The Rest of the NL Central
by DanUpBaby on Dec 21, 2010 5:04 AM EST
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PrintI've got to say, even given the expected slowdown of the Hot Stove League in mid-December I'm still impressed with how long the Brewers' surprise return to the NL Central's upper-middle-echelon is sticking with me. It was just a gutsy move; if the Cardinals' problem this offseason had been an excess of guts I might not appreciate it so much—it might just be another reminder that the Cardinals, say, traded their top seven prospects for Matt Kemp and Dan Uggla—but boldness had been in short supply in the NL Central at the time.
Their quick-change leads me to wonder just how much would have to be done in Pittsburgh or Chicago to give the NL Central a four-way race for 88 wins. The Brewers clearly had a terrible rotation and have clearly done something about it; here are the easily definable holes in Pittsburgh and Chicago:
1. An even worse rotation. The Brewers' rotation was mostly terrible relative to their offense; the effect was to make an afternoon at Miller Park a five hour affair, punctuated by Trevor Hoffman-related crying. The Pirates' rotation is bad in an absolute, final way. Ross Ohlendorf had a rotation-low ERA of 4.07 and was rewarded with a 1-11 record. Paul Maholm and Zach Duke were awful reminders of the last youth movement.
Maholm will continue to have the most thankless job in baseball, although he might be traded; Ohlendorf will eat innings if he's healthy; Scott Olsen and Brad Lincoln figure as options in the rotation as well. James McDonald, stolen from the Dodgers for Octavio Dotel, is the most promising figure of the group after a nice stint in Pittsburgh.
There are very few rotations that can't be fixed by Zack Greinke and Shaun Marcum. This might be one of them.
2. Question marks everywhere. The Brewers know what they'll get out of most of their players; the Pirates know what they'll get out of Andrew McCutchen, maybe. Neil Walker had a great year playing a position he'd never really played before after sitting stagnant in the minors for years; he was their second-best player in 2010. Jose Tabata hit .299/.346/.400 as a 21-year-old, but the Pirates seem coy about whether or not he's actually 21. Ryan Doumit probably isn't a real catcher anymore, and no longer hits enough to do anything else. Pedro Alvarez was never a third baseman but is still standing there.
3. A prospect dead-zone. It seems like I'm always saying things like that—that Pittsburgh has robbed some team, or that Neal Huntington is finally getting things done right for the Pirates. But it seems like the team's bounty never comes through. They got Lastings Milledge for Nyjer Morgan in a high-upside play, and then Milledge proceeded to show off some stunningly bad defensive numbers and replacement level hitting; he's gone. They traded Freddy Sanchez for a top prospect rather than the usual set of average ones, and now Tim Alderson is getting crushed in AAA. They grabbed Andy LaRoche in the Jason Bay deal but it turned out the wrist problem really was permanent.
Combined with some subpar drafting it's seemed, at times, like the Pirates develop not only 70-win teams but 70-win players out of some kind of unconscious reflex. Pedro Alvarez was a welcome change of pace last year, and even prototypical undeveloped-Pirates-prospect Neil Walker contributed something in 2010, so things might be changing.
The Brewers' top prospects, even when slightly used, have a solid reputation for actually developing; taking on a package of Pirates prospects now would be like buying a Korean car in 1994. It might work out, but nobody's going to let up on you until it does.
The simplest way to get the Pirates to 85 wins involves trading Andrew McCutchen to an 82-win team and renaming them the Pirates. Aside from that it involves waiting—for Alvarez to develop, for the questions around their other interesting youngsters to clear up. Drafting Bryce Harper would have been nice, but they weren't bad enough yet.
2011 is a weird, transitional year for the Cubs—the major non-Soriano contracts come off the books afterward, but until then the team necessarily looks a lot like it did while winning 75 games in 2010. Even their major offseason move—signing Carlos Pena—leaves them with a first baseman who's basically in the same position Derrek Lee would be.
In 2011 they're paying a lot for a lot of players who look basically average—Aramis Ramirez, Kosuke Fukudome, and Alfonso Soriano are all earning at least $10 million. Carlos Zambrano and Ryan Dempster aren't cheap but are valuable. Geovany Soto is an excellent player, and Starlin Castro is a really exciting one.
Finding a useful second baseman (I mean, who goes into a season starting Ryan Theriot?) and hoping for a really stirring offensive return to form from Soriano, Ramirez, or Carlos Pena is the easiest way for the Cubs to look competitive in 2011, but they have a harder job than the Brewers simply because so much money is tied up in players who aren't that bad but aren't very good, either.
How's this for not having any easily upgraded spots: The Cubs, last year, had exactly six starts from a pitcher whose ERA+ didn't end up over 100—three each from Thomas Diamond and Jeff Samardzija. The Brewers, who finished two games better last season, had 120. The Cubs had one regular finish with an OPS+ over 70—their offensive crisis was caused by a lot of terrible play from bench guys and replacements. The Brewers, who scored 65 more runs than the Cubs, had three such regulars.
The Cubs are average and expensive; after 2011 they'll get a little less average and much less expensive, whereupon it seems like they'll need to open the wallet for some kind of offensive focal point. Like Alfonso Soriano, only not him.
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i'm willing to bet they don't draft them anyway
and even if they do they wouldn’t get them signed. Its just a disgraceful organization. Between 2004 and 2008 they could’ve drafted Buster Posey, Jason Heyward, Tim Lincecum, and Jered Weaver. Instead they have Alvarez, Moskos, Lincoln and Walker. McCutcheon is the only pick that you might do the same if you had a redraft, but even then they could take Colby Rasmus instead.
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 21, 2010 8:50 AM EST up reply actions
in fact Mccutcheon is probably the only #1 pick they've nailed since Barry Bonds in 1985
…excluding the ’09 and ’10 drafts.
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 21, 2010 8:54 AM EST up reply actions
Looking at their list of first round draft picks on baseball reference...
is pretty sad. I think they have like 10 war from 20 picks or so and all of that was from Kris Benson and his wife.
Sign Carl Pavano!!!
by guayzimi on Dec 21, 2010 9:07 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yea i just got done looking at the same thing...
it is just ….yeah, I think “sad” is the right word.
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 21, 2010 9:12 AM EST up reply actions
i never realized this, but the Cubs have a similar reign of drafting futility.
You’d also have to go back to 1985 with Rafael Palmeiro to find a draft where they made the right choice. Kerry Wood? taken ahead of Roy Halladay. Mark Prior? taken ahead of Mark Texeira.
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 21, 2010 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
the really bad ones are the Bullingtons or Greg Reynolds types
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by The MooCow on Dec 21, 2010 9:58 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
While the Pirates are stunningly bad at drafting. . .
you could do this same type of analysis for almost every team in MLB with the possible exception of the Rays.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Dec 21, 2010 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
The Cardinals have gotten crazy good value from their picks...
Morris, Drew, Duncan, Looper, Kennedy, Barton, Rasmus, Perez, Wallace, Caple…
Sign Carl Pavano!!!
Pointless Fact of the Day:
The Cardinals and Brewers currently have the most 1st round picks (13 total) who have attained 10+ career WAR
Ted Simmons
JD Drew
Andy Van Slyke
Brian Jordan
Gary Templeton
Terry Kennedy
Adam Kennedy
Matt Morris
Leon Durham
Todd Worrell
Luis Alicea
Joe Magrane
Dmitri Young
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 21, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
adam f kennedy?
barf.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 21, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
looking at the list...
Drew traded for Wainwright
Templeton traded for Ozzie
A. Kennedy traded for Edmonds
Durham traded for Sutter
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 21, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
yeah we raped all of those trades.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 21, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
wat
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by hazel on Dec 21, 2010 9:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Alvarez was pretty widely considered the top bat in that draft
You can’t whack them for taking him when all the hype was saying he was the best guy. Now the other three… uh, yeah.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Dec 21, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
i can whack them if i want to whack them
don’t tell me who i can’t whack!
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1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
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damnit i miss LOST
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i'm rewatching it
half-way through season 2, it’s even better the second time
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
The '06 draft is especially bad IMO
Just on the pitcher side of it, they could have had Morrow, Kershaw, Lincecum, Scherzer, or Drabek but have Lincoln. Even Jeffress, Kennedy or Bard are probably more valuable.
I wouldn’t write Alvarez off though.
Not afraid to nitpick
Hard to imagine...
a team could be that short-sighted. $15M for Strasburg? The average fan spends $40 at Pirates game. You get an extra 2,500 when he pitches (not assuming he would become the sensation that he became). That’s $100K per start. The Pirates have so much slack to take up with their attendance, it’s easy to make that money back.
Sign Carl Pavano!!!
The Nats probably made half their money back this season
After opening day, their previous high in attendance was 33k on a Friday, they did 40k on a Tuesday for Strasburg’s debut, another 40k, then 31k on a Wednesday (against the Royals after 13k and 21k), 39k and 34k before he hit the DL.
Average attendance for the year without Strasburg was 20.5k, Strasburg starts averaged 38.8, you’re talking 18k per game. That’s 90k extra fans=$3.6M at 40 bucks a person (30 for tickets, say 10 for concessions/parking). That’s in 5 home starts and being conservative.
The Nats also averaged 2.5k more fans in 19 non-Strasburg starts while he was on the team (I mean what could have been a better marketing push than the Nats on Sportscenter every night) and fell back to the previous 20k level after he went down—-basically every fan they showed had a $140-$250 Strasburg jersey—-ratings boosted to all hell, a lot of money was coming to the Nats as a direct result of Strasburg. They probably made up at least $7M back on that investment in just the first 2 months of his career
Not afraid to nitpick
It would be interesting...
to see what the bidding would be for the very best draftees if there were no draft.
Sign Carl Pavano!!!
1996 draft, free agency loophole for some Boras guys
Matt White got 10.1M as a FA. Darin Erstad got 1.575M the previous year as the #1 pick.
I’d think if he had been a free agent, Strasburg gets at least 50.
Not afraid to nitpick
jeez, those prospects in trades....
laroche…alderson…moss…hansen…milledge….
bad luck, or shitty scouting??
The Giants pulled a fast one with Alderson...
Everyone thought that was an overpay for Sanchez, but they obviously knew what they were doing.
Sign Carl Pavano!!!
I don’t buy this line of thinking at all. Teams simply don’t know how prospects will progress. Anthony Reyes, Dan Haren, Adam Wainwright were all valued much differently as prospects than they turned out.
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by hazel on Dec 21, 2010 9:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Alderson had lost some of his lustre the year he was traded
I think, as with Bumgarner, he’d lost some velocity too, and struggled moving into the high minors. I still liked him to bounce back (shows what I know), and I suppose you can’t excatly say they “pulled a fast one”, because Alderson’s numbers were public knowledge, but they certainly sold him at a point when his value was higher than it is now.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 22, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
Why not be like the Pirates?
Strictly business speaking of course. They are the perennial losers of the NL, but the owners still pull in wades of cash (29.4 mil 2007-09). If you want to make good money in baseball as an owner buy low (draft players at the top) sell high (sit on them for a few years and trade them for more prospects and cash).
Terrible way to actually play the game, but great way to get multimillion dollar sums of money. Here’s looking for number 19.
Good-bye Boog, we hardly knew thee.
Keep those socks high, the stache long, and the shoulder wet.
It's almost as if
the Pirates are following the Comcast business model, isn’t it? Crappy customer service, but raking in the millions.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Dec 21, 2010 9:19 AM EST up reply actions
Because they don't try to do this
They just epic fail over and over again
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by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 21, 2010 9:19 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think they're run by morons.
Huntington at least seems to have a reasonable plan in place but it’s clearly not worked thus far for him either. The Bonifay/Littlefield days were dark, dark ones for the Pirates.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Dec 21, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
with a haircut like that...
what would you expect?
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John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
OT: Happy First Day of Winter!
Since this is also the shortest day of the year, it can only go up from here. We are now heading toward warm, sunny days with nice breezes and umbrella drinks……and also, baseball.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 21, 2010 10:09 AM EST reply actions
Do y'all actually have summer over there?
Or do you just have periods of where the rain is warmer than others?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 21, 2010 10:22 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I see,
So it’s like baseball over the internet? At least you’re getting it, cuz life without baseball is a life half lived.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 21, 2010 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
what are you doint to your fingers that you can't feel them anymore?
wait, don’t answer that, forget i asked
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you mean "road construction"?
would've.
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I'm sure this has been mentioned before, but...
The Reds continue to acquire former Cardinals.
Brian Barton, who hit 19 homers and stole 18 bases in the Atlantic League this year, signed with the Reds, according to Eddy (on Twitter).
Per mlbtraderumors.com
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
19 hrs in ACL?
I always liked dred. I thought his problem was being a corner OF with only gap power. He’s a physically strong guy so I wondered if he might develop power later. I wish him well.
I can't remember, what was the word on whether he was capable of handling CF?
He seemed like he could be an average player. I don’t understand why guys like that just get thrown away so often while so many other terrible players keep finding a major league job.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I liked him too.
I always just called him “Red Rocket”, for obvious reasons.
I hope he does well, I was a bit bummed when I found out he wasn’t going to be around anymore.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
what dreams may come
I’ve long been an advocate for devolving, but I know it will never happen.
In my dreamt for world, MLB is back to 24 teams, a singularly beautiful and tight 12/12 and 4/4/4 [AL/NL, Divs].
Among the many reasons it will never happen is that it would require an across the board pick-up in interest (media coverage, cities getting behind it, fan base loyalty) for the second layer of 24, namely the 24 AAA teams. I believe this COULD happen, but it won’t be allowed to.
I argue that this change would NOT continue to relegate baseball to a minor sport status; it would instead wonderfully tighten (and make more competitive) the big show end of it, and would actually increase fandom, by expanding the accessibility and interest to 48 communities around America instead of 30.
It would tap into the one real advantage baseball has over the other major sports; namely the solid structure (and interest) that already exists within its minor leagues, or developmental, system.
“College” baseball, tho’ a not insignificant part of the track for the Johhny Jones’s of this world to eventually play major league baseball, let’s face it, cannot ever compete with the entrenched and venally unjust ‘feeder’ network that college football and basketball provide THEIR big shows. Instead, I argue, baseball should play to its strength, that is, instead of getting the rah,rah sis boom bah support of university “nations,” which I more than concede works damn well for foosball (sic) and basketball, get cities and communities involved.
Not because ‘community’ support will trump or exceed the couch potato behemoth of “I wear Michigan State clothes because I have convinced myself that I actually went to school there,” but because the community-based support structure is already THERE, and can be augmented by devolving the big show and spreading the enthusiasm across the nation.
by the Tewk on Dec 21, 2010 11:37 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
You want to increase media coverage of AAA teams?
Televise more games, and not just blocky, buffering MiLB TV, either. Larry MacPhail knew the only way his longtime losing Brooklyn Dodgers teams would compete for fans with the New York Giants and New York Yankees was to get his team on TV. You wanna bet the Memphis Redbirds would attract viewers? Louisville? Portland? Here locally, you televise Omaha Storm Chasers games in their new ballpark, you’re going to get people curious about the team.
The reason minor-league games don’t attract viewers is because people don’t know them. Televise more games and the fans would start following their local heroes and their local teams.
Repeal The LaRussa Tax.
by Michael_68_1999 on Dec 21, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure I agree.
The Cards had a good viewership for their games at around 100,000 per game. This is spread out throughout the Midwest and that is relatively a small number. Television only exists for advertising, and televising a AAA game will hit on at best a few thousand, which would flop as revenue for the station carrying the game.
I agree that there is dillution in the game, but television is not the answer.
Good-bye Boog, we hardly knew thee.
Keep those socks high, the stache long, and the shoulder wet.
Or just make MiLB TV better
Saves the hassle of acquiring TV contracts and opens things up to prospect watchers worldwide.
I think the problem is with "local heroes"
The minor league game is inherently fluid in terms of personnel. Thus, it is hard to get behind an individual player because you know he will be gone next year (if he’s any good). Now sometimes teams will stock up on some AAAA players for their AAA team (I remember Razor Shines playing for a number of years for the Indianapolis Indians) but that just doesn’t seem to happen anymore. Thus, you have to create loyalty to the team and to the stadium. Victory Field in Indianapolis (can you tell where I’m from?) is a beautiful stadium and reasonably priced, Slugger Field in Louisville is too. From all accounts the Memphis Stadium is great too. You have to give people a reason to come out to the park, and TV isn’t the answer. Putting a decent product on the field and providing a nice experience for folks who would otherwise have to drive several hours to see a major league game, that’s what the minor leagues need to do well.
isn't college football and basketball the same way?
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Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Yes, to a degree
Except that people who got their degree from a place have a natural connection to it. Thus, a trip to a game for an alum becomes a nostalgia trip as well as a trip to a game. Now, for kids who grew up going to the park with their parents, returning can also become nostalgic, but to attract new fans, you have to do more. You have to sell the experience. I would venture to guess that many, if not most, of the folks who subscribe to MiLB.tv are not watching their local minor league teams, but rather, watching their favorite MLB team’s minor-league affiliates.
Thus, the positioning of minor league affiliates matters too. I am sorely disappointed that the Cardinals AAA club is in the PCL. When it was in Louisville, my dad and I would often go to a weekday game in Indy to see up and coming Cardinals. Watching up and coming Pirates does virtually nothing for me, though it was clear when I saw him that McCutheon was by far the best player on the field.
Except minor league baseball doesn't have a built in fanbase and atmosphere
Division I (or whatever they’re called now) schools have a built in fanbase and atmosphere thanks to their student body. Therefore, to a certain extent attending and following one of these teams is less getting hyped about specific players, but instead the overall experience, namely tailgating, school-specific traditions, and reliving student days through sports.
it would be cool though
if FSN would do like what all the local stations have done with the HD conversion and add channels within their channel. E.g. PBS (Channel 9) has their regular channel at 9.1, I forget what at 9.2, children’s programming on 9.3, and DIY on 9.4.
If the Cards could get FSN to broadcast the Cards on the .1 channel, the Redbirds on .2, and Springfield and Palm Beach on subsequent frequencies in ALL those cities (STL, Memphis, Springfield, and Palm Beach) you could get a lot more loyal of a fanbase.
or just confuse the hell out of everyone.
Your team is incompetently run by baseball equivalent of the captain from the Caine Mutiny -DiscoJer
that would be awesome
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by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 21, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
addendum re the Pirates
Pittsburgh is NOT one of the six franchises I would kick out. Yes it probably needs new ownership, but the long tradition of that city keeps it safe from being relegated (if I was the plug puller that is.)
I change my mind occasionally, but currently my choices for teams beings booted to AAA status are: both Florida clubs [rains too much and the citizenry interest is provenly weak], Washington [only politics made that happen in the first place], Oakland [crappy facility and too close to Frisco, Colorado [brrrr], and I used to say Minnesota [the acoustically awful, sponge-turf Baggy] but now it’s a tougher call. Toronto ? [screw the Canucks], the vagabond Angels?
The Cubbies? Just kidding, but THERE really IS a dream.
Not that I'm signing up for any of this...
or that it’s realistic in any way, but why not do it like the euro soccer leagues? Nothing generates excitement up and down the standings like relegation.
Sign Carl Pavano!!!
Good call
but rather than relegate teams to AAA status you’d need to have two 15-team leagues, each full of major league caliber teams, with promotion and demotion up and down. The real problem is financial instability it will create; american sports have not developed and evolved in the same way as european and british sports, which all use the ‘single league’ structure. By having an inferior league of teams, who were formerly equal to those in the superior league you are going to alienate fans.
However i agree that this would improve the competition of the teams, especially those at the bottom, e.g. Royals, Nats etc. The new problem this creates is that alot of smaller market teams rely on the build-win-destroy-rebuild method. This is how the marlins were sucessful in the late 90’s early 00’s. By having a single league structure you eliminate this method. Teams cannot afford to be relegated so cling to ‘proven players’ in an attempt to stay affloat, but don’t actually get any better. Ironically, it is the richer and better teams in the EPL who can afford to play younger players because there is no threat of relegation. Whereas the weaker teams know that a single loss (or in MLB terms a bad week) can lead to relegation, so they stick with what they know works.
that's interesting...
maybe you could relegate to a division/league that only gets one playoff birth. For example, have two 15 team leagues with three playoff spots and three relegation spots in the top league, and one playoff spot and three promotion spots in the bottom league… and then have significant interleague play.
The thing that seems to keep euro soccer fans involved are the endless cups and tournaments that just about everyone gets to participate in. I’ve tried to keep them all straight, but I really can’t. The only equivalent we have in major U.S. sports is the NIT college basketball tournament, which takes all the teams that fail to qualify for the NCAA tournament.
Sign Carl Pavano!!!
Braggin' Rights game tomorrow
should be a barn-burner.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 21, 2010 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
Well a lot of those cups are analogous to the NIT
People don’t really care that much about them. A lot of teams will play their second stringers.
by AWolfAtTheDoor on Dec 21, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
Even the lower level teams that have nothing else to play for?
I could see like Memphis, Round Rock, Reno, Springfield, Albaquerque, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, and the Cubs doing a double elimination. Teams from the larger cities would have to avoid embarassment, the smaller cities would get to take down a the bigger guys.
Sign Carl Pavano!!!
I meant the bigger teams wouldn't really care.
I don’t really see why the Cubs would go all out for a newly created cup and risk injury to their players. It wouldn’t be anything more than glorified spring training.
by AWolfAtTheDoor on Dec 21, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I don't know how you create buy in...
probably shame and money are the only two options.
Sign Carl Pavano!!!
Removing major league franchises from theses areas would create massive havok
What would you do with the stadiums? The unemployment? The fans? The infrastructure built around these teams?
Considering how crappy MLB is at sorting out most things, this is one headache they can do without.
my dreamworld already has rampant unemployment.
the only people with jobs are beautiful women, who work for free to please my every whim. the infrastructure is made of gold. and i run a bed & breakfast with the devil. my salary is $80,000
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
by SheckieZx on Dec 21, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
My Dream World Involves.....
… a serious romantic tryst with Alison Brie!!!!!
http://collider.com/alison-brie-rich-sommer-kathryn-joosten-funny-or-die-sketch/32483/
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G-O-H-O-H-O-9-O!
i like your style moocow.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Pittsburgh's stadium helps, too.
PNC is beautiful and the Pirates have a rich tradition. There’s no eliminating that franchise, in my opinion.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
wat
I argue that this change would NOT continue to relegate baseball to a minor sport status; it would instead wonderfully tighten (and make more competitive) the big show end of it, and would actually increase fandom, by expanding the accessibility and interest to 48 communities around America instead of 30.
i’m not sure how baseball is a minor sport already. Care to explain that line of thinking? Also, it would decrease fandom over the long haul when the six teams’ cities whose teams just got dropped would no longer watch baseball… i think you are underestimating how many people would drop it just because they don’t have a team to watch on a consistent basis
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 21, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
If the Cardinals were no longer in baseball or were in some AAA league, I wouldn't watch. I am Cardinal fan or nobody.
I would watch probably like I watch NFL (having no favorite NFL team) I watch when there is a game with historical implications or the SuperBowl.
I plead guilty to not being clear, I guess
but to you, and others, your argument overlooks the obvious result that the six no longer MLB franchises will then become among the premier (population draw) AAA teams.
If you suspect that Oakland areas fans, for instance, will no longer support the A’s because, hey, they’re just a triple A squad now, you may be right. But to me it is more likely they will retain that community’s interest, certainly more than the Sacramento or Fresno teams do NOW. (assuming both those towns are currently AAA places.
Mainly, the crux of my argument (for MLB devolving down to 24 teams) is the dilution of talent and franchise management that creeping expansion brought along, and which seems unrecoverable.
Under the plan I briefly sketch, AAA and AA teams will be much stronger AND more stable. Think of it, 150 players currently on MLB rosters would now be in AAA, and 300 players now in AAA will be in AA. Better talent on the field should produce better, more lingering support.
i don't understand why AA and AAA need to be more stable to be honest
The interest that the AAA would draw would be minimal compared to the amount of interest it would lose for those six franchises IMO
and like for Memphis Redbirds, most of the community is as interested as they will ever be considering they are what they are – a AAA squad – people in Memphis are already pretty interested in it and I think making AAA more prominent might enhance their interest, but not many people outside of who currently watch Redbirds games would suddenly become fans – that’s my opinion
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 21, 2010 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
But to me it is more likely they will retain that community’s interest, certainly more than the Sacramento or Fresno teams do NOW. (assuming both those towns are currently AAA places.
Oakland’s AAA affiliate play in Sacramento, ironically enough.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 22, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
is jaime on MLB network
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
by prophetjohn on Dec 21, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
don't know if anyone mentioned this but goold has announced the winners for the 2011 cardinals slogan:
“2011 Cardinals: Character welcome. Characters aren’t.”
“2011 Cardinals: Official sponsors of Tums & Ben Gay.”
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
I like the first one.
I think that was a VEBer..right?
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
i dont think so
I posted a link to the fb page yesterday and said that I had voted for that one.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
the winner's name is melanie mccullough
show yourself melanie!
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
no....i just meant that if melanie mccullough is a VEBer, now would be a good time to say so.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
ok, just checking
c’mon out Melanie! We’re proud of you!
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Somebody said the other day that they were the one that posted it.
Somebody I never guessed was a girl, that much I remember.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 21, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
i can think of a couple.
but i looked back through the comments, and no one here claimed “character welcome. characters not.”
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
yeah, i think the confusion is my post
where I said it was the one I voted for.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Way to go, scoot.
Just throw the whole world into confusion, why don’t ya?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 21, 2010 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
2011 Cardinals: play like a cardinal . . , or else.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Dec 21, 2010 2:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
2011 Cardinals: is it 2012 yet?
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
2011 Cardinals: Wake Me Up When Tony's Gone
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
more ex-cardinal news
@AdamRubinESPN: Super Joe McEwing has been named manager for Triple-A Charlotte in the White Sox organization
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Joe McEwing for manager in 2012!
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
that's cool
the white sox are my casual-joe-sports-fan AL team
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
fixed
“the white sox are my casual-joe-mcewing-sports-fan AL team”
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 21, 2010 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
twitter won't let me type the letter "r" WTF
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
nice to see twitter has joined the fight against tht "r" word
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Does SBN have a problem with 'a'?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
no, my fingers have a problem with 'e'
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
this sounds like the end credits of Sesame Street or the Electric Company
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 21, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
How long has this been happening?
I don’t know, my calendar has no sevens.
I was reading about how countless species are being pushed toward extinction by man's destruction of forests. Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - Calvin, Scientific Progress Goes "Boink", Watterson
a big fat HEH
to the cubs and pirates
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 21, 2010 1:14 PM EST reply actions
I wonder if the Cubs will be good again while we are still good.
I mean in the next 5 or 10 years or whatever. In 2007 we were bad and they were good, and in 2008 we were good but clearly not good enough to catch them (did they really win 97 games that year? It seems so long ago. Heh.) I can’t remember how the flow of the season went in 2003, but that seems the only year in recent times where both the Cubs and the Cardinals could have won the division. I believe we finished third that year but were only three games back or something like that.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
the Cubs will probably be an annoyance again as early as 2012
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 21, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
if they win the world series that year, then we'll know the prophecy is real
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 21, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
A black hole will form underneath the Arch
and Bartman will emerge in his terrifying new form to devour us all and take revenge for a century of suffering.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I was thinking more the 2012 prophecy
which would be more than a little less frightening than that scenario. a demonic Bartman would frighten anyone.
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 21, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
naw he'd just be a fumbling, bumbling mess.
he’d grab you to try to devour you, and then drop you safely to the ground.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
He'd still be wearing goofy headphones.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
it'll be the end of the world as we know it
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 21, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
I'm safe! The links are not!
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Over his last 321 at bats
Aaron miles is worth -1.4 WAR
That us all
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
RIP Boog. FIRE TLR NOW
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 21, 2010 2:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Is not us
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
RIP Boog. FIRE TLR NOW
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 21, 2010 2:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
What? You is not us?
We knows that.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 21, 2010 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
so a starting offense of aaron miles' would go something like 30-132
depending on the rotation. let’s do it!
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 21, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
your signature makes me wonder who will be the next person to be run off the team by larussa
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 21, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
that's the obvious choice
it’s like there’s a time bomb in the org, need to disarm it asap, or throw it off the boat in ’11
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 21, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
err
meant to say after ’11, but during might work
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 21, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
unlike BR
Rasmus isn’t a completely replaceable player.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
plus
he wont be distracted by BRyans impersonations.
You fit into me
like a hook into an eye
a fish hook
an open eye
yeah. Like this guy...
“Ryan plays a lot of times by the seat of his pants,” the coach said. “He’s very gifted and makes the most of all the plays. He makes some great plays, but he does a lot of low-percentage things at times. He could make a cup of coffee nervous.”
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Yeah it's not like Tony has criticized Rasmus to the media before
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 21, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
the trick is to read the article to find out who ryan and "the coach" are
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Mo still has to trade him
Ryan is easy for Mo to get rid of if he is trying to appease Tony. Rasmus is not.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Yes, but that Ryan is The Riot.
Not the Boogster.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 21, 2010 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
Shit
Sorry, running very short on sleep here.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 21, 2010 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
Neither is Ryan
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 21, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
ryan is completely replacible
15 different NL shortstops put up a higher WAR than Ryan. He is replicable. In fact, there is a good chance that Theriot will have a higher WAR this year than Ryan did last year.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
A 2 WAR projection is not replaceable, if it was it would be 0 WAR
Hence the fact that we replaced it with a 1 WAR player. I’m sick of having this fucking argument.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 21, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
"Replaceble"
in my argument is a piece that is easily replaced. Not some “theoretical minor league player” that WAR dictates .
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
whould the word expendable be better?
played well below average and shouldn’t be hard to get someone else who could match his productivity.
Brendan Ryan is these things. Colby Rasmus is not.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Ryan has not played well below average
His career WAR per 600 is 2.5 (average of B-R and FanGraphs). That’s an above average player. Not expendable.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 21, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
i'll step in
he won’t get 600 plate appearances so it’s stupid use it… stick to 2.0 WAR which he gets with the plate appearances he’s given
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 21, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
That has nothing to do with his talent
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 21, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
fair enough
I came up with 1.5 WAR with Theriot FWIW (i’m still with you though in that Ryan would be better)
i just think the outcry > what it should be
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 21, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
I'd rather have Ryan
He was one of my Favorite Cardinals. I just don’t see how trading a 1 WAR 29 year old Short Stop means that up next is trading away the 24 year old 3.8 WAR centerfielder.
One is pretty easy to get someone capable of putting up the same numbers. The other one could set your franchise back for several seasons to come.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
A team still gets the benefit of whoever gets the other PAs, right?
So Brendan Ryan would still be above average even on a PA basis. Or am I misunderstanding something?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Ryan has at least as good of a chance of putting up a greater WAR value than Theriot this year.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Better actually
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 21, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
IMO..Ryan has ceiling, Theriot has nothing but floor.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
there it is.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
he does
but they are pretty interchangeable.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
No, Theriot is projected at a win worse than Ryan
Therefore they are not interchangeable.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 21, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
because projections are always right. . .
obviously
by SouthsideCardsFan on Dec 21, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
I never said that
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 21, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
There is a difference between perfect and best guess
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 21, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
which is bullshit
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 21, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
i mean, to a spreadsheet it is
everyone loves the idea of telling millionaire ballplayers to man-up and deal with it, but TLR trusts his methods, and boog ain’t one of ’em
time will tell
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
no it won't
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 21, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
true dat
time is a concept, and is therefore incapable of verbalizing anything
by SouthsideCardsFan on Dec 21, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
Morris Day
o-e-o-e-o
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
I guess
I’m sure there are still people who think trading away A-Rey for a bucket of balls was a bad move.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
because it was
stick with me here. . . that trade opened up the Indians as one of Mo’s trading partners, which eventually led to Mo giving up YP and the destroyer for Derosa and then Mo goes and pulls off that crazy 3 way to get Westy instead of just giving up one of our own prospects.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
good point.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
i wonder how much ryan factors into the pitching staff's WAR.
what stats make up a pitcher’s WAR? i actually have no idea.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
I'm predicting worse numbers from Waino, Carp, and Garcia
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 21, 2010 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
FIP
so no, it should not affect their WAR – it might affect their ERA though
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 21, 2010 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
is it ONLY FIP?
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
in other words, if we played 2010 all over again and everything was exactly the same except ryan theriot played ss instead of brendan ryan
the pitching staff’s total WAR would not be affected?
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
depends on if you are using B-R or fangraphs (i like FG personally)
Our version of pitcher WAR is essentially based on FIP, meaning that a pitcher is judged by his walk rate, strikeout rate, and home run rate (and, of course, the quantity of innings that he throws and the role in which he throws them). Sean takes a pitcher’s actual runs allowed, then makes adjustments to try to compensate for the defense behind him.
from here….
he mentions how they measure different things – FG on how they pitched – B-R more on results – so theoretically, in FGs system they would not be affect but they might for B-R I think (idk much about B-R’s though so if I’m wrong someone object)
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 21, 2010 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
Theoretically it shouldn't effect B-R WAR either
Because B-R WAR has a blanket adjustment for team defense. Of course it probably will effect B-R WAR for everyone because the team defense doesn’t play exactly the same for each pitcher.
Either way, the Ryan trade doesn’t effect are pitching, it effects our defense. (Actually it might effect the pitching because some guys might be less inclined to pitch to contact, but that shouldn’t be a huge effect).
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 22, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
Yes
the only thing that would be affected is our SS would have a lower WAR from fielding.
If (say) Felipe Lopez loses WAR because of his shitty glove being out there in place of Ryan, AND Carpenter loses WAR because of Lopez sucking, we’re kinda being penalised on the WAR front twice, which doesn’t make sense.
Defense-independent pitching stats.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 22, 2010 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
I thought WAR didn't use FIP
war is so confusing
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 21, 2010 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
you could use FIP for WAR
or tRA. And I’m sure ERA could be use. Fan Graphs uses FIP for pitcher’s WAR.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
for some reason I thought that they used ERA
or maybe I’m thinking of baseball reference and ERA+
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 21, 2010 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
War, HUH!
what is it good for?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 21, 2010 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
instead of WAR there are other systems
players have 2 categories in this alternate system.
are you a bad hitter? you get a -
good hitter? +
elite hitter? ++
same with defense.
so you have player A and player B. player A could be viewed as a good hitter, although that is very debatable. he’s also a good, but no where near great, defensive player. essentially he’s at best an average guy, a total of +. player B is a – hitter, (again, it could be argued this would be an unfair classification, but lets roll with it), and a + defender. he only gets ++ for the fielding.
by this logic, you have moved one player that could have became a better hitter, for a player that is demonstrably worse at defense and only marginally better at offense. WAR gives you a better guesstimate.
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 21, 2010 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
hmm it's easy enough to envision a scenario where the answer to that is
albert pujols
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
follow me on teh twitterz @greenfieldt
Damn
All discussion under a comment illuminating Aaron miles’s suckitude
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
RIP Boog. FIRE TLR NOW
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 21, 2010 6:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Has anyone heard anything
on AP contract updates..I haven’t in weeks
This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers
Well, at least they're talking...
G-O-H-O-H-O-9-O!
G-O-H-O-H-O-9-O!
by The MooCow on Dec 21, 2010 3:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
so it's at the Project Mayhem stage
interesting
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 21, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
Mozeliak and Pujols's camp met at the winter meetings
and agreed not to negotiate in the media. Since it was a gentleman’s agreement, I assume the negotiations are going gentlemanly since no details have yet leaked.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
i knew of that but
at least then we were getting “the sides met today”
This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers
Beltre...
His market seems to have cooled off…
Angels are offering 5yr/70
That looks decent.
He wants 6 and says the years are more important. If we gave him 6/75k could we afford him? Berkman is gone next year and possibly Carp….
You fit into me
like a hook into an eye
a fish hook
an open eye
Dude. There's this Pujols guy
we have to pay for.
OPEN DEWALLET!!!
berk is 8 mill and carp is what 15 mill sign Beltre and use the rest for APu.
You fit into me
like a hook into an eye
a fish hook
an open eye
whoopsie...
that would be a great deal …hell Mark Mulder might be worth a 6/75k that way we could finally have a lefty throw batting practice.
You fit into me
like a hook into an eye
a fish hook
an open eye
if he complains loud enough
is it possible the force of his vibrational disruption can cause the ball to fly forth from the left side of the mound and over the plate?
You fit into me
like a hook into an eye
a fish hook
an open eye
Then he'd make a comment about how he really wanted to come back..
…and then Buster Olney or some one would run with it, like a toast-pitcher still wanting to pitch is a massive scoop. I mean, hell, I could do that.
This just in… Tom Seaver wants to be a major league pitcher again! Dayton Moore of the Kansas City Royals seems interested, according to reports.
I can do it too!!! Hurray!!!
VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009
by redbirdnation8206 on Dec 21, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
Beltre is a pretty good player
But that deal you’re mentioning is a huge buy-high. He’s an ace fielder but I doubt that holds up for long given that he’s 32 in April. He’s an above average hitter but I don’t think his bat really plays at first if he needs to be moved. The guy doesn’t really walk so if he loses speed/bat speed/whatever is BA/OBP will drop like a stone.
One or two seasons for Berkman money? Hell yeah! But the time to do that was last season when he was coming off a rather poor offensive season in that Death Valley stadium in Seattle.
VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009
by redbirdnation8206 on Dec 21, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
quick veb
i need help. i have a final in 40 minutes, no motivation because i graduated on sunday, and a strong urge to peace my last college class ever with some kind of flair.
suggestions?
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
follow me on teh twitterz @greenfieldt
Stylin' and Profilin'
you can never go wrong being a “limousine ridin’, jet flyin’, kiss stealin’, wheelin’ and dealin’ son of a gun. WOOOOH!”
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
don't know if it was mentioned but Keith Law
On espn rumors ranks the top 15 free agents left on the market. He ranks Penny #7 and says “most feel once the smoke clears he will be back in St.Louis”……
Um ok…I’m not sure what ‘when the smoke clears’ is suppose to mean but I haven’t really heard anything thus far about Penny coming back. Not to mention, if he is one of the top 3-4 starters remaining on the market why would he want to come back here without a gaurenteed spot in the rotation? Maybe Law knows something we don’t (is it possible someone may be dumb enough to take Lohse off our hands?)….
I would love to see Penny back, he would give us some much needed depth to the rotation, I just don’t see why he would want to come back or how the Cards could afford him.
by mick311 on Dec 21, 2010 3:32 PM EST via mobile reply actions
assuming we do bring back Penny,
Even though Lohse is making so much money, wouldn’t Penny have to be the 5th starter? I would much rather see Penny in the rotation. I guess it doesn’t really matter, im sure there will be a need for another starter at some point.
That’s actually why I would prefer to see the organization just go ahead and prep KMac as a starter going into next year. If he starts in the bullpen then fine, let him pitch long relief. We have plenty of RH depth in the pen anyway with Motte, Boggs, Salas and hopefully Sanchez this year. If we don’t resign Penny, or bring someone else in, I think Kmac offers a whole lot more than our other options (Lynn, Walters, Ottavino)
by mick311 on Dec 21, 2010 3:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
the whole TLR 'if he starts the year in the bullpen, he stays in the bullpen'
Bullshit is ridiculous. I think it really would have helped us a lot last year if we just went with Kyle when Penny originally went down, instead of wasting away all those starts of Hawksworth, Suppan, Walters and Ottavino.
by mick311 on Dec 21, 2010 3:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
helped a lot for several years
hard to understand how a tight fisted organization keeps him from even trying to start
i guess that dd guy doesn’t know shit about pitching
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
Boggs has more starter upside than KMac IMO
I know KMac has four competent pitches and Boggs only has three (and hasn’t really used a curve or his show-me changeup recently), but Boggs has been a starter more recently and has shown the stamina and approach to do the job, at least up to AAA.
Also, KMac’s crappy 91mph fastball out of the pen becomes an exceedingly crappy 88mph fastball as a starter. I think he could do it if he’s canny enough, and if anyone can teach him to start it’s Dave Duncan, but I’d really rather go with the guy with the fastball and the more recent experience, if we have to, and that’s Boggs.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 22, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
will his new fiance attend games?
if so, i would love to see him back in a Cards uniform.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
by SheckieZx on Dec 21, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
that's rediculous...
I wouldn’t give that guy another cent unless he loses some weight. It’s fine being hugely fat if you perform, but he strained a back muscle and missed four months.
Sign Carl Pavano!!!
by guayzimi on Dec 21, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I have a feeling something else was going on with him to be out so long
don’t know what though.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 21, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
It must have been something serious...
because he practically cost us the season.
Sign Carl Pavano!!!
yeah, it was some b.s. that's for sure
hope no one signs him
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 21, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
i think it was more than a strained muscle
i thought he completely detached a muscle in his back — but it was worth it given that he did it on an epic grand slam — I want him back
Just win
I'd take him back if he gets a really low contract
because A. that’s all the Cards can afford, and B. he owes the team
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 21, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
yea if we gave him 1.5-2 million with some incentives
I would take him back. I would assume they would have to gaurentee him a spot in the rotation if the contract was mostly incentive based,
by mick311 on Dec 21, 2010 4:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
that's why it's bizarre that people are assuming that he'll be back
I’ll be surprised unless he agrees to be in the bullpen
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 21, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
— but it was worth it given that he did it on an epic grand slam —
I was there! It was awesome! He hit it off of Piñeiro, the guy he essentially replaced in the rotation. Pretty wild. Then he suddenly asked off the mound mid-warmups, and Brad Penny was never seen again. Roy Hobbs stuff there.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Dec 21, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
Penny can suck it.
He’s a non-working loaf.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
he's morbidly obese
why would you want him back
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 21, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
uhhm....I don't?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
you missed the sarcasm?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 21, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
yes
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
it's that Penny is hardly overweight at all
he does have a big head though. being slightly overweight isn’t going to increase your healing time any.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 21, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
Apparently,
Mr. Law means the smoke from his bong.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Dec 21, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
Penny is the new closer?
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
that'd be nice
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 22, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
Brendan Ryan is bad at hitting...
therefore it’s good that he’s gone.
Discuss among yourselves…
Sign Carl Pavano!!!
Your grandmother is hotter than rui's mom.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
yeah she is quite a striking woman.
much to lovely for me.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
more like
Brendan Ryan is probably just an average player, therefore we shouldn’t make a big deal when we replace him with another average player
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 21, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
Except Theriot isn't an average player
He’s a 1 WAR player or worse.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 21, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
how so?
3.1 WAR in ’08 and 2.3 WAR in ’09…. he had fluky bad defense last year with -4.3 – the rest of his career he has been positive value which is a HUGE reason why he was 0.0
even adding in 0.0, the last three years, he’s on average a 1.8 WAR player
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 21, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
for instance
if he had +3.0 fielding which was his average over the last three years, he’s 0.8 WAR and it’s completely different or if he was worth nothing defensively, he’d be a 0.5 WAR player (which is more likely)
given his history in batting, i’m assuming it’s not implausible for him to have a decent year, hitting-wise which would put him between 1.5 and 2.0 WAR
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by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 21, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
That's according to FanGraphs
B-R tells a much different story.
Take an average of B-R and FanGraphs for the past three years, and weight them 5-4-3. Tell me what you get.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 21, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
well the difference between the to
is Fangraphs using UZR and B-R uses TZR to calculate dWAR. I don’t think averaging and weighing them is going to best thing here. Best to pick which ever defensive metric you think is the must accurate and stick to that.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
i think if i tried
i could find somewhere were VEP says UZR is more accurate too so he’s just kind of using whatever stats he needs to use to his advantage when he needs them – at least in this case
granted nearly every stat says Boog is better by doing this he will be able to more exaggerate the difference between Boog and Theriot
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 21, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm sure UZR is more accurate
But it’s not that much better than total zone, especially post 2005, which uses batted ball data. The reason you average the two out is because they use different data sources.
I’ve always said you should look at all available defensive metrics (look at DRS as well, which as Boog as like a +30 run defender).
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 22, 2010 1:53 AM EST up reply actions
i really think you need to put in the effort
to find video clips for your sig
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Berkman is good at hitting
therefore it’s bad that he’s here
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 21, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
Your attempts at trolling are very accurate
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 21, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
So the Pads are now officially my second favorite team.....
I wish Boog would have gone there.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
that would have been nice
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 21, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
if that woulda happened I would have seriously had to contemplate moving to San Diego
since I’m already a Chargers fan
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 21, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
are you serious?
you’d move to San Diego because Boog went there…. what happens when he left the team in a few years
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 21, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
moreso because it's warmer and I already like the Chargers
Chicago winters always make me contemplate moving away, this is nothing new
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 21, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
ahaha i thought you said writers at first
i was dumbstruck – fair enough then i guess, it wouldn’t be too hard
aren’t you a bears fan though?
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 21, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, I'm a Bears fan but I've lived in the midwest my whole life
I do yearn for other environs and climes at times
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 21, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
today's bus ride overlooking an incredibly dark, bleak lake michigan
at 8AM had me contemplating things too
you can hardly even see the buildings it's so cloudy
at least it’s warmed up a bit, I guess
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 21, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
I'd recommend moving there
for beaches and Carne asada fries.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
both are very good points
that looks yummy
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 21, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
pretty girls in bikinis...
all year round.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
lived there for a couple of years
I know i’m exaggerating. Mid to low nines summers and rarely dips into the 30s during the winter.
that being said short skirts are to be found year around when out and about.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
sounds good
or even pretty girls who don’t have to wear winter jackets half the year would work
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 21, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
/foodorgasm
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 21, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
I can not begin to explain
how great those things are at 3am.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
this picture reminds me of college.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Me too, actually
I LOVE YOU CHANOS
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
you'd be living in sunny socal
and not crappy chicago?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Chicago is great overall
but December through Feb is horrid. only NYC has more stuff to do, while not having to own a car. except Chicago is much more affordable, and it’s close to my family.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 21, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
eh, i'm not the city type
I’d hate living in either. Give me land, lots of land under starry skys above.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
yeah
i’m ready for summer.
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Chicago in the summer is where it's at
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 21, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
yeah biking along the lake at north ave makes one feel like they are in cali
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
I disagree.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
that's fine
but you probably don’t bike or go to a lot of concerts, etc
I’m sure the summers in Montana are crazy! or whatever
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 21, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
Not crazy...beautiful, serene, quiet, etc.
If you bike, there are roads through it all. Concerts, not so much, but that’s not my thing. Rivers, parks trails. And you have them pretty much all to yourself. I wouldn’t give it up for all the tea in mysterui’s mom’s pantry.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I need music and culture
I can take excursions into the wild for photography… I lived in a rural area for 21 years then converted to city life. I like it a lot, but then again I’m VERY interested in music, and to a lesser extent art (not that that stuff isn’t everywhere, but I like what I like I guess). I would get bored as hell living in the country again.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 21, 2010 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
and I would go fucking insane
if I ever had to live in a city again.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
if you are claustrophobic or overtly misanthropic I could see why
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 21, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
As a general rule, I don't like people.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
not a bad rule
my parents were both nature lovers/outdoorsmen. so I can see the appeal… and people can be lame of course. the good thing about the city is that it’s easy to blend in and not be bothered. in smaller areas everyone is all up in each other’s business all the time. the only people I have to deal with are my roommates and one of them has the opposite work schedule from me, and we have a big apartment, so that’s a plus.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 21, 2010 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
I did get to go fishing a lot when I was younger
and camping, so I kinda miss it, but it’s also a big pain in the ass doing that stuff imo. especially fishing, that habit is worse than being a musician! tangled lines, buying equipment, fishing licenses, boats, etc. I appreciate it, but not for me heh.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 21, 2010 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
I fly fish, a lot.
Build my own rods, tie my own flies, hell, I restored my drift boat last year. It costs me a tank of gas what most people have to pay thousands of dollars, or only get to dream of doing, and I go every weekend.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
nice
it helps a lot when you are able to self sustain your hobby. my dad would waste literally thousands of dollars and fishing, he’d have so many lures that he could never use them all. but that was probably his psychosis.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 21, 2010 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
No, it's an addiction.
Once you build a rod, you obviously need more. I have about 10 rods now, and will probably build a few more this spring.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I love fishing
that is the one thing i really miss about living in the country.
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
I like hiking and fishing
I went fishing so much though I’m pretty burned out on it, even years later. plus I’d need a boat to make it as fun as it was, we would go find a lot of remote areas on the different lakes in Missouri and part of the Mississippi further north by the QC and the Palisades.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 21, 2010 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
my favorite fishing memories are when
i went to minnesota for a week and fished from dawn ’til late in the night every day. We ate fish every meal and everyone brought back a limit of crappie. I also brought back a limit of pike. Best fishing week of my life
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
I think maybe you guys were talking about the U.P. the other day
have family there, and that used to be our annual family summer vacation. Had the best time fishing there. Still go every few years, and the fishing is still great.
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 21, 2010 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
wasn't me talking about it
this was in MN, Little Boy lake
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
lakes suck,
rivers are where it’s at.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
if you are fly fishing maybe
it’s also important to draw a difference between lakes and reservoirs too. Missouri only has reservoirs. Lakes > Reservoirs
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
yes, and they're also better for my ADD.
Sitting on a boat in the middle of a lake bores the hell out of me.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I really like fishing "pothole" lakes
it’s kinda like fishing in a whirlpool. The fish just swim around the outside of the “pothole” so the environment is constantly moving and changing like a river without battling a current like a river
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
sounds like I would like fly fishing more than regular fishing
since I like hiking too
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 21, 2010 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not a flyfisherman though
never tried it
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 21, 2010 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
my dad was so ridiculous that he would build his own lures and rods
and then go buy the name brand stuff too. same thing with bullets. dude was nuts.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 21, 2010 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
My goal now,
is to get Rob to get me a ball signed by RFL, saying Ryan Fucking Ludwick.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
OT: To Jon Heyman re: Morris's situational clutch stats. ATTN: joker24
AaronBaronHill (Aaron Hill)
@SI_JonHeyman Jack Morris when ahead .245/.304/.377, when behind .248/.322/.392, when tied .249/.319/.373, when w/n 1R .244/.313/.371 (cont)
AaronBaronHill (Aaron Hill)
@SI_JonHeyman (cont.) when w/n 4R .247/.314/.379. Sure doesn’t seem like he “pitched to the scoreboard” to me, whatever that means anyway.
SI_JonHeyman (Jon Heyman)
@AaronBaronHill interesting. what are blyleven’s like stats? i do think you know what "pitch to the scoreboard’’ means, tho.
AaronBaronHill (Aaron Hill)
@SI_JonHeyman Blyleven’s: ahead .250/.299/.370, behind .245/.299/.368, tied .246/.304/.362, w/n 1R .248/.304/.363, w/n 4R .250/.304/.368
AaronBaronHill (Aaron Hill)
@SI_JonHeyman I know what you mean by “pitch to the scoreboard” but I don’t think the idea that a particular pitcher is alone in doing so…
AaronBaronHill (Aaron Hill)
@SI_JonHeyman …therefore merits HOF. If Morris did do it, I’m sure he wasn’t the only one, but his stats don’t really say he did.
AaronBaronHill (Aaron Hill)
@SI_JonHeyman and comparing Morris and Blyleven, Bly kept batters off base more often and to less bases than morris did in nearly every situ
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
This is a ludicrous...
debate… of course over thousands of innings these numbers are going to converge around career averages.
Sign Carl Pavano!!!
that's the point
“pitch to the scoreboard” is not a real thing
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Writers give Morris credit for "pitching to the score"
…and use that as a claim to wave away his less-than-HOF worthy numbers (esp. the 3.90 ERA which, while not a very good stat, would be higher than, I think, anyone in the HOF as a starter…). So, showing there is no evidence that he did any such thing pricks a huge hole in Morris’s “case,” which I put in quotes b/c I don’t think he should be in.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Dec 21, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
good stuff
but i think you’re wasting your time
by YesWeOquendo on Dec 21, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
latest
SI_JonHeyman (Jon Heyman)
@AaronBaronHill ok, fair enough. thanks for the insight. happy holidays.
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
heh
he spelled hollidays wrong. (and its merry christmas, jackass)
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on Dec 21, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
nice
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
now that's the spirit!
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Pretty much no matter what this sucks
jcrasnick (Jerry Crasnick)
There’s also an unidentified NL Central team that’s trying to make a late run at Webb.
2 minutes ago from web
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Cubs want him
but it might not suck if he comes back, and sucks
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 21, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
Hopefully not the Cardinals
Webb is a great guy to watch pitch… Seriously is that sinker real?… but I think he’s toast. Two major shoulder injuries in two years is bad, bad news. Mulder-like, though I hate to say such an evil thing.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Dec 21, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
Only thing that makes me think there is hope
Is that Webb absolutely does not need velocity to be a big leaguer, he was an absolute ace sitting 86-92, even if he’s 84-88 he can be useful.
Not afraid to nitpick
that's true i suppose
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
absolutely..
I bet Lohshie waves that NTC if he’s sitting in the bullpen. Cards eat half the money owed.
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 21, 2010 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
someone else will get him though
leaking payroll and whatnot
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 21, 2010 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
and we care because....
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 21, 2010 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
someone is probably going to sign him very soon
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 21, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
my prediction...
Texas offers more money guaranteed. Nats get him. Nats suffer through agonizing season of “when will Wang, Webb, and/or Strasburg return?” reminding us all of the Mulder/Carpenter/Clement ordeal of a few years ago.
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 21, 2010 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
wait someone's going to give webb yearS?
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
umm..no
nor do I think he wants “years”
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Dec 21, 2010 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
wait nvm, i tooootaly misread that
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
holy converging avatars.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Hope he's not wild as a Card.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 21, 2010 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
My guess is that the Pirates are the mystery suitor...
Could be the Stros, I guess, but definitely not the Cards given what Webb is apparently asking for on a one year deal.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 21, 2010 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
New rotator cuff?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
RIP Boog. FIRE TLR NOW
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 21, 2010 6:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Just watched all the Drunk History episodes on FOD
I couldn’t not watch.
Boog would have made that play.
mmmmmmmm....
My mom and brother are making cookies -They have just finished oatmeal scotchies and it’s was a (to use fang’s wording) a food orgasm
Next up
snowballs
chocolate peanut butter
gooey butter
I love the hollidays….
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
that reminds me
I should call and try to coerce my mom into making my childhood favorite, twists (kind of a french pastry with cinnamon and sugar), as well as my new favorite, chocolate chip cookies with walnuts. it is my birthday after all, on friday
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 21, 2010 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
Oatmeal Scotchies
They used to have those at Boston Market many years ago. My brother and I would get those every time we went there. Of course, they discontinued them.
I will have to try making them again. The last time my brother put in twice the amount of butterscotch and forgot the walnuts; not as good.
I was reading about how countless species are being pushed toward extinction by man's destruction of forests. Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - Calvin, Scientific Progress Goes "Boink", Watterson
In the aftermath of the brendan Ryan(may he RIP) trade
There was discussion over at futureredbirds.com. Most were against the trade. One guy was against Boog. The following is a quote:
“And why bring Aaron Miles miles into this. Seeing how Miles manged to hit .281, you could also make a case that he deserved more of Ryan’s abs. However, I think Miles really only avaraged less than 10 abs a week.”
Wowza
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
RIP Boog. FIRE TLR NOW
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 21, 2010 6:38 PM EST via mobile reply actions
now that is
somethin else
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 21, 2010 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
Az banned him right??
RIGHT????
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
he was talking about capturing aaron miles, right?
not sure where he took him for miles, but it must have been like subduing a badger. Miles really doesn’t deserve to be brought into whatever that guy is talking about.
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 21, 2010 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
he doesn't have Ryan's abs though
poor guy
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 21, 2010 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
this is the most boring week ever
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
MERRY CHRISTMAS!
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 21, 2010 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
porn.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 21, 2010 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
yep!
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 21, 2010 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
i'm sick of porn, i need the real thing dammit
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
i'll get you to a street corner pronto.
on me.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 21, 2010 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
welllll then.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 21, 2010 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
i'd prefer something with a lot less miles on the odometer
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
i'll make it happen.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 21, 2010 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
what have i always told you son?
don’t let your mouth write checks your brain can’t cash
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
i can get it done.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 21, 2010 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
you said above that you couldn't get yourself laid,
and yet you expect us believe that you can get it done for gdm?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Dec 21, 2010 11:36 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
i know this is the miracle season
but there are just some miracles that even God won’t do
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Make a sign:
All I want for Christmas is to get laid – must be free though
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 21, 2010 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
this is not true!
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 21, 2010 11:48 PM EST up reply actions
2 years and you are in college
is this the makings of gdm 2.0?
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 21, 2010 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
no.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 22, 2010 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
or you could invite him to truman to bunk
i’m sure there are girls there that are… willing – also a positive – not much miles
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 21, 2010 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
haha truman girls
i’ll put it this way: you’ll see more 10’s at mizzou in 10 minutes then you will at truman all year.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 21, 2010 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
ok well then sneak into some college gdm
and see what happens – just for a weekend…
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 21, 2010 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
these things - i try not to let them affect my college process
BUT IT’S HARD MAN… it’s really hard… then again i conviently want to be a journalism major
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 21, 2010 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
i know your thing is hard
but make the right decision for you. not it.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 21, 2010 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
that's crude
but i am interested in journalism – Mizzou has one of the best journalism schools
so it looks like it fits academically-wise
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 21, 2010 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
arizona FTW
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
a truman 10 is a 10
but there’s maybe 3-4 on campus.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 21, 2010 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
oh god.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 21, 2010 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
says the guy who took the cowards way out
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
that is mesmerizing
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 21, 2010 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
I got Michael Jackson, so no.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
what has been seen, cannot be unseen.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I got dancing elmo in space
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Jesus was probably born in April
christians hijacked the month of December from the pagans in order to celebrate the holiday then
or something like that
anyway, his birth is not what’s boring me, the fact nothing is going on this week & no one wants to hang out with me is what’s boring
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
lately
boring is something i can truly appreciate.
In two weeks i’ll be desperate for “boring”
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
im sure if i ever get back to work i'll long for the days like this
when i could stay up all night & had nothing to do
nawww, i’m sick of this crap. i want to be like responsible, contribute to society & most importantly leave the basement & date actual attractive women. i’ve been bored for 3 years now, i’m sick of it. it’s time for change, it’s time for action, it’s time to start living & make something of myself.
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
be careful
once you start that shit, it’s hard to quit
like smoking
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
go start volunteering for charities
at least you’ll be forced to get up at a certain time and probably go to bed earlier
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 22, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
I'd hang out with ya
but yer 5 hours away.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 22, 2010 1:31 AM EST up reply actions
They started using December because they didn't know when his actual B'day was.
December was the month of some really big Roman pagan festivals the 25th in particular. So, in order to blend in, they chose that day. Whether it was a way of easing their ideas into roman culture or as just a way to not stick out at a time when they were being persecuted is a matter of some discussion.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 22, 2010 1:35 AM EST up reply actions
back in school i remember doing some research about this
and according to the stars & seasons his birth was pinned down to early spring or late summer. i think. maybe. there’s the chance i dreamed this & totally made the entire thing up. but it sounds right so i’m running with it. what’s the worst that could happen? it’s not like i’m running with scissors.
again
i think you’re right about the blending in thing too. but someone with a collage degree will have to weigh in to verify it
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Yeah, fitting in was sort of key for them in the early going.
Except for those Christians who got “martyr” on their likely future job questionnaires in the standardized tests. They were all like, “Sweet, if any Roman authorities ask me what holiday I’m celebrating I’m so gonna tell them. I’ll move up the ladder in no time.”
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
LOL
It had some serious growth opportunity.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 22, 2010 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
"Man oh man, I might even make the Litany of Saints if I play my cards right!"
Talk about job security!
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
The definition of a positive attitude!
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 22, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
there is now
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 21, 2010 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
get laid tonight?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 21, 2010 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
more importantly
was it a girl or a guy this time?
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 21, 2010 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
i cant remember the last 30 seconds
maybe i did, maybe i didn’t.
fairly certain i didn’t though. Although certainly had an oppurtunity
fairy certain isn't 100%
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
by gdm426 on Dec 21, 2010 11:25 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
This is the best Freudian slip of all time......
OF ALL TIME!!!!!!
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Dec 21, 2010 11:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
if you could keep drinking indefinitely but you knew it would cause irreparable brain damage
which memory would you like to keep
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 21, 2010 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
hypothetically
you lose all your memories but one
which one is it?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 21, 2010 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
you are pretty good at being coherent
when you are drunk out of your mind – but you do have a lot of experience so there’s that
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 21, 2010 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
you owe me an insult?
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 21, 2010 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
ok...
you are no longer coherent and i spoke too son…
i have no fucking idea what you are talking about
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 21, 2010 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
keep drinking mate & it will all make sense tomorrow
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
it just hit me
you mispelled my name on purpose because i mispelled your name on your purpose
i did it before and you didn’t acknowledge that i purposefully mispelled your name and you are repaying the favor
wow what a weird thing to suddenly remember when you are drunk
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 21, 2010 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
is this cheating?
December 20, 2010, St. Louis, Missouri, USA – William O. DeWitt, III, President of the St. Louis Cardinals, has volunteered to serve as Honorary Chairman of the St. Louis Society for the Blind & Visually Impaired 100th Anniversary Celebrations in 2011, a year-long commitment to publicly support the Society’s not-for-profit service mission.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
wait
not a euphemism
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 21, 2010 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
i see humor is on strike on veb
i’ll come back later
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 21, 2010 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
i don't get it either
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 21, 2010 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
it's an umpire joke.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
oo ok
i get it now
sorry Y2S i can’t pick up stuff like that
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 21, 2010 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
So, I was looking more closely at the Cardinals ZiPS projections
Pujols’ top three comps are Bagwell, Frank Thomas, and Albert Belle. Which made me say “wow!… Wait a minute, fuck.”
Colby’s comps are Dale Murphy, Jim Edmonds, and Lloyd Moseby. I admit I had to look Moseby up. He had two superb years, a few average to very good years, and not much else. Kind of a short career. The kind that would disappoint me a little if Rasmus ended up more similar to him than the other two.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
i keep telling you people there are no comps for Albert, at least none that are alive
and we’re all hoping Colby turns into Hollywood
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
sounds about right
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 21, 2010 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
i mean really, who in the last 40 years has done what Albert's doing & on pace to do?
maybe Aaron, but he’s just as consistent as Albert is
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
i would be ecstatic. i don't know that colby's defense will ever rival edmonds'. but i think he could be a very similar hitter.
damnit i miss jimmy ballgame. i loved to watch him play.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Yeah, that would kick ass
Dale Murphy would be pretty awesome too, as far as I’m concerned. It’s way too early in Colby’s career for the thought of him turning into Dale Murphy to be disappointing.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I've always wondered how much stock to put in those things
should we look at it as little more than a novelty, or should we treat it a little more seriously
Yeah, I don't treat it that seriously
I was still a little surprised. I was hoping for fewer flame-out types.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
who knew his hip was also made of cork?
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Life lesson:
don’t let an alpha dog lab watch wolf shows on nat geo. Little SOB won’t quit howling.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
83 lbs.
1yr 4 mos
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
i watched black swan
i’m glad mysterui mentioned natalie portman masturbating last night because it led me to watch what ended up being a pretty good movie. independent of natalie portman masturbating
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
i'm going to watch it later
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Did you get the download to work?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
i thought that was a secret?
i haven’t tried it yet, i’m tired & not going to be able to stay up & watch it
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
i missed the natalie portman masturbating thing.
I’ll have to check it out
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
i'll have to check that out when I get home.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
So.... anyone want to hear a dumb opinion?
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-nl-central-rotations/
Fire John Mozeliak
plus Chapman is going to be a reliever if i remember correctly
he didn’t tell us anything new either… if one of the Brewers, Cards, or Reds gets injured, then then the Reds are in the best shape – nothing we didn’t know already
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 22, 2010 1:39 AM EST up reply actions
It's kind of like the writer started with a conclusion
then decided on an argument after the fact to support the conclusion. “Well, the spreading-the-risk thing favors the Reds, so I’ll go with that.” He does have a point, but in the end he hasn’t really made a strong case for any of them.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
What's wrong with that?
I thought that was a reasonably good article for fangraphs. basically, in terms of injury possibilities, the Reds have the highest floor but the lowest ceiling of those three teams. I think I’d agree with that.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 22, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
Did anyone else see Tron?
I haven’t seen the original, so I don’t know what that’s all about, but this was honestly the worst thing I’ve ever seen. I was asleep for about half of the movie.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
You'd be hard pressed to even find a copy of the original.
They’re selling on Amazon for almost 200 dollars. It was really good at the time. I’m sure it would look cheesy now though.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 22, 2010 2:27 AM EST up reply actions
i remember watching the original & being totally bored out of my mind
so i really have no desire to see this one. the bad reviews are’t helping either
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
I rather liked the first one.
I’ll probably watch the second one too. Just not going to pay ten bucks to see it.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 22, 2010 3:43 AM EST up reply actions
i don't remember anything about it except i didn't get it at all
and that’s why i was bored. it made no sense to me at all
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
And nobody cared if it did make sense.
The guy got sucked INTO a computer, how cool is that? I think the funniest part was the little “Bit” thing that followed him around everywhere he went.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 22, 2010 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
I had a copy of it on video disc.
For those that don’t know, they were like the LP version of dvds 30 years ago.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 22, 2010 3:42 AM EST up reply actions
you mean laser disc? weren't those like 15 years ago not 30?
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
No, it was like an actual record.
They weren’t very durable and got banged up easily. I’m not sure how the internal process worked, but I think it had a needle, or series of needles, like a record player.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 22, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
They weren't on the market for long.
Just a few years in the very late 70s-early 80’s.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 22, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
They were like a huge thin cartridge with a disc inside, right?
There was VHS and betamax, laser disc and video disc, then there was VCD (which I think was just a regular CD with video on it, not nearly as good quality as DVD obviously) and now that DVD seems totally normal to me they’re trying to get people to go to BlueRay already (and some people failed to get anyone to go to HDDVD). The world can only support so many home video formats.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Yep.
Like an LP. Had a hard plastic sleeve for the disc and you slid the whole thing into the machine, it latched on to the tabs of the frame that held the disc, and spit the sleeve back out. They were two sided. It was interesting, but like Betamax, never really got a good foothold in the market.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 22, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
I remember some early CD-Roms that the Macs at my gradeschool used
that were just like that. You’d slide the entire plastic box thingie into the drive, and I guess it’d have some way to read the disc through that. I suppose they were afraid about the durability of CDs early on and thought that was necessary? I am pretty sure this existed but not many people remember it.
Anyway, my sister likes to pick up fun and weird stuff at thrift stores and Goodwill, and she recently bought a movie on video disc. It might have actually been the original Tron, would be be way too awesome. I’ll have to ask her.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Wow, you really can find anything on Google...
This is what I was remembering. It did exist!
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
That's pretty neat.
I don’t remember ever seeing one of those before. Of course, the only person that I knew that had his own computer had a Commodore64. We only had Trash80s in our schools. Hell, I can remember when the CC I went to got a comp lab that had IBM286s and that was about as cutting edge as you could expect to get.
What your sister picked up sounds like what I’m talking about.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 22, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
Fellow darkager!
I taught myself programming on a TI 99/4a. My first ‘real’ computer was an Osborne with a 2-1/2" screen, 2 120K floppy drives, CP/M, WordStar and some spreadsheet I never used because I also had dBase II to play with.
The Mang does more than Milton can
To justify God's ways to man.
HFS.
Now you are getting back there. Don’t know as that I ever saw an Osborne, would love to though. It’s mind-boggling that a cell phone can do a million times more stuff than those first comps could. My friend that had the Commodore had the first computer game I ever played. Castle Wolfenstein, I think. It was Castle something anyway. We had the first Atari that anybody had seen. Actually one of my brothers had the first console that all it had was Pong. No cartridges, just Pong. The first computer I ever saw was the giant-assed HP mainframe that my dad’s company had. Had storage disks that were about the size of a manhole cover.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 22, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
My dad worked with old computers like that long ago
We still have have a “pizza box” disk drive the size of a small fridge in their basement. I think he said the computer system at the bank he worked at long ago has a total capacity of about a gig. Which was pretty big back then.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
One of my uncles was a mainframe programmer.
He had worked on them since the sixties. It about killed him to have to go back to school and learn to work on PCs.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 22, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
Here's the osborne
Basically the size and weight of a small sewing machine. I see from this link that the monitor was actually 5", but it didn’t seem that big.
The Mang does more than Milton can
To justify God's ways to man.
Wow. a suitcase computer.
Who the hell needs a laptop when you could have that thing?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 22, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
And 64K ram FTW
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 22, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I'm convinced now that it's a video disc.
I think I learned to type on some really old, leftover Commodore 64s at the gradeschool mentioned above. It was a very pixely version of Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing. The computers were all dark, unlike the boring grey-beige that dominated computer design for years afterwards. The keys on the keyboard made a very pronounced noise. Keyboards aren’t like that anymore. I’m not sure I prefer it (I’d probably get really tired of it after a while) but it was satisfying for a little while.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Actually, scratch that about the Commodore 64
I think they were some other kind of Commodore computer. A later one maybe.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I'd kill to play with a VIC-20, just for the hell of it.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 22, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
This was the first computer at our school
A commodore PET. We got to use them in the first and second grade, playing word and math games. I remember hangman, and some kind of stick figure, Western quick draw math game.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
That is awesome.
I remember the the quick-draw game. Did anybody go to a computer camp?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 22, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
Funny thing was
that a lot of the kids that went to the one I went to didn’t necessarily fall into that category. There were a couple of bona fide nerds, but most were just partial nerds if anything.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 22, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
is that a cassette?
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 22, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
yes.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
nice
I have a drum machine that if you want to save the custom presets, you have to back up the information to tape. I don’t think I’ll be doing that lol
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 22, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, my first machine
the TI 99/4a, saved data/code off acoustically to a tape cassette.
The Mang does more than Milton can
To justify God's ways to man.
I had the same one.....the radio shack soccer game was fun too.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Yep,
There was also a baseball one that had a detachable control with a wire for the pitching controls, so the batter couldn’t see what pitch was coming. My oldest nephew and I used to just wear out whole packs of batteries playing that.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 22, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
This reminds me of my first External CDRW
I spent like $400 when I was 15. I was the only person I knew with a burnable cd player. Making money modding playstations and burning games
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 22, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
I bet you were Mr. Popular then.lol
Musta made some decent money for a 15 yr old.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 22, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
I had to hide back being a nerd in the 90's
You were a dork if you knew how to work a computer. Girls were afraid to be even seen with a computer
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 22, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Actually the best looking girls in my school
were also the smartest girls and definitely didn’t mind computers. Of course, they also dated the football players. Guess everything has a down side.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 22, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
I don't remember it being cool
Being computer literate. I wasn’t picked on because I knew computers but the ladies were not flocking towards my programming skills either.
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 22, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
Well they hid it well
Like 96-00 I don’t remember any computer skilled girls
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 22, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
Not to get all stereotyping
But I remember suddenly discovering things like ICQ and AOL Instant Messenger, and girls were all over that. I think they got it quicker than the guys did. Certain facets of the internet may have attracted girls to computers.
I could be remembering wrong though.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Boys tend to do that during their teens
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I don't remember it being cool on it's own in the beginning either.
But as long as you didn’t act like a complete spaz, they didn’t run away either. And if you were able to help them with any problems, you got bonus points. Those came in the way of them talking to you like a normal person. And if they talked to you then the other girls would talk to you.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 22, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
I was pretty big goober in high school
The DragonBall Z T-shirts probably didn’t help. I didn’t get game until I got my first Tux
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 22, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
I feel a TWSS coming on here.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 22, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
I have the special edition dvd of the original
didn’t cost very much
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 22, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
You must've gotten yours before all the Legacy hype.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 22, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, I've had it for like 5 years or so
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 22, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
I heard Tron was like Avatar
Only any good if seen in Imax 3D
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 22, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
Well I saw it in 3D, and I was baked as hell
I was expecting a lot of cool laser battles and a good daft punk soundtrack. Instead, the movie was 90% dialogue (predictable terrible) and the music was so loud it was enjoyable. Oh and Olivia Wilde didn’t do anything in the way of being sexy.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 22, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
Here's something cool:
A guy is working on fusing Guitar Hero with Commodore 64.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
That is a guy that thinks outside the box.
It takes a true computer nerd….er, I mean genius to think of doing that.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 22, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
i actually had guitar hero before it was guitar hero
You had to actually strum strings. It was based around Aerosmith
It was called for Quest for Fame
Wish I could find more info about it. The game was old like 1995
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 22, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
I think I remember seeing that back then.
Never played it though.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 22, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
It was awesome
Better than Guitar hero because you had to actually strum the strings.
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 22, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
No wonder it didn't take off.
You actually had to do something besides push buttons. F’in kids these days.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 22, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
Here's a bunch of cool old merchandise/junk from the first Tron movie.
Link.
I wonder if Bruce Boxleitner ever wonders why he was never a superstar. I mean, there was Babylon 5, but and that episode of NCIS I saw recently, but Tron was supposed to be a big deal.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
You're forgetting about The Scarecrow and Mrs. King.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 22, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
Oh yeah, I heard about that recently
Never seen it though
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Never really saw it either.
Just remembered he was in it. I think he was also in the first two Gambler movies
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 22, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
my sister used to watch that show every week
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
me too
mostly ‘cause I thought Mrs. King (can’t remember the actress) was cute, but it was an OK show.
by ArkansasTravs on Dec 22, 2010 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
I can still remember a portion of the opening credits for that show
Chasing after a guy with a red fez who hops into a bus full of Shriners. I remember the premise of the show, but not much else.
I was reading about how countless species are being pushed toward extinction by man's destruction of forests. Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - Calvin, Scientific Progress Goes "Boink", Watterson
Bruce will always have B5!
One of my favorite shows ever. The graphics haven’t aged well (although they were revolutionary for their time), but the story stands with the best. It was a model for novelized tv.
Haven't aged well?
LASER SAW.
I’m done. All you need.
Yeah, especially in the early episodes, the special effects quickly became badly dated
However, watching the whole show on DVD (I never saw it on TV, I only watched it in the last year or two) they did get way better by the end.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Watched True Grit last night
I liked it, didn’t love it; westerns usually aren’t my thing, but the Coen brothers did a good job of it. Some pretty big plot fluctuations from the John Wayne version, though
Rooster Cogburn definitely needed subtitles
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
was it starring aaron miles lol
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
the John Wayne Version
had big plot fluctuations from the book
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
so do you just have an endless collection of bootleg movies or what
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
I hear RIAA is looking for Riu.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Way to get my name wrong, you fartdemon
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
it's for your own protection.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Dec 22, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No I actually went to the theater to watch True Grit
Black Swan just happened to have an impossibly-early DVDRip leak, which is why I watched that in the hotel room
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I wonder
will there be an RB post today?
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 22, 2010 1:32 PM EST reply actions
It's never if, it's when.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
oh yeah, he's not VEP
lol
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 22, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Do you think we'll get that Penny analysis before ST?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 22, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
definitely
any day now
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
Oh Noes
Apparently it being near Christmas means people can start talking about Jesus. Christ! This conversation is getting awkward. Playing it cool, Play it cool. Oh Noes they are talking how inspiring Sarah Palin is
No offense
But this is how I felt at work when people couldn’t stop talking about how awesome Barack Obama is.
This, too, shall pass Flim. Stay strong!
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Except that's illegal to do at work.
And here it’s just a gentleman’s agreement to not discuss such things. Not that there have been many gentlemen around these parts lately.
by spants on Dec 22, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go masturbate to Natalie Portman.
by spants on Dec 22, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Things me and Spants have in common
- Cardinal fan
- Masturbate to Natalie Portman
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 22, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
Third thing?
Have recently seen an ultrasound machine. (?)
Brendan Ryan is no longer a St. Louis Cardinal.
Fortunately, Aaron Miles isn't either.
no you misunderstand
it’s natalie portman that was masturbating
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
i thought jackie from that 70s show was going down on her.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
It never is.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 22, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
Illegal, really?
I just thought he was venting about the people around him
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
It was actually customers bringing it up
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 22, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
That was always tricky.
“You’re allowed to issue them the exact same greeting they issued you,” kind of thing.
ahaha
Apparently it being near Christmas means people can start talking about Jesus. Christ!
hr, professional lurker.
by hr on Dec 22, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
If that was intentional
than that’s awesome
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I am full of great lines
I like my women like I like my coffee. Columbian and trapped in a bag
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 22, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
SMBC rocks
The highlight of my baseball career came in Philadelphia's Connie Mack Stadium when I saw a fan fall out of the upper deck. When he got up and walked away, the crowd booed.
--Bob Uecker
So, Wainwright's extrapolated career stats per ZiPS are pretty awesome
Career ERA of 3.05, 133 ERA+, 2292 Ks to 720 BB.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I also noticed something weird on Fangraphs just now
Albert’s Fans projection and his Bill James projection are almost identical, except the Fans projected wOBA is 15 points lower. That seems weird to me, like it shouldn’t be that different given the components… but maybe that has to do with estimated run environments? Can someone tell me if that makes sense?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
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