Ryan Theriot: Know Your Scrappy Middle Infielder
by DanUpBaby on Dec 2, 2010 3:16 AM EST
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PrintJeff Gordon's latest article is about focus, and how last year the Cardinals didn't have it. I'm willing to support that premise, aesthetically, at least; they just didn't always (or even often) look like a team bound for great things. I'm less willing to buy the idea that the Cardinals just upgraded their focus by acquiring Ryan Theriot, a "gritty La Russa-type player in the David Eckstein mold."
For one thing, Ryan Theriot wouldn't even fit in the David Eckstein mold. David Eckstein—how long has "Just Enough" been a nickname on his Baseball-Reference page?—is listed at 5'8", while T.H. Eriot (i'm officially moving to cut Theriot's name up in as many different ways as possible, so that The Riot doesn't seem so out of place) is listed at 5'11". Suggesting he fits into David Eckstein's mold is—is it racist? Is gritty a race? Anyway, for another, Ryan Theriot doesn't play like an especially focused guy.
First, I guess, we need to decide what focus means. Gordon offers running into extra outs of the basepaths, yielding extra outs in the field, and giving away at-bats against bad pitchers. That works for me. (To his credit, Gordon doesn't suggest that Theriot competes or plays any harder than our unfocused incumbent; that's the one sportswriter trope that I really can't deal with.)
Ryan Theriot is not an especially focused baserunner. After a fine 2007, in which he stole 28 bases in 32 attempts, he's stolen 63 and been caught 32 times. He does fit into the Eckstein mold here, for what it's worth—Eckstein was also a poor base-stealer, taking 28 and being caught 15 times in his Cardinals career. Over the last three years Theriot's been basically flat as a baserunner, according to Sean Smith's numbers.
In his two years as Cardinals starter Brendan Ryan's been almost identical—fractionally better—as a base-stealer, and flat himself as a baserunner. This is going to be a recurring theme: Ryan and The Rio T might act differently, but regardless of their apparent focus they're doing the same thing.
This next one is my favorite. Last year Brendan Ryan "made uncharacteristic throwing errors", leading to a career-low fielding percentage of .974 at shortstop. Last year Ryan Theriot was uncharacteristically bad at hitting, and played just 28 games at shortstop. His fielding percentage was .974. (His career fielding percentage at shortstop is .976; Ryan's is .979, which shows just how much fuss can be made over .005-worth of errors.)
Finally: Giving away at-bats against bad pitchers. I'll say this for Brendan Ryan's horrific 2010 season: He hit bad pitchers in a slightly less horrific way. "Finesse"-type pitchers, labeled in Baseball-Reference's splits for being in the bottom third of the league in strikeouts plus walks, typically have a higher OPS against than their power and average counterparts. Ryan, predictably, didn't hit them very well—but god bless him he gave away fewer at-bats than against good pitchers, hitting .265/.311/.349.
Theriot was better against the huddled masses, hitting .296/.342/.342, but not relative to his other splits; I'm not used to trying to isolate focus, but does that mean he was giving away outs against bad pitchers, or that he was just saving a greater percentage of his outs to... to not give away to the good pitchers?
Replacing Brendan Ryan with Ryan Theriot isn't going to ruin this team, although it does make it much less fun to watch. But it's nonsensical to frame the replacement around a need to refocus when it's not clear what effect that focus is supposed to have had.
Finally, I would like to present my final and most complex argument for abolishing the postseason:
"This team will sacrifice fielding range if it uses Theriot as the everyday shortstop. But the team sacrificed fielding range by replacing Edgar Renteria with Eckstein and won a World Series."
If my referendum passes, and the postseason is abolished, that paragraph will now read as follows, and you won't be inclined to find that xkcd comic about correlation and causation and Photoshop it:
"This team will sacrifice fielding range if it uses Theriot as the everyday shortstop. But the team sacrificed fielding range by replacing Edgar Renteria with Eckstein and won 17 fewer games."
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I always feel like a loser when I'm still awake and the next day's post is already up
Making up for RB’s (re)tardiness, I suppose
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
You are not alone...
"I don't like to sound egotistical, but every time I stepped up to the plate with a bat in my hands, I couldn't help but feel sorry for the pitcher." Rogers hornsby.
Wow.
I go to the trouble of putting together a playlist just for you, and you call me a retard? That’s just not cool, man.
Semper fidelis tyrannosaurus!
by the red baron on Dec 2, 2010 5:29 AM EST up reply actions
and it's ridiculously offensive, to boot
the sooner people remove the word “retard” from their lexicon, the better.
by chuckb on Dec 2, 2010 9:29 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
wow.
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 2, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
really? you're that touchy?
geez
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
I didn't know this was up for debate.
It’s damned offensive and I think less of anyone that would use it so thoughtlessly.
Too stupid and sissy-like to say that you want out.
You make the eyes of a million girls and think you'll make them shout.
by The Continental on Dec 2, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
it's a legitimate word, it's in the dictionary
people should be free to use it if they chose to do so
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
by d-dee on Dec 2, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
uh
there’s an extremely offensive “N” word and “F” word in the dictionary too. Just because handicapped people are not able to voice their concern the way african americans or homosexuals are does not mean that it is ok, funny, or cool to go throwing that word around.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
last time i checked everyone had the freedom of speech
and no one was given the explicit right not to be offended
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
We should attempt to not overtly offend someone also
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 2, 2010 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
but you are not required to
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
See Y2S post below.
Private site. Freedom of speech not guaranteed here.
Brendan Ryan is still a St. Louis Cardinal.
Aaron Miles is not.
actually, if you're on this site
the TOS applies to you, since it is not a private site. the TOS doesn’t care about your Constitutional rights since you expressly waived some by agreeing to it.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
well, private in the sense of not making a profit
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
You're right, d-dee. And I get to form my opinion of others based, in part, on what they say.
It also means I get to call you a stupid cunt.
.
.
.
Of course, I don’t think that at all. You’re one of my favorite members here and we simply disagree on this point. There needs to be a line somewhere and, for me, “retard” is over it.
Too stupid and sissy-like to say that you want out.
You make the eyes of a million girls and think you'll make them shout.
by The Continental on Dec 2, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
absolutely, you can form whatever opinions you choose and say whatever you want
i’m just looking for an explanation
if you direct something at a specific person, that person can decide if he’s offended or not, that’s logical
i just don’t understand that people would get offended by a word that’s just thrown out there and has nothing to do with them, is out of context or whatever – i find that irrational
but we can agree to disagree, i am fine with that and i hold no grudges
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
oh, you hold no grudges?
you have a history of getting the explanation, ignoring it, then complaining about it months later.
your reputation precedes you, d-dee.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
this baiting moment brought to you by yadi2second!
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 2, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
it wasn't really baiting.
I used two hands…
wait.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I always used to hands
Don’t even know how people do it with just one
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 2, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
then it probably wasn't a good explanation
or i’m just, as mentioned above, a stupid cunt
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
the other thing is
on the internet,
it is very dangerous to assume that a word has “nothing to do with them”
you don’t know who we are, and whether we have a sibling or friend who gets this all the time, or maybe even an adopted daughter.
that seems irrational.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 2, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Quoting from "You've Got Mail", of all things
Joe Fox: It wasn’t… personal.
Kathleen Kelly: What is that supposed to mean? I am so sick of that. All that means is that it wasn’t personal to you. But it was personal to me. It’s personal to a lot of people….
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 2, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
I remember having sex with a girl to that movie
Good times
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 2, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
however it is ok to direct your offensive words
toward a specific group of people. A group of people my parents have worked with their entire lives, a group of people that I work with myself from time to time, and a group of people that almost everyone has a relative that falls into that category. Think of gdm’s little nephew. You are insulting him when you use that word.
Its not irrational for someone to be upset. It’s an offensive word, like I mentioned earlier. If you posted the N word on here, insta-ban. Same for the F word. Probably the same for the derogatory S word used in reference to latin americans such as yourself.
The point is, yes, there is a very clear line not only on this site, but also throughout our society of words that are completely unacceptable to be used in any sort of public forum and this word is one of them.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
i'm not going to further discuss this
and not that it matters but i am not latin american, i don’t know why you just decided i was
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
my bad
I’m not sure why either. For the record, I’m not upset with you, just trying to explain why the word is inappropriate.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
for a moment i thought you were
for the record, i was just trying to express the logic as i see it and Rejuvenile delivered that explanation beautifully below
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
do not appropriate this word
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 2, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
That's not how it works.
If you want to offend a specific person, you call them an asshole. If you want to offend a group of people you use the signifier for that group as an insult on someone. If someone calls you a stupid shit, that’s personally offensive. If someone says you’re dumb because you’re a woman, they just insulted a whole group of people to whom they did not personally refer.
Gay, white, handicapped, bloggers, women etc. are all actual groups of people and when you use the name of the group as an insult it’s not just a personal insult anymore.
Enter vivaelpujols
My great wit allows me to interject that by assuming the partakers of this conversation are inbedded and perhaps romantically entangled, rather than indeed, the truthful observation that they are both platonic and standing upright. Great comedy may be produced!! -Aranathor
In today's situation especially
it might be more appropriate to read all of the posts, and then respond. I think we’ve already yelled enough at each other over this topic, and all of the previous participants are (I think) satisfied that they’ve made their points.
Ms Bitters (Invader Zim): Children, your performance was miserable. Your parents will all receive phone calls instructing them to love you less now.
Does anyone in your family have a mental handicap?
“Retard” is offensive. It affects me even though I’m not mentally handicapped. It offends my sister in law as well, who is.
It wasn’t always considered to be offensive but is now pretty much accepted to be a derogatory term, like f@ggot or n|gger or queer.
The problem really isn’t freedom of speech. People are still free to use offensive terms. The problem comes when they don’t have enough common courtesy or sensitivity to refrain.
Sometimes it’s just not about weather you can do something. Sometimes it’s about weather you should.
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
by Dave Pendleton on Dec 2, 2010 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
It wasn't offensive
Until the Association of Retarded Citizen decided it was. It is the correct term. If you want to change the term, the next one will just become offensive in the next 5 years. Using a different word(or group of words) will not remove the stigma.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
by Evilfrog on Dec 3, 2010 9:02 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Also anyone growing up in
Massachusetts will remember JFK’s mom imploring people to buy candles “to help the retahds”
a few more words you can’t use, Cretin, Moron, Mongo from Blazing Saddles has to be renamed, and calling someone an idiot is just plain wrong.
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
The word "retard"
is not the correct term any more than the word faggot or nigger is the correct term. It’s stunning to me that you might even suggest such a thing.
um..
re·tard Verb /riˈtärd/
1.) Delay or hold back in terms of progress, development, or accomplishment
re·tard Noun
1.) A mentally handicapped person.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
by Evilfrog on Dec 3, 2010 10:14 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you didn't hear?
using the dictionary to defend the word makes you an idiot
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
I think we all know what the word means.
It’s the usage and the tone in which it is applied that makes it abrasive.
We no longer refer to people with physical handicaps as “cripples”, it’s a demeaning term.
The dictionary provides nothing in the way of insulting applications. (in this case).
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
by Dave Pendleton on Dec 3, 2010 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
using a different word
isn’t going to fix that. It’s going to be using a different word. For instance, when making fun of people now, instead of saying “You run like you are crippled.” People say, “You run like you are handicap.” Handicap has replaced Crippled. In both the positive and negative aspects. As well any word or term you force people to change retard to.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
the point is
ANY word used to “make fun of people” is a mis-usage of the word.
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
by Dave Pendleton on Dec 3, 2010 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
so stop making fun of anyone because it is not okay
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
unless they are
healthy 20-40 year old middle-upper class white guys.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
I'm not sure what you mean.
is that sarcasm?
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
by Dave Pendleton on Dec 3, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
it's cause nowadays
you can’t make fun of blacks, asians, Mexicans, young people, old people, women,poor people, or disabled or sick people without being called racist, sexist, or just plain sick
but white males in that age group can be made fun of without any such repercussions…
i’m not disagreeing with this stance because all of the others have histories of violence and racism (and making fun of less fortunate is not funny), but it’s just a fact that you can make fun of white males but not many others
it’s really all about context in most cases, but regardless of context (except if it’s with your good buddies) most of the time you get called out for it… (and whether you should be called out is all about context…)
in this case, i didn’t really see the problem but i think it more or less proves the point that you’ll get called out regardless of context in a lot of cases (by the way, i’m rambling but i’m not talking about calling people the n word and f word because those are always wrong, i’m just talking about making fun of specific groups)
Thanx for the explaination.
I totally missed that point. glad to hear it. and you’re right, the white man can’t dance and it’s ok to say so, but you can’t say…………!
time to end this!
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
by Dave Pendleton on Dec 4, 2010 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
i would
but they all look the same to me.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 4, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty much.
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
by Dave Pendleton on Dec 3, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
it has gone from the vernacular to the pejorative
however it has it’s uses in particular in it’s verb form(flame retardant, retard the growth of)
We also can’t call someone Handicapped, or Disabled although they remain descriptive for ADA uses and for parking spots
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
why does no one care
Q: That ARC stands for the association of RETADED Americans?
A: Because it is the correct term. Which is why they used it.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
On the other hand, using it as a personal insult,
is offensive to that group of people no matter how correct it was to use it in a clinical context thirty years ago.
Enter vivaelpujols
My great wit allows me to interject that by assuming the partakers of this conversation are inbedded and perhaps romantically entangled, rather than indeed, the truthful observation that they are both platonic and standing upright. Great comedy may be produced!! -Aranathor
true
But my point was calling a retard a retard is not offensive.
Calling a girl a girl isn’t offensive. Calling a guy a girl is.
All insults, are in fact, insulting by nature.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
by Evilfrog on Dec 3, 2010 10:28 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
....
calling a retard a retard is not offensive.
to who?
I think it’s a matter of intent, or ignorance.
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
by Dave Pendleton on Dec 3, 2010 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
intent matters a lot more than the word you are using
which is why banning retard and using a different word is not going to solve anything.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
this conversation is going nowhere.
There has to be some name for groups of people, I suppose, and over time the name becomes obsolete as a reference, in favor of something more kind…which will eventually become offensive as well. Then we’ll find another term to use for awhile.
The only “fix” is attitude.
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
by Dave Pendleton on Dec 3, 2010 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
It IS offensive, though (as people have pointed out)
Usage and language changes over time; words that were once “OK” to use in certain contexts become perjorative.
The fact that new, socially-acceptable words replace outmoded terms that have become offensive is a function of an evolving society and no excuse to keep using the old terms after they become insults.
Also, the obvious point that one can use the term “retard” in a way that is not offensive, does not make any use acceptable.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 3, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
ARC
I’ve never heard of that org.
Was it actually formed by mentally handicapped people or by someone else on their behalf?
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
by Dave Pendleton on Dec 3, 2010 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
Really?
http://www.thearc.org/page.aspx?pid=2530
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Actually, on the issue of calling someone names
you’re dead wrong. There’s a whole level of difference between saying:
“What you just said was fucking ignorant.” (A little profane, but otherwise an opinion about the knowledge of the situation represented in their statements.)
vs.
“Wow, you are one ignorant fuck!” (More profane, but also a direct attack on the individual, attributing an opinion about a person’s knowledge on a given subject or subjects, to them as a person entirely.)
As far as the word retard and its variants, I can honestly say that my late sister was mentally retarded (her mental development was retarded due to abnormalities in the formation of certain higher brain functions) and I wouldn’t have a problem with anyone else refering to her situation in those terms. However, were you (or anyone else) to call her a “retard” in anything approaching a serious manner, I would end you.
Making a joke about Red Baron’s tendency to post his articles later in the day than … optimal, and using word-play to turn tardiness into retard-iness, was something that appeared to be done entirely in jest and responded to in-turn (RB, please correct me if there was more sternness intended in your response than I noticed).
If you’re offended by the use of the term “retard” when used to call someone a name in a hateful way, I applaud you, but there IS nothing wrong with the word itself in any other context.
Ms Bitters (Invader Zim): Children, your performance was miserable. Your parents will all receive phone calls instructing them to love you less now.
by Rejuvenile on Dec 2, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
That is literally exactly how I intended the comment
But I really am sorry if anybody was offended
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
by mysterui on Dec 2, 2010 1:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
just by your face.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
sometimes people are sensitive.
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 2, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
Well, I think you're retarded, retard!
How you like that? Huh, huh? What are you gonna do about it?
[Please, for the love of Pete, do not get offended by this. Rejuvenile is my twin brother – we’ve been doing this sort of thing since we could talk.]
I was reading about how countless species are being pushed toward extinction by man's destruction of forests. Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - Calvin, Scientific Progress Goes "Boink", Watterson
you are brothers for real?
for real for real?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
This is why
you need to attend VEB Meet and Greets…
Ms Bitters (Invader Zim): Children, your performance was miserable. Your parents will all receive phone calls instructing them to love you less now.
are you kidding, i'd get kicked out in no time
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
Depends
People either get kicked out because they pissed everyone off, or they kicked out and the party follows them to its next location.
yeah, zoomzoom
it’s stlcardsfan’s turn to blow that whistle
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Yup
Hell, we work together too! We probably won’t resort to slap-fighting or anything (could happen anyway), but we’ll give each other shit the rest of the day, more than normal.
I was reading about how countless species are being pushed toward extinction by man's destruction of forests. Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - Calvin, Scientific Progress Goes "Boink", Watterson
Do you two
switch places to fuck with coworkers?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Not really possible
We don’t look that much like each other to pull a Doublemint moment and while we’re intellectually capable enough to handle each other’s job, Rejuvenile has been in charge of his end of the division too long for me to instantly replicate his knowledge base.
I was reading about how countless species are being pushed toward extinction by man's destruction of forests. Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - Calvin, Scientific Progress Goes "Boink", Watterson
Most of VEB day was a drunken blur,
I didn’t recall if you were identicals or not.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
do you only date twins
so when you have children your twins look alike?
you’re plotting to take over the world, aren’t you?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
The same thing we do every night, Pinky ...
It would be kind of cool (the dating twins thing), but unnecessary.
I was reading about how countless species are being pushed toward extinction by man's destruction of forests. Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - Calvin, Scientific Progress Goes "Boink", Watterson
It would be cool if we could find some twins to double-date with
but no such luck so far. Did have a guy I worked with who is a twin, married a twin. At last check, no twins among their progeny (and all girls).
Ms Bitters (Invader Zim): Children, your performance was miserable. Your parents will all receive phone calls instructing them to love you less now.
I know a hot set of triplets you could meet up with
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
digits please
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Thirty, assuming no bad accidents or mutations.
by mojowo11 on Dec 2, 2010 7:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I have nothing to add
Other than I liked the joke
Here are your props.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I've met them, they are
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 2, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
He's only getting away with this right now
because we’re both at work right now, and my company has a policy against workplace violence. I will, however, kick the living shit out of him once we’re off company property.
Ms Bitters (Invader Zim): Children, your performance was miserable. Your parents will all receive phone calls instructing them to love you less now.
and you work together?
did one of you go to the interview and then come monday two showed up and asked for the same salary?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
Wait, you both work at the same place too?
Brendan Ryan is still a St. Louis Cardinal.
Aaron Miles is not.
I got the job first
(incoming materials and production), then convinced my boss to contract with him every shipping season (6 months/year) to handle outbound freight paperwork. It’s pretty cool, actually, from a work perspective: he’s got good problem solving skills, he’s very knowledgable in Excel, and he’s very detail oriented (I’m better…). Plus we carpool to and from work, so that makes it easier with an hour commute each way.
Ms Bitters (Invader Zim): Children, your performance was miserable. Your parents will all receive phone calls instructing them to love you less now.
He sits close enough to annoy all day
Side-by-side desks, but we get along extremely well. There’s the usual disagreements and I’m much, much more likely to yell at him than I would a non-related employee, but we know how to handle each other.
I was reading about how countless species are being pushed toward extinction by man's destruction of forests. Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - Calvin, Scientific Progress Goes "Boink", Watterson
"handle each other"
He meant deal with each other – our names are not Akbar and Jeff.
Ms Bitters (Invader Zim): Children, your performance was miserable. Your parents will all receive phone calls instructing them to love you less now.
that's how all brothers should behave, imo
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 2, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
One of the things that my company has had to deal with
is getting rid of our old materials by selling them to liquidators. We had arranged to sell a few truckloads of materials to them, and we were in the process of moving the pallets out of an old, unstaffed warehouse that we had them in, so we had brought in temporary forklift drivers to get the trailers loaded.
One of the liquidators was frustrated with the pace of loading and asked one of my drivers what was going on. He responded that my boss and I were working through some issues with the loads, and that we would continue working on them once we had that resolved. The liquidator turned away from my driver and said, mostly to himself, “fucking moron!” Well, the driver thought the liquidator was calling him a fucking moron, and threatened to quit on the spot over it.
I calmed him down by letting him know, “He wasn’t calling you a fucking moron – he was calling me a fucking moron.”
I then proceeded to tell the liquidator that, as far as I cared, he could call me any damn thing he felt like, but if he said so much as “boo!” to any of my guys, and they walked because of it, I’d physically throw him out of the building on the spot and terminate the deal. He and I get along fine now, although I haven’t had to deal with him for about 9 months now – probably better that way.
Ms Bitters (Invader Zim): Children, your performance was miserable. Your parents will all receive phone calls instructing them to love you less now.
Constitutionally speaking, you are off-base.
The first amendment guarantees that the government will not make a law to abridge your freedom of speech. That protection does not even extend to all speech, as several categories are not given the same protection. Rarely are individuals afforded protection from the varied reactions to, and consequences of, their speech by other individuals. You can drop n-bombs all you want, but you may be fired, scolded, asked to leave, etc. What won’t happen is that you will be arrested, unless your speech is “fighting words” or immediate incitement. Therefore, your invocation of the first amendment is irrelevant and undermines your credibility. The frequency of this erroneous use underscores the poor understanding so many people have for our constitution. As you may have surmised, it is a pet peeve of mine.
While you are closer to being correct with your opinion on offensiveness, there are exceptions. We will learn more once the Westboro Baptist Church case is decided. I hope you, and the rest of us, aspire to a higher standard of humanity than they do.
I hope you don’t take this as an attack on you personally. I would never post this on most forums. However this is generally a community respected for its intelligence, reason, humor and wit. I think it is reasonable to understand the meanings of wOBA and the freedom of speech.
Cheers
by TeddyRugby on Dec 2, 2010 10:44 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
TR - thanks for the informative post. What are the issues in Westboro? Are there Establishment Clause and Free Exercise Clause elements as well?
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
Westboro baptist church
Is the group that protests at military funerals with signs such as ‘god hates fags’ and ‘thank god for dead soldiers.’. The WBC argues that our soldiers are killed because don’t ask don’t tell displeases god by letting gays in the military.
Even worse, they are all Jayhawk fans.
Thanks. Case before the Supremes now?
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
This is possibly the dumbest defense of offensive language ever.
Yeah, it’s in the dictionary. How in the hell does that not make it offensive?
Enter vivaelpujols
My great wit allows me to interject that by assuming the partakers of this conversation are inbedded and perhaps romantically entangled, rather than indeed, the truthful observation that they are both platonic and standing upright. Great comedy may be produced!! -Aranathor
well, as a stupid cunt i say stupid things
any other questions?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
by d-dee on Dec 2, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I am not perfect either
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 2, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
Once I overcooked a steak
It was dry and tough to bite. Dinner was ruined. We have all made grave mistakes.
OH SO NOW YOU'RE ON TO BASHING COWS!!!!!
:=8O
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
I know......
dry steak is basphemy.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Heart Disease is Cow Revenge!!!!!
:=8P
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
I will die a happy, steak filled man.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Only when the ninja cows stake you from behind!
;=8)
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
Now THIS is offensive
Enter vivaelpujols
My great wit allows me to interject that by assuming the partakers of this conversation are inbedded and perhaps romantically entangled, rather than indeed, the truthful observation that they are both platonic and standing upright. Great comedy may be produced!! -Aranathor
by hazel on Dec 3, 2010 12:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
by the way
your defense of the word “retard” suggests that you’re really in no position to be mocking others’ intelligence.
just acknowledging
i read you called me an idiot
cause people that write those subtle kinds of insults usually want them to be read
so yeah, i heard you. thanks
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
does that offend you? heh
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
by the way Idiot was was they called the developmentally disabled
a few centuries back, so i guess it is all in the timing
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
Are JFK jokes funny yet?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I'd actually like to discuss this
chuckb and everybody else: I assume you don’t get offended when people are called “idiots” or “idiotic.”
Is this hypocritical of you?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Sometimes I find something like that offensive...
sometimes I find it abrasive,
most always I find it childish or immature and unnecessary.
I’m guilty myself, once in a blue moon but I try not to make it part of my character. But we all regress now and then.
In general I think it’s offensive for people to insult other people. I learned that in kindergarten and it just stuck. When I think about it, my kindergarten diploma is worth more than my degree. I learned some valuable life-skills there. It was social studies 101.
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
by Dave Pendleton on Dec 3, 2010 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
No, my point was is if you thought calling someone a retard was more offensive than calling someone an idiot
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I say they're equal
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
by Dave Pendleton on Dec 3, 2010 9:53 PM EST up reply actions
retardiness is bad it seems
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 3, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
i guess it is now!
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
by Dave Pendleton on Dec 4, 2010 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
lesson: don't be tardy
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
more than once or twice
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 4, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
I feel like this comment is a hundred times more offensive than my original one
< /stoking the fire>
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I guess so.
Not a big fan of words like nigger or faggot either. Does that make me “touchy?” Feel free to use those words if you like but understand that people like me are going to call you out when you do.
Personally I prefer to called them Coloreds or Negro's
the way the NAACP or United Negro College Fund does
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
personally...
i don’t see the need for any term of distinction at all. I call them “people”.
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
by Dave Pendleton on Dec 3, 2010 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
just making a point man
but calling it the United College Fund or the National Association for the Advancement of People lack a certain flavor
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
people are different
we need to learn people’s differences, and accept them. Not ignore them.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
my sincerest wish is that we as a society stop awarding points to people
in arguments for claiming to be offended or or claiming victim status
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
by TomCat009 on Dec 3, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yea,
I know you’re just making a point. Me too.
I would prefer something like:
The National College Fund for the Advancement of Human Knowledge.
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
by Dave Pendleton on Dec 3, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
but only for the darker ones right?
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
otherwise you are being racist
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
I don't know where you're coming from with that....
or how you put that together.
but only for the darker ones right?
You said that, not me!
Am I missing something?
I said “Human Knowledge”. That includes all races.
Surely, I’m missing your point.
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
by Dave Pendleton on Dec 3, 2010 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
yeah but how are you going to raise money for that?
and if it is racist to want affirmative action to end, it is probably racist to call for the end of The United Negro College Fund
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
well,
I’d contribute funds for something like that. As far as being racist, sometimes it’s in the eye of the beholder.
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
by Dave Pendleton on Dec 4, 2010 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
on a related note, i was watching "tropic thunder" on basic cable last night
and i noticed that they dubbed out the so-called “r” word. i was pretty surprised by that. if only because they did not dub out the words “bitch” or “bastard.”
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Watch the movie "miss march"
They changed the word post production to “crackhead” despite the actors clearly saying “retard”. It was ridiculous.
by lopey986 on Dec 2, 2010 3:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Pete Alexander
The HOF pitcher was most definitely an alcoholic, but also suffered from epilepsy, which to the untrained eye can be mistaken for drunkenness. It was also thought at the time that epilepsy was akin to being possessed by the devil, where as drunkenness was just an evil vice. Alexander thought it better to be considered a drunk than someone in need of an exorcism.
This is rather similar to the idea that someone would consider being a crackhead to be less offensive than a person that has mental retardation.
I was reading about how countless species are being pushed toward extinction by man's destruction of forests. Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - Calvin, Scientific Progress Goes "Boink", Watterson
that was my first thought.
well actually none of what you said, but your ultimate point that “crackhead” is somehow better than “retard”
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
I totally agree. Probably nothing more spineless and cowardly to mock those who are completely unable to defend themselves by using such and insulting word
"I don't take no anesthetic. Did Lincoln ask for any girlie gas when they blowed his head off?"
are you suggesting
calling retarded people retarded is offensive?
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
I took it as repeated tardiness
But that’s just how I read it.
by lopey986 on Dec 2, 2010 9:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
pretty much this
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 2, 2010 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
Well
compared too the other posters, your posting timing is retarded. By at least 15 degrees.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
by Evilfrog on Dec 2, 2010 9:43 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
raise your hands if you got that joke
and contact me with your carburetor rebuild stories.
"Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals." --Churchill
the timing on that joke was advanced.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Dec 2, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh what a b-e-a-utiful reply fail.
by lopey986 on Dec 2, 2010 2:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Am I the only one who read this differently?
As in repeated tardiness and not retard-iness? I don’t think he would have separated the (re) from tardiness if he were calling someone a retard.
Also, there’s multiple forms of retardation. I am very socially retarded and if you call me retarded when it comes to my interactions with others, well it’s probably true.
by lopey986 on Dec 2, 2010 2:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It was a play on words.
Not intended to offend.
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
by Dave Pendleton on Dec 3, 2010 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
Stupid Gordon
I still can’t get around how nuts this is. Ryan’s one of the top defenders at shortstop in baseball, if not the best. The Cardinals know this, everyone knows this. Ryan Theriot is average at best at shortstop. The Cardinals know this, everyone knows this.
The Cardinals are a ridiculously groundball heavy staff. They were a very close second in groundball percentage in the majors last year, and were in the bottom ten in strikeouts per 9, meaning that overall they probably had the most groundballs in the majors. Adding Westbrook for a full season only makes us more of a groundball heavy staff.
So why in the hell do we replace a gold glove caliber shortstop with an average at best caliber shortstop, for only a marginal gain in offensive production? Replacing Ryan with Theriot in a vacuum is stupid, but then you have to consider that Skip Schumaker, quite possibly the worst defensive second baseman in the game, is the one not being replaced. Theriot would be a + defender at second base, and Schumaker is only a marginally better hitter than him.
Getting Theriot, I think, was a solid move. He’s cheap, only cost us a shitty reliever, and is probably a pretty decent player next year (solid defense, tolerable hitting). The decision to put him at shortstop instead of Ryan, and leave Skip to (wo)man his post at second is mind bogglingly stupid. It will probably cost us a full next year (and don’t say a win is insignificant. For a team like the Cardinals, projected to be a high 80’s, low 90’s win team, a win is worth about a 10% increase in playoff odds).
How long must we be subjected to our teams management actively hurting the team?
by vivaelpujols on Dec 2, 2010 4:27 AM EST reply actions 10 recs
...
Skip to (wo)man
heh heh heh
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
No I think it's hilarious
Even though, y’know, you copied a similar joke two posts up. NBD
Welp, bed time
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Nope.
You’re entitled to say sexist things if you want. I’m not sure why calling out sexism when I see it or hear it is “anti-fun” but…ok. I just don’t believe people should make comments that are sexist, racist, or otherwise offensive toward any group of people…even Cub fans. Suggesting that Skip sucks b/c he plays like a girl is a sexist comment and you’re certainly entitled to make comments like that, just as I’m entitled to call them out when I read them.
And it’s more than a little disturbing that misterui seems to get his rocks off by reading and participating in conversations that include sexist comments and making fun of those who are handicapped.
But neither of you should be arrested for it. Just be prepared for people to call you out when you make comments like that. When I come here to read the articles and comments, I don’t come here to read those kinds of comments.
Aw, nice I've never argued for sexism before!!
Suggesting that Skip sucks b/c he plays like a girl is a sexist comment and you’re certainly entitled to make comments like that, just as I’m entitled to call them out when I read them.
Suggesting Skip plays like a woman is not sexist because it’s true. He doesn’t have power and slaps at the ball like a little girl, he spends more time working on his body than he does working on his skills – also a characteristic of women (now THAT’S sexist).
(I hope you can tell that I’m completely joking)
In all seriousness, “he plays like a girl” is a commonly used term with very little sexist connotations because woman don’t even play baseball professionally and would be worse then men if they did (and I’m sure than neither Spants, or IHB, or D-Dee are offended by the comparison).
And, like mysterui’s, it was a chance at an easy play on words and was clearly not used maliciously towards woman, nor was his used maliciously towards retarded people. And he’s a nice guy, so he’s clearly not getting his rocks off on sexism and handicappism, as he is enjoying a good play on words (if I do say so myself).
I think you are overreacting.
I still don't understand
how (re) – meaning in this case again, and tardiness – referring to lateness, devolved to this.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
"'he plays like a girl' is a commonly used term with very little sexist connotations"
I’m going to have to think on this argument, as – to my surprise – I think I don’t disagree – despite hating that phrase so very, very much. I would just note, however, that I think audience matters a ton. My concern with that phrase is that I so often hear it said to young boys and girls who might not understand exactly how to take it and – instead – hear “like a girl” as the general equivalent of “badly.” And I worry about the results of that. Of course VEB is an adult site of generally sensible people, so I’m not usually bothered when I read that phrase here.
by peach concrete on Dec 3, 2010 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
I have a brother-in-law...
that cooks like a girl. I’m not sure if that’s an insult or not but somebody will think so.
In this case it’s a compliment, I think.
But I can envision…
What are you saying here, that girls are only good at cooking?…and BTW….does this dress make my butt look big?
The road to hell (and arguments) is paved with good (and bad) intentions.
Sometimes you just can’t win.
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
by Dave Pendleton on Dec 3, 2010 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
Seriously?
n all seriousness, "he plays like a girl" is a commonly used term with very little sexist connotations
Just because it’s commonly used, or has been over time, doesn’t mean it’s not sexist.
I guess we’ll just agree to disagree here. But be prepared to be called out for other sexist remarks.
why would you ever take them off?
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
that's pretty much right....
it was always a sexist (by its very nature) comment. We just didn’t realize it until we became PC.
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
by Dave Pendleton on Dec 3, 2010 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
PC was a phrase invented by Trotsky, and I don't mean Hal
isn’t that right Comrade?
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
I think it was Bob Trotsky, wasn't it?
however, I think it’s been re-invented since then.
Personally, I’m offended by political correctness.
How’s that, Comrade?
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
by Dave Pendleton on Dec 4, 2010 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
To be honest, I've always felt that Skip Schumaker plays like a negro.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 4, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
wow.
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 2, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
Amen.
How a team with a “pitch to contact” philosophy can continue to downgrade its defense makes no sense. Freese is average at best, with bad ankles that may further hamper his range. Brendan must be really annoying in the clubhouse. He seems to be getting the blame for “chemistry” issues.
by vinniefromjersey on Dec 2, 2010 6:44 AM EST up reply actions
Tony larussa is a dick
Offers bookoos of money to Joe madden and let’s move on
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 2, 2010 8:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Offer
Not offers
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 2, 2010 8:58 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Freese is an upgrade
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
If the Aaron F. Miles era has now come to an end,
this would be a blessed outcome of the Theriot deal.
Your 2011 St. Louis Cardinals: Rasmus 8, Jay/Craig 9, Pujols 3, Holliday 7, M Carpenter 5, Molina 2, Theriot 4, Ryan 6, pitcher
My nightmare infield next season
Theriot at SS, Schumaker at 2B, Miles as backup. AAAAAAA!!!!
Looks like I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing glue....
by Futility Infielder on Dec 2, 2010 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
November 1, 2010: Aaron Miles granted free agency.
Theriot makes Miles unnecessary.
Brendan Ryan is still a St. Louis Cardinal.
Aaron Miles is not.
Miles was unnecessary last year as well.....
doesn’t mean he wasn’t on the team.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
If Freese stays healthy, Aaron Miles gets cut lose from Springfield, not promoted.
Brendan Ryan is still a St. Louis Cardinal.
Aaron Miles is not.
or, you know, bring up Tyler Greene,
a kid with upside instead. Miles was unfuckingnecessary.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Of course, we could have just as easily
done this last year, instead of signing AFM.
Your 2011 St. Louis Cardinals: Rasmus 8, Jay/Craig 9, Pujols 3, Holliday 7, M Carpenter 5, Molina 2, Theriot 4, Ryan 6, pitcher
i agree with every single word of this.
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 2, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
apparently players hated Ryan so I guess it wasnt about production
by jealousblues on Dec 2, 2010 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
My wife was pregnant, she is no longer
New cardinal fan entered the world at 7:36 Tuesday night. Mom and baby doing great. Daddy shitting his pants and silently praying “don’t let me screw this up, please.”
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 2, 2010 6:47 AM EST via mobile reply actions 12 recs
They're actually pretty hard to screw up.
Just keep in mind you’re a bench player now, on the downside of your career. Cheer for the Rookie at the plate, support the Manager, and babyball will be bery bery good to you.
The Mang does more than Milton can
To justify God's ways to man.
by alberich on Dec 2, 2010 7:08 AM EST up reply actions 8 recs
Ha
About what my father told me
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 2, 2010 7:20 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
And when he says it
it’s a self-proving assertion
The Mang does more than Milton can
To justify God's ways to man.
congratulations
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Achievement Unlocked: New Party Member Added
Congratulations!
Tell your wife she’s the most beautiful woman in the world, and mean it. Don’t be scared; you’ll know what to do or you’ll figure it out as you go along. Take some pictures, but don’t go overboard this time around – your 2nd and later kids will be jealous that you didn’t take as many pictures when they came through the minors.
Lastly, don’t let them grow up to be Cubs fans, or Albert Pujols will make a special stop during one of his trips through time to beat some sense into you. And when he does, thank him for the beating, and ask very politley to sign your whole body cast.
Ms Bitters (Invader Zim): Children, your performance was miserable. Your parents will all receive phone calls instructing them to love you less now.
by Rejuvenile on Dec 2, 2010 8:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
My brother in law us a cub's fan
Do not fear. I will do everything in my power to make him a cards fan. Already got the Ozzie smith highlights video ready to go
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 2, 2010 8:57 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
so i assume it's a boy?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
Yes
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 2, 2010 11:26 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
befriend oleary early then
congrats
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
Cowgrats on the new addition to the herd!
:=8)
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
Congrats.
Lemme know how it goes, got my first one coming in April and I’m already shitting my pants.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 2, 2010 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
Congrats
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Congrats
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Congrats!
And don’t worry so much. You’ll do fine.
hOOrAY
To the eating, pooping, peeing, and puking machine
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 2, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
i heard they smile and do cute stuff every once in a while too
but it’s only hearsay so…
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
i don't know what that means
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
Not all of us are just geeks of the baseball kind
Many of us also get our geek on with computer and video games, including games where the game characters improve their abilities through play, and the milestones are represented by “levels”. Think of them like Low-A, High-A, AA, AAA, and the majors, just more finely separated.
Ms Bitters (Invader Zim): Children, your performance was miserable. Your parents will all receive phone calls instructing them to love you less now.
The Baby is currently in the Venezuelan Winter League
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 2, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
Do we know whether the baby has a positive WARB?
Wins Above Replacement Baby
Bang repeatedly on the maternity ward glass – “Hey Baby! Hey Baby! Loser, Loser, Best Baby in here!” (Center Ice promos)
Ms Bitters (Invader Zim): Children, your performance was miserable. Your parents will all receive phone calls instructing them to love you less now.
To small of a sample size to make any real judgement's
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 2, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
keep your eyes off the baby's sample size
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on Dec 2, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
There's a pedo bear joke in there somewhere.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
"Don't contrast and compare!"
Ms Bitters (Invader Zim): Children, your performance was miserable. Your parents will all receive phone calls instructing them to love you less now.
Congrats
Enjoy it man.
Boy or girl?
And where do we send the condolence cards for the end of your life being your own?
by WizardofOz1982 on Dec 2, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
Umm, some of that looked a bit
questionable.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 2, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
Congrats
What are his SSS?
I thought I told you to trim those sideburns!
by martimeryard on Dec 2, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
wait
you’re f’n zoomzoom’s dad?
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
does he ever call you f'n [firstname] [middlename]?
when he’s mad?
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
congratulations
why are you people hoarding your recs?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I've always been a fan.
Bom-chicka-BOW.
by Andyfantastic on Dec 2, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
certainly. It means that one more basement dweller got laid.
Well, once anyway.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 2, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
you do it the basement.
duh
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
why didn't somebody tell me?
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Baby Making, no.
Baby Delivering, yes.
Brendan Ryan is still a St. Louis Cardinal.
Aaron Miles is not.
For reals
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 2, 2010 4:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You got the owner's manual already, right?
It should have come in the mail after your wife’s first prenatal exam. All the answers are in there. You should have already read the first 20 chapters by now…
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 2, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
Everyone screws it up!
The immortal Louis C.K.:
“And you can’t even enjoy being a parent, because there’s no pride in it because we suck at it! Everybody sucks, we make huge mistakes, and then you just go, ‘Whoops, permanent damage there, move on, I guess.’ My five-year-old has all these twitches and weird fears, I’m like, ‘Good luck with that shit, honey, that’s all my handiwork. Sorry!’”
Congrats!
I guess this means we can look forward to more 2 or 4 a.m. posts from you (that is, if you can manage to type with one hand while rocking with the other arm).
by ArkansasTravs on Dec 2, 2010 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
good news, everyone...
Sorry Cubs! The Cubs would not have been helped by another wild card, not one bit.
bls
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I want hideki okajima
That is all
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 2, 2010 8:55 AM EST via mobile reply actions
agree or disagree?
If Theriot takes #13, we’re leaning towards “not scrappy”.
If he takes #00, he becomes the tallest man even to don our “scrappy” label. This could be revolutionary.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
he better not take 13
or i will have to start booing my own team
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
if theriot knows any better, he won't be taking #13
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 2, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
who wore 13....
why am I not getting this.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
oh fuck me I'm dumb.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
that's quite the pickup line
someone put it on a t-shirt
the germans have a saying – “dumm fickt gut”, you’d be a hit in a bier garten
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
you solved the puzzle!
that means you get to spin
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Caught his interview on ESPN1000 yesterday on my lunch break
Theriot seems to be a really genuine, funny guy, really interested in coming to the Cardinals (“the right side of the rivalry”). From the standpoints of this being a favorable swap of players and of adding a quality person to the organzation, I fully endorse the addition of Theriot to the team.
But what I got from the interview was that at least part of his excitement in coming here was the assurances he got from both Tony and Mo that he would get a starting gig here. And if that comes at the expense of sending Boog away for nothing much more than a sack of wet mice, then I just don’t know what to do with this team anymore.
I would, however, back a plan where Boog gets a lion’s share af the time at SS, Theriot gets a similar amount of playing time but split between 2B and SS, Skippy gets the remaining time at 2B and is our 4th/5th outfielder, and TGreene is the backup IF. With FreeAllenCraig as the other half of the RF platoon, you have sufficient redundancy at all of the IF positions to make do even if no other significant acquisitions are made.
KEEP BRENDAN RYAN!
Ms Bitters (Invader Zim): Children, your performance was miserable. Your parents will all receive phone calls instructing them to love you less now.
by Rejuvenile on Dec 2, 2010 9:20 AM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
i think a lot of us feel the same way
none of us get why boog is getting jilted out of a starting job at SS when 2B is shakier. we would all back the platoon at SS/2B plan and don’t get why the front office and tony feel the way they do.
and i think a lot of us are starting to get tired of mo & TLR, for the very reasons that have unfolded in the last few days, between the trade (which isn’t bad if used for the right reasons, and obviously it’s not) and the scenario with boog. if i were boog right now, i’d be nervous and extremely pissed.
hey Mo: theriot at 2B, boog at SS.
"and i think a lot of us are starting to get tired of mo & TLR, for the very reasons that have unfolded in the last few days,"
Several years, not few days, zoomzoom. These last few days are just a microcosm of what’s been gnawing at us for the better part of a decade.
i know what you mean
and i meant for that to be something along the lines of what you said.
hey Mo: theriot at 2B, boog at SS.
C'Mon Man
You’re a communications major now – don’t let others say what you mean. Learn to say it yourself! All that college tuition and this is what we get?
SD
don't tell me you are really related..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
He's ZZ's dad.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
does this mean
“f’n zoomzoom” is also on the do-not-type list?
"Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals." --Churchill
Not al all
Santa will likely have a present under the tree for “f’n ZoomZoom.”
SD
by Gibby45 on Dec 2, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
picture or it didn't happen
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
by d-dee on Dec 2, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
nah, he takes it in stride
you can keep going. i don’t mind it either.
hey Mo: theriot at 2B, boog at SS.
The bear.....
you’re all poking it.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I love it........
Parenting through VEB.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
No pressure
But you are all parenting ZoomZoom on VEB. Careful with my impressionable little Cardinals fan.
SD
At least, he'll be well versed
in dealing with a bunch of [redacted].
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
It's ok, Gibby.
One of my majors back in undegrad was communications, so just consider my response above a tip on how to conserve language and be concise.
Take notes, VolsnCards5.
Too stupid and sissy-like to say that you want out.
You make the eyes of a million girls and think you'll make them shout.
by The Continental on Dec 2, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
To me
the combination of Mo & TLR is what makes everything all confusing. I’m not sure who really wants what. I have a feeling that each is conceding at some point to the other on personnel. I’d like to see a year without TLR and see what happens.
in the defense of TLR and Mo
We have no idea what sort of childish antics have been tolerated from boog.
from afar, it appears that tlr is just being a grumpy old man. my guess is that there’s some truth to that. But considering boog’s past problems buying into the ‘team’ mentality, it’s safe to say, that he’s also partially to blame.
Brendan Ryan seems like the better candidate to rebound but Theriot has higher upside.
Since most of his value is tied up in defense. He has a higher baseline since defense tends to be more stable than hitting. He had a down year with a .253 BABIP (.292 career). So he returns to career levels he will be a 1.5 WAR player.
Ryan's upside is higher than that
He was a 1.5 win player, nearly, last year in a horrific year. Ryan’s upside is probably around 2.5 WAR and it’s likely that he’ll settle somewhere around 2.0 WAR given 150 games at SS. Now, perhaps that’s not good enough; maybe we need more from that position. Probably we do if we’re going to continue to run Skip and his replacement level WAR at the keystone but Theriot doesn’t offer that in all probability. It’s possible that Theriot will have a breakout year and post a 2.5 WAR or something and that Ryan would again be as bad as he was last year and we gain but the likelihood is that we just downgraded at SS and paid more $ for the right to do it. But at least Theriot’s funnier than Ryan is. (rolls eyes!)
I liked the acquisition myself
Because who else is on the market right now? I keep hearing people complain about Theriot but have not heard decent replacements. The problem is that Moz gave Skip a 2 year contract when he should of been non-tendered this year. Skip was one of the least valuable players in baseball this year.
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 2, 2010 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
All the angst about Ryan seems misplaced...
Skip, Theriot, and Ryan are going to be mixed and matched depending on performance. True Ryan should have first crack at the SS job, but he’ll play if he hits even a little.
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
Really?
Cause it sounds like Mo’s #1 objective next week is to trade Ryan. This team is no better than it was 2 months ago.
I don't think he's goint to be here to hit.
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
by Dave Pendleton on Dec 2, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
you need to exchange that crystal ball
it seems to be broken
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
According to MLB Trade Rumors via Goold
The Cardinals have let other teams know Ryan is available, and they’ll look to trade him during next week’s winter meetings in Florida, if not sooner
No one...
is going to give us anything of value for Brendan Ryan. Between the perceived quirkiness and the weak bat, we might as well keep him. Mo will go to the WM, claim there was no market, and he’ll be back. When Theriot gets thrown out on the basepaths four times on April 2nd, Ryan will be the SS again. It’ll be ok.
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
i await the day when Brendan Ryan just says "Screw you guys, I want a trade."
‘cause that’s never happened before. oh wait.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I'm hoping (and counting on) you're right
that they will need to be blown away to actually consummate a trade.
youneverknow
SOB
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
bingo...
skip’s extension has a lot to do with this. tony likes skip, and mo cant/wont push back because he basically agreed with tony when he extended skip. cant go back now. as much as i would like to see us go after chone figgins as a buy-low, have-seattle-eat-a-big-chunk-of-his-salary guy, jack z is in the same boat. ditching either guy is admitting a mistake.
tlr always lobbies (successfully)
for players he likes
not the best players
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
I am much more interested
in us getting rid of replacement-level (and below) veterans, than in using a trade to “upgrade” our 7th best position player by half a win (when we should be upgrading our 8th best position player by a full win, Baseball-Reference numbers).
Between Lopez, Miles, Winn, Feliz, and Stavinoha, we handed out 989 PA’s to “veterans” who amassed a combined -1.1 WAR. We need to at least get the bench to be replacement level overall, if not a full positive. I think Lopez was unfortunate, Miles was a bad decision that ultimately didn’t hurt us (didn’t help either), but Winn, Feliz, and Stav were all bad decisions that hurt us by both their performance and the lost opportunities for development.
Ms Bitters (Invader Zim): Children, your performance was miserable. Your parents will all receive phone calls instructing them to love you less now.
you're preaching to the choir
however, tlr wants to manage veterans and he will manage veterans
i am surprised we haven’t gotten rid of everyone under 29 yet
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
...
where is our bench
and how come it’s mostly pitchers
me on Nov 1, 2009 12:00 AM CDT on Putting UZR to the Test
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
CITE
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
.......
things wot i have learned
1. McGwire is really Zeus.
2. The cubs really, really want that Impact Bat to Fix Everything. We should probably not do this.
3. DanUp oughta cool it with the mancrushes.
4. Brian Barden is Ludwick’s backup, backing up my Pointy Finger of Doom over any notion of letting him go. …wick.
5. Boog’s mustache detached itself at some point during the NLDS.
6. tom s. is also wondering why he’s on his lawn.
7. MOAR BENCH. MOAR BENCH. MOAR BENCH.
I must object, though, I had nightmares about our middle infield for years. It was a much longer national nightmare.
However I also suspect tom s. knows something he’s not telling about Lugo’s crazy eyes.
///
oh, and the Curse of Scott Rolen is real
but I knew that.
“It was like two ankles.” AVENGE BOOG
“But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can’t be bargained with. They can’t be reasoned with. They don’t feel pity, or remorse, or fear.” – THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 24, 2009 9:20 AM CDT
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I'm flabberghasted with this move.
J-Mo and TLR are begining to really grate on me.
The only way this makes any sense at all to me is if they plan to play Theriot at 2nd…and they aren’t. It makes me think there’s more dealings in the works, involving Boog.
I’ll tell you what…I’ve never done this before but if Miles is still on this team on opening day I’m done.
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
Everybody take a breath...
It’s December.
Honi soit qui mal y pense.
by p_lampe on Dec 2, 2010 10:18 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
BUT THIS IS THE INTERNETS! CEROUS BIZNESS!
Brendan Ryan is still a St. Louis Cardinal.
Aaron Miles is not.
THERE IS NO BASEBALL IN DECEMBER
AND YOU PLEAD FOR SANITY? GOOD DAY, SIR.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
It's a lump of coal in the stocking.
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
by Dave Pendleton on Dec 2, 2010 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
A frequent trade partner is in the market for a Shortstop - Padres.
Brendan Ryan for Jarrett Hoffpauir straight up.
Wait.
i don't know what we could get in return for boog... or what we would be looking for in return.
hey Mo: theriot at 2B, boog at SS.
Just about to post this.
Their ’pen is incredibly deep. I just feel like the Pads would be more inclined to upgrade their offense more than anything.
Boog obviously does not fall into that category.
by The Classical on Dec 2, 2010 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
yes, because we sure raided it at the last trade!
oh wait.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I thought Hoff went to Japan, no?
I thought I told you to trim those sideburns!
by martimeryard on Dec 2, 2010 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
Hoff's whereabouts
October 6th, Padres claim Hoffpauir from Toronto
He’s listed on their active roster as well.
by The Classical on Dec 2, 2010 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
I don't know who I'm thinking of then
I thought I told you to trim those sideburns!
by martimeryard on Dec 2, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
Micah Hoffpauir is a Ham Fighter now.
I’m assuming that’s it.
by The Classical on Dec 2, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
yous goods, thanks
I thought I told you to trim those sideburns!
by martimeryard on Dec 2, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
Ham must be fought, and with extreme prejudice....
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
Oh yeah, well Foo me once...ummm, won't get Foo'ed again!
;=8)
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
25 Man Roster
Position Players
1) Pujols
2) Schumaker
3) Ryan
4) Freese
5) Theriot
6) Holliday
7) Rasmus
8) Jay
9) Craig
10) Molina
11) Backup Catcher
12) 5th OFer
13) 4th MIFer
Pitchers
1) Wainright
2) Carpenter
3) Garcia
4) Westbrook
5) Lohse
6) Franklin
7) Motte
8) McCellean
9) Boggs
10) Talbet
11) Miller
12) Swingman
So I don’t understand all the trade B Ryan talk. Since we are still one MIFer short.
Understand it or not, MO says he's gone.
I have a feeling that there’s gonna be a lot of “BOOG would’ve” comments next season, cause right now our middle infield looks like a giant hole of defensive suck.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Theriot is not that bad on D
He is a plus defender or at least average. You guys were all clamoring for Jason Bartlett a few days ago. Now he is a hole of sucky defense
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 2, 2010 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
At second. He played 26 games at short last year.
And don’t group me into the Bartlett bandwagon. I like my SS’s to be defensive wizards, myself.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
We'll need two MIF openings...
one for Miles and another for someone who can play the middle infield
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
Assuming we keep Ryan
We have 3 and need one more
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 2, 2010 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
Right...
I don’t think we really need anyone beyond those three… assuming TGreene will be lurking about. What we really need is a third sacker/corner outfielder/slugger off the bench… like this guy who is available via the rule 5.
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
that Marquez?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Been banging a drum for this guys for a while now...
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
He's gone way before we pick
the best 2 or 3 guys in the Rule 5 will likely go in the first 2 or 3 picks. Like Marquez.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 4, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Strauss, again.
…the Cardinals now focus on landing a backup to catcher Yadier Molina, another left-side infielder and perhaps an additional bat for the bench.
Brendan Ryan is still a St. Louis Cardinal.
Aaron Miles is not.
what ever happened to the 20 HR guy?
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Per Mo (via some people on here yesterday, I forget exactly who)
those are expected to be Craig and Freese.
Gonna be tough for Craig to hit 20 hr's
when he only gets 200 ab’s.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
Craig got plenty of ABs
when he was on the big club.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
I thought it was more about being on the small side of the L/R platoon
Than about trust. Batting only when the Cardinals play lefties, how many ABs could he expect? I really don’t know. That’s why I am asking.
Blessed are they who are pleasant to blog with....
33%, I think that the number that was quoted yesterday on LHP vs STL in 2010.
So that 200 AB is close.
Brendan Ryan is still a St. Louis Cardinal.
Aaron Miles is not.
I would hope he gets around 450PA
though TLR buys too much into splits.(colby’d)
hell if anything the lineup will have jay in center and craig in right vs. LHP
Colby'd?
I’d say the team saw more than 38 lefties.
Brendan Ryan is still a St. Louis Cardinal.
Aaron Miles is not.
Nick Stavinoah hit cleanup this year
your argument is invalid.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Craig wasn't on the roster then
And Stavinoah won’t be either.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
GOBs hate scabs too ya know
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
I'm just saying...
Crazy Tony does some crazy things.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
and that's pretty likely
if jay plays immensely over his head again, which i don’t see happening. i imagine the better hitter of the two will get the majority of the time. goold (i think?) reported that it probably wouldn’t be a strict platoon and that craig is expected to get more playing time. i don’t know if that’s from mo or tony or just speculation, though
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
I thought it was two?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Perhaps Mo was referring to the new interns in their Human Relations Dept.
by The Classical on Dec 2, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
this guy!
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2010/11/30/1845780/to-a-backup-catcher-signing-elsewhere#53203692
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
late to the party
but I’ll rec that.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
last I heard (if I recall correct)
“bringing in two 15-20 hr guys” is now the hope that Freeze and Craig can hit 15-20 hr
seriously
by jealousblues on Dec 2, 2010 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
A little disingenuous...
Not exactly bringing in when they were on the roster already. Maybe Yadira will hit 30.
I thought B. Anderson was this guy
…the Cardinals now focus on landing a backup to catcher Yadier Molina
Your 2011 St. Louis Cardinals: Rasmus 8, Jay/Craig 9, Pujols 3, Holliday 7, M Carpenter 5, Molina 2, Theriot 4, Ryan 6, pitcher
You thought wrong.
Why would we use a young player who will make the league minimum and produce when we can pay a veteran about $1MM to give us what will likely be as good or worse offensive production?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Dec 2, 2010 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
Sadly, this.
My first thought when I read that was backup catcher is obvious, right?
Brendan Ryan is still a St. Louis Cardinal.
Aaron Miles is not.
ah sarcasm
I love it (when I’m not the intended target)
Your 2011 St. Louis Cardinals: Rasmus 8, Jay/Craig 9, Pujols 3, Holliday 7, M Carpenter 5, Molina 2, Theriot 4, Ryan 6, pitcher
Now now....
This is a TLR team… you know darn well that it will be 12 position players and 13 pitchers.
Amaury Cazana for RF in 2011 - the legend will never die!
Where's Salas?
I don’t him as a swingman, more likely McClellan or Boggs act as a swingman….but I do see Salas making the team out of ST.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 2, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
mcclellan is potentially the best reliever in the pen
i wouldn’t make him the swing man
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
xFIP the last two seasons are pretty comparable to motte
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
eduardo sanchez has never thrown a pitch to a major league batter
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
are you saying that sanchez has a higher ceiling than anyone else in the 'pen?
i would be inclined to agree. but if i need a bullpen ace from one of the incumbents, it’s either motte or kmac
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
As I've stated before, I believe Descalso could actually surpass Skip's production if simply given the opportunity.
In all facets of the game – not with the glove exclusively.
by The Classical on Dec 2, 2010 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
no chance, he's not close to 30 yet
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
they call him
Dirty Dan
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i am more interested in him being on the roster than miles
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
a moment of silence for Blake Hawksworth
whose last act as a Cardinal was taking one for the team. in the face.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Good luck Blake.
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
by Dave Pendleton on Dec 2, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
what I want to know is
since he spilled his blood on enemy ground, does that mean we get to shuffle and pick another—
oh.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Would that be
a.) Towel,
b.) In bed, or
c.) both?
Ms Bitters (Invader Zim): Children, your performance was miserable. Your parents will all receive phone calls instructing them to love you less now.
mm.... technically, towel. because towels are multi-functional.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
This is all going to end with Jeter being are opening day second baseman.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
what's up with the scolds and grammar nazis today anyway?
(cue righteous indignation at the use of “nazi”)
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
i wasn't trying to be a jerk, just joking around there.
should i have put a smiley face?
/chill out, people
hey Mo: theriot at 2B, boog at SS.
zoomzoom just wants to fit in
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
This is the first pedantic note I've seen today
and I’m the ultimate pedant here. Of course, I don’t have time to read all these f’in comments, I’m BUSY today! So, I’m zzzz’ing through, looking for greenies and photos.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 2, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
OF ALL TIME
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
looking for greenies and photos
sounds like a baseball player, doesn’t it?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
who plays first?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
A representative from the St. Louis Wolves
by The Classical on Dec 2, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
i should really go down there sometime
http://www.wildcanidcenter.org/Home/default.htm
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I'm going to assume this dog is listening to Duran Duran.
by The Classical on Dec 2, 2010 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
that's pretty epic
all the more reason for me to visit
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
is that a Nano??
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
sometimes, in his all-consuming quest to state the obvious in asinine ways, BJ Rains says what we're all thinking
Theriot thrilled not to be running on Molina
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Next Rains headline, "Theriot likes playing baseball."
After that, “Theriot doesn’t care for being kicked in the groin.”
by dronemc on Dec 2, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
it is pretty hilarious that Yadi has been gunning him down since A-ball
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I was gonna bring that up
The outs he runs into are gonna be reduced by 80%.
what a dumb fucking article
he didn’t even tell us how bad he is at stealing against molina – i was hoping for a stat… but then i forgot its bj “fuck me if i write anything useful” rains….
The senior baseball writer for Sports Illustrated just tweeted this:
dont know where this rumor got going, but the #dodgers will tender loney a contract. 88 RBI minimum last 3 yrs.
As if someone having 88 or more RBI in each of the last three seasons is a reason to tender them a contract. He has been a below-average offensive player for each of the last two seasons, regardless of his RBI totals. Playing first base and being below average on offense is not a good combination. I’m not saying that L.A. should non-tender Loney, but I am saying that they shouldn’t bring him back because of his RBI totals.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
He's not below average
He is a run above average. BIG difference. Not like the dodgers can afford anyone while in the midst of their ownership breakup.
by lopey986 on Dec 2, 2010 11:11 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I complete misread his '09 number. He was above average.
Last season, though, he was below league-average in wOBA at .315.
That, and his SLG is following a trend similar to Schumaker’s.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Dec 2, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
Alex: "you wagered a buck. Alright. Ok."
“And your answered…. Futter. Buck Futter… Very clever Mr. Connery”
Sean: “You like THAT, don’t ya Trebek?”
Amaury Cazana for RF in 2011 - the legend will never die!
Chicago blogger's news item
Check out The Riot on Baseball-Reference.com
Number 1 in batting similarity score is guess who.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/theriry01.shtml
yesterday's thread.
but we’ll cut you some slack if you weren’t here yesterday.
hey Mo: theriot at 2B, boog at SS.
It's been in every thread this week, I think.
Brendan Ryan is still a St. Louis Cardinal.
Aaron Miles is not.
yep.
some from last week, during the speculation phase.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Big Z?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
no trade clause
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
since we seem to be the caretakers of this meme
(not even gdm chimes in with the moon gif anymore)
ok if I refer to it as the Seattle litany?
collectively, and in a glossary-like way.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I thought Seattle was already in there.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
speaking of the glossary
has that been updated at all in a while?
hey Mo: theriot at 2B, boog at SS.
hopefully next month i'll have my wings back
which moon are you talking about? the moon over my hammy’s or the bad moon rising?
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
the man landed on the moon one
I thought it was you, but I could be wrong
it was kind of large, though. VEB kind of chokes on that
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
...
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Dec 2, 2010 10:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Your argument is invalid
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
...
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
just because i can't whip it out & shove everyone
doesn’t make it invalid. fact is it’s still bigger
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
idk...
columbus wasn’t ranked very high on that study…
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
good thing i don't live there
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
OMG
how have I never seen that before?? That is hilarious. Too bad its cut off on the right side (at least in my browser).
by ArkansasTravs on Dec 3, 2010 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
right click on it to open it in a new tab
or just go to the the main page & click on the wide view & you should be able to see it
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Amazing powers of observation.
I thought I told you to trim those sideburns!
by martimeryard on Dec 2, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
I actually hadn't the think until now
but I see how one may derive the douche-ness from my comment.
I thought I told you to trim those sideburns!
by martimeryard on Dec 2, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
I believe this is the fourth or fifth reference
don’t make us add it to the Seattle litany.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Replacing Brendan Ryan with Ryan Theriot isn’t going to ruin this team, although it does make it much less fun to watch.
I enjoy watching the hometown team win as much as anyone, but I really love watching the ball fire out of the shortstop origami that Boog turned himself into in order to get to it.
Singles are fun. Situationally, they’re game changers. Watching your shortstop stand on his head and make the play over and over again is jaw-dropping. I know I’m over-rating defense, but I don’t care. For me watching baseball is more fun with a defensive wizard at short.
Gonna miss that kid.
Too stupid and sissy-like to say that you want out.
You make the eyes of a million girls and think you'll make them shout.
by The Continental on Dec 2, 2010 11:10 AM EST reply actions
I tend to feel the same way
But Ozzie smith and Jim Edmonds are probably my 2 all time favorite cardinals and the 2 guys I tried (and failed miserably) to be on the ball field as a kid so I’m probably a little biased towards sweet defenders.
Ryan is getting the shaft from the organization and it sucks, but it’s not like if they trade brendan Ryan the team will crumble and Ryan will become an all pro shortstop, so I’ll live.
by lopey986 on Dec 2, 2010 11:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
you know what, fuck that
i hope they crumble if they trade him
maybe they’ll learn something
i am tired of this whole garbage collection we have going on – we have a Pujols and a Holliday, and a Rasmus who we treat as an outcast, two Aces plus two half aces, the best defensive catcher and we surround them with a couple of inexperienced, fragile, barely out of AAA guys and a whole lot of garbage. then refuse to change the pitch to contact strategy but suck out all the defense we have in the infield?!? fuck this. this needs to stop
and i hope Boog in a different jersey finds his swing and bats around .300 again and .350 against us
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
Ok...stop right there.
Go find another team.
Are we going to get 4 months of this? I get that you and others are very upset, but really now, wanting the team to suck because Brendan Ryan might not be on the roster?
Brendan Ryan is still a St. Louis Cardinal.
Aaron Miles is not.
I believe she had other items on the list.
this is exactly when the venting needs to happen. otherwise it’ll go down like Ludwick — everybody was told STFU, so that only extended the muttering.
my advice … let it happen. if you don’t like it, come back in a week. but putting it off just prolongs it.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
are you kidding me?
you think the Brendan Ryan thing is the only thing?
i would gladly give up one season of utter humiliation if that would mean that the FO will get its head out of its ass and would crawl out from under Larussa’s foot. or would you rather we continue with another half decade of painful mediocrity until larussa gets his hof numbers while we waste what we have left of the good holliday, waiwright, and pujols, assuming mozeliak manages to resign them at all…
how the hell are you not upset?!?!
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
Because it's December 2nd.
Spring Training is 10 weeks away. The season is 4 months away. My apologies for not blowing a gasket.
Another half decade of painful mediocrity? Were you a fan in 1988-1995? Or 1969-1980? Otherwise, you know very little about this team being mediocre.
TLR has been here 15 years. In that period, the Cardinals have been in the playoffs 8 times. Six of those times, they made the LCS. Twice they made the Series.
I don’t like all of his machinations and quirks, but to call any part of his tenure painful mediocrity is an outright lie.
Brendan Ryan is still a St. Louis Cardinal.
Aaron Miles is not.
how interesting that it's okay for you to have an opinion
but not anyone else
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i am not calling larussa mediocre
i predict mediocrity in the future with this roster construction until he retires and the fo finally feels free to replace players like skip schumaker and not acquire players like aaron miles
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
...
TLR has been here 15 years. In that period, the Cardinals have been in the playoffs 8 times. Six of those times, they made the LCS. Twice they made the Series.
Means absolutely nothing towards La Russa’s ability as a manager. I think most teams would be successful with Pujols, Edmonds, Rolen, McQuire, an amazing pitching coach and a 100 million dollar payroll.
I think that La Russa was probably once a good manager, but for the last few years he’s been mediocre, last year he was absolutely terrible, and I think he will be just as bad this year.
So if his managerial record is irrelevent....
…then cow do you calibrate TLR’s 15 yer performance with the Cards? Just asking because I don’t see a lot out there beyond his record, hie tenure with the club, and his overall popularity among players. Not really much to quantify. Failing that, use what you’ve got, no?
:=8/
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
So if we don't have good numbers, use bad ones?
I mean, okay, his record tells us something but it’s hard to know what without a basis for comparions.
question is the answer
are you the same person you were 15 years ago?
know any 65 yo guys worth more than 50 yo guys at anything?
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
Just making something clear
know any 65 yo guys worth more than 50 yo guys at anything
Are you asking if there are 65 year olds who are better than 50 year olds and a certain task?
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Uh, having a pujols and Holliday and 2 aces
Is exactly why we have random rag tags filling out the roster. Root for the yankees if you want to question roster construction without considering the cost of said roster. Otherwise, realize the cardinals aren’t going to push their budget over 100 mil and it’s gonna be damn hard to put together a deep and talented roster when you have such studs as Holliday and pujols and the ace pitchers (and Kyle lohse) sucking up the majority of payroll.
Rooting for the team to fail because you dislike larussa (he’s quirky and doesnt follow new school metrics of player valuation, huge surprise considering he’s been coaching for 30 years) is just dumb.
by lopey986 on Dec 2, 2010 2:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
oh jesus fuckin christ
if it’s utter failure that’s what it takes for the FO to wake up and stop making stupid moves then so be it! we’ll be better for it
and tell me, if you have a say tyler greene on the back burner, why do you need to downgrade your infield defensively at the cost of 2.6 million if you can fill the spot in-house with about the same result for way less and use that 2.6 mil better in another spot?
why do you tie up another 2.7!!! million in a second baseman that clearly is a horrible second baseman and you make him untouchable just because someone thinks he’s a good guy? that’s absolutely irrational
i’ve been one of the most outspoken about giving tlr a break but he has no business in the front office
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
point us to someone stating that schumaker is untouchable, please
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
That loser?
;=8)
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
I do - sarcasm for the sake of humor.
:=8)
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
i don't like this game anymore
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
BS, there is a difference between being the Yankees and having a competent front office
Replacing Ryan with Theriot costs us both money and wins.
you don't know this
You do not know what they will receive in return for Ryan.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Hmm, yeah
I’m sure that we will get a splendid return for a 30 year old coming off of a season in which he batted .223 with 3 home runs in nearly 500 PA.
For that matter, you do not know. . .
that starting Theriot at SS instead of Ryan will cost wins:
YEAR: RIOT WAR BOOG WAR*
2007: 1.4 N/A
2008: 3.1 0.6
2009: 2.3 3.9
2010: 0.0 1.0
- - Roughly extrapolated to match Theriot’s playing time.
As I’ve said several times, I don’t really like converting UZR to WAR, because I don’t think it is an accurate conversion for several reasons (i.e. a a coaching staff’s ability to position players well, players “pairing” with their neighbors in the defensive spectrum, etc.), but by using the defensive WAR values that all of you Boogophiles like to quote, Boog is simply not a great bet to deliver more value than The Riot.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Dec 2, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
Fun with projections
Bill James projected wOBA:
Boog = .288
Theriot = .307
That translates to a difference of 10 runs over a full season, which I’d say is about the difference in defensive talent, so they are projected around the same (although with our heavy groundball staff the difference in their defensive value will be greater).
But I’m not talking about Boog vs. Theriot, I’m talking about Boog vs. Skip vs. Theriot. Boog and Theriot are clearly the better of the two, thus should be starting.
Watching Brendan Ryan play D was probably my third favorite
thing to watch this past season. The first was watching A.D.A.M. pitch, then Pujols hit, then Ryan’s D. If we can upgrade by dealing him, I’m okay with it — but I really doubt our ability to do that.
Regarding Boog
Someone mentioned it yesterday (I think it was Y2S – apologies for paraphrasing) – in essence, he’s being traded because of what the press doesn’t know or been made aware of – that X factor.
Things we know – he’s got attention-deficit, his hitting was crap last year, it (possibly) bled into his defense/throwing motion a tad.
Things we don’t know – is he tardy on a consistent basis, does his personality grate on other (more important) players on the team to the point of uncomfortableness, have those teammates complained to the manager/FO, does he constantly try to redirect blame/have an excuse for (insert issue at hand)?
There could be much more to the story that won’t come out until after he’s traded, if ever. Yes, he’s a great defensive talent, and yes, I’d like to see him remain on the team because of that, but if there’s off-the-field issues going on that perhaps the Cardinals have grown tired of… maybe they feel like they can improve the team’s chemistry/focus (getting everyone on the same page) even if it comes at the cost of losing some defensive talent.
Or maybe Mo’s still pissed about the honking incident from last spring training (Boog and Bombs Show). Point is, as fans, we only know what we can see from watching the games and what we’re told by the media, and I’d wager that those things combined might be 25% of the whole picture.
Amaury Cazana for RF in 2011 - the legend will never die!
that was more prophetjohn
I was saying there might be an x factor, but because it’s unknown, we don’t know it. er. yah. it’s speculation.
as much as that’s a possibility, it makes more sense to explore the factors we do know, like the completely understandable obsession over Skip Schumaker.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
but I'm sure the absence of Brendan Ryan will free the team up to improve its baserunning.
we just added Ryan Theriot, after all!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
at least we'll still have our fastest runner
..oh wait..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
It's entirely possible that this move was made on the basis of increasing aggregate team hotness.
I know Skip is pretty universally thought to be smokin’ by the ladies. Not sure about Ryan, but I can’t imagine the wispy moustache helped.
There's a woman on my softball team obsessed with Theriot
And she’s about the butchest lesbian you’ve ever seen. I’m not sure what to conclude.
by Andyfantastic on Dec 2, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
i am told the correct answer is Orlando Bloom
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I agree
We can never assume “x” factors. They may very well exist. And bringing them to light should not happen when trying to trade a player. But you can’t assume any of those. Which is why I hate it when people assume that everything is TLRs fault.
You really don’t know on stuff like that. So don’t assume.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Agreed on Skip =)
I guess I’m just willing to see how it all plays out before I get too seriously worked up. Maybe this is just the first of many dominoes. There’s still the possibility of making Albert a lifelong Cardinal for a reasonable amount of years/dollars.
And apologies to prophetjohn for the paraphrasing.
Amaury Cazana for RF in 2011 - the legend will never die!
Hey now.....
That kind of talk is not allowed around here. This board knows everything, and they know best.
I agree. You can crunch the “WAR” numbers all you want, but there is more to team sports than that. Chemistry. Fielding a complete team. I know basketball is a different monster, but look at Lebron and Wade failing so far. They don’t mix. Their games don’t compliment each other. I have no problem with Ryan, but if this team can play a SS that will produce, in total, about the same, but do it with maybe more offense and less defense, that can benefit the team if they need offensive improvement.
Then, like was mentioned, Ryan might be a head case. We don’t know.
I agree.
Basketball is such a different monster that it is a different species of monster. It’s like comparing The Walking Dead zombies to the smoke cloud in Lost. Basketball requires much more interaction from players to be successful on offense and defense than baseball, which is by and large a sport of individual achievement. So, let us never use a basketball metaphor to explain baseball chemistry again.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Dec 2, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
just got back into the basement
and i’m shocked fourstick didn’t find this.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Speaking of quadrod
where has he been? Did he march off in a huff when the Crads failed to make the ps? Or is he laying low until the hot stove really heats up?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 2, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
posted today
you just didn’t notice because it wasn’t 3,000 words.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Dec 2, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
To me it is quite obvious that B Ryan is being shopped for an undisclosed, issue. I have my ideas, but I don’t think I should post such hypotheses.
The St. Louis Cardinals- 11 time World Champions!
I'll say it
Rape, murder, arson, and rape.
by _pistol_ on Dec 2, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I like rape
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
by albrtfn on Dec 3, 2010 2:13 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Blazing Saddles reference, gets a rec.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
wait it's a movie reference?
and i was just about to complain it was offensive..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
Oh FFS.....
d-dee, go get this movie now.
/disclaimer…..it’s probably offensive to a lot of people.
here’s a taste.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Offensive to a lot of people?
It’s probably offensive to just about anyone, but funny as hell.
by ArkansasTravs on Dec 3, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
...
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
blazing saddles
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
i don't believe you
not until it’s in your sig.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Here here(hear hear?)
We are the suck at picking first round shortstops
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 2, 2010 11:36 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
yankees!
one and done for over a decade
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Just noticed Preston Wilson was drafted as SS in that draft
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 2, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
he did have a cannon for an arm.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
and, interestingly, a trebuchet for a penis.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 4, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
I would check to see if Rule 34 applies here,
but I’m at work, and they have policies against doing that sort of thing, too.
Ms Bitters (Invader Zim): Children, your performance was miserable. Your parents will all receive phone calls instructing them to love you less now.
I don't know if they're good at that or not...
…but the Rays could possibly have 11 draft picks in the 1st and sandwich round.
The bastards.
Amaury Cazana for RF in 2011 - the legend will never die!
Thought I came here and posted a question to you all
Would you have traded Yadier Molina after his .216/ .274 / .321 season?
I am sure the Walrus can play RF...
Boog for Starting Shortstop in 2011!
depends on the return
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
to replace him with whom?
no, same reason i wouldn’t trade carp right now. there’s no replacement
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
(pssst. he's trying to make a rhetorical point about Brendan Ryan.)
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I see you have paid attention in class
I am sure the Walrus can play RF...
Boog for Starting Shortstop in 2011!
i'm just impressed with myself
for spelling ‘rhetorical’ correctly
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Yadier Molina was 23
Brendan Ryan is 28
I’m sure if yadi hit that same line in 2007 he would’ve been shopped.
It's all about context.
I wouldn’t have, but it depends on what we would be replacing him with. If we could get a slightly older, more expensive, short, white “clubhouse guy” who has no power, is slightly worse at defense, and is coming off an offensive season strikingly similar to Yadi’s, then no.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Dec 2, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
Well the trade isn't done yet
The way I see it this is basically a package deal. Hawksworth and Ryan for Theriot and whoever we get in exchange for Ryan. I’ll evaluate it then.
This might be the most griping I’ve ever seen over losing a shortstop who hit 250. You’d think we were losing pujols.
by lopey986 on Dec 2, 2010 2:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
it's not about his hitting
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 2, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
You're aware that Theriot had a .270 BA and .286 wOBA with a .305 BABIP
while Ryan had a .223 BA and .256 wOBA with a .253 BABIP, right. If Boog had posted a league-average BABIP like Theriot basically did, their offensive lines would be quite similar. I believe Ryan is a better bounceback bet than Theriot. Theriot’s wOBA has declined for three straight years, as has his power. So, I would rather keep Ryan and his top-flight glove at SS than importing Theriot who is about average defensively.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Dec 2, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
no one bounces around like the cajun
unless the verdict was in
wrong side of the mountain
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
But,
wOBA fails to factor the effects of etoufe and jambalaya. Who we really need is Tony Chachere.
nice
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 2, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
so
it looks like goold’s newest artcile mostly corroborates what joe strauss was saying about the boog situation. goold is credible, right?
The Cardinals sought to upgrade their middle infield offensively but also to rewire the clubhouse chemistry, and Theriot has the ability to do both.
Whether Ryan’s extroverted personality and occasional antics still fit the team is now uncertain. Ryan has gained a reputation for being flighty, one that he’s overcome with some teammates but hasn’t helped with memorable gaffes, such as being late to the field this past season in Cincinnati with Chris Carpenter on the mound.
not as explicit, but i still think all signs point to boog being replaced and moved for off-field reasons
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the Cardinals have let teams know that he is "available"
Has this been mentioned above? I’m at work and can’t stroll through the whole thing. I’m starting lose faith in Mo, and our FO.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
with a shitload of comments, I don't think it's a bad thing to post something twice
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 2, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
this says nothing
it rehashes the i-didn’t-think-the-top-of-the-first-will-take-less-than-3-seconds incident
and tells us he’s adhd
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
he's being made available because he has a bad reputation in the clubhouse
you guys really need to take off your boog colored glasses.
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by prophetjohn on Dec 2, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
um, so does colby rasmus
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
do i need to spell out the difference?
colby is 24, coming off a 3.5 WAR season, making the league minimum and trending upward. they’re not really comparable situations
come on, d-dee. you’re an intelligent person
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but really
the point is that people didn’t believe me that boog was being traded at least in part because of clubhouse issues based on the fact that i was quoting joe strauss. now i’m quoting derrick goold who has a better reputation on this site
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that's not what we were saying, and I need glasses to see, jerk.
your extra assertion is that it’s bad enough to make him a clubhouse cancer. this has absolutely no backing that we can see.
meanwhile, there are plenty of possible signs of a group of people complaining about his behavior, and perhaps lobbying to kick him out.
insisting that this is all just favoritism and which writer said it makes no sense, as several people expended a lot of energy discussing how stupid the rationale was. if we thought it wasn’t the truth, why would we discuss it, again?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
meanwhile, there are plenty of possible signs of a group of people complaining about his behavior, and perhaps lobbying to kick him out.
how is this not what i’m saying?
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I personally wish the Cardinal players start acting like
Professionals
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 2, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
it would be cool if we weren't having this conversation, sure
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this
everyone else shows up to work and puts up with people they don’t like. why shouldn’t people that are paid many magnitude more dollars act even more professional?
makes them seem like babies.
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 2, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
in the same sense
you can’t show up at my work and pull of some of the antics that professional athletes are known for and expect to continue working here.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
that's true, but these guys need to be more professional and not let boog's antsiness get to them
what, are they 70 years old? oh yeah, tony
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 2, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
Boog shouldn't get a pass for his antics if everyone else needs to be more professional.
Brendan Ryan is still a St. Louis Cardinal.
Aaron Miles is not.
yeah, but he just doesn't seem like a negative presence
if they do well next season though, I will get over it. but every time I see a run that could have been saved, I will shake my fist. Theriot will need to have a great season to make up for the dumb move. I just don’t see Brendan Ryan being that big of a disruption. in fact, he should help the team have more fun, which imo is their problem. getting suck of the totalitarian approach, and good players getting run out of town.
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 2, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
Seem...in short doses on TV
The full Boog effect could be very tiresome.
We’re all limited to about 4 hours each day during the season. The team gets it in a heavier dose. Our perception could be a case of SSS.
Brendan Ryan is still a St. Louis Cardinal.
Aaron Miles is not.
according to my observations
even the nicest people get really annoying at times if you have to spend tons of time with them
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
this
you have to manage your own feelings, you are your own boss, in the professional world.
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 2, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
fair enough
I was in a band where the drummer was really bossy and negative, so I left.
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 2, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
because that doesn't mean we "don't believe you"
you’re implying that culpability is only on Brendan Ryan. that’s he’s SO bad that he can’t be on the team anymore. that there’s got to be something, because it’s way too illogical!
there is nothing to back that up. it’s pure speculation.
there is plenty to back up that these people are DOING ILLOGICAL THINGS. there is a long history of their purported “rationale”, so your argument that “this is too illogical. it must be something else!” is not backed up by the constant historical evidence.
this does not mean that we spent all that time disagreeing with the basic premise of the news.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
you're sitting there mocking people for what we didn't even say.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i'm pretty clearly not mocking anybody
i’ve made a concerted effort to put forth a peaceful and conversation-conducive tone. if you’re getting that impression, i suspect it’s because you’re upset.
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eh, possible verb fail
I don’t know what to call this
come on, d-dee. you’re an intelligent person
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i call it an attempt to appeal to reason
there are certain people i wouldn’t even bother with. if i’m engaging you at length, or allowing you to engage me at length, take that to mean i respect your intelligence.
and i’ll have you know that i had several permutations of that last comment typed out trying to find the most PC way of phrasing it that i could while still conveying the meaning i could. i thought i did a good job. point still remains, that comparing trading boog for personality reasons to trading colby for personality reasons is not something i expect to hear out of certain people
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impossible
i am neither intelligent, nor reasonable
i should have made clear i was isolating player performance from personality in this case because it seemed like you suggested personality was the only reason for giving boog the boot
but i do know we mean the same thing i am just arguing for the hell of it
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
by d-dee on Dec 2, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
then i've done a poor job of explaining my point
i never meant to imply anything like this:
culpability is only on Brendan Ryan. that’s he’s SO bad that he can’t be on the team anymore.
what i mean is that people with more pull than him have gotten sick of him to the point that they demanded he be gone
what i am saying is illogical is that john mozeliak, long time boog fan, is replacing and trading his pet for no reason other than on-field production issues. that is what i think is illogical. i absolutely do not think that sound reasoning on the part of carp/pujols/TLR/etc led to this. i don’t agree with the idea of trading boog. especially if it’s for such silly reasons as a teammate being annoyed by him. all i’m saying is that when albert pujols doesn’t like a complementary piece and demands that he’s gone, you’re left with few options and reason isn’t really withstanding
perhaps we’re agreeing, but we don’t know it because we’re using different words?
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by prophetjohn on Dec 2, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
do they play the swelling music in this part of the movie?
I think the misunderstanding is
1. when you say “clubhouse problems”, that means, to most people, there is an off-field issue on the level of Scott Spiezio
1b. which there might be, though of course I hope not
2.
you guys really need to take off your boog colored glasses.
3. and this
2 and 3 had nothing to do with what I was saying. not speaking for anyone else. I am going to correct that every time I see that, in case someone doesn’t want to read hundreds of comments to find out that it’s not what was said.
conclusion: none of this would have happened if you’d just said “doghouse.”
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
1. no, nothing like speizio
nothing like colby, nothing like lopez. like this:
the sad part
is that it’s not like he’s a bastard or anything. he’s that over eager friend that everybody has had, who has nothing but the best intentions, but still rubs everyone the wrong way
2. well, in my defense when it seems like everyone is saying i’m wrong for claiming that boog is being traded for reasons other than production issues, it appears that way
3. you in particular told me i wasn’t looking at all the variables and that “boog being traded at least in part because of clubhouse doghouse issues” made no logical sense
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yes, but I never said that it wasn't happening.
I probably went away for part of that discussion, which makes it a little disconnected. on the other hand, there would not be this outcry if we didn’t already think that Boog’s being shopped for reasons other than production issues. so i’m not sure how to go from that to “we don’t believe the prophet. no way is he a real prophet.”
I think perhaps you didn’t make clear that you weren’t happy with the inevitability of it. or something like that. possibly “clubhouse cancer” is too much of a loaded word in baseball, generally.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
my opinion of it wasn't the point
and i don’t remember who said what, i was battling, like, 5 different people. i know i was told that i was appealing to authority by quoting joe strauss. it seemed clear at the time that people were challenging my opinion of the reasons for boog being shopped
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...
what i mean is that people with more pull than him have gotten sick of him to the point that they demanded he be gone
I don’t believe this is true.
okay
well, i think it’s the most logical explanation and i’ve provided arguments explaining why
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Nothing in the quotes from Gould or Strauss suggest that anyone has actively demanded he be gone
And, based on the fact that Ryan’s attitude is mild compared to many other notorious clubhouse cancers who have not been demanded to be traded, and the fact that really no player in the history of the game has ever demanded a teammate be traded – I think you’re just dead wrong here.
This is Mo combining stupidity and deference to Tony, as usual.
man i love your facts
no player in the history of the game has ever demanded a teammate be traded
cool stuff. felipe lopez, boston red sock extraordinaire, would like a word with you
maybe it is solely tony, though. point being, mo is a boog fan. he’s being traded due to off the field issues
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john mozeliak made evident that they have contacted teams about him
and are actively shopping him
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of course i am not comparing ryan and rasmus as players
only as personalities. they are constantly in the doghouse
there are cliques in the clubhouse, everyone knows that
but personality conflicts ALONE are not a reason to kick a player out, otherwise by the same logic, colby would be out the door too
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
Dear Cardinals:
“I don’t like your face” is not the best way to run a club.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 2, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
+1
apparently they want an all-business, no fun clubhouse. you have a fun personality, you’re out. that is not a good way to run an organization.
hey Mo: theriot at 2B, boog at SS.
that's more than likely not true
but they should want a clubhouse that knows when to have fun, and when to shut up and be all-business
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
I don't think that Prophetjon is trying to say...
that his various gaffes, personality conflicts, etc… is the only reason for his possible demise from the team. Just another reason.
but, i can’t speak for him.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
he’s being made available because he has a bad reputation in the clubhouse
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
The context of the discussion was "in part" because of the clubhouse issue.
Not solely, even if the qualifier wasn’t explicitly mentioned in that post.
what he said ^
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
“and also he’s not very good at hitting a baseball”
I would venture a guess as that being the other part of the reason why he might be leaving.
Always late to the party
i think that was the tipping point
where mo lost the argument
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yesterday's discussion.
it has come back
for another Halloween
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i don't think
personality conflicts are a good reason to kick someone out. but if albert pujols gives you and ultimatum: “me or this 2-WAR-true-talent-player”, you appease albert pujols, whether his argument is grounded in reason or not
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that's why albert pujols should be resigned immediately
so his impending extension has no weight on decisions that should be made solely by the FO
he should be a first baseman, hit the hell out of the ball and stop being a factor in all of the club’s roster moves
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
if this turns out to be true
think of the great things it does for Albert’s legacy.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I bet a lot of players are that entitled
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Dec 2, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
his name is vivaelpujols
of course he knows
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
your fooling yourself
if you don’t think albert doesn’t occasionally weigh-in on personnel decisions
besides
it’s not the specific player that’s the point. albert pujols is the placeholder here, but it could be one of about 4 different players. it ain’t adam wainwright and i doubt it’s yadi
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If you look closely at recent pics of Boog
you can see the word “Samsonite” imprinted backwards on his forehead.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 2, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
hmmm...
maybe “well, yes” would have come across better. =)
One writes more sensationally, while the other typically backs up his points with statistical evidence. VEB, on the whole, tends to stand on the side of statistical evidence. In that sense, of course we take what Strauss says with a grain of salt.
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and that's understandable
i made clear at the time that i was basing my opinion of the situation off of what strauss says and that if people didn’t believe my source, they should disregard what i was saying. i thought it fit better than any of the other possible reasons that i could come up with, so i believed what he said
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Oh, I believe that he was traded because of clubhouse issues
But I believe those issues are a weak post hoc justification for Mo letting Tony have his will.
i believe it was for cookies.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
He hasn't been traded yet
can we not use the past tense until he’s acutally out the door?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 2, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
thank you!
this whole time i have been wondering who the hell he got traded to and what we got for it. and secretly hoping it was the diamondbacks.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Boog is not even close to being the kind of player colby is/ can be.
he’s all glove no bat kind of guy. there’s like 3 guys that are FAs that could do the same thing that boog’s doing.
truthfully...and i HEART boog...but tyler greene has power potential that boog simply doesn't have
and is pretty darn good with the glove himself. a boog-greene MIF would actually be pretty awesome
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
You know, I wondered if a contributing factor here
was that they (Mo, TLR, whoever) believed that Greene would be able, in 2012 if not in 2011, be able to provide the same overall value as Brendan and at league minimum and that made Boog expendable.
Now, I’m more leaning toward a bad confluence of a very poor 2010 at the plate and folks getting tired of his schtick as being the greater contributors to the decision (not that I think these are valid reasons).
by ArkansasTravs on Dec 3, 2010 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
i highly doubt that
Tyler Greene is not thought of very highly in the organization or he would have more 238 career plate appearances…
Yeah,
that’s mostly why I changed my mind.
I’m just hoping that Mo’s later comments (can’t remember where I read them now) indicate that he’s not necessarily set on trading Brendan, but will if the right offer comes along. If there was some way they could package Ryan with a BP arm (or two) or Jay and get Kelly Johnson or his equivalent, I’d be happy with that.
by ArkansasTravs on Dec 3, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think that it's been established that Boog is a significant detriment to the clubhouse atmosphere
I mean c’mon, the game is full of headcases and egomaniacs (TLR being one of them). Boog’s ADHD induced spaceyness is tame, and is not a legimate reason to replace him.
bingo
we have a winner
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 2, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
maybe it's the sum of all the parts
maybe when you add his not great offense, the fact they think he won’t bounce back offensively, spaciness, and who knows what else that they haven’t brought forth, it then becomes necessary to trade him.
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hey man
do me a favor real quick. read my posts, gain an understanding of my argument and if at that point, you’re so inclined, respond to me. kind of sick of arguing points that i didn’t make
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FWIW
i agree with you that your conclusions, based on known media figures who have infinitely more access to inside information than we do, are logical conclusions. i also think you bolstered your argument by quoting goold. i think some of us (myself included) are disinclined to believe those could be possibilities simply because we don’t want it to be true.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
especially at a cost likely to exceed 2.5M
is rt the best place to spend an extra several million bucks?
my guess, not likely
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
BUT HE's NOT QUOTING
ANYONE IT MUST BE LIES
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Dec 2, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
in this case, not "lies", per se
but that blurb cost Goold some reputation, in my eyes. He’s the best writer in STL, but that was opinion dressed as fact, same as the Strauss crap that was posted yesterday.
you know that sportswriters can't publicly say who said they have a problem with boog
otherwise they will be shunned by the players?… how is this opinion if someone told him this, but they demanded he must not be named?
is there really no chance that someone told him and strauss as long as their name was not mentioned?
its getting annoying how everyone expects the sports writers such as goold or strauss to quote players or club sources when the only reason they got that info in the first place was because they didn’t want to be named….
A quotation need not be attributed to be journalistically evidential,
for the very reasons you put forward. But a quotation and a context (e.g., a date) allow the reader to judge whether what was said bears the interpretation the writer put on it.
The journalist’s job is to provide facts, not interpretation, the fundamental convention of the genre is that what’s presented is fact, and it’s dishonest to present interpretation in a context where fact is expected.
The Mang does more than Milton can
To justify God's ways to man.
But the generalizations presented by Strauss and Goold
could be facts or based on facts. Someone may have said “Yea, Boog’s a real pain, he rubs everyone the wrong way. Don’t quote me on that.” Even if unattributed, do you think that player is going to like to see his exact words in the paper? Depending on the “quote” it might not have to be attributed to identify the player. Providing dates could also identify a source.
Reporters have to protect sources. If they don’t, they no longer have sources.
by ArkansasTravs on Dec 3, 2010 1:09 AM EST up reply actions
and there is no way in hell you or I, in the positions we are in, can
say whether that is true or false as if it is a fact
Yes
The assertion gains credibility – although I’d be happier if Goold had been able to quote a teammate (and I’d be content with an anonymous quote).
And as a matter of fact I agree that boog’s being shopped for off-field reasons; but I look farther off than the Cards clubhouse: I suspect it is he rather than Schu being shopped because Mo doesn’t believe he can get any takers for Schu.
The Mang does more than Milton can
To justify God's ways to man.
haha
somehow I don’t doubt that this kind of logic pervades the FO: “Boy, that Skip Schumaker is so bad that no other team could possibly want him. Better make him the starting 2B and try to trade someone else.”
Just kidding, I’m 100% sure that’s not how the FO thinks (well…98%. 97 maybe…)
boog's even acknowledging some hiccups... and the cards still want to let him go.
Manager Tony La Russa has, in the past, described how Ryan had to prove his reliability and maturity to his teammates before establishing himself as an everyday player.
“I think I give him gray hairs,” Ryan conceded, "but we get along. Maybe it’s something I do in the clubhouse, maybe I need to be less out there, or maybe it’s a ball he doesn’t want me to throw from that deep in the hole. I’m able to salvage things though by making a play up the middle. I think he respects my passion for the game and the energy I bring.
“From the other side of it, though, I get why they’d like to see more consistency from me,” Ryan continued. “They want more consistent quality at-bats. I know I need to let my success on the field speak the loudest.”
hey Mo: theriot at 2B, boog at SS.
KEEP BRENDAN RYAN.
the sad part
is that it’s not like he’s a bastard or anything. he’s that over eager friend that everybody has had, who has nothing but the best intentions, but still rubs everyone the wrong way
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
Link to your quotes please, zz.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Goold's article
Ryan wants to stay with Cardinals
Brendan Ryan is still a St. Louis Cardinal.
Aaron Miles is not.
the whole situation is a bummer.
I like Brendan’s personality. He seems passionate about the game. He’s fun to watch as a fan. Also, he is a wonderful fielder. Miserable hitter in 2010, but a bit of bounceback seems somewhat probable. So he will be quite a useful player.
Trading him seems to mitigate much of the benefit that we would see from the Theriot addition. Where we would have several interchangeable (albeit somewhat expensive) pieces. We’d now have the two most average, most expensive combo. Even if Boog plays bench player, removing him eliminates much flexibility. It just doesn’t seem like the right decisions are being made in this instance.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
and millions (yes, millions) of dollars!!!
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
how interesting that he doesn't even know what it is that rubs people the wrong way
which means, most likely, that nobody bothered to tell him what to do to correct the behavior that might get him kicked off the team.
GREAT COACHING JOB, GUYS.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Or maybe he's been told, but the message hasn't gotten through
/devil’sadvocate
Brendan Ryan is still a St. Louis Cardinal.
Aaron Miles is not.
from what i undestand adhd needs regular coaching to be managed best
and he probably isn’t getting that
so he probably doesn’t know he’s doing it
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
exactly.
it was alarming to hear Oquendo describe him as “uncoachable”. when as I’ve noted before, he eliminated his mistakes in 2009, game by game.
your job as coach is to never give up on a player.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
And that's why team TLR has never given up on Miles.
Or anyone who has a passing resemblance to him.
they're all the same person
aaahhhhhh
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Maybe we are underestimating how annoying Ryan is
He could be that guy that drives everyone at work up the wall
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 2, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
we should figure out how the pFAWAR balances out against WAR
is there a point where production cannot out-pace annoyingness?
even then, it doesn’t pass the eye test. he would have to reach Flip-levels for it to look reasonable
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
but you still go to work and get the job done
instead of bitching about how someone is annoying to you
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 2, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
did I forget the +1 ?
f’in math.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
but then your boss or management or whatever ultimately lets that person go because people can't deal with him/her
……
and then he/she files a lawsuit claiming that he/she was not, in fact, annoying, and that he/she was fired for being something other than a white christian male under 40 with no disabilities.
and that’s where i come in. oh man. boog and i could sue the cardinals for disability discrimination.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
dooo eeeet
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
I would argue,
that the players worth ~ 1 WAR are the ones that need coaching, not the ones that roll out of bed, and shit 4 WAR.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
from the player's perspective
they might not want to do all this work for someone who is just average and not a star or even a potential star
i’m not saying i agree with it, but i can see how players would not want to completely coach and calm down a player who was below average last year (also not saying that is what his true talent is)
hmm...I was thinking about
coaches coaching context, not the players.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
if it's one of my conspiracy theories
and they’re laying into him for “being too depressed”, i’m gonna be really aggravated.
psychologists: they exist. you can pay them to take care of your players.
makes me wonder how it went down with Khalil. normal clubhouse-code means stuff like cutting doesn’t make it out in the open, and cutting in itself has a build-up and pre-existing conditions.
then again, with the Cardinals’ rep for preventative health care……. maybe we don’t want to see that version of “progressing nicely.”
/speculative speculation
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Boog also can pay one if the team isn't.
The Braves popularized the sports shrink in the clubhouse, but IIRC it was Smoltz (or Maddux?) who first brought the guy in.
Brendan Ryan is still a St. Louis Cardinal.
Aaron Miles is not.
that must've been a long time ago
(obligatory Smoltz!!)
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Yeah, early '90s
TBS would have the obligatory shot of the guy during Smoltz’s starts.
(Again, assuming it was Smoltz!.)
Brendan Ryan is still a St. Louis Cardinal.
Aaron Miles is not.
why, back in those days, Tony La Russa didn't manage the Cardinals
[chews on pipe]
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I say we just declare it was Smoltz.
Fuck whatever evidence there might be otherwise. It was Smotltz, damn it.
Also, since we’re retconning, TLR forgot to wear pants for the entire 2007 season, and that was the reason things went so bad.
i haven't seen the use of the term "retcon" on VEB in a while.
no wait.
there is only one other instance. mattybobo in 2009.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
though...
if he can’t even keep his job
I doubt he has enough pull to bring someone in
also, not sure if he’s making enough money to swing that.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
He's not poor, but...
The timing of this could be when Smoltz(!) got his first 7-digit contract (1992 per B-R).
Also, there has to be a TPG like guy willing to work for a World Series Rolex.
Brendan Ryan is still a St. Louis Cardinal.
Aaron Miles is not.
If you think TLR is cranky now,
just wait until the team hires someone who has the professional qualifications to counter-lay his head-games.
On second thought, do it! I’d LOVE to see the post-game interviews where Tony thinks the shrink screwed something up.
or would the psychologist use TLR's well-known tendency to stick up for "his" guys
against him?
and now the student… is the master….
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I might have had one too many Bones reruns running in the bg...
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Did TLR just tell Ryan to get off his lawn?
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 2, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
Has the possible upside of a better 2B platoon been mentioned?
The Riot has a good career record against LHP .299 .377 .399 ( sig. better than Miles)
Skippy career vs LHP .206 .275 .227
let's count the runs they'll be giving away.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
poor man's uggla rationale?
if you’re gonna get less than stellar defense, might as well get acceptable offense out of the position…
yes. I am all for that.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I have seen less of you in recent times,
but a second base platoon has been pined for here since Skip took over.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Dec 2, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
I just popped in to make a quick observation, unrelated to today's post (sorry DUB)
I just popped this PD link open, and before I could even start reading it I noticed a few odd things about the picture they used of Pujols:
1. He looks like a zombie. Does the PD seriously not have a better picture of Pujols on file?
2. It’s been zoomed in way beyond it’s native aspect.
3. Someone accidentally clicked the Photoshop text tool on his right eye.
I know the PD is a joke, but WTF (why the face)?!
Oh, in case they change the picture, here’s what it looked like.
Testicle-exploding shit storms, to date: T.E.S.S. '08, T.E.S.S. '09, T.E.S.S. '10
haha!
reading your post made me chuckle in anticipation. seeing the picture made me laugh out loud.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
From Goold's article
This week, Cardinals general manager John Mozeliak said he and Pujols’ representatives have had some discussions about future discussions.
This begs the question…
Have they had discussions about those discussions about future discussions yet?
Don’t get ahead of yourself, Mo. I know you’re just going through the motions, however, repetitive and redundant they may be.
by The Classical on Dec 2, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
Amaury Marti Cazana
???!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
At my place of
posting on VEB employ, we excel in having meetings for meetings.
Brendan Ryan is still a St. Louis Cardinal.
Aaron Miles is not.
A tiny country with the less population than metro St. Louis...
and about twice the land area is going to spend half its GDP on 12 new stadiums, hotel rooms, and other infrastructure all to host a three week soccer party. And they’re going to air-condition these outdoor stadiums to reduce the air temp from 120 to 71. Not sure that’s the best use of resources…
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
Thank God we live in a virulently anti-soccer nation...
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
by guayzimi on Dec 2, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
which country is that?
abroad, soccer is a revenue maker like almost no other
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
Won, bought
It’s FIFA, same difference.
Brendan Ryan is still a St. Louis Cardinal.
Aaron Miles is not.
Good company man.
Also, I just made the “u” joke here at work.
Brendan Ryan is still a St. Louis Cardinal.
Aaron Miles is not.
oh qatar
good for them
they’ll rake in enough to make up for that and more
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
They'll rake in $50 billion from hosting a sporting event???
The Greeks would like a word with you.
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
And you forgot...
They’re gonna disassemble these stadiums afterwards so they can be sent to other countries and reassembled.
Lego World Cup 2022.
Brendan Ryan is still a St. Louis Cardinal.
Aaron Miles is not.
they won't sink it into the Gulf and create a few luxury resorts?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
No, but someone should keep an eye on Holliday just in case they get a little overzealous in their block hoarding.
Brendan Ryan is still a St. Louis Cardinal.
Aaron Miles is not.
I just heard a story recently about South Africa post WC
The stadiums are empty and headed toward ruin. The organizers refused to make them flexible for rugby and the rugby teams won’t use them or pay for renovation. A total joke.
I guess the Bird's Nest from the China olympics...
has hardly been used since the games.
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
Joey Votto looks nearly identical to my cousin Brian in this picture
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 2, 2010 1:50 PM EST reply actions
maybe we should swap them and not tell anyone
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
heh
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 2, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
some people like Mozeliak, some people think he sucks
to me, he keeps doing really good things, then neutralizes them (most likely by having to work around TLR imo).
good moves: Westbrook signed quickly to a good deal, Stav and Pags gone, etc
bad moves: the treatment of the brendan ryan situation, Theriot is not an upgrade, etc
I still think he is better than Jocketty though.
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 2, 2010 2:17 PM EST reply actions
NL Central Champion Reds would like a word
Also, Sporting News named Jock Executive of the Year. Just sayin’.
I haven’t read a whole bunch of national press praising the wheeling and dealing of Mo.
the Reds should not have made the playoffs. I think with our system as it is now, Jocketty would be a bane, not a boon
especially once the Pujols deal is locked up, they will be even more dependent on the farm system.
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 2, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
also, it is pretty difficult to evaluate mozeliak given the tlr proxy
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 2, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
don't be surprised when TLR leaves
and Mo is doing the same thing.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
ok, know it all
;)
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 2, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
who will we blame when TLR is gone
and MO signs Milesian players?
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Bill DeWitt
for not opening DeWallet.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
I wonder if TLR will still get blamed.
“Mo fears reprieve from TLR’s memory.”
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
I like how Jocketty is the executive of the year when he won with players primarily acquired by previous GMs.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Dec 2, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
I thought that was the case.
There was an article somewhere about that, but I couldn’t find it.
What move did he make this year? Or even going back to 2008?
(Aside from releasing Aaron Miles.)
Brendan Ryan is still a St. Louis Cardinal.
Aaron Miles is not.
Signing the Cuban is all I can think of.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
and that's a disaster...
despite all the love from the media. The amazing thing is how the contract is simply not understood by anyone I’ve seen that’s written about it.
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
Cots:
Aroldis Chapman lhp
6 years/$30.25M (2010-15)
6 years/$30.25M (2010-15)
signed by Cincinnati as an amateur free agent 1/11/10
$16.25M signing bonus ($1.5M at signing; $1.5M each Nov. 1, 2010-13; $1.25M each Nov. 1, 2014-20)
10:$1M, 11:$1M, 12:$2M, 13:$2M, 14:$3M, 15:$5M player option
Chapman must decide whether to accept or decline 2015 player option within 5 days after end of 2014 World Series
if Chapman qualifies for arbitration after 2012, $5M is converted to a bonus and he becomes arbitration-eligible
if Chapman qualifies for arbitration after 2013, $3M is converted to a bonus and he becomes arbitration-eligible
defected from Cuba to Netherlands 7/1/09
agent: Rodney Fernandez, Hendricks Sports
ML service: 0.000
Brendan Ryan is still a St. Louis Cardinal.
Aaron Miles is not.
The key here is that...
he gets all this IN ADDITION TO garnering a regular salary via the arbitration process. Usually his deal is quoted as 6/30, but that’s only if he stinks. If he’s league average it’ll be more like 6/45 and if he’s great it’ll be 6/55 or more.
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
I've never read about the deal,
and I’ve never ready about any deal like this that I can remember.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Dec 2, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
That reads like...
2010 – $1 mil
2011 – $1 mil
2012 – $2 mil
2013 – $2 mil OR arby-eligible plus $5 mil
2014 – $3 mil OR arby-eligible plus $3 mil
2015 – $5 mil player option
Where does it say anything else?
Brendan Ryan is still a St. Louis Cardinal.
Aaron Miles is not.
This...
if Chapman qualifies for arbitration after 2012, $5M is converted to a bonus and he becomes arbitration-eligible
if Chapman qualifies for arbitration after 2013, $3M is converted to a bonus and he becomes arbitration-eligible
… means his 2013 and 14 salary will be converted into a bonus check and then he’ll get a salary determined by arbitration. So he gets his “salary” and he gets another salary.
As it happens, he won’t qualify for arb in 2013. He’ll qualify in 2014. So… he’ll get the $16 million bonus, $6 million for 2010-14 (1+1+2+2), the $3 million in 2014 will be converted into another bonus, and he will receive a 2014 salary determined by arb. 2015 he can have $5 million or go to second-year arbitration, whichever he thinks will be more lucrative, and in 2016 he’ll go to arb for a third time.
The contract isn’t horrible for the Reds, its just that Chapman really captures a huge portion of his value, which is quite unusual for a pre-free agency player. $30 million is his salary floor and there is no ceiling.
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
Jocketty traded for Rolen.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Dec 2, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
it's his goto move.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
by Evilfrog on Dec 2, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
was the glaus rolen swap was jocketty too?
that was pretty good for us, to get equal value when other organizations knew we needed to get rid of rolen
That was Mo
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
A very good trade by Mo after TLR all-but-announced at the winter meetings that Rolen had to go.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Dec 2, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
Honestly
I thought Mo would be better but I don’t think they’re much different. Mo dumps young cost-controlled players just as much.
yeah, maybe he is trying to be too much like Walt and trying to fill his shoes
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 2, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
list of young cost-controlled players
that Mo has dumped who went on to be a value for other teams?
1.) Perez
2.) Gregerson (who saw that one coming?)
3.)
Well that’s all I got.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
uh
who is perez? to further prove your point….
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Young pitcher
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
mortenson will probably make some starts this year
also wallace could suck the next two years, and still be valuable to a team, he’s making league min
and where would wallace play on this team?
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
what is your definition of dump?
because i wouldn’t consider trading for Matt Holliday a dump
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
by albrtfn on Dec 2, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Wallace has already been platooned at 1B with Carlos Lee
Brendan Ryan is still a St. Louis Cardinal.
Aaron Miles is not.
And Carlos Lee played more games at 1B in 2010 than he did in all of his years prior.
Brendan Ryan is still a St. Louis Cardinal.
Aaron Miles is not.
those weren't exactly what i'd call a "dump"
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
trading a bat that doesn't fit into your lineup
for Matt Holliday; who took your team to the playoffs before taking a ball in the nuts; isn’t what you consider a dump?
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
yeah, that
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
that's the reason he didn't make my dump list.
but throw him up there. Just remember the guy your traded for was a 6.9 WAR player the next year.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
umm, we are in agreement, no?
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
He's not dead.
And Mozeliak had what, a 5% chance?
Brendan Ryan is still a St. Louis Cardinal.
Aaron Miles is not.
Chris Perez's peripherals from last year aren't that good
Nice ERA and all that, but his GB% sucks, his HR/FB was really low, and he walks 4 per 9. Color me unconvinced.
Walrus, Mortenson, Peterson, Todd
It’s a little to early to tell if those player will have value, and besides he still decided to dump them without knowledge or their current suckage.
there's something like a 20% chance one of them amounts to average
i’d say todd is the most likely to provide the most value
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
I think Brett Wallace could still pull through as average
and the odds are a lot better than 20%
Fire John Mozeliak
what i meant
was at that time
wallace was the only player in the top 100 prospects, so all the other guys are gonna be victims of very high attrition rates. and someone posted the other day that there’s like a 15% chance for top-50 prospects to be average or better
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
..
Without knowledge? So you are suggesting that all the baseball people throughout the Cardinals organization are not able to give Mo a reasonable idea of a player’s talent.
Mortenson, peterson, toddy, are completely replaceable players.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
i don't understand how you can think this when cardinals have people watching
the players every single day, but you won’t be convinced (history tells us that) no matter what
Because A) The Cardinals, like most front offices, seem to be very stupid
And B) a few discrete outcomes means very little towards validating their’s process (IE, the fact that Walrus hasn’t panned out yet does not even imply that the Cardinals knew something about it, becasue it’s a sample size of one).
the sample size of the cardinals handling of brett wallace?
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
but brett wallace is unique
we’re never going to have more data to go off of. it’s a flawed premise. whether anything was known about wallace being a lemon can’t be proven or disproven statistically. i don’t think anyone was arguing from a statistical standpoint
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
Sure they were
They were using the fact that Wallace hasn’t panned out as evidence that Mo knew something about him, which is of course pure BS from a statistical point of view.
it just seems like a weird thing to analyze statistically
it’s not possible to have a sample size larger than one. maybe if you want to talk about mozeliak’s evaluation of prospects, but you seem to be talking about just brett wallace.
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
Wait, what?
I’m arguing that there is no evidence the Mo or the Cardinals knew anything about Brett Wallace (which is what folks like mysterui have been saying), and there is little to no evidence that Mo or the Cardinals are significantly better at evaluating their own prospects then a BA scout or some yutz with a computer.
the last part is dumb
the FO knows more about their prospects than you do. there’s probably no proof that they knew with certainty whether wallace would pan out or not. but there’s not really proof otherwise, either and mo is pretty stingy with prospects
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
Mo would be even worse at his job if there WAS evidence that we knew there was something wrong with Brett Wallace
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
No, if that came out to the press
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Wait, what do you mean by "folks like mysterui"
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I'd like to get him to paint my house.
He uses a really wide brush.
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
by Dave Pendleton on Dec 4, 2010 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
It doesn't matter if he is a lemon
he was traded for Matt Holliday.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Jocketty was, for the most part, better at getting value in return
Whereas Mo’s trades seem to have very little upside.
Mozeliak's style seems to be to trade players for someone they want to woo into a contract
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 2, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
so TLR is the GM
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 2, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure you can attribute this to Mo's style
I think it’s more of a St. Louis Cardinals thing – get them here and let them experience the atmosphere, what it is to play here, the home crowd, etc. I think they use it as a selling point more than “they’re style of GM-ing.”
Amaury Cazana for RF in 2011 - the legend will never die!
It was a different time.
Other GMs were more likely to accept a lower return in prospects for established MLB talent in the late 90s and early 00s. Look at the Mulder trade and what gave up there. It was a much higher price in terms of talent leaving or organization than, for example, the McGwire, Edmonds, or Rolen trades.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Dec 2, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
But seriously the Mulder trade is just about the only really bad trade
Jocketty’s reputation around here is much worse than it really deserves to be.
Placido Polanco, Mike Timlin, and Bud Smith, for a half-season of Rolen.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Dec 2, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
I'd say it was an awesome trade
brought us a hall of fame 3rd baseman to finish his career a Cardinal.
Unfortunately a couple of jerks destroyed his shoulder and TLR is a meanyface.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Dec 2, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
Hissssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
Did that every time I saw or heard about Cintron (sssssssss…) for years afterward.
Ms Bitters (Invader Zim): Children, your performance was miserable. Your parents will all receive phone calls instructing them to love you less now.
That's exactly my point.
As front offices evolved, Jocketty’s tactics because less effective.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Dec 2, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
The Mulder extension...
should have excluded him from ever working again in baseball.
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
Yes,
that Mark Mulder trade was great.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Dec 2, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah
but you’ve got two different GMs. jocketty would’ve traded the minors for big-name players, and the impact was pretty much immediate. mo trades conservatively, usually for money reasons or the future. i’d almost rather prefer jocketty these days. it’s too depressing to be under mo.
hey Mo: theriot at 2B, boog at SS.
KEEP BRENDAN RYAN.
just to throw in a monkey wrench of my own design
mo will rue signing westbrook to this deal
write it down, read it to me when its over
but he will not be give an A for that deal
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
I'm all for getting rid of skip
revamp the MIF!
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 2, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
With all of the groundball pitchers we have,
I’d be ok if they acquired some sort of defensive wizard at SS, even if he couldn’t hit his way out of a wet paper sack.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
straight up?
u mad
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
Stop it; I can hear your scoffing from here.
“No way. Maybe in the Cardinal’s dreams,” you say. “You want us to give up Colby Fucking Rasmus for some guy with a .256 wOBA. He hit really well last year!” I know, I know but hear me out. The man most definitely has superstar upside. All he really needs to do is put together his explosive 2009 with his defensive wizardry of 2010 and he’s a 5 WAR player. And get this – he’s been playing with a broken wrist the last few years.
“Right, there’s clearly some upside to be had from Ryan. But, seriously, there’s no way it compares to Ryan’s upside. The guy has gritty speed. All of his tools are a plus(except power and hitting).” I think if you actually took a moment to compare upside, you’d find Brendan Ryan’s potential to be very similar to that of Brendan Ryan. Just look at their stats and scouting reports, they are very close.
“We wouldn’t need to give up Ryan to get Ryan though. I think we could make this trade happen with Jon Jay/Allen Craig + Lance Lynn + Jason Motte. That way, we end up with an Infield of Ryan, Ryan, and Pujols.” This may seem like a reasonable trade to you but if we went over to the Cardinals SB site, I guarantee you they would pan it in a split second. St. Louis is gonna expect some premier talent in return for Brendan Ryan and the only real trade piece we have to give in return is Brendan Ryan. There’s obviously a natural human tendency to value your own players over those of others but you have to spend talent to get talent.
“Look at his spat with his manager, Tony LaRussa. The guy clearly isn’t a good clubhouse guy and I would not appreciate him asking for a trade off of our team. Just watch him play, he’s clearly a headcase.” Honestly, if he fields the way he did last year, he could insult my sister hourly via Twitter for all I care. And remember that Brendan Ryanhas had his share of personality issues as well.
Perhaps his little manager dispute could maybe be used as leverage against them. I mean, think of it from John Mozeliak’s perspective. He’s got a chance to end a dispute between a player and his manager and get a once-in-a-lifetime shortstop in return. Do you really think he’s going to balk at throwing in another prospect if it’s necessary to make this trade go through? He hasn’t had a record of getting the best value in his dealings so far. So, ideally, we could ask for Brendan Ryan+ for Brendan Ryan. It doesn’t seem all that unreasonable to me.
Fixed
Stop it; I can hear your scoffing from here.
"No way. Maybe in the Cardinal’s dreams," you say. "You want us to give up Brendan Fucking Ryan for some guy with a .256 wOBA. He hit really well last year!" I know, I know but hear me out. The man most definitely has superstar upside. All he really needs to do is put together his explosive 2009 with his defensive wizardry of 2010 and he’s a 5 WAR player. And get this – he’s been playing with a broken wrist the last few years.
"Right, there’s clearly some upside to be had from Ryan. But, seriously, there’s no way it compares to Ryan’s upside. The guy has gritty speed. All of his tools are a plus(except power and hitting)." I think if you actually took a moment to compare upside, you’d find Brendan Ryan’s potential to be very similar to that of Brendan Ryan. Just look at their stats and scouting reports, they are very close.
"We wouldn’t need to give up Ryan to get Ryan though. I think we could make this trade happen with Jon Jay/Allen Craig + Lance Lynn + Jason Motte. That way, we end up with an Infield of Ryan, Ryan, and Pujols." This may seem like a reasonable trade to you but if we went over to the Cardinals SB site, I guarantee you they would pan it in a split second. St. Louis is gonna expect some premier talent in return for Brendan Ryan and the only real trade piece we have to give in return is Brendan Ryan. There’s obviously a natural human tendency to value your own players over those of others but you have to spend talent to get talent.
"Look at his spat with his manager, Tony LaRussa. The guy clearly isn’t a good clubhouse guy and I would not appreciate him asking for a trade off of our team. Just watch him play, he’s clearly a headcase." Honestly, if he fields the way he did last year, he could insult my sister hourly via Twitter for all I care. And remember that Brendan Ryanhas had his share of personality issues as well.
Perhaps his little manager dispute could maybe be used as leverage against them. I mean, think of it from John Mozeliak’s perspective. He’s got a chance to end a dispute between a player and his manager and get a once-in-a-lifetime shortstop in return. Do you really think he’s going to balk at throwing in another prospect if it’s necessary to make this trade go through? He hasn’t had a record of getting the best value in his d
I noticed, but was gonna let it slide.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
getting soft!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I should talk to my Doctor about Cialis.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Dec 2, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Recently I got that question from my doctor
about whether I thought I had erectile dysfunction. Wow, make me feel old…
Ms Bitters (Invader Zim): Children, your performance was miserable. Your parents will all receive phone calls instructing them to love you less now.
if your baseball related satire lasts more than four hours,
Call your doctor.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Dec 2, 2010 6:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The moustachioed one.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
there it is!
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 2, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
just remember
mo wrote off floppy, and gave up a free pick
mo didn’t do due diligence on k greene
mo kept stav
mo signed grit
mo signed klohse
mo lost perdomo
etc
he’s had some things work out, but he is not anA student
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
Perdomo was just nontendered by the Pads.
So was Tony Gwynn. Man, did if feel odd reading that n- took me a minute to remind myself they meant “Jr.”
as much as I hate it, we can't dump K-Mac
yet.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
oh... crap.... crap, where is my flashcard
I printed it out… aaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
actually, it's 'cause I don't see another long-man in case a starter goes down.
we should really have a couple of those, given the medical history of the staff.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Penny?
He was completely different to what I usually would … go after. It was just different in a good way. I wanted to know more about him. I wanted to get to know what he’s like outside of going out in the restaurant or clubs.
oh wait, that’s Karina Smirnoff
In Penny’s particular case, though, it became clear as the year went on that at least some people within the organization were not pleased with how things were progressing in Penny’s rehab. It was never explicitly stated, that I heard at least. But it didn’t take a great deal of reading between the lines to pick up on frustration not so much with the injury, but actually with the player himself to at least some degree. I would be shocked if the Cards signed on for another year with the right-hander. the Leach box
Of course they met through Chuck Liddell. Of course they did.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
It had to be done
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 2, 2010 2:56 PM EST reply actions
So I guess Mo is counting
on Freese’s to be healthy all season? I have heard nothing about a back-up 3rd baseman since Tajada got signed by the Giants.
It’s bad enough the Cards don’t have any power in their 2nd and SS positions but if Freese goes down again early we will be in the same position as we were last year with little production coming from 3rd. Big mistake in my opinion if Mo is counting again on a healthy Freese. I guess Mo hopes there will be options available in the Spring as far a getting a decent back-up that can hit??
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
Someone mentioned it somewhere...
Maybe Strauss in his chat yesterday?
Brendan Ryan is still a St. Louis Cardinal.
Aaron Miles is not.
Two words
Tyler Greene. (who will hit 20 HRs!)
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
another two words
BS! [redacted for concerns of profanity]
hey Mo: theriot at 2B, boog at SS.
KEEP BRENDAN RYAN.
Check the sig
nm
Your 2011 St. Louis Cardinals: Rasmus 8, Jay/Craig 9, Pujols 3, Holliday 7, M Carpenter 5, Molina 2, Theriot 4, Ryan 6, pitcher
T. H. Eriot
That’s funny, I was sitting in Post-Modern Literature class yesterday when a Chinese exchange student referenced T. H. Eriot. Were you there too?
he wrote "the once and future wasteland," right?
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Dec 2, 2010 6:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Because Chinese people speak funny!!!!
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 4, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
I've never been one to comment or consider a team's clubhouse/front office culture
Mostly because I’ve never seen one as toxic as the one the Cardinals have now. God damnit, I love this team, but if there were any reason for me to stop rooting for them, this is it. I’ve never seen such a self-destructive environment or such winning-averse conditions to put a bunch of players in. If I met John Mozeliak, I would honestly have to resist the impulse to punch him in the face.
Fire John Mozeliak
by purple_haze on Dec 2, 2010 3:16 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
change that to TLR, and I agree
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 2, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
add strauss
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
Kick him in the nuts instead.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
TLR had Mo's nuts removed long ago.
They have reportedly signed an offer sheet to assume Aaron Miles’ role in the middle infield.
…
…
Per Strauss
by The Classical on Dec 2, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
I hope you are trolling
Right? Right? RIGHT!?
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 2, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
this thread seems to be ironic, in some way.
can’t put my finger on it…
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Also, I'm not prone to rooting for players on other teams
but if B. Ryan gets traded, I hope he has a break out 4 WAR season or something and just completely shows up our front office.
Fire John Mozeliak
i'll root for the guy too
but I guess he doesn’t fit with this team.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Dec 2, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
i wish he did
I’d certainly prefer him at SS to Theriot.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Dec 2, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
wow everyone's so mad.
let’s not be violent.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Dec 2, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
this sucks
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 2, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
Did you seriously just say that the front office is a good reason to stop rooting for the Cardinals?
For fuck’s sake, our GM could be Ed Wade. Mo does some frustrating things, but it’s not THAT bad.
it's the reason that things happen around here
where x doesn’t like y, or whatever. That really pisses me off to no end. I’m not gonna stop rooting for the Cardinals, obviously. I wouldn’t even know how. But I would, honest to god, pay real American dollars to tell John Mozeliak and Tony LaRussa that they deserve to be fired to their faces.
Fire John Mozeliak
NO YOU MUST SAVE ALL YOUR MONEY FOR ALBERT
yeah, I’m hoping that deal gets done soon.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I dunno
The combo of Tony and Mo really does make it difficult being a fan. Ownership, too.
I mean, we’re in the worst division of baseball and yet we know that the chances of making the playoffs are pretty slim, because of one person – TLR, whose weird spell over everyone else in the organization drives away good players and replaces them with crap.
Not to mention the constant soap opera crap with who is in the doghouse this month. Assuming he’s not traded (which is still iffy) I can’t wait for all the Rasmus drama this upcoming year. What fun.
And the one reason that keeps the Cardinals from basically being the Pirates, Pujols, is probably not going to be re-signed because ownership is too cheap.
The Cards have made the playoffs 8 out of 16 years there has been an NL Central
Pretty slim chances…
Brendan Ryan is still a St. Louis Cardinal.
Aaron Miles is not.
50% is pretty slim
if you are the yankees.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
bullshit
And the one reason that keeps the Cardinals from basically being the Pirates, Pujols, is probably not going to be re-signed because ownership is too cheap.
seriously what the fuck?
What gets me
is that as soon as the season is over Mo tells the media about all the changes needed to be made and adding much needed offense ect. Then does very little to back the claims up. Granted the hot-stove season has just started and I’m sure there are more moves to be made but I think Mo speaks a good game to the fans but doesn’t live up to the expectations that he lays out for the team’s a loyal fanbase. Lots of talk.. with our GM but there needs a little more action…which hopefully will play out over the next month or so.
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
215-20 homer additions
are freese and craig
hfhs, that is an insane comment made voluntarily by jmo
ufb
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
at least we have a front office
witness the Marlins.
and I’ve heard things about the Mariners…
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
hfs just z'd through todays comments
VEB hasn’t been this irritable since aaron miles was brought up
VEB has been irritable since Miles was called up from Springfield.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Dec 2, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
with good reason
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
go Padres!
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 2, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
flim is a blackberry?
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Go to Hell!
Can I say that on national TV?
by WizardofOz1982 on Dec 2, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
FUCK YOU FLIM!
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I am just the bearer of the bad news
Don’t blame me
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 2, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
so the performance of our starters will be down
now hopefully the offense will be better
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 2, 2010 3:29 PM EST reply actions
the management should be forced to watch brendan ryan's lengthy highlight reel for the rest of the offseason
on loop
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 2, 2010 3:40 PM EST reply actions
they should have the loop prepped at busch for
Every theriot error.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Dec 2, 2010 6:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
heh
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 2, 2010 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
I thought that too
Instead of the Boog Rally, we should rent a video board outside Mo’s office window and run Brendan’s highlight reel 24/7.
by ArkansasTravs on Dec 3, 2010 1:34 AM EST up reply actions
I'm starting to wonder if Mo is worried that by leaving Boog's bat there and settling for only his defensive abilities
the cardinals will be like the mariners of this year.
/actually I’m just bringing up a point of worrying too much about defense. Of course it’s not like we’re replacing boog with hanley ramirez so my point is kind of stupid. shut up codyg.
2010 M's / 2011 Cards correlation
Mariners’ 2-3-4 (2010):
2. Chone Figgins
3. Franklin Guiterrez
4. Jose Lopez
combined OPS = 1.855
Cardinals’ 2-3-4 (2011, w/ 2010 OPS):
2. Rasmus
3. Pujols
4. Holliday
combined OPS = 2.792
Mo: “Brendan Ryan is bringing our offense down to 2010 Mariners level! We need Ryan Theriot!”
by The Classical on Dec 2, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
BCBer here for a (hopefully) friendly visit
I just want to congratulate you guys on severely downgrading your SS defense and getting a guy whose baserunning is so brutal that we created a stat — the TOOTBLAN — just for him. Oh, and who has less power than several of your pitchers…
Riot could really help you at 2B — Schumaker seems (from the outside) like a liability there — but we were overjoyed when he finally got moved off of SS. Have fun watching him throw rainbows from the hole to 1B… and hit first-pitch grounders to 2B all day.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
that's pretty much what we're saying too
curious though, what’s TOOTBLAN stand for?
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Thrown Out On The Bases Like A Nincompoop
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
See, when the cubs fans come here
to laugh at this….it’s a bad move.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Dec 2, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
If Riot were going to replace Schumaker
I wouldn’t be laughing, because I think that would be an upgrade for you guys. But if Mo and TLR think the Riot is a legitimate SS, then all I can do is laugh.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
That's kind of where most of us were,
until the “If the season starts tomorrow, Theriot is the starting SS, and I’m trading Ryan’s wizardry away” comment that MO made.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Maybe Mo has something else up his sleeve?
I hope so, because I want you guys to have a decent team next year. Rivalries are always more fun when both teams are good.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
wat
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
by mysterui on Dec 2, 2010 4:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
he's right.
what moves are the Cubbies going to make to help make both teams good?
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Other than getting rid of Lou
(which is a huge positive, IMO) I am totally lost as to what the Cubs might do this winter. Basically, the team is a powder keg; it could implode in Mike Quade’s face, or it could blow away the NL Central. (It will likely be somewhere in between.)
If the old Z and the old Soriano reappear, the Cubs will be good. If Ramy stays healthy, they’ll be very good. And if the rotation behind Dempster disintegrates, they will be awful.
Hopefully, we’ll be at least at the same level — somewhat ahead of the Reds.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
ha...
“blow away the NL Central” not much danger of that happening… Practically everyone is on the wrong side of 30 – I suppose if about 10 guys discover the fountain of youth simultaneously the Cubs could blow away the NL Central…
A rotation of Silva, Wells, Gorze…, and Z anchored by Dempster is ludicrously bad. You’ve got Colvin at first, Fukudome is still around…. yikes.
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
But Fuk U was an allstar!
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
The Cubs...
are just taking up space until they can finally say sayonara to Sori, Z, Fuku, ARam, etc… Why they don’t just liquidate I don’t know.
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
wait, you're concerned about the quality of the rivalry next year
and you’re afraid the Cardinals are going to be to blame? Seriously? GTFO
says who? The offseason isn't over
and regardless, please explain how losing a 1.5-2.5 Win player suddenly puts us on a par with a team that won 75 games last year.
and replacing him with a player
who could very well be 1.5-2.5 wins
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
guys, guys
it’s hyperbole, exaggeration
settle. we haven’t even gotten rid of our starting short stop (yet)
we're laughing, crying, and angry at the same time
because everyone can see the obvious BUT tony & mozeliak
hey Mo: theriot at 2B, boog at SS.
KEEP BRENDAN RYAN.
But we're the only ones allowed to complain about it
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 2, 2010 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
daaaamn, no one told you to go fuck yourself yet?
i mean what kind of tepid rivalry is that? heh, jk
now after the obligatory greetings have been exchanged
tell us any funny anecdotes you have about theriot and any nicknames you guys have for him. getting him feels a little like incest and putting him at short feels a lot like stupidity
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
Nice chatting with you... :-)
I’m sure you’re aware of the Cajun Connection. What’s scary for you guys is that the Giants might non-tender Fontenot. Wouldn’t that tempt TLR??? Doesn’t he like midget MIs?
Nickname: He’s pretty much always been The Riot — except when he runs the bases. Then it becomes: F____ no, Riot!
We do think he had some nude photos of Lou, because Lou is was the only one who thought that Riot was a SS.
BTW, you guys have been seem to love ex-Cub MIs — DeRo, Miles (return trip), now Riot, next Fonty. I can understand where the incestuous feeling comes from…
Just be prepared for a guy who:
is a bit slower than you think (no better than league average)
will cause many of you to barf with his baserunning antics
will dive after balls six feet away just to make fans think he hustles
doesn’t always run hard to 1B on grounders
will turn grounders to 2B into an art form
is not as good a bunter as he should be
is great at mugging for cameras and doing interviews
Let me know if you need any more info…
DMH
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Dec 2, 2010 7:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
hm...
“Just be prepared for a guy who:
is a bit slower than you think (no better than league average)”
he’s replacing our fastest runner only to join a molina on the basepaths. by midseason we might call him rocket-riot
“will cause many of you to barf with his baserunning antics”
our entire team runs like little league
“will dive after balls six feet away just to make fans think he hustles”
not everyone can sell it. in the other hand, or stellar 2b dives for first, so…
“doesn’t always run hard to 1B on grounders
will turn grounders to 2B into an art form
is not as good a bunter as he should be”
he’s a perfect fit then
“is great at mugging for cameras and doing interviews”
explain that – is he funny or just self-absorbed? i want to know about the cajun connection so you might have to explain it. please
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
Cajun Connection
Ryan Theriot and Mike Fontenot
LSU teammates who both played for the Cubs as well.
Brendan Ryan is still a St. Louis Cardinal.
Aaron Miles is not.
oh hell, we're gonna end up with both, aren't we?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
Re: interviews
Riot is actually pretty honest when doing interviews, and I don’t think he ever turns one down. He does have most clichés down pat. Definitely not self-absorbed or “holier than thou”.
Fontenot and Theriot are from different towns in LA, but played on “touring teams” together while in HS. They became best friends and went to LSU together. They were reunited when the Cubs got Fontenot in the Sammy Sosa deal. Oddly enough, Theriot ended last season with the Dodgers, and Fontenot went to the Giants. Hopefully, they’ve patched things up since then.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
I enjoyed his interview Wednesday
on Waddle and Silvy on ESPN 1000. He definitely seemed loose and unfiltered. Just don’t know if that’s going to be enough to boost his wFAWAR to ease the pain of the (likely) loss of Boog.
Ms Bitters (Invader Zim): Children, your performance was miserable. Your parents will all receive phone calls instructing them to love you less now.
ouch
a DeRosa sn
I guess its better than Drew
(but then again there is a slight chance that could be relevant again)
by jealousblues on Dec 3, 2010 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
OT: US Cities ranked by size of average member
St. Louis doesn’t fair very well, one worse than Chicago, one better than Seattle.
Glad to see Boston is bringing up the rear…
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
apparently they think phoenix is in utah
/facepalm
hey Mo: theriot at 2B, boog at SS.
KEEP BRENDAN RYAN.
I expected Seattle to be around 6th.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Dec 2, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I'm afraid I'm probably bringing St Louis down quite a bit.
Sorry.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
i was thinking the same thing
how else do you get St. Louis in the 10/20 of cities, but missouri 36/50 states
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
phoenix #5 represent!
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
why do we do the St. Louis demographics / region / statistical fallacies discussion every six months?
someone should just collect those into a "geography FTW" post.
and then, just to throw everyone off, include the dozen fanposts about finding a bar in St. Louis.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i've had to endure
morons discussing StL being the most dangerous city in the nation the last couple of days. This proposed fanpost would give me some ammunition to serve them some shut up juice.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
have you been to The Mean Pig down in Cabot?
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
no
am i missing something here?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
their hottest BBQ sauce is called Shut Up Juice
i had never heard that phrase till i ate there
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
stl louis IS a dangerous city
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
but is it the most dangerous in the nation?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
If it's not it's pretty damn close
People always want to include the county to bring the numbers down. If they do that, they should also include East St. Louis.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Why include East St. Louis? It's in Illinois.
As bad as E. STL is I don’t think it’s as bad as some parts of STL.
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
by Dave Pendleton on Dec 3, 2010 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
Fail.
Well, maybe you’re right, but if you are, it’s only because everyone there has already been murdered.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Dec 3, 2010 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
Not quite yet,
They have to pick up the pace on murder to catch up with St Louis.
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
by Dave Pendleton on Dec 3, 2010 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
why include st. louis county?
It isn’t part of the same City. And most of it is father away from St. Louis than St. Louis city.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
I agree with you about that.
The numbers are skewed for sure by including the county.
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
by Dave Pendleton on Dec 3, 2010 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
fixed
why do we do the St. Louis demographics / region / statistical fallacies phalluses discussion every six months?
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
oh, come on! That's funny!
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
tell us how you really feel
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
Adam Dunn signs a pretty good contract
to play solid baseball of a fairly mediocre team. What’s new here?
check out VEB on facebook...just search groups for Viva El Birdos
I live right up the street from there, I'll probably go to a few games this season
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 2, 2010 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
hey me too!
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
let's go
I think you’re even closer than I am. also, we should grab some food at the skylark sometime
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 2, 2010 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
sounds like a great idea!
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
get a freakin room geez
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
Fangraphs
in which today’s main post is blockquoted
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
I like how they completely got what DanUp was saying about sacrificing fielding range wrong
Like, literally backwards.
yeah, awesome
especially since it’s actually a block quote from gordon
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
is it wrong to love this comment?
I’m going to sound like an arrogant prick on this one, but oh well … I think the data/facts back me rather well … just some will take my tone as brash.
1 There’s not a cubs player on their roster that wouldn’t think the same thing.
2 To me it’s NOT a rivalry, it’s hatred, bitterness, or jealousy. A rivalry implies that both teams compete for the same thing. One side has won the most world series titles in the NL, the other hasn’t won one in 100 years. That’s not a rivalry (FWIW, I said the same thing about NYY-BOS before 2004).
My big thing is "Why the hell would the Cardinals want Theriot?" Many players go back and forth between the Cubs and cardinals. My guess is that almost all of them would say StL is the better franchise/situation. It’s kinda one of those obvious things … just look through history for mounds of evidence.
So yeah, let the "Flamewar begin". It better get started now, it’s often over by June. Yeah, i said it. grin
now can we get rid of skip so greene can start in the MIF?
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 2, 2010 5:12 PM EST reply actions
Remember, Skip is versatile.
Spread this around. Maybe someone will confuse him with Infante.
Brendan Ryan is still a St. Louis Cardinal.
Aaron Miles is not.
http://gizmodo.com/5704158/nasa-finds-new-life
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
I don't need anymore evidence of E.T.
I saw the movie and found him in the cornfield like everyone else did. He better not be in my shed either.
I thought I told you to trim those sideburns!
Jon Heyman is the newest member of the Jeff Passan Asshat Club
SI_JonHeyman (Jon Heyman)
since 2004, nobody has more HRs than adam dunn except king albert — and dunn’s been playing in huge park. #chisox
17 minutes ago from web
GAB a huge park? Try band box. This is the guy that voted Albert 4th in MVP voting. He clearly has something against him. I mean GAB isn’t even close to a “huge park.” If anything, Busch is the pitchers park.
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
ahaha moron
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
Thought I'd share......
I just saw a Prius with a vanity plate that said DRILOIL. Awesome.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Dec 2, 2010 8:42 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Speaking of Jose Lopez
What about signing Jose Lopez?
27 years old. Solid glove at 3b and 2b. Obvious platoon for Skip and insurance for Freese. Projected as a .307 wOBA
I WILL LITERALLY KILL SOMEBODY IF THE CARDINALS SIGN JOSE LOPEZ
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I was about to say....
ask mysterui. But you are apparently on Jose Lopez lookout. I’m now on the Rob Johnson for backup catcher boat, btw.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I guess I'm fine with that
Passed balls have been an issue with him
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Talked to his dad the other day. he's in unbelieveable shape.
220 and 6% body fat. Cliff Lee wanted Texas to pick him up when he was traded there is the word from his Dad. It appears that his pitchers really like him behind the plate. Haven’t heard whether Felix threw him a Cy Young bone or not.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Yeah, I remember hearing Felix really liked him back there
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
That Fan base cracked me up.....
LL were all bitching about his bat, meanwhile, the first baseman was hitting worse than the catcher that all the starters wanted to throw to.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Did he once get the last cup of noodles from the vending machine?
Maybe take the last cup of coffee and not start a fresh pot?
Brendan Ryan is still a St. Louis Cardinal.
Aaron Miles is not.
Solid glove at 3b and 2b.
Can anyone name something solid?
Concrete is solid.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 4, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
why does MLBTR keep RTing me shit in spanish and portuguese?
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
You're in Texas, you should understand it.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
so i hear the cavs have a gmae tonight?
This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers
Lebron is taking his talents to Cleveland?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
any new updates on Bart or Hudson?
This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers
mysterui:
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Hey man.
My mustache is glorious
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
by mysterui on Dec 2, 2010 9:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
pics or it didn't happen.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Joe Theismann:
“The Houston Texans can’t keep trading 3 points with 7 points from the Philadelphia Eagles.”
However, against Jacksonville this strategy is ok?
Brendan Ryan is still a St. Louis Cardinal.
Aaron Miles is not.
Anyone tried out Amazon's S3 storage?
I dumped ~45GB of backup data out there for the princely sum of $6.78 for November. December should be next to nothing since the data is out there and I just need to keep it in sync. Pretty nice.
Too stupid and sissy-like to say that you want out.
You make the eyes of a million girls and think you'll make them shout.
Just don't tell them you're wikileaks.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Dec 2, 2010 9:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
how did you get it there?
do you have some crazy fast fiber optics uploader?
by YesWeOquendo on Dec 2, 2010 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
No, it took about a week to upload the files.
I have the S3 “bucket” mounted on my machine as local storage and use rsync to get the files there.
No more backups to removable media! Yea! I also closed out the safe deposit box I used to store the backups off-site. The box was cheap, but this should be even cheaper and much more convenient.
Too stupid and sissy-like to say that you want out.
You make the eyes of a million girls and think you'll make them shout.
by The Continental on Dec 2, 2010 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
i think everyone is taking a Jeff Gordon article a little too seriously
am i the only one who didn’t click on the link and read what he had to say?
ready for the next explosiong of how mozeliak is the worstest manager ever
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
jose lopez taking his talents to Denver
per mlbtraderumors… http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/12/rockies-acquire-jose-lopez.html
This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers
YESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYES
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
first Pagnozzi now this WTF????
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
Nah, he might be an okay player for you
You’ll just hate watching him. He’s actually got power, which Coors will only amplify
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
the LF wall is definitely more of a target at coors for sure
but I will only hate him if Jim Tracy starts him over Chris Nelson
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
He's just the least enjoyable player I've ever seen play
He swings at everything
He’s fat
He looks like runs slow
He looks like he’s a sloppy fielder
A large part was that he batted 4th for most of the season for the M’s, I suppose
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
yeah as a replacement for Melvin Mora he seems like a decent fit
Mora did a good job last year but he was 38 if Lopez can be passable at 1B or 2B he will be light years ahead of mora on D
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
Cajun Connection bullet dodged
From Rotoworld
The Giants and INF Mike Fontenot avoided arbitration Thursday by agreeing to a one-year contract.
Fontenot earned $1 million through the arbitration process last winter, so he’ll likely see a slight raise. The 30-year-old infielder batted .283/.331/.375 with one home run and 25 RBI over 240 at-bats between the Cubs and Giants this past season. He’ll continue to be used in a utility role next season.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 3, 2010 1:14 AM EST reply actions
Don't know if anyone's paying attention to the SB Nation sidebar at the top
but 42-year old Mariano just signed a 2 year deal worth $30 mil. Talk amongst yourselves.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 3, 2010 1:19 AM EST reply actions
Or 41, as the case may be.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 3, 2010 1:20 AM EST up reply actions
i saw it on MLBTR
apparently he had longer and larger offers from at least one other team
kind of the anti-jeter
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twatter
So the Ry Antheriot
fellow seems like a jolly chap. I’ll certainly miss Brendan Ryan’s game-joy and defensive wizardry, and for that matter watching him rebound offensively. But Ryanther, since you’re obviously reading this (I’m assuming Dave Duncan sent the link along) welcome to the St. Louis Cardinals. Playing hard will win you a lot of fans, even if they don’t type on VEB much. Best wishes!.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Dec 3, 2010 2:10 AM EST reply actions
people seem to be niggardly in their praise of your first post
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
I probably should have expected VEB to blow up like that
Also: I have never once in my entire history at VEB requested a playlist from RB. RiverRat was the one that did yesterday.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Well considering that the charity of choice for the face of the franchise relates to
the developmentally disabled it isn’t a surprise that everyone’s undies got twisted. That said the tempest in teapot format of the internet allows people to be outraged to a degree that they never would reach if there was consequences for their words
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
I mean, I don't blame them. Since Jr. High, I don't think I've use "retarded" as a pejorative once, and I would definitely chastise anybody who did
My first name is pronounced “Ree.” How many times in my life do you think people have referred to me as a “retard?” Thousands
I just liked the double meaning between “repeated tardiness” and “retard-iness”
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
did you see the little advertisment at the begining of Tropic Thunder
where they basically say don’t use the word “retard” right before they use the word “retard” about 200 times
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
Well there goes your job working for the mayor of Washington DC
Ms Bitters (Invader Zim): Children, your performance was miserable. Your parents will all receive phone calls instructing them to love you less now.
Just downloaded the Beatles multitracks
Holy. Shit. At. How. Much. I. Can. Do.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
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