the party of minor things to do
by tom s. on Dec 18, 2010 12:33 PM EST
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sadly, captain beefheart (a pseudonym for don van vliet) died yesterday. vliet was an icon to everybody interested in avant garde rock, as well as lots of guys now in their late-fifties, early-sixties who did way too much cocaine and dropped too much acid in their days. captain beefheart and his magic band put out some of the greatest albums in rock,"safe as milk," "the spotlight kid" and "trout mask replica." beefheart began with sharp riffs on traditional blues, then went on to make increasingly wild and psychedlic and just plain weird music. he influenced contemporaries like frank zappa and tom waits in the southern california scene, and was cited as a strong influence by later artists who dabbled in the avant garde, like pj harvey and the white stripes (who did memorable covers of several beefheart tracks, including "the party of special things to do."
not since hunter s thompson died has the world suddenly grown so significantly less weird.
someone's had too much to think . . .
. . . of himself. edgar renteria exhibited his usual keen sense of how to present himself sympathetically to the public when he complained to the media that it was "disrespectful" for the san francisco giants to offer a man in his mid-30s a million dollas to play a children's game. this comment came at a time in which tens of millions of americans are unemployed. i find it hard to understand every losing sight of the meaning of being paid a million dollars that i can hardly conceive of why one would find such an offer insulting. i can imagine renteria concluding that he could find a better offer elsewhere. regardless, it's probably safe to say that, even on reaching such a conclusion, renteria should have kept that thought to himself.
make invalids out of supermen . . . .
to the best anyone can telll, our bench is really going to look like memphis is going to get a chance. well, except for bryan anderson. i won't promise that the aforementioned edgar renteria won't get picked up, but with the disappearance of bill hall and orlando hudson from the market, most plausible infield options are gone. aaron miles still lurks on the margins somewhere.
it seems like a valuable exercise to take a look at what we have on the bench and the likelihood of seeing these guys in st. louis after spring training.
gerald laird, c
likelihood of appearing with ml club: 95 percent
virtues: good glove, good rep as a pitcher's catcher, major league track record, veteranny goodness
demerits: weak bat, 31 years old at a position that doesn't age well, not bryan anderson, does not look like he has come to fix a buxom woman's cable ca. 1978.
anderson seems like he makes a hell of a lot of sense as a backup. that said, laird is a solid pickup as a backup to molina. moreover, i dislike the fact that he's playing over anderson much less than i like the fact that he's playing over pagnozzi.
laird's bat is really terrible, though. his last three seasons, in chronological order, yielded wOBA's of .315, .287, and most recently .256! he seems to have hit a decline phase. while his recent BABIPs have been very low ('09: .258; '10: .249), his LD rates have dropped into the 14% range. if you have to have a terrible hitter somewhere, backup catcher is not a bad place to have him; we have experience in this area, since jason larue has been coughing up .270-.280 wOBA's for the cards for several years.
allen craig, 3b/of
likelihood of appearing with ml club: 90 percent
upside: tremendous offensive potential, alleged ability to play third base, right-handed relief for berkman in of, winning smile.
demerits: not clear how capable his defense at third is, offensive potential remains mere potential, proclivity for appearing on the back of milk cartons.
craig is in line for a real breakout year. my gut says that we will look back on his 2011 performance as a triumph. my suspicion is that his only okay numbers in 2010 were mostly bad luck in a small sample size. his minor league numbers are excellent. the only projections for 2011 out so far - bill james - peg him at a .350 wOBA, which would be a fine start. he has put up .400-ish wOBA's in the minors pretty consistently. he is no hack in the outfield defensively, even if he is no star.
that said, if he doesn't produce or gets injured, he's likely to find himself passed by the upcoming outfield and 3b prospects in 2012. this is a key season for craig. i find heartening the news that they'll give him a shot at third. that said, a failure to capitalize on the opportunities he gets may lose him future opportunities in very short order. he will not likely get the chances freese got to work through his nerves or rust or just bad luck in the first couple weeks of the 2010 seasons with several high-profile misplays. it's not fair; it's baseball.
tyler greene, ss/ 3b
likelihood of appearing with ml club: 80 percent
upside: defensive positions played, offensive potential, likely to catch work at ss v. lhp while theriot plays second for skip, could bust out and hit 15 homers for the cardinals.
demerits: old to still be a prospect, labeled with "bad attitude" tar brush, recently poor defensive performance, could bust and hit 15 homers for memphis.
greene has made appearances in the majors in two different seasons, amassing a .282 wOBA over 238 PAs. his performance in the minors has been all over the place, with AAA wOBAs in partial seasons of .304, .390, and .357. while he has some clear defensive tools, including a very strong arm, his TZR numbers in 08 and 09 from the minors were negative, and his small sample UZRs in the majors have been poor. going into his age 28 season, he needs to put to use the tools he has. he does have some built in roster advantages: against LHP, we'll probably shift theriot to second and put greene at short. he's the only real shortstop on the squad other than theriot. he's also on the short list of third base options should freese go down for any period of time.
jon jay, of
likelihood of appearing with ml club: 80 percent
upside: good defensive rep, lots of playing time in 2010, only decent cf backup.
demerits: much of 2010 offensive success ephemeral, position as left-handed option in rf stolen by berkman, importance on early supreme court overshadowed historically by key role played by john marshall.
jay's performance has been analyzed a great deal here, and of all our bench options, he is the most familiar, catching 323 PAs in 2010. i doubt he is as good as he showed in early 2010, nor as bad as he showed in late 2010. he'll be 26 this year, and coming into his peak period. bill james likes him for a .326 wOBA, which sounds plausible to me. at minor risk of being traded.
daniel descalso, 2b/3b
likelihood of appearing with ml club: 70 percent
upside: positional scarcity, ok defensive and offensive skills, while LH has minimal platoon split.
demerits: only ok defensive and offensive skills.
"dirty dan" seems like a high-floor, low-ceiling prospect. note that in a brief september call-up he played exclusively at third. that may be a sign that the club sees more of a role in spelling freese at third than in overlapping with our other resident LH 2b. descalso may get his chances where other people lag; if freese gets injured or skippy continues to struggle in 2011, he may force the issue. otherwise, i expect him to get limited time in the field. descalso is also probably most at risk of getting bumped by a dumpster-dive infielder in february or march. descalso had a roaring 2009 at springfield, finishing with a .406 wOBA, though his offensive results have been more pedestrian though still solid at other levels (.342 at memphis last year, .364 at springfield in 08). still, just 24 now, descalso has some years to develop and impress.
adron chambers, of
likelihood of appearing with ml club: 20 percent
upside: speed, on-base skills, good defense.
demerits: low power, redundancy as LH OF.
chambers lit up the winter leagues in arizona, putting together an .835 OPS. he's managed more of a .360ish wOBA each year in the minors. young, like descalso, he has room to grow. he has a lot of overlap with jon jay, as a speedy, defense-oriented, 3-position, LH outfielder. his best hope is that jay ends up traded.
matt carpenter, 3b
likelihood of appearing with ml club: 10 percent
upside: great on-base skills, ok defense.
demerits: only modest power, limited experience.
a late comer to professional baseball, matt carpenter rose quickly, but has still only made it to AA going into his age 25 season. carpenter is likely to start at memphis unless freese is unable to take the field. even with freese out, he has at least 3 people above who are plausible third basemen ahead of him. other than a bad-luck BABIP stumble his first go-round in Palm Beach (pulling in a BABIP of .258), carpenter has put up a .400+ OBP at each level. he walks a ton, has a great eye, and a good swing.
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that, ladies and gentlemen, is your 2011 cardinals bench. i hope we can keep the detritus of aging, sub-replacement value veterans off of it.
sure nuff n' yes i do.
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Renteria: if I had a million dollars… (google news)
and MCC has some cubs-flavored commentary
LaRue: MLB does not seem to have his home run during the clench. er, clinch. it’s buried in extras.
fed. officials plan stepped-up fight against carp
they could just hunt them to extinction and sell them to China…
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
oh, so we can't mention that anymore?
in that case, here’s an SBN blog that got off its butt to do something for a favorite player.
too late, of course.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
not too late right?
isn’t the ad just thanking him for the time he spent in Tampa?
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Dec 18, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
and the rally to restore boog wouldn't have mattered
the Cardinals would still have traded him. But it might have been fun anyway!
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Dec 18, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
wow. Glad we didn't do something that stupid for Ryan.
This idolization of athletes has gone too far. We watch them, obsess over their stats, empty our pockets to fund their million dollar salaries (all of which I can handle), but then thanking them when they leave because someone’s gonna pay them more to do it somewhere else…now that’s fucked up
by mattyp on Dec 18, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
As much as I love Boog, he's not the same player as Carl Crawford.
And you have to remember, that the Rays organization is young. Crawford was their first homegrown star, and has played for the team for more than two-thirds of its entire existence. If there’s a team-player combo that this makes sense for right now, it’s Tampa-Crawford.
Whether or not it’s worth the money is hard to say without knowing how much it cost, and how many contributed, but I don’t think it’s all that crazy.
Could Colby Rasmus hit a ball so hard that even he couldn't catch it?
by Cardinals645 on Dec 18, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
Carl Crawford
is an enigma to me. To whom should we compare him in earlier decades? Tim Raines, but Tim didn’t have the same power. Or the man himself, Rickie Henderson?
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Dec 18, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
Guess that isn't really earlier decades though...
Good question
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 18, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
his #1 comp at B-R, through age 28, is roberto clemente
and wow, are they comparable.
clemente .303/.337/.439 (.776 OPS, 109 OPS+) 92 HR in 5017 PA's crawford .296/.337/.444 (.781 OPS, 107 OPS+) 104 HR in 5383 PA's
Big difference of course was that Clemente had the best arm in baseball, but didn’t steal bases.
Interesting to see Clemente’s career path after age 28, but of course it’s unlikely that Crawford will overnight turn into a .350 hitter.
his #2 comp at B-R is, ironically, Sam Crawford.
Not sure I've seen dumber baseball words: "Brendan Ryan became expendable after (Cardinals) acquired infielder Ryan Theriot." -Joe Posnanski
Thanks
for that. Wow indeed. I wanted to find comp, but didn’t know where to go. Damn Bosox. I sent @ to my Bosox buddy when they got CC and Gonzalez and told him that I hate their payroll. And that we allowed them to break the curse in 2004.
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Dec 18, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
I quite like Kenny Lofton
pretty much all his sensible comps will end up being CF, I think, given his defensive prowess. Which is (actually) where I think he ends up for boston.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 19, 2010 5:00 AM EST up reply actions
I find it bizarre that the basic activities of being a fan are now labeled "stupid" and "pointless"
paying the dollars is weird, but there are rules for saying thank you? that’s very strange.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
you could send a fruit basket
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
what?
Since when is thanking Carl Crawford over a newspaper fucked up? I think it’s cool and classy of Rays fans to do it… You DO pay their salaries, but how much did Crawford outperform his?
he was the face of the Rays when they sucked and a large reason the 5 fans who did go to games did… i might agree with you if the Rays even had a chance and offered him something reasonable or close, but they clearly didn’t…
yeah, i’m pretty sure if one boss offers you a $100,000 (Red Sox) and your old company offers you $40,000, you take 100,000 pretty much no matter what
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 18, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
amen, quit being mad at the people who get paid what the market will bear
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
Sigh. I wasn't criticzing him for taking the money.
I’m criticizing the fans for being so pathetic as to think they owe him that much gratitude. I hate nothing more than when people bring up teachers when criticizing athlete’s ridiculous salaries. That being said…jesus people, if you’re going to take out an ad to thank someone, how bout a teacher or somebody else who toils away doing yeoman’s work for a mere pittance, rather than a multimillionaire who throws a ball around for a living.
i just don't see the problem with this at all
he provided entertainment to them even when they were losing… the thrill of watching him steal, make a diving catch, run out a slow roller safely, stretch a double into a triple
they are thanking him for doing that… plus it’s pretty easy to be a pompous asshole when you make millions, but Crawford wasn’t or at least he wasn’t portrayed that way… “throws the ball for a living” is an extreme simplification of a talent that barely anybody has… if it was that easy, we’d all be millionaires….
also i didn’t mention teacher once….
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 18, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
I know, I did
I just think it’s silly for people to be effusively gracious to a superstar athlete for doing his job, and getting paid millions to do it.
that job just so happens to make millions of people have a better day
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 18, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
also crushes the souls of millions of people each day
Not sure I've seen dumber baseball words: "Brendan Ryan became expendable after (Cardinals) acquired infielder Ryan Theriot." -Joe Posnanski
maybe
but i am in a much better mood at school if i know i have a baseball game to watch when I get home
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 18, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
I appreciate Albert Pujols
more than any teacher or any other person not named Steve Buscemi.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
really?
Steve Buscemi pushes the joy-lever that hard?
I just watched the 30 Rock in which he plays a PI for Jack. Golden.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Dec 18, 2010 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
He's pretty amazing in everything.
Reservoir Dogs, Big Lebowski, Fargo, The Sopranos, Boardwalk Empire, Billy Madison…
man i'm glad i called that guy...
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
My favourite thing he#s been involved in
is Oz. Really loved that series, until it jumped the shark in about the 3rd or 4th season (can’t remember which it was). I think he produced it and directed a fair bit of it.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 19, 2010 5:01 AM EST up reply actions
if fans could not dissociate themselves form the money these guys make
no one would show up for a game
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
I should
bite my tongue, but welcome to the free market economy, where athletes and actors and actresses have been getting paid millions to entertain the masses. And the masses pay. And as you say, people are doing jobs (teacher, nurse, police, firepersons, etc.) that affect so many people for relatively so small an amount. Oh well, it says to me that is what people value – the best athlete, best actor (why?) etc.
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Dec 18, 2010 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
wow, either I'm terrible at making a point (quite possible)
or VEB has a serious reading comprehension problem (quite possibler). Nowhere was I directly complaining about the money these guys make.
by mattyp on Dec 18, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
on your percentages
gotta think it is
100% for Craig and Jay and Laird and
0% for Carpenter and Chambers
In reality I think there is 0% chance we don’t pick up a gritty veteran bench player
Just win
surely there's a chance we pick up an austin kearns
Or gabe gross type. Surely there’s a chance laird has some injury,
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Dec 18, 2010 1:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm assuming no injuries, just a straight competition
TLR has blessed Jay/Craig so unless they do get hurt, they’ll be on opening day roster. I can’t see how Laird gets replaced, why would we have signed him to more than minumum if that was a chance — just throwing money away.
Just win
not sure why you'd assume no injuries.
At any rate the 95 percent doesn’t mean there’s a 5 percent chance that we take on a new backup catcher, just that there’s some chance that laird is injured.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Dec 18, 2010 1:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
if we are including potential injuries then fine
but not sure why we would not take that variable out of the equation. It’s like saying you think there’s a chance that Lance Lynn and PJ Walters could be our 4th and 5th starters in April. I guess they could be if Westbrook and Lohse get hurt —but what’s the point of that conversation
I’ll stop quibbling — bottom line is our bench will be younger, better and more versatile and that has to be a good thing. If we could only move Skip to the bench, I’d be very happy. We’re replacing a lot of innings by our team of 25th players in 2010 with some nice young talent in 2011
Just win
i assume not including september
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
I think a gritty bench veteran type
who can play 3B would be very useful, actually. Bill Hall really was the perfect one (power, can play 2B or 3B, right-handed and so could platoon with Descalso or Skip, or even Berkman). For $3m I can’t believe we mised out on him.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 19, 2010 5:02 AM EST up reply actions
kouz kouz woud great
i’d be glad to have him straight up instead of tastee (~3 war making 3M)
assuming he looks better in the back seat of the sonic convertible, of course
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
i never liked beefheart
the kind of hype surrounding albums like troutmask replica is completely lost on me
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
i've been meaning to listen to the guy for years
now he’s just another corpse whose music i’ve never listened to
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Dec 18, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
Dr. John
Zappa, Capt. Beefheart, Swamp Dogg (the R&B Zappa), what a bunch of crazy musicians. Do any of you know Swamp Dogg? I have about 6 of his albums and CDs. Songs like My Hangups Ain’t Hung Up No More, and his classic Vietnam. I would love to see him in person, if he still exists. AKA Jerry Williams Jr.
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Dec 18, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
I always compare guys like Zappa/Beefheart to Black Licorice
most people don’t care for it. The ones that do (me for both), LOVE it.
youneverknow
Never
heard of them for some reason. I will have to check them out. Report later. I am expecting an Audio engine 5 system to appear any moment by Fedex, so I can hook them up with my computer and 125gb of external drive music, including all of the aforementioned. Neighbours beware!
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Dec 18, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't like him at first but slowly grows on you
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 18, 2010 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
of that genre
I have always loved Zappa’s “Hot Rats”. One of my favourite albums of all time. That said, I think he (and Beefheart) did a lot of garbage too. Troutmask is OK I guess.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 19, 2010 5:04 AM EST up reply actions
Excellent Summary - Youthful Bench
I find it interesting that all of the potential bench players are relatively young players trying to catch on as Laird is the only real vet. I am very disappointed that Anderson will not be given an opportunity to rest Molina – he seemed to perform well last year when he got to play. It is really hard to get excited about Laird.
I also agree that Craig is a guy who is ready to have a good year but he may once again have trouble finding consistent playing time and that will probably hurt him.
Greene is also an interesting guy – we forget but the Cards tried to move Ryan in the Oswalt trade this past year. I found it interesting at the time because if they had moved Ryan then Greene would have probably had to take over as the regular SS. I have to wonder if Greene is the guy that they have in the back of their mind to be the SS because Theriot just seems more like a 2B.
yeah, I'm hopeful that the Cardinals are and have reason to be high
on Greene. Hopefully he socks double digit dingers and plays plus defense while winning an everyday role.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Dec 18, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
About 2 years ago I thought Greene would never be even a replacemnt level major leaguer
but I’m really high on him now. His offense really came on leaps and bounds in the last 2 years in Memphis. I honestly think there’s a good chance he could be an average SS. I hope he gets a good chance.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 19, 2010 5:06 AM EST up reply actions
probably better for anderson to start at memphis
and what the hell, million here, million there
what’s the diff
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
I still
don’t understand why we played Pagnozzi so much in Sept. then released him. What was the point? And he seemed to do OK.
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Dec 18, 2010 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
had to be a personal favor to Tom
nothing else really makes sense.
Not sure I've seen dumber baseball words: "Brendan Ryan became expendable after (Cardinals) acquired infielder Ryan Theriot." -Joe Posnanski
that would be a nice thing to do, but
that is crazy when dealing with players who represent multi-million dollar investments
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
maybe they really didn't like what the saw?
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
More on Ryan from BP
BP has an interesting article on SS moving around this winter and looks at the Ryan deal from the Seattle standpoint. I think this about sums it up. Ryan will be utility infielder, but it was a bad deal for Cards.
“And what of Brendan Ryan? Arguably the best glove at shortstop across the last three seasons…all Ryan seems certain to get in Seattle, defense mania central, is a fight to the death with the equally immortal Josh Wilson for the chief middle-infield utilityman’s role… because shortstop belongs to Jack Wilson.
Perhaps the presence of three plus defenders at short will win the Mariners some sort of artistic achievement category, but piling up defensive metric values doesn’t guarantee better performance as a team… Just because people you’ve heard of are available for a song doesn’t mean that you should sing.”
Just win
pretty much everything i heard suggests that they intend to trade Wilson (Jack) once they fall out of contention this year
so I guess Boog gets plenty of PT if his bat bounces back a little.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 19, 2010 5:07 AM EST up reply actions
whats the worst that can happen for seatle?
they get a utility infielder and backup ss for nothing
I'd say the worst thing
Is that Ryan peters out and doesn’t contribut much of anything, AND the prospect they sent us turns into a quality big league arm.
there's like a 10% that actually happens
I’m sort of on the “Forget about Ryan” boat too, but it’s just time for us to accept that we lost on the trade
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 18, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
rip, captain beefheart
I’m only familiar w/ his work on Zappa albums (Bongo Fury in particular). It’s a pretty amazing album, and the Captain makes a huge contribution. I’ve heard great things about his solo albums, but have not listened to ‘em (yet). Since I’m not 20 anymore (or 30 or 40), I imagine I’ll find ’em a little too over the top at this point in my life to be able to listen to ’em more than once or twice.
youneverknow
I have
a couple of his albums. It is pretty discordant (psychedelic?) music at times. Early stoners music. I wonder if the Coal Chamber, Monster Magnet, and the Atomic Bitchwax nursed on his music.
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Dec 18, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
what's your favorite album?
the two I hear most about are “Trout Mask Replica” and “Safe as Milk”
youneverknow
Unconditionally
Guaranteed, and Lick My Decals Off Baby. Interesting that we were mentioning him and Zappa in the same breath. I didn’t realize that they actually toured together, and then got estranged. This link tells about it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Beefheart#Initial_recordings.2C_1962.E2.80.931969
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Dec 18, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
well
do we prefer Laird, Greene, Jay, Craig, Descalso, or
Winn, LaRue, Miles, Feliz, Lopez,
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Dec 18, 2010 2:02 PM EST reply actions
but tlr?
different answer i’d guess
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
That
is what I was hinting at. Will he be comfortable with all of those younsters (Laird excepted)?
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Dec 18, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
An OPS of .835 at AFL
isn’t really “lighting it up,” being that it’s a hitter’s league. Still, I feel a certain optimism about Chambers. At the minimum, he’s a more satisfactory “break glass in case of emergency” option than some old guy that TLR fancies, and he might also make appealing trade bait, or better, place Jay in that role.
StanTheManFan
Contributes any way he can.
He's normally a nuclear physicist
Except when writing for this list.
the .360 wOBAs
i would consider those “lighting it up”, especially from a speedster
Your team is incompetently run by baseball equivalent of the captain from the Caine Mutiny -DiscoJer
his afl wOBA was like .396. that's pretty much lighting it up,
Especially you only hit one homer.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Dec 18, 2010 2:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
dare i ask what his BABIP was?
Your team is incompetently run by baseball equivalent of the captain from the Caine Mutiny -DiscoJer
i
went to one of the last Surprise games against Peoria or someone. Partly to see Adam Loewen play, another P-OF convert and partly to see the STL prospects. Saw Zach, Adron, Blake, Tony C, and Pete K all in one game. I have followed Adam all of his career. My son played in the same BC league as him. Some Canadian pitchers seem to be ill-fated injury-wise – Loewen, Harden, Francis, Gagne. Dempster and Cormier fared better. Adam Loewen did well in AFL, so I hope to see him in playing for Toronto soon. Another BCPBL alumni who played against my son, Michael Saunders, is sort of struggling in Seattle. It always makes me aware of how hard it is to make the big leagues, and how good you have to be.
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Dec 18, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
.835 OPS is pretty good when half of it is OBP....
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 19, 2010 5:08 AM EST up reply actions
If you're looking for a movie to watch this Saturday afternoon, I suggest "Away We Go,"
Which I just watched last night
Has Jim from the Office, Maya Rudolph, and it’s a really fresh take on a romantic comedy. I don’t know why Rottentomatoes rated it so badly, but I liked it a lot
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
well this was a big fat fail
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 18, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
For those who don't know
Maya Rudolph’s mother was Minnie Riperton, the gal with the 5 and a half octave range who died of breast cancer when she was 31. Her best-known song was “Lovin’ You”. I know Rudolph was on SNL for years, but I stopped watching that show in the late ‘90s, so I’ve never seen her perform. Is she any good?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 18, 2010 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
I would say she was underutilized in SNL, but she was very good in this movie
One problem I had was that I had trouble separating John Krasinski’s character in this movie from Jim Halpert… I could never tell when he was being sarcastic
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Well then you better go find it!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
i like how they call that New Busch Stadium
Your team is incompetently run by baseball equivalent of the captain from the Caine Mutiny -DiscoJer
I agree that this movie is
very much worth a viewing.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Dec 18, 2010 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
Pujols Rumors
Take it for what it is worth. Just heard Heyman on radio. He said AP’s camp said they want more than 30 a year. He also said 90% chance AP signs with cards in part because Dewitt is the best businessman in baseball. Also said Cubs targeting Fielder next offseason because they don’t think AP will be available.
Well of course AP's camp says they want more than 30 a year. They're not going to get it, and that's how negotiations work
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
30 a year if they consider 115-120 for the team would be great, as long as it is no more than 7 years
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
i don't think 30 a year is ever great
unless it’s a 2 year deal
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
he's barely worth $30m/yr now
so damn sure he isn’t in 5 years. I agree – if it’s a 3yr/90m deal or something I can live with it, but i wouldn’t expect a great deal of surplus value.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 19, 2010 5:10 AM EST up reply actions
but not commons from 1952 Bowman
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Of course he wants $30M a year
He wants the A-Rod contract plus inflation
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 18, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
How about we give him the WAR dollar value
that A-Rod has earned since his contract was signed? (about $21M/year).
Not sure I've seen dumber baseball words: "Brendan Ryan became expendable after (Cardinals) acquired infielder Ryan Theriot." -Joe Posnanski
i imagine that will be discussed
dewitt kind of alluded to it in the P-D interview. talking about how some contracts will be mentioned, but then he has to point out the they’re terrible contracts. gotta imagine he’s referring to the likes of a-rod and howard
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
we should offer lee's money
gotta start somewhere
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
so in honor of the ten year anniversary of Pedro Martinez' trade to Boston
I present Pedro Martinez’ average stat line between 97-03
W-L ERA WHIP INN K’s SO/BB ERA+
17-5 2.20 .940 201 252 5.59 213
not a bad performance overall
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
yeah, he was all right
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
Gerald Laird is considered a safe move
but I’d be willing to bet there’s as much risk as Laird sucking as Anderson yet Anderson has much more potential
they seem to associate young with rebuilding as they have failed to give young guys a chance ever seen we started winning (the two rookies who actually got PT were Garcia, who had a historical start, and Jay, who had a Bo Hart like renaissance)
that’s my theory – the team refuses to give the young guys a shot because they are a good team and of course if you are inexperienced you cannot handle the moment or the pressure of winning
I guess I should be happy for now that we are at the very least going into the season with Craig, Greene, Jay (who all three did well enough to warrant a risk I guess)
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
colby rasmus
david freese
the entire bullpen
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
ah but at the beginning of '09
we were not good merely lucky to have hit a hot streak in the beginning
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 18, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
well we went 16-7 in April
and then showed our true talent by having losing records in the next two months lucky to have had such a hot start… we were coasting to an 11-8 record in July when Holliday came to the team and then we went 39-25 for the rest of the year
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 18, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
right, that's the cardinals record
what does it have to do with anything?
by YesWeOquendo on Dec 18, 2010 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
how we weren't good
hence why we played the youngsters hence my theory as it says above….
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 19, 2010 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
also I think David Freese may be the rare exception
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 18, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
much as i like anderson
Laird over him is just an organisational preference (defense over hitting), and I think it has practically no bearing on the upcoming season, value-wise. It’s about the most inconsequential move we’ve made in recent memory IMO.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 19, 2010 5:12 AM EST up reply actions
I have always wished the Cardinals would draft a catcher from the Rule V draft
Perfect spot to stick a fringe player
but most catchers worth sticking there are probably already on the 40 man roster
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 18, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
How would such a player
be superior to just giving Anderson or Cruz or Hill the job?
StanTheManFan
Contributes any way he can.
He's normally a nuclear physicist
Except when writing for this list.
by StanTheManFan on Dec 18, 2010 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
If the Phillies can trade Blanton for anything...
The Cardinals should be able to unload Lohse too, right?
Bob Feller is THE prime example of a cranky old man...working with him a 8:00 AM has to be one of the most dangerous jobs in America.
Blanton's better
not trying to rebound from major surgery, is owed less money, and doesn’t have a no trade clause.
i would call it major, he's the only pitcher to ever have it
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Maybe not major
but they had to call in a guy from Europe about his injury b/c it’s not something Americans every get. that has to count for some “weird/radical” points.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
compartment syndrome is very common
but usually affects runners’ calf muscles
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
actually
usually affects anterior tib muscles. Wrong side of the leg.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
One of my ex-step-father's stepsons had this
in his leg, got it operated on about 7-8 years ago, he’s fine now.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 19, 2010 2:32 AM EST up reply actions
Blanton is decent for his salary...
They should be able to get back a Cleto or two.
Sign Carl Pavano!!!
There has to be a team out there that would take a risk though, right?
his ntc is an issue, but I wish we could shed his salary.
Bob Feller is THE prime example of a cranky old man...working with him a 8:00 AM has to be one of the most dangerous jobs in America.
reply fail.
Bob Feller is THE prime example of a cranky old man...working with him a 8:00 AM has to be one of the most dangerous jobs in America.
If Votto loses even 20 points of BABIP he basically becomes Tulowitzki
while that is legendary for a SS it certainly isn’t in APu territory
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
by TomCat009 on Dec 18, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I love this meme
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
I have decided that it should be restricted to either OT or reply fails
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
well it gets me every time
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
And from the pics I've seen
Rudolph isn’t all that attractive.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 18, 2010 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
Neither is Steve buscemi,
Yet you watch him.
Enter vivaelpujols
My great wit allows me to interject that by assuming the partakers of this conversation are inbedded and perhaps romantically entangled, rather than indeed, the truthful observation that they are both platonic and standing upright. Great comedy may be produced!! -Aranathor
by hazel on Dec 19, 2010 2:45 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I watch him
because Boog is fun to watch, not because Aranathor lives in Wales.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 19, 2010 4:13 AM EST up reply actions
from another point of view
if klohse is would have signed for maybe 9M instead of 12M next year
most would not be as upset; it’s only a 3M mistake
same scale as guaranteeing skippy 2.7
trading klhose and coughing up 3M or so for his salary, no worse than dumping kennedy for nothing
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
is would have signed
evident the wash!
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 18, 2010 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
signing lohse for 9 million would be the same scale as signing Schu to 2.7
wrong…
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 19, 2010 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
Tom Waits talking about Beefheart
“He was like the scout on a wagon train,” “He was the one who goes ahead and shows the way…. He drew in the air with a burnt stick. He described the indescribable. He’s an underground stream and a big yellow blimp.”
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
here's the documentary I was talking about yesterday
it makes me more of a fan to see the personality behind the crazy music. very interesting documentary, has interviews with Zappa and other musicians who played with him, giving insights on Beefheart history
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M5YE_a4B1U
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 18, 2010 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
Mr. Waits is always good for a quote huh
by Redbird99_98 on Dec 18, 2010 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
He is IMO the best quote in the biz
I have never heard him say something uninteresting
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
after the first day from hell, my employer & i have decided to part ways
actually i didn’t really have much a of choice in the matter
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
wow what happened
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
wtf sbn
nobody gets fired from on their first day unless the boss/employee is on drugs or if gdm slept with the bosses daughter (no way in hell that happened)
by YesWeOquendo on Dec 18, 2010 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
wow this is a family blog
the overall reaction so far is exactly how my family would react
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
well it's a really long story, i spent a good 30min trying to explain it to a friend of mine,
and she honestly couldn’t believe it. i’ll try & keep the short, but i can’t make any promises.
i showed up there yesterday morning for a full day of training i thought. well that didn’t happen. the owner sat in his office surfing the web for a few hours while i sat in the office with nothing to do. then we took a trip to the airport to i thought pick up someone, but he just wanted to show me how to do things. which basically consisted of running, yes running in a suit all over the airport. when he saw me sweating because we were running he got mad because i wasn’t wearing a t-shit. actually he was livid. and for a good 5 minutes proceeded to rip me a new on in the middle of the f’ing airport.
we then drive back to the office where he tells me i have to be somewhere 30min away in rush hour traffic to pick up someone & take them to down town columbus & i had another pick up down town at 11pm. now i have told them from the beginning i’m horrible with directions, especially down town because i never, ever go there. i’ve been down there once in the last ten years & that’s really the only place around i don’t know & don’t want to go at least right away because i will get lost. apparently he didn’t care so with no time to look at a map to see where i was going he says hop in the car & go. no training, no warning, nothing, just get in the car & go. and oh by the way, we’re going to family xmas parties so don’t call us if you have any problems. perfect.
so i jump in a car & go & of course since it was now 5pm on a friday a week before xmas there was bumper to bumper traffic. it takes me 31 min to get there so i was literally 1 min late. i’m not even stopped in the driveway when the lady runs out her house yelling at me i’m late. she jumps in the car without even giving me the chance to open the door or explain whats going on. she then tells me what way she wants me to go to down town, which of course is the most heavily congested way. i tried to explain that to her, but she insisted i go that way. so of course it was stop & go & we sit in traffic for 30min. the entire time she’s yelling at me for going this way. i tried to calmly tell her she insisted i go this way, but that didn’t matter. once we get close to down town i tell her i have no idea where i’m going & ask her if she could help me out since she goes here every week. she says no, it’s not her job to know where she is supposed to be dropped of, it’s mine. i said please, ma’am i don’t know the area at all i’m afraid i’ll get lost & make her miss her appointment. she again refused & asked me what kind of driver am i if i don’t know where i’m going. very good question.
so of course i get lost. and i mean really, f’ing lost. i have no idea where i am, and she just starts yelling, and i mean yelling at me calling me names & dropping f bombs which would have been funny because she looked like a nice grandma. but of course it wasn’t funny. so i’m trying to get my bearings & figure out where we are & i pulled over in what probably wasn’t a great part of town, it wasn’t the hood/dangerous part but it was probably close. well this really set her off & she calls the owner. while she’s doing that using the company phone they gave me, i call the other only person i met at the place who schedules everything. i don’t know what her title was so i’ll just call her the assistant. she was at a party & drinking & she was livid i got lost & she could hear the lady in the back yelling at me & the owner & she starts yelling at me. the owner then calls my personal phone & left 3 messages cussing me out while i’m on the other phone trying to get help. the assistant finally stopped yelling & got to a computer & started helping me, but i couldn’t hear her because the lady in the back was still yelling & screaming i was going to get her raped & killed. i finally told her if she doesn’t want me to kick her out of the car & leave her she better shut up so i can get some directions & get her to where she wants to go. well that really pissed off the assistant but i didn’t care, i had been getting yelled at for about a sold hour & i was sick of it. so i finally get turned around & i finally get the lady to where ever she needed to go. i didn’t even have the car stopped & she jumped out & told me to go to hell & was gone. the assistant then starts the yelling again & tells me to get the f out of there & she would send someone else to pick up the lady in a couple hours. all the while the owner is still calling my phone so i pick it up & there i sat with two phones getting ripped a new one. they called me every name in the book & some i hadn’t even heard before. after about 5min they both hung up on me with orders to not call them again & to make sure i didn’t screw up the second pick up i had a 11pm.
so it’s 630 & i have nothing to do till 11 so i drive around & find the place where i’m supposed to be at 11 & then i go find their house so i know where i’m going. that takes about an hour & i go back to the office & sit around till a little after 10 then i head back down town. i think that’s when i tweeted something about how bad things where. during that time the owner called me one more time just in case i didn’t get the first 20 times & told me how big of a screw up i was. i almost told him to shove & just go home, but i didn’t know what i would tell my family. they have been so very angry at me for not being able to find a job, i really didn’t want to get yelled at some more so i just sat there & prayed & tried to figure out what i was going to do.
so i leave after 10 & head back down town & right as i pull up to the place i get a text from the folks i’m picking up if i can be there at 12, not 11. i tell them fine, but i’m already there so if they want to leave before 12 just come on out i’m parked right outside the front door. so i sit there for about an hour & a half & then i see a man & woman literally stumbling out of the place, both laughing & the guy was carrying two over size champagne bottles & yelling WHOOOOOOOO like he’s the Nature Boy himself. of course they’re my passengers so i get out & try & help them. i open the door for his wife & she literally falls into the back seat laughing all the way. the guy asks me if i have any glasses because he wanted to open one of the bottles. i told him no, it was my first day on the job & i really didn’t want him to open that thing & get champagne all over me & the car. he calls me a buzz kill & tried to put the bottles in the trunk, but i take them from him & put them in the front with me. just so i know they won’t roll around back there & break. it was a pretty quiet & uneventful trip to their house, they actually fell asleep & i almost couldn’t get them to wake up when i got them home. he had to sign a couple pieces of paper & i had to take an imprint of his credit card to pay for the trip. he was so wasted he actually handed me one of those gas cards you use to get perks & free/cheap gas. so he digs around in his wallet pulls out a card & i do the imprint & hand him the stuff to sign, he’s so drunk his signature was just an X & some lines. so i hand him the bottles & he screams “marry fing christmas everyone!” and walks into his house.
so i get back to the office about 1230 & i had to wash & clean the car. it wasn’t that dirty but it’s still what you have to do at the end of the day. there were a few other drivers there a head of me so i had to wait a couple hours before i could use the hose & vacuums. they had the Hummers & big limos so that’s why it took so long. i finally got home a little before 3, still shaking & just in shock at the day i just had. i take a shower & go to sleep, not even realizing i hadn’t eaten or had anything but a bottle of water to drink all day. at 8am my phone starts ringing. i knew who it was & i really didn’t want to get yelled at some more so i let it go a couple times. after the 3rd time i pick up & the owner starts yelling again. before he goes on too long i cut him off & said something like if he was still that pissed off i probably shouldn’t work for him. he said i was right & hung up. honestly, i was relieved. after how they both talked to me & treated me last night i was really worried about how long i would have to put up with that treatment. the assistant called me around noon & said they would mail me a check for last night, i told her not to worry about it, i never even filled out a W2 or anything & i was sure the lady would want a full refund & i really didn’t want to deal with it. i have no idea if she’ll send me a check but at least she was nice about it & apologized for everything.
so that’s what happened. unbelievable right? well if you all have learned anything from me over the past 5 or so years, you know that’s my life in a nut shell. pretty f’ing unbelievable. sorry it’s not short. i don’t expect any of you all to read it.
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Okay, I read it all
But don’t you get a severance package if you’re fired?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I don't think it's that type of job.
You really have a lot to learn about the real world, don’t you?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Dec 18, 2010 8:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
no, and i honestly don't want anything from them
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
bahahahahahahhahah
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
by IHeartBoog on Dec 18, 2010 10:30 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
i'm laughing at the idea that people get a severance package whenever they are fired
that’s ridiculous.
i am NOT laughing at GDM’s misfortune. that is sad.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
that's how i took it, i know IHB well enough to know she wasn't laughing at me
well, at least this time
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Rui should read the definition of "at will"
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
Sorry
but you were a buzzkill. I said merry christmas!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
if i had any glasses, i probably would have helped drink one of the bottles
and don’t get me wrong, the marry christmas was appreciated
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
that actually doesn't sound all that bad
i was expecting worse
you could still smooth it over if you wanted to. nobody got hurt. the angry lady seems like she was to wasted to remember anything, and you kinda made up for it by waiting for her
i don’t see what the problem is
by YesWeOquendo on Dec 18, 2010 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
i don't know how desperate gdm really is for a job
but that honestly sounds like a step down from grade school janitor (at least they have normal hours). I’d keep trying for the car sales jobs if I were gdm. If no success there, move on to insurance fraud and you can contact him at Senor GDMesparo, c/o Charlie’s Bar Tulum, MX.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
regular hours are overrated
work the off hours. find a better job during the day. when better job is found, quit spectacularly.
like accidentally ignite one of their cars. they’re insured
by YesWeOquendo on Dec 18, 2010 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
those grade school janitorial jobs are money though
you can get high as shit off that apple jacks stuff they use to soak up puke.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
in my imagination, your life is a norm mcdonald movie
by YesWeOquendo on Dec 18, 2010 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
i've always picture adam sandler & will ferrell
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
what day is it?
uh…October?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
i'm pretty desperate
i’m going to ask the bil if he knows of any restaurants who need kitchen help. he sells food to restaurants now instead of running them. two months ago he tried to get me hired on as a delivery driver at his work but they didn’t need me. he kind of felt bad because he promised me a job & then didn’t deliver. i like to cook so i’m thinking maybe that will be a good place to start. i don’t really know
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
it was completely different from what he said the job was on thursday
the lady was not drunk, she was just older & angry. i didn’t get the chance to smooth things over, someone else picked her up.
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
But... the second job went pretty well, right?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
The second pickup I mean
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
It didn't go as well as the third pick up
when he had sex on me!!!!!!!!!!!!!
REAVE MY SON ARONE
by mysterui's mom on Dec 18, 2010 8:49 PM EST up reply actions 9 recs
Wasted use of the account
Nobody’s here on Saturdays
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I just want to mention how much I appreciate the signature.
Even when the posts aren’t quite up to par, the signature always comes through at the end.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
everybody comes through when im around.
REAVE MY SON ARONE
by mysterui's mom on Dec 18, 2010 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
I knew it was you
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
Don't believe you
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
well, duh
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Jan 15, 2011 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
if i could drink it, i would, thanks mate
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
I've said it before
and i’m sure i’ll say it again. You should emigrate.
We’ve got:
Minimum wage laws
Can’t be sacked without notice laws
and britons are nicer people
we have minimum wage laws.
we also have title VII!
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Depends on the state
Federal is $7.25
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
wow
things have changed since i was making close to minimum wage. last i remembered the minimum wage in missouri was like $5.15
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
by prophetjohn on Dec 18, 2010 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
And it'd been that way since like 1978 or something
Which is stupid because there’d been inflation
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
$5.25 was the last minimum wage job i had in the 90's
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Changed in 2008, increased in 2009
When you work minimum wage, you know these things :)
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
bright side, at least you're working
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Ehhh, not much.
I work at a museum which closes at 5pm. Unfortunately, I have school until about 3:30, so this is not good for getting hours. Only able to work on weekends.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
how much is a bottle of whisky
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
i'm pretty shocked that's how it works, i never would have imagined it would be that bad
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
i told you it sounded legit
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
if there's one thing i've learned, it's this, i will never doubt you again
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
i read it. HFS.
so sorry.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
thanks, it happens, just have to stay positive & keep fighting
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
FUCK!
Every time Skip adjusts his gloves while batting, I die a little inside. -DJ 12-15-10
by mattyfrommo on Dec 19, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
really it's for the best, i feel a lot better about everything today
i’m like weirdly positive & stuff today. i don’t even recognize who i am anymore
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
FUCK YEAH!
I fixed it
Every time Skip adjusts his gloves while batting, I die a little inside. -DJ 12-15-10
I'm sorry but this was my first reaction to reading that
And your tweet of “this is not good.” makes a lot more sense. Had to bury a hooker, right?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
I doubt that would have made him quit
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
I eagerly anticipate the 25000 word explanation, whatever it is.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
damn, that was fast
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 18, 2010 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
That's like...
opening up the Wrigley outfield to grazing goats. Wood and the Cubs should never have anything to do with one another.
Sign Carl Pavano!!!
I can't take seriously art that's all vision and no skill
I’m just saying.
Boog would have made that play.
you saying beefheart wasn't skilled?
he certainly wasn’t lacking in technical skill. maybe songwriting skill
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twatter
songwriting is just one person's interpretation on music
there are lots of forms of music. perhaps his version of songwriting just wasn’t predictable.
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 18, 2010 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
it's also way more subjective
than, say, someone’s ability to rip a guitar solo. i don’t think beefheart was unskilled is what i was saying
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twatter
dude had mad skills
sorry
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 18, 2010 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
1.5 mil for Kerry Wood
he played great in SU for the Yanks
Are you seriously telling me this is the hardcore, Late Night VEB i come home to?
This sucks! I have at least two things to talk about!
I think this is pretty standard for Friday and Saturday nights
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
you guys should stick around just to listen to me ramble
but i’ll tell you anyway Rui, cause i know your lonely
Went out with some old friends, including the
single cutest/hottest/greatest guy i know. Also; he has a boyfriend, but thats not important.
We left the pub at about 1.30 and headed back to his place, we had chatted a couple of days before about stuff and i was expecting some sort of action. On the way back to his… things didn’t go well, he talked about how annoyed he was about the night (esp. a particularly obnoxious ‘friend’ of ours) and stuff in general. My chances were sinking dramatically. In the end he basically forced me to call a taxi and it was only after some serious and intense hitting on that, i’ll leave that to your imagination. But yeah, that ended abruptly and boringly.
Just because there's a goalkeeper doesn't mean you can't score
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
i appreciate the 'soccer' metaphor
but trust me, that ain’t the problem. He just wasn’t feeling ‘it’. Which was a crock of shit….
Were there two things to talk about in that?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Oh yeah, 2nd thing (you really are bored aren't you Rui,,,?)
This conversation took place a few hours after i got home from uni
Mum: So, have you got a girlfriend yet?
Me: No
Mum: Have you not met anyone at university?
Me: …
Mum: Well?
Me: No
Mum: go on, whats her name, you can tell me
Me: There’s nobody, really
Mum: Go on, you can tell me, you usually tell me anything
Me: Its not something i want to talk about
Mum: Why? did she break up with you
Me: No mum, just forget about it
Mum: go on, i just want to know her name
Me: there isn’t anybody
Mum: do you not fancy anybody?
Me: Not really
Mum: does anybody fancy you?
Me: Not that i know of, can we talk about something else?
Mum: why?
… you get the jist.
so I take it you're not out to your mum
by peach concrete on Dec 18, 2010 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
Correct
And, in spite of the generic advice of; ‘its easier to tell your mother’, it really, REALLY isn’t. It would kill her (metaphorically) and probably get me killed (literally)
You should subtly do gay things around her to ease her into it
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I don't think that would work
i’m not that camp naturally, and would probably just make her suspicious. I’ve already decided to put it off til i’m 20… or 21.
Yeah that's probably fine
…you can tell her about the time that chick slept in your bed!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Technically i slept in her bed
And it probably wouldn’t go down so well if i told her the whole story
(me thinking: ‘god.. i wish this was a guy’)
One of my best friends here is Indian
His parents are actually very liberal about things
Most Indian parents…are not, though
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Thats the thing
I mean, i know that you know about all the shit thats hit the fan with my life. If i gave it enough time, my mum would be alright about it. But she would tell my whole family and THAT would be the death of me. Quite literally.
Right. It's just bad timing now
Understood
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
But man do i love mango lassi
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
so you're a British/Indian gay dude who loves the Cardinals?
you should move to the STL, they’d love you in the CWE & other parts of town. you’d be in heaven. you’d never have to come out to the family, but you’d be the star of every VEB Day.
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
yeah, thats about right.
you don’t know how much i wish i could move to St. Louis, get a decently paid job and watch the Cards
i had a good friend who was from india back in the 90's
he moved here to go to college & his parents still tried to run his life. he swore he’d never, ever go back to india, not even for their funerals. i had no idea till i met him just how controlling indian familys can be. i thought my baptist parents were bad, they were nothing compared to his. he was a cool dude but i could never go to his house because of the curry smell. it would almost make me pass out. he had a british accent too even though he had never been to england. that was kind of cool. i used to make fun of him because he wouldn’t eat beef, but he’d eat every other kind of meat. and he’d make fun of me for my epic fail with woman.
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
I had an Indian friend in grad school
ate Big Macs, etc., all the time. He claimed he was a Baptist Hindu.
by ArkansasTravs on Dec 20, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
My uncle came out of the closet in Peoria, IL in the early 70's
And, yes, it was the center of acceptance at the time like it sounds like… my grandparents had never imagined one of their kids would be gay (they literally had never thought about it… people just weren’t gay!) Grandpa came from an old WASP family, grandma was Irish Catholic, neither cultures which really accept homosexuality, let alone any sort of change what so ever — they complain when I play Allman Brothers at their cabin (the band is 40 years old!) so we compromise on Deano, Sammy, and Frank..
Anyway, they’re fun, but they were far from progressive folks… but when my uncle Bill told them he was gay, they both didn’t hesitate for a second to tell him that they love him and they’d support him in any life which he needed to live to be himself.
he passed almost 20 years ago, they still love him (and his partner who they came to care for deeply). Your folks may surprise you.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
That's so beautiful I want to write a screenplay about it
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
seriously, get a room with yourself, rui!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
How was heat last night?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Didn't end up watching it... the download messed up
Watched “Away We Go,” which, as previously stated, was exactly what I needed
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I've stopped wathcing rom coms
they just make me suspicious that my wife will eventually cheat on me.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Which is exactly why I liked this one
The couple was already in love when the movie starts, and stay in love for the entire movie!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
the new paul rudd movie?
I love paul rudd! Then I read about the movie and it’s about awesome ass paul rudd stealing Owen Wilson’s girlfriend… and you’re supposed to be rooting for paul rudd! This sounds terrible! What if I’m Owen Wilson?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
The moral of every rom com?
The chick who thinks she might be unhappy should sleep with paul rudd.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
ksdajlgjaglsd just watch it
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
im trying to get you to sleep with paul rudd here.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
it's pivatol to the plot development!
I guess you haven’t read his screenplay yet?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
no, but it basically reads itself.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
he doesn't have a f'ed up nose either
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
actually, i do
thanks junior year basketball practice!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
uh, well you can't tell
at least i couldn’t seeing the one with you & your dog yadi
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
it's not nearly as bad as his
but my eye doctors have to mangle my glasses to get them straight.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Right there with you
First, nice Peoria IL reference (hometown).
Also, my family is very Roman Catholic, and when my uncle came out to them they took it very well. They understood that it was not some disease or cancer, and because of that I was able to get very close with him; making me understand what it is like to live as an outcast in many ways. He really became a better father than the one I had. It is important to, i think, to get it out there and show that it is ok. I sure am pulling for you Aranathor
Good-bye Boog, we hardly knew thee.
Keep those socks high, the stache long, and the shoulder wet.
P-Town!
St Phils & PND (98) here.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Wow
PND ’05
Good-bye Boog, we hardly knew thee.
Keep those socks high, the stache long, and the shoulder wet.
Thanks for that, it means alot.
I am trying; but in really emphasises the ‘outcast-ness’ when on every single night out people take the piss or emphasise the stereotypes; i mean, yes, i do tend to be popular with girls in clubs, but thats only because i’m not thinking with my balls.
Peoria is a horrible, horrible place.
Ugh. of course, there are worse places. I got suckered into going to Farmington High School for two years.
Yes, the Farmington west of Peoria.
Quadruple UGH.
by mattisnotfrench on Dec 19, 2010 1:05 AM EST up reply actions
thanks for the story
it certainly helps, but its hard to think about things in that way when you’ve heard your mother say things like; “Your dad used to like Elton John until, it turned out, you know, that he was…” Yeah, she just trailed off there.
If it took him awhile to figure out Elton John was gay
you can milk this thing for another 40 years
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
I guess I don't
Understand why there is such a stigma. What is such the obsession with what sexual preference you have? Is that really the most important thing in life? It seems like we should make as big of a deal about people with foot fetishes then too if being gay is so damn important. It infuriates me.
Good-bye Boog, we hardly knew thee.
Keep those socks high, the stache long, and the shoulder wet.
I know right!?
its total bullshit. I don’t even see why i should have to say anything. but yeah, there is a stigma, it is taboo, and it is a crock of ass.
i think a lot of people put pressure on reproduction
and having grand kids and are disappointed.
Or just think it’s icky, b/c they let a book choose their social norms.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
If that's the case, there should be a stigma on couples that can't conceive, right?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
yup
especially if it’s of their choosing.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Indeed.
Those people are selfish. And people with infertility, they just need to relax. I cannot tell you how many people insisted that if I just relaxed…
ha!
I readily admit that I’m too selfish to be a father when people ask me why I don’t have kids.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
And that's totally fair!
But it’s a heck of an assumption to make about someone who could have various different reasons.
Did you punch them in the face?
Cause it would be justified.
by peach concrete on Dec 18, 2010 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
I don't talk to those people anymore.
Unless they’re family. And then I just keep it to the bare minimum.
The other thing people do is offer to buy you fertility gods and goddesses. It’s weird.
That IS weird.
You should buy them sensitivity gods and goddesses in return.
by peach concrete on Dec 18, 2010 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
My wife and I started trying for kids
about 2-3 years after we got married (in our early 30s). When nothing happened after a year, we tried some fertility methods (not in vitro, but the closest thing). Nothing happened with that, so my wife decided to have her knee operated on again (4th operation on this knee), and we started looking at adopting. A few weeks after that, she got pregnant. Three years later, and we started trying again. No go. This time we went the in vitro route (by this time, I was 41, she was almost 40). Again, nothing, so we started looking into adoption again, and I took her down to Denver for her birthday, a nice dinner, a movie, annnnd she gets pregnant again. So, I now conclude that if you’re having trouble getting pregnant, have your knee operated on, go have a nice dinner and a movie, or start looking at adopting (or maybe all three). The one nice thing I can say is that no one in my family or hers were “pushing” us about having kids; maybe because both my parents had already passed away, as had her father, and her mother already had 8 grandkids.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 19, 2010 4:25 AM EST up reply actions
I couldn't stay pregnant until I got treatment.
Fortunately, the treatment is amazingly simple and cheap. Everyday, I take baby aspirin and mega doses of folic acid. BAM. Stayed pregnant.
You were pressing!
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
is she Indian or is your Dad?
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
Just wanted
To show my gratitude for the John Jay reference. i think of that every time i see Jon Jay’s name. Very apropos that little Jay just isn’t as popular for the OF. Just as his namesake would suggest.
Good-bye Boog, we hardly knew thee.
Keep those socks high, the stache long, and the shoulder wet.
This site reports that the Brewers have acquired Zack Greinke
Not on MLBTR yet, not confirmed, but we’ll see
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
at first i was like
and then i see that escobar and cain are supposedly going back
and then i was like
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twatter
by prophetjohn on Dec 18, 2010 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
for reference
the first reaction is oh shit, the brewers got greinke, we fucked. the second reaction is, the brewers traded their future for the next 2 years when they won’t be able to contend, plus it’s porbably not real
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twatter
by prophetjohn on Dec 18, 2010 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
Greinke and Yuni Betancourt for Escobar, Jeffress, and Lorenzo Cain
wat
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
it's worth it as a rival fan
the brewers would be totally shooting themselves in the foot
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twatter
by prophetjohn on Dec 18, 2010 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, I agree absolutely
Watching Greinke pitch that often will also be unbelievably fun
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
why would he approve of that trade? he'll lose almost as much up there as in KC
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
really
they’ve got a similar team to the cards now. i think they contend. i forgot that the only reason they’ve sucked lately is the abysmal pitching. they’ve got a good offense
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twatter
by prophetjohn on Dec 18, 2010 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
their D is abysmal though, and their pen still sucks
i’m not sold on gallardo at all & i haven’t seen marcum pitch so i can’t speak for him. and if they trade Big Veg, half their O is gone. they’ll still probably finish 3rd & they’ll be harder to beat, but i don’t believe they aren’t as good as us & the reds.
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
how are you not sold on gallardo
2009 and 2010 were 2.7 and 4.6 WAR seasons. he’s a good pitcher
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twatter
by prophetjohn on Dec 18, 2010 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
i know it's SSS, but every time i've seen him pitch he's gotten destroyed
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
that's because when you watch him
he’s pitching against the cardinals
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twatter
by prophetjohn on Dec 18, 2010 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
you might be onto something
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
meh
now their SP are almost as good as ours. so, they almost have that going for them.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
forgot they got marcum
greinke, gallardo, marcum make them contenders this year. i think we’ll be battling it out with milwaukee and cincinnati next season
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by prophetjohn on Dec 18, 2010 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
I don't see fielder lasting all year with them
but marcum could be a beast this year.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
if the get greinke
they’ve got a very real shot at the division. i don’t see them trading fielder if they’ve got a real shot.
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by prophetjohn on Dec 18, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
guess i just can't get scared of the brewers
they have three good pitchers and two good hitters that i think are declining.
whoopdy shit.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
got more than 2 good hitters
they’ve got a better offense than the cardinals
middle of the order is pretty solid:
2: weeks
3: braun
4: fielder
5: hart
6: mcgehehe
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twatter
by prophetjohn on Dec 19, 2010 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
again, meh. I'd prefer:
Berkmas
Pujols
Holliday
Rasmus
Freese/Craig
I think Fielder is overrated, braun seems on a weird career path where he needs to rexert himself as an elite player, and the rest are the rickie weeks and corey harts of the world.)
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
if weeks never played the Cards he'd have half the numbers he normally does
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
i think they're pretty even
aside from pujols > holliday >= fielder > braun
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twatter
by prophetjohn on Dec 19, 2010 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
greinke nixed the deal saying "the whole fucking POINT
Was that yuni betancourt and I would play on DIFFERENT teams! The man carries the odor of ballclub death around on him."
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Dec 19, 2010 2:34 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
BCB isn't too tore up
about potentially losing escobar and cain. i guess escobar isn’t the prospect he used to be
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twatter
what about a brewer blog
i forget the proper term. BCB 2.0? BCB lite? soemthing like that
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by prophetjohn on Dec 18, 2010 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
im confused
from reading the comments on this fanpost, i get the feeling they think they are the favorites for the NL Central without a doubt and possibly the NL
are the smoking dope or are they the favorites?
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 19, 2010 1:04 AM EST up reply actions
i don't think they're the favorites
but with greinke, they’re contenders. probably and 87-ish win team. i would put the cards at 90
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twatter
I refer to them as BCBJV.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 19, 2010 1:14 AM EST up reply actions
twitter is telling me the brewers got grienke...
what. the. fuck.
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 18, 2010 11:46 PM EST reply actions
so is VEB
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by prophetjohn on Dec 18, 2010 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
yeah i just read some of that.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 18, 2010 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
it hasn't caught up to kirksville yet.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
i'm in webster, bitch.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 19, 2010 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
woo!
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by prophetjohn on Dec 19, 2010 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
awesome, right?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 19, 2010 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
so webster is behind kirksville?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
no.
i’m just behind you.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 19, 2010 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
creepy
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
ass.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 19, 2010 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
why did aranathor hack fangs account?
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Greinke
only a 3.76xFIP last year. He’s an elite pitcher, but he’s probably not much better than (say) Chris Carpenter or Jaime Garcia who both put up similar numbers last year (but Carp is admittedly probably on the downslide and it’s doubtful if Garcia can absorb the workload of Greinke, IP-wise). I actually think our big 3 matches up well against theirs – Wainwright is the best pitcher on either side by a little distance, and the other guys all match up reasonably.
In terms of 4th/5th starters, I’m going to say Westbrook is better than Randy Wolf, who looks solidly in his decline phase, and Lohse is probably a push with whoever they throw out as #5.
That said, I think their pitching and ours suddenly looks very similar, and I think it’s possible they’re about even with us in terms of position players. Looks like the Cardinals and Brewers are the two best teams in the NLC.
FWIW, I like thei off-season a lot more this year than last. Looks like they’ve identified that their window of opportunity is closing and gone all-out to win this year or next.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 19, 2010 5:51 AM EST up reply actions
Kevin Goldstein
Just spoke to the agent of both Jeremy Jeffress and Lorenzo Cain, says neither of his clients have been contacted by either team.
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
i'm seeing reports on OnMIlwaukee and JSonline.com
but no “reputable” ones yet….
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 19, 2010 1:00 AM EST up reply actions
Fake Dayton Moore
Trading Yuni is one of the most difficult choices I’ve had to make as #royals GM. Hard to see our future without him
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
by prophetjohn on Dec 19, 2010 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
so, let's see if i can something started here:
my job of four summers probably isn’t going to let me back this summer. my academic situation prevents me from getting a decent internship. SO…
anyone got any decent suggestions for me to work (a lot) in the summer that doesn’t involve like hard manual labor?
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 19, 2010 1:01 AM EST reply actions
do porn
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 19, 2010 1:05 AM EST up reply actions
Why no hard manual labor?
You basically get paid to work out.
by spants on Dec 19, 2010 1:11 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
i've never done it in my life
and i just can’t imagine myself being good at it. and i’m in terrible shape now.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 19, 2010 1:14 AM EST up reply actions
i read this comment thinking you replied to my comment
and was nodding my head the whole way
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 19, 2010 1:14 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
oh god.
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 19, 2010 1:16 AM EST up reply actions
wow.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 19, 2010 1:17 AM EST up reply actions
You're young.
You’d do fine. Plus those jobs sometimes pay better and they have regular work in the summer. Josh says it’s character building.
by spants on Dec 19, 2010 1:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
this
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 19, 2010 1:19 AM EST up reply actions
i can confirm both those statements
Although regular work for me = every Saturday
and next year will be my fifth so I’ll get $10.00 an hour… before it was 8
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 19, 2010 1:20 AM EST up reply actions
clearly i've failed him as a father if my son is scarred of a little hard work
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
not scared.
just…..yeah.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 19, 2010 1:23 AM EST up reply actions
a wiener?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
by mysterui on Dec 19, 2010 1:23 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
shut up.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 19, 2010 1:26 AM EST up reply actions
you wouldn't be good at picking stuff up
and moving it around? you’re not going to be supervising the framing of the house, or really playing any integral role for quite some time
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
by prophetjohn on Dec 19, 2010 1:19 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
plus you never know what kind of networking opportunities could arise.
Construction companies need accountants too.
i'm impressed you know my major.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 19, 2010 1:41 AM EST up reply actions
Something tells me spants is keeping a record on all of us
she’s actually an internet cop, working for the NSA.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 19, 2010 2:26 AM EST up reply actions
Are you waiting for the torrent police to come a-knockin'?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 19, 2010 4:27 AM EST up reply actions
not the torrent po po, some other law enforcement? possibly
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
you are correct.
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 19, 2010 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
Apply for a job with the 6th best team in the majors
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
the cubs?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 19, 2010 1:13 AM EST up reply actions
i used to work
for the Army Corps of Engineers in the summers. Get paid a decent amount and the work isn’t too hard.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
for those who have google chrome
there is a Chrome for a Cause… I’m sure internet junkies use tabs a lot like myself so why not donate some things without actually donating
103 tabs so far on the day and right now i have 9 up.
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
stolen from BCB lite
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
by prophetjohn on Dec 19, 2010 1:25 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
This from Rotoworld
A Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel blog reports that the Brewers could be acquiring Zack Greinke from the Royals for Alcides Escobar, Jeremy Jeffress and Lorenzo Cain.
We have a very hard time believing there’s anything to this report, but since it’s all over Twitter, we can’t not cover it here. Expect denials soon.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 19, 2010 2:21 AM EST reply actions
Apparently there's another report out there at adds Odorizzi to Cain/Escobar/Jeffress and subtracts Yuni Betancourt
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
i find it hard to believe
that LaRussa will install theriot as the starting SS and then shift him over to 2nd and sit skip against lefties for Greene to play SS.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
...Why not just put Greene at 2nd?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I'm sure that is exactly what will happen
unless we acquire someone else.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 19, 2010 2:33 AM EST up reply actions
thats what I expect to happen
even if the better defensive alignment would be for theriot to shift over
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
because greene has a manifestly better arm than theriot, for one.
I don’t think it implausible at all. Time will tell.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Dec 19, 2010 2:38 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
implausible? no, improbable? yes
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
it makes absolutely perfect sense to me
I just don’t see LaRussa doing it.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
believe it or not
From May 19 – July 5 2009, Boog (~70%) and TGreene (~30%) split time at SS and three of the games that TGreene played SS, Tony put Boog at SS. TGreene started one game at 2B when Ryan was at SS.
mm. just having my third glass of "la fin du monde"
Mm. Who needs to get up in five hours?
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Dec 19, 2010 2:40 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I've only had it once (5 years ago)
but I have very fond memories of that beer.
(I’ll take “Things that could be said about Rui’s mother” for $1000, Alex)
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
my brother drinks that stuff about 75% of the time I think
he loves it (he’s spoiled though, it’s expensive!)
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 19, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
actually I see MLBTR has yet to update anything yet.
disappoint
also looks like i was nexdef’d so carry on, nothing to see here.
ESPN now reporting deal is a go
sources have it as Greinke/Betancourt to MIL for Odirizzi, Jeffres, Escobar, and Cain
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
oh dear ESPN. Anyone see what's wrong with this sentence?
In the deal, the Brewers are reportedly acquiring Royals outfielder Lorenzo Cain, shortstop Alcides Escobar and prospect pitchers Jake Odorizzi and Jeremy Jeffress for the 27-year-old Greinke, 10-14 with a 4.17 ERA in 2010 after winning the 2009 Cy Young.
My kingdom for a sub-editor….
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 19, 2010 8:27 AM EST up reply actions
seriously. we must be looking at the "d" shift editorial staff
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Dec 19, 2010 8:33 AM EST up reply actions
FWIW as well
this is a hell of a haul for the Royals; the Brewers have basically emptied their farm this off-season to get Marcum and Greinke. This is about as “win-now” as it gets; they’re going to be a pretty awful organisation from 2013 onwards unless they draft superbly (especially after whiffing on their first-rounder this year).
I like the fact Melvin’s added a genuine #1 starter and their rotation looks every bit as strong as ours now (if not even a little more so?) but it’s a heavy price to pay. Odirizzi is a genuine high-end prospect, perhaps not quite Shelby Miller but not very far off at all, Jeffress looks like a lively bullpen arm, potentially, Escobar is going to be an average shortstop for 5 cheap years, and Cain could be a competent 4th OFer.
If we’re making this trade, it probably looks like Shelby Miller, Eduardo Sanchez, Daniel Descalso and Jon Jay, something like that. A lot to give up for two years of Greinke at $27m and a terrible shortstop (who will cost them $6m for this year, unless some money is going in the other direction). This looks like a big win for Dayton Moore, to me. Not often you get to say that.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 19, 2010 8:52 AM EST up reply actions
OK
they’re still paying Betancourt $4m this year to stink the joint up, though (he has a $6m club option with a $2m buyout next year, so presumably the $2m to the Brewers just allows them to dump him after 2011). He likely isn’t worth $4m.
I guess Greinke provides ~15-20m of surplus value over the next two years, projected, but if you chip off the $4m they’re paying to a replacement-level shortstop, the Brewers are likely only making, what, $15m surplus value, tops? That’s not a huge amount to give up for a potential top-of-the-rotation starter prospect, a live bullpen arm, 5 years of a likely league-average shortstop AND a 5-6 years of a vaguely useful outfielder.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 19, 2010 8:57 AM EST up reply actions
gotta think it was moore insisting MIL take him
w/ Orlando Cabrera, Renteria, and Eckstein, not to metion Counsell all better vets who’d probably take 4M or less, I wouldn’t have settled on betancourt
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Dec 19, 2010 9:16 AM EST up reply actions
probably a bit of both
I guess melvin really needed a cheap SS because (presumably) after paying the new guys he’s got very little cash left and there’s literally nobody on that roster who could play short (not that Betancourt can, as a career ~minus 10 defender). That said, if that’s the case, I think he’d have been better off arguing against Yuniesky’s inclusion and just picking up Renteria for $4m.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 19, 2010 9:19 AM EST up reply actions
agree all around
w/ top prospect talent at 3B, 1B, C, and now decent SS, the Royals in 2013/2014 should look damn good. (imo)
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Dec 19, 2010 9:03 AM EST up reply actions
exactly.
ship out soria, and any one else above the age of 30.
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Dec 19, 2010 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
Weirdly enough, Royals Review was going APESHIT about this trade
perhaps partly because the initial report didn’t include odirizzi, but they’re seeing it as quantity rather than quality. To be honest, though, despite being good and relatively cheap, Greinke’s probably not worth any more than they got for him, at least IMO.
I think they’re possibly under-rating Escobar, too, who’s one (admittedly bad) year removed from being a top-20 prospect in all of baseball. With a neutral BABIP he’d have been about league average last year, and I think that’s probably what he’ll be going forward, but I kinda agree that his struggles in 2010, high minor league BABIP and bad winter league stats this year would be a bit of a worry…
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 19, 2010 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
sample quote:
Quantity over quality
None of the pieces are bad, none are going to win you lots of baseball games either.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 19, 2010 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
There seems to be a "mock Dayton"
reflex whenever there’s a move made.
Sign Carl Pavano!!!
by guayzimi on Dec 19, 2010 9:30 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yah, that's what I thought
like they were expecting Greinke to be traded for a barrel of shit, so no-one is quite believing (until they see some neutral analysis of the trade) that he could make a reasonable move here.
It’ll be interesting to see what the Brewers fans make of it. The only opinion I’ve seen so far was very negative. I’ll check out BCB 2.0.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 19, 2010 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
One idiot said that...
there does seem to be a notion that they are faves in the NL Central.
Sign Carl Pavano!!!
I meant one guy said their rotation was better than the Phils'
in general they think they are players now. Not that I would dispute that…
Sign Carl Pavano!!!
That all said
it’s funny how they LOVED the deal until Odirizzi was mentioned, then it went to kinda “hmmmm, I’m excited about Greinke but that’s a BIG haul” very quick…
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 19, 2010 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
Without odorizzi...
it would seem like a steal for the Brewers… There’s no headline, top-20 prospect – that’s probably part of the difficulty for Royals fans.
Sign Carl Pavano!!!
not sure about that
Halladay > Greinke (by probably ~1-2 WAR)
Lee > Gallardo (by probably ~1-2 WAR)
Oswalt > Marcum (by probably 1 WAR)
Hamels > Wolf (by probably >2 WAR)
Kinda depends on the 5th starter but I’d say the Phillies are solidly ahead on all other positions, and by a reasonable distance.
Their pitching is maybe about as good as OURS now, at a push, but I’d still give us a slight edge there.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 19, 2010 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
maybe when considering depth we're better (5th starter lohse is key)
I’m not sure in a 3 or 4 game series I would give us an edge.
Greinke/ Wainwright no advantage
Carp/Gallardo no advantage
Jaime/ Marcum no advantage
Westy/Wolf slight advantage for westrook.
yeah i think i agree
their pen might end up better as well, they lack depth but if they can add a name or two, they’ve got axford who’s better than any of our RPs. Hard to say on the position players – if we can get freese healthy, i think I prefer ours, though, because they’ve got two BIG black holes in CF and SS. Not sure how good Lucroy is going to be at C either.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 19, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
I like our offense as well
It’s still a rather big concern for me on how TLR makes his lineup against LHP.
Moore will find a way to fuck it up
Every time Skip adjusts his gloves while batting, I die a little inside. -DJ 12-15-10
by mattyfrommo on Dec 19, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
Moore will find a way to eff it up
they really need to find a new gm while they’re ahead, and yes, it makes sense if you think about it
Every time Skip adjusts his gloves while batting, I die a little inside. -DJ 12-15-10
by mattyfrommo on Dec 19, 2010 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
I'm guessing he wasn't included because the Royals are pretty set with young talent at 1B/DH
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by Felonius_Monk on Dec 19, 2010 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
He's been playing third base in Milwaukee and AAA and he's been hitting...
I know they’re down on him, but I don’t really get what the problem is.
Sign Carl Pavano!!!
bad defense at 3b, and, despite hitting competently, it's nothing earth-shattering
he’s one year younger than Allen Craig (Craig’s 26, Gamel’s 25). He has a .370-odd wOBA at AAA last two years, Craig has a .402 wOBA the last two years. Both of them raked in AA. Both of them probably shouldn’t be playing too much 3B in the majors, and should be 1B/LF/RF guys long-term.
Gamel’s nice and all, but I don’t see how he has any more value than Allen Craig. He’s probably less valuable than Escobar or Odirizzi, who I think are probably the centrepieces here.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 19, 2010 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
my assumption
is he’s being kept for 2012 when Prince is gone.
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Dec 19, 2010 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
I think so
first round picks are protected, and the guy didn’t sign IIRC due to failing the medical (?). It was a genuine first round pick and not a compensation one, so I think they carry over. They HAVE to sign whoever they pick next year though, which makes it a bit less valuable – no way they can risk picking a potential tough sign like (say) an Austin Wilson.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 19, 2010 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
well, they paid a year of player development for that foul ball
so it certainly wasn’t “free”.
Not sure I've seen dumber baseball words: "Brendan Ryan became expendable after (Cardinals) acquired infielder Ryan Theriot." -Joe Posnanski
I just find it funny
Santana
Lee
Greinke
Halladay
Zito
Now all Mo has to do is get hernandez for us.
MLBTR
According to @pgammo and @Haudricourt, a PTBNL, rather than Jeffress, could be coming to KC in the Greinke deal. Other names are the same.
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