The St. Louis Cardinals and MemphisBench: Morning Thread
by DanUpBaby on Dec 17, 2010 6:01 AM EST
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PrintOkay, so by VEB returning at its usual timeslot I actually meant returning several hours later than its usual timeslot. Is it possible to claim jetlag if you've moved forward in time exactly one hour? I'll have some irregularly scheduled programming this afternoon, but in the meantime no news is still no news.
The news vacuum has gotten especially precarious because it seems we've all run out of Brendan Ryan Angles to discuss without our dialogue getting a little Cabin Feverish, and the Cardinals decided to stop making moves at that moment exactly. So, in an attempt to sidle away from the question of whether or not Boog would've (he would've), I think we're left with its cousin: Do you think the Cardinals will end up with the inexperienced bench posited in Leach's latest article at the official site? Do you think they should?
I'm excited about seeing everybody on the hypothetical bench—Allen Craig, Jon Jay, Daniel Descalso, Tyler Greene—but I think options remain that are better than, say, Descalso for the 2011 season, whether the Cardinals are thinking of pulling that Edgar Renteria trigger or not.
My reticence about the MemphisBench (this is what they would be called if they were a piece of mid-nineties productivity software) stems, I think, from its incompleteness—Craig, Jay, Descalso, Greene, Bryan Anderson would have set my prospect-geek heart a-flutter, but once you start spending seven figures on Gerald Laird the concept is ruined.
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so...
about that VEB late night converging on the morning thread in a moderating nightmare…
But seriously, I would have been very happy with having Bryan Anderson as the backup catcher with Steven Hill at AAA ready to come in should, gob forbid, Yadi go down.
It seems rather ridiculous that we signed Theriot, in hindsight, given what Edwin Encarnacion and Nishioka signed for. I’d much rather have one of them. Both of them have better offensive numbers than Theriot and Encarnacion is at an area of greater need than SS (pre trading boog), yes i’m still in denial. And if you must trade boog, Nishioka has a great upside and would be a very exciting player to watch develop over the next three years at a princely sum of 10 million dollars.
I guess we can chalk it up to Mo pulling the trigger a little too soon again.
Lohse’d
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
"traded for", not "signed"
but the sentiment is fairly the same, regardless
I was reading about how countless species are being pushed toward extinction by man's destruction of forests. Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - Calvin, Scientific Progress Goes "Boink", Watterson
this even further supports my argument too
we could have kept the, admittedly fungible, Hawksworth and signed Encarnacion or Nishioka for roughly the same AAV
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
If you take into account the reported 5mil posting fee
It’s more like 3/15. Still a good deal if he’s a 2 WAR player
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
RIP Boog. FIRE TLR NOW
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 17, 2010 7:51 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
If you take into account the reported 5mil posting fee
It’s more like 3/15. Still a good deal if he’s a 2 WAR player
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
RIP Boog. FIRE TLR NOW
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 17, 2010 7:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ugh
SBN’d
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
RIP Boog. FIRE TLR NOW
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 17, 2010 7:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Did Nishioka sign for 3 years, $10m?
There was a posting fee in addition to that though, right?
He’d have been an interesting signing, that said. I agree about Encarnacion too, although again he’s a player who I think would fall out with TLR almost instantly.
One of the worst things about having TLR as manager lately is that it’s quite restrictive in terms of free agent acquisitions – I literally think about 10% of the players in baseball would be liable to be in his doghouse after a few months, so there’s no point trying to pick them up….
I don’t really mind the Theriot acquisition, as a backup or 2B, as I think he’s got a fair shot of bouncing back to be average-ish and at the price (a couple of mill plus a replacement-level swingman) it’s a decent deal. As with last year, though, as you point out, the real bargains are likely to be had later in the winter. Mo didn’t really learn his lesson that if you wait long enough, a guy who’s just had a 4 WAR year (like Lopez) may be available for very little.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 17, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
Correct, the posting fee was 5mil
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
For what good Floppy's 4 WAR 2009 got us. . . .
but I take your point.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Dec 17, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
He would've got us a supplemental pick if we hadn't been so capricious as to outright him off the roster last year, when the season was basically finished
and until he got hurt and started tanking in the 2nd half he was worth about a win. Final WAR of 0.2 though so I take your point – still, for the money it was no big loss.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 17, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
we would have had to offer him arb to get the pick
and that would have been so dumb. that would have been really dumb
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
unless he accepted arbitration
Then we would be on the hook to pay him.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Like he did in Boston?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
He is a free agent
and did the Red Sox offer arbitration? I don’t see how you can assume that he would decline it.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
They did, and he did.
That got the pick.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
someone still has to sign him
right?
Your team is incompetently run by baseball equivalent of the captain from the Caine Mutiny -DiscoJer
I'm not sure.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
isn't the way it works
is that you get the picks upon that player actually signing with a team? like a team who has a type B that retires doesn’t get the pick?
Your team is incompetently run by baseball equivalent of the captain from the Caine Mutiny -DiscoJer
yes he needs to be signed
not sure of the date
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
so if he isn't signed
because his reputation is bad, Boston may not get the pick. this pleases me.
i hate boston.
Your team is incompetently run by baseball equivalent of the captain from the Caine Mutiny -DiscoJer
also, no pick if he signs a minor league deal, iirc.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Dec 17, 2010 9:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Who not named Tony would consider such?
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
can you imagine a scenario where he wanted to stick around STL
after how last year turned out?
"as long as it agrees with my argument, yes" vivaelpujols
yeahit's called money.
If you don’t want a guy on your team, you don’t offer him arbitration.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
right but he made like 1.3 last year
might have gotten 1.5 in arby, I doubt that is enough of a guarantee to stick in a place with no home
"as long as it agrees with my argument, yes" vivaelpujols
but you don't know that
And Mo certainly didn’t know that back in August. The worst thing that could have happen would be Lopez accepted.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
the worst thing that could happen is
you have a guy two years removed from a 4 WAR season on the roster for 1.5?
"as long as it agrees with my argument, yes" vivaelpujols
who you outrighted. . .
because he was a PITA.
Important fact, that.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Dec 17, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
One of these things is not like the others.
Can you tell me which one?
1.8
0.6
0.9
3.9
0.2
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
why stop arbitrarily at 07
4.7
1.8
0.6
0.9
3.9
0.2
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
how about RAR from 05 to 09
46.6
19.0
6.6
8.9
38.9
the guy has a bench bat worth 1.5 he just shouldn’t play SS
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
two of these things is not like the others
whole career then:
0.6
0.1
-1.0
0.3
4.7
1.8
0.6
3.9
.02
Lopez has been worth greater than 2 WAR for 2 of his ten years. He sucks. And he had an attitude problem. So much so that the team cut him in the middle of the season.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
I wouldn't neccesarily want him on my team
but if it means I get a draft pick I gut it out for a month. The Rockies cut Brad Hawpe mid season, the Rays cut Burrell doesn’t mean they don’t have value
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
We wouldn't have got a draft pick
if he accepted. We would be paying $2 mil for a 30 year old middle infielder who shows up late and locks himself in the closet after putting up a .2 WAR season.
Three scenarios here.
1.) Cut Lopez
2.) Keep him so he is taking time from other players, and offer arbitration . He declines and because he is a type B free agent we gain a supplementary pick.
3.) Keep him so he is taking time from other players, and offer arbitration. He accepts and now you are have a 30 year old back up middle infielder who sucks at baseball and is blocking Tyler Greene
Risk vs. Reward. Cut the bum. Good move Mo.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
why would he accept our arb offer
but not the red sox?
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
ok
If you are making the decision knowing he would decline. Then keep him.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
What I was arguing is that
since they could negotiate with him to get his agreement not to accept(the way he did with boston) why not keep him on the roster for one more month?
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
who said he would have done the same with the Cardinals?
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
they were already paying him
if they waited one more month they would have had the option to find out
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
and if he wouldn't
then you had a guy showing up late, hiding in closest, and not giving a shit hanging around for the remainder of the season.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
this isn't an apt comparision
since they could negotiate with him to get his agreement not to accept(the way he did with boston) why not keep him on the roster for one more month?
Boston had that agreement before the picked him up after he was cut by the Cardinals. So there is no reason to think they he would have made that agreement with the Cardinals.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
a contract and a raise
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
also, I don't feel like Felipe Lopez is that bad
that we couldn’t have held onto him for the draft pick
Fire John Mozeliak
but we might not have gotten the pick
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
looking at the middle infield market this year, I think I would have bet on him declining
Fire John Mozeliak
all they would have had to do
was tell him they would only offer if he refused. If on the off chance he said he would decline then didn’t a 2 million dollar MI isn’t that hard to unload(see Wigginton, Ty or Lopez, Jose)
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
let's assume that's what they did
They told him they wanted to keep him around and would only offer him arbitration if he would declined.
He said no.
So they cut him.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
If you want to make that assumption
you are welcome to.
I prefer to assume they decided to make an example of him, a move i consider to being cutting of ones nose to spite ones face
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
i don't consider cutting a .2 WAR player;
who may have returned a draft pick; cutting off ones nose to spite ones face.
But I think we ran this one into the ground. So I’m done.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
let’s assume that’s what they did
They told him they wanted to keep him around and would only offer him arbitration if he would declined.
He said no.
So they cut him.
So what? Trade the guy. Do you really think no-one would take him for $1.5m in a pure salary dump (i.e. for a non-prospect PTBNL)?
There is absolutely NO risk here evilfrog. None whatsoever. Even if a) we can’t trade him and b) there’s a 50% chance of him accepting (neither of which was ever likely to be the case) it’s a no brainer – that’s a 50% chance of a supplemental pick (worth in the $5m range) or a 50% chance that we’re employing a guy for $2m who we have to either live with or cut (and someone else ends up paying $500k of that).
Any sensible gambler makes that move. It’s a total no-brainer. And, in reality, there was FAR less than a 50% chance he’d accept arby, and in any case we’d have no trouble trading him.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 18, 2010 7:34 AM EST up reply actions
It was past the trade deadline
he would have to pass through wavers.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
what are you talking about?
i mean trade him NOW. No deadline issue i at play. Offer arby, if he says yes, trade him in a salary dump. Someone’ll want him.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 19, 2010 5:57 AM EST up reply actions
and WAR at least fWAR is heavily influenced by UZR
since becoming a full time player in 05 he has WRC + of
121
103
80
95
116
86
Theriot who is set to make 3 times what FLoppy made has WRC+ of
82
101
88
74
in his full seasons
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
Even if he's only a 1 WAR player
if he signs for $1,5m, fine. At that price we can probably just trade his ass for a PTBNL anyhow.
I just don’t see the downside. We basically threw away a supplemental pick in one of the best draft classes in years to appease the on-field management’s (presumably not unreasonable) desire to not play the guy when we were out of the race anyhow (and giving PAs to Miles and the like).
Lopez’s average WAR per 600 PAs is a little over 2, IIRC. He’s an average second baseman, and a better-than-replacement SS or 3B. He also wouldn’t have accepted arby to play for a team where he’d pissed everyone off, and for fuck all money to boot. If he turned down arby in Boston, he’d have turned it down in St Louis.
This was a big mistake, MASSIVE mistake IMO because it was throwing away something for literally nothing.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 18, 2010 7:29 AM EST up reply actions
regardless of his performance
you have to give it up for the sponsor message on his BRef page:
I’m tryin’ to get money like Felipe Lopez!
Fire John Mozeliak
yea don't get
just send him home
keep the pick
after that he’d never accept arby
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
The Riot is going to be the starting shortstop
argh
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 17, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
is the meme going to be TS Eliot quotes in an offensive stereotypical asian accent?
Fire John Mozeliak
it's too early to tell
but that did occur to me as a possible problem
what were the other contenders, anyway? anybody remember?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
What, like this?
Aplir is the cluerrest month, bleeding
Riracs out of the dead rand, mixing
Memoly and desile, stilling
Dull loots with spling lain.
/offensiveness
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 17, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
Guess that should be
Durr loots, not dull loots.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 17, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
he *is* in Saint Louis, now.
it’s historical. kind of.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
th E riot
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
better
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATOTYxs0mec
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
sounds like Kim Jong Il trying to say TS Eliot
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 17, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
has everyone seen this yet?
http://kimjongillookingatthings.tumblr.com/
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
tlr does not speak nipponese
so taught him nothing
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
Woke up at 5
for a project that got pushed back until noon. Thanks, weather.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
That's the bench they should have had last year.
(Minus Descalso) So I would be okay with it. I would be okay with Renteria taking Descalso’s place this year also…
But no Kozma?
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
You think Felipe Lopez shouldn't be playing baseball and you thing Kozma deserves a shot with the ML club?
Enter vivaelpujols
My great wit allows me to interject that by assuming the partakers of this conversation are inbedded and perhaps romantically entangled, rather than indeed, the truthful observation that they are both platonic and standing upright. Great comedy may be produced!! -Aranathor
sarcasim
making a joke. Kinda like Kozma being on the 40 man.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
oh and for the record
I’d rather have Kozma at league min. than lopez at 1.5
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
not entirely sure what this means
but all signs point to me agreeing
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
by prophetjohn on Dec 18, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
i think most people would take lopez
kozma is not a major league baseball player
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
by prophetjohn on Dec 18, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
Kozma would be a worse MLB hitter than Brendan Ryan
and, from what I’ve seen/heard, is likely as bad a fielder as Aaron Miles. He would literally be one of the worst players EVER to play in MLB if we brought him up now….
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 18, 2010 7:36 AM EST up reply actions
Something to think about....
At SS, so far in the minors, baseball reference has Kozma as +13 total zone fielding runs above average (in over 2000 chances).
At SS, in the minors, BR had Brendan Ryan at +13 total zone fielding runs above average (in about 1700 chances).
Despite what you’ve “seen/heard” the stats don’t support your argument.
Also, in 2009, Pete Kozma was judged “best defensive infielder” in the Cards’ system by Goold for Baseball America. He was also named by Baseball America to be the top defensive shortstop in the Texas League.
Again, like you, I’ve “heard” all kinds of stuff about Kozma — but when you look at the stats and the scouting, it says he’s a good (if not very good) defensive player.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 18, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
quite possibly.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 19, 2010 5:57 AM EST up reply actions
Minor league defensive stats are generally not very accurate
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 19, 2010 6:19 AM EST up reply actions
I didn’t say they were “accurate” — I said the existing stats, as well as scouting reports from known sources (Goold, BA), suggest that Kozma is a good defensive player – and that these don’t support FM’s statement that Kozma is “likely as bad a fielder as Aaron Miles.”
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 19, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
But the stats don't really meanmuch
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 20, 2010 4:04 AM EST up reply actions
Give the Memphis Mafia a Chance
There are five or six guys that have been standing on the cusp of being relevant now for the past couple of years. I suspect that whole group (Craig, Jay, Descalso, Greene, and Anderson) back each other up. They’ve grown up through the system together. Now let them hold down the fort.
but I thought the idea was to age the Mafia until they look useless by the time they're called up, and then play them out of position
….wait, it’s not?
GO MAFIA
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I believe this was called...
April 2010.
Brendan Ryan is no longer a St. Louis Cardinal.
Fortunately, Aaron Miles isn't either.
Descalsco is not part of the group that should have been called up
and given a chance….
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 17, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
he can play 2B right?
he doesn’t have to be productive. he just has to be better than skip.
then again, tony would never go for this.
i'm saying that he hasn't done anything to show that he should have been called up
or was cheated of getting a call-up… not even close to the same boat as Greene, Craig, Anderson who have all performed at high levels while Descalsco has been at best average
will he? that’s a different story
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 17, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
doesn't seem like renteria, or anyone of value
is an option with Mo describing the payroll as “leaking” after the Berkman deal. And now mlbtraderumors is saying that the Giants $1mm offer to Renteria showed him “a lack of respect.”
We better hope to see that type of a bench, because if we don’t, its going to be guys like Miles taking up space and getting way more playing time than they should.
Another good thing about having Berkman around, if he proves to be capable of hanging in RF is, with the games he will need to be off, Jay or Craig should be seeing fairly regular playing time so the “not enough plate appearances to stay fresh at the bigs so has to be shuffled down to Memphis” argument shouldn’t be in play. Also, Berkman gives us an a viable option as a backup to Pujols when he gets his rare day off.
Here’s to hoping that Craig proves to be a solid option at 3rd during spring training. If so, that bench construction looks pretty solid. If not, we may be stuck with a late signing of a Feliz/Miles type.
As for the focus on the Brendan Ryan debate, I think you hit the nail on the head. That was the last move of significance we made, and, in my opinion, its the only debatable topic we have going that is not related to late night VEB craziness. For those who are sick of reading/debating about it, forgive us. I view it as the only questionable move we have made this offseason, aside from the predictable veteran backup catcher signing.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I think this is key:
Here’s to hoping that Craig proves to be a solid option at 3rd during spring training. If so, that bench construction looks pretty solid. If not, we may be stuck with a late signing of a Feliz/Miles type.
All of those guys need to perform well in spring training to prevent the wisdom of our FO from making the team look like the 2010 winnmilesfeliz version. I think Jay might be the only one of those guys that would get a pass with a poor performance in the spring.
I agree
but I would be happy if we went into ST and landed O-dog on the Felipe Lopez special.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
While I welcome our new Memphis bench,
I see Aaron Miles and Randy Winn lurking in TLR’s peripheral vision, and it frightens me.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Yeah, just saw that
now a Friar, 2yr/$11.5 mil.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 17, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
Costs a draft pick, too, I think. . . No way Cards match that espcially with TLR's fondness for Skip
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
he had an agreement with the Twins
if he was type A they woudnt offer arb
so they did not offer arb
no draft pick compensation
by jealousblues on Dec 18, 2010 3:31 AM EST up reply actions
Greene can play...
…SS and 2B, as can The Riot; Skip play 2b (sort of) and OF; I don;t see a need for an-udder MI back up. I’d rather see a real 3B on the bench to back up Tastee, and keep Craig in the OF. Joe Crede is still out there, he’s had some time to heal up and would be a ‘leadership’ veteran presence that TLR loves so much. Tricky part would be the price tag. A 1 year deal at 4-5 mil isn’t too bad for insurance…
:=8)
G-O-H-O-H-O-9-O!
G-O-H-O-H-O-9-O!
i dont think we are going to
spend that amount of money on anyone. Our GM basically said he is already over budget when he described the payroll after the Berkman deal. That is why I fear any type of additional signing will be someone who doesn’t add value above the guys we already have and would be signed solely because he has experience as being on a major league roster before.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
budget was reduced by $1-$1.5 mm
when Ryan was traded. Probably the limit of money available for further signings. Luckily for us, Winn, Miles and Suppan will cost more than league minimum to sign. For those budget fans, the Cards had all three on the payroll last year for less than $1.0mm.
I seriously doubt anyone will give Miles or Suppan more than the league minimum this year
probably Winn either. I doubt Miles will find a team if we don’t sign him, tbh.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 17, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Still overpaid
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
Crede
I’d only sign for close to the league minimum. $4-5m is too much for a guy with terrible injury history who couldn’t find a team last year and whose value is entirely defensive (i.e. possibly likely to diminish with a year out of the game and a chronic back problem).
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 17, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
There is no way Crede would get $4-5 mil
not after the last 4 years. Anyone should be able to sign him for less than $2 mil, I would bet.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 17, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
still perhaps a bit rich, IMO
I’m pretty sure Andy LaRoche will cost less than that and a good chance he’s the better player at this point IMO.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 18, 2010 7:39 AM EST up reply actions
I like Mo but he needs to learn to shut his mouth
and he would be much better off
“Low hanging fruit”
“payroll leaking”
“getting a couple 15-20 hr guys”
“good hitting backup catcher”
“improve the middle infield”
by jealousblues on Dec 17, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
i.e., eck or miles, whichever the nats don't want will be ours for the taking?
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
Tyler Greene's
Projections put him at over 80 games next year. I don’t know if that is possible unless the Cardinals see a lot of lefties. I suppose we could see him at SS too, but that would definitely be a downgrade. I understand it is a small sample size, but his fielding percentage in the infield is not exactly stellar (.934 at SS and .936 at 2B in 2010). It seems somewhat risky to take him as essentially utility infielder.
All I can hope is that his bat shines when he plays either position in 2011.
Good-bye Boog, we hardly knew thee.
Keep those socks high, the stache long, and the shoulder wet.
tyler greene
will be the best defensive option we have at SS this year. Fielding percentage isn’t a good stat to quote around these parts.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
He doesn't have a UZR.
So that’s the best I can do
Good-bye Boog, we hardly knew thee.
Keep those socks high, the stache long, and the shoulder wet.
he does have a UZR/150
was -6.4 last year at SS and 3.6 in 09. Career of -0.9. Not that great. I bet someone will provide better stuff from his minor league numbers, but its not going to be me, I’m already out of my comfort zone here.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
His TZR numbers in the minors at SS were fantastic
I’m not sold so far on what I see, I think he’s probably above-average at 2B and average or slightly below (at best) at SS. TZR is generally thought to be quite a bit less refined that UZR I think.
That said, I’m sure he’s better than Theriot there, who has bad UZRs for a couple of years plus some really poor reviews from the LA and Chicago fanbase.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 17, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
Theriot's UZR was only
negative at SS last season, and that in just 29 games at SS.
I’ll give you “average” UZRs, but not bad.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Dec 17, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
I thought it was worse for some reason
I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and see how he does this year. In light of that maybe there’s no real difference between Greene and Theriot (although Greene has a much better arm from what I’ve seen, so if they both play it would make more sense to have Greene at short IMO).
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 17, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
tyler greene's tzr #s were negative in 08 and 09.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Dec 17, 2010 9:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
well then
MAYBE I SHOULD JUST SHUT UP ABOUT THIS, EH???
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 18, 2010 7:40 AM EST up reply actions
I'd bet that he'd be better than Theriot at short
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 17, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
probably best offensive option there, as well.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I agree.
My point is to say I hope he has a great year with the bat because I don’t think he is a fantastic fielder.
Good-bye Boog, we hardly knew thee.
Keep those socks high, the stache long, and the shoulder wet.
The numbers may not show it,
but he has always been rated as a top flight defender. Hopefully that will come out with the wash this year.
EVIDENT THE WASH!
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Been a long time since I saw that broken out.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 17, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
and actually in context.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Not even the first time?
Wait….I read that epic comment, not sure what context it was supposed to be in the first time. Or what it even means for that matter.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 17, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
There was definitely no context the first time.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
twas.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
a google search returns only VEB comments.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
I think the point is that
it has no context.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 17, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
Did you really just quote fielding percentage?
You must think Derek Jeter truly is a gold glover!
by lopey986 on Dec 17, 2010 10:03 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
he does have like 5 of the things
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
futureredbirds
Azruavatar penned this article looking back at the 2005 draft and middle infield options. Has information on Greene from the draft perspective.
TLR has had a problem with not giving guys enough rest
particularly pujols, yadi and miles (rest him everyday please).
It seems like when Tony does give people time off, he sits most of the A team at the same time. Mainly this is a day game or on a day before an off day.
Do you guys like this approach or would you rather them spread out the rest over several days?
i do not approve
it drives me nuts when he runs out the B team. Makes it seem like we don’t care to win that game. But, TLR forgot to ask my opinion.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Absolutely what I thought
Putting a better product on the field for the series finales could have gone a long way for the season. Maybe momentum too if you believe in that.
Good-bye Boog, we hardly knew thee.
Keep those socks high, the stache long, and the shoulder wet.
your right....way too many times last season early in the year
We seemed overly content with just ‘winning series’ instead of going for the sweep.
Its funny though, I recall it working a couple times though. I remember a series finale early in the year in Pittsburgh where Joe Mather batted leadoff (I think Stav and T-Greene started also) and we put up 11 runs.i
by mick311 on Dec 17, 2010 10:58 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Meh
I think every other team does it, too. It’s not a TLR specific thing… He’s just been here so long, we blame him for everything, even when it’s what every other manager does, too.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
. . .
Yeah, every team runs out the B lineup on occasion, I just think LaRussa does it a little more frequently than the rest.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I think if you'd poll every fan base
they’d all say it’s used too frequently.
Myself, I really enjoy the games, as long as it’s young-ish guys starting and not the old jerks.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
maybe thats the problem
I’m remembering all those games in August and September. All we had was a B lineup then.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Yea most teams do it that way too though.
Dusty put out a B-team every Sunday last year. It drove Reds fans crazy.
by mick311 on Dec 17, 2010 10:55 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
We're comparing Tony to Dusty?
Ouch.
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 17, 2010 12:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
it really is that bad
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Holliday and Pujols
The first game last year that both Matt and Albert were not in the starting lineup was Sept 29th. There was one game during the meaningful portion of the season where both Yadi and Albert were out (July 18th post all star game Sunday) while Matt started. If the backup C started, both Albert and Matt were in the lineup
IMO, B team lineup thinking is a carryover from prior seasons. Here is the link to the 2010 lineups
I don't think it matters
but it’s a pain in the ass if you have tickets for a “reserve squad” game with Lohse on the mound (for instance!).
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 17, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
yes, very bizarre approach, but he is pretty consistent about it
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
How is it possible
to hit 49 dingers, and only generate 2.9oWAR?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
is oWar calculated off of OPS?
In this case, it would be by not getting on base that much. and a 3:1 K:B ratio.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
fangraphs has his WAR
as 3.9 that year.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
bref has it @ 2.9, and -.2 dWar for 2.7 overall.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
negative -2 dWar?!?
But he won a gold glove!
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
since when did gold gloves have anything to do with defense??
Jeter has had 3 years with negative dWAR in which he won the Gold Glove.
I think your sarcasm meter
is broken.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Shee-it
Gwynn had an 8.1 WAR that year, .370 BA with 56 SB and a .958 OPS, and finished 8th in the voting, while E Davis had 8.0 WAR, .293 BA, 50 SB, 37 HR, a .991 OPS, and finished 9th.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 17, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, I found this while researching part 2 of my fanpost...
Gwynn, Ozzie, and Davis all should have been way ahead of him.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Clark as well.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
and pretty much everyone else on that list.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
hey now
it’s not easy hitting that many homeruns and leading your team to a last place finish. lighten up on the guy
Every time Skip adjusts his gloves while batting, I die a little inside. -DJ 12-15-10
Scroll up and look at Wade Boggs and where he finished in the voting.
Um. Yeah.
Boog woulda.
by The Continental on Dec 17, 2010 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
every guy's dream
to be a professional for a day
http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=5927810
absolutely awesome
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
that's really cool
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
The Cards should have done that
this year, after they were out of it. Have a lottery every game for the 25th man slot. It probably would have increased ticket sales as much, if not more, than the discounts.
by ArkansasTravs on Dec 17, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
well there goes that pipe dream
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
someday...
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
shit
this means eckstein is officially looking for suitors…
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
available middle infielders
it’s like a reunion of sorts. mlbtraderumor’s free agent tracker has 22 unsigned MIF free agents. 8 of the 22 of the list played for the Cards – David Eckstein, Adam Kennedy, Julio Lugo, Aaron Miles, Mark Grudzielanek, Felipe Lopez, Edgar Renteria and Ronnie Belliard.
sign them all to minor league deals
and let them fight to the death gladiator style in ST. If any of them survives, they get a roster spot. Smart money would be on Miles though, he’s the only one who has actually been in that situation as far as we know.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Some must sign with a TLR team
Eckstein, Miles, even Kennedy… Gritty. Worth 5 mil easily
Good-bye Boog, we hardly knew thee.
Keep those socks high, the stache long, and the shoulder wet.
plus. . .
you could sell it as a reality show. MLB network hasn’t done any reality TV yeet, has it?
by SouthsideCardsFan on Dec 17, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hmmm
Isn’t baseball reality?
Good-bye Boog, we hardly knew thee.
Keep those socks high, the stache long, and the shoulder wet.
Oh
I thought that was only the lunar landing
Good-bye Boog, we hardly knew thee.
Keep those socks high, the stache long, and the shoulder wet.
Yadi4, I appreciate that you are available to back me up
overplaying on VEB has been hell on my knees
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Should I
stop taking your playing time? I mean you have been on the team longer.
Good-bye Boog, we hardly knew thee.
Keep those socks high, the stache long, and the shoulder wet.
nah
my product is unique but largely useless
besides, one day we can change our avatars to match, and then see how quickly azru tries to kill us
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I would pay money to see the mushroom cloud that evokes.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 17, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
speaking of your product.....
can you find the picture of a wizard. This is now bothering me immensely.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
oh, found out that SBN deletes old front page pictures *and* their captions, have you?
oh yes. it does that.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Also all of the re-links.
I’ll have to check to see if I put it on P bucket or something.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
and yet, still no word as to whether SBN allows exporting to its mods.
just today, Yahoo shut down delicious. half my online social circle freaked out.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
no, it was a Dodger, wasn't it?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
The one that spawned them all,
not kemp, the grounds crewman.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I want to say it's close to a Nationals series with a rainout.
I think it was the same series as the couple in the rain… with the guy who came down from Maine to see his Washington Nationals game.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
oh I found the original thread,
and the one that I dropped a carrot to to find it.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
you're gonna have to try AP and/or Getty
sure does render a lot of VEB exchanges incomprehensible. I mean, more than usual.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I just got tim-rolled
/pothead joke
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
No.
And there was no lunar landing either; it was all a conspiracy.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Dec 17, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
Yep they have.
Did a series called “the club” chronicling the front office of the white sox during spring training. Kind of a hard knocks style deal for baseball, but far less entertaining.
by lopey986 on Dec 17, 2010 2:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Grudzielanek hasn't played for nearly 2 years has he?
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 17, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
IN THE BEST SHAPE OF HIS LIFE!
Brendan Ryan is no longer a St. Louis Cardinal.
Fortunately, Aaron Miles isn't either.
by TBender on Dec 17, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Bet his joints are healed up nicely by now.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 17, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
His name hasn't recovered yet.
I was happy the day I heard Harry Carey pronounce Grudzielanek.
Brendan Ryan is no longer a St. Louis Cardinal.
Fortunately, Aaron Miles isn't either.
Carey used to call the Rockies OF
Donald Bishetti
"as long as it agrees with my argument, yes" vivaelpujols
He plays midfield for Milan, right?
Brendan Ryan is no longer a St. Louis Cardinal.
Fortunately, Aaron Miles isn't either.
you can only imagine what he did to
Andres Galaraga
"as long as it agrees with my argument, yes" vivaelpujols
It's too bad that he passed
before Fukudome arrived.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Tribune Co. Conspiracy?
Brendan Ryan is no longer a St. Louis Cardinal.
Fortunately, Aaron Miles isn't either.
you saying they had a long term plan and pulled it off?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 17, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Ever watch Max Headroom?
Media companies rule everything!
Brendan Ryan is no longer a St. Louis Cardinal.
Fortunately, Aaron Miles isn't either.
Damn spreadsheets.
I completely misread this comment.
Well played, sir. Well played.
Brendan Ryan is no longer a St. Louis Cardinal.
Fortunately, Aaron Miles isn't either.
Kiki Valero
Solanus and I were in Los Angeles in preparation for watching a Cards game at Dodger Stadium, and we caught the FS Dodgers broadcast. When Kiko Calero came in to pitch, they called him Kiki Valero. I don’t remember whether they also had the stat line with the incorrect name too or not.
Ms Bitters (Invader Zim): Children, your performance was miserable. Your parents will all receive phone calls instructing them to love you less now.
his oily half brother?
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
when he's 37
and hits like aaron miles
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
that seems a little more
than I would’ve been comfortable spending on Hudson… but that’s just me.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
eh... maybe not.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
it does seem more than most folks speculated here
or hoped for, or proposed, whatever. Definitely more than the Cards would be willing/able to add after Berkman, etc.
by ArkansasTravs on Dec 17, 2010 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
Well, it was "either/or" hudson/berkman
And around $6M aav was about what most had him tagged for.
That second year might be ugly, though.
Not sure I've seen dumber baseball words: "Brendan Ryan became expendable after (Cardinals) acquired infielder Ryan Theriot." -Joe Posnanski
Right,
I don’t think anyone thought there was room for both, but I seem to recall several folks suggesting signing O-dog for $4M. It seems apparent that he would not have taken such an offer.
by ArkansasTravs on Dec 17, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
preferred over theriot for 3/yr
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
That's a pretty good deal
seems weird that the teams signing these guys to cheap, smart deals, are all the ones run by good, smart, front offices. Hmmmm…
That said, not sure I’d want to give him a 2-year deal at his age. It’s still probably better than 1/$8m for Berkman though.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 17, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
Hudson
I dont see why we couldnt have had this guy
I bet he would have brought more to our team than Theriot does.
Theriot is making over 3 mil this year I believe and I assume Hudson is making a little over 5 mil (dont know how they will split up that 11 mil but they usually do more the second year).
He would have hit just as well as Theriot and played great defense.
Too bad this team is more annoyed by Ryans personality than they are with losing games.
I really dont mind Ryan going if only they would have upgraded ss (or 2b). But they just didnt and that really annoys me as a fan.
by jealousblues on Dec 17, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
I'd rather have Theriot for one year at 3.3 million
than Hudson for two at 5.5 million/year… especially since Hudson can’t play SS
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 17, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
It's still to be seen
if Eriot can play SS.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
i know he has a comparison to miles
but his true talent fielding at SS is at worst average
he had a negative year last year, but the previous three he was at least +1.7
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 17, 2010 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
The last two teams he played for,
decided that he couldn’t, which means something to me.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
No, the Cubs just wanted to have Starlin Castro at SS
which says more about the Cubs organisation than it does Theriot
And the Dodgers put a guy there that had played 20 some odd games over the last four years
instead of him.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
he played about 300 games in '08 and '09
and was +1.7 and +3.7 in those years….
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 17, 2010 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
To be fair he also totally stopped hitting last year
in a Ryan-esque slump/period of bad luck. Not much surprise they don’t want a guy whose defense is mediocre playing SS if he’s sub-Mendoza.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 18, 2010 7:46 AM EST up reply actions
And now he's our starting SS because.......well, you know.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 18, 2010 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
why not keep him for 2nd for the scrubs?
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
because they got blake dewitt from the dodgers
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
interesting
I wonder what Hudson + Greene vs Theroit + Skip would do
by jealousblues on Dec 17, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
So Gaudin gets a Minor League contract from the Natinels
would have been an interesting swing man canidate
"as long as it agrees with my argument, yes" vivaelpujols
we were hoping hazel wouldn't see that
or is it vep? One of those two bang that drum loudly.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
What I can't believe
is how Beane was able to grab two OF who can play multiple positions with .363 and .378 wOBA’s for a couple of B prospects
"as long as it agrees with my argument, yes" vivaelpujols
He's a wizard.
And you can suck it SBN. I was gonna post the wizard pic, but it seems that SBN / the intertubes ate it.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Most of the sabr-minded folks here, including me, bang that drum loadly
because he’s been a basically average starter when he’s been given the chance, and is excellent as a ROOGY from the pen. He has a bad platoon split vs lefties but gets righties out well enough that he can manage as a SP, and is probably better than Lohse right now.
He’s been the best FAT pitcher around for about 2 years now. He’s bound to catch on somewhere successfully eventually.
I’m also a bit sad (although Westbrook is probably better) we didn’t get in on Kevin Correia this year – league average pitcher who’s shown improvement 3 straight years, and he was signed for 2 years for half the money we gave Westie.
Correia + Gaudin, keep Boog, same deal for Berkman, and sign Hudson with the money we saved on Theriot and Westbrook. Job done, and we get a draft pick (I think?) for letting Westbrook go.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 17, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
no me gusta.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 17, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
Gaudin's history (a rehash I think):
Washington is his ninth team since being drafted in 2001 by the Rays.
Since 2004:
TB traded him
TOR traded him
OAK traded him
CHI released him
SD let NYY buy him
NYY released him
OAK released him
NYY let him walk
WAS signed him
Brendan Ryan is no longer a St. Louis Cardinal.
Fortunately, Aaron Miles isn't either.
So what are the teams seeing that SABR are missing?
Brendan Ryan is no longer a St. Louis Cardinal.
Fortunately, Aaron Miles isn't either.
well obviously he keeps getting a look
you have to be pretty good to get 9 MLB teams to sign you
"as long as it agrees with my argument, yes" vivaelpujols
Or be Todd Zeile.
Brendan Ryan is no longer a St. Louis Cardinal.
Fortunately, Aaron Miles isn't either.
A number of those teams have excellent pitching anyhow
and in a couple of cases he just didn’t fit in for roster-based reasons.
Other than that, it’s hard to say. He has a 4.61 ERA, and 4.69 FIP and xFIP in 600+IP. That’s better than most teams’ 5th starter, and better than many teams 4th. His numbers are also BETTER as a SP than as a reliever.
He has a bad split against lefties but against RHB his career FIP is a little over 4, and it’s been under 4 in the last few years, so as a middle-reliever he has some value as ROOGY-type over and above just pitching mop-up.
Not sure if he’s had any discipline or off-field issues but I’m not aware of any. He sucked last year although he was extremely unlucky on flyballs.
So in summary – I don’t know. He looks like a solid pitcher who keeps falling through the cracks for some reason. I guess he wouldn’t be the first, though.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 18, 2010 7:53 AM EST up reply actions
regarding jet lag
I was out in denver the week before the time change so I had an extra week to adjust to daylight losings time. When I got back, my tech kept saying she thought I was jet lagged. Couldn’t get it through to her that I’d actually had a week to get adjusted to being on the new time.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
i think some people don't really understand that
jet lag isn’t just being tired from being on an airplane and you actually have to travel large longitudinal distances for it to affect you.
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
I actually like Renteria as a guy to possibly get, if he's on the market for $4m or so
my only concern is that I think he might be yet another player that TLR won’t get on with – from what I recall, he had a few parting shots at the Cardinals in the media after he went to Boston, even though he’s said in recent years we’re a team he’d like to play for again?
The fact that he’s still (apparently) a competent shortstop at 35 years of age (if you believe UZR that is) alone should make him worth pursuing. I’m personally hoping to see plenty of Tyler Greene at that position this year, but we could do worse than Renteria. Just as long as we don’t have to watch 100+ games of Theriot booting balls and showing off Schumaker-esque range at SS I’ll be happy…
Still bitching to contact.
La Russa LOVES Edgar.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
The only people who didn't like El Capitain
were the fans who don’t realize he made a business decision and went to the team offering the most money. Edgar was pretty classy when he left, in my opinion
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
It was like your girl friend breaking up with you
And going with the guy that just beat you up because his dick was half an inch bigger.
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 17, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
See!
I wouldn’t blame her! He’s obviously better than me!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
my girlfriend says that i am neither grower nor shower.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
nope she hardly even feels it.
her favorite sex act is “The Disappointed Sigh”
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
by SheckieZx on Dec 17, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
yep... i'm done.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
so he is a shower?
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
I call that the
perfect for Anal penis
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 17, 2010 3:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That's what your mom said last night.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Dec 17, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
thanks flim
as Jack Nicholson sang in that movie where Greg Kinnear is gay…
“always look on the bright side of your life”
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
as good as it gets
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
I've seen better.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
every nite
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 17, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
Is that like some sort of were-penis
that surges with lycanthropic might during the full moon?
And hell no, I do not follow any of that Twilight crap, other than noting that Kristen Stewart is a tasty dish.
Ms Bitters (Invader Zim): Children, your performance was miserable. Your parents will all receive phone calls instructing them to love you less now.
yikes
i am pretty uncomfortable knowing certain things about vebers
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Wanna hear a joke?
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
I don't want to hear your life story
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 17, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
i just gave you a rec 2 comments above
and that is how you repay me?
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Kosuke Fukudome will make 13.5 million dollars this year
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Bigger joke...
Milton Bradley: 12 mil
Good-bye Boog, we hardly knew thee.
Keep those socks high, the stache long, and the shoulder wet.
Carlos Lee
$18.5 mil for 2011 and $18.5 for 2012.
Brendan Ryan is no longer a St. Louis Cardinal.
Fortunately, Aaron Miles isn't either.
um
wrong team
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
it's still super hillarious
that guy sucks
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 17, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
the original contract has been over for a year now, but AZ just gave him
a BP contract
"as long as it agrees with my argument, yes" vivaelpujols
Hampton was kind of like the original Werth contract
an overpay by a team looking to send a message, unfortunately that message was mostly “we don’t evaluate pitchers well”
"as long as it agrees with my argument, yes" vivaelpujols
by TomCat009 on Dec 17, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
that one and the Jason Schmidt one didn't make ANY sense
"as long as it agrees with my argument, yes" vivaelpujols
WE almost gave Schmidt that contract, IIRC
Your team is incompetently run by baseball equivalent of the captain from the Caine Mutiny -DiscoJer
Really? Ouch
I can’t believe anyone wanted him at 5 mil per. let alone what he got
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
I (along with quite a few others) was pretty upset we didn't.
Stupid me.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
I'll admit to being one of those, as well.
Every time Skip adjusts his gloves while batting, I die a little inside. -DJ 12-15-10
My signature read
“Sign Jason Schmidt” for several months. My only excuse is that I’m not a doctor.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
I watched him pitch up close
towards the end in SF he had been in decline for a year or two just didn’t seem to have the same stuff
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
I knew he would break down..
You fools need to wise up when it comes to overpaying for FA pitchers.
Sign Carl Pavano!!!
Repeatedly throwing baseballs at nearly 100mph is not good for your health.
Probably a good thing for most GMs to remember…
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 18, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
He'd injure himself doing that...
…maybe he can fill the machine with balls
G-O-H-O-H-O-9-O!
G-O-H-O-H-O-9-O!
Seriously?
Moving parts?
Brendan Ryan is no longer a St. Louis Cardinal.
Fortunately, Aaron Miles isn't either.
considering how bad their bullpen was last year
maybe they should have let their batting practice guys have a shot
"as long as it agrees with my argument, yes" vivaelpujols
see this is fun
it makes me feel better about the cards to make fun of how stupid the cubs are
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Kyle Lohse, $12m for the next TWO YEARS.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 18, 2010 7:55 AM EST up reply actions
Dude, What's up with St. Louis?? :=8/
http://blastr.com/2010/12/color-blind-thor-casting-sparks-hate-group-outrage.php
G-O-H-O-H-O-9-O!
G-O-H-O-H-O-9-O!
Well...
….there was an awful skinhead band called Skrewdriver, maybe they got mixed up?
:=8/
G-O-H-O-H-O-9-O!
G-O-H-O-H-O-9-O!
that's incredibly embarrassing
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 17, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
A flying magical immortal guy with a lightning shooting hammer,
(who is black)
is just unrealistic!
Enter vivaelpujols
My great wit allows me to interject that by assuming the partakers of this conversation are inbedded and perhaps romantically entangled, rather than indeed, the truthful observation that they are both platonic and standing upright. Great comedy may be produced!! -Aranathor
he isn't playing Thor
he’s playing a secondary character. Which should also get the black racists excited.
Well done, Marvel!
Not sure I've seen dumber baseball words: "Brendan Ryan became expendable after (Cardinals) acquired infielder Ryan Theriot." -Joe Posnanski
To be honest, I agree; this casting is totally fucking unrealistic.
The guy was shot like 20 times by Omar and Brother Mouzone, and now apparently he’s some sort of Norse God? GET WITH THE PROGRAMME, MARVEL!
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 18, 2010 7:57 AM EST up reply actions
so if the Cardinals do the opposite of what most of VEB says
does that mean we should clamor for the opposite of what we want?
just a theory.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Sounds good
Mo, don’t even think about signing El Hombre. Big mistake
Good-bye Boog, we hardly knew thee.
Keep those socks high, the stache long, and the shoulder wet.
on second thought, we may anger the GOB
this may be a catch-22.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
you really are so well mannered, just like a
"as long as it agrees with my argument, yes" vivaelpujols
haha
reminds me of the story of Lord Sailsbury, prime minister during the 19th century. After the American Civil War, where the British supported the confederates, in return for cheap cotton prices… it was a simpler time. Britain had built and equipped a battleship, the USS Alabama and supplied it to the confederates. The Alabama opened a can of whoop-ass on the Union ships and merchant vessls. After the war ended the Union government sent a letter to Sailsbury requesting compensation for the destruction caused by the Alabama. Six months later; Sailsbury returned the letter with the spelling mistakes corrected.
Also he died on his snooker table making sweet, victorian love to his maid
(he was married at the time). His butler, upon discovering the corpse, dressed him and put him in his bed, telling the doctors he had died peacefully in his sleep
Salisbury was in Parliament at the time. He became PM in 1885.
From Wikipedia:
During the American Civil War the Confederate ship CSS Alabama had been built in an English port and had subsequently damaged Union shipping. In 1872 Gladstone settled the Alabama Claims by giving the United States $15,500,000 as part of the Treaty of Washington.
the British school system just makes shit up!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
No, actually.
By the time the 1870’s rolled around the USA was actually looking dangerous again, hence Gladstone HAD to deal with them, also it fitted in with Gladstone’s world philosophy of states working together (he was way ahead of his time). By contrast; when the US sought compensation from the PALMERSTONE govt. (sorry, literally just realised my mistake). they weren’t in such a good position; also the whole ‘American Revolution’ thing hadn’t gone down so well.
LORD PALMERSTON!
PIT THE ELDER!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Also i'm quite proud of myself
i had to google ‘1st American President’ to check it was that Washington bloke.
First british prime minister?
oh hell, last two British Prime Ministers?
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
I know
Dave Cameron – Same name as Fangraphs guy
Some guy
Tony Blair – Guy who messed up with Bush
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 17, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
wrong
it’s spelled Ramsay. Get your facts straight
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Gordon Matthew Thomas Sumner
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
I'm not surprised your country's history teachers suck
most of the history books were probably lost during all of the wars you guys were losing before we had to bail your asses out.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Says the British guy
Whose police are beating students
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 17, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
only to our oppressed masses though
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
we cut straight to the guns and teargas.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
bullshit
our student abuses are hilarious
did everyone forget about the “don’t tase me bro” bro?
by YesWeOquendo on Dec 17, 2010 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
At least our oppressed masses don't have to measured in something stupid like chains or furlongs.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
We still use furlongs to measure
a massive press of horses running around ovals.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 17, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
(Slaps self on back)
For achievements of others
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 17, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
That's the American way!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Stands and Salutes
Oh, say can you see by the dawn’s early light
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight’s last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars thru the perilous fight,
O’er the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming?
And the rocket’s red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there.
Oh, say does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave?
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 17, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The kind that doesn't suck?
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
kind you write when you are kicking
some British ass?
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
The Best in the World!
Brendan Ryan is no longer a St. Louis Cardinal.
Fortunately, Aaron Miles isn't either.
asked the man via a rhetorical question.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
imo most national anthems suck. they were all written 100 years ago
this should be our new national anthem
canada's anthem is cool
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
this
did you see when the fans started singing it during the curling match in the Olympics? That was awesome. Almost made me wish I was Canadian. ok not really, but damn that was cool.
i didn't see that, but i love hearing it
before a hockey game. Classic
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
it is a rip of GSTQ
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
no
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meLpuF9UMvk
You know an anthem is good when it can give you chills and you’re not even from there.
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
The Estonian one, I think it is, is totally awesome
it’s all about killing Russians and their blood flowing freely in the streets.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 18, 2010 8:02 AM EST up reply actions
i'll rec America
America!
Your team is incompetently run by baseball equivalent of the captain from the Caine Mutiny -DiscoJer
Sung, let us observe,
usually badly, inevitably too slowly, and far too often with flatted leading tones, to the tune of an English drinking song.
The Mang does more than Milton can
To justify God's ways to man.
Let's talk about British baseball players.
Oh wait…..shit.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 18, 2010 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
Ha. Exactly the response I was about to type...
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 18, 2010 8:00 AM EST up reply actions
Speaking of Salisbury (cheese) Steak
JSalisburyCSN (Jim Salisbury)
There will be no deal between Phillies and lefty reliever Dennys Reyes, according to a source. Two sides have parted ways.
4 minutes ago
Me thinks he couldn’t pass a physical maybe.
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
So the Viscount died on the snooker table?
Similar thing allegedly happened to “Dutch” Morial, former mayor of New Orleans, father of Marc Morial of the Urban League.
nelson rockefeller liked this comment.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Dec 17, 2010 9:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The Alabama never really got into a lot of battles
with the Union Ships, I can find one on Wiki with the designation USS, other than when she was sunk in France. It mostly went after unarmed whalers and merchants, from what I recall.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Yeah, i'm recalling the story from a couple of years back.
If i remeber rightly; it didn’t sail under any colours so it could get close to merchants etc and then sink them
No they flagged well after they left England and switched crews.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I was going to say
“in that case, babies don’t come from there, either”
but that might send this thread off a cliff
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I find it hard to believe that someone would manipulate history just for a story.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Swindon: I can't believe it! What will history say?
BURGOYNE. History, sir, will tell lies, as usual.
- Bernard Shaw, The Devil’s Disciple
The Mang does more than Milton can
To justify God's ways to man.
Initially known as hull number 290, the ship was launched without fanfare on 29 July 1862 as Enrica. Agent Bulloch arranged for a civilian crew and captain to sail Enrica to Terceira Island in the Azores. With Bulloch staying aboard to witness her recommissioning, the new ship’s captain, Raphael Semmes, left Liverpool on 5 August 1862 aboard the steamer Bahama to take command of the new cruiser. Semmes arrived at Terceira Island on 20 August 1862 and began overseeing the refitting of the new vessel with various provisions, including armaments, and 350 tons of coal, brought there by Agrippina, his new ship’s supply vessel. After three days of back-breaking work by the three ship’s crews, the new ship was transformed into a naval cruiser, designated a commerce raider, for the Confederate States of America.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Oh, indeed.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
That would be the CSS Alabama
to nitpick. On the Department of the Navy’s official historical site they do list two battles with Union ships, one a victory off the Texas coast in 1863 and the other the Alabama’s final defeat off the French coast in 1864.
by ArkansasTravs on Dec 17, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
who would rather see Tyler Greene at SS?
than el riot? I think I’d like to see that. especially if it means mr. riot can start at 2B
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 17, 2010 1:40 PM EST reply actions
I'm hoping for a platoon really though
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 17, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
I remain a Tyler Greene fan
I think he has big time breakout potential. He’s exactly the kind of prospect I like: fast and toolsy in the middle infield. If we were to draft a Tyler Greene type in the first round next year, I would be ecstatic.
Fire John Mozeliak
Ha!
Toolsy.
Good-bye Boog, we hardly knew thee.
Keep those socks high, the stache long, and the shoulder wet.
how is he not toolsy?
he’s speedy with plus power and has shown a good glove as well.
Fire John Mozeliak
i think he was laughing at the word.
“Toolsy”… you know… as in “toolsy”
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Thank you
Good-bye Boog, we hardly knew thee.
Keep those socks high, the stache long, and the shoulder wet.
it might make more sense to this populace
if one added a “heh heh heh”
which is our textual interpretation of Mike Shannon
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Duly noted
Good-bye Boog, we hardly knew thee.
Keep those socks high, the stache long, and the shoulder wet.
i'm not sure it's even a meme, but his debut made a splash:
http://twitter.com/FakeMikeShannon
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I don't get what's so funny
He may not have the same quality hit tool as Cox but I think he measures up pretty well.
Fire John Mozeliak
you measure him personally?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i mean, yeah.
there’s no better way to understand Tyler Greene’s power and speed than to get hands on.
Fire John Mozeliak
ha ha
“tool”
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
that whole post
nice…
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
greene at ss
craig at 3rd
kmac as a starter
we take so many chances with guys like theriot out of position, but we can’t give our own a chance to make it or break it
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
One of my favorite sports quotes of the year.
“Bernard said he was going to school me like he schooled Kelly Pavlik. I went to high school and I didn’t make good grades, I made great grades. I went to college and I have a diploma.”
Jean Pascal discussing his upcoming bout against Bernard Hopkins. This quote made me laugh way too much.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
surprise!
Surprise, AZ is selling itself on tv. looks like FSM.
(shockingly this is on-topic … don’t a lot of our guys end up on the Rafters?)
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
all the cards prospects have been on the rafters at least the last two years.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
a great 2baseman? Yes, I wish he would
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Probably not much chance of both those happening
If he does well this year, he’ll be back in ‘12 (he’s not a FA until after ’12 or ’13, correct?). If he is not back in ’12, it will most likely be because he stunk up the place in ’11.
by ArkansasTravs on Dec 17, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
i think it depends on how Tyler Greene does personally
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 17, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
Astros agree 1 year $3 MM with Bill Hall, per Ken Rosenthal
Well fuck
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
yea
keep ryan and have hall for about the same money as theriot
which is erotic for short
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
brendan ryan was traded to the seattle mariners
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
Hmm, beg to differ
$3m is a great price for Hall. He’s the PERFECT platoon partner for Skip – mauls LHP, sucks against righties, and is a competent (if limited) 2B. We could also use him to fill in at 3B at the start of the year, where we’ll likely be playing Greene/Descalso/Craig/fuck-knows-who right now.
Given how badly we suck against lefties, AND have added Berkman who’ll probably play every day (and who sucks against lefties), you don’t think a guy with a .340 lifetime wOBA vs LHP looks useful with a southpaw on the mound?
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 18, 2010 8:10 AM EST up reply actions
although actually last year he was better against RHP... go figure
but still, a guy who can play two of our weakest positions (2B, 3B) to a likely just-about average standard is well worth it for that price.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 18, 2010 8:11 AM EST up reply actions
still, a situation that would make us better than we are now
hope erotica proves me wrong, but ….
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
They are also looking at putting Wallace at AAA too.
/Houston’ed!
Brendan Ryan is no longer a St. Louis Cardinal.
Fortunately, Aaron Miles isn't either.
Can we just sign Eck or Renteria and be done with it...
Tyler Greene will have as much impact on this team as I will.
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
I have no faith in anything anymore
I was felized in most traumatic fashion.
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
You saw the games.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 17, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
I think it's similar to twatted.
eg. I felized my knee on the damn table.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
quit being such a berk
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
Doesn't that mean that no contact was made?
Brendan Ryan is no longer a St. Louis Cardinal.
Fortunately, Aaron Miles isn't either.
I think that'd be a good idea.
make the payroll leak all over the place
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 17, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
Just got my Cards Holliday edition prize pack from the twitter trivia the other day
http://twitpic.com/3guh9w#
Holliday’s head is HUUUUUUUGE
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Is that a BP Jersey?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
one of the promotional giveaway ones
it’s a Holliday youth medium
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
heh....nice.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
obv i won't be wearing it
probably give it away to some kid a church or something
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
I think you should squeeze into it
and post that twit pic, saying thanks.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
haha that would be pretty ironic
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Item List
2009 Gold Glove winners Yadi and Waino Pennant
2011 Calendar featuring the Cards 20 game winners throughout history
Holliday Youth M BP Jersey
Holliday lifesize poster
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
there's an awful lot of penis talk going in today
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
quite the opposite
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
wow a quick google of "desoura" is quite apt
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
does anyone have Mogul 2011?
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
In bed with your mother
Sorry, i’ve got nothing.
by Aranathor on Dec 17, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I've said it before but...
it’s girth, not height, that counts.
I have your back Aranthor
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
I thought it was established up thread,
that you have neither.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Dec 17, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
see, I'm an equal opportunity harasser,
I don’t just single you out.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
well i am not adequate.
Aranthor’s tree is.
This is actually quite nice. My privados haven’t been the subject of this much discussion since the last time I visited Mysterui’s mother. Am i doing her right?
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
well I asked her
and she said she didn’t even know you were doing her… she suspected it but she felt nothing and it was so fast she just assumed it was a long hug
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 17, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
2 minutes is all you need with me...because i'm so intense
(courtesy of Flight of the Conchords)
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
nice reference
FOC is pretty awesome
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 17, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
If you have to have one side or the other
the back is probably the safest.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Dec 17, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
You can have whatever you want when you spell my damn name right
from the sounds of it you couldn’t do too much damage anyway.
yep, i've forgot "a" everytime i type your name.
whoops
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
you are going hard on the Skip bandwagon now
you have six clips of highlights in your sig
i applaud your effort
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 17, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
alright I'm just now getting around to noticing
your sig and I have to give you a rec.
My 6year old son always wanted to be Skip when we would play ball last summer. now I remember why. VEB has a way of using stats to warp people’s minds.
“Oh, people can come up with statistics to prove anything. 14% of people know that.”
The highlight of my baseball career came in Philadelphia's Connie Mack Stadium when I saw a fan fall out of the upper deck. When he got up and walked away, the crowd booed.
--Bob Uecker
Said like a person who doesn't understand stats.
If you can make an argument, using actual evidence, that Skip is better at baseball than Boog, then you’ll be the first.
Enter vivaelpujols
My great wit allows me to interject that by assuming the partakers of this conversation are inbedded and perhaps romantically entangled, rather than indeed, the truthful observation that they are both platonic and standing upright. Great comedy may be produced!! -Aranathor
Better at baseball? No.
It has nothing to do with boog why Skip has fans.
In a sport where guys freak out b/c their managers want them to play LF but the players think they’re CFers, a guy willing made the move from OF to 2B for the first time in his professional career to (hopefully) help the cub out. It is pretty admirable. Sure he sucked for the first month, but there were signs of life going forward in 2009 and hell, the club won the division w/ him as an everyday 2B. Then he sucked all sorts of ass in 2010.
Two offseasons ago, VEB was about the friendliest corner of the internet for Skip; funny how our mood changes when a guy sucks at a position he has no business playing, but only does so b/c the club asked him to.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Dec 17, 2010 11:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Skip has worked hard and showed no ego.
We all rooted and root for skip and we all want him to succeed and to succeed for us. The experiment has failed, however, and he was one of the worst players on a roster that included Aaron miles, Pedro Feliz, a slumping BRyan, and Jeff Suppan. The fact that we have turned against him for his poor play is coupled with the fact that the management loves him, the FO overpays him, and this generosity seems to come at the expense of a player who is more talented, and to many more likeable. If you loved Aaron miles when he had a great season for us before he left, it’s perfectly alright for you to turn on him- just two short years later, when he is costing the team wins and soaking up the love from TLR.
Enter vivaelpujols
My great wit allows me to interject that by assuming the partakers of this conversation are inbedded and perhaps romantically entangled, rather than indeed, the truthful observation that they are both platonic and standing upright. Great comedy may be produced!! -Aranathor
by hazel on Dec 18, 2010 2:10 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
this+ 1000
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 18, 2010 2:42 AM EST up reply actions
and stay in the bigs
his future in the outfield was dim
and they rewarded him financially, so
not just “for the team”
which has nothing to do with whether he is a nice guy, or not
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
by sportsman on Dec 18, 2010 9:27 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah pretty impressive
2 highlights of defensive plays in the OF (where he is supposed to play), a 2 step diving stop at second, and Dexter Fowler making an awful base running decision. EPIC
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Given your typical state around here...
the blur is quite appropriate.
Brendan Ryan is no longer a St. Louis Cardinal.
Fortunately, Aaron Miles isn't either.
You know whats boring?
Family talking about property and other shiz.
“You know my friend bought a flat in Dubai, is now worth 1 million US Dollars, he’s got a house in India, its very nice, you know its right behind Uncle’s house, its got three bathrooms…”
F’n snooze. Also yes, i had to share this boring conversation with VEB otherwise i might go insane.
get mad pussy
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
you're cardball's nephew?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Ryan Theriot is uniform #13
some voted
and thought they would like to talk more about penises and christmas trees because they were sick of hearing about brendan ryan. Feel free to express your angst as you like.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I personally welcome our new robot overlords....
no wait… that’s the other guy.
Amaury Cazana for RF in 2011 - the legend will never die!
I fear the backlash if he chooses 13.
some in VEB might riot…against The Riot.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
does he think he's being cute?
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 17, 2010 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
Best number ever.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
i'm pretty sure it was done in effort to spite Cards Fan in Chitown
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
and you as well
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 18, 2010 5:33 AM EST up reply actions
the fuck
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
I see the Padres got Hudson....did they ever complete the trade for Bartlett?
I kept reading it was on then off again, but I never heard if it was official or not. If so, does that mean they’ve given up on Everth Cabrera?
by mick311 on Dec 17, 2010 6:11 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Dennys Reyes and the phils "hit a snag"
Reyes not impresses with their post game buffet options
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
RIP Boog. FIRE TLR NOW
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 17, 2010 6:37 PM EST via mobile reply actions
“what do you mean the players association wont let you pay me in cheese steaks..?!?!”
by jealousblues on Dec 17, 2010 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
A's claim Phillip humber
Ever get the feeling Billy beane knows something we don’t?
/mulder
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
RIP Boog. FIRE TLR NOW
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 17, 2010 6:41 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I was hoping Humber would clear waivers, get released
And get a minor league deal with us
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
RIP Boog. FIRE TLR NOW
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 17, 2010 7:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah because Santana has been totally awesome and inexpensive and healthy since then.
…
Enter vivaelpujols
My great wit allows me to interject that by assuming the partakers of this conversation are inbedded and perhaps romantically entangled, rather than indeed, the truthful observation that they are both platonic and standing upright. Great comedy may be produced!! -Aranathor
Easily better than the prospects the Mets gave up though
possibly the only lose-lose trade in history?
Also got J. Willingham from the Nats
Your 2011 St. Louis Cardinals: Rasmus 8, Holliday 9, Pujols 3, Berkman 7, Freese/Craig 5, Molina 2, Theriot 4, pitcher, Greene 6
Again, maybe a missed opportunity from Mo?
Willingham looks hella good in Cardinal Red in right field.
Corey Brown looks more or less like a very middling prospect, perhaps a 4th OF type in the Jon Jay mould; had a good record in AA last year but with a bit of an inflated BABIP. Rodriguez’s numbers are kinda all over the place but maybe something like Eduardo Sanchez is a fair comparison.
Willingham probably makes about $6m next year and might be somewhat undervalued in free agency. He’s probably a 3 win player given full time. Dunno if he’s a huge upgrade over Berkman to be honest so if it cost Jay + Sanchez to land him, maybe we did the right thing.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 18, 2010 8:23 AM EST up reply actions
I would much rather have....
Berkman + Jay + Sanchez for $8MM and change than Willingham minus Jay minus Sanchez for $6MM. Looks like Mo made the right call there.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 18, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
Jay + Reifer might be more like it actually
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 19, 2010 5:59 AM EST up reply actions
Looks like SI found and assclown bookend to Heyman
What a joke… Giants and Reds #3 and #4 overall, ahead of Yanks, Rays, Cards.
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
That guy REALLY likes the Reds!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
apparently regression is a concept this writer is unfamiliar with
“The Reds had a good young core on offense. Now they have one more year of experience under their belts, so logically they will be even better on offense this year!”
that's just, dumb
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 17, 2010 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
Seattle Mariners at #26
how dare he impugn the 6th best organization in baseball in such a manner
by mattyp on Dec 17, 2010 7:36 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
hmmmmmm...
Thus far this offseason the Reds have opted for the status quo, which isn’t a bad idea with a young, presumably improving core.
doesn’t work that like that
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 18, 2010 1:41 AM EST up reply actions
so the cards get berkman, westbrook back....
and the reds (who haven’t done anything this offseason) are still better?
/f’n SI
Fire John Mozeliak & Tony LaRussa! (Good luck in Seattle, Boog!)
Constantly obsessing about Brendan Ryan before he was traded to sell papers: Fine
Others obsessing about Brendan Ryan once he is traded: A bunch of losers.
Got it, dickbag.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
the man has some salient points
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
You are on Strauss's side.
Can’t you just feel the wrong?
Enter vivaelpujols
My great wit allows me to interject that by assuming the partakers of this conversation are inbedded and perhaps romantically entangled, rather than indeed, the truthful observation that they are both platonic and standing upright. Great comedy may be produced!! -Aranathor
i'm not on his side
except regarding what i think is the string of tweets they were referring to
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
by prophetjohn on Dec 17, 2010 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
RIP Captain Beefhearrt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFMjztFBSzM&feature=related
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 17, 2010 7:41 PM EST reply actions
how could you not link to this one?
I’m gonna Boogiarize you, baby
Not sure I've seen dumber baseball words: "Brendan Ryan became expendable after (Cardinals) acquired infielder Ryan Theriot." -Joe Posnanski
by SleepyCA on Dec 17, 2010 8:14 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
How did that not get brought up while Boog was with us?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 17, 2010 8:24 PM EST up reply actions
NOOOOOOOO!!!
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Dec 17, 2010 10:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Really damn
This guy was amazing
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
there's a youtube documentary about his life
it’s well worth watching. from blues band to bizarre avant rock to funk to more avant rock to painting, an amazing career for sure
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 18, 2010 5:36 AM EST up reply actions
I know Zappa and Waits both credited him for heavily influencing their progression
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
Beefheart made Zappa look like Boz Scaggs
The Capn’ was out there. He was truly awesome. In tribute, my favorite Beefheart song. If you don’t like it, then it probably means you are a Square.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjZDhPqdcdA
Fire John Mozeliak
Beefheart was like an audio menagerie
unlike anything before or since
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
he was classmates with Zappa, so they knew each other their whole life
and I think his influence on Waits is pretty obvious. I think Primus was also heavily influenced.
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 18, 2010 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
three kings of the Orient
I know I don’t keep up as well as most of the rest of you, but I just checked and none of the Feliz, Miles, Winn trio are on the current 40-man roster. Said roster is, in fact, dotted with a lot of new names (more than I can remember seeing in a while.)
My first question is, are the above three all free agents? And my first request is somebody please ASSURE me that none of them will be re-signed (by the Cardinals, I mean.)
Again in the minority, I have to report that of the three, Randy W was the one who bothered me the most; but I don’t want any of them back. Are the chances good?
they are all free agents
and will still be free agents in June, when we re-sign them.
(I think Randy Winn is the best of the three. I actually have to feign my hatred towards him.)
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
It got me where am I now
sitting in my basement drinking wine, quasi-working on a friday night, hanging out on the internet waiting for my wife to get home from Pets Mart.
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
You're living the high life, fritz.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 17, 2010 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
You have a wife?
Better than most of the losers around here i suppose.
uh, did i say that out loud?
I mean, gee, what wonderful people i get to spend my friday night with!
nah, I'm kinda with Tewk on this one
people kept telling me he was O.K. but damn that guy sucked at everything he tried to do whenever I was watching.
And I say “kinda” because nothing can equal my disdain for Aaron Miles as a baseball player. As a human being, eh, I could take him or leave him.
it has more to do with how much I hate
Aaron Miles and Pedro Feliz than how much I like Randy Winn.
(All great people, I’m sure. I have no wish to find out, though, b/c I hate them so much as baseball players.)
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
might as well accept it
you know its going to happen
by Redbird99_98 on Dec 17, 2010 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
i like to think of them as terrible baseball players
and terrible people, as well
of course i assume most pro athletes are terrible people
Every time Skip adjusts his gloves while batting, I die a little inside. -DJ 12-15-10
yeah, beliving Eckstein was secretly an asshole
made it a lot easier to hate him
by Redbird99_98 on Dec 17, 2010 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
agreed about Winn
he’s not a fit for us in any respect, but I could see a non-contending team picking him up as a 4th OF and him doing a solid job again. Feliz, Miles and Suppan probably really shouldn’t be playing professional baseball anymore, at least not in the major leagues….
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 18, 2010 8:25 AM EST up reply actions
hudson signed by padres... $11.5M over 2 years, just under $6M a year.
cards should’ve
Fire John Mozeliak & Tony LaRussa! (Good luck in Seattle, Boog!)
but, but, but that's like 2 theriots
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
basically theriot + Schumaker
little less than it’ll cost if we try to bring them both back next year.
Not sure I've seen dumber baseball words: "Brendan Ryan became expendable after (Cardinals) acquired infielder Ryan Theriot." -Joe Posnanski
Potential sublettor didn't seem very interested today =(
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
No... I didn't think my roommates would be very comfortable with that idea
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
you haven't blown him yet, have you?
That’s how you close on these things, man!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
So much to learn from you, Fritz
Teach me about life
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
maybe you shoud risten to mother for once in your rife.
REAVE MY SON ARONE
by mysterui's mom on Dec 17, 2010 10:57 PM EST up reply actions 12 recs
like a fucking sniper
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Dec 17, 2010 10:58 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Do you think she learned that FROM fucking a sniper?
by spants on Dec 17, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
(always watching)
(omg i may know who mysterui’s mom is!)
by YesWeOquendo on Dec 17, 2010 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
I feel bad, and yet I rec.
Enter vivaelpujols
My great wit allows me to interject that by assuming the partakers of this conversation are inbedded and perhaps romantically entangled, rather than indeed, the truthful observation that they are both platonic and standing upright. Great comedy may be produced!! -Aranathor
can we get a comments/recs list for rui's mom
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
that has to be the % leader right?
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
I really wish I was but right now I have either Rui himself
or VEP as likely culprits
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
Hmm
I had you as the primary suspect, and Alxfritz as a secondary one, yet you both deny, deny, deny…
Won’t anyone step forward and receive the credit they deserve?
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 18, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
I would have made her more salacious and less racist
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
I had never even been accused, let alone deny it, so leave me out of this.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
i can't see VEP being that clever....
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 18, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
is it supposed to be a secret?
I would’ve guessed tom s.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 18, 2010 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
So... bored...
Am I making the right decision staying here for another week, or am I wasting my time?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
how much do you have left on your lease?
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
by prophetjohn on Dec 17, 2010 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
you're making the right decision.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 17, 2010 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
looks like you're stuck
i imagine those kind of sublease arrangements are hard to fill, though. few people are going to want to enter into a preexisting roommate dynamic like that. it’s easier to start from scratch if you don’t know the ’mates ahead of time
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
by prophetjohn on Dec 17, 2010 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, nobody in LA ever needs a place to stay for a few months
you might as well burn the place down, rui.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Now there's an idea...
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
your sarcasm and implicit ridicule of my comment is not appreciated
good day, sir
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
by prophetjohn on Dec 17, 2010 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
big gulps, huh?!?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Nobody rents an apartment over Christmas break
GTFH.
Not sure I've seen dumber baseball words: "Brendan Ryan became expendable after (Cardinals) acquired infielder Ryan Theriot." -Joe Posnanski
See, I keep fighting myself about this too
But I can save myself so much money if I do happen to find a sublettor this week
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
the fact that you've had at least some sort of hit on it already is uplifting.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 17, 2010 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
Morally ambiguous transgender!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
can you're roommates not find a subletter?
it’s partially their responsibility as well. Else sign up any and all transgender writers you can find!
by YesWeOquendo on Dec 17, 2010 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
None of them will be back until January 10th
And I’d love to be able get out of paying January’s rent, which is due the 15th
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
FTW
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 17, 2010 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
what does "morally ambiguous" even mean?
I think by definition most college kids are “morally ambiguous”, sexually. So to say something like that to a college kid implies there are deeper issues in play here.
I’m picturing the dude from grosse point blank, except with some confusion about where he should point his “gun”.
Not sure I've seen dumber baseball words: "Brendan Ryan became expendable after (Cardinals) acquired infielder Ryan Theriot." -Joe Posnanski
I looked up his/hers/its facebook
…seems pretty morally ambiguous to me
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
if you want to get technical
morality is ambiguous by it’s very nature, deeper issues indeed!
and mysterui you should put her(?) response up here. i think we should all critique it. see just how good of a writer this person is
by YesWeOquendo on Dec 17, 2010 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
you're right
morality is largely ambiguous. For instance, I have no problem with killing people. Seems alright with me
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
actually I might be wrong
You’re at USC, right? and a significant portion of the students there are locals.
At the very least, make good use of your time. Advertise on craigslist, trulia, west side rentals, newspapers, etc. And play lots of baseball mogul (brendan ryan usually turns into one of the best players in the game, FWIW)
Not sure I've seen dumber baseball words: "Brendan Ryan became expendable after (Cardinals) acquired infielder Ryan Theriot." -Joe Posnanski
It's been mostly Madden/FIFA
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
And catching up on Modern Family
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
and write that screenplay, damn it!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
you're writing a screenplay rui?
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
No
…I could probably try, though
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
yeah, like the gay, asian, missourah-ian kid living in LA isn't writing a screenplay....
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Wait where did the gay come from?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
your mother.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
wat
That doesn’t even
what
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
finally have some time to discuss baseball-related things now
first on the list: brendan ryan. what happened to that guy?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 17, 2010 10:55 PM EST reply actions
cool guy. okay baseball player. replaced by a slightly less okay baseball player
see also: every single post on the board since the theriot trade
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
by prophetjohn on Dec 17, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
boog is like that one girlfriend, whom no matter what, you just couldn't make things work out
genuinely likeable, outgoing, fun, enjoyable to watch/look at
if only she/he wasn’t fucking crazy
by YesWeOquendo on Dec 17, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
Had one of those.
This could be a very apt description of the situation.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 18, 2010 2:27 AM EST up reply actions
Fun thing I just learned on the internets
Squeezing your left thumb with your right hand disables your gag reflex
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
did you actually test this?
Not sure I've seen dumber baseball words: "Brendan Ryan became expendable after (Cardinals) acquired infielder Ryan Theriot." -Joe Posnanski
good tip for...
never mind.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 17, 2010 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
i may or may not share this information with a woman that lives with me.
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
by albrtfn on Dec 18, 2010 12:02 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That may or may not be what I have already done
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
by mysterui on Dec 18, 2010 12:09 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
we were all thinking the same thing.
awesome.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 18, 2010 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
Wait you might not even have to squeeze it with your right hand
Just squeeze it with your left inside your palm
But I don’t wanna test it anymore >_>
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
just tell your woman to test it.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 18, 2010 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
She just went to bed
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
disappointing.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 18, 2010 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
getting a cramp?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 18, 2010 2:29 AM EST up reply actions
wait... you don't live with your fiancee...
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Okay well I told her about this
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
wow VEB's dead.
did everyone just leave to go have the left thumb trick tested?
Your team is incompetently run by baseball equivalent of the captain from the Caine Mutiny -DiscoJer
Or they are bearing the fruits of teaching their SO's the left thumb trick
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
basically what i was getting at
Your team is incompetently run by baseball equivalent of the captain from the Caine Mutiny -DiscoJer
well i just got home
and am dissapointed that friday night has no Late Nite VEB™
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 18, 2010 2:01 AM EST up reply actions
IT'S BECAUSE NOBODY LIKES YOU
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Hey
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 18, 2010 2:37 AM EST reply actions
I guess I am.
I’ll get back to you when I am more certain of whether I am or not.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 18, 2010 2:40 AM EST up reply actions
That was pretty good, btw.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 18, 2010 2:41 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks.
And goodnight.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 18, 2010 3:00 AM EST up reply actions
Dude I have kids and I"m not up that early
Get some sleep. Find some more porn.
He's messing about on the internet! Where the hell is he supposed to find some porn?
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 18, 2010 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
noon your time?
you need to either be asleep or masturbating!
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
by prophetjohn on Dec 18, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
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