The week in St. Louis Cardinals reruns
by DanUpBaby on Dec 16, 2010 6:01 AM EST
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PrintAs you read this, if you're reading it Thursday morning or afternoon, I'm on a plane bound for St. Louis or momup's car bound for Springfield. That means it's time for our ever-irregular look at the other content you might be missing if your VEB experience involves tunnel-visioning the main blog. Such as:
- On SB Nation I tore myself from wall-to-wall Rams coverage long enough to take a look at the largest contracts on the 2011 St. Louis Cardinals. My hope (and fear) is that a month or two from now this will be, relatively speaking, a nostalgic look at a time when baseball players didn't make very much money at all and St. Louis hadn't been renamed Pujols Valley. After they extend Pujols—I'm going to be optimistic, and stop using if—I fully expect the Cardinals Hall of Fame to look like an El-Hombrefied version of the Biff Tannen Museum.
- Speaking of Albert Pujols, in the fanposts section tarakas uses two similar-player lists to arrive at some idea of how Albert Pujols might age. For these players the edge of the table seemed to be around the age-35 season, which leaves me hoping Pujols's agents are benchmarking the Alex Rodriguez contract's AAV, more than its length. Check out the comments section for some great discussion on the topic.
- After the post-season fanposts trough things seem to be picking up again. A few days ago Aranathor put together the 2010 League Minimum All-Star Team, which features three Cardinals (and will need, after Albert Pujols converts Laclede's Landing into a stately pleasure-dome, to feature several more.) And last week Solanus assembled a fascinating All-Star Team of his own. The stipulations: One player chosen for each year, and each team had to be represented by one player. There's also this crosspost from Cardinal70, a Cardinal Christmas Carol. If you read this blog, you're in its target-market.
- And if you want to be really depressed, Cards Fan in Chitown offered us a comprehensive analysis of why Brendan Ryan must start at shortstop for the St. Louis Cardinals. I like the idea, but I'm not sure we'd be able to pry him from the Mariners...
New episodes of Viva El Birdos resume tomorrow morning, at their usual timeslot.
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rec'd for the Coleridge allusion
(My father wrote what was for a generation the Standard Interpretation of KK)
The Mang does more than Milton can
To justify God's ways to man.
DeWitt will rename stadium a 'Stately Pleasure Dome' with wailing (wall) for Departed APU
How’s that for mixing metaphors and allusions??
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
K-Lo gives us insight into Brendan Ryan's trade
(thanks to gdm for linking to this article and the audio)
here’s the segment:
We all tried to help him out and tried to help him understand what being a professional was, and I think sometimes, you know, he’s a very likeable guy, but I honestly think that when things aren’t go so good, and you’re still kind of the way he is you know, I mean, he’s a very enjoyable guy to be around but when you’re still kind of forgetting to do the things you’re supposed to, it starts to wear on you. He by no way is any reason why we didn’t take the NL Central but, I think just one little distraction that kind of rubbed some people the wrong way and it’s just one of those things that doesn’t help a team out and Brendan Ryan is who he is, and he’s going to continue being that guy and personally I like him. I just don’t think he’s ever going to change and the inability to get serious about things, I think, kind of makes people really tired of you, I think. Maybe that’s not the best way to put it, but I think it rubs people the wrong way sometimes.
[I]t wasn’t that he didn’t care, he takes his job serious, he cares a lot. There’s a time for fun and a time for seriousness and you know, there’s not a doubt in my mind that he cares and that he wants to do well, and that has nothing to do with…that’s probably why he struggled even more because he wanted to do even better than he was doing and I think that some of the timing of things, you know, I wasn’t there when he was late out to the field in Cincinnati, but you know, there’s things along those lines that can kind of rub a guy the wrong way when you’re not a rookie anymore and you know it’s just my take on things, and that’s all it is.
to our entire clubhouse: fuck you. fuck you. FU
you too Carp, cause now I know you were one of these people if they’re still talking about the CIN incident. fuck you, stop crying and learn to be professional. you think we all only work with people that don’t annoy us and everyone hugs everyone and is constantly happy at work? we’re not getting paid half of the money you’re raking and you’re all primadonnas. fuck you
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
by d-dee on Dec 16, 2010 6:53 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
seems to me that ballplayers have to have prety high tolerance
for all kinds of distractions like fans, press, teammates, etc so if BR was so bad that the professionals on the team wanted him gone, he must have been REALLY been difficult to live with. I think the team DID put up with him when he was playing well, but when he’s terrible and not looking to get better, why would you put up with it? Lohse is saying things as delicately as one can say them — he must have really been an incredible nuisance.
And as for the rest of us dealing with that, yes I guess it’s partly true, but it’s also true that if you are an incredible nuisance/bad fit at work, your boss will eventually find a way to exit you as well.
Just win
The irritating thing about this on my end...
…Is not that it is inconceivable that a goofy clown like Boog could be annoying. It’s just that the arguments we’ve heard (well, really only from Lohse at this point) are so damn unimpressive. He kind of comes across as someone with a splinter up his derriere. The quotes d-dee blocked above say the following: that Boog cares and does put in his work and he wasn’t the reason they lost the division, but gosh dern it he’s distracting and rubs people the wrong way. You know what that says to me? It says that even though Ryan does a lot of things that we like and didn’t really cost us anything significant on the field, well, gosh dern it all he’s annoying and doesn’t live up to our standard of professionalism.
To which I say, Mr. Lohse, color me unimpressed. You’re going to have to do better than that. I simply cannot buy what you’re selling. I get it, I’m not in that clubhouse everyday with Mr. Ryan and his goofy ways, so I readily concede that he may in fact be some kind of whirling dervish of annoying that literally makes you wanna puke being around him. However, your statement is weak with a capital W and everything short of convincing. It makes you, and by extension your teammates because it seems like you’re speaking for them, look like a bunch of stiffs who simply got annoyed with someone whose approach to baseball is different than yours. I’ve played a lot of ball in my day and have worked a lot of work in my day and can honestly say that the only people I did not want around, regardless of their annoying personality traits, were the ones who in some way stunk at their job and made me cover for them. Since, by Lohse’s own admission, that wasn’t entirely the case with Boog I have to say I’m disappointed in the reasoning behind the trade.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Dec 16, 2010 7:42 AM EST up reply actions
The 600 LB elephant in the room, or, It's all about the benjamins
After reading all the various reports, including the one d-dee referenced above, my conclusion is that it’s all about the money. They were willing to put up with his quirks in 2009 when he was hitting well and costing the league minimum. They were willing to put up with it last year when he wasn’t hitting well and costing the league minimum. This year? Well, he’s slightly obnoxious, they don’t think he’ll make it back to 2009 offensively, and he’s due for a fairly sizable raise through the arbitration process.
During the arb process, you know his agent will be spouting off all sorts of defensive metrics, etc. to get Brendan the most money he possibly can – and that’s fine. It’s his job, and it’s part of what arbitration is all about. I don’t have a beef with that. Apparently, the Cardinals do – they obviously didn’t want to pay him more than the league minimum. Did they broach a deal with him? I don’t know. IMO, probably not.
In essence, what they’re NOT saying is that they are no longer willing to put up with the personality quirks (and expected low performance offensively) when he’s going to cost them closer to a 7 figures than low to mid 6 figures.
Amaury Cazana for RF in 2011 - the legend will never die!
it's not about the benjamins
no way he would be making the money we are paying theriot to play SS this year.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Not about the Benjamins
The Cardinals are overpaying a below average shortstop about 2 1/2 million more dollars plus Blake Hawksworth just to get Ryan out of the clubhouse. How freakin’ annoying is this guy? What…is setting Carp’s socks on fire while he is trying to take a nap? Is he placing buckets of tar above Pujols’ locker so they drop on his head when he opens the door? Is he saying “I know you are, but what am I” hundreds of times in banter back and forth with Jason Larue?
Seriously, he much of a jerk does someone have to be to pay 2 1/2 million to make him go away? Also, doesn’t he seem like the only guy on that team that is fun? (except Waino, on occasion)
How about handin' me another helpin' of those mashed taters...thank you very much!
by Elvis on Dec 16, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Is he saying "I know you are, but what am I" hundreds of times in banter back and forth with Jason Larue?
One man’s “annoying” is another man’s “completely fucking awesome thing that felonius_monk would happily pay to witness”. Just so’s you know…
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 16, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
the riot, dude
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 16, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
stl wants the most serious clubhouse in the bigs
boog played hard and was a fun guy to be around. i would love to be around someone like him a lot. the reasons for the trade were definitely not baseball related. boog could very well rebound in 2011, and for his sake, i hope he does. i also hope he shows the cards why they shouldn’t have traded him.
Fire John Mozeliak & Tony LaRussa! (Good luck in Seattle, Boog!)
by zoomzoomj88 on Dec 16, 2010 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
this is kind of an assumption
stl wants the most serious clubhouse in the bigs
Wainwright, Lohse, and others have been know to goof off at times. It looks more of a time and a place thing.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Mather
I wonder if he was DFA’d for much the same reason. He’s another guy that seemed to really enjoy himself playing ball. That don’t fly with TLR we know.
by WizardofOz1982 on Dec 16, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
When you look at the OF situation
vs. the middle infield one, it’s quite a bit easier to see why he was let go.
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 16, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
Really?
The Cards didn’t have plenty of room to keep him stashed in AAA to see how his wrist heals? I disagree.
by WizardofOz1982 on Dec 16, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
I'm just saying
that both Mather and Ryan are at the age where you probably now have to see a viable short term path to the major league roster. With Holliday, Rasmus, Berkman, Jay, and Craig it’s tougher sledding than with the crew in the MI. And then when you look at the minor league system below them, it’s a similar story.
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 16, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
bman for 8 mill for one year, or
wiggy for 2 years for 8 mil
???
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
Berkman
Except that we didn’t have Berkman when Mather was released. Craig is slated for back up duty at 3B if not full time duty when Tastee’s ankles melt again. So you’re talking about Holliday, Rasmus, Jay, and Mather as full time outfielders. At the time it wasn’t the crowded situation you make it out to be.
by WizardofOz1982 on Dec 20, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
i believe Mather was out of options
and had to pass through waivers in order to be sent to the minors, and Atlanta nabbed him in the waiver process. He had no trade value whatsoever (less that even Ryan) so it’s not like we could have gotten anything for him. Ryan’s out of options too, so it was best that we trade him instead of letting him get nabbed in the waiver process. Ryan can be at least a valuable defensive replacement to just about every team, so he would have been claimed
Your team is incompetently run by baseball equivalent of the captain from the Caine Mutiny -DiscoJer
joey was the best athlete we had who played outfield
he was boog’s friend, and that probably sealed his pointless doom
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
who cares?
no offense, but best athlete has little correlation to good player….
his stats were not very good and he was out of options… that was why not because of ryan…
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 16, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
I'm gonna go gdm-style conspiracy theory up in here
What if the FO think that Boog and Mather were bad influences on Colby, and that by sending them off, they’re hoping Colby is more consistent day-to-day, rather than fooling around with them?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
fooling around with them
they leave that business to your mom
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
dangoleriffraffbadinfulences
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Worst. Sentence. Ever.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
At least that would sort of make sense, in a weird, TLR-playing-headgames-and-Mo-going-along-with-it way.
I think a large part of the frustration with the trade is that Ryan seemed like such a good fit for the team – great D for a groundball heavy staff, and still being relatively cheap since he’s only in his Arb 1 year.
In a vaccuum, the Ryan out, Theriot in swap is probably a marginal wash – the downgrade from great D to average-ish D is offset by the improvement from sub-par bat to average-ish bat. But given the composition of this team (again, groundball staff) and the increase in payroll from what they’d be paying Ryan to what they’re paying Theriot, it just doesn’t make any damn sense.
That's all it is for me
On many teams, Ryan wouldn’t be all that useful. On ours, I think he had some value. What’s done is done, but the lingering concern is that our groundball staff is supported defensively by an injury risk at 3B, a SS who played 2B last year after being roughly average for years before, and Skip.
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 16, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
jmo does NOT go along
he does what he is told
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
What if Pujols said. . .
it’s me or Boog?
You know, while we’re being all conspiratorial.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Dec 16, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
Carpenter incident
Do I remember Pujols saying something right fter the Carpenter incident that supported Carpenter? If so, then this was a festering problem, and bigger than what we know. Carpenter had just had the last straw.
Older than any three of you.
by Remember Kenny B on Dec 16, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
Actually
Mather seemed to be a TLR type guy. I think he was let go because he kinda sucked after the wrist surgery.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Mather also could have been DFA'd because.......
he just wasn’t very good and was fungible with other OF’ers in the organization. Just spitballin’ here.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 16, 2010 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
we just paid $1mil for a backup catcher
i don’t think it was about money
Your team is incompetently run by baseball equivalent of the captain from the Caine Mutiny -DiscoJer
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Your team is incompetently run by baseball equivalent of the captain from the Caine Mutiny -DiscoJer
you seem to have forgotten
because tlr
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
Maybe
the boss should look in the mirror. Just because a boss is in a higher level of authority than you doesn’t necessarily make him smarter. This is a stupid trade for stupid reasons. Maybe the blame should be placed solely on the manager because he cannot manage different personalities. Bosses can get fired too. With TLR getting “his guys” now we should expect to win the Central because TLR says I can win with this team. Anything less should be grounds for removal. Hall of Fame manager or not.
"It is easy to be brave from a safe distance." - Aesop
by OKCardsfan on Dec 16, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Are you saying that you'll no longer fight my girlfriend for Chris Carpenter?
son of a…
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
If a guy like Lohse
even trying to sugar-coat things, has that to say, I’m going to assume it was a pretty large problem, with a vast majority of the guys.
And if that is true, trading him is the right call, good defense or not.
by Stanley1 on Dec 16, 2010 9:50 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Thank you
This FU stuff is lame.
If I had someone like that in my department I’d want their ass gone too.
And everyone on the Cardinals team knew him personally...
while no one (presumably) on this blog knew him. Not to mindlessly defer to others, but we can’t know if he wasn’t a complete PITA.
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
My only problem with this line of thought
is that I’d give a lot more leeway to someone in my department being like that if they were performing well. I dislike when teams become too focused on personality rather than on who is actually, you know, good at baseball.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
it's obviously conjecture
but i’m inclined to believe that if ryan was performing well, this wouldn’t have been an issue. to paraphrase lohse on the clubhouse issues: “winning has a way of working these kind of things out”
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
Right
I’m pretty neutral on this topic. I think they made the decision for the wrong reasons. I think those reasons writ large would be damaging to the team but, for the most part, they haven’t been writ large. I’m just struggling to get riled up about it.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
One other point people don't seem to be considering
I think there’s a very real possibility that our scouting dept thinks that baseball in general is possibly slightly under-valuing Maikel Cleto, and tbh I think it’s not impossible that they’re right. Whilst I don’t hold out major hope for him to be better than, say, ooooh, Blake Hawksworth (making this the ultimate sideways move) I’m not convinced he’s definitely chopped liver either.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 16, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
Even if Cleto turns out to be a closer
he’s still not going to return the value of Boog. Our scouting department may think highly of him but the analytical department should have emphasized the relative value of a SS versus a reliever.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
I think you're almost certainly correct
Although I’d argue that a competent closer has probably similar value to a average-to-slightly-below-average position player. I’m still not sold on FG WAR for relievers or the highly flawed chaining concept.
That said, I don’t really see Cleto being very likely to be the next Heath Bell, or even the next Jason Motte, but people do seem to be framing the argument as if we got nothing back for Boog. I’m dead against the trade but I also feel as if Cleto’s got more potential than people seem to generally realise.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 16, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
its my understanding
we have a stockpile of 5 or 6 relievers in the system with similar profiles to Cleto. Not so on the middle infield front in regards to players similar to ryan.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I'm right there with you re: Fangraphs reliever valuation
something feels wrong with that approach
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
Relievers really just don't make much difference.
Even if you like more simplistic measures like win% after leading into the 7th or 8th or FIP, relievers are wildly inconsistent and overrated.
Enter vivaelpujols
My great wit allows me to interject that by assuming the partakers of this conversation are inbedded and perhaps romantically entangled, rather than indeed, the truthful observation that they are both platonic and standing upright. Great comedy may be produced!! -Aranathor
by hazel on Dec 16, 2010 10:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I think it is becoming more and more apparent that...
that Brendan Ryan was traded in large part – not necessarily because Mo and TLR wanted him gone — but because some significant portion of the team wanted him gone.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 16, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
it doesn't have to be a signifficant portion of the team
just the better part of the superstars
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
And given that, I'm more and more okay with the move
We don’t know the whole story here, but it sounds like there is a definite effort to clean up the clubhouse in some way and that it is more than just a TLR agenda.
Agreed.
The way I read those block quotes, with the amount of “Brendan takes his job seriously”s and “he is working hard”s he throws in there, Lohse is going to extreme lengths to make sure he says something good about Ryan. In my experience, that usually means that the subject of the conversation doesn’t have nearly the level of good traits that are being tossed around in their defense.
Lohse who works with and for the people who ran him out of town
is pretty likely to defend that decision, and if they can’t stand a guy who is a bit goofy then they deserve the uptight atmosphere they are inviting.
"as long as it agrees with my argument, yes" vivaelpujols
i love boog, but i have to agree.
you can tell just by the way lohse is talking, the way he sort of stutters and qualifies everything he says with “I think,” that whatever got brendan traded is a much, MUCH bigger issue that lohse’s statements, on their face, indicate. but all the subtext, man, its just obvious.
boog was my favorite player, but if having him off the team makes the cardinals a better team, mentally, chemistry-wise, whatever, then it had to be done.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
I'm a big fan of Boog
But I’m a bigger fan of the Cardinals. So I’ll just go cheer for our other mediocre shortstop.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
yeah that's basically a better way of saying what i said.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
ok, how about we designate today as the last day to dwell on this
Brendan Ryan thing, get it all out of our systems if need be, and then stop talking about it. It’s getting a little, well, not unprofessional….but it starts to wear on you.
no, i am going to talk about this all offseason, spring training, and next season
trade me if you don’t like it
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
by d-dee on Dec 16, 2010 9:52 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
even going 162-0 doesn't make
the organization repeatedly treating players like crap a moot point
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
trading away a player is not treating him like crap
playing him in 139 games, despite a 57 OPS+ is not treating him like crap. Designating a coach/personnel to give Boog hugs when he is feeling blue is not treating him like crap. The organization’s big wigs (Mo, TLR, any of the Front Office) are not saying anything bad about Brendan. The players are the culprits now, which I guess is still part of the organization.
I’m not sure I see the “crappy” treatment of Boog in this situation.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
by SheckieZx on Dec 16, 2010 10:06 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Agree
They traded to him a team where he has a chance to start, when he likely did not have such a chance in STL. I can’t see how that is treating Ryan like crap.
publicizing that you dislike him because he's got "personality issues"
right before trading him is treating him like crap
same with the colby trade saga
same with felipe lopez
and that’s just this year
you have a problem with someone, say it didn’t work out or you need to fill other positions, whatever and stfu. don’t assault his personality
and if they’re still dwelling on the cincinnati glove change and the tunnel and cite this as a reason too, then carp needs to stop whining that people perceive him as a villain
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
I haven't heard Carp mention the Cincy episode since that night...
when he said it was a non-issue. I think they use that, because it was the most publicized example. And I remember TLR & Mo trying to quash the Colby trade thing pretty quickly. TLR spent much of Floppy’s spiral into awfulness blaming a knee injury.
Being angry that one of your favorite players was traded away is understandable, I guess I just don’t agree with you.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
agree on the Cincy episode
you’d like it even less if he started bringing up stuff you didn’t know about.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
as well as a self inflicted wound
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
Seriously
this is reaching “Anthony Reyes learns to throw a two seamer” levels of overblown, ridiculous, anti-everything sentiment.
We replaced our mediocre shortstop with another mediocre shortstop. Whoopdy shit.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Dec 16, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Anti-boycotts are the new boycotts.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
a-fucking-men
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
by prophetjohn on Dec 16, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
I know you are, but what am I?
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 16, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
Heh. Sorry, that was lame....
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 16, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
Wow the Anthony Reyes saga around here was terrible!
Wasn’t there a poster JILL? who has not come back since the Reyes thing?
She got pretty emotional about it
Yep
And much like after trading away Anthony Reyes, another mediocre player, the Cardinal franchise will somehow move on without Brendan Effing Ryan, hard as it may seem.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Yup
We won a WS with Reyes, and we’ve won a WS without him.
Oh wait. Well, at least we’ve made the playoffs every year.
Oh wait, haven’t done that, either. Good thing we traded him then.
That 5.25 FIP he put up in 07
really helped us out after Carpenter went down.
Also, Reyes was recently out-righted off of the Indians’ 40-man and later sign as a minor league free agent. Why? Because TLR.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Oh God What Have i Done?!??!
The Anthony Reyes debate….. IT LIIIIIIIIIIIVEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
you wanted to kill the BR talk right?
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Hah
I like how all the cards get a big FU for being unprofessional yet Ryan gets a pass from you? Excellent use of the double standard.
by lopey986 on Dec 16, 2010 10:16 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
what, annoying people by being a person is now unprofessional?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
exactly
lopey is correct. your double-standard is glaring.
by _pistol_ on Dec 16, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
how does ANYONE not think the breandan ryan situation was handled horribly?
choosing skip over him is irrational however you look at it – skill, payroll, you name it
getting theriot and immediately giving him the job without a whisper of a chance for ryan to make a run for it
disregarding the fact he might have performed poorly because of an injury, a lack of spring training and added pressure from the manager while the new hitting coach allowed him to keep changing his stance without helping him
he has three games with errors and the manager benches him and tears him up for it in the media
the personality issues talk in the press
and then dumping him in an exchange for pretty much a bag of balls
and now reiterating that he’s just annoyed the hell our of everyone
he didn’t take things seriously? he wasn’t repeatedly the last one in the dugout after tough losses trying to gather himself? somehow adam wainwright is allowed to joke around and be a goof but no one else is?
doesn’t that organization have a team psychologist?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
Because I'm not going to lose my shit
Over a 250 hitting shortstop, great defense or not. I don’t think Ryan is going to be the difference between the playoffs and staying home. More importantly, I root for the cardinals, if you’re employed by them I root for you, I don’t expect any player to show loyalty to st Louis nor do I expect the cardinals to show any loyalty to a player, welcome to professional sports.
by lopey986 on Dec 16, 2010 10:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
but the blind loyalty to skip schumaker is okay?
or the loyalty to tony larussa?
don’t forget we pitch to contact and now we have skip and the riot in the middle infield
that may very well be the difference between playoffs and no playoffs
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
This I can get behind.
I don’t like the Ryan trade, mostly because trading away great defense could be problematic. We’re trying to catch the Reds, I’m not sure getting rid of Ryan, instilling a $4million mediocre SS, and keeping a defensive liability at 2B is the way to make up wins.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
install...not instill
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
exactly, it's the stupidity of it all that irritates me the most
how irrationally dumb is it to take away your groundball staff’s best defensive asset and not only run him out the door but practically pay millions to make him gone because he “rubbed somebody the wrong way”? so you insist it wasn’t his personality you traded him because of, but the lack of hitting, but you got virtually no upgrade for the bat and a major downgrade for the glove – what kind of sense does that make??
i don’t care what personality he has, get an ADHD specialist to coach him, whatever, but don’t screw your chance to win, because some people couldn’t get over their egos
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
For all the self-congratulatory talk about professionalism
I have to wonder how much professionalism is worth, if it means you can’t work with a few weird personalities. I mean, it almost sounds like a detriment. I thought professionalism meant that you were able to stay focused on your job no matter what.
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 16, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
no
professionalism is whining about others not doing things the way you would like for them to be done.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
you forgot
because tlr
is too old, too crotchity, and generally getting even less flexible like every other aging human being (give or take0
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
My one hope from all this
is that Tyler Greene gets a proper shot this year, either at 2B or SS. I’ve been really impressed with how he’s turned his offensive performance around in the last two years in Memphis and I think there’s actually a possibility he’s somewhat under-rated now as a “prospect” (if a 26-year-old or whatever he is can still be called that, several years after being a largely unfulfilled first round pick).
I’d be going into the year with Greene pencilled in at SS, at least against LHP I think.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 16, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
FUCK YEAH!
the Tyler Greene bandwagon now has a Brit on its side…
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 16, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
No, it's not
Do i think Ryan is better than skip and Theriot? Yes I do. Does it matter what I think? Hell no it doesn’t.
Plus, it was pretty evident Ryan struggled last year, maybe this will be a better for both parties deal. Ryan can get a new start elsewhere where hopefully he will be able to be himself and will be more comfortable and that will translate to better performance. And with him out of the clubhouse it will be one less distraction for the guys who are still on the cardinals and hey, maybe it will translate to better performance.
I get it, you love Ryan. I love the cardinals and I will continue to root for them and hope they are making the right moves and if they aren’t, well rest assured someone’s head will roll and we will have new people in power to make all kinds of moves this community disagrees with. If the Ryan deal is such a problem, you can always root for him and the mariners, they could certainly use the fans.
by lopey986 on Dec 16, 2010 11:12 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I enjoy discussing the sports teams I root for
As much as I like arguing with all the cubs fans in my area, I also like to have discussions with fellow cardinals fans. I also like to read different perspectives that everyone has on a situation and see where i stand in comparison.
I certainly dont expect anyone within the cardinals organization to give a crap about my opinion though.
by lopey986 on Dec 16, 2010 11:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I just vote with my dollars.
I didn’t buy one set of tickets from the Cardinals last season. And I probably won’t this season, either.
Hey same here.
I went to 6 games in 09 and none in ‘10. We’ll see what I do this year. I can tell you that trading my favorite cardinal ever (Jim Edmonds) didn’t stop me from rooting for the cardinals and losing Brendan Ryan sure won’t either.
by lopey986 on Dec 16, 2010 11:26 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Oh I went to games.
I just got my tickets for free. And when did I say anything about not rooting for the Cardinals?
You didn't.
Sorry, that part wasnt directed at you. Some of the whining about the Brendan Ryan situation strikes me as a player being bigger than the team nonsense (but hey, it’s the offseason, that’ll change when the weather breaks).
by lopey986 on Dec 16, 2010 12:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think people care about Ryan being gone
BECAUSE they enjoyed what he brought to Cardinals baseball.
I’ll never not root for the Cardinals.
and our overall infield quality went down with our budget going up
for ryan f’ theriot
who is now on his 4th team in 2 years
does that scream quality ss?
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
so was baseball over all
unemployment was at a high. TV and radio ratings were up.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
our attendance was very good though...
Fire John Mozeliak
by purple_haze on Dec 16, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
They gave a lot of deep discounts
She’s not alone
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 16, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Your mom gives a lot of....
no, I’m not going there.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 16, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
I lack the courage of my convictions.
Incidentally, one of my convictions is Public Indecency.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 16, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thank goodness FM thought better than to insult
MC’s poor mother, that would have been uncalled for
"as long as it agrees with my argument, yes" vivaelpujols
a new VEB low
Your team is incompetently run by baseball equivalent of the captain from the Caine Mutiny -DiscoJer
seriously what has Merry CRasmus' mom
ever done to anyone, I am sure she is a nice lady.
"as long as it agrees with my argument, yes" vivaelpujols
Unlike that slut of a mother
mysterui’s mom.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Oh come on!
I’m right here!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
It's more fun this way.
Don’t get me wrong, I enjoy dropping little nuggets for you to find, but it’s much more fun when you’re around.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I haven't looked at the population of the Earth lately
or indeed the USA, but I’d imagine it’s difficult to find a demographic for which “did not buy any tickets in 2010 from the St Louis Cardinals baseball franchise” is a minority….
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 16, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you need to expand your horizons
three out of every five extraterrestrial beings bought Cards tickets last year.
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
have you check this demographic
“Cardinals fans who normally purchase tickets to Cardinals games.”
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Just my opinion
Spants, I think what lopey986 meant by that particular comment is that whatever he thinks about the subject has absolutely no influence on what the team decides is their course of action. Whether he agrees with them or not, he cannot change what they are going to do.
Whether the rest of his comment is something you should or should not agree with is your prerogative.
I was reading about how countless species are being pushed toward extinction by man's destruction of forests. Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - Calvin, Scientific Progress Goes "Boink", Watterson
All they had to do is trade for someone who is an actual upgrade over Ryan.
Enter vivaelpujols
My great wit allows me to interject that by assuming the partakers of this conversation are inbedded and perhaps romantically entangled, rather than indeed, the truthful observation that they are both platonic and standing upright. Great comedy may be produced!! -Aranathor
by hazel on Dec 16, 2010 11:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Exactly this.
We just traded the best glove in the league, for an A pitcher that can’t miss bats.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Dec 16, 2010 11:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
this^
its ok to get rid of him…
but upgrade
dont downgrade or move sideway AND keep 2b as it is
by jealousblues on Dec 17, 2010 2:37 AM EST up reply actions
Brendan Ryan is a big boy
If he bucks up last year, either with the bat, or with the maturity, he’s probably still the Cardinals starting SS.
He either couldn’t, or didn’t, so he’s gone. He will still make somewhere in the neighborhood of $400+K to play a game. I’m having a hard time working up sympathy for the guy.
Seriously, if your boss and the people that you work with repeatedly grouse about your level of seriousness, or your level of commitment, or your level of concentration, or personality conflicts, or whatever, don’t you make some changes in the way that you carry yourself? And if you don’t, shouldn’t you expect not to work there very much longer? Especially if you consistently prepare reports or memos that are rife with typos, or your sales numbers drop off, or you have some similar performance issues, even if you do another part of your job really well? Let’s be honest. In the real world, a Brendan Ryan is in the unemployment line, not making $400+K in a different city. And it’s not like he’s some wide-eyed kid just off the turnip truck in the big city for the first time. He’s been in baseball clubhouses for the last 10 years of his life. By the age of 28, he seriously should have figured some of this workplace stuff out.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Dec 16, 2010 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
should make closer to $1mm
he was tendered a contract and will go to arb if the mariners can’t agree on a price. Skip was offered $1.45 mm last year before agreeing to the lovely two year deal. Jeff Baker for the Cubs agreed to $0.975mm
boog is a puppy
trying to please tlr, big mac, and some grumpy team mates was more than he could handle
best for him he’s gone
just not great for us
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
Not to mention
Ive never seen wainwright having a good time when the team is getting smeared but I’ve seen Ryan enjoying himself. I liked the guy, but it’s pretty obvious a lot of people had a problem with how he was carrying himself and the sad fact is he didn’t perform well enough for everyone to put up with it anymore.
by lopey986 on Dec 16, 2010 10:58 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
whether perception or reality
the problem was BR. goofiness in the face of failure presents itself as apathy. they offered him help and stipulations. BR refused repeatedly and came up short.
I have no idea how much blame goes which party, but it’s obvious that BR didn’t have a sense of when to toe the line. he reminds me of a 5 yr old dog that repeatedly shits on the carpet. some people may have the tolerance to love the dog and try to remedy the situation. Others may get intolerant of the house wreaking of shit and the ruined carpet and give the dog to a friend.
There’s no doubt that that skip/theriot is a downgrade… but this FU clubhouse stuff seems misdirected and irrational.
or you can just leave the dog out in the doghouse
and ignore it and let it do its thing.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
granted this never works with humans
because you have to talk to them for about 200+ days a year and given Ryan’s personality, it’d probably be every one of those days
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 16, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
Eh...
I don’t know. I don’t think the Cardinals have the best track record for personnel management, especially in terms of mental health.
Hopefully Boog has fun in Seattle. Maybe Ichiro can teach him a thing or two about how to be obnoxious and beloved by teammates. And hopefully he gets to start.
Well the verdict isn't still completely in
Until we see how the infield defense holds up, and until we see how often pitchers will have to answer questions about their perceived slippage in performance. There’s no question he was annoying to some people, going back to when he first came into the league and sat in the veterans seats on the charter, up until the end.
Hopefully, Lohse can go back to getting some outs now.
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 16, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
I kind of agree
hey, if Ryan has to go, he has to go
I understand.
But we didnt upgrade at all
AND we kept Skip
thats just a complete failure
we made a move to make a move
thats it
by jealousblues on Dec 16, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
come on give the guys a break
this is real serious stuff we’re talking about here. I mean, these guys are out there saving lives and defending our country. Oh wait, we’re not talking about medical professionals and soldiers here, are we? Thats right, we’re talking about guys who get paid millions of dollars to PLAY A GAME.
It is absolutely ridiculous to think that PLAYING A GAME cannot be fun and has to be taken so seriously. I wish Brendan had been traded to the Giants. Those guys really seemed to take their “job” seriously.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on Dec 16, 2010 10:43 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
my point exactly
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
if i played a game for 6-8 figures each year.
and a slight difference in performance could mean millions of $$$. I probably would take it pretty seriously.
And i highly doubt it’s about being goofy and joking around. All the player interviews seem to point to something more serious. It appears like the players are sugar-coating their opinions, who knows the true story? Not me.
And Waino can goof around because he is a top-5 MLB pitcher, and probably doesn’t piss off anybody more important in the organization. Even if he does…he’s one of the best pitchers in the major leagues.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Exactly.
We as fans see it as a game and it’s far from that for these guys.
by lopey986 on Dec 16, 2010 11:00 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
True, but most players acknowledge the importance of staying loose mentally.
I think we can all agree Brendan was playing worse when he was pressing and down on himself.
Very true
But he was grating on the other players when he was staying loose and having fun when they were getting beat. Double edged sword and all that.
by lopey986 on Dec 16, 2010 11:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
oh come on
i have been in the stadium across from the dugout and over the bullpen 20 times this year and probably saw some 155 games from the season altogether. even when we were taking a major beating there were still guys laughing in the dugout and the bullpen always ALWAYS has fun
losing a game doesn’t mean you have to put on a sad face and show the world you are suffering inside, that’s bullshit
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
Yeah the bullpen always has fun.
They aren’t having an effect on the outcome of the game at that point. Do you ever see a closer enjoying himself after giving up a bomb to lose the game? No because if he was someone would certainly get in his ass. It’s pretty obvious Ryan was having a bit too much fun at the wrong time, simple as that.
Also, he didn’t play as well as management wanted. If he was playing at 09 levels he’d still be with the cardinals.
I’m not gonna buy into the notion the cardinals treated him badly. They could’ve dealt him to some team that would stick him in triple a, or even stuck him in triple a themselves or hell even just outright cut him. Instead they traded him to an organization where he has a chance to get a fresh start in a new clubhouse and he’s gonna have a shot to start more importantly. Even if we kept him, do you really ever see la russa playing him over skip or Theriot? I certainly don’t.
by lopey986 on Dec 16, 2010 11:23 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
you're fooling yourself
they traded him to whoever asked first and could provide an arm
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
And it was a team that needs MI help.
If anything, you should be ecstatic about this. You love Ryan. He is getting out of an abusive relationship and getting a fresh start elsewhere.
by lopey986 on Dec 16, 2010 11:36 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
they have a $5 mil shortstop
but maybe they give him 2B
i am happy for him, it is great that he won’t have to deal with being in the doghouse anymore. especially for someone with adhd, that is really positive
but i am insanely mad that out team is making moves that are idiotic and for idiotic reasons no less
whenever we got theriot larussa and mozeliak were talking about having depth at short. what kind of depth do we have now?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
so let me get this straigh
so far we’ve shown no real faith in tyler greene
but now all of a sudden he’s the savior?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
if by savior you mean
depth and short stop, than yes.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
someone in the front office must have gotten glasses
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
The guys at lookout landing seem to think he starts the season at 2B and Wilson eventually gets traded
I think the Ms have him pencilled in at SS in the medium-term, at least, and as a starter or primary backup guy immediately.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 16, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
but everyone here is also a Cards fan and therefore sad to lose
the best defensive player in MLB at the most important defensive position who happened to be making league minimum
"as long as it agrees with my argument, yes" vivaelpujols
Baltimore, Minnesota and San Diego
were all possible trade partners before Seattle even came up on the rumor mill. Baltimore even resigned Izturis for $15.mm instead of sending a Single A pitcher for Ryan.
$15 Mm?!?!
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
that's slightly less crazy
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Then why did they turn down SD?
(and what in the world kind of low offer did SD make that was worse than Cleto??)
by ArkansasTravs on Dec 16, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
oh no you didn't
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
I think we can all agree we have little understanding...
of internal clubhouse dynamics and player relationships.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 16, 2010 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
Don't know either as I wasn't attempting to connect my statement with
watching Brendan in post-game interviews.
Also, congrats on the baby. Kids are pretty cool.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 16, 2010 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
Please do not post an internet link to that.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 16, 2010 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
or picture it
Your team is incompetently run by baseball equivalent of the captain from the Caine Mutiny -DiscoJer
I guess I don't know what you were connecting your statement to.
But I’m tired of talking about Ryan.
And thank you.
The "professionalism" stems from the top
It’s a big point for guys like Albert and Carp and TLR. I can understand why they’d be peeved by Boog being late.
Whether we think they should be serious or not is wishcasting. They are that way.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
also
ADHD is a medical condition. This is kinda like Brendan saying, “Kyle’s a good guy and all, does his work, but, that huge scar on his forearm is a distraction to me.”
Ryan acts the way he acts because he cannot help it. He has a chemical imbalance. All of the medications (Ritalin, Focalin, Adderall, Dexedrine, Vyvanse) have significant side effects that would cause problems for a major league baseball player as well.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Bummer about his ADHD
But this is professional baseball, not T-ball. Performance matters, and excuses don’t. Do you think that the Cardinals should re-sign Kyle Lohse for good money because his surgery wasn’t his fault? Of course not.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Dec 16, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
so you are saying
he should be punished for his disability? The reason he acts the way he acts is because he cannot help it. Telling someone with ADHD to be calm and professional and expecting it to happen is like telling someone with brown eyes to have blue eyes. I’m sure he’d love to calm down and be the professional guy they wanted him to be.
I agree, he was probably annoying as all get out. Have you ever been around ADHD kids or adults? They drive me nuts too. But, there is an appropriate way to treat them. They have to be catered to differently than others.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on Dec 16, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He's not being punished.
It’s a business. He was a below average SS in 2010. He was about to become more expensive. To the extent that his ADHD made it less likely that he would ever regain the modicum of usefulness that he once had, in a small sample size, it is perfectly rational to get rid of him. The same would be ture if it were a knee injury rather than ADHD that madse the FO think that he would never be very good.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Dec 16, 2010 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly
Should I be punished by the NBA b/c I’m a 6 foot white guy with limited athletic ability? Why else won’t they let me play?
because you dont have the talent
brendan has the talent. poor analogy. See, the better analogy would be. You are a decent poster, but you are an asshole. Yet we continue to let you post and don’t ship you off to Lookout Landing.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on Dec 16, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
doc, i have always loved your analogies
but you are on fire today! bravo
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
health is a talent
both mental and physical
Otherwise Khalil Greene and Mark Prior would be all-stars. And Mark Mulder would have just led the Cards to their fifth staight World Championship and have 300 wins.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Dec 16, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
distinction without a difference
the point still stands
by SouthsideCardsFan on Dec 16, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
ridiculous
and not in the albert pujols fashion. All 3 of those guys had all star talent, yet their health undermined their talent.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Again, the distinction doesn't matter
If you can’t peform because you blow out a knee, tear up your shoulder, have ADHD, schizophrenia, or are a mean SOB that regularly gets beaten up in bar fights, you are out of a job.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Dec 16, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
really?
because he put up a 1.0 WAR season with pathetic offense. I’d say he performed pretty well. The argument here wasn’t about performance, it was about him being annoying.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
That 1.0 WAR. . .
made him a BELOW-AVERAGE SS.
He ranked 24 out of 34 major-league SS with over 350 PAs.
1.0 WAR is not a goal. It’s a player in need of replacement.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Dec 16, 2010 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
ok, you're right
replacing him with a guy that 2 teams didn’t trust to play SS last year is a great idea.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
That guy. . .
has had a higher WAR than Boog in 3 of the last 4 seasons FWIW.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Dec 16, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
that guys ceiling is about 1.5 - 2 WAR,
where I’d say BR’s is around 3 or so. Ryan played half seasons in 2 of those 4 years as well.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Dec 16, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
In 2008 and 2009,
Theriot had fWARs of 3.1 and 2.3.
Boog’s fWARs for the past 4 seasons have been 1.0, 0.3, 2.7, and 1.0. One of these things is not like the other.
RE: Boog’s half seasons (actually, less), you can’t just assume that his WAR would be pro rata better. Many players get overexposed and become more useless with the bat. In fact, Boog’s 2010, his worst offensive year, coincided with the year where he got the most plate appearances.
You’re free to believe that Theriot has “lost it” and that Boog’s 2010 was the exception rather than the rule. That’s not the best fit for the numbers, but it’s a reasonable argument to make. But just because it’s a reasonable argument to make doesn’t mean that the Cardinals are idiots and are doomed for failure.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Dec 16, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think Theriot is an acceptable SS for this team.
I would have no problem with him at second, but that’s not going to happen.
Ryan’s 2010 also coincided with wrist surgery and a 2 week spring training.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
and in the most recent season
his defense at SS was deemed unacceptable to the point that the Dodgers played Jamey Carrol, a career utility guy who had never played SS before, ahead of him.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
That's true...
they went will Carroll over Theriot at SS. Carroll had played a little there… Still, a red flag.
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
i thought the joe poz article
said that carroll hadn’t played SS. Probably just misread it.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
He had played about 80 games...
spread out from 2002-2007. Very little experience.
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
imange what look out landing must be thinking
“in his most recent season, the Cardinals brought in Aaron Fucking Miles to play SS due to the sporadic play of Ryan.”
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Actually, scoot is a long time and respected poster.
I’d say his opinion means more around here than a lot of others.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Dec 16, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i second that
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
by d-dee on Dec 16, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
means just as much as yours
just change the “we” to “they” and the analogy remains.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
UID 2111
Junior member… not nearly as important as a three digit UID, but still a member in good standing. Posters without UIDs are the ones that don’t mean shit.
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
forgot the login info
on my first account, fwiw
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
That's what they all say...
either you have a sub-800 UID or you don’t.
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
How do you check the uid?
Pretty sure I joined in early 08, curious to see what mine would even be.
by lopey986 on Dec 16, 2010 12:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
you joined in 06
go to your profile and scroll down and look at each blog you are a member of.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
You have 804...
right on the precipice of relevance. Though the avatar makes it difficult to respect your opinion. Click on your screen name and scroll down.
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
If anything my top gun avatar
Makes everything I say 100% correct.
by lopey986 on Dec 16, 2010 12:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Checking UID
how do you?
I joined in October or Novermber of 2006, but then had to start over in 08 when they changed SBN (what a hassle that was)
You're 2382
Click on your user name and it’s under the VEB box
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
go to profile page
scroll down and look at VEB
you are 2382
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I wish I had signed up back in 2006.
Instead of stuck with a Clue reference for an UID.
“1+1+2+1”
Brendan Ryan is no longer a St. Louis Cardinal.
Fortunately, Aaron Miles isn't either.
that's wrong
it’s 1+2+2+1
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Only one shot got the chandelier.
Brendan Ryan is no longer a St. Louis Cardinal.
Fortunately, Aaron Miles isn't either.
And more proof, that I'm an idiot.
I did sign up in 2006.
/headdesk
/repeatforgoodmeasure
Brendan Ryan is no longer a St. Louis Cardinal.
Fortunately, Aaron Miles isn't either.
Yeah
I’d say anything after 196 is when this place jumped the proverbial shark with all the FNGs.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
congratulations on the pregnancy
we are hoping for the same soon.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Bottom of previous thread
Also, zombie dreams.
Brendan Ryan is no longer a St. Louis Cardinal.
Fortunately, Aaron Miles isn't either.
Ya, she let it slip out in the late night thread, this morning.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I did miss it.
I usually just look for the fights in 1000 word comments and try to make sure no one is being too much of a jackass.
Congrats, spants.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
there was a tweet too
but, you know, you can barely follow 10 people on twitter.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I'm on information overload.
I already have blogging guilt about FR and now you all want me to follow more tweeters. I can’t even read all the tweets I get now so that’s no guarantee that I’d see it. Unless it’s got an @azruzavatar in it . . . I’m liable to miss it.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
duly noted
I will now include you in all of my important tweets. Which will be a grand total of 0
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
What's your twitter?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
sarnold4
i think you already follow me
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Yeah that sounds familiar
It gets confusing when twitter names deviate from VEB names
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
especially with all the cardsfan4's around here
but, I’ve used that for everything except VEB. I think that was my original handle here but I forgot my password.
I’ve wrestled with changing to scoot on twitter, but thats a nickname I’d rather not have my real world friends dredging back up.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Yes, congrats!
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 16, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
seems appropriate
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
And good luck cleaning your floor too.
I was wondering if I read too much into yesterday’s nesting tweet. Oh, and congrats!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
best of luck...
make sure you load up on the sleep now.
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
Never give advice to a pregnant lady...
and never give your best wishes to spants
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
Lady is generous
JK BFF 4EVER <3
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
that's so awesome, spants.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
Ditto on the noob.
Get her/him an early account here, like before your “confinement”. Maybe we could get some posts from in utero? “It’s blogging from inside my body!!” kind of thing?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 16, 2010 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
Scoot's to do list:
Not pull out.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
no, but he's a dick
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
Congrats, spants
When is the little dude due to show up?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 16, 2010 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
So we should plan now
for spants stint on the DL just before the All-Star break. Who should we bring up from the Memphis blog?
Oh, and I don’t think I’ve added my congrats yet so,
Congratulations!
by ArkansasTravs on Dec 17, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
I want my opinion to count...
even though I am a jackass. (not a comment on anyone else but SheckieZx)
how does the UID hierarchy work?
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
That's odd. Does this mean he doesn't exist?
Brendan Ryan is no longer a St. Louis Cardinal.
Fortunately, Aaron Miles isn't either.
Sheckie, who has no UID.
Brendan Ryan is no longer a St. Louis Cardinal.
Fortunately, Aaron Miles isn't either.
I've been hearing that from my mother for years.
but that doesn’t answer my question.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
You take that back!!!!!
I lost my first login, and actually missed a UID by 1 day on my second account.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
You're in the 10,000 comment club...
that’s impressive in its own right.
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
Lot's of quantity,
not a lot of quality. I’m taking the gdm approach.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
already ahead of me!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
how many did eff have?
Probably not a whole lot. He didn’t stick around to long. That guy was an ass.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
3000
So we’re close!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
FFS
Shut up, Fritz.
Brendan Ryan is no longer a St. Louis Cardinal.
Fortunately, Aaron Miles isn't either.
I believe that was trademarked.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
On a related note...
HFS CFIC.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
42k...
Wonder what Cody or Y2S is at…
Brendan Ryan is no longer a St. Louis Cardinal.
Fortunately, Aaron Miles isn't either.
Y2 is over 50K
Cody’s around 12K
PJ is around 25K
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
gdm?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
I feel like I talk too much around here but I'm only around 11k
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
I'm a little shocked in 5 years I've only had 15K
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
well,
those “lol” and “BOOOOOOOOOG” comments rack up fast during the season
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
Don't have to worry about the Boog comments anymore.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 16, 2010 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
spants is in the over 20K club as well.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Cgirly's at 15k
where oh where’d she go
Your team is incompetently run by baseball equivalent of the captain from the Caine Mutiny -DiscoJer
No wonder I seem to blend into the background
UID of 843 but I’m only at 1500+ comments. What a slacker.
by ArkansasTravs on Dec 16, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
raise your production or we'll trade you for some noob from lookout landing
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
Best lurker ever
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Yep, he's got me beat
guess my real life persona (wallflower) leaks onto here too.
by ArkansasTravs on Dec 16, 2010 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
Frog joined on
3/13/2008 he has a uid….I joined on 3/15/2008….no uid.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Really? No UID = no value?
Well, I’m glad to know that my opinion is worthless around here. Guess that frees me up to write a bunch of three sentence fanposts about Colby-for-Vlad trade proposals.
that would be a nice trade
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
468, bitch.
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 16, 2010 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
You're shooting a bullet...
…at a guy who has been around here since (acc to his profile and it may be longer, not sure there scoot) 2008 and has over 4000 comments. Dude has a pair of 10+ REC fanposts. His opinion means quite a bit here.
VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009
by redbirdnation8206 on Dec 16, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
wow
this is a way to make everyone go against you even the people who agree with what you’re saying
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 16, 2010 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
haha i didn't even notice that part
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 16, 2010 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
eh, I'm done with this
twas a stupid move with no benefit coming to the club. Even if they felt he had no value left to the team, the remarks they made leading up to getting rid of him only worked to de-value him further. I hope he uses this as motivation and becomes the top tier SS we needed.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I hope Theriot/Skip prove to be a useful combo.
And we made the right decision.
I would really like Boog to do well, but I’m sure the only time I will hear an update is when a VEBer posts about his success/failure in Seattle.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
then plan to hear about it often
success or failure, I think there will be a large number of posters doing the, “I told you so” all summer long.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
The correct terminology is
BOOG would’ve.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
That is going to get old before the season even starts at this rate.
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
Wait until Boog starts 2011 going 6 for 8 and 2 ESPN web gems after 3 games.
Brendan Ryan is no longer a St. Louis Cardinal.
Fortunately, Aaron Miles isn't either.
who's counting..
oh that’s right, I AM
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
You've got to figure out this holiday break thing.
There was a conva last night just screaming for you, and you failed us.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Shit man!
I got home a few hours ago and will set up my computer soon. let the lewdness commence!
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
i just hope he has success
and that we have success. And realize that those two things can happen, but they might not have happened if he stayed here.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
how many fuckin accounts do all you people have?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
i only have one
????
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
tooooootally sbn'd
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
Though I do hate when I sign up for a site
and forget my password or something. And they don’t have any kind of “forgot my password” Then I have to create a new userid. Because I lose “evilfrog” I also hate when I go to sign up for a site and it’s taken.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
For fucks sake
Boog being traded has nothing to do with his performance. We acquired Theriot and kept Skip, even though they were worse than Ryan last year and are likely worse going forward.
Boog being traded is entirely because of his personality. Something that would not be a factor in most non-TLR clubhouses.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 16, 2010 3:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
some people disagree
on the likely to be worse going forward.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Who disagrees?
Theriot might have a claim, but Skip is clearly worse than Boog. Career WAR per 600 PA for each player (average of B-R and FanGraphs)…
Boog: 2.5 (1332 PA)
Skip: 1.2 (1983 PA)
Theriot: 1.5 (2748 PA)
And Boog was the better player last year, and in 2009.
So, clearly, Ryan is a better player than the two. I know WAR has a margin of error and it would be better to way more recent seasons higher, but it’s obvious that Ryan is a better player than those other two.
So that means the Cardinals either traded him because they suck at valuing players, or they think his personality is a detriment. I think both reasons are absolutely dumb.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 16, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not one of those people
But it has to do with the belief that 09 was a fluke for Ryan. (which it looks like it was when you take his minor league career in to count) and the belief that theriot is more likely to regain his 08 form than Ryan is his 09 form.
As far as skip goes… babip I guess.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
It's a shitty argument
That is directly contradicted by empirical evidence (more recent seasons are more predictive). Some people disagree with evolution, should we listen to them regarding a scientific discussion?
Skip’s BABIP was .050 points higher than Ryan’s last year, and the same as his in 09. That argument is also shit.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 16, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
:shrug:
time will tell.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
More bullshit
Try again!
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 16, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
how about
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
So why are you arguing for them?
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 16, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
Boog has been in the top half
of SSs in WAR exactly once in his career (2009: 15/36 of all SSs with over 400 PAs) and just barely at that.
He was 41/54 in 2008 of all SS with 150 PAs or more.
28/45 in 2007 among 150 PAs or more.
It’s a very small sample size, but he has been in the bottom half of SS in the league 3 out of his 4 years in the league.
As far as Theriot goes, comparing him and Boog’s 2010 is a bit like comparing apples and oranges. Theriot wasn’t even really a SS in 2010; he played 29 games there, 119 at 2B, and 8 at 3B. He was -3.3 in those 29 games at SS (a SSS if I’ve ever seen one), the only time in his career he has been a minus fielder at the position. He was a marginally minus fielder at 2B for the rest of the season, despite not having played there for three years. He also got less “credit” for positional value (i.e. 5.0 RAR per 200 PA less than Skippy got for having his name written in the lineup card at SS rather than 2B or 3B). That all adds up to two below-average SS.
To a degree, this is like two bald men fighting over a comb. Let’s talk about somethign that really matters, like whether A Rey should have been allowed to throw his four-seamer in the majors. . .
by SouthsideCardsFan on Dec 16, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
Boog is about 1 win better per 600 games than both Skip and Theriot
Agree or disagree? And show your work please.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 16, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
When Boog has played 600 games, I'll let you know.
Seriously, you can’t just extrapolate the 430 games that Boog has played into 600 games at the same rate. That would be assuming that Boog would play his next 170 games exactly at his career rates of performance. Using your own petard, I guess we could weight 2010 more heavily. . .
And I don’t believe I’ve ever said which of the two below-average 2010 Cardinal middle infielders was a better bet going forward.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Dec 16, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
So 600 games is the magic number, but 430 isn't enough, gotcha
1300 plate appearances is well past the point where we “can extrapolate anything from”. 1300 plate appearances means we can take Boog’s performance mostly on face value. Regression would take him down like .2 WAR at most.
And we should weight 2010 most heavily, we should also weigh 2009 more heavily than 2008. Anyway you twist the numbers, Boog comes out looking like a 1 win upgrade on Skip and Theriot.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 16, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
You mean Boog/Theriot comes out as a 1 win upgrade on Theriot/Skip, correct?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I mean, I agree that Boog/Theriot is the optimal configuration
I don’t think that was ever the plan
Do you agree that Boog/Skip is a marginal upgrade from Theriot/Skip?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Yes, I'm willing to grant you that. . .
Boog’s offense is well below average. We do have enough PAs to determine that he can’t hit very well.
His defensive stats, however, are still below the number of innings that UZR’s creator say are necessary to have a sufficiently large sample size.
Really, no offense, but I’m finished arguing which crappy middle infielder will be the crappiest in 2011.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Dec 16, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not basing it off UZR
And Boog is not a crappy player. Theriot and Skip are.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 16, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
one war isn't crappy?
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Hey can we all just agree that Theriot sucks and drop it?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Yeah, but 2.5 WAR isn't
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 16, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
it's his pWAR
that’s so low on the tlr scale
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
so if he put up a 5 WAR 2010, he'd still be gone?
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
i'm going to go with no.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
i think you're onto something, here
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
you two are the riot
no he wouldn’t have been traded, because all the things that made him annoying in the clubhouse would have been ok then. Lets turn this around a bit. Perhaps his struggles on the field came partially from the way he was received in his own clubhouse? The guy seems to be very likeable and wants attention/to fit in. Perhaps everyone in the clubhouse hating him grated on him and caused him to press more to try to do better to be liked in the clubhouse.
There is just so much that is not known and so many ways we can spin it to fit our thinking and make the story sound good. Bottom line is, they all need to worry a whole lot more about themselves, show up, and do what is expected of them instead of sitting around complaining about one another.
I work in a place where everyone is looking to catch someone else screwing up so they can rat on them. Its not the best environment and removing one employee from the mix isn’t going to fix it. Its going to take a change in leadership. Someone who will say, “I don’t care what you saw so and so do. Go do your own work and leave them alone.”
/luckily my department consists of me, a part time PT, a scheduler, and a tech so I don’t get mixed up in all that crap.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I'm not theriot
and I doubt if he had any issues with ryan’s personality.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
jokes on you
I’m between patients!
/f’n no shows. Seriously people, show up for your appointments.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
strawman ding ding ding
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 16, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
uh, what
do me a favor and google that. read the wikipedia page
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
I've read the fucking wikipedia page
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 16, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
then, please
explain how i mischaracterized your argument in an attempt to make it easier to refute
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
I never said that Boog performed at a high level
I said that Boog performed better than Skip and Theriot, and is likely better than them going forward. Boog was traded for nothing, and Theriot and Skip are starting – which means Boog was traded for his personality.
You are attributing up a claim to me that was not my argument, thus strawman.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 16, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
...
VEP:
Boog being traded has nothing to do with his performance.
PJ:
so if he put up a 5 WAR 2010, he’d still be gone?
That’s a very valid argument
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
by mysterui on Dec 16, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You missed the part where Boog's performance
is only significant in relation to the guys playing instead. Boog was better than both Skip and Theriot last year, has been significantly better than them over their careers, and is, in all likelihood, better going forward.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 16, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
But it doesn't have NOTHING to do with his performance
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Sure it does
Boog was traded despite being a better player, which means the deciding factor was his personality.
I guess in a probabilistic sense he wasn’t traded entirely because of his personality, PJ is right that if he was a 5 WAR player he wouldn’t have been traded (although you never know with this dumbass front office); however the deciding factor for the trade was Boog’s personality. And it was enough of a factor to make up the 1 WAR difference in production going forward.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 16, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
We're arguing semantics
This isn’t worth it
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
fucking quitter.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
I still find it fascinating that people are defending the trade
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 16, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
i find it annoying
that people think it’s that big of a deal
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As I said, I think this costs us as many wins as we gained in the Berkman signing
So take how good you felt after hearing the Berkman signing and how good it made you feel about the Cardinals front office, and reverse that.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 16, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
okay
can i think about how fired up i still was about berkman a month later? because that fun time wore off after about a day. people have been bitching and moaning about boog non-stop since the theriot trade. shit’s tiring
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Well how many people are actively arguing against the Berkman trade?
There are a ridiculous number of contrarians to the Boog trade popping up and starting shit (I’m not talking about you, more that southside guy and sooner2.0).
If some guy came here and told us Berkman was gonna suck we would defend it.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 16, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not defending the Boog trade
I’m arguing against the point that the world is going to end because the Cardinals traded a below-average SS.
It very well may have been a wrong move, but if it was a wrong move, it’s not that wrong. Brendan Ryan is never going to be confused with Ozzie Smith value-wise.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Dec 16, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
...
A) Nobody says the world is gonna end. People are justifiably angry that our team decided to piss away a win for no reason.
B) Ryan is roughly an average player.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 16, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
the way i see it, WAR aside for a minute
with a groundball pitching staff, how many runs saved Ryan was worth last season
and then try to say it won’t make a difference
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
Wha???
(That’s my new favorite subject line if you hadn’t noticed.)
You’ve been praising the Berkman catch for days as a 3 WAR player blah blah blah. We’re only losing a WAR moving Boog. So you’re saying that we’re only gaining a WAR with the Berkman acquisition?
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
Possibly a 1 WAR upgrade over CraigJay
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Jeez
If he gets this worked up over 1 WAR in either direction. . . I hate that the Cardinals seem to undercut themselves at the margins but this is as inconsequential of a move you can get and still have it affect the teams win total on paper.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
...have you ever met VEP?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
by mysterui on Dec 16, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
10% playoff odds!
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 16, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
Under what conditions
because I don’t by that argument as a generalization. You have to have a preset distribution of talent within the division in mind. If the Yankees were in the NL Central next year and pissed away a win, it would not hurt their playoff odds by 10%
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
On average, for a team that's expected to win 88-92 games
A change in one win is equal to about a 10% change in playoff odds.
So this is the average situation, but it’s not like we know a whole lot about how the division will shake up next year. Our true playoff odds could end up changing in any direction.
I think the 10% playoff odds is a good benchmark.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 17, 2010 1:13 AM EST up reply actions
I think mysterui's mother is easy.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I agree with that as well
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 17, 2010 1:18 AM EST up reply actions
Oh god he's back
EVERYBODY STOP HAVING FUN
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
How's your empty apartment?
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 17, 2010 1:18 AM EST up reply actions
i'm guessing he's horny
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 17, 2010 1:20 AM EST up reply actions
You are absolutely correct
My fiancee was supposed to fly out today, but she couldn’t if I had to stay out another week =(
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
bummer
well, at least you don’t have to go through the 8 months out of 3.5 years anymore…
that’s a pretty big plus
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 17, 2010 1:23 AM EST up reply actions
oh no
you are annoyed. Does that mean we will be traded?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
i have my ear open to the market
if a trade makes sense, i’ll pursue it
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twatter
just make sure you get good quality in return
not someone that only posts TWSS all day
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I think if they are using
a 40 pt drop in OPS+ (coupled with his BABIP numbers) to gauge his likely value going forward, we need to hire some new quants now.
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 16, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
alright this is ridiculous
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 16, 2010 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
read the side effects
have you ever seen someone on these drugs? They are zombies.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
then you provide him an ADHD coach
what happened to “put the player in the best position to succeed?”
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
i am no more irrational than the decision to move him and the reasons for it
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
could be
but there’s so much that we don’t know… what help was offered to him? how did he respond?
in the face of mounting evidence that other players support the decision, it’s reasonable to assume that there was a problem there – perceived or real.
Like i said, i don’t support the concept of replacing boog with theriot, but there’s obviously more too it than that.
I would think Ryan wouldn't want this
A special coach there to take care of his special needs? The guy probably already felt like enough of an outcast I really can’t see that helping matters.
by lopey986 on Dec 16, 2010 12:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
thats why joey bombs was around
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
i don't see how having a bartender
hang around a drunk is going to help him stay sober.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
ADHD
We have no idea how ADHD affects Brendan. Everyone handles it differently and I don’t think it makes any sense to speculate how much it really affects his actions.
I do know Brendan was kicked off his college baseball team. You have to do something pretty bad other than being a little annoying to get kicked off your college team.
I for one would have loved to see Brendan at SS and Theriot at 2B this year.
so we should just assume
that he doesn’t care what the rest of the guys think about him and annoys them just to spite them?
Oh, and speculating is all we can do about anything around here. If we cant speculate danup should just turn off the comments section.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
iirc, getting kicked off the team had something to do with the coach
he does reportedly talk alot and i am sure it can get annoying but we also know that there are cliques in the clubhouse and no one hangs out with all of the other 24 the entire rest of the time, so it’s not like they had to be around him all the time even if he was annoying
and it’s not like he didn’t have any friends. but mather and the other youngters were in memphis, and colby had his own issues, and luddy was traded
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
it goes both ways....
Who knows what he did to wear out his welcome.
I wish he was still in STL but I can actually allow myself to realize that Brendan does something more than being a goofy fun loving guy to basically get run off his college and MLB team.
Can you at least grant that?
i seem to remember reading somewhere a while back
some of his teammates said he was a good teammate
although he tends to chat a lot
but he and the coach had beef, he pulled his scholarship and stuff
since then, i seem to remember, the coach wrote him a letter to apologize, congratulate etc. but iirc boog doesn’t even want to know about the guy
i think this one’s actually really on the coach
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
yeah, we definitely have enough information
to reach a conclusion about the dynamics of brendan ryan’s relationship with his high school coach. you’re so totally objective
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by prophetjohn on Dec 16, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
at least Lohse allowed his name to be attached to it
and not reported it as an “anonymous club house source” .
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
I'm with you on that.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
sure, but "i like him but some other guys don't"
doesn’t exactly scream honesty (for a lack of a better word) to me either
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
No disagreement here
If you’re going to take a shot (veiled or not) at a former teammate you might as well be a man and say it in public. I respect Lohse for doing that at least, even if as I detailed above I’m unimpressed by his position.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Dec 16, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
i will be so glad when there is something better to talk about
than brendan fuckin’ ryan. every. day.
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by prophetjohn on Dec 16, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
8 weeks until pitchers and catchers report.
Brendan Ryan is no longer a St. Louis Cardinal.
Fortunately, Aaron Miles isn't either.
i don't think so
what is it?
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by prophetjohn on Dec 16, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
A bunch of bloatware, plus Swype, visual voicemail, a new 4G widget (?), and a TeleNav update.
It’s an HTC update. Sprint started pushing it yesterday, but I can’t get my phone to update even I tell it to look.
nah, i haven't gotten any notifications
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by prophetjohn on Dec 16, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
I love swype.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I prefer SwiftKey.
Swype’s prediction sucks. If Swype and SwiftKey joined forces, I would pay $10 for that keyboard. In fact, I prefer SlideIt to Swype. SlideIt is like $9, though.
I heard that about Swype,
but there was an update that came out with 2.2 on the X, and it seems great.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I used that version.
Still not a huge fan. I like the act of swype-ing. I just can’t give up SwiftKey’s awesomeness.
i like the HTC keyboard
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by prophetjohn on Dec 16, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know
Wikileaks just revealed that it was Brendan Ryan that leaked the cables…
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
wow
that is some pretty heavy vituperation. I am not on the team, so I don’t know, but I guess that maybe he was the airhead on the team? And I know that role well. It sucks, so does personality engrained in the DNA. But what interests me, is these guys are getting paid millions, and they still care about the team (chemistry?) not only the bucks. Interesting concept.
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Dec 16, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
heaven forbid
we have young, cheap, good somewhat annoying players
when we can have older, crappy, way overpaid, hurt pitchers
but hey hes kinda laid back and not annoying…
by jealousblues on Dec 16, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
possibly
but they have grit! actually, our bench this season is the worst. Don’t blame it on TLR, Mo is the man.
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Dec 16, 2010 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
If I'm not mistaken, didn't Carp generally insist on Boog behind him?
I remember vaguely hearing that during the season.
Also, I specifically recall a road game where Lopez started at short behind Carp where Lopez made an error and then the next inning Lopez was benched in favor of Boog.
Did I imagine that?
then why is the team still impromptu talking about Ryan being late to the field?
(because the top of out lineup) couldn’t last more than 6 seconds at the plate each
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
you did not imagine it
that did happen. I believe it was Al who was constantly saying that Carp insisted on Ryan as his SS.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
reading the blockquotes
it seems like he’s speaking for the whole club… and not in the “I’m spewing bullshit that my teammates will hear and revolt” manner either…
so in that sense, at least this clairifies why he was traded… This kind of seemed like a situation where Mo had to trade him and the market for Boog was obviously shit so it’s hard to blame him…
i’m not even gonna argue that the players should have been “professionals” because I don’t know how annoying he was….
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by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 16, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
Just for the fun of it, assume that Boog had hit about 300, stole 15 bases and played the same D.
Wonder if his “quasi-professionalism” (my paraphrase) would have resulted in his exile? Rather doubt it. . . . His sin was strong independence and weak bat. .. . fatal combo in TLR Universe. . . Blood will have blood. . .
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
Yeah if Brendan was a >3.0 WAR player they wouldn't have traded him.
Unfortunately, he was a .09WAR (B-Ref) player. Who seemed to piss people off with antics that entertained VEB, but wore on his teammates.
He’s probably being made a scapegoat in this situation. But his sacrifice doesn’t seem to be solely due to TLR’s disdain, his also his teammates. “Doesn’t know how to be a professional…” is a recurring theme from Cardinals PLAYERS. I haven’t seen/heard/read any TLR quotes since Boog’s been traded though.
Below average players get traded every season, even when there are more-below-average players on the same team. It’s unfortunate, I really liked Boog. I liked his defense, I liked his fun-loving attitude, he plays/acts like I probably would as a MLBer. But, I don’t get paid 6-8 figures to play baseball…
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Just nitpicking a little bit
Brendan Ryan’s B-R WAR for 2010 was 0.9, not .09; WAR is not expressed in hundredths. Not that it makes much of a difference (both are still under 1.0), but I work with numbers all day and stuff like that leaps off the screen to me.
I was reading about how countless species are being pushed toward extinction by man's destruction of forests. Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - Calvin, Scientific Progress Goes "Boink", Watterson
sorry, simple typo.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
"WAR is not expressed in hundrdths"
I think they had to make an exception for Ryan.
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
That would only be true
If they said that they couldn’t express WAR as a negative number.
I was reading about how countless species are being pushed toward extinction by man's destruction of forests. Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - Calvin, Scientific Progress Goes "Boink", Watterson
by Solanus on Dec 16, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Boog is better than the guys we have right now, plain and simple
We will likely lose wins next year because of this trade. I’m not sure what your argument is.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 16, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
my argument has nothing to do with Boog's performance relative to Theriot/Skip
Akai wished for us to imagine if Boog performed much better on offense, would his “professionalism” problems would he have been traded. I agreed with him, NO he wouldn’t have been traded. His reasoning is that TLR disliked his independence and weak bat.
My reasoning is that the players also seemed to dislike Ryan’s attitude as well. That combined with the fact that Boog was below average (in 2010) resulted in Boog’s trade. Also, that below-average players get traded often, even if there were worse players on the team.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
typing something of length while being constantly interrupted...
makes Sheckie seem more stupid than he already does…
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Let's quit blaming TLR on this.....
When guys like Carp and Lohse aren’t in your corner, you are clearing doing something wrong.
"It's plenty of money. When you get to a certain point enough's enough. Just gotta go where you're comfortable..."
if only Cliff Lee were Alberto’s agent…and “where you’re comfortable” is StL for Alberto.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
i love springfield. and stl.
i am so jealous. signed, kid stuck in michigan.
Fire John Mozeliak & Tony LaRussa! (Good luck in Seattle, Boog!)
So does Illinois...
And we all know what is in Illinois…
"I don't like to sound egotistical, but every time I stepped up to the plate with a bat in my hands, I couldn't help but feel sorry for the pitcher." Rogers hornsby.
...
Fire John Mozeliak & Tony LaRussa! (Good luck in Seattle, Boog!)
by zoomzoomj88 on Dec 16, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
lot more corn and soy beans
…
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
An Altonian, correct?
I don’t actually know what the term is for someone from Alton…
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by redbirdnation8206 on Dec 16, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
Haven't we all...
VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009
by redbirdnation8206 on Dec 16, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
I've found Rob hanging out in strange places
Here is me with him across from the Alamo. (ignore the awkward stance and the river hat I am wearing. I was playing up the tourist thing)
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Need advice Evilfrog
We spend time in Alton at the marina on our boat every year and I would like to get into town for a game next year. Is there any mass transportation available? Any other ideas.
Madison County Transit
Does run from Alton to St. Louis. Not sure were the closest stop is to the Marina. Could be the casino, or the new bus station
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Thanks
Got the casino shuttle phone # in my cell. Great way to get from marina to downtown. Wish Fast Eddies had a shuttle. Your cabs are a little sketchy but always fun.
Holy fuck, what's behind you?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
that has GOT to be photoshopped
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Probably the Ripley's museum across the street from the Alamo.
Brendan Ryan is no longer a St. Louis Cardinal.
Fortunately, Aaron Miles isn't either.
Ergo, that woman is statue.
Brendan Ryan is no longer a St. Louis Cardinal.
Fortunately, Aaron Miles isn't either.
I'm trying to decide if that's a fat roll or she's slipping a nip in that photo.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
Are we complete certain that's a woman?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 16, 2010 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
You'll find out soon enough
zing!
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 17, 2010 1:14 AM EST up reply actions
her right leg is pregnant also
actually i think she’s just about to undergo mitosis
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by prophetjohn on Dec 16, 2010 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
you son of a
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by prophetjohn on Dec 16, 2010 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
i can't wait
’til evilfrog comes back half mad, half hurt explaining that that woman is someone close to him
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by prophetjohn on Dec 16, 2010 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
with that gravitational pull, who *isn't* she close to?
OH!
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by prophetjohn on Dec 16, 2010 10:05 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
And boom goes the dynamite!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
That's why I didn't say anything
Plus I was 100% certain someone was going to do the dirty work for me.
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 16, 2010 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
it's a wax statue
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
ah, foiled
i hadn’t thought of that one
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by prophetjohn on Dec 16, 2010 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
why is mysterituls mom with you in the pic?
(I figure I had to get in on this)
by jealousblues on Dec 17, 2010 2:48 AM EST up reply actions
what if we dont resign pujols?
Opinions? Trade him? Let him walk and take the draft picks? If trade him what’s an acceptable package?
by rumors on Dec 16, 2010 10:14 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Why would Albert accept a trade anywhere?
If the Cards don’t get it done this Spring he has free agency to look forward to next year. He should accept a trade to help out the team that hasn’t got him signed? He’s going nowhere during the season.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
what about a team like the angels?
Who would be ready to resign him.
by rumors on Dec 16, 2010 10:33 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Why rip his family up in the middle of the season and drag them across the country,
just to go through it again in the fall when he hits free agency. I see two options. He signs an extension early, or it all plays out when the season is over.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I could see him accepting a trade as a magnanimous gesture...
I don’t see the Cards trading him though… It’s going down to the bitter end.
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
I dunno
if we’re out of it (which is quite unlikely) by the middle of the year and a team in a pennant race comes calling, I’m not sure why he’d want to stay here if it’s clear he’s not staying beyond 2011 due to his financial demands.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 16, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
We should trade him for Roy Halliday!
and then sign him for 20Mil per season next year…
"I don't like to sound egotistical, but every time I stepped up to the plate with a bat in my hands, I couldn't help but feel sorry for the pitcher." Rogers hornsby.
But why would his family have to move?
That seems foolish. If its inevitable that he’s going to walk at the end of the season, why wouldn’t he want to go to a contender and have a chance at another ring? His family could stay in St. Louis for a few months, visit him when his team is playing in the midwest, and reunite in the offseason.
I’m sure he would at the very least consider this option.
This is, of course, assuming the Cardinals are essentially out of contention in July.
why wouldnt he
if it becomes obvious that he isnt going to be here
I would think he would have SOME loyalty and figure we would get SOMETHING
by jealousblues on Dec 16, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
it is all
about $28-$30m. Correct me if I am in error.
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Dec 16, 2010 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
we go Cleveland Cavaliers style and fall short
of making the world series and then watch Albert walk.
It’s either extend or goodbye Albert. Definitely no trade.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Dec 16, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
Trying to quit smoking
These 4mg Nicotine gum’s are strong as shit. I don’t think I get this much nicotine from a smoke. Mixed with cold medicine I almost feel high
nice.
I might have to try that. Not to quit smoking, but just to get almost high.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
cold turkey worked for me
was rough and 6 years later i still crave a smoke every once in a while but i haven’t lit one since i quit
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
Yeah, but
now you have to quit cold turkey, which is even worse. I’ve been addicted to cold turkey for years now.
by adiueordie on Dec 16, 2010 6:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
everyone hates a quitter.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Get addicted to some kind of extreme sport/excercise...
then you’ll notice the downside of smoking more acutely.
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
I just went as long as possible between cigarettes.
I would wait until I felt I could not go any longer. It took me less than 10 days to quit smoking. That was the only time I ever attempted to quit and it was 10 years ago.
i got dog sick
couldn’t get out of bed for three days. So after not smoking for three days, figured, well, now is the time. Plus my wife(then girlfriend) didn’t think I could do it. I respond well when challenged.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
My grandfather
smoked for 30-40 years, at least a pack a day, maybe more, found out he had a heart condition, and quit the next day.
I prefer the gum though....I thought the patches were strong as hell
They worked but they gave me the most insane dreams ever. I like the gum and the intese feeling goes away after a few anyway.
by mick311 on Dec 16, 2010 11:46 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
how many were you sticking on yourself at a time?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
The only problem with this gum is
That I tend to swallow my gum on accident a lot
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 16, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
We should've thrown in Craig/Jay...
along with Ryan to acquire Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaardsma.
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
depends on if he means both jay and craig
or just one of them. because I’d do that.
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 16, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
so small pants...
i just found out you were going to give birth to even smaller pants in the near future…
congratulations?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
you tell me?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
in that case then
CONGRATULAAAAATIOOOOONS!!!!!
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
Haha, thanks!
Pregnancy sucks, by the way. The next person I hear call pregnancy beautiful is getting punched in the throat.
no stabbing?
I don’t think I like the affect this pregnancy is having on you…
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
Yeah, I have a Twitter...big whoop...wanna fight about it?
But it's a beautiful thing!
General craziness, morning sickness, inability to sleep comfortably.
What’s not to like about that?
(Oh, and congrats.)
Brendan Ryan is no longer a St. Louis Cardinal.
Fortunately, Aaron Miles isn't either.
I thought
that spants meant Smarty Pants, not Small Pants. anyhow, now that all is revealed, have a nice delivery. On our second son eons ago, my sherpa wife said, oh, I think that is time to go to the bar around the corner, had 2 beer, taxi to hospital, and Dr. Gunawan (Chinese fake Indonesian name, this was in East Java, Malang) was outside talking to the nurses, and my wife is delivering and the nurses call him, Dr, it is time, and he rolls in just in time to catch Daniel (now 22) shooting out, and I am there watching it all, no antiseptic gown or anything, the Third World! Have a great time! Playlist now- is this prescient, clairvoyant or whatever, Pearl Jam – v Daughter, or maybe you know already!
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Dec 16, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
It doesn't mean Smarty Pants OR Small Pants. :)
We don’t know what it is yet. I think it’s a boy, though. We’ll see.
I always wondered, do you pronounce it
“spants” or “esspants”?
And congrats on the kiddo…they’re pretty awesome.
by RollBirdsRoll on Dec 16, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
Glad to know I was saying it right all along.
Don’t wanna get stabbed….
by RollBirdsRoll on Dec 16, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
She's over that.
Now just avoid getting punched in the throat.
Brendan Ryan is no longer a St. Louis Cardinal.
Fortunately, Aaron Miles isn't either.
You know
stupid Indonesian Dr, we went for our ultra sound check, at about 7 months, and the Dr. says, oh, it’s a boy. Damn. I wanted it to be a mystery, but I gathered that Indos like to know. Then we went to visit Mt. Bromo (sherpa wives are hardy) and she was 7 months, and she rode a horse down into the volvano (now active) we got to the volcano, and we walk up the 400 steps to the edge, and she says, oh I see a trail down to the bottom. Right. I wanted to give our son a middle name of Bromowan (Bromo hero) but passed and went with a sherpa name. I hope that all goes well for you and you can enjoy all of the memories of the creation!
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Dec 16, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
I like it when you tell Indonesia/yak stories.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I can
yahk all day. Just called my brother in law in the mountains last night.Amazing technology. We are in Phoenix just now, and we are talking to near Mt. Everest. Anyhow, all is well in the mountains.I want to go there and increase incomes, have skills, will travel. By the way, I am listening to CFNY, The Edge, online. Check it out. Rocks!
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Dec 16, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
Why does being pregnant sound like a hangover?
Also, its times like these i feel like i’m missing out on the joys of heterosexuality… OH NO WAIT.
Also, also; congratulations on procreation, God would be proud.
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
curiosity kills the cat
when was your last post that wasn’t about your homosexuality or alcohol?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
If you go back to 2009 i may have complained about the Cardinals
in a sober, heterosexual manner. But its unlikely
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
The very interesting post mentioned at the top of this page?
The Mang does more than Milton can
To justify God's ways to man.
At what price?
heterosexuality
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Dec 16, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
the stuff leading up to the kid sucks, but is worth it
"as long as it agrees with my argument, yes" vivaelpujols
i thought the stuff leading up to the pregnancy
was uppose to be the fun part?
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
where
is the love in all of this (just joking!)?
A new generation equation:
you +me= us
not talking about you specifically, but any you. I am looking forward to my grandchildren. I love kids. But mine are old enough to be having kids, however, not yet. Will i be a good grandpa? I hope so, hick! Good luck!
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Dec 16, 2010 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
That was almost WCBW worthy.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 16, 2010 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
At the risk of bordering on the religous I will keep you in my prayers
The first one is such an awesome and scary thing, but at the same time it was the most rewarding and meaningful thing I have ever been a part of.
"as long as it agrees with my argument, yes" vivaelpujols
I don't think anybody on this board will ever take offense to you saying you'll have someone in your prayers
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
i pray for all you heathens to come to Jesus every day
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
this on the other hand..
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
by prophetjohn on Dec 17, 2010 2:35 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That's disgusting.
Oh, come to…..
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Dec 17, 2010 8:19 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Sooo....
I get mentioned on VEB’s frontpage and its not in a post entitiled: ‘Serious Business: List of Commenters banned for life for making lewd sexual comments and/or hitting on VEB authors’.
I think i deserve a medal or something. Also, thanks Dan; to quote Futurama: “YOU ARE TEH GREETEST”.
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
by Aranathor on Dec 16, 2010 12:19 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
i'll give you a rec, if that will suffice.
Fire John Mozeliak & Tony LaRussa! (Good luck in Seattle, Boog!)
by zoomzoomj88 on Dec 16, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry, dirty mind
But why, MLBTR, why?
“Heavy Action” On Bobby Jenks
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
so i have nothing to do for the rest of the day...
i had a final at 8 and now i’m done until another final at 8 am tmrw. wee!
(i was hoping veb would be a little more active, but it’s thursday).
Fire John Mozeliak & Tony LaRussa! (Good luck in Seattle, Boog!)
you could also study for tomorrow's final
you know, to kill time
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
true
and i will do a little bit of studying, but most of the stuff is common knowledge.
Fire John Mozeliak & Tony LaRussa! (Good luck in Seattle, Boog!)
by zoomzoomj88 on Dec 16, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
what's the subject
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
communication basics (basically a speech class)
and i’ve had three speech classes since 7th grade.
Fire John Mozeliak & Tony LaRussa! (Good luck in Seattle, Boog!)
by zoomzoomj88 on Dec 16, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
lol comm classes
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 16, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
I, for one, am thankful
especially grateful to d-dee (with whom I am in about 99% agreement, tho’ I concede my opinion is as much emotional as rational: translate, I really liked Boog) but also to the counter-pointers.
Because I have been having trouble with “closure” [ugh, an awful concept] on the B. Ryan deal. And like some have suggested, enough, time to move on. The above lively discussion has been helpful and appreciated.
A wrinkle worth MY mention, lastly, is I am saddened that I am going to be denied the the joy of hearing the lovably gruffy Dave Niehaus completely lose control, raving about a Brendan Ryan defensive play. That too, would have helped my closure.
Mr Niehaus has passed on, literally, and in a way so has our Boog.
Life goes on.
Okay, so I'm not entirely sure how I finished my team software project paper last night
I think there’s about a 60-70% chance that I wrote it all in caps and made several Lord of the Rings references.
Fire John Mozeliak
it's a software project?
so, you got an A?
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
by prophetjohn on Dec 16, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
i damn well better
i put so much work into that project
Fire John Mozeliak
by purple_haze on Dec 16, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
what were you supposed to implement?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
as long as you didn't write
I SEEEEE YOOOUUUU
FRODO BAGGINSSS
you’ll be fine
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
Why Joe Pos isn't a windbag
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
I already apologized...
sheesh… JP is more beloved around here than BR.
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
Would you like to be; burned at the stake, hung drawn and quartered or tossed out to sea?
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
got to agree
tossed into the sea. Frogs are amphibious.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
There are differences between salt and freshwater though
chances are you would dehydrate or over-hydrate. One of the two its been too long since i last did biology.
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
You ought to consider
…getting 100% into character. Be a full on frog a la MooCow. I don’t know how you’d work ribbit into every comment but it’s an idea.
VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009
by redbirdnation8206 on Dec 16, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
i dont know, if he did that he might croak
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on Dec 16, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Put him in the comfy chair!
NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!!!!!
by The Spanish Inquisition on Dec 16, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Also, yes i am going to decorate it later.
Its just christmas trees are awesome.
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
That's what passes for a Christmas tree across the pond huh?
Way to go Charlie Brown.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
pine trees in england
go for ~3 times as much as they do over here.
Plus, what’s wrong with that tree? Where are pictures of yours?
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
True dat. That one's about 5 ft 8-9 in
and cost £35. About $55.
Also, my house isn’t particularly big.
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
Let me have my fun......
I know that pine trees are as rare as teeth over there.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Not as rare as manners are over there.
Obviously.
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
by Aranathor on Dec 16, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
heh.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I spent
summers from age 13-18 pruning. planting, and harvesting Xmas trees, then planting them in the spring as I returned from uni. How is the shape?
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Dec 16, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
thats awesome, i would kill for that job.
Its pretty good on that side, don’t know if you can tell from the pic, but its quite a tight space we have to put a tree in (i blame my mum for that; she INSISTS we put it there rather than in the big bay window on the other side of room). Also, cause where we buy them from is outdoors we always buy one thats too bushy, but i quite like it. It’ll look better with decorations.
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
I can hook you up.
My uncle owns one in Bigfork.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I have two.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
COLLAPSE! COLLAPSE!
Sorry about the size.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
that's what she said.
Gritty Proven Veteran
by RosevilleRedbird on Dec 16, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
that bottom one
looks more appropriate for aranathor’s house.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Found it in my grandmother's basement after she passed.
Love it.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Hahahahahahhahahaha loser
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
how's the subleaser hunt going?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Um. I'm not really sure
I don’t know what else to do other than post Craigslist ads once in awhile and wait around. I feel like I should ACTIVELY be doing something, but I don’t think I can
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Stand on a street corner with a sign?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
i thought that after I typed it out
but then, I dont really care what it is because I’m not the one stuck in an apartment that I don’t want.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Just like your mom
heh heh heh
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Oh my g
your mom is a 57? I am a 51, it is so debilitating! Stretch!
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Dec 16, 2010 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
We've got a similar looking gold one somewhere.
But real trees > synthetic trees.
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
Agreed. Thats why we have two!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
nice guy, bar
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
Thanks, it came with the house.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
i was going to say the same thing
but stopped short before we all start talking about home remodeling.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Personally, i think he should knock down the archway...
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
If I had a bigger house, maybe
but the front room and the dining room need a little separation. They’re like half the house! (not counting basement)
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Pfft! Those are one of my favorite things about houses in St. Louis city.
All sorts of different archways.
i'd agree
here it alton it’s all about the woodwork. Mine unfortunately came with knotty pine paneling all upstairs….
sigh..
If I knew then what I know now…
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Having grown up in Alton
I concur. I had a basement bedroom years ago that was all wood paneling. And no windows. Looking back, it would have made a good kill room for Dexter.
is
Alton in PA? From the thread I guess it is in Missouri. since the Lee signing anything about PA depresses me, or do i mean Altoona?
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Dec 16, 2010 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
Illinois.....
BTW…you need to stop for a beer on your next trip through.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Sheize
I just saw this note. I know, I was avoiding the thang. We drove New Denver to Spokane, Lewiston, Boise, Ely N , Vegas, Phoenix. OK, being a consummate deviant, we will hit Bozeman on the way home (April??). It is Bozeman right?
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Dec 16, 2010 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
Helena...fuck bozone.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
oh...that's easy.
We gave this to the rest of you in 2008.
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Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
that's quite the domicile you got there RR
when you said you were remodeling i didn’t know you were going all out
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
it's not height...
it’s girth that counts. Aranthor’s doing alright for himself.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
by SheckieZx on Dec 16, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
when did they pick up the christmas tree tradition over there anyway?
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
They got it from Prince Albert ... we got it from them.
The Mang does more than Milton can
To justify God's ways to man.
really?
I thought it was an American invention… you know just like most everything else.
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
German
And the Christmas trees I’ve seen in Germany and Austria blow your common-or-garden-variety Christmas trees out of the water.
Of course they also tend to burn down a lot of homes because candles are a leading component (or were back in the dark ages when I was over there).
The Mang does more than Milton can
To justify God's ways to man.
Ever seen russian christmas trees / decorations?
f’n awesome.
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
Regrettably, no
Russia was sort of out of bounds in my day.
The Mang does more than Milton can
To justify God's ways to man.
Haha
I’ll dig out some pics i got from when i went last year…
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
thought i'd just link to the pics rather than wreck everyones VEB with massive images.
1st is view from hotel room; big lit up thing in front of arch is a christmas tree, one of many, many trees in Moscow.
2nd is the department store in Red Square; most buildings are lit up like this for christmas time
3rd is one of the trees up close.
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
Nah, it's a german thing originally
just like the rest of christmas really.
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
well that makes up for both world wars and the holocaust, I guess.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
I have a Prince Albert.
ok, i’m done.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Papelfuss...
is about to be available… Assuming no one tenders him an offer, it’ll take a 3/21. Open DeWallet!
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
i wouldn't pay $7M a year for that guy
and the sawx shouldn’t pay $6M a year for jenks either.
Fire John Mozeliak & Tony LaRussa! (Good luck in Seattle, Boog!)
Are you kidding?
That’s a GREAT deal for Jenks
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Red Sox - Phillies for the WS
No need to bother with the season.
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
Great was probably hyperbole. It's a bit above average, though
He’s a good bet to put up 1.5-2 WAR
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Compared to what other relievers have gotten..
I think you’re on solid ground with “great”
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
...Yeah! Who do you think you are, robot?!
Making me second-guess my opinions, and stuff!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
eh
I just don’t trust reliever valuation yet. That said, he has been better than I thought. It still looks like a market value deal to me.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
oh wait...
he was already tendered a contract.
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
But you can say "papelboner" more.
that worth like 0.3 WAR
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
There seems to be alot of dick jokes today
and i’ve made none of them. That ain’t right man.
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
do you think Wang is a good idea for the cards?
"as long as it agrees with my argument, yes" vivaelpujols
this is a big IF, but i'd hate to see it..
http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/255171-cubs-seeking-to-build-war-chest-for-pujols
This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers
That is crap journalism at it's best.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
eh...
knowing the Cubs Pujols would snap an elbow ligament 40 games into the contract, they’d be crippled for a decade and the draft pick they send us would turn into Pujols II. Bring it on!
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
if the cards trade albert, it better not be to a division rival.
Fire John Mozeliak & Tony LaRussa! (Good luck in Seattle, Boog!)
He won't be traded to the Cubs. They don't have the pieces to get it done
Now the Rangers…
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
its official
I am back to work effective tonight. No security checks or any of that other crap, I’m finally back to work
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
by gdm426 on Dec 16, 2010 3:39 PM EST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
congrats
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
And I can't wait to hear you first complaints about working!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
considering ill be driving people around
I’m sure ill have a lot to complain about
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
by gdm426 on Dec 16, 2010 4:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
sweet
do you have to have a chauffeur’s license in Ohio?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
not for this
Its just Town Cars, Vans & big SUV’s.
I also interviewed at my old dealership today & that went well & if they offer me a job ill probably take it because its the same schedule whereas this could be & will be all over the map each day. Plus ill be able to make a lot more money selling jeeps & mopars & used cars
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
by gdm426 on Dec 16, 2010 4:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
in MO you have to have one
for hauling a certain number of people IIRC. My bro used to work at the local budweiser distributor and had to have his to haul around a load of big wigs in a van for a few days. They went up to him and told him he had to get his license or lose his job.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
i was told if they were in the city of columbus i'd have to get one
but since they are in the city limits of worthington they do not. we’ll see how it works out. i have to be in at noon for “training” and then they are going to let me lose on some folks tomorrow night. so instead of sitting at home on a friday night i’ll be out & about for the first time in about 10 years. i’m still surprised.
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
i thought i would jump for joy
Or something, but I’m actually sitting here in shock. I’ve been told no so many times I totally expected to get another one today
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
by gdm426 on Dec 16, 2010 4:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
damn
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 16, 2010 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
oh the comforts of normalcy, you burn so good
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
its about time
tonight, huh? Bouncer at a strip club? Sweet!
/im just kidding im very proud of you that instead of laying around and doing nothing you are trying to get out and make it on your own
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
thank you very much
Its been a long bat crap crazy journey, I’m just glad it over
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
by gdm426 on Dec 16, 2010 4:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Hey that's what I'm doing
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
except for the whole
having something living and growing inside of you.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
She has a tapeworm too?!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
You probably should have that checked out.
Brendan Ryan is no longer a St. Louis Cardinal.
Fortunately, Aaron Miles isn't either.
wait a second
is this “pregnancy” just another convenient excuse to get out of VEB Day 2011?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
If you bring your baby,
I’ll buy it a shot of jack. Promise.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
It will be the last thing you do.
Baby is due end of June, so I’m going to go ahead and commit to NOT being at VEB day during June or July.
Babies love jack.
Or maybe breast milk. Dunno, sometimes I get the two mixed up.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
It's good for teething,
and also to knock them out for the night. At least that’s what my parents told me.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
This is solid parenting advice.
I’ll be sure to seek parenting help at VEB.
by spants on Dec 16, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
As well you should.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Except he's right.
/living(90)proof
Brendan Ryan is no longer a St. Louis Cardinal.
Fortunately, Aaron Miles isn't either.
What did you land?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
the personal driver
They said its not chauffer job, its a driver job. Mostly a lot of older rich folks who don’t want to drive themselves around. And picking up corporate type at the air port&taking them to jobs,conferences & hotels. Also driving to cleveland, cincinnatti, detroit, pittsburg& indy
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
by gdm426 on Dec 16, 2010 4:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
sweet
sounds like a good opportunity to rake in the tips.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
and network
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
networking FTW
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 16, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
Ahhh....so it is the "getting hookers and blow gig"
good for you.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
actually it's exactly the opposite
i’m under strict orders to not do anything not on the list i will be given before every trip, and they assured me hookers & blow will never be on the list. if they ask me to stop at McDonald’s i have to clear it with the office, if they ask me to carry an extra passenger i have to call in & clear it. apparently the owner had some problems with stuff he is not comfortable telling me about yet with some politicians in the 80’s, so he has all these rules to follow so the company will not get sued or blamed for anything that happens. he’s said they’ve lost some biz over it but over all they’ve gained more than they’ve lost, so he’s sticking with the rules.
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
sounds like more fun my way.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
probably, but if i want to stay out of trouble i'll follow his rules
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Nah, don't follow the rules
You don’t need the job that badly. Have some fun
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
alright, you convinced me, hookers & blow for everyone!
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
sounds legit
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
by prophetjohn on Dec 16, 2010 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
honestly this was one big thing i was worried about, how legit this operation is
and after spending a few hours there i can say it’s very legit
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Too legit to quit?
Brendan Ryan is no longer a St. Louis Cardinal.
Fortunately, Aaron Miles isn't either.
whats the difference
not being rude
just dont know
by jealousblues on Dec 16, 2010 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
i didn't either till he explained it to me today because i asked the same question
i’m just a driver, all i do is drive them from A to B & maybe back to A again. that’s it, no more, no less. i don’t pick up dry cleaning unless it’s on the list, i don’t go to Dairy Queen unless it’s on the list, i don’t do anything but drive. if they want a chauffeur, they will have to go to some place else or hire one of their own.
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Wait a minute....
I’m pretty sure I’ve seen this movie. You’re Jason Statham aren’t you. Tell me damn it.
by WizardofOz1982 on Dec 20, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
shit
awesome
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
you took the words right out of my mouth
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Awesome, congratulations man.
Will you be hanging ’round this dark, dingy corner of the internet alot less from now then?
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
probably my friend, probably
i’m sure VEB will carry on without me
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
he will break the twitter.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
my phone hates VEB Mobile, but twitter it actually likes
so ya, until i get a new one i’ll probably be tweeting a crap ton
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
wonderful news
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
it really is, thank you all, i promise this time it's for real, no take backs
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
fuck school.
fuck tests.
fuck finals.
fuck stupid professors.
fuck not knowing your gpa before you get it.
fuck getting 90’s on things you should be getting 100’s on.
fuck cleaning.
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 16, 2010 4:03 PM EST reply actions
But most of all,
Fuck YOU, fang
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
thanks bud.
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 16, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
breathe in this paper bag here
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
Do you want to go ahead.....
And fuck the Cardinals for trading Ryan?
Seems to be what all the cool kids are doing.
oh stfu
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
by d-dee on Dec 16, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I mean, it's a bad trade, no matter how you spin it
But I don’t just don’t have it in me to care that much
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
then wtf else are you going to do an extra two weeks in that apartment of yours to kill time?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
With no friends still in LA!
Um… I’m playing Madden right now?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
does your girlfriend live with her parents?
cause if she does, why doesn’t she just come to LA for that time – you have alone time, no missouri weather and there’s always stuff to do in LA..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
Well, we had planned to move into our new apartment on the 19th, and have a lot of friends driving to Springfield to help us out
So she needs to stay there for that.
The plan was initially for her to fly out today, and we’d drive back together and do the move in on the 19th
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
when's the wedding again?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
where?
we could crash it..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
I'm afraid of what Aranathor would do
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
so are the rest of us.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
a preemptive call to homeland security would take care of that issue
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
Dude's British.
Have you ever watched a James Bond movie?
Brendan Ryan is no longer a St. Louis Cardinal.
Fortunately, Aaron Miles isn't either.
it doesn't matter,
he’ll insist on being pat down over and over again at the airport, will never make it across the border
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
GODDAMNIT
Being manhandled by TSA agents… my one weakness!
“oooh officer… i can assure you i’m not concealing ANYTHING down there”
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
so you admit you're not carrying a weapon of mass in your trousers
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
I have talked to a TSA agent about that situation
he was less than amused when one guy demanded the pat down then just smiled at him the whole time
"as long as it agrees with my argument, yes" vivaelpujols
Your only afraid of what might happen if i get to you alone.
Its ok, i know our love is forbidden.
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
naw.
i’m having trouble caring at the moment.
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 16, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
Ryan used to be one of my favorite players
I wanted him to be the starting 2Bman when Kennedy was released and Greene was going to start at SS (I don’t remember many others advocating for Ryan to start back then, nor was he much of a favorite around here),
But after reading all the “defenses” of him recently, I actually don’t like him anymore.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 16, 2010 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
But after reading all the "defenses" of him recently, I actually don’t like him anymore.
Because that’s his fault…
VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009
by redbirdnation8206 on Dec 16, 2010 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
yeah it's a shame
it’s more that i’m sick of hearing about him. i’d normally wish him all the luck, but the better he does, the more you gotta hear about the dude
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
This reads like a much lamer, nerdy, kiddie version
of Ed Norton’s awesome bathroom scene in 25th Hour
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
F
loife? I still have dreams about going to school, and I am 59! I have 3 degrees and still the same paranoia. Welcome to the club!
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Dec 16, 2010 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
This seems like a great signing to me
even with the bidding cost added to the contract.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
about $5MM per year
including the posting fee. i wouldn’t go for it. the japanese players are too risky. entirely unprojectable
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
He's only got to be worth about a win a year for that to work out.
I’d take it.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
it's not a terrible deal
but i think i’d rather have orlando hudson. semms like kaz matsui is a more likely outcome than ichiro
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
Yeah, that looks pretty good
Kinda wish the Cards had gotten in on that and passed on Berkman.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
So just got a hit on my sublease
“How bout one transgender writer that is morally ambiguous and terrific fun?!?
=)
-Phoebe”
Hmmmmm
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
is your roommate staying behind?
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
I have 3 roommates, and they're all staying next semester
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
do they like
moral ambiguity and transgender, uh, ism?
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
I feel like they would not be a fan, no
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
so it's a done deal then?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I mean, they had no problem living with you.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
wait if you have three roommates, why do you have to STAY in L.A.?
can’t they just show the place to a potential sublettor?
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
They've all gone for break
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I've accepted the fact that certain people wanted brendan ryan moved
but they should have waited longer to see how the remainder of the trade market shapes up. I think most if not all people can admit that they should have received more via trade for him. the whole organization should have handled the whole thing better, or whoever was journalist should have been more responsible, because it has reactionary move written all over it. Mozeliak gets a big F on this one.
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 16, 2010 5:43 PM EST reply actions
I think I mostly agree with you
It stinks that personality issues are often more important than on-field issues, but it’s unrealistic to expect said issues not to go into personnel decisions. Furthermore, “clubhouse” stuff doesn’t gel as well with the more statistics-driven baseball analysis that so many of us blog types largely ascribe to. So it’s bothersome for that reason too.
I don’t see why, given that Brendan Ryan wasn’t going to be on the team next year, he had to be traded right now. Why not see if somebody’s starter gets injured and makes them desperate, or something.
I still want an upgrade from Skip. Sorry Skip, nothing personal.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
yeah, it seemed to hasty
cmon, at least get TWO A level prospects. they just wanted to be done with it I guess. it’s like the Pujols contract talks just brushed him off the table onto the seattle mariners. ironically, at second base no less. life is weird.
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 16, 2010 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
and for all his issues
boog wasn’t out in the press about how intolerant some of his team mates are
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
Congratulations all around!
To Sans Pants for her courage in undertaking the future of the species.
To GDM for escaping unemployment.
To Aranathor for achieving piney girth.
To Mr. Ui for having something to look forward to.
To Fang and D-Dee for caring about something passionately.
To everybody else for their good fortune in having so many interesting friends here.
The Mang does more than Milton can
To justify God's ways to man.
by alberich on Dec 16, 2010 5:56 PM EST reply actions 7 recs
And to Alberich for being drunk at this hour!
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
by Aranathor on Dec 16, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Drunk? Not a bit.
Immoderately gleeful.
The Mang does more than Milton can
To justify God's ways to man.
i'm calling shenanigans.
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 16, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
Come on. Of course he knows how clothing works.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
well get workin' on that
slacker.
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 16, 2010 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
frosty in december
that’s crazy enough to work
by YesWeOquendo on Dec 16, 2010 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
(This note is for Josh.)
You’ll want to keep those on hand during June. Trust me.
Brendan Ryan is no longer a St. Louis Cardinal.
Fortunately, Aaron Miles isn't either.
Pic or it didn't happen
lol internet.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Alas, I must request a translation -
my ability to simulate hipness runs up against the brute fact of age.
The Mang does more than Milton can
To justify God's ways to man.
pants or GTFO!
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
Presumably at some point you were not.
Unless this is not merely a blessed event but a Blessed Event.
Though to be sure, Shaw observes that all conceptions are immaculate.
The Mang does more than Milton can
To justify God's ways to man.
this should be rec'd more
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
i feel like i've cheated death
if i get dump trucked by a COTA bus tomorrow i’ll know it just wasn’t meant to be
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Thought that was Waino's gig?
Unless they want to give it to Lohse so he can spend maximum time on the DL
they split "opener" and "home opener" duties last year.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Apparently pregnancy elimantes the use of "google" from people's lives.
But yes, we do.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Dec 16, 2010 6:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
HARSH....
fair, but harsh.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Oh, and speaking of pregnancy and Google...
One of my nightmares was far too detailed to get into it. But one component was that every time I typed something into Google, they drastically altered it and I never found what I was looking for.
I think a dream of minor annoyances like that would piss me off
more than one of me being murdered.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
I was FURIOUS in the dream.
It was immensely frustrating, and I needed to look something up on Google in order to solve my problem.
speaking of dreams
i had a particularly nasty one a few weeks ago. But on the plus side i dreamt about Adam Wainwright recently… i won’t go into it.
I would think so
He’s sort of the Grand Old Man of the rotation; and I suspect Wainwright would be uncomfortable pulling a Harry V on him.
The Mang does more than Milton can
To justify God's ways to man.
If we have a horrible first half?
Do we trade Carp?
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 16, 2010 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
Ten and Five like Albert
Carp would have to agree to a trade and that likely would involve the receiving team picking up his 2012 $15mm option. That might limit his return value.
unless we send money
Your team is incompetently run by baseball equivalent of the captain from the Caine Mutiny -DiscoJer
looking at Allen Craig's and Jon Jay's minor league stats
Craig isn’t THAT much better of a hitter. and Jay has better defense, so the two players are rather similar imo
turn it up to '11
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 16, 2010 6:43 PM EST reply actions
craig is a better power hitter, though, yes?
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
this is kind of way off
Jay in AAA – 755 PAs, .291/.352/.418 – .732, 14 HRs, 55 extra base hits – .127 ISO
Craig in AAA – 871 PAs, .321/.380/.548 – .921, 40 HRs, 93 extra base hits – .229 ISO
he is THAT much better of a hitter… Craig got an extra base hit 10% of the time he came up to the plate in AAA… He had a considerably better average, considerably better on base percentage, and way better slugging percentage
Jay’s defense has to be elite and Craig’s below average for them to be the same value going forward likely (which actually might not be a huge stretch)… still Craig is a way better hitter by minors
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 16, 2010 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
jay isn't an elite defender
he’d struggle to be an average player. craig has, like, a 4 WAR ceiling
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
by prophetjohn on Dec 16, 2010 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
oh i thought he was
i don’t know why… so craig is a pretty good bet to better going forward
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 16, 2010 11:48 PM EST up reply actions
i think so
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
by prophetjohn on Dec 16, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
I was just reading about Cliff Lee on ESPN and his decision to return to Philly
and I still can’t keep wondering whether we even had a chance to sign him. He claims that tooks a large pay cut just to return to Philly where the fans are so great – ha! Anyone ever see a game in Philly? I made the mistake of wearing a Cards jersey there and had beer thrown on me from the upper deck. Back to the point – Lee’s from Little Rock, clearly Cardinals country. STL is the greatest baseball city in the universe. Why the hell weren’t we in the mix?
He's making over $20M AAV, and the Cardinals are trying to extend Albert Pujols.
Why WOULD we be in on Cliff Lee?
Attempt to sign Lee and Pujols...
whoever signs first stays, the other goes elsewhere.
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
Replacing Lohse with Lee is arguably a bigger upgrade...
than replacing Pujols with Berkman and putting Jay/Craig in right.
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
We're the best fans in baseball!
Surely he’d sign for the league min to play here!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Dec 16, 2010 7:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I guess it's envy. But I just hate all the bullshit about how great Philly is.
Those fans are horrible.
by peppermartin on Dec 16, 2010 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
At least the can make a decent steak sandwich
effing saint louis
(best italian sandwiches in the country, though… and don’t sleep on the vietnamese sandwiches)
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
What Vietnamese restaurants do you recommend?
I’ve been to Mai Lee a few times. I know I need to go to Pho Grand at some point. I know there are a lot of others in that area too, but don’t really know which ones stand out.
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 16, 2010 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
They named the restaurant after a huge massacre?
I would never eat there.
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
who even knows what Mai Lee means
maybe you do
but for all I know that could be like Smith or Main Street or something
lol
by jealousblues on Dec 17, 2010 3:14 AM EST up reply actions
My favorite place is Phuc Loi
which is essentially a fat food place on Gravois. Not fancy at all (in a mini-strip mall next, i believe, a check cashing place and a laundromat) but incredibly cheap and really, really damn good.
Pho Grand kicks ass… but isn’t it thai? (and the afghan place across-ish grand from there has great gyros.)
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
fast food, not fat food
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Ok so Phuc Loi
Pho Grand, Onesto, Good Pie. Got a lot of work to do.
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 16, 2010 9:41 PM EST up reply actions
I've had Pho Grand... It's delicious
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
ok, that just made destination #1
for when i get back to St. Louis for winter break. Nice suggestion.
THEY ARE THE BEST EVER. FROM ANYWHERE.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
I haven't been there in a long while
But I need to go back!
When I want Mexican food now, I usually go to Pueblo Nuevo. It’s good (especially the chilaquiles), but it’s mostly my choice now just out of routine. In a rut with the restaurants. In the last 6 months or so, I’d say at least 75% of my choices (non fast food/sports bar division) have been Pueblo Nuevo, Thai Kitchen, Iron Barley, Olympia Ka-Bobs, and Pappy’s. All repeatedly. They’re all good places, but need to start finding new ones and going back to old ones again.
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 16, 2010 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
haha
i knew exactly how to say it, but could not figure out how to put it into words
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 16, 2010 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
i hate people that say the "s"
and some of them are vehement that they’re right
Your team is incompetently run by baseball equivalent of the captain from the Caine Mutiny -DiscoJer
I'M RIGHT DAMNIT!!11
Your team is incompetently run by baseball equivalent of the captain from the Caine Mutiny -DiscoJer
I hate it when people call Versailles, MO
Ver-sales
IT’S SO DUMB
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
i hate how des peres
is pronounced DUH-PAIR…
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 16, 2010 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
well, let's just say
the mispronunciation made me look pretty dumb…
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 16, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
i think that's how it's pronounced
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
by prophetjohn on Dec 16, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
I know. And it shouldn't be.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
fair enough
there are a lot of street names and towns around here that i pronounce wrong by pronouncing right and i wouldn’t change it for anything.
the name of the town i live in, for one
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
by prophetjohn on Dec 17, 2010 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
almost
san marcos. quite close to austin, but i don’t live in austin anymore
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
by prophetjohn on Dec 17, 2010 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
san marcus
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
by prophetjohn on Dec 17, 2010 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
how 'bout Cairo, Illinois
Cay-row.
ffs
Your team is incompetently run by baseball equivalent of the captain from the Caine Mutiny -DiscoJer
i laugh every time someone back home says it like that
they all say it like that down there, i don’t know why, but that one doesn’t bug me, it cracks me up
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
I think that's actually how it was meant to be pronounced
when they founded the city. At least, that’s what I was taught this back when we were covering Huck Finn in high school…
Your team is incompetently run by baseball equivalent of the captain from the Caine Mutiny -DiscoJer
did you have a fence painting class too?
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Bah...it's Care-oh.
Also, Vye-en-uh. (Vienna.)
Best abuse of the native language in Texas? Palacios. Pronounced Pa-lash-us. Not the Spanish Pa-lace-eos. This confused me for years, especially because I know a Hispanic guy name Palacios.
Brendan Ryan is no longer a St. Louis Cardinal.
Fortunately, Aaron Miles isn't either.
holy crap, i've been saying it wrong my entire life
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
no, grav-oys, my grandpa told me that's how it was meant to be pronounced
i only recently heard there was a big fuss about how it was pounced
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
obviously, i want to know who told him wrong
he was born in 1912 & died in 1996, was gravois around in the early 20’s?
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Mizurah
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
pretty sure a political member does this
or at least he was campaigning… if you don’t know how to say the state right, why should i vote you in…?
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 17, 2010 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
They all do
unless they’re campaigning in Saint Louis or Kansas City. Honestly, it’s how the rest of the state pronounces it.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
now that drives me up a wall
how in the hell did that start?
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
They do it in Warshington, too.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
My second grade teacher used to say
warsh, and when we were doing a spelling test and she pronounced it that way, I spelled it that way, and she marked me wrong. I complained to my mom, she had a talk with the teacher, and I got it corrected. TG for moms! Spants, this is what you will do for your little one.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 17, 2010 1:50 AM EST up reply actions
But how many of you pronounce
Spoede correctly?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 17, 2010 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
Yes
Like d-dee, if she was neutered.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 17, 2010 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
Yes
I know, but neuter was the only (sort of) synonym for spay that I could think of offhand.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 17, 2010 1:52 AM EST up reply actions
I used to say SPO DEE
just to piss off the locals.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
it's supposed to be pronounced "spoh-eed"
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
by prophetjohn on Dec 17, 2010 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
Umm
no.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 17, 2010 1:54 AM EST up reply actions
its great hearing out of town voice over actors on commercials
and GPS devices attempt Gravois
(they probably say it correctly though)
by jealousblues on Dec 17, 2010 3:18 AM EST up reply actions
Shit that afghan place is awesome
Enter vivaelpujols
My great wit allows me to interject that by assuming the partakers of this conversation are inbedded and perhaps romantically entangled, rather than indeed, the truthful observation that they are both platonic and standing upright. Great comedy may be produced!! -Aranathor
by hazel on Dec 16, 2010 11:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
There's another very good Vietnamese place a few blocks south of Pho,
also on the west side of the street. I don’t remember the name, but it’s this little hole-in-the-wall place. The guy who recommended it told me the people who work at Pho get their Vietnamese take-out from this place, but I have no idea if that’s true. The food was very good, but the owner was this little old man who stood by the table pretty much the whole time we were eating – it was kind of weird.
by BTown Birds fan on Dec 16, 2010 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
Italian sandwiches
Chicago would probably disagree. It’s about the only thing in that town worth going there for.
by WizardofOz1982 on Dec 20, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
Chicago does italian beef
Saint Louis does italian cold cuts.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
I know thy have a bad rep
by my friend, Amanda went to a Cards game in Philly…
and wore her Rolen jersey
had no problems
(that surprised me, I mean a Rolen jersey…)
by jealousblues on Dec 17, 2010 3:11 AM EST up reply actions
Amanda
Is she hot? Conundrum solved if so.
by WizardofOz1982 on Dec 20, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
i tried to read through all this, i really did.
there’s too many comments. summary??
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Spants is pregnant
Germany started Christmas
GDM got a job
Boog was traded and some can’t let go
Boog was traded and some should hold on
Boog was traded and some can’t let go
Boog was traded and some should hold on
Boog was traded and some can’t let go
Boog was traded and some should hold on
Boog was traded and some can’t let go
Boog was traded and some should hold on
Mystrui might have to sublease to some unsavory subleasors
I may have used subleasor incorrectly
That british guy got a christmas tree.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Dec 16, 2010 7:39 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Aren't there like four brits here?
and how did they come to be fans of the most landlocked team in America?
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
Maybe the same way I became a fan of one of the most parochial of football teams in the UK.
Sometimes you find out a team is associated with beer and you just become a fan.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Dec 16, 2010 7:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Aren't all the teams associated with beer?
I wish there was a brief guide to the teams of EPL for people who don’t have a clue what the rivalries are, the history, etc… Also, can they just name the teams after the town where they play. Of the four major sports in America we have exactly three teams that don’t carry the name of a state or city. In the EPL most don’t. It’s annoying.
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
Just because i quite like waffling about Football...
Current Premier League teams in current rankings:
Manchester Utd:
Rivals: Manchester City, Liverpool
History: have dominated the EPL for the last 20 years, one of the most successful english clubs ever, former home of David Beckham. Also my favourite team.
Most Similar to: Yankees
Arsenal
Rivals: Tottenham Hotspur
History: Storied history of trophies, one of the best teams to watch in the EPL, old yet popular-ish manager, haven’t won much recently though.
Most Similar to: Cardinals
Manchester City
RIvals: Manchester Utd.
History: Lived in shadow of Man Utd for most of their history, recently bought by Dubai Billionaire, team full of Milton Bradley types… although some of them do have talent. Still haven’t actually won a major trophy for about 30 years though
Similar: Cubs
Chelsea
Rivals: Arsenal
History: History of being good but not great, bought their way to sucess in the early 00’s. Still riding high, but less so than during Jose Mouriniho’s tenure as manager.
Similar: Red Sox
Tottenham Hotspur
Rivals: Arsenal
History: Unprecedented sucess in the last two seasons, but lack depth and budget to remain serious conteders for long… or do they?
Similar: Tampa Bay Rays
Bolton
Rivals: Manchester’s City and Utd
History: Often considered one of the most boring teams in the EPL, playing a style of football that was stuck in the 1980’s. Have flourished under new management though.
Similar: Rockies
Stopping here so i don’t get SBN’d
by Aranathor on Dec 16, 2010 8:05 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Oh! Do me!
I’m a magpie fan.
(wait… that’s not a good subject line…..)
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Interesting...
Man City sounds more like the Mets… What team is from London?
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
Almost all of them, essentially.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Sounds similar to Aussie Rules football
where most of the teams are centered around Melbourne.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 17, 2010 12:19 AM EST up reply actions
Tottenham is north london, too, no?
While boltons, man u, and man city are manchester?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
wow. Duh, Al.
brainfart.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
"outside of manchester"
while true, it’s essentially Fenton, MO to Saint Louis
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Which London team is most popular...
among those not living in the shadow of one of the three stadiums.
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
In the states
Chelsea is giving Man U a run for most fans. The Yankees (Man U) and Chelsea (Red Sox) comparison is very apt.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
There are five london teams in the EPL at the moment
the three mentioned plus: Fulham and West Ham. To be fair Craven Cottage (Fulhams stadium) is tiny.
MOAR FOOTBALL
Sunderland
Rivals: Newcastle Utd.
History: Recently graduated from ‘perennial relegation candidates’ to ‘mid-table mediocrity’ which is much safer by much, much more boring. Also, got their collective ass handed to them by Newcastle Utd in the derby early this year, which was humiliating. But, they then beat then-league leaders Chelsea 3-1, which was awesome.
Similar: Athletics (although there isn’t really a good comp.)
Newcastle
Rivals: Sunderland
History: Spent much of the Premier League’s early history trying to be relevant in the least efficient way possible; throwing vast sums of money at the problem. Came back to bite them and they were relegated 2008-09 season. Quickly promoted again. Their owner; Mike Ashley, is easily the most hated owner in the Premier League and recently sacked immensely popular manager Chris Houghton for reasons unknown to man or science.
Similar: Astros
Liverpool
Rivals: Manchester Utd.
History: Best team in English football… then the 90’s came along. Have had limited success, especially in europe but have struggled with consistency. Currently have an extreme ‘stars and scrubs’ squad: Fernando Torres is brilliant and Steven Gerrard is very, very good. But lack overall talent to be a serious threat; also squandered budget on big money-low impact signings in recent years.
Similar: Mets
I'd equate Newcastle more to the Indians
the have more history than the bloody Astros.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Further Footballings
Blackpool
Rivals: No idea
History: Apparently there’s a proffessional football team in Blackpool, who knew? Seriously, these guys were promoted out of nowhere last year and this is the first time they’ve made it into the Premier League. They are punching well above their weight at the moment and have one of the most quotable managers in Football.
Similar: No idea… White Sox? If only for Ozzie Guillen.
West Brom
Rivals: Wolves
History: Demoted in 2008-09 despite playing ‘good football’, quite unpredictable.
Similar: Seattle (i guess, again, no real comparison)
Stoke
Rivals: None, really. But everyone hates them.
History: Recently promoted and have done well to maintain Premier League status, however, they are a very one -dimensional club and don’t ‘play the game the right way’. They exploit right-back Rory Delap’s ability to throw the ball into the opposition box from pretty much anywhere on the pitch using his cybernetic triceps.
Similar: Toronto
Blackburn
Rivals; Bolton Wonderers
History: In the mid-nineties the owners spent a ton of cash on big name players in an attempt to win some trophies, they won the Premier League but all the big players left as the club was left quite poor. And have been suffering since. They remain the only club that has won the Premier League and been relegated from it.
Similar: Marlins
I think you meant
Wanderers, not Wonderers.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 17, 2010 1:10 AM EST up reply actions
Their very inquisitive?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I kept looking for a youtube video of a scene
from The Wanderers, where a rival gang leader calls out “Oh, Wanderers” as a taunt, in order to link to it for that comment….only to finally remember that it was from The Warriors…
/best-laid plans
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 17, 2010 1:57 AM EST up reply actions
The relegation thing...
seems like a brilliant innovation we could really use in baseball. When I was in Spain, the fans of the teams at the bottom of table were more into the final few games than anyone.
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
It does make things interesting.
But it means there has to be a single table system. I.e. everybody in each league plays everybody else (i.e. no AL / NL divide) and all teams are ranked in a single table, which stretches from the highest division, the Premier League, La Liga, Serie A etc. To the lowest levels, in England these are; ‘conference’ and non-league divisions. Any team can be promoted or demoted one tier at the end of the season depending on final ranking position.
I'm just trying to imagine the Memphis Redbirds...
advancing to the top division while still playing in Autozone Park. I think it holds 15,000. Is there a transfer of funds from the Chelseas and Man Us to the lesser teams like Blackpool? Is there one TV contract?
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
I'm not sure about anything like Revenue sharing or the luxury tax
the FA (football Association) is quite tight-lipped about stuff like that. There are cash rewards for winning trophies / final table position etc. As well as cash bonuses for promoted teams (and relegated teams… but thats complicated).
But your point about Memphis is just why this would never work in Baseball; there is such a big divide between MLB and MiLB that this would never work. Even in a Buster Olney wet dream.
Are you thinking of
Golden State, New England and the two Carolina teams (hockey and football)? If not the Carolinas, then what’s the third team?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 17, 2010 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
Because they heard we are the Best Fans in Baseball
which they take to mean that we applaud delicately and murmur “Oh, well played” whenever an opponent distinguishes himself.
The Mang does more than Milton can
To justify God's ways to man.
do i really have to link to this fanpost again?!?!
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2010/2/15/1312059/skip-schumaker-and-the-most
also, let it be known that in some point in history VEBers LIKED Skip Schumaker.
those were simpler times
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
Wow, that was a great fanpost! Moving, really.
Sort of reminds me why I now follow Everton F.C. It all started while watching them with my wife’s French grandfather, who happened to live in Colombia, South America. That, and the nearest town to me growing up was in Everton, Missouri.
by peppermartin on Dec 16, 2010 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
Riptide
caught in a riptide – in Brighton. Apologies to Robert Palmer.
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Dec 16, 2010 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
thanks man.
turns out i read the whole thread whilst on this terrible conference call.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
well i skipped over most of the boog discussion.
which i guess was most of the thread.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
People with UIDs between 724.5 and 725.5 are THE BEST
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
oh i skipped that part, too. what is that all about?
i keep thinking IUD
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
um. an iud is something you have inserted to avoid pregnancy
i suppose it could stand for that. i have no idea.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Intrauterine device.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 17, 2010 1:22 AM EST up reply actions
Did VEB manage to walk d-dee back from the ledge today?
because I’ve got bad news.
Apparently Oquendo is starting to bother people in the clubhouse by crinkling his Lays potato chips bag when the rest are deep in prayer. Watch out Weapon, or you’ll get luggage’d!
Just win
Where is everyone?
I’m using my traded MI filter on VEB and there are no comments showing. Did everyone leave for Christmas?
:-)
nah, i was busy talking about football
And we’re trying to put the whole Boog saga to bed before someone jumps off the arch.
2011 MLB.tv premium
for 99.99 if you buy it now – $20 off usual season price, in case anyone is interested
by mattyp on Dec 16, 2010 9:10 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
late enough for me to start the heavy drinking
[charles barkley] terruble day [/charles barkley]
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
In about 6 months, you will consider that late.
Shouldn’t you be in bed trying to store up on sleep?
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
I'm sure she's kid proofed the knives making them harder to get to quickly.
spants, now 10% less stabby!
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
by azruavatar on Dec 16, 2010 9:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
...
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2010/12/16/1879397/the-week-in-st-louis-cardinals-reruns#54628698
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
Ok forget the sleep...
maintain a positive attitude, don’t resort to complaining, and do what you can to make things easier for your husband/BF/partner/babydaddy.
If you need further advice please email me.
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
also, give the baby whisky.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Dec 16, 2010 10:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
sings: "let's make the baby stay up all night . . . . "
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
bourbon, baby's love bourbon
and scotch, but not the good stuff, a good 12yr old one will suffice
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
A young woman outside the mall intentionally threw an elbow at me when walking past me one day.
I loudly said “Fucking bitch” and kept walking. Probably not wise on my part, but these hormones are making me pretty crazy.
I have no idea!
There was lots of space outside. I was throwing something into a trash can, and she veered right at me and elbowed me. It was fucking weird. Then she got into a security car. I think maybe she’d gotten in trouble or something? It was really fucking weird.
I am exhausted.
But I’m not sleeping well and I have a hard time falling asleep. So yeah, it’s probably late enough for whatever.
Oh shit, is that tonight?
What time?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Excellent, just turned to it
…oh wow
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Penn state looked dominant in their semi
whoever advances is gonna have their hands full.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
Yeah, what's with that?
Concussions?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Well that's why I'm wondering why she would wear a helmet
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
beats me
the last time I’ve remember seeing anything like that was that movie with natalie portman, garden state
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
Wow. Just being outclassed
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I've drank a few times with Alex Jupiter
The first time, I walked in to her playing beer pong and I just wondered, “Who the fuck is this AMAZON?!”
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I've got a thing for attractive women
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Not enough room with his mother in there.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
You're lame when you're at home
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
pedro feliz
now officially the worst thing.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
"Superfund site"
That’s an apt way to put it
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 16, 2010 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
The sad thing is...
it’s no contest. The worst hitting shortstop in baseball hit better than Feliz, he played short, and he played short very well. Izturis was waaaay better than Feliz.
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
just found out my grade for my biology final
juuuuust low enough to give me an overall course grade of 89.15%. eighty-five one hundredths of a percent is the difference between a 4.0 and something which i have to use math to figure out
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
I don't think I've gotten a 4.0 in any one semester here
The amount of work I need to put to get an A vs. the amount of work I need to get an A- just isn’t worth it
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
an A is an A- is an A+ is an A around here
and at every school i’ve ever attended
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
by prophetjohn on Dec 16, 2010 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
Are you fucking kidding me?!
An A- is a 3.66667 GPA and an A is a 4.0
But it’s so fucking hard getting a 94% vs a solid 91-92%
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
yeah
i’m familiar with the concept, but i’ve never seen it in practice
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
by prophetjohn on Dec 16, 2010 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
Give it the old college try
Which is, take a quick look and if it looks too hard, say fuck it and order a pizza.
Brendan Ryan is no longer a St. Louis Cardinal.
Fortunately, Aaron Miles isn't either.
by TBender on Dec 16, 2010 10:07 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Favorite thing in volleyball: a block
nothing feels as good as stuffing a hitter
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
Is it that different from wearing UnderArmor?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Fuck UnderArmor.
I bought some of the heavy winter shit three years ago, don’t know what it was supposed to do, but it felt like I was freezing to death.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 16, 2010 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
UnderArmor kind of fucked up with its cold gear
What you’re supposed to do is have one base layer to bring moisture from your body to the top of the shirt, and one thermal layer to keep you warm
UnderArmor tries to combine those two and it just doesn’t work
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
No shit it didn't work.
On top of which it felt like every hair on my body was being plucked at once. I gave it to my nephew, he loves it.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 16, 2010 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
something mysterui would no nothing about.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
for someone to say....
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 16, 2010 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
...TWSS!
Fire John Mozeliak & Tony LaRussa! (Good luck in Seattle, Boog!)
by zoomzoomj88 on Dec 16, 2010 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
/facepalm
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on Dec 16, 2010 10:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i'll just quit that.
b/c that’s the 2nd time today i screwed up.
Fire John Mozeliak & Tony LaRussa! (Good luck in Seattle, Boog!)
by zoomzoomj88 on Dec 16, 2010 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
Half credit.
“in bed” would have worked better, given the OP.
Brendan Ryan is no longer a St. Louis Cardinal.
Fortunately, Aaron Miles isn't either.
yeah, you're getting closer
hang in there
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Congrats spants
I’ve had 4 kids — well, technically my wife has — but I’m a regular fountain of knowledge.
Some suggestions…
Tennis balls.
Birthing ball.
Walking epidural.
Boog would have made that play.
Or if you've never had kids,
completely horrible things to think about.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Guys used to just park themselves...
at the corner pub and wait for word. Now you gotta do stuff.
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
It's an amazing experience
But it also takes some time to get over the experience, if you know what I mean.
Boog would have made that play.
It's actually really cool if you get involved and go with it
By the time our 4th was born, we knew what we were doing. The nurses just left us alone and let us manage things and then the doctor came in and Molina’d the baby.
Boog would have made that play.
Don't walk by the watermelon's in the grocery store
It’s best to just not think about these things.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
This is the first time in my life of being on the internet,
that google relieved, rather frightened me.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
The Peoria Blues pick up 2 points
And more importantly, I don’t believe anyone suffered a serious injury today.
Astos zips are out...
it’s fugly… Walrus looking at 98 ops+ though. Seems optimistic.
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
Eh, that sounds about right
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I thought he was supposed to be an obp machine...
he hasn’t shown anything at any level.
Nice one Mo!
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
I totally agree
Especially after seeing how quick other teams were to trade him away
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
and immediately moved off of third.
He was drafted to do exactly what they did with him.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Platoon at 1B with Carlos Lee?
Houston, sigh.
Brendan Ryan is no longer a St. Louis Cardinal.
Fortunately, Aaron Miles isn't either.
He meant to be traded
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Ah, right.
Still Houston, sigh.
Brendan Ryan is no longer a St. Louis Cardinal.
Fortunately, Aaron Miles isn't either.
I wonder if being in four different organizations
within a year fucked with him a little. He was all excited to get trade to the A’s b/c it was close to home… that was three teams ago.
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
was at the store
and got a six of new belgium 1554. shit is black. usually darker than i go for, but it’s not bad
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
eh, i guess it's not that great either
we’ll see how it is once it warms up a bit
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
by prophetjohn on Dec 16, 2010 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
Haven't had it,
I like most of their beers, but that’s really not my style of beer, so I’d probably pass it over at the store.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I just like the regular old fat tire from New Belgium now
you can get it in 12 packs of cans now too, which is kind of a novelty to have good beer in cans
Their IPA is pretty good.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
why the hell would you want it in a can
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
by prophetjohn on Dec 16, 2010 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
It travels better in a can.
I’d prefer it in a bottle, but when your going hunting, it’s nice to have the option of grabbing a twelve pack of cans that isn’t bud or miller.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
"it's better for when you're using firearms"
the best rationale
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
by prophetjohn on Dec 16, 2010 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
I like it, a solid but unspectacular effort from the fort collins crew
"as long as it agrees with my argument, yes" vivaelpujols
USC didn't look so good tonight Rui.
I’ll take Penn State in 4 for the title.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
I know man
Broke seed in the tournament, though? That’s a positive!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
if we're done with boog
time to to wonder if wiggy at 4/yr for 2
was smarter than bman for 1 at 8
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
Please justify why you think that
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
and also your feelings on waffles.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Pancakes are where it's at, man
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
yeah
i forgot about all those recent, consecutive years where ty f. wigginton was one of the elite hitters in the game
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
by prophetjohn on Dec 17, 2010 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
I am missing the story were elite multi positional players make 4mil
"as long as it agrees with my argument, yes" vivaelpujols
there was a comparison to lance berkman
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
i think he said 8 million and 2 years for wiggy
that is really stupid
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 16, 2010 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
i would also like to heap congrats on spants & josh for their little bundle o joy
i know it hasn’t been easy for you all to conceive, so i’m very glad it’s finally happened
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
And I got a legitimate hit on my sublease!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
there's like a lot of good news here today, i don't know if i should be scarred or happy
i’m gonna go out on a limb & be happy, hey what’s the worst that could happen?
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
We're all fucked now.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
naw, the nukes are still in the silos right?
RIGHT????
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
???
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
ABSOLUT AND SPRITE!!!!
VEB LATE NIGHT! Albrtfn is in the house!!1
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
now all we need is our fabulous Britt & it's officially a party
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
WHAT UPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
what's up
i see we’re talking about gdm getting a job, spants having a baby! (yayaya!!!) and you’re gettting a subleaser!
Mysterui, how’s your night been? have you been living it up single style?
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Hell yeah I have!
I watched, like, 4 hours of Paul McCartney in concert on TV and then played Madden for another 4 hours!
Get like me
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
any type of inhibiting substances?
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
No man
My body can’t take drinking anymore… Too much of it recently
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
i don't know who you are anymore
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
i've come to the conclusion that it's much more fun to be sober
and in the presence of veb members that are drunk.
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
than to be drunk in the presence of sober veb members
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
...
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
you ain't got no marbles!
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
I've been drinking for 5 hours now.....
I have plenty of marbles.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
veb'ing with friends in the room is fun too
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
makers?
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
no.....for the most part,
I’m strictly a beer guy.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
i thought you were on makers a couple nights ago
you already know what i’m drinking lol
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
I think that was duct.
I’ve posted this before, but if there’s one thing I’ll brag about, it’s my beer area.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
yes.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Not sure if euphemism
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
that looks like it's in your living room
that’s awesome
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
That was in my apartment, now it's in the kitchen.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
So, my SO's office party is tomorrow night.
She works in a small Dentists office with a total of four employees, including the Dentist.Old boy is too cheap for us all to go to dinner somewhere so we’re having it at our place. Again. Which means we supply the drinks, apps, desert. I was informed that he’s having a Lasagna made. Last year he had prime rib brought in. I like Lasagna, I really do, but I’m thinking of picking up a to go order of prime rib on my way into town and having it for dinner. How much of an asshole am I?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
get a bison prime rib, no one will think you're an asshole if it's bison
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
No, then I'll just be a pretentious asshole.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
pretentious, but with good taste
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
I find buffalo pretty meh.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
My jaw literally dropped which I watched this dunk
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
i can do that
i’m really disappointed in VEB, you all never found the Lego gun fight video on youtube i asked about a couple days ago
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
that is awesome...
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 17, 2010 12:50 AM EST up reply actions
Did you guys see the parrot clip last night?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
The parrot that sings "Bodies?"
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
yes.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Uhoh, late night VEB
I am scared.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Question: Should I watch the original True Grit right now?
If not, provide alternatives
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
yes.
Haven’t seen it myself, but I would if it was at hand.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
How have you never seen True Grit?
I must admit, I may have some biase against the new just because John Wayne humorous delivery is going to be hard to over-ride.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 17, 2010 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
Alright fuck it I'm opening up a beer
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
About time.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
oh you got your tulip glasses.
what is it?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I think it's the Sam Adams Blackberry Witbier or something
It’s the only bottle we had left in the house
…it’s okay, just way too sweet
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
AND YES WE'RE ROCKING THE DUAL TV SETUP IN OUR APARTMENT
…soon to be single tv setup once I get the hell out of here
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
what kind??
better not by natty ice
then you’d be making your frat boy sterotype come true, except i don’t think frat boys would be veb’ers
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Yeah where did the "mysterui is a fratboy" thing come from?
I’ve never once been to a frat party
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
so what kind of beer?
idk prolly cardball came up with it
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Sam Adams Blackberry Witbier
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
this made me think about you guys
and realize that i need to drink more beer
by YesWeOquendo on Dec 17, 2010 1:16 AM EST up reply actions
<3 La Fin du Monde
<3 Maudite more
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Trois Pistole is my fave of the group, but Maudite is damned good
"as long as it agrees with my argument, yes" vivaelpujols
Oh god so much good beer
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
alright, my pos dell couldn't take it anymore
i made an overflow, please join me
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
WHAT PART OF THERE'S AN OVERFLOW DIDN'T YOU JERKS UNDERSTAND????
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
I hate Billy Beane
but only because he is not my GM, Willingham, and Dejesus for a group of C+/B- crap I am shocked Dan Uggla isn’t in green and gold
"as long as it agrees with my argument, yes" vivaelpujols
Don't the A's have like 30 OF on their roster right now?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
They are all incredibly mediocre though, except for Willingham.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Dejesus is pretty damn good, and Coco Crisp has a shot at real value
"as long as it agrees with my argument, yes" vivaelpujols
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(reloading you Z button scrolls or sometimes just marking everything as read)
It all depends on who posts the link.
When you add a hyper link, there is a box to check for open in new window. If the poster doesn’t click it, your browser will open in the same window. An easy way to bypass this is to click the link with your mouse’s roller button, or right click open in new window.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
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