Brendan Ryan traded to Mariners for Maikel Cleto
by azruavatar on Dec 12, 2010 3:08 PM EST
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I tried to brace everyone this morning but I suspect that will have been to little avail. The reality of the situation was that Brendan Ryan was a decent player. He was an excellent defensive shortstop but he carried a rather anemic bat. While he was earning the league minimum, he was a useful component. This trade has little to do with Brendan Ryan the baseball player and a lot to do with Brendan Ryan the person.
Often quirky and occasionally flighty, Brendan was someone with a much more cavalier attitude than that evinced by the manager and team star. He had public spats with Chris Carpenter and less than subtle talking to's from various persons on the coaching staff. A fan favorite, he simply wasn't a favorite of the coaching staff.
Maikel Cleto is a hard throwing reliever from the Domincan Republic that spent some time in the Arizona Fall League. He spent the majority of last year as a reliever in High-A with mediocre results. For having a power arm that allegedly can touch 100mph, he didn't strike out as many as you'd like to see (83K in 102IP). This has to be interpreted as a scouting move and without the actual scouting reports the Cardinals turned in, I'm left a little baffled.
(Jeff has done the yeoman's work at Future Redbirds digging up video of Cleto.)
The Cardinals have, in essence traded Brendan Ryan and Blake Hawksworth for Ryan Theriot and Maikel Cleto. There's no part of that which screams win or loss to me. As a whole, it looks like a push. This again feeds a narrative of a team against itself though. The Cardinals have traded from a position where they are thin (SS) for a position where they have a great deal of depth (relief pitching). The Cardinals had several more years of Brendan Ryan under team control and they've swapped that for a power arm FAR from the majors.
Again, make no mistake that this was a trade about personality. While I don't think the Cardinals have actually lost much here, this is a bad precedent to set and a misguided way to assemble a team. The Cardinals are now reliant on an equally erratic Tyler Greene to act as depth for a critical position on their ball club.
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TLR win's again
fare thee well Boog. we’ll always have spinning mustaches
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
because tlr for sure
wonder how crappy the padres’ offer was to be below this?
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
Brendan Ryan's value
Is a reliever who throws hard but has trouble getting outs. Awesome. Way to sell low.
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by averagejoe on Dec 12, 2010 3:13 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
(g)
this is so disappointing. now the cards are down two MIFs instead of one, and got an unknown in return. what kind of BS is this? this is what you get for re-signing TLR… and now we’ll have the most serious clubhouse in the bigs.
Mo & TLR, you're an idiot for trading Brendan Ryan. Good luck in Seattle, Boog!
SIGN BENGIE MOLINA.
by zoomzoomj88 on Dec 12, 2010 3:14 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Second That
I wonder if the marionette strings Larussa attached to Mozeliak itch
Sometimes I think LaRussa is sharin his booze stash with Mo...
I expect a countdown clock on the Cardinals
website counting down the days till Miles resigns now. Fuck.
Bob Feller is THE prime example of a cranky old man...working with him a 8:00 AM has to be one of the most dangerous jobs in America.
it was gonna happen whether or not boog was gone.
but now it’s virtually imminent.
Mo & TLR, you're idiots for trading Brendan Ryan. Good luck in Seattle, Boog!
SIGN BENGIE MOLINA.
please please please
let it be Renteria instead of Miles
Sometimes I think LaRussa is sharin his booze stash with Mo...
by white088 on Dec 12, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That's the first thing I thought too
No way TLR let’s MO go to spring training with Tyler Greene as backup MI. Aaron F-ing Miles ends up on this team.
This trade is bad because the value returned for an replacement player SS is horrendous. If Theriot nets a average ML reliever, Ryan gets a A ball minor league pitcher with no control of secondary pitches?
Mo loses at trades and if you keep doing that over and over again, you lose value on your teams.
by creativereason on Dec 12, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
I won't let myself believe that this team will allow Miles to be the backup SS
it will be Greene, or another veteran. Even Mo isn’t stupid enough to put Miles in that key of a role.
If Miles is the primary backup SS this season, I will walk away from the team for this season.
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
Nohing will surprise me.
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
by Dave Pendleton on Dec 12, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
Please
tell me that cooler minds will prevail before the Cardinal fanbase attitude regresses to BleedCubbieBluesque defeatism. Or, maybe I just don’t understand the optimism surrounding a player who has a single season over one WAR, which was largely aided by an uncharacteristically high bapip, on his resume. Was 2009 not the extreme offensive outlier of Boog’s career, and is there any reason to expect enough improvement to offset his inevitable decline in range over the next few seasons?
by deadpullpitcher on Dec 12, 2010 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
2010:
wrist surgery
shortened spring training
a hitting coach who asked him to change his swing every five minutes — you know, the swing that got him to 2009
trapped in an offense where only one guy in the infield produced
’09 is just as much a probable outlier as ’10. I keep saying this — the burden of proof is on constructing a scenario where 2010 is predictive going forward (other than the neck-up, which is nebulous anyway.)
and explain how a decline in range from “in the top ten” to “outstanding” is going to hurt the Cards? that’s good for another couple of years, and those are years when the team is paying him practically nothing.
oh, and don’t you dare call us Bleed Cubbie Blue till you’ve spent a week reading everything they put out. that’s effed up, man. this is nowhere near nihilism.
nihilism was when they signed Aaron Miles.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 12, 2010 11:31 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I have limited information at my disposal,
so my basis for ‘09 being an outlier is due largely to his underwhelming minor league career, punctuated by his .668 OPS as a 25 year old in AAA. Was there a change in his swing in ’09 that I’m unaware of? And if so, can the subsequent changes be used to further evaluate this trade, or just the coaching?
by deadpullpitcher on Dec 13, 2010 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
There are no such things as outliers
In terms of predicting future performance. All relevent data needs to be taken into acount. That Boog was a league average hitter a year before last is highly relevent.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2010 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
So if I understand correctly
his ‘10 OPS of .573 is even more relevant, and ’08 sub .6 OPS is pretty important, too? If that’s the case are we truly looking at a starting ML shortstop? I expected him to bring more back in a trade, but if the tables were turned, who in our system would you be willing to give for a player of his caliber? Samuel?
by deadpullpitcher on Dec 13, 2010 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
2010 is more relevant than 2009 is more relevant than 2008
And so on. If you look at his performance the past three years, he’s been roughly nearly league average player when you include defense.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2010 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
wait, why would there be a change in his swing in 09?
2009 was the first time he got anything resembling regular time at shortstop in the Majors. as soon as he had regular playing time, he broke out offensively. I should also add that he’s been playing injured — as in a chronic injury with pain bad enough to have him cancel batting practice — for most of his adult life.
in other words, that breakout year was done with one arm tied behind his back.
until 2010, when he got surgery to fix the problem, but then was told to change his swing. without a full spring training, this project carried into the season, and affected his batting average, which admittedly he watched a little too closely. you will notice that Skip Schumaker did pretty much the same thing.
also, his value to the team should never have been in offense. ever. his defensive range and metrics were double-digits above the next guy, and making it on historical leaderboards besides. it only came under scrutiny because the rest of the infield (sans Albert) contributed to a yawning gap in the lineup.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 13, 2010 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
I guess my question is
where did this ‘09 breakout come from? If Greene were to post a decent line I’d be more inclined to thiink it’s sustainable because he’s had some degree of offensive success in the past, but that’s just not the case with Boog. And as nebulous as everything above the neck may be, when accompanied by years worth of data I’m inclined to think there are issues that just can’t be fixed. Baseball’s riddled with plenty of toolboxes missing carpenters.
But, as you said, his defense was why he was on the team. Personally, I’d rather Greene get the at bats and time in the field to (hopefully) develop into a quality utility player. I don’t know how much of an impact in RAA the difference between the two would have, so maybe it’s greater than I thought and my analysis is way off.
by deadpullpitcher on Dec 13, 2010 12:35 AM EST up reply actions
well here's the thing
at the end of the 09 season, everyone agreed that he would regress. but 2010 is not that predictive regression because it happened for largely non-repeatable reasons. it’s almost like saying a guy who broke his arm regressed for that reason. we don’t know the answer to that question because we’ve never seen Brendan Ryan pull off a complete sophomore year. everybody is going to have growing pains in their second full year. for whatever reason, Ryan doesn’t get any slack.
and I really don’t think the minor leagues are entirely predictive of what a guy does against big league pitching. as I said — that injury extends to his entire adult life. so that’s affecting your minor league numbers. in 09, for the most part he stayed healthy. and we got to see a better picture of his ceiling. regular playing time seemed to be the key — every time he came back from a minor injury, he had a bumpy few games, then he would lock in. he has to get his timing right. the more they took him out, the more they asked him to make unnecessary adjustments — the worse he got. it wasn’t exactly a difficult correlation.
here’s the problem with the whole neck-up thing — the major leagues are full of those headcases. they continue to play based on their contributions in the field. historically, this has never been a dealbreaker, not unless you make like K-Rod and get arrested in the clubhouse. Brendan Ryan had two bad games defensively. the rest of the time, he was one of the best in the Majors. that does not sound like a toolbox that needed fixing.
(at issue, really, is the coaches and staff have the singular job of putting every player in a position to succeed. so the team succeeds. they clearly figured it out in 09, and it wasn’t the first time they’d had him up. why did they ask him to change what was working?)
and…. Greene… I’m hoping for that too. but he’s had more chances than Ryan to develop into that utility guy, and his clock is running out.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 13, 2010 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
because he has three steps to lose before he becomes David Eckstein out
there, and it isn’t just losing a fan favorite, it is more evidence that the talent evaluation and acquisition of this current administration has more to do with favoritism and emotionalism than it does with accurate player evaluation. The Giants winning the WS only makes me believe the FO will continue down the Floppy, Winn, Feliz, and Miles path of aging vets with declining skills.
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO FUCKKKKKKK
NOT THE FUKCING MARINERS C’MON THOSE DOUCHEBAGS WHA THEY FUCK DAMFKASNDGKLNASGKLASNKLFAGKSHAGKSD:GHSADGO{AHGO{HIPKRBGQJSGNAKLSGJDSNAKGPBSFKLGBAGWG
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 3:19 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
hmmmm who is K?
FAG-K-SHAG
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
but at least boog will be closer to mysterui's mom
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Uhhh you know I'm from Missouri right?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
This just means Tony will have to invest in more Just For Men hair treatment this season
the clubhouse may be more Tony-esque, but the MIF defense is not going to be pretty.
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
How much you want to bet he complains half way through the season about the middle infield defense
in an attempt to bring in more veteran players? Look for us to trade for Omar Vizquel and Luis Castillo at the trading deadline now.
Bob Feller is THE prime example of a cranky old man...working with him a 8:00 AM has to be one of the most dangerous jobs in America.
by mtzxc on Dec 12, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
what a fucking joke.
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 12, 2010 3:23 PM EST reply actions
So dumb so dumb so dumb so dumb so dumb so dumb so dumb so dumb so dumb so dumb
i like heroin - prophetjohn
They really couldn't get any more than Cleto for him...?
by BTown Birds fan on Dec 12, 2010 3:23 PM EST reply actions
haven't you heard?
bullpen is probably our weakest area, especially when it comes to righthanders throwing in the high 90s with command problems!
…oh, wait.
Kick ass in Seattle, Boog.
by tehzachatak on Dec 12, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
the cardinals are so stupid sometimes.
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2010 3:24 PM EST reply actions
Flag'd
for stupidity.
Bob Feller is THE prime example of a cranky old man...working with him a 8:00 AM has to be one of the most dangerous jobs in America.
and my hatred of larussa is now complete
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2010 3:25 PM EST reply actions 16 recs
same here.
hence the ever-changing sig.
Fire John Mozeliak & Tony LaRussa! (Good luck in Seattle, Boog!)
SIGN BENGIE MOLINA.
Mine has been complete for awhile.
Now it runneth over.
Merry Christmas, everybody.
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
by Dave Pendleton on Dec 12, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
good...gooooooooood!!!
claps thrice
Every time Skip adjusts his gloves while batting, I die a little inside. -DJ 12-15-10
at least mysterui will be somewhat happy
Mo & TLR, you're idiots for trading Brendan Ryan. Good luck in Seattle, Boog!
SIGN BENGIE MOLINA.
watch boog hit around .320 wOBA now
and Theriot hit .300 wOBA
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2010 3:26 PM EST reply actions
Aaron Miles is going to be the Crads starting SS by the week after the All-Star game.
Kick ass in Seattle, Boog.
or Greene
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
no, because that might make sense
Kick ass in Seattle, Boog.
by tehzachatak on Dec 12, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
heh
yeah. not eccentric enough
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
or gritty enough.
He has actual talent…something that doesn’t belong in the middle infield.
Bob Feller is THE prime example of a cranky old man...working with him a 8:00 AM has to be one of the most dangerous jobs in America.
ryan on the left coast?
dudes going to shine. no more tlr, no more “business” clubhouse. hes going to play loose and have fun. hes gotta be thrilled.
St. Louis Game Time Fact: Morning links are part of a well-balanced meal.
SBNSTL Writing about the Blues in more than one line is tough.
yeah I'm happy for him
he’s done with the bullshit. although I’m not sure that the Mariners will just hand him the starting role.
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
it's bound to happen.
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 12, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
let's not get crazy here
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 12, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
Atleast we got a good return for him
Guy with a .370 win percentage and a 5.17 ERA career that has only made it to single A.
Two thoughts come up:
1. Did Seattle’s GM think this was a crank call?
2. Did Mo draw a name out of a hat, or just pick the one that sounded the funniest?
Sometimes I think LaRussa is sharin his booze stash with Mo...
at least
mo made a deal with a team that wasnt san diego or cleveland. nice to know he added a new name to his contact list.
St. Louis Game Time Fact: Morning links are part of a well-balanced meal.
SBNSTL Writing about the Blues in more than one line is tough.
Career K:BB rate of 1.86 (yuck)
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
He's not even that young!
He just finished off a 1.89 K:BB season in A+ at the age of 21. Unless this guy scouts incredibly well, he’s a non prospect.
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
I just emailed McNamara about it
I’ll let you know what he says about Cleto
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Or you could just show us a BA scouting report....
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
Snark will get you nowhere, sir
You don’t want the perspective of a guy who’s sole job is to look after Mariners prospects?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Yeah, I'm sure he'll give you a completely open report
So you can post it on the internet.
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
are you questioning Rui's power?
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
Maikel Cleto, rhp, Mariners
Born: May 1, 1989. B-T: R-R. Ht.: 6-3. Wt.: 218. Signed: Dominican Republic, 2006. Signed by: Ramon Pena (Mets).
Cleto has the highest ceiling of the three prospects the Mariners acquired from the Mets in the three-team, 12-player deal at the Winter Meetings that sent J.J. Putz, Sean Green and Jeremy Reed to New York. Managers rated Cleto’s fastball as the best in the low Class A South Atlantic League last year, when he topped out at 100 mph. Unlike many young, hard throwers, he has an idea of where the ball is going. “Anyone who throws 91-98 and a ton of strikes, you have to pay attention,” one scout said. Cleto has a strong body that allowed him to log 141 innings as a teenager in 2008, and Mets officials raved about his work ethic. However, he’s far from a finished product. His slurvy breaking ball and changeup need to get a lot better if he’s going to keep hitters from sitting on his fastball. His delivery can be a little violent at times, too. He’s erratic in terms of results, showing no-hit stuff one day and the inability to get out of the first inning the next. Cleto should start his Mariners career in high Class A.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
That's a little old coming from Dec 2008.
Still scouring the web.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
i didn't see anything in there about the cletones
did we get them too?
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
Well that was unhelpful
“Got your resume Xu. The best trades are ones that help both clubs.
Happy Xmas !!!!"
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
unspoken: "This was not one of those trades!!!!"
by DanUpBaby on Dec 12, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
somewhere in "baseball tact training for executives"
They explained that writing “we just traded an aging piece of low minors effluent for someone else’s league average shortstop” was not a good idea.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Dec 12, 2010 4:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Aren't the best trades the ones where you acquire Joe Nathan and Francisco Liriano for AJ Pierzynski?
Or Grady Sizemore, Brandon Phillips and Cliff Lee for Bartolo Colon?
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 13, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
Valuing a pitcher
There are many ways to value a pitcher but I wouldn’t use his “winning” percentage or his ERA.
Does anyone have K/9, BB/9, and FIP for Cleto?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Dec 12, 2010 3:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
most recently, over 102 innings at high-a
3.9 BB/9
7.3 K/9
he’s also been in A ball for 3 years.
Kick ass in Seattle, Boog.
he's also 21
and has been there since he was 19
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
2009 was effectively a write-off with injury, though
Giving his age and scouting report it sounds like he’s potentially a fringey top-10 candidate prospect for us.
If we’d traded much more than, say, a Jordan Swagerty type for a SS who hit so poorly last year, I don’t think we’d have been too happy. That said I think it’s a solid win for the M’s, because Ryan is clearly undervalued, and at a position of clear need for us.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 13, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
He is also 21 years old.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Dec 12, 2010 3:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
High Desert is notoriously difficult on pitchers
But yeah, the return’s not great
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
You have to neutralize for park
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Not really
FIP only uses K, BB, HR. Park’s don’t really affect the first two; how much of a home run park is his?
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
I actually had a conversation with Chuck Armstrong about this when I was there
He said that he wants to move the team out of High Desert because it skews the stats too much, lowering prospect value and making it more difficult to quantify their performance
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I see no park factors...
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
7.3 amd 3.9 in 102 innings, this year
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
I really hope Boog puts up a 3 WAR season now
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 3:27 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
oh, I'm sure the gob will make sure this happens
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
You do know.....
he could put up a 3 WAR season next year in Seattle, and that doesn’t mean he’d have done the same in STL? And on top of that, you do realize that wouldn’t necessarily be all TLR’s fault, right?
Is there anything that this team does that you don't automatically agree with?
I’m pretty sure that you were known as SoonerFan in a previous life.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I'm pretty sure he is SoonerFan
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
I have very little doubt that he's SoonerFan.
Too stupid and sissy-like to say that you want out.
You make the eyes of a million girls and think you'll make them shout.
by The Continental on Dec 12, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
Hey
I’m already on record as saying I’d love to keep him as the starting SS, with Theriot at 2B, and Skip not on the roster. That isn’t possible though. I’m guessing Skip has negative trade value, and as such, he stays.
I’m also guessing Skip doesn’t rub the vets the wrong way, and doesn’t seem like the type to be late to the ball park, or to forget his glove.
I’ll never understand folks on the board that acknowledge off the field stuff, but then want to totally discount it when it comes to moves like this.
because unless you killed a guy, or got arrested in the clubhouse
on-field results have nothing to do with how much someone or their facebook is liked in the clubhouse.
as much as he’s on the road to recovery, I can’t help thinking Spiezio had to nearly commit vehicular manslaughter to get kicked out entirely. and the team covered for him, several times that season.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Alright
But I don’t see how you can think that Skip has worse trade value than Ryan. Ryan had zero trade after his offensively terrible season last year, and the fact that TLR wants him gone.
And I just don’t think the off field stuff matters, or should matter. This guys are professionals, they should be capable of doing their jobs without getting all pissy about Ryan.
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
I'd say salary is the biggest reason
that Skip has worse trade value. That, and not being really good at anything. Like has been mentioned, if Skip’s babip isn’t high, he is a rather bad player.
At least with Ryan, he’s under team control for a couple of years, for relatively cheap, and he does have his defense to fall back on.
That is all I’ve got.
this is actually in line with one of my conspiracy theories
that Skip was so, so bad …. that for the first time in many an off-season, they needed a different MIF to be on the block. basically, if Skip had been any good, we wouldn’t have this problem.
of course, there’s plenty illogical about that… fundamentally…
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
beside salary though skip doesn't even have an upside
AT ALL
but this trade got no value for us either. if we have to get screwed, we might have as well dumped skip
but oh wait, he tries so hard
this trade is bullshit
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
Now wait one darn-tootin-cotton-pickin minute
Skip Schumaker could easily be worth 2 wins next year. Saying he has ‘no upside’ is a product purely of misplaced anger.
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
he could also be the worst second bagger in MLB
by YesWeOquendo on Dec 12, 2010 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
and boog could easily be a godawful hitter
again.
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
skip could also be an awful hitter
again
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Everything that went wrong in 2010 could go wrong
again
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
actually it's more likely
that it’ll get worse.
I’ll get back to you when I know where Albert Pujols is playing during the apocalypse.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i'm picturing this in your accent.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
if the best possible outcome
is that your player might, possibly, be worth 2 WAR, that pretty much counts as “no upside”.
isn't that Boog's best realistic upside, though, really?
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 13, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
no, that's his median projection
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2010 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
i thought i disagreed with that
but having had another look at his career numbers so far, I think it’s pretty clear he’s an average player over 500-odd PAs. So you’re probably right. I’m not sure he has a lot of upside over that, though – probably 3 WAR or so, with 1 WAR about his likely floor presuming his defense doesn’t fall apart.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 14, 2010 8:53 AM EST up reply actions
I think you are missing my point.....
I’m not saying we’d have to get taken advantage of to trade Skip, I’m saying we’d likely have to either a) take back an equally bad salary dump, or b) send a quality prospect WITH Skip.
We could pay his salary
And Skip’s been a decent hitter over his career. Defense is still undervalued by most teams.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
wait, whose salary? Skip's 2 mill or Ryan's 0.4 mill ?
am confused.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Skip
We could have traded him and paid his salary.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
Can't really imagine a team wanting Skip? Then, too, I can't imagine a team wanting Miles
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
Skip probably has more percieved value than Ryan
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
unless you're the Marlins?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 12, 2010 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
Bronson Arroyo got a 35 million dollar extension
Jayson Werth got a deal so large it made Boras accept on face. The Royals signed Jeff Francouer.
I mean I could list 100 trades/signings over the past 5 years that are batshit. I highly doubt front offices, at least most of them, are any good.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting that the same team seems to want both.
And by interesting I, of course, mean nauseating.
Yup, I hope he completely goes off next year and has a huge season.
Too stupid and sissy-like to say that you want out.
You make the eyes of a million girls and think you'll make them shout.
by The Continental on Dec 12, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
I really hope Theroit puts up a 3 WAR season now.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Well yeah me too
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
I am not too bothered by this trade
RUN AWAY, RUN AWAY
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
so how much better
does the riot have to be with the bat than boog to justify him starting at shortstop?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 12, 2010 3:29 PM EST reply actions
it's hard to say how good Theriot will be at defense
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
Better than the Bill James projected difference in wOBA.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Dec 12, 2010 3:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
a win, probably, at least.
Theriot’s only put up a season with a oWAR of a win or more twice.
Kick ass in Seattle, Boog.
15 runs true talent difference on defense
is about .029 points of wOBA over 600 PA
10 runs = .020 points
I think the difference between the two defensively is more like 10 runs.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
By about .020 points
Which is probably likely. Theriot’s a pretty good player, it’s that Skip is still on this team and starting is ridiculous. That’s the real issue with Ryan being traded. Ryan’s a full win better than Skip, and cheaper, and signed for more years.
So stupid.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
so the real question is how much better skip has to hit to justify being on the team.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 12, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
Let's see
One scenario is Theriot at second and Ryan at short. Let’s say that Ryan is a +10 defender, and Theriot is a +5 defender (average at SS + the positional adjustment). Let’s call Theriot a .320 wOBA, and Ryan a .290 wOBA hitter. Per 600 at bats each, that tandem gives you 4.1 WAR (1.8 for Boog, 2.3 for Theriot).
Now it’s Theriot at short and Skip at second. Let’s say Theriot is an average defender, and Skip is a -10 run defender. Theriot’s WAR goes unchanged. For Skip to be worth 1.8 WAR next year he has to hit for a .340 wOBA.
Given his career .325 wOBA and .299 wOBA last year, that’s unlikely to a high degree. If all players hit like their career average, Skip + Theriot is about a win worse than Boog + Theriot.
And Boog is signed for cheaper and more years.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
The question is,
is Skip worth the pitcher we got back in this deal? I would argue yes, which is beautiful proof that Ryan’s gone because of his moustache instead of his play.
"He's the straw that makes the drink go."
by Thelonious Dunk on Dec 12, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
OT: I think we should sell on Albert
this team needs to get young fast because we are going nowhere otherwise. There’s no talent in our system, our core is going to be on the wrong side of 30 soon.
Fire John Mozeliak
last time I checked Miller and Cox should be pretty damn good
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
Our core is already on the wrong side of 30.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Dec 12, 2010 3:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
when the season starts
Pujols 31
Waino 29
Holiday 31
Carp 36
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
Right
A position player’s peak is usually his age 28 or 29 season. Holliday and Pujols are therefore on the wrong side of 30.
Pitchers peak later, but Carp is getting long in the tooth. Wainwright is the only one not on the wrong side of peak (or, 30).
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Dec 12, 2010 3:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Where are you getting that pitchers peak later?
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
I'm on my phone.
I don’t have it with me. For some reason, I was thinking 31. Do you have it lower?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Dec 12, 2010 3:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I've seen studies that have it as low as 24 years old
But it might be different for pitchers who have been able to avoid the early career injuries.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
I would shoot in the dark
that it’s more volatile with pitchers due to a higher injury risk. I also wonder how they deal with relievers vs. starters. Very easy to see how the parameters could greatly swing studies.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Dec 12, 2010 4:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I also suspect that, given the higher incidence
Of injury for pitchers, the “decline” inherent in the theoretical 100 percent healthy pitcher gets swallowed up by the injury risk.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Dec 12, 2010 4:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Is 28 or 29 really a position player's typical peak?
That’s depressing. I’m not sure where I got this notion (certainly not from any real knowledge of the subject on my part), but I thought it was more like 31-32, but then followed by a faster drop-off than the trajectory up to the peak was.
This is like when I found out the Easter Bunny killed the Tooth Fairy. What a lousy day.
by BTown Birds fan on Dec 12, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well the curve is set in that way but most players do not have an
even curve, rather they have peak years starting around 26 ending around 32 for most some have two peak careers ALA Clemens still others like Randy Johnson or Cliff Lee start their peak much later
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
not to be rude
but the wrong side of 30 is most definitely 38-39 not 31-32…
you aren’t using the phrase right
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 12, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
I always understood the "wrong side of 30" to be 30+
ie the right side of 30 is being younger than 30.
Are you saying left handed people are bad?
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
that is correct
once you get close to this depressing #, you will hear it more often
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
oh well ok i see what you are saying
wow….
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 12, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
those are the same side of 30
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
the other side of 30
would be 12 or 29
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
yeh i got that now
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 12, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
gibby45 & i were talking about that the other day
it could be the best option, because the odds of him signing when he hits the free agent market are virtually slim to none. at least by trading albert, we get something in return. even though i was against the idea.
Fire John Mozeliak & Tony LaRussa! (Good luck in Seattle, Boog!)
SIGN BENGIE MOLINA.
?
Molina is 27, Pujols is 30, Freese is 27, Holliday is 30, Rasmus is 23, Waino is 28, Garcia is 23…..
Plenty of core players are still either in their prime or just about to enter it.
Bob Feller is THE prime example of a cranky old man...working with him a 8:00 AM has to be one of the most dangerous jobs in America.
yeah, I was scratching my head
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
Assuming that APU is still around. Mo seems to be on a low roll.. . .
Having unloaded arguably the best fielding shortstop, can shedding the game’s best hitter be far behind?
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
where we need to go young is at
manager!!
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
this is stupid
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 12, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
I will be pissed if the Cardinals didn't even look into Hudson
and he ends up signing with someone for a good deal
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2010 3:32 PM EST reply actions
Schumaker was never going to be replaced.
Unfortunately, Ryan was targeted by TLR/Mo for replacement. Hudson wasn’t ever going to get a call from the Cards, no matter the objective need for it.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Dec 12, 2010 3:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
offer edgar 2x
the 1m sf offered
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
I hope that their stubbornness will serve them well
but it usually doesn’t work that way in life.
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
the weird part is that it's really hard to tell who they got in return for ryan
the dude could be a starter, a reliever, or not even pan out at all. but at least he can throw hard.
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2010 3:33 PM EST reply actions
Yucky beyond compare.
"He's the straw that makes the drink go."
by Thelonious Dunk on Dec 12, 2010 3:34 PM EST reply actions
Well, that sucks
Very unsatisfying off-season just got even more unsatisfying. I mean really, how many games will Lance Berkmann make it in RF before he goes on the DL?
I give Brad Penny a longer streak of health…
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he/we'll be lucky to get 900 innings from bman
including pinch hits
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
You're missing the point Azru
The Cardinals have, in essence traded Brendan Ryan and Blake Hawksworth for Ryan Theriot and Maikel Cleto. There’s no part of that which screams win or loss to me. As a whole, it looks like a push.
That’s not really how it worked. The Cardinals first trade Hawk and 3 million for Theriot (because he’s more expensive). That’s a decent move. Trading Ryan for Cleto and like 1 million at most is a terrible move.
Ryan was a 2 WAR player making the league minimum. That’s like 9 million in surplus value. Skip Schumaker is a 1 WAR player making 3 million. That’s zero surplus value. And Ryan is going to be on this team longer than Skip.
Annd the Cardinals probably could have gotten more value for Skip because most GM’s are idiots like Mo and probably look at batting average still and devalue defense.
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 3:42 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Ryan would have to be a .300 wOBA true talent offense to be a 2 WAR player
That’s a bit of stretch for me. Still I agree that Ryan for Cleto is a bad move but I think it’s hyperbolic to characterize it as “terrible”. I think it was made for “terrible” reasons.
I also think that it’s part of an ongoing and continued scenario where the Cardinals cut themselves short on the margins. A win here, a win there . . . it adds up. I disagree with the over-arching philosophy much more vehemently than the individual decisions.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
Keep giving away value in bad trades
and you have no value left to trade.
How many trade “wins” does Mo have in his tenure as GM?
by creativereason on Dec 12, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
The Theriot trade is probably a win, but it's minor
I can’ think of a single trade that’s a clear win.
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
If you count themoney
I would say no to the Theriot trade being a win, but let’s say it’s a win. Any others. Any clear winners?
by creativereason on Dec 12, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
In retrospect, the Matt Holliday trade is a win
And given marketplace conditions (aka how prospect-for-veteran trades actually work, not future WAR calculations), I think it’s a win anyways
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
NO THE MATT HOLLIDAY TRADE WAS NOT A WIN BECAUSE YOU CAN'T USE RETROSPECT TO EVALUATE A TRADE IN WHICH THE OBSERVED OUTCOME IS BUT ONE A MILLION POSSIBLE OUTCOMES
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
one in a million
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
HAHAHA
I got that instantly. Excellent. Though I read it on Gizmodo.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
I applied for it
I’m really hoping I get it
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
a googlde chrome netbook?
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
Yeah... they're sending out like 60,000 to beta test
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
People figured out how to track to see if one is coming to you
http://addicted-gamer.com/cr48-tracker/
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
...you mean in the 2 minutes since you've applied?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
i know it's terrible
i’m perfect for it! college student, CS major, deeply integrated in the google experience, spend lots of time online.
where’s my google laptop? =(
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
awesome
There’s one coming to my (fairly unique, I’d imagine) zip
fingers crossed
by brackenthebox on Dec 12, 2010 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
You can call UPS and have them confirm the shipping address if you have the tracking number
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
you can if brett wallace is badly overrated by future wars and matt holliday is underrated.
St. Louis Cardinals -- 2006 World Champions
Yea but the one outcome we can see was a win for us
Thus must be counted as a win for Mo
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
RIP Boog. FIRE TLR NOW
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 12, 2010 7:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You make an investment in a risky startup. Everyone tells you it's a mistake
have to give up some nice assets to make the deal work. But hey, the investment makes you wealthier than you were before. That’s a win, regardless if the other possibilities that could have taken place
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
RIP Boog. FIRE TLR NOW
Thats' not a win in my book, at least in terms of what makes a good GM
To use an extreme example, Cardinals trade Pujols for Carlos Zambrano. A Cub fan throws a bottle on Pujols, he becomes deaf, and retires from baseball after 5 days with the Cubs. Zambrano turns into a Cy Young.
Was it a good trade?
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
no
but it was a win in the end for us…we are arguing over sematics…it can be a bad trade in principle and still be a win for the “offending” team
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
RIP Boog. FIRE TLR NOW
That doesn't mean it's a win for Mo as a GM
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
its his job to make the cardinals better
The holliday trade did just that…even if it is due to luck, as in your hypothetical, its still a win
The confederate army had more guns, men, and a tactical advantage at Gettysburg. Union soldier just happens to stumble on a cigar box containing the South’s battle plans. Rest is history….even though it probably a tactical mistake for the north to engage at gettysburg, they get the win because in the end, it worked out better for them
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
RIP Boog. FIRE TLR NOW
You're arguing that GM's should be evaluated based on how well their trades worked out
So they should, essentially, be judged based on how lucky they are?
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 8:00 PM EST up reply actions
i'm just saying he won that trade
not using it as an assessment tool…but its a win in my book….he may be a shitty GM, but its still a win
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
RIP Boog. FIRE TLR NOW
I dunno, VEP
in this case wasn’t it a bit of scouting/player evaluation case? We pretty much knew what Holliday was, and (as he was a type A) we got, in theory, an extra pick from him too if he left.
The balance of the trade was Wallace and Mortensen (not really counting Pieterson as I guess he turns into nothing much). We were betting that Wallace wasn’t going to be anything other than a below-average 1B, which realistically ain’t worth much, and that Mort was going to be a 5th starter. I’d say, so far, the jury is out on that.
I tend to agree that the trade was a loss, but just because we all thought at the time that Wallace was a good prospect doesn’t mean a) Mo did or b) any other GM did. His walkrate and lack of power from the end of 2008 onwards is concerning. Could be, if anything, we sold high on the guy…
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 13, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
so to get a win you have to make a deal where everyone says the other guy is a moron right off the bat?
by jealousblues on Dec 12, 2010 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
Like the Khalil Greene trade?
Or the Mark Derosa trade?
by creativereason on Dec 12, 2010 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty much everyone, at the time, thought the Greene trade was a win for us.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 13, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
Well
More like “what well reasoned analysis deems a lopsided trade”.
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
No prospect-for-veteran trade is ever deemed good by you, yeah?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Well, no, unless the value of the prospects is less than the value of the veteran
You do realize I’m not just basing my ideas off of nothing, in the prospect for veteran case, I’m basing it off of empirical data.
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
No I know what it's based on
But it’s clearly just the market since EVERY significant trade is like that
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Alright
But clearly the general baseball valuations are often ludicrously wrong.
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
Waino for Drew worked well, but overall the record is not good
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
All trades for pending FAs are debatable in my mind
You could have just signed him as a FA and given up nothing. I would love to see a fanpost in WAR received vs WAR given up on MO’s trades/
by creativereason on Dec 12, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
no you wouldn't
unless you unlimited access to prozac
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
Actually, he doesn't have to be .300 wOBA to be a 2 WAR player
…he just has to hit for a .300 wOBA next year
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
When we're talking about players on paper
it doesn’t make much sense to guess what luck will be involved. VEP is talking about his true talent level when he says he’s a 2 WAR player. I think that’s the high end of his value from any projection system.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
No he wouldn't
A .290 wOBA hitter (against a league average wOBA of .327, basically in between last years and the year before’s) and + 10 defense makes him a 1.8 WAR player. A .300 wOBA makes him a 2.3 WAR player. I’d say a good range for his expected offensive performance is .290 – .300.
I agree with this second part, but just based on surplus value, Boog is about a +9 million dollar player for one year, and Cleto basically has no value. And Boog is still in arb, and it’s gonna get anything. He was a big asset – a cheap league average player and we traded him away for a non-prospect reliever.
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
Alright -- we're quibbling over league average wOBA
I don’t disagree with your assessment persay. I guess I just saw the train coming down the tracks …
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
This is a pretty terrible trade Azru
I mean you should be getting pissed off at this. Maybe ban a TLR apologist or something?
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
so, now the spotlight is on Skip Schumaker imo
he’s the chosen one… what is his highest expected upside?
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2010 3:43 PM EST reply actions
Annoying.
"He's the straw that makes the drink go."
by Thelonious Dunk on Dec 12, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
say he improves on defense and offense
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
But he tries really hard
No seriously, No one cares more than Schumaker. Just ask Dan and Al.
by creativereason on Dec 12, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
we care a lot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1g9PFtSCKw
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
oh, what a great song
I think that really should be the official Skippy song- even has the obligatory grit reference in the chorus- “well it’s a dirty job, but someone’s gotta do it…”
yup!
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2010 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
a full season of not diving into first base?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
There goes my idea of
“Boog’s Practical Jokes and Souvenir Shop” in the future Ballpark Village. ©
Bob Feller is THE prime example of a cranky old man...working with him a 8:00 AM has to be one of the most dangerous jobs in America.
sounds too fun
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
not serious enough for this organization
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
How soon until it's announced that Theriot has taken uniform number 13?
If they haven’t already offered it to him.
Amaury Cazana for RF in 2011 - the legend will never die!
if aaron miles is resigned, and he takes 13...
Fire John Mozeliak & Tony LaRussa! (Good luck in Seattle, Boog!)
SIGN BENGIE MOLINA.
i am mistaken
for some reason, i thought berkman’s # was 13 with the astros, it was 17
damn you people for making more miles noise!
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
I think he is number 3 already
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
From BJ Rains
Brendan Ryan: “I’m excited to go where I’m wanted.”
That’s sad =(
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
+1
which is really too bad, since cards fans loved him and the front office, for whatever reason, hated him. but, you could see him saying something like that, b/c he said he wanted to stay with the cards.
Fire John Mozeliak & Tony LaRussa! (Good luck in Seattle, Boog!)
SIGN BENGIE MOLINA.
I'm not sure "Cards fans"
loved him. In my observations, it seems like the average Cards fan was fairly indifferent on him. Certainly he had massive support here, but I think in general he wasn’t as highly regarded among all fans.
people are gonna miss the plays, whether they've admitted it or not
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
After taking a spin around the Interwebz, I'm seeing a lot of head-scratching
and outright angst over this. Not universal, but a whole awful lot.
Too stupid and sissy-like to say that you want out.
You make the eyes of a million girls and think you'll make them shout.
by The Continental on Dec 12, 2010 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
i can almost say
that “Cardinal Fans” did not like Ryan.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
my dad would probably think most of the people on this site
are total nutbags, and he thinks moving Ryan instead of Skip is a terrible, terrible move. This coming from someone with no advanced sabermetric interests
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
I'm not having the same experiences
I don’t think there is a lot of gnashing of teeth with the majority of general Cards fans. I talked with a few last night, and they definitely sided with Skip on the Ryan vs. Schu discussion. Decided to change the subject. Didn’t matter anyway, we all knew this was coming.
Now I am expecting that I’ll be having conversations with these same folks in June about why the pitching is slipping. Good times!
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 12, 2010 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
my dad hates terrible defense
he remembers what last season was like WITH an elite defensive SS, it’s not gonna get better without Boog
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
I grew up watching Ozzie
And I liked Boog because he reminded me of Ozzie.
by thepainguy on Dec 12, 2010 8:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah
I know I’m hammering a departed horse, but I’m really disappointed that I no longer get to witness elite defense at the most dynamic position.
(Not going to buy MLBtv so I can watch the Mariners)
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Dec 12, 2010 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
Trade article on STLToday.com is more hostile than ever
I think Ryan was pretty well liked everywhere. Good defense is the one thing the Whiteyballers who hate TLR all respect. They are out and vocal
by creativereason on Dec 12, 2010 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
I hope so
I’ve been disappointed in my interactions for the most part.
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 12, 2010 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
when did you meet dad?????????
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
awh
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
I wish there was some way to let him know how wanted he was by the people who pay to watch
as opposed to the people who are payed to watch
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
by TomCat009 on Dec 12, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Lets have a bake sale to buy an add in the PD!
or not…
Bob Feller is THE prime example of a cranky old man...working with him a 8:00 AM has to be one of the most dangerous jobs in America.
I'm very happy for him though.
I think an environment of positive influence, support, and a degree of “wantedness” will really help him excel.
He will always be one of my favorite players. Good luck Boog and please make us proud!
Bob Feller is THE prime example of a cranky old man...working with him a 8:00 AM has to be one of the most dangerous jobs in America.
Putting his locker next to Milton Bradley will surely make him feel welcome!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I can just picture him trying to talk to Ichiro....
in fake Japanese. Hahahahaha.
Bob Feller is THE prime example of a cranky old man...working with him a 8:00 AM has to be one of the most dangerous jobs in America.
by mtzxc on Dec 12, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I don't know, I think Ichiro might speak back in fake Japanese.
The good news is that my two favorite players to watch in baseball are now on the same team.
This is awesome for me
VEB now kind of shares my interest in the Mariners
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
if by interest
you mean hating them for taking our sweet boog, then yes, that.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I've been following the Mariners for 2 years you jerkass
I have lik 800 comments on Lookout Landing.
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
boom
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
Well this comment was unnecessarily abrasive
But hey, it’s VEP, so
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I saw your comment at LL
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
You should fuck.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 13, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That was him being kindly and endearing
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
Lint licker.
Too stupid and sissy-like to say that you want out.
You make the eyes of a million girls and think you'll make them shout.
by The Continental on Dec 12, 2010 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
i still won't watch the mariners or root for them
just… because…. of you
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 12, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
does this move them up to the #5 organization?
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
Yeah it almost makes me want to go to a Mariners game in KC
just to cheer for Boog.
then again, I’d have to watch the Royals play too.
hfs. boog + ichiro
Mind blown
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Dec 12, 2010 4:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
that's going to be awesome
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
Of course.
Who wouldn’t feel like shit after listening to his team talk about him like they did?
Too stupid and sissy-like to say that you want out.
You make the eyes of a million girls and think you'll make them shout.
by The Continental on Dec 12, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
Good night, sweet Boog
And ships of Mariners navigate thee to thy rest.
by BTown Birds fan on Dec 12, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
we shouls send him a good luck card on behalf of veb..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
the quote form tlr in the pd was so typically depressing
ryan had a bad year and opened the door for moving him in favor of theriot
= i don’t like boog personally
he just left out the part where theriot has to improve dramatically to justify his salary
where as boog could just abut tread water and justify his pay (as noted by vep)
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
Who did Skip Schumaker
open the fucking door for?
On a personal level, I want Schumaker to do well too, but he didn’t exactly cut it either. That’s the kind of stuff that drives me nuts.
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 12, 2010 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
The Mariners are a natural fit.
A light hitting, exceptional defender will fit right in with their organization. I’m happy for Ryan, who escapes TLR and moves closer to home. I’m unhappy for the Cardinals, who lose an elite defensive SS due to his personality. How much it affected the clubhouse, we will never know but it’s interesting that it wasn’t a problem after ’09 but grew into one needing to be removed after ’10.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Dec 12, 2010 3:52 PM EST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
I still don't think it was a clubhouse issue with Ryan
more than likely it was just Ryan’s turn this year to be the victim of Tony’s wrath. It happens to at least one player each and every season.
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
and the late pick up
why don’t they just make tlr gm and save some bucks?
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
I blame you guys for not carrying out the Brendan Ryan parade.
Fire John Mozeliak
by purple_haze on Dec 12, 2010 4:00 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
+1
I thought I told you to trim those sideburns!
by martimeryard on Dec 12, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
I suggested it on November 1, VEB.
it’s all on you.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
someone send them an angry letter
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2010 4:02 PM EST reply actions
update Mo's report card
with a big FAIL!
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on Dec 12, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
fire everyone!
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
per rains
Interesting note: Brendan said La Russa invited him up for lunch to talk. Brendan accepted, wants to have closure. Enjoyed and respects TLR.
Fire John Mozeliak & Tony LaRussa! (Good luck in Seattle, Boog!)
SIGN BENGIE MOLINA.
Punch him, Ryan
Or worse yet, trick La Russa into eating a steak.
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
dog-steak
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
by Aranathor on Dec 12, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
overly subtle reference to "ARF"
my apathy for the trade is bleeding through
check out VEB on facebook...just search groups for Viva El Birdos
haha
I thought I told you to trim those sideburns!
by martimeryard on Dec 12, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
i'd really like to hear this conversation
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Dec 12, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
patience. BJ Rains is sure to publish a transcript
regardless of whether it ruins anyone’s rep
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
...
Boog: I had a really good time playing for the Cardinals!! It was really cool starting for such a great team for awhile!!
TLR: I hate you.
Boog: I just hope that I can be a better teammate and player for another team!! I feel sorry that I let you down.
TLR: I hate you.
Boog: All the best and I hope you guys win the WS next year!
TLR: God I fucking hate you so much.
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 5:42 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
andi_k would probably say Brendan has a thing for distant father-figures.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i think your picture of boog is different then actuality
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 12, 2010 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
I was mostly focusing on Tony for this skit
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
pull a few quotes and check
it’s not like there’s a shortage.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
except there wouldnt be any paused b/t any of boogs words
ihadareallygoodtimeplayingforthecardinals!
and it would probably be in all caps
by jealousblues on Dec 12, 2010 9:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
so not only did he kick him off the team
now he wants to poison him too? or does he want to talk him into adopting a kitty on his way out?
seriously though, is this fuckin necessary? they’ll both pretend to like each other and be nice and nothing will change
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
why most we always dismiss
every “good” thing Tony does as a negative?
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
you don't think Tony asking to take him out dinner
to talk stuff over is a good thing?
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
jmo's parents need a fall "end of semester"
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
That's because the alchohol has shattered your nerves
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
No, its because lack of alcohol has made you over-sensitised
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
no, this is an outrage
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
sarcasm?
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 12, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
i care
but not nearly as much as [the majority] of VEB…
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 12, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
So who will be Tony's next whipping boy?
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
Ironicly, I'll say Skip.
I can see him having a horrid start and being put in the doghouse.
Bob Feller is THE prime example of a cranky old man...working with him a 8:00 AM has to be one of the most dangerous jobs in America.
This makes sense
because it apparently didn’t make any sense to anyone before
I thought I told you to trim those sideburns!
by martimeryard on Dec 12, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
yeah no doubt
he’s already there
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Dec 12, 2010 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
Oh my god this is such a good trade for the Mariners
They just a basically free league average short stop for the next 3 years. Why the hell can’t Mo ever make these types of moves?
i like heroin - prophetjohn
Even if they put Boog at 2B
Can you imagine Boog at 2nd and Jack Wilson at short?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
what's more likely
the mariners win the world series or bud selig hears of this trade and proceeds to cancel the season in favor of playing a montage of boog photoshopped into a mariners uniform during every scehduled MLB broadcast, then at the end of six months they award the world series trophy and puerto rico to the mariners?
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
by prophetjohn on Dec 12, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Naw I think it's more likely that Skip raises our team ERA by .3 runs.
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
do the mariners still get the title to puerto rico?
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
also
this means that skip is a -33 runs defender per 1000 innings?
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
Very possible
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
maybe if you think his leg is going to be amputated
and they’ll still put him out there. i think he’s more likely to be a -10 defender
that would raise the team ERA by .09
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
Hey well I just said it was more likely than you're sceonarios
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
you got me there
the mariners are probably not going to win the world series
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
The Grinches That Stole Boog.
You’re a dumb one, Mr. Mo.
You really are a clod.
You’re as sharp as wet potatoes,
It’s crumbling, your facade.
Mr. Mo.
You’re an overpaid henchman who should be
running baseball in Riyadh.
You’re a mean one, Mr. Tone.
You really are a heel.
You’re as cuddly as a cactus,
You’re as charming as an eel.
Mr. Tone.
You’re a bad banana
With a greasy black peel.
You’re a dork, Mr. Mo.
Your head’s an empty hole.
Your brain is full of cobwebs,
You’ve got nothing in your soul.
Mr. Mo.
I wouldn’t touch you, with a
thirty-nine-and-a-half foot pole.
You’re a vile one, Mr. Tone.
You have termites in your smile.
You have all the tender sweetness
Of a seasick crocodile.
Mr. Tone.
Given the choice between the two of you
I’d take the seasick crockodile.
You’re a blockhead, Mr. Mo.
You’re a spineless, useless prat.
Your heart is full of unwashed socks
Your back is like a doormat.
Mr. Mo.
The three words that best describe you, are as follows, and I quote:
Cowardly, Craven, Wimp
You’re a rotter, Mr. Tone.
You’re the king of sinful sots.
Your heart’s a dead tomato splotched
With moldy purple spots,
Mr. Tone.
Your soul is an apalling dump heap overflowing
with the most disgraceful assortment of deplorable
rubbish imaginable,
Mangled up in tangled up knots.
You nauseate me, Mr. Mo.
With a nauseaus super-naus.
You’re a crooked jerky jockey
And you drive a crooked hoss.
Mr. Mo.
You’re a three decker saurkraut and toadstool sandwich
With arsenic sauce!
Too stupid and sissy-like to say that you want out.
You make the eyes of a million girls and think you'll make them shout.
by The Continental on Dec 12, 2010 4:23 PM EST reply actions 18 recs
Oh hell yeah
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
by d-dee on Dec 12, 2010 4:25 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
MAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNN
check out VEB on facebook...just search groups for Viva El Birdos
by Dttl89 on Dec 12, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
CHU
I thought I told you to trim those sideburns!
by martimeryard on Dec 12, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
This is the Khalil Greene-Luke Gregerson trade in reverse...
The Mariners are going to be a freak show and Miguel Cleto will be awesome this year once he gets out of California.
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
My word... is that....
optimism? We haven’t seen the likes of that in these parts for generations?
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
No, thats fake troll
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
I'm bummed he's leaving..
but… he did suck at hitting his whole life except when he babiped 40 points above his baseline, he is 30 years old, and he is arbitration eligible. Once the Cardinals got Theriot and Boog stopped being the starting SS, he didn’t look so good earning $1.5 million and being forced to pinch hit in the 11th against John Axelford or whatever that guy’s name is.
Plus I like this Cleto guy. Seems like he has upside…
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
He's literally like
- or #7 among our minor league relievers. Don’t get excited.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
Eff
Why does SBN think that the start of a line “#6” should be interpreted as “1.”? Stupid autoformatting.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
Is there evidence...
that playing in the desert significantly mess with young pitchers? Seems like it’s Coors on steroids and that a young guy like Cleto would be especially prone to let it get in his head, change his approach etc…
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
it's more than that
lazy fly balls do turn into home runs, but also, pop-ups on the infield very often fall for hits, because the wind blows so hard, and so randomly. It’s like watching little-league baseball, with grownups.
OTOH, that should probably HELP his K/9, not hurt it.
How does that depth chart look?
1. Sanchez
2. Reifer
3. Salas
4. Blair
5. Kelly
6. Swagerty
Fire John Mozeliak
I don't think that Cleto is appreciably better than Francisco Samuel.
So, yes, I’d be inclined to think that the guys you’ve listed are better than him (though I like Kelly as a starter).
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
Kelly could pull through as a starter
if he doesn’t tire out at the end of a season. He seems like a max effort guy when he throws.
Fire John Mozeliak
Different skillset there
Perdomo was a low 90s FB/SL pitcher with below average stuff/command. Was never any great shakes (though should have been protected over Matt Scherer)
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
I dunno azru
much as I’m not keen on their prospect evaluation (and that the seattle system isn’t that deep), FG liked him in their top 10 at the start of 2010 (and he had a solid if uninspiring year in an extreme hitter’s park), and the scouting report is intriguing. Other than Sanchez, and possibly Reifer and Swagerty, hard to see any guys in our system with that sort of ability.
He’s a year younger than Joe Kelly and put up similar results at a higher level.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 13, 2010 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
hahahahahaha
this is the greene-gregerson trade all over again, cleto taking greene’s role and boog taking gregerson’s.
Fire John Mozeliak & Tony LaRussa! (Good luck in Seattle, Boog!)
SIGN BENGIE MOLINA.
f'n zoomzoom
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 12, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
except Greene was making $6.5M
and was a really bad defender, who put up about the same offensive season as Boog the year before the trade. So B-R SHOULD have had more value, but we traded more to get greene than we got in return for BR.
Trader Mo, strikes again.
Worst part of this deal for me....
As of right now, who is the middle infield for 2012? Sign Schu again(hope not)? Hope Theriot has a nice season and resign him (he’ll be more expensive if he has a nice year)? Sign 2 other Free Agents (probably gonna be expensive for 2 quality MIFs)? Promote from within (who?)?
Don’t know whose current contracts expire after 2011 season, but for the Cards sake I hope its a good one.
Ugh!!!!
by DisplacedCardsFan on Dec 12, 2010 4:33 PM EST reply actions
Descalso?
Also, Carp’s got an option for 2012. 15mil buys a nice pair of MIFs
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
yeah, you're right.
Hope Descaso will be ready, much easier to get 1 of the 2 MIFs than it will be to get both.
But I have a feeling if Carp is productive this year, he’ll be back on a 2 yr contract. Cards org seems to value him almost as much as Pujols.
by DisplacedCardsFan on Dec 12, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
or
I guess they could pull off a couple of trades, but the minor league system is going to take a major hit for 2 quality MIFs.
by DisplacedCardsFan on Dec 12, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
TYLER FUCKING GREENE
that is all… also i’m not going to worry about replacing less than 2.0 WAR middle infielders after this coming season
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 12, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
Greene and Descalso?
could happen (not if TLR has anything to say about it, but i could happen). Maybe Greene will get enough playing time to see if he can handle the Big Leagues.
by DisplacedCardsFan on Dec 12, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
We've been in this boat for a long time...
the MIF has been a revolving door since Renteria and Vina held things down.
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
Kozma and cox bitches
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
RIP Boog. FIRE TLR NOW
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 12, 2010 7:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Interesting rhetoric
Robot was basically right this morning on the importance/non-importance of Ryan but yet the reaction here is OTT. I get that Ryan was enjoyable to watch. i will miss that. But we didn’t lose anything here.
I also get that the team may have sold low. But let’s assume that Ryan only got 200-300 ABs next year in his backup role and simply turned in the performance he did this year on average. Basically he would be DFA material. VEP is hyper-ventilating about his surplus value, but he never would have gotten that chance here.
So, instead it looks like we got an unproven, but high upside relief pitcher. And no matter what anyone thinks on this board, we won’t know if this turns out well for 1-2 more years.
I hope BR does great in Seattle, he’s one of my favorite players.
Just win
I'm not being paid a bonus if the Cardinals win this year
enjoyability is pretty important when evaluating deals as a fan.
by DanUpBaby on Dec 12, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Especially when the enjoyment and winning are both hurt!
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
to me
and most fans, enjoyability is directly correlated to a team’s ability to win, so i evaluate moves based on their effect on the team’s ability to win. this move had a noticeable, but negligibly detrimental effect on the cardinals’ ability to win in 2011
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
1 win is not negligable
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
Yes it is.
Unless STL finished next season 1 game behind whoever. This move is negligible.
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
No it isn't
1 win historically equals about 10% playoff odds for a 90ish win team like the Cardinals. In other words, 1 out of every 10 times, that one win is the difference between making the playoffs and not. Seems significant to me.
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you do know 1 win has made the difference in making the playoffs many, many times, right?
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
And i'm sure many, many times a playoff berth has been decided by more than 1 win.
in fact, mathematically speaking, i’m fairly certain i’ve got the edge there.
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
by Aranathor on Dec 12, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yes, i'd agree. it still doesn't make the move negligible
it was the wrong move to be made to help the MIF
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
i'm don't disagree neccesarily
i just believe that this fundamentally undermines our ability to compete.
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
i don't think this move is devastating
I just think it’s one more move in a long line of moves that is made to appease the grouchy manager, instead of actually improving the team. Just another reason to have no faith in Mo for the next 3 seasons.
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
by mattyfrommo on Dec 12, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
when your boss says the manager has a job for however long he wants
the gm is in a tough spot
but he knew that going in
and is likely why others didn’t want the job
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
You could use that same logic to argue that 3 wins is negligable
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
Yes i could. But that argument would be much weaker
The last time the NL central was decided by a single solitary win was 2003. before that, 2001 when there was a tie and before that 1994, but there was a strike that season. Even counting 1994 and counting the two other seasons where the divison was decided by 1.5 games. Thats still only 5 times since realignment that one win has been a tipping point. 5 times in 17 seasons equals 29.4%. So yes, one win CAN be significant but there is every chance that the cardinals AS A TEAM recoup that win elsewhere. Also, that is assuming that Ryan will be worth 1 win more than Theriot or whoever is our SS next season. Which is not an assumption which can be made.
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
Faulty logic is faulty
If 30% of the time the playoffs are decided by a win, that’s huge. And if the Cardinals end up losing one more game next year then they otherwise would (the most likely scenario), that’s huge.
And it’s not a question Ryan vs. Theriot, it’s Ryan vs. Skip.
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
I know, after taking the time to actually research things rather than making baseless assumptions
i came to the same conclusion, 1 win CAN be a big thing. I still believe that there is a possibility that a) Boog doesn’t provide that win or b) that win comes from somewhere else within the team.
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
that's results oriented thinking
All we know is that the most likely scenario is that this team will be one worse worse next year with Skip and Theriot instead of Boog and Theriot.
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
I don't see why that is the most likely scenario
Lets assume for the sake of argument that all three players perform exactly the same in 2011 as they did in 2010. Because that is, rationally, the most likely outcome. bWAR (obviously)
Ryan = 0.9 WAR
Theriot = -0.8 WAR
Skip = 0.4 WAR
Skip/Theriot = -0.4 WAR
Boog/Theriot = 0.1 WAR
So, most likely outcome is 0.5 win difference. Which is practically a rounding error.
We don’t know how Skip will hit next year, we don’t know if Freese will stay healthy next year, we don’t know how good Westy will be next year, we don’t know how good Berkman will be next year, we don’t know how good Colby’s defense really is, Yadi might rebound, Jay might actually be a good hitter… any one of these variables and probably some more, will render that 0.5 WAR difference pointless.
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
how is that the most rational outcome?
you know about regression and stuff right?
Fire John Mozeliak
Yes, but assuming that players will improve, for indiscernable reasons, is equally irrational.
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
Gah, you're just wrong
Using career hitting numbers and general expectations of defensive prowess, as I did above (or below, it doesn’t matter it’s somewhere on this thread), shows that Skip + Theriot is likely one win worse next year than Theriot + Ryan. 2010 numbers are not adequate to predict future performance.
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
Ok, say it is a 1 win difference.
I still think that, considering everything else going on with this team, the trade isn’t going to fundamentally alter the 2011 STL Cardinals chances of success. Also, i know we’re now arguing in circles, just wait ‘til october 2011 and we’ll see who, if either of us, is right.
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
My argument is based on future probability
Your argument is based on “lets see what happens”.
We are having completely different arguments here.
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
YOU COWARDS!!!
Show some spine!
This is meant to be a lame joke, by the way.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Dec 12, 2010 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
Tom Petty is very disappointed in both of them.
Brendan Ryan is no longer a St. Louis Cardinal.
Fortunately, Aaron Miles isn't either.
not indiscernible, you just assume that their luck will neutralize
over time, a players batted ball profile develops and shows what percentage of batted balls will become hits. So any big differences from this are usually luck-based.
Fire John Mozeliak
sure, whatever, throw away a win. fuck it.
Fire John Mozeliak
by purple_haze on Dec 12, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
negligible is a bad word to use
but if brendan ryan is the difference between the cardinals winning the national league central division or not, then there are bigger problems with the team
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twatter
You know that's not what I'm saying
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
if we miss the playoffs by one win
im coming to your house and kicking you in the nuts
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Your welcome to
but if we make the playoffs by more than one win, i’m kicking you in the ovaries.
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
wasn't talking to you
and i don’t have ovaries, so be my guest to kick them.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
what i'm saying is
86 or 87 wins takes the central. if the cardinals are that close to being an 85-win team, brendan ryan is not the player who will put them over the phillies and into the world series
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twatter
C'mon you have to understand this is faulty logic
Ryan + Theriot projects as about a win better than Skip + Theriot, 1 win historically equals about a 10% difference in playoff odds for a high 80’s, low 90’s win team like the Cardinals project to be next year.
Therefore, our best guess is that this move costs us a 10% chance of making the playoffs. That seems huge to me.
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
you're right
what i’m saying is that if you’re on the borderline of winning this division, your team is still not very good
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twatter
Well I don't think we're on the borderline
If we were on the borderline, one win would be even more important. I think we are maybe a solid 90 win team, and the Reds are a solid 85 win team, so we have a some true talent level cushion.
The 10% odds is for the average 90 win team:
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/5/15/876896/playoff-probability-added
I suspect the average 90 win team has another 85 win team in their division.
10% is ballpark, but I think it’s about right.
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
how would adding boog increase our chances within the playoffs?
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twatter
What am I god?
Run a binomial distribution or something, your’e a math major ain’t cha?
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
minor
and my calculations say: ain’t that much
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twatter
you're forgetting
you’re a prophet
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
in the big scheme of things, no, this Brendan Ryan trade doesn't matter
really, the St. Louis Cardinals don’t matter. We’re all gonna be space dust eventually.
Fire John Mozeliak
by purple_haze on Dec 12, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
okay, purple_haze
all right
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twatter
that's your argument right?
we aren’t THAT much worse than we could be, right? so whatever, doesn’t matter.
Fire John Mozeliak
i mean, Jason Motte is worth what, about a win maybe?
why not just sell him to the traveling circus to free some of the circus animals for TLR?
Fire John Mozeliak
man
you are totally swaying us with your well-reasoned arguments.
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twatter
you do need reasoning
if you’re entering a discussion that is grounded in reasoning. if you want to be taken seriously, that is
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twatter
okay, then throwing away wins is a bad thing because the point of playing a game is winning
Fire John Mozeliak
read the conversation if you're interested
in my argument as to why we shouldn’t be suicidal over losing 1 win.
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twatter
i'm not suicidal
i just generally don’t think a team should sabotage itself for any amount of value
Fire John Mozeliak
I read this as Beastie Boys
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
why is this a thing?
A win is worth like $4.5-5.0M. As in, a 2 win free agent costs $4.5-5.0M more than a 1 win FA. So, having brendan v. Not having Ryan is like signing westbrook v. Signing brian bannister or zack duke. If the club had picked one of the lesser lights than westbrook, we’d be saying that was dumb too.
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by tom s. on Dec 12, 2010 6:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
"this is dumb"
isn’t how i perceive the general reaction
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twatter
Hmmmm
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2010/12/12/1871682/brendan-ryan-traded-to-mariners#54257332
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
the general reaction appears to be
IMA KILL YOU ALL YOU GODDAMNNOGOOD FRONT OFFICE BASTARDS THERE IS A SPECIAL PLACE IN HELL FOR YOU TONYLARUSSA
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
dumb move is not isolated
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 6:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, why not?
Shadows and dust, innit?
BS arguments are BS no matter which side of the argument you fall on.
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
my argument now
is that i’m not going to argue with this this:
We’re all gonna be space dust eventually.
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
So when we wake up one morning and it's a particularly beautiful day,
we’ll know we made it.
I thought I told you to trim those sideburns!
by martimeryard on Dec 12, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
I'd rather watch a fun 85-win team than a schumaker-y 90 win team
I realize that might be the minority opinion, but it’s the one I hold
i completely disagree
since i think 90 wins means the playoffs
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 12, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
If I thought this move would improve the team by 5 wins, I'd be less upset.
I don’t think that. As far as I can tell, this has made the roster worse as well as less fun to watch.
Too stupid and sissy-like to say that you want out.
You make the eyes of a million girls and think you'll make them shout.
by The Continental on Dec 12, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
Except in this case the Ryan team is also the better team
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
absolutely
this makes it easier for me to whine about, but I’d probably whine about it anyway, is what I’m saying.
Can you recall the last trade that made the team more enjoyable to watch?
Maybe Matt Holliday?
I don’t know. The fan part of me (hey, something’s got to dissapate heat) feels like LaRussa sucks any fun or enjoyment out of the game for the team. For everyone who says he’s great at making guys sharp, I bet he makes them miserable.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
Berkman could be fun
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, the berkman signing was interesting/fun
I thought the khalil greene trade might be fun, too. That turned out to be less than accurate.
the Wizard for templeton
oh wait, you all are too young to remember that one, never mind
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by gdm426 on Dec 12, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Larry Walker sure was a fun trade, but that's been a while...
by BTown Birds fan on Dec 12, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
even if I was a bit leery of the trade
Matt Holliday definitely qualifies as fun. I mean one of the best hitters in baseball and he also has a vicious swing and a is chiseled out of stone
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Dec 12, 2010 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
you know what this means, right?
Matt Holliday has no one with whom to do a flying chest-bump.
the tragedy is never-ending, really.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
maybe mo traded him to protect him?
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twatter
so it was really Boras all along?
I knew it! I’m watching you, Greene. I’ve got my eyes on you…
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I was so hoping for Minnesota
Boog deserves a better landing spot.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I'm hoping he and Colby bond over the next 7 years
of roaming the outfield together
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Dec 12, 2010 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
he'll name the next one 'Matt'
I think they have. we just can’t read silent body language.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
yeah but that trade cost us 6 years of cost controlled walrus fun
that guy swings so hard his bat (or space/time) warps. and when he hits it the friction burns the wood on his bat. also, look at his legs!
by YesWeOquendo on Dec 12, 2010 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
Let's take your point
Would you have enjoyed Boog playing sporadically, only on defense and usually in the form of a double-switch that would have the other team walking Pujols with runners on 2nd and 3rd so Boog could ground out weakly to short to ruin another 13th inning rally? Because that’s the Boog you would have seen, not the 2010 version.
Just win
Yes, I'm sure Boog would have gotten zero starts
It’s not like Aaron Miles and Pedro Feliz started like 30 games for us last year.
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't say he wouldn't start
You’re smarter than this — putting aside emotion, wouldn’t you rather see Greene get those starts?
Just win
No, I would rather see Ryan get those starts
And I would rather see Ryan starting at shortstop, Theriot at second and Skip on the bench.
This is not just one isolated move, it’s a move in a whole series of shittastic moves.
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
Shittastic moves
LB is a good signing with huge upside
Westbrook makes good sense when you consider we have no arms to fill in if we have an injury
Theriot is a good deal — you just hate it because it displaced Ryan
Craig will be tried out at 3b — gotta be a good thing in that it indicates TLR’s desire to get his bat in lineup
Bengi Molina will make a great backup catcher
we didn’t trade any of our solid prospects — has to be a good thing
Winn, Miles, Larue, Ryan’s bat, are gone from our bery weak bench replace by Jay, craig, greene,
no silly rule V pickups
Only big downside I see was losing Mather
Just win
lol
it’s all just useless details, we’ll ignore those
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by the way
Joe Mather was out of options and very slowly lost his value in the club.
*on the field. since there seems to be value and value.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Did we sign Bengie?
Anyway, I was talking about the moves having to do with our MIF:
-Trading for Theriot (good)
-Naming him the starter over Boog and not over Skip (shittastic)
-Trading Boog away for a nonprospect (Skiptastic)
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
Yadi hinted that STL has been talking to big bro
it was in Spanish, so it must be true.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
can we call this fallacy
appeal to taco?
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twatter
i'd like that one
but it makes me too hungry.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
actually, Yadi said
Si él decide jugar todos los días, que busque un buen contrato con otro equipo y que juegue, porque sé que puede hacerlo todavía. Pero si piensa en el retiro y quiere estar tranquilo como backup catcher, entonces yo lo quiero conmigo
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 12, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i think my problem with Mo's offseason has been more with the moves he didn't make rather than those he did
no upgrade at middle infield. Uggla went for a song and we couldn’t pull it off. But other than that, all his moves have been fine, if not addressing any of our most important issues.
Fire John Mozeliak
apparently Theriot was the upgrade.
I’m unclear on the whole Hudson thing. where is that now? just a pipe dream?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Theriot is a push with Ryan in all likelyhood
We’re priced out on Hudson, I think
Fire John Mozeliak
does anyone have him?
(sorry, i’ve got other tabs cooking)
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
bman and theriot = ~100% of uggla's salary in 2011
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
DFSASDlglhasdfghlkjasdgf
So many things wrong with this:
I also get that the team may have sold low. But let’s assume that Ryan only got 200-300 ABs next year in his backup role and simply turned in the performance he did this year on average. Basically he would be DFA material. VEP is hyper-ventilating about his surplus value, but he never would have gotten that chance here.
So, instead it looks like we got an unproven, but high upside relief pitcher. And no matter what anyone thinks on this board, we won’t know if this turns out well for 1-2 more years.
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
no kidding
if boog returns to 09 form and this guy turns out to be a dud, then it will be a terrible trade (which it already is)
Fire John Mozeliak & Tony LaRussa! (Good luck in Seattle, Boog!)
SIGN BENGIE MOLINA.
you know it'll happen
I FUCKIN HATE OUR FRONT OFFICE
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
If Boog stays returns to his '10 form
and this guy turns out to be a useful reliever, then this is a good trade.
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Boog's 2010 form is a 1 WAR player
This reliever’s “usefullness” is .5 WAR at best. STill not a good trade.
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 7:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
not in the least bit
as stated, trading from a position of weakness for a position of strength. Not a good trade at all.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
the trade is not a good trade
trading from a position of weakness (middle infield) to a position of strength (right hand relief) is not a good trade.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Oh, yeah I agree
So what’s with the above comment then?
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
trying to stay positive
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Yeah
What exactly are our options beyond this year in SS? I just don’t see them going with Greene. I guess we can hope Theriot fights off aging for a couple more years, and does just well enough to maintain the status quo but not so well as to have to pay him more. Beyond that, I see nothing, and I don’t see the money to really address it in a post-Albert Pujols-deal world.
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 12, 2010 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
i dunno
revisit it next year. Not all moves should end with the position being locked up for years to come.
Besides, we’ll have our first rounder Kozma ready then.
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i know! people really understimate how evil he is
by YesWeOquendo on Dec 12, 2010 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
i've been trying to tell you jerks for years to stop doing that
of course no one ever listens to the crazy old man holding a bottle of bourbon & not wearing pants
jerks
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Fair enough
I just don’t think this organization had an effective infield last year, don’t see where it is any better as of yet this year, and it looks to me to be worse next year. But, fortunately, things can change in a hurry. Hope internal solutions emerge.
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 12, 2010 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
that's a good question
next offseason seems like it could be a real turning point for the org. waino, raz and yadi get big raises (maybe albert too). carp, schu, and franklin will likely come off the books. no commitments or plans for rf, 2b (maybe cox?), ss or 3b.
will freese stick at 3b? can motte/boggs assume closer? will tlr be back?
imho, we’ve had relatively quiet offseasons as of late. i even felt the holliday deal was expected. next winter break things look like they’ll get crazy. the club should look very different than 2010/2011
by YesWeOquendo on Dec 12, 2010 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
If thats the best you can get, why make the trade?
Onobun > Gates
by Carneros on Dec 12, 2010 4:38 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
exactly our thoughts
the cards trade players they shouldn’t, then get jack shit in return. absolutely pathetic.
Fire John Mozeliak & Tony LaRussa! (Good luck in Seattle, Boog!)
SIGN BENGIE MOLINA.
Please explain to the board
your brilliant insight into the Mariners single A prospects so we can evaluate that
Just win
i'm seriously wondering
what the offers Mo turned down were
he did talk about getting value out of ryan less than a week ago, right?
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
my guess
he realized that he wasn’t going to get any value out of boog (classic selling low scenario), but was in a situation where he had to deal him, so he took what he could get
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Or they keep him and...
A- He does OK in Spring Training and he’s considered valuable by the team again.
B- Someone else’s SS goes down in ST and they trade then.
C- He hangs around on the bench and is traded mid-season.
I don’t see why this had to happen Right Now.
Too stupid and sissy-like to say that you want out.
You make the eyes of a million girls and think you'll make them shout.
by The Continental on Dec 12, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
i'm inclined to believe
Because Tony La Russa
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twatter
Agreed.
Which makes Mo pretty spineless.
Too stupid and sissy-like to say that you want out.
You make the eyes of a million girls and think you'll make them shout.
by The Continental on Dec 12, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
that's one possibility
i think you have to understand the dynamics of the front office a lot better than i do to draw that conclusion, though
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Fair enough.
Too stupid and sissy-like to say that you want out.
You make the eyes of a million girls and think you'll make them shout.
by The Continental on Dec 12, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
i think we all need to realize Mo's not in charge
DeWitt & TLR are in charge, MO’s just the middle man/voice box of the org
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
hey man
care to share your source with us on this info?
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look at everything done the last 3 years & tell me otherwise
the only thing MO got over TLR was Duncan being traded. every other move has been a TLR move
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
colby rasmus plays baseball for the st louis cardinals
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twatter
what does TLR stand to gain from not trading him right now?
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DeWitt's not about to trade him right now
not when he has to pay for Albert. but if something else happens he’s gone
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
okay
but you could use that to rationalize every move or non-move that isn’t congruent with TLR thinking. what’s your reasoning that john mozeliak, general manager of the st louis cardinals, does not actually have any power within the organization?
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it's not that i think he doesn't have any power
i just think that whatever influence he has with DeWitt isn’t half the influence TLR has with him. TLR is like the Co GM, if he’s not, what possible explanation can there be for many of the moves made recently? when Walt was let go, it was clear MO was in charge & he had full control of player personnel moves. i don’t know what, but something has changed since 07, there’s no longer a trust in the farm system, players TLR does not like are moved & ones he does like are brought in. it does not matter if the players are good or bad, as long at they are TLR type guys they are here.
so no, i don’t have inside knowledge or a paper trail of proof to show MO is not in charge anymore. all i have is what i see, and what i see is MO has been relegated to little more than the Co GM. hell even Bernie wrote about this last week, did you read that article? it was pretty good
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
he either doesn't have any power, or he is incompetent.
I’m not sure which of these is better, for the org, long term. probably the former, i guess.
i feel bad for him if he really has TLR calling the shots
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
yeah, seems less likely the trade him this offseason
given the payroll and whatnot. If Pujols does sign a Cardinal-contract then I expect sometime during the next 8 years of TLR 1 year contracts we will have a Colby trade.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Dec 12, 2010 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
Right
Except when he’s not.
Luddy and Ryan get traded, blame TLR.
Raz DOESN’T get traded, ignore it.
We sign B. Molina instead of letting Anderson backup Yadi, blame TLR.
We don’t resign Suppan or Miles, and we let Stavi go, ignore it.
Those things are in spite of La Russa not because of him
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
Not it isn't
Colby NOT being traded is something that happened in spite of La Russa.
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
technically, it's something that DIDN'T happen
and there’s a lot of room between “incompetent” and “so incompetent he lights the couch on fire while cooking bratwurst”.
The fact that we didn’t trade a future all star for beans this off-season has nothing to do with the fact that we just pissed away between one and four wins in 2011.
except there are specific quotes and contexts that go along with all of those circumstances.
the minute the evidence looks different, then sure. we’ll say there’s no fire. but it’s just smoke, smoke, smoke, smoke, smoke, and after a couple of years, that might constitute a pattern.
and by the way, Rasmus would never have been on the trading block at all if not for all of that nonsense getting out of the clubhouse.
oh yeah, uh, “re-signing” those guys meant they were signed in the first place. I wouldn’t count that as a win.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
if you can't see what everyone else can, dude i can't help you
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
by gdm426 on Dec 12, 2010 7:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
OK so explain to me why all these bad moves have been made
if TLR isn’t pushing for them?
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Because Mo is a bad GM?
Who is bad at roster construction?
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
i really don't want to believe that
but it certainly is a good possibility
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
uh that last line
don’t count your chickens before they hatch man
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 13, 2010 1:14 AM EST up reply actions
bottom line is
what’s the difference between this deal
and dfa’ing boog in april
answer—we have no chance or recouping any near term value for the boog
a lot of folks would get fired for that kind of asset management
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
the trouble with that
is the team still needed Brendan Ryan. part of the reason there was no fit elsewhere, was because the greatest need was with St. Louis’s groundball-heavy game. he was most valuable with us.
it’s like trying to re-sell custom-made cabinets or something. a medical prosthesis. why even do it? there wouldn’t be any buyers outside of craigslist. but that doesn’t mean they don’t have value.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
That has to be the most brilliantly awkward analogy of the day.
Well done.
Too stupid and sissy-like to say that you want out.
You make the eyes of a million girls and think you'll make them shout.
by The Continental on Dec 12, 2010 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
the trouble was
I was thinking of other custom made things that might be resold as used.
and uh. decided against them. [cough]
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
speaking of prostheses
Flim, there’s a nice selection of C-Legs for sale over on E-bay
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
this
is why I don’t like it, and why I still don’t like the Ludwick thing (from the Padres point of view). why is it so hard to get value out of our players? isn’t this someone’s job? if they have to be traded, why are they being traded when their value is at their lowest? and when there’s still needs to fill in the big club?
are they waiting for Skip to bottom out so they can finally let him go for a low A has-been? plus the steady stream of potential trading chips (no, not major trading chips, I know that) that have been marching out the door for the past couple of years. oh, oops, you’re out of options. it’s like we’re that stereotypical restaurant — you been here two hours, you go now! /lame
the reputation of the Cardinals system among minor leaguers must be legendary. “yeah, we can make deep playoff runs up and down the minors, but keep your bags packed.”
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Was I not clear?
The coaching staff wanted Brendan Ryan gone. This wasn’t about a trade of equal parts; it was about getting rid of someone that wasn’t wanted.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
That is certainly obvoius
and it’s a major organizational problem that these situations always seem to become public and sharply completely undercut the value of our assets. The machinations are so apparent, and just as obviously damaging to the organization.
So TLR...
…Can have a clubhouse of focused automatons who do nothing but play baseball and kiss kittehs. And grimace intensely.
VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009
by redbirdnation8206 on Dec 12, 2010 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
Is it a bad time i finally finished my 2000 word fan post?
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
It could be a precursor to a trade
get something for boog before he’s essentially worthless and buried in the depth chart….Or maybe not…
check out VEB on facebook...just search groups for Viva El Birdos
it's difficult to imagine a scenario
where boog’s value is lower than it is right now. might have been prudent to try and let him rebuild his value over the season and trade him at the deadline. ‘course, i don’t know how much value he can recoup in the utility role
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
I think the cardinals are done in the infield this offseason, honestly
schumaker and theriot is what an infield is supposed to look like for tony la russa.
Who backs up third and short?
Tyler Greene and Allen Craig? Somehow I don’t think that will be the opening day reality.
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
We should be happy
assuming no more moves Greene and Craig will be backups at two positions each and will see plenty of playing time
Just win
I'm not happy with those two...
Greene stinks and is a flake; Craig is a quality bench bat but a question mark at third. I wonder if Josh Wilson is available.
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
he refuses to wear anti-perspirant
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
He does...
I can’t stand that guy… he’s a toxic combination of high expectations, erratic defense, strikeouts by the boatload, flaky personality, and Scott Boras. Eff him.
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
I'll be happy when the Cardinals plug the perpetual SS gap
I’m so tired of the stop gaps…
check out VEB on facebook...just search groups for Viva El Birdos
not exactly
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 12, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
still, it looks as if that will happen
unless… the O-Dog?
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
I'll certainly miss the sweet sweet defense and fun
that Ryan brings to the team. Especially while watching Theriot come up just short of groundballs.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Dec 12, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
apparently he's one of their top prospects
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
I read he was outside their top 30
I thought I told you to trim those sideburns!
by martimeryard on Dec 12, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
I read he was their #11 prospect going into the 2010 season
http://sodomojo.com/2010/02/20/mariners-top-20-prospects-11-maikel-cleto/
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
And then he sucked dick
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
I would like having you around even if comments like this were you only contribution
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
I really should really collect all these positive comments
then i can wheel them out when the powers that VEB try to ban me for one too many drunken rants.
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
Also, that's not exactly a definitive source
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
He was 20 according to Sickels
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Griffin Cooper is going to kick your ass now...
also, it was High Desert. He held his own….
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
Apparently his fastball is a little straight...
word has it Dennis “El Presidente” Martinez is going teach him his secret “Sinker Ball Pitch”. Success is assured.
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
No way...
he was signed in 2006 and his contract was purchased a few weeks ago. He had another year before being exposed in the rule 5, right?
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
Precisely
Cleto has got an extremely fast fastball yet everybody in the lower minors can hit. He’s one of those guys who can throw hard but throws it straight. He’s also been injured as well and not to mention he lacks a secondary offering. He is young though and might turn into a useful reliever but Brendan Ryan is still the more valuable player.
You got slurved!
repeating this whole unsubstantiated Chris Carpenter hate is FESPN at its finest
hey, they had Burwell on this morning, so they must be legit. yes, let’s hint that our co-ace got the shortstop fired.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
they're passing out valium over there
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
Lookout Landing is pretty pumped about this.
Enjoy him, guys.
Remember to feed and water daily. He likes to take long walks, but you have to make him heel or he’ll drag you along.
Too stupid and sissy-like to say that you want out.
You make the eyes of a million girls and think you'll make them shout.
by The Continental on Dec 12, 2010 5:17 PM EST reply actions
To be fair, like half of that is VEP and I
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
It looked like the regulars there liked the deal too.
You guys waving the Boog Banner may well have helped.
Too stupid and sissy-like to say that you want out.
You make the eyes of a million girls and think you'll make them shout.
by The Continental on Dec 12, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
link them to the boogtv tag.
they’ll never leave.
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/tags/boogtv
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Let's not forget that Seattle just got done building an "awesome" defensive team
and utterly blowing chunks over the course of the season.
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=12624775
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOG!
i’m surprised we haven’t seen the goat today, in honor/memory of boog.
Fire John Mozeliak & Tony LaRussa! (Good luck in Seattle, Boog!)
SIGN BENGIE MOLINA.
the goat is dead, zoomzoom.
you just had to go and mention it!
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
no goat for one last hurrah?
Fire John Mozeliak & Tony LaRussa! (Good luck in Seattle, Boog!)
SIGN BENGIE MOLINA.
the cubs fans have probably strung it up already.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
blizzard
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2010 5:32 PM EST reply actions
way to send a message to your younger players
that might, god forbid, ever exhibit any kind of a personality
it is so blatantly obvious that we weren’t trading for a relief pitcher, we were trading for brendan-ryan-off-the-team
son of a motherfuckin bitch i am pissed… i actually was starting to hope we might have dodged this
fuuuuuu
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
It's funny because TLR also hates Colby
Who is literally the least personable person I’ve ever met
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Who is literally the least personable person I've ever seen in interviews
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
are there people you've "met" that you've actually only seen on tv?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
facebook is now suing you
they know your mom, so they’ll just contact her
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
several of us meet your mom every night
(you set yourself up for that one)
Fire John Mozeliak & Tony LaRussa! (Good luck in Seattle, Boog!)
SIGN BENGIE MOLINA.
...No I didn't
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
by mysterui on Dec 12, 2010 5:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i'm not sure which is funnier
the stuff about your mom, or times when i can go…
f’in zoomzoom
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
ive met colby
and i agree with this statement. dude is as bland as can be. not that thats a bad thing.
St. Louis Game Time Fact: Morning links are part of a well-balanced meal.
SBNSTL Writing about the Blues in more than one line is tough.
colby must be the next to go, then.
Fire John Mozeliak & Tony LaRussa! (Good luck in Seattle, Boog!)
SIGN BENGIE MOLINA.
if it were up to larussa, he'd be out the door for a couple gritty washed up vets
i bet
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
Colby, I thought I told you to get rid of those sideburns!
by jealousblues on Dec 12, 2010 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
oh yes, that reminds me
making it as public as possible was such a pro move.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
they couldn't even trade him to a contender
Minnesota would’ve been perfect (well, not right now)
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
He does not get that from his mother.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Dec 12, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
can we sign bengie molina for $1MM now
so that the collective mood can swing back the other way?
remember when lance berkman was signed? that was fun, guys,right? RIGHT?
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
by prophetjohn on Dec 12, 2010 5:39 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
that was not fun.
you know how I can tell?
no one made any photoshops within 24 hours.
your estimation of the fun level on VEB is sorely lacking.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
our fun level has departed together with boog
i plan on saying boog would’ve all this season until i get banned
and with our stellar middle infield i bet i’ll be saying that alot
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
It did?
Goddamnit, i’m just going to have to drink more.
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
I think you're on to something...
This trade is merely a ploy by alcohol companies to make us consume more.
You, sir, are brilliant.
Brendan Ryan is no longer a St. Louis Cardinal.
Fortunately, Aaron Miles isn't either.
is THAT what that countdown was for???
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I hate to break it to you
you’re the sole source of fun. been that for about a month.
no pressure.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Hey, be fair.
Rui’s mother has shouldered plenty of the burden.
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
there's only so much one woman can do
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
there's no rimit to what i can do, sweetheart.
REAVE MY SON ARONE
by mysterui's mom on Dec 12, 2010 8:46 PM EST up reply actions 10 recs
I figured someone would make that account
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I wish I'd have thought of it.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Mom! What're you doing on VEB?!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
by mysterui on Dec 12, 2010 8:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And more importantly, why is she typing 'r's instead of 'l's
and why is she calling herself mysterui’s mom unless she you use the name ‘mysterui’ in regular life, and why….
Yoyu know i can’t help but think that someone is pulling your leg here Rui, call it a hunch.
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
I think you're spot on
but what this comment presupposes is, maybe you’re not?
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Dec 12, 2010 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
spot on...
…disregard my comments
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Dec 12, 2010 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
What the hell is going on here
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
don't cross the streams*
you’re mixing quotes from different movies goodsir
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Dec 12, 2010 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
This is so racist
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
Kind of
My mom speaks really shitty English though, so
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I was going to go Motherui
but he who hesitates is lost
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
Awrr, she spheak a rearry shitty engrish
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 9:04 PM EST up reply actions
well that air of offended indignance lasted a long time
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
It wasn't offended, more bemused
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
ahh bemusing racism is so underrated
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
agreed
perhaps it’s a fault of mine, but I feel a little squirmy about that comment,
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Dec 12, 2010 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
yep
i hope people outside of VEB don’t happen across it
by YesWeOquendo on Dec 12, 2010 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
oh great, so now casual racism is off limits
sorry, dave chappele and tracy morgan… you guys no longer have careers.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
tracy morgan is racist?
i thought he was just crazy…
by YesWeOquendo on Dec 12, 2010 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not saying it's off limits
just that I got a little squirmy
carry on
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Dec 12, 2010 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
Wouldn't really call that casual
Its about as funny as VEP’s dick sucking joke (sorry, VEP, 1st thing that came to mind). I hate to get on my high horse, but just because you can push the envelope with some people, it doesn’t mean you should.
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
you only think that because you are limey
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
last time i checked the english were much more progressive and open to new ideas
than the ’mericans.
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
by Aranathor on Dec 12, 2010 9:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
LIMEY PLEASE
No more taxation without representation!!!!!!!!!!!
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Dec 12, 2010 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
KEEP CALM AND CARRY ON
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
You certainly need that with my lifestyle
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
by Aranathor on Dec 12, 2010 10:05 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
see you always take the cue
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
Is this a sex joke or something?
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
Nope, racist.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Dec 12, 2010 10:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I NEED AN ADULT I NEED AN ADULT
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
subthread = massive win.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Dec 13, 2010 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
well our leader has a Nobel Peace Prize and
yours is David Cameron
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
Hahaha, Dave Cameron
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
6th best nation in civilization!
by YesWeOquendo on Dec 12, 2010 9:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I didn't vote for him
And at least we appreciate when we’ve got a good leader
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
does David Cameron go on long winded
rants about how even though yoiu think he was wrong, and that the evidence points to him being wrong, what was really wrong was your understanding of how right he was?
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
Also, POLITICS
Alarms go off in VEB headquarters
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
have you ever been to FanGraphs?
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
I have commented there before
I am one of the few who has entered, and came back to the real world. I am Keanu Reeves.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
well David Cameron is the king of Fangraphs
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
Wrong David Cameron
in my experience David Cameron, Prime Minister, can’t add up to save his life, i’d hate to see what happens if he tries sabermetrics
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
hence the double entendre of
accusing you of living in a country run by a pompous self important windbag…wait a minute
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
And does he suck up to people in high positions of power who think like him?
And flip flop and make contrary arguments just so he can flex his lawyer muscles?
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
He's in a coalition government, so yes.
Brendan Ryan is no longer a St. Louis Cardinal.
Fortunately, Aaron Miles isn't either.
Goddamnit this isn't about David Cameron
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
My dick sucking comment wasn't even a joke
It was just a utterance of an expression so common that it has about a million google results.
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
I know, i know
its not something i would usually take offense to, but… you know, stuff.
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
go watch Louis CK "Chewed Up"
it fixes everything
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
he's a delight
a bit ribald for courting elderly widows/widowers at a picnic, but then sometimes you just have to take the boombox-playing-cassettes-you’ve-recorded -with a Home Alone 2 Talkboy while-sitting-in-front-of-the-television off your shoulder and get a courtin’.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Dec 12, 2010 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
I have no idea what's going on in this comment.
But I think I like it!
by peach concrete on Dec 12, 2010 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
he goes way too far attacking palin
that’s the only thing i’ve really ever disagreed with him about
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
she has that effect on comics
they hate her more than anyone, and she hasn’t even really done anything
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
Except, you know, act like one of the biggest idiots the world has ever seen and sully the face of politics making it the equivelent of talk radio
I mean it wasn’t all her, but seriously? This is the person that has a significant impact on our government?
I assume this will be deleted.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2010 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
what I meant was she was a
governor of a state that has half the population of STL, and in that role never bombed anyone, never started a war, and never drove drunk off a bridge and left someone to die…all things I would think would draw more ire than being perceived as dumb
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
I understand that humor
I don’t quite get the vitriol
"as long as it agrees with my argument, yes" vivaelpujols
that is fair, I just think that
if someone who disagrees with me is dumb it should make me happy.
Unless of course the people who are getting angry don’t think people should disagree with them(looks at VEP)
"as long as it agrees with my argument, yes" vivaelpujols
Oh, it's not about the disagreement.
I disagree with lots of intelligent people all the time. That’s not the issue.
i don't get the hate at all
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
my problem is she is not intelligent
have you seen some of her quotes? – link
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 13, 2010 12:55 AM EST up reply actions
Holy crap I just found out there was a full nailin palin porno
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2010 2:10 AM EST up reply actions
i'm assuming you've watched it then
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 13, 2010 2:26 AM EST up reply actions
just the first 2 minutes
The innuendo is the funny part, the actress is gross.
But the dialogue was terrible, not funny at all. I mean what the hell.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2010 2:30 AM EST up reply actions
of course she says dumb things
all politicians say dumb things, they talk all day a portion of that is going to suck.
The point I was making is that there is a certain portion of the population who only feel good about themselves when they are feeling superior to someone else, Palin has brought some of this on herself, but I would judge the overall reaction to her(from both sides positive and negative) to be not justified
"as long as it agrees with my argument, yes" vivaelpujols
She is not just "all politicians say dumb things dumb"
She is “holy shit, I cannot believe this woman has a very good shot at being our vice president dumb”.
Any person as stupid as she is who puts herself on a national stage and actually might impact public policy is deserving of all the hate she’s getting and more.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2010 3:05 AM EST up reply actions
again if you look up any politician
you will find their fair share of doozies. Shove a mic in someones face, put them on the spot and they will often say stupid things. I understand what you are trying to say, but the whole “she is dumb” hardly holds up since the vitriol was a day 1 response to her. Like I said she is a public figure but I really don’t understand how she draws such an inordinate amount of hate.
"as long as it agrees with my argument, yes" vivaelpujols
She's not worthy of being a high school principle
Much less the vice president of the united states.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2010 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
Look whether you are talking about
Robert Byrd, or Dan Quayle we elect some pretty stupid people to high office in this country.
The thing I don’t understand is why someone who was the vice presidential candidate from a losing ticket 3 years ago attracts so much attention.
"as long as it agrees with my argument, yes" vivaelpujols
Because she is an embarrassment to this country
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2010 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
That's not what this argument is about
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2010 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
when people spend as much time as
they do focusing all of this time and energy on someone who has no influence on public policy, trashing her family, and dissecting every statement she makes in an attempt at playing “Gotcha” they are engaging in the same stupidity they seem to dislike in her.
There is a lot more similarity between Keith Olberman and Sarah Palin than there is between George Will and Sarah Palin.
Populist Demagogues feed off of attention, spewing hatred of them just keeps them in the spotlight they so crave, if you really don’t like someone ignore them they eventually have to go away
"as long as it agrees with my argument, yes" vivaelpujols
I agree with that
But she still deserves the scorn.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 13, 2010 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
thats fine but understand that it gives her
power as well, more power than she would have if she was not a target
"as long as it agrees with my argument, yes" vivaelpujols
Note to Aranathor
don’t watch South Park.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Hhhaaa
there is a difference between a comedy show and directed piss-taking. I’m not that bothered as it doesn’t seem Rui is bothered. Its not exactly something that usually gets my hackles up either.
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
Oh, most other blogs have much worse blights
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
our anticipation for the season
is defeated by things like boog traded, 3B not addressed, and the aaron miles signing being almost imminent now
Fire John Mozeliak & Tony LaRussa! (Good luck in Seattle, Boog!)
SIGN BENGIE MOLINA.
but you hate everything
i’m more talking about the collective
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
thanks for the re-assurance.
i’m glad we’re best pals!
Fire John Mozeliak & Tony LaRussa! (Good luck in Seattle, Boog!)
SIGN BENGIE MOLINA.
let's go see hairy potter on fridai~
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
you did that just b/c you know i don't like harry potter.
i’m onto you and your tricks…
Fire John Mozeliak & Tony LaRussa! (Good luck in Seattle, Boog!)
SIGN BENGIE MOLINA.
How does anybody not like Harry Potter
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I'm talking about the books
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
ok then, poorly written, repetitave
later books were written solely to make good movies and don’t get me started on the FUCKING EPILOGUE AT THE END OF THE LAST BOOK. RRRRRRRAAAAAARRRRRGGHHHH
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
the epilogue is a dumpster fire, and books six and seven are so-so at best
but the first five are so good that I don’t really care.
I forgive Rowling her missteps
for creating the world. I love the idea of people moving in and out of paintings and photos so, so much.
by peach concrete on Dec 12, 2010 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
I do not know of what you speak.
But I suspect I would enjoy it!
by peach concrete on Dec 12, 2010 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
but all this time I thought you were princess peach
maybe i shouldn’t picture things on veb
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
surely you're someone's queen
if not, i’m moving to Nashville
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
The last book had an awful ending
And let’s be honest, the hipsters liking Harry Potter ironically are a scourge on the earth.
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
........do we need a pedo bear?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
yes, but for most of the series, neither of you were legal.
maybe you don’t need a pedo bear for yourself….
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Look, thats bordering on offensive
Radcliffe is so f’n ugly that i’d take a sledge hammer to my own face if i ever EVER looked at him in that way.
And if we’re talking about the books, how much younger is that ginger bint than him? Slaaag
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
it's daniel radcliffe on my third-favorite episode of extras
god tier:
patrick stewart
ian mckellan
daniel radcliffe
Oh yeah, i've seen that
its brilliant if only because its so, SO awkward.
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
ohhh alright
I misunderstood your all-caps
also, I am wondering how long you will get away with saying ‘slag’. it reminds me of dear friends.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Fair enough
also; what friends does ‘slag’ remind you of?
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
they use it in a jokingly ironic manner
also, they’re women.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
its used quite a bit over here
for all sorts of stuff. Cockney police for example will say;
‘your nicked you SCHLAAAAG’
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
...
So dear friends, your love is gone
Only tears to dwell upon
I dare not say as the wind must blow
So a love is lost, a love is won
Go to sleep and dream again
Soon your hopes will rise and then
From all this gloom life can start anew
And there’ll be no crying soon
/unnecessarily mopy
Too stupid and sissy-like to say that you want out.
You make the eyes of a million girls and think you'll make them shout.
by The Continental on Dec 12, 2010 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
wat
And if we’re talking about the books, how much younger is that ginger bint than him? Slaaag
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
That Ginny girl
isn’t she like 2-3 years younger than Harry?
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
Oh yeah
I bet they’ve totally done it also.
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 6:16 PM EST up reply actions
stupid fantasy/sci fi stuff
which i can’t stand.
(and i got sick of the books after the 4th one and lost interest)
Fire John Mozeliak & Tony LaRussa! (Good luck in Seattle, Boog!)
SIGN BENGIE MOLINA.
you would....
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 12, 2010 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
i've always wondered
if I were a hater, what would I like
I mean, other than bacon
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
but women like harry potter
/full circle’d
by YesWeOquendo on Dec 12, 2010 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
and no women like GDM
circle blown the f up
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
also for the record i'm not dissing hp or any of his male fans
i am well aware i’m not in it’s target demo & many younger guys are. it’s just not my thing, and there’s nothing wrong with that. it’s an easy joke to make & that’s all i was doing. much like rui’s mom
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
by gdm426 on Dec 12, 2010 7:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
*your
i for one am fine with 3B going into the year as well and think Aaron Miles will not be signed
also, my anticipation is super high for the improvement we stand to gain from our positive regression and acquisitions
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 12, 2010 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
I still don't believe we sign Aaron Miles
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Dec 12, 2010 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
maybe not right this second, but i bet he finishes 2011 in our uniform
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
MIF depth chart:
1. Theriot
2. Schumaker
3. Greene
4. Descalso
5. ??
6. Donovan Solano
7. Albert Pujols
8-14.?
15. Aaron Miles
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Dec 12, 2010 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
I believe #5 is
Tripp Cromer.
Brendan Ryan is no longer a St. Louis Cardinal.
Fortunately, Aaron Miles isn't either.
The skinniest team sport athlete I've ever seen.
VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009
by redbirdnation8206 on Dec 12, 2010 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
Mike MacDougal would like a word with you.
And also, a sandwich.
Brendan Ryan is no longer a St. Louis Cardinal.
Fortunately, Aaron Miles isn't either.
I'm fairly certain i should be in there somewhere
have i never told you about that dream(s) i had where i played for the cardinals?
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
Is that the one with a hammock?
/wait…
Brendan Ryan is no longer a St. Louis Cardinal.
Fortunately, Aaron Miles isn't either.
by TBender on Dec 12, 2010 5:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
ask IHB
or better yet
search for “hammock” on VEB.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Asking IHB right now might be difficult.
Brendan Ryan is no longer a St. Louis Cardinal.
Fortunately, Aaron Miles isn't either.
she lives on the ground floor, right?
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Probably want to send someone to check on her.
mysterui is closest, I think.
Brendan Ryan is no longer a St. Louis Cardinal.
Fortunately, Aaron Miles isn't either.
fortunately she's a good sport about it
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
It takes a special blog to embrace both Berkman and Boog...
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
well, there's no way i'm reading boog and bombs fan fic now
it’s all going to be angsty long-distance.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
let it out, danup
you can write that improbable AU death fic and still get hit counts
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I'm all AU, all the time
“When Tony tries to obliviate Brendan with Joe’s broken wand he ends up obliviating himself instead… AU post-ootp please read/review”
omg is that the one where yadi takes over the team and albert signs a team-friendly contract so he can play quidditch AND do medical wizardry on the side?
that was gr8!!!! llamas r the best!
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
whoa.
….whoa, he really is.
how did I never notice that? that’s crazy.
“I just moved here from Idaho, so I don’t know anybody. …why are you staring at me? All the time? In the middle of the night? Man, I could sure use a soda.”
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Matthew on LookoutLanding is the biggest killjoy I've ever seen
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
you've met him too?
you sure get around
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
his mom gets around too....
/zing
Fire John Mozeliak & Tony LaRussa! (Good luck in Seattle, Boog!)
SIGN BENGIE MOLINA.
by zoomzoomj88 on Dec 12, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i actually think he's not as bad as some of the others
who come next season will be pretending they didn’t say this was a bad move when Boog saves their ass in the infield over and over and over and over again
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
He's better than Dave Cameron
At least he sticks by his beliefs.
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not talking about a writer
I’m talking about as a commenter on that site.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
OT: Bears game is ugly by score, and now become a Mondrian piece
Brendan Ryan is no longer a St. Louis Cardinal.
Fortunately, Aaron Miles isn't either.
ha!
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2010 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
And CBS has switched to a more competitive game
For the children.
Brendan Ryan is no longer a St. Louis Cardinal.
Fortunately, Aaron Miles isn't either.
I am digging how busy VEB is today though
We should let TLR conduct more trades
[/ducks]
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
you should be slapped
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
Oh you'd like that wouldn't you d-dee!
[/needless sexual antagonism]
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOG!!!!!!!!!
avenge!!
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2010 6:20 PM EST reply actions
I spend all damn day tracking for a sock monkey for my kid and come home to this?
What the hell happened? So far, it doesn’t look like we got the better end of this trade.
OT: anyone know a good place on the internets
to buy cheap PC monitors?
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
I usually just try and find a good deal on Slickdeals
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
none on the other side of the atlantic
if you’re really looking for a good deal, you might consider making a day trip to Africa. Apparently, that’s where we send all our old TVs, PCs & monitors so that 8 year olds can burn them down for the precious metals.
by peppermartin on Dec 12, 2010 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
Dude, that's China
the exposes on that are just freaking sad.
Is there a reason that VEB always seems to go quiet around this time?
is 1730 CST the presidents daily communique or something?
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
circadian rhythms
maybe we all need bacon at the same time
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Well... it's Sunday today, so my explanation doesn't work
But people in Missouri get off work about now
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
some people might have spouses that insist they didn't eat dinner in front on the computer?..
just a wild guess
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
coming in 2011: Boog would've moments count....
it's when i normally start cooking
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
watching handegg and drinking a limited edition brew
http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/147/62254
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2010 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
I had a Stone
ruination IPA last weekend. very good.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I loved the write up on the bottle.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Arrogant Bastard is probably my favorite of theirs
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2010 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
Of course it is
Arrogant Bastard is amazing.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
agreed, had some last weekend, it was good
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
smoked porter
at least in a value above replacement mode with positional adjustments. There are a lot of great strong ales, but I haven’t found a porter I like nearly as much.
by brackenthebox on Dec 12, 2010 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
levitation ale is really good too
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2010 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
Stone is the bizzomb
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2010 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
Hopefully this means Renteria is headed back this way
But a more LaRussa-esque approach would be moving “Elvis” to SS
"You may run like Mays, but you hit like sh**."
"Why's he calling me meat? I'm the one driving a Porsche."
by Lankford 4 President on Dec 12, 2010 6:41 PM EST reply actions
So this offseason in review:
We’ve traded a major league average SS and a major league average relief pitcher for a below major league average 2B to play SS and a A ball pitcher who has control problems. We signed a former beast of a slugger coming off the worst year of his career as a mid-upper 30s aged player to play a position he was never good at and has long since outgrown. We’ve also let go of some lefties and signed some more for the bullpen. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREAT.
Westbrook signing = good
Theriot acquistion = bad
Ryan trade = ugly
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2010 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
Berkman also good, but Hudson would have been better
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2010 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
I agree that the Berkman signing
could be good. But, for a team that is built on pitching and defense – we aren’t.
I think they have just scrapped the idea of defense first
since it hasn’t been extremely effective over the last couple years. although, they did start chris duncan in left field for a while, so there’s that
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2010 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
I think the Theriot trade was good
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
yeah, it was more just unnecessary
but I can’t say that I’m mad that Hawksworth is off the team
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2010 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
i'm OK with the trad, his contract i a not, that's f'ing stupid
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
let us know how you really feel
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
last year he was horrible
for his career, a whip under 1.5, an ERA+ of 98, a 1.62 K:BB, sounds pretty average to me.
1:62 K:BB is far below league average for a reliever
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe we should make a deal for Ceasar Iztarus
Berkman=Larry Walker
THEroit=Eckstein
Renteria will = Edgar Renteria
Westbrook hopefully = CC part 2
Bengie Molina = cloning Yadi for use in 7 years as his own back up
"You may run like Mays, but you hit like sh**."
"Why's he calling me meat? I'm the one driving a Porsche."
by Lankford 4 President on Dec 12, 2010 6:51 PM EST reply actions
Maybe deal Tony and Colby Rasmus for Tony Gwynn jr. and Sr.
"You may run like Mays, but you hit like sh**."
"Why's he calling me meat? I'm the one driving a Porsche."
by Lankford 4 President on Dec 12, 2010 6:53 PM EST reply actions
Theriot is not REALLY being considered a day-to-day SS, right?
I’m expecting a return of Renteria in 3….2….1….
do people really think this will happen?
it would be kinda cool if it did, but I will be very surprised
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2010 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
You could do a lot worse than by picking up Edgar for 1MM
and back in the day, he was considered a clubhouse leader.
by peppermartin on Dec 12, 2010 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
Im all for a Renteria return
"You may run like Mays, but you hit like sh**."
"Why's he calling me meat? I'm the one driving a Porsche."
by Lankford 4 President on Dec 12, 2010 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
If hes cheap don't really see the downside
I cant remember how the split between him and the Cards went though
"You may run like Mays, but you hit like sh**."
"Why's he calling me meat? I'm the one driving a Porsche."
by Lankford 4 President on Dec 12, 2010 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
I'd rather have Ryan
and a 2nd base upgrade
"You may run like Mays, but you hit like sh**."
"Why's he calling me meat? I'm the one driving a Porsche."
by Lankford 4 President on Dec 12, 2010 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
But hes off to start a Garage Band now..............
"You may run like Mays, but you hit like sh**."
"Why's he calling me meat? I'm the one driving a Porsche."
by Lankford 4 President on Dec 12, 2010 7:20 PM EST up reply actions
Theriot's not a bad defensive SS
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
what the metrics say?
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2010 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
ok, if he hits well and skip gets better
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2010 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
He's probably a bit below average going forward
He’s older now, and fans seem to think he’s a bad defender.
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
he is known for thurston-esque baserunning, mostly
I guess that is more gritty
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2010 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
oh and you trust what fans say?
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
As a pure scouting barometer to be taken with a grain of salt and compared to objective measures?
Yes
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
you misspelled "as long as it agrees with my argument, yes"
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
by TomCat009 on Dec 12, 2010 7:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, but
Brendan Ryan is an amazing defensive shortstop with a .308 OBP over the past two years. He is entering his age 29 season. He will be making approximately $500,000. He is arb. eligible for years to come.
Theriot is “not a bad defensive shortstop” with a .322 OBP over the past two years. He is entering his age 31 season. He will be making $2.6M. He is only signed for one year.
Is it worth it?
I guess the first hurdle to him coming back
is how the org feels about how he left. If there’s any hard feelings still, then it’s a non-starter.
Too stupid and sissy-like to say that you want out.
You make the eyes of a million girls and think you'll make them shout.
by The Continental on Dec 12, 2010 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
How was his departure I cant remember
"You may run like Mays, but you hit like sh**."
"Why's he calling me meat? I'm the one driving a Porsche."
by Lankford 4 President on Dec 12, 2010 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
Left for Boston to make slightly more than the contract on the table in StL.
Hometown discounts are one thing, but the difference then just seemed petty.
Too stupid and sissy-like to say that you want out.
You make the eyes of a million girls and think you'll make them shout.
by The Continental on Dec 12, 2010 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
So basically he jumped ship thinking it was dynasty time in Beantown
forget that. Statement retracted. Stay in the Bay.
"You may run like Mays, but you hit like sh**."
"Why's he calling me meat? I'm the one driving a Porsche."
by Lankford 4 President on Dec 12, 2010 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
4 years/$40M - one year option at the end
Apparently was $500,000 more overall (not per year…) than the Cards offer, I believe.
Yeah. Stay away unless you want to come for league minimum + incentives.
deon branch
just OBVIOUSLY broke his leg in the niners/seahawks game and the idiot announcers thought it was “probably just a cramp.”
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
yeah not that bad
and it was deon grant, not deon branch.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I was thinking that
as I sit here in CHicago and watch the Snow Bowl.
huh
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2010 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
deion branch was on the patriots I thought
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2010 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
you are correct
mixed my deon’s.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Interesting....
He plays for the Pats
"You may run like Mays, but you hit like sh**."
"Why's he calling me meat? I'm the one driving a Porsche."
by Lankford 4 President on Dec 12, 2010 6:56 PM EST reply actions
Ahhh I see
"You may run like Mays, but you hit like sh**."
"Why's he calling me meat? I'm the one driving a Porsche."
by Lankford 4 President on Dec 12, 2010 7:00 PM EST reply actions
notice the red word "reply" next to "actions"
that is to reply to comments, so your’s have context
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2010 7:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you must click on the word first
before commenting
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2010 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry about that
"You may run like Mays, but you hit like sh**."
"Why's he calling me meat? I'm the one driving a Porsche."
by Lankford 4 President on Dec 12, 2010 7:04 PM EST reply actions
grrrrrrrrr
"You may run like Mays, but you hit like sh**."
"Why's he calling me meat? I'm the one driving a Porsche."
by Lankford 4 President on Dec 12, 2010 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
Better?
"You may run like Mays, but you hit like sh**."
"Why's he calling me meat? I'm the one driving a Porsche."
by Lankford 4 President on Dec 12, 2010 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
It figures
I go out of town and can’t check VEB very often, and then they go and trade Brendan Ryan for some guy who kind of looks like a Dominican pitcher version of Brett Wallace (seriously, have you guys checked futureredbirds yet? He has big legs). And now I can’t even comment very much on it!
And I have a cold!
This sucks.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Silver lining...
Forces Greene on the roster right?
Someone go kid nap Miles, keep him away from Mo. (good luck!)
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
i think boog was better than greene
from my perspective, this team doesn’t construct it’s roster logically
by YesWeOquendo on Dec 12, 2010 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
Miles is like a used Chevette
"You may run like Mays, but you hit like sh**."
"Why's he calling me meat? I'm the one driving a Porsche."
by Lankford 4 President on Dec 12, 2010 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
Nah.
Too stupid and sissy-like to say that you want out.
You make the eyes of a million girls and think you'll make them shout.
by The Continental on Dec 12, 2010 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
Mario Andretti knows his name
Brendan Ryan is no longer a St. Louis Cardinal.
Fortunately, Aaron Miles isn't either.
Is that Miles in a Throwback Toronto Jersey?
"You may run like Mays, but you hit like sh**."
"Why's he calling me meat? I'm the one driving a Porsche."
by Lankford 4 President on Dec 12, 2010 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
i wish someone knew why
greene isn’t better. he hovers between being more than passable and falling off a cliff.
i’m not sure that even makes for a reliable backup.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I don't think our team presents a comfortable environment for young players
"You may run like Mays, but you hit like sh**."
"Why's he calling me meat? I'm the one driving a Porsche."
by Lankford 4 President on Dec 12, 2010 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
At the Major League level
"You may run like Mays, but you hit like sh**."
"Why's he calling me meat? I'm the one driving a Porsche."
by Lankford 4 President on Dec 12, 2010 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
i think Craig, Jay, and Stavinoha
looked pretty comfortable
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
craig got sent down about 30 times last season
and iirc, stav didn’t finish the year on the MLB roster
by YesWeOquendo on Dec 12, 2010 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
Touche
"You may run like Mays, but you hit like sh**."
"Why's he calling me meat? I'm the one driving a Porsche."
by Lankford 4 President on Dec 12, 2010 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
I was never here........pass it along
"You may run like Mays, but you hit like sh**."
"Why's he calling me meat? I'm the one driving a Porsche."
by Lankford 4 President on Dec 12, 2010 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
never where?
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Bad atttempt at a joke about the 'Miles knapping"
"You may run like Mays, but you hit like sh**."
"Why's he calling me meat? I'm the one driving a Porsche."
by Lankford 4 President on Dec 12, 2010 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
Wow - here at 5,000 feet on the eastern slope of the Front Range our forecast high tomorrow
is 40 degrees higher than St. Louis’. That’s crazy. (I bet it would have been warmer there tomorrow if Boog were around to brighten things up.)
by BTown Birds fan on Dec 12, 2010 7:29 PM EST reply actions
Nah, it used to be Bloomington, but now I'm living in Fort Collins
(in retrospect it was a poor choice of handle, but I’m stuck with it now.)
by BTown Birds fan on Dec 12, 2010 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
so you, danup, Isawgod, and myself are all in colorado
who else
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
I dunno, but we should think about Rocky Mountain VEB day when the Cards come to Coors
I never got to go to one at Busch.
(wipes tear from eye)
by BTown Birds fan on Dec 12, 2010 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
I'm driving down for the weekend.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
you all need to teach danup how to drink & kill stuff
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
what is something GDM will run into the ground till the day he dies
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
I'm not frustrated by this move because of what it says about Boog
I’m frustrated by this move because of what it says about the organization and how it’s being run.
1. Tony’s refusing to be a manager. He’s just forcing out people who won’t bend to his will.
2. They’ve abandoned the rational, Moneyball approach.
3. We’re doing a weak, knee jerk Walt Jocketty impression.
I do think a lot of this has to do with our perceived loss of status relative to the Reds. We are regretting letting Walt go and are know trying to go back to his ways (if we can’t get him back).
by thepainguy on Dec 12, 2010 7:52 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
For me
It’s just that the middle infield was such a huge problem, and it appears our solution is to improve ourselves incrementally offensively at a huge loss defensively. I think we should open ourselves to the possibility that Freese either can’t stay on the field, or can no longer move the way laterally that he could when we considered him a good defender, which would leave us defensively vulnerable at 3 infield positions….with a groundball staff.
I also don’t think this was done for talent reasons. I think it was more an issue of personality or professionalism, depending on your viewpoint. Why do we have so many personality issues? I tend to think we make too many decisions on this basis, when the tangible on-field performances don’t allow for it. If people don’t like Brendan Ryan, or Colby Rasmus, or whoever comes on down the line….at what point does the answer become “tough shit and learn to deal with it”?
I think there are probably 20 or so teams that could afford to deal someone of Ryan’s talent level and justify offering the opportunity to someone else. I don’t see how we are one of those teams. In many cases, with many teams, Ryan would be easily expendable. But for a team that was giving AB’s to Aaron Miles and Pedro Feliz last year, I just don’t think a Ryan Theriot pickup makes Brendan Ryan expendable. Not with our roster.
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 12, 2010 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
Get out of here Boog!! (sniffle)
Gooo!! you’re free now!! go be free… (boog runs off into the forrest, and looks back) I said Goo!! damnit!!! (I drop to my knees, head in my hands, crying_)
"I don't like to sound egotistical, but every time I stepped up to the plate with a bat in my hands, I couldn't help but feel sorry for the pitcher." Rogers hornsby.
by pattimagee on Dec 12, 2010 8:16 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
I prefer an ol' yeller type ending
I’m sorry boy, but Tony says your just too darn crazy… i’m gonna miss you boy. BANG
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
TLR approval rating is probably at it's lowest ever?
The anti-TLR crowd is growing:
It started with just people who loved Whitey and / or hated California dwelling vegetarian liberals.
It got bigger with people who loved Ozzie.
It got smaller with Big Mac hitting dingers.
Got bigger when the team couldn’t get past LCS in early aughts.
Got smaller when he led the team following the passing of Kile and Jack Buck.
Got bigger when it came out that Big Mac and everyone on the A’s was on Roids.
Got smaller when they won the pennant in 04.
Got bigger when lost horribly in 04 WS.
Got bigger with fallout from Rolen spat.
Got to it’s smallest point when they won WS in 06.
It’s been growing since 06 due to:
- Losing
- Reliance on GRIT over talent
- Big Mac hiring.
- Chris Duncan, Randy Winn, Aaron F-ing Miles.
i can see why
it is a creative reason after all
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
not to move into politics,
but I don’t think TLR is a liberal.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
only liberal in his animal love
and game management machinations! AM I RIGHT!
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Dec 12, 2010 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
that's personal opinion
no problem with Mac being on steroids especially in reference to Tony LaRussa… same with the hiring
and being in the World Series allowed me to not have a knee-jerk reaction and hate Tony more
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 13, 2010 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
just talked to mo
told me that boog actually just moved to a farm where he can run and never has to come inside
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
by prophetjohn on Dec 12, 2010 8:24 PM EST reply actions 7 recs
This is relevant to our situation
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Can we go visit him?
You know… someday?
Too stupid and sissy-like to say that you want out.
You make the eyes of a million girls and think you'll make them shout.
by The Continental on Dec 12, 2010 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
sorry, the continental, the farm is very, very far from
. . . Uh, wherever you live. And all the other VEB posters, too!
But we can write him letters! He’d like that. Why don’t you write him a letter.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Dec 12, 2010 11:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He's just around the U-Bend
if you put your head down the toilet and read him boxscores… he’ll like that.
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
So I'm pretty much convinced I'm going to live the entire rest of my
life and never see the Cards have a stable, consistent MIF from one year (or a couple) to the next. Man it would be nice to lock up a decent SS or 2B (who isn’t an outfielder)
Word up. I'm stoked for this.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Boog will speak tomorrow morning
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
What's the over/under
On the Jeff Gordon column explaining to us why the Rasmus deal for a decent middle infielder was a good thing for “Cards Nation”, because we dealt from a position of strength to address a position of need, and we got a better clubhouse guy too.
I’ll set the early line at July 23. Place your wagers. I’m an honest bookie, you can trust me.
colby rasmus won't be traded this season
sorry, guys, but colby rasmus is like a holy shit punch your mother in the face freaking lot better player than brendan f. ryan
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
by prophetjohn on Dec 12, 2010 8:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That's not the point
We’ll have Holiday, Jay, and Berkman.
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 12, 2010 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
And
then we’ll have Freeze/Craig/Miles/whoever and Theriot and Schu. It’s set up to be a win/win in the short term if we get 80 cents on the dollar. The right people will just have to bitch loud enough.
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 12, 2010 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
But his approach isn't as good as Jay's
I would bet that if Rasmus has a bad first two weeks, Jay replaces him as the starter.
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
Let's go ho
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
I'm convinced that this Jeff Gordon person
Doesn’t actually exist. He is in fact a computer program that just links to other writer’s content and uses a clever algorithm.
Insert 3 paragraphs of content that a college freshman could write (and likely did)
Then, “Mysteries of the universe”:
5 links to articles someone else has written
One question about how history will remember the Brendan Ryan era (or most recently traded player)
3 more detailed quotes from someone elses columns
by creativereason on Dec 12, 2010 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck
i can’t believe it. this completely ruined my weekend. FUCK
I'm not trolling, just being sarcastic.
Your weekend is almost over
if this has ruined it, it can’t have been anything special
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
you have 4 hours left of yours
not exactly alot of time
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
rage, rage against the dying of the light
by peppermartin on Dec 12, 2010 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
...i was going to say start drinking
but hey ho
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
yes, studying for finals was such a blast
the fact that boog was trading for nothing just kills me
I'm not trolling, just being sarcastic.
by hr on Dec 12, 2010 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
Your weekend ends in four hours and 15 minutes...
Watch Vick run over the Cowboys and drink some schnapps. That’ll help you get through it.
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooo...g
In honour of all of Brendan Ryan’s craptacular PA’s in 2010, i give you this well worn subject line.
*Not saying i don’t appreciate his defence… just the countless groundouts were not fun.
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
They're not booing you!
They’re Boog-urns!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
its more a sort of dejected
Cry, when BRyan hits the ball its BOOOOOOOOOO
When the ball inevitably bounces to the short stop its oooooooooo
and when he is thrown out at 1st (without sliding in head first, i might add) its …g
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
Actually, he's definitely not
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
As a city, Seattle >>>>>> St. Louis
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
St. Louis seems about as good as it gets for a baseball player to live in
Or a baseball fan for that matter.
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
There is way more to do in Seattle
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
That doesn't mean it's better
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
Okay, well having lived in Seattle and having grown up going to St. Louis every weekend
Seattle is way more fun than St. Louis
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
part of that is the newness, Seattle has a scary underbelly that
is rarely talked about, that and they have rats the size of house cats by the docks.
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
So that sucks right?
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
Meh... I like better than fashionista LA
People in Seattle actually have hobbies… they hike, bike, climb, cook, whatever
People in LA just kind of drink and go out
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
and look hot, the average on the USC campus has to be an 8
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
USC is very attractive, yes
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
and you wasted it
just like Danup is wasting his time in Ft Fun
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
well, people in stl do some drinking
nobody really has cool hobbies though. alot of people go to church. we have so many churches in st. louis it’s crazy. they spring up like rabbits
by YesWeOquendo on Dec 12, 2010 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry, what?
I couldn’t hear you over how awesome England is
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
yeah england would be great if it was full of swedes
and had nicer weather
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
by TomCat009 on Dec 12, 2010 9:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
it is almost never 95 degrees with 95% humidity in Seattle
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
I have never lived in either city
But I do live in what is supposedly the best weathered, most-stuff-to-do place in the country and it sucks dick, so I don’t particularly value those things.
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
Then I would find solace in a nice warm room and well-made bong
But now, I can’t even fully enjoy that because it feels like I’m wasting the vast potential of bullshit that is LA. z
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
It's better when you turn 21
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Hehe
you americans and your stupid drinking laws
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
I can get drunk anyway
What, I can go to night clubs then?
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, it's fun to go out with your friends
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Seems dumb to me
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
Hehe thats exactly what i thought
before i went clubbing. Like most things in life; don’t knock it until you’ve tried it.
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
I literally cannot imagine a scenario in which I would enjoy clubbing
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
It's just fun meeting new people outside of a college environment
I’ve been to hundreds of college parties and every conversation I have with someone new is the same
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I know, and i thought the same thing
(hard to believe as it is, i too was once 17). Just try it, you never know. Besides, clubs are great places for you young straight men to pick up girls.
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
It's awful.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
I stopped about 8 years ago.
I have two hard rules in life:
1. If I can’t wear a hat and flip flops into an establishment, they don’t get my business.
2. Fuck off, Sweden.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Dec 12, 2010 10:05 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
girls who like to go clubing
clubs are lame and hard to talk in
by YesWeOquendo on Dec 12, 2010 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
See that's my thinking
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
that's a recipe for disaster my young britlander
by YesWeOquendo on Dec 12, 2010 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
Is it really?
I mean, obviously there has to be some sort of communication, but verbal communication is usually secondary
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
So, what, you like gesture?
Seems kind of cavemanny to me.
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
In some places you can shout
but most of the time… yeah gesture and movements
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
Alright, sounds easy
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
you're bucking my english stereotype here aranathor
all the english i’ve met can’t stfu
by YesWeOquendo on Dec 12, 2010 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
Leaving the basement is hard.
But eventually you get used to it.
Brendan Ryan is no longer a St. Louis Cardinal.
Fortunately, Aaron Miles isn't either.
I love pubs, hate clubs
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
yeah, if I can't actually talk to my friends, why would I go somewhere with them?
Of course, I’m getting to the point where I think paying bar prices for drinks is retarded and would rather just have people over or go to a friends house. Also, I don’t need to meet any new people (we know more than enough already!).
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
You all are what I affectionately call
“not fun”
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
or: "30"
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
and: "married"
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Those three things happen to go hand in hand
wierd, almost as if there was a correlation.
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
OH, OUR PARTIES WILL FUN YOUR SOCKS OFF
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Normally every party we host
ends in guys doing tequila shots and watching The Last Waltz really loudly in our basement, the wives upsatirs gossiping, a few of us sneaking cigrattes on my deck, then all of a sudden it’s 3 am and i’m puking up a storm and my dog is annoyed he’s not getting his 12 ours of sleep. Photos the next day on the book of faces confirm ribald.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
The tequila sounds fun
but c’mon 3am? Lightweight!!!
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
I start drinking at 9 am on days i dont work, normally.
Your premier league really throws things of during the season.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
**makes sure your talking to me this time**
19
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
I said you had ovaries
and threatened to kick them. You could say that was a miscommunique
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
That was scoot.
Brendan Ryan is no longer a St. Louis Cardinal.
Fortunately, Aaron Miles isn't either.
the thinness of this thread means i can no longer tell who is replying to who
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
yeah
but the up button has dissappeared for me.
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
I actualy can't see it with your avatar for some reason. everyone elses' are still there
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Cause she's a girl
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
See, his works!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
I've been told
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
They're young
they don’t really know what they’re working with, yet.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
thats like 4AM in euros
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
I'm sure they will
mind if i keep my socks on though? i get cold feet.
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
Oh, there's no way in hell I'll be going to clubs when I'm 30
But if we’re giving VEP life advice, I think he should try them out. It’s fun while you’re young
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
What's something that's fun that doesn't suck?
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
Have you considered going to clubs?
Not a fan myself, but I hear some people have a good time there.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Dec 12, 2010 10:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Your mother
She’s very prude.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
My mom just died from lupus
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
It's never lupus, you idiot
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
see pubs are a qulity over quantity
experience, the social interactions are more rewarding, and as most forms of dancing these days qualify as third degree sexual assault I considered them less risky than clubs
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
No, my main pub does great quilt work.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
AND YOUR AUXILLIARY PUBS?!
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Dec 12, 2010 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
Afghans. Nothing but afghans.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
The only times i've seen brawls in clubs
is when people get too drunk. Or when someone dances with someone elses girlfriend… the problem seems to be a heterosexual thing.
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
i love subs
hate nubs
Fire John Mozeliak
by purple_haze on Dec 12, 2010 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
what about schlubs?
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
and dubs?
How to you feel about 20inch rims on an impala?
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Dec 12, 2010 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
I love pubs AND clubs
but apparently i’m in a minority. Cool, never been in one of those before.
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
I'm an Asian liberal atheist who lives in rural Missouri
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
by mysterui on Dec 12, 2010 10:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I like some parts of you but not others
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah but you're in Europe
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
No, i'm in england
I don’t think he’s too hot on queers either. No pun intended… well sorta intended.
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
I wore a tie in Hermann yesterday, and haf the people who looked at me had thought bubbles reading "queer" above their heads.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Dec 12, 2010 10:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I wore Adidas pants
when we drove through Independence on the way to Colorado. We stopped at a Cracker Barrel because Josh had never been. The women there – all wearing floor length skirts – stared at me like I was wearing no pants at all.
sans pants, or should I say... "spants"?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Trousers in a Cracker Barrel?
My goodness, how bawdy
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Dec 12, 2010 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
Brett Favre lives in Independence?
Brendan Ryan is no longer a St. Louis Cardinal.
Fortunately, Aaron Miles isn't either.
I pretty much just get stared at wherever I go in Missouri
There is no worse feeling than walking into a building and knowing you’re the only non-WASP there
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Seems kind of fun to me
I love going into my school chapel high.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
Being out of place?
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
Or are you actually afraid someone is going to hurt you?
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
No, I just had no idea where you were coming from haha
I
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Really?
You’re still alive and everything?
by WizardofOz1982 on Dec 13, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
Uhh
Imagine a scenario where it has become the social norm in which women grind their asses into your crotch to the beat of music. You’re halfway home before you even say your name.
Not afraid to nitpick
I mean I would enjoy it
But it would offend my sensibilities.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
I apparently lack sensibilities
I can’t do clubs on a regular basis, but when you are…….in the right frame of mind, it’s a good time.
Not afraid to nitpick
Central illinois!!!!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Well I've lived in LA too
And it actually sucks
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
seriously how can a place that collects so much in every kind of
taxes be such a trash pile
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
Traffic and smog is a good start
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I just mean how their is so much trash in the medians, and
on the sides of the roads
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
There's just too many people and it's too expansive
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Seattle grew from 3 to 8 million in like 10 years
the traffic is the only way you would know it
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
I've never known Seattle to have particularly bad traffic
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I live in LA... anything is good compared to that
I also lived a mile from the stadium, so I didn’t have to go on highways
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
try getting anywhere on the highways
there are like 3 ferries and 3 or four bridges from Tukwilla, to Lynnwood, to Tacoma, to anywhere is a parking lot
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
And rampant douchebags
And Beverly Hills, have you ever tried to find parking there?
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
No, don't go by there too often
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
except for the really good Mexican food
by peach concrete on Dec 12, 2010 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
Can't disagree there
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
seattle is a mexican food wasteland
Portland too, someone gave me broccoli in a burrito in seattle
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
yeah but that is like putting Asparagus on a BLT
just not right
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
L.A. has it's strong points but I personally think you would enjoy Seattle
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
you're also 17 & don't know shit
no offense
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
yeah
LA beats pretty much any other city in everything except cost of living and “time to get from point a to point b”. But those are not independent variables.
Not sure I've seen dumber baseball words: "Brendan Ryan became expendable after (Cardinals) acquired infielder Ryan Theriot." -Joe Posnanski
And the food is better
Seafood!
(Sorry toasted ravioli.)
Brendan Ryan is no longer a St. Louis Cardinal.
Fortunately, Aaron Miles isn't either.
Pioneer Square and Pike Street.
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
I walked through Pioneer Square every day to get to work
Ahhhh memories
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I spent a lot of time in Seattle when I was younger
a lot of good memories at the fire pits in West Seattle
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
There's more to do in mysterui's mom too
Does that make her better?
by BTown Birds fan on Dec 12, 2010 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, but
baseball is about the only thing st louis has going for it
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
#1 in murders
good place to get raped/mugged/beaten/pickpocketed etc… Also, the Steamers. Are they still around? Slobo was the most offensively inclined goalie ever.
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
What Do You Mean They Canceled Corky The Clown?!?
Too stupid and sissy-like to say that you want out.
You make the eyes of a million girls and think you'll make them shout.
by The Continental on Dec 12, 2010 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
i guess there's that, too
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
that doesn't sound very fun at all!
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Dec 12, 2010 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
The adreline rush walking to my car every morning is reason enough to live here!
Will I be murdered? Flunk out of school in ninth grade? Get the clap? Who know… It could all happen here!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
unless you enjoy sunshine
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
I would trade the sunshine for Seattle.
VEP would diss the trade, but I’d be happy.
Brendan Ryan is no longer a St. Louis Cardinal.
Fortunately, Aaron Miles isn't either.
It was defense, not defence
BOOG’S DEFENSE WAS AS AMERICAN AS APPLE PIE, DAMMIT!!!
by BTown Birds fan on Dec 12, 2010 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
In Seattle their happy about the trade
But bummed they couldn’t get Mo to through is Rasmus…
My only sadness about reading about this trade is disappointment that Colby Rasmus is not a part of the deal. He is exactly the kind of young bopper Seattle needs. I would take him over any of the outfielders they have on their 40-man roster (more on that momentarily). The timing is ripe to acquire Rasmus – after this coming season he will be one of the best hitters in baseball. Right now the M’s could likely get him for a top minor leaguer and Sanders.
Ackley and Pineda for Rasmus
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I'm guessing Ichiro would have been out of the question
by peppermartin on Dec 12, 2010 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
Ichiro's too expensive
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
this applies to nearly every club
and it gets on my nerves when i read it from every team because i find myself saying “yeh… no shit” and “good luck with that trade proposal”….
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 13, 2010 1:02 AM EST up reply actions
He's a damn good player.
It was a classy move visiting Sisler’s grave in STL after breaking his hits record.
Yea, Brendan's only a mediocre player (1 WAR via fangraphs)
but he’s a mediocre player, at a position where we have nothing but SHIT players. This move undoes all of my excitement for this season. At least before I could figure, at WORST Brendan is good for 1 WAR (all defense), now we have to rely 100% on Theriot. Fuck.
Could Colby Rasmus hit a ball so hard that even he couldn't catch it?
He was LITERALLY our BEST middle infielder. WHY WOULD YOU TRADE YOUR BEST MIDDLE INFIELDER WITHOUT AN OBVIOUS UPGRADE???
Could Colby Rasmus hit a ball so hard that even he couldn't catch it?
by Cardinals645 on Dec 12, 2010 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
for the last time, because Tony LaRussa
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
I don't mind this
If it’s for like 1 million. He’s better than Skip.
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
That would be a helluva a pay cut for a guy that made $10 million last year
You’re figuring him at SS and Theriot at 2B…?
by BTown Birds fan on Dec 12, 2010 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
Anyone but Skip
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, he is
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
That's the offer on the table from the Giants.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Buster Olney writes article on realignment
world not surprised
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
Beggin' ya here.
Too stupid and sissy-like to say that you want out.
You make the eyes of a million girls and think you'll make them shout.
by The Continental on Dec 12, 2010 9:54 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
And you even did it in Christmas colors!
by BTown Birds fan on Dec 12, 2010 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
Festive!
Too stupid and sissy-like to say that you want out.
You make the eyes of a million girls and think you'll make them shout.
by The Continental on Dec 12, 2010 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
Sheeeeesh
You’re worse than my Spanish language tutor
by peppermartin on Dec 12, 2010 9:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Dexter season finale:
Terrible
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
agreed
more or less. This was my fear: that the show would just go into a holding pattern so that Showtime could squeeze more money out of it. I’m not saying that’s what’s going on yet, but one more season like this one and you have to start to wonder.
Man, it was so fucking crazy when Laguerta and Dexter had sex
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
you could be right
but i’m not convinced yet
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
Alternative titles to bad Billy Joel songs for $100, alex
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Dec 12, 2010 10:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
In my country
someone that is cleto is someone that is bad at doing a certain task. For example, if I say “tu eres cleto para el baseball” it translates to “you are bad at baseball”.
This is a fact.
FIRE JOHN FUCKING MOZELIAK AND TONY FUCKING LARUSSA
I am sure the Walrus can play RF...
Boog for Starting Shortstop in 2011!
Dick Pole rose to the head of his chosen field...
So you never know.
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
Joe Poz's take on BRyan
“Not sure I’ve seen dumber baseball words: “Brendan Ryan became expendable after (Cardinals) acquired infielder Ryan Theriot.”"
http://twitter.com/JPosnanski
Apologies if someone has already posted it – I didn’t see it.
by peach concrete on Dec 12, 2010 10:17 PM EST reply actions
A wise man
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty sure it hasn't been posted.
And…. yeah.
Too stupid and sissy-like to say that you want out.
You make the eyes of a million girls and think you'll make them shout.
by The Continental on Dec 12, 2010 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
angrysceck is an asshat.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Oh, you’re going to LOVE Theriot then. RT @angrysceck Ryan is terrible at the plate and …he played abnormally deep. He’s no loss. 15 minutes ago via web
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 12, 2010 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
And what the hell am I going to do with this now?
That’s what I want to know.
Too stupid and sissy-like to say that you want out.
You make the eyes of a million girls and think you'll make them shout.
by The Continental on Dec 12, 2010 10:20 PM EST reply actions
I will continue to wear mine.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Never Forget!
Yeah, me too.
Too stupid and sissy-like to say that you want out.
You make the eyes of a million girls and think you'll make them shout.
by The Continental on Dec 12, 2010 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
GOD DAMN IT, MO
YOU DIDN’T THINK OF OUR T-SHIRTS
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Luckily for us, Communism will always be "in"
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
unless of course they adopt it, then it ends up in bad odor pretty quickly
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
via Strauss
Mo’: “Changing the culture of the clubhouse was important to us… we felt this was an appropriate way to make a change.”
See: signature.
Fire John Mozeliak
I really want to know more about this
because if it really just boiled down to Brendan being a harmless goofball—and that it apparently rubbed the FO and even the other players the wrong way—maybe I don’t like this team (at least from a personality standpoint) nearly as much as I thought I did.
I think the lesson is
they can have an everyday SS be a goofball and a flake, as long as he provides value. but when he spends a season being a flake and OBPing ~300, he needs to go. I just wish they’d remember more often that he had wrist surgery in Feb.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
If everyone was annoyed by Ryan I could see getting rid of him...
regardless of whether it hurts the team a little. The guys in the FO and in the clubhouse are humans – they don’t want to deal with someone who is annoying.
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
Not an excuse for horribly lopsided trade
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
Hawksworth,
Ryan, and $1.5M for Theriot and Cleto is not a "horribly lopsided trade. It might be inadvisable, in might harm the team to a small degree in the short term, but it’s not Haren, Barton, Kiko for Mulder or Rasmus for Ellsbury.
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
Ryan for Cleto is horribly lopsided
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
yeahhhhhh
we’ve been meaning to talk you, guayzimi
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
by prophetjohn on Dec 12, 2010 10:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Luckily the manager of this team...
understands my value…
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
for a clubhouse with the sheer number of alcohol-related run-ins with the law, compared to the rest of the league
that’s rich.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 12, 2010 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe Pujols hated Ryan...
and this will encourage him to sign an extension. That’d be worth the 1 war difference between Ryan and Theriot.
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
nah
the most obvious explanation is that john mozeliak is on LSD
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
by prophetjohn on Dec 12, 2010 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
Don't diss LSD dude
That stuff’s supposed to make you smarter.
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
it really just makes you see weird bugs and patterns
Fire John Mozeliak
by purple_haze on Dec 12, 2010 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
What about egodeath?
And enlightenment?
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
those are all made up
Fire John Mozeliak
by purple_haze on Dec 12, 2010 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
don't worry
there is still magic in each and every one of us! And if I’m reading the bible right: one of those swiveling birdheads on a stick that drink water.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Dec 12, 2010 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
Doc Ellis = no hitter
Brendan Ryan is no longer a St. Louis Cardinal.
Fortunately, Aaron Miles isn't either.
maybe our team needs to remove the collective stick up their asses.
Fire John Mozeliak
by purple_haze on Dec 12, 2010 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, Tony
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
I'm close to being done with this team
I’m just really not sure how much more I can take. It’s increasingly hard to watch as Mo, Larussa and company dismantle this team. There trading talent for personality. I think a Colby Rasmus trade will put the final nail in this coffin.
How about that Sam Bradford?
Has anyone ever noted how fortunate the Rams are to have him?
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Dec 12, 2010 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
Rams did well today right?!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
don't let the username fool you
I’ve been a cards fan since the day I was born. Been to dozens of games, and maybe one of my greatest moments as a fan was being in at the game where Suppan out pitched Clemens. But watching this is absolutely ridiculous.
No shit...
the Royals have a bunch of good blogs – the dedication to that utterly rediculous organization is amazing.
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
no doubt
LaRussa isn’t a monster, in fact he’s highly unlikely to eat a child.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Dec 12, 2010 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
What the hell happened today...
would we have won if we played them at home? Or do we suck as much as Colin Cowert says?
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
also, one bad throw turned that game
it was closer than the score
by brackenthebox on Dec 12, 2010 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
"There [sic] trading talent for personality."
see: four pillars
by brackenthebox on Dec 12, 2010 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
Let's take a look at the direction the two organizations are heading?
The cardinals trade players LaRussa doesn’t like.
I love both teams
but the Rams are much more vocal about the importance of buying into the team and showing “high character” than the Cardinals are.
And the Cardinals have a lot more work to do to get anywhere near as bad as the Rams right now, let alone the past 5 years.
by brackenthebox on Dec 12, 2010 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
Trade Rasmus and lose Pujols to free agency
and your only a few bloated contracts to last place.
yeah I think this team could potentially maybe
if we get a touch lucky be the best in the NL. But, like most teams, we aren’t that far from a tumble unless we draft lucky/well.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Dec 12, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
much like if the rams decide to cut sjax and ship out bradford for picks
I’m not judging them on moves they haven’t made
by brackenthebox on Dec 12, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
you are a smart man
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 13, 2010 1:07 AM EST up reply actions
cause this will totally happen....
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 13, 2010 1:06 AM EST up reply actions
whats all the talent they have shipped out to dismantle the team?
by jealousblues on Dec 13, 2010 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
WAS IT OVER WHEN THE GERMANS BOOMED PEARL HARBOR????
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
I like this version better.
Too stupid and sissy-like to say that you want out.
You make the eyes of a million girls and think you'll make them shout.
by The Continental on Dec 13, 2010 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
BYE!
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 13, 2010 1:05 AM EST up reply actions
BJ Rains is like that kid brother that doesn't know when you're making fun of him
BJRains (B.J. Rains)
Anonymous Cards player on Ryan trade: “Probably something that needed to happen. ..He needs to take his job a little more serious.”
36 minutes ago from web
AaronBaronHill (Aaron Hill)
@BJRains whoever that was doesn’t have very good grammar. I know this because of all stl media i trust you to accurately transcribe a quote.
6 minutes ago from Chromed Bird
BJRains (B.J. Rains)
@AaronBaronHill It was in a text. And not sure why you trust me the most, but I appreciate it lol.
4 minutes ago in reply to AaronBaronHill from web
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Where's that burnsauce .gif when you need it?
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
[IMG]http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p280/curtokins/burnsauce.gif[/IMG]
Bob Feller is THE prime example of a cranky old man...working with him a 8:00 AM has to be one of the most dangerous jobs in America.
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Bob Feller is THE prime example of a cranky old man...working with him a 8:00 AM has to be one of the most dangerous jobs in America.
Bob Feller is THE prime example of a cranky old man...working with him a 8:00 AM has to be one of the most dangerous jobs in America.
Main Entry: unaware
Part of Speech: adjective
Definition: ignorant
Synonyms: blind, careless, caught napping, daydreaming, deaf, deaf to, doped, forgetful, heedless, in a daze, inattentive, incognizant, inconversant, insensible, mooning, negligent, nescient, not all there, not cognizant, oblivious, out cold, out of it, out to lunch, spacey, unacquainted, unconcerned, unconscious, unenlightened, unfamiliar, uninformed, uninstructed, unknowing, unmindful, unsuspecting, unwitting
Too stupid and sissy-like to say that you want out.
You make the eyes of a million girls and think you'll make them shout.
by The Continental on Dec 12, 2010 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
I don't like anonymous quotes
If you are going to say something about someone. Say it.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Since the Boog moved on to Seattle, I'll pay tribute to a Seattle band
“Down in the Valley” by The Head and the Heart is a FUCKING SONG.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
i knew this day was coming.
but no amount of preparation could have helped. i just feel SAD. i think that i would have felt a lot better if we had gotten someone who might actually play major league baseball in return.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
i'm open to suggestions.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
IHeartBoob
Only need to change one letter!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
IMissBoog
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
or IHateTheriot
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
naw, don't take it out on Theriot
it’s not his fault
I vote for keeping the name – you haven’t stopped hearting him, right?
by peach concrete on Dec 12, 2010 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
I need someone to displace my anger
BJ Rains wasn’t enough
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
not TH Eriot!
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 12, 2010 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
IHeartBooz
Although, I think Aranathor has dibs on that.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
BoogWould've
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
by Aranathor on Dec 12, 2010 11:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Winner.
Too stupid and sissy-like to say that you want out.
You make the eyes of a million girls and think you'll make them shout.
by The Continental on Dec 12, 2010 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
representin'.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 12, 2010 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
that would be perpetual grammar-hound bait.
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 13, 2010 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
you're being obvious again
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 13, 2010 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
and dishonest, I don't even think he likes him much
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
are you observant
would've.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 13, 2010 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
i like me, i just don't like where i am
and of course i’m being obvious, no one understands me when i’m subtle
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
IHEARTGREENE
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 13, 2010 1:08 AM EST up reply actions
I like the idea, as years pass, more and more usernames becoming
unrelated to the current roster.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Dec 12, 2010 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
Woah, over 1200 comments
can i get an overflow?
Skip Schumaker is not a scapegoat.
Forsooth and Verily
Yeah hold on
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2010/12/12/1872548/brendan-ryan-was-traded-overflow
Skip Schumaker is a scapegoat
by vivaelpujols on Dec 12, 2010 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
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