Colby Rasmus tricks and weird splits
Now that the Colby Rasmus thing is a general concern again, instead of a very specific one, I can share a split I discovered while researching yesterday's SB Nation St. Louis post on the subject: Colby Rasmus hit .340 (or .333, if you ask Fangraphs) last year on ground balls, for an sOPS+—the OPS of that split compared to the league on the same one—of 208. His batting average was fourth among Major leaguers with at least 100 ground balls, behind speedsters Drew Stubbs, Rajai Davis, and, uh, Miguel Olivo.
So when Colby Rasmus does hit ground balls—and he does it far less often than players like Stubbs (150 AB), Davis (212), or league leaders Ichiro (335) and Derek Jeter (364!)—he'll probably be good at it. He's left-handed, he hits the ball hard, he runs fast. But aside from hitting even more line drives I'm not sure Rasmus isn't already maximizing his effectiveness as a hitter with his current batted-ball mix. Using the same tiny sample-sizes, Rasmus hit .318 with a slugging percentage of .861 on his 155 fly balls last year.
Ichiro is great at converting ground balls into hits—.305 in his career—but he only hits .162 on fly balls. So far Rasmus has shown himself to be pretty good at both, and if that's the case he's doing the right thing right now. Hit some home runs, get on base via the walk, and try not to squirm when Dave McKay gives you a post-infield-single back-rub.
Meanwhile, Derrick Goold knows how to get me to link to his Twitter: Pro-Brendan Ryan speculation. Blockquote:
Just speculation, of course, but I wonder if #stlcards FO has high value on B-Ryan so they can claim they tried trade, and get to keep him.
This is the heretofore-waning Mozeliak-is-one-of-us position on the front-office/on-field machinations, sketched out in miniature. I would be very happy if it were the case.
But I'm not sure if it's even necessary. If the Cardinals got Ryan Theriot for Blake Hawksworth, a 28-year-old with a nice change-up and a 2010 ERA of 4.98, what were they expecting to get from a player they value less, and who was run out of town nearly as completely as the DFA'd Theriot? At what position, at this point, would the Cardinals be upgraded by a slightly higher-upside version of Blake Hawksworth?
It's the middle infield, and that's all. And that's why this rush to trade Ryan has always been so strange. The only move to make would be a challenge trade for another shortstop, and the kind of shortstop they want would be, in all likelihood, a high-upside, high-risk guy exactly like Ryan who might sit on the bench but might also be an upgrade on safer, duller Theriot and Schumaker.
That would be fine if the Cardinals could find one they like better, but most teams aren't nearly so pissed off at their version of this guy as the Cardinals happen to be. I'm not sure how a Ryan trade would work without being an obvious downgrade; and given that likelihood, I hope Mozeliak has the guts not to make the move, whether he wants to trade Ryan or is secretly trying to sabotage the whole thing.
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Heh
safer, duller Theriot
waits for green
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
by mysterui on Dec 10, 2010 7:01 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
you're a rec whore,
just like…..
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
she is worth rec'ing
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
by mattyfrommo on Dec 10, 2010 7:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd her? damn near killed her.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Dec 10, 2010 9:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 16 recs
bravo
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 11, 2010 1:30 AM EST up reply actions
i hate that he stole my thunder
i rec’d it, nonetheless
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
We paid Izturis
about 3M a few years ago, coming off a 59 OPS+ season, and 39 the year before that. We can essentially have a rich man’s Izturis for about a 3rd of the cost, and we don’t even have to start him if we don’t want to.
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 10, 2010 7:23 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
whatever the Cards do i hope they make up their damn minds & stick to a plan
i’m suck & tired of this TLR vs the Luhnow’s of the organization
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
2 more years
he just can’t manage once this contract is up
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
You indeed are suck.
:)
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
by Taskmaster on Dec 10, 2010 8:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
gotdammit, that's the second Freudian slip of the day
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Finished my application for Wash U in St. Louis.
Anyone been there and have some input they would like to share, or even if you haven’t and would like to talk about it, I am not too familiar with the area.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Live in the CWE for sure...
I recommend any apartment on Maryland Ave, especially the corner of Maryland and Euclid. Great neighborhood/square.
Bob Feller is THE prime example of a cranky old man...working with him a 8:00 AM has to be one of the most dangerous jobs in America.
Ahhh, thanks for the tip, I'll keep that in mind should I get in.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
It's one of the best places for college students/young adults in the city.
Safe neighborhood, amazing nightlife, historic architecture, very hip and modern….

Bob Feller is THE prime example of a cranky old man...working with him a 8:00 AM has to be one of the most dangerous jobs in America.
amazing nightlife?
I think you’re overstating it a bit (a lot). No such thing really exists in St. Louis, and even if it did I wouldn’t point to the CWE. But it is nice. Brennan’s in the CWE is an awesome “chill” type bar. I actually used to live near Euclid and Laclede, near a bar called Rosie’s that was one of the best dive bars in town (and awesomely out of place in the CWE. God, somebody please tell me that place is still there. You can bring your dogs in!).
I also lived in the DeMun area, where a lot of Wash U. students live. Nice, quiet area and the original Kaldi’s coffee shop there makes a damn fine latte. A damn fine one, I say.
Maryland Plaza does have an awesome night life, especially in the Spring, Summer, and Fall.
You have Bar Louie, The Drunken Fish, The Mandarin, Culpeppers, Scape, and the ever popular spots of the Cupcakery and Coffee Cartel. It is busy 24/7.
Bob Feller is THE prime example of a cranky old man...working with him a 8:00 AM has to be one of the most dangerous jobs in America.
And yeah Rosie's is still there on Laclede...
Bob Feller is THE prime example of a cranky old man...working with him a 8:00 AM has to be one of the most dangerous jobs in America.
Blueberry Hill is a good restaurant
or rather, I liked it last time I was there, 4 years ago.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 11, 2010 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
Still a fine place.
But the best pizza in the midwest (Pi) is in the hood now.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
do they still have their truck driving all over the place?
and didn’t i hear they are opening up a place somewhere west of 270?
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
They do.
And have locations now in the loop, CWE, Kirkwood, and Chesterfield. And will be opening one in DC in the spring (I assume to mainly feed the POTUS).
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
that's very cool, do you think it's the best in the city?
is it better than Dewey’s? which is actually out here but not that close, i still want to try it
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Yes.
I’d say
Pi
Onesto
Black Thorn
Katies
Dewyes
Joanies
Louies
Others
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
i've never heard of onesto, katies, joanies & louies
where are they?
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
...
Onesto = South Hampton ‘hood on Macklind. Fantastic during tolerable summer nights, best out door dining in the city. Great whenever, though. Can’t recommend it enough.
Katies = on Clayton in Richmond Heights-ish ’hood, across from the Schnucks shopping enter. Really good.
Joanies = Soulard. Good. Do the rare stuffed pizza quit well.
Louie’s = couple of chain locations. They do my favorite version of “St Louis style” bad pizza (but will do mozzarella upon request) and a decent Chicago style deep dish)
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
It is awsome.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Ever been to the good pie?
We’ve talked about going there for a year or so but never made it.
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 11, 2010 2:01 AM EST up reply actions
No, and I've only heard AMAZING things
so me rankings should not be concrete.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
sweet, i've added them to the list of places i need to go
next time i’m in town
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Rigazzis and Joe boccardis are both better than pi
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Dec 11, 2010 1:49 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I like Joe Bacardis.
But no.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Blueberry Hill
Unfortunately, I will never be able to hear the name without wincing, now that I’ve heard Putin’s rendition of the song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IV4IjHz2yIo&feature=player_embedded
(/no politics, just surreal horror)
by peach concrete on Dec 11, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
the original kaldi's?
there are many of them? i grew up there (on northwood), and i rememeber when kaldi’s came there and replaced a travel agency. every once in a while i have a dream where i go in there for a snack. good for them for expanding.
Grad school or undergrad?
I was in grad school there. In addition to CWE, the Loop area north of campus can be a great place to live. A lot of undergrads and some grad students live in apartments immediately north, then a little east of that is a very nice neighborhood where some faculty live (along with Joe Edwards, the Godfather of the Loop – in a good way). I had a friend who rented a carriage house in the back yard of one of those places, and it was quite cool (I don’t imagine there are too many of those options available though…). Then a lot of grad students and some undergrads live a little further north, on the other side of Delmar. That area was a little sketchy when I was in school (1998-2004), but it’s gentrified quite a bit since then and is much safer – and of course more expensive – now.
Aside from the shitty summer weather, St. Louis is such a great place to live. I hope you get in!
by BTown Birds fan on Dec 10, 2010 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
Delmar can go from great to sketchy in a hurry...you have to know where you are at all times.
I was a weekly visitor to Big Shark Cycle and went to the Pageant almost ever weekend it seemed…love the Loop.
Bob Feller is THE prime example of a cranky old man...working with him a 8:00 AM has to be one of the most dangerous jobs in America.
Going in for undergrad.
Hope I get in as well, fairly hard college to get into I understand.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Very hard to get into. Also very very very expensive.
I hope you’ve filed your FASFA.
Bob Feller is THE prime example of a cranky old man...working with him a 8:00 AM has to be one of the most dangerous jobs in America.
Yeah, I have incredibly high test scores
but my grades are not ideal I suppose (Taking too many AP’s). I think I have a decent shot, but I am not counting on getting in :P
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
I've had 2 students who attended WashU
What I heard from them is that it was very good for science, math, engineering…that sort of thing, not that good for liberal arts. One of my former students thrived there in the sciences and one did very poorly b/c the environment just wasn’t all that good for his liberal arts major. So I guess, like most good schools, is that it depends on what you want to study.
The liberal arts classes, according to my friends who went there,
are very “grunt-work” oriented. They were not impressed.
Mmmmm
That’s kind of offputting, most of what I want to do is in liberal arts, but I think I can deal with it.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Psh, just come to USC
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Bah, I'd like to get as far away from corruption and illegalities as I possibly can, sorry.
Applying to ASU though :)
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
And yet, USC has the same chance of playing in a meaningful bowl game as ASU does
USC’s girls are hotter as well
And is a better school
And is in a better city (kind of)
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
USC is not a better school that Wash U, you dumbass
And there is no fucking way that LA is better than St. Louis.
i like heroin - prophetjohn
by vivaelpujols on Dec 11, 2010 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
He's talking about USC being better than ASU.
And no, ASU girls are hotter, plus, it’s like 20 degrees hotter, and you know what that means.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
ASU's girls might be more willing to sleep with you because they're dumber
They’re not hotter though
And ASU might be hotter (temp. wise), but we have beaches
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
In comparing
ASU and USC in terms of sports only, which school overall has a more successful sports program all over, men and women? I think ASU, but no data to support that. I live in SE Phoenix, and we go to a lot of Central Arizona College women’s basketball games. Juco-wise, national class. So are there baseball, softball, track, cross country, and other teams. best damn little college in the US.
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Dec 11, 2010 7:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That would be
overall. Dyslexia?
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Dec 11, 2010 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
USC, and it's not even REMOTELY close
Like, it’s the difference between Pujols and Aaron Miles
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Uhhh, incorrect.
And people wonder why USC is hated…..hmmm….
USC basketball is pretty awful, and ASU has probably when of the most underrated coaches in America. You guys have a retread from Arizona…..
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Yes, because one sport is representative of a school's overall athletic program
From Wikipedia:
The program participates in the Pacific-10 Conference and has won 114 total team national championships, 92 of which are NCAA National Championships.
Arizona State has 22 NCAA national championships:
What the hell was up with the snarky response?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
guys, guys, you're both pretty, stop fighting
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Oh, I'm a Notre Dame fan, I have to be an asshole to USC at all times possible :)
(Sorry, I’ve had an annoying day)
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Let it go, guys. Both schools are amazingly mediocre.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Dec 12, 2010 11:35 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I expect your apology ASAP
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
as a recent washU undergrad graduate (2008)
1) it’s a tough school to get into for sure, but they have a great deal of respect for high test scores and kids who at least take AP classes even if you don’t ace them.
2) of the departments i saw: the biology and anthropology departments are some of the best in the country, the pre-med program is very strong especially if you can form some connections at the medical school (one of the best), the engineering program is very challenging, and the graduates seem to find high paying employment pretty easily post-grad, especially the BME students
3) first year you would have to live on campus (required), though after that you have your pick. The most common areas for undergrads are just north of campus, between delmar and forest park parkway, and then slightly east of skinker along waterman and pershing.
4) very research oriented school, which some people don’t like but it’s a great great way to very quickly build an excellent resume. Myself, and other people I know started research with prof’s our first summer, and all of us graduated with a handful of publications, small grant awards, poster presentations, etc. Those are really great when you are applying for basically anything, but particularly further academic stuff (grad school, med school etc.)
i think that’s most of the stuff i can tell you about it off the top of my head
by duncans_army on Dec 11, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
Good stuff, thanks for the heads up.
I was actually looking forward to being able to research in college, sounds really ideal.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Also very close to Dogtown
though I’m only a mile and a half south of it, I still miss it.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
I LOVE Nick's Pub.
Bob Feller is THE prime example of a cranky old man...working with him a 8:00 AM has to be one of the most dangerous jobs in America.
by mtzxc on Dec 10, 2010 8:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
it's so smokey though
and the quality has gone way down, i think they’re losing a lot of business
by YesWeOquendo on Dec 10, 2010 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
I haven't been there in 2 years now, but I do have fond memories.
Sad to hear it’s slowly declining.
Bob Feller is THE prime example of a cranky old man...working with him a 8:00 AM has to be one of the most dangerous jobs in America.
Where I first got my wife's phone number
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
TO THE MOON, SPANTS
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
the best kind of clap
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
by mattyfrommo on Dec 10, 2010 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
it's the only kind to have
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
I feel like this was a sniper attack
precise, unexpected and deadly
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
throwing knives.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 10, 2010 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
sometimes I forget how cool you are
a thousand apologies
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
in my book it does!
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
there are other things, but that's right up there
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
You talking to a group of guys
who are also home alone on a friday night on the internet. You’re kinda playing to your audience.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
Big Fish in a small pond spants
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
Teach me your ways!
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
I can't believe that this only has a measly nine recs.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 11, 2010 2:14 AM EST up reply actions
Nice, I'm thinking Economics/Political Science/Political Economy/Statistics
Somewhere in that conglomerate of interests I may scratch out a degree. If I go Economics then I will definitely hit some business classes.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
UMSL has a dual Engineering classes with Wash U
Thinking of going to back to school to get an Engineering degree. Midtown can be a bitch to live in sometimes. I would recommend living 2 mins away from 40.
by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 11, 2010 12:09 AM EST up reply actions
There's a theater named after my dad and granddad on campus
but I never attended.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 11, 2010 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
Trading Ryan made sense
only if you were packaging him with another player to get a better SS (whom the Cards probably can’t afford). If the Cards can’t do that, then they’d just need another utility guy to replace Ryan if they traded him — which doesn’t make any sense because he’d be better than whoever the Cards could get/sign (like crappy Izturis for $1.5MM ).
Seems very unlikely that Ryan will be traded, IMO.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 10, 2010 8:13 PM EST reply actions
Boog playing Super-Utility ... 3B and 2B predictions?
So TLR envisions Boog as a “super-utility” infielder. Interesting. Theoretically, that means he’ll be playing some 2B and 3B as well. I’ll be curious to see how Brendan’s world-class SS skills translate to other infield positions.
Anybody wanna guess what that will be like?
"Pumpkins, Books, Indie Rock, & Hot Sex!!" - Ted Simmons
he's played those positions before
he’s good at both positions, but his bat is too suck for him to work at 3B
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
that would make no sense
boogs only value is his glove at SS
i’d think they’d move schumaker to 3B before boog
by YesWeOquendo on Dec 10, 2010 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
NOOOOOO Don't give them any ideas!
I can see it now….Schu at 3rd, Theriot at SS, and Miles at 2B. If Tony thinks of this we’re screwed.
Bob Feller is THE prime example of a cranky old man...working with him a 8:00 AM has to be one of the most dangerous jobs in America.
Just keep him on the roster at this point
In practice, it may be much different than what is being discussed now. An injury to either Theriot or Schumaker puts him at SS. Possibly extended nonperformance for either too, though we know how that can go. Maybe Ryan goes back to 2009 form out of the gate, and forces TLR’s hand for AB’s that way.
Even if Theriot and Schumaker fulfill the organization’s wildest expectations, and Ryan still can’t hit, I’d still think he’s the guy you put into the game with a lead in the late innings. As long as they are talking about him being on the roster I’ll take it at this point.
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 10, 2010 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with this
Ryan has value as a SS due to his glove. His bat is the reason he doesn’t have a full-time job. And, by the way, I thought one of the reasons they were extricating him from the team is b/c the other players don’t like him. Mo and TLR do realize that backup players are in the locker room also, right?
I also question the late innings thing
there seems to be too quick of an assumption that of course he would be terrific as the ‘shortstop closer’ if you will. I love the guy and am as PRO Boog as it gets. But I seriously wonder if you get the same razzle-dazzle out of him if he ‘comes in cold,’ especially in pressure situations.
Also, a run saved is a run saved. Boog did a lot of magic in the 2nd, 3rd, and 5th innings last year. Plays that few others in the league, and certainly no Cardinal MIF could have made. And as a starter he would have a hell of a lot more chances to do precisely that, as opposed to the very occasional (and only assumed result) of, “boy, Boog really saved Franklin’s bacon on that play.”
Start him, for goodness sake!
Yes, his batting avg and on-base percentage were poor last year, but he has a career strikeout rate of only .138
by the Tewk on Dec 11, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
More like resignation to me
I’d prefer Ryan at SS, and Theriot at 2B. That appears to be off the table at this point, so I just want him on the roster at this point, knowing that things in reality hardly ever go the way they do in theory.
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 11, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
hoooo whoaaaa!
Pero de permanecer activo en las Mayores, su hermano Yadier Molina estaría más que complacido de tenerlo en su camerino.
!
"Hubo acercamientos de San Luis a Bengie. Ellos quieren traerlo, pero están esperando por lo que decida Bengie, si juega o no", manifestó Yadier Molina al ser abordado
!!!
"Si él decide jugar todos los días, que busque un buen contrato con otro equipo y que juegue, porque sé que puede hacerlo todavía. Pero si piensa en el retiro y quiere estar tranquilo como backup catcher, entonces yo lo quiero conmigo", insistió el menor de los Molina.
awwww.
also !!!!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Giant translated block quote incoming
The veteran catcher Bengie Molina has not yet decided whether he will play next season in the majors or, finally decides to retire.
But to stay active in the majors, his brother Yadier Molina would be more than happy to have him in his dressing room.
The Cardinals have expressed interest that the greatest Molina, 36, joins the ranks of the ninth as a backup catcher for his little brother.
But it all depends on whether you want to be active or not.
“There have been approaches from San Luis to Bengie. They want to bring, but are waiting for Bengie decide what, if he plays or not, "said Yadier Molina to be addressed for the First Time.
“He is in three and two. Do not know yet. I love to see stay in the family, but the decision is his, "he said.
Bengie Molina debuted in 1998 with the then Anaheim Angels, with whom he won his first World Series ring in 2002.
In 2006 went to Toronto and since 2007, wore the shirt of the San Francisco Giants until midway through the season was traded to the Texas Rangers, with whom he reached the World Series.
He batted .249 with five homers and 36 RBIs in the regular season, but was very productive in the playoffs, when he averaged .292, including two homers.
If you eventually decide to sign with San Luis, would be the second time that shares the catcher with a brother.
Between 1999 and 2005, was the regular catcher for the Angels, his brother Jose “Cheo” Molina was the backup catcher.
In the midst of the playoffs, Bengie confessed that he considered hanging up the spikes at the end of the 2010 season.
“If he decides to play every day, looking for a good contract with another team and play, because I know I can do yet. But if you think about retirement and wants to be quiet as a backup catcher, then I want you with me, "insisted the younger of the Molinas.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
see, I don't think Bengie will be able to swallow being a quiet backup.
Yadi runs a third of the team, in his own way. I dunno.
…I would be okay with it if Mama came along as a tie-breaker.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Mamma said
This just made me think of the Vaughan Brothers. Stevie Ray playing with his brother Jimmy. I still miss SRV…
"I always thought he was very handsome. I liked his eyes" - My late Grandmother referring to Rogers Hornsby
by Hoosier Cards on Dec 10, 2010 11:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
+1
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 10, 2010 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
St. Louis' PBS station is playing a recording of a session with SRV and Albert King done in 1983.
No wonder Albert King referred to SRV as his white son. Friggin awesome.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 11, 2010 2:41 AM EST up reply actions
Think of the awesomeness that would be Yadi moving to 1st late in a game and
Bengie coming in at C. With a runner on first Bengie snap throws to Yadi to complete the pickoff.
Epic.
Bob Feller is THE prime example of a cranky old man...working with him a 8:00 AM has to be one of the most dangerous jobs in America.
The "greatest" Molina? Translation fail.
StanTheManFan
Contributes any way he can.
He's normally a nuclear physicist
Except when writing for this list.
by StanTheManFan on Dec 10, 2010 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
'great' can also mean girth
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 10, 2010 11:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I certainly would not equate Boog to either Ozzie Smith or Garry Templeton
but the situation may be somewhat similar. Templeton was a perfectly decent shortstop who’d got so crosswise with both team and fans that he just HAD to be traded. Ozzie was having his own issues with San Diego, and at that time, had given no indications that he would ever be anything beyond a great-field-no-hit late-inning replacement. The Cardinals obviously “won” that trade, when Ozzie turned into a decent-hitting shortstop to go with the spectacular defense, but it’s easy to forget that Templeton was decent for the Padres for a long time too.
Thing is: is there really a Tempy out there to Boog’s Ozzie? Somebody who needs a change of scenery or has similar issues, but has the potential to be good if the issues are addressed? I’m not aware of one.
StanTheManFan
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He's normally a nuclear physicist
Except when writing for this list.
by StanTheManFan on Dec 10, 2010 9:41 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
the yunel escobar-alex gonzalez trade is the most recent version
Of such a trade. Similar personal struggles between club and SS (braves and escobar), notwithstanding SS’s talent.
Not sure who the current a-gon would be.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Dec 10, 2010 10:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Boog is actually a hybrid of Ozzie and Templeton...
bad seed + outrageous defense/no bat = BR
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
yeah you know...
a trouble maker, a flake, a miscreant, a degenerate, a reprobate, a rapscallion, a scallywag… like Templeton.
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
I've never seen Boog flip off the home crowd....like Templeton.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 11, 2010 2:43 AM EST up reply actions
Well, he spins so fast,
who could tell.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 11, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
but he's not that
he’s just goofy. Ok, he’s a flake, but he’s not Milton Bradley or Carlos Zambrano.
yeah, he's not that big of a distraction
Bonds was a complete asshole, also. and people learned to get a long with him
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2010 4:21 AM EST up reply actions
In which Danup plays "Angry blog leader"
he said the P-I-S-S-E-D word and said G-U-T-S too…
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Speaking of basketball...
Would you start off a bunch of 3rd grade girls with man to man or zone?
Same question for 5th grade boys.
I'd say zone at that age
Man to man is a lot about positioning to contest the passing lanes, and then helping and rotating. Kids tend to just stay glued to their man come hell or high water.
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 10, 2010 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
This is what I have done in the past
Zone turns into a bunch of kids chasing each other, spreading out the defense, and driving the lane once it’s cleared out.
I think zone is easier for younger kids to grasp, especially if they are less athletically inclined.
With my 4th graders, we had lots of success playing a tight zone, a pressure zone, and a box and one.
I have just heard that you HAVE to teach man first, but don’t see why (or agree).
Maybe just work some shell drills in
See how they do with it. If they do really well, then you can try to work in some man. Even if they don’t do so well, they’re still having to think about defending areas/people away from the ball, and getting some man fundamentals for down the road.
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 11, 2010 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
Assuming you have 10 on your team
Set up 5 people around the 3 point arc. Keep the offense stationary in this drill at that age. If they are guarding the ball, have them on the man forcing a drive to one side or the other – usually teach weak hand at the point and baseline on the wings. If they are one pass away, then they deny the pass positioning them a few steps toward the ball. If they are 2 or more passes/people away, they should be positioned in the lane so that if someone with the ball beats their man help is there and they are forced to make another pass to the perimeter. Rotate the offense and defense in and out and just make them pass real slow around the perimeter and tell them where to be positioned. If you don’t have 10, it still works 4 on 4 too.
If they really get it (thinking 5th graders here), then you can start working on their rotations off the drive, but I just don’t know if you can get that deep at that age. If you can, congrats.
I might still do the drill for about 15 mins or so a practice, but they’d have to really wow you to move out of a zone I think. I think what others are saying is good advice. Zone first. If someone is burning you, then box and one. And if someone else after that is hurting you, then maybe even triangle and 2. If you play man at that age, one thing that might work is telling them that if their guy doesn’t have the ball that they should have one foot in the lane and be between the ball and their man.
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 11, 2010 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks
My favorite drill to date is a game called flickerball that I learned in college. Basically, you play basketball but with no dribbling. It’s all passing (chest passes or just limit it to bounce passes if those need work).
I got multiple compliments last year from refs who said they had never seen a team move the ball as well as my guys did.
Like I said, it's ridiculously effective
I first used it to teach my older son’s team how to beat a man press.
I modeled my game after Steve Kerr
I’m short and can’t really bring the ball up the floor or defend a quick point guard, but don’t leave me open.
Yeah, that strategy really took me places.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
I was a 6'2" post player
That took me places also
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 11, 2010 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
I love HS height
6’2" freshman? You’re our center!
Never grows another inch? Well, you’re screwed. But our 6’4" PG on varsity is awesome!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Soccer!
I discovered that I was lousy at basketball, so I played soccer in the winter in St. Louis….the only city I know that played that sport in that season. Do they still play soccer in the winter there in schools?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 11, 2010 12:41 AM EST up reply actions
Fall sport now
Screw the stupid football jerks.
by thepainguy on Dec 11, 2010 12:42 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
HS boys play in fall semester.
HS girls play in Spring.
CYC youth play in fall and winter. I have not-so-fond memories of running on frozen ground.
Maybe our Yanks would do a little bit better in the EPL
if we stopped coddling them and playing futbol during warmish weather.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Maybe.
If my pre-teen/early-teen self can tough it out, there’s no reason grown men with better fields and equipment can’t.
Of course, will the fans turn out?
no.
my only hope for soccer to actually take off in this country is if Latin immigration forces it to be popular (worked for empanadas! delicious empanadas!) and Lord only knows they won’t do cold weather!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
I'm just glad I live in an area that embraces soccer,
but is old-school enough to be competitive about it. No hippie soccer for me.
sigh
my club (Newcastle) takes on my best friend’s club (Liverpool) tomorrow at 11:30 in the first televised Newcastle match in months? And where will I be? At the Amsterdam yelling in his face? no. I’ll be sampling terrible wine in hermann, mo.
This is the first time I’ve ever been upset I’ll be drinking.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Yeah
I was a keeper, and my feet often froze to the ground, and the rest of me froze, too. 15°F, with a windchill factor of 5°. Miserable weather. But I love the sport, and when I moved to a city where they played it in the fall, I enjoyed it even more.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 11, 2010 12:49 AM EST up reply actions
Every game, I spent one half in goal and one half as center.
When I played indoor I think we had three periods, and I was keeper 1 or 2, center the rest. I greatly prefer the outdoor game.
I was the first keeper coach of
my college’s women’s soccer team, became a varsity sport spring of ‘79, when I was a junior. I’ve always preferred to coach women or girls, ever since (coached my daughter for about 4-5 seasons), and I love watching women’s soccer. Mia Hamm was the bomb!
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 11, 2010 1:19 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah.
Women are crazy on the field. I’ve been punched more than once. Had my hair pulled several times. Lots of errant elbows. I think women can be more vindictive on the field. Bitches were always trying to slide tackle me, but I had excellent field awareness and was good at evading their efforts. The ONLY time I was ever slide tackled was by a faster and stronger guy in a coed league. Messed up my knee.
At the same time, there were fewer prima donnas on my teams than, say, my brother’s. I think we shared the ball and responsibility better as teammates.
fewer prima donnas, fewer dick suckers.
FEMALE SOCCER!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
have you ever seen
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 11, 2010 1:44 AM EST up reply actions
it's the New Mexico girl
who was probably the dirtiest player ever [caught on camera]…
she punched a girl, jerked her down using her ponytail, kicked a ball in the face of another… and she only got a yellow card for it all…
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 11, 2010 1:50 AM EST up reply actions
I've been on the receiving end of coordinated attacks
when in goal while playing indoor. Refs never noticed.
it's amazing how much refs miss
and yet… i find myself sympathizing with them because they only have two eyes…
never been a ref, not planning on it either
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 11, 2010 1:54 AM EST up reply actions
after doing something like that
you are pretty much forced to apologize so i’m not gonna give her too much credit for that
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 12, 2010 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah
I was a 6’1" freshman. Honestly we had 3 good guards and nothing in the post, so it worked out good for me. I set screens. I boxed out. And every once in a while I got a putback. We pressed a ton of teams, so I’d just try to outrun the guy that was guarding me (and weighed 50 pounds more than me) down the floor for some cheap buckets too.
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 11, 2010 12:51 AM EST up reply actions
i made the team as a freshman
as a 6"0 forward, grew 4" in season, and was forced into the backup center role “because i was tall now”, having never played the position in my life. found out theres a big difference between forward and center. also didn’t help that in that time that i grew 4", i didn’t gain a pound.
6"0, 160 lb forward is one thing. 6"4, 160 lb center is, well, unfortunate.
Kyle Lohse has a No-Trade Clause.
i'm 6ft & was the center
i got killed when we played bigger school
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
We used to do the same thing
In high school to practice for teams that zone pressed. Couldn’t dribble until the ball got to the 3 point line.
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 11, 2010 12:35 AM EST up reply actions
(you're from Central Illinois, no?)
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Yeah
I used to live in Chillicothe, but moved to Normal area in HS and went to a private school there.
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 11, 2010 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
U-High?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Sigh
Calvary Baptist…
We weren’t IHSA, but we played farm schools like Eureka, Gridley, Chenoa, Lexington, and a steady dose of Peoria Christian and Decatur Christian’s of the world.
We also had cheerleaders that had skirts down to their knees, and were given demerits for not wearing a tie on gameday.
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 11, 2010 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
WOW
No offense, but I’ve never even heard of your school. Sounds… fun?
I was lucky enough to sit on the end of the bench for Peoria Notre Dame’s only IHSA Regional Cahampionship my senior year. Should have won that heartbreaker, too (this is where I slip into Shoter’s character in Hoosiers).
We too had to wear ties, but that was everyday, and had mass the mornings of game days. And most of our cheerleaders, while showing skin, were not cute. But some were!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
It wasn't exactly Ridgemont High
And I don’t think it got any better since from what I hear. We did take basketball seriously then. Our coach was pretty sharp. Like 25 years old, his dad coached some college program in Wisconsin. Unfortunately, our “headmaster” didn’t like him and he left after our senior year. They’ve been a big pile of suck since then, so there is really no reason for anyone to have heard of them for anything athletically.
Did you play with Randle?
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 11, 2010 1:00 AM EST up reply actions
Coached him at a few camps when he was in grade school
he was an eighth grader at St Marks when i was a senior. 12 years later (!) I still remember his performance in the 8th grade diocesan championship game. His team lost but he scored like 42 of the 55 points. It was incredible.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
He’d bring the ball up the floor, pass it to the wing, go post up, get the feed, make a move and score. It was ridiculous.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
I saw him
At the Christmas tourney in B-N and he was impressive. He could really finish! Did you ever play Normal West in the first round of the regional?
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 11, 2010 1:14 AM EST up reply actions
1997
and I dont want to talk about it.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Don't feel too bad
We got served up to the Lions…err, Rams, a few days later
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 11, 2010 1:19 AM EST up reply actions
the 1998 sectional was the heartbreaker against the Lions (Peoria Central) I mentioned earlier
there is one guy on our team that I still refuse to speak to. He threw up a 25 foot three attempt while we were up by one with under a minute to play for no reason. Lost by three. I’ll honestly never get over that loss.
We would have gone on to play Manual for the right to play at super-sectionals. We lost to Manual by two possessions the last time we played each other and when I talked to their off guard (we worked at Thompson food basket together) he said they were a lot more scared of us than they were of Central.
Oh, high school.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Although getting to play in Bradley University's old airplane hanger of a gym
for the right to rep one of the best basketball cities in america was pretty damn cool.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Playing at Robertson
is awesome. Wish I would have got to go to a Bradley game when they played there. My parents went to a few. I started going during the Hawkins years, which I why I still somehow think, 25 years later, that they should be better than they are.
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 11, 2010 1:39 AM EST up reply actions
I honestly cant believe they tore it down
that hurt me more than tearing down Busch 2.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
They tore down Robertson?
Dammit.
Saw two of the greatest freakin’ games ever there.
Regional Semi and Final
Springfield High (with Tyrone Lee) vs Peoria Manual (with Jerry Hester). And then SHS vs Peoria Central (with Beau Smith).
We rolled Manual by 30 after our 6’1" PG drove the lane and dunked on Hester (and one!) halfway through the first quarter. Manual was stunned from that point on. That was the year before Manual ran off 4 straight titles.
Then a couple nights later scored 6 points with 16 seconds left to force OT and then won.
Of course Danville (with Keon Clark) rolled us at the Super in ISU, but still it felt good to go into Peoria and beat the home teams.
/highschool
/getoffmylawn
Brendan Ryan is still a St. Louis Cardinal.
Aaron Miles is not.
Was that Marlon Brooks?
God, Manual was loaded with talent. McClain, Williams, Griffin, and Brooks.
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 11, 2010 1:45 AM EST up reply actions
In 97'
we watched the super, and Frank Williams bombed about a 25-30 footer with the clock running out to knock out Vershaw and EP. He was just dribbled out there as the clock was running down and we were all wondering what the hell he was doing. I guess he knew what he was doing.
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 11, 2010 1:48 AM EST up reply actions
Ha!
I remeber that one. Did you ever get a chance to see Ronnie Fields’ play? (Yes he played with Kevin Garnett, but that was FIELDS’ team).
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Vaguely
I think. Didn’t he about jump over someone to tomahawk one in the quarterfinals? I’m not sure if I even saw it but I remember people talking about it.
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 11, 2010 1:55 AM EST up reply actions
it wasn't during a real tourney
but he jumped over Sergio McClain (as in Ronnie’s nuts were on top of Sergio’s head) and dunked on him during the River City Shootout, circa 1995-ish.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Yeah
I did not see that, but I heard all about it.
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 11, 2010 2:00 AM EST up reply actions
Vershaw (Wisco) and Jennings (Vandy), right?
the twin towers? 2 6’11" guys both w/ outside range. We had to play them in the Canton Thanksgiving tourney that year. They were insane.
(Of course we played Mike Robinson’s Richwood teams, AJ Guyton’s Central teams, and The U of I junior (Manual) all twice a year, so we we were used to getting out butts kicked.)
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
The other dude
Went to Valpo I think. The other thing about that game, beside Frank Williams brass balls, that I’ll always remember is that their coach used Vershaw to break the Manual press. And the guy did a damn good job of it too. That was impressive.
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 11, 2010 1:58 AM EST up reply actions
Jason Jennings went to Valpo, you're right
both those guys could really shoot for being 7 footers.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
I think it's safe to say
That you played in the greatest era of Peoria high school basketball, and I don’t say that lightly. Pretty cool experience. Mike Robinson was a load, and where did Richwoods finish in the conference? Pekin even had that kid who went to NIU, and a few other good players. You had Woodruff as a likely win, and that was about it.
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 11, 2010 3:16 AM EST up reply actions
that sounds similar to my elementary & middle school
it was hell
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Yeah
I’ve blocked out a lot of the bad and think about the good. I was in no way prepared for college life, I can assure you of that.
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 11, 2010 1:16 AM EST up reply actions
This...
I think what others are saying is good advice. Zone first. If someone is burning you, then box and one. And if someone else after that is hurting you, then maybe even triangle and 2. If you play man at that age, one thing that might work is telling them that if their guy doesn’t have the ball that they should have one foot in the lane and be between the ball and their man.
…is exactly what my experience tells me.
I think the thing is that I’m not a hard core basketball guy. I don’t have any prejudices. I just go with what works.
And man doesn’t work for grade school rec at least.
I do like the one foot in the lane suggestion. That reduces the wandering and does help to gum up the lane (which I like).
when i was in rec ball in elementary school
we usually did zone. I think zone is better with little kids cause they don’t have near the shooting range. Man just get’s really cloggy. If the other team has a shooter though maybe put your best man on him and drop the rest in zone.
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
I guess some people think zone is cheap for this reason
Especially for girls, it’s a way to basically shut down the other team.
But I like it because teaches positional discipline.
This is when I go to box and one
When they have one good guy I man up on him.
If they have several guys who can make the outside shot, then the and one guy plays the ball.
Zone.
or a box and one.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
braintwin
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
That's what I've done in the past
I don’t get the man to man fanatics.
Have they seen little kids try to play it?
What I do is teach a tight zone, then a pressure zone, then a box and one, and then a triangle and two.
You basically ease your way into zone as more and more players get it.
Also, this is rec ball, so I’m dealing with all different levels of talent from good athletes to guys who are basically lost and just on-court observers.
I honestly wouldn't coach man to man
until varsity HS and even then not unless you play a sched heavy in slashers/3 point shooters.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
It has had somewhat of a resurgence.
But there were always some pretty successful coaches using a zone defense. Sorry if I seemed offended.
People tend to be fanatical about it
one way or the other. One benefit of Man can be that assignments for boxing out are really simple. But that assumes they are in the right positions, which goes back to why you probably don’t want them playing man at that age in the first place.
by Merry CRasmus on Dec 11, 2010 1:29 AM EST up reply actions
So why are some people so fanatical about zone?
What’s the logic?
That they won’t be ready for HS?
These are third graders. They’ve got time to learn.
Normally, yeah
same people who hate zones hate actually running an offense, normally.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Well, with the zone that I've seen...
…there’s certainly lots of opportunity for offense, and not much need to coach offense. You just have everyone run around until someone can cut to the basket.
But it’s just too much random running around and chasing the ball for my tastes.
You’re also vulnerable to getting torn up by a team with one really good guy who can drive the basket.
Box and one, my man.
Box and one.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
This is mostly what I ended up doing last year
Now a “pro” has taken over the team and we’re getting spanked. Guys are just stretching us out and driving on us.
28-9 tonight.
But we’re getting spanked the right way, I guess?
I will be honest with you
I have no idea how to coach a basketball team that loses when the other team scores 28 points. Unless one team just held the ball for three quarters.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
We were a bit outclassed
They had 2 tall guys.
But I would have locked us down into a packed zone and forced them to prove that they could make the outside shot.
What has the world come to if I can't get away from basketball on VEB?
Why oh why doesn’t AT&T Uverse carry MLB Network?
U-Verse has two flaws
1) No MLB Network
2) Fox Soccer Channel is not in HD
Other than that, it is the perfect cable/internet carrier.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
so... those singers in the hyundai commercial
what are they on?
they’re going for hipster-delightful, but their eyes are … creepy.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
whoa that's actually pretty fun to listen to.
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
it's fun
if I don’t look at them
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Dec 10, 2010 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
I prefer Art of Noise.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 11, 2010 12:52 AM EST up reply actions
Ok, no
this is now my new favorite version of this song.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 11, 2010 12:58 AM EST up reply actions
they are definitely a different sound
i really liked this song
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 11, 2010 1:38 AM EST up reply actions
"My Ears Literally Just Came..."
great quote.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 11, 2010 1:52 AM EST up reply actions
that's youtube commenters for ya...
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 11, 2010 1:53 AM EST up reply actions
This looks like it was an original by them
love it.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 11, 2010 1:54 AM EST up reply actions
big boi ftw!
“Drip drip drop/there goes an eargasm/now I got you coming out the side of your face”
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Dec 12, 2010 2:25 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
These videos are the most hilarious things I have seen in forever.
(Beware, it is 23 minutes long, but every minute is hilarious)
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
holy shit i can't breathe and I'm crying
thank you…
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 11, 2010 1:08 AM EST up reply actions
Pardon the French
But if Mo is “secretly” trying to sabotage the whole thing, he is a toolbox. Maybe it’s the whiskey, but I’d like to believe Mo knows more than me, which is far less than many here, and even I know ditching Ryan is stupid. All this passive-aggressive-maybe-but-not-really-but-sorta-but-no-but-yes crap is getting really old with this team. And sadly, he reflects a majority of the Cardinal fan base/general populous. Theriot over Ryan is absurd in the same conversation as Skip holding his job. Period. If Mo doesn’t know this AND cannot make his point off this, then he is as bad as LaRussa. Why all the walking on eggshells? I have seen less, on a weekly basis, pussy-footing amongst people who make WAY less than these two individuals. Is it so hard to make good money and have to own up to something? And for the record, I both like LaRussa and couldn’t care less. I think he is an ego-maniacal old-school manager which I both like and think is no longer useful. Really couldn’t care less. I honestly believe a mean-spirited computer could do his job better. Azruvatar?
by ajo080s on Dec 11, 2010 12:54 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
i think DeWitt has made it clear to MO TLR calls a lot of shots
i don’t think MO has a choice in many player decisions
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Maybe
But to me that level of cross-contamination among job descriptions makes me question my loyalty to anything, much less a for-profit org. This is the kind of management that makes me refuse to give them $35 for the rights to a specialized license plate. I know, small beans right, but it’s all I got. Plus, seriously, how hard is it to describe job duties and stick to it. It’s like a high school principal that can’t follow a handbook. Ridiculous.
i'm all about fun times & happy things
i actually agree with you. it’s not rocket science, it’s running the best freaking team in the history of the NL. they shouldn’t be doing all this shit & screwing up so often. it’s not that hard. play the best 9, no favorites, no take backs. TLR just can’t seem to do the simple things though. he has to prove he’s the smartest man in the room all the damn time.
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
you forgot control freak
which is, granted, just another manifestation of his ego
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
good news
i just saved about $250 on my car insurance torrenting my two most expensive textbooks
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
great job!
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 12, 2010 4:24 AM EST up reply actions
Later, ya'll
rui’s mom is making me come to bed.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Dec 11, 2010 2:02 AM EST reply actions 6 recs
Oh come on that is blatantly ridiculous
She’s old and Asian! She goes to bed at like 9:00!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
sure that is when she starts but she doesn't get through everyone untill at least 3AM
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
by TomCat009 on Dec 11, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Dude. That's cold.
Funny, but cold.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 11, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
honestly
would brendan ryan be under such intense fire if the other side of the MIF didn’t have an equally terrible year? it seems so easy to blame all the problems on the MIF, because it’s one general zone and encompasses more than one player. if skip had been Skip this year, i doubt ryan gets quite the flak he has been getting.
Kyle Lohse has a No-Trade Clause.
Skip ended up the year looking like Skip.
But he still plays D like there’s a dogsled tied to his ass.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 11, 2010 9:00 AM EST up reply actions
skip will have some positive regression going too
people forget that, but his D won’t get any better.
Fire John Mozeliak
Dammit.
I think Ryan would still catch flak, because TLR decided that Ryan is the whipping boy and doesn’t want him around. And the sheeple just follow the leader.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Dec 11, 2010 9:05 AM EST up reply actions
agree on the unfair load on Boog
the lack of offense elsewhere weight was not just Schu. Yadi didn’t really alleviate; the second half debacle at 3b; a poor bench overall.
If Ryan labored for the Yankees, or the Sawx, (and a handful of other teams) he would easily add five or more wins to their season, just as he is.
mlbtr "just said"
giants offered edgar 1M
i’d prefer him in red for that price
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
screwing over the WS MVP
sounds like something we did not too long ago…
hey Mo: theriot at 2B, boog at SS.
KEEP BRENDAN RYAN.
SIGN BENGIE MOLINA.
by zoomzoomj88 on Dec 11, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
By insulting him with $30 odd million?
The Red Sox ended up paying about $22 million for 1 WAR.
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
true
but we didn’t even offer eckstein a contract post-WS, IIRC.
hey Mo: theriot at 2B, boog at SS.
KEEP BRENDAN RYAN.
SIGN BENGIE MOLINA.
by zoomzoomj88 on Dec 11, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
Aaron Miles might outhit Albert Pujols in a 7 game series
Doesn’t mean that he deserves another contract
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
His shortness made a better narrative for Joe Buck...
Rolen was the best player.
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
and speaking of 3B...
i don’t know how on earth mo thinks that freese will be just fine despite having glass ankles. we have nobody in the minors that would be any good right now, and post-rolen we haven’t had any decent 3B at all.
hey Mo: theriot at 2B, boog at SS.
KEEP BRENDAN RYAN.
SIGN BENGIE MOLINA.
by zoomzoomj88 on Dec 11, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
zoom...
time to make the coffee buddy. Glaus was good, Carpenter is a legit option for the future, and Freese really will be ready. Ryan can also back up.
Lohse has a no-trade clause. Please tell your friends.
You make it sound like the Cardinals are the Cubs post-Santo.
Brendan Ryan is still a St. Louis Cardinal.
Aaron Miles is not.
but eckstein isn't good...
and I don’t think you should sign people based off World Series MVPs..
DONNIE FUCKING JONES FOR PRO BOWL!
by stlcardsfan4 on Dec 12, 2010 1:02 AM EST up reply actions

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