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manager longevity

sparky anderson passed away this week. it sounded like the end was ugly for him - he went into hospice care for dementia the day before his death was announced. anyone who has experience with a loved one who ends up with serious dementia or alzheimers knows how sad it is to see a body outlive a mind.

for me, being of a certain age, sparky was a craggy face on an old set of Topps baseball cards (he was a Tiger, then). it's funny to me that anderson, whose temper was so infamous it gave him his "name." had a smile that was warm and grandfatherly, a smile that drew you in immediately. not being a detroit fan, i never had a reason to become familiar with him before his retirement. stll, it's funny to me that a man whose obituary can't wait to introduce his temper till the second paragraph smiled so much. look at the pictures of him from his managing years. he's smiling in almost every one.

also, the dude was old before he was even old. check out this picture from 1976 -- 34 years ago for those of you too tired/hungover to do math on a saturday morning. he was 76 when he died this week.

it's simply too tempting not to contrast him with our own resident veteran manager. tony's smiles are few and far between, usually involving him holding a dog. yet our dour manager is almost infamous for not blowing up at umpires and the like -- and here, i can't resist posting what remains a favorite Onion piece on famous manager tantrums. in amongst jim leyland siccing a pack of ravenous wolves on an umpire and earl weaver blowing a manager's jaw off with a shotgun, comes this:

1990: During his younger, more wild days, Athletics head coach Tony La Russa steps out from the dugout, tells the umpire, "that was not a very good call," and then steps back into the dugout.

a dour, non-confrontational thinker v. a smiling, fiery feeler? yes, the classic baseball narrative tells us who to favor there.

one of the more striking features of a pretty astonishing summary of anderson's life in baseball was this -- when anderson retired in 1995, he was the third winningest manager in history. today, he is the sixth. so, in 15 years, three managers won 2190+ games, after three managers won as many games in the previous 100-odd years. 

Star-divide

so, the question for today is: why did it suddenly become possible for tony la russa, bobby cox, and joe torre to win 2200 games and more in the late twentieth and early twenty-first centuries, when it had been so challenging before?

other generational discrepancies have more obvious answers, like the sudden spike in people hitting 500 career HR or better (strength training, small parks, steroids). but why would it suddenly become easier to win a lot of games? after all, by the nature of a sport with no ties -- well, absent assists from bud selig -- in every game, one manager wins and one manager loses. unlike home runs, there are the same number of wins in a season, right?

well, no -- i suppose one factor could be the expansion of the seasons to 162 games, which took place in 1961 (AL)and 1962 (NL). the two leagues had various and changing season lengths prior to those years. the leagues mostly held 154-game seasons in the twentieth century, although a few seasons were as short as 140. in the very early days in the nineteenth century, seasons as short as 60 or 70 games were played. realistically, though, for twentieth century managers, you're looking at adding maybe 5 wins a season on average for playing in the modern era versus the 154-game schedule that predominated before the Mercury missions.

for instance, tommy lasorda managed the same number of seasons (21) as notorious baseball villain cap anson. since anson managed in the late nineteenth century, lasorda ended up 800 more games and 300 more wins than anson, even though anson had much more success (.576) compared to lasorda (.526).

it's not just the number of games played per season - it's the number of seasons managed. i count 33 managers who began managing between 1901 and 1961 who managed at least 10 years in the majors. i count 37 who began managing from 1962 through 2000 who managed at least 10 years in the majors. it's no mystery that the secret to amassing enormous win totals is continuing to manage. you really have to win just enough games not to get fired - or own your own team, like connie mack, who managed for an absurd fifty-three years. sorting the managerial records by number of wins produces very similar results to sorting by number of seasons managed. it's a lot better to be a .500 manager for 20 years that a .600 manager for 15, if you want to establish yourself on the managerial wins list.

it's also well worth noting that there are more teams and, hence, more managers to manage games. to test this out, let's see the proportions of managers from each era. of the 31 managers who have managed exactly five seasons, seven began managing in 1962 or later. of the top 31 managers by numbers of season, twelve began managing in 1962 or later. so, there's some effect there from having more team, and some other effect going on.

another factor in managers lasting for moreseasons could be Lipitor - well, not literally Lipitor, but modern medicine. a simple fact is that if you get Ejected by the Big Umpire, and end up watching the rest of the game from the Clubhouse in the Sky, you stop collecting wins.

another factor could be that managers have begun managing at younger and younger ages -- i am not going to go back and try to figure everybody's age at time of hiring, but intuitively, this strikes me as wrong. if anything, it should run in reverse -- the player-manager was a staple of early ball, and it has largely died out, pete rose notwithstanding. while you do see younger managers in the modern era - sparky anderson began in his thirties - a penchant for letting guys still in their playing years manage should lead to young managers as a general rule. that said, most player managers did not make it very far. their managing days rarely long survived the end of their playing days.

the player manager thing makes me wonder about another change in baseball: have we accepted more the idea that a manager is a useful and important part of the club? that good managers are "geniuses" that we need to hold onto? the prominence of the player-manager in earlier days suggests more that managers were an after-thought, that managing was something anyone could do, sort of like playing second base. i think another major factor is the acceptance of the professional manager as holding an important place at the heart of the club.

whether in fact that piece of conventional wisdom contains any actual wisdom is an open question.

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There is no way Sparky was 76 years old when he passed.

That picture is 34 years old. That means Sparky was the oldest looking 42 year old in history. HE LOOKED LIKE HE WAS 76 YEARS OLD 34 YEARS AGO!!!! HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE???

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by Alxfritz on Nov 6, 2010 12:59 PM EDT reply actions  

hmm.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Nov 6, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

so did I

must be a technicality of some kind. Definitely good news.

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by SleepyCA on Nov 6, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually, it might be as simple as

he is “arb eligible”, not “super-two”.

That would be bad news, actually, since it means he has a year less club control :(

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by SleepyCA on Nov 6, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmmm

Baseball Reference says he is (if I’m reading it right)

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/garcija02.shtml

Does DL time count? Otherwise I wouldn’t think he would, because he’s pitched one full year and just a very little of another.

I can’t remember any of the circumstances, but it seems rather odd to bring him up in 2008…

by DiscoJer on Nov 6, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes, DL time counts as service time

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by SleepyCA on Nov 7, 2010 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

the posting crew is slacking.

must be because it’s the offseason.

/f’n zoomzoom is imminent

by zoomzoomj88 on Nov 6, 2010 1:42 PM EDT reply actions  

There's always a Freak Factor to things like this.

Yes, three of the top six all-time in managing wins are contemporary. But only four more managers in the top 50 were active in 2010 — Lou Piniella, Jim Leyland, Dusty Baker(!), Bruce Bochy. Not many more in the top 50 were even recent (say since 2000; that adds Davey Johnson (barely), Tom Kelly, Art Howe, Bobby Valentine).

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by StanTheManFan on Nov 6, 2010 3:21 PM EDT reply actions  

I wish Strauss would discontinue with his rumor mongering

http://www.prorumors.com/2010/11/rumors/pujols-chance-of-staying-with-cards-maybe-less-than-50-percent

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 6, 2010 3:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Pujols won't even give Strauss the time of day anymore

And hasn’t, for over a year. I doubt if he has any more insight into Pujols’ attitude than any of us.

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by SleepyCA on Nov 6, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

BTW I kind of like the leaderboard graphic on that site

not the best representation, but kind of interesting. Since fangraphs has kind of stagnated, it’s nice to see others picking the ball up and running with it, especially if they are just news-repeater sites.

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by SleepyCA on Nov 6, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, I liked the graphic a lot too

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 6, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've always thought it's weird that once you go off the main page, only fanposts are visible, and not the fanshots

why, sbn? why?

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 6, 2010 3:38 PM EDT reply actions  

it's partly clutter management

perhaps a step towards bcb

of course, the proportion of junk fanposts and junk fanshots seem to be the same, so it may not make a diff either way. i know i dump all my less involved stuff in fanshots.

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by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

that first sentence should have some subjunctive somewhere...

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by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

good article

written in 2006

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by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2010 3:48 PM EDT reply actions  

it's hard to say how "good" those 3 managers are

all three managed a good portion of games with lucrative franchises. they are probably a creation of the market.

Larussa mostly managed the A’s and the Cardinals, during historically prime years for both teams. they also had good hitting and pitching for most of the duration of his managing.

Bobby Cox mostly managed the Braves, who had their own network similar to what the Cubs had with WGN. i.e. national broadcasts. they had plenty of fans, and plenty of revenue to give Bobby competitive teams for most of his tenure.

Torre managed of lot of games for none other than the New York Yankees, and of course the Dodgers are another high payroll team. seems that the market allowed these guys to rack up a ton of wins, since once they hit a point in their careers they were in high demand from good teams. not to take anything away from their accomplisments, but it is probably a much bigger factor.

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 6, 2010 3:49 PM EDT reply actions  

there's this other quote I'm looking for, but for now...
In 2005, Anderson surrendered third place on the victories list to Tony La Russa. As a young manager with the Chicago White Sox, La Russa frequently sought out Anderson and absorbed his wisdom before their teams played.
Anderson’s advice to La Russa was typical of his boil-it-down, common-sense approach. It included the recommendation to use position players according to their strengths and to avoid putting them in spots that would expose their weaknesses.
"Those tips he gave me saved my baseball life," La Russa said in 2005.
In 2006, La Russa’s St. Louis Cardinals beat the Tigers in the World Series, making La Russa the only other manager besides Anderson to win the World Series in the American and National Leagues.
"It’s such a great honor – he really should have this alone," La Russa said the night the Cardinals won the 2006 Series.

By JOHN LOWE and JOHN ERARDI • Gannett • November 4, 2010

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by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2010 3:56 PM EDT reply actions  

2 Factors rush immediately to mind. . .

1) With more playoff teams and more divisions, it’s easier to have “success” as a manager. These days, you just have to win a division or a third of the time, finish second in the division. It’s easier to be the best of 4, 5, or 6 teams or the best second place team out of the others than it was to be the best of 8 or 10 teams in the pre-divisional play days.

2) Steinbrenner stopped being Steinbrenner. That explains Torre, anyway.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Nov 6, 2010 4:29 PM EDT reply actions  

and I can't find the quote

it was a made-for-tom-s. comparison between TLR and Sparky. something like the quoted actually drew this comparison, and how young players flourish under the discipline — how they were both the most prepared in baseball, except Sparky managed from his gut.

but this is the closest I can find:

McEnaney remembered Anderson as a disciplinarian who had two sets of rules – a lenient set for veterans and a strict set for younger players.

“He made sure the young guys played the game the way it was supposed to be played. There was a dress code, there was a hair code. He made sure we looked like professional baseball players,’ McEnaney said.

”The older superstars had that same rule, too, probably except Pete Rose. His hair was a little bit longer than most but he earned that right. Younger players like me, we didn’t. That was the whole point of the way he managed that ballclub. Everybody knew their roles.’
Palm Beach Post

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by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2010 4:37 PM EDT reply actions  

aaron miles....

apparently someone thinks miles would be good for us to have. per 101espn:

Aaron Miles, however, is someone that would be a terrific fit back here in St. Louis. For someone who will, undoubtedly, be your last guy off the bench…you can much worse than Aaron Miles.

He can play multiple positions. He is a switch hitter. And most important of all, he does not need to start many games to still give you tough at-bats in late inning pinch hit situations.

The guy even goes as far to say that Soup would be nice for pitching depth. Depth, really?

by zoomzoomj88 on Nov 6, 2010 4:44 PM EDT reply actions  

"Depth"

as in “sinking ship settles into the depths.”

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by StanTheManFan on Nov 6, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Depth, as in crowd extras?

Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork

by TBender on Nov 6, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

make it green

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by gdm426 on Nov 6, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

You should refresh, it's up to 3.

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 6, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Done.

Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork

by TBender on Nov 6, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fam'd?

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by Alxfritz on Nov 6, 2010 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

VEB needs to rule on this attempt at memery

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

fail

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by scoot on Nov 6, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well you know what?

You can, respectfully, SHOVE THAT UP YOUR ASS YOU FUCKING COMMIE.

by vivaelpujols on Nov 6, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

with this bunch

that comment has a better chance of sticking

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by scoot on Nov 7, 2010 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

....

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 6, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aaron Miles' presence on the roster vexes me;

I am vexed.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 7, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Not a bitchslap

Maybe a Fritzlap?

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by redbirdnation8206 on Nov 7, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

thanks for telling me there was a new thread guys jeez

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by prophetjohn on Nov 6, 2010 4:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Uh, yeah, we were totally gonna tell you but we forgot, sorry...

Um, also we drank all your beer… you wouldn’t be planning on going out to get some more would you?

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 6, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

quick, hide the rest of the stuff!

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by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does prophetjohn have a dog? I don't see it anywhere...

Anyway, I hope that was his dog in the first place, because it made a huuuge mess.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 6, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

damnit, guys

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by prophetjohn on Nov 7, 2010 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

tonight could be a doozy

6pm: wedding reception at a bar
10pm: birthday party at a bar

I’m not sure that I will make it to the bday party, since the reception has more of my friends at it. but the bday party is at the Hungry Brain. hmm

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 6, 2010 5:28 PM EDT reply actions  

One comment, tom s.:

You seem to imply that Tony and the others (Cox and Torre) won their 2200+ games in the last 15 years. Not so: since the beginning of 1996, La Russa has won 1318 games, Torre has won 1432, and Cox has won 1389. For La Russa, that’s one win less than 50% of his total wins, for Torre it’s 61.5%, and for Cox it’s about 55.5%.

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 6, 2010 6:31 PM EDT reply actions  

so free agency starts tomorrow.

Has anybody heard anything about Westbrook?

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by spfldbird on Nov 6, 2010 6:40 PM EDT reply actions  

i heard on the street that he's actually good-looking

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Westbrook is waiting.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 6, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

we don't have any with the BOB?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really liked the point.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 6, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

....

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 6, 2010 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is awkward...but...you guys should sign me, ya know?"

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 6, 2010 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

He looks like a more neanderthal-ish Val Kilmer

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 6, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was thinking

Now starring in the Jake Westbrook Story, Mark Wahlberg.

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by Alxfritz on Nov 6, 2010 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

i dunno

he’s like Brad Penny’s respectable brother

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by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2010 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I give up

Just sign me already.

by JWO on Nov 6, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

rec

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 7, 2010 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I want you!!

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by redbirdnation8206 on Nov 7, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok, I know I do not come on here very often

But it is my personal opinion that it would be suicide to not resign Albert Pujols. He is the face of the franchise and although he is not Stan Musial, he is as close to another Stan Musial you can get. He should be signed to the Cardinals for the rest of his career. That being said, I think Strauss is just trying to get attention. I do not think he knows what the Fuck he is talking about. And Albert hates the dude so I have heard

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by ANDYAK47 on Nov 6, 2010 7:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Anyone having baseball withdrawals?

There is hope!

Click here to watch actual baseball being played, featuring our very own Zachary Cox.

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by purple_haze on Nov 6, 2010 9:48 PM EDT reply actions  

who is currently batting

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by purple_haze on Nov 6, 2010 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sweet, glorious baseball. Just in time to see Cox.

Thanks for the alert!

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by The Continental on Nov 6, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cox hits a hotshot right at the third baseman who misplays it

a run scores.

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by purple_haze on Nov 6, 2010 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

the announcers clearly had no idea who Cox was and were just reading off the screen

but they sure know who the Red Sox prospect Jose Iglesias is.

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by purple_haze on Nov 6, 2010 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, cool. They're playing in Surprise.

I hadn’t seen their park before. Looks like a nice place.

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by The Continental on Nov 6, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

John Manuel hints at the crazy beer-soaked world of baseball scouting

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by purple_haze on Nov 6, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

John Manuel seems like a guy I could probe for baseball knowledge for hours.

He just has so much info.

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
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by purple_haze on Nov 6, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really really miss baseball , Cardinals baseball from 2006 type baseball

"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"

Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."

by riftraftredbird on Nov 6, 2010 10:15 PM EDT reply actions  

yeah, i sure miss those losing streaks

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by Yadi2Second on Nov 6, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

even the losing streaks were better than nothing

"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"

Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."

by riftraftredbird on Nov 6, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really want Cox to bat this inning

so that I can hear what John Manuel has to say about him

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Nov 6, 2010 10:17 PM EDT reply actions  

any of our photo experts

have suggestions of favorite photo editing software and blogs for advice?

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by scoot on Nov 7, 2010 12:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Wow

Please keep sharing stories like this. I guess your comment was posted pretty late, but I really expected more replies.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 7, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

very cool.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 7, 2010 6:50 PM EST up reply actions  

And I'm even later

but, awesome note. He was always one of my favorite opposition managers just from watching on TV. Glad to hear he was such a great guy in person.

by ArkansasTravs on Nov 8, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

sounds like Mozeliak has his work cut out for him

rotoworld sidebar:

- Cardinals want to have a platoon of Jay and Craig in RF

- they want to retain Jake Westbrook

- they want a middle infield upgrade

- they want to sign a plus offense backup catcher (wat?)

- they want to sign a left-handed reliever

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 7, 2010 1:22 PM EST reply actions  

crap, wrong thread

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 7, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Separated at birth

Sparky Anderson and Dick Van Dyke.

"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'" -Isaac Asimov

by jacksonian on Nov 7, 2010 3:23 PM EST reply actions  

Ted Knight.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 7, 2010 6:50 PM EST up reply actions  

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