To a backup catcher, signing elsewhere
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We may have lost Pags
But theres still plenty of time to sign Miles or Suppan to a 3 year 30 million dollar contract.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
Very nicely done
Obviously TLR is not the only one who sees something in Pags. I’d love to hear a scout explain why he has so much upward momentum. Is it the genes? because if his name was John Smith, I think he’d be in AA.
I’d like to see the Cards go after Martin if he becomes available — I think we’ll only see Molina in 120 games this year and would like to have a strong backup
Just win
One quibble.
If his name were John Smith, I think he would be out of baseball.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
this is where the crazy nicknames come in
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
"Excuse me, I'm John Smith!"
“John Smith 1882?”
“My mistake!”
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Outstanding job, DanUp.
I hope the Bryan Anderson Back-Up Catcher Era will provide more hope in those dimly lit, extra inning games next season.
As do Yadi’s knees.
"When I gave up a grand slam to Pete LaCock," Bob Gibson said later, "I knew it was time to quit."
kudos to "A.E." DanUp
Pags is “dying” as far as the Cardinal bloodline is concerned.
Anybody else surprised to see Torrealba signed by Texas? For some reason I thought he was the Cardinals’ target for a backup 40-50 game performer. Backup catcher to me is a crucial signing this offseason. Yadi is showing signs of breaking down and they need someone TLR is willing to play for 40 games or so.
On another note, Leach quotes Mo on the team’s website as saying they can start the season with what they have now, but the roster may look different in six or seven weeks. Just posturing, or is he planning another scavenger hunt through everybody else’s leftovers?
by vinniefromjersey on Nov 30, 2010 8:46 AM EST reply actions
Looks like Bartlett could be traded any day now...
What’s the likelihood Mo and the Cards snatch him? We seem to have what they want.
Padres' RFL for GG!
Skip likely won't be replaced.
Boog is in the organization’s crosshairs.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Bartlett at short, Ryan at second, Skip to the bench?
I think Bartlett will be a bounce back candidate this year especially considering he had some injury issues last year and never really got regular playing time. Plus wouldn’t he be in the final year of arb, so basically a 1 yr 5 mil deal for a guy who was an all star as little as a season ago? So long as we don’t give up a lot I can’t think of a better upgrade than that.
by lopey986 on Nov 30, 2010 10:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Boog is perhaps the best SS in baseball...
why move him to 2B? I like Bartlett well enough, but I don’t see why he would bump Ryan to 2B. If Ryan is in the lineup he better be at short!
Jimmy Ballgame for 2011 RFer!!!
by cardzfanbub on Nov 30, 2010 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
I'd go after Barlett...
..if he were 3 years younger.
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
Boog is perhaps the best SS in baseball…
Defense is only part of playing baseball, and a comparatively smaller part than offense. Brendan F. Ryan is most certainly not “perhaps the best SS in baseball.” Not even close.
No one ever says, “From 2004-2007 Adam Everett was perhaps the best SS in baseball” and even then, Boog has yet to display the consistent league-averageish performance Everett had during those years.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 30, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
agreed
I’m sure there was an implied “defensive” in the poster’s comment, but as much as I love Boog, even in a bounce back year he’ll probably only be a 2 win player, maybe 2.5 if lucky. There are certainly more valuable players at shortstop out there.
and he's apparently not available
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
leaves us with
Drew
Pennington
Escobar (just guessing toronto won’t move him)
Uribe
Scutaro
Gonzalez
CAN I SAY YAWN OR WHAT?
boog is a 4+ WAR player
if he puts up a .740 OPS (basically what he did in 2009) over 600 PA’s.
+10 defense at SS is extremely valuable.
it's weird how people still undervalue boog's defense, or are just ignorant to it
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
It's also weird
To call a guy the best short stop in baseball based on his defense. There’s rarely a middle ground when it comes to Ryan, at least that’s what I’ve noticed. People either love his D and ignore his offense or hate his offense and ignore his defensive contributions.
by lopey986 on Nov 30, 2010 2:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
no one said that he is the best shortstop in baseball
he is the best defensive shortstop in baseball, however (or top tier anyway).
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
anyways, the point being that he is so good at defense he is better than many mediocre shortstops even when he hits really ineffectively
he will probably hit better next year too, so he could be 2 WAR or more
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
IF....
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Nov 30, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
and if he doesn't, he's still more valuable than most players we could get at SS
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
Boog is basically
Ozzie Smith without the offense. Compare their dWARs. Very similar.
Lets compromise and be generous. Boog is 1/2 of the best SS in baseball.
is Tulo the best?
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
Twice in four years...
torn quad and a pitch off the wrist… He doesn’t seem particularly fragile.
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
I would be especially...
worried about the wrist, but then he came back and gave Babe Ruth a run for the best September in history. But I get your point…. Hanley also seems stockier and more likely to lose range.
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
He also sliced open his hand smashing a bat a few years ago
But that falls more in the “freak incident” category, along with the broken wrist from the HBP.
Tulo is a better franchise face, for sure
Not sure I’m ready to call him the better player yet, especially since he plays in Coors and Hanley plays in Sun Life or whatever they call that stadium now.
isn't Hanley a poor defender?
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
well, yeah
but I’d rather have a complete player
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know, really
UZR and +/- agree that he was pretty average in 2008 and 2009, but then fell off a huge cliff last year for some reason. I have no idea what his actual talent level is.
I'd take Tulo for the D + great offense
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
This is not scientific at all
But Tulo also seems better equipped to move to third base at the end of this long contract than Hanley would be. He just fits the mold better, for what that’s worth (which is nothing, really).
I feel as though Hanley will end up making an A-Rod-esque switch to 3rd soon
not to accommodate another premier SS, but rather because his defense is steadily becoming a liability. Therefore, I think within two years or so, this argument might be irrelevant. I’d put my money on Tulo long-term as the Rockies have.
That said, I think Hanley is the more gifted offensive player of the two.
"When I gave up a grand slam to Pete LaCock," Bob Gibson said later, "I knew it was time to quit."
by The Classical on Nov 30, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, Hanley is one of the best hitters in baseball, it's just weird that he plays at SS
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
Remember that dWAR is compared to league average and Ozzie and Brendan played in different eras...
The average league range factor per 9 innings in 1982 was 5.01, when Ozzie’s was 5.87. In 2010, Boog’s range factor per nine innings was 5.01, when the league average was 4.31.
In any event, just for fun, these are the shortstops Boog was “1/2 of” last season, according to fWAR value (which, of course, gives full credit to Boog’s defense):
Jerry Hairston
Marco Scutaro
Jamey Carroll
Yunel Escobar
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 30, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
Hence the last line...
If Ryan is in the lineup he better be at short!
Jimmy Ballgame for 2011 RFer!!!
why the fuck would you play bartlett at short?
pardon my french and all, but why would you put him at second?
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not saying it'd be my preference
But it’s no secret the organization isn’t happy with Ryan’s offense at shortstop. I’d think they’d be a lot more amenable to his offensive numbers playing a position such as second base compared to shortstop. As much as everyone loves to spout WAR and UZR and the like it’s still pretty evident a lot of those on the inside don’t buy into it and are still old school.
by lopey986 on Nov 30, 2010 2:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
are second baseman known to not hit as well as shortstops?
in the past, I’d say there were more good hitting second basemen than good hitting shortstops. perhaps things have changed, I dunno.
But, everyone knows that shortstop is THE premium defensive position, so you play your best defender there (unless you have hanley ramirez)
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
Hanley (and Jeter)
Those guys don’t get moved because:
1) Their 2nd basemen aren’t any better defensively
2) They have no capable replacements to move them off the position (and justify moving the second baseman somewhere else)
I was reading about how countless species are being pushed toward extinction by man's destruction of forests. Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - Calvin, Scientific Progress Goes "Boink", Watterson
His offense is unbearable at SS, but more acceptable at 2B?
That doesn’t make any sense. I haven’t seen anything about recent trends comparing the two positions, but the keystone has always been the more offensive-minded position.
I was reading about how countless species are being pushed toward extinction by man's destruction of forests. Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - Calvin, Scientific Progress Goes "Boink", Watterson
have you considered that he might be following you?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Going to be a long day
Woke up at 1am and could not fall back asleep. So I watched the first 5 episodes of “The Walking Dead”. Pretty good so far. I never understood though when people are fighting zombies that they don’t wear leather armor? It would be strong enough so they couldn’t bite through it and not heavy enough to slow you down to much.
Wouldn't you need a leathersmith to make your leather armor?
I suppose you could kill deer or something and fashion your own leather armor, but, without Google, I wouldn’t even know where to begin…
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I would use motorcycle leather/Kevlar armor
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 30, 2010 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
That was all stolen/looted
about 10 minutes into the zombie invasion.
I'm pretty sure zombies could bite through your leather chaps
They ripped open a horse in the walking dead, I’m fairly certain a horse’s hide is stronger than some motorcycle gear.
But Chuck from the video game Deadrising did wear a leather motorcycle jacket!
by lopey986 on Nov 30, 2010 10:15 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
That is soft leather.
Not hard leather
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 30, 2010 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
Still
If zombies can rip a horse apart they can’t bite through your leather? And I’d think hard leather would indeed weigh you down a bit much.
Really, anyone could dominate a zombie 1 on 1, easy. It’s when you end up in the middle of 50 of them, wear all the armor you want but you’ll end up on the ground getting ripped apart.
by lopey986 on Nov 30, 2010 10:20 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Kevlar could at least save your ass...
from that zombie sneak attack waiting in that seemingly mundane broom closet you’re about to open.
"When I gave up a grand slam to Pete LaCock," Bob Gibson said later, "I knew it was time to quit."
by The Classical on Nov 30, 2010 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
I haven't seen much
kevlar neck and head armor though, and that seems to be their favorite place to attack. You would need some sort of medieval chain mail hoodie.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
Perhaps a Gimp track suit made of Kevlar would suffice.
"When I gave up a grand slam to Pete LaCock," Bob Gibson said later, "I knew it was time to quit."
by The Classical on Nov 30, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
It just so happens...
Christian Audigier is developing a new line of medieval chain mail hoodies as we speak.
"When I gave up a grand slam to Pete LaCock," Bob Gibson said later, "I knew it was time to quit."
by The Classical on Nov 30, 2010 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
Don't forget
rule #4, double tap.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Cracked.com has some entertaining articles about Zombie attacks
Reasons Why A Zombie Attack Would Fail
Why A Zombie Attack Could Happen
Survival Tactics That Will Kill You
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Also.
Iconic Movie Characters v. Zombies
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
or how they walk past the dead troops and don't snag a few m16s?
sorry for the spoilers. i want to start a Walking Dead fanpost discussion
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
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Woul1 main reason
would be to simply annoy cubs fans. He has a great nick name in the riot. He’d be better than miles. Honestly I think he’d be better than allot of the middle infield help that is out there for the money.
"Chuck Norris CAN divide by zero"
by elirock83 on Nov 30, 2010 9:29 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
one problem
Yadi can’t pick off his own teammate.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Love my new phone can u tell
"Chuck Norris CAN divide by zero"
by elirock83 on Nov 30, 2010 9:31 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Theriot is not good.
.286 wOBA with a .305 BABIP last season.
Brendan Ryan had a .256 wOBA with a .253 BABIP last season. At least one might anticipate some improvement next year from Boog on batted balls alone.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Look, we all would like to see Skip replaced.
But at this point, I think it’s best if we just assume Skip will start all 162 games at 2nd, put up a .235 wOBA and somehow makes 85 errors while only getting to balls hit directly at him. That way, at least we can be pleasantly surprised.
by dronemc on Nov 30, 2010 10:20 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I would rather have neither, but certainly don't want both.
Since we already have Skip, and I assume Skip isn’t going anywhere, I would like to stay away from Theriot.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
And Ryan can play an exceptional SS with likely equal to or better offensive production.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Theriot's career wOBA is actually better than Uribe's
fwiw (and he’s played less time)
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
Ryan Theriot is a bit worse that Jason Bartlett,
and he’s free. He’s a sure-handed second baseman. Why not?
Enter vivaelpujols
My great wit allows me to interject that by assuming the partakers of this conversation are inbedded and perhaps romantically entangled, rather than indeed, the truthful observation that they are both platonic and standing upright. Great comedy may be produced!! -Aranathor
I think he is not free
In his last year of arb
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 30, 2010 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
If he gets released though
He would be free in regards to prospects
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 30, 2010 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
If he is a FA and we offer him a contract and he accepts it,
he plays for that contract, not an arbitration-decided salary.
Enter vivaelpujols
My great wit allows me to interject that by assuming the partakers of this conversation are inbedded and perhaps romantically entangled, rather than indeed, the truthful observation that they are both platonic and standing upright. Great comedy may be produced!! -Aranathor
What are you, a wizard?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
I made a comment about Theriot last night
I’m from the future (well, I read that fangraphs article last night too)
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2010 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
hey it's politics
have at.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
(this is actually P-D, but since it's a feed, it might have a better chance of, oh, staying online longer.)
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i can't do the math at all
apparently this is re: 2 mill.
that’s like a bench player or two.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Who needs actual documentation...
when an honorable, forthright citizen like Bill DeWitt is running things?
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
that's what I wanna know.
I never heard about this
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
You didn't hear?
A bunch of VEBers pooled their nickels… They later discovered that owning 13% of a baseball team doesn’t get you a free hot dog, let alone a say in how things are run. Hence Miles et al…
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
so THAT'S what happened to the Viva El Bar money
bastards
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Actually, it was a group of Cards Talkers...
Which explains Miles et al.
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
by TBender on Nov 30, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The fact that city officials haven't even checked on this deal
is amazing. With that type of money involved, you keep tabs on fulfillment. It doesn’t matter if Mother Teresa owned the Cardinals.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
or they're waiting till the $2m is earmarked for.... pie....
then they’ll ask for it
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
This isn't even the 10th most "amazing" oversight the St. Louis City Government has committed within the past 3 years.
I think you may be grossly overestimating both the competence and ethics of governments in general.
no i'm not.
local government, no matter how large the city, is incredibly twisted.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
John Paul Stevens
has never seen his team win a WS…
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I've Always Liked...
The Boy with the Arab Strap, although I cowtinue to cowfuse them with Damon & Naomi…
:=8/
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
questions MO, KJ
read a small tid bit on MLBtraderumors that Mo has said he wouldnt pursue type A guys who declined arb…someone explain that?
Isn’t kelly Johnson a FA? wouldnt he be better than bartlett, they have been rumored to eye him more than one occasion. Why not go get him…or then Hudson?
just seems to be maybe better options than bartlett
This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers
clsoer look
KJ, http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7558
OH, http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6875
JB,http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7388
Skippie-http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7567
This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers
by punchinjudy on Nov 30, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
He is arbitration eligible this year
but I can’t find anything that says he was offered arbitration. Yet, a number of sites list him as trade bait, so I’m assuming the D-backs did so.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
It seems like it may be more of a celebration
that it’s now (almost) guaranteed that he WON’T be a member of our team…
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Cardinals' Rich Hill signing of 2012?
Jamie Moyer has Tommy John surgery, will sport a 68-mph fastball as a 2012 non-roster invitee
To that, I quote Mark E. Smith:
“I’m a fifty year old man
And I like it
I’m a fifty year old man
What’re you gonna do about it?”
"When I gave up a grand slam to Pete LaCock," Bob Gibson said later, "I knew it was time to quit."
Guy who pitched 31 innings for the Cardinals in 1991 seeks employment as pitcher in 2012
Dear god no.
You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
Forsooth and Verily
You forgot "and was considered finished" in between 1991 and seeks.
Also, he’s lefthanded ergo he’s just like a zombie.
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
Mark E. Smith is the Man!
Two swans in front of his eyes
Colored balls in front of his eyes
It’s number one for his Kelly’s eye
Treble-six right over his eye
A big shot’s voice in his ears
Worlds of silence in his ears
All the numbers account for years
Checks the cards through eyes of tears
Bingo-Master’s Breakout! (x4)
All he sees is the back of chairs
In the mirror, a lack of hairs
A lighted room, checks fill out
Here the players all shout
Bingo-Master’s Breakout! (x4)
A glass of lager in his hand
Silver microphone in his hand
Wasting time in numbers and rhymes
[One hand drug and faces bright]
Bingo-Master’s Breakout! (x4)
Came the time he flipped his lid
Came the time he flipped his lid
Holiday in Spain fell through
Players put it down to
Bingo-Master’s Breakout (x4)
A hall full of cards left unfilled
He ended his life with wine and pills
There’s a grave somewhere only partly filled
A sign in graveyard on a hill reads
Bingo-Master’s Breakout!
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
;=8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCFWuHNYflo
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
Live at the Witch Trials is a banger of an album.
Mark needs to haul his old ass back to the states once more.
“The only thing real is waking and rubbing your eyes.”
"When I gave up a grand slam to Pete LaCock," Bob Gibson said later, "I knew it was time to quit."
by The Classical on Nov 30, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
But imagine what his offspeed will look like
That 30mph change-up will look like a big wiffle ball coasting across the plate. Exciting!
Is
this on other news outlets?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2010 12:21 PM EST reply actions
he really does belong in STL until he wants to go
unti
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
Man I really hope that him and Cardinals get a deal done...
and not one that kills our team.
He has become the face of baseball (for me at least), and he has done the job splendidly. It would be a very sad day to see him in anything besides the Birds on the Bat.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
How could it not kill the team?
It would be most helpful if he could learn to play a corner outfield spot or third base. A lot of offensive woes would be solved by putting some lunkhead masher like Adam Dunn at first.
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
can't Miles play 3rd AND COF?
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
I bet his beard could play one position.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
..
I agree. Reading something like that reinforces how special he is.
hmm…Maybe we should send pies to Deidre
Blessed are they who are pleasant to blog with....
babysitting.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
this is, naturally, complicated by the fact that we determined
VEB should never raise children
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
No, I'm very responsible compared to the rest of you.
I do spend a lot of time in my basement (seems to be the VEB thing) but it is MY basement and I actually work and get paid for the time I spend there.
So all this is saying, I would be a very responsible baby sitter. And if it would keep Albert in St. Louis, I would do it for free. Yes! Problem solved.
Blessed are they who are pleasant to blog with....
the only people i'd trust with kids around here are spants & cgirly
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
f'in gdm
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
we have to give him a break. He's had a bad week.
Blessed are they who are pleasant to blog with....
my bad, i didn't mean to leave anyone out, i'm sure you're great with kids
spants & cgirly were the only ones i could think of off the top of my head who have been pro kid here
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
well you're family, and no one hurts family like family
so suck it up & rub some dirt on it bro
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
well i guess i can throw away those plastic bags i was gonna let your kids use as toys
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
Whoaaaaa come on bro I'm engaged
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
lets be real dude. you can't even get out of a BS traffic ticket. how are you going to raise a kid?
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
by IHeartBoog on Nov 30, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
if i do my math right, he's like one-fifth of RiverRat
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
FFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
I hate this blog
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
oh come on
you know how i am with math
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
your honor, i present to you
the defense rests
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Ohhhh that was a good night
To be fair, my fiancee was there and sober. So at least 1 of us is responsible at all times
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
but you are not your fiancee & i don't know her so i can't say
that i would trust her with children either. she is marrying you after all
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
I had fireworks for toys
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
no one will ever let you near their children
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
interesting agent name-drop
I mean uh thank you Albert please stay forever
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
f* it
I’m going to break out the butter and make a grilled cheese sandwich.
I am not sure why Colby would need any luck, but I’m hungry.
hmm. we might have some bacon…
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
they're only bits
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Maybe...
You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
Forsooth and Verily
by Aranathor on Nov 30, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That is one bad royal.
She could kick your ass at tea time and never uncurl her pinky.
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
Then Fred Armisen's portrayal was not completely inaccurate.
"When I gave up a grand slam to Pete LaCock," Bob Gibson said later, "I knew it was time to quit."
by The Classical on Nov 30, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
I just had a bacon, brocolli, spinach, cheddar, and mozarella calzone from pockets
with ranch
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
Potential swingman option
Aaron Heilman is drawing interest as a starter, according to his agent. Could be a setup man/Lohse insurance.
…
Nah, just kidding. HFS Cardinals, you better not be the ones “interested” in Aaron Heilman. He took his suck to new levels last year by reducing his GB rate to 35%. DO NOT WANT.
Key phrase there - "according to his agent."
That means, roughly, that the GM in question said, “That’s a non-starter for us,” when the agent brought up having Heilman on their roster in any capacity.
Aaron Heilman’s signature moment.
St. Louis – Top of 9th
Aaron Heilman pitching for New York
J Edmonds struck out swinging.
S Rolen singled to left.
Y Molina homered to left, S Rolen scored.
R Belliard grounded out to shortstop.
J Rodriguez hit for R Flores.
J Rodriguez grounded out to first.
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
by TBender on Nov 30, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
for some reason
this reminded me of the HR he hit against cincy right after the fight where he did brandon phillips HR trot, hand on helmet.
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
the ideal situation that can arise out of the infield
if they continue to overvalue Skip, would be to add another player into the mix, and not play skip and boog every day. too bad they probably won’t do that… I guess it remains to be seen what will happen with the MIF situation.
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2010 2:17 PM EST reply actions
meant to say, someone that can play either second or short
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
Man, the starting pitching is flying off the shelves
Kuroda, Lilly, de la Rosa, Westbrook, Garland, and Vazquez are all off the market. Who’s left? Lee and Pavano? Lee is basically his own market, so I think Pavano is the only appealing option still out there for someone looking for a legit starter, right?
starting pitchers are a valuable commodity
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
Oh
Technically, I guess Pettitte is still out there. Supposedly the Rangers are after him, but I’m guessing it’ll be Yankees or retirement for Andy, so he’s not really an option for most teams.
pettitte, off the top of my head
looks like he’ll be swapped with the rangers for lee
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twatter
I was told there would be no prose.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
I'm used to prose
just usually put in amongst other stuff.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
I just smile and nod along
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
...
prose (proz)
n.
1. Ordinary speech or writing, without metrical structure.
2. Commonplace expression or quality.
3. Roman Catholic Church A hymn of irregular meter sung before the Gospel.
intr.v. prosed, pros·ing, pros·es
1. To write prose.
2. To speak or write in a dull, tiresome style.
/fake blockquote
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Hey you
knock that off.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
did you mean poetry?
because prose is the antonym
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I woke up at noon...
I can’t be expected to think until at least 1500. So whatever works to make my comment make sense then, yes.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
i gotcha
it started to spread, though.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I made a zombie comment?
sweet
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
apparently your comments are quite virulent
congratulations
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I do what I can.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
Felipe Lopez declined arb from the Red Sox
Which means when he signs elsewhere, they’ll get a sandwich pick.
Well, played, Theo. Well played.
yeah, that was a pretty dumb move by us
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
What the hell happened with that?
Did we trade his rights to the BoSox? Or can teams just offer curly fries willy nilly to whoever they like?
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
we cut him before the season was done, so they signed him for next to nothing
I think that’s how it went down anyway
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
Fair enough...
I stopped paying close attention to the team at the end of the season… mediocre performance and making money got in the way.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
good work
and yeah, the end of the season was annoying… well, we did win the last 5 games, so that was nice.
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
We cut him for being some kind of slacker or something, and the Red Sox were like, “Oh snap, free type B” and snatched him up for the rest of the year so that they could offer him arb. Possibly they signed him conditional on the fact that he declined arbitration.
Isn't that type of stuff
illegal if it can be proven? The conditional signing that is.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
I dunno
May have been informal. Maybe they just offered him arb and said, “Do what you want, but be aware that you are not in our 2011 plans in any way, and we’ll either bench you or trade you at the first chance we get if you accept.” They also do have a fairly crowded middle infield with Scutaro and Pedroia, so it would probably be obvious to Felipe that he’d be a bench player and not seeing many AB in 2011.
Not that it matters anyways...
Selig wouldn’t go anywhere near harming a feather on his goose while it’s laying the golden eggs.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
Yeah I'm going to go ahead and say we screwed that one up
Felipe has to have been a really big pain in the ass to warrant throwing away a sandwich pick just to have him off the team.
yup
if nothing else it looks like we were trying to further tarnish his character, because there’s no other explanation really. he really must have pissed someone off.
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe he slept with LaRussa's wife
Or maybe he slept with LaRussa.
Or maybe he slept with Rolen to piss off LaRussa.
Or maybe he didn’t RSVP for the Mozeliak family BBQ, but then showed up with 6 drunk friends.
by mojowo11 on Nov 30, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
He probably refused to bow down to Tony
by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
he probably just didn't work hard enough and acted like a jackass
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
but then again, he was sort of injured last year, so I don't know what the deal was
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
i'm positive you're first inclination was correct
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
I almost wrote
that’s what gdm would say, anyway
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
haha, i'm becomming predictable aren't i?
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
hey, when you're right, you're right
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
i have no joy in being right in this instance
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Three things...
First of all, a sandwich pick is more valuable for the Sox than for us because we are limited by money, whereas they are limited by picks. Second, we couldn’t offer arb because we absolutely didn’t want him to come back. Third, if he signs a minor league deal, which is likely, there will be no pick.
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
One-by-one
First of all, a sandwich pick is more valuable for the Sox than for us because we are limited by money, whereas they are limited by picks.
Sure, it’s better for the Red Sox, but picks are still huge for us. A sandwich pick is better than no pick at all. A whole hell of a lot better, even if we can’t drop as much dough as the Sawks at that point in the draft. Sometimes a sandwich pick yields a Colby Rasmus, after all.
Second, we couldn’t offer arb because we absolutely didn’t want him to come back.I highly doubt that he would have come back if it was actually clear that he a) wasn’t wanted and b) wasn’t going to get a lot of playing time if he accepted arbitration. They could offer it to him and say, look, you’re not in our plans for our middle infield next year. You can accept and either ride the bench or have no say where you eventually end up, or you can decline and go looking yourself. Being a Type B wouldn’t hurt him because other teams wouldn’t need to give up stuff to sign him. I suspect the Red Sox probably did something like this.
Third, if he signs a minor league deal, which is likely, there will be no pick.Good point.
Colby wasn't a sandwich pick
he was the Red Sox first round pick (# 28) for Edgar who was a Type A. Sandwich pick for Lopez will be about number 48 or so. DeRosa turned into pick number 46 and Joel P was number 50 for the Cards last year.
Here is a link to the draft order on River Ave Blues
I'll just play it off and say that I meant Cory Rasmus
Who was a sandwich pick for the Braves in 2006.
i think there's pretty much no chance he doesn't get an MLB deal
why would he decline arb if there was any chance otherwise?
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We'll see...
No one really liked him last offseason, and he looked a lot better then.
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
The more I think about it
The more I want Uehara. Potential swingman, potential back-end of bullpen guy/Franklin insurance, probably won’t require a huge or long deal, pretty effective against both lefties and righties. Hell, the guy posted an 11.00 K/BB ration out of the bullpen last year. How is he not getting more press as a potential target this offseason? Why is Joaquin Benoit flying off the shelves but Uehara isn’t even being mentioned?
Plus, it sure would be pretty nice to have a guy we could throw out there and basically know that he’s not going to walk anyone (other than Franklin). Looking at you, Boggs and Motte and Reyes and Salas and MacDougal and Miller.
when do winter meetings start
I want some news
even if it’s stupid non-essential news
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
This week,
isn’t it? Also, tomorrow is Dec. 1, so, time to call Lozano, Mo!
by ArkansasTravs on Nov 30, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
for all we know, they're already talking
i doubt we’ll hear anything about the negotiations until/unless they’re are nearing a deal or have one completed
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twatter
That's probably true
in fact, Goold almost hinted that that was the case when he said something along the lines of they aren’t putting it out in public like the Jeter negotiations.
I’m just anxious to hear it’s done and signed so we can move on knowing what kind of $’s can be spent past 2011.
by ArkansasTravs on Nov 30, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
i'm thinking they're waiting for Albert to notice that their big acquisition is Theriot.
it’s not like he doesn’t know of his remarkable skills.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I wish I was rich
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
I'm having trouble punning your name with the phrase "open the wallet"
So I’m afraid you cannot purchase the Cardinals.
I'm down with that
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
by mysterui on Nov 30, 2010 3:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I believe they begin Dec. 6, run through the 9th
with the Rule V draft sometime during that period.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2010 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
i blame this post
for everything.
f’n yadi2second
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on Nov 30, 2010 5:37 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
it was not that post! you take that back
it was my grilled cheese sandwich.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
still all your fault
now you are responsible making the boog rally happen.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
It's always partly Y2S's fault
I am sure the Walrus can play RF...
Boog for Starting Shortstop in 2011!
yeah. sigh.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
if Dan O'Dowd is your savior. are you really being saved?
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Dan O'Dowd is a clut leader?
I’m confused.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
cult leader even...
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
He can't be a cult leader until he makes videos proclaiming what he would do with other franchises in order to fix them.
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
Another 6th starter/bullpen idea
Jeff Francis anyone? Can’t strike anyone out, but doesn’t walk a lot either (2.10 career K/BB, 2.91 in 2010). Gets a fair amount of ground balls (47% in 2010). Last year in 19 starts:
5.00 ERA
3.88 FIP
3.94 xFIP
4.81 tERA
Colorado declined his $7M option for 2010. Not going to blow anyone out of the water, but could be a solid back-of-the-rotation guy, especially now that he’s going to get away from Coors Field.
I suspect he’ll get a real contract to be a primary starter somewhere, but he’s out there.
Bye bye, Hawk
"When I gave up a grand slam to Pete LaCock," Bob Gibson said later, "I knew it was time to quit."
by The Classical on Nov 30, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
I guess this means all the talk in 2011 ST about McClellan being the "6th" starter will be real.
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
meh...
http://twitter.com/Dodgers/statuses/9710102722383872
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
why is jamie moyer's picture
featured on the dodgers twitter?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Dirty.... I feel dirty.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
after what you did in the bathroom this morning i'm surprised that's all you're feeling
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
MLBTR
The Cardinals acquired infielder Ryan Theriot from the Dodgers for righty Blake Hawksworth, according to the Dodgers’ official Twitter feed. Theriot was a non-tender candidate for the Dodgers in the wake of their Juan Uribe signing, but the Cardinals have a need for him. I imagine he’ll mostly play second base in St. Louis.
Tim Dierkes obviously does not know TLR
You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
Forsooth and Verily
Goold is on the Fastlane talking about the trade
Saying Theriot can and possibly may play some third also? They seem to think he will play a Felipe Lopez role.
by mick311 on Nov 30, 2010 3:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He's lacking in tattoos
and bat levitation abilities.
"When I gave up a grand slam to Pete LaCock," Bob Gibson said later, "I knew it was time to quit."
by The Classical on Nov 30, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
we made fun of him for a reason.
this is gonna be a bumpy ride.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
It doesn't matter if he can play third or not
he will in TLR’s world… I’m sure he’ll also be spelling Lego in LF from time to time… and getting work as 1st base coach.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
I'm slowly turning into Y2S
Mwahahahahahahaaaa
You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
Forsooth and Verily
you don't have a link to the article.
nor have you provided three references.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I saw that too.
It gave me false hopes until I remembered who our manager was.
"When I gave up a grand slam to Pete LaCock," Bob Gibson said later, "I knew it was time to quit."
by The Classical on Nov 30, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
i dunno
it was a couple days ago
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
Than yes
I posted about Theriot earlier today.
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 30, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
HFS
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
well, now that he's gotten the Miles export treatment
can we do one more post of his pickoffs?
for old time’s sake?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
there were at least two, right?
man. those were good days.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
my reaction exactly
like…a sensical trade for the cardinals….wha?
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
follow me on teh twitterz @greenfieldt
man
i’m having a hard time giving a shit about hawksworth.
seems like a great move all around. i guess this means we have to go through the arb process with him, though
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
We will
according to MLBTR.
2010 Salary: 2.6 mil
You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
Forsooth and Verily
yea thats a big part of it though. i dont mind the pickup
But how much is he going to cost us?
by mick311 on Nov 30, 2010 4:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Meh
Fungible part for fungible part
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
by mysterui on Nov 30, 2010 3:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
fungible part we desperately needed
for fungible part we were overflowing with
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
fungible is a cool word, yeah?
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
follow me on teh twitterz @greenfieldt
both fungible, in a way
but I think Theriot has a better chance to make a bigger positive impact on this team than Hawksworth would have had. So I like it.
by mattyp on Nov 30, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
agreed
hopefully the fungible part we got will prove more valuable than the one we gave away.
by ArkansasTravs on Nov 30, 2010 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
i'll tell you how you feel
you feel glad that we traded the weakest piece from our greatest area of strength in return for a player at a position of need who is better than who we gave up.
theriot has a good shot at league average+. hawk will likely never see that. salaries considered, it’s a pretty even trade
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
Two things
1) Just two hours ago I predicted to my Cubs friend fan that the Cardinals would end up getting Theriot one way or another. I just linked him to this, and he thinks I’m a fucking genius now. Hell yeah.
2) While I’m not sold that Theriot is a great addition, I think one thing is clear (and this is important for VEB): we’ve added one of the best nicknames in the National League. I for one welcome The Riot as this year’s Aaron Miles without the shitty defense.
I preferred "punds"
I imagined The Riot showing up to ST carrying a bag over his shoulder that contained 40 fictitious animals known as “punds.” He’d then dump the bag out in the middle of the outfield and each player on the roster would get to pick a pund and give it a name.
Testicle-exploding shit storms, to date: T.E.S.S. '08, T.E.S.S. '09, T.E.S.S. '10
by dan on Nov 30, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you mean... adopt them?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
No, just name them
Ol’ Man Duncan will come around soon enough to shoo the punds away from his bullpen.
Testicle-exploding shit storms, to date: T.E.S.S. '08, T.E.S.S. '09, T.E.S.S. '10
I wasn't excited about Theriot
but considering the cost I’m like this move.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Nov 30, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
for $3 million dollars (does anybody else find this a little high?)
i’m a little dissapointed… other than that, i’m not really that bummed we traded blake hawksworth
also he will be starting SS over Ryan according to Mo on the radio… i think I’m going to barf on second thought…
by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 30, 2010 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
The Riot to start...
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
WHAT THE FUCK MO?
a winning player? really? you think that our success was because we had winning players and apparantly theriot fills this….?
appeasing the masses i assume
by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 30, 2010 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
it's technically true
in his career, his teams are 333-330 in games in which he played.
Not incredibly promising, however. He’s clearly no Derek Jeter.
you can't rationalize with irrationality
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twatter
"a winning player"....who played for the Cubs
My head just exploded
Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?
by jd is legend on Dec 1, 2010 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
what? no.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
here
http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2010/11/30/1847067/theriot-traded-to-the-cards
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I want the other Ryan back.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
WHAT THE FUUUUUUUUuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
Forsooth and Verily
I think he just made a bunch of deals and said
We’re announcing them all at 3:00 p.m. on Tuesday at 5 minute intervals.
WHO?
you’re blowing my mind, john mozeliak!
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twatter
That was my first reaction
Brian Who???
Cursory review of the (few) stats listed in the link seem to indicate he might be an OK LOOGY. I’m going to assume that this is a minor league contract or at least somewhere near league minimum.
by ArkansasTravs on Nov 30, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
Better than okay LOOGY
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I am no longer happy.
unless this is a minor league deal.
You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
Forsooth and Verily
he's likely fine as a LOOGY...
… he has huge splits, but for some reason pitched twice as often to RHB than LHB last season.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=tallebr01&year=&t=p
and he was pretty good '06 to '08
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twatter
as a reliever
as soon as they took him out of the ’pen, he fell apart.
You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
Forsooth and Verily
i'm assuming he's here as a LOOGY
our rotation is set
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twatter
Tallet has talent?
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
Probably just competing to be second LOOGY and 6th starter
Not a big deal, although I agree that his had better be for league minimum or a ML deal.
If he's just slotted as a loogy
then it’s fine. But one never knows with TLR and his fetish for 30 something ballplayers banished from the rosters of other major league teams.
There's no place for him in the rotation
The guy owned lefties last year — a 4.67 K/BB ratio against southpaws (0.82 WHIP). He’ll make for a fine Dennys Reyes replacement, and I suppose he doubles as 6th-starter insurance, even if not particularly good insurance.
ok, how do we say his name
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
He's played in Canada
therefore he’s french, therefore:
Ta-lé (sorta like olé)
You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
Forsooth and Verily
he seems ready made for our pen
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
and BBB treatments means
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
He'd better keep that hat away from Motte.
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
Add some Oklahoma twang
Also Wikipedia is freaky. His bio there has already been changed…
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
that took a while.
wiki usually changes within 3 min.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
a new LOOGY...
who doesn’t walk a batter an inning…
Someone get me a Towel-ette please.
Jimmy Ballgame for 2011 RFer!!!
Moist Tallet it is.
"When I gave up a grand slam to Pete LaCock," Bob Gibson said later, "I knew it was time to quit."
by The Classical on Nov 30, 2010 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
That's actually a fairly terrifying nickname.
He looks like Inspector Clouseau, so let’s go with that.
"When I gave up a grand slam to Pete LaCock," Bob Gibson said later, "I knew it was time to quit."
by The Classical on Nov 30, 2010 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
i think we should wait for this one
anything could happen
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
wait, so we came out even on Canadians today?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
More on MLBTR:
he Cardinals signed Brian Tallet to a one-year contract, according to Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports (on Twitter). The southpaw posted 8.6 K/9 and 1.8 BB/9 against lefty batters hitters last year and should continue to be productive against left-handed hitters in Tony La Russa’s bullpen.
The 33-year-old posted a 6.40 ERA with 6.2 K/9 and 4.4 BB/9 in 2010, his fifth season in Toronto. Tallet earned $2MM in 2010 and was headed for a raise through arbitration until the Blue Jays outrighted him to Triple-A. He refused the assignment and hit free agency before I named him as a potential bargain reliever.
look good against lefties
but YAY mentions of the dreaded ARM SLOT and SHOULDER STIFFNESS
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Nov 30, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
am i the only person to have heard of this guy before this year?
and i remember him being pretty good…(of course I used to be the Blue Jays on MLB the Show) he’s more than likely on the roster by Opening Day
by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 30, 2010 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
this wasn't what I intended with my grilled cheese sandwich
but… ok…..
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
YOU NEVER CONSIDERED THE CONSEQUENCES
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twatter
I hope you have enough room in the basement to store a season's worth of cheese
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
my thoughts on the Hawks trade
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ3acvz5LfI
This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers
it's time for THE RIOT
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2010 4:09 PM EST reply actions
I predict, the new cub killer
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
ugh, no
It makes me think of cubs fans.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Floppy
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
by TBender on Nov 30, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
nah
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
With his light bat...
I’m gonna have the say the Quiet Riot…
;=8)
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
nice
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2010 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
hang on, I'm still looking up the loogy
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Yadi's bitch.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
His ST assignment
should be to carry Yadi’s equipment on and off the field.
by ArkansasTravs on Nov 30, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
then Albert comes over and lifts up every piece of equipment
and taps him with each
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
but his name says the riot on it
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
i have no desire to sound like a cubs fan
who can’t handle a simple french-derived name.
(or possible Acadian)
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
you are reading too much into it
Taller now
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
*Tallet
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
it's a visceral association with a hundred BCB posters screaming THE RIOT!!!!
or RIOT, if they can’t be bothered.
sorry, I can’t do it.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I don't go over there
I don’t know any better. THE RIOT IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
see what you've done.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I hope you don't view me as lesser now
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
"Start the Riot"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfDN1Prpj64
Atari Teen Age Riot
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
sounds like Aphex
but I would love to hear an 8-bit version of Teenage Riot (y’know, the SY tune)
Fire John Mozeliak
by purple_haze on Nov 30, 2010 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
I think they are contemporaries
but one is English and one is German
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2010 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
I've actually seen them live at the Metro
crazy ass shit
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2010 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
Do we need to reroute the pitchforks and torches?
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
And gone are names beginning and ending with H.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
Ok, when the Fo said they were going to sign
15-20 HR guys, I didn’t know they meant for their career!
I am sure the Walrus can play RF...
by Paulspike on Nov 30, 2010 4:14 PM EST reply actions 13 recs
I assume they mean between 15 to 20 one Homer Guys
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I wonder what happens with Skip now
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2010 4:16 PM EST reply actions
utility guy hopefully?
but i fear he’s turning DPs with the riot
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twatter
Probably same as last year
He gets most starts against RHP while Riot or Boog play SS. Then against LHP, Skip usually sits and Riot and Boog man the middle infield.
Either that or Freese gets hurt/implodes and Theriot becomes our full-time 3B like Lopez sort of did for a while this year. PLEASE GOBS NOT THAT AGAIN.
AGREED
PLEASE GOBS NOT THAT AGAIN.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Nov 30, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
no one replaces LaRue
you take that back
before you’re luggaged
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
\
my first thought was son-of-Frankie
or cousin.
whatever.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Frankie Goes to Cardywood???
;=8)
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
Kind of reminds me
of Bill Murray in that film set in Japan.
by ArkansasTravs on Nov 30, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
Lost in translation
with Scarlett!
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2010 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
Correct me if I am wrong.
The Theriot pickup is a good one provided he plays mostly second base and NOT shorstop? Otherwise, IMO, the team would be hurt by not having Boog at SS everyday.
I am sure the Walrus can play RF...
We're bound to see three different tandems per series...
Skip and Boog
Theriot and Boog
Skip and Theriot
Just be prepared.
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
Should really only be
Boog and whoever the hell plays 2B besides him..
I am sure the Walrus can play RF...
who's this Taller guy?
the lefty
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2010 4:21 PM EST reply actions
whoops
Tallet
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
on the fast lane...
Mo says he sees Theriot getting alot of play at short stop….
While Spinning.
How much were yours? 34 dollars. You know you got a pay raise... right?
This is why, the first time I heard about the trade
I slammed my fist in a table. So predictable
I am sure the Walrus can play RF...
Yes.
And even if he still cannot bat in ’11, his defense is all we can ask for out of the SS hole. If the starters feel comfortable with him there, why replace him??
I am sure the Walrus can play RF...
in this case, it was needed.
“then boog gone” basically changes the entire meaning of his comment
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
but he doesn't fit in
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
says there is a high probability that...
he will be the starting short stop
While Spinning.
How much were yours? 34 dollars. You know you got a pay raise... right?
chuckles as he says this
While Spinning.
How much were yours? 34 dollars. You know you got a pay raise... right?
funny, "I'm just joking" chuckle? or evil, maniacal chuckle?
Stupid offseason.
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Nov 30, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
more like...
that’s cute you still kind of like brendan chuckle
While Spinning.
How much were yours? 34 dollars. You know you got a pay raise... right?
so who starts the letter writing camaping, and petitions
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
dances around a question asking about whether or not
there is a chance that they will continue to upgrade the middle infield.
While Spinning.
How much were yours? 34 dollars. You know you got a pay raise... right?
I think it is more likely
that he becomes a fungible commodity… for trade…
one does wonder if we might still find bartlett appealing…
moves theriot to second with bartlett at short and skip becomes super utility fielder…
Boog is auctioned off for best loogy depth available?
While Spinning.
How much were yours? 34 dollars. You know you got a pay raise... right?
i see it more as an open competition between theriot and boog for ss
the loser becomes skips platoon partner.
youneverknow
then Tyler Greene tries to push them off a cliff
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
at this point
I hope he goes to a better home
before the Cardinals utterly destroy his career.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
so who will be my second favorite team
maybe he’ll go to the Pads and they will retain Luddy. then they wouldn’t even be that far my 2nd favorite team
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
i was sniffing around the giants
but after all these weeks, I’m still undecided.
i want to see where all the managers go, first.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
maybe Mo is playing mind games
with Boog and will sign him to a team friendly contract instead of going through arbitration.
On a side note, why do the Cards keep trying to move players back to SS after other teams determined they are best used at SS (Lugo, Miles, Lopez and now Theriot
playing mind games with Brendan Ryan
has a long, long history of being bad, bad, BAD
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
it's a pity
I can’t vomit this grilled cheese sandwich.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I ate it too long ago.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Somebody check
JMo’s meds to make sure hasn’t overdosed on something. It fine if Theriot is the new Aaron Miles but keep sanity and don’t confuse him with a proper starting SS.
Are Schumaker & Theriot the worst defensive MIF in MLB?
Are Schumaker & Theriot the MIF with the lowest combined wOBA in MLB?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
theriot is a pretty solid defender, i thought
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
Yeah.
There will be a lot worse defensive MIF combos. Like in Yankee Stadium.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
hanley ramirez and dan uggla smirk menacingly
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
I'm talking about 2011,
when Uggla will be a Brave.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
who's SS in Atlanta, now?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
thanks
I can barely remember all the managers yet.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
NNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooo
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
oh, that reminds me
I’ve gotta go before d-dee gets here
and starts stabbing indiscriminately.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
With the amount of ground balls our staff gets
Brendan Ryan really needs to be at shortstop more often than not. Surely this is obvious.
It is, but don't call us Shirley.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2010 9:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You know, it's older than Leslie.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2010 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
Tallet's splits:
Career vrs. LHB:
Opposing line .245/.328/.405
SO/BB 1.98
’10 vrs. LHB:
Opposing Line .176/.228/.343
SO/BB 4.67
I am sure the Walrus can play RF...
Strauss warning
Unis or whatever. Article.
General manager John Mozeliak previously suggested the club wanted to upgrade at shortstop moreso than at second base, where Skip Schumaker patrolled for a second straight season. However, Theriot’s presence also allows Schumaker to move to more of a super-utility role should La Russa want Theriot to play on both sides of second base.
Skip Schumaker will now play all nine positions in 2011.
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
Secret Weapon Redux?
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
theriot isn't an upgrade!
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 30, 2010 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
maybe there really does need to be a Rally
but it probably won’t do any good.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Depends on whether he remembers how to take a walk
He managed to get on base a fair amount from 2006-2008, maybe McGwire can slap some sense back into him.
That's rather encouraging
I wonder if there was some terrible coach on the Cubs telling Theriot to be more aggressive and put the ball in play all the time. His walk rate plumetted with the Cubs from 2008-2010.
at least, if the cards don't get rid of Ryan, he can steal Theriot's job, and the riot can steal skip's job
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2010 4:27 PM EST reply actions
There's the plan!
I just hope we get the chance to see it come to fruition.
by ArkansasTravs on Nov 30, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
spring training rulz
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2010 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
AT SECOND BASE.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I haven't been around much the last few days...
have we discussed Theriot’s #1 comparison on B-R, yet?
Stupid offseason.
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Nov 30, 2010 4:32 PM EST reply actions
and #2 is...
Jason Bartlett. So, obviously no need to go get him now, is there.
by ArkansasTravs on Nov 30, 2010 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
You're saying it wrong
it’s Barflett.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2010 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
boog trade?
is it possible that other teams are interested in trading for boog?
...the one thing that I will never do is not tell him that I'm taking him to a cabin in the woods and then not take him.
i wouldn't either
but why decide to replace him and not skip? other than skip being a TLR favorite. i hope that’s not the reason.
...the one thing that I will never do is not tell him that I'm taking him to a cabin in the woods and then not take him.
i imagine
they see skip as more likely to bounce back offensively than boog
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theriot
so we have to hope for theriot to bounce back also? i don’t see how this makes us any better.
...the one thing that I will never do is not tell him that I'm taking him to a cabin in the woods and then not take him.
we traded from a position of strength
to fill a hole in a position of need. how does it not?
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BECUZ BOOG OH NOES!
(I don’t get it either.)
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
starting ss
but if Mo is saying Theriot is replacing ryan as starting SS, then do we gain anything? it’s like trading a bullpen piece so we could start a different SS. hopefully, what happens is that boog starts at SS and theriot replaces skip at 2B.
...the one thing that I will never do is not tell him that I'm taking him to a cabin in the woods and then not take him.
Mo said it
this is liveblogging from the radio.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
competition
it’ll provide even more motivation for boog to get better with the bat.
...the one thing that I will never do is not tell him that I'm taking him to a cabin in the woods and then not take him.
even though there is copious evidence that he does not do well under that.
not in the “fold under pressure” sense, but in the “okay, that’s my role, that’s all I’m going to be” sense.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
He's a professional baseball player
He’s going to have to get over that and perform if he wants to be a starter. I find Boog’s delicate nature endearing, but I also realize it’s a negative part of Boog as a player, not a positive.
I agree with that.
but it’s really not that hard to put him in a position to succeed, instead of putting him in the worst possible situations to do so. it’s not like this is voodoo; it’s called sports psychology, and other teams have them on staff. for a reason. they produce results, which I thought was the whole point.
if it were even half-and-half, I don’t think any of us would be complaining this much. I still wonder how NOBODY thought to take surgical measures for his sore wrist, which plagued him (read: his offense) his whole career (and oh, by the way, also affected those numbers prior to surgery.) that’s in part his responsibility, but that also says plenty about the organization.
in other words, if he were failing 100% of his own accord, there would not be the same kind of outcry. if he were on any other team, there would be no question that a ground-ball staff needs a defensively talented shortstop. it wouldn’t even be up for discussion.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
honestly, at this point, the only x-factor would be something along the lines of off-the-field.
in which case, he would have bigger problems than baseball.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
That "if" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there
I’d say quite a few other teams wouldn’t have him on the roster, let alone a starter, because of the offense.
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
well, yeah, but we have Albert Pujols and Matt Holliday.
why in heaven’s name are we worrying about the offense of a player who is most comfortable in the 9 spot?
over Skip Schumaker?
other teams fill up on offense at the SS position. but chances are, they’re not leaning on defense the way this Cardinals pitching staff does. and if we had pluses at third base, second base, and the rest of the outfield (and if Yadi weren’t so taxed behind the plate that he can’t concentrate on his hitting), no one would care if Brendan Ryan hit like a pitcher.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Boog doesn't need to compete,
Skip does.
Why replace Boog, an elite defender with a bad bat, with Theriot, a poor defender with an ok bat?
I am sure the Walrus can play RF...
Boog for Starting Shortstop in 2011!
boog was downright terrible last season
i’d say they’re about equally likely to be league average. boog has the glove advantage, theriot has the benefit of having done it multiple times before
if theriot is just plain awful, he won’t be the starting SS all season
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What hole are you exactly filling?
Because if you mean second base, then yes, a good move.
If you mean shortstop, then hell no.
I am sure the Walrus can play RF...
Boog for Starting Shortstop in 2011!
Doesn't this at least improve the bench AND
Empty a slot in the BP for a higher upside guy from the minors? This is not a knock out move, but it makes us better, I think.
Hawk is out of options too
so he had to stick to the 25 man roster or be given away next spring a la Mather.
and he's blocking better talent like sanchez and salas
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poor Tyler....
he hasn’t even gotten an oppurtunity to breakout….
by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 30, 2010 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
Tyler F'in Greene has posted a .222/.300/.325 major league line so far
And last year he pulled that weird stunt with an injury that pissed people off. He hasn’t gotten a huge chance — only 238 PA — but he’s not exactly endearing himself to the management with his first impressions, either.
that is brendan ryan's mindnumbing major league line
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Okay
Brendan Ryan also happens to be a defensively elite shortstop. Tyler Greene is good, but I don’t think he’s Boog good. And, frankly, I don’t particularly expect him to be much better than Boog with the bat, if at all.
But I am known Greene Tea doubter.
I don't want to be a Greene Tea doubter.
but I am now. something’s weirdly inconsistent, and not just the whole TLR drama that he found himself in.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
For a second, good looked like a palindrome for Boog.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2010 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
a palindrome for boog?
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that's the one.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2010 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
what does it meaaaaaan
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by prophetjohn on Nov 30, 2010 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
thefreedictionaryonline.com
is your friend. ‘Mom’, ‘dad’, ‘Anna’, ‘Able was I, ere I saw Elba’, ‘A man, a plan, a canal, Panama!’, ‘Madam, in Eden, I’m Adam’, ‘Dog god’, and not quite….‘Boog good’. Thus, only for a second…
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 1, 2010 1:10 AM EST up reply actions
i know what a palindrome is
but the phrase “a palindrome for boog” confused me
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oic
“good looked like a palindrome for Boog”….I thought that was fairly unambiguous.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 1, 2010 1:18 AM EST up reply actions
In advance, I apologize for the profanity
but FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK!!!!!
101ESPNFastLane Randy Karraker
by dgoold
Mozeliak-Unless something else happens, Theriot is the Cardinals starting shortstop.
I am sure the Walrus can play RF...
You are so fucking stupid Mo
How the FUCK is this asshole I’m charge of a hundred million dollar franchise?
by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2010 4:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
i don't get mo's logic
boog has one bad year – ONE – and he’s not our starting SS anymore. meanwhile, he let stav be on our team for three or so years and he didn’t do squat.
in fairness to mo it is a lot easier to find defensive wizard SS than it is to find fat bad backup corner OF
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
it is?
it used to be, a few seasons ago. it’s not, right now. all the young ones are inexperienced. all the good ones are getting older.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Nope, stav is a one in a million MLB talent(well two if you count Pagnozzi)
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
one bad year after one good year
hate to bring facts to the discussion, but Boog has 261 starts at SS, which includes 124 last year and only 95 in 2009. And Stav has 4 more PA’s than Boog has starts at SS.
MO seems like a nice guy to me
This seems like a bad decision, but I’m sure…something…ummm
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Nov 30, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
this is also the guy who said we'll be adding 15-20hr power this offseason
mo is full of shit
by YesWeOquendo on Nov 30, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
Theriot quialifies.
He does have 16 HRs after all. It’s just a shame it took him 2452 ABs to get it
I am sure the Walrus can play RF...
Boog for Starting Shortstop in 2011!
good-bye cruel world.....
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
don't do it, IHB
he needs you more than ever
maybe even
now, tonight
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i'm seriously unhappy.
i don’t understand why you would make a move that weakens your MIF defense behind a pitch to contact staff that includes a pitcher with one of the highest GB% in baseball.
i want to know how carp feels about this.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
he just figures he'll outlive them all.
sorry, dude. hug?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
o<
those are my outstretched arms
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
}o
there, there.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
There, there
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2010 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
my fave youtube trick
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Cool
Never saw that before. I just assumed y’all would either watch all of it, or scroll to the approx time. Those guts are sort of gross, but I love this movie (and book).
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2010 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
So
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2010 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
thanks to Y2S
use youtubetime.com
truly incredible, i was shocked too
by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 30, 2010 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
isn't it great?
it’s like magic.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
damn you beat me
at least i gave you credit…
and yes its a modern internet marvel….
by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 30, 2010 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
Hey guys
Did you hear about this site called youtubetime.com ?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
no glove, no love, man.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Dec 1, 2010 2:45 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
is friremoandtlr.com taken yet?
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
F ME I'M SO PISSED I CAN'T TYPE STRAIGHT
firemoandtlr.com
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
This is the wrong fucking move.
Skip as a second baseman has been worth less than 1 WAR per season. Boog at SS is a 1.5-2 WAR player at short. Ryan Theriot was fucking worse than Brendan Ryan last year and has similar upside if he gets his walk rate under control.
Enter vivaelpujols
My great wit allows me to interject that by assuming the partakers of this conversation are inbedded and perhaps romantically entangled, rather than indeed, the truthful observation that they are both platonic and standing upright. Great comedy may be produced!! -Aranathor
This sums up my thinking.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Mine too.
Enter vivaelpujols
My great wit allows me to interject that by assuming the partakers of this conversation are inbedded and perhaps romantically entangled, rather than indeed, the truthful observation that they are both platonic and standing upright. Great comedy may be produced!! -Aranathor
this
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2010 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
well, guess that means 2011 is free
I’ll go clear my calendar now…
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Yep. Kinda like rearranging spark plug cables on a sputtering engine
Testicle-exploding shit storms, to date: T.E.S.S. '08, T.E.S.S. '09, T.E.S.S. '10
Don't dis the man who brought us...
Khalil Greene! This gem from Mo, 2008-12-05:
“We couldn’t be more pleased to have acquired a shortstop with the solid combination of offense and defense that Khalil Greene brings to our ballclub.” Mozeliak added that he saw the trade as a “perfect match.”
"Beckett’s retired 19 batters through Six and a third innings, he’s having a phenomonal night…" --Tim McCarver
That was actually an okay transaction
That turned out terribly. Not really Mo’s fault
Now the DeRo deal on the other hand…
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I don't blame Mo for Khalil's off-the-field issues.
But I strongly disliked that trade from the moment it happened. And he wasn’t cheap.
The DeRo deal was not much better, but at least we did have a need and plenty of CP depth. I think we all figured Perez had the potential to be a legit MLB CP.
"Beckett’s retired 19 batters through Six and a third innings, he’s having a phenomonal night…" --Tim McCarver
I blame Mo for not being aware of the issues before the trade.
After Khalil’s mental issues became public, it surfaced that the Padres had also known but that the Cardinals did not know until after acquiring him. I don’t know how he allowed this to happen. Had he known, the package given up for Khalil might have been lesser.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
...you realize that teams don't have to be honest when trading players, right?
“Oh hey is there anything wrong with this dude?”
“Nope!”
Should we require all players to undergo extensive psychological testing?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
True.
And why he continued to deal with the Pads GM is beyond me.
I think bgh brings up a good point, tho. That being: It’s crucial for GMs to do their research. Had Mo done his research instead of staring at Khalil’s 2007 stat line, maybe he would have made a better, more informed decision. Had he checked with other baseball scouts/acquaintances around SD at the time, he probably would’ve found out.
"Beckett’s retired 19 batters through Six and a third innings, he’s having a phenomonal night…" --Tim McCarver
it was a different Pads GM.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
You're right.
Good call. For some reason, I thought Towers was still there when Luddy was moved. E-kallaway.
Still think Towers is a jerk.
"Beckett’s retired 19 batters through Six and a third innings, he’s having a phenomonal night…" --Tim McCarver
But Jim Rome likes him...
wait, nevermind.
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
Bam!
"Beckett’s retired 19 batters through Six and a third innings, he’s having a phenomonal night…" --Tim McCarver
Mo is no Jack Z, that's fo' sho'
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
psyche problems were evident with kalel while still pad
bad job jmo
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
I would certainly attempt it if I were a GM.
They undergo a physical, why not psychological testing, as well?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
You know how you always remember exactly where you were when tragic events happen?
I remember precisely where I was when I heard the news of that trade. I was in Arnold exiting 141 onto 55 S. Southbound, indeed.
"Beckett’s retired 19 batters through Six and a third innings, he’s having a phenomonal night…" --Tim McCarver
how many negative WAR will Skip be, again?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
skip was bad enough to lose his job last year
i don’t see how it’ll be any different this year. the two best of theriot, boog and skip will get most of the playing time
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seems likely
I know I’m delusional, but maybe the Cardinals still have plans to make a somewhat impacty trade for MIF help?
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Nov 30, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
I don't believe they do
But I’m hoping here. This team is so close to being elite.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Nov 30, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
According to B-R
he has never been more than a 1.8 WAR player.
His mediocre bat does not justify replacing arguably the best defensive shortstop of the last 1.5 seasons
I am sure the Walrus can play RF...
Yes.
We are still in 2010, you know
I am sure the Walrus can play RF...
Boog for Starting Shortstop in 2011!
But the season is over.
Last year now means 2010.
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
has no one mentioned...
that Theriot has also cost us a lvery real chance of getting to see this in our ballpark?
While Spinning.
How much were yours? 34 dollars. You know you got a pay raise... right?
we already concluded that she's not that hot
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who's this we? Erin is smoking hot, i think she's married though
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
She's too short
and only mildly cute. Get with the program, gdm.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2010 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
Wait, too short?
Definitely not a disqualifier. I do agree that her looks are not that outstanding, however.
by ArkansasTravs on Nov 30, 2010 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
she has kind of a manly look to her
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manly? i don't see that at all
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
dont listen to him
he brags about the TSA dudes hitting on him
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
he said he liked my butt
don’t be jelluz
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by prophetjohn on Nov 30, 2010 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
never underestimate the value of a good butt
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
I will sign the petition...
tell me where
While Spinning.
How much were yours? 34 dollars. You know you got a pay raise... right?
As one who was pushing for this...
and discussing it heavily…. I accept the fullest measure of the blame!
While Spinning.
How much were yours? 34 dollars. You know you got a pay raise... right?
I was just about to mention this
I thought I told you to trim those sideburns!
by martimeryard on Nov 30, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
DAMN IT, GOOLD.
When I get home tonight, I’m going to buy a big block of ice and create an ice sculpture of Brendan Ryan #FreeTheStache about 1 hour ago via Tweetie for Mac
101ESPNFastLane Mozeliak-Unless something else happens, Theriot is the Cardinals starting shortstop. 35 minutes ago via web Retweeted by dgoold and 12 others
@dgoold That’s a flag. 32 minutes ago via Tweetie for Mac in reply to dgoold
@2xAught7 Seems to be a statement made to encourage competition. 32 minutes ago via web in reply to 2xAught7
@dgoold Does Theriot make B.Ryan expendable? Or does B.Ryan move to 2B and then move Schu back to the OF? 10 minutes ago via TweetDeck
@ourss96 Can’t see a move to 2B. Perhaps the former. 1 minute ago via web in reply to ourss96
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Why are they insisting so bad on Theriot being the SS?
I am sure the Walrus can play RF...
Boog for Starting Shortstop in 2011!
it is as if they have no idea he can play 2B
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
in what universe do they live in where skip schumaker is better than brendan ryan?
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2010 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
Planet Grit
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Theriot probably wouldn't be that bad at SS
The guy has a career UZR/150 of +1.4 at SS, and his only negative seasons were 2006 and 2010, which had sample sizes of 2 and 28 games started respectively.
Granted, it is a bit nerve-wracking that his most recent age-30 season is the one that had a (quite) negative fielding value, but it’s hardly enough to determine whether or not he’ll be a decent SS next year.
Boog may well wind up being a better option than him next year (and Theriot’s offense isn’t so hot either) , but this is still a trade for another viable SS option that cost us (essentially) nothing.
Could Colby Rasmus hit a ball so hard that even he couldn't catch it?
except we needed a viable 2B and 3B option WAY WAY WAY MORE than SS.
perhaps one more WAY.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Lifetime defensive stats for Theriot:
Zone Fielding Runs Above Average
SS: -2
2B: 6
Per 1200 Innings:
SS: -1
2B: 3
TOTAL Zone Fielding Runs Above Average:
SS: -5
2B: 4
Brendan Ryan Lifetime:
Zone Fielding Runs Above Average: 35
Per 1200 Innings: 21
TOTAL Zone Fielding Runs Above Average: 41
I am sure the Walrus can play RF...
Boog for Starting Shortstop in 2011!
by Paulspike on Nov 30, 2010 5:15 PM EST up reply actions 11 recs
So... this is evidence that he's better at 2B than SS, and that Boog is a better defender?
Neither of those is very surprising.
My point is merely that this is still a good trade, Theriot may still be a decent option at SS (even if he’d almost certainly be better at 2B where there is greater need), and perhaps most importantly that the offseason starting SS title is pretty much meaningless.
Could Colby Rasmus hit a ball so hard that even he couldn't catch it?
by Cardinals645 on Nov 30, 2010 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
Probably not evidence that he's better at 2B than SS...
only that the average SS is better defensively than the average 2B, so he looks “better” when compared to the average for the respective positions.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 30, 2010 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
If Boog sticks around
I wouldn’t be all that surprised to eventually see Boog at SS and Theriot at 2B. Guess I’m not particularly high on Skippy.
why did you pick those metrics?
by UZR and DRS, he’s an above average defender at SS, UZR has him above average at 2B and DRS has him -1 at 2B
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SS UZR/150 – 1.4
2B UZR/150 – 4.4
SS DRS – 7
2B DRS – -1
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Miles was a terrible defender so Theriot must be as well.
They’re both short white guys who play MIF!
Please put away those silly stats that show Theriot, for his career, is an above average defender at both MIF positions. Irrelevant!
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 30, 2010 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
so lemme get this straight
we are displacing the best defensive SS in baseball for a guy who only played 28 games there last year and had a negative UZR/150 instead of displacing our 2B who was the worst full time 2B in BASEBALL last year, when said guy played 992 innings at 2B and was significantly better?
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
As evidenced by the stats
posted above you that took me like a million years to get.
I am sure the Walrus can play RF...
Boog for Starting Shortstop in 2011!
yeah i didnt bother to get too many stats. just going off the obvious. but your post says a lot more than mine does.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
I'll rec your work.
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IHB is closer
the economy prevents me from sending a hug all the way to you. sorry.
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Haha
I will be traveling to Orlando for a vacation trip. Perhaps that’s easier on your pocket.
I am sure the Walrus can play RF...
Boog for Starting Shortstop in 2011!
If you're going this week or next, you should stop by the baseball winter meetings
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I'm going two days after they end :(
I am sure the Walrus can play RF...
Boog for Starting Shortstop in 2011!
i also rec'd it
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
[charlie brown aaaaaauuuugggghhh]
ok, I gotta go.
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ALRIGHT YOU FUCKERS. THIS IS WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN
WE’RE GONNA SIGN LANCE FUCKING BERKMAN FOR $7 MILLION
WE’RE GONNA MOVE HIM TO LF SO MATT FUCKING HOLLIDAY CAN PLAY RF
WE’RE GONNA TRADE JAY + BOOG/SKIP + A MOTHERFUCKING PROSPECT TO ARIZONA FOR STEPHEN FUCKING DREW OR KELLY FUCKING JOHNSON
ONLY THEN WILL I BE SATIATED
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
your fiancee will be waiting a while?
is that what you’re saying
idgi
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by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you know what, that would really make sense
we’ll have a 1B playing LF, a LF playing RF, a RF playing 2B, a 2B playing SS, and an IHB stabbing her eyes out.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
by IHeartBoog on Nov 30, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
but then Matt Holliday would become a True Cardinal
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Allen Craig for second base!
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2010 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
Actually Berkman and Craig would be a pretty damn good platoon
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Let's be rational here
How much does the Opening Day SS really matter? The best of Boog/Skip/Theriot are going to play. Don’t worry about what Mo says
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
who's making that decision from day to day, again?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
The dude known for changing his lineup day to day?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
This team has a bad concept of the term "best"
Last year our “best” 4th OF was Nick Stavinoha for a while and our “best” backup INF was Miles. The year after that, our “best” 3B was Joe Thurston…
I am sure the Walrus can play RF...
Boog for Starting Shortstop in 2011!
jon jay got twice as many PAs as stav
craig the same
and i’d wager that stav got very few as an OFer
who was a better 3B in 2009? barden?
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his numbers at 1B are not encouraging
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To the point that Houston immediately platooned him with Carlos Lee
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
In '09, he was.
I believe we are pretending like it’s 2009.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
i thought the Hoff was at second
and apparently not that good?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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i dunno, i always wondered why they cut him loose
someone here at VEB said that.
being on the internet, I believed them.
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that would be a viable argument if 2010 did not happen
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
What are the odds Freese's ankles shatter in 2011?
…
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
at least 3:1
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
they'll play theriot at third then
- CFIC shudders*
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2010 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
one space is all it took to make my comment look insane
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2010 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
This is true. Remember who our starting SS was in 2009...
I forget his name, but I think he batted clean up that game.
Testicle-exploding shit storms, to date: T.E.S.S. '08, T.E.S.S. '09, T.E.S.S. '10
As long as Boog stays
then I’m somewhat confident that talent will, in the end, win out. However, misguided souls may feel that he (Boog) is now expendable and end up trading him for some shiny new bauble. Oh, wait, some gritty, old bauble.
by ArkansasTravs on Nov 30, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
the problem is
that Boog’s consistent character flaw is not having that confidence, despite being the most talented guy in the room.
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Let's not get too crazy here
“Most talented guy in the room”? What room is Brendan Ryan standing in where he’s more talented than a bunch of other people on the Cardinals? Unless this is a room where only defense matters, which would be a weird room.
i believe that is the mcdonalds
on west 51st and mccarver
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eh, I should have couched that in hypotheticals.
I mean, when he excels in one area, he never talks it up or seems convinced that he’s actually good at it.
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GROUND FLOOR, BRENDAN. GROUND FLOOR.
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WE LET JOE MATHER GO, OH NOOO.
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Keith Olbermann tweet
This is even MORE amusing: Ryan Theriot, traded by Dodgers to Cardinals, is trending. WORLDWIDE.
Fire John Mozeliak
seriously?
ok, I gotta look at that.
/masochist
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I managed to catch a VEB'er on there
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aw fuuuu, sorry guys
somehow it stripped the target off
open in new tag.
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since the roto side bar on the front page
suggests Skippy could be a non-tender candidate….how do you non-tender someone who’s already under contract for next season?
i'm actually okay with this trade if used properly
ryan theriot is skip schumaker offensively with better defense at second base. then you can use skippy/jay in right field where skippy is better defensively anyway. except that makes sense, so of course skippy is going to stay at second with theriot taking starts away from boog. so i hate this trade.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 30, 2010 5:24 PM EST reply actions
but it won't be used properly.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
hence why i said this
except that makes sense, so of course skippy is going to stay at second with theriot taking starts away from boog. so i hate this trade.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 30, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
You have basically summarized today's discussion
I am sure the Walrus can play RF...
Boog for Starting Shortstop in 2011!
just making sure.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 30, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
Skip Schumaker is not better than Jon Jay defensively in any outfield position.
Skip is both our worst defensive infielder and our worst defensive outfielder.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
my point is that he's better in right than he is at second.
that’s all i meant. i was absolutely not inferring that skip is better than jay at right, which is simply untrue. actually, skip schumaker now presents no value to this team whatsoever. he should be released.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 30, 2010 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
Which would be a good move
Because it would force the team to use Theriot at 2B
I am sure the Walrus can play RF...
Boog for Starting Shortstop in 2011!
Tony on the Fastlane...
Hopes that Mo keeps doing what he is doing, adding depth to our roster…
has heard from several players who like what Theriot brings to the team, the fit that he is….
Likes the fact that Theriot adds depth to the infield….
doesn’t want to answer a question that may become mute (when asked if one of Boog or Theriot comes into spring training with the upper hand in the ss competition) Was really kind of a blow off of the question the way that I read it.
Likes having Tallet in the pen…
kisses MO’s ass saying he is doing good work so far this offseason.
Go Rams, Go Blues!
While Spinning.
How much were yours? 34 dollars. You know you got a pay raise... right?
(moot. only correcting b/c it's one of my favorite words.)
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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good job on the liveblogs, btw!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I actually like how he answered the Boog/Theriot question
That’s how stupid Mo should’ve answered it
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I agree.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Actually rereading it, it seems like he's more implying that Boog is gonna get traded
FUUUUUUUUUUU
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
i've had that thought all along
as soon as mo said ‘upgrading at SS is our priority’, it meant bye bye boog. for no reason other than ONE BAD YEAR. boog gets no love from the front office. veb has a sad.
Why do you keep repeating "ONE BAD YEAR" as if
Brendan Ryan has had more than “ONE GOOD YEAR” in his career?
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 30, 2010 5:52 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
he makes people laugh and is likable.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
by Evilfrog on Nov 30, 2010 5:53 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
people like boog
everyone on this site likes boog. He is a fun guy.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
He's a Shoulder-Lickahhh!
;=8)
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
indeed
not sure why he thought it was sarcasm
by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 30, 2010 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
sure as hell is
but i want the best team and boog is only necessarily the best option if we have terrible options
please note the emphasis
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oh, i thought he was talking about me, not boog
yeah, boog is definitely likable. no doubt. my bad E
hey Mo: theriot at 2B, boog at SS.
at the risk of been run out of town, this is unfortunately true.
Blessed are they who are pleasant to blog with....
oops I meant being run out of town.
my typing skills are eroding. I need swype on my laptop.
Blessed are they who are pleasant to blog with....
I rec'd it
But I’m still worried about all the ground balls being hit against our staff not going toward Boog.
I'm sure d-dee will put it more clearly.
that bad year was precipitated by wrist surgery, a shortened spring training, and Brendan thrown into an offensive role he was not ready for because the rest of the lineup was sucking.
he had a bad year not in terms of his MLB career, but the worst career of his adult life.
unless you’re saying all those factors are going to magically replicate themselves, you cannot argue that this bad year is going to be the trend going forward.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
year, rather.
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
exactly
he went into the Mac hiring as the first student in, and immediately resolved to change his batting stance. A LOT.
it’s so very convenient to average out his numbers without looking at the underlying causes. have fun with your spreadsheets.
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but the good year
consists of 105 starts and 429 PAs which followed a pretty sucky part time 2008 and a nice breakout post all star game 2007. I guess he is due in 2011 if the pattern holds.
he was used really peculiarly, which accounts for some of that.
he’s been blocked by about 4 or 5 different guys.
I’m not saying the good year is the trend, either. but there is nothing in events that allow the argument “there is no more upside, ever, go away”.
it’s a gamble on that upside, but the payoff is the kind that only comes five or six times a generation.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I agree that there is upside
but the reality is Boog could easily become Cesar Izturis. He’ll have 2011 to prove himself or he’ll become a perennial non tender candidate. Hopefully the Cards see the gamble is worth $1.5-$2 mm.
The “one bad year” meme is implying multiple good years which just isn’t true.
since when?
that’s false. that’s not what the meme says. and this one, I’ve watched.
most of us are saying — if the Cards don’t give him a chance to succeed, he won’t succeed. there is a lot of prior evidence for that. meanwhile we get comments like WMT’s implying he’s no better than a replacement player.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
there is a huge potential for him to be the SS going forward
being paid next to nothing for his services. every other SS candidate out there — I don’t see anyone else in the market that the Cards can swing a similar deal with.
and quite frankly, if we lose him as the SS going forward, we get the same problem anyway. why try to buy into that problem right now? with a ground-ball-heavy pitching staff?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
what's the meme mean then
I usually follow these but all I’m getting from this one is player A has had several good years and is coming off a bad year. sorry to be dense.
I've never implied that he's no better than a replacement player.
I’ve “implied” that he’s not “perhaps the best SS in baseball” and otherwise not as good as all the overwrought handwringing here suggests.
You seem to think you intimately understand Boog’s mental state and the psychological reasons for his poor performance this past year, which I find weird and creepy. I honestly don’t think you’re capable of objectively analyzing Boog or the FO’s decisions concerning the SS position.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 30, 2010 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
good for you.
then I’ll stop arguing with you, because you’ve pretty much stated you’re not interested in listening at all.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
though it does amuse me
that someone who won’t look at all the information and context
calls someone else non-objective.
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that's what i got out of it
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ayup
i’m okay with the trade. I hope Ryan wins the job and Theriot can be the super-sub.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
someone get Mozeliak on the phone
tell him to dfa skip
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2010 5:34 PM EST reply actions
um
Theriot…okay…but replacing BOOG? Excuse me, but WHAT EXACTLY THE FUCKING HELL IS BEING MO THINKING
AAAAAAAH SO PISSED
I'm not trolling, just being sarcastic.
Ruben Gotay
That is all.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
Bernie:
If the Cardinals are indeed handing SS job to Theriot, then I don’t like it as much
I am sure the Walrus can play RF...
Boog for Starting Shortstop in 2011!
......duh!
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 30, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
I was just perusing BCB and they are thrilled Theriot is with the Cards.
They are looking forward to a Theriot / Miles double play combo. Sheesh
Blessed are they who are pleasant to blog with....
He is their Miles.
Remember when we rejoiced that the Cubs had signed Miles to a two-year contract?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Spring Training cannot come soon enough.
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
So Google's gonna buy Groupon
Good move
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
and google controlling the earth moves one step closer to being reality.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 30, 2010 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
Meh. I mean this is purely a financial move on their part
Previously, their only real source of income was AdSense and AdWords
This is just a new revenue stream for them. And if Groupon is actually making $50 million a month, as is reported, buying them out for $5.3 billion is looking like a pretty damn good deal
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
wiki
Google earned US$2.04 billion ($8.16 billion annualized), or 30% of total revenue, through AdSense.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
wtf sbn.
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Unless I'm reading this financial table wrong
Google receives 97% of its revenues from advertising
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1288776/000119312509150129/dex992.htm
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
sure, it's a great move for google and i'm sure it's a good thing for the public.
i was just making a joke about google. i actually like google. a lot.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 30, 2010 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
I have no sense of humor.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Well, your face makes me laugh.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
rec
for the sheer fact that mysterui likes to make fun of my face.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 30, 2010 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
holy shit
is groupon really that popular? interesting
ive use them once but only because someone mentioned it
by guillermozeliak on Dec 1, 2010 6:42 AM EST up reply actions
Why are replacing the guy with the plus plus glove and the minus minus bat...
…and not the guy with the minus to minus minus glove and the minus bat?
Especially since the plus plus glove guy plays SS?
I guess Bill James would say that the bat minuses outweigh the glove minueses.
But at SS?
been covered ad nauseum
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oddly enough, the cubs fans are more despondent about Theriot than we are about Brendan.
almost.
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
really, i don't mind the trade
it’s the ‘theriot will start at SS’ part that has me pissed.
hey Mo: theriot at 2B, boog at SS.
I was talking more fan reaction.
some of them sound suicidal.
then again, i can’t tell if cubs fans just always sound that way.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i agree...
I do not object to Tony’s perspective of Good depth….
I do dissaprove of the scoffing notion that Theriot is the favorite to get the bulk of the play at short.
I think the combo of Boog and Theriot turning the keystone is much more attractive than the combo of Theriot and Skip…
Don’t get me wrong I love skip (irrationally) and was a proponent of trying him at second a long time ago… but I think we can all see how that has turned out….. If you can have a rotation of skip and theriot at second with theriot gettting the occassional spell at short, the trade looks much better.
While Spinning.
How much were yours? 34 dollars. You know you got a pay raise... right?
well... the Sign Guy is with us.
don’t you feel better now
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I didn't find them despondent. I found them ridiculously happy about it.
It must have been on the next page.
Blessed are they who are pleasant to blog with....
that's bcb
they actually know.
i’m looking through the twitter/p-d forum quality crowds.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Sheesh
I leave for a couple of hours, to practice some piano before a lesson, and then I come back, and the comments have blown up! WTF, VEB? Just because there’s a couple of low-level acquisitions? B Ryan ain’t goin’ nowhere. He’s now our super-sub, and the grit will come out.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2010 5:48 PM EST reply actions
No, I meant B Ryan's grit. He will get even grittier.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2010 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
updated my sig
to express how i feel about the prospect of replacing boog with theriot as starting ss. I say let theriot play second. skip can move to bat boy
In St. Louis, Missouri, Boog related crimes are considered especially heinous. The dedicated fans who investigate these vicious felonies are members of an elite squad known as Viva El Birdos. These are their stories. DUH DUHN
by emrfg8 on Nov 30, 2010 5:48 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Skip to bat boy might generate even more revenue for the Cards.
how many times a game would he bend over by the green seats?
there’ll be bidding wars.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i'm reccing it
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
groan
facepalm
Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?
by jd is legend on Nov 30, 2010 5:58 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
HE'S ALIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Indeed
Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?
by jd is legend on Dec 1, 2010 12:26 AM EST up reply actions
1 year of ESPN insider and the magazine for $2
over at http://home.dailysteals.com/... thought it was a solid deal….thought I’d pass it along
check out VEB on facebook...just search groups for Viva El Birdos
It's up on SlickDeals
They don’t post unless they deal is legit
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Has anyone mentioned that Theriot is also a terrible baserunner?
I mean, Yadi won’t be picking him off 1st any more, but it goes beyond that. Didn’t Tony or someone acknowledge the 2010 Cards’ shitty baserunning and vow to address it?
And so they go and acquire Ryan Theriot, a guy so inept on the basepaths that Bleed Cubbie Blue coined an acronym to describe it?
i keep wanting to leave
but this just gets better and better. apologies for quoting Gordon, but he’s the only source I see off-hand. he’s probably #poachin’.
- Theriot: “I’m finally on the right side of the Cubs-Cardinals rivalry.” 5 minutes ago via TweetDeck
BURNNNNNNN. - Theriot: “I can’t tell you how excited myself and my family were . . . you have wonderful Hall of Fame manager, a storied tradition.” 4 minutes ago via TweetDeck
Wash your hands before you touch that pie. - Theriot: “I enjoyed the rivalry. Tony had a cool little style. I knew we would have to position the infield a little… ”http://bit.ly/fyUfcu" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/fyUfcu 3 minutes ago via TweetDeck
You’ll find out about that soon enough. - Theriot: “I want to prepare to play in October. It’s more a team-oriented thing for me.” 2 minutes ago via TweetDeck
Yes, little utility infielder. You are now free. - Theriot: “I want to steal more bags. If you can steal bases and get into scoring position, that equates to scoring more runs.” 1 minute ago via TweetDeck
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
there’s more coming in right now, but I’m freaking out.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I have to go vomit my grilled cheese sandwich.
you’re all on your own now.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
..........nooooooooooooooooo.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
OH MY GOD A;DJFAL/SDKFJAL/KA;SF
the hidden track #6 troubles me the most
Theriot: “I won two division (titles) at shortstop. It’s a position I played my whole life. It’s a position I feel comfortable at. Playing second base was more of an adjustment, to be honest with you.”
a little too happy
he’s got to stop thinking like a cub
don’t ever think title till you’ve got the division
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
here's what I was lookin' for
interview
http://media.kfns.com/Podcasts/1670/Segment_5_11-30-10.mp3
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Best thing I've read all day
The Story of Divergent USC Quarterbacks
http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/2010/11/photo-story-a-tale-of-two-matts-cassel-and-leinart/
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
fuck usc.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 30, 2010 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
We had Bill Nye MOTHERFUCKING pass out on stage for us two weeks ago
What has YOUR school done?!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
had bill nye last year.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 30, 2010 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
that was dumb...
and i hate mark sanchez more than i did before after reading that – and i really really hated him before….
by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 30, 2010 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
How the hell does someone hate Mark Sanchez?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
cause he is a terrible quarterback
and people think he’s good thanks to ESPN and his talent around him
plus those pictures of him modeling make me think he is a douchebag….
by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 30, 2010 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
There is literally nothing to indicate that he's a terrible quarterback
And he’s actually a nice guy. Ran into him on campus a couple of times, have heard stories of friends who’ve had him in class. Polite, shows up to class every day, very outgoing
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
what?
put it this way…. he has an 81.9 QB rating (average), 16 TDs, 8 INTs (2-1 – average), 55.2% CP (pretty awful)….
then consider that he has one of the best offensive lines in the game, three good receivers, a Top 5 NFL TE and the league’s best defense in case he fucks up….
he is oh so overrated
by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 30, 2010 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
So just because a 2nd year quarterback isn't putting up Peyton Manning stats, he's terrible?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
yeh cause those numbers right there are peyton manning stats....
81.9 QB rating with his talent around him isn’t that good… believe it or not… its about middle of the pack and when you add in the fact that he has the most talented team in the league with him, it makes him a below average QB
by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 30, 2010 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
...?
Try reading my post again?
He might be a slightly below average QB, yeah. But you said “terrible,” which implies bottom-5 in the NFL
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
semantics...
haha i was just stealing joker’s usage
by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 30, 2010 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
my point was that people think he's a good QB
and he most definitely is not
by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 30, 2010 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
No you said that he was a terrible quarterback
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
And Matt Cassel isn't very good either
Congrats to him that the running game sucks 8 into the box every play.
Not afraid to nitpick
Please show me objectively that Matt Cassel is not a good quarterback
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
8 in the box every play
Yet only 60% completion, 18th in the league in yards/attempt. He doesn’t have interceptions because it’s single coverage.
The Chiefs’ running game has been ridiculous—-almost 300 yards ahead of 2nd place!—-Cassel has to throw less than any QB in the league, I’d hope his QB rating is really good. He’s an average QB.
Not afraid to nitpick
So he's only average because he's put up good stats with a good running game?
Nobody’s saying he’s an elite quarterback (at least I’m not)
He’s a good quarterback putting up great stats. Nothing indicates that he’s "not very good’
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
sam bradford is better than any quarterback out of usc.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 30, 2010 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
you sound overly excited about that.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 30, 2010 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
I'm a Rams fan
Once they’re out of college, I don’t really care how USC players do. I wish them well, but when it comes to the NFL, it’s all about the Rams
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
thanks for your contribution to our conversation.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 30, 2010 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
we could be friends.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 30, 2010 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
shut up.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 30, 2010 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
Go Falcons
Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?
by jd is legend on Dec 1, 2010 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
...
http://twitter.com/JoeStrauss/status/9743415143038976
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2010 6:11 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
blockquotes are your friend
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
or rather, the friend of people at work
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
...
Theriot makes clear a strong preference to play SS. My understanding is he’ll get his wish. B. Ryan on the clock.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
that unicorn is way to f'ing manly
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
are you threatened by it
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
the beta males association has voted "yes" on this action item.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
I forgot all about them.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Beta male is such a great insult
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
facebook is now suing you for trademark infractions.
it’ll get to the others soon.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
.....yes.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2010 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
More importantly
Theriot = no Miles with any semblance of intelligent thought.
Not afraid to nitpick
I'm as pro-La Russa as anybody on this website
but I don’t think there’s ever a situation where he thinks to himself, “That should be enough scrappy little overachievers with heart for now.”
by DanUpBaby on Nov 30, 2010 6:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Basically
I heard “Theriot trade” and that was my first thought. Way too busy with MBA stuff to worry about anything other than things less important than how bad Miles is.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Nov 30, 2010 8:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yo bro I was just wondering if anybody happened to know Miles' BA on groundballs handy
Seems like it’d be a pretty helpful stat to show how lucky he got, but that’s just me
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
So now we're paying $6 million for Skip and Theriot?
We could have gone year to year with Skip, non-tendered him this offseason, and then acquired someone who was actually good with our $6 million.
Mo fail.
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
by guayzimi on Nov 30, 2010 6:47 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
really the only reason this bothers me is the money
if Theriot was cheap, I might be able to handle it better
i’ll try not to get too worked up over the SS comment when we haven’t even played a game
by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 30, 2010 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't worry too much about Ryan's playing time...
it’s going to be a three-way suck fest and whoever shows the faintest sign of life will play, in bed.
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
Am I the only one ...
… that noticed how fucking terrible Boog the Spaz was? He was miserable at the plate. I think he had like a 50 OPS+. He made me sick to my stomach all season.
by QuadCitiesCardsFan on Nov 30, 2010 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
congratulations.
yes, we did.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Im just sayin ...
… all the “outrage” is ridiculous.
I’m just noticing that I replied to prophet’s post, and he was probably being sarcastic.
by QuadCitiesCardsFan on Nov 30, 2010 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
In the worst offensive season you could probably imagine with terrible luck, he was still a 1.3 WAR player
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
You didn't have to watch Theriot last season.
With a .305 BABIP, he put up a .286 wOBA. Ryan, on the other hand, only had a .253 BABIP which helped fuel his horrible .256 wOBA.
I’m not saying that Ryan was remotely good at the plate. I’m just saying that Theriot had a roughly league-average BABIP yet still only musted a .286 wOBA. His line is scarily similar to Skip’s, except Skip had a lower BABIP and a higher wOBA than Theriot. Sure, it was one season, but here are Theriot’s last three wOBAs: .338, .318, and .286. I find this worrisome and am not at all convinced that Theriot will be even the .319 wOBA offensive player that he has been for his career. The Bill James projection for Theriot is a .307 wOBA. For Ryan, it’s .288. I bet a .288-wOBA Ryan would have a higher WAR than a .307-wOBA Theriot.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Nov 30, 2010 8:54 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
but tony wanted a proven veteran
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2010 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
so far they have resigned
Westy, and signed a Loogy and traded for the riot
so what other moves?
This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers
Kick Brendan Ryan off the 40-man...
assign him to the Venezuela league?
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
I'm firmly on the Lance Berkman bandwagon
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
to play where?
right field? He hasn’t played more than token minutes out there since about 2005
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
Holliday's said that he's happy to move to RF if the team acquires a LF
Berkman in left, Holliday in right
Platoon Berkman and Craig in left if you so desire
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
He'll be great as a DH next October...
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
by guayzimi on Nov 30, 2010 7:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'll rec it.
Enter vivaelpujols
My great wit allows me to interject that by assuming the partakers of this conversation are inbedded and perhaps romantically entangled, rather than indeed, the truthful observation that they are both platonic and standing upright. Great comedy may be produced!! -Aranathor
Me two
I would like to see us sign him to a 1 year 5 million dollar deal and then package Skip and Jay for a decent second baseman.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2010 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
Well $7 million's been the number floated out there
But yeah
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
i hope so
it reminds me of the bobby abreu deal the angels game him.
1/5 seems a little team friendly, and i think other teams have a greater need for him
by YesWeOquendo on Nov 30, 2010 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
Theriot vs. Skippy / Boog
Theriot:
2010 – -0.1 WAR 70 OPS+
2009 – -0.7 WAR 83 OPS+
2008 – 1.0 WAR 92 OPS+
2007 – 1.8 WAR 71 OPS+
2006 – 1.7 WAR, 135 OPS+
Schumaker:
2010 – 0.4 WAR, 83 OPS+
2009 – 1.5 WAR 102 OPS+
2008 – 2.1 WAR 102 OPS+
2007 – 0.7 WAR 111 OPS+
Ryan:
2010 – 0.9 WAR 57 OPS+
2009 – 3.4 WAR 97 OPS+
2008 – 0.3 WAR 59 OPS+
2007 – 1.6 WAR 95 OPS+
We really just picked this guy up?…
Oh, and somehow, ESPN already has a picture of Theriot in a Cards uniform. Photoshop for the win?
fWAR is a lot kinder to theriot. FWIW.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
WTF?
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
Cubs Fan Replies to The Riot trade on Yahoo...
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“Some of you know I’m a cubs fan, but respect The Cards and (most) of thier fans. The Riot has shown potential, decent fielder, has a decent bat (when not swingin for the fences!) but, that said: Brain-dead on basepaths & you can’t buy him an important walk! Great quote I read: “I can’t walk, but I can run. Thought follows close behind me”…what am I? A) Ryan Theriot. We cub fans developed a stat for The Riot: TOOTBLAN. (Thrown Out On The Basepaths Looking A Nincompoop). Last count, I saw, Riot was in mid-20s for last year. Nice guy, decent player, needs to THINK on base BEFORE he acts. Good Luck Riot. Hope my cubbies can provide a bit more competition for the Cards in 2011! (Reds gotta, gotta be unseated!)"
TOOTBLAN??? I hope Mr. Carpenter has a nice chat with The Riot upon entering the premises…
:=8/
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
thank you
“when not swingin for the fences!” – does every fanbase have this thought cause i highly doubt Theriot, with 16 career homers, swings for the fences….
by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 30, 2010 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
TOOTBLAN
The best contribution Cubs fans have given baseball in quite some time.
"Beckett’s retired 19 batters through Six and a third innings, he’s having a phenomonal night…" --Tim McCarver
lol
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2010 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
bj rains tweet
Mo on B Ryan “..May be an opportunity for us to put him in a deal and that may make sense but there also may be a role as a super-utility.”/blockquote>
linky
hey Mo: theriot at 2B, boog at SS.
i can see it now
let’s tax his newly healed wrist by planting him at third base.
leaving might be a mercy.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
shhhhhhhhh
Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?
by jd is legend on Dec 1, 2010 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
Enlightening
Also, against the guidelines.
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
I know.
That blatant missed comma is disturbing.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 8:17 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
who's that knocking at your door, RiverRat......
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I don't know,
I’m still at work.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
the only direct attacks I find when I do that are either from you or directed at a university
by DanUpBaby on Nov 30, 2010 8:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah can we banhammer fang for that?
I was very offended
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
You should ban him
Just for a day or two. Just for fun. Just for giggles. Everyone loves giggles.
/plotting
fuck you.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 1, 2010 12:39 AM EST up reply actions
Is this a VEB-offshoot of a youtube comment?
Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?
by jd is legend on Dec 1, 2010 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
i say put fang, cody, vep, zoomzoom in a room, just for a day
let the giggling ensue
by YesWeOquendo on Nov 30, 2010 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
no, no.
you have to put a bed in the room
and make it fill up most of the square footage.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
What is this I don't even
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
are you threatened by beds?
if so, does your fiancee know?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
wow, the last time I spelled it out was the 18th.
I really thought I fell off the wagon lately.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
for the record
I’m not fond of shunning-by-mob.
I do like swift consequences for actions.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
brendan as super utility guy?
woh, mind is blown… think of the possibilities!
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
I see what they're doing here....
announcing him as the SS to take the rest of the league off guard when they trade for Hardy thus moving Theriot to second. Me like.
Bob Feller is THE prime example of a cranky old man...working with him a 8:00 AM has to be one of the most dangerous jobs in America.
this is my hope as well
hopefully it will drive down the price on Hardy as well because it looks like we “have” an SS already.
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hmmmm, interesting
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2010 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
hahaha
anyone posted this yet?
http://www.amazinavenue.com/2010/11/18/1820392/using-dfawarp-to-evaluate-the-mets
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
nerdbomb!!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
they rated Angel Pagan over Jose Reyes?
R.A. Dickey too?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
first time i read that in his post
i read nertlerb.
/f’n cow
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I wondah if dose guys ovah theah
still tink David F’in Wright is still in da same class as da Maching?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2010 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
Still
ya no?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2010 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
They mentioned the Waino-curveball
WIN
You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
Forsooth and Verily
Theriot may have gotten out just in time
the McCourts just failboated mediation. I’m skimming, but I take it the judge will decide.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
....
The McCourts now will await the ruling of Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Scott Gordon, who will decide the validity of a marital agreement that would provide Frank with sole ownership of the Dodgers. Jamie has asked Gordon to throw out that agreement, which could leave the ownership of the team in dispute for several years. Gordon has until Dec. 28 to rule.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
dear mo
paying more dolla bills for worse production is not a winning management strategy.
How depressing is it being you? Is it closer to being a lifelong cubs fan or being born without lips? - Janitor
theriot is worse than whom?
or are you referring to tallet?
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
seriously, we need a new FO & coaching staff
these stupid ass moves are doing nothing but continually wasting Albert’s, Lego’s, Wagonmaker’s & the rest of the better players best years. i’m sick & tired of this crap. they are either too stupid or too stubborn to be running the team anymore. fuck this shit, throw the bums out & get some people who know what they are doing DeWitt & Co. or for fucks sake at least sell the team to some owners who don’t put the franchise in the hands of incompetent morans
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
go have a drink
we replaced a 1 WAR player. this isn’t what’s going to make or break the team
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
Brendan Ryan is not a 1 WAR player
His career wOBA is .294 – over 600 PA that’s -17.7 runs. The positional adjustment for shortstop is +7.5 runs, and his career UZR/150 is 11.4 (in an inadequate sample, but that seems about right to me). Add it up and he’s a 2.1 WAR player.
Then again, Theriot is also possible a league average player going forward as well. The problem is that Skip is really the 1 WAR player, and we aren’t replacing him. Making Skip the starter at the expense of Ryan/Theriot is likely going to cost us a win next year – nothing to joke about.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2010 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
superboog may be the new secret weapon, however
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2010 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
He is ready to pitch the 25th inning...
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
this fits the definition of superutility, right?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2010 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
it's hard to find a better option at 2b for us (assuming that's how he gets used).
i would have liked ellis, scutaro, or jj hardy, but i don’t know how hard any of them were to get.
now, if they trade brendan ryan next week for a middle reliever, i will sign your petition.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
we all know that's going to happen & that's what has be upet
Theriot replacing Skip is probably a good idea, Theroit replacing Boog is not, yet that what’s going to happen
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
count me out of the group
that knows boog will be traded for middle relief. this is not something i know or suspect
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after what MO said today how can you all not expect that to happen?
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
because we have loads of relievers
and because we’re being objective
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Do we?
I like Anderson
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
what do back up catchers & relief pitchers have to do with this?
i don’t get how this effect theriot taking over SS from Boog. what am i missing?
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
now, if they trade brendan ryan next week for a middle reliever, i will sign your petition.
we all know that’s going to happen & that’s what has be upet
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if he's not traded he's going to be cut or demoted
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
i think john mozeliak is a pretty good general manager.
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by prophetjohn on Nov 30, 2010 7:55 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
when all we have to throw bitch fits about
is the handling of the worst players on our team…you see where this is going
but by all means, ignore the jake westbrook bargain, the market value holliday contract and all the other ones that matter and give yourselves ulcers over the complementary pieces
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well,
if any of his last 5 full seasons are any indication, he’s likely to produce above his contract and he signed for fewer years than he could have gotten elsewhere
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I think there's some value to pitchers whose last five seasons
didn’t happen over the last seven seasons
by DanUpBaby on Nov 30, 2010 8:03 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
chris carpenter just shouted an obscenity and doesn't know why.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Nov 30, 2010 8:04 PM EST up reply actions 14 recs
this can be said for every day during the offseason.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
jon garland says "no."
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
potentially
unless he needs motocross surgery in the future
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No, he signed for an almost perfect market value deal
We’re paying him like a 2 win player in each of the next two years – he’s old and coming off of injury, so that’s probably he’s median projection. He does have some upsdie though.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2010 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't consider Westbrook to be a bargain.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I think the signing was market value
But the probability that we get surplus value is higher than the probability that we give up value
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I agree with both of you.
Perhaps Cyber Monday had skewed my version of a bargain, but, paying market value with a nice upside (which I agree with completely as a description of the Westbrook signing) is not a bargain to me. It’s fair and I’m okay with it.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
It might not be a bargain in that we did not pay less than other teams would have paid
But we’re also likely to gain surplus value out of this, simply because 2 WAR has basically been his floor in his healthy seasons
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I think we did get him cheaper
Not by much, and mostly in years, but I think he could have gotten a little better deal elsewhere. He indicated so himself.
by ArkansasTravs on Nov 30, 2010 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
I think that he is below average
And the fact that he is influenced by Tony (the worst manager in baseball) makes the combination of the two terrible.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2010 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
what GMs are clealy better?
i can think of theo epstein
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whaaaa
Theo, Billy Beane, Cashman, guy on Rays, new saber guy on Jays – that’s just the AL East.
C’mon, Mo is clearly a below average GM. Look at the signings he’s made:
Lohse: 4/41
Westbrook: 2/17.5
Holliday: 7/120
Lopez: 1/1
That’s all I can think of right now. He’s either signed players for market value or well above, the only good deal he’s made was Lopez and that didn’t even turn out well (not that that means much).
Trades:
Got fleeced on Holliday (despite how Walrus has turned out)
Got boned on DeRosa
Got boned on Kahlil
Name one really good move he’s made.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2010 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
Shelby is a pitcher in the draft
That’s about as crapshooty as it gets. Besides, the draft is probably much more Luhnow’s deal.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2010 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
TINSTAAPP
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2010 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
i'll give you the rays GM
cashman is, well, a cash man. i don’t think he’s necessarily a better GM.
i don’t agree with you on any of the trades. how did he get fleeced on holliday?
one good move he’s made – the holliday contract. he was pretty much the exact same player as teixeira with the exact same agent and he got him for one less year and $100MM fewer years
name 15 active GMs who have pulled of something similar and i’ll give you the below average tag
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The Holliday contract was market value
Based on dollar per WAR analysis – comparing that with a freaking Yankees contract doesn’t prove anything (what is every contract good if it’s better than the ARod deal?). That’s an average move, and one with a lot of risk – it doesn’t take any skill to give a massive contract to a superstar.
Besides the original Lohse deal and maybe the Felipe deal, what’s a clearly above average move that he has made?
by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2010 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
market value for a boras client is an accomplishment
to answer your question, other than holliday, getting westbrook to stay for only two years at below market value
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Westbrook signed for market value, or at least close to it
Paying 2/17.5 for a 34 year old pitcher coming off of TJ surgery is not a clearly above average deal. And no, paying market value for Holliday is not an accomplishment, other than being the highest bidder.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2010 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
name the last high profile boras client
to go for market value
and westbrook signed for 2/16.5 (i thought) and admitted that he fielded offers for more years at a higher AAV. that’s not worth anything?
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Westbrook has a mutual option that requires a 1 million dollar buyout from the Cards
So I guess it’s like a 17 million dollar deal. It’s not a bad move but it’s pretty much the definition of a market value average deal, not something you point to as a clear win for the GM.
JD Drew, Johnny Damon.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2010 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
there's nothing to be said
for getting players to sign for less than other offers?
sorry, but i think you’re letting your personal feelings cloud your objectivity. i have a hard time believing that you think at least 15 MLB GMs are better than mo
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westbrook signed for 2/16.5 (i thought) and admitted that he fielded offers for more years at a higher AAV
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Oh, well that doesn't really mean it's a win for Mo, it just means other teams were being stupid
by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2010 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
who gets credit
for westbrook not taking the more money and more years?
is it the pie?
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it's all come full circle now
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Mo gets the credit, but that doesn't mean it was a good deal
It just means that Westbrook was being overvalued on the open market.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2010 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
Beane and Cashman are completely overrated.
Beane swaps out players like a nervous fantasy baseball GM. He also doesn’t understand that it would benefit the marketing department and fan morale to have at least one likeable player stick around a long time. Methinks he’s more concerned with having his own name in print than any of his players.
And Cashman? Please. His $ resources are endless. Easy to put together a good team when you really don’t have a $ cap.
"Beckett’s retired 19 batters through Six and a third innings, he’s having a phenomonal night…" --Tim McCarver
Their stadium does kinda suck.
We went to AT&T then rode BART to the Coliseum this Summer. The difference was day and night. AT&T was absolutely electric and beautiful. We walked into the Coliseum and it felt like we were on the set of Road Warrior. As a pure baseball fan, it was quite a let-down.
On the positive side, you can walk right up to the Coliseum ticket window at game time and score superb seats (ours were right behind the Angels dugout) for $50.
"Beckett’s retired 19 batters through Six and a third innings, he’s having a phenomonal night…" --Tim McCarver
It was like that in '83
when I was living in Berkeley, and went to a game there. Ugh. It’s now tied for the 4th oldest stadium in MLB.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2010 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
one of beane's problems is that he picked that likable star player to lock up
and it turned out to be eric chavez.
Ha.
So true.
"Beckett’s retired 19 batters through Six and a third innings, he’s having a phenomonal night…" --Tim McCarver
so, by definition,
Mo was smarter.
I’m not saying he’s the best one out there, I disagree with some moves, like others. But I do think you are dismissing his good deals while overstating the bad ones a bit.
by ArkansasTravs on Nov 30, 2010 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, he was smarter than the idiots who wanted to give Westbrook a higher than market value deal
I’ve said it was an average deal – PJ was the one referring to it as a clear Mo win.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2010 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
regardless of whether the deal was market value
the dude negotiated an important piece of our rotation into signing a contract which which less in years and AAV than other offers he had received
in what world is that not a win?
if you are offered x dollars for something and i get you to give me that something for x – y dollars, where y is a positive real number, i have clearly won.
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by prophetjohn on Nov 30, 2010 11:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Westbrook signed basically a 2 year 17 million dollar deal
Assuming 4.5 million per win and 5% inflation that equates to a just under a 2 WAR player. As a former 4 WAR player coming off of injury and who’s well past his prime, that seems a very reasonable median projection for Westbrook – making the deal market value. Average.
The fact that other GM’s were willing to go higher doesn’t mean that Mo’s deal was better than average, it means it was better than terrible. Which is average.
Mo may have “won”, but again, the deal was not something you can point to as a great deal. It was an average deal. As in better than 14.5 out of 30 GM’s. When you combine an average deal, with another average deal (Holliday), and a miserable deal (Lohse), and a whole host of other deals ranging from slightly above average to slightly below average, you have a below average GM.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2010 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
I liked Walt.
Mo’s been hit and miss. He hit a HR with the Holliday deal, but otherwise his wins have been largely of the dumpster-dive variety. Nothing wrong with that, but it’s like being a singles hitter.
I’ll give him Mo little more time before I join the lynch mob. He’s certainly more frugal and youth-focused. If Rasmus, Shelby, and/or Cox become legit MLB players, that will go a long way in solidifying my confidence in him and his co-workers.
"Beckett’s retired 19 batters through Six and a third innings, he’s having a phenomonal night…" --Tim McCarver
yeah
we’ll see how it goes with that rasmus punk
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"punk"
I think you’re onto something. Mohawk and tattoos for Colby!
"Beckett’s retired 19 batters through Six and a third innings, he’s having a phenomonal night…" --Tim McCarver
in a contest w/ only one bidder
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
Signing Lohse before the '08 season for pennies.
That first Lohse contract was wonderful.
Also, I say this as someone who was as critical of the Wallace trade as anyone (so much so that I still refer to it as “the Wallace trade”), but I think we need to ask ourselves if the Cardinals FO had an accurate scouting report on Wallace and projected him to be something less than all of our hopes, so they dumped him as soon as they could for the best commodity they could get in return. If this is so, then he should be given credit for the Wallace trade.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
who was it who brought in Ryan Ludwick?
I keep forgetting.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I believe that Ludwick gave an interview after the trade,
and said that Mo was one of his best friends in baseball because Mo advocated bringing him into our system. But, I could be wrong.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
it was so long ago
they were halcyon days…
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I believe you've confused Mo with Dave Murray.
"Beckett’s retired 19 batters through Six and a third innings, he’s having a phenomonal night…" --Tim McCarver
But that was on the advice of Dave Murray
who was already good friends with the Ludwicks.
"Beckett’s retired 19 batters through Six and a third innings, he’s having a phenomonal night…" --Tim McCarver
I agree about Lohse
But I don’t see why we should give the Cardinals credit just because Wallace hasn’t gotten better – that was always a possibility (it’s not like Wallace’s current development path is the One True Outcome).
by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2010 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
Well if you think with a certain degree of probability that a player is a lemon, and then trade him before everybody else figures out that he's a lemon
You deserve some sort of credit
The Cardinals derived some value by drafting Wallace, actually. Players tend to lose value after they’re traded once (because of the aforementioned lemon phenomenon), so we theoretically got the most value out of Wallace
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Exactly my point.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
yeah
i hated the holliday trade at the time
looks brilliant in hindsight, though
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I wouldn't say "brilliant"
We got Holliday for a half season – he wasn’t the difference between us making the playoffs or not and he actually cost us a win in the playoffs (in hindsight). It’s not like we got a hometown discount in his contract either.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2010 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
it's wouldn't have been the first
or last time a player played here for half a season and was then more inclined to sign long term
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I think he was more inclined to sign the deal
Because we offered him 7/120. By all indications of the time, nobody else was willing to go that high.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2010 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
not in total value
but he had (reportedly) up to 2/20 on the table from the yankees
i’m not saying holliday necessarily is one of those people, but i think the cardinals were more inclined to pursue him because if the situation
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what are the odds mo is a big "wheel of fortune" fan, and just really wants to see the
BRENDAN
RYAN
THERIOT
puzzle?
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Nov 30, 2010 7:56 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
thus the "Boog" nickname sticks.
always with the Ryans.
what other Ryans can we acquire?
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I know this isn't going to be particularly popular, and i am sorta-playing Devil's advocate buuutttt...
i think the theriot acquisation is less catacylsmical than it first appears; firstly the statistcal differences between theriot, skip and boog (in particular WAR) is relatively small, small enough that given that they are single season numbers they mean very little in terms of predicting future value.
besides, as much as TLR is much maligned for his lineup moves during the season there is reason to believe that he won’t just let theriot play and play and play regardless of actual results. See: Barden, Brian and Ankiel, Rick.
Yes, i love boooooooog as much as anyone but from a purely baseballing perspective, i like this move; as has been mentioned we’ve dealt from an area of excessive strength to improve an area of weakness. and at the very, very worst we’ve acquired a better MIF depth and a better bench bat. and at the theoretical worst we’re going to lose a 1 WAR player. but i honestly doubt that Ryan is going to get traded as that would basically negate the addition of theriot.
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by Aranathor on Nov 30, 2010 8:01 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
BJ Ryan, champion paraphraser
http://twitter.com/BJRains/status/9758367354458112
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Rains, rather.
frickin wheel of fortune
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
speaking of creepy
BJ Rains really does give out way too much information.
twitter.com/BJRains/status/9736831528599552
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I did it on purpose, sirrah.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
they're into that and ribs.
wait, isn’t that where the winter meetings are? hmm.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
8675309?
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2010 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
I like the move, hate the fact that Ryan is the one being replaced instead of Skip
by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2010 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
This is the correct opinion.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
agreed
we need to be patient though
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2010 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
except
theriot is just an average piece, probably worth hawkman
but what we really needed was someone better than theriot
will we yet get a real ss? i doubt it because that’s what hawk was worth and he was all they were going to give up
hall or hardie would be more likely to turn into a real difference
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
my biggest issue with it
besides the fact that he’s going to play the wrong position, is that the Dodgers were going to non-tender him. IE, the cards could have gotten him for cash only, and probably less than they are going to end up paying him, maybe even a minor-league deal, AND given up no talent for him.
Granted, Hawk wasn’t a lot to give up, but now we can’t trade him for something else.
because the cardinals are the only team that he could help?
i’m not so sure that’s true. i’m also not convinced that just getting hawk off the roster isn’t a benefit in itself
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hawk was nothing
But how many teams would’ve turned down theriot? look what the giants just gave Tejada as proof.
THERE IS A GOD
The Giants agreed to sign Miguel Tejada to a one-year deal worth $6.5MM, according to Enrique Rojas of ESPNDeportes (on Twitter). The infielder obtains a $500K bonus from the Giants, according to Rojas.
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lololololololololololololololol
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
sabean is learning -- now he's only overpaying aging players in one year quantities!
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
BAHAHAHAHHAA
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he has no wrist.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
he'll smile winningly and they'll win!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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kneecapping him is against the guidelines, eh.
oh man, didn’t Waino do that to him? did he get hit once, or twice?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Also, this means Bartlett is back on the table
for better or worse
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MLBTR
TUESDAY, 3:45pm: The Giants have become one of the most serious suitors for Bartlett, according to Rosenthal and Morosi.
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Oh I thought you meant for us
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
i would doubt after
the riot they go for bartlett
This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers
yeah, give up one prospect/AAAA guy
or give up a lot more
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2010 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
this made my day
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2010 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
Cubs fans seem to like the Theriot deal.
Not sure what to think of that.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
my brother was like, good! he sucks
he’s a cubs fan though
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2010 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
Tallet's deal was for $750,000
According BWalton’s twitter
Meh.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
He's not going to have the same role with us as he did with the Blue Jays
He’s a LOOGY. He did not pitch badly as a LOOGY
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I've seen those
you can usually find them near any Heckawe tribe encampment.
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2010 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
not a very long sale, then?
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I don't see the problem
Assuming they are planning to keep Ryan, theriot starts and ryan comes in as defensive replacement for final three innings. Theriot moves to 2B in late innings to replace Schu. Theriot starts at 2b against LHP and Ryan gets 30-40 starts — seems like a reasonable usage for no hit-all field ryan.
Just win
LHP starters
over the last four years, Cards averaged 54 games facing LHP starters roughly 1/3rd. The team will need a platoon partner for Skippy and insurance for Freese. Unless the team obtains more depth at MIF or 3B, I see Boog being that super utility, late inning replacement guy to start the year, similar to his role in 2009 when he was very successful. Who knows, Boog might be more comfortable being in that kind of role instead of being counted on as a full time all round SS.
Skippy has gotten 16 & 17 starts against LHP during the last two years. Not sure how many of those were due to others being unavailable, but that number needs to be cut down below 5.
I don't think the move will make much of a difference
But did Ryan really piss someone off? Because there is no reason to trade him; and it looks like that’s happening soon
IMO, I think it's more a matter of them loving Skip too much
in this case, it might really be a crime…
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Frankly,
I think TLR has grown tired of Ryan’s personality. Perhaps some of the veterans have, too. I think this was voiced at the end of year meetings of the FO and the plan emerged to target a shortstop to upgrade the middle infield because the club views Skip as more likely to have a bounce-back season and play as a league-average bat than Ryan. Also, Skip is a TLR favorite and Brendan is not.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
but
skip will undoubtedly be gone after 2011
boog would still be with us and cheap
no ss in the pipeline
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
You know, I wonder if this is the key
(not Tyler’s opinion, obviously, but) Maybe what’s behind this “replace Boog” theme is the fact that the Cards believe that Greene can produce, on average, the same value as Brendan in a couple of years and would be cheaper. Therefore, “upgrade” with Theriot for a year, then plan on T. Greene taking over in 2012 and, by combination of a bit better bat and a bit lesser glove, duplicate B. Ryan’s overall production from then on.
Now, I think they’re thinking (if this were true) is dead wrong, but maybe that’s part of the internal rationale for this. (Although I’d certainly not be surprised if the personality issues w/ TLR/team wasn’t the chief underlying factor either.)
by ArkansasTravs on Nov 30, 2010 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
Didn't you see Pete Kozma on the 40-man?
It’s an understandable mistake. Kozma hasn’t even received a number…yet.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
no one
so why did we give up joey?
this is the kind of thing about jmo that mystifies me
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
because he wasn't good enough
to stay on the 25-man roster all year over any one of matt holliday, colby rasmus, allen craig or jon jay
i thought we went over this
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by prophetjohn on Nov 30, 2010 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
he's almost certainly better than craig or jay
and if he isn’t, we give up on him in ST, not in October the year after a wrist surgery.
Because he has werthian upside, he is worth a shot. The other guys you mention don’t have that.
UNLESS the org knows something we don’t, which is possible- after all, a guy with a .500ish OPS beat him at wiffleball. That can’t bode well.
yeah
he’s almost certainly better than craig or jay
this is totally not founded in objectivity.
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well, their potential floors are about the same
but there is no way that Jay or Craig, even platooned, have anything near the upside that Mather has.
Now, it’s probably a 75-90% “collapse” for mather, but that 10-25% is worth keeping him one more winter, when he doesn’t cost anything, because he COULD possibly become Matt Holliday, or Jayson Werth. Jay and Craig won’t be that guy, ever, even cmbined.
(FWIW, I love AC! Was on the AC bandwagon long before it was a wagon. JJ, not so much).
but keeping him on the 40-man roster
likely meant exposing a player the org viewed as more valuable than mather
right now i’d say mather and kozma are about equal (i’m not high on mather at all) and all the other ones are likely to contribute
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mather had to be on the 25-man, actually
but he was worth it. I think we’ll be sad to have lost him. If nothing else, he could have subbed at CF vs tough LHP; we have no one else to fill that role, now.
Even if he fails, it demonstrates a failure on Mo’s part to consider the “reward” part of the general risk equations, as long as guys like theriot and jay are on the 25-man roster.
if he was angel pagan jr
he’d be a 3-4 WAR RF. Pagan has been 7.9 fWar over the last 2 years, which would be pretty elite.
jay isn’t that guy. mather might have been, but we gave him away for nothing.
z
A horse walks into a bar. The bartender asks “Why the long face?” The horse does not respond because it is a horse. It can neither speak nor understand English.It is confused by it’s surroundings and gallops out of the bar, knocking over a few tables.
by CodyG on Nov 30, 2010 9:01 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
lolol
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by prophetjohn on Nov 30, 2010 9:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i have a query for you VEB
if a company says all male employees must be clean cut, does that mean they can’t have facial hair?
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
i'd say no
just well groomed.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
that's just discrimination
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twatter
well it is working around rich folk, so they do want you to dress nice & stuff
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Been there.
Rich folk typically expect you to be clean cut w/complete civility, etiquette, and sharp, conservative attire.
"Beckett’s retired 19 batters through Six and a third innings, he’s having a phenomonal night…" --Tim McCarver
i've had this goatee since 96, i don't know how bad i'll look without it
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Shave it. Goatees are out of fashion anyway. ;-)
"Beckett’s retired 19 batters through Six and a third innings, he’s having a phenomonal night…" --Tim McCarver
but, but i used to be cool!
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
And Black Jack McDowell was once an effective pitcher. ;-)
When you’re old, like me, you’ll realize “cool” is overrated.
"Beckett’s retired 19 batters through Six and a third innings, he’s having a phenomonal night…" --Tim McCarver
by kallawaykid on Nov 30, 2010 10:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Just to tie this back into baseball: Someone check me on this, but was Black Jack not responsible for the proliferation of goatees in the MLB?
My recollection is that he was the first to sport one. Unfortunately, FanGraphs and the like don’t keep stats on such things. Although they should! (e.g., Biggest ’fro in MLB history, longest hair, etc.)
"Beckett’s retired 19 batters through Six and a third innings, he’s having a phenomonal night…" --Tim McCarver
by kallawaykid on Nov 30, 2010 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
This
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2010 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
...I don't even know what he looks like
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I don't really either, but "enfeebled ginger" doesn't really scream goatee to me
by vivaelpujols on Nov 30, 2010 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
think Big Mac's shorter stockier sun
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
I cannot imagine him at all.
"Beckett’s retired 19 batters through Six and a third innings, he’s having a phenomonal night…" --Tim McCarver
by kallawaykid on Nov 30, 2010 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
I like the poster of a window. Really makes it look less basementy.
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
by TBender on Nov 30, 2010 10:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
usually either well groomed or clean shaven
you may want to check w/ the company.
hey Mo: theriot at 2B, boog at SS.
I'm growing out a mustache!
Ironically!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I'm trying man
It’s very difficult since I’m not predisposed to being able to grow great facial hair
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Mine's starting to curl at the sides!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
yes
and no long hair, earrings, Mike Tyson face tats, etc.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 30, 2010 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
...or backwards ballcaps.
"Beckett’s retired 19 batters through Six and a third innings, he’s having a phenomonal night…" --Tim McCarver
by kallawaykid on Nov 30, 2010 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
How about a nice
Chakotay look? Here ya go, girls.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
Why do you want to work for the Yankees?
Do you remember that spelling bee you won in the first grade? Rock? "R-O-K"?
by jd is legend on Dec 1, 2010 12:39 AM EST up reply actions
I'd shave.
If you want the job.
"Beckett’s retired 19 batters through Six and a third innings, he’s having a phenomonal night…" --Tim McCarver
by kallawaykid on Nov 30, 2010 9:54 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
We will have the greatest collection of sub-.300 wOBAing infielders in MLB!
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Someone for the "Where are they now?" file.
Where is Joe Crede now, anyway? Jeff City?
"Beckett’s retired 19 batters through Six and a third innings, he’s having a phenomonal night…" --Tim McCarver
by kallawaykid on Nov 30, 2010 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
Well, that's kinda sad.
I was only joking, but according to Wiki my presumption is correct:
“He lives in mid-Missouri, and is a season-ticket holder for Missouri Tigers basketball.”
Ouch.
"Beckett’s retired 19 batters through Six and a third innings, he’s having a phenomonal night…" --Tim McCarver
by kallawaykid on Nov 30, 2010 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
...
…
Too stupid and sissy-like to say that you want out.
You make the eyes of a million girls and think you'll make them shout.
by The Continental on Nov 30, 2010 9:58 PM EST reply actions
my IE is exploding from the 1100 comments, so i can't reply directly.
but the answer to your “clean-cut” question, gdm, is that you have to go get circumcised. sorry.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Nov 30, 2010 10:12 PM EST reply actions 8 recs
again?
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
by gdm426 on Nov 30, 2010 10:15 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Don't hire
Too stupid and sissy-like to say that you want out.
You make the eyes of a million girls and think you'll make them shout.
by The Continental on Nov 30, 2010 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
I literally just spewed chicken noodle soup everywhere
Thanks asshole
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
heh
That made reading this entire thread completely worth it.
by peach concrete on Nov 30, 2010 10:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So
You know IE kind of sucks, right?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
this.
chrome FTW
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 30, 2010 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
why are you using IE.
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twatter
by prophetjohn on Nov 30, 2010 11:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
anyone notice theriot's most similar batter on Baseball Reference?
Aaron Miles
by I miss Jack Buck on Nov 30, 2010 10:22 PM EST reply actions
Where's Dave Duncan?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Seattle
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2010 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
how'd big z do?
hey Mo: theriot at 2B, boog at SS.
by zoomzoomj88 on Nov 30, 2010 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
so zoomzoom comes from big z?
well then.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2010 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
VEB: We rate everything in relation to Aaron Miles.
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
Yeah it's been mentioned a couple of times
Aaron Miles was once a non-terrible player
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Got more ROY votes than Holliday
/notreallyrelevant
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
Um, I believe you're forgetting his incredibly flukey 2008 thankyouverymuch
I’m not talking true talent here… I’m talking results, which is what BR goes by
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Um, I believe you're forgetting his incredibly flukey 2008 thankyouverymuch
I’m not talking true talent here… I’m talking results, which is what BR goes by
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Um, I believe you're forgetting his incredibly flukey 2008 thankyouverymuch
I’m not talking true talent here… I’m talking results, which is what BR goes by
Um, I believe you're forgetting his incredibly flukey 2008 thankyouverymuch
I’m not talking true talent here… I’m talking results, which is what BR goes by
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 30, 2010 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
SCIENTIFIC SHIT UP IN THIS PIECE
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by prophetjohn on Nov 30, 2010 11:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
SBN seems to be cracking under the pressure.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
YOU CURSED ITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
damnit, flim.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 30, 2010 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
they totally blew it
missed free throws happen, that’s why there are percentages, but that was a dumbass foul by Dixon
by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 30, 2010 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
no missed free throws don't "happen"
they missed 3 of their last 4 free throws. Make 50%, which is well below average for a middle school player, we win. Foul the ball handler as soon as he crosses half-court, on the last possession of regulation, he goes to the line for 1&1, and has to either make both (down 1), or pull some playground shit.
MU blew it. Dixon’s foul was awful, but the last minute was full of awful.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
actually missed free throws do happen
hence why they missed them… i see your point but don’t agree… that stupid ass foul on the other hand can be avoided by not committing a stupid ass foul….
players will miss free throws is my point…. players should not commit stupid fouls
roto says
rosenthal mentioned the cards still going after hudson
This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers
someone recommend me a good TV series
which is not in the following list (not saying these are all good)
the wire
dexter
the sopranos
carnivale
six feet under
breaking bad
mad men
freaks and geeks
pushing daisies
deadwood
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twatter
this is what i get for having two threads open
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From what I've seen of it, I enjoyed Justified.
If you haven’t seen The Shield at all, you could check that out, too. Also, Firefly is great.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
haven't seen justified or firefly
didn’t like the first few episodes of the shield
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twatter
Oh yeah, you have to watch firefly
by vivaelpujols on Dec 1, 2010 12:52 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
100% yes on Firefly, and I like Justified as well (although I think its quality is variable)
I’m a huge Friday Night Lights and BSG fan, but I do understand they’re not everyone’s cup of tea – I dig the melodrama. All of Sports Night is available on youtube. I also really liked the early seasons of Homicide, and thought the first season of Veronica Mars was fantastic (except the Paris Hilton episode, it goes without saying). And if you can handle lots of swearing and violent sexual imagery, I would check out The Thick of It on youtube — do a search for ‘omnishambles’ – he posted the whole series.
by peach concrete on Dec 1, 2010 1:29 AM EST up reply actions
I really liked Sports Night
apparently, we were in the vast minority.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Dec 1, 2010 1:43 AM EST up reply actions
yes they do, i loved sports night
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
firefly was great
too short though
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 1, 2010 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
always sunny in Philidelphia
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Dec 1, 2010 12:35 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
rec
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 1, 2010 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
rec
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 1, 2010 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
the good guys, seriously, no ones watching it & it got cancelled but it's damn funny
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
star trek: the original series
"I throw him four wide ones then try to pick him off first base." - Preacher Roe on Stan Musial
by Shi on Dec 1, 2010 3:12 AM EST up reply actions
you win the thread
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 1, 2010 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
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Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
EFF OFF SBN
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
yep
boog at shortstop makes the starting pitching a lot better
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Dec 1, 2010 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
Not having to see hawksworth come in at critical junctures
Makes this deal more than palatable
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 1, 2010 9:46 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Since no one else seems to have noticed
I say congratulations for achieving a fairly decent parody of Housman’s “To an Athlete Dying Young.”
by Mike G on Dec 1, 2010 1:43 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Vinnie from Jersey noticed
… and I’ve changed my signature in tribute
The Mang does more than Milton can
To justify God's ways to man.
I think this was supposed to be a reply to MIke G referencing vinnie's A.E. Danup comment
But agreed that Danup’s verse was well done.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Dec 1, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
'Cause you all need a little.... ;=8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkuOAY-S6OY
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
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