A Quick Question For a Wednesday
by the red baron on Nov 3, 2010 2:50 PM EDT
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First off, I want to say congratulations to the San Francisco Giants and their aged shortstop Edgar Renteria. That makes three trips to the World Series for Edgar and three outstanding performances. It's a shame one couldn't find some way of hypnotizing him into believing it's the postseason all season long.
I suppose the ultimate lesson you have to take away from watching the Giants win this year's title is that if you can pitch, you can win. It sounds simple, I know, but it doesn't hurt to remind ourselves every now and again of one of the more elemental truths of the game. Pitching can cover for a lot of ills. (Hell, look at our own 2010 squad. They were in it up 'til very nearly the bitter end despite several extended stretches during the season when they just couldn't hit at all.
I'm in a terrible hurry today, and don't really have time for a full column, so I'm just going to leave you with one discussion question and then take my leave.
The Cardinals likely have room in the budget for only one free agent signing of real note. I'm not talking about going out and finding a guy who throws with his left hand and tossing him a million bucks; I mean one player whose name most people know and who is going to make a notable difference on the club with whom he signs. So, given that monetary limitation, you can have your choice of either Orlando Hudson or Jake Westbrook. Both will come on two-year deals (hypothetically), and while I'm sure Westbrook will be a little more expensive, I doubt the difference in salary will be huge. So that's your choice.
Hudson would immediately upgrade the team's greatest position of need, second base. He's not the player he was a few years back, but he's still a solid keystone. Hudson is coming off a season in Minnesota in which he posted an OPS+ of 93; before that he posted four straight seasons better than 100. He's 32 years old and will not be offered arbitration due to a clause in his contract. (By the way, I wonder if we're going to see more and more of those clauses as time goes on. I kind of think we will.) UZR likes him as a +9.8 run fielder in 2010 (UZR/150 of 12.0), but that follows four straight seasons of negative defensive performances. He looks better by +/-, saving 17 runs in 2010 (ranked number 1, in fact), and has had only one negative season in the past six. Hudson is coming off two straight ~3 WAR seasons.
Westbrook is a little more familiar to the Cardinals, having pitched a decent chunk of the season for them after being acquire via trade, so we have a pretty good idea what he looks like taking the mound for our redbirds. Like Hudson, Westbrook is 32 years old. He's coming off a 2.2 WAR season, his first healthy campaign since 2007. Health isn't really a huge issue, though, considering the recovery record of Tommy John survivors and the fact he's a couple years out from the procedure now. He posted an ERA+ of 113 for the Cards and a 2.29 SO/BB ratio. While he doesn't address an area of such serious need as what Hudson would, keeping Westbrook around lends much-needed stability to a rotation high on talent but low on innings. Westbrook essentially brings you some predictability; you can count on him to throw a bunch of innings at a solid rate. He's also a good fit for this club in particular, since they can't seem to say goodbye to the pair of sinker-obsessed old men in the dugout. I think going forward you can probably count on 180-200 innings from Westbrook, with an ERA in the 3.80-4.20 range. Call him a 4.00 ERA pitcher in the NL Central, I would say.
So that's your choice. You can afford to add one of these two guys. Neither will cost you a draft pick. They're approximately the same age. One upgrades what you had in 2010 in a big way but opens holes elsewhere; the other solidifies a position of strength from last year's team but forces you to look elsewhere to find some help in the middle infield. Which player do you want? Argue the players on their merits, argue a player on philosophy, or argue which option would be easier to replace through other sources, but remember we're assuming they'll be at least similar in terms of cost.
The Baron's Playlist for the 3rd of November, 2010 -- the first six songs that popped up when I put my iPod on shuffle
"Heaven Help the New Girl" - the Long Blondes
"This Year's Girl" - Elvis Costello
"Lazy Eye" - Fruit Bats
"Splish Splash" - Bobby Darin
"Just a Test" - Beastie Boys
"Come On With the 'Come On'" - Cab Calloway
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Firth
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
by mysterui on Nov 3, 2010 2:55 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
try not to do this
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
If ironically bringing back old memes is wrong, I don't wanna be right
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
by mysterui on Nov 3, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Wow, only 2/6
apparently, I should stick with the Jonas Brothers.
Stupid offseason.
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Nov 3, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
or 2/10
I’ve heard it both ways
Stupid offseason.
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Nov 3, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
The called me 'out of touch...'
I feel like the lower the score, the more ‘in touch’ you are… psshht
"I don't like to sound egotistical, but every time I stepped up to the plate with a bat in my hands, I couldn't help but feel sorry for the pitcher." Rogers hornsby.
im flipping shit here
i got 7/10 – there were some that it wasn’t even because of justin bieber (CSI, We are the World, i obssessively watch Youtube (greyson chance is another) and the others i should be ashamed off…
also i laughed when i read that usher was his mentor
3/10
Other than the YouTube question I guessed on the other 2 I got right. Oh well. Jonas Brothers it is for me.
by WizardofOz1982 on Nov 4, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Westbrook.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
this
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
easy on the gifs today ppl, k?
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
STFUMFAEONG
please
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
BOTH!
I WANT BOTH PLAYERS!
That is not too much to ask! Adding Hudson and Westbrook makes us a World Series caliber team.
We’d have to cheap out on a 3b/OF and LOOGY, but that’s ok.
Take the entire budget and throw it at those two guys. Then add Mark Hendrickson and Melvin Mora.
Win the NL and compete in the World Series.
Done and Done.
how is westbrook not worth what he's gonna get?
or i guess the better question is – what exactly do you think westbrook is gonna get? and how is it not worth it?
16M/2 years but if he's only 2 WAR every year he has 0 surplus
then you consider he might be an injury risk, and the fact that he’s likely to decline with his age that you could put a good argument if he get’s 8M per, he’s not worth the cost.
And if you reply saying we cant have both...
…then I will reply BOTH
BOTH BOTH BOTH BOTH
Sign ’em both!
Bombs Away
accourding to Derrick Goold’s Twit machine
@dgoold: Cardinals say Mather claimed off waivers by Braves. They once tried to trade for Mather, offering a RHP reliever. #stlcards
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
Yeah, I have a Twitter...big whoop...wanna fight about it?
Now they will trade us him for Rasmus.
tahdaaaaa.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
so it this ball player laundry?
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
it's official cause he got it from the official twitter
CardsInsider: St. Louis Cardinals OF Joe Mather was claimed off waivers by the #Braves today 37 minutes ago
i just want to say BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
i'm not happy about that either
i hoped that the cards would try to use him more and give him a chance. it’s too bad he struggled last year, since i really thought that he’d have a much better year this year.
you will become even unhappier as we approach spring training
and you see what kind of shitty contracts we’ll sign
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
This is such an effin' bummer
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
why?
he was pretty mediocre, we have 4 outfielders on the roster who are better than him (probably, jay is might be about equal) and he had no future with the organization
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
+1
Bombs was a nice bit of “character” for the organization, but there are better options in terms of performance on the field. I wish him all the best in Atlanta, at least when they’re not playing St. Louis. But we’ll have a stronger outfield without him than with him, sad to say.
StanTheManFan
Contributes any way he can.
He's normally a nuclear physicist
Except when writing for this list.
by StanTheManFan on Nov 3, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
he was our most athletic outfielder
sad
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
yeah, honestly, there was nothing left here for Joe Mather
best of luck, though
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
NOTHING???? NOTHING????
HOW ABOUT OUR UNDYING LOVE & AFFECTION????
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
How's that working out for you so far?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
oh you know, like it always does
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
who hasn't been there at least once
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
I can't believe I'm saying this,
but that’s disturbing.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
i think you spelled hilarious wrong
seeing huff pull a thong out of his pants, now that’s disturbing
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
I'm out.....
have a good night.
Two night’s in a row of late bight VEB makes me cranky, and I only ate breakfast today, and I’m hungry, and that makes me crankier. So, I’m going to bed.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
eat 2LBs a bacon & call me in the morning
and by morning i mean 2ish
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
by gdm426 on Nov 4, 2010 3:07 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
it was frozen.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
you couldn't have sat it out over night to thaw?
or thrown it in the microwave for a few minutes?
HFS® do i have to do everything for you people?
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
I refuse to use the microwave
to defrost meat.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
looks my sister and me only she had a german helmet on
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 4, 2010 3:01 AM EDT up reply actions
strongly disagree
mather has the power potential to turn into a poor man’s Matt Holliday; his upside is probably Jayson Werth (who was also picked up for free off of waivers).
I’d have given him one more shot at it in ST, if nothing else, just to keep from looking like a complete idiot if the wrist got better over the winter.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
Yeah, it seems like a distinct possibility that Mather will have a breakout year soon
by vivaelpujols on Nov 3, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
tick tick
It’s just as likely that any 28 year old AAAA player with power potential and an injury history might have a breakout year. It’s hard to predict these things. Either way, it was unlikely he was going to get any play here in St. Louis either way so, while it’s not really a good thing, it’s no big loss.
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
at least we still have stavinoha.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
I don't like it, not because I think it's hugely likely
That mather turns out to be outstanding, but because keeping him around costs nothing more than a roster spot. There’s a lot more obvious deadwood on the roster than mather.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Nov 3, 2010 10:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i don't like it either
but it won’t keep me up at night. I’m waiting for the real issues to be dealt with i.e. get rid of the shitty shitty players on our team.
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
Let's just all hope
that this wasn’t what the FO was thinking with this move. You know, “Well, we don’t have room for both Stavinoha and Mather so which one do we cut loose?”
by ArkansasTravs on Nov 3, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
If Stavinoha gets one plate appearance next year it's a big deal
by vivaelpujols on Nov 3, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep, couldn't agree more
Let’s hope that doesn’t come to pass.
by ArkansasTravs on Nov 3, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Ryan Ludwick would like a word.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
except Mather is much better defensively than Ludwick
and probably has more power potential (yes, I’m aware Luddy hit 37 HR’s one year).
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
wow...
I don’t know if I buy that Bombs is a better outfielder than Ludwick.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
eh.
ludwick has been worth less than 18 fielding runs in ~4700 innings in the field, by UZR, and almost 1/3rd of that was “arm”. That’s basically within the margin of error for an average corner outfielder.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
i don't think either of these things are true
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
Agreed
But Bombs very much has the potential to be Ludwick. Remember, Luddy didn’t become a regular until like 28 or something.
Likewise my hatred of Aaron Miles....
Looks like I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing glue....
by Futility Infielder on Nov 3, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
When?
was this (I would expect) several years ago? If it was last year, we blew it.
by ArkansasTravs on Nov 3, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
that was Kelly Johnson.
'Terrible preview...pretty weak, didn't learn anything new. pretty sad." - mastermike
by Scott Coleman on Nov 3, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Does that for sure mean he is gone?
I know there are different versions of waivers, this could just mean they were trying to remove him from the 40 man roster and could pull him back if a deal isn’t worked out with the Braves or it could be that he is gone. I wish someone would clarify.
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
I'm trying to understand this as well
So to be put on waivers, the Cards had to have removed him from the 40 man?
That's how I understand it.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
right
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
So I suppose they are just making room on the 40 man
to add players they don’t want to expose to the Rule 5?
I guess
but there’s a couple of weeks before they have to do that (20 Nov), and there is plenty of room on the roster now.
BVHeck- thanks for the link to the article, but it doesn’t really get into “why” they did it. Maybe they thought they’d have better luck sneaking him through waivers if they did it now, rather than later?
But if that was the case, they should have done it in September…
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
ya i hope there's more explanation later.
however, bombs wasn’t exactly a fan favorite or well-known guy outside the VEB/close-team-followers realm, so it may not be talked about much more. the colby story draws more interest to the paper than this will
Kyle Lohse has a No-Trade Clause.
yeah
I could be wrong, but it seems Mather had enough value that losing him outright can be qualified as a solid blunder
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Nov 3, 2010 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
this time of year there's only one kind of waivers
although it doesn’t make sense that Mather would be claimed right now- there’s no reason to remove him from the 40-man.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
I will miss Joe.
I guess I’m not all that surprised. Why do they have to get rid of the nice good-looking ones. Get rid of the ugly, surly ones. Sheesh. Where are your priorities, Mo?
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.
Charles M. Schulz
by spfldbird on Nov 3, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
like Colby?
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
hmmm... you got me there.
Colby isn’t particularly good looking and he isn’t exactly surly but he sometimes is boring when he is interviewed…………..
Ok, can I amend my previous answer?Keep the nice good-looking or goledangthatboycanhitabaseballafurway ones.
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.
Charles M. Schulz
WHAT!?!?
RasmusGirl wrote a song about his fire burning, he has to be good looking.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Nov 3, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
why do the Cards keep giving away their "cast offs" and not getting anything back for them?
is there a reason?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I mean... all I see are aging "rookies" who are out of options, year after year.
even if you get cast-offs in return, wouldn’t that be one way to put at least a few lottery tickets into a thin system rather than just giving them away? is this why Brendan Ryan was out of options and so couldn’t work on his problems in Memphis? is this why we never have extra pieces for trade packages? is this why our “rookies” are older than the average age of the World Series champs?
is this just all mismanaging call-ups? year after year?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
because they have no trade value
i guess we could have swapped him for a similar cast off, like blaine boyer
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twatter
well I would prefer that to just ... nothing. one can always release that guy.
increasingly we’re not just the bargain bin, we’re alley behind the bargain bin. why deal for small pieces when they’ll probably be dropped eventually
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i mean, these guys can be pieces in bigger trades
instead of dipping into the farm
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
there has to be a center piece
you can’t just trade 5 joe mathers and get a jose reyes back in return
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twatter
well, of course.
I know that.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
then i'm confused by
instead of dipping into the farm
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twatter
when they do a centerpiece trade, they throw in a couple more people
those guys are usually from Memphis or Springfield. if they were just going to throw them into the waiver pool, and they knew it all along, why not package them away and call some kids up. why can’t we pull a fast one on a desperate team. I understand it has to happen sometimes, it just seems to happen all the time.
it just smacks of poor planning and poor roster management.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
yeah, but
who are we building a package around? the options right now would be shelby, carlos martinez, cox, colby or jaime. we don’t have anyone else (who’s not untouchable like waino or yadi) who could serve as a centerpiece
also, i’d be surprised if mo’ didn’t make some calls to see if anyone was interested in mather
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twatter
a similar cast off
by definition, would have to occupy a spot on the 40-man roster that they just removed mather from to clear up space. the braves aren’t giving up a C prospect for a player who is set to become a free agent in 3 days
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twatter
did they even clear up space with this? i thought mather ran out of options
it’s the running out of options part that seems excessive. they’re older guys who should’ve had a shot in the system earlier, or should’ve been cut. the ratio of burned-out options has been creeping up over the last few seasons, and we’ve gotten nothing from them. so, as I said, instead of dealing these MLB-ready guys in trade packages, they’re dipping into the farm for throwaway pieces.
instead, we sign Aaron Miles.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
mather was out of options
because he got injured and couldn’t play in 2009 and couldn’t play effectively in 2010. him staying meant he had to make the team out of spring and stay the whole season. that wasn’t going to happen
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twatter
the thing is, I'm not looking at this one data point.
I’m looking at the trend. we’ve thrown out a lot of guys who, whether or not it was terribly smart, got picked up for MLB service somewhere else.
it looks increasingly like they’re aging up their rookies till they’re just not attractive enough in a trade package and not ready for the Cards bench. or whatever reason they give for them not being ready. when they get hot enough to have some trade value, they don’t get traded — they get kept on till past their expiration date. more Gritty Vets end up on the bench, and more of the kids get dealt away.
even Brendan Ryan. burned up his options playing him out of position. then when he needed time in Memphis to regroup, they couldn’t let him go.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
A lot of them were just late developers
Freese, Mather, Craig… they’re old for rookies, but I don’t think they would’ve been ready before they actually were
They’r’e not “aging up their rookies”
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
so you're saying they should have traded him in '08 when he had value?
there might be something to that. but at the time, he looked like he was going to be a solid MLB contributor
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twatter
why is it already 6 and there's no Joey Slides gif?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
cause you're a slacker
and i was hanging out at McC
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
Hudson
I feel like our rotation is enough of a potential strength (watch Carpenter’s right arm fall off as I type this, while Garcia decides to leave baseball and pursue a career as a Mexican soap opera actor) that I’d prefer to have a probably-solid player in our middle infield.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
We Need Westie!
:=8)
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
b-weezy is rioting in san fran
and the rally thong is on the loose
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
Westbrook
We’re kind of spitballing numbers here, but my guess is that the contract Westbrook is likely to get (2/$18 on the high side?) is more likely to return value than the contract Hudson is likely to get (2/$12? anyone? Bueller?).
Hudson isn’t that great a bet to return more value than Skippy:
Hudson’s batting RAR the last 3 years: 8.4. . . 8.8. . . 0.1
Skippy’s batting RAR the last 3 years: 8.1. . . 5.6. . . -7.5
Both are the type of player who tend to fall off of a cliff offensively and never get back (i.e. low power slappy guys with middling to decent walk rates).
Westbrook, on the other hand, fits a profile of pitchers who have had success under Dave Duncan’s tutelage, and has actually had success under Dave Duncan’s tutelage, albeit SSS.
I’d rather the Cards attempt to cobble together a league-average 2B out of Skippy, Descalso, Zach Cox, Tyler Greene, and the Larry Bigbie type of flavor of the month than to do the same with the Cards’ 5th starter candidates.
YMMV, certainly.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Nov 3, 2010 3:38 PM EDT reply actions
I dunno. . .
O-Dog was coming off of a better offensive season a year ago (283/357/417) and only got 1/$5M.
He’s now a year older (he turns 33 in December), and will be coming off of a 268/338/372 season, the worst in his career.
2/$12M seems pretty generous IMHO, and I would likely be slightly upset if the Cards offered him that.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Nov 3, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Hudson is a good defender, Schumaker is terrible
And Hudson hit a lot better than him last year. They aren’t very similar.
Before last year. . .
they were very similar offensively – low power guys with middling walk rates, which was my point. Both declined last year, but Schumaker’s decline was more severe. Hudson, however, is at an age where declines tend to be more permanent.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Nov 3, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
My point is that least is an incredibly important piece of their development
You can’t just say, well they were similar before last year thus they are likely to be similar in the future. Last year is incredibly important – more important in projecting future talent than any other year because it was the most recent. Some of Hudson’s decline can also be attributed to playing the the AL, which has better pitching. Skip can point to BABIP though.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 3, 2010 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, I agree that last year is telling. . .
I just don’t think that offensively, O-Dog is likely to be a huge upgrade on Skippy next season.
Their offensive profile makes them both likely to decline. Skippy already has, and so your hope is that 2010 was an anomaly rather than a reflection of true talent.
Hudson’s decline was more subtle, but he’s at an age where he is more likely to continue to decline rather than bounce back, particulalry playing a demanding position like 2B; those guys tend not to age well.
Smart money would be that they are both OPS+ing to the tune of < 100 next season.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Nov 3, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
ha, i got my first green on MCC
i so proud
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
oh i didn't say anything witty, i just posted a cap of pat and huff
with beers and a thong
link
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
pat said somewhere edgar's lucky all he did was kiss
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
so they had the giant hat lady but not mrs. derosa?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i'd love to have both of them
i love orlando hudson and the way he plays. i always have been a fan of him. as much as i like him, though, i think the cards need to sign westbrook more because of our pitching struggles.
if you look at our rotation without westbrook, it would be carp, waino, garcia, lohse, and an unknown 5th pitcher. hawksworth is destined for the pen. boggs fits better there too. and i sure as hell don’t want to see suppan again.
skip’s done a decent job at 2B, but it would be nice to have a good guy against a righty. not sure what else is out there, but i think the cards might have to trade for a 2B. i would rather see them do that than sign hudson and have question marks with our rotation.
unfortunately, we're limited financially in a trade, as well
Unless we could find a cheap, cost-controlled 2B, or trade contracts.
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Subway sandwich tiers
God Tier:
Meatball Sub
Spicy Italian
Turkey Breast
Good Tier:
Tuna
Italian BMT
Shit Tier:
Roasted Chicken
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
No such thing as a god tier when it comes to Subway,
it’s all bad.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I can gag down the tuna sub, but their lunchmeat is terrifying...
:=8o
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
I used to absolutely love Subway.
But then Penn Station came to my town….It’s like heaven in my mouth (Insert sex joke here).
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Penn Station is so much better,
so is quiznos.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Togo's is also delicious
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Togo's always has stale bread.
if you get the 6 inch sandwich. yuk.
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by RosevilleRedbird on Nov 3, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
deli club, eh?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Bedard, Lopez, and Branyan declined, O Cabrera too...
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
Him and Bedard Cud be Useful....
….it just depends on the price.
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
Lopez has some power, but doesn't walk at all...
not sure about his D either, but maybe as a platoon player…
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
Jose Lopez is a lazy POS
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Also noted on that link
was that Harang’s option ($12.75M) was declined. Another possible fall-back if Westbrook doesn’t resign?
Note that I don’t think I’d want him at $12-13/yr and he probably will get >$10M from someone, so….. nvm.
by ArkansasTravs on Nov 3, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
If that's his price,
doesn’t he represent an interesting 2nd choice if talks with Westbrook fall through?
I know he showed signs of decline this year and he never was a #1/2 type, but we’re looking for a 4/5 to finish out the rotation w/ Lohse. I’d much rather have Westbrook than Harang and there are probably others (Bedard?) that I’d prefer also but if it only took a one year, $4-5M contract, he might be better than relying on Hawksworth.
by ArkansasTravs on Nov 3, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
hmm my FA pitcher board is
Westy
Garland
Pavano
then there’s the guys who were injured a lot last year
Penny
Bedard
Harden
Harang
Correia
De La Rosa
Webb
then there’s the down year guys
Vazquez
Millwood
Bonderman
Dave Bush
personally I would love to go the lottery ticket route and get the injured guys, but what’s so awesome about having duncan is that we can take the down year guys and correct their mistakes from last year.
notes: bold means bad and injured year.
Yeah,
so he would just be another name to add to the list of “possibles” (and probably be fairly far down the list). I can see that. I agree that he’d have to come pretty cheap to take a chance on him.
From a predictive point of view, I would bet that the Card’s #1a alternative to Westie just might be Penny again (assuming they think he ever fully healed) provided he takes a lower salary than last year.
by ArkansasTravs on Nov 3, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
No thanks to Penny, , ,
either he had the worst oblique injury in the history of the world, or he was a grifter.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Nov 3, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd Move De La Rosa up the board he
would be the perfect DD pupil a Lefty who hits 95-96 consistently and has filthy stuff. From July of last year to the end of may this year he was 18-4 with a 3.6 ERA and 9.4K/9
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
Francis is a cheap option to take a low risk flyer on
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
I certainly hope not.
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by StanTheManFan on Nov 3, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
can Branyan play second base?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 3, 2010 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll bet he can!
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 3, 2010 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Q7A about trading Clobby,
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
was just about to post that.
it’s a great example of how terrible a sportswriter Jeff Gordon is.
Kyle Lohse has a No-Trade Clause.
Buton the positive side. . .
I thought that Kevin Wheeler’s answer as to what a “For Colby” package should look like was pretty well thought out.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Nov 3, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
ya it was well done
but i just like colby too much to consider trading him…
Kyle Lohse has a No-Trade Clause.
Every article he's every written proves that point.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Terrible sportswriter? Or just an idiot?
There’s a difference.
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by StanTheManFan on Nov 3, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
I used to like him but he’s seemed to really, really slip the last few years.
by ArkansasTravs on Nov 3, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
is it too early to be burned by the hot stove
i’m not prepared for this madness
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Semi Serious Question
Is there an official “Hot Stove Thread”, or can we throw stuff up in the comments section? I don’t want to be a rascally rule-breaker…
by JWO on Nov 3, 2010 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
you can comment here
or make a hot stove fanpost. keep in mind, thought, that puns in the title are required
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
And done properly,
make sure your pun hasn’t already been used.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Why don't we have more money?
I don’t understand! Even in a terrible economy and a doomed season, our attendance numbers are very very high. Higher than the Mets, the Red Sox, the Tigers and any number of teams whose payroll exceeds ours. Is it TV contracts? Because the fanbase is clearly there.
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
heres a link
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
I wish there was some way to understand this better.
Attendance is part of it, but the story you hear is about the Cardinals paying for their own stadium. We need someone who understands finances to sneak into Mo’s office and copy the Cardinals budget!!! Any takers??
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.
Charles M. Schulz
i'm warming to the giants' version of grit
they don’t talk about getting dirty. they talk about being junkyard dogs in a fight, and winning street brawls.
and that’s the GM.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Westbrook
and so long Joey Bombs, we’ll always have whiffle ball
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
this one is easy
Westbrook! unless… O-Dog ends up not getting the contract he is expected to get, and we can spend the rest of the money on a good reliever. that might be a enticing alternate scenario
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 3, 2010 8:33 PM EDT reply actions
it's too bad Mather never really bounced back after the wrist injuries
he had a lot of potential
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 3, 2010 8:40 PM EDT reply actions
i guess i'm missing something, but
didn’t the braves finish better than the cards in a tougher division?
they have room for joe, but we are so loaded we don’t?
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
the even more amazing thing is we have room for miles and feliz and not joe
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 4, 2010 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
they got rid of ankiel to make room for mather
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 4, 2010 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions
noooooooo i forgot that . that makes it even crazier
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 4, 2010 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions
freakin' women...
i know, i know, it’s not past midnight. just sayin’
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
i hear you & i totally & completely agree
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
alright, spit it out
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
this is pretty good
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 3, 2010 10:10 PM EDT reply actions
We should take a flyer on Webb
a sinkerballer like him would fit nicely into the Duncan mold
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
he could be another penny though
start off really good, and, well, he probably won’t hit a grand slam. hmm
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 3, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
he wont cost as much though
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
I'm not opposed to it
it’s just kinda risky. would rather sign westbrook
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 3, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
why not both?
we have the 4th most attendance in baseball. Spend some money!
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
why not just sign penny again instead?
or both of them!
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 3, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Penny ? is he still alive ?
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 3, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Sign Adrian Beltre and Cliff Lee
shock the world!
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
yeah spend a little of that cash , i like Stephen Drew for 2nd base....give Az
Loshe , sign Clif Lee
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 3, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
well, okay, now you're in fantasyland
Lohse is not worth an ass blister right now
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
note the word "give"
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 4, 2010 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Webb starting price is Brad Penny's salary.
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
Problem is, he's in that mold already.
I don’t know that Webb has much to learn from Dunc that he doesn’t already know and use, which means that he may be a case of WYSIWYG — and since what you see is kinda scary, this looks too risky to me.
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What You See Is What You Get.
In other words, I’m concerned that we would “get” what we “see” in Webb, rather than the improved (by Dunc) version. And what we “see” with Webb, alas, is no longer worth paying nearly as much for as what he used to be,and I fear, will never be again.
Frankly, I hope I’m wrong, regardless of who signs him. I always liked the way he pitched, and you hate to see a primo talent implode like that. But I don’t think I’m wrong.
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by StanTheManFan on Nov 4, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
see, VEP, back when computers had "floppy drives"
And the word kilobyte was still commonly in the vocabulary, we had quaint little computer expressions like “garbage in, garbage out (GIGO)” and “what you see is what you get (WYSIWYG).” If you were a complete tool, you pronounced the term “wizzywig” out loud. All those people made their IPOs ten years ago and got out of the business or were hunted by bill gates on weekends for sport.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Nov 4, 2010 2:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 4 recs
Bill Gates is a bad shot.
Dude looks like a complete tool with a rifle in his hands.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
which is why he now has robots do his killing for him
luckily they are running vista, so the prey has a decent chance, but still. robot hunters. FEAR.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
by SleepyCA on Nov 4, 2010 3:37 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Vista hunters are much better than the original BOB versions.
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
Westy seemed to benefit
and he was already a sinkerballer. I agree that Webb looks scary as is, but a couple million is all it would take and the upside is tremendous.
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
where would he go?
either you’re suggesting he replace westbrook or that he would replace lohse… frankly lohse is in the rotation… that’s just has to be accepted…. and i don’t want webb to be relied upon to be a starter at all because the cards have ahem.. limited minor league depth options (like this year showed)….
Lohse better have to earn his spot
there’s a decent chance he comes back from the break in fine shape, but if not, the best thing for the team would be to burn him out in the brad Thompson role- especially if his contract is insured.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
you mean constantly sending him on a road trip between StL and Memphis?
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 4, 2010 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions
sadly that's not an option
but having him swap between starter and reliever, sometimes starting on 2 or 3 days rest, etc, is.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
(yeah, I'm still a little bitter about things that happened in June of 2007)
BT was one of my favorites, and I think TLR destroyed him.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
i also liked brad and thought he got a raw deal being shuffled back and forth
he always seemed to do his job and get no props
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 4, 2010 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Webb will be interesting
I agree he isn’t worth more than a small contract, but I’ll be surprised if he signs for much less than Sheets did last year. MLB GM’s aren’t exactly rationale when it comes to ex-cy young winners.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
if webb comes back pretty strong, he'll definitly be a lottery ticket type player.
I would do something like a cheap two year deal at 2M with incentives then a mutual option for 15M.
bleh "rational"
and I think 30 GM’s would sign him for 1Y, 2M with a “mutual option”.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
i think there might be some hesitation toward him
seeing as recently his fastball was seen to be topping out at 85
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
oh, wow
I missed the whole
Webb allowed three hits, two walks and two runs over two innings of work, topping out at 85 MPH with his sinking fastball. He has a long way to go, but past success dictates that many teams will remain interested, or at least tuned into, his status throughout the winter. The impending free agent is expected to take the next few months off for rest and rehab.
thing. Ack. obviously, his value has declined since I last paid any attention…
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
if he is hitting 85 he will get 6-8 mil guaranteed money
the guy put up 3 straight 6 WAR seasons topping out at 89
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
I guess my comment isn't really related to your comment
umm… yeah it’s going to be important for webb to do some good bullpen magic then throw to some live hitters.
i wonder if when aubrey huff wakes up sober tomorrow
he’ll still think letting all of san fran and all national media outlets take countless photos of him with a thong in is mouth was a good idea
that and reaching deep deep down his pants to take out the thong…
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
spoiler i just got home and am watching it
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 3, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Zitp stayin classy
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 3, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
er Zito
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 3, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Speaking of classy
Did you see the news that the Cubs are cutting ties with Ryne Sandberg? And that their GM says he’ll, quote, “always be welcome” in their organization?
“Welcome” if he buys a ticket, presumably.
One side of that transaction is classier than the other.
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by StanTheManFan on Nov 4, 2010 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions
its the cubs they always make the wrong moves dont they. unbelievable
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 4, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought Sandberg turned down the Cubs' contract offer to manage Iowa?
It’s clear why he did, but it sounds like Ryno made the decision to leave.
"he and the umpire pitched a no-hitter. He gave him every pitch. Basically, we had no chance." -Orlando Cabrera, whinging eunuch.
by The Continental on Nov 4, 2010 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
courtesy of the folks over at McC
i’m too lazy to make a high quality gif of this…
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
wow even for SF thats kinda radical Go Huff!
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 4, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
looks like somebody has a wild streak
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 4, 2010 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions
after watching that violent scene
I was really happy that it was a thong that came out of his pants. Could have been so many other things.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
by SleepyCA on Nov 4, 2010 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Huff was on Bubba and the Love Sponge
satellite radio show when he was with the O’s and made several porn related comments. He is not a quiet guy at all.
zoolander-esque
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
he announced it was a "Zoolander " moment before he did it but whoa
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 4, 2010 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions
magnum
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
So the Mets appear to be getting a very good new GM and Manager
They’ll be scary with a competent front office, 150 million dollar payroll, and a still very talented core.
they already resigned inge
and no way beltre has the same year that he had in ’10
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
Agreed. Just from the park factor alone he's down like .20 points in BA
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
how is it that the Tigers can afford such a huge payroll
in poor-ass Detroit with a mediocre-ass team. And here we are, in a city that worships at the baseball altar, and we can’t seem to spend a dime.
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
C'mon, it's not like we're the Marlins here
We spend plenty
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
plus since city services dont exist anymore theres more money for sports in D
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 4, 2010 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions
that, and they got 70-115M more in public financing for the park.
depending on whether you consider long-term loans to be “public financing”, and they paid a lot less overall. Also, they got a more lucrative naming deal, since they weren’t handicapped by the Busch legacy.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
sure, just on shit like mini me, floppy, lopez, bubbles & the like
GOB’s f’ing forbid we spend the money on good complementary players & not just a handful of star players
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
easy tiger the hot stove is barely warm its a long offseason
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 4, 2010 3:07 AM EDT up reply actions
i've been bitching about spending $$$$ on shit since 06
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
You know what I feel like i'm not hearing enough about?
Extending Albert Pujols.
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
by purple_haze on Nov 4, 2010 1:51 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
's weiner
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
by mysterui on Nov 4, 2010 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
in bed
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 4, 2010 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
REC THIS? DON'T YOU MEAN CARROTS? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
CARROTS? DON'T YOU MEAN WAFFLES ? HAHAHAHHHAHAHAH
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 4, 2010 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't like waffles.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Actually I'm lying....
I like waffles, it’s pancakes that can suck it.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
CRAPES? DONT YOU MEAN CREPES?AHAHAHAHHA
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 4, 2010 2:34 AM EDT up reply actions
indeed.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
one of the funniest things dennis learry ever said was this
“And now a message from the Pancake Association of America, Fuck Waffles.”
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
thanks my first rec
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 4, 2010 3:03 AM EDT up reply actions
ASKDJGKLASDJLK FUCK THIS GUY
http://video.usanetwork.com/features/character_fantasy/ben-ultimate-disc-player/v1162856
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
nice pampers commercial.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
SADGJKDAJGL I PLAY ULTIMATE FOR USC
NONE OF THIS IS TRUE
RAGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
So does Ben suck?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
He was actually one of my teammates' roommates freshman year
He’s kind of a tool
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
of course he is.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
He learned some new throws today...
was that the two ways to throw a disc?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I guess.... Unless they taught him a hammer or something
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
you don't need that
unless there are trees involved.
/mountain folfer….park folfer’s can suck it.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I double checked,
I don’t think I used an R. FOLF. Frisbee golf. Special discs and everything. I will even link you to the top google result, which is in MT. You must do this now.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I've never heard it called folf
Either frolf or disc golf.
Also: Ultimate frisbee skills do not translate whatsoever to disc golf
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
You fuckin Californians are a different breed.
Why the fuck wouldn’t it be called folf? Where the fuck did you pick up a fucking R?
Oh I see….you want to enunciate the r in frisbee….that’s just dumb.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
i know right JMP is way more powerful
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
both are dumb it's disc golf
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
I've been playing for 15 years.
It’s FOLF. Also, get the fuck off of my lawn.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I would never live with someone that got cut from the USC frisbee team
Also: we don’t cut guys
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
DAMN YOU WOODCHUCKS, QUIT CHUCKIN' MY WOOD!
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
why don't you just shoot them?
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Comments
Youtube video
welp
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I like the ones on the classic rock videos
“28 people suck Justin Bieber’s cock!”
“Music is dead these days, now all we have is Justin Bieber”
“Thumbs up if you’re high as shit while listening to this!”
i don't think i've ever heard a justin bieber song before.
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
can't say i hate the guy
so some kid is making pre-fabricated pop music and young girls like it. How is that different from any time ever?
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
I don't know
I’ve only been in this time.
However, popular music quality has definitely gone down. Now it’s pure crap, where I guess it used to be okay music infused with crap.
Just wait
20 years from now Bieber will be classic rock.
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
it has 1.675 million views....
whatever it is, and whatever the comments, it worked.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
CAN we sign her ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SqJz0NgnnE
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
Can't be the first time you saw that...
I posted that back in August I think.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
it was the first time i saw it and i never get tired of it . joined VEB after Cinny fight so.....
may have missed your post .
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 4, 2010 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions
here's the gif that cody will obvy steal & pass off as his own
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
yeah but its the commentary that makes it even better
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SqJz0NgnnE
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 4, 2010 3:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Eric Chavez to a minor league contract?
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
meh, i guess
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
What do people think of the new Brian Eno album?
good? worthwhile? Eno-esque?
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
i was filling out an app today for a bakery delivery driver & they had 10 basic math q's on it
they almost made my head explode. i hate math so freaking much.
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
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