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Javier Vazquez: Rotation filler thins out

$7 million is a lot for a guy who lost two miles per hour off his fastball and a strikeout-and-a-half off his recent per-nine numbers, but I kind of like the Marlins' one-year deal for Javier Vazquez, coming as it does in an offseason that hasn't offered the massive Marlins fanbase a lot of good news. Vazquez was terrible in September, and mediocre all year, but he did pitch the entire season, which is more than can be said of fellow reclamation projects like Brandon Webb—apparently the Cubs are interestedBrad Penny, or Justin Duchscherer

If that's more than can be said of those guys my hope as a Cardinals fan is that it's also more than can be paid to those guys—I'm still finding it difficult to deal with the prospect of the team coming into the 2011 season with Kyle Lohse and Lance Lynn heading up the fifth starter depth chart.

My pet option remains Koji Uehara, who could be a fine reliever in the event that Lohse tests out the positive side of the replacement level in 2011, and who wasn't even offered arbitration after making $5 million in a year in which he had a K:BB ratio of 11 in 44 relief innings. (He also played both roles in Japan.) Uehara's a serious fly-ball pitcher, so the Cardinals probably aren't interested, but he's old and he throws a splitter—I'm asking Dave Duncan to compromise a little, here, in the interest of bumping either the 92 bad innings Lohse threw or 50 of the innings Blake Hawksworth and Mike MacDougal soaked up in relief from the back of the roster. 

I hesitate to say this, but I'd even be interested in checking on Brad Penny's demands for 2011 in a similar role. Penny's brief stint as Super-Pineiro is hard to even remember at this point, but it was tantalizing until he vanished from the Post-Dispatch's notes columns and reappeared, a-courting, on Karina Smirnoff fan pages. (Things I've learned from SB Nation St. Louis's referral logs: Karina Smirnoff is way more famous than Brad Penny. Her DanceF/X numbers have been dissected all over the internet.)

Of course, all this is dependent upon how the Cardinals fill their nebulous infield vacancy. That market remains completely still since the Dan Uggla trade; Miguel Tejada is drawing interest from the proverbial "multiple teams", and the Cardinals are almost certainly among them. Which is not exciting. 

That's okay, though, because Phil Rogers has a better idea: Derek Jeter. As an attempt to "bring the Pujols negotiations to a head." In that way, I guess he's right: Calling Pujols up and saying, "If you don't sign with us long-term, we're going to offer Derek Jeter $20 million a year to play shortstop through his age-39 season" would probably be a good way to get things to a head. 

Star-divide

Don't get me wrong, I think Derek Jeter is a great bounceback candidate for 2011. He's looked terrible before, and as recently as last year he was an outstanding hitter. If he were Derek Jeter of the Milwaukee Brewers, coming off the 16th season of a long career spent between the Expos, the Twins, and the expansion Devil Rays, the Cardinals would and should be taking a long look at him, probably at second base. 

But because he is Derek Jeter, and is not only entrenched at shortstop for good but also so lauded to be mentioned in the same conversation with an Albert Pujols extension a year after putting up a .710 OPS and a stereotypically awful year on defense, it's a nonstarter. That might be a fair way to divide "old school" and "new school" sportswriting: Old-school sportswriters might say the Cardinals (I've also heard the Orioles) need to go after Derek Jeter because of his reputation as a winner and a clubhouse leader. I wish the Cardinals could go after Derek Jeter, but I know they shouldn't, because of his reputation as a winner and a clubhouse leader.

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Jeter as a Cardinal

Would require a few concessions from him, namely:

- a salary in the $10 AAV range for no more than 3 years (with significant bonus clauses),
- a willingness to learn 2B and/or 3B, and play there often, and
- to let Boog be the primary SS.

I do think Jeter is capable of continuing to help out a team like the Cardinals, but not at the expense of removing the one healthy, defensively-capable infielder west of 1B. The Cards also cannot afford much beyond that, even if he’s worth that or more.

Would he sign the contract if that were the situation presented to him? Of course not. He’s Derek Effing Jeter™, The Captain, winner of 5 Gold Gloves, and the man who’s completed 80% of the World Supermodel Taste Test. Why would he take a 60% pay cut to leave his adoring fans and go somewhere outside the known universe to play away from the position he plays so dreamy-ly?

There’s no way you could have Jeter at SS, playing as deep in the hole as he usually does, and have a sub-par defensive 2B. I could maybe see Boog as your 2B, swung way the hell up the middle, with Albert being his usual rangy self at first, but that’s pushing it significantly. Asking Jeter to change positions, especially after being awarded The Derek Jeter Award for a fifth time, would also introduce another pinch to the negotiations.

I don’t see any reason to explore in further detail a scenario I can’t ever see ever happening in the first place.

Ms Bitters (Invader Zim): Children, your performance was miserable. Your parents will all receive phone calls instructing them to love you less now.

by Rejuvenile on Nov 29, 2010 9:13 AM EST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

Not Going to Happen....

…Signing Jeter takes moolah outta Pujols’ pocket, and that’s not a good thing. He’d be a decent addition at the right price as a second baseman, but not at his insanely, crack-smoking Yankee demands. He knows he can ask for the sun, the moon, and the stars because only the hated Yankees, and maybe the Sawks, have the money, the hutzpah, and the lack of vision to meet his demands. And I don’t see him wanting to become second banana behind Pujols (maybe even third banana, behind Holiday!), when he’s the bee’s knees in Moo York City. I wouldn’t waste precious internet speculation cells thinking on it…
:=8/

My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Nov 29, 2010 9:26 AM EST reply actions  

Regarding the Yankees...

as much as I despise the team, I’m quite proud of the way they’ve handled the negotiations for Jeter thus far. Offer him a more than fair (3/$45M) deal, and tell him to see if he can get a better offer elsewhere. Will a rival team make a ridiculous offer just so the Yanks HAVE to pay him over $20M for four years?

Jimmy Ballgame for 2011 RFer!!!

by cardzfanbub on Nov 29, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Just You Wait....

…their buckle to the intense media/fan pressure to bring back Jeeeetahhh at any price. Normally it would make me happy to see the Yanks over-pay for a mediocre player, but they toss mooolah around like Oprah at a Dove Bar sale and are never truly financially hamstrung by anyone…

:=8/

My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Nov 29, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

i kind of agree with you

if you ever do the polls on ESPN.com, the Derek Jeter questions make me sick…..

Is three years, $21 million a fair deal? 67% say yes (umm.. i don’t think so..)
What would be a worse outcome for the Yankees? 61% think its worse to not sign him than to overpay (ummm… i don’t think so)
Where would you rank Jeter among MLB SS? 39% say in Top 5 (umm… i don’t think so), 33% in Top 10, 21% in top half

by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 29, 2010 7:40 PM EST up reply actions  

+1, MooCow.

We should be focusing on the Mang. Helping Mo’ w/ideas on how to re-sign him. All this Jeter biz is fine for the ego-centric Yanks. I’m sure they love the attention. But they’ll not have mine. I put them on a time-out ’til ST 2011.

"Beckett’s retired 19 batters through Six and a third innings, he’s having a phenomonal night…" --Tim McCarver

by kallawaykid on Nov 29, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

no way jeter would be a cardinal.

he’s either going to have to accept the yankees offer or get no more than $10-12M a year from any other team.

and, apparently, the cards are interested in berkman.

by zoomzoomj88 on Nov 29, 2010 9:37 AM EST reply actions  

Good to see their...

looking into replacements for Pujols in case he leaves. Mark Hamilton isn’t cutting it.

Screw you, you freakin stats nerd

by guayzimi on Nov 29, 2010 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

they're...

[makes coffee]

Screw you, you freakin stats nerd

by guayzimi on Nov 29, 2010 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

opening day lineup

1. Schumaker lf
2. Berkman 1b
3. Pujols 2b
4. Holliday rf
5. Rasmus cf
6. Freese 3b
7. Molina c
8. Ryan ss
9. Lee P

by infallibleopiniongenerator on Nov 29, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

wrong

we’ll sign adam dunn to play LF.

I am the Batman .
@CodeeG

by CodyG on Nov 29, 2010 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

DRAT!

I was going to write in Cliff Lee as SS but I see you beat me to it (as pitcher)
;-)

by jealousblues on Nov 29, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I remember when Albert said of 1c (within the collective)

it’s like having another ace.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 29, 2010 9:51 AM EST reply actions  

Hmmm

Where have I heard this logic before?

Old-school sportswriters might say the Cardinals (I’ve also heard the Orioles) need to go after Derek Jeter because of his reputation as a winner and a clubhouse leader.

That’s right. With Tino Martinez! Jeter is not Tino. But, given his decline, he may devolve into Tino. It’s easy to be lush with intangibles when you’re winning and playing well and something else all together when your body starts to betray you and you’re no longer king of the hill, top of the heap.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 29, 2010 10:06 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

I was waiting for the Tino Martinez reference

Jeter would be a far more expensive Tino redux. We’d be lucky to get one good season out of him then just have to suck on it to the tune of $20m per.

by jjray on Nov 29, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

oh gawd no! no more over the hill Yankee's like Tino

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 29, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

that is some terrible logic for signing somebody

Let’s ignore that he’ll cost at least more than $15 million/year, is 37, and plays terrible defense…

by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 29, 2010 7:42 PM EST up reply actions  

He's 36 actually

But he’ll be 37 in June, which is probably more or less what you meant.

by mojowo11 on Nov 30, 2010 1:00 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm sure it's been mentioned before...

Cardinals “Interested” In Berkman

Berkman is one of my favorite non-Cardinals (even though I hated that he seemed to rock us), I’m just not sure I would want him limping around RF for a large chunk of $$$. If only it were 2008.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 29, 2010 10:14 AM EST reply actions  

or you could read the link up above too...

sheesh, Monday.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 29, 2010 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

You know....

this could actually work if Holliday would move to RF. I would be much more comfortable with the idea of Berkman in LF and Holliday in RF.

My biggest reservation about it would be the fact that Berkman can’t hit lefties, and neither can anybody else on our team.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Nov 29, 2010 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Lineup

1. Schumaker
2. Rasmus
3. Pujols
4. Holliday
5. Berkman
6. Freese?
7. Molina
8. Boog

Or we could move Freese to leadoff and Schumaker down in the order if Freese seems a better OBP bet. God, we’d be slow but we would mash.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Nov 29, 2010 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

wat

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 29, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Absent an extra-base hit,

That lineup looks like it would somehow take 5 consecutive singles to grind out a run.

They’re SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW

by dronemc on Nov 29, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Why is there an "absent an extra-base hit" qualifyer, though?

That’s dumb.

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 29, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

that baserunning had better be FIXED

by yesterday

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 29, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't start that again

Colby is going nowhere, even if TLR hates his guts with a fiery passion. The rest of the Cards bureaucracy isn’t that insane.

You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
Forsooth and Verily

by Aranathor on Nov 29, 2010 10:43 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

no

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Nov 29, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

You really don't like Colby, huh?

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

by VolsnCards5 on Nov 29, 2010 11:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

i like colby

i just don’t want any tlr-colby fighting press during the season. i’m sick of tlr helping players get their way out the door (jimmy, rolen, etc)

by zoomzoomj88 on Nov 29, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

fire joe strauss?

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Nov 29, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions   3 recs

jimmy left to make room for colby

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Nov 29, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

What the

How the hell are Berkman and Colby mutually exclusive!??

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 29, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Lance Berkman is no longer an outfielder.

1B is occupied and the NL doesn’t use the DH.

Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork

by TBender on Nov 29, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Berkman strikes me as a good bounceback candidate.

But, he’s really only a first baseman nowadays. Why on earth would we need a first baseman?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 29, 2010 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

bounce...

ok, I’ll just stop that right there.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 29, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

they don't call him fat elvis for nothing

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 29, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I grew Up in the 70's....

..so the only Elvis I remember is the fat, drug-snorting, deep fried peanut butter and banana -scarfing, white overstuffed jumpsuit-wearing, sending old ladies into a fit of underwear-tossing, scraggly-ass sideburns-wearing, Howard Hughes/Michael Jackson-living-in-isolation-and-out-of-touch-with-reality slobbering hillbilly version. I’m guessing he was far cooler in the 50’s…

:=8/

My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Nov 29, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

tbh he was really only fat for like two years at the end

by jealousblues on Nov 29, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

...or DH.

Which is why, even tho he wants to stay in the NL, he’ll probably end up on an AL club. TEX would be a great fit for him, moreso if they don’t sign Vlad. TOR would also be a good fit need-wise. Don’t know how the proud Texan feels about playing north of the border, tho.

"Beckett’s retired 19 batters through Six and a third innings, he’s having a phenomonal night…" --Tim McCarver

by kallawaykid on Nov 29, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Saw that. Got a good laugh out of it. Ah, the off-season.

"Beckett’s retired 19 batters through Six and a third innings, he’s having a phenomonal night…" --Tim McCarver

by kallawaykid on Nov 29, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Of all the players the Cards' have been linked with this offseason

I sinceirly hope the FO signs… none of them.

With the exception of the ludicriously hypothetical Jose Reyes trade, which won’t happen because the Mets have suddenly acquired a brain and he’s still under a relativley friendly contract for the 2011 season.

You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
Forsooth and Verily

by Aranathor on Nov 29, 2010 10:40 AM EST reply actions  

Whaccha got...

against Uribe? I’d love to have him as a SUPER utility player. He can play all infield positions at above average, and has some serious POP in his bat. He’d have to hit in the 6 spot or so, but with any luck he could be our everyday 2B by June!!!

Jimmy Ballgame for 2011 RFer!!!

by cardzfanbub on Nov 29, 2010 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Uribe has a career .307 OBP.

That’s decidedly not the type of offensive player this team which this team needs.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 29, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, it appears that Uribe will be taking his .307 OBP talents to Venice Beach.

http://twitter.com/Buster_ESPN/statuses/9299859953684480

(Granted, this is being reported from WWL-goon and Pujols/Howard trade conspirator, Olney)

"When I gave up a grand slam to Pete LaCock," Bob Gibson said later, "I knew it was time to quit."

by The Classical on Nov 29, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Dodger Stadium is nowhere near Venice

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 29, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I know.

It was the best I could do with a half-assed, outdated LeBron James meme reference in under 30 seconds of preparation.

"When I gave up a grand slam to Pete LaCock," Bob Gibson said later, "I knew it was time to quit."

by The Classical on Nov 29, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Perhaps you meant Vero Beach?

Which is no longer Dodgertown.

Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork

by TBender on Nov 29, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Acutally, it's even worse

according to B-R, it’s only .300, although the last 2 years in SF, he’s averaged .318. Maybe he’s learned something? His career SLG is .431, but in SF it’s been .464. That’s 56 points better than what he did his 3 years with the Rockies. Guess it would help to look at his home/road splits.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 29, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

you are so right
most of them are pure crap it seems

by jealousblues on Nov 29, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

berkman would be ok

except TLR would probably play him too often in bad spots

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 29, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

CAn we stop worrying about Lohse?

We’ve got 4 good pitchers in the first 4 slots, and we owe the 5th guy a load of cash. We’ve got far larger problems to solve.

by sdrone on Nov 29, 2010 10:43 AM EST reply actions  

Paying $12.18MM to a bad No. 5 starter is a pretty large problem.

That being said, it may not be a solvable problem..

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 29, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think

he’ll be a bad no. 5 starter. Contract aside, he is perfectly capable of doing what a no. 5 starter needs to do.

by WyoCardsFan on Nov 29, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Disagree that Lohse is an above-replacement-level pitcher

but I do agree that you have an awesome avatar – Go Team Venture! (just got done with Season 1 on DVD)

Ms Bitters (Invader Zim): Children, your performance was miserable. Your parents will all receive phone calls instructing them to love you less now.

by Rejuvenile on Nov 29, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

but I think Lohse is better than his busted arm

allowed him to be last year. I expect him to contribute nicely to what (assuming health for 1-4 spots in rotation) will be the best rotation in the NL

by infallibleopiniongenerator on Nov 29, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, Lohse theoretically should be a lot better next year

unless he has been in Europe racing motorcycles again

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 29, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I bet

Kyle will be a pleasant surprise this coming year

by jealousblues on Nov 29, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

That's the point

it’s (pretty much) a insolvable problem. We more or less have to hope that Lohse reverts to 2008 form.

by ArkansasTravs on Nov 29, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

At this rate, I'd be content with him in 2007 form.

"When I gave up a grand slam to Pete LaCock," Bob Gibson said later, "I knew it was time to quit."

by The Classical on Nov 29, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

But he's a durable innings-eater, right?

Isn’t that why we gave him a bajillion dollars?

by mojowo11 on Nov 29, 2010 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm more worried about his ability to eat innings.

If he hits the DL yet again, then we really have only Lynn to replace him. Then what happens if one or more of Carp, Westbrook, or Garcia goes on the DL? Augenstein may be an option, but we’ve yet to see if Duncan can fix his sinker. We need either a starter on a minor league deal or a “long reliever” who can step in and start when needed.

Padres' RFL for GG!

by stxcardsfan on Nov 29, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

To be fair

“what if two of our to starters go on the DL” is a pretty tough contingency for which to prepare. As some point, you’re just fucked no matter what.

by dronemc on Nov 29, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Since we draft 'innings eaters' instead of talented SPs

(Save Shelby)
We always seem to have an endless supply of AAAA SPs who throw in the low 90’s, and pitch to contact. Guys like:
- Hawksworth
- Lynn (I’ll eat my words if he’s more than a 4th SP)
- Ottavino
- Lambert
- Reyes (doesn’t fit this profile originally, but does now)

Glad we’re now bucking that trend. But one thing we can count on is Cardinals drafting the last 10 years is:
- Hard throwing RH relievers (great, except they really aren’t that rare)
- Players with low power, who supposedly will develop power and can’t stick at their position: (Cox, Walrus, Barton)
- Low ceiling, durable, 4th or 5th top end RH SPs.

I’d love it if they would draft more CFs, LHP and players with upside.
Like Rasmus & Miller and less like Wallace and Ottavino, but I’m not a scout.
/rant

by creativereason on Nov 29, 2010 7:32 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Ottavino

does not fit your mold (prior to injury). He sat at 94 and regularly touched the upper 90s. Neither does Reyes. I get your point but check out our minor league system pitching top to bottom come next season. Motte and Boggs came up through our system. Sanchez and Reifer are at AAA, both throw in the upper 90s. Shelby Miller should make it to AA by the end of next season. Matias (or whether his name his name now is) will be pitching in the USA, said to throw in the upper 90s. Then there is Jenkins, young kid with a big arm (2010 draftee).

The problem is major league ready starters. All we have is Lynn. I’m personally high on him given how he ended 2010. The question is what Lynn shows up at spring training in 2011? The guy who turned the corner his last 10 starts in 2010 or the guy who struggled in 2009 and the first half of 2010? We have plenty of major league ready depth in the pen @ AAA from the right side. It’s loogy that troubles me. Hope Freeman bounces back quickly from surgery. It will be interesting but I have a much less pessimistic view of our organizational pitching.

by jjray on Nov 29, 2010 8:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I like Lynn

But he’s going to have to prove to me that he’s better than PJ Walters, because they sound like fairly similar types of pitchers, generally speaking.

by mojowo11 on Nov 30, 2010 1:02 AM EST up reply actions  

a lot of this is selection bias...

the majority of all pitchers are RH, throw in the low nineties, and come up as 4th/5th starters or bullpen types. You’ve just described every team, not just the Cards.

It’d be great if we could draft more LH, power hitting CF’ers who break Bo Jackson’s high school baseball records and high school fireballers who throw 97 with great curveballs. But those guys are really rare.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 29, 2010 10:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I think signing a starter to a minor league deal is something that Mo...

will handle in due time (presumably around late February/March as per the usual).

As for a long reliever able to step in and start when needed. We already possess one of those in Kyle McClellan. His spot in the bullpen could be covered by the likes of Fernando Salas, Eduardo Sanchez, or even Josh Kinney (limited exposure, of course) rather adequately in a temporary scenario.

I think the front office should focus their attention on AP and the middle infield at the moment.

"When I gave up a grand slam to Pete LaCock," Bob Gibson said later, "I knew it was time to quit."

by The Classical on Nov 29, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Which is also why I find it wasteful to throw above average money at an injury prone, 35-year old Koji Uehara et al.

"When I gave up a grand slam to Pete LaCock," Bob Gibson said later, "I knew it was time to quit."

by The Classical on Nov 29, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

kmac

ridiculous not to give him a long look at sp

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Nov 29, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

if Kmac can keep all his RP stats the same as a starter fine...

Just that it’s probably not going to happen.

Now mitchell boggs on the otherhand…

I am the Batman .
@CodeeG

by CodyG on Nov 29, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Reality Used to be a Friend of Mine

KO story about Jeter…

Also, in another post KO thinks Jeter would be a upgrade over Boog, Skip, Decalso and Greene. I don’t think he taking the dollars into account.

Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork

by TBender on Nov 29, 2010 10:50 AM EST reply actions  

From that second article:
The Jeter market, then, is Baltimore, San Francisco and maybe St. Louis.

Link

Please Santa Claus, don’t bring me this gift.

Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork

by TBender on Nov 29, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah Garth Brooks would be right in this instance.

Although, I don’t see any reason why Jeter won’t take more money to stay in New York.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 29, 2010 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Peter Angelos offers more

because, well, he’s Peter Angelos.

Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork

by TBender on Nov 29, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I've been thinking about applying to his law firm.

as the first step in an elaborate plan to become a baseball GM.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 29, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Berkman and Jeter

Both of them have high demands.

Berkman thinks he can roam the OF, and still hit. The town where he is adored(h-town) has already said thanks but no thanks. If he doesnt realize he’s got something to prove, like he can still play he may end up in baseball pergetory(BAL) I say cards offer him a ST invite. Chance to play for a winner maybe as a ph or back up but thats all I’d do.

Jeter I think in the end he ends up a Yankee. If he’s as smart as everyone says he is he’ll reconsider his Demands. Or maybe he’s a bit more arrogant than people think.

This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers

by punchinjudy on Nov 29, 2010 11:10 AM EST reply actions  

owners

and this is a chance for the owners to help baseball, dont over price a contract for two guys who are winding up careers. I have heard thats what the yanks are doing since for years Jeter used the Market against them, they are now returning the favor

This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers

by punchinjudy on Nov 29, 2010 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

hfs

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on Nov 29, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

HFS that's funny.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 29, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

It looks to me as though

you may owe IHeartBoog some moolah, infringing on her so-called trademark.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 29, 2010 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

She didn't

™ it, she’s just covering her ass for infringement. I don’t care about copyright law.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 29, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

^ or TM law, for that matter.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 29, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

F'n hilarious

You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
Forsooth and Verily

by Aranathor on Nov 29, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

pwnsauce

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 29, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Ouch

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

by VolsnCards5 on Nov 29, 2010 1:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Typical for flim...

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 29, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Awesome, just awesome

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 29, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

flagged?

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Nov 29, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

the blockquote thing is there for a reason

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 29, 2010 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

For me

Anything used in comical reference I don’t quote.

by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 29, 2010 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

so you're fundamentally unfunny?

or… there is no “I”

I think the latter is more likely

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 29, 2010 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

but... before this takes off into memeing

not citing is technically against the rules. I think it’s SBN rules, not VEB rules. which means DanUp might be knocked down to display case wiper.

yes, even if you find it on the internetz and there’s no authorship attached to it.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 29, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

No, that is not true

And the dumbest thing I have read all day. This is not a book report that I am turning in. This is a joke I heard off the internet.

by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 30, 2010 2:29 AM EST up reply actions  

which you pass off as your own,

which is cool, cause then I can go onto reddit, and say, “I know this dude”

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 2:31 AM EST up reply actions  

When looked in a comical reference

It is so much funnier when it happened to someone you know or at least a friend of someone you know. Than random person never talked to before told me a story on the internet. That is why jokes are told in the first person.

This story seems highly unlikely to be true. It involves 2 different Ken’s. Who know’s 1 Ken? Let alone 2

by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 30, 2010 2:40 AM EST up reply actions  

i know a Ken, nice guy, son of a preacher man, sells real estate

his brother in law is also named Ken. he’s a professor at Wake Forrest. guess i know two Ken’s

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 30, 2010 2:42 AM EST up reply actions  

please

text them both, and see what happens.

Otherwise we’ll be stuck in SSS hell forever.

by SleepyCA on Nov 30, 2010 2:49 AM EST up reply actions  

i don't have the professor's number

but i’d put money on him being the one in the closet. he was always very effeminate

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 30, 2010 2:54 AM EST up reply actions  

That is kind of creepy

Calling out your brothers name during sex. This is why I don’t date girls with the same first name as my sister.

by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 30, 2010 2:55 AM EST up reply actions  

also on reddit.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 2:57 AM EST up reply actions  

no it's not, i swear i know two Ken's

flim i not only couldn’t date anyone with my sisters name, i couldn’t date anyone with the same name as any of my female relatives. it’s very creepy.

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 30, 2010 2:59 AM EST up reply actions  

good for you

copyright is copyright. it doesn’t care if it’s funny or not.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2010 8:10 AM EST up reply actions  

actually, SBN's rules are a lot stiffer than that

http://www.sbnation.com/guide/terms

scoff on it all you want, but don’t say it’s not true.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2010 8:13 AM EST up reply actions  

The cardinals signing Derek Jeter I'd literally the most nonsensical idea I've ever heard

In fact, that his name is mentioned on this blog – not in the context of his historically terrible defense and doucheyankeeness – is an attack on my very sensibilities.

by vivaelpujols on Nov 29, 2010 11:35 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Jeter reminds me too much of

overrated

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 29, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

it would be nice to have him just long enough

to get luggaged.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 29, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Except somewhat less suckage....

:=8P

My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Nov 29, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

I think we should spend whatever it takes to get him...

He is one of the most polished, grittiest players in baseball.

Screw you, you freakin stats nerd

by guayzimi on Nov 29, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

a Miles/Jeter MIF

do it! NOW!

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 29, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

FLAGGED

Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork

by TBender on Nov 29, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

How the fuck can you be polished and gritty

/sarcasm

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

by VolsnCards5 on Nov 29, 2010 12:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

look again

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 29, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Derek Jetah's on a horse?

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 29, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

it's a centaur........

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 29, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Derek Jeter demands 10Y/250M contract,

contract proposal includes clause that he may ride ARod like a horse up to five times per year. No details on the possible inclusion of family rides.

Enter vivaelpujols
My great wit allows me to interject that by assuming the partakers of this conversation are inbedded and perhaps romantically entangled, rather than indeed, the truthful observation that they are both platonic and standing upright. Great comedy may be produced!! -Aranathor

by hazel on Nov 29, 2010 9:46 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Felipe Lopez

The guy just makes too much sense not to have on our team. I mean he plays every position nitty and gritty and he umm… he has some nice tattoos.

I am the Batman .
@CodeeG

by CodyG on Nov 29, 2010 12:59 PM EST reply actions  

He also fills in for

his “reputation as a winner and good clubhouse leader”

No?

No

I thought I told you to trim those sideburns!

by martimeryard on Nov 29, 2010 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Flippy

I’m still scratchin my head on why the bosox offered him arbitration

by white088 on Nov 29, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Because
  • type b FA so he can decline arb in advance.
  • he made like 1M last year, how much of a raise can he get with his performance
  • the redsox are rich

I am the Batman .
@CodeeG

by CodyG on Nov 29, 2010 1:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

True

I hate the “their rich”, but its so damn true

by white088 on Nov 29, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

They're rich?

But they can’t compete with the Yankees! So they are just like every other team!

I know this because their ownership and fan base tells me so.

Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork

by TBender on Nov 29, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd like to see a social experiment

where they give the rays like 50 mil more in payroll for 3 years and just see what happens. They’d still be payin half as much as the yanks and would be trouncing them game in, game out. Granted, the Rays had a better regular season anyway, but food for thought.

by white088 on Nov 29, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

why wouldn't they offer him arby?

theres a slim chance he’ll take it, anyway. its a thin market, he should be able to get something. either way, he’s basically free anyway and they can get their compensation pick. I’m surprised we didn’t keep him to offer him arb.

Fire John Mozeliak

by purple_haze on Nov 29, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Did Floppy actually

play on par with his “cheap” contract? …as in did we get our money’s worth?

I thought I told you to trim those sideburns!

by martimeryard on Nov 29, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

no he was not...

he was 0.1 WAR which is not quite worth $1 million… still it wasn’t that bad of a loss….

by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 29, 2010 8:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I know he has a reputation as a clubhouse cancer and all

but i really feel that that if he only had a change of scenery and playing in a winning atmosphere he would be good here

maybe we can sweeten the deal by giving him a contract with some incentives for plate appearances…?

(It would be hilarious if Mo offered him a contract with lots of appearances clauses just to see how he would react)

by jealousblues on Nov 29, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

that wasn't just reputation

the report was just… bizarre behavior. it wasn’t just coming on time.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 29, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

im just being silly today

Though I wish I knew what really went on with that guy in the locker room

by jealousblues on Nov 29, 2010 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Holy crap

Reading this thread with people mentioning B.Ryan at SS, I just remembered I had a dream in which he was not on the team, let alone starting. Ugh..did I say dream? I meant nightmare.

by leefyg on Nov 29, 2010 1:18 PM EST reply actions  

i have a sick feeling the Cardinals are going to look the same as last season ...... sigh

"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"

Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."

by riftraftredbird on Nov 29, 2010 1:24 PM EST reply actions  

Would that be so horribly bad?

Boog, Skip, Yadi and Pujols could all be expected to be better, to varying degrees. Holliday was right on par with his career averages and I think the board is fairly bullish on Colby’s improvement potential. We don’t think Craig/Jay is going to be an unmitigated black hole of suck, so all we need is some insurance for third base if we’re going with the same starting 8.

The bench, oh god dear god, the bench. LaRue is gone, hopefully Mo has put down the anti-Miles pellets, meaning Stav and Aaron will be gone, too. So the Cards need a backup catcher, a left-handed bench bat, and someone who can play middle infield. Yeah, this looks ugly, but acceptable bench bats aren’t that hard to come by, are they?

Rotation is Waino-Carp-Garcia-Westy-Lohse, which offers quality on the front end and certainty, if not quality, on the back end.

Pen is largely the same as last season – Frankie, Motte, Boggs, K-Mac, Miller, missing only LOOGY #2 and a long man, which is generally a pretty fungible commodity.

Sure, it wouldn’t be the platonic ideal of my perfect team, but “largely the same as last season” is far from apocalyptic.

by dronemc on Nov 29, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

that's what I thought when I waited for a stronger bench

last year.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 29, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

not a terribly bad thing

except we’re pinning our hopes to a good deal of upwards regression. Contrast that with, say, signing Uggla (although it was never gonna happen imo), which would have given us an argument for being the best in the NL.

by mattyp on Nov 29, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

The Cards aren't trying to be "best in the NL" though.

They’re going for “likely the best in the NL Central,” which is an entirely different standard. As they’re constituted right now, they’re probably the favorite in the division, even with the obvious roster questions.

by dronemc on Nov 29, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

well they have the same team as last year, for the most part

when going for “likely the best in the NL central” got them a distant second-place finish (if not for a mini-streak at the end) marked by a series of losses to the most pathetic and perennially hapless NL teams.

by mattyp on Nov 29, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

That's on the on-the-field personnel, matty, not the front office.

There’s no way the Cards should have lost all those games to crappy teams last season. Sometimes crazy shit happens, but they Cards had the talent to do a hell of a lot better than they did against the Pirates, Nats, etc.

by dronemc on Nov 29, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

and yet

lost to them
and won against better teams

sounds pretty on-the-field there.

but again, I think it really is the bench, which is an org project

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 29, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

and no, that doesn't seem to make any sense

but i’m sure someone will expand on it

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 29, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

TLR micro manager and nerve shattering factor tonic was served

"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"

Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."

by riftraftredbird on Nov 29, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Ankle shattering...

Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork

by TBender on Nov 29, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

this too

"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"

Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."

by riftraftredbird on Nov 29, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

dude.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 29, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

So?

This is such a fallacious argument.

by vivaelpujols on Nov 29, 2010 4:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

There is nothing wrong with "pining our hopes with regression"

Regression is the default position, not something you hope for.

by vivaelpujols on Nov 29, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, it's not like they are old players either

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 29, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

mostly i'm thinking of 3rd base and what if Freese isnt able to play ? and Miles if i have to

watch that fucker all season hit weak ass ground balls in clutch situations i will cry .

"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"

Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."

by riftraftredbird on Nov 29, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Friendly reminder:

Aaron Miles is not on the roster.

Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork

by TBender on Nov 29, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

oh thank you, i feel better already

"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"

Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."

by riftraftredbird on Nov 29, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I was waiting for that.

VEB is slipping, it took an hour.

Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork

by TBender on Nov 29, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

*hurls*

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 29, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Bob Feller is THE prime example of a cranky old man...working with him a 8:00 AM has to be one of the most dangerous jobs in America.

by mtzxc on Nov 30, 2010 3:52 AM EST up reply actions  

That's what Tejada's for.

You can cry as he flails helplessly at breaking balls, or pops weakly into shallow right, instead.

by dronemc on Nov 29, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

this would be a very good thing if we don't sign Tejada

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 29, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

tbh

IF they went into the season not much different than last year
Id think they woudl be better
with westbook here for a full year and underperforming guys likely playing a bit better
(garcia could revert a little though)

by jealousblues on Nov 29, 2010 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

3/21

long long long

Fire John Mozeliak

by purple_haze on Nov 29, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh god...

That could get ugly quickly

You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
Forsooth and Verily

by Aranathor on Nov 29, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow.

I’m extremely grateful that we avoided that marriage. /McCourt’d

I shall harp on this once more…

Bill Hall for a one year deal, anyone?

"When I gave up a grand slam to Pete LaCock," Bob Gibson said later, "I knew it was time to quit."

by The Classical on Nov 29, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

This from Rotoworld
Tim Brown of Yahoo! Sports reports that “8 teams” are in the running for free agent utilityman Bill Hall.
Hall did just about everything for the Red Sox this year, and it did it all really well. Now it looks like he’s going to cash in. The Yankees are know to be interested, but they won’t be alone in wanting to add a versatile and productive infielder-outfielder. He posted a 772 OPS with 18 home runs, 46 RBI and nine stolen bases over 344 at-bats in 2010.

The grammatical mistakes are the writer’s.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 29, 2010 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

why is eight teams in quotes?

and in journalism i believe that if its less than 10, you spell out the word….

“it did it all really well” – even if you change it to he that is some poor writing….

by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 29, 2010 8:38 PM EST up reply actions  

"8 teams"

is actually respectable: makes it clear that Brown said “eight teams”, not that he named the eight teams and the writer added them up.

ceterum censeo, delendo est Joe Strauss

by alberich on Nov 29, 2010 9:22 PM EST up reply actions  

oh i see what he did there

i’ve always been taught to not paraphrase as well and you should only use quotes when followed by he/she said… and when you have according to (which is nearly the same as Tim Brown reports) you don’t use quotes

but there is still a lot wrong with that rotoworld’s paragraph and i’m wondering how he has a job

by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 29, 2010 9:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Newspapers have a lot of odd house rules.

They’re mostly bad prescriptions designed not to foster good writing but to prevent bad writing.

And lots of reporters can’t handle the mechanics; that’s why in the old days they had editors who actually edited. My college roommate was a reporter, couldn’t spell or punctuate worth a damn – because he never had to. But he was a hell of a writer.

ceterum censeo, delendo est Joe Strauss

by alberich on Nov 29, 2010 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Brown's report came via Twitter

which may explain the poor writing. It may also help explain the eventual decline of language as we know it.
/rant

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 29, 2010 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Also, as with the EMT/Paramedic fields

any words stated by someone else should be in quotes. Instead of always adding in the he said or she said verbage, it’s more precise and efficient just to use the patients exact words in quotes when writing up reports and run sheets.

Example: Patient felt “nauseated and weak” upon arrival.

Just a way to keep someone’s words separate from yours.

Bob Feller is THE prime example of a cranky old man...working with him a 8:00 AM has to be one of the most dangerous jobs in America.

by mtzxc on Nov 30, 2010 3:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd be interested

Still not a very good OBP guy though. Which is one of Uribe’s problems.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 29, 2010 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

the same Dodgers that traded Carlos Santana to avoid paying an extra 3.5 million right?

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 29, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

It was the cost of all the guitars, though.

Those upped the price tag considerably once they were factored in.

by dronemc on Nov 29, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

PRS' are spensive

and the Santana models have that South American Rosewood thats hard to get these days

by jealousblues on Nov 29, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Uribe appears to be signing with the Dodgers...

therefore, I present to you a presumably cheaper and more versatile option for our middle infield.

Bill Hall

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/hallbi03.shtml

…and if you would like to compare him to Uribe.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/u/uribeju01.shtml

He’s coming off of a nice little rebound season in Boston where he played six different positions and posted an OPS that was 23 points higher than Uribe’s.

Any interest?

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by The Classical on Nov 29, 2010 1:28 PM EST reply actions  

I'm for it

Can be had cheaper and won’t be completely pissed in a utility role

by white088 on Nov 29, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd be interested in Hall or Hardy.

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by bgh on Nov 29, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

JJ Hardy would look mighty fine at 2nd

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by gdm426 on Nov 29, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I hear he's a slow guy though

gets a lot of his range by playing deep and having the arm.
/or am i confusing him with someone else?

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by CodyG on Nov 29, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

but he was badass.

someone post the picture.

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...

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by RiverRat on Nov 29, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

he looks like spud from trainspotting

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by TomCat009 on Nov 29, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

this is not the picture, but okay.

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by Yadi2Second on Nov 29, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Will this do?

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by The Classical on Nov 29, 2010 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

it would be nice

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 29, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Good thanks.

Didn’t see him as a good fit for us.

Wouldn’t mind taking a flyer on Hall. His K rate is quite high, but he does have versatility, power and a little patience. How is his defense these days?

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by kallawaykid on Nov 29, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

plus

he hit the 1st home run ever at Busch III

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by scoot on Nov 29, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

In the way of merit badges...

he also won the “Brewers Good Guy Award” for 2006.

Resume filler? Perhaps – But at least it’s more favorable than having won the “Brewers Douche Of The Year Award”, which was preemptively bestowed upon Ryan Braun despite him playing in Huntsville and not having a single ML at-bat to his name at the time of the announcement.

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by The Classical on Nov 29, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

He pitched an inning last year?

Now that is a TLR-style team player. Sign him up! ;)

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by kallawaykid on Nov 29, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

sigh....an infield of Boog, Schumaker, and oft-injured Freese

portends another very frustrating and probably depressing year, I’m afraid. And I’m not convinced there are a lot of viable options out there to substantially ameliorate that.

by mattyp on Nov 29, 2010 1:39 PM EST reply actions  

Makes you miss the Renteria, Vina, Rolen years doesn't it.

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by mtzxc on Nov 30, 2010 3:59 AM EST up reply actions  

I hate Derek Jeter

it’s dumb that people are talking about signing him. with Uribe about to be out of the conversation, Hudson remains an interesting choice, barring overpayment. Berkman could be a nice bat off the bench, but he will cost more than that would make sense to pay for, probably.

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 29, 2010 1:51 PM EST reply actions  

Jeter's just negotiating, that's all

why hold it against him? Every dollar he gives up is another dollar in the coffers of the Yankees, or in the owners’ pockets. So if someone had to be enriched and it’s not gonna be me, I guess I’d rather see it be Jeter.

by mattyp on Nov 29, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Only if

the only three parties that can be involved in the conversation are you, the Yankees, and The Captain. Virtually anyone else, short of terrorist financiers and their peers, would also get my vote over the Yankees and Jeter. Hell, I’d even give it to the Cubs – something about the holiday season makes me generous toward bums, although you’re better off buying them a meal than letting them buy something foolish with it, like Juan Pierre.

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by Rejuvenile on Nov 29, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I just think that he is not that good

and I don’t like the Yankees.

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 29, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

hey Edgar Renteria is still available

I’ll join that boat if it means we avoid the likes of tejada.

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by CodyG on Nov 29, 2010 2:20 PM EST reply actions  

yeah, he's still better than miguel

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 29, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll only agree to this if we also ALSO sign David Eckstein

for that is the only semi-tautological way for this team to win the division.

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by The Classical on Nov 29, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

super leadership grittiness

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 29, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Eckstein at second wouldn't suck as bad as putting him back at short though.

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by mtzxc on Nov 30, 2010 4:00 AM EST up reply actions  

I know George Sherrill has been mentioned as a LOOGY

what about BJ Ryan?

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by TomCat009 on Nov 29, 2010 2:34 PM EST reply actions  

No

Milb deal at the most. (just to show how much disdain for a deal like that Rich Hill>BJ Ryan)

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by CodyG on Nov 29, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

so you are saying you would not have given him 47 million over 5 years?

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by TomCat009 on Nov 29, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

if they could they should

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by TomCat009 on Nov 29, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

dude is right handed yet throws left handed

I really wish he would start as a RHP and Close as a LHP…the magic of Billy Wager.

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by CodyG on Nov 29, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Sign Ian Sn(m)ell as a backup to our backup

he’d be a way better option that suppan,

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by CodyG on Nov 29, 2010 2:44 PM EST reply actions  

I watched him a bit with the Mariners this year

He just looked terrible… I liked the signing at the time, but like everything with the Mariners last year, it bombed

I would say no, unless it’s a minor league deal

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by mysterui on Nov 29, 2010 9:56 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, the marlins made another stupid move

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 29, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Not terrible

Even with permanent velocity loss, he should still be an above average pitcher.

by vivaelpujols on Nov 29, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, I guess it wasn't that bad, but it was a curious move

I’d have waited to sign a guy like that til the last minute. since he’s a gamble, it wouldn’t be a big loss to not sign him

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 29, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Imagine that GB staff

Westbrook career 59% GB
Webb 64% career GB
Jaime 56% career GB
Carp 52% career GB
Waino 49%

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by CodyG on Nov 29, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

and we could have
skip at 2nd
Tejada at ss
and Lopez (back inexplicably) at 3b

;-)

by jealousblues on Nov 29, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

if that happens, the last remnants of my sanity will be gone

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 29, 2010 5:52 PM EST up reply actions  

sign Penny for closer MO!!!!

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 29, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

holding. . .

current time: 15 minutes and counting

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by scoot on Nov 29, 2010 3:29 PM EST reply actions  

can't wait for Lohse to rebound next season

or at least, give Jake some competition as to who is the #4. hell, for all we know both of those guys will be better than Garcia (probably not though)

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 29, 2010 3:45 PM EST reply actions  

totally called it with uribe

he’d be nice to have, but who wants him at 3/$21MM?

you can have him, dodgers

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by prophetjohn on Nov 29, 2010 3:45 PM EST reply actions  

Uribe overpay

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 29, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

assuming ryan theriot is non-tendered

give me a reason why we shouldn’t pick him up

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by prophetjohn on Nov 29, 2010 3:48 PM EST reply actions  

other than cub cooties, of course

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by prophetjohn on Nov 29, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

damn, stole my reason.

uhh fall in walk rate over last few seasons.

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by CodyG on Nov 29, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

free

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by prophetjohn on Nov 29, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

flagged

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by gdm426 on Nov 29, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Theriot has a similar body to Miles.

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by SheckieZx on Nov 29, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

miles is stockier

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 29, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

or is that stav?

Kyle Lohse has a No-Trade Clause.

by BVHeck on Nov 29, 2010 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Ummmm. . . .

Click on this link. . . .

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/theriry01.shtml

And scroll down to see who’s number 1 on his similarity score list.

Go ahead, I’ll wait,

by SouthsideCardsFan on Nov 29, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

without looking I'm going to guess Miles

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by albrtfn on Nov 29, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

knew it

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by albrtfn on Nov 29, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, but. . .

guys like Miles and Theriot tend to age poorly.

My own theory is that once the league learns that you can’t hit it out of the park or even into the gap, they start challenging your pop gun bat more, leading to a decrease in walk rate.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Nov 29, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

theriot will be 32

miles 35

also, theriot is free

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by prophetjohn on Nov 29, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

At 32. . .

Miles hit 185/224/242 and got released. By the Cubs.

I wouldn’t mind signing Theriot, I’m mostly just funnin’, but he’s a far inferior SS to Boog (at least in the field), and his offense is in free fall.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Nov 29, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

are you saying that all 32-year-olds will have that line?

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by prophetjohn on Nov 29, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course not. . .

but slappy hitting middle-fielders with middling walk rates with the same profile that Miles and Theriot had/have at age 31 are more likely to have that line than Albert Pujols or Matt Holliday.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Nov 29, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm will to bet that
slappy hitting middle-fielders with middling walk rates with the same profile that Miles and Theriot had/have at age 31

are likely to have a line much better than .185/.224/.242

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by Evilfrog on Nov 29, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

because really

highschool softball players would have a better line than .185/.224/.242. I’m not suggesting we pick up Theriot.

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by Evilfrog on Nov 29, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Ryan or Skippy at second?

same player if you ask me except ryan can steal a base(if need be) and still has a glove the last i checked.

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by CodyG on Nov 29, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Theriot not ryan

dang this is perhaps the biggest reason not to.

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by CodyG on Nov 29, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

he's free

and was 3 and 2 WAR in ’08 and ’09

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by prophetjohn on Nov 29, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Aaron Miles was free in 2010. . .

and we saw how well that worked out.

Actually, Miles didn’t kill htis team, but you get my drift.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Nov 29, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

okay

that’s half my argument

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by prophetjohn on Nov 29, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Now, sure. . .

but when both were 31, they were very similar players. You could even have argued that Miles was better at age 31 than Theriot is now (at age 31).

by SouthsideCardsFan on Nov 29, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

It's easy, actually

Miles at 31: 317/355/398 in 408 PAs
Theriot at 30: 270/321/312 in 640 PAs

Miles fell off a cliff soon thereafter.

Career until that point:

Miles: 289/329/364
Theriot: 284/348/356

Not a lot of difference there, tbh.

I would prefer Theriot myself, but it’s not like he’s Derek Jeter or anything.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Nov 29, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

No!

Miles had one good season. For his career he was replacement level. Theriot has had several good seasons and is well above replacement for his career.

by vivaelpujols on Nov 29, 2010 4:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

No one's mentioned the 2nd guy on that list?

One Jason Bartlett who’s going to come in and save the day for us?

Bartlett has had some good years, however, so hopefully, if we do obtain him, 2011 will be a bounce back year for him.

by ArkansasTravs on Nov 30, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

A couple of reasons

Potential “The Riot” puns…

EX: Johnny Cueto has incited The Riot.

Also, is adding another “gritty” singles hitter to our middle infield really needed at this point?

I don’t think he’s necessarily another Miles, but I think there are still better options available.

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by The Classical on Nov 29, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

who are the better options?

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by prophetjohn on Nov 29, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Bill Hall, J.J. Hardy

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by The Classical on Nov 29, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah but Theriot is really cheap

I like this idea mucho

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 29, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Hall or Hardy

would provide more extra base-hits and consistent gap power in general – which is a valuable asset from the middle infielders that we lacked last season.

At some point, you’re going to have to spend a little bit of money. If we simply avoid pulling what the Dodgers did with Uribe, we’ll be likely to come out pleased with the production at 2B and/or SS.

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by The Classical on Nov 29, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not opposed to either really

but isn’t it pretty complicated to get Hardy? and Hall’s defense isn’t much better than Skip’s

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 29, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

OR...

we could get 6-7 Miles/Theriot types!

by jealousblues on Nov 29, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Though a 6'7 Miles/Theriot type would be pretty fucking intimidating

Also hilarious to watch play

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by mysterui on Nov 29, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

isn't stav like 6'2?

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by gdm426 on Nov 29, 2010 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

i'd like hardy

i’m not sure hall is much of an upgrade

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by prophetjohn on Nov 29, 2010 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

tweet
hen Lance Berkman was asked which teams have contacted him this winter, he mentioned the Cardinals first.

link

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by CodyG on Nov 29, 2010 3:52 PM EST reply actions  

to play 2B?

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by prophetjohn on Nov 29, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

wtf. to play WHERE?

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by IHeartBoog on Nov 29, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

give me a shot at 3B

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by scoot on Nov 29, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

That comment is full of win.

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by ducttape16 on Nov 29, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

begging will never get you to third.

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by RiverRat on Nov 29, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm not begging, i'm just stating the facts

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by gdm426 on Nov 29, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

We already have a guy at first.

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 29, 2010 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

i was talking about 3rd, who's on first?

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by gdm426 on Nov 29, 2010 7:11 PM EST up reply actions  

who cares, first is boring

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by scoot on Nov 29, 2010 7:58 PM EST up reply actions  

your face is boring

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by gdm426 on Nov 29, 2010 9:51 PM EST up reply actions  

just give me a shot

work has sucked SO BAD today.

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by SheckieZx on Nov 29, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

In bed?

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by Aranathor on Nov 29, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah... i'll take my liquor in bed.

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John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 29, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

twss

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by scoot on Nov 29, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

he could be a very defensively poor sub

give Albert days off (if he gets any), perhaps move Albert to second every once in a while, start him in RF sometimes, he’d also be tons better than stav as our power bat off the bench…. just not sure how much money he’ll command, possibly could be a steal though

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 29, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

he played there once

I’m sure he could do it every once in a while

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 29, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

you for, like, an inning

when they ran out of players. they way his arm is, i wouldn’t want him making those throws.

by adiueordie on Nov 29, 2010 10:57 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

I dunno, berkman in the outfield should be limited unless he is raking

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 29, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Holliday in RF

Puma in LF (manny could do it)

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by CodyG on Nov 29, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

How much would Big Puma cost us?

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 29, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

5-10 games when he plays LF

/rimshot

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by TBender on Nov 29, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Good point.

Here, take your choice…

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 29, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

if they do sign Puma

it would be interesting to see what happens. Which of Albert’s arm has the elbow problems?

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 29, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

elbow

Kyle Lohse has a No-Trade Clause.

by BVHeck on Nov 29, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

awesome

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 29, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm a big fan of Berkman in left and Holliday in right

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by mysterui on Nov 29, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

seems reasonable

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 29, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

good post

Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter

by prophetjohn on Nov 29, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

so, um, well, humph, this is embarrassing but totally expected

there are some issues with me getting security clearance & i may not be able to accept the job i was offered last week. thankfully i still have interviews lined up this week in case something like this did happen. they all pay a lot better & i have already done the type of work so i would be more comfortable with them right off the bat. nothing is certain yet & i still will probably get cleared, but i wouldn’t be able to start on monday because of the delay & instead would have to wait till next year, which i just can’t afford to do.

there’s always something with me, nothing is ever easy or as it seems. i’m trying to stay positive & have faith. but i’m worried. everything happens for a reason, here’s hoping i find out what the reason is rather quickly.

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 29, 2010 4:25 PM EST reply actions  

I always blame the system...

for my failings. Works pretty well…

Screw you, you freakin stats nerd

by guayzimi on Nov 29, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

life is not easy

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 29, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

it's really f'ing aggravating & stupid

because there’s this huge normal employment gap on my resume i made up a name for a company for when i was taking care of my dad. i made it clear to this place it wasn’t a real company, i just put it on there because no one would even talk to me when i had something like "volunteer for 8yrs’ on there to explain what i’ve been doing since 2002. the company was really cool about it & said they’d clear it with FedEx & UPS & it would not be a problem.

well FedEx & UPS aren’t happy they can’t call this company, or two of the other companies on my resume. yes, three of the 4 companies on my resume are no longer in business or fake. now you all can see one reason why this job search has been so hard. so today i get a call from the background/security clearance arms of FedEx & UPS & the lady was yelling at me for lying & pretty much said she’ll never approve my security clearance. so i called the woman i interviewed with & she was really pissed off that i was yelled at & said that should never happen. she said she’d take care of it & call me back today before 5. when i didn’t hear back from her by 5 i called at 530 & was told she had left for the day. so it looks like the job search continues. happy happy joy joy

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 29, 2010 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

is your name George?

You should apply with the Yankees!

(I kid, and I hope all works out well for you)

by jealousblues on Nov 29, 2010 7:42 PM EST up reply actions  

maybe I will

heh

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 29, 2010 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

my friends called me george, homer, AL & charlie brown in high school

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 29, 2010 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I really hate resumes and most of the hiring process

it’s usually inaccurate, like you said places go out of business or you get out of touch with old contacts. there’s gotta be a better way of hiring people. stay optimistic, and realize that if this opportunity passes you by, there might be a better one coming up. having a really shitty job that you don’t like is just as bad as having no job, because it will stress you out. also, everyone lies on their resume, they are just being lame about it.

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 29, 2010 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 29, 2010 8:07 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm really hopeful about the interviews i have lined up this week

both aren’t sitting in cubicle all day, both have more freedom & let me do my own thing & both pay a lot more.

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 29, 2010 9:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Were I you, I'd remove the fake company from your resume,

and just explain in the interview what exactly you’ve been doing the past 8 years. Only, don’t call it volunteer, call it caregiver, or something similar.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 29, 2010 11:16 PM EST up reply actions  

gdm inc.

 Home caregiving with one client.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 29, 2010 11:18 PM EST up reply actions  

you're pretty close

it’s independent care givers inc.

for the longest time i just had volunteering on there & no one would call me or even take my application seriously. only till i faked it did i actually start getting somewhere

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 29, 2010 11:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Broski, I think what you did is MUCH more impressive

I’d write down caregiving as well

Wait

Caregiving and caretaking are the same thing, right?

FUUUUUUUUUUU

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 29, 2010 11:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Other than the fact that you caretake things and not people, I suppose...

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 29, 2010 11:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Wait you can caretake people

FUUUUUUUUUU

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 29, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions  

caregiving sounds less selfish

fu

Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter

by prophetjohn on Nov 30, 2010 12:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Also, The tax year isn't over.

You can make this legit, probably easily.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 12:02 AM EST up reply actions  

FYI, falsifying a resume is very bad juju

Technically, you’ve forged a legal document and could go to jail for perjury. Doubt if the employer would spend the money to prosecute, but you would certainly be fired for cause if you get “found out”, which you probably will.

Better to say something like “self-employed” or “abducted by aliens” or something. At least that shows that you have “intangibles”.

by SleepyCA on Nov 30, 2010 12:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Can't he just write "Caretaker to father?"

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 30, 2010 12:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Sorta like "stay at home mom."

Even though it can be incredibly taxing work and a full-time job (and in GDM’s case I KNOW that it was), employers just aren’t impressed with that. It sucks.

by spants on Nov 30, 2010 12:13 AM EST up reply actions  

It at least explains the 8 year gap, though

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 30, 2010 12:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah...

otherwise they just assume penitentiary…

Screw you, you freakin stats nerd

by guayzimi on Nov 30, 2010 12:15 AM EST up reply actions  

you wouldn't believe how many ppl asked if i just got out of jail

last year, that’s another reason why i changed it

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 30, 2010 1:53 AM EST up reply actions  

It's illegal for them to ask that.

Sue their asses.

Enter vivaelpujols
My great wit allows me to interject that by assuming the partakers of this conversation are inbedded and perhaps romantically entangled, rather than indeed, the truthful observation that they are both platonic and standing upright. Great comedy may be produced!! -Aranathor

by hazel on Nov 30, 2010 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

which is exactly another reason why i changed it

i did have one job call me last year & when i told them what i did the guy laughed. i promptly told him off & hung up the phone

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 30, 2010 1:55 AM EST up reply actions  

doesn't do much in the resume itself

but yes, that is good information for the cover letter.

Also, if the “volunteer work” was with a reputable organization, you can list that as work. Same with community college classes, etc.

by SleepyCA on Nov 30, 2010 12:33 AM EST up reply actions  

looks like i need to rewrite it

here’s the kicker, my cousin last year was looking for a new job & he & his wife help me put it together based on what got him a really good job.

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 30, 2010 1:54 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah, colleges love money

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 29, 2010 8:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I have like 50 stressful things up in the air right now.

All you can do is what is in front of you. We can’t control the outcome for most things, so I just try to remember to breathe and stay in the moment.

Good luck, GDM.

by spants on Nov 29, 2010 9:08 PM EST up reply actions  

very good advise, i'm trying that & trying to stay positive

i’m not really that upset, i’m embarrassed more than anything. everyone was so cool & very nice last week & i feel like i let all of you down.

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 29, 2010 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Dude, we have fang up in here

There’s nothing you can do to let us down more than that guy

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 29, 2010 10:32 PM EST up reply actions  

to be fair, his whore of a mother is also to blame

you have no idea how hard it’s been trying to undo the damage she’s done

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 29, 2010 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

BAH; all the guys in my flat are gettin pumped for a big night out

i feel like a massive loser for not going… but i’m falling asleep just standing up.

You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
Forsooth and Verily

by Aranathor on Nov 29, 2010 5:07 PM EST reply actions  

That's dangerous.

You should really fall asleep lying down.

Silly humans, this world is for robots.

by azruavatar on Nov 29, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

that is the most unsuggestive

‘in bed’ in the whole history of ‘in bed’ jokes.

good show.

You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
Forsooth and Verily

by Aranathor on Nov 29, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I do try

but there are many things on my bed. Also alcohol.

You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
Forsooth and Verily

by Aranathor on Nov 29, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

i thought you had the advantage of being able to sleep with many kinds of things?

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 29, 2010 5:32 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Not when they're inanimate

and clothes-shaped.

but still, most poingant, good sir.

You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
Forsooth and Verily

by Aranathor on Nov 29, 2010 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

ohh look who is getting all choosy

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 29, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

i know

first i refuse to bang my own clothes… next its people!!

What is the world coming to?

You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
Forsooth and Verily

by Aranathor on Nov 29, 2010 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

according to Monty Python you can slip in your sock

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 29, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

So THATS why i'm not allowed in 17 states!

It all makes so much sense…

You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
Forsooth and Verily

by Aranathor on Nov 29, 2010 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey you're allowed

Just not to be happy

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 29, 2010 6:32 PM EST up reply actions  

"Shake it once

anymore than that and it constitutes pleasure and, in the marines, we are not in the business of pleasure"

You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
Forsooth and Verily

by Aranathor on Nov 29, 2010 9:11 PM EST up reply actions  

easy- jeter's agent asks

One, who needs a shortstop?

Two, who has gobs of money?

Three, who is so dumb he would give jeter more than 3y/$45m?

Ed Wade is holding on line 2

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Nov 29, 2010 7:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Also,

Sign Andy LaRoche

You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
Forsooth and Verily

by Aranathor on Nov 29, 2010 6:25 PM EST reply actions  

I have a test on Hamlet tomorrow

Who wants to share an interesting opinion about the book (specifically the psychology behind it)?

by vivaelpujols on Nov 29, 2010 6:30 PM EST reply actions  

Sparknotes' analysis is either really basic, or wrong

Besides, I’d rather here from random unemployed people on a baseball blog.

by vivaelpujols on Nov 29, 2010 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm unemployed!

Hamlet… is that the one with the balcony and the “where for art though”…? and Baz Luhrrman

You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
Forsooth and Verily

by Aranathor on Nov 29, 2010 6:37 PM EST up reply actions  

you should believe him

he’s British

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 29, 2010 6:37 PM EST up reply actions  

poor Colby.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 29, 2010 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

ahem!

some of us work for our mothers cleaning the basement we inhabit…

FFS!

by jealousblues on Nov 29, 2010 7:07 PM EST up reply actions  

up yours?

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 29, 2010 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Well,

a) It’s not a book. Shakespeare did not write books. He wrote scripts.
b) Polonius is a lot brighter than he plays himself. Claudius is a lot dimmer, but not so dim as Gertrude.
c) Hamlet’s basic problem is the Actor’s Problem (or Writer’s), videlicet, he doesn’t want to do what he’s called upon to do because it’s something he’s never done before; so he does everything else he can think of that looks like it’s what he’s called upon to do instead. Once he gets past his Actor’s block and just takes things as they come he does just fine and Heroic. Of course he dies, but it doesn’t matter because the play is over and Hamlet is happy. And the terrifically unselfconscious Fortinbras takes over and there’s no question but he will do all sorts of things he’s never done before.

At least that’s the way it was when I directed it.

ceterum censeo, delendo est Joe Strauss

by alberich on Nov 29, 2010 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

videlicet

damn, my edumecation is either failing me, or my mind is going.

or both.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 29, 2010 6:47 PM EST up reply actions  

You can spell it viz. if you'd rather

but you get more points for knowing what viz. abbreviates. “To wit:”

Either way it should be italicized, but that’s too much work here.

ceterum censeo, delendo est Joe Strauss

by alberich on Nov 29, 2010 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

ohhhhhh

that thingy

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 29, 2010 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks

That’s pretty much my take on Hamlet’s delay – it’s something that I can relate to in many instances as well. So obviously you think he’s faking the madness?

by vivaelpujols on Nov 29, 2010 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

W e l l . . .

Not so much faking it as indulging in it. It’s an Actor thing, again: fun, flashy, and requires technique but not commitment. Polonius hands him a Big Part on a silver platter.

There’s probably some in-house joking at Dickie Burbage’s expense there, too.

ceterum censeo, delendo est Joe Strauss

by alberich on Nov 29, 2010 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok, so what do you think about the Ghost?

Is it really speaking to him or is it a projection of his subconcious?

by vivaelpujols on Nov 29, 2010 7:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Common-or-garden-variety ghost

Pretty tame as ghosts go.

Of course it’s a real ghost. Horatio sees it, Barnardo sees it, Marcellus sees it – does Hamlet’s subconscious project onto their brainpans?

ceterum censeo, delendo est Joe Strauss

by alberich on Nov 29, 2010 7:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Tradition has it

that the Ghost was played by one of the company’s lesser histrionic lights – a chubby fellow from Warwickshire – so not a technical stretch.

ceterum censeo, delendo est Joe Strauss

by alberich on Nov 29, 2010 7:20 PM EST up reply actions  

i thought the Ghost was one of the few characters shakespeare was known to have played himself?

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Nov 29, 2010 9:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

ceterum censeo, delendo est Joe Strauss

by alberich on Nov 29, 2010 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

(but "known" is stretching it:

… that story first pops up in 1708.)

ceterum censeo, delendo est Joe Strauss

by alberich on Nov 29, 2010 9:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I've read some very compelling argument's re:

Shakespeare’s plays actually being written by Edward de Vere, 17th Earl of Oxford. Not that I believe it, but it’s not out of the realm of possibility.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 29, 2010 11:28 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not out of the realm of possibility

that Babe Ruth’s home runs were hit by Ty Cobb under a pseudonym.

Or at least no further out.

ceterum censeo, delendo est Joe Strauss

by alberich on Nov 30, 2010 1:14 AM EST up reply actions  

To be fair, I just finished reading Joyce

So I’m used to realism, with any aberration from that usually being psychosomatic.

by vivaelpujols on Nov 29, 2010 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Start by not calling it a book

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

by VolsnCards5 on Nov 29, 2010 8:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

this is why no one wants to help you

oh so funny

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 29, 2010 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

dude

just a joke…assjerk

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

by VolsnCards5 on Nov 29, 2010 10:58 PM EST up reply actions  

nice

Screw you, you freakin stats nerd

by guayzimi on Nov 29, 2010 8:54 PM EST up reply actions  

that's what hamlet said

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 29, 2010 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

verily

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 29, 2010 6:37 PM EST up reply actions  

also, repost.

You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
Forsooth and Verily

by Aranathor on Nov 29, 2010 6:38 PM EST up reply actions  

oh the shades remind me of another meme

it’s slightly political, but worth the time of waiting for it.
via MCC, yeah i know.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 29, 2010 6:42 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

the slow frame rate does it.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 29, 2010 11:56 PM EST up reply actions  

while you were sleeping

Matt Pagnozzi signed a MiL deal with Rox.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 29, 2010 6:34 PM EST reply actions  

JAIME GARCIA

all star

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 29, 2010 6:35 PM EST up reply actions  

other two rooks were Strasfest and Feliz

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 29, 2010 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

mine still has turkey on it

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 29, 2010 6:37 PM EST up reply actions  

....the gravy helping?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 29, 2010 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

FACT

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 29, 2010 6:47 PM EST up reply actions  

How Dare You!!!

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 29, 2010 6:46 PM EST up reply actions  

too soon?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 29, 2010 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm ok with this

PAGZ FOR ROCKIES 2011 STARTING CATCHER!!!!!

I am the Batman .
@CodeeG

by CodyG on Nov 29, 2010 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

here is 27 year old Gagnozzi's

MiLB line ’
.214/.292/.294 in 1946 PA
here is 25 year old Michael McKenrys MiLB line
.265/.357/.455 in 2048 PA
That should be our back up catcher

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 29, 2010 6:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Good Lord how did he ever make it from A to A+ let alone to MLB

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 29, 2010 7:01 PM EST up reply actions  

well it is a consistent swing

he hits AAA pitchers just as poorly as he hits Rookie League pitchers

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 29, 2010 7:12 PM EST up reply actions  

He's like a robot with a singular purpose

To play only just barely well enough to not get kicked out of professional baseball.

by mojowo11 on Nov 30, 2010 1:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Unfortunately, it does not involve his arms.

"Beckett’s retired 19 batters through Six and a third innings, he’s having a phenomonal night…" --Tim McCarver

by kallawaykid on Nov 30, 2010 12:02 AM EST up reply actions  

So, the Hardball Times had a piece recently about Reggie Smith

Here’s my question: Is Reggie Smith a Hall of Famer?
I can’t help but be pretty damn impressed by the guy’s career. His Fangraphs page looks like “average HOF guy” to me. He’s similar to Jim Edmonds. Less power, probably better defense. Smith’s peak didn’t reach the same height of Edmonds, but he maintained a longer period of ~6 WAR type years (at least I think, I haven’t done a thorough comparison). They even have very similar totals, Smith with 71 WAR after 17 years, and Edmonds with 68 after the same amount of seasons.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 29, 2010 7:30 PM EST reply actions  

if he was as anything but a Smith he would already be in

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 29, 2010 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I always kind of assumed the "Reggie" part hurt him more.

Who wants to be the “other Reggie” of the 70s?

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 29, 2010 8:13 PM EST up reply actions  

it's funny that Theriot's career wOBA is higher than Uribe's, and he's only played half the games that Uribe has

Bill James is projecting Uribe to be better than Theriot next near, but Theriot is projected to have quite a bit better on base percentage. I think Theriot might actually be the better player next year, depending on their defense. of course, having either of them at shortstop would be a waste of time. and I’m not sure they are willing to upgrade at second.

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 29, 2010 8:26 PM EST reply actions  

I hope we're able to pull some better than Theriot out of this offseason

for our MIF Perhaps it is the stench of Cub, but Theriot hasn’t shown me anything that makes me prefer him to Ryan, and I think Schumaker is a good bet to outhit him next year.

How much better is Theriot on defense than Skip?

by infallibleopiniongenerator on Nov 30, 2010 2:37 AM EST up reply actions  

at second, theriot is really pretty good

at short, not so much

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 30, 2010 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Monday Night Football...

Go Cardinals! And what the fuck are they wearing? I’m seeing black jerseys here….

by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 29, 2010 8:43 PM EST reply actions  

Would Matt Leinart...

really have been worse than what they ran out there this year?

Screw you, you freakin stats nerd

by guayzimi on Nov 29, 2010 8:56 PM EST up reply actions  

and speaking of handegg...

what do you have to do to get suspended?

Screw you, you freakin stats nerd

by guayzimi on Nov 29, 2010 9:01 PM EST up reply actions  

haha

im happy with the result, but i love andre johnson so I’m biased… and cortland finnegan is a huge bitch and cheap shot artist (which I’m sure played into the decision)

by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 29, 2010 9:10 PM EST up reply actions  

i doubt it

Derek Anderson is the worst QB in the world – 53.7% CP this and a 53.1% CP for his career

by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 29, 2010 9:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Remember when he was good for one year? Yeah, me neither.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Nov 30, 2010 12:00 AM EST up reply actions  

suck it lambs fan

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Nov 29, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

haha

1st place…. that’s all that matters right now….

by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 29, 2010 11:11 PM EST up reply actions  

uh huh

keep telling yourself that. Why don’t they just blow that thing up, let us have bradford and watch us dominate?

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Nov 29, 2010 11:12 PM EST up reply actions  

umm...

well sure if we gave you bradford, you’d dominate… but that’s because you have some quarterback issues….

whereas the rams… do not…

by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 29, 2010 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha

Just watched 3 of my flatmates stumble home. 2 of them tottally off their respective faces. Uni kicks ass.

You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
Forsooth and Verily

by Aranathor on Nov 29, 2010 9:03 PM EST reply actions  

Anyone want to come over and help perfatape?

Free Beer!

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Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 29, 2010 9:11 PM EST reply actions  

If you pay for the flights

i am so there.

You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
Forsooth and Verily

by Aranathor on Nov 29, 2010 9:13 PM EST up reply actions  

while tempting...

not possible.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 29, 2010 9:17 PM EST up reply actions  

its only a few thousand dollars...

plus the price of the beers obviously.

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Forsooth and Verily

by Aranathor on Nov 29, 2010 9:19 PM EST up reply actions  

If I paid for your tickets,

I would only buy you piss water Bud Light.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 29, 2010 9:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Who knows this old joke (no googling!)

Why is drinking American beers like making love in a canoe?

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 29, 2010 11:36 PM EST up reply actions  

It's fucking close to water!

(thank you thank you)

Screw you, you freakin stats nerd

by guayzimi on Nov 29, 2010 11:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Bravo.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 29, 2010 11:58 PM EST up reply actions  

...

Ahem.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 29, 2010 11:41 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm down

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 29, 2010 10:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Dan is on my tv

doin’ a voiceover
claiming that We are Cardinal Nation.

he’s selling La Russa packs.
I wonder if Red knows they’re using him in the montage.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 29, 2010 9:43 PM EST reply actions  

what the

ctrl+f bartlett ding ding ding

he’s close to being moved according to MLBTR. i would like it if the cardinals is the team he’s being moved to. they say the rays are seeking MLB relief arms in return. we gots dat

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twatter

by prophetjohn on Nov 29, 2010 9:45 PM EST reply actions  

But...

Isn’t Bartlett about to get fairly expensive? He’s making $4M, and is entering the final year of arbitration.

by JWO on Nov 29, 2010 9:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Is Bartlett better than Theriot?

Q2: Is Bartlett better than Theriot plus whatever we buy with $5M?

Enter vivaelpujols
My great wit allows me to interject that by assuming the partakers of this conversation are inbedded and perhaps romantically entangled, rather than indeed, the truthful observation that they are both platonic and standing upright. Great comedy may be produced!! -Aranathor

by hazel on Nov 29, 2010 10:01 PM EST up reply actions  

depends on what we buy with $5M

if we get a bartlett or a theriot, we aren’t really left with any gaping holes

i guess we could get theriot and spend the $5MM on a backup catcher, but that’s the only spot left to upgrade once we get a MIF

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by prophetjohn on Nov 29, 2010 10:06 PM EST up reply actions  

you are assuming bartlett will play 2B?

we’d still have a black hole at 2B when TLR plays Bartlett instead of Boog….

by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 29, 2010 10:08 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm assuming bartlett will primarily all three infield positions

i don’t think there’s any chance someone is picked up as the every day 2B. best case scenario is who we get plays the felipe lopez role

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by prophetjohn on Nov 29, 2010 10:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Considering Bartlett's career at non-2B positions

amounts to 7 games in the minors and 1 inning in the majors, that is a big assumption.

Boog becomes the all glove / no hit super-sub.

Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork

by TBender on Nov 29, 2010 10:17 PM EST up reply actions  

EDIT: Non-SS positions...

Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork

by TBender on Nov 29, 2010 10:25 PM EST up reply actions  

that may also be the case

but i don’t think your point proves anything on a TLR team. how many games had descalso played at 3B in his MiLB career before TLR thrusted him into the position in his MLB debut?

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twatter

by prophetjohn on Nov 29, 2010 11:01 PM EST up reply actions  

47

45 in 2007, 2 in 2008

Plus the 9 games for St. Louis.

Or roughly 7 times more appearances than Bartlett.

Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork

by TBender on Nov 30, 2010 9:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Random Baseball Question

What would it take to get Reid Brignac from the Rays, and would they trade him? Seeking opinions…

by JWO on Nov 29, 2010 9:46 PM EST reply actions  

i think they're trying to move bartlett

so that brignac can take over for him

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by prophetjohn on Nov 29, 2010 9:48 PM EST up reply actions  

It would talk a lot

Bartlett is the old busted, Brignac is the new hotness.

by mojowo11 on Nov 30, 2010 1:11 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Well there goes my pipedream of a tulowitzki for Bryan Anderson trade

Rox about to sign TT to a 10 year extension, per mlbtraderumors.

10 years 160+ is being bandied about. What does that due for a potential Albert extension?

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

by VolsnCards5 on Nov 29, 2010 10:21 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

twitters blowing up over this, the Rocks are f'ing stupid

hell most GM’s this off season are

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 29, 2010 10:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Why would any team...

extend someone that’s already signed through 2014? And they’re not getting any kind of a discount for shelling out huge money so far in advance.

Screw you, you freakin stats nerd

by guayzimi on Nov 29, 2010 10:32 PM EST up reply actions  

really?

what’s $20M 10 years from? INFLATION!!!

I am the Batman .
@CodeeG

by CodyG on Nov 29, 2010 10:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Besides, the world ends in 2 years

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 29, 2010 11:39 PM EST up reply actions  

apocalypse clause

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 29, 2010 11:42 PM EST up reply actions  

the tulo deal picks up at the 2014 Option with a 6 year extension

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 29, 2010 10:53 PM EST reply actions  

so Tulowitzki from 2010-20 for 140 million not too bad

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 29, 2010 10:54 PM EST reply actions  

but they already have 4 years of control

we ahd to sign holliday through that age for him to play for us last season. no such condition exists with tulo

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by prophetjohn on Nov 29, 2010 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

right but if Tulo goes to free agency at 29 there is no way the rockies keep him

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 29, 2010 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly, and while it is a gamble, I like it from the Rockies perspective

So long as injury doesn’t dismantle him they’ve got him for less than it would have taken once his current deal ends, and once he gets close to Free Agency it would be hard to resist being the number 1 free agent of an offseason.

by infallibleopiniongenerator on Nov 30, 2010 2:42 AM EST up reply actions  

If Tulo had just signed a 10/159 FA deal would everyone be crapping

their pants? I doubt it, not when Mauer just signed a 23 million a year deal

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2010 2:53 AM EST up reply actions  

and it looks like we got De la Rosa back

this almost makes up for signing Gagnozzi

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 29, 2010 10:57 PM EST reply actions  

we?

you’re a rockies fan? the rockies signed pagnozzi?

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by prophetjohn on Nov 29, 2010 11:03 PM EST up reply actions  

yes on both fronts I was Cards fan before Denver had MLB

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by TomCat009 on Nov 29, 2010 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Why is everyone on purplerow so f*ckin...

dumb? They spent a gazillion dollars and added absolutely nothing to an 83 win team and they’re acting like they just won the WS.

Screw you, you freakin stats nerd

by guayzimi on Nov 29, 2010 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

that 83 win team just extended the franchise player, why wouldn't they be happy

the best SS in the league will now be here until he is one of the better 3B in MLB.

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 29, 2010 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

i don't see the point

he’s already signed through 2014. a lot can happen between now and then. history says it’s more likely to be something that reduces his value between 2015 and 2020

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by prophetjohn on Nov 29, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions  

They had him signed to a four year/$38 million contract...

I like that a lot more than 10/$160 million, especially when the team’s payroll hovers in the $70-90 million range.

Screw you, you freakin stats nerd

by guayzimi on Nov 29, 2010 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

They're basically signing him...

to a 6/120 for his age 30-35 seasons. If one accepts that he’s worth 6.5, 6, 6, 5.5, 5, 4.5 war for those six seasons (33.5 war) and that the going rate for wins in the late 20teens will be around $5 million, they are getting some value.

However, there are all kinds of risks – economy risk, salary deflation risk, injury risk, ineffectiveness risk – plus they have three more offseasons after this to negotiate with him. Considering his 2010 performance, I’m not sure I would have picked this particular offseason to extend.

Screw you, you freakin stats nerd

by guayzimi on Nov 29, 2010 11:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Buying high, yo

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 29, 2010 11:22 PM EST up reply actions  

maybe but if he is the hitter they think he is that is keeping the

face of the franchise at well below market. I don’t understand why this is getting the Ryan Howard treatment.

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 29, 2010 11:48 PM EST up reply actions  

No I'm fine with this contract

But there’s a possibility it becomes an albatross

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 29, 2010 11:52 PM EST up reply actions  

This is not nearly as bad as the Howard contract...

Tulo is actually a good player. Just seems odd to throw money at 2015-2020 in 2010.

Maybe they think Tulo is going to be the team’s first HOFer and that he’ll get a statue and give the organization some tradition and all that… and they want to make sure he’s a Rockie for life. Problem is he’s more likely to underperform than be an all-time great.

Screw you, you freakin stats nerd

by guayzimi on Nov 29, 2010 11:54 PM EST up reply actions  

You could be right but you could have said the same about

the Pujols contract when he signed it. Consider what the Dodgers will be paying the combination of Uribe and Furcal 19Million a year for the next two years through their age 33 and 36 seasons

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2010 1:32 AM EST up reply actions  

wow that was a terrible comparison

first, his deal was 7 years with a team option and he also signed the deal to avoid arbitration not 4 years before he had to sign it

not to mention previous to the deal Tulo had 18.4 fWAR in four seasons and Pujols had 22.3 fWAR in THREE seasons

Pujols was 24 and would be 31 at the end of the deal and Tulo is 26 and will be 36 at the end of the deal…

besides the fact that they both signed long-term extensions to stay with their team and their contracts are similar, these two signings are wayy different

by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 30, 2010 2:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Tulo was hurt for a year in 08

but I accept your point, would you have offered Albert an extension at 26 that payed him 16 million on average through his age 36 year?

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2010 2:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes,

but Tulo is not Albert.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 2:16 AM EST up reply actions  

true but Tulo is a power hitter entering his prime

at a premium defensive position, would you object to Hanley or Utley getting a contract extension at age 29 of 6/120?

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2010 2:21 AM EST up reply actions  

yes

mostly because he was worth over 7.0 fWAR per season and at 16 million, that is a hell of a bargain….

for Tulo, he was worth an average of over 4.0 fWAR (by the way, he had over 400 plate appearances in ’08 so his 0.9 WAR was not insignificant) which is worth the contract but could get bad if he declines faster than you would predict (and since he will be 36, this is possible)

by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 30, 2010 2:21 AM EST up reply actions  

right but his quad was torn, he gutted it out but he was

a shell of himself

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2010 2:22 AM EST up reply actions  

BEST SEASON IN THE HISTORY OF THE WARLD

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by prophetjohn on Nov 29, 2010 11:12 PM EST up reply actions  

you do realize that his 2.88 ERA is the best season in the 15 years of Rockies history

by like .75 points which was his record he set last year, it isn’t like they have a lot of dominant oerformers to compare it to

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by TomCat009 on Nov 29, 2010 11:19 PM EST up reply actions  

at the time,

he had like an 0.80 ERA or something and no one was willing to admit that he was benefiting from luck

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by prophetjohn on Nov 29, 2010 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

burnsauce.gif

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 29, 2010 11:25 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

It really should be green.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 29, 2010 11:48 PM EST up reply actions  

also, I watched all 10:25 of this.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 12:13 AM EST up reply actions  

?

I’m a Rox fan and uber-Ubaldo fan. I don’t know of anyone, Rockies fans included, who realistically believed he would continue to post those absurdly dominant numbers throughout the season.

"Beckett’s retired 19 batters through Six and a third innings, he’s having a phenomonal night…" --Tim McCarver

by kallawaykid on Nov 29, 2010 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

E-guayzimi

No, taken as a whole Rockies fans are not as informed as Cardinal fans. (Tall task for Rockies fans. Cardinal fans have 100+ years of history/success on their side.) But “fucking dumb” is a harsh description. And it’s not as if Cardinal nation doesn’t have its share of idiots. I’ve sat next to plenty of them at games. Aim your barb at Cubs fans. They truly deserve it.

"Beckett’s retired 19 batters through Six and a third innings, he’s having a phenomonal night…" --Tim McCarver

by kallawaykid on Nov 29, 2010 11:57 PM EST up reply actions  

To be fair

He only meant Rockies fans at PurpleRow

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 29, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions  

and just the ones posting about this extension...

there wasn’t one comment out of hundreds that didn’t LOVE LOVE LOVE this deal… and they’ve been suffocating under Helton’s deal, which is really similar. You’d think someone would connect the two.

Screw you, you freakin stats nerd

by guayzimi on Nov 30, 2010 12:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanx for the clarification.

Qualifiers make a difference. I will correct my scorecard.

"Beckett’s retired 19 batters through Six and a third innings, he’s having a phenomonal night…" --Tim McCarver

by kallawaykid on Nov 30, 2010 12:10 AM EST up reply actions  

the funny thing is

looking at fWAR, Helton’s deal may actually end up with positive marginal value over the life of the deal. He signed the extension in 2003, and has been worth 31.8 fWAR (31.7 rWAR) against just $118M in salary so far.

Even if they hadn’t adjusted the 2011 salary ($19.1M + $4.6M 2012 buyout) they’d still be up just a bit (+$1.6M). But they added cheap deals for 12-13 in the restructuring, which gives them a chance to come out way ahead if he produces anything at all in the next three years.

Of course, there’s opportunity cost, but the Rox pretty much nailed Helton’s future value in 2003.

by SleepyCA on Nov 30, 2010 12:25 AM EST up reply actions  

and his back injury in 05 derailed what was a sure shot HOF career

not that injuries don’t often happen but considering that the original Pujols extension could have had the same things said about it it surprises me about the backlash here

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by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2010 1:37 AM EST up reply actions  

backlash.......

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Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 1:39 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I love that episode

the argument seems to be “paying 20 million a year from 30-35 is a risk” which is of course true but so is letting the 29 year old face of the franchise hit free agency

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by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2010 1:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Pujols wasn't near as much of a risk as Tulo is

Pujols wasn’t under contract when we signed him unlike Tulo, he was also two years younger, much better, and the contract was technically three years shorter (can’t count option year cause if he flopped, we’re off the hook…)

by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 30, 2010 2:15 AM EST up reply actions  

True what about this next contract?

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by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2010 2:21 AM EST up reply actions  

i don't think i see your point

you act like Tulo will be consistently at 5.0+ WAR for the remainder of his contract by comparing him to Pujols….

also the fact that we signed a 24-year-old to an 8 year contract was incredible enough… i’m not sure we could have gotten him for more and quite frankly, if we did, there was a huge risk involved (hindsight is 20/20)

by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 30, 2010 2:24 AM EST up reply actions  

if Pujols signs for 8 years where are you on that?

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by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2010 2:25 AM EST up reply actions  

i would probably oppose it

because he would be close to 40… and probably with an AAV of over $25 million which would cripple the Cardinals in 2016 and beyond….

if he would accept like an 8 year, $20 million contract…. then I might be more accepting but there is no way in hell that is happening

by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 30, 2010 2:28 AM EST up reply actions  

you and Jeff Passan agree

about Tulo so congratulations on that
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AjVlmPXQG8GcqcJzj5MXVQERvLYF?slug=jp-tulowitzkiextension112910

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by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2010 2:33 AM EST up reply actions  

aww man...

you gotta go and make me look like an ass now don’t you?

disclaimer: me and Jeff Passan rarely agree on topics…

im legitimately bummed that we agree….

by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 30, 2010 2:34 AM EST up reply actions  

nope you are now firmly in the passan corner

defending the position that Tulo should have chased championships in a bigger market

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by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2010 2:37 AM EST up reply actions  

hey! i never stated what i thought about Tulo

i completely disagree… he said he could have gotten more money and more championships?

both are debatable since he’s getting $20 million after 2014… does he really think Tulo would get that much more cause I sure don’t….

that article was dumb and could have been so much better analzyed

by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 30, 2010 2:39 AM EST up reply actions  

of course that article was dumb, Passan wrote it

dumb is his best work, when he really digs deep

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by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2010 2:40 AM EST up reply actions  

AHEM.......

JEFF PASSAN IS AN ASSHAT.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 2:40 AM EST up reply actions  

and now stlcardsfan4 has to defend him

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by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2010 2:41 AM EST up reply actions  

i disagreed with what he said

somehow he managed to defend a solid point completely wrong.. i guess that’s passan for ya…

bad contract… for tulo… wait what fuck?

by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 30, 2010 2:43 AM EST up reply actions  

ive got a great "impossible" jpg that would be awesome here

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 30, 2010 2:43 AM EST up reply actions  

I DO NOT SUPPORT PASSAN

or that article…

but let’s see the jpg anyway cause it would be impossible for me to defend that article…

by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 30, 2010 2:45 AM EST up reply actions  

that's mean, you know my wings have been clipped

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 30, 2010 2:47 AM EST up reply actions  

bullshit.....you're a wuss.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 2:48 AM EST up reply actions  

i wouldn't say wussy

i wish you all knew me before 2002, i was a totally different person back then

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 30, 2010 2:50 AM EST up reply actions  

unsuprisingly

the top 3 google responses for ‘passan asshat’ are from VEB. I’m guessing the other 3 are vebbers posting at other sites.

by _pistol_ on Nov 30, 2010 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I've accepted 10 at this point.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 2:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Also

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Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 12:00 AM EST up reply actions  

A post that perhaps only Aranathor will care about...

My 5th grade boys are in the City/County soccer championships (post-season tourney).

I’m shitting a brick. It’s much less stressful to do this as an assistant, not that anything will really change.

FYI, your advice on playing my best player at striker has paid off. It’s allowed me to hide my worst players at right forward but not give up too much or get back on my heels.

I’m basically playing 10 on 11 in every game, because I have 4 guys who are really weak, but the rest of my guys are playing well enough that we’ve upset some teams.

by thepainguy on Nov 29, 2010 11:03 PM EST reply actions  

Oh, and I'm playing a 4-3-3

Which is effectively a 4-3-2 (my weak guys literally just stand around on the field) but we have enough threat up top that we get lots of breakways.

It also surprises people that we attack from the left, which most people can’t do.

by thepainguy on Nov 29, 2010 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I really like the 4-3-3, as well

The diamond defense is very effective, especially with groups that are not dominant (younger kids, etc.), and especially if you have a good sweeper and stoppper.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 29, 2010 11:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Pretty much everyone plays the defensive diamond in grade school

It causes less confusion and makes you stronger up the middle.

Of, and now I’m doubly concerned because I just found out that my starting outside right defender won’t be able to make Wednesday’s game because she doesn’t want him to stay up that late on a school night.

This may be his only chance to play in a city/county game, but noooooo…

Moms, man.

by thepainguy on Nov 30, 2010 12:33 AM EST up reply actions  

So where would you hide your weakest player (or 4)?

I’m hiding them at right forward.

Normally, I would hide them at left forward, but I am blessed with a lot of left feet and I’m hoping I will be able to surprise them by attacking from what is normally the weak side.

by thepainguy on Nov 30, 2010 12:35 AM EST up reply actions  

same strategy I use for picking up women...

get them drunk and hit em from the weak side.

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by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 12:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I take it black

Like my men

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 30, 2010 12:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Probably exactly what you're doing

also, I tend to wait until the game begins, assess which side my opponent’s attack is stronger, and then put a weaker player defending the other side.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2010 1:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Ya know what's funny?

Troy Tulowitzki’s amazing September – when he had like 15 home runs – he had a 190 wRC+ (park adjusted wOBA compared to league average).

by vivaelpujols on Nov 29, 2010 11:14 PM EST reply actions  

Please disregard half-comment

meant to compare to Pujols, but then I realized that he never had that high (but he’s had 189).

by vivaelpujols on Nov 29, 2010 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

HAHAHAHAHA

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by prophetjohn on Nov 29, 2010 11:15 PM EST up reply actions  

right and in 09 he had 4 straight monthes of 1000+ OPS but never mind

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 29, 2010 11:16 PM EST up reply actions  

OK late night VEB....

I have a full beer and an hour to kill……amuse me.

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by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 12:01 AM EST reply actions  

How do you feel about peacoats and gay Brits and pre-nups?

First separately and then all of them at once

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 30, 2010 12:03 AM EST up reply actions  

i'll have you know

i started the pea coat discussion on another message board that i frequent and the discussion was still going as of today and had gotten quite hostile at points.

controversial stuff

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by prophetjohn on Nov 30, 2010 12:07 AM EST up reply actions  

See, I don't mind peacoats per se

But if I got a peacoat, I’d have to upgrade the rest of my wardrobe because you can’t have a nice coat and shitty undergarments

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 30, 2010 12:11 AM EST up reply actions  

the whole mixed attire thing is kind of my thing

 i like to wear button up shirts with shorts and flip flops. that kind of thing

i’m still not sure how well i pull off the pea coat, though. i guess i’ll only have to worry about it 10 days or so a year

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by prophetjohn on Nov 30, 2010 12:27 AM EST up reply actions  

i'm new to knowing what it is

i had to look it up so that i could buy one

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by prophetjohn on Nov 30, 2010 12:37 AM EST up reply actions  

It's something wankers wear.

Or (worse yet) wannabe wankers. ;-)

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by kallawaykid on Nov 30, 2010 12:37 AM EST up reply actions  

what, no car repair?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2010 12:08 AM EST up reply actions  

So you're older and apparently more manly than me

What are 5 skills that I should know for the real world

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by mysterui on Nov 30, 2010 12:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Easy

1. How to use a skill saw.
2. Weld something.
3. Learn to cook. Well.
4. Kill something and eat it.
5. Grow something and eat it / smoke it.

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by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 12:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Well that's a solid 1/5 for me

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 30, 2010 12:09 AM EST up reply actions  

WHAT HAVE I DONE WITH MY LIFE

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 30, 2010 12:12 AM EST up reply actions  

seriously....

watch the Apocalypse PA show on history. What would you do if the power grid shut down.

Not to get all conspiracy theory or anything, but could you take care of yourself? Kind of some serious shit to think about.

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Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 12:15 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2010 12:37 AM EST up reply actions  

If the power grid shut down?

I dunno, I guess I’d have to leave my mom’s basement?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 30, 2010 12:18 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm some what serious......

But I guess when I think about this stuff, I’m glad I grew up where I did. I have a fighting chance against all you city folk when the Zombies show up.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 12:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Ever read "The Road"?

Good story, but a real downer. More than just a power grid fail in that. Mother Earth fail.

"Beckett’s retired 19 batters through Six and a third innings, he’s having a phenomonal night…" --Tim McCarver

by kallawaykid on Nov 30, 2010 12:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Honestly? I'd get a group of my closest friends who I can trust and set up a small community

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 30, 2010 12:26 AM EST up reply actions  

then you'd eat each other.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2010 12:38 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

in a related note, if you're not watching The Walking Dead

you’re missing out on the best new show on TV

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 30, 2010 1:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Downloading as we speak

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by mysterui on Nov 30, 2010 2:00 AM EST up reply actions  

you're welcome

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 30, 2010 2:09 AM EST up reply actions  

OH GOD HE JUST SHOT A LITTLE GIRL

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 30, 2010 2:38 AM EST up reply actions  

SHE'S A FREAKING ZOMBIE

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 30, 2010 2:44 AM EST up reply actions  

WHY ARE THEY ALL SO INACCURATE WITH GUNS

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 30, 2010 2:44 AM EST up reply actions  

OH GOD HE'S DOWN

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 30, 2010 2:46 AM EST up reply actions  

it's about to get really, really F'ED UP

and i don’t know why they can’t shoot because later you’ll see they all suddenly can

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 30, 2010 2:48 AM EST up reply actions  

WHERE IS EVERYBODY

ISNT THIS DUDE IN LOVE ACTUALLY

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 30, 2010 2:49 AM EST up reply actions  

OH MY GOD SHE WAS DEAD

AND HOW

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 30, 2010 2:50 AM EST up reply actions  

they still haven't answered where the F

everyone was at

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 30, 2010 2:51 AM EST up reply actions  

OH GOD THE ZOMBIES STILL MOVING

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 30, 2010 2:56 AM EST up reply actions  

I SHOULD PROBABLY NOT HAVE WATCHED THIS BEFORE BED

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 30, 2010 3:08 AM EST up reply actions  

naw, you'll be fine

it’s not even the worst episode. just remember, Zombies aren’t real dude

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 30, 2010 3:10 AM EST up reply actions  

so you've never been to NY, huh?

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Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 3:12 AM EST up reply actions  

no, there's zombies in NYC?

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 30, 2010 3:15 AM EST up reply actions  

pretty much.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 3:16 AM EST up reply actions  

wouldn't the crocks in the sewers eat them?

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 30, 2010 3:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Upbringing

Growing up in the country does have it’s advantages.

I learned everything on that list by 14. I will survive the zombie apocalypse.

by WizardofOz1982 on Nov 30, 2010 8:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Migrate to a spot that had power(?)

I don’t have a gun, tank, or a Stealth bomber, so I’d probably be screwed w/o power.

"Beckett’s retired 19 batters through Six and a third innings, he’s having a phenomonal night…" --Tim McCarver

by kallawaykid on Nov 30, 2010 12:21 AM EST up reply actions  

well, I only have one of those three myself.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 12:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Is it a tank? We have a tank in my hometown...

…at the armory. If only I knew how to get it moving, I’d be set!

"Beckett’s retired 19 batters through Six and a third innings, he’s having a phenomonal night…" --Tim McCarver

by kallawaykid on Nov 30, 2010 12:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Nope, I got the bomber.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
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Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 12:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Impressive.

We should hang out more. I have this one neighbor… Reeeeeally annoying. Perhaps you could take care of him for me. ;-)

"Beckett’s retired 19 batters through Six and a third innings, he’s having a phenomonal night…" --Tim McCarver

by kallawaykid on Nov 30, 2010 12:31 AM EST up reply actions  

i've done all of those things

except the cooking well part

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by prophetjohn on Nov 30, 2010 12:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Really?

Most of the stuff I cook is cooked well(done).
/rimshot

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2010 12:13 AM EST up reply actions  

6. How to use a spinning reel

Hint: The reel goes UNDER the rod, not over it.

I had 2 friends go charter fishing once and, when we got a fish on, not know how to hold the freakin’ rod.

They didn’t look too good.

by thepainguy on Nov 30, 2010 12:40 AM EST up reply actions  

FTFY...

6. How to use a spinning reel fly rod.

You can make a simple fly out of thread.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 12:42 AM EST up reply actions  

You and I are gonna go on a 3-month journey so that I can find myself

No homo

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by mysterui on Nov 30, 2010 12:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Graduate, come to MT for a summer.

I’ll hook you up.

No Aran.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 12:45 AM EST up reply actions  

No Brokeback?

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2010 2:02 AM EST up reply actions  

hey! you were going to help me rebuild my truck!

i can’t believe you’re cheating on me!

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 30, 2010 2:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Is your truck even in Ohio?

I’m not sure you have the inner constitution to restore a truck. You seem to give up too easily.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 2:03 AM EST up reply actions  

i will never give up on that truck

and no, it’s still in Arkansas, if my sis & bro in law go there for xmas i’m going to have them drive my truck down there & haul it back up here so i can at least start tearing it down

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by gdm426 on Nov 30, 2010 2:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Definitely impresses people, but maybe over the top

I bring one to our cub scout outings and it never fails to impress people that I know how to use one well.

Then people are impressed with how many fish I catch.1

1 My son and I once caught 57 fish (mostly bluegill but some greenies and some bass) in 2 hours on fly rods, and then I was hooked. I have something like 8 fly rods. One 3, one 4, a bunch of 5s and 6s, one 8, and one 10.

by thepainguy on Nov 30, 2010 12:48 AM EST up reply actions  

that last sentence means exactly nothing to me

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by prophetjohn on Nov 30, 2010 12:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Wweights of fly rods.

They are balanced for action, and fly line used. The higher the number, the larger the tackle used / fish caught are.

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by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 12:52 AM EST up reply actions  

sweet...I have four, all of which I wrapped myself.

4,5,6,8. If you ever want a custom, let me know. We can exchange services.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
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by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 12:51 AM EST up reply actions  

great...

now dig through your junk emails and tell me why I can tell my boys coach he’s on crack.

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by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 1:00 AM EST up reply actions  

The basic gist

is that they want them to start the swing with the elbow tucked, not raised. Their theory is that the elbow ends up tucked against the chest during the swing. My point is that it doesn’t give the swing a chance to load vs starting with the back elbow level with the shoulder as I had always been taught.

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by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 1:06 AM EST up reply actions  

...chest during the swing

Thus by starting it there, it shortens the swing.

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by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 1:06 AM EST up reply actions  

is what that was supposed to say.

I’m drunk, piece it together.

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by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 1:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Elbow down

Can increase quickness but at the cost of power, due to the loading thing you describe.

And AVG is tied to power, so a power problem can lead to other problems.

by thepainguy on Nov 30, 2010 1:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Wait

Can you elaborate on that second sentence? There might be some correlation between average and power, but I don’t think it’s much

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by mysterui on Nov 30, 2010 1:16 AM EST up reply actions  

The harder you hit ball, even on the ground

The harder it is for a player to make a play on it. It also increases the likelihood that a ball hit into the outfield will get through a gap and to the wall.

That was a key to Torres’ improvement; he simply tried to hit the ball harder, which led to improvements in his AVG and SLG.

by thepainguy on Nov 30, 2010 1:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah I don't know what I was thinking

I’m sick and working on a paper

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by mysterui on Nov 30, 2010 1:23 AM EST up reply actions  

All I know is, when I took him to the cage,

raised his elbow, he started crakning balls. With the elbow in, he slapped everything.

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by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 1:19 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not suprised

I don’t understand why a coach would fix something that isn’t broken.

by thepainguy on Nov 30, 2010 1:20 AM EST up reply actions  

he's not a "whispy" kid,

if you know what I mean. He’s a 13 yo Adam Dunn. That catches.

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by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 1:24 AM EST up reply actions  

He's unlikely to have a problem with bat drag...

…which is what lowering the back elbow can help, so I would keep his back elbow up as long as it’s working.

Also, if you lower the elbow, you can screw up a kid’s timing and cause him to hit the ball out front (because he’s faster to contact), which can lead to power problems.

by thepainguy on Nov 30, 2010 1:28 AM EST up reply actions  

I'll tell you what though.....

you ought to see the “best” player on the team…At twelve he threw 85 and hit at least three that I saw that were over 350’. Kid’s a natural and doesn’t even like to play.

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by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 1:32 AM EST up reply actions  

I had one kid like that

His swing was ruined (robbed of power) by an idiot coach, who also happens to be one of the top hitting guys in St. Louis.

by thepainguy on Nov 30, 2010 1:33 AM EST up reply actions  

he had more homers than singles.

Kid tears up a LL field.

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by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 1:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Parents don't have to have a reason to do that

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 30, 2010 1:06 AM EST up reply actions  

WHAT ARE THOSE RANDOM "1"S

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 30, 2010 12:51 AM EST up reply actions  

But they don't link to anything

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 30, 2010 12:54 AM EST up reply actions  

that's what you think.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2010 1:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I guess 2 each is a bunch?

Or you have more than 8.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2010 2:04 AM EST up reply actions  

3. Learn how to cook a steak

That’s all you really need to know, and it’s served me well.

by thepainguy on Nov 30, 2010 12:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh I do that twice a week

I’m good on that front

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 30, 2010 12:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes, I do.

On my steak as well.

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by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 12:46 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Best steak evar.....

kosher salt, cracked pepper, gran garlic, Worceschestershire sauce and rub in. Grill or broil at about 600^ for 2 minutes on each side.

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by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 12:47 AM EST up reply actions  

My favorite was discovered at random

It’s so good I wrote it down, but it’s a bummer that I can’t always find the spices.

Pepper herb
Tex Mex fiesta
Smokey mesquite

Discovered at random but it’s awesome.

P.S. I need to learn how to broil.

by thepainguy on Nov 30, 2010 12:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh god now I want steak

Is Ralph’s open?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 30, 2010 12:53 AM EST up reply actions  

you need a cast iron pan......

put it in the oven at the hottest setting for 20 minutes,

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by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 12:54 AM EST up reply actions  

e the steak is coated in EVOO,

throw in some butter. Put steak in pan, and more butter on steak…..cook for 2 minutes. flip steak, add more butter, cook for 2 minutes. Remove from pan, let rest for 5 min, perfect rare broiled steak.

Also, lots of smoke. It’s the price you pay.

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by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 12:57 AM EST up reply actions  

^ e is supposed to be "coat"

and also, switch the oven to broil and remove pan was omitted.

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by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 12:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Might want to try swapping out the EVOO for peanut or safflower oil.

Those should have a bit higher smoke point.

Too stupid and sissy-like to say that you want out.
You make the eyes of a million girls and think you'll make them shout.

by The Continental on Nov 30, 2010 1:06 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree, but when you're going that hot,

they’re all gonna smoke. It’s just lubrication at that point.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
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Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 1:08 AM EST up reply actions  

also:

i’m not saying it

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2010 1:09 AM EST up reply actions  

am I supposed to say 'oh snap'

i never get that right

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2010 1:09 AM EST up reply actions  

proper nomenclature is

BURN!!!!

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by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 1:10 AM EST up reply actions  

...sauce?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 30, 2010 1:10 AM EST up reply actions  

I was actually expecting a VEP / weed tie-in.

Too stupid and sissy-like to say that you want out.
You make the eyes of a million girls and think you'll make them shout.

by The Continental on Nov 30, 2010 1:10 AM EST up reply actions  

coffee, coco & bacon fat will make a steak that will put hair on your chest

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 30, 2010 2:05 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't even know how to answer this

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 30, 2010 12:46 AM EST up reply actions  

There are many but here goes

1. Develop your golf game, most of the truly powerful enjoy the game it is an excellent opportunity to interact with people you would otherwise never meet
2. Cultivate a taste for single malt scotch or whisky then except no substitutes.
3. Buy a set of tools, including a ratcheting end wrench set, a chalk box, a reciprocating saw, a 100ft tape, a framing hammer, an air compressor, a router, a cordless power tool kit, and a pipe wrench…then learn to use them
4. Invest 8% of your earnings yearly in something your personally chose
5. Restore something a car, a house, or even a piece of furniture the experience is irreplaceable

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by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2010 1:47 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

^ accept

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by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 1:49 AM EST up reply actions  

sorry I have been breaking my own advice drinking Monapolowa white russians

all night, that and of course homemade Kahlua make for a Lebowski night

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by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2010 1:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Home made Kahlua is wonderful

I hope it’s base is ever clear. I’m googling the Monapolowa part.

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by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 1:53 AM EST up reply actions  

ok......

Monapolowa is a Vodka. I’m not much of a vodka guy. Screw drivers before 8. That’s me.

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by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 1:54 AM EST up reply actions  

I like the potato vodka white russians not that their is huge difference

but at least mentally I feel I can taste it

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by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2010 1:58 AM EST up reply actions  

You use vanilla beans?

My wife always uses vanilla beans in her homemade Kahlua, it tastes wunderbar.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2010 2:12 AM EST up reply actions  

that part of the process I leave to my friend Don

who is a master i must say, my own attempts have fallen short of his but I’ll ask him when I see him next

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by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2010 2:16 AM EST up reply actions  

also,

all of these would be in my top 15.

I was shooting from the hip.

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by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 1:50 AM EST up reply actions  

I like this

I guess by default I’m already doing #4

But yeah, the rest of these are on my to-do list. I like whiskey, just don’t have the money to buy GOOD whiskey

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 30, 2010 1:51 AM EST up reply actions  

You're in college.

how are you earning anything? Oh, that’s right, you’re Asian.

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Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 1:55 AM EST up reply actions  

... No that was the joke. 8% of my earnings ARE going into investments because 8% of 0 is 0

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 30, 2010 1:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Also I have no idea what you meant by that

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 30, 2010 1:58 AM EST up reply actions  

...

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 1:59 AM EST up reply actions  

when you are old and fat like me you will understand the difference

between Whisky and Whiskey

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by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2010 1:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Middleton's

That is all.

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by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 1:59 AM EST up reply actions  

if you are buying a bottle with two d's on it

someone is making a rare profit off of you

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by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2010 2:05 AM EST up reply actions  

I've been drinking for 4 hours......

I’m sounding it out at this point.

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Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 2:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I say as long as most of the syllables are there they should serve you still

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by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2010 2:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Great story....

First time I had Midelton’s my friend and I are in a Schwaggy hotel in SLC….bartender is treating us like crap…..My buddy notices Midelton’s and say’s “I have to buy you one of these, it’s amazing.” Bartender rings it up, and voids it out twice, then looks up at us and says, it’s $30 a shot. My buddy calmly looks at him and says, “yes, I know.” Best go fuck yourself moment ever after the way the snobby bartender treated us.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
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Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 2:22 AM EST up reply actions  

was it the Marriot downtown?

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by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2010 2:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Grand America

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by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 2:25 AM EST up reply actions  

nice

I have stayed at the Magnolia there and enjoyed it, but remembered Marriot bartender was a dick

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by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2010 2:35 AM EST up reply actions  

You've definitely told this story before

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 30, 2010 2:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Not to Tom...

just you fucks.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
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Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 2:27 AM EST up reply actions  

...

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 2:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Aw c'mon =(

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 30, 2010 2:31 AM EST up reply actions  

isn't that a complement in your culture?

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 30, 2010 2:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Uh... reply fail?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 30, 2010 2:45 AM EST up reply actions  

no, read it again

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 30, 2010 2:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Nope still don't get it

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 30, 2010 2:52 AM EST up reply actions  

it's probably not as funny as i thought it was

still probably just as raciest though

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by gdm426 on Nov 30, 2010 2:55 AM EST up reply actions  

I can't relate anything said to my culture haha

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 30, 2010 2:58 AM EST up reply actions  

that is the thing about asians they

aren’t very good at racist jokes

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by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2010 3:01 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Yessssssss this is how it's done

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 30, 2010 3:02 AM EST up reply actions  

but they can pronounce it so well.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 3:03 AM EST up reply actions  

just don't let their women drive

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 30, 2010 3:03 AM EST up reply actions  

DWA is a serious disease.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 3:05 AM EST up reply actions  

say lacist out loud.

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Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 3:08 AM EST up reply actions  

sounds like an official postion

at the tatting club

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by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2010 3:09 AM EST up reply actions  

3.5 hours and 5 beers later,

Fuck me.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 3:23 AM EST up reply actions  

do i have to? because no offense, you're really not my first choice

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 30, 2010 3:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Got yellow fever?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 30, 2010 3:31 AM EST up reply actions  

I have to work in 5.5 hrs

else I may join you.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 3:32 AM EST up reply actions  

tiers...

god tier : Pre nups

Good tier : gay Brits

Bad tier : pea coats

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 12:05 AM EST reply actions  

and fail.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 12:05 AM EST up reply actions  

On a lighter note:

Did anyone else catch the “Future of Sports” panel discussion at Wash U tonight?

"Beckett’s retired 19 batters through Six and a third innings, he’s having a phenomonal night…" --Tim McCarver

by kallawaykid on Nov 30, 2010 12:11 AM EST reply actions  

Here's somewhat of a livetweet of it

http://twitter.com/#!/indakind

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by mysterui on Nov 30, 2010 12:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Erm

Link

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 30, 2010 12:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I was there. Wondered what others thought of it.

I was glad Bill James was there. He wasn’t the most lucid speaker, but I thought he was the most entertaining. He offered the most opposition to others’ opinions – mainly Costas. Which also added to the entertainment value.

"Beckett’s retired 19 batters through Six and a third innings, he’s having a phenomonal night…" --Tim McCarver

by kallawaykid on Nov 30, 2010 12:18 AM EST reply actions  

Bill James could use the reply button.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 12:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I'm no Bill James.

He also knows how to make the WNBA successful. And how to shorten MLB games to 90min.

"Beckett’s retired 19 batters through Six and a third innings, he’s having a phenomonal night…" --Tim McCarver

by kallawaykid on Nov 30, 2010 12:35 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm also a prick, so there's that.

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Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 12:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Derp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXHafOK75v0

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 30, 2010 12:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Billy Mays orders at McDonalds

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtYdDK1uTDI

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 30, 2010 12:23 AM EST up reply actions  

BEST YOUTUBE VIDEO OF ALL TIME

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nx4UEe98EkY

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 30, 2010 12:26 AM EST up reply actions  

That really wasn't that funny.

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Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 12:23 AM EST up reply actions  

So I'm writing a 6 page paper on a 1 page short story

…about Chinese literature

THIS IS THE WORST

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 30, 2010 12:31 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

That's like having a bunch of spoons

but needing a knife, and being to dumb to flip the spoon over to spread the butter.

/odd fact, spell check doesn’t have flip for an option for hlip.

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Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 12:34 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

HOLY FUCKING SHIT

that has never occured to me. i usually just spread the butter with the bottom of the spoon getting pretty poor results

quality of life: significantly improved

Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter

by prophetjohn on Nov 30, 2010 12:36 AM EST up reply actions   4 recs

Are you

What is this I don’t even

wat

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by mysterui on Nov 30, 2010 12:40 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

The fact that it was shouted out

as a revelation is what makes the comment.

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Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 12:44 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

seriously

this changes everything

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twatter

by prophetjohn on Nov 30, 2010 12:46 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

...I honestly have no idea what you mean by this

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by mysterui on Nov 30, 2010 12:36 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

That's what I was going for.

but PJ’s comment made it.

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Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 12:38 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

...

Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter

by prophetjohn on Nov 30, 2010 12:47 AM EST reply actions  

...

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Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 12:49 AM EST up reply actions  

i know i'm ten minutes early

but i’m about to go to bed early. being sick is kind of exhausting

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twatter

by prophetjohn on Nov 30, 2010 12:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Word, man

This is the first time I’ve been sick-ish in like 8 years

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by mysterui on Nov 30, 2010 12:52 AM EST up reply actions  

So I'm watching a show on the Remington 700 rifle

It has a problem with inadvertent firings.

When I was a kid (13ish), a 14YO accidentally shot his sister with what I believe was a similar gun (bolt action high powered rifle).

I wonder if this was related to that.

by thepainguy on Nov 30, 2010 1:17 AM EST reply actions  

I had a problem with inadvertent firings when I was 13 too

OH COME ON THAT WAS TOO EASY

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 30, 2010 1:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Your Girl friend told me last night, that you still had that problem.

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Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 1:23 AM EST up reply actions  

If it was a 700, yes.

Rem has been fixing the old models of the 700 for years for free. It’s not a flat out recall, but it’s a problem. From what I remember, it had a tendency to let off when ejecting a shell. Accurate fucking rifle though. Drawback, you might kill someone unintentionally.

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Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 1:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I have no idea what happened

I always assumed he pulled the trigger, but now I wonder.

Of course, who the hell keeps a round the chamber at home?

by thepainguy on Nov 30, 2010 1:23 AM EST up reply actions  

The accidents happen up here walking back to the truck.

It was never uncommon to walk in the field with a round in the chamber and the gun on safe. Getting back to the truck and ejecting a round is where I’ve heard about a lot of accidents happening.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 1:28 AM EST up reply actions  

I never jack a shell in untill something is in range

as long as you are slow and careful it shouldn’t be hard to avoid alerting an animal

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by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2010 1:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Pheasant hunt much?

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
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Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 1:56 AM EST up reply actions  

but I agree.

 You also have to admit that it’s common practice.

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by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 1:56 AM EST up reply actions  

true enough and with my Beretta AL3901 I have

been guilty of being cocked and locked on Pheasants at least, that is more a case of line of sight and knowing where the other hunters are. Obviously with my over/under there is no option

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by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2010 2:03 AM EST up reply actions  

with a .30-06?

What, are you a feather collector?

by SleepyCA on Nov 30, 2010 2:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, When we're pushing a thick of timber,

I guarantee I’ve had one jammed with my thumb on the safety. If you haven’t, I would postulate you haven’t been hunting.

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Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 2:06 AM EST up reply actions  

I hunt in Colorado where it is either 300+ yards or 15 feet

not a whole lot in between when I am brush popping I use a lever action or my Beretta 12ga were all it takes is a button push to jack one in, not judging just overly cautious.

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by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2010 2:09 AM EST up reply actions  

big difference between quickly jacking a lever or working a bolt.

If I was getting on to game, or even after dropping it, I had a live round in the chamber. That’s the only point I’m trying to make in this. Live round in chamber…go to unload gun ….gun go boom.

Bad things happen.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
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Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 2:14 AM EST up reply actions  

I remember the first day I had my SKS I put it back

together after cleaning all of the cosmoline off of it, and used a live round to check the action. It got jammed and I took it outside to try and work it loose and blew a 5 inch crater in my grass

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by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2010 2:19 AM EST up reply actions  

and also, no I don't use an 06 for birds, but I do for deer or elk.

  Theory is the same. I’ve been on many a stalk where I would load a round, put the gun on safe and stalk the game. Many times, you will finish a stalk with nothing happening, thus having to unload.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 2:11 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah, wasn't questioning the tactic

just thought the idea of hunting really small birds with a really big rifle was humorous.

Anyway, regardless, when you unload the weapon, it should be pointed somewhere safe, cuz shit happens.

by SleepyCA on Nov 30, 2010 2:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed, and probably one reason I've never killed anyone.

Yet.

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Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 2:23 AM EST up reply actions  

my brother shot a woodpecker at about 15 feet with a 30-06

on the wing… that will teach the little bastards to put holes in the hunting cabin

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by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2010 2:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I use a highly inaccurate pump pellet gun

to kill the damn flickers attacking my house and trees. Gawd, I hate those things.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2010 2:30 AM EST up reply actions  

all we foud of that one was a bloody wing

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by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2010 2:35 AM EST up reply actions  

found...damn

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2010 2:36 AM EST up reply actions  

or points a gun at his sister while ejecting a shell

unless the dude was in the basement and shot her through the floor, or something, but even that implies a darwin factor.

OTOH, Remington’s “”http://www.remington700.tv/#/remingtonsafety">official response" is hilarious, from a critical thinking perspective. The narrator for the first 2 minutes was probably drunk, and the response never really answered the allegation.

by SleepyCA on Nov 30, 2010 1:30 AM EST up reply actions  

because you asked, this is apropos

I can’t believe…

Embarrassed i didn’t think about this scene earlier.

by SleepyCA on Nov 30, 2010 3:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Apparently, I need to watch this.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 3:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Round in the chamber at home

I do.

There’s a round in the chamber of my 1911 and a full clip in the nightstand next to my bed. My 7 mag is usually loaded but not chambered. The .22 in the closet by the door is always loaded though not chambered. I don’t have any kids and my wife is as gun savvy or more than I am. We’re probably the exception to the rule.

I’d actually think we’re probably safer even with loaded guns in the house like we have them than most of the dumbass deer hunters we have around here.

by WizardofOz1982 on Nov 30, 2010 8:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Ah, so THAT explains Cheney.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2010 2:20 AM EST up reply actions  

my dad's only brother died at 14 in some sort of accident involving a deer rifle

I wonder what model it was?

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by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2010 1:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Mother of ass, my keg just ran out.

I’ve got another, but it’s not as good.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 1:29 AM EST reply actions  

Sam Adams WL

for the backup. I’ve got a bitter at the brewery I’ll pick up tomorrow.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 1:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Good stuff

Prefer Old Fezziwig though

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 30, 2010 1:38 AM EST up reply actions  

I keep one Sam ADAMS, The IPA from

my local brewery, and usually one other from them on tap at all times. My Bitter was ready to be picked up last week, and I just ran out of IPA. I don’t like to run out of IPA. That’s my Bud Light.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
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by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 1:41 AM EST up reply actions  

linki
 Give them clicks, since you can’t buy their beer.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 1:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Winter lager is my favorite sam adams

I can’t drink the fezziwig stuff. Just not into lambics.

The holiday porter is also pretty good, but you can never get it except as part of the “seasonal” thingy, which means you have to drink 3 lambics to get 3 holiday porters. Boo.

by SleepyCA on Nov 30, 2010 1:45 AM EST up reply actions  

ya, I always look forward to this time of year from them.

I love their Oktoberfest and WL, Spring is ok, and you can take or leave Summer afaic. I’m just glad that there’s some great locals to fill the gap. It’s $10 cheaper for a 1/6 barrel from the brewery vs. Sams.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 1:48 AM EST up reply actions  

WTF are there 200 new comments?

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 30, 2010 1:51 AM EST reply actions  

ahh, never mind, carry on

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 30, 2010 2:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Way OT:

why don’t we get this Ronald?!

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 30, 2010 2:24 AM EST reply actions  

I have an urge to purchase McNuggets.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 2:26 AM EST up reply actions  

because Japan is a country of horny freaks

not like American horny freaks mind you. those freaks are really freaking freaky.

also we had standards & practices that keep a lid on what is & what is not decent. f’ing lawyers

(IHB excluded of course)

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 30, 2010 2:47 AM EST up reply actions  

So does Larry Walker get 5% of the vote to stay on the HOF Ballot?

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 30, 2010 3:10 AM EST reply actions  

Probably not, but maybe.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 30, 2010 3:11 AM EST up reply actions  

hopefully

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by gdm426 on Nov 30, 2010 3:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I think he should be in...

Along with Alomar and Larkin.

Bob Feller is THE prime example of a cranky old man...working with him a 8:00 AM has to be one of the most dangerous jobs in America.

by mtzxc on Nov 30, 2010 4:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Scratch that.

I think he should be in…
Along with Alomar, Larkin Bagwell, and Blyleven

Bob Feller is THE prime example of a cranky old man...working with him a 8:00 AM has to be one of the most dangerous jobs in America.

by mtzxc on Nov 30, 2010 4:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Larkin

Do you think he’s unworthy or just not as worthy as Bagwell and Blyleven?

Larkin should be in the Hall of Fame regardless of who else is on the ballot this year. If there are 5 people worthy then I wish they’d just elect all 5. I get sick of playing the “We can only have 2 electees so we’ll wait till next year on player x” game.

For what it’s worth I’m not sure about Walker’s candidacy. Alomar, Larkin, Bagwell, and Blyleven all deserve it.

by WizardofOz1982 on Nov 30, 2010 8:56 AM EST up reply actions  

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