The Cardinals' Rule 5 Machinations
by DanUpBaby on Nov 22, 2010 6:01 AM EST
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None of the players left off the 40-man roster came as a particular shock, and I don't think we'll be seeing any of them plucked in the Rule 5 draft, which will be held December 9. Adam Ottavino was a few weeks away from shoulder surgery when last we met him, and had about as bad a Major League debut as you can have prior to the revelation about his shoulder. I'm not sure his upside is high enough or his risk low enough for a team to try to keep him around all season. Daryl Jones, the best prospect of the four, hit .244/.335/.361 in Springfield and is no longer young for his level; the breakout season is now two years old.
As for Nick Stavinoha, there must be some team for which he'd be an interesting hitter, but the more he struggles in increasingly lengthy Major League stints the more I'm convinced it might be in Japan. I can see him making another team at some point—John Gall did it, though he eventually ended up in Korea—but so long as he remains in Memphis he's behind too many better, similarly defensively challenged hitters.
Which brings us to better, differently defensively challenged hitter Steve Hill, who would make an interesting Rule 5 pick if only there were a team that valued the traditional backup catcher as little as I do. Hill is only kind of a catcher, and he doesn't have the minor league numbers to match his traditional comp, Todd Greene, but what does a team like the Baltimore Orioles gain from keeping Craig Tatum around, or the Washington Nationals Wil Nieves, instead of Hill, who has one skill that isn't "owns his own catching equipment"?
As Rule 5 catching prospects with bad gloves go he's no Chris Shelton, but I'm afraid even the PIttsburgh Pirates have gotten smarter since those halcyon days. If he gets taken, and the team who picks him realizes the average backup catcher looks, well, like Craig Tatum or Wil Nieves, he's the one I could imagine sticking.
As for the players the Cardinals added to the 40-man last week, Adron Chambers—who looks something like a finished product and has randomly started stealing bases as much as he was reputed to be able to in the Arizona Fall League—would definitely have stirred some interest from teams looking for a fifth outfielder who might someday become a fourth outfielder, as would Eduardo Sanchez and Adam Reifer, whose roster credentials were never in doubt.
Blake King's seems like a little too common a narrative for a team to bite—fastball/slider right-hander with serious control problems strikes out a metric ton of AA hitters and walks a regular ton—but as that narrative goes his strikeout rate was especially metric, and his walk rate's moving in the right direction, for what that's worth. That's right: The Cardinals find themselves with a surplus of right-handed minor league relievers, which means it's time to trade the best of them for Khalil Greene and Mark DeRosa.
I'm worried Tony Cruz, the most recent 40-man addition, might have the honor of being the next player to job Bryan Anderson for no reason. The Cardinals are convinced he's a catcher, he jumped all the way to Memphis, kind of, and he had a nice 40 games in Springfield after having a terrible 110 games there the year before. He's also been excellent in the AFL, hitting .342/.393/.500.
I hate that we can still play this game, but he's also four months older than Bryan Anderson, whose descent into snake-bitten prospectdom started the year after Tony Cruz was drafted. I'm under no illusions about Anderson, and I'm always happy to report that I was one of the first people to dump him from the top of my prospect lists—I think that was actually before I moved to VEB, which shows just how long the Anderson bandwagon has been emptying. But he's free, he's offense-oriented, he's got nothing left to do in Memphis except get jumped by additional Pagnozzi nephews, and he even offers Tony La Russa yet another platoon advantage to over-exploit.
The role of back-up catcher is so unimportant, relative to the other 24 spots on the active roster, that I'm beginning to feel like La Russa is using it as some kind of weirdly targeted psychological experiment designed to show me how unpredictable life is.
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Don Cruz and Freido Anderson
Anderson: YOU TAKE CARE OF ME?! I’M THE MORE SENIOR PROSPECT!
Cruz- That’s the way TLR wanted it.
Anderson: THAT AIN’T THE WAY I WANTED IT! I GOT STEPPED OVER!
Anderson is becoming such a tiresome topic that I wish they would just take him fishing- trade him or release him or something. Seriously… something… just make him stop being a Cards prospect anymore.
It’s starting to remind me of the Mike Dunne days. I think he was a prospect until he was 30.
They say sing while you slave but I just get bored
John Gall sucked badly in Korea
Gall came to Korea in 2006 and posted a putrid .243/.333/.299 line in 124 PA, then got released.
Actually, I talked about the possibility of Stavinoha’s coming to Korea with other Korean Cards fans on my blog. I thought he could succeed in Korea, while others didn’t agree with me. At least I think he’d outperform John Gall.
A Korean baseball team can put up to 2 foreign players on their roster. Those who come here are usually AAA veterans. I hope some Korean team signs Stavinoha to allow me to root for him here. I hated him, a well-below replacement level player, sitting on the Cardinals bench; but watching him playing in my country should be fun.
Cardinals fan from Korea
I'm glad you could weigh in on this
I tried to find Gall’s Korean numbers last night but no amount of English Googling brought them up.
Good comments and thanks for the information. I did a ten-spot in Korea and wrote a bit about Korean baseball for a now defunct magazine.
Do you attend many games? Do the fans still make noise the entire time? Still a ban on beer?
Kamsahamnida, anyongheegaysayeo
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
hey
I can’t attend many games, because I have little time to spare between works, family and blogging.
Fans are making more noise than before! Teams have been allowed to sell beer since 2003.
Cardinals fan from Korea
Thanks for the reply. I left Seoul in 1994 and moved to Japan, but the lack of beer somehow undercut the idea of "yagyu."
If you’re a fan of Asian baseball, Japanese spring training occurs on Okinawa. Some fun games on the cheap (by Japanese standards.) Sadly nothing in Thailand but a bunch of farang geezers searching for a field of (wet) dreams.
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
Wil nieves
Is legitimately one of my favorite MLB players. Best batting music ever.
by spencegrif on Nov 22, 2010 8:44 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Sooooo....St. Louis was named moost dangerous city in US, what's up with that?
:=8/
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:=8O
The numbers are flawed!!!!
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Single season dangerousness statistics are notoriously error-prone!
Enter vivaelpujols
My great wit allows me to interject that by assuming the partakers of this conversation are inbedded and perhaps romantically entangled, rather than indeed, the truthful observation that they are both platonic and standing upright. Great comedy may be produced!! -Aranathor
but it isn't just a single season
we were most dangerous back in 2007, like third in 2008, and again the most dangerous in 2009. That’s just a single season.
Besides, isn’t it 3 years worth of sample size that we can start trusting SDS?
If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck. It’s Aaron Miles.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
PETA would like a word.
There’s no reason to be mean to ducks…at least where Miles is concerned.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 22, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Ducks are nice.
:=8)
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:=8O
And can be tasty, with plum sauce.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 22, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
Plus, Chicago (among several other cities) wasn't even listed!
You know why? Because their “rape numbers were not available.”
So, it's like calculating WHIP without hits allowed?
Or something…
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
When you discover that a major indicator of dangerousness is not available for some cities,
shouldn’t you just not do the rankings?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Did you just compare hits allowed to rape?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Nov 22, 2010 6:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
we wouldn't do that on this kind of blog
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twatter
doesn't really matter what the FBI thinks
are if we are slightly above/below other cities if they re-arrange the numbers. There is a lot of violence in St. Louis. Can’t pretend there isn’t.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
There is a lot of violence in every city.
It’s just that those cities enjoy the benefit of being part of a larger county.
Plus, my second comment should help clarify for you why the FBI isn’t trusting of this particular survey group’s methods.
I've lived in
San Diego, LA, Austin, Pittsburgh, Alexandria LA, Naha Japan. St. Louis is a violence in other cities. It’s just not on the level that St. Louis is. If you want to say that chicago’s rape numbers may put Chicago ahead of St. Louis than whatever. It doesn’t matter if Chicago is slightly more violent. St. Louis is littered with crime.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
I'm not disagreeing with you that St. Louis has a crime problem.
I’m disagreeing that St. Louis is the MOST DANGEROUS CITY IN AMERICA.
Yeah, you're "feisty"
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 22, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
Which is a euphemism for
what? Obvious? Boring? Old?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 22, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
Nah, I was just referencing yesterday's thread
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 22, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
Well, it WAS forgettable
as most threads are, baseball-related or otherwise.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 22, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
Last 2 days have had the BEST THREADS EVAR
Don’t diss
You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
where am i supposed to put my thumb
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If you were really a VEB team player
you’d cut off your thumb and index finger. Just sayin’.
by BTown Birds fan on Nov 22, 2010 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
i think it's so difficult to quantify
that it’s silly to have strong feelings one way or another. st louis is easily among the most dangerous US cities and that’s what i take away from it
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twatter
well, you got david freese drivin' around
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by prophetjohn on Nov 22, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
these studies are so misleading and stupid
here ya go: St. Louis Murder Map. Avoid the pinpoints (aka North St. Louis) and St. Louis is perfectly safe for the most part. And by avoid, I mean don’t go there to buy drugs or engage in armed gang combat, since there’s not really any other reason to go there if you don’t live there (with Crown Candy Kitchen being an exception).
I don't see any pinpoints on this map, it just looks like a regular google map.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 22, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
Never mind, I didn't see the other link on that page.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 22, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
DANG!
not even just a little armed gang combat…?
by jealousblues on Nov 22, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
drugs, armed gang combat,
and getting lost trying to find I-70 on the way home from a game
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twatter
I had always heard that...
these were often goofy about St. Louis since our city and country are separate
but I dunno if thats part of it or not
by jealousblues on Nov 22, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
I'm in Richmond Virginia, which was the murder capital of America for
Some years in the 90s. The separate city jurisdiction (apart from the surrounding counties) is what always skewed our numbers.
Hay I'm Down Here in Mooport Moos!
:=8D
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
Fact in TLRs after game mood swings and the rating becomes more underestandable. . .
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
Whoops fact = factor
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
this is funny to me
certain parts may be dangerous but… its amazing how easy it is to avoid these places. I never go to North County and the downtown part of STL I go to is near the stadiums and very safe….
South County – the thought of that place being dangerous and coupled with the rest of St. Louis blows my mind, its gotta be the safest place I know….d
by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 22, 2010 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
Soooooo... I'm wondering how they figure this "most dangerous" thing... Geographically.
Because I know the City of St. Louis is very unusual – if not unique – in that the “City” of St. Louis is its own jurisdiction. Meaning it doesn’t include St. Louis County and the ‘burbs. So for example, if the City of Detroit is allowed to include its suburbs and the City of St. Louis is not, the numbers could skew out of favor for STL. I’m wonderin’! (To quote Neil Young.)
"Beckett’s retired 19 batters through Six and a third innings, he’s having a phenomonal night…" --Tim McCarver
by kallawaykid on Nov 22, 2010 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
Musings
Not to be confused with Musialings…happy 90th!
Why do the Cards have so many guys who get turned into 1st basemen. I think we all know that they have had that position under control for a while. The Cards like to draft 3rd basemen, turn them into 1st basemen and then realize they are blocked and turn them into bad outfielders. Their drafting and player development confuses me. It doesn’t take Marty Mason to question what is going on. (By the way, if anyone should have the right to criticize the farm system, Marty should have been the expert. They filled his bullpen full of guys from the farm system who lack a second pitch (Motte), control (Boggs), everything (Maclane), health (Ottavino)…just to name a few. Some live arms, but what were they learning in the minors? What was my point???
How about handin' me another helpin' of those mashed taters...thank you very much!
Marty, that you?
Motte and Boggs seem to be progressing just fine. Two guys who hit 98 and get people out works for me. Doesn’t have to be fancy.
With regard to drafting though, I think a lot of times (like with Wallace) you take the best hitter on the board. That becomes a guy with value other teams may want if you don’t have a spot for him. It’s a win-win if they hit.
Positionless sluggers sometimes work out pretty well,
considering that’s what Albert Pujols was when he was drafted.
Enter vivaelpujols
My great wit allows me to interject that by assuming the partakers of this conversation are inbedded and perhaps romantically entangled, rather than indeed, the truthful observation that they are both platonic and standing upright. Great comedy may be produced!! -Aranathor
I am Not the Walrus Anymoore....
koo koo kachoo…
:=8(
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
That happens a lot in udder clubs too....
…take a kid who played 3rd in HS or college, and he fills out,becomes lumbersome, then gets stuck at first (and subsequently mooved to the OF if he has a good bat so we can use him).
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
i think with baseball
these guys take a long time to get to the bigs
and you never really know what is going to be happening on your team when they do
os you just get the best guy out there
by jealousblues on Nov 22, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
the Arizona Fall League is over
and after an absolutely terrible start, Zach Cox’s final line of .262 .333 .446 suits me just fine. He really picked it up in the power department and looked like someone who deserved to be playing in the AFL. I’ve been waffling back and forth on whether or not Cox should start in A+ or in AA but this puts it over the edge for me. I think Cox should start at Springfield.
Fire John Mozeliak
Springfield Springfieeeeeld....
…its a hellova town!
;=8)
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
The two obvious areas of need for this team continue to be lefty relief and second base. Also, the Cards have never been shy about just taking players for value (Barton).
Jeremy Horst is a Reds lefty in AAA who posted a somewhat lucky 2.51 ERA in 2010. We need a LOOGY, and I’d like to see us stick it to the Reds.
Enter vivaelpujols
My great wit allows me to interject that by assuming the partakers of this conversation are inbedded and perhaps romantically entangled, rather than indeed, the truthful observation that they are both platonic and standing upright. Great comedy may be produced!! -Aranathor
Sticking it to the Reds...
….always one of my favorite options. Especially after last season. Yeah, I’m looking at you, Cueto.
by cardsgirl95 on Nov 22, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
If we got him...
…he’d be a Horst of a different color…
;=8)
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Nov 22, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You really out-did yourself there, Cow.
That was just bad.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 22, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
Good grief! It's a running gag!
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 22, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
Nahhh, We're Just Horsting Around...
;=8)
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
Some people just need to stop
putting the cart before the Horst. ;)
Stupid offseason.
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Nov 22, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
R u flogging a dead Horst?
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
you shouldn't look a gift horst in the mouth
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twatter
Bad Horse Bad Horse!
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
The Thoroughbred of Sin?
Or did you mean Gandhi?
Too stupid and sissy-like to say that you want out.
You make the eyes of a million girls and think you'll make them shout.
by The Continental on Nov 22, 2010 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
actually both clubs wear red;-)
(unless their minors dont!)
by jealousblues on Nov 22, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
Other Options (copypasta)
Wilkins Arias, New York Yankees
Arias has worked at the AA level the last two years, combining for a 3.88 ERA in 137 innings, with a 10.0 K/9 and a 4.1 BB/9. His fastball sits in the low-to-mid 90s, topping out at 95. He’s more of a LOOGY option if he can make the jump to the majors, although his control is a concern.
Kasey Kiker, Texas Rangers
Kiker was the sixth best prospect in the Texas Rangers system heading in to the 2010 season, but was limited to 40 innings at the AA level due to poor performance. Kiker had a 7.65 ERA, with a 42:46 K/BB ratio. He’s rebounded in Winter Ball, with a 2.33 ERA in 19.1 innings, and an 18:8 K/BB ratio. Kiker used to throw 95-96 MPH, but fell to 90-93 MPH in 2009, and was around the high-80s at the end of the 2009 season. Kiker is a bounce back candidate, and at 22, there’s a chance he could regain the form that made him a top prospect, although he would be hard to protect as a Rule 5 guy, especially with no time above the AA level.
Man we're really scraping the bottom of the barrel if we are springing for Kiker.
He walked 10 men per 9 IP in 2010.
Enter vivaelpujols
My great wit allows me to interject that by assuming the partakers of this conversation are inbedded and perhaps romantically entangled, rather than indeed, the truthful observation that they are both platonic and standing upright. Great comedy may be produced!! -Aranathor
They do not have good baseball names: pass
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
the Cards have already used a Kicker in the BP
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
Most Valuable Pujols?
Fire John Mozeliak
by purple_haze on Nov 22, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd give it to Wilfredo, but the whole manslaughter thing...
Fire John Mozeliak
by purple_haze on Nov 22, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
Which will induce Much Vomiting (Projectile)
Too stupid and sissy-like to say that you want out.
You make the eyes of a million girls and think you'll make them shout.
by The Continental on Nov 22, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Manly-est Vegetable Producer
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Most Verifiable Protagonist?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 22, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
i don't think you understand the rules of this game, gdm
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twatter
aw, and i was having such a good day
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
it's okay
i wish you luck in your new job assuming it doesn’t involve falsely expanding acronyms
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twatter
there's three weeks of computer training so i'm sure there will be some acronyms
i’m kind of worried about picking up all their programs because i just haven’t taken any computer classes since 96, but they said if i can surf the web i should be OK.
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
by gdm426 on Nov 22, 2010 10:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
heh......
well qualified.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
some might even say over qualified
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
MVP isn't an acronym
unless you pronounce it “ummvupp”.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 25, 2010 8:29 AM EST up reply actions
Are you kidding me?
It’s 74 in STL right now, while I sit here with a high of 5 today, and -1 tomorrow. Sometimes, I hate MT.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
yeah, it's gonna be 80 here
i happened to see the forecast for columbia when i check ed the weather here for today and was a little surprised. i would like if i don’t have to deal with ass-coldness this week when i’m around missouri
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by prophetjohn on Nov 22, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
dude, I rode my bike to work all bundled up for mid to late fall riding
big mistake
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
over did it or under did it?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 22, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
it's hot in chicago
wearing layers and biking = bad
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but when you're biking with the wind
you can spread your coat to act like a sail.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 22, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
better yet,
a cape.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
sometimes when my coat is unbuttoned it flutters about like one
sometimes the zipper attacks rear view mirrors, on it’s own
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
Either your bike is inside other people's cars
or you meant side view mirrors?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 22, 2010 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, side view
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
it's been alomst 70 up here yesterday & today
it’d be perfect if it wasn’t so damn windy. i nearly got blown off the road
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
gotta love the fact it's 74 today
yet going to be 43 on thursday for the holiday. happens EVERY. SINGLE. YEAR.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 22, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
oh yeah, I'm sure once we're on the road there will be icy rain or some shit
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
i'm not going to be that angry when votto gets the award in 40 minutes
HOWEVER, if pujols receives anything less than a second place vote from ANYONE, it’s a joke. i already know of one person who has him third, which is just unspeakably dumb.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 22, 2010 1:21 PM EST reply actions
ELIMINATE
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
My ballot:
1. Votto
2. Tulo
3. Halladay
4. Pujols
5. C. Gonzalez
6. Zimmerman
7. A. Gonzalez
8. Holliday
9. McCann
10. Weeks
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
tulo? really?
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
OT: DG has on facebook a a question about what would be the greatest living line-up position by position.
What do the great minds of the VEB say?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 22, 2010 1:41 PM EST reply actions
Still active or retired too?
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
Off the top of my head and
eliminating the obvious PEDS users.
C- Bench
1b-Pujols
2b-Morgan
ss-Ripken
3b-Schmidt
of-Aaron
0f-Mays
of-Musial
P-Ryan(?)
Pretty solid.
I might put Pete Rose, Sr. instead of Hank.
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
by PeteyHendrix on Nov 22, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
he would ertainly be the super-sub
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
certainly..wow i hate windows 7
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
isn't Vista worse?
I’m thinking about buying a cheapass computer on black friday, since I have Vista and it apparently doesn’t defrag my hard drive properly. I’ve heard Windows 7 is better, but is it?
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
probably but it+ the sensor pad on my laptop make VEB jump all over
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
yeah, I think I'm going to get it
I think I need two computers, one ain’t cuttin it
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
there are some great deals on Black Friday
I got this one for 350 bucks last year
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
I'd also pitch Bob Gibson or Sandy Koufax over Ryan any day of the week.
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
by PeteyHendrix on Nov 22, 2010 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
For one game or one season
so would I. On that basis I considered both and nearly wrote in Koufax. Ryan’s longevity of excellence got my final vote.
I don’t get the consideration of Rose over The Hammer.Pete wouldn’t even be my outfield reserve. For leadoff type, cry baby, egocentric outfielders I’ll take Rickey over Pete. Pete Jr. could be my batboy though.
Here it is:
C Bench
1b Votto
2b Morgan
3b Schmidt
SS ARod
LF Bonds
CF Mays
RF Griffey (is this allowed?)
P Clemens
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
Musial?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
we're only supposed to pick people who are currently alive...
what else could I mean??
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
No, definitely alive.
Now Joe Morgan’s broadcasting career….
Bob Feller is THE prime example of a cranky old man...working with him a 8:00 AM has to be one of the most dangerous jobs in America.
how could you think musial is dead
he had a huge thing all around cardinal nation for his 90th birthday which was, like, yesterday
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
seriously this blows my mind
it’s stan f. musial
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
I figured guaz was just looking for a reaction,
and thus I ignored it.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Nov 22, 2010 8:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I swear I thought he died...
I mean, if he played in the 40s and went to WWII that would put him at 90 or 100… I honestly just breeze over all the old timer stuff.
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
you mean
you didn’t hear about stand for stan?
if you don’t like to read, theres plenty of pictures.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
i generally do, too
but it’s been really difficult to avoid all the talk about musial since the end of the season. even a little before
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
by prophetjohn on Nov 22, 2010 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
I've been travelling a bunch and not reading...
about the Cardinals since they tanked…
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
Musial fact #91
He could bat over .300 from beyond the grave (where he hopefully won’t be for many years!).
by BTown Birds fan on Nov 22, 2010 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
more like
C Votto
1b Votto
2b Votto
3b Votto
SS Votto
LF Votto
CF Votto
RF Votto(is this allowed?)
P Hoss
BLASPHEMY!
2b: Morgan
3b: Morgan
LF: Morgan
Television Personalities: Morgan & Morgan.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
This lineup appears to have come from Dante's Inferno Ringers. . . .
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
Today is Jimmy Votto's day...
tomorrow the mang can go back to being numero uno.
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
C Dylan
1b Dylan
2b Dylan
3b Dylan
SS Dylan
LF Dylan
CF Dylan
RF Dylan(is this allowed?)
P Dylan
Enter vivaelpujols
My great wit allows me to interject that by assuming the partakers of this conversation are inbedded and perhaps romantically entangled, rather than indeed, the truthful observation that they are both platonic and standing upright. Great comedy may be produced!! -Aranathor
Justification:
Because he spits hot fire.
"When I gave up a grand slam to Pete LaCock," Bob Gibson said later, "I knew it was time to quit."
by The Classical on Nov 22, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
more like this
C Cazana
1B Cazana
2B Cazana
3B Cazana
SS Cazana
LF Cazana
CF Cazana
RF Cazana
P Cazana
Amaury Cazana for RF in 2011 - the legend will never die!
by avs18fan on Nov 22, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I need to be buying gifts for *others* this time of the year...
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Holliday finished 12th, waino finishes 19th
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
fuck you sbn
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Are you saying I should buy them M&N jerseys?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
31 of 32 first place votes.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
i heard that too!!! are u fucking kidding me?!
Who in the hell has a vote in the MVP ballot and thinks Pujols was the 6th best player in the NL this year? Not to mention it seemed like a lot closer race, how did Votto get all but one first place vote?
by mick311 on Nov 22, 2010 2:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
the only reason i can think of is because the cards didn't make the playoffs.
if you feel that’s important for an MVP, fine, but i really think that guy is overdoing it.
Kyle Lohse has a No-Trade Clause.
Then Andre Dawson needs to give back an award.
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
that's what I want to know
let’s engage 4chan tactics to uncover this person’s identity and humiliate/harass him until he quits his job and is forever exiled from the baseball community
/not really. But sometimes it seems like that’s what they deserve.
there's that...
but also someone voted Ryan Howard ahead of Pujols too…
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
brian wilson almost was
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
To be fair, that's not that egregious
Huff WAR: 5.7
HolliWAR: 6.9
And if you’re the sort of person who takes defensive stats with a pinch of salt, they hit pretty similarly and Huff played for a more successful team.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 25, 2010 8:39 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Holliday's defense was exactly at his career average
Huff’s was well above. The gap is even wider than WAR says it is.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 25, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I have no problem with Votto winning
but stuff like this isn’t cool.
I’d like to hear the logic of it.
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
Ok...yet Werth and Halladay were apparently more valuable to the rest of the voters.
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
well...
- Pujols only had 10 more RBIs while playing 16 more games.
- Howard had five times as many triples
- Pujols was caught stealing four times as often
- Howard lost 30 pounds in an effort to improve himself, while Pujols didn’t do anything significant during the offseason
- Howard accepted the Phillies extension offer right away and thus eliminated distractions to the team
- Howard excelled having grown up in The Most Dangerous City in America, while Pujols grew up in a hammock in a tropical paradise
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
Really?
I grew up in St. Louis County and never encountered anyone like Ryan Howard….
/frontenacbornandbred
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
you live in wildwood?!
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 22, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
lolz
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 22, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
i know i know
sadly, at least one of them probably is the right rationale
Kyle Lohse has a No-Trade Clause.
Yeah...
no problem with Votto winning this year. That’s fine. But, come on! 31 1st place votes seems illogical. And then some of the ballots…
It’s like the voters get together and decide “let’s find a way to make this year’s vote seem silly.”
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Yet only 3 years younger than Albert.
Bob Feller is THE prime example of a cranky old man...working with him a 8:00 AM has to be one of the most dangerous jobs in America.
Hank Aaron only won a single MVP
and he was pretty much better than anyone else all the time.
Fire John Mozeliak
I think Hank was consistantly one of the top 3 players in baseball for a long time.
But I think he was rarely the best in a given year.
"Don't turn off the TV if we've still got bats in our hands." - Dusty Baker
by PeteyHendrix on Nov 22, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
RYAN FUCKING HOWARD GOT A SECOND PLACE VOTE
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 22, 2010 2:18 PM EST reply actions
since they're all writers
don’t they all come out with articles explaining their rationale?
Kyle Lohse has a No-Trade Clause.
my thoughts exactly
should be entertaining. FJM can charge their name to fire that guy.
Kyle Lohse has a No-Trade Clause.
I did the retro feel of the BBWAA's website though
Reminds me of when I had to make website for my computer class in high school.
My friend and I decided that he must've gotten that vote for a different MVP award
So far our best guesses are the Most Vile Paycheck award, the Most Vacuous Power award, and the Most Voluptuous Paunch award. He seems more qualified for those.
(Fielder won the Most Voluptuous Paunch award, obviously. The vote was unanimous.)
pujols also got a sixth place vote.
what a joke.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 22, 2010 2:25 PM EST reply actions
I guess he needs to hit over 50 home runs or people will just go ho hum
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
I can't really get mad about this one
votto had the best season of his career, pujols had the third or fourth-worst. pujols should have gotten more first-place votes, but this absolutely isn’t as bad as 2006.
not even close
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
you're right it's not as bad
but as someone who lives out here it’s infuriating because nobody cares. seriously this might make one newscast at 11 & might get a small story in the paper. no one cares about baseball or the reds & i guarantee you no one can even pick Votto our of a lineup. Votto had a great year, but with park adjustments Albert’s was better. when you add the fact only Joe F’ing Strauss voted Albert #1, it’s clear Votto won because the reds made the playoffs & the Cards didn’t, Albert shouldn’t be punished because Votto’s teammates played better than Albert’s.
i can’t help but be upset. am i as mad as 08? no because Votto actually was very good. it still sucks.
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
eh...
I think it’s ok to consider team performance. It’s one of these irrational quirks of baseball that’s kind of endearing.
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
then they should call it the Most Valuable Team award
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
this
Votto had a very good season, and his team had a very good season.
Albert kept the Cardinals in contention for most of the season.
Without him, do they fight for 1st as long as they did? I’m not sure what else “Most Valuable Player” is supposed to mean.
Amaury Cazana for RF in 2011 - the legend will never die!
Albert got it last year, you have to kind of up the ante to win it two years in a row
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
He got it in 2008 as well
So that would have been three in a row.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
when i think about it, what really upsets me about this is how many times
he’s finished 2nd to Bonds. every freaking writer knew Bonds numbers were PED inflated, yet they still voted for him over Albert. and now they trip over themselves trying to destroy all of Bonds late career numbers. it’s total & complete bullshit. most of the writers are idiots & you can almost never trust their judgement.
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Yeah, the duplicitous moral gate-keeping by the writers is damn annoying.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
oh shit, thanks
forgot about that
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
The lesson is: Albert Pujols is amazingly good at baseball.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
some might even say he's the GOAT
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Really?
I don’t think I buy this argument – Albert has ridiculous standards anyway, so to up the ante, he has to be even more ridiculous? When does it end?
So, in addition to the moral gate-keeping (below), now it has to be fair and equal, so it gets spread around? In addition to penalizing him for his team’s lack of quality play, now he’s penalized because, compared to his performance last year, he simply wasn’t quite as ridiculously good?
It’s the Most Valuable Player – while we can argue about what that means exactly, I think everyone can agree that it has to be based on a comparison of all other players in their respective leagues during the 2010 season only.
Amaury Cazana for RF in 2011 - the legend will never die!
I assumed Chitown was just talking from the point of view of the award voters
In other words, they get tired of voting for the same guy. They’re sports writers, so they like good stories.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
this
I’m sure there are some honorable writers that would be completely objective in voting… but I’m not betting there are a lot of them. It’s like anyone voting for anything really, if you tire of voting for the same person all the time, you will switch it up. plus another thing Albert had going against him is that for him, it wasn’t that amazing a season (despite leading the league in home runs and scoring a ton of runs while playing amazing defense). while I would of course like to have seen Albert win it again, I’m not really letting Votto win it one year when his team goes to the playoffs harsh my mellow too much.
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
without votto
Do the Reds win the Division?
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
With the way most of the Cards collapsed?
I think so.
by WizardofOz1982 on Nov 23, 2010 8:54 AM EST up reply actions
Lol wut
Enter vivaelpujols
My great wit allows me to interject that by assuming the partakers of this conversation are inbedded and perhaps romantically entangled, rather than indeed, the truthful observation that they are both platonic and standing upright. Great comedy may be produced!! -Aranathor
Collapsed
Did you somehow miss the horrible seasons put up by Skip Schumaker (both on offense and defense), Brendan Ryan (who looked like he was trying to hit with a wiffle ball bat), Yadier Molina (offenseive side again), David Freese’s amazing breakaway ankles, and members of the pitching staff not named Wainwright, Carpenter, or Garcia?
by WizardofOz1982 on Nov 23, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
Have you ever seen BOOG play whiffle ball?
Dude has skillz.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Yes I have
I’ve seen the Boog and Bombs Wiffle Ball special and indeed does have mad skillz. His Wiffle Ball MLE didn’t translate well to hitting major league pitching though this past season.
by WizardofOz1982 on Nov 24, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
Without Votto the Reds aren't much more than a .500 team
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 25, 2010 8:45 AM EST up reply actions
Votto hit better than Albert, and was ever-so-slightly more valuable by WAR
I don’t know how anyone can get angry about Votto winning it this year. He was legitimately the best player in the NL.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 25, 2010 8:44 AM EST up reply actions
rWAR has Pujols well ahead of Votto
People could be angry about this vote because A) Pujols and Votto were virtually identical by the park adjusted value stats (fWAR and rWAR), B) Votto had a .360 BABIP and Pujols had a .297 BABIP, C) Pujols’ defensive stats were well below his career average, D) only the performance of the player should matter in MVP voting, not the team.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 25, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
I always thought that MVP meant most valuable to his team
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 26, 2010 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
god 2006 was just awful
i went back and looked at that. worst mistake i’ve made all day.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 22, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
2006 was a billion times worse than this year
Votto and Pujols had pretty much equivalent years. I’m OK with Votto winning. The details of the voting are kind of annoying. 2006 was plain robbery though. That one still stings.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
i still can't get over Rollin winning it in 07 either
talk about an abomination
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Yup. That was looney toons.
Two years in a row they gave it to undeserving Phillies. Meanwhile Chase Utley is sitting there, thinking “does anybody even know who the hell I am?”
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Adron Chambers just has one of those successful baseball player names
thought the same about Joe Mather though
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 2:50 PM EST reply actions
I often think this about certain players
Adron Chambers just sounds like a kind of guy I could be talking about on a regular basis on these threads.
Fire John Mozeliak
Joe Mather sounds like some awesome college athlete from the 1950's.
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
the name sounds like the name of a best best friend a guy could ever have
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
the name sounds like the name of a best best friend a guy could ever have
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
by gdm426 on Nov 22, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Wherein mysterui posts more about the Beatles
Today: Favorite Beatles covers!
Tom Petty and Price – While My Guitar Gently Weeps. Holy. Shit. At. Prince.
Fiona Apple – Across the Universe. Haunting.
Sara Bareilles – Oh Darling
Oasis - I Am The Walrus. They do great Beatles covers in general… I’m not going to post them all, but I like what they did with Help!
Dave Matthews – In My Life
Adam Levine – If I Fell
Stereophonics – Don’t Let Me Down
The Vines – I’m Only Sleeping
Also, No Doubt should shoot themselves for their abysmal cover of “Ob La Di”
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
you forgot Boyz II Men's "Yesterday"
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
I thought this was a joke post
But I actually really like it
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
i actually really like it too
despite the fact that boyz II men is usually ridiculous.
but considering how many covers of yesterday there have been, i like the acapella version as being something really different
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
it's soooo harrrrdddddd, to say goooooodbyeee, to yessssterrrrdaaaaayyyyyyyyy
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Prince is musical dynamo.
A genius.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
YA......I watched that last week.....
Prince just kills it.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
HFS Prince
Why should I know who is the guy on Petty’s right?
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
I know George Harrison's son is somewhere on stage
That might be him…
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I lied. It's Jeff Lyne, lead of ELO
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Love the Wilbury's......
they needed to do more.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
WHY HAVE I NOT HEARD OF THIS BEFORE
Ughhhhhhh I was born too late
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
You've never heard the Wilbury's?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Start
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
What a great way to start a band:
Starting at a meal between Roy Orbison, George Harrison and Jeff Lynne, the group came together at Bob Dylan’s home studio in Malibu, California, to record an additional track as a B-side for the single release of Harrison’s “This Is Love”. Tom Petty’s involvement came by chance, as Harrison had left his guitar at Petty’s house and Petty came back with Harrison.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
A wee bit of talent there that just happened to get together...
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
this subthread
has started a Wilburys listening binge. I sincerely thank you.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
yep
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
huh?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Not really!
Sure, Roy’s great. A legend. But don’t discredit the rest of the Wilburys. All were great songwriters, except (arguably) Lynne, who’s more skilled as a producer.
"Beckett’s retired 19 batters through Six and a third innings, he’s having a phenomonal night…" --Tim McCarver
by kallawaykid on Nov 22, 2010 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
Ha. Good info, RiverRat.
Didn’t know that. Wish more bands would form so naturally. Many of the best ones do.
"Beckett’s retired 19 batters through Six and a third innings, he’s having a phenomonal night…" --Tim McCarver
by kallawaykid on Nov 22, 2010 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
cody?
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
Danny?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Wendel?
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
Aloisius?
is that you?
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
i need to learn how to play the guitar asap
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
I thought you were going to be the drummer
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, but i still want to learn how
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
I think there are actually ways to use a real guitar on rock band or guitar hero now
that should be a good way of learning
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
i'll have to check it out
i was in a pawn shop today & they had really cool looking ones for like $50 bucks. the liked like the ones Metallica & Guns N Roses played back in the day
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
my first guitar deal was a Saga Gladiator guitar, a small Gorilla amp, and a really nice hard case that I still have to this day
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
paid my friend $75 for all that lol
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
sounds like a good deal & looks a lot like what i saw today
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
the guitar kinda sucks, but it had the pawn shop level of guitar perk
so that the switch was muted in the middle, and you could do a manual tremolo effect
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
you lost me after the guitar kinds sucks part, haha
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
just switch it back and forth fast, mutes the sound
the pickup selector switch
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
Well...
…if you’re serious, understand it requires dedication. I’ve played guitar since I was a wee lad and taught for many years. I’d recommend trying to learn on a cheap acoustic first. If you make it over that hurdle, not only will it prove you’re genuinely interested, but your fingers will be primed for playing on an electric. Acoustic guitars are so rough on the fingers, it’s like a good “boot camp” for moving on to the next step. Also, if you’ve never played, be prepared for blisters! At first it will hurt, but that’s a good thing. Soon the blisters will be replaced by calluses and your fingertips will be ready to rock!
"Beckett’s retired 19 batters through Six and a third innings, he’s having a phenomonal night…" --Tim McCarver
by kallawaykid on Nov 22, 2010 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
or just keep rubbing sandpaper on your fingertips
that works
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
Radical thinking.
I like it. ;)
"Beckett’s retired 19 batters through Six and a third innings, he’s having a phenomonal night…" --Tim McCarver
by kallawaykid on Nov 22, 2010 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
my cousin used to mess up his fingers so that he could punch like bruce lee
he’s definitely radical!
or play bass every week, that helps too. and of course, guitar too
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
my bro has an acoustic, but i'm not allowed to touch it
i’ve heard that about the finger thing, that doesn’t bother me.
i used to take piano lessons & i know how to read music so i’m hoping in a few months i can give it a whirl
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
"allowed" "schmallowed" ;)
You should totally give it a try when he’s not around! That’s how Michael Schenker became a “guitar god” as the metal kidz say. While his older brother, Rudy (of Scorpions fame) was off at school, work, Leni Riefenstahl ogling or whatever, Michael would play along to 60s instrumental bands like the Shadows and the Ventures on Rudy’s guitar. Eventually, Rudy found out and asked Michael to teach him!
"Beckett’s retired 19 batters through Six and a third innings, he’s having a phenomonal night…" --Tim McCarver
by kallawaykid on Nov 22, 2010 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
he's like psycho about it, he keeps it in a locked case in his closet
no one but him is allowed to touch it & when he’s done playing he wipes it down so he doesn’t leave finger prints on it
it’d be much easier to get a used one
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Cheap Acoustic
I agree with kallaway that you shouldn’t go crazy on your first guitar but be willing to spend $200 or so and get something better than the boxed starter guitar sets. You’ll appreciate it in the end if you stick with it. If not you’ll have a guitar with at least some resale value.
by WizardofOz1982 on Nov 23, 2010 8:57 AM EST up reply actions
I always thought this was a pretty solid cover too...
Ben Folds – Golden Slumbers
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Yeah, I like that
The “I Am Sam” covers are pretty solid
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Also, it seems wrong to do Golden Slumbers without Carry That Weight
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Phil Collins
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
And for some reason
A Johnny Cash version of “In My Life” exists
Unfortunately it’s, uh, not good
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
if he had done it 5 years earlier it would have been great
I saw the American Recordings one tour he still sounded great
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
Nick Cave has a fantastic version of Let It Be
here. I also like Eddie Vedder doing You’ve Got To Hide Your Love Away.
by BTown Birds fan on Nov 22, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
Also, Richie Havens did an album of Beatles and Dylan covers that has some good stuff
The instrumentation is a little corny on some songs, but there are cool covers of In My Life, The Long and Winding Road, and My Sweet Lord (he also does a few solo Beatle songs), to name a few. But then I’m a big Richie Havens fan, which probably isn’t too common on VEB….
by BTown Birds fan on Nov 22, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
Elliot Smith did a lot of Beatles covers, most of which only exist in bootleg live recordings
But some are really great, if error-prone
For No One
Something (With Quasi backing him up!)
You could make a long list of good Elliot Smith covers (and bad ones too).
Fire John Mozeliak
Also
sounds like something they would do
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
the list of good covers of Sonic Youth is terrifyingly short
some bands are very difficult to cover.
Fire John Mozeliak
But their original moosic is far superior!
:=8)
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
SY does a ton of covers though
Fire John Mozeliak
by purple_haze on Nov 22, 2010 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
well, they have a ton of different tunings and have a knack for controlling feedback
a lot of people would just be really annoying with lots of feedback, unless they are a sludge metal band.
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
+1
Your observation is spot on, Cards Fan. Thurston & Co. are very adept at the art of noise. Def an underrated band. Much like Yo La Tengo, another one of my faves.
"Beckett’s retired 19 batters through Six and a third innings, he’s having a phenomonal night…" --Tim McCarver
by kallawaykid on Nov 22, 2010 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
my fave is my bloody valentine for teh feedbackers
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
ooo... good call...
I’ve been listening to their song, “Painted Rainbow” quite a lot. Couldn’t find it on iTunes so I had to splurge on the Rough Trade Singles double-disc. Which I don’t regret at all, ‘cause those discs are chock full o’goodness! Everything from Swell Maps to Magnetic Fields to Television Personalities.
"Beckett’s retired 19 batters through Six and a third innings, he’s having a phenomonal night…" --Tim McCarver
by kallawaykid on Nov 22, 2010 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
thanks, hadn't heard that one yet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXaGwWpjJfM
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
although, it seems to be called "paint a rainbow"
at least, on the youtube
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
Correct, Cards Fan!
Great words, too. Although you wouldn’t know from these silly lyrics sites. According to those, the opening line to the chorus is “tie me down”. But methinks it’s “tiny diamonds” shine all over your body, little drops of shark-infested sea.
"Beckett’s retired 19 batters through Six and a third innings, he’s having a phenomonal night…" --Tim McCarver
by kallawaykid on Nov 22, 2010 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
so, how did you find those really old ones?
I thought I had heard all their songs! it is a good night, getting to hear their older songs that I hadn’t heard before
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
Pandora turned me onto that one...
…and I was already a Rough Trade fan. So when I found out it was on their double-disc, it was a must-have.
"Beckett’s retired 19 batters through Six and a third innings, he’s having a phenomonal night…" --Tim McCarver
by kallawaykid on Nov 22, 2010 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
This is awesome!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22t5QTkpA3U
:=8D
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
aw yeah!
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
U made me realize...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9qLnmEN7S8
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
Udderly awesome, MooCow.
Nice select!
"Beckett’s retired 19 batters through Six and a third innings, he’s having a phenomonal night…" --Tim McCarver
by kallawaykid on Nov 22, 2010 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
No Beatles song comes within light years of this masterpiece! :=8D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ft56il9bGMk
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
And that's the SHORT version!
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
Your MBV knowledge is most impressive, MooCow!
You are providing an enjoyable soundtrack to my evening. I’ll prolly inexplicably look down at my shoes all day tomorrow.
"Beckett’s retired 19 batters through Six and a third innings, he’s having a phenomonal night…" --Tim McCarver
by kallawaykid on Nov 22, 2010 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
you're jokes make me want to stab my leg with a fork
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
Equip yourself!
They get worse!
"Beckett’s retired 19 batters through Six and a third innings, he’s having a phenomonal night…" --Tim McCarver
by kallawaykid on Nov 22, 2010 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
This is what last year's show was like... :=8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DEnwUAzPG4&feature=player_embedded#!
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Nov 23, 2010 12:13 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
dammit cow, I'm trying to watch tv lol
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 23, 2010 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
A friend sent me this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5Uyj3njNvk
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Nov 23, 2010 12:16 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
that's awesome!
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 23, 2010 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
check out this thread, it's really funny
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1130825
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 23, 2010 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
I like that one guy....
“I’ve given up trying to sound like Kevin Shields, he’s pretty much a wizard”
Kevin Shields: the Ossie Smith of Guitar Players…
;=8)
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
yeah, dude has so many effects pedals and whatnot
plus he’s a good producer and he understands sound really well, or at least how to make it sound super crazy and amazing. and most of those effects, I am not sure what they are. even more awesome.
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 23, 2010 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
Thanx for the linx, Moo!
Really made my eve. You’re pretty alright. Now Ima gonna put on MBV, program to repeat and turn in for the eve. Cheers!
"Beckett’s retired 19 batters through Six and a third innings, he’s having a phenomonal night…" --Tim McCarver
by kallawaykid on Nov 23, 2010 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, this is a great live video!
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 23, 2010 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
Thnx...
…see, I’m not just all bad cow puns…
;=8)
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
moo!
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
Saw 'em live last year in RIchmond - mooochos butt was kicked!
;=8)
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
i saw thurston moore do a solo acoustic set at SXSW
there were maybe 100 people sitting on the lawn in front of a stage big enough for just him, a chair and a guitar. pretty good
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
by prophetjohn on Nov 22, 2010 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
damint
i thought we were talking about sonic youth still
i’m dropping the ball like crazy with the music chatter
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
by prophetjohn on Nov 22, 2010 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
jealous
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
This live was awesome
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qC35UJSXlI
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
one of my favorite songs!
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
did you know
that lee renaldo plays fernandes guitars, many of which are equipped with a feedback generator/controller? also, they usually have a ton of different guitars when they play, so that they can have their odd tunings.
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
I've said it before, but I like The Breeders - "Happiness is a warm gun"
Too stupid and sissy-like to say that you want out.
You make the eyes of a million girls and think you'll make them shout.
by The Continental on Nov 22, 2010 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
Never understood why anyone would dare cover the Beatles...
…but must concede The Breeders kick serious ass on that song. Love Pod. Great record.
"Beckett’s retired 19 batters through Six and a third innings, he’s having a phenomonal night…" --Tim McCarver
by kallawaykid on Nov 22, 2010 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
Some more.
U2 – Helter Skelter from Rattle and Hum
Tesla – We Can Work It out from Five Man Acoustic Jam
Cardinals fan from Korea
related...
…why is it that EVERY Christmas season, we are bombarded with advertisement for some “new” Beatles release. They broke up thirty years ago! C’mon, already! Other music exists! End of vent. ;)
"Beckett’s retired 19 batters through Six and a third innings, he’s having a phenomonal night…" --Tim McCarver
by kallawaykid on Nov 22, 2010 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
so, i like got a job today
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
by gdm426 on Nov 22, 2010 3:20 PM EST reply actions 21 recs
really? that is awesome!
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
i'm pretty freaking happy, i don't know what to make of it
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
He'll look good in white gloves...
;=8)
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
So what's your gimmick on SBN going to be now?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
oh i'll still be hamming the favorites into the ground
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
working for a company called NCO, it's a go between for FexEx & UPS
i’ll be on the phone all day with their clients making sure they pay them. it’s salary plus commission, but i’m not sure exactly how the commission works because they aren’t like dead beat clients. i don’t really care, it’s a first step that i’ve been trying to make since Feb 09, i’ll take whatever i can get.
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Congratulations!
That “first step” is always the hardest!
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
i think this is my 3rd "first" step, hopefully this ones the charm
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
I think you'll find the first step is the deepest.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 25, 2010 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
Now you will have something new to complain about.
I’m joking. This is very good news. A whole new GDM.
Blessed are they who are pleasant to blog with....
Like a blowjob or a handjob?
You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
by Aranathor on Nov 22, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
an Old Fashioned?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Nov 22, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
it was probably a Hoof Whammy
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
now you know i'm not that lucky
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
congrats!
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
its about time!
just kidding of course. So, since you are going to be on the phone all day, are you going to be able to make your calls from the basement?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
i actually get my own little office, so i get to leave the basement every day!
i’m going to have to buy more pants though, i dont think i can show up in jeans
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
sweet, except
i actually get my own little office, so i get to HAVE leave the basement every day!
Having to buy more pants, just one more reason to stay in the basement!
All joking aside, I’m happy for you. This just moves VEB one step closer to Viva El Bar (even though I don’t drink)
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
i hope to start cooking school either in the spring or fall of 2011
looks like i get my nights & weekends free so that hopefully will work out. i’m totally keeping my fingers crossed though because with me, youreallydoneverknow
and you don’t have to drink in order to enjoy Viva El Baro. Cgirly doesn’t & she’ll work there. Viva El Baro does not discriminate against anyone regardless of your choice of beverage, gender, sexual orientation, race, religion, zip codes, high schools, waste size, bust size, hair color, or favorite team. unless you’re a flub or sawx fan, then you best keep your head on a swivel.
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
fuck yeah.
congrats!
Too stupid and sissy-like to say that you want out.
You make the eyes of a million girls and think you'll make them shout.
by The Continental on Nov 22, 2010 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
i think i've said exactly that at least 50 times today, thanks dude
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
I'm not really that upset that Votto won the MVP
But I do find it amusing that Pujols won the Gold Glove and the Silver Slugger, but lost the MVP to another first baseman.
by mojowo11 on Nov 22, 2010 3:30 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
It just further underlines the incompatbility and retardness of these awards.
You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
Forsooth and Verily
it is a testament to the idea that you can be the best player, but somehow not the most valuable
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Or that it's a different pool of voters that value different things
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
People can have different opinions on the same thing?
Since when?
You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
Forsooth and Verily
heh ya
people have been saying for a while (because they assumed Votto would win) that those we intended to be Albert’s consolation prizes.
Kyle Lohse has a No-Trade Clause.
i would argue
that albert’s consolation prize is the fact he’s likely to improve on his numbers from this season as opposed to the massive regression votto faces.
follow me on twitter @nickg105, @Rams_Fan_Voice
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 22, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
what goes around...
exact same thing happened in 2005. Pujols was mvp, derrek lee won gg and ss.
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
And really
Andruw Jones might have been more deserving of the MVP that year anyway.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
/politics
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
votto’s BABIP: .361
pujols’ BABIP: .297
smart money is on pujols next year.
follow me on twitter @nickg105, @Rams_Fan_Voice
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 22, 2010 3:35 PM EST reply actions
You know that Votto's BABIP is .353 for his career, right?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
in three full years
i still think he’s a monster candidate for large regression.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 22, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
You do know that Babip is still very variable after like 3 seasons?
by vivaelpujols on Nov 22, 2010 4:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, but it still needs to be regressed
A .360 BABIP over 3 seasons translates to about a .320 BABIP going forward, assuming we know nothing else about Votto. Now we know that he doesn’t hit a lot of popups, but still the maximum you could project him would be .340, and that’s still a large drop from last year.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 22, 2010 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
And additionally
for Albert to be sub-.300 on balls in play is pretty much unheard of. That’s only going up.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 25, 2010 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
Votto
had 0 infield pop ups. He did that because he was making solid contact. Not because of luck.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
i agree, but for the sake of being devil's advocate
isn’t it possible he did have infield pop ups that were not caught?
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Wrong
A) votto did not have zero popups. Fangraphs says he had 0, statcorner says he had 9. Different data sources lead to different batted ball classifications.
http://statcorner.com/batter.php?id=458015
Let’s average the two out and say he had 4.5 popups last year.
B) Even including his lack of popups his babip is still inflated. According to fangraphs, votto had 192 gb, 148 fb and 85 ld. Even assuming fangraphs is right and he had zero popups, those batted ball classifications yield a .297 xbabip.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/split.cgi?t=b&lg=NL&year=2010
Now that’s a little low given his past years, but it’s undeniable that he got ver lucky this year.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 22, 2010 4:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
this.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 22, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
bapip
is a stupid arguement for suggesting that someone should not win the MVP. Anyway care to put faith in those numbers? I’ll give 2:1 odds that he has over a .297 babip next year.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
yeah, he got lucky, but not "very lucky".
now, Jay Bruce, OTOH, is likely to fall off a cliff.
Like a candle in the wind, we are fragile and we suffer...
Let the wind breeze through your hair, and let your spirit fly; Forever shine on! - edinbridge
sure.
but my argument wasn’t about this year. it was about next year and year’s to come. and yeah, votto’s babip probably won’t be as low as .297 next year. but it’s more likely to be .297 than it is to be .361 again. i’ll take him right around the .330-.340 range.
the argument is that pujols put up almost the same numbers while having a babip 65 points lower than votto. if pujols puts up a babip of .320 and votto puts up .345, pujols wins running away.
also, babip might not be your favorite argument to decide an mvp, but it’s still fair to say votto got lucky this year. park adjustments could also play a role. votto’s park adjusted numbers are very different from his real numbers.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 22, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
Not "very different," but certainly lower.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I don't see why BABIP shouldn't be considered for the MVP
We have no problem penalizing pitchers for their BABIP’s. We know that BABIP contains much more luck compared to the other stats. I personally think the MVP shouldn’t just be pure value (in which you’d give it to the guy who was worth most on a playoff team), it should be about performance as well.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 22, 2010 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
Re: Likelihood of players picked in the Rule 5
Something I learned for the first time last year was the Mike Parisi rule: that a player who had been previously outrighted by his original team and is taken in the Rule 5 draft has the option to become a minor league free agent if the rule-5 drafting team outrights him again.
I’m not sure whether the Cardinals could have retained him if they wanted to pay the Cubs 25k (conflicting news reports about that), but if the way the Parisi situation went down is how it works, then all these players we just moved off the 40-man would be a lot easier for a team to hang onto and stash at AAA.
Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.
St. Louis people
Bill James, Joe Posnanski, and Bob Costas at a “Future of Sports” conference. Free. At WashU
http://news.wustl.edu/news/Pages/21494.aspx
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
DAMNIT
that’s one day after i leave town.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 22, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, same here
Good opportunity for an offseason VEB meetup. Just sayin’
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I can't wait for the day i can be drunk and disorderly with you guys
You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
Forsooth and Verily
the Cardinals have only won the two VEB days I've been to
actually, I’m pretty sure VEB Day is undefeated, if I’m not mistaken
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
are you ever planning on coming state side?
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
that does sound unintentionally dirty
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
I have been to both coasts
and i’m planning to spend 6 months driving around the USA after i graduate in 2013
You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
Forsooth and Verily
Remember, you drive on the wrong side of the road.
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
Technically YOU drive on the wrong side of the road
You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
Forsooth and Verily
Another euphemism???
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 25, 2010 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, only started university this year
You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
Forsooth and Verily
ha, university, you British & your fancy talk
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
What, you mean like "Yale University", "University of California, Berkeley",
Brown University?
Cornell?
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 25, 2010 9:34 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
undergrads still call it "going to college"
graduate students get to say university.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 25, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
it's going down on VEB day this summer
if VEB day is scheduled before may 20th i will castrate all of you.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 22, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Stan Musial...
…was given an honorary degree the year I graduated from Wash U. That was cool.
It's very, very premature
but I’m having conversations about it with people who are faculty there. I taught as a TA when I was in grad school and I really miss it.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
I taught a University College course for the bio department a couple summers ago
It was cool to say I taught at WashU even though I would have virtually no shot at getting a tenure-track job there.
by BTown Birds fan on Nov 22, 2010 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
So far
things are kind of just falling into place via my work. I’ll probably look at teaching at a community college or another university if I don’t wind up at Wash U. I really miss it.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
sounds awesome
law professor is my dream job; well…dream job given the realistic constraints of my education and abilities. They teach a course a semester, two at most, and pull down 6 figures.
Yeah, WashU is pretty awesome
I was also in grad school there back in the day. My wife and I are both academics who are thinking about calling it quits with academia, but if in some bizarro fantasy world WashU came calling I would be there in a second.
by BTown Birds fan on Nov 22, 2010 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
A couple years ago
I would’ve skipped your class to watch a Cards day game. How odd would that have been?
No
I wouldn’t have waited this long to make you call me Dr. if I had a freaking PhD. I’m not sure that I’m dedicated enough to do a PhD.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
i was under the impression
that all university teachers had to have a PhD. i guess i’m just basing that on my small sample size of university professors and the fact that wash U is a much better school than texas state
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twatter
To be on tenure track, absolutely
but adjunct faculty are often only required to have a masters. It’s also very dependent on your field. There aren’t a lot of engineers that want to teach (or that are very good at it).
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
basically all the professors i've had have had PhD's
i’ve had one accounting professor that has not. she was adjunct and had experience in the working world and was hired when the university didn’t want to take on the salary of another professor.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 22, 2010 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
the mfa is still the terminal degree in creative writing
of course, there aren’t any jobs anymore. but when I graduate I’ll be authorized to teach for starvation wages at a college level.
those coed's ain't gonna know what hit em
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Cool, I'm applying there, probably no chance of getting in?
If you could help a brotha out?
by vivaelpujols on Nov 22, 2010 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
goddamn, that's retarded
that site is lame, but then again I think Kanye is super overrated anyway
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
I love kanye
but there are usually two or three songs I skip on each of his albums, so I’m not sure I could ever give one a 10.
ah yes, the classic rap skit preventing from a perfect album?
or just crappy songs?
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
all the skits
Plus these songs, according to the minute I spent in iTunes:
College Droupout:
Get Em’ High
The New Workout Plan
Slow Jamz
Breathe In Breathe Out
Late Registration:
Crack Music
Addiction
Graduation:
Barry Bonds
Drunk and Hot Girls
808s:
Amazing
See You In My Nightmares
I find it interesting having the mp3 player
it makes one really look at how good an overall album is. I’ve come to the conclusion that there are very very few perfect albums out there. if you listen to something enough, it will go beyond your tolerance for a song, and like movies, there are very few songs out there that are worthing hearing over and over and over again. this can even ruin a song of course. but anyway, I find on average a good album has about half gems, and half pretty goods, and maybe even a few duds, depending on how long the album is, etc.
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
You think listening to MP3s makes you look more at how good the album is overall?
I would think it would be the opposite, since it’s so much easier to pick and choose individual songs than in the days of CDs (or tapes, or God help me eight-tracks).
by BTown Birds fan on Nov 22, 2010 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
I think his point is
that being able to pick and choose songs off of an album makes the really good albums stand out.
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
yes
you have more of an editor’s viewpoint. i’m talking about stuff you’ve heard tons of times, and you know it front to back as well as broken down into songs. once you’ve heard an album say 100 times for convo sake, you can start to tell if it is going to be a classic. and of course, this is extremely subjective. I’ve noticed certain people like my brother doesn’t mind hearing the same song more than once in a day; for me, unless it’s something really really new, I hate hearing the same song more than once. hence why I wear headphones a lot.
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
I'm a proponent of savoring music.
when it’s new to me, I’ll listen to it multiple times, otherwise I put the album away until it’s fresh and exciting again.
I'm mainly speaking about stuff you've heard a lot
he totally doesn’t mind hearing stuff repetitively I think. at least compared to my attention span. I get at least a few new albums each month. I used to get even more than that when I was younger. I kinda messed up my credit buying cds and guitars heh
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
and computers with P2P in early high school.
Grooveshark is useful, but it’s not the same. Are the Russian sites illegal yet?
I dunno, I've heard of people buying from the russian sites still
at least, its been a month or so since I heard of it
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
if you're going to use the russian sites you might as well just torrent everything
the rightsholders will see the same cut from each.
exactly
kind what I realized once I reached the point of only buying used cds. which are the price of what new cds should be
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
but they don't bolster Russia's economy.
I’m a fan of quality (read: not CD Exchange) used cd stores. Thankfully Austin has several with reasonable prices.
well of course, both
you should listen to the album all the way through before going to random all
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
Random was one of my favorite "improvements" of CDs over tapes
It’s interesting to hear how the artist wants the songs laid out, but as long as it’s not a strong concept album where order’s really important, it’s fun to be surprised sometimes. For whatever reason, I really dig going random on most Peter Gabriel albums.
But my wife likes to do random on her whole iPod playlist, so you don’t even know which genre is coming up, let alone artist. That’s beyond the bounds of common decency….
by BTown Birds fan on Nov 22, 2010 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
me too, I really enjoy having all these songs coming at you like your own mega radio station but with no announcers or ads
or I guess you could hire someone to do that for you heh
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
Dark Side of the Moon is too
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
Speaking of The Wall, if you've ever wanted to hear it covered in
country/bluegrass style (and really, who hasn’t?), you’re in luck.
by BTown Birds fan on Nov 22, 2010 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
that'd be interesting
but what I’d really like is if netflix lets you have a random play from queue option so you don’t have to sit around trying to figure out which one to watch
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
Shuffle
This is my playlist in my car. 160GB of iPod Classic running on shuffle with everything from Chris LeDoux to Nina Simone. I heard Garth Brooks’s “Shameless” then Akon’s “Smack That” on the way to work today. I love the randomness for some reason. It drives my wife bat shit insane on long drives though.
by WizardofOz1982 on Nov 23, 2010 9:06 AM EST up reply actions
exactly.
Albums that are greater than the sum of their parts:
Neutral Milk Hotel: In the Aeroplane Over the Sea
Pavement: Slanted & Enchanted
Bob Dylan: Blonde on Blonde
The Avalanches: Since I Left You
Those are the initial reaction ones for me, anyway.
yeah, perfect albums really stand out as being special
I’ve heard many many different albums, but there’s only a few that are perfect. and even then it’s hard to remember those ones sometimes lol. I have too much music.
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
one that comes to mind is this album by a band called Ghost
from Japan; Hypnotic Underworld is the album title. they even have a weird genre, I think I saw at a record store they called them “noise folk” lol
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
I know whatcha mean...
…since I’ve opened an iTunes account, I’m more selective about buying full-lengths. Just wish iTunes would give me bigger sample sizes! Can’t really judge a song on such a small sample size. I usually check the whole tune on YouTube before I purchase. Don’t think it’s hurt the biz much, tho. I’m probably buying more music than ever… Just a song at a time.
ALSO! For the last two or three years I’ve been in love with Pandora radio. I don’t even bother w/commercial radio or satellite for music any more. I still listen to our wonderful community radio station, KDHX here in STL. But that’s it. I’ve been turned onto so many new sounds this through Pandora and the deejays at KDHX, it’s absurd. Very much recommended for maximum listening pleasure.
"Beckett’s retired 19 batters through Six and a third innings, he’s having a phenomonal night…" --Tim McCarver
by kallawaykid on Nov 22, 2010 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
last.fm is nice too
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
i don't really know what you're into
but in general, you need to listen to the whole album. takin’ the trees out the forest, innit
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
by prophetjohn on Nov 22, 2010 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
The only perfect albums I can think of off the top of my head
are Dark Side Of The Moon and Wish You Were Here. Even DSOTM has Money, which I don’t like that much, but I’ll give it a pass because of how well it fits in with the rest of the album.
I can’t think of another perfect album right now. Doolittle maybe, or The Bends.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 22, 2010 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
Queens of the Stone Age were quite consistent over their first 3 albums
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
Nirvana Unplugged.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Nov 22, 2010 10:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This was an excellent album.
Enter vivaelpujols
My great wit allows me to interject that by assuming the partakers of this conversation are inbedded and perhaps romantically entangled, rather than indeed, the truthful observation that they are both platonic and standing upright. Great comedy may be produced!! -Aranathor
dream theater- awake
and of course, Queensryche- Operation Mindcrime.
Metallica’s “and justice for all” bears mention as well.
Like a candle in the wind, we are fragile and we suffer...
Let the wind breeze through your hair, and let your spirit fly; Forever shine on! - edinbridge
Ya, that Queensryche album was insanely good.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Ha. Before I read Sleepy's full comment, I thought...
…you were poking fun of Dream Theater with the Queensryche reference. I always found DT quite skilled technically, but completely annoying. Did like “the Ryche” back when I was a hyper young teen, tho.
"Beckett’s retired 19 batters through Six and a third innings, he’s having a phenomonal night…" --Tim McCarver
by kallawaykid on Nov 22, 2010 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
Megadeth - Rust In Peace
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
almost mentioned that one
but it had a couple of filler songs, and hasn’t really stood the test of time the way the others have. Same with a couple of maiden and therion albums I thought about throwing out.
Like a candle in the wind, we are fragile and we suffer; let the wind breeze through your hair, and let your spirit fly- forever shine on! - edinbridge
I dunno, I bought the remastered version and it still just flat out destroys
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, and if the bar for "perfect" is "DSOTM", it fits.
It’s pretty much superior in every way, except minus the emo (which is probably a plus). They just don’t make metal albums as fun as RIP anymore, and that’s a shame.
I’m also going to throw out a completely non-metal album and say “marillion- la gazza ladra”. Derek Dick was an amazing lyricist before the troubles.
Like a candle in the wind, we are fragile and we suffer; let the wind breeze through your hair, and let your spirit fly- forever shine on! - edinbridge
Justice is the best Metallica imo
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
Ride The Lightning for me.
Although, Puppets comes in a close second. The only reason Lightning beats it is because they pretty much just repeated the same song format from Lightning to Puppets, therefore the original wins out. May sound odd, but compare the tracks and you’ll find it’s true.
My best friend and I were die hard Metallica fans from the beginning. We met them at an in-store and saw them at Reflexions first time they came ‘round to STL. Followed them (and even became friends with one of them) ’til the black album. Don’t really enjoy anything from the black album forward… don’t know if it’s age, James getting all “clean”, or them just starting to suck. Didn’t seem the same tho.
"Beckett’s retired 19 batters through Six and a third innings, he’s having a phenomonal night…" --Tim McCarver
by kallawaykid on Nov 22, 2010 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
I think you're the only person I've heard say ride the lightning as best metallica
weird… to me puppets is like the better version of that type of album
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
i used to work with some guys who played ride every damn day
seriously you could hear them blasting it as they drove into & out of work. that’s the only Metallic they ever listened to. the freaks drove me nuts
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Sorry to hear that...
…easy to develop an aversion to music quickly if it’s forced down your ears. That’s too bad! It’s happened to me quite often.
"Beckett’s retired 19 batters through Six and a third innings, he’s having a phenomonal night…" --Tim McCarver
by kallawaykid on Nov 22, 2010 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
oh no i love Metallica, i just hated those guys
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
I know what you're saying...
…the production is definitely kicked up a notch. And they were really refining their “craft” at that point. (Can you use the word “craft” when describing heavy metal music, BTW? ;) Then Cliff had to go and get squished. Didn’t realized how much of an impact he had on their sound ’til that gawd-awful accident happened. Losing him dramatically changed the dynamic of the band.
"Beckett’s retired 19 batters through Six and a third innings, he’s having a phenomonal night…" --Tim McCarver
by kallawaykid on Nov 22, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
the bends?
you pick a radiohead album and you pick the bends?
i’m gonna stop before i start to come off like an elitist prick (if it’s not too late)
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
by prophetjohn on Nov 22, 2010 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
i mean
high and dry? sulk? black star? these songs are mediocre at best. the only song on that album that can really stand up to the rest of their catalog is street spirit.
i can’t even imagine listening to that album all the way through
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
by prophetjohn on Nov 22, 2010 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
hey!
I like black star
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
i do, too
but it’s definitely not the same kind of like that i have for morning bell or how to disappear completely or where i end and you begin or there there or pyramid song or … you get the point
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
by prophetjohn on Nov 22, 2010 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
the closest albums that radiohead have to perfect album is kid A or OK computer
OK Computer is more consistent imo
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
i'd agree with the first part of that statement
i don’t know how i would define a “perfect album”, though. i don’t think ok computer is more consistent. i think they’re about equal in consistency. they both have one guitar-y semi-low point (electioneering and optimistic). what i do know, though is that there are several songs on kid a that just blow away everything on ok computer not named climbing up the walls
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by prophetjohn on Nov 22, 2010 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
for me, OK Computer was perfect at the time but I'm so burned out on it these days I have trouble saying it's a perfect album
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
i definitely get that
it’s a rare occasion that i sit down and listen to a radiohead album
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by prophetjohn on Nov 22, 2010 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
that's because you're a good person
clack/clank/chalk/clock
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by prophetjohn on Nov 22, 2010 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
I think The Bends is there best song
It’s not as advanced as the stuff on Kid A and Amnesiac, but it’s just a perfect song for what it is.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 22, 2010 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
Dang.
The Bends is Inception and Kid A is Shutter Island.
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So where does Hans Zimmer fall into all of this?
by vivaelpujols on Nov 22, 2010 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
when we trade hawksworth to the nats for him
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by prophetjohn on Nov 22, 2010 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
I was about to post this
Bends, the song, kicks ass — that guitar solo is amazing. Overall though I think their best album is OK Computer.
Well my three favorite songs on Amnesiac
But I also dislike a couple songs on that album, so it can’t be perfect. Same thing with OK Computer. And I think Kid A is brilliant, but I just don’t get a lot out of it.
The Bends is a perfect album in that every song is good enough, and it flows together perfectly. And it has some of the best hard rock songs ever.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 22, 2010 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
so your bends is my ok computer, basically
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
I know I should be a huge pixies fan based on the bands I do like
but I just don’t get them, and never have. they don’t seem serious enough about their music for me to be serious about their music—so much of it just sounds too jokey.
yeah, I've never figured out what's so great about that band
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
don't get me wrong, I like surreal stuff
they’re just, I dunno. they don’t grab my full attention. plus they sound more dated than sonic youth to me, who I tend to prefer over the Pixies
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
i never got into them, either
but i never tried very hard
i’ve probably heard slanted and enchanted and whatever the other big one is one time each
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by prophetjohn on Nov 22, 2010 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
another band that sucks
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
Wowee Zowee is a pretty good album
But yeah, most of their stuff isn’t great.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 22, 2010 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
booo
you are all so wrong.
wrong wrongity wrong. almost as wrong as you are about Jeremy Hellickson.
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by purple_haze on Nov 22, 2010 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
the Jeremy Hellickson thing is
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by purple_haze on Nov 22, 2010 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
saying BJ Upton + Jeremy Hellickson isn't enough for Colby Rasmus is just flat wrong
i’m sorry, it’s just wrong.
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by purple_haze on Nov 22, 2010 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
i don't know about hellickson
but isn’t upton soon to be a FA?
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by prophetjohn on Nov 22, 2010 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
We had this argument already
Hellickson’s reasonable peak is Rasmus’ 2010.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 22, 2010 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
that's a pretty grim view of his peak
I think he could easily be a 4 starter, his floor is 3 starter. I see a peak 5 WAR pitcher who is going to be an above average starter from the get-go. His mechanics are so fucking clean, watching him is like watching a clinic on pitching
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by purple_haze on Nov 22, 2010 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
Based on previous top 10 pitching prospects,
His floor is being worthless, he’s median projection is being a below average pitcher, and his very unlikely upside is being a star.
Pitchers rarely follow through on their potential, and it’s nearly impossible to distinguish between the top 10 an the top 70.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 22, 2010 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
see, the problem here is that you're trying to evaluate him as "a top 10 pitcher"
i’m evaluating him as “Jeremy Hellickson”
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by purple_haze on Nov 22, 2010 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
you guys aren't going to get anywhere on this topic
both of you are going to stand firm and not change your views, so its best just to “agree to disagree” at this point
by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 22, 2010 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
wait what
i could have swore that said pavement
the pixies are solid, but nothing special
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by prophetjohn on Nov 22, 2010 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
I was the same way for years
but one day Brighten the Corners just clicked, and pow! it went uphill from there.
I can agree with that
Especially because basically all of the songs were written by Frank Black and he had some weird obsessions (incest, UFO’s). But Doolittle has very few joke songs and generally seems to be an attempt to be more serious. Plus the amount of variation on the styles of the songs, despite similar quality on each of them is incredible.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 22, 2010 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
it's my favorite Pixies album
but River Euphrates and Cecilia Ann are still my favorite tracks. Except maybe when Cactus really gets it done.
Agreed
I think Bossanova was a really good album considering what they were trying to do with it.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 22, 2010 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
I love Bossanova.
I’d probably pick it over Surfer Rosa, but River Euphrates and Where Is My Mind? are difficult to ignore.
but the sum of Bossanova > Surfer Rosa.
hard to say what albums I would call perfect
Blood on the Tracks probably. And, um, the Blue Album (seriously….if you define perfect as the album that perfectly defines its genre and represents the highest achievement in that genre, well there’s really no more perfect collection of pop rock songs ever made)
Yeah,
Blue is my favorite Joni Mitchell album, too.
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 23, 2010 12:55 AM EST up reply actions
Oh, you must mean
the Diana Ross album.
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 23, 2010 1:13 AM EST up reply actions
Perfect albums I think
Grant Lee Buffalo – Grant Lee Buffalo
David Bowie – Ziggy Stardust
Elton John – Captain Fantastic and Brown Dirt Cowboy
Queensryche – Operation : Mindcrime
The Who – Live at Leeds
King’s X – XV (maybe a little bit stretch but I do think this is the very best output from the criminally underrated trio)
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by FreeRedbird on Nov 22, 2010 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
perfect albums off the top of my head
John Coltrane – Giant Steps
My Bloody Valentine – Loveless
Mahavishnu Orchestra – Inner Mounting Flame
Thingy – Song About Angels, Evil, and Running Around on Fire
Nine Inch Nails – the Downward Spiral
Autechre – ep7
Tame Impala – Inner Speaker (too new though, small sample)
Aphex Twin – Richard D James Album
Carcass – Heartwork
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
also, I'm inclined to put Amon Tobin - Permutations on there
sort of a college soundtrack for me
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
VR + Nico is pretty much perfect too
Black Angel’s Death Song is the weakest on the album but everything on there is pretty much an instant classic.
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by purple_haze on Nov 22, 2010 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
Also pretty perfect
You’re Living All Over Me
tell me this song doesn’t destroy everything in its path (play it LOUD)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi1LrNtVltg
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by purple_haze on Nov 23, 2010 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
this is directed at Chitown, if he is not already familiar.
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by purple_haze on Nov 23, 2010 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
i prefer EVOL
but DDN is pretty much as excellent
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by prophetjohn on Nov 23, 2010 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
I love Evol, Bad Moon Rising, Confusion is Sex (a little less than the rest), Daydream Nation
but I don’t think they ever wrote a song better than Death Valley 69, so I’ll give it to BMR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9a-V0Iwml3c
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by purple_haze on Nov 23, 2010 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
expressway to yr skull
gotta be their best song
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by prophetjohn on Nov 23, 2010 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, I could see that too
plus Evol has Shadow of a Doubt.
Tough one.
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by purple_haze on Nov 23, 2010 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
The most recent album that is almost perfect
is The xx’s self titled. Except the song Fantasy. If you throw that out, it’s perfect.
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by purple_haze on Nov 23, 2010 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
some more
Well, Grant Lee Buffalo’s debut album was Fuzzy, not Grant Lee Buffalo. My bad.
Genesis – The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway
Everything but the Girl – Amplified Heart
Fleetwood Mac – Rumors
Savatage – Dead Winter Dead
R.E.M. – Reckoning
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by FreeRedbird on Nov 22, 2010 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
oh, savatage
Dead winter dead… streets… wake of magellan…
None of them were perfect, but they were all tremendous albums.
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Captain Fantastic
Elton John was the first “rock” music I liked. From like age six to nine, I was batty about his music. I bought all his 70s stuff and knew every word to that album by heart. Seems odd looking back on it now, ’cause musically I think he died around 1980. That was a really great record, tho. Love the lyrics to “Tower of Babel”.
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by kallawaykid on Nov 22, 2010 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
The album is one long highlight
There is no single weak moment in the album. Seriously.
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by FreeRedbird on Nov 23, 2010 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
The Bends?
seriously? okay… I agree with Doolittle, there are no bad songs on that album. Entertainment! would be one. Hell Hath No Fury would be probably the most filler-free hiphop album i’ve ever heard.
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by purple_haze on Nov 22, 2010 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
that's not it
it’s just hard to call an album full of mediocre songs perfect.
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by prophetjohn on Nov 22, 2010 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think any are mediocre
So I guess we just disagree on this.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 22, 2010 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
i just used mathematical induction
to show that if the first song on the bends is not all that great, then every subsequent song on the bends is not that great
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by prophetjohn on Nov 22, 2010 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
i hate all of you!
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by prophetjohn on Nov 22, 2010 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
i know
i’m just breakin’ you guys’ balls
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by prophetjohn on Nov 22, 2010 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
i just think its an alternative band making music that fits firmly into their time and place
Radiohead didn’t get good until they figured out that they needed to be future-minded. OK Computer was the start of that. But even that was still kind of based on traditional guitar alt band stylings. Then Kid A came and it sounded like what they were trying to get at in the first place.
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by purple_haze on Nov 22, 2010 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
I agree that it fit into their time in place
But the quality of the music on every song in that album is so far ahead of any other band during that time that I think it deserves to be called close to perfect based on those merits.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 22, 2010 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
well, being "ahead" is one definition of progressive rock
and in any given year, there are a number of bands that do it better than radiohead ever has. They are just more visible because they get played on the radio. Along with bands like coldplay, live, skillet, etc, they are kind of the musical version of Joe Posnanski (ok, maybe the derrick goold) as bands like ayreon, IQ and spock’s beard are to MGL/tango/etc.
They definitely fill a valuable niche by popularizing advances in musicality and help fight the regression onslaught brought by untalented kids parroting green day, nirvana, etc. but that doesn’t give them any boost to their own musical value.
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by SleepyCA on Nov 22, 2010 11:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
boo to this whole comment
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by purple_haze on Nov 22, 2010 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
do what better?
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by prophetjohn on Nov 22, 2010 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
if posnanski is to the mainstream bands as mgl is to the prog rockers
there’s a reason one is mainstream and the other is a needlessly harsh misanthrope who needs an editor.
Rush aren't misanthropic
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
exactly, danup.
Poz is probably a bad example, because he brings his own innate, elite ability to provide historical perspective to everyday events, but Goold and guys like him couldn’t be as good as they are without the MGL’s and Tango’s doing the brilliant foundational conceptual work. That’s not an insult to Goold, but an acknowledgement that music and math don’t just spring out of the darkness; it’s all iterative, and human artists improve one small step at a time, standing on the shoulders of giants, if you will. In music, more than other fields, the giants are often unseen (and starving).
I misread VEP’s comment earlier- I thought he was giving radiohead credit for being better than they actually are based on the fact that their music was progressive, and that’s not what he was saying (actually, on re-reading, his comment was entirely subjective, so I should have not responded at all).
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agreed
there are a ton of bands out there that get overlooked that are really good
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
I think, in terms of their technical ability, they are a great band
When you add in their ridiculous creativity, I just don’t know how you could compare anyone to them (I’ve never listened to ayreon or IQ and spock’s beard, so maybe I’m wrong).
by vivaelpujols on Nov 22, 2010 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, he's obviously not a fan of radiohead
what happens with the huge bands, if you aren’t a fan of them you are probably going to hate them due to overexposure.
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 11:48 PM EST up reply actions
but I like them still
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
can't freakin wait for the new one
whatever it’s going to be like
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
i didn't say I wasn't a fan
but they are basically the Ryan Howard of rock bands. Above average, but they get way too much credit for high RBI totals.
Like a candle in the wind, we are fragile and we suffer; let the wind breeze through your hair, and let your spirit fly- forever shine on! - edinbridge
nice
lol
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
i'm confused
about what the RBI totals are
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by prophetjohn on Nov 22, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
hits, I think
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 23, 2010 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
i mean, if you're just saying they're not that great, then
there’s not much to discuss
if you’re saying that they’re getting too much credit for doing entirely new things and completely reinventing music, then you’re entirely right. but i don’t like them based on how new their sound was. i just think the song composition is brilliant
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by prophetjohn on Nov 23, 2010 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
but they don't do anything new!
That’s the point. They just do things other bands did, in a way that is more marketable.
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what did i just say
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by prophetjohn on Nov 23, 2010 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
and really
what’s the point anyway
who has really done anything since, i dunno, the invention of jazz. anyway?
who cares about new? i care about good tunes and i definitely get that out of radiohead
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by prophetjohn on Nov 23, 2010 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
hiphop, electronic music, heavy metal
yknow, a lot of the good shit
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 23, 2010 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
are new?
how are any of those new?
really, this could probably be said about anything, including jazz. it could probably all be traced back some jackass beating a stick on a rock in a cave.
there are no new ideas or new sounds. only aggregations of pre-existing ideas/sounds
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by prophetjohn on Nov 23, 2010 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
I agree to an extent
music is not as easily delineated or marked into subgenres as any writer can convey (at least that I’ve read). music is a constantly evolving thing though, there are new sounds out there. jazz became the true American music, Europe basically imitated jazz, then hiphop. heavy metal is harder to pin down, but it happened as some kind of weird combination of rock, blues, garage, and later progressive rock and jazz. pop and rock music has continued to do crossover sounds trying new combinations of influences. there are of course tons of retreads out there though. it all depends on how you define new I guess.
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 23, 2010 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
I don't know about perfect album, but a few that I love all the way through:
Alice In Chains – Dirt
Clapton Unplugged
Green Day – American Idiot 1
Kansas – Leftoverture
Queen – A Night At The Opera
1 Yeah, I know I’m out alone on an island with this one.
Too stupid and sissy-like to say that you want out.
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by The Continental on Nov 22, 2010 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
American Idiot?
i listened to Green Day back in the day and i got tired of all their songs fast… i don’t think that’s a good sign…. plus they had too similar of songs and didn’t change up from their forte too much…
by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 22, 2010 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I know some folks aren't into it.
I just couldn’t put it down when I got it and still listen all the way through.
Too stupid and sissy-like to say that you want out.
You make the eyes of a million girls and think you'll make them shout.
by The Continental on Nov 22, 2010 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, I have a hard time making it through
an entire green day SONG, much less album.
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by SleepyCA on Nov 22, 2010 11:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
Dirt freakin rulz
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
close to perfect album imo
I’ll have to give it another spin though
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
Trash American Idiot and instead pick up Broken Bride
by Ludo. A much better rock opera imo and by a band from St. Louis, no less (Priory and Burroughs alums)
Clapton Unplugged?
Seriously? Card Fan was talking about wanting to stick a fork in his leg – I think a spin of that record might do it for me. But, I digress… To each his/her own.
We’re all Cards fans, but the thread tonight shows we’re a diverse group when it comes to music. And good thanks for that!
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by kallawaykid on Nov 23, 2010 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
not a big clapton fan either, kid
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 23, 2010 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
Good day, sir.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I don't understand the words coming out of your keyboard.
Everyone has their thing, though. No worries.
Too stupid and sissy-like to say that you want out.
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by The Continental on Nov 23, 2010 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
For what it's worth there's only one skit on here, and it's actually kinda funny and in the middle of a song.
This is definitely his most consistent album.
by AWolfAtTheDoor on Nov 22, 2010 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
I love Kanye also, but haven't heard all of this album yet
but I think this is the first perfect ten they’ve given out since Kid A to a new album
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pinkerton deluxe got one the other day
the thing I don’t like about giving albums 10 is that in a lot of cases it’s just a way to cap a narrative, not a way to actually rate an album. One thing I like about the four star movie-rating system is that four stars happens enough that it doesn’t serve the same purpose.
it's so ridiculously subjective
you hand the album to someone that likes the band, they give it a high rating. if you had someone that doesn’t like Weezer review it, they might MIGHT give it a 7.2, or something.
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
of course it's subjective
it’s music, not baseball. that’s why music (or any kind of pop culture) criticism is an art unto itself
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Wait, baseball is not subjective?
sez who?
by SouthsideCardsFan on Nov 22, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
baseball is not subjective
we have objective facts with which to make our arguments.
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I find your reasoning, and face objective
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
by TomCat009 on Nov 22, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
To quote Mark Twain (I think). . .
there are lies, there are damn lies, and then there are statistics.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Nov 22, 2010 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
ok, if that's the case, Kanye West is just god awful, lame music
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
i like that song he did with jamie fox
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
I doubt that the reviewer has the final say in the rating the album gets on Pitchfork.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I've always found Kanye to be surprisingly lo-fi for such a popular artist
you can always hear the seams in the stitching for his samples, which is pretty endearing, I find.
Fire John Mozeliak
favorite song on that album is probably "Power"
haven’t listened to them all so I’ll spend the rest of the night scouring youtube
by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 22, 2010 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
If we're still doing perfect albums...
I suggest the following:
Built To Spill – Perfect From Now On
Paul Simon – Graceland
R.E.M. – Murmur
Sleater-Kinney – The Woods
The Clash – London Calling
Those are aside from some of what has been discussed here. I also prefer The Bends to OK Computer, btw.
by mattisnotfrench on Nov 22, 2010 11:38 PM EST up reply actions
Sleater-Kinney is one of those bands where I think I can enjoy every single song they've ever made.
I don’t know if I can say that about any other band
Fire John Mozeliak
by purple_haze on Nov 22, 2010 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
I miss them dearly.
They were wonderful in the studio, wonderful live, they’re wonderful people (I’ve met two of the three – Corin Tucker is the nicest musician I’ve ever met) and they had ever so much integrity. Amazing, amazing band.
by mattisnotfrench on Nov 22, 2010 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
One beat is almost perfect, too.
I think Funeral Song and Prisstina are just a cut below the rest of the album, which features some of their absolute best songs.
by mattisnotfrench on Nov 22, 2010 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
I like All Hands
but I listened to it too much in high school and now I can sing the whole album from memory. So I mostly listen to their other albums nowadays.
Fire John Mozeliak
by purple_haze on Nov 23, 2010 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
And just out of personal preference...
Smashing Pumpkins – Siamese Dream
Though I know a lot of people will disagree with that.
by mattisnotfrench on Nov 22, 2010 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
I used to love that one
can’t really get into them much anymore though
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
if anything this thread tells me I know absolutely nothing about music
or at least good and real music….
by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 22, 2010 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
So who voted Albert #1?
I hate the Rockies writers I don’t think they necessarily deserved it but again maybe a smidgen of homerism boys? I bet they both voted Tulo out of the top 5 and Cargo at least 3 or lower.
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
strauss.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Just went over to Red Reporter to see their reaction to the MVP voting,
and saw that the Reds signed Dontrelle Willis to a minor league deal. I feel bad having to root against him now, cuz under different circumstances I’d love to see him make it back. Oh well.
by BTown Birds fan on Nov 22, 2010 5:29 PM EST reply actions
FWIW, Pujols did end up passing Williams and Mays
for third in career MVP shares, right behind Musial.
by BTown Birds fan on Nov 22, 2010 5:40 PM EST reply actions
The fact that he's ahead of Mays,
is silly. Man that guy got screwed over a lot.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Are we interested?
The Rays need BP help
And they’ve got alot of options at SS. I reckon we can get him cheap, so yes.
You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
Forsooth and Verily
Buuuuut
He’s a substandard fielder.
You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
Forsooth and Verily
straussed talked about it on Bernies show this afternoon
i don’t think he thought it would work, which means he’s probably already been traded for & the team will hold a press conference friday
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Bartlett is pretty difficult to value at this time imo
I’d classify it as “only as a steal” type of deal.
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
probably not
if memory serves, he was about exactly as valuable as boog last year. and putting boog at SS next year doesn’t require sending players (probably boog) to tampa bay
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
Votto on MVP
“I don’t know — I think it was a tossup. I think that it was as close as it can get. I’m not going to go on a limb and say, ’Oh, yeah, I played a heck of a lot better than him because I beat him in batting average, but we all know that batting average is kind of an overrated statistic.”
Somewhere, Joe Morgan just said “wut?”
You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
Forsooth and Verily
by Aranathor on Nov 22, 2010 6:08 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Another point in Votto's favor.
Too stupid and sissy-like to say that you want out.
You make the eyes of a million girls and think you'll make them shout.
by The Continental on Nov 22, 2010 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
ok, I like Votto again
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
i'm unreccing him for that grammar
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
poor guy
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
so i was looking at some threads from this time last year, just because it's monday and i'm bored
for 2010 Jason Bay: 1.4 fWAR
for 2010 Matt Holliday: 6.9 fWAR
i know it’s unfair to judge in retrospect, but i’m pretty happy with moz
even at the time
holliday was a much better bet to put up consistent value going forward than bay
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
OT: miley cyrus turns 18 tomorrow
just sayin’.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 22, 2010 6:34 PM EST reply actions
but Lil Wayne is still in prison!!
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
oh son, i thought i raised you better than that
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
you did.
miley cyrus sucks.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 22, 2010 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
barf
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
you can bang her tomorrow.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 22, 2010 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
I'm under 18, I can bang her whenever I want
Besides, there are plenty hotter and more accessible girls than her.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 22, 2010 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
speaking of female teenager singers who suck
can anyone tell me why taylor swift is popular?
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
THANK YOU!
i have put up with her shit all the time because one of my best friends is in love with her… everytime I get in the car including 4 hour drives, you can bet your ass its 4 fucking hours of taylor swift
and i don’t think she’s that attractive either…
by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 22, 2010 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
she sucks at singing
but she’s still flaming hot. end of story.
is one of your best friends a girl?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 22, 2010 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
she's really weird looking imo
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
she looks like a clown or something
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 23, 2010 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
no its a guy which makes it more annoying
and i stand by my statement
she’s cute… she’s not hot… hote and cute to me mean two totally different things…. the only way i can see how she can be hot is that she is blonde and im not going to like any girl just because she is blonde
by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 22, 2010 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
a guy liking taylor swift....haha
but i agree in the fact that cute and hot are two different things.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 22, 2010 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
here's the funny part
he knows I hate her music and he tells me to “drink the kool-aid”… because if I did like her music, then I would be in the majority opinion of the rest of my school…
what’s really really annoying is when he tries to convince me that taylor swift is someone you want to spend your life with, yet carrie underwood is someone you only want to bang and that’s his reasoning for why he’d rather by with taylor swift
by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 22, 2010 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
WOW
your friend is somewhat of a douche. and what you’re describing sounds like high school all over again for me, so it makes sense.
also, carrie underwood is a better singer and more attractive than taylor swift. just sayin’.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 22, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
idk maybe I'll think that later
but i don’t think he’s a douche
as to that last sentence, well i think that’s so obvious that it doesn’t even need to be said
by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 22, 2010 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
i dont think i could trust anyone who thinks underwood isn't more attracttive than swift
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Can't trust me then
I went to NSU with Carrie when she was banging most of the frat guys in town. She’s not exactly well regarded here. I also think Taylor Swift is much more attractive than Carrie Underwood.
by WizardofOz1982 on Nov 23, 2010 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
really? that's certainly not how she portrays herself
she’s supposed to be this good christian girl with good morals & values. that’s really disappointing to hear. how much interaction did you have with her?
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Very little
We were at a lot of parties together but that’s about it. I can’t recall speaking with her more than a couple of times. She worked for a while as a receptionist for the vet my wife and I use as well but that was never more than hi, etc. My wife had several classes with Carrie’s best friend from Checotah who said that Carrie is not the person she was in college so maybe she was just partying like everyone else. She certainly wouldn’t be the first to do that in college.
by WizardofOz1982 on Nov 23, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
one of my biggest regrets is that i never went to college
when i was young. i’ve missed so much that i’ll never get back.
hey that’s cool you got to talk to her. i’m shocked she doesn’t eat meat. i can’t understand how someone from oklahoma can not eat meat.
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
sounds like she ......nevermind.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Nov 23, 2010 6:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i should have said she was a vegetarian
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Vegetarian
It just doesn’t fit. Tahlequah has some awesome BBQ places. There’s no way you can go to college here and not eat meat.
by WizardofOz1982 on Nov 24, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
this is at least understandable
you’re level of attractiveness of Carrie has been affected by personal experience and what you know….
“much more attractive” – i mean that’s my only rationale cause its always subjective opinion but in this case I’ve always felt it was pretty much a fact (obviously not…)
by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 24, 2010 3:40 AM EST up reply actions
or maybe he & Aranthor would be more than friends?
not that there’s anything wrong with that
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
never
the twin (will meet), but i’d like to
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
have i been wrong about you?
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
hmmmmmmmmmm
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 22, 2010 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
it seems pretty obvious to me, as a non-fan
sincerity and accessibility go a long way when you also write a decent hook (and are also an attractive female pop singer who straddles the line between country and teen-girl-pop, the last two genres that actually sell physical albums.)
I don’t really find anything reprehensible about what she does, which is more than I can say about most pop idols. more power to her.
i honestly haven't heard one song she's done since her first single
i wouldn’t know one if i heard it. she’s just everywhere lately & i was wondering if it was just because people felt bad for her because of the whole Kayne thing
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
bullcrap you are not under 18.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 22, 2010 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
He's like 15 or something.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
no.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 22, 2010 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
than means
that she can’t bang you after tomorrow
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
by prophetjohn on Nov 22, 2010 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
Only two more years until we never hear from her again!
Enter vivaelpujols
My great wit allows me to interject that by assuming the partakers of this conversation are inbedded and perhaps romantically entangled, rather than indeed, the truthful observation that they are both platonic and standing upright. Great comedy may be produced!! -Aranathor
he really doesn't like the spot light at all
he’s a good dude though
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
fuck him.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 22, 2010 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
were you in line to get some kind of bonus if pujols won?
this really was a toss-up, there’s nothing to be this pissed off about.
by DanUpBaby on Nov 22, 2010 6:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
how dare he suggest he and Carlos Gonzalez are one level below Pujols...
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
by guayzimi on Nov 22, 2010 6:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Albert Pujols should set his MVP award on fire
rather than give it to that no talent ass clown Joey Votto
by sociopath on Nov 22, 2010 6:54 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
that dude is super overrated
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
Mr. Great American F@#$in' Ballpark Joey Votto!
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
"You're gonna light my country music award on fire?"
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
From Miklasz'
90 Things piece about the Man, this is one of the most amazing to me:
“44 • Only 696 strikeouts in 10,972 major-league at-bats. He averaged only 37 strikeouts per season. He never struck out more than 46 times in a season and that happened at age 41. Through the end of the 2010 season, Arizona third baseman Mark Reynolds had fanned 767 times in 1,982 at-bats.”
Not so much the comparison to Reynolds, but just Musial’s K rate by itself. Damn.
by BTown Birds fan on Nov 22, 2010 7:49 PM EST reply actions
Hahaha
that’s 6.3% vs. 38.7%. Both are a bit unbelievable (in opposite ways). And we think Albert has a low strikeout rate.
by ArkansasTravs on Nov 22, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
It's great that "The Man" is making national news...
And is back in the spotlight. He was such a transcendent player. He has been such a gracious icon for St Louis. This piece by Bernie was pretty enjoyable to read.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Another mind-blower:
“79 • The Man batted .310 or better for 16 straight seasons.”
by BTown Birds fan on Nov 22, 2010 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
OT/handegg: Philip Rivers is gonna tear shit up tonight
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 8:07 PM EST reply actions
i was just about to mention this
this game has huge fantasy implications for my league. there’s fantasy players abound in this matchup. luckily, i have nothing riding on it. already got my 155 points with rodgers/jennings/foster. yep.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 22, 2010 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
is it wrong of me to laugh every time I see Roethlisberger or whatever the hell his name is
get pushed in the face and fall down? it’s super funny imo. what’s not funny is michael vick dominating lately. hoping the bears defense can get to him sunday
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
i hate michael vick.
and the raiders hitting roethlisberger was pretty classless, but still entertaining to watch.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 22, 2010 8:24 PM EST up reply actions
well, they were talking about how ben touched the guy, and nfl players do not touch, spit, or throw the ball at each other in between plays
plus, he’s a raider
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
i generally hate the raiders.
but i took a flyer on darren mcfadden in the late rounds this year and he’s lighting the world on fire. so i’m happy if he does well.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 22, 2010 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
yeah I have him on both my teams, he's been great up until vs the steelers
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
i sat him this week and reaped the benefits
saw that coming a mile away.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 22, 2010 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
That seems like a silly justification (not that I'm saying you're advocating it)
They touch each other all the time between plays when they’re milling around and heading back to their side of the line of scrimmage. They’re always bumping into each other because they don’t want to be the one to back down or change direction when they’re walking so they pretend the other guy isn’t there. I have no problems seeing Big Ben’s non-convicted ass knocked down though….
by BTown Birds fan on Nov 22, 2010 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, see last sentence
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
plus it looks funny
caught him off guard, and that huge dude was not in the mood obviously
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
fixed
I have no problems seeing Big Ben’s non-convicted ass charged with crimed ass knocked down though….
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
I assume your "fix" was supposed to be "non-charged with crimes"
instead of “charged with crimed.” Technically true, but given the amount of evidence from multiple independent witnesses, the behavior of the police that night, and the overall extremely low frequency with which sexual assault allegations – even extremely credible ones – are prosecuted, anyone who attaches a lot of significance to the fact that he wasn’t charged is delusional.
by BTown Birds fan on Nov 22, 2010 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sorry, Evilfrog - I shouldn't have posted that
It was unfair of me to imply that you were delusional, and more generally this clearly crosses the “no politics/religion/controversial societal stuff” line. If a kind mod would be willing to delete my post, it would be appreciated. Otherwise, here’s the follow-up apology post.
by BTown Birds fan on Nov 22, 2010 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
just delusional with Evilfrog superpowers
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
i don't get offended
so no worries. I was just pointing out a technicality, OJ was not convicted, Kobe settled out of court, Ben has never been charged (with anything besides ridding a motorcycle without a license)
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
might be a shoot out, denver already scored
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
scifres to tolbert
LOL
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 9:04 PM EST up reply actions
and another trick play heh
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
did you know the Rams lead their division in net points?
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
Wow - that divison sucks soooo bad
It’s great that the Rams are somewhat resurgent and that even most of their losses have been competitive. But the NFC West looks worse than the 2006 NL Central (not that I’m complaining about that outcome!). Folks are speculating about the first full-season losing-record playoff team coming out of the NFC West this year. Suckity-suck-suck.
by BTown Birds fan on Nov 22, 2010 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
that division is unbelievably awful
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
the other thing I just figured out is that the Packers are really really good
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
someone will go 8-8
it’s not going to be 7-9.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 22, 2010 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
and its probably not gonna be the Rams
unless they figure out a way to start winning on the road
by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 22, 2010 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
unfortunately its going to be seattle
as bad as we both hate that.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
something something dave duncan something something
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
fuck seattle
if they luck their way into the division i’m going to shit a brick.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 22, 2010 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
rams have to win 4 of their last 6
unfortunately, 4 of their last 6 are on the road. it’s going to have to include beating either seattle or denver on the road.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 22, 2010 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
and one of their home games is against the Chiefs
who are no cake walk either….
i think we win one of the three upcoming away games (I’d guess Arizona cause there QB is worse than Rams QB in ’09….
by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 22, 2010 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
arizona blows
really sucks the rams got them the first game of the year. we blow them out at home otherwise. i still think that seattle game at the end of the year could very easily be for the division. and that would fucking rule.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 22, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
very well could be
agree on the first game of the year and i’d add oakland to that list as well…
I think the 49er game is equally important, maybe not in terms of winning the division, but moreso in terms of a loss ruins our chances of winning the division and makes the seattle game pointless
still can’t believe Sando picked Arizona to win division at the midpoint – he’s normally very smart in that type of stuff
by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 22, 2010 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
Apropos of nothing, if anyone wants a couple of unsolicited book recommendations
In The Woods and its sequel (sort of – takes place several months later with an overlapping set of characters, anyway) The Likeness, by Tana French. I finished In The Woods a bit ago and and ~1/3 through The Likeness. Engrossing murder mysteries with really fascinating, complex character development. She writes great dialogue and can really turn a phrase too. I’m a little surprised there’s not a movie in the works yet for In The Woods (at least from what IMDB tells me).
by BTown Birds fan on Nov 22, 2010 8:12 PM EST reply actions
Superb article, DanUp!
As usual!
"Beckett’s retired 19 batters through Six and a third innings, he’s having a phenomonal night…" --Tim McCarver
agreed
I think the rule 5 draft is one of the weirder parts about baseball, kinda neat
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
It rectifies what used to be a major problem...
the rich teams would vacuum up all the talent and just stash it in the farm system to keep it away from other teams. Sucked for the players and the league.
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
ah loopholes
what would money do without you
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
has anyone ever had sweet potato potato chips?
have mercy! where have these things been all my life?
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Another thing I loved about Super Smokers- the sweet potato fries.
Sweet potato chips are good too.
Too stupid and sissy-like to say that you want out.
You make the eyes of a million girls and think you'll make them shout.
by The Continental on Nov 22, 2010 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
dude, we actually made sweet potato chips in the fryer a few weeks ago
awesome
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
i know right? holy crap these are good!
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
!!!
Those are yummy! We had some sweet potato chips when my gf and I went to Toronto on vacation. One of many excellent items we enjoyed whilst there.
"Beckett’s retired 19 batters through Six and a third innings, he’s having a phenomonal night…" --Tim McCarver
by kallawaykid on Nov 23, 2010 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
Riverrat is soo pissed off right now
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Gonzaga is getting their arse handed to them in basketball at KC by KState
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
oh completely forgot about that sport..
isn’t Gonzaga the school that almost went to the final four but melted down when their star started sobbing on the court?
notreadyforprimetime
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
I don't know what you're talking about.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
that was like 5 years ago man
they’re actually a good team & one of my faves to watch & root for. no matter how many RR hurls insults at me
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Fuck you.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
oh wow, i'm sorry my robotic friend
when you’re GDM’s brain twin, it just might be time for you to reexamine your life’s choices
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Said if I was richer, I'd still be with her.
Now ain’t that some shit.
Though there’s pain in my chest,
I still wish you the best with a
Fuck you
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
I was hungry, so I grabbed a Guinness.
Ahhhhh.
Too stupid and sissy-like to say that you want out.
You make the eyes of a million girls and think you'll make them shout.
by The Continental on Nov 22, 2010 11:14 PM EST reply actions
this is kind of pretty
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
for me to poop on
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
by gdm426 on Nov 22, 2010 11:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I wish this started a discussion similiar to the music one above
with arguments over the best series.
OT: i know this is old and probably been linked here before
but is this not the greatest thing ever?
Jimmy Fallon is actually fantastic when he's doing impressions
or getting his guests to partake in absurdity. The history of rap he did with Justin Timberlake was awesome. Or the duet he set up between Jeff Goldblum and Biz Markie. It’s just that when he’s doing a monologue or interview and is constantly smirking and laughing at his own jokes, I really want to punch him in the face.
i hope there's a special place reserved for him hell for that shitty ass movie he made in 04
he’s not funny & he always laughs at his own jokes. seriously, fuck him
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
I actually really like jimmy fallon as a late show host, and I didn't like him much on SNL
he’s got some great skits going on. My favorites are the Head Swap sketches, in which terrible things keep happening around the office while they try to set up a really trite segment about celebrity photoshopping.
Then there’s Wheel of Carpet Samples, which reminds me of a live, ongoing version of that SNL Japanese game show skit with Chris Farley. He makes the same jokes every time they do the sketch, there are all kinds of unexplained things that riff on running jokes that aren’t there, etc.
The Ashes starts on Thursday, anyone interested?
Anyone have a source to watch it (live or delayed)?
Too stupid and sissy-like to say that you want out.
You make the eyes of a million girls and think you'll make them shout.
by The Continental on Nov 23, 2010 12:27 AM EST reply actions
Vivaelpujols is under 18?
I’m not near as surprised by the lack of posts he promised as I was
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Nov 23, 2010 12:38 AM EST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
good game
http://www.kongregate.com/games/glimajr/continuity
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
Grace Slick is totally cool with threesomes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Aej9wmoQ7M
Fire John Mozeliak
OK so i watched 2 of the 3 local sports tonight & sure enough
no mention of Votto’s MPV. now in their defense it’s OSU/Michigan week so they are too busy with their hands down their pants pleasuring themselves over a game that really should be over by half time if OSU takes care of business. now i’m sure all the natti’s tv stations were all over it, and maybe even some of ctown’s, but per usual, cbus’s TV channels ignored anything baseball related. such is life in central ohio. now the dispatch may have something up tomorrow, but as of now the local paper has ignored the story as well.
i’d also like to thank everyone for the congrats, kind word & rec’s regarding my seemingly never ending job search finally being over. we’re coming up on the 3rd anniversary of dad’s passing in a couple weeks, so this comes at the exact perfect time. sure i wish it would have happened two years ago when i started looking, but like the saying goes, good things come to those who wait. and hopefully this is the starting of some very good things. it means a lot to me that so many of you commented & rec’d, i honestly never expected anything like that. you all once again proved why VEB is not only the best site for baseball knowledge, but the best site period. so once again, i thank you. thank you very much.
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
by gdm426 on Nov 23, 2010 2:27 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Holy crap you're right
These are far less interesting to read through when you’re not participating
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
so's your face
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
by gdm426 on Nov 23, 2010 3:10 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
BOOSH!
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Nov 23, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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