Party Hardy
by azruavatar on Nov 21, 2010 2:00 AM EST
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PrintI haven't been as prevalent in the comments as I'd like recently so it's entirely possible that I missed the excoriation but Dan Uggla for Omar Infante? Really? I mean, Infante is a nice utility player with an average bat that plays at multiple positions but Dan Uggla is, historically, a dramatically better bat and player.
If I recall correctly, the salary of Dan Uggla wasn't the issue as John Mozeliak noted but they weren't sure they matched up on players. John Mozeliak wasn't willing to beat Mike Dunn and Omar Infante? Really? I'm extremely disappointed in what seems like a huge miss for the Cardinals and, perhaps, further underscores the misguided commitment to Skip Schumaker, regardless of how attractive he may or may not be. Where was the outrage? Where was the scathing takedown?
I will again apply myself to some humble begging. If Dan Uggla is off the market, I'll set my sights a little lower and look to the Twins and J.J. Hardy. I'm a strong proponent of the club retaining Brendan Ryan for several reasons: 1) He's an elite defender and that seemingly remains an undervalued asset in this instance and 2) there is no viable shortstop in the Cardinals system in the near term.
So the Cardinals need to retain Brendan Ryan but that's not really an advocacy against acquiring J. J. Hardy. For me, Hardy is that utility guy that the Cardinals have lacked for a couple of years. Trying to fill that role with the likes of Aaron Miles and Joe Thurston -- 307 PAs in 2009 -- has been woefully unsuccessful. Hardy is probably never going to return to the 4 WAR heyday of 2007 & 2008 but he's been worth between 1-2 wins over the last two years. He's still got the glovework to play shortstop and he nicely compliments Schumaker as a platoon. As reasonable insurance against Freese looking more like this in 2011, JJ Hardy seems like an ideal fit for the Cardinals. At the least, the Twins are listening and I'd certainly prefer Hardy to a Miguel Tejada alternative.
If JJ Hardy gets traded for Willie Bloomquist later this week and the Cardinals don't even sniff at him, I'm going to write angry comments on a fan blog that may or may not be read by the front office.
The Cardinals made some prospect cuts to the 40-man roster yesterday. None of them were particularly surprising. It's been difficult to reach this point with DJ Tools aka Daryl Jones though. Jones was drafted in 2005 with real hype around the multi-sport athlete. Speed was always his primary asset but Jones was projected to develop above average power. Regardless of how he's viewed now, at the time he was considered a potential impact player at the draft.
Ranked the #11 Cardinal prospect by Baseball America in 2006, he drew comparisons to Kenny Lofton. He was lauded for his defense projecting to be a potential center fielder. One of the narratives that would develop later in his career was a week arm but at draft time he had enough arm to play right field.
There's no doubt that Jones has floundered since the draft. That's the primary reason he's be dropped from the Cardinals' 40 man roster. He was and remains a talented player. There are pervasive rumors and questions -- from people in a position to know -- about his work ethic and attitude. With the emergence of Adron Chambers and the continued lack of production from Jones, he's seen as less of a necessary prospect and more of a high upside project with decreasing chances of reaching that ultimate projection.
It's very difficult to know what the real story is here. I'm crafting a narrative based on what I know from the outside and from people close to the situation. The point is that it's foolish to blame anyone in the Cardinals system every time a prospect doesn't develop. Sometimes it's the prospect's fault. Sometimes, it's no one's fault. Sometimes, the player development system has failed and others the prospect was just never that good in the first place. If you're going to write a forlorn tale of the lost prospect, DJ Tools seems like an worthy script protagonist.
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He hasn't. He's asleep already
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
the marlins missed our full scorn since they announced the trade like twenty
Minutes before the westbrook signing.
I did describe the trade in vivid terms in the westbrook thread.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Nov 21, 2010 2:08 AM EST via mobile reply actions
just another staggering decision by jmo et al
kind of numb tothe dumb that goes on in the FO
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
i'm not even looking at that other thread
i’m afraid of what happened in the last couple hours to merit 300 new comments
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it is worse than you imagine
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
Following the instructions of my peers:
Porsche. Or First…something like that.
Bob Feller is THE prime example of a cranky old man...working with him a 8:00 AM has to be one of the most dangerous jobs in America.
Really though...
Can the Cardinals actually beat Infante?
I know, everyone here seems convinced that Tyler Greene is really a superstar (or at least a starter) if he’s just given a chance. But I don’t think that view is shared by anyone else.
Or hey, maybe they would have taken Pete Kozma? Or Skip?
And the trouble with trading Ryan is that they need another season of Tony (and of course the STL media) bad mouthing him to completely destroy any trade value he has, as per usual Cardinals SOP
Infante isn't that good though
Skip + Anderson or someone is as good or better a value than Infante.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 21, 2010 4:18 AM EST up reply actions
no, probably not
skip has no value. Anderson has some. But we could beat that trade.
Fire John Mozeliak
Skip has some value
He was close to league average in 2009 and 2008, one bad BABIP season does not negate his value.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 21, 2010 4:46 AM EST up reply actions
okay, but not more than Infante
who was close to league average in 2009 and above league average in 2010.
Fire John Mozeliak
Hence, Skip + Anderson = Infante
In fact, Anderson is probably too much.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 21, 2010 4:59 AM EST up reply actions
Disagree
one bad BABIP season does not negate his value.
His babip was .294 last year, which isn’t particularly bad or unlucky. HIs career babip is .320, but I think that’s inflated and luck-influenced. I see nothing in his skill set (no speed, no power) that makes me think he should be any better than an avg. major leaguer (about .300) in that regard.
Omar Infante is 2 almost years younger than Skip, he’s competent defensively and versatile (Skip is neither), he is $200K cheaper that Skip, in 380 fewer PAs over the last two years Omar has been worth 2.6 fWAR more than Skip (and the trends are going in opposite directions), Omar will defnitely be at least a Type B FA next year (worth another $2.6MM) while Skip is much less likely to be and wouldn’t be worth offering arb to anyway.
Last year, Skip Schumaker was literally the LEAST valuable 2B in the entire majors who had at least 400 PAs. That’s 27th out of 27.
Omar Infante is a pefectly fine, capable, relatively cheap option at 2B for the Marlins who can step in and play right now, next season. The Cards have no one like that on their roster.
We should stop pretending the Cards had any package available that was remotely like what Uggla was traded for – a good ML-ready 2B, and cheap, ML-level LH relief pitching. In fact that package is exactly what the Cards don’t have right now.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 21, 2010 11:35 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
i have to second this opinion
in addition to being older than Infante, less valuable defensively, and coming off a terrible season, Schumaker also has a severe platoon limitation - he can’t hit lefties. he’s a significantly worse option than Infante is, and there’s no reason the Marlins should have preferred Skip over Omar.
the other overlooked factor is Mike Dunn, the relief pitcher Atlanta threw into the trade. Dunn struck out 12 men per 9 innings in each of the last two minor-league seasons, then fanned 13 per 9 innings (and had a sub-2 ERA) in his 25 games with the Braves. he throws close to 100 mph and is, in essence, where Jason Motte was 2 seasons ago - or slightly ahead of where Eduardo Sanchez is today. so basically the Braves gave up a better version of Sanchez plus a better version of Schumaker. i don’t see how the Cardinals beat that package painlessly.
by lboros on Nov 21, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Agreed.
I would just add that such that the Marlins were looking for LH relief in particular (or that Dunn was more desirable to the Marlins because he was LH), the Cards have no one who’s comparable to him at all.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 21, 2010 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
I don't disagree that the Cardinals lack a Omar Infante/Mike Dunn type player
but I struggle to reconcile that with the notion that they couldn’t “beat” that package. If the Marlins were very narrow in their desired return for Uggla, then sure that’s true but why would Larry Beinfest limit himself to a LHRP and a versatile but underwhelming utility guy for Dan Uggla? That doesn’t quite add up for me.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
This.
The Marlins, of all teams, seem least focused on need in the context of trades made for value. Sure, we didn’t have Infante and Dunn, but we had people as valuable, and considering the value included in the package, I don’t really think it’s crazy to think we couldn’t have done better.
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
there may be a proximity factor to this
the Marlins and the Cardinals share ST facilities. maybe the Marlins are too under-manned to scout properly, but it’s not hard for them to look out their front door every March. it’s possible they simply didn’t want to deal with the devil they knew.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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I'm thinking,
that the reason that they asked for Colby, is because that’s all we had that they wanted.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
maybe, maybe not
They reportedly asked the Braves for Prado first, and were stilling eventually willing to accept Infante+Dunn. Even though we inquired, I still think it came down to the money. Not much you can do about that, though it still leaves a sour taste in my mouth.
it's like a still
only better
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AZ, agreed that
the marlins got surprisingly little for uggla. but even if we break out of the 2b / lhrp package, who could we have given them? infante is a pretty reliable 1.5 to 2.0 WAR player who can approach 3.0 WAR in a good year and only makes $2.5 million. who do we have that even remotely fits that profile?
well, there’s rasmus; they asked for him and mo rightly told them no.
there’s jaime garcia; not gonna happen either.
there’s schumaker, but as we discussed above you can’t blame beinfest for preferring omar to skip
there’s brendan ryan, but the marlins already have an SS and ryan’s glove value (which is all he has) diminishes at 2B.
and that’s pretty much it. everyone else on the roster either is too important to be traded, a lot more expensive than infante, or -- in most cases -- still establishing their true value. it might be obvious to us that 4 to 6 years of freese, craig, motte, descalso, or lance lynn would have been a better pickup than omar infante - but FLA might not regard them as highly as we do, and / or they might already have comparable players in their system.
in any case, would it really serve the cards’ interest to spend 6 years of allen craig or 4 years of freese on 1 year of dan uggla @ $10m? it’s not clear the cards come out ahead.
names like tyler greene and bryan anderson don’t really have a place in this discussion; it’s no better than 50/50 that either of them will produce more than 2.0 or 3.0 WAR in his entire career. we do have lots of RH relief arms, but most teams do. including FLA.
so i keep coming back to - what’s package of players could mo have offered that would have been clearly more attractive than what FLA received? i can’t answer that question.
Skip + Anderson + Salas/Motte/Boggs/Sanchez
I think you are seriously overrating the difference between Skip and Infante. Both were very similar players up until last year, and BABIP aside, they were very similar last year.
Anderson is more than enough to make up the difference between those two.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 21, 2010 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
the best-case for skip
is to say that he and infante are equivalent as hitters. there’s no case to be made that schumaker is a better hitter than infante, but it can be argued that their 2010 differences are mostly a reflection of randomness rather than true talent. even if i accept that they’re both true .730ish hitters, one of them is a neutral defender at 2b (and can play ss and 3b to boot) and the other is worth 1.0 WAR at 2b; one of them is a liability against left-handed pitchers, and the other isn’t. the best argument you can make is that skip is 1.0 WAR worse than infante -— who is himself a player of limited value.
the StL relievers you’ve named aren’t equivalent to dunn because they’re all righties. the marlins don’t need RH relief help; they need lefts, and we don’t have one to offer.
so if i look at the package you’re proposing, we’re starting with a less valuable 2bman and a less valuable (in FLA’s eyes) reliever. anderson helps to make up the difference, but does he make the package a clear-cut winner over ATL’s package? debatable. i agree w/ you that anderson has value - i think the guy can probably hit, and it was outrageous that TLR froze him out in september. but it’s also true that plenty of teams have had the opportunity to acquire him over the last couple of years and there have been no takers. he has the same limitations as schumaker - he’s subpar defensively and he’s got a crippling platoon split vs LHP. unless the marlins think he can start for them at some point, he doesn’t add enough to make your offer more appealing to them than ATL’s.
Right the difference between Skip and Infante is about 1 WAR next year
And they have the same salary. I think that 6 years of cost controlled Anderson is worth as much or more than 1 WAR in 2011.
And I wouldn’t really say that the LH vs. RH difference is a dealbreaker. Motte is enough of a better pitcher than Dunn to make it work.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 22, 2010 1:32 AM EST up reply actions
but you're not
the GM of the marlins. if he doesn’t share your opinion about the LH-RH difference, or about Anderson’s value, then the deal doesn’t happen.
and that’s why i’m not willing to criticize mozeliak for missing a slam-dunk opportunity to steal dan uggla from the marlins. i’m not convinced there was a slam-dunk trade sitting there for him to make. we don’t know whether mozeliak offered a deal like the one you’ve outlined here, and we don’t know whether it would have been accepted if offered.
by lboros on Nov 22, 2010 2:56 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It seems like I'm supposed to argue this from FLA's standpoint
and accept a premise that they don’t know about our farm system. Because if they don’t have the same view of “4 to 6 years of freese, craig, motte, descalso, or lance lynn” being better than Omar Infante, sure, you’re going to win that argument. That seems like an unreasonable constraint though.
I’d also note that Mike Dunn isn’t nearly as good as you sell him to be above given that he has almost no control to speak of. Comparing him in to Jason Motte or Eduardo Sanchez may be accurate in K/9 but he walks 2-3 times as many guys.
We can go back on forth on what we think or what we think FLA should think is a better package. I think that there are comparable packages that STL could have offered and I’m perplexed by the seeming lack of activity by the Cardinals front office.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
Why perplexed?
They’re not going to $106 million for Dan Uggla. That seems obvious to me, from what I’ve read.
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
I'm trying to come up with something objective...
A comparable trade from the Cards perspective would have been:
2009 Brendan Ryan (fresh off a 2.7 WAR season, like Infante is this year – let’s pretend 2010 never happened for Ryan) and Eduardo Sanchez (a B- prospect, like Dunn).
David Freese and Sanchez. (We’ll say Coughlan plays 2nd and Matt Dominguez is two years away). This assumes Freese would get a clean bill of health and was fully recovered from injury (which he’s not, but we’re pretending). Freese has more years of team control than Infante, but he’s not really young, he’s more risky for next year than Infante, and he won’t be Type B at the end of the season and won’t net a draft pick.
I actually still don’t think FLA would have taken either package but it’s probably closer to what would have been needed.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 21, 2010 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
Why do you think Infante is so good?
This man has been the defition of mediocrity throughout his entire career, he has one good season aided by a .355 BABIP and suddently he’s more valuable than David Freese (cost controlled, younger, and just as good as Infante in 2010).
by vivaelpujols on Nov 21, 2010 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think Infante is "so good."
Though I think he’s significantly better than Skip (which isn’t saying much).
I think he’s ready to play 2B for the Marlins next year at a 2WAR level, he’s pretty cheap, he’s in his prime, and he’ll net a Type B pick. The Marlins have to have someone to play 2B so this is a pretty big, immediate need.
Their marginal need for that is worth more (much more) than the chance that 3-4 years from now, they’ll be paying Freese less money than he’s worth on the open market. The value of that is diminished by time, risk of injury or poor performance, not to mention the chance that he’ll be replaced by a better player (say Matt Domniguez).
(Btw, Freese had a .376 BABIP last year, so his value over that limited time was inflated, just as Infante’s was).
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 21, 2010 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
and he can play 3 positions better than skip can play one
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
AZ, there's a good possibility the marlins
already have clones of allen craig (or david freese, or lance lynn, etc.) in their system. these players are not special talents; they’ve got value, but it’s not the type of value that is hard to duplicate. these are all 1.0 to 2.0 WAR players with 3.0 WAR upside. i don’t dislike them as players -- i hope they all get chances to contribute. but i can understand why other teams seem to shrug their shoulders at these guys. they’re good but they don’t stand out. the minors are full of roughly equivalent players.
i know your next point - omar infante is not hard to duplicate either. i agree with you there. but i don’t think the cards can duplicate infante, at least not without hurting themselves.
and that’s really a large part of the point. if the marlins needed a cost-controlled RF and said “we’ll take allen craig,” would you give him up for 1 year of uggla? i don’t think i’d do it. the org’s talent base is just not deep enough at the moment; they can’t afford to spend cost-controlled talent for rentals. they overdid that in 2009, and it’s left them with limited options in 2010 and 2011.
i really don't think we'd be in a much better situation
even with all of wallace, peterson, mortenson, perez and todd in the org still. we’d still have all the same holes and then maybe a hole in LF
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probably true
none of those guys was going to have a role in st louis. but they did have value to other orgs, and the cards chose to cash it in on short-term rentals rather than longer-term assets. you can only do that so many times before it catches up to you.
Skip Schumaker's WAR the past three seasons
2008: 2.3
2009: 1.5
2010: -.2
He’s clearly above replacement level. And given that his career BABIP is .322 (in a sizable amount of plate appearances), a .294 mark is unlucky.
Omar Infante is better than Skip, but let’s be real here. He had a .355 BABIP last year (compared to a career average of .313 – lower than Skip’s). If his BABIP was .294 like Skip, he would not have been a very good player at all.
Statcorner’s adjusted wOBA (for batted ball stats and park factors) has Skip at .336 last year, compared to .329 for Infante.
http://statcorner.com/batter.php?id=408299
In addition, Schumaker’s been better than Infante in previous years. It would be highly specious to say that Infante is an obviously better hitter than Skip going forward, which means the difference lies in their defense. The largest difference you could assign do their defense is +10 runs for Infante, which would make him a 1 WAR better player than Skip.
Given that their contract status’ are virtually the same, their age’s are virtually the same (for a one year deal), that 1 WAR could easily be filled by adding another player to the mix.
As for the ML-level LH relief pitching, we clearly have that in Sanchez. I would think the Marlins would have also taken Motte or Boggs or Salas.
I propose that a package of Skip + Anderson/Greene + Salas would be as good or better than the package the Braves gave up.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 21, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
In fact, all three S's are righties
the 3 guys I’m always getting mixed up: Eduardo Sanchez, Fernando Salas, Francisco Samuel.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 21, 2010 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
there should only be two now
salas spent significant time with the big club
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Skip Schumaker was literally the worst regular 2Bman in baseball last year.
And he’s older and more expensive this year.
Btw, nice try with the “Schumaker’s been better than Infante in previous years.” When was this? In 2008, when Skip was an outfielder? In 2009, when Skip had 367 more PAs than Infante but was just .3 WAR better?
Even after all the “adjustments” you give Skip, you still end up agreeing that Infante will be a full 1 WAR better player than him next year. I think that’s low but even so, you can’t make up that difference just by throwing another 1 WAR player on the end of the deal. You can’t trade two nickels for a dime, when only one coin can be used. Salas is a fungible player and so are Anderson/Greene.
The Marlins would not be able to hang up fast enough on Skip + Anderson/Greeene + Salas deal. No one wants that poo-poo platter of fungible RH-relief, stalled former prospects, and the worst 2B in major league baseball.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 21, 2010 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
Let's stop with the bullshit
Skip’s career wOBA is .325, Infante’s is .312. Let’s give Infante some credit for his incredibly lucky 2010, and Skip’s unlucky 2010, as well as aging and call them even going forward with the bat.
I’ll grant that Infante is a win better defender than Skip, even though that’s stretching it a little bit. So let’s call Infante 1 WAR better over a full season than Skip next year. Since their salaries are the same, the only difference is production.
As for Dunn, he’s a 25 year old reliever with solid numbers in the minors (despite abhorrent control). Salas is the same age has been just as good. Those two are fungible as far as I’m concerned.
Are you really arguing that 6 years of cost controlled Anderson is not worth a 1 WAR difference in 2010? Really?
by vivaelpujols on Nov 21, 2010 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
Salas is a C prospect and Dunn is a B-. No one in baseball, including the Marlins would think they were even. That’s no bullshit.
We’ll make a bet – assuming both Infante and Skip get 500 PAs at 2B (or some fair amount between 400-600 that we can extrapolate from), I’ll bet Omar is more than 1 WAR better than Skip next year. If he’s not I’ll send you a Skip Schumaker jersey. If he is, you can send me a TLR shersey.
Six years of Bryan Anderson is worth my ball-sweat.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 21, 2010 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
Jersey vs. Shersy.....
I’d take those odds.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Nov 21, 2010 8:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He's in high school (I think), so I didn't want to make the bet onerous.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 21, 2010 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
I'm just saying, as a betting man and income level not withstanding,
those are about 20-1 odds….I’d take that just for the thrill alone.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I figure a shersey was like $20 bucks...
You think a jersey is +$400? I’m not getting it signed by Schumaker (would that devalue it?). I was thinking more like a Majestic replica or something.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 21, 2010 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
Mitchell and Hess....
$300 +,
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
although, no Skip.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Also ,
linki, if you want an original jersey, these guy’s are legit.
And they’re proud of it.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Fine, replace Salas with Sanchez or Boggs or Motte
Boggs are Motte are certainly better than Dunn given that they have had major league success.
I’ll take that bet any day, you argumentative fuck. Infante’s been an above average player once in his career and he needed a .355 BABIP to do so.
6 free year’s of Bryan Anderson is worth more than 1 WAR in 2011, I don’t know how to go about explaining this concept to you, so maybe I should just address your ball sweat given that it seems to be the excrement of all your intelligence.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 21, 2010 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but come on my ball sweat comment was pretty good
by vivaelpujols on Nov 21, 2010 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
indeed
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
You gotta learn the difference between arguing and calling names.
I certainly haven’t called you any names (and don’t care to personally insult precocious high school kids) . I’m just disagreeing with your analysis.
Nevetheless, good that you’ll take the bet. I’ll try hard to remember it near the end of next year as I hope you will.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 21, 2010 9:17 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
well,
you just called him precocious, so i guess you lost that moral high ground, eh?
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by prophetjohn on Nov 21, 2010 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
I read it as precious.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
i think i just made myself look dumb anyway
precocious means the opposite of what i thought it meant
where’s that edit function!
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by prophetjohn on Nov 21, 2010 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, that was very well played by WMT.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
maybe?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
skip can only play 2B and maybe some OF...
doesn’t infante play ss and 2B ?
You fit into me
like a hook into an eye
a fish hook
an open eye
you're such a pleasant person to converse with
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you seem sensitive. vep doesn't seem like a shrinking violet so I guessing I'm not hurting his feelings.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 21, 2010 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
I think both of you sometimes forget that this is the internet
and your “private conversation” is being read by all of VEB, who are free to draw their own conclusions.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I forget that every time i come on here
the difference is that i usually spill hugely personal details leading to comedy and am incredibly drunk. thus rendering me completly unaccountable for my own actions.
You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
but you're not arguing baseball with your hugely... uh. whatever it is.
protip, fellows:
one cannot be both persuasive and douchey at the same time.
your ideas are well-thought out but there are huge sections of people who simply do not care to read them.
do not sit there in surprise someone does not take you seriously.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I'm usually surprised,
when someone does take me seriously.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
but you're a leading authority on kegs
of course we listen to you.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
speaking of....
I need to clean my lines.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Trust me,
you don’t want this
in bed…..it’s some where around 13 or 14 ph…..nasty fookin burns. Dip your hands in vinegar to neutralize kind of crap.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
uh huh
Barman wear i used to works got scars all over his hands from this shit.
You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
I made the mistake of rubbing my forehead while I was wearing the rubber gloves to clean....
It’s one of those takes 4 minutes to start burning chemical burns, and by then you’re already fucked, kind of burns….chemical burns are awful.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Funny story....
I lost a glass of beer today….found after I poured another.
I might have a problem.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Confucious say
one cannot be both persuasive and douchey at the same time.
You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
i gotta go, so...
the reverse is true
if you strive to be douchey all the time, one assumes - rightly or wrongly - that you’re just writing to be douchey, rather than to persuade.
(it ruins a lot of otherwise passable satire, but that’s another chapter.)
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
see, i got sbn'd
clearly my time is up
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
For the record
I kinda think that Tyler Greene sucks and will never stick as a start at the major league level. Not everyone here is high on him.
i thought he had value and now i'm not so sure
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
He had value until he got his cup of coffee and then proceeded to drop every fifth ball hit to him.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 21, 2010 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not that high on Greene, T. either
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 21, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
So how valuable
Is a guy like Mark Hamilton as a trade chip?
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
almost zero value
Guys like that are fungible (sorry, Mark). Maybe Mark Hamilton can be something like Garrett Jones. Maybe. But so what…there are lots of guys like him (can hit, no defense, limited positionally) all over the minor leagues.
Put it this way – Mark Hamilton is like 26-27 y/o, and a C-level prospect in one of the worst minor league systems. There are probably 20 prospects in every system that have more value than him.
Mark Hamilton might useful to the Cards if Albert Pujols gets hurt. Then he can start against RHP while Albert is on the DL.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 21, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
Oh.. Oh god. It's so early...
But see you beezies in the home state
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
by mysterui on Nov 21, 2010 8:49 AM EST via mobile reply actions
OT: My flatmates have found a screwdriver and a hammer and are fixing/destroying everything they can find
WOO PARTY HARD
I need a witty tagline
I just took apart a 32 inch tv to try to fix it
Couldn’t figure out how to put it back together. Selling it for parts now
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 21, 2010 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
Sorry, Flim.
But this really made me laugh. You’ve had a bad couple of days, man.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 21, 2010 9:29 AM EST reply actions
It was broken when I got it
I bought a 32 inch LCD for $25 off craigslist. It powers on, the back light comes up, and has sound. But no picture. I thought it was just the power inverted and replaced it. Still the same problem. I didn’t see any blown capacitors so not sure what is wrong. The company went out of business (Astar) so I can sell the parts for probably over $200 on ebay.
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 21, 2010 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
Good move then.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 21, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
Anyone know when the projection systems start to come out
Looks like Bill James is out but not a fan of his to much.
I am a BIG fan of JJ Hardy. Those he has been through some hard times but nevertheless he is still a super star. This season is going to be tough and entertaining for Hardy at the same time. Don’t know what’s up for him in the future and would surely like to wish him the bests of lucks! Love you Hardy!!
Michael Jordan in his prime
better, but more expensive than the roach
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
What's the logic on Ottavino?
We didn’ t need the extra roster spot. He doesn’t make much money. He really can’t do anything but improve his situation going forward unless he blows his shoulder out. Surely he will be worth more than $50K over the next year. Why would they do this now?
Just win
they don't like his face
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 21, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
1) Shoulder injury so he may make it past the draft
2) The MLB coaching staff isn’t high on him
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
there is a growing list of these guys
yeah, they might be worthless, but maybe they’re not worthless to some other idiot.
I did mention fleecing other teams — which is quite possible, thanks Marlins.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 21, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
Doing this provides them an extra spot on the 40 man roster.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
They also save money (albeit pennies) by not paying Ottavino for being on the 40 man roster.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
you think uribe will settle for $4MM?
i think he’ll get something like 2/$10MM and i’m scared that mo’ will be the one giving it to him
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
I just pulled that number out of the air, really.
I didn’t have a particular player or price point in mind, just annoyed at the seeming likelihood that the Birds are apparently intent on replacing someone who, despite a near-historically awful season with the bat, still managed to have positive value to the team, and someone who’s comparatively cheap, at that.
Look, despite the idea of the save boog rally that we tossed about, I’m not wedded to Boog at shortstop. If there’s an upgrade to be made, I’m all for doing it – I just don’t think any of the names we’ve seen will produce results any better than a full season of Ryan, left alone and allowed to work, would. If they want to bring on Uribe and/or Tejada as insurance, fine. I don’t think, however, Uribe would be down with that role, nor do I think he or Tejada would be used in such a role, given the manager involved.
It’s a strange feeling, really. I find myself hoping the Cards end up missing out on a lot of their free agent targets. I also keep hoping that someone in the org will have a “look, this is how it’s going to be” talk with TLR, but I don’t think that’s going to happen. All I’m left with is the hope that the Cards win the series and TLR rides of into the sunset.
maybe they can act as if they are going after these guys to appease TLR
but then not sign any of ‘em. I could totally see Mozeliak doing this, he’s gotta be a pretty savvy GM to work around all the factions within the org (TLR, Dewitt, Luhnow, etc)… while still making some moves work out (the Ludwick for Westbrook move needs to be looked at under a different light now that Westbrook is returning).
I’m definitely not saying the guy is an amazing GM, but he is doing a decent job of working with his specific restraints. this free agent market is so underwhelming it’s as if the major move has already been made in re-signing Jake Westbrook. the best thing to do is wait and see if Orlando Hudson could be had for a bit of a bargain, and of course the Albert Pujols contract talks in December will parlay the offseason signings.
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 21, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
My sincere fear
is that the Cards will give up something of value in a trade for Jason Bartlett, a guy who, at best, is only marginally better than Ryan is. He’s actually probably no better than Ryan but he’ll be more expensive, cost us a player or players and be inserted into the leadoff spot in the order under the premise that we’ve solved our middle infield problems.
Uribe will get an every day job. Now, that may be in St Louis as our starting SS but he will not become a super-sub type player in the mold of Felipe Lopez. He’s going to get 550 PAs, not 400.
yeah, I think I was hoping he would be in that role but at this point in his career he will probably have to remain a starting SS
but would he move over to second? unfortunately Mozeliak has indicated that they are sticking with Schumaker… that just doesn’t seem like the correct decision somehow.
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 21, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
Probably because it's a terrible decision,
since Schumaker is the lower ceiling, lower floor, lower average projected player of our two projected MIF starters. He’s the exact person we should be looking to replace.
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
last sentence was sarcastic
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 21, 2010 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
So, uh, sorry about yesterday's thread
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Everyone's apologizing,
now I’ve gotta go read it.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
fang claimed VEP had sex with my fiancee!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I hear VEP's a sexy sum bitch.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
you talk to yourself a lot
?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Doesn't seem like a big deal ...
unless he also claimed she enjoyed it.
ceterum censeo, delendo est Joe Strauss
Seems like 11:00 my time things started going off the rails.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
what did i say about midnight
if SBN had an after hours setting to hide comments during working hours, VEB would abuse it in two seconds
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Secret Weapon still a Cardinal
Mets will hire Terry Collins as new manager.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 21, 2010 6:13 PM EST reply actions
Oh god
M’s guy just emailed me back. Asked for my resume. VICTORY
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
by mysterui on Nov 21, 2010 7:32 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
You should send him mine, it'll look more impressive
by vivaelpujols on Nov 21, 2010 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
...
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Sorry there's a height requirement bro
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
What might you be doing?
And, is this the dude that blew you off for lunch?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I dunno. Probably area scout or something like that
And yes.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
he's jerking you around!
oh wait. wrong advice thread.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Drunk Aranathor is currently my favorite poster on VEB
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
so far
this name seems redundant
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Other redundant VEB names
Archiving and/or multitasking Y2S
Naive zoomzoom
Feisty spants
Creepily random FlimFlam
Short and lame VEP
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I thought it was
stabby Spants?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 22, 2010 1:07 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
so, euphemism is a euphemism for Spants?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 22, 2010 1:20 AM EST up reply actions
The man has a point
but theres someting romantic about redundancy
You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
We need to save that thread for posterity
so when our children are reading VEB on the hypertubes they’ll see what life was really like in the early 21st century
You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
by then, there'll be a wiki.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
also, i don't think it was close to Most Epic.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
stuff, and alternately, more stuff.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I just perused through that old thread
Man was I bored at work
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
you do have a point
in that I continue to hope the mods have some way of backing up posts with their comments.
the sbn search function and archives routinely hide posts already.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Maybe we could turn it into a play
proper shakespeare style
You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
Enter Aranathor; visibly intoxicated
Aran: Forsooth! I am most unhappy with my current situation
Mysterui: Elaborate good sir
Aran: It concerns the relations twixt man and man
Mysterui: Do carry on
Y2S: Indeed, for there is no news from St. Louis of Albert Pujols’ employment
Aran: I am most perturbed by the unhappy state of the relationship between one and one’s romantic partner. It appears that i have not recieved letter nor telegram for many moons.
Mysterui: Here, let me give you counsel, for i am most sage in the matters of relations
Enter vivaelpujols
VEP: My great wit allows me to interject that by assuming the partakers of this conversation are inbedded and perhaps romantically entangled, rather than indeed, the truthful observation that they are both platonic and standing upright. Great comedy may be produced!!
Laughter
Aran: Most hilarious
Y2S: Delightful
Aran: i do not mean to depart from the normal topic of conversation, but i have encountered an uproarious state of affairs in my place of living! It appears that ruffians, intent on causing mischief have daubed the male phallus on the portal to my abode! Indeed the comedy is only enchanced when one considers that one’s home is currently occupied by the mother of one’s fellow lodger. Surely this coincidence of fortunes will create amusement in the future!!
Tomcat: I find the male member to be a most distasteful object, when so crudely projected
You can't spell 'Inebriated' without 'Aranathor'
by Aranathor on Nov 21, 2010 8:26 PM EST up reply actions 19 recs
I want to have sex with this post
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Long distance relationship... it's been awhile
Actually, I’m leaving now to go drive to see her
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
in bed.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
they would be "tweets from Saint Louis"
otherwise, spot on.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
it just took 6 people to actually be in the thread.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
there were also boobies.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
you're going to have kids?
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
you should probably get fixed, you don't
want a repeat of what happened in Junior
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
The Cardinals didn't want Uggla...
we’re already at $96 million in salary and he would’ve sent us to $106 million or more.
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
Yeah, but we would have been the best team in the NL with Uggla replacing Skip.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 21, 2010 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
possibly...
but if you don’t have the money, you don’t have the money. Open DeWallet!
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
just saying...
blaming Mo is probably not warranted in this case because I’m sure Mo just doesn’t want to push the salary to $106 million+
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
I'm sure DeWitt just doesn't want to push the salary to $106 million+
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
this is almost certainly correct
He has stated his intentions to keep payroll in that 95-100 range. We’ll see how much that saved payroll matters if we miss out on another year of playoff revenues though.
/stealth “Open De-Wallet”
i remember an interview with Mo stating that he would increase payroll over 100
it was from the end of the season on FSNMW
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 21, 2010 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
still, Uggla just is too expensive
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 21, 2010 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
not to complain about payroll
but isnt that why we have all the home grown players?
by jealousblues on Nov 22, 2010 3:24 AM EST up reply actions
Lohse better have himself an extremely productive season next year
would have to have another ’08 to begin to make up for the $12
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
million
sbn
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 22, 2010 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
but if they are taking to uribe
they are at 101
what $5m among friends?
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
i'd really love to have JJ Hardy at second, i think it could work, i really do
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
I just want BOOG at SS......
I give a fuck about his bat with this pitching staff.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Seriously
Jaime, Carpenter, Westbrook, Wainwright – all > 50% groundball pitchers, and Lohse is close. It would be ridiculous to not start a gold glove caliber shortstop (and start a Jeter caliber second baseman for that matter).
by vivaelpujols on Nov 21, 2010 9:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I am agreeing, with you agreeing with me.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I don't agree with your face.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
if hardy is on this team,
he is playing SS
i agree, though
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
by prophetjohn on Nov 21, 2010 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
i think the giants and the cards are going to do a deal.....Uribe and Huff to StL
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 21, 2010 10:05 PM EST reply actions
i'm guessing ..... word on the street here in san fran is that StL wants Uribe and Huff
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 21, 2010 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
huff?
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
by prophetjohn on Nov 21, 2010 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
yeah an old guy with grit
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 21, 2010 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
yes as can uribe quite well
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 21, 2010 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
I don't believe you're actually from SF
Because no self-respecting SF local would call it “San Fran.”
This is what happens when people promote Haas Avocados.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
you said it not me
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 21, 2010 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
i dont know anything....sigh
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 21, 2010 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
its before my VEB time .......sigh
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 21, 2010 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
keep digging.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
yeah everyone from the bay calls it "Frisco"
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
nooooo
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 21, 2010 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
i live in SF but i'm from StL yo
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 21, 2010 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
So what do we call it?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
i call it ole sanny mcfranny like the locals
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
by prophetjohn on Nov 21, 2010 11:38 PM EST up reply actions
i know i've gotten so used to hearing it called that during this Giants mania even i'm starting to say it
i usually call it what it is the City
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 21, 2010 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
Sounds like unicorn territory
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 22, 2010 1:12 AM EST up reply actions
don't want trade to get free agents
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twatter
by prophetjohn on Nov 21, 2010 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
If MO signs Uribe and somehow sends a player to SF despite the fact that Uribe's a FA,
then we can conclude he’s a lousy GM.
by dronemc on Nov 21, 2010 10:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i dont think they're talking trade just $$$
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 21, 2010 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
then how are the giants involved in this deal?
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by prophetjohn on Nov 21, 2010 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
i just meant players from the giants
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 21, 2010 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
that along with acquiring Huff to play first and declining the mang's option...
will definitely knock him down in the GM rankings.
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
nah, huff is gonna play third apparently
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by prophetjohn on Nov 21, 2010 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure if serious...
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
by hazel on Nov 22, 2010 12:10 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
not sure if true
that’s just what i thought he was suggesting
i don’t think huff could play 3B
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twatter
how are his ankles?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
made of steel
but all he can do is fall in the general direction of the baseball
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twatter
well, that's an upgrade, I guess.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
wtf is up with the Absolut ad at the bottom of the page?
just noticed that…
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
ya, I don't see it.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
It looks like a 3rd party...
kind of cut and pasted it. It doesn’t really fit with the rest of the page.
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
yeah really weird , i've never noticed it before
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 21, 2010 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
may I suggest Firefox
and ad block plus to the both of you.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!!!!!
NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!!!!!
by The Spanish Inquisition on Nov 21, 2010 11:36 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I'll rec it.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
sorry.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
and if those things seriously make you a bit,
I’ll turn it off.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
in general I would recommend turning flash on for anybody who's not abusing it/is producing content that they're handing out freely
because those hits don’t count, so far as I can tell, for advertisers. but in this case it’s not a big deal; I’m not running this site myself, so I’m not taking a direct hit.
Also, NFL.com’s flash nightmare crashed my browser twice today while I was trying to do the sb nation rams updates, so I understand the impulse.
My impulse is,
that all ads are evil and must be killed, but that’s just me.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
it is the disclaimer from the top of page ad
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
HA! i was gonna say hello CodyG
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 21, 2010 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
is that what he was replying to?
i was confused
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twatter
by prophetjohn on Nov 21, 2010 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
yes, but not on a tony la russa team
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by prophetjohn on Nov 21, 2010 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
Ah you missed last nights conversation among other things
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 21, 2010 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
reply fail
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 21, 2010 11:48 PM EST up reply actions
By the way.......
Happy Birthday, Stan.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
yep
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Hmmmmm.....
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
....
the bernie piece being wrote yesterday messed me up (even though he said it was tomorrow to…)
by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 22, 2010 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
seriously.....
everybody post something about Stan…..The guy deserves at least some links from us.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
....
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Nov 22, 2010 12:38 AM EST up reply actions 8 recs
I am the second rec here.
You people should be ashamed.
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
late night sb nation plug alert
the official sports-related monologue jokes for St. Louis being named the most dangerous city in America.
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