Movement On Many Fronts
Let me tell you why Jake Westbrook's new contract is a good one for the Cardinals: because Ted Lilly got 3 years and $30 million (plus a $3.5 million signing bonus), and he and Ol' Blue Eyes are going to be the same pitcher next year.
Actually, I'm not sure that makes the Jake Westbrook contract a good one for the Cardinals. I am pretty sure that makes it a good contract for John Mozeliak, who needed a win in a bad way. I'm still not a fan of no-trade clauses (see: the last multi-year pitching contract Johnny Mo completed), but if that's what it took to make this a two-year deal instead of a three-year deal, then I think I can live with the no-trade just fine.
So in a vacuum, I think this is a very good deal. Westbrook at $16.5 million for two years is a much better deal than I thought the Cards would be able to sign him to after witnessing some of the contracts being bandied about here of late. Less money and less years = win.
However, things like this never happen in a vacuum, do they? No, contracts and trades and even the moves you don't make always come attached to context, which is just giant pain in the ass as far as I'm concerned. And the context for this move is the Dan Uggla deal, in which the Atlanta Braves sent Omar Infante and Mike Dunn to the Marlins in return for 30 homers a year out of second base. To provide a bit more context, Omar Infante is a career utility infielder who managed himself a really nice 2010 and Mike Dunn is a left-handed reliever. In other words, Atlanta didn't exactly get robbed in this trade.
I'm not sure the Cardinals had exactly the same pieces to trade for Uggla the Braves did, but I would be willing to bet they could have put together at least as strong a package, and probably have done a little better, without sacrificing anything they were going to miss too horribly.
If you're asking me if I like the Jake Westbrook contract, then yes, I do. Two years at maybe a little better than market value, with the rarely-seen mutual option included, is a very good deal. If, on the other hand, you're asking me if I would rather have Jake Westbrook for the money and two years or Dan Uggla for the talent and the money and one year (plus a draft pick when he leaves), then I have to say I think I might prefer Uggla. Maybe not, but I think I just might.
It's really a pretty fantastic deal for the Braves, as they managed to move Infante after what looks very much like an outlier season. Think Kent Bottenfield. Uggla will give them an immediate offensive shot in the arm, whether they leave him at second or move him to third in the event of Chipper Jones staying gone. He sure would have looked good wearing El Birdos.
There's a lesson to be had here about deadweight contracts. A while back, someone in the comments section here was huffing and puffing about how they couldn't stand that posters keep bringing up the Kyle Lohse deal, and that it hasn't really caused the Cards to lose out on anything. Well, this is exactly why many of us can't let it go. As things stand now, the Cardinals are spending a fortune on pitching, with roughly $20 million dollars allocated to their 4th and 5th starters' spots, and that's only if there isn't any sort of competition in spring training which changes things. On the other hand, if you take that $12 million the Cardinals are going to pay Lohse in 2011 off the books, suddenly you could literally have your cake and eat it too. They could have handed Westbrook his money then turned around and dealt Tyler Greene and Brian Broderick to the Marlins for Dan Uggla. Bottom line, the reason the Cards couldn't make the same kind of trade here the Braves did wasn't because they couldn't match the package sent over, they couldn't make the deal because they couldn't take on the additional salary. It becomes an either/or proposition; either solidify the rotation with Westbrook, or bring in the slugger at second and go into 2011 with two huge question marks in the rotation.
There have been a couple other moves of note recently; nothing earth-shattering, but good for a paragraph on a Wednesday in November.
-- One of my perennial favourite breakout candidates, Andrew Miller, was traded to the Boston Red Sox for a minor-league reliever by the Marlins. Miller has put up outstanding strikeout numbers in his career, but hasn't had much luck in controlling his walks. He could very well be the next Oliver Perez, but I would still have liked to see the Cardinals take a chance on him. Personally I still think he can get there one day, and the team that has him if and when he does is going to get a fantastic bargain. Interesting side note: the Red Sox now have both members of that terrifying one-two punch North Carolina had in their rotation when they won the College World Series. Daniel Bard was actually the more raw pitcher of the two back then. Of course, that was before the Marlins attempted to overhaul Miller's delivery and move him from a low arm slot much like Madison Bumgarner up to whatever it is he's trying to do now. He may be too badly broken to salvage. Tough to say.
-- How bad is that package Detroit sent to the Marlins for Miggy Cabrera and Dontrelle looking now? Cameron Maybin was also traded this week, to the San Diego Padres. Maybin is a tools monster, but has never really developed much in the way of plate discipline or actual baseball skills. You have to wonder if the fact Detroit brought him up to the majors at the age of 20 had anything to do with his stagnation.
There does seem to be a pattern there with the Tigers and rushing their high draft picks. Maybin was in the majors at 20 and never developed. Rick Porcello was a fixture in the rotation at 20 and has gone backward. Andrew Miller pitched in Detroit the year he was drafted, after three games in the minors. He started 2007 in High A at 22, pitched well, moved to Double A, dominated, moved to Triple A, got knocked around in two starts, and then moved on up to Detroit. Three first-round draft picks, all considered absolute steals where they were picked, all three rushed to the big leagues in a god a'mighty hurry, all three now struggling to find a path to productivity. Wonder how long it'll take Jake Turner to appear in a major league game?
-- The A's picked up Edwin Encarnacion off waivers from the Blue Jays. This wouldn't really be newsworthy, except it means Kevin Kouzmanoff could very well go on the waiver wire himself soon. Any interest? I realise we already have a third baseman, but between Freese's breakaway ankles and the fact Matt Carpenter would probably benefit from playing in Triple A, I don't think it would be too bad of an idea to kick the tires on the Crushin' Russian. He's been a fantastic fielder the last two seasons, worth 9.9 runs and 17.5(!) runs in 2009 and 2010, respectively. He hasn't hit much, but has been hurt somewhat by playing in hitter's graveyards in San Diego and Oakland. It would certainly be preferable to watching Pedro Feliz or his non-Union Mexican equivalent play in place of an again-injured David Freese...
-- And, lastly but certainly not leastly, it now appears both Upton brothers could be on the block. The DBacks are apparently listening to offers for Justin, a smart idea considering that team really needs a ground-up renovation. Justin would certainly be more costly to acquire than B.J., but he also hasn't suffered nearly as hard a fall. Personally, I would pass on Justin, as I'm sure Arizona will want a sizable return, but I wouldn't be averse to finding out what it would take to bring B.J. into the fold. He needs some help with his swing, it seems to me, where he's fiddled with a leg kick off and on for years and now doesn't seem to have any idea what to do, but the glove is very much legit in center, making me think he just might make a fantastic right fielder.
Ah, the Hot Stove season. Stupid and baseless and oh so satisfying.
the Baron's Playlist for the 17th of November, 2010
"I Think I Love You" - Less Than Jake
"So It Goes" - The Broken West
"It's Just a Matter of Time" - Brook Benton
"Blue Eyes Crying In the Rain" - Willie Nelson
"Two More Years" - Bloc Party
"Sink, Florida, Sink" - Against Me!
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hmmm, I wonder if the Cards had pressed more for Uggla they could have made the deal
but Tony likes Skip, so he’s the starter it seems
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 12:47 PM EST reply actions
Tony would like Uggla even more.
That’s my guess. He certainly fits the TLR player mold. Power + OBP + very durable. Perfect candidate for the Tony’s “power in the 2-spot” lineup.
BTW – Good article, baron. Certainly agree w/your take on the Westbrook sign/Uggla miss.
true
I keep forgetting we basically can’t afford him
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
TLR knows what OBP is?
I’m pretty sure he only knows about avg
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1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
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Fixed.
TLR knows what OBP is?
I’m pretty sure he only knows about avg grit
by SouthsideCardsFan on Nov 17, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
average factors into grit
the emptier your average, the higher your grit quotient. After all, anyone can trot around the bases after a dinger, but it takes a real mother-gritting sumbitch to beat out the throw on an infield single by sliding into first
You down with OBP?

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by TBender on Nov 17, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Uggla is up for arbitration right?
How much do you suppose he’ll make?
He’s 31 and made 7.8M in 2010.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
usually goes 40/60/80 of market value, as a rule of thumb, doesn't it?
So you’d expect about a one-third increase this year; probably something like 10.5m.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 17, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, probably can't afford him
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
That was kind of what I was getting at.
although, i’m really not sure what they realistically have to spend. But adding 10+M to the payroll (well, a little less than that considering I’m sure someone off the 25 would have been dealt, but then again, Bryan Anderson doesn’t make that much money), might be something they’re trying to avoid before they officially lock up Pujols and really know how much they have after.
Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.
- John Wayne
yeah, it seems like it is hard to tell what the payroll is these days
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
Doesn't this discussion alway revert to the Albert que$tion?
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
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Hey guys
Sorry I’ve not been in much lately – busy life things, a deflating end to the season, and lots of work have kinda interfered.
I’d just like to echo RB’s precis of the Westbrook signing – I really like the deal, I think it’s about as little as we could’ve got him for and signing early (before all the other middle-of-the-rotation types are off the market) doesn’t seem as bad as it did a couple of years ago with Lohse. All in all, the best news we’ve had in a few Cardinals months I think.
I tend to agree that Kouzmanoff might be a good pickup too – I’m guessing he’d be available for next to nothing and he is, more or less, what we’d expect from David Freese in a healthy year – a slightly sub-par bat and a very good glove. If we could get him for, say, a Tommy Pham or other such toolsy but low-likelihood-of-succeeding-type prospect I imagine that’d be a good move.
Not sure I’d make a play for BJ Upton, though – he’s not going to be that cheap now he’s in arby, and although he might eventually turn into a type B, I doubt he’s a large upgrade over what we have in RF now (the Craig/Jay platoon) and it’s tough to see where he fits in. I’m guessing it takes one of our top ten prospects to land him, too.
Anyhow, here’s to an increasingly less dull hot stove season!
Still bitching to contact.
Agree about Upton
Isnt a lot of his value tied to the fact that he plays CF? I dont think his bat passes in a corner OF spot considering the money he is making.
1.14.10, the day I went green.
yeah, Upton seems a bit overrated
BJ that is
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
Bj is never over-rated....
;=8)
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
Rains?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Nov 17, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Bj Rains?
Was Ron Jeremy in that one?
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:=8O
bad cow
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
As soon as I read Chitown's comment
I said to myself: “3,2,1, There it is.”
You're the fail to my win?
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 17, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
kouz
if he became Freely Available (and priced accordingly), this could be a nice doubling of our league-average talent at 3B. Having watched a fair amount of his games, I’m also aware of how frustrating his hitting can be to watch though. It’s also great to hear Vin Scully pronounce his name. Kooooooouzmanoff.
I Like Koos....
…but he can’t take a walk for shite. I like him as a back up, and maybe Big Mac can teach him some patience…although if you didn’t get that with the MoneyBall folks you’d think you never would.
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
it's been weird to see him turning into a all-field no-hit third baseman
his claim to fame as a prospect was as a mediocre third baseman who hit .379 with power for a half a season.
that claim-to-fame landed him on my fantasy team his second year
that mistake was not repeated.
he has a hitting mentality unlike anyone else on the BOB, though… swing hard and often. could be an exciting change of pace, if ultimately unsatisfying.
High dFAWARP?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 17, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
RE: both Uptons
Let me preface, by saying (and seriously hoping) this doesn’t open up a heated racism discussion. But the thought of either Upton landing here does make me wonder about the lack of African-American players on Tony’s teams. I’m trying to think of the last guys we had here. Off the top of my head, Lankford and Ray King come to mind. And weren’t each on the outs w/TLR when they parted? I know he’s had really good relationships with a few – e.g., Harold Baines, Dave Stewart, Willie McGee. But I’m wondering if these are exceptions. Just something I’m curious about, ‘specially given STL’s demographics. Like I said, I’m not trying to ignite a lightning rod. But I think the subject’s worth an even-tempered discussion.
I do like both Uptons. J-Up a little more if we’re talking about a fit for the Cards AND his shoulder is healthy. He’s signed through 2015 at a reasonable rate. If he blossoms into the superstar he’s projected to be, the contract is a steal. Like all other considerations this off-season, if either would come at the expense of a Pujols extension, no thanks.
Not Touchin' That One...
:=8.
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
Smart move, MooCow.
I should have known better. ;)
In bed?
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by redbirdnation8206 on Nov 17, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
It's not just STL......
the number of African-Americans MLB wide has plummeted over the last 20 years, and is something that they are trying to address through programs such as RBI (I think is what they call their inner city program.)
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
yeah, there's not really anywhere to play in the city, and basketball has been huge
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed.
And the NBA has done a very good job of marketing itself there. MLB, not so much. But at least it appears MLB has recognized this and tried to take an initiative to do better now starting with the RBI program.
because everyone gets a 15 million dollar contract?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
the compensation-system in the NBA
is borderline insane.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Kenyon Martin makes over 10MM annually
Luke Walton has a 6year 30MM contract… we could do this all day.
Always late to the party
...Includes pretty much any Houston Rockets contract in the late 90's
Kelvin Cato – 6/42mm
Mo Taylor – 6/48mm
Matt Maloney – 5/32mm
Shandon Anderson – 6/41mm
Moochie Norris – 6/23mm (a value!)
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
I hate the word compensation...
why is it when it gets over a certain number it becomes compensation and stops being a wage/salary?
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
Technically. . .
a wage is measured by the hour or (perhaps) other metric, while salary is paid on an annual basis without regard to any metric.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Nov 17, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
I agree...
but when does it stop being called either of those and begin being called compensation?
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
They are both compensation
FWIW. As are fringe benefits like health insurance, a company car, etc.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Nov 17, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
I think you're missing my point...
whenever you or I hammer a check it’s called getting paid. When CEOs hammer a check it’s called compensation. At what number does it stop being called getting paid and start being called compensation?
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
When it's ridiculous?
Always late to the party
Maybe because they get paid whether or not they work.
Spend a year and a half on the DL, you’re still compensated due to contractual obligation.
I don’t have a dog in this fight, though.
is that a cheap shot at Michael Vick?
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
all payment in return for services rendered is considered
“compensation.” Take it from me, I’m currently taking Federal Income Taxation!
/ties IRC to self, jumps into river
they're still reeling after Jordan retired
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
The difference between a sport people will play on their own
and a sport people will spend money on?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
oh I'll spend money on basketball, but only if it's college
the gap in entertainment value between college basketball and pro basketball is laughably huge.
You just gotta imagine the announcer saying "HE'S ON FIRE"
all the time. Also, “HE’S HEATING UP…” and “FROM DOWNTOWN!!!”
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
its also laughably huge in talent level
i can be entertained by any nba playoff game…that isnt always the case w/ college “playoff” games
by guillermozeliak on Nov 17, 2010 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
But I think the subject’s worth an even-tempered discussion.
Sorry, but no it’s not unless you have something more substantial than “he didn’t get along too well with a couple of black guys”
Alls i got to say on the subject is....
…it takes both black and white to make Holstein!
;=8)
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
And it takes both
to make a black and tan.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 17, 2010 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
Not just that...
…but we’ve had very few African-Americans wear the BoB in recent years. I didn’t wanna create a list of guys, but if you want more than two, I’ll throw Ron Gant and (the overly-chronicled) Kerry Robinson in there as well.
Is that markedly less than the rest of MLB?
by SouthsideCardsFan on Nov 17, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
I think so, yeah.
I’ll try to do a little research to back it up. But I’m thinking of MLB teams and at least in the past few years, seems we’ve lacked in this cat.
OK, here's a list...
This is the best I can do for now. Checked MLB depth charts and came up with the following:
BAL – Adam Jones, Josh Bell
LAA – Torii Hunter, Howie Kendrick
HOU – Michael Bourn
OAK – Coco Crisp, Rajai Davis
TOR – Vernon Wells, Fred Lewis
ATL – Jason Heyward
MIL – Rickie Weeks, Prince Fielder
CHI – Marlon Byrd
ARI – Chris Young, Justin Upton
LAD – James Loney, Matt Kemp
SFG – none
CLE – Michael Brantley
SEA – Chone Figgins, Milton Bradley
FLA – none
NYM – none
WAS – Nyjer Morgan
SDP – Will Venable, Cameron Maybin, Tony Gwynn
PHI – Jimmy Rollins, Ryan Howard, Dominic Brown
PIT – Andrew McCutchen, Lastings Milledge, James McDonald
TEX – Julio Borbon, Darren Oliver
TAM – Carl Crawford, BJ Upton, David Price
BOS – Mike Cameron, Bill Hall, Darnell McDonald
CIN – Brandon Phillips
COL – Dexter Fowler, Eric Young Jr.
KC – Jarrod Dyson (? slotted as rookie CF)
DET – Austin Jackson
MIN – Delmon Young, Denard Span, Orlando Hudson
CWS – Juan Pierre, Edwin Jackson (although born in Germany)
NYY – Curtis Granderson, CC Sabathia, Marcus Thames
So based on the above, I wouldn’t say dramatically less than the rest of MLB. We fall under the “none” category, tho. Only three other teams share that distinction.
is he even part black?
I’d guess no, but I could be wrong
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
50 players by my count
So not even enough for each team to have two
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
yeah, that is kind of shocking.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
you forgot Chris Nelson on Colorado
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
In recent years
we had Preston Wilson, Joe Thurston, and probably one or two others that slip my mind at the moment.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Nov 22, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
A list came up in another topic a few days ago.
Specifically, I think it was Evilfrog saying that he hoped they traded for, I think it was one of the Uptons, so all the “TLR doesn’t like blacks” talk would stop.
Under Tony, the Cards have had the following African Americans on their roster:
Willie McGee
Ron Gant
Brian Jordan
Kerry Robinson
Ray King
Luther Hackman
Tony Womack
Delino DeShields
Randy Winn
Roye Clayton
There are more, I’d just have to go dig them up. I really don’t think it’s a race thing.
RIP Brian Barton & Ray Lankford
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
it was McCutchen
Barton and Rico Washington in 07 was the last time the Cardinals had two African Americans on the Major League roster at the same time I believe.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
he was one of my favorite players from that time period
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
Me too.
He was a really good player who seemed to have a great personality as well.
Definitely a plus dFAWARP.
He hit it good. He hit it good.
he could hit the ball a mile every once in a while also
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
Eric Davis, as well.
And I didn’t forget Sanders. I was at Busch II when he hit a slam off Peavy as we kicked SDP’s butts in the playoffs.
Gant
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
I was at Wrigley
for a home run he hit out of the park in center that still hasn’t landed… I miss that guy hanging around the team.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
Sanders that is.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
Or, you know, a certain hall of fame short stop.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
i loved Reggie
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
I believe you mean
He who gave us the gift of Pujols.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
Hard Hittin' Mark Whitten!
Maybe not TLR though he did have 4 HRs in one game for the Cards, I believe it was against the Reds.
1.14.10, the day I went green.
What do STL's demographics have to do. . .
with a theory that TLR is a racist?
Considering that TLR is from Tampa originally, lives in San Francisco, and is of Hispanic descent in a town that is pretty far down the list of Hispanic communities?
Also, failing to acquire either Upton is eveidence of TLR being racist?
I’m sorry, but neither of those things make any sense.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Nov 17, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
There is no "theory"
I don’t have “theories” (conspiracy or otherwise). I leave that to scientists. You’re taking my post and running in some odd directions with it. Especially with your Upton = TLR racist line.
I mentioned the demographics because STL has a large African-American demographic. If an African-American player is a good fit, talent-wise, cost-wise, personality-wise, etc. for STL, it would make sense for us to pursue them. Not only for the team itself, but it would be good marketing and a bit of a lift for the STL African-American community. They’d have some representation on their home team.
Everyone forgets about me...

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
any ATHF ref has to get a rec from me
Stupid offseason.
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Nov 17, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
its the creepy goatee...
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
Is that Hootie?
Thought he was busy with a country album…
Amaury Cazana for RF in 2011 - the legend will never die!
Ha.
Darius Rucker. Good call, avs. Never noticed the similarity.
In a freakish coincidence,
just as i was scrolling through this part of the discussion, I realized “Let Her Cry” was playing on the office Muzak system.
Stupid offseason.
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Nov 17, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
I think it's because he goes by Randy.
If he’d just go by his given name, Dwight, no one woud forget that he’s black.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 17, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
Oh yeah him...
…he’s the guy who punched the ball over the fence in that one game. With his glove, not bat.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Nov 17, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
for real...
the one guy on our roster and it took like ten people to realize this
also mark whitten
how bout more australian players!
by guillermozeliak on Nov 17, 2010 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
Sigh. Didn't this conversation exist recently?
Randy Winn…
Joe Thurston…
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
He's Comanche or something.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
That's Lohse.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
he is a chief though
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
(sbn'd)
I think Jay is Puerto Rican and part Choctaw.
(I’m only joking about one of these things.)
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 17, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
preston wilson haz a sad.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Nov 17, 2010 4:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Justin Upton will probably be really good
although he seems to be off to a relative slow start like Colby
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
if anything, Tony hates white people
after all, we comprise the greatest percentage of the fan base and therefore are more concerned—in the aggregate—with the success of the Cardinals… and he seems to be intent on constantly fucking us over in that regard.
by mattyp on Nov 17, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Call me racist, but...



They all kinda look the same to me.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 17, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
I wonder which one of them
Is competent at heating their porridge?
by mojowo11 on Nov 17, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
when did stavinoha play for for the reds?
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
I think the guy in the Reds hat is Miles
Always late to the party
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Pretty maids all in a row.
what should’ve been the Cardinals 27,28 and 29 roster spots (pre-September).
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Oh...
…stepping away…
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by redbirdnation8206 on Nov 17, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
meh
dd thinks kmac can be an effective starter, which makes him a mult-million dollar commodity. if he was in westies’ place, he’d be worth 8 mill or so. 8 mill we could have used for uggs. it’s not (just) klohse. not starting kmac is a budget buster too
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
Top of the morning, Monk. Big jazz festival coming soon to Bangkok if you're in the neighborhood.
Think you’re spot on about Kouzmanoff. Dear lord a block of wood is preferable to Pedro Feliz and Miles. . . .
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
I really don't see Tyler Greene as having any trade value what so ever
I’m not sure that the Cardinals could have pulled off a comparable package,
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Tyler Greene
I know it wont happen but nothing would make me happier than to have Greene start 140+ games at second next year. Yeah, he might not have the greatest avg put I think his power will be plus plus for a second basemen. Yet, I know I am stuck watching Skip butcher the position and bat his .275 while slugging .340.
1.14.10, the day I went green.
I'm just not sold on T Greene yet
he’s shown some flashes of being able to be a serviceable player in the majors… but i still need to see more. I would like him to get more opportunities this year.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
seems like he's been around for a long time already
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
yeah he keeps popping in and out...
just to say “hey”
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
One more option left too
so Tyler can still ride the shuttle this season if he is on the bench too much for Tony.
Tyler Greene is "Replacement Player"
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Disagree about Replacement Player
He’s shown flashes but still has not been given enough of a shot. I would love for him to get 125-150 straight at bats and see what we have. Though I know that is a long shot.
1.14.10, the day I went green.
Is career WAR is 0.0
I know I know. SSS (Small Sample Size), and it seems like he’s been around the big club longer than the past two seasons!
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
It may seem like that, but your perception doesn't change reality.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
TG has turned out as I expected.
Good glove and less than attractive bat. If our plan was to use him as a trade chip, he’s aged past peak value. Had we traded him a couple years ago, I could see him being a starter on a less-competitive team a la Jack Wilson. But not on a contender.
Lets give him a chance before we bury him.
That’s all I am asking – just a chance. Having a player hit 16-20 HRs from 2nd base would be a step in the right direction for the Cards. I am tired of the slap hitting MI that we always seem to employ. Granted most teams have slappy middle infielders but there are always a few “boppers”. We never seem to get an outlier from the Ryans and Schumakers.
1.14.10, the day I went green.
There is little in Greene's
portfolio of stats that indicate that he is a good bet to hit 16-20 HR in the major leagues.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Nov 17, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
Not a great bet but the power is there
2008 16 HRs in 127 games 536 PA between AA and AAA
2009 17 HRs in 89 games and 490 PA at AAA and majors (2 HRs in 108 PA in the majors)
2010 11 Hrs in 490 PA between AAA and the big show
And he was hurt in 2010. Look it might not be probable but there is a chance and I for one would like to find out.
1.14.10, the day I went green.
"slappy MI" works for other teams.
Just not TLR teams. I don’t know of any other manager in the bigs as adverse to slap-hitters as Tony. I would wager that if Mo ever put someone like… say… Juan Pierre in a STL uni, Tony would go ballistic.
...seriously?
Skip Schumaker
Brendan Ryan
Jon Jay
Randy Winn
Molina’s basically a slap hitter
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Yeah. Pretty much.
Skip’s an anointed TLR fave, so he’s exempt. Boog’s been on Tony’s poo-poo list. Jay, Winn and Molina are not MIs, but if you’re debating them as slap hitters: Jay is not a slap hitter, and they think his power will develop. Winn was just an insurance pick-up and I don’t see him coming back. And Tony’s gone on record as saying that he pretty much doesn’t care too much about Yadi’s offense because he is such a “weapon” on defense. And I tend to agree with him on Yadi – the statement being a hyperbole, of course.
...you used Juan Pierre as an example, then chastise me for having Jay and Winn on there?
We’ve had basically nothing but slap hitting MIs since Tony took over
David Eckstein?
Tony Womack?
Fernando Vina?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Not just since TLR...
Prior to that it was Red, Javier, Sizemore, Herr, Oquendo, Alicea…
Slapping hitting MIs have pretty much been the team’s legacy…
Hornsby might be the exception.
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
Slap hitting MIs are baseball's legacy
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
Ah, go easy.
I didn’t “chastise” you. We’re just Cardinals fans having a discussion. I didn’t intend my response to be confrontational. Sorry, if it came off that way.
Pierre was an extreme example and said mostly in jest. Eckstein, Womack and Vina could all be described as “scrappy” and Tony does love those players.
You are absolutely right. We have had our share of low-power MIs. But given his druthers, don’t you agree Tony would like someone with “pop” at one of those positions? I think Tony values power a lot more than other managers (e.g., Scioscia, Maddon, Gardenhire). Would you agree?
He seemed to have a problem with Colbys power
It’s like he wants out of certain players but not others. I think his autobiogrophy will be a good read. I would love to be inside that head sometimes.
Always late to the party
he doesn't have a problem with Colby's power
he has a problem with Colby make out on pitches over the outside of the plate because he tries to pull it for homeruns instead of taking it up the middle or to left field.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
and he loved Ankiel and Lil Dunc . .go figure his apetites
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
When I think of Tony's A's teams.....
“Small-ball” isn’t exactly the first word that leaps to mind.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 17, 2010 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
No no, I didn't take it as confrontational.
My impression of Tony’s teams have been
Have one or two superstar hitters
Have good defense up the middle
Surround with average talent
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
And I don't dislike Greene.
But realistically, I don’t think he’ll get a shot at starting in STL. Maybe somewhere else.
Is Ryan's bat attractive?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
in bed
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Some People Don;t know When to Give Up....
…and some that’s all they do…
;=8)

My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
Oh, Mr. Haynesworth
Big tree fall hard…
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by redbirdnation8206 on Nov 17, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sure they'll bench McNabb for that.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Earning his salary.
I like the OL stands for awhile, looking for something to do.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
and he found something to do
he blocked 99 there to keep him off of Vick right before the pass got off.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Uhhh... Are you gonna get up?
No? Okay then… moving on.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Nov 17, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
It would appear...
that Michael Vick put the fear of dog in him.
"When I gave up a grand slam to Pete LaCock," Bob Gibson said later, "I knew it was time to quit."
by The Classical on Nov 17, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
wat
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
I'm gonna disagree with scoot and Chitown
and say I admire the effort and bravado.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
the phrase just doesn't make sense though
I’m sure a lot of people would like to put the fear of dog into Michael Vick though, without a doubt
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
Tis not a phrase, but a turn of thee phrase.
Whilst spinning.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
boog would be good at it then
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
you missed my joke
it exists in his user name, combined with my post
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Ooh, well done
I did totally miss it. Dang!
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
R U saying Hainsworth is...dogging it??
;=8)
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
What would you have him to do?
Get back up to get pushed back down? The smart move is stay back down
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 17, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
How's the used medical equipment business?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
100 million bucks buys a lot of used medical stuff...
:=8/
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
I invoked Rule 34 and started up a new web page
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 17, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
can I click this at work?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
FUCK YOU BOTH.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I request a ban for this gentleman for incendiary language
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I request that your face gets banned.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
and shouting
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
shut up and go pay your traffic ticket
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
Heh
I knew this would be funny no matter which direction you took it… kudos.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
It could of been gross
Pregnant woman + Sex + Ultrasound = I will let you work out the details
by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 17, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
Well, I figured you wouldn't link anything that wasn't work-safe
So I figured it had to be some sort of misdirection.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
If he would have fought to get back up
that OL wouldn’t have been free to block the Redskin that was (harmlessly, probably) rushing Vick.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
They showed later on that play Vick took 8 seconds to throw!
the average is three or less.
Always late to the party
All 5 linemen are looking for something to do after their initial blocks.
Did they only rush two?
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
so Pujols' contract talks start up in December
hope they get it over with relatively fast
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 1:36 PM EST reply actions
i almost feel sorry for kyle lohse the human
the deal has been god awful, as gets brought up, and now is being cast as the reason the cardinals couldn’t keep ryan ludwick/take on dan uggla’s salary. kyle lohse has sucked, but the injury bug has hit him hard. he was never injured in his career until 2009, and he has never really recovered from it. just an unfortunate situation for him.
note: i’m not advocating the deal. it’s still one of the worst deals in franchise history. 12 million next year?! good god!
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 17, 2010 1:47 PM EST reply actions
Injury bug
This is why 4 years for a pitcher is generally a bad idea and 4 years and $42MM for a pitcher is an even worse one.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
remember when he was signed because his injury history was clean
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
+1. As if all pitchers aren't one pitch away from the DL.
I remember when Carmona and Webb had their great seasons, some baseball fans would say, “Yeah, and those guys will never be injured because they’re sinkerball pitchers.” We see how that idea played out.
that's why i decided to just assume he'll dominate in 2011
or i’ll lose my mind
and, there’s plenty of room for him to bounce back – he ended on a very high note
so, i’m going to root for lohse to be awesome bad deal or not
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
he ended on a high note?
(i’m not being contrary, i just don’t remember that)
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
he took carp's glove for his last start and actually had a very decent outing
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
i feel sorry for VEB commentors
being that next year, kyle f. lohse will make more than all of us combined
by YesWeOquendo on Nov 17, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
you don't feel sorry,
or you’re making 12 mil next year?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Is it legal?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Do you get paid if you're on the DL?
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
He was overpaid, injuries or not
He was paid like a 2.7 WAR pitcher when he’d only been better than that twice and close to it one additional time.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Nov 17, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
how does 2.7 WAR translate to $10.25MM?
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
10.25/4.5 million per win = 2.3
Obviously the $per win can vary.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 17, 2010 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
so, about his career average?
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
yeah, but it was still a bad contract
When you factor in aging, limited upside, injury risk, etc. He should have gotten no more than 3/24.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 17, 2010 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
probably
but it’s not like it’s an albatross the day of the signing. he got slightly overpaid. the only reason why it’s the worst contract on the team and one of the worst contracts in the history of the team is because we’re fortunate enough to not have our own david wells or barry zito or ryan howard or etc.
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
here's a fun hypothetical question
it’s 2015. how much does it cost to keep pujols, holliday, wainwright, rasmus, and molina on the roster?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 17, 2010 1:58 PM EST reply actions
well, I'm guessin only Holliday and probably Pujols would be left at that time
using up a third to a half of the payroll
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
2011 ages:
Holliday: 31
Pujols: 31
Wainwright: 29
Rasmus: 24
Molina: 28
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
rasmus is easily the best player in 2015
in fact, rasmus might be one of the most valuable players in baseball going forward.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 17, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
might
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
huge might
"I got to get Dr. Freeze off my twig right now."-Nyjer Morgan
by flipthebird15 on Nov 17, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
in bed
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
Yadi will be an old ass 32 year old.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
eek, those knees
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
this is not fun
this significantly lowers VEB’s FAWARP.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Who cares.
Everyone get into your electric hover space ships and lets have a picnic on pluto!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
About this much:

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by redbirdnation8206 on Nov 17, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
my guess
pujols: $25MM
wainwright: $20MM
holliday: $17MM
rasmus: $15MM
molina: $12MM
$89MM
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
How do we stay in the 100MM range?
20 league minimum guys?
Always late to the party
do T-Greene and Broderick really fetch Uggla?
Others have given their answer on the Greene side, and I don’t see Broderick as having any trade appeal at all, to anyone, anywhere. Don’t let the AFL fool you.
StanTheManFan
Contributes any way he can.
He's normally a nuclear physicist
Except when writing for this list.
Tyler Greene does not equal. . .
Omar Infante. Not even close.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Nov 17, 2010 2:24 PM EST reply actions
"You're No Omar Infante..."
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
That's "All-Star Omar Infante"
to you, bovine.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Nov 17, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
Erm..."Versatile All-Star Omar Infante"
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
Keep That Up....
…and I won;t share my bacon-flavored lollipops…
http://www.baconfreak.com/maple-bacon-lollipops.html
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
agreed. A fluke season, even if it is just a fluke, is
one more fluke season than Tyler Greene has ever had.
Is it really all that fluky?
Or is Infante just in the peak of his career? He has had solid, steadily increasing production in his age 26-28 seasons.
That’s not to say he’s an All-Star or anything, but I would bet he would be a handy player to have around for the next 2-3 years, one of those guys who would be an able 450+AB utilityman on a good team, or a solid starter on a bad team.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Nov 17, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
His BABIP was 40 points above his career average
by vivaelpujols on Nov 17, 2010 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
Sure.
but Infante has been around forever. Career average in his case may be less predictive (at least for next season and maybe the next) than the lst 2-3 years, where his BABIP was 327, then 339, then 2010’s 355.
I never said he was a centerpiece that you build a team around, and I certainly wouldn’t trade Dan Uggla for him and a lottery ticket left-handed reliever, and I wouldn’t want to sign him long-term. . . but, in a vaccuum, I’d rather have him at 2B than Skip Shumacker, for instance. He’s likely to be a useful player, starter even, at a non-power position (nothing more) for the next year or two.
And he’s the kind of guy that generally gets over-rewarded for his usefulness with a too rich, multi-year contract.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Nov 18, 2010 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
And it wasn't that fluky because it wasn't that good
A BABIP inflated .340 wOBA is not the stuff that legends are made of.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 17, 2010 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
crusty fell one point short of winning MOY
thank you, bud black.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 17, 2010 2:29 PM EST reply actions
I was surprised Gardenhire beat out Washington in the AL
Also surprised Cox didn’t do better than fourth, just on sentimentality.
by BTown Birds fan on Nov 17, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
has david freese ever played 2b?
and could he barring another re-shattering of the ankles?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
Would he be willing to hang in at the pivot of a double play?
Crunch, crunch.
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
can kouz play second then?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
then get Kouz and Freese and Skip to play 2B and 3B two at a time
profit
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
someone in the hot stove mentioned that
the Sawx are floating Scutaro for a bullpen arm. I’d definitely be interested in that. Last year he had his lowest walk rate in a long time. If that regresses more towards his career line, we’d have a 2b with passable defense, double digit homeruns and maybe like a .330 wOBA.
Scutaro for Boggs?
Daddy like
Always late to the party
scutaro is basically the same offensive player as 2009 skip schumaker
and has below average def at short.
and he is due 6m next year.
No thanks.
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
6M? That's why they are trying to trade him.
I was thinking like 1-1.5MM. That would be reasonable.
Always late to the party
right, and will we ever see 2009 Skip again? I'd predict not.
and Scutaro would be an improvement on D as well.
Bill James predicts them nearly identically for next season
yes, scutaro would be an improvement at 2b, but from the recent strauss/mo interview, I would bet that if the cards traded for scutaro, they would put him at short.
That would improve our offense, but scutaro is not a plus defender at SS. He had negative UZR and UZR/150. and made less OOZ/total plays than boog did.
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
The nice thing about Scutaro...
is that he could replace Ryan or Skip, whoever sucks the most. And since one will likely be awful, he represents something like a 2 win improvement for $5 million. Seems like a good deal…
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
You're presuming Tony won't find some bizarre lineup configuration
and somehow end up starting Ryan, Skip, Scutaro, Miles and Stav all in the same game.
everybody made less OOZ plays than boog did, though.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
fewer
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 17, 2010 10:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
boog is amazing
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
which is reason that boog should keep his job regardless
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
That was meeeeee!
:=8D
My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O
a RH bat who put up a .319 wOBA in fenway
with minus defense?
meh
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
by prophetjohn on Nov 17, 2010 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
i mean
he’s an okay choice, but i wouldn’t give up much for him
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
by prophetjohn on Nov 17, 2010 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
could be the platoon of meh.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
not everyone can reply properly though
by mattyp on Nov 17, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
By the way, not an image fail
I was too lazy to find the actual gif.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
dead.horse
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Nov 17, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I wasn't replying*. . .
I was stating an inherent truth of the universe.
- A lie
A rec for you, sir.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Nov 17, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
WHERE'S MY PARADE?!?!?
Musial gets Presidential Medal of Freedom
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Why don't I?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Congratulations to Stan!
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
whaaaaaat!!!! AWESOME!
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
Best news I've heard in about three weeks,
StanTheManFan
Contributes any way he can.
He's normally a nuclear physicist
Except when writing for this list.
by StanTheManFan on Nov 17, 2010 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
Story up at SI.com about Pujols contract negotiations
“People close to the situation” say he wants 10 years, $30 mil/year.
by BTown Birds fan on Nov 17, 2010 3:18 PM EST reply actions
But on a more optimistic note (from same story)
“One competing exec predicts Pujols will stay in St. Louis for $25 million a year for six or seven years.”
by BTown Birds fan on Nov 17, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
seems possible
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
If he were to agree to that deal I'd be very happy
I hope that exec is right
by BTown Birds fan on Nov 17, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
I'm thinking it will be more like 28m per
maybe 5 or 6
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
That's what I think (hope) we end up at
say $27.5/yr for 5 or 6 years with an option or two, maybe similar to Waino’s option that just triggered (top 5 MVP finish in 2015 or 2016?)
by ArkansasTravs on Nov 17, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
That's quite doable
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by redbirdnation8206 on Nov 17, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sort of glad to hear that's his starting point...
I predict 8/200 with some bells and whistles to push him past Howard’s AAV
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
i don't know about the money
but i wouldn’t be surprised if he gets 10 years
and he lowers the dollars to get the years
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
Is it legal to make him part owner or something?
Like 10 years as player, then a 10 year vested interest in team… Or something crazy like that. Mo def needs to tap into his creative side when constructing this deal. Think it would be in the best interest of both sides, really. I don’t think Albert really cares for the biz/negotiating side of the game. He just want to play and be treated fairly, mang.
Unfortunatly not legal.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
What if the ownership declares bankruptcy, and the Mang gets the team as
compensation, ala Mario Lemieux?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 17, 2010 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
And I want a solid gold toilet, but it's just not in the cards now is it Albert.
OK, so if that’s a starting point, maybe we’ll be able to get him for something not too insane.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
i just don't get the talks of albert wanting $30M a year
i could see $20-25M, but 30? albert wouldn’t tax STL that much would he?
He could get it on the open market
Always late to the party
Tax St. Louis that much?
I don’t even understand what this means. He is entering free agency, at the peak of his earning potential. If we want the best player in baseball, we will have to pay to keep him.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
They're going to have to tax the city to afford him.
As a St. Louis resident, I’m game. The city is already charging me for recycling bins that don’t exist. At least Albert is real.
count me in too
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
Yeah
I don’t even live in Mo. anymore, but I’d pay the tax just to keep him in St. Louis.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 17, 2010 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
i just want the pujols won't resign talk to stop
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
the assclown who wrote that has no clue what he's talking about
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
by gdm426 on Nov 17, 2010 7:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
is arod really signed through age 42?
and he gets 15 million for reaching 700hrs and 15million for 800? (I’m just guessing based on the article)
anyone knowi if dewitt’s a billionaire less the assets of the cardinals?
by guillermozeliak on Nov 17, 2010 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
yes, yes, yes, and i don't know, Wiki doesn't say much about DeWitt
i think it’s awesome his company own’s a bunch of Arby’s. that is just dead solid perfect
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
if somehow we sign him I'm definitely calling him that
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
....

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Psh, overrated!
Orzo and risotto are just as good but for some reason I don’t see anybody clamoring for them around here.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I make risotto at least once a week....
a giant PITA, but oh so worth it.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
There's a theory
that the point of risotto was to have a dish that required constant stirring. Thus, whatever old lady in the family who was living in the house at the time could be occupied by being asked to stir the risotto to keep her out of everyone’s hair.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
It wouldn't surprise me.....
I want to know what the restaurants secret is…..Order a dish with risotto and I have it 20 minutes later……how do they hold it without it getting all effed up.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Pressure cookers? No clue.
One of the yummiest risotto dishes I ever had was the truffle risotto at Almonds in Clayton. I don’t know if that restaurant is even around anymore. I think it had saffron in it too. Oh man.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
My staple is a mushroom risotto and a thick ribeye.....
mushrooms, shallots garlic, and either white wine/chicken stock, or red wine and beef stock depending on my mood. Nothing fancy, but good.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Sounds delicious
Shallots are one of the most underrated vegetables. They’re like the Zimmerman of food.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I think I'm gonna cook some
40 clove chicken with risotto for dinner tonight ….. I don’t have anything else to do.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
asiago goes very well with a seafood risotto mmmm
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Almonds is/was my favorite restuarant in STL
Owners were as nice as could be too. They’re still there.
Wow, you just made me miss St. Louis.
"He ran hard, but he didn't run fast. He runs like he's mad at the ground." - opposing broadcaster describing Yadi's speed.
Heh
I also had a little attachment to the restaurant, since the head chef (at some point, I think he is no longer there) was a former patient of my mom’s. She’s a pediatrician, which is why he’s a former patient. The couple times we went he came out and said hi to us.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Upton, you say??
I’ll give them one of their own autographed baseballs as a return to play for the Cards. That’s like a hundred dollars, man.
did you end up winning that contest thingy?
Fire John Mozeliak
by purple_haze on Nov 17, 2010 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
He took second.....
to this guy, who put out a press release.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
are you thinking
of asking vexed to shoppe himself?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 17, 2010 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
has no one mentioned this?
Just announced that Stan has been awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom!
While Spinning.
How much were yours? 34 dollars. You know you got a pay raise... right?
It's been mentioned above.
But that’s all good, it can be mentioned again.
Once again… CONGRATULATIONS MR. MUSIAL
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
OT: I love the fact
that the Wrigley sign apparently has a problem with the Purple Drank

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
houndstooth?
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
I was wondering that too.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
...

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Rickets has a high mortgage...
gotta pay the bills. Sorry I just find it hilarious that Cub fans everywhere see this as an affront to all higher powers accepted by people across the globe.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
AHAHAHA.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
but wow, that is ten kinds of horrible.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
its for the Northwestern/Illinois Football game this weekend
the purple that is
houndstooth? maybe its a bar for english lit profs
if it's in Wrigleyville, it's probably not very good
although the Gingerman is alright, just north of the Metro on Clark
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
Old news, but Beckham's probably still on the block...
It would be a long shot. If we could swing a decent trade (i.e., not Rasmus or Miller), he’d be a good fit for us.
I like the kid but
where do you play him? do you send Boog to the ChiSox? I’m of the opinion that they should not have moved Beckham off 3rd. He should be playing his original position (SS) or 3rd base. I don’t know what defensive numbers show, but the kid was learning a new position for the 2nd time in 2 years.
Beckham
Man his 2009 rookie season looks was really impressive. Everyone including myself was assuming he was going to build on it and become one of the premier young players in baseball. I am not sure what his problem was last year (maybe sdrone nailed it) but I wonder if he is a bounce back candidate. If so, the Sox would be crazy to trade him.
1.14.10, the day I went green.
I would imagine slot him in at 2nd.
And if Freese goes down again, he could slide over to 3rd. That’s part of the attraction. The other part of the attraction is that he’s young, cost-controlled, and as njnick mentions below is a top prospect coming off a disappointing season. This could be a good buy low opp. Not sure I’d move Boog for him tho. Would need to be on the inside with all the necessary info to make that evaluation.
In light of the Uggla miss, Beckham would be a good pick-up.
he would never shave his head for the team.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
well he's right out then.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
check out his google images
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I would be ok with a boog/beckham trade
because then I get to see boog play in person, 4 blocks from my apt, and I get to enjoy beckham’s offense on the cards. WIN WIN
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
submitted with only one comment
the fact that i can tell you that i have never done this.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2010-11-17-Vodkaeyeball17_ST_N.htm
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 17, 2010 4:54 PM EST reply actions
old news
yeah, I guess that’s what the cool kids are doing these days (and I thought we were stupid about partying in the 90s)
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
thats crazy..just now hearing about this
makes me feel old when you dont hear about college trends
also wouldnt your eye just bust up in flames! it burns just when people do the lemon drops routine
i remember reading an article about skittling for highschool parties….now thats retarded
by guillermozeliak on Nov 17, 2010 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
What the fucking shit is wrong with your fucking generation?
Dressing like dickbags, being rude as fuck in public, nobody can fucking spell anymore, pouring god damn liquor in your fucking eyes?
Class it up, assbutts.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Nov 17, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
We have Lady Gaga too
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
pop tards
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, and. . .
get off AlxFrtz’s lawn while you’re at it.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Nov 17, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
mine too
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
millennials.
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
i'm embarrassed by my generation every single day.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 17, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
I'm embarassed by you every single day
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
by mysterui on Nov 17, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
OOOOOHHHHHHH
SNAP
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
dayum
buuuuuurnnnn
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
how do you think his dad feels?
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Reality TV is when I lost hope
Always late to the party
I think that's what I'm blaming it on, too.
That and the fact these “adults” were raised on nothing but Lunchables and anti-smoking campaigns.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Nov 17, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I WAS RAISED ON CARL BUDDIG ROAST BEEF AND A CLOUD OF MARLBORO SMOKE!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
lol
corned beef hash from aldi and picking up my dad’s empty beer cans
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
Ahhh ALDIs
what memories
Always late to the party
my mother used to work at the AMP or something like that
then Aldi’s replaced that store
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
that's it
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
Rolla still has an Aldi's
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
there are several in Chicago
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
Aldi is huge. . .
German outfit; also own’s Trader Joe’s.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Nov 17, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
yep
although, I think that company bought out Aldi, they used to be run by someone else
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
I could go for a purple Big K soda right now.
Or some beer brand beer.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Remember the "Always Save" brand?
Yellow with a black stripe? They made beer
Always late to the party
Above or below
the quality of Dirt Cheap Beer?
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
I'm going to assume below
I wasn’t old enough to drink it.
Always late to the party
Dirt Cheap is some pretty rough stuff...
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
Always Save
Growing up I thought their Corn Chips were awesome. Way better than Frito’s.
I was reading about how countless species are being pushed toward extinction by man's destruction of forests. Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - Calvin, Scientific Progress Goes "Boink", Watterson
I bought a Kirkland's 12-pack of beer one time
Terrible
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I remember Pevely Diary products and
SealTest at Bettendorf. I also remember when Schnucks bought out Bettendorf in 1970. I assume Schnucks are still in St. Louis, and Kroger is gone?
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 17, 2010 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, Kroger and A&P left years ago.
It’s pretty much Schnucks, Dierburg’s, and Shop n Save with Aldi’s, Trader Joe’s, Whole Foods, and Straub’s at the margins.
Too stupid and sissy-like to say that you want out.
You make the eyes of a million girls and think you'll make them shout.
by The Continental on Nov 17, 2010 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
but they are both bargain food stores
trader joe’s is the cheap alternative to whole foods, and aldi is the cheap alternative to jewel, dominicks, etc
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
yes, that means Aldi's has really won the branding game
white people do all sort of backflips for Trader Joe’s, but wouldn’t touch Aldi’s with your reusable grocery bag.
in a related note, i live right next to an Aldi’s, and have never been inside.
My wife buys stuff from Aldi's from time to time
Their non-perishable selection is as good as most grocery stores.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Hows the ginger ale?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
is that Aldi's brand of beer?
I don’t like gingers, even in sodie pop form.
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
My goals in life:
1. Make Ginger Ale popular
2. Free Tibet (eat it, Gere!)
3. Own gold plated rocket car
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
actually, I like the Ginger Ale
Pujols Tier:
Cream Soda
Grape Soda
Rasmus Tier:
Black Cherry
Ginger Ale
Miles Tier:
Root Beer
Cola
*havent been in Aldi"s in years, do they even still make soda?
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
how dare you insult root beer in that manner
shakes fist
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
oh wait, I think you are saying that aldi's root beer sucks
not root beer in general. whoops!
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
my next project is homemade rootbeer.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
that would be awesome
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
If you ever see it....
try a Henry Weinhart’s. They use their old prohibition recipe.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Weinhard's
Great beer in the 70’s-80’s, when they put the number of their barrels on their label.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 17, 2010 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
it's still good....
the dark is good.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
FITZ FITZ FITZ FITZ FITZ
any Fitz soda > any other soda
Fire John Mozeliak
by purple_haze on Nov 17, 2010 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
yesssss
there was a guy on my dorm floor last year that was from st. louis.
Every time that he would go home for the weekend, he would bring back cases of fitz and sell them on the floor. We converted about 30 guys in Chicago to Fitz’s
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
see heres the thing about Fitz Cream Soda
its reall the best soda in and of itself (Jones is close too) but when you actually go to Fitz on Delmar and drink it from a frosted mug straight from the tap, its like a fluffy dream in liquid form.
Fire John Mozeliak
by purple_haze on Nov 17, 2010 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
dude, not cool
I have to settle for Goose Island sodas here which are actually not bad, but not the same as a cold frosty Fitz’s
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
We had kegs of Fitz's
for root beer floats at our wedding reception this past summer.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 18, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
Where's my jetpack?
I was told I’d be getting a jetpack!
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 17, 2010 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
They have good charcoal
(Or, at least, the company that makes their charcoal is a really, really nice place.)
/shamlessplug
/hiHRdept
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
Aldi kicks ass
Deutsche Kueche days are awesome
around Christmas I buy a shitton of German sweets and i’m happy till spring
nomnomnomnomnoooooom
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
aldi's is good for everything but perishables
I don’t touch their meat, milk, etc although I’m sure most of it is fine
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
I remeber back in the day,
when my grandpa would send me off to the corner store to get his carton of Camel straights, and no one blinked an eye.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
The 20s were a helluva decade...
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
the 20's? hell that was the late 70's early 80's
especially in small towns, they don’t give a crap
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
indeed
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
i used to walk to the store down the street all the time
and buy stuff for mom or dad & they never, ever blinked or questioned me. hell i could have bought a gun if i wanted to.
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
5 years old, carrying back a 12 pack of Lucky Lager
and a carton of Camels….ah the good ole days.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
they were also marketed to on unprecedented levels
and they’ve had a lot more technology to make them lazier
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
this
“reality”
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
fritz and you are the biggest hags on this board
get off my laptop!
follow me on twitter @nickg105, @Rams_Fan_Voice
by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 17, 2010 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
I am of the opinion that reality tv is far less stupid and
mind corrupting then cable news. I mean, its sad that we’ve come to the state as a country that if everyone watched Jersey Shore instead of what they usually watch, we’d actually be better off. But here we are…
cable news is the worst
so irresponsible
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
That is sad but true
Really the only thing I watch is House and Weeds. Of course sports too.
Always late to the party
besides baseball and handegg
I watch Dexter, Eastbound and Down, Mad Men, True Blood, Chuck, and southpark. other than that I watch mr. show and tim and eric over and over
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
DEXTERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I've heard people complaining about this season
but I think it’s been phenomenal. That’s it’s even remotely as good as last season is remarkable. Generally speaking, every episode has been better than the one before it, which must be insanely difficult and is a real testament to the brilliance of the writers. It’s building up towards an awesome crescendo, can’t wait to see what it is.
WHAT THE FUCK IS PETER WELLER GOING TO DO
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
this
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
who's complaining?
this is the best season in years
by YesWeOquendo on Nov 17, 2010 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't like having them kill off Rita, but they've handled the plot device pretty well
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
I just realized that I need a new sci fi show to watch
I miss Battlestar Galactica
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
Farscape & Firelfy
The Evil Twin (Rejuvenile) was a big Battlestar fan; I didn’t give it a fair shake.
I was reading about how countless species are being pushed toward extinction by man's destruction of forests. Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - Calvin, Scientific Progress Goes "Boink", Watterson
Stargate Universe
is exceptional, in my opinion.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 17, 2010 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
huh, never heard of that one
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
Well, it helps to have watched Stargate SG-1 (10 seasons) and
Stargate Atlantis (5 seasons), even though both shows are a little conventional. SG-U just has a different, more grown-up feel to it, so much so that me and the missus sometimes preview it before we let our 14 and 10 year olds watch it.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 17, 2010 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
I liked Stargate Atlantis' set
i hope they didn’t take it down, because when i am a billionaire, i will make it my front foyer
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 17, 2010 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
Heh. Welcome to the Pegasus Galaxy!
There are beers in the fridge. The big screen is downstairs in the emergency command center. Watch out for the security system when you go outside, it’s millions of years old and a little twitchy.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I don't think I'd use an actual stargate for the entrance
but one of those oriental style round entrances would be badass. the style is rather art deco meets space. so hopefully the rest of the house could transition from that. because everyone needs to unify their traditional dining room with their underground bunker.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
It is kind of art deco, isn't it
It has lots of potential, anyway.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Is it really?
I haven’t watched any of it yet, and I kind of lost track of Atlantis after the fourth season. But maybe I’ll give Universe a chance at some point.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Well, my generation did acid instead
… otherwise that’s pretty much the 60s
ceterum censeo, delendo est Joe Strauss
Saw a bumper sticker the other day that said
“If you can remember the 60s then you probably aren’t old enough to have actually been there.”
I think that’s probably true.
by WizardofOz1982 on Nov 18, 2010 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
or you didn't do many drugs and still have a brain
Blessed are they who are pleasant to blog with....
in which case your version of the 60s probably sucks
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
The article says it originated in Britain
First they give us taxation without representation, then they give us the Spice Girls, and now this.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 17, 2010 6:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It's not our fault
Kids need a way to piss people off. The problem is that nothing pisses people off anymore.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 17, 2010 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
I think you got the order wrong...
we do eyeball shots, so we can’t see what we write, or what we’re wearing, thus we dress like dickbags. Then crumudgeons who have never drank a beverage made from a codeine/vodka/sprite mix or poured liquor in their eyes call us “assbutts” so we act rude in public.
Although, being rude in public, dumb apparel and our spelling deficiency, might also be the result of damaging our brain chemistry with “purple drank”,“jenkem”, or huffing whatever aerosol available.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
I tell you what will get you fucked up
5 parts Kettle One, 1 part soda water, 1/2 part olive juice. Neat preferably, with an ice cube if the vodka isn’t chilled. Three rocks glasses of that, nightly.
Wear a suit and read a book.
LIKE A FUCKING GENTLEMAN.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Nov 17, 2010 9:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
do you pour it in your eye, or your ear?
no way any sane person puts that in their mouth.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
I love it when a URL tells me all I need to know about an article
by DanUpBaby on Nov 17, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
Ahh, but the URL doesn't tell you if it's dangerous!
How could you possibly know putting 80+ proof alcohol directly on your eyeball is bad for you without a USA Today story?
by BTown Birds fan on Nov 17, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
well, it's not that bad
they used to drop acid into their eyeballs in the 60s
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
thereby producing the music of Jimi Hendrix
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
and that went swimmingly
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
but it was amazing, up until it stopped swimming
wake me up when lady gaga wears cheap sunglasses.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
oh yeah!
[bass line]
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 18, 2010 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
BUM BUM BUM BUM BUM BUM BUM BUMMMMM
BUM BUM BUM BUM BUM
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 18, 2010 8:03 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
"they" used to do it in the mid nineties too.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
by RiverRat on Nov 17, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i have done this
it stings like hell because they flavor the acid with mint.
Fire John Mozeliak
by purple_haze on Nov 17, 2010 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
this sub-thread broke my 'z' key
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
by prophetjohn on Nov 17, 2010 7:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
40 man news, via Brian Walton
#stlcards add five to 40-man roster: Eduardo Sanchez, Adam Reifer, David Kopp, Pete Kozma and Adron Chambers. #hpgf
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Sanchez and Reifer!
but Kozma? really?
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
I don't understand Kozma on the 40-man either.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
why in the hell has Kozma been added to the 40?
no way he’s ready for the majors at any point next season
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
dumbass moves like this are why we can never have Cazana on the team
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
AMAURY MARTI CAZANA
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I don't like him on the roster, that's an understatement
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
some team might pick him up in the Rule 5 draft
and then trade him to the Marlins for Hanley Ramirez. Can’t have that.
by DanUpBaby on Nov 17, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
so are you saying that we might trade Kozma for Hanley?
I won’t believe it until I see the title to the fanpost.
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
who had to go?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
Randy Winn, Jeff Suppan, Dennys Reyes, Jason LaRue
amongst others.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Aaron Miles...not under contract.
Just wanted to point that out.
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
yet.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
That's not the brightest decision
I’d rather drop DJ Tools(why is this guy still on 40-man roster?), leave Kozma unprotected, and add Tony Cruz, Tommy Pham, Brandon Dickson on 40-man roster. Then we’d have 39 players on 40-man roster; still one empty spot for our own rule 5 draft pick.
Cardinals fan from Korea
are any of those guys rule V eligible?
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
yes
notable unprotected prospects: Tony Cruz, Tommy Pham, Brandon Dickson, Brian Broderick, Tyler Henley, Ramon Delgado, Blake King
Francisco Samuel is still on 40-man roster too; at this point I don’t think he is more likely to be selected in the Rule V draft than King or Delgado.
Cardinals fan from Korea
well since you put it that way
I’d still rather Cazana get a 40 spot than Kozma.
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
even if Porcello was still out there?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Rick Porcello is being exposed to the rule V draft?!?
He’s a bust, but still worth a shot…
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
He could come back, hit some dingers and back-up Colby in CF
Always late to the party
So...
Tony “dont call me Arnoldi” Cruz was left exposed.
huh.
You fit into me
like a hook into an eye
a fish hook
an open eye
haha, I really like Cody Ross now.
http://miamiherald.typepad.com/fish_bytes/2010/11/loria-no-car-for-cody.html
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
That's awesome
and I’m sure Loria didn’t say “and playing for us”
Always late to the party
yeah, if he did, everyone would have boo'd him
Just fucking give him the car- you screwed up, admit it. Earn some respect.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
that's like the value of Dan Uggla!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 18, 2010 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
How do I best go about explaining to my friend
that there are very few-to-no options that could upgrade our middle infield for $5mil?
I’ve already covered how Renteria barely out-OBP’d Skip and Uribe underperformed Skip last year. I’ve yet to mention that Tejada hasn’t been competent to play SS in 5 years. I’m sure he understands we couldn’t afford Uggla, and I will shoot him down should he suggest getting the Marlins to take on his salary if we give them Miller (never!).
I’ve mentioned to him how Brendan’s ++ glove makes up for his — bat, while Skip’s neutral bat does not make up for his — glove, so Brendan is the more valuable of the two, and haven’t heard back from him on this point yet, but I know he’s not fond of defensive metrics so he’ll probably contest this point too. Ugh. I wish I was better at this.
Kyle Lohse has a No-Trade Clause.
hand him an 8x10 glossy photo of steve phillips
and explain to him, that steve phillips would approve of trading miller/boog/skip for uggla/renteria/uribe
if he continues to emulate steve phillips, find new friends
by YesWeOquendo on Nov 17, 2010 7:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Does this friend hold mock press conferences?
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
that's a no
but perhaps if i succeed, my method could be used in other circumstances
Kyle Lohse has a No-Trade Clause.
just show him the Brendan Ryan defensive highlight reel
and if he still doesn’t agree, you can give him a noogie
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
if solving disputes with noogies is wrong,
i don’t want to be right
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
I don't understand the limited focus on OBP...
You know how bad Ryan was last year? In over two hundred fewer PAs, EDGAR RENTERIA was 30% MORE valuable at SS by fWAR. (Skip was negative fWAR so Edgar was much, much better than him)
And why care if Juan Uribe “underperformed” Skip by OBP? Juan Uribe is a good defensive SS and tallied 3.2 fWAR last year (light years ahead of Boog, much less Skippy). His BABIP was a Boog-like .256 too. Skip will never sniff 3.2 fWAR in a season and I seriously doubt Ryan will ever reach that either.
Basically, if you’re friend is suggesting that Uribe would be an upgrade on our MIF, he’s right.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 17, 2010 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
i;m not convinced of that
he’s a fat guy playing SS who’s been a league average hitter one time in the last five years and that was heavily aided by a BABIP .045 points above his career average
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
fun with selective end points!
Let’s say Skip and Uribe are projected to have the same wOBA next year. And even this will depend on Skip having a BABIP 40 points higher than Uribe (which I don’t think is sustainable). Uribe has far more power and Skip will likely have a a higher average.
The difference is that Uribe is a great defensive 2b and a good SS. Skip sucks at 2B and can’t play SS.
If you’re not convinced that Uribe is very likely to be a big upgrade on Skip, you’re not looking at the numbers.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 17, 2010 11:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Uribe!
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
Uribe underperformed skip?
3.2 fWAR says no.
Fire John Mozeliak
by purple_haze on Nov 17, 2010 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
winner winner
turkey dinner
http://www.stoneworldbistro.com/TurkeyDinner/default.asp
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 7:33 PM EST reply actions
if you're in California
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
I feel like getting yelled at...
How bout some form of Rasmus and Miller for Drew and Upton?
Zona kicks in some cash considering our players are cheaper.
You fit into me
like a hook into an eye
a fish hook
an open eye
I mean, that's not an easy decision there, really
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
I don’t like it but I don’t hate it…
although zona wants mlb ready so maybe we send em cox as a ptnl or something w boog and others.
You fit into me
like a hook into an eye
a fish hook
an open eye
hell no
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
Drew's gotta play second base
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
PREFERABLY
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
wouldn't work anyways
Towers wants someone to overpay not give equal value.
not nearly as bad as a pd poster stating he had a source that we were trading Carp for Weeks.
You fit into me
like a hook into an eye
a fish hook
an open eye
we do need a second baseman
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
guess the easy answer is...
it really is just Drew for Miller and Zona would want more than that besides why would we trade Miller? He is gonna be money right..
just shut up blazer…
You fit into me
like a hook into an eye
a fish hook
an open eye
I predict that we will desperately need Miller
his attitude is hardcore. reminds me of Bradford. age doesn’t matter — they know their stuff and they’re going to step up.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
well, we'll definitely need miller.
Whether or not he “steps up” is a different story.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
why, did you hear something different from QC?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
okay, i'm pretty sure i know the answer to this
Ugla went to Hotlanta
i think that was in response to marlins asking for Rasmus
You fit into me
like a hook into an eye
a fish hook
an open eye
i knew he went to atlanta
but all i had was my phone and i got that tweet and thought atlanta flipped him to us for colby
then i get home and see dan uggla at the top of VEB
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heh
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
well i think this proves what i have been thinking
colby rasmus is vastly underrated by other teams
by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 18, 2010 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
Go fuck yourself Jon Heyman
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/jon_heyman/11/17/winter.meetings/index.html
ZERO quotes from DeWitt, Pujols, or anyone. No fucking evidence at all, yet his claim is in the fucking title! This is pure shit journalism, as bad as Strauss – Jon Heyman is the epitome of everything that’s wrong with America. I would suggest that a judge could reasonably allow for justifiable homicide in this case.
also funny
that if pujols signs for 6/150, it’s a coup for dewitt. apparently the GM wouldn’t really be a part of it
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The man we all know as "John Mozielak" is really a bodysuit...
…worn by TLR or Bill DeWitt, depending on who we’re angry with at the time.
They lent the Mo suit to Mark Shapiro once last season, but they’re hesitant to do that again. He didn’t get it cleaned, and there was some sort of man stew on there when it was returned.
there's a reason mark derosa wasn't invited to the next party
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
play fallout: new vegas
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explain to YesWeOquendo why he should game on a PC
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this is fact
and part of the reason i haven’t picked up new vegas yet. but you bet your ass when i do, it won’t be a copy for PS3 that i pick up. i learned my lesson with fallout 3
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so I should get fallout vegas, them?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
if you have a PC that can run it, yes
apparently it’s terribly glitchy on both consoles, though
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...

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
damn you
damn you and your fast expensive computer
damn youuu
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
heh heh heh
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Also, I built it for less than a grand.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
no, really, go to hell!
and then tell me about where you got the components for so cheap
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
yeah, come on
i built mine (3.2Ghz quad core phenom ii, 4GB DDR3) for $550
it;ll be pushing a grand total, though, when i get 4 more GB of RAM, another TB HDD and a good GPU
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Tiger direct
and looking at the invoice it was less than $700 for everything.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Oh, disposable income...
One day…
One day.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
here here
about once a month I make a new wish list on newegg. I can’t wait for the day when I have ~$700 to drop on a new machine
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
i made a rule, around 1998:
I’ll upgrade my computer when I can double the performance for $300.
This has served me well.
Spend the money on women and decent liquor. When you are 35, you won’t regret having not bought that new video card.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
I didn't say I upgrade every month
just that I fantasize about it about once every month (in bed).
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
the time you spend fantasizing about computers
can be better spent.
;)
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
Thinking about Star Wars?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
only if you actually build your own light saber
if you can’t do that, then you’ll be useless against the dark side, and might as well just spend your time breeding in the hopes that one of your children might have mutant ninja choriforms.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
by SleepyCA on Nov 18, 2010 1:47 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
you are correct
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
actually, that's a bad analogy
time is much more valuable than money. That’s why they pay suckers for their time.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
I ended up getting
this.
$60 after rebate.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
i would say you should get new vegas
all i’ve heard is that the game (glitches notwithstanding) is as good as fallout 3
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twatter
start mine
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
Call a friend. Do something with friend.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
do friends' homework
profit.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
call a hooker
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
we may have to explain the concept
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
call gdm, he knows best
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
what part of no i don't don't you all understand?
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Come hang out with me, broski
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
oooh there's an idea.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
so you and prophetjohn won't be friends then
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
i'm not sure who you're insulting here
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twatter
have a smoke, relax.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
dude, he's like 14
that might be illegal for you to suggest
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by prophetjohn on Nov 17, 2010 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
hell, they were
teaching him how to build a bong last week.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
for shame, VEB!
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by prophetjohn on Nov 17, 2010 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
...shame?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 17, 2010 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, i had to google to find the right word
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by prophetjohn on Nov 17, 2010 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
I was making fun of him for liking Bob Marley...
I was no part of encouraging the manufacture or paraphernalia…
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
i know, i'm breaking your balls
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by prophetjohn on Nov 17, 2010 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
well it's now night time, so you know what to do
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
by gdm426 on Nov 18, 2010 1:29 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
#$%#@!@#$%^
ORLANDO, Fla. — Little opposition has emerged to Major League Baseball expanding its playoffs for 2012 as the sport’s top officials discussed the concept during two days of meetings.
While commissioner Bud Selig has yet to formally propose adding two more wild-card teams, he said during the World Series that he has given the plan serious consideration.
General managers and owners were waiting to hear whether Selig would directly address them on the matter Thursday, when three days of meetings conclude.
“I don’t see any minuses,” Florida Marlins owner Jeffrey Loria said.
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
Because any minuses will be assumed by MLB...
Just like the Expos after he killed them.
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
Jeff Loria's line of thinking:
Longer playoff period = more money generated for teams involved
more money generated for teams involved = more money for me due to revenue sharing
Therefore, “I don’t see any minuses”
Amaury Cazana for RF in 2011 - the legend will never die!
i hate that motherfucker, i hate all of good ole bud's friends
those bastards are killing baseball
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
i don't get the outrage over this
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so, last season would have been less exciting
had the cardinals been the second wild card?
the only issue i see with it is logistical. if the number of teams isn’t a power of 2, then someone is gonna be sitting on their asses while other teams are playing
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three-way-games!
team A plays team B while team C umpires!
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
If there's one thing we need more of...
it’s baseball playoffs… The problem with the ratings is that there just aren’t enough games… we need these things stretching into at least the middle of November… I really want to go back to league champions and a 9 game series… At least then we can finish the playoffs before blizzard conditions set in.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson
the 4 and 5 seed
play 1 game playoff. That’s what I’d like to see.
Or an awesome best of 3 with day 1 being a doubleheader.
These scenarios would increase the advantage of the 1 seed as the 4/5 seeds would be weakening their rotation for the division series.
This won’t happen, but I think it’d be awesome if it did.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Nov 17, 2010 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
Not "outrage," but
I do think it’s a bad idea, for both players and (purist) fans. Reduces the chances that the best, rather than luckiest, teams will meet, by adding one that is clearly not the best. It also extends the season even deeper into a time of year not suited to baseball.
StanTheManFan
Contributes any way he can.
He's normally a nuclear physicist
Except when writing for this list.
by StanTheManFan on Nov 17, 2010 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
154 games schedule!
or doubleheaders!
Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)
'bout to ride the tsunami
wish me luck. i’ll report back with nuggets
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It was awful
I hadn’t read a full chat in a fortnight, but was bored today. Holy shit, do his “questioners” just not pay attention? Everything is redundant!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
more likely
he just answers the questions that have been already answered elsewhere.
Tough to lose that way. Worst case, you blame it on someone else.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
so, assuming he's privvy
and there’s anything to ascertain from it, it looks like uribe is the cardinals’ plan A for the MIF
meh
also, it’d be cool if this didn’t become a big discussion of joe strauss
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my god, i need to get off the internet and study
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studying is overrated
what’s it this time? biology?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
yeah
i have an exam tomorrow
and i’m borderline A/B in the class. need to do well on this exam and the final if i want to get an A in the class
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by prophetjohn on Nov 17, 2010 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
just wing it
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
not the kind of thing that can be wung
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by prophetjohn on Nov 17, 2010 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
do you think there will be a robosuit baseball league in the future?
http://laughingsquid.com/raytheon-xos-2-exoskeleton-a-wearable-robotics-suit/
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
i sure hope so
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by prophetjohn on Nov 17, 2010 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
i just got home did the Cardinals do anything today ? anything? who's on third?
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 17, 2010 10:45 PM EST reply actions
Stan got the medal
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 17, 2010 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
of freedom?
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 17, 2010 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
that thingy yeah
do we sit, now?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 17, 2010 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
yes you may be seated sir
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 17, 2010 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
i average 8.5086 comments on viva el birdos a day
not sure if that’s good or bad. what’s league average? should i consider home blog factors?
where are these facts?
Fire John Mozeliak
by purple_haze on Nov 17, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, it's better if you find a way to automate
for instance, a perl script to post “in bed” to every 7th post is a great advantage.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
7th post is about a terminal illness
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
most of those end up
in bed.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
i guess we all end up in bed eventually, eh?
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by prophetjohn on Nov 18, 2010 1:57 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
depends on the quality of our VEB posts
I hope to live forever. Unlikely, though.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
that's deep
rec
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
One would hope.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 18, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
this is math.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 17, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
it's an empty 69.3094
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 17, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
high CACIP
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
is a green a HR therefore doesn't count as a CIP?
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
by albrtfn on Nov 17, 2010 11:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
but really, you guys do know how to read the twitter, right?
I always figure you’re all joking. I really don’t have a twitter account.
I just feel I must pass on my secrets, just in case.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 17, 2010 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
no.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I really did mention this before.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 17, 2010 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
ya ...your using google news feed or something, right?
I haven’t played with it.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
no, it's much simpler than that
pick a journo’s twitter — someone who’s savvy. i’ll demonstrate.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 17, 2010 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
darn, he doesn't work
alright, i’ll let you into the inner sanctum. or the almost inner sanctum.
check out dgoold. behold his front page for a moment.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 17, 2010 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
ok
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
now look at the right-hand sidebar.
look again.
click on the Cardinals subset.
look again. your twitter is now diamonds.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 18, 2010 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
I don't see a cardinals subset.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
that only works if you don't have a twitter account you're logged into
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by prophetjohn on Nov 18, 2010 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
thus proving that I do not have a twitter account.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 18, 2010 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
I logged out, and see it.
I still think it’s just easier to have an account and never tweet to follow stuff.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
ok
I check two pages and get everything. the only time I open more than two tabs is during the playoffs, because they bring in more media.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 18, 2010 12:09 AM EST up reply actions
If you just got a Twitter account and subscribed to those people
You would check one page and get everything.
why spend even more of my time organizing and making up lists?
the beauty of it is I’m not tempted to subscribe to any of the other hundreds of twitters out there.
not to mention, I don’t know if you guys notice, but those lists only have original tweets. there are no replies.
work smarter, not harder.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 18, 2010 12:58 AM EST up reply actions
bears repeating
it also means I can read the likes of strauss without adding to his followers column
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
alright I'm lying
it’s magic.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 18, 2010 12:17 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Stan Musial awarded presidential medal of freedom. What a great day. half a minute ago via web
someone fire up the van, pos is 4 hrs away and we’re stuck with strauss
by YesWeOquendo on Nov 17, 2010 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
I may have to seek alternative means myself.
There is far too much @gordoszone in the SBN twit box for comfort right now.
Too stupid and sissy-like to say that you want out.
You make the eyes of a million girls and think you'll make them shout.
by The Continental on Nov 17, 2010 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
my black case is nearly packed
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 17, 2010 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
i tuned into channel five's stan feature
and this guy was talking about a dead duck falling from the sky before him
ooohkay.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
old footage! woot!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 17, 2010 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
Stan speaking!!!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 17, 2010 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
talks about the multiple home runs in doubleheader
paraphrasing.
“Boy I was surprised. I was lucky.”
“Albert hasn’t done that, yet.”
“Oh, he will.” Stan laughs.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 17, 2010 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
What's a doubleheader?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 17, 2010 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
...in bed
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 17, 2010 11:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
= damned lucky
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 18, 2010 12:41 AM EST up reply actions
i'll have to see if there's anything on the news here at 10 Probably not , its a cardinal wasteland here
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 17, 2010 11:15 PM EST reply actions
river rat
thought you might enjoy this. This is what my wife was did while I was at work yesterday.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on Nov 17, 2010 11:21 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
wow what a gal ! here's dinner for the next 3 months
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 17, 2010 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
I love pics of dead deer with their tongues hanging out
reminds me of this

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
It's too bad that eye guard broke,
damn near perfect other than that.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
she's awesome! where did she get him at?
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Hey scoot:
I think I pulled my hammy tonight. What can I do to make sure I can play in an ultimate frisbee tournament on Saturday?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
robotic exoskeleton?
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 18, 2010 1:07 AM EST up reply actions
rest and ice
report back on how sore it is and if you have any bruising
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
when did Craig Ferguson get a Dalek
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Pujols was in attendance at the Bulls vs Spurs basketball game in San Antonio tonight.
The announcers changed subject in the 4th quarter in a fairly close game to talk for awhile about how Pujols may be the greatest hitter in the history of baseball — and apparently one of the announcers sent someone to go buy a baseball so he could have Pujols sign it. Dude has a presence.
so he went from Springfield to San Antonio
this is the stuff of conspiracy theories.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I was going to try and play down / ignore that part of it and just enjoy the moment.
Back to depression.
oh, i was more in the "Albert is secretly recruiting" camp
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Knee-jerk reaction
After the Bill DeWitt article that went up today. Or sometime recent but I just read it today.
who lives in San Antonio that might be recruitable?
crummy grammar there, but I think I made myself understood.
Blessed are they who are pleasant to blog with....
when was he in springfield? last i heard he was in the DR?
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
did tony parker really cheat on eva longoria?
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
who could possibly tempt him to do that?
by vivaelpujols on Nov 18, 2010 1:42 AM EST up reply actions
wife of a teammate
allegedly.
she’s taller.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
taller than Eva, I mean.
but hey, now we can consider Evan …
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I was talking about parker
Cheating on one of the hottest girls on the planet with your teammates wife?
by vivaelpujols on Nov 18, 2010 1:45 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, pretty much
allegedly not the first instance
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I will never understand people factoring in how hot a wife is into
her being cheated on… So if she was ugly it would be understandable?
Guys who cheat usually do it to fill some gap they have in their self esteem, needing approval from women to validate their own worth, that it was with a teammates wife says two things to me 1. on some level the affair allows him to feel like a bigger stud than his teammate 2. Proximity kill, this is one of a few females who is around him with any consistency.
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
by TomCat009 on Nov 18, 2010 2:05 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
TC009 droppin' the knowledge bombs
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
i dont think this is the case here, as a famous athlete i assume he saw something
shiny & new & he wanted it so he went for it, damn the consequences.
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Yes, it's more understandable that a man would cheat on his wife if she wasn't hot
Not saying it’s right, but it’s understandable.
Also, amazing how you were able to determine exactly why he cheated based on the simple fact that it was with his wive’s teammate. You and Joe Strauss should hang out.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 18, 2010 2:19 AM EST up reply actions
it's not true that it's more understandable
it’s disgusting in either situation. Cheating is the manifestation of a character flaw in the cheater, not a physical flaw in the spouse.
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Yeah, just take what I said and make it more fancy
I’m on to you
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
What?
I’m saying a man is more likely to cheat on his wife if he can get with someone hotter than if he can’t. Do you actually disagree with that?
by vivaelpujols on Nov 18, 2010 2:25 AM EST up reply actions
Tiger Woods provides at least example of evidence to the contrary
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
when you get older, you'll learn looks don't matter as much as you think they do now
men & women cheat for many, many reasons. looks is generally way low on that list
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
exactly right Bill Clinton wasn't chasing tail that was
smoking hot, he was chasing what was there
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
Because the girls he cheated with were hotter than Hillary (probably)
by vivaelpujols on Nov 18, 2010 2:31 AM EST up reply actions
HAAAAAVVEEEEE You seen paula jones
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
Still hotter than Hilldog
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
maybe post makeover
but Clinton could have done better, trust me when I say Washington is littered with women better looking than Lewinski, and being a Dem he was a darling of the entertainment crowd, definitely better choices in that group
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
there's no way those were the only
women he hooked up with. Tom’s right, DC is full of hot women just dying to hook up with powerful men. trust me, to this day slick willie has his choice of women.
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Clinton once said
The Right falls in line, the Left falls in love.
Probably the most politically astute thing I have ever heard, and it makes sense why it seems like both the current prez and Willie had a rock star type ascension
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
i remember that quote
and you’re right, it’s true
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
hence the proximity kill thing
I can tell you at least three cases I personally know of wifes cheating with the next door neighbor, plus several more of fitness coaches ect.
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
he was married to hillary clinton.
Seriously, he was.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
still is, probably.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
they did just celebrate their 34th wedding anniversary
of course he was in Bangkok & she was not
they were married one year to the day before i was born. jerks.
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
lol, Bill Clinton spent his anniversary in Bangkok?
That is fantastic. I’ve been ignoring politics for a while, but this is just awesome.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
he's filming Hangover 2
and still making coin over the whole global warming thing
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
That is fair, although Hilary is not particularly
unattractive, looks wise I can’t imagine her being called “hot” and her voice is like a cheese grater on my eardrums
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
meh
looks matter a hell of a lot more for a one night stand than they do for a long-term relationship.
i wouldn’t pay $5,000 to spend a nightr with my GF. But I’d spend close to that for a night with Eva Longoria.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
as anyone seen a pic of this woman he cheated with?
i can’t imagine she’s better looking than Eva. if anything i think he just got bored & thought he could get away with it
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
that is also likely
but OTOH when “replacement level” is eva, it’s tough to generalize about human nature. We don’t know if she is any good at defense, etc.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
you're right, i'm just always surprised when someone
anyone, gets cheated on. let alone a woman 99% of the men on the plant would love to be with
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
yeah but don't forget that after a year or
two of marriage she isn’t a sex symbol, she is the one who stunk up the bathroom.
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
ok, that's kind of funny
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
so very true
but i have always been able to look passed that stuff, i guess i don’t understand why other people can’t
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
I think most people look past it
but it isn’t that your wife is human after a while, it is that she isn’t new, and exciting. I personally enjoy the deeper more affectionate love I have for my wife, but I do remember how exciting the first few weeks of a new flame can be.
I think that cheating is a lot like cocaine some people try it once or twice but eventually the risk is greater than the reward and they never look back, for others the feelings it brings are more important than the devastation it brings to those around them
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
I literally don't remember what a new flame feels like
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
it's pretty amazing in a totally irrational way
did you ever know, though? haven’t you been with your woman since you were literally children?
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
i get wanting to relive the early days
of a relationship & i get how drug like that can be for people. but just like a drug if all you are after is the fire or spark, you’re going to get burned out sooner or later & end up dying all by yourself.
i’ll take the mundane & ordinary human over dying alone every damn time
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Cocaine is a helluva a drug.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
it was an NBA wife, other than the Wookie
that Odom married that is pretty attractive bunch
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
khloe kardashian?
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Is that it's name every time I see it
I have the urge to feed it JackLinks jerky
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
I hope your GF
doesn’t lurk VEB.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
marriage is in no way entirely about trying to find the hottest woman you can find
sure it’s awesome and intrinsic to physical attraction to search for a “hot” spouse, but there are always going to be hotter women. That doesn’t me you go sleeping around with them.
To address your question. I do disagree with you. I don’t think cheating is about finding a more attractive mate, necessarily. It’s about the cheater being irresponsible, disrespectful (to themselves, their spouse, and the one they are cheating with), and comes down to a flaw in their character—a flaw that is likely to come out regardless of attractiveness of surrounding females.
note: i tried to be as non-gender specific as I could, but sometimes it’s just easier to write male/female for sake of example
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
We're not talking about marriage
We’re talking about an affair.
I will bet you anything that a guy is more likely to cheat if the person he’s cheating with is hotter than his wife.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 18, 2010 2:33 AM EST up reply actions
let me just find a sample set of 50 different guys
with 10 different instances of cheating for each guy so you’ll believe me…
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Okay, get me the data I will run the ANOHO test
by vivaelpujols on Nov 18, 2010 2:36 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
i assume you will need video?
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
At the very least....
Perhaps some testimonials as well.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 18, 2010 2:39 AM EST up reply actions
Gotta love statistical analysis humor.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
and we are talking about marriage, parker and longoria ARE married
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
this doesn't make any sense
and what i think you’re driving at is probably wrong
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
Edify me
You are saying that attractiveness has zero effect on whether or not a man cheats?
by vivaelpujols on Nov 18, 2010 2:41 AM EST up reply actions
he's in no way saying that and neither am i
he said you are probably wrong.
which means that there are other, more significant, reasons that men cheat
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Of course
I never said anything to the contrary. I said:
I’m saying a man is more likely to cheat on his wife if he can get with someone hotter than if he can’t.
And you said you disagreed.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 18, 2010 2:45 AM EST up reply actions
BUT IS THE COEFFICIENT RELEVANT
WE NEED TO DO A T-TEST GODDAMMIT
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
my point
is that whether or not a man cheats is generally (in most cases) independent of attractiveness between the two involved parties.
It’s usually done for other reasons—psycological, control, power, emotional, etc.
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
I agree while attractiveness
plays a role, it is really more the situation than the person, the feelings of being in control of your own life are more important in that moment than any promises you have made
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
i'm saying that a man who is going to cheat is going to cheat
a man who is unlikely to cheat is not more likely to cheat because he is in the presence of a woman deemed more physically attractive than his wife
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
i'm saying what you're saying!
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
A little black and white don't you think?
by vivaelpujols on Nov 18, 2010 2:51 AM EST up reply actions
and your proposal doesn't bifurcate things a bit?
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
well your proposal gondulicitates things
see, I can make up words too.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 18, 2010 2:53 AM EST up reply actions
how's your English grade?
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Oh I'm doing in great in English
Hamlet FTW.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 18, 2010 2:58 AM EST up reply actions
a google search of
shakespeare hamlet bifurcate
brought this up
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
if by "a little" you mean "too"
then, no
when you’re in a committed relationship, things go beyond, “damn, girl, you fine.” if someone is going to cheat, it’s going to be because he’s looking to satisfy something he’s not getting. this may or may not be inherent to the relationship or just a problem with the individual. it’s not going to be because someone is just hotter in a strictly physical appearance sense
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
45 year old guy loves his wife, has no reason to cheat
18 year old in a bikini knocks and front door offering sex. Does the 45 year old guy take it?
by vivaelpujols on Nov 18, 2010 2:59 AM EST up reply actions
Not if he has any sense of morality
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Not a chance, too much to lose
when I was Cab driving I literally had to tell women to put their clothes back on, but cheating was never an option
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
No... we've just been in real relationships
(Note: I’m making a huge assumption here. Sorry if I’m wrong)
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
You're not, but I don't buy that men are either cheaters or not
And that good guys never cheat for aesthetic reasons.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 18, 2010 3:07 AM EST up reply actions
Even a "good guy" can cheat
it depends on where he is upstairs. But cheating, especially for guys is hard work and it requires a lot of steps between meet girl and sleep with girl. anywhere in the process a guy can choose to walk away, and that choice is easier or harder depending on how you view your life
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
who's looking for that kind of girl anyway
when you’re that for into a relationship and still happy with it, it’s gonna take something more profound than a hard on to make you want to be with someone else
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
that was just the most ludicrous example I can think of
obviously the “dream girl” can vary by person.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 18, 2010 3:08 AM EST up reply actions
i know
but what i’m saying is that it’s going to take more than physical attraction to pull you away. you’re going to need to be satisfying something greater that you’re not getting from your partner. and if that’s the case either there’s a problem with your relationship or there’s a problem with you
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
no lie I had a hippy chick in her early
thirties get completely bare in my front seat and start rubbing me, I told her I was flattered but married. It was hell of a joke considering how hard I had to work as a single man to get into situations like that
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
one day i might just tell you all
about the time i had a chance with two women at the first job i had right out of high school. it started off a lot like that
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
this is true
better rule is, a woman can’t be friends with a man, unless he has a GF/wife hotter than she is. otherwise, he spends half his time thinking about her naked.
If you’ve ever been “just friends” with a girl hotter than your GF, and managed to not want more, you’re a better man than I am. I know literally zero honest people who fit this category. I know several deluded people who THINK they fit that category, and have known a large number, but they all end up “in the zone”.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
by SleepyCA on Nov 18, 2010 2:41 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
...this happens to me all the time
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
They are distracting but I never had a problem
with urge control, I think it was always more important to me to be respected by the women around me than it ever was to be lusted after
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
i have been friends with a lot of attractive women
who of course i wanted to hook up with but never did. they of course had better taste in men so i was never an option for them. i did date this one girl who was pretty attractive but not as attractive as my friends.and during the time we were together i never once thought about my other female friends. true story
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
good but you should really start viewing
women as the enemy, it really will help you do better romantically
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
It is called the war of the sexes for a reason
you need a battle plan
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
i was never much of a fighter
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Just saying that a good boy scout
is always prepared. Be a man that you can respect, and everything else falls into place. One of my favorite quotes of all time
Self-control is the chief element in self-respect and self-respect is the chief element in courage.
Thucydides
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
so now i have to join the scouts?
would they even let me in? i’m kind of old dude
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
by gdm426 on Nov 18, 2010 3:29 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
as someone who's been alone for as long as he can remember
the idea of cheating is totally & completely foreign to me. i just don’t understand it at all.
but you are correct, in most cases it is mostly likely due to lack of character in the cheater than any physical or personality flaw in the cheatie
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
it's always a flaw in the "cheatie"
until you have the opportunity. Then it’s like, uh, is anyone looking.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
No but millionaires tend to be somewhat solitary
not necessarily hermits but certainly less likely to be hanging around a lot of new people, and as for ascertaining why people cheat I have known a lot of cheaters and most who do it chronically are deeply unsatisfied people.
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
this is would care about
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
i'd be shocked if they don't fuck at some point
if I was a GOB, this is the kind of thing I’d bet with my fellow GOB’s on. I’d give it 4:1 odds- like, “if Evan never hooks up with Eva, then the cubs can win the WS NLT 2023”.
When it happens, if not already, it’ll be off the record- especially since she’s way older than him and can’t really pull it off anymore, and it would just be too weird to ever admit to, but just based on the history, plus the fact that the cubs are probably now involved-if it hasn’t happened yet, it will.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
by SleepyCA on Nov 18, 2010 2:10 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Apparently she's a giantic bitch though
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Someone may have already said this (but I'm not reading this whole thread)
You show me the most beautiful woman in the world….
And I’ll show you a guy who’s tired of fucking her.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 18, 2010 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
or of hearing her explain what is wrong with him
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
i don't know, i saw it on twitter all day
it just surprises me she’d get cheated on
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Cheating is indicative of douchiness of the male
It says little about the female
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
women really need to start having better standards & stop hooking up with dbags
they are ruining it for the rest of us
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
what about when your wife cheats on you with another woman .....i'm torn
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 18, 2010 2:28 AM EST up reply actions
still sucks but at least you know the kids are yours?
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
depends on how open you want your marriage i guess
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
not that open .....anyway it was along time ago and its good now but damn
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 18, 2010 2:33 AM EST up reply actions
oh i thought it was a hypothetical
dude that’s rough
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
this is completely wrong.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
Agreed each case is individual some women get cheated on once
others hundreds of times
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
The onus of not getting cheated on falls on the female?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Males are driven to cheat based on the quality of the female compared to the quality of their wife
Among the things you mentioned.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 18, 2010 2:40 AM EST up reply actions
We need to run a regression on this shit
Independent variable: Probability of getting cheated on
Dependent variables: Douchiness of male, (attractiveness of girl 2 – attractiveness of girl 1)
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Agreed
PCA might be a better approach though. Fire up the R!
by vivaelpujols on Nov 18, 2010 2:46 AM EST up reply actions
I just googled this, and it's so far over my head
Do you understand this? And you’re failing Trig?!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Seriously fuck Trig
There is not a single real life application to what I’m doing right now, it is the most boring stupid shit of all time.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 18, 2010 2:52 AM EST up reply actions
Well, if you want to be an engineer, I'm sure it's pretty important
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Actually we just had an entire test on verifying expressions (IE prove, without plugging in numbers than sinx*tanx = secx/cotx or whatever)
There is not a single practical application I can think of for that.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 18, 2010 3:01 AM EST up reply actions
but you're not learning to prove equalities
you’re learning the interchangeability of different combinations of functions
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
Yeah, you're right
Still don’t see the point of it.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 18, 2010 3:06 AM EST up reply actions
don't get me wrong,
i hated it, too. but it’s a necessary evil if you plan to take any calculus or anything higher. and it’s not that hard. it’s just a little tedious to memorize identities
proofs in general don’t get any easier, though. they haven’t for me at least. actually trig proofs are easier than mathematical logic proofs and proof by induction and all the other proof stuff i’ve done this semester
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
I really have no interest in majoring in anything math related
So I hopefully won’t need much calc.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 18, 2010 3:12 AM EST up reply actions
you'll probably have to take at least some of some form of cal
if it’s cal for business and economics, you won’t have to know any trig, though
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
just curious
what are you interested in majoring in?
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Dunno
I’m really into English or Psychology right now. I suppose I would be best at Stats, but that would be kind of boring and would require more math, which would cause drinking, which would make me stupider. Therefore, math makes you dumb.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 18, 2010 3:15 AM EST up reply actions
probably should consider a major in rhetoric
or logic either
/justsayin
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
shouldn't*
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Game Theory might interest you
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Have you read The Art of Strategy?
That book kinda turned me off game theory, but I do think the concepts are interesting.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 18, 2010 3:20 AM EST up reply actions
No... I've only read a basic book called "Rock, Paper, Scissors: Game Theory in Every Day Life"
But it just gets you thinking about discrete events in your life in a different way
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
hex 7 is so hard
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
The one I read was probably too dense for a first foray
It’s a bit too technical.
I agree about how it changes your mindset about things, the problem is that it’s nearly impossible to actually change your decision making using game theory.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 18, 2010 3:24 AM EST up reply actions
Browse through
http://www.mindyourdecisions.com
A lot of interesting game theory stuff on there
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
computer graphics uses the shit out of trig
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
partly on the female
partly on the gender. It’s really all about game theory. Average females can’t get access to the best genes if elite men don’t cheat at least some of the time- and it’s better for the elite female to have elite males cheat MOST of the time, even if that affects their relationship with the average or below-average males, since they only really need to have sex once a year or so.
A great book to read is “The Red Queen”, by Matt Ridley. Basically a compilation/summary of 20+ years of scientific studies on human sexuality, written in layman’s terms with easy-to-understand analogies and basic metaphors.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
note- this doesn't excuse it
just explains it.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
by this logic the most successful men would be the most rampant
but in my experience unemployed men with decent builds and a drug problem have more sex than any other group
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
perhaps a move out of the basement would help
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 18, 2010 3:01 AM EST up reply actions
beer, brownies and bacon
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
If you are in shape, smell nice and smile
success is right around the corner. Just remember that men are like dogs and women like cats. If you run up to a Labrador and smother it in affection you will make it’s day, try that shit with a cat and you will be lucky to see it again. If you want a cat to like you be interesting, not interested they will work their way around to you
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
so if men are dogs
and you’re a tomcat…
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
I stole it from a Tom Waits song
“Oh the night does funny things inside a man, and these old tomcat feeling I don’t understand” from one of the best songs ever written
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
keep getting in shape, smell good & be interesting
i’ve never been that interesting, so that might be my biggest problem. i’m pretty boring actually.
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Buy Tom Waits the Early Years Vol. 2
Sit on a couch with them, drink some Malbec, listen to said album, look sad and you will no longer be uninteresting you will be deep, and introverted.
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
So does he just invite girls over to look sad with him?
by vivaelpujols on Nov 18, 2010 3:28 AM EST up reply actions
ya i could do that now without the record
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Pick up a Milan Kundera book
or two, or read A Farewell To Arms right before they show up. They will think someone important died just from the dazed soul punched expression you are wearing
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
i can do dazed & soul punched in my sleep
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
just remember it is a fine line
you walk between them feeling for you, and them feeling sorry for you.
in the first scenario you are a wounded soul in need of affection, if the second happens you can kiss your chances goodbye.
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
ya you're right, that's a fine line
i always seem to just get the sympathy & have them feel sorry for me
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
My sister told me when I was about
ten that it is better a girl hates you than feels sorry for you(not in the sorry your dad died way, rather the whoa sucks to be you way) because hate can fade or be the flip side of attraction it is hard to respect someone who you feel sorry for, and in my theory women chase men they respect.
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
this is actually true.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
I would suggest watching a movie
maybe City of Lost Children, and cooking her dinner
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
true cats are curious and will come around if you ignore them or look away enough
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 18, 2010 3:15 AM EST up reply actions
every time i ignore this one girl she gets bored
and wants nothing to do with me. only when i show her some attention does she pay attention to me. it’s really f’ing annoying. oh & when i tell her about other women she gets jealous & really starts paying attention.
so very annoying
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Look up the lyrics to "Second Hand News"
by Fleetwood Mac the chorus pretty much says it all
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
that's kind of a dirty song
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
I a bit but I always loved the line
“you know it’s true you only want me when I get over you” it is the cat thing again if you lose interest they walk all over your keyboard
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
those are the lyrics i found
i know there’s nothing to say
Someone has taken my place
When times go bad
When times go rough
Won’t you lay me down in tall grass
And let me do my stuff
I know I got nothin’ on you
I know there’s nothing to do
When times go bad
And you can’t get enough
Won’t you lay me down in the tall grass and let me do my stuff
Down down down down de do down
Down down down down de do down
Down down down down de do down
Down down de do de it do
Down down down down de do down
Down down down down de do down
Down down down down de do down
Down down
One thing I think you should know
I ain’t gonna miss you when you go
Been down so long
I’ve been tossed around enough
Oh, couldn’t you just
Let me go down and do my stuff
I know you’re hopin’ to find
Someone who’s gonna give you peace of mind
When times go bad
When times go rough
Won’t you lay me down in the tall grass and let me do my stuff
Down down down down de do down
Down down down down de do down
Down down down down de do down
Down down de do de it do
Down down down down de do down
Down down down down de do down
Down down down down de do down
Down down
Do it, do it, do it!
Down down down down de do down
Down down down down de do down
Down down down down de do down
Down down de do de it do
Down down down down de do down
Down down down down de do down
Down down down down de do down
Down down
I’m just second hand news
I’m just second hand news
Yeaaaah!
I’m just second hand news
I’m just second hand news
Yeaaaah!
I’m just second hand news
I’m just second hand news
Yeaaaah!
I’m just second hand news
I’m just second hand news
Yeaaaah
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
I can't believe I wrote Second Hand News
it was Monday Morning I was thinking of
same album
Monday morning you sure look fine
Friday I got travelin on my mind
First you love me, then you fade away
I can’t go on believin’ this way
I got nothing but love for you
Now tell me what you really wanna do
First you love me then you get on down the line
But I don’t mind.
I don’t’t mind
I’ll be there if you want me to
No one else that could ever do
Got to get some peace in my mind.
Monday morning you sure look fine
Friday I got travelin on my mind
First you love me then you say it’s wrong
You know I can’t go on believing for long
But you know it’s true
You only want me when I get over you
First you love me then you get on down the line
But I don’t mind
No, I don’t mind
I’ll be there if you want me to
No one else that could ever do
Got to get some peace in my mind
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
you lack two of the more important characteristics
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
i'm sure i could learn to smoke weed
or at least add it to the brownies
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Come to Colorado they sell it in cupcakes here
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
That's way better than the 6 dollar cupcakes they sell in LA
by vivaelpujols on Nov 18, 2010 3:05 AM EST up reply actions
Have you heard of porchpies.com?
Apparently they’re the best in LA. $30 though
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
no that will attract cheaters
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 18, 2010 3:04 AM EST up reply actions
yeah or wait untill you are 30 and it dies on it's own
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
it used to be blonde & i never, ever got even so much as a sniff
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
what ! are you the freakin elephant man dude ?
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 18, 2010 3:05 AM EST up reply actions
the people who have the most sex are married.
or in a committed relationship.
The people who have the most random, uncommitted sex are probably (hopefully) single, and even then it’s not what you’ve really observed. In general, the old sabermetric adage applies- pretty much everything you think you know from watching your friends is small sample size, with tremendous bias.
Most guys, and most girls, don’t tell you everything they do- or much of anything, really. But they all have the same desires you have.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
by SleepyCA on Nov 18, 2010 3:10 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
that's worth a rec
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
I would like to agree with you but, I can say honestly
that the unemployed guy usually has a girlfriend he lives with, and four or five side projects
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
come on man
you’re just going to make gdm feel bad
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
no more than usual dude
no more than usual
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
yeah, you know that one guy
and there are a couple of million unemployed guys who don’t have that. Probably more than one that you know.
or maybe every unemployed guy has 6+ women dying to screw them, and they just advertise their “how to get chicks by being unemployed” self help video during the day, when we’re all at work, so we never see them. sigh.
probably a good thing- I have no idea what I’d do with “a chick i lived with and four or five side projects”.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
now I was saying who has the most in total certainly
not the most satisfying, or rewarding. I have known a lot of guys in that vein and while their relationships never last(or their jobs) they never seem to be out of one long.
The four friends I can think of who spent the longest stretches single were the nicest guys, and the most loyal.
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
i doubt most women have the desire to make bacon covered bourbon brownies
but i sure hope i find one that does
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
keep looking and consider cooking school
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 18, 2010 3:17 AM EST up reply actions
i would love to be a chef, i think i really would
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
dude, do it
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
do it there's funding and its a blast
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 18, 2010 3:20 AM EST up reply actions
that's the problem, i've got a lot of responsibilities
with my mom that have prevented me from doing it or i probably already would have done that or something like UTI or WyoTech
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
seriously do it tomorrow
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
hopefully next fall i can start at the local one up here
or one of the ones in the STL.
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
do it
Viva El Bar needs a cook
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 19, 2010 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
please, no gif responses
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
my gif's have been taken away for the time being
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
damn, you're droppin truth in this thread, 2 recs for you sir
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 19, 2010 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
The correct answer is
Who the hell is Tony Parker?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
it's some kind of game with a ball
and apparently he’s french
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
for the record
i never said anything about pre-nup
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
one day Kanye will read VEB and write a song about us
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 18, 2010 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
So in case you didn't know
The cleveland show has a lot of episodes about baseball
like the latest one
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
VEB sitemeter is cool
pretty fun to play with
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
it's somewhat of an easter egg
i just found it.
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Argentina's Dancing With the Stars is wayyyyy better than ours
…This is NSFW
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfh_HbG8TqQ&feature=related
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
hoollleeeeee shit
i’ve seen porn that was less porny than that
damn
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
by gdm426 on Nov 18, 2010 2:53 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Man, VEB get's fired up about celebrity sex scandals
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
oh ya know
I’ve been faithful to my wife for all of 3.5 months that we’ve been married, so i’d say things are going well.
You?
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Not married yet, but I've been faithful for the 7.5 years we've been together
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I guess I should clarify that I was faithful the entirety of the 3.5 years we dated beforehand too then
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Whatever I still win
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
How positively boring!
But I can’t talk, I’ve been faithful to my wife for almost three years and we have an almost two year old kid. And I’m getting grey hair. There just aren’t enough celebrities in my life to have scandals with, you know?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
yeah it's just a bunch of dudes too
where are the women of VEB?
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
probably talking baseball in some bar
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 18, 2010 2:56 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
they need to get in touch with their emotions
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
yeah where's d-dee and spants
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 18, 2010 3:03 AM EST up reply actions
the only emotions those two have scare me
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
by gdm426 on Nov 18, 2010 3:06 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah i think they involve knives and cutting objects
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 18, 2010 3:08 AM EST up reply actions
i would never cheat on them that's for sure
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
by gdm426 on Nov 18, 2010 3:10 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i think they would be cheaters not the guys
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 18, 2010 3:12 AM EST up reply actions
Like I said some women only get cheated on once
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
Beatles nerds
Have you heard “How Do You Sleep?” off of John’s second solo album?
Fucking incinerates Paul
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
That's way better than most of the other Beatles songs I've heard
by vivaelpujols on Nov 18, 2010 3:27 AM EST up reply actions
You've probably been listening to the early stuff?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Give me your top 10 Beatles songs
Because, I mean I’ve given them a chance, and I’m just not convinced.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 18, 2010 3:32 AM EST up reply actions
Oh God
In no particular order:
While My Guitar Gently Weeps
Rocky Raccoon
I’ve Just Seen a Face
In My Life
She’s Leaving Home
Help!
I’m Only Sleeping
And Your Bird Can Sing
I’ll Follow The Sun
A Day in the Life
I’m sure I missed something egregiously
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
You gotta have "Weeps". Clapton played the solo on it.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 18, 2010 3:42 AM EST up reply actions
I love While My Guitar Gently Weeps and A Day In the Life
I absolutely hate Help. I’ll give the other ones a listen.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 18, 2010 3:43 AM EST up reply actions
Actually, here's a list of songs just to show the wide range that they could cover
“She Loves You” – Classic poppy song
“Helter Skelter” – The song that essentially created the metal genre
“Within You Without You” – Indian
“Revolution” (The one on Past Masters) – Hard Rock
“You’ve Got to Hide Your Love Away” – Folk/Dylanesque
“In My Life” – Nostalgic ballad
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Within You was one of Harrison's, wasn't it?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 18, 2010 3:46 AM EST up reply actions
yes only harrison and trad indian musicians
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
Yeah, Harrison was lonely as shit during Pepper
They just left him alone to work on this track.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
helter skelter is one of my favorites because of that reason
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
How to classify Rocky Racoon
Bungalow Bill
For the Benefit of Mr Kite
Revolution 9
Octopus’s Garden
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
I'm just unimpressed
They are significantly worse technically than the other british bands of their era (Zeppelin, Floyd, Stones, the Who, the Kinks, the Yardbirds), and the bulk of their songs sound too poppy for my taste. Whatever, I’ll listen to more of their stuff later.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 18, 2010 3:56 AM EST up reply actions
...those all came later
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
and many would say because of
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
Actually, the Stones are from the same time, The Beatles just got here quicker.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 18, 2010 3:59 AM EST up reply actions
yeah but the stones developed that sound after
hearing the post Hamburg sound
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
Hmmm, Guess I didn't realize that.
It always struck me more that the Stones took their sound more Muddy Waters and Howling Wolf than really anything that the Beatles did. The Beatles always struck me as more of the Chuck Berry Style and less of the straight up blues that the other bands did.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 18, 2010 4:11 AM EST up reply actions
And on the subject of the Stones,
I have to say that the intro to Gimme Shelter is probably my favorite intro of all-time.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 18, 2010 4:14 AM EST up reply actions
Ohh the definitely were heavily influenced by the american delta
but when the Bugs got back from that hamburg gig they were razor sharp, everyone had to step their game up
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
Gotcha. I see what you're getting at now.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 18, 2010 4:20 AM EST up reply actions
Not true
The Yardbirds came before The Beatles and The Stones, Kinks and Who were all around the same time. Only Zeppelin came significantly after the Beatles, and Page was already playing for the Yardbirds before that, so I doubt he was heavily influenced by the Beatles.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 18, 2010 4:00 AM EST up reply actions
That's almost two different genres.
I never found the Beatles to be anywhere nearly as blues influenced as the Stones and definitely not the Yardbirds.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 18, 2010 4:03 AM EST up reply actions
Also, their "poppy" stuff was significantly harder than the other songs being played at the time
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Not even close
The bands I mentioned had much “harder” songs than anything from the Beatles.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 18, 2010 4:03 AM EST up reply actions
The Beatles were the first of them, man
This is the song that was #1 two weeks before “She Loves You”
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Erm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbNP5yqg7hc
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
meh, surf rock was very technically sound
Dick Dale could play circles around the Beatles. Obviously, if you’re going to compare the Beatles to pop they’ll look good.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 18, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
I just DLed the remastered stereo set
been listening to it lately, it’s made my week
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
If you haven't taught yourself to do this yet
First rule of Beatles listening: Be able to distinguish between their voices and their songwriting styles
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
you mean like
“Hey ringo, I’ve got an idea, let’s go record 2 minutes of me proposing copulation in the road. I’ll use my great blues voice. You stamp out a little beat. I’ll clap. It’ll be gold.”
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
No
Paul’s songs are very flowery, optimistic, and use a wide vocal range. “She’s Leaving Home” is a pretty quintessential song
John songs are moody, pessimistic, and pretty dark. “Run For Your Life” is an extreme example of a John song
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
For all of John's pacifistic, flower child, " I love everybody" BS.
The dude had a horrific temper.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 18, 2010 3:45 AM EST up reply actions
True dat
Though the hippie John was essentially all of Yoko’s doing
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
There's a syndicated radio program on a station that I listen to that is called "The Beatle Years".
I’ve learned a whole lotta shit about them that I’d never heard of before, And I’ve been listening to them for longer than you’ve been alive.lol
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 18, 2010 3:50 AM EST up reply actions
I never really gave them a good listen until my Beatles class
Now they’re basically all I listen to
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Fuck Yoko.....
and not in bed.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Paul mentioned how much that hurt in their bio
turns out Paul was right, and that Epstein was not looking out for their interest, he was too green.
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
What do you mean by that?
The Epstein part
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
that Epstein negotiated deals that were so bad that after he died
Paul ended up suing the entity The Beatles to try and pry some of the songs free. He sad he made a hundred times more money with Wings than he did with the Beatles
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
That's how Michael Jackson ended up owning the Beatles' song catalog.
Epstein had it set-up so that the band didn’t really own any of their own stuff. Paul essentially had to ask MJ for the rights to sing his own damn songs.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 18, 2010 3:56 AM EST up reply actions
sometimes John's voice just really gets on my nerves
I much prefer the sound of Paul
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
I prefer Paul as well
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Absolutely Breathtaking. Words cannot describe
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
What about the words "Absolutely breathtaking?"
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
don't do it justice
also revolution 9 sounds awesome in stereo
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Least listened to song in the Beatles catalog haha
Which is a shame, because that makes people skip over “Good Night,” the last song on the White Album
Beautiful Ringo-sung song
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
yeah, i just listened to that and now i'm really sleepy
now rocky raccoon to liven things up a little, lol
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
What the hell time do you go to bed
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
2am pacific
I just live in chicago
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

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