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Movement On Many Fronts

Let me tell you why Jake Westbrook's new contract is a good one for the Cardinals: because Ted Lilly got 3 years and $30 million (plus a $3.5 million signing bonus), and he and Ol' Blue Eyes are going to be the same pitcher next year.

Actually, I'm not sure that makes the Jake Westbrook contract a good one for the Cardinals. I am pretty sure that makes it a good contract for John Mozeliak, who needed a win in a bad way. I'm still not a fan of no-trade clauses (see: the last multi-year pitching contract Johnny Mo completed), but if that's what it took to make this a two-year deal instead of a three-year deal, then I think I can live with the no-trade just fine.

So in a vacuum, I think this is a very good deal. Westbrook at $16.5 million for two years is a much better deal than I thought the Cards would be able to sign him to after witnessing some of the contracts being bandied about here of late. Less money and less years = win.

Star-divide

However, things like this never happen in a vacuum, do they? No, contracts and trades and even the moves you don't make always come attached to context, which is just giant pain in the ass as far as I'm concerned. And the context for this move is the Dan Uggla deal, in which the Atlanta Braves sent Omar Infante and Mike Dunn to the Marlins in return for 30 homers a year out of second base. To provide a bit more context, Omar Infante is a career utility infielder who managed himself a really nice 2010 and Mike Dunn is a left-handed reliever. In other words, Atlanta didn't exactly get robbed in this trade.

I'm not sure the Cardinals had exactly the same pieces to trade for Uggla the Braves did, but I would be willing to bet they could have put together at least as strong a package, and probably have done a little better, without sacrificing anything they were going to miss too horribly.

If you're asking me if I like the Jake Westbrook contract, then yes, I do. Two years at maybe a little better than market value, with the rarely-seen mutual option included, is a very good deal. If, on the other hand, you're asking me if I would rather have Jake Westbrook for the money and two years or Dan Uggla for the talent and the money and one year (plus a draft pick when he leaves), then I have to say I think I might prefer Uggla. Maybe not, but I think I just might.

It's really a pretty fantastic deal for the Braves, as they managed to move Infante after what looks very much like an outlier season. Think Kent Bottenfield. Uggla will give them an immediate offensive shot in the arm, whether they leave him at second or move him to third in the event of Chipper Jones staying gone. He sure would have looked good wearing El Birdos.

There's a lesson to be had here about deadweight contracts. A while back, someone in the comments section here was huffing and puffing about how they couldn't stand that posters keep bringing up the Kyle Lohse deal, and that it hasn't really caused the Cards to lose out on anything. Well, this is exactly why many of us can't let it go. As things stand now, the Cardinals are spending a fortune on pitching, with roughly $20 million dollars allocated to their 4th and 5th starters' spots, and that's only if there isn't any sort of competition in spring training which changes things. On the other hand, if you take that $12 million the Cardinals are going to pay Lohse in 2011 off the books, suddenly you could literally have your cake and eat it too. They could have handed Westbrook his money then turned around and dealt Tyler Greene and Brian Broderick to the Marlins for Dan Uggla. Bottom line, the reason the Cards couldn't make the same kind of trade here the Braves did wasn't because they couldn't match  the package sent over, they couldn't make the deal because they couldn't take on the additional salary. It becomes an either/or proposition; either solidify the rotation with Westbrook, or bring in the slugger at second and go into 2011 with two huge question marks in the rotation.

There have been a couple other moves of note recently; nothing earth-shattering, but good for a paragraph on a Wednesday in November.

-- One of my perennial favourite breakout candidates, Andrew Miller, was traded to the Boston Red Sox for a minor-league reliever by the Marlins. Miller has put up outstanding strikeout numbers in his career, but hasn't had much luck in controlling his walks. He could very well be the next Oliver Perez, but I would still have liked to see the Cardinals take a chance on him. Personally I still think he can get there one day, and the team that has him if and when he does is going to get a fantastic bargain. Interesting side note: the Red Sox now have both members of that terrifying one-two punch North Carolina had in their rotation when they won the College World Series. Daniel Bard was actually the more raw pitcher of the two back then. Of course, that was before the Marlins attempted to overhaul Miller's delivery and move him from a low arm slot much like Madison Bumgarner up to whatever it is he's trying to do now. He may be too badly broken to salvage. Tough to say.

-- How bad is that package Detroit sent to the Marlins for Miggy Cabrera and Dontrelle looking now? Cameron Maybin was also traded this week, to the San Diego Padres. Maybin is a tools monster, but has never really developed much in the way of plate discipline or actual baseball skills. You have to wonder if the fact Detroit brought him up to the majors at the age of 20 had anything to do with his stagnation.

There does seem to be a pattern there with the Tigers and rushing their high draft picks. Maybin was in the majors at 20 and never developed. Rick Porcello was a fixture in the rotation at 20 and has gone backward. Andrew Miller pitched in Detroit the year he was drafted, after three games in the minors. He started 2007 in High A at 22, pitched well, moved to Double A, dominated, moved to Triple A, got knocked around in two starts, and then moved on up to Detroit. Three first-round draft picks, all considered absolute steals where they were picked, all three rushed to the big leagues in a god a'mighty hurry, all three now struggling to find a path to productivity. Wonder how long it'll take Jake Turner to appear in a major league game?

 -- The A's picked up Edwin Encarnacion off waivers from the Blue Jays. This wouldn't really be newsworthy, except it means Kevin Kouzmanoff could very well go on the waiver wire himself soon. Any interest? I realise we already have a third baseman, but between Freese's breakaway ankles and the fact Matt Carpenter would probably benefit from playing in Triple A, I don't think it would be too bad of an idea to kick the tires on the Crushin' Russian. He's been a fantastic fielder the last two seasons, worth 9.9 runs and 17.5(!) runs in 2009 and 2010, respectively. He hasn't hit much, but has been hurt somewhat by playing in hitter's graveyards in San Diego and Oakland. It would certainly be preferable to watching Pedro Feliz or his non-Union Mexican equivalent play in place of an again-injured David Freese...

-- And, lastly but certainly not leastly, it now appears both Upton brothers could be on the block. The DBacks are apparently listening to offers for Justin, a smart idea considering that team really needs a ground-up renovation. Justin would certainly be more costly to acquire than B.J., but he also hasn't suffered nearly as hard a fall. Personally, I would pass on Justin, as I'm sure Arizona will want a sizable return, but I wouldn't be averse to finding out what it would take to bring B.J. into the fold. He needs some help with his swing, it seems to me, where he's fiddled with a leg kick off and on for years and now doesn't seem to have any idea what to do, but the glove is very much legit in center, making me think he just might make a fantastic right fielder.

Ah, the Hot Stove season. Stupid and baseless and oh so satisfying.

the Baron's Playlist for the 17th of November, 2010

"I Think I Love You" - Less Than Jake

"So It Goes" - The Broken West

"It's Just a Matter of Time" - Brook Benton

"Blue Eyes Crying In the Rain" - Willie Nelson

"Two More Years" - Bloc Party

"Sink, Florida, Sink" - Against Me!

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hmmm, I wonder if the Cards had pressed more for Uggla they could have made the deal

but Tony likes Skip, so he’s the starter it seems

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 12:47 PM EST reply actions  

Tony would like Uggla even more.

That’s my guess. He certainly fits the TLR player mold. Power + OBP + very durable. Perfect candidate for the Tony’s “power in the 2-spot” lineup.

BTW – Good article, baron. Certainly agree w/your take on the Westbrook sign/Uggla miss.

by Matt Bug on Nov 17, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

true

I keep forgetting we basically can’t afford him

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

TLR knows what OBP is?

I’m pretty sure he only knows about avg

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1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Nov 17, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Fixed.

TLR knows what OBP is?
 I’m pretty sure he only knows about avg grit

by SouthsideCardsFan on Nov 17, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

average factors into grit

the emptier your average, the higher your grit quotient. After all, anyone can trot around the bases after a dinger, but it takes a real mother-gritting sumbitch to beat out the throw on an infield single by sliding into first

by mattyp on Nov 17, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Uggla is up for arbitration right?

How much do you suppose he’ll make?

He’s 31 and made 7.8M in 2010.

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Nov 17, 2010 12:48 PM EST reply actions  

**He'll be 31 by Opening Day.

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Nov 17, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Huh

I guess I’ll add him to my list of “players who are surprisingly older or about the same age as Albert Pujols”.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 17, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

usually goes 40/60/80 of market value, as a rule of thumb, doesn't it?

So you’d expect about a one-third increase this year; probably something like 10.5m.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 17, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, probably can't afford him

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

That was kind of what I was getting at.

although, i’m really not sure what they realistically have to spend. But adding 10+M to the payroll (well, a little less than that considering I’m sure someone off the 25 would have been dealt, but then again, Bryan Anderson doesn’t make that much money), might be something they’re trying to avoid before they officially lock up Pujols and really know how much they have after.

Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid.

- John Wayne

by Tackle Box on Nov 17, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, it seems like it is hard to tell what the payroll is these days

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Doesn't this discussion alway revert to the Albert que$tion?

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Nov 17, 2010 8:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey guys

Sorry I’ve not been in much lately – busy life things, a deflating end to the season, and lots of work have kinda interfered.

I’d just like to echo RB’s precis of the Westbrook signing – I really like the deal, I think it’s about as little as we could’ve got him for and signing early (before all the other middle-of-the-rotation types are off the market) doesn’t seem as bad as it did a couple of years ago with Lohse. All in all, the best news we’ve had in a few Cardinals months I think.

I tend to agree that Kouzmanoff might be a good pickup too – I’m guessing he’d be available for next to nothing and he is, more or less, what we’d expect from David Freese in a healthy year – a slightly sub-par bat and a very good glove. If we could get him for, say, a Tommy Pham or other such toolsy but low-likelihood-of-succeeding-type prospect I imagine that’d be a good move.

Not sure I’d make a play for BJ Upton, though – he’s not going to be that cheap now he’s in arby, and although he might eventually turn into a type B, I doubt he’s a large upgrade over what we have in RF now (the Craig/Jay platoon) and it’s tough to see where he fits in. I’m guessing it takes one of our top ten prospects to land him, too.

Anyhow, here’s to an increasingly less dull hot stove season!

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 17, 2010 12:50 PM EST reply actions  

Agree about Upton

Isnt a lot of his value tied to the fact that he plays CF? I dont think his bat passes in a corner OF spot considering the money he is making.

1.14.10, the day I went green.

by njnick on Nov 17, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, Upton seems a bit overrated

BJ that is

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Bj is never over-rated....

;=8)

My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Nov 17, 2010 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Rains?

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 17, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Bj Rains?

Was Ron Jeremy in that one?

My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Nov 17, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

bad cow

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

As soon as I read Chitown's comment

I said to myself: “3,2,1, There it is.”

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 17, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

in or out of bed

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 17, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

kouz

if he became Freely Available (and priced accordingly), this could be a nice doubling of our league-average talent at 3B. Having watched a fair amount of his games, I’m also aware of how frustrating his hitting can be to watch though. It’s also great to hear Vin Scully pronounce his name. Kooooooouzmanoff.

by mikey_mac on Nov 17, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I Like Koos....

…but he can’t take a walk for shite. I like him as a back up, and maybe Big Mac can teach him some patience…although if you didn’t get that with the MoneyBall folks you’d think you never would.

My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Nov 17, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

it's been weird to see him turning into a all-field no-hit third baseman

his claim to fame as a prospect was as a mediocre third baseman who hit .379 with power for a half a season.

by DanUpBaby on Nov 17, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

that claim-to-fame landed him on my fantasy team his second year

that mistake was not repeated.

he has a hitting mentality unlike anyone else on the BOB, though… swing hard and often. could be an exciting change of pace, if ultimately unsatisfying.

by mikey_mac on Nov 17, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

He's like a younger Pedro Feliz.

"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy

by hazel on Nov 17, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

High dFAWARP?

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 17, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

RE: both Uptons

Let me preface, by saying (and seriously hoping) this doesn’t open up a heated racism discussion. But the thought of either Upton landing here does make me wonder about the lack of African-American players on Tony’s teams. I’m trying to think of the last guys we had here. Off the top of my head, Lankford and Ray King come to mind. And weren’t each on the outs w/TLR when they parted? I know he’s had really good relationships with a few – e.g., Harold Baines, Dave Stewart, Willie McGee. But I’m wondering if these are exceptions. Just something I’m curious about, ‘specially given STL’s demographics. Like I said, I’m not trying to ignite a lightning rod. But I think the subject’s worth an even-tempered discussion.

I do like both Uptons. J-Up a little more if we’re talking about a fit for the Cards AND his shoulder is healthy. He’s signed through 2015 at a reasonable rate. If he blossoms into the superstar he’s projected to be, the contract is a steal. Like all other considerations this off-season, if either would come at the expense of a Pujols extension, no thanks.

by Matt Bug on Nov 17, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Not Touchin' That One...

:=8.

My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Nov 17, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Smart move, MooCow.

I should have known better. ;)

by Matt Bug on Nov 17, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

moooove

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Nov 17, 2010 8:06 PM EST up reply actions  

In bed?

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by redbirdnation8206 on Nov 17, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not just STL......

the number of African-Americans MLB wide has plummeted over the last 20 years, and is something that they are trying to address through programs such as RBI (I think is what they call their inner city program.)

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 17, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I know!

Good point, RiverRat. And RBI is a great program. Decades ago, inner city would play baseball in the streets. Not too much of that going on these days. RBI is addressing a very real need.

by Matt Bug on Nov 17, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, there's not really anywhere to play in the city, and basketball has been huge

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed.

And the NBA has done a very good job of marketing itself there. MLB, not so much. But at least it appears MLB has recognized this and tried to take an initiative to do better now starting with the RBI program.

by Matt Bug on Nov 17, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

because everyone gets a 15 million dollar contract?

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 17, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly this

you think the Kyle Lohse contract is bad….

Always late to the party

by Skips OCD on Nov 17, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

the compensation-system in the NBA

is borderline insane.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 17, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Kenyon Martin makes over 10MM annually

Luke Walton has a 6year 30MM contract… we could do this all day.

Always late to the party

by Skips OCD on Nov 17, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

...Includes pretty much any Houston Rockets contract in the late 90's

Kelvin Cato – 6/42mm
Mo Taylor – 6/48mm
Matt Maloney – 5/32mm
Shandon Anderson – 6/41mm
Moochie Norris – 6/23mm (a value!)

Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork

by TBender on Nov 17, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I hate the word compensation...

why is it when it gets over a certain number it becomes compensation and stops being a wage/salary?

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Nov 17, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Technically. . .

a wage is measured by the hour or (perhaps) other metric, while salary is paid on an annual basis without regard to any metric.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Nov 17, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree...

but when does it stop being called either of those and begin being called compensation?

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Nov 17, 2010 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

They are both compensation

FWIW. As are fringe benefits like health insurance, a company car, etc.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Nov 17, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you're missing my point...

whenever you or I hammer a check it’s called getting paid. When CEOs hammer a check it’s called compensation. At what number does it stop being called getting paid and start being called compensation?

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Nov 17, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe because they get paid whether or not they work.

Spend a year and a half on the DL, you’re still compensated due to contractual obligation.

I don’t have a dog in this fight, though.

by spants on Nov 17, 2010 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

is that a cheap shot at Michael Vick?

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 18, 2010 1:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Heh.

It totally wasn’t.

by spants on Nov 18, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

all payment in return for services rendered is considered

“compensation.” Take it from me, I’m currently taking Federal Income Taxation!
/ties IRC to self, jumps into river

by mattyp on Nov 17, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

they're still reeling after Jordan retired

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

The difference between a sport people will play on their own

and a sport people will spend money on?

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 17, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

oh I'll spend money on basketball, but only if it's college

the gap in entertainment value between college basketball and pro basketball is laughably huge.

by mattyp on Nov 17, 2010 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

You just gotta imagine the announcer saying "HE'S ON FIRE"

all the time. Also, “HE’S HEATING UP…” and “FROM DOWNTOWN!!!”

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 17, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

its also laughably huge in talent level

i can be entertained by any nba playoff game…that isnt always the case w/ college “playoff” games

by guillermozeliak on Nov 17, 2010 10:30 PM EST up reply actions  

because it sucks

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 17, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

in bed.

Bob Feller is THE prime example of a cranky old man...working with him a 8:00 AM has to be one of the most dangerous jobs in America.

by mtzxc on Nov 17, 2010 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

But I think the subject’s worth an even-tempered discussion.

Sorry, but no it’s not unless you have something more substantial than “he didn’t get along too well with a couple of black guys”

by mattyp on Nov 17, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Alls i got to say on the subject is....

…it takes both black and white to make Holstein!

;=8)

My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Nov 17, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

And it takes both

to make a black and tan.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 17, 2010 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Not just that...

…but we’ve had very few African-Americans wear the BoB in recent years. I didn’t wanna create a list of guys, but if you want more than two, I’ll throw Ron Gant and (the overly-chronicled) Kerry Robinson in there as well.

by Matt Bug on Nov 17, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I think so, yeah.

I’ll try to do a little research to back it up. But I’m thinking of MLB teams and at least in the past few years, seems we’ve lacked in this cat.

by Matt Bug on Nov 17, 2010 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

OK, here's a list...

This is the best I can do for now. Checked MLB depth charts and came up with the following:

BAL – Adam Jones, Josh Bell
LAA – Torii Hunter, Howie Kendrick
HOU – Michael Bourn
OAK – Coco Crisp, Rajai Davis
TOR – Vernon Wells, Fred Lewis
ATL – Jason Heyward
MIL – Rickie Weeks, Prince Fielder
CHI – Marlon Byrd
ARI – Chris Young, Justin Upton
LAD – James Loney, Matt Kemp
SFG – none
CLE – Michael Brantley
SEA – Chone Figgins, Milton Bradley
FLA – none
NYM – none
WAS – Nyjer Morgan
SDP – Will Venable, Cameron Maybin, Tony Gwynn
PHI – Jimmy Rollins, Ryan Howard, Dominic Brown
PIT – Andrew McCutchen, Lastings Milledge, James McDonald
TEX – Julio Borbon, Darren Oliver
TAM – Carl Crawford, BJ Upton, David Price
BOS – Mike Cameron, Bill Hall, Darnell McDonald
CIN – Brandon Phillips
COL – Dexter Fowler, Eric Young Jr.
KC – Jarrod Dyson (? slotted as rookie CF)
DET – Austin Jackson
MIN – Delmon Young, Denard Span, Orlando Hudson
CWS – Juan Pierre, Edwin Jackson (although born in Germany)
NYY – Curtis Granderson, CC Sabathia, Marcus Thames

So based on the above, I wouldn’t say dramatically less than the rest of MLB. We fall under the “none” category, tho. Only three other teams share that distinction.

by Matt Bug on Nov 17, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Um, Jon Jay.

Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork

by TBender on Nov 17, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

is he even part black?

I’d guess no, but I could be wrong

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

um, no

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Nov 17, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

50 players by my count

So not even enough for each team to have two

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Nov 17, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, that is kind of shocking.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 17, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

you forgot Chris Nelson on Colorado

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 18, 2010 1:07 AM EST up reply actions  

In recent years

we had Preston Wilson, Joe Thurston, and probably one or two others that slip my mind at the moment.

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Nov 22, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

A list came up in another topic a few days ago.

Specifically, I think it was Evilfrog saying that he hoped they traded for, I think it was one of the Uptons, so all the “TLR doesn’t like blacks” talk would stop.

Under Tony, the Cards have had the following African Americans on their roster:
Willie McGee
Ron Gant
Brian Jordan
Kerry Robinson
Ray King
Luther Hackman
Tony Womack
Delino DeShields
Randy Winn
Roye Clayton

There are more, I’d just have to go dig them up. I really don’t think it’s a race thing.

by dronemc on Nov 17, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

RIP Brian Barton & Ray Lankford

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 17, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

it was McCutchen

Barton and Rico Washington in 07 was the last time the Cardinals had two African Americans on the Major League roster at the same time I believe.

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Nov 17, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

he was one of my favorite players from that time period

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Me too.

He was a really good player who seemed to have a great personality as well.

Definitely a plus dFAWARP.

He hit it good. He hit it good.

by Jack618 on Nov 17, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

he could hit the ball a mile every once in a while also

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Eric Davis, as well.

And I didn’t forget Sanders. I was at Busch II when he hit a slam off Peavy as we kicked SDP’s butts in the playoffs.

by Matt Bug on Nov 17, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Gant

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I was at Wrigley

for a home run he hit out of the park in center that still hasn’t landed… I miss that guy hanging around the team.

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Nov 17, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Sanders that is.

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Nov 17, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Or, you know, a certain hall of fame short stop.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 17, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Him too.

He hit it good. He hit it good.

by Jack618 on Nov 17, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

i loved Reggie

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 17, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I believe you mean

He who gave us the gift of Pujols.

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Nov 17, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Hard Hittin' Mark Whitten!

Maybe not TLR though he did have 4 HRs in one game for the Cards, I believe it was against the Reds.

1.14.10, the day I went green.

by njnick on Nov 17, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

What do STL's demographics have to do. . .

with a theory that TLR is a racist?

Considering that TLR is from Tampa originally, lives in San Francisco, and is of Hispanic descent in a town that is pretty far down the list of Hispanic communities?

Also, failing to acquire either Upton is eveidence of TLR being racist?

I’m sorry, but neither of those things make any sense.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Nov 17, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

There is no "theory"

I don’t have “theories” (conspiracy or otherwise). I leave that to scientists. You’re taking my post and running in some odd directions with it. Especially with your Upton = TLR racist line.

I mentioned the demographics because STL has a large African-American demographic. If an African-American player is a good fit, talent-wise, cost-wise, personality-wise, etc. for STL, it would make sense for us to pursue them. Not only for the team itself, but it would be good marketing and a bit of a lift for the STL African-American community. They’d have some representation on their home team.

by Matt Bug on Nov 17, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Everyone forgets about me...

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 17, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Who's this guy?

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 17, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

um

darius rucker had a shaved head

Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter

by prophetjohn on Nov 17, 2010 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

its the creepy goatee...

My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Nov 17, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Is that Hootie?

Thought he was busy with a country album…

Amaury Cazana for RF in 2011 - the legend will never die!

by avs18fan on Nov 17, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha.

Darius Rucker. Good call, avs. Never noticed the similarity.

by Matt Bug on Nov 17, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

In a freakish coincidence,

just as i was scrolling through this part of the discussion, I realized “Let Her Cry” was playing on the office Muzak system.

Stupid offseason.

by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Nov 17, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it's because he goes by Randy.

If he’d just go by his given name, Dwight, no one woud forget that he’s black.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 17, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh yeah him...

…he’s the guy who punched the ball over the fence in that one game. With his glove, not bat.

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by redbirdnation8206 on Nov 17, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

for real...

the one guy on our roster and it took like ten people to realize this

also mark whitten

how bout more australian players!

by guillermozeliak on Nov 17, 2010 10:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Sigh. Didn't this conversation exist recently?

Randy Winn…
Joe Thurston…

Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork

by TBender on Nov 17, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Jon Jay

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 17, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

He's Comanche or something.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 17, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

That's Lohse.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 17, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

he is a chief though

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

he's cuban i thought

Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter

by prophetjohn on Nov 17, 2010 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

preston wilson haz a sad.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Nov 17, 2010 4:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Justin Upton will probably be really good

although he seems to be off to a relative slow start like Colby

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

if anything, Tony hates white people

after all, we comprise the greatest percentage of the fan base and therefore are more concerned—in the aggregate—with the success of the Cardinals… and he seems to be intent on constantly fucking us over in that regard.

by mattyp on Nov 17, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I wonder which one of them

Is competent at heating their porridge?

by mojowo11 on Nov 17, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions   3 recs

when did stavinoha play for for the reds?

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Nov 17, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 17, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

My motto!

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 17, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Pretty maids all in a row.

what should’ve been the Cardinals 27,28 and 29 roster spots (pre-September).

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 17, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh...

…stepping away…

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by redbirdnation8206 on Nov 17, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

meh

dd thinks kmac can be an effective starter, which makes him a mult-million dollar commodity. if he was in westies’ place, he’d be worth 8 mill or so. 8 mill we could have used for uggs. it’s not (just) klohse. not starting kmac is a budget buster too

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Nov 17, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Top of the morning, Monk. Big jazz festival coming soon to Bangkok if you're in the neighborhood.

Think you’re spot on about Kouzmanoff. Dear lord a block of wood is preferable to Pedro Feliz and Miles. . . .

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Nov 17, 2010 8:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I really don't see Tyler Greene as having any trade value what so ever

I’m not sure that the Cardinals could have pulled off a comparable package,

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Nov 17, 2010 12:55 PM EST reply actions  

Tyler Greene

I know it wont happen but nothing would make me happier than to have Greene start 140+ games at second next year. Yeah, he might not have the greatest avg put I think his power will be plus plus for a second basemen. Yet, I know I am stuck watching Skip butcher the position and bat his .275 while slugging .340.

1.14.10, the day I went green.

by njnick on Nov 17, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm just not sold on T Greene yet

he’s shown some flashes of being able to be a serviceable player in the majors… but i still need to see more. I would like him to get more opportunities this year.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 17, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

seems like he's been around for a long time already

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah he keeps popping in and out...

just to say “hey”

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 17, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

One more option left too

so Tyler can still ride the shuttle this season if he is on the bench too much for Tony.

by ubeddie on Nov 17, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Tyler Greene is "Replacement Player"

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 17, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Disagree about Replacement Player

He’s shown flashes but still has not been given enough of a shot. I would love for him to get 125-150 straight at bats and see what we have. Though I know that is a long shot.

1.14.10, the day I went green.

by njnick on Nov 17, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Is career WAR is 0.0

I know I know. SSS (Small Sample Size), and it seems like he’s been around the big club longer than the past two seasons!

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 17, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

It may seem like that, but your perception doesn't change reality.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 17, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

TG has turned out as I expected.

Good glove and less than attractive bat. If our plan was to use him as a trade chip, he’s aged past peak value. Had we traded him a couple years ago, I could see him being a starter on a less-competitive team a la Jack Wilson. But not on a contender.

by Matt Bug on Nov 17, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Lets give him a chance before we bury him.

That’s all I am asking – just a chance. Having a player hit 16-20 HRs from 2nd base would be a step in the right direction for the Cards. I am tired of the slap hitting MI that we always seem to employ. Granted most teams have slappy middle infielders but there are always a few “boppers”. We never seem to get an outlier from the Ryans and Schumakers.

1.14.10, the day I went green.

by njnick on Nov 17, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

There is little in Greene's

portfolio of stats that indicate that he is a good bet to hit 16-20 HR in the major leagues.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Nov 17, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Not a great bet but the power is there

2008 16 HRs in 127 games 536 PA between AA and AAA
2009 17 HRs in 89 games and 490 PA at AAA and majors (2 HRs in 108 PA in the majors)
2010 11 Hrs in 490 PA between AAA and the big show

And he was hurt in 2010. Look it might not be probable but there is a chance and I for one would like to find out.

1.14.10, the day I went green.

by njnick on Nov 17, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

"slappy MI" works for other teams.

Just not TLR teams. I don’t know of any other manager in the bigs as adverse to slap-hitters as Tony. I would wager that if Mo ever put someone like… say… Juan Pierre in a STL uni, Tony would go ballistic.

by Matt Bug on Nov 17, 2010 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

...seriously?

Skip Schumaker
Brendan Ryan
Jon Jay
Randy Winn
Molina’s basically a slap hitter

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 17, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah. Pretty much.

Skip’s an anointed TLR fave, so he’s exempt. Boog’s been on Tony’s poo-poo list. Jay, Winn and Molina are not MIs, but if you’re debating them as slap hitters: Jay is not a slap hitter, and they think his power will develop. Winn was just an insurance pick-up and I don’t see him coming back. And Tony’s gone on record as saying that he pretty much doesn’t care too much about Yadi’s offense because he is such a “weapon” on defense. And I tend to agree with him on Yadi – the statement being a hyperbole, of course.

by Matt Bug on Nov 17, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

...you used Juan Pierre as an example, then chastise me for having Jay and Winn on there?

We’ve had basically nothing but slap hitting MIs since Tony took over

David Eckstein?
Tony Womack?
Fernando Vina?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 17, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Not just since TLR...

Prior to that it was Red, Javier, Sizemore, Herr, Oquendo, Alicea…

Slapping hitting MIs have pretty much been the team’s legacy…

Hornsby might be the exception.

Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork

by TBender on Nov 17, 2010 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Slap hitting MIs are baseball's legacy

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 18, 2010 1:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Ah, go easy.

I didn’t “chastise” you. We’re just Cardinals fans having a discussion. I didn’t intend my response to be confrontational. Sorry, if it came off that way.

Pierre was an extreme example and said mostly in jest. Eckstein, Womack and Vina could all be described as “scrappy” and Tony does love those players.

You are absolutely right. We have had our share of low-power MIs. But given his druthers, don’t you agree Tony would like someone with “pop” at one of those positions? I think Tony values power a lot more than other managers (e.g., Scioscia, Maddon, Gardenhire). Would you agree?

by Matt Bug on Nov 17, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

He seemed to have a problem with Colbys power

It’s like he wants out of certain players but not others. I think his autobiogrophy will be a good read. I would love to be inside that head sometimes.

Always late to the party

by Skips OCD on Nov 17, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

he doesn't have a problem with Colby's power

he has a problem with Colby make out on pitches over the outside of the plate because he tries to pull it for homeruns instead of taking it up the middle or to left field.

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Nov 17, 2010 7:54 PM EST up reply actions  

and he loved Ankiel and Lil Dunc . .go figure his apetites

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Nov 17, 2010 8:53 PM EST up reply actions  

When I think of Tony's A's teams.....

“Small-ball” isn’t exactly the first word that leaps to mind.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 17, 2010 9:36 PM EST up reply actions  

...

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 17, 2010 9:40 PM EST up reply actions  

No no, I didn't take it as confrontational.

My impression of Tony’s teams have been

Have one or two superstar hitters
Have good defense up the middle
Surround with average talent

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 17, 2010 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

And I don't dislike Greene.

But realistically, I don’t think he’ll get a shot at starting in STL. Maybe somewhere else.

by Matt Bug on Nov 17, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Is Ryan's bat attractive?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 17, 2010 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

in bed

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 17, 2010 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Some People Don;t know When to Give Up....

…and some that’s all they do…
;=8)

My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Nov 17, 2010 1:17 PM EST reply actions  

Oh, Mr. Haynesworth

Big tree fall hard…

VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009

by redbirdnation8206 on Nov 17, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm sure they'll bench McNabb for that.

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Nov 17, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Earning his salary.

I like the OL stands for awhile, looking for something to do.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 17, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

and he found something to do

he blocked 99 there to keep him off of Vick right before the pass got off.

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Nov 17, 2010 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Uhhh... Are you gonna get up?

No? Okay then… moving on.

VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009

by redbirdnation8206 on Nov 17, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

It would appear...

that Michael Vick put the fear of dog in him.

"When I gave up a grand slam to Pete LaCock," Bob Gibson said later, "I knew it was time to quit."

by The Classical on Nov 17, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

fail

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Nov 17, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

wat

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm gonna disagree with scoot and Chitown

and say I admire the effort and bravado.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 17, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

the phrase just doesn't make sense though

I’m sure a lot of people would like to put the fear of dog into Michael Vick though, without a doubt

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Tis not a phrase, but a turn of thee phrase.

Whilst spinning.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 17, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

boog would be good at it then

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

you missed my joke

it exists in his user name, combined with my post

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Nov 17, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Ooh, well done

I did totally miss it. Dang!

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 17, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

R U saying Hainsworth is...dogging it??

;=8)

My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Nov 17, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

What would you have him to do?

Get back up to get pushed back down? The smart move is stay back down

by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 17, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

How's the used medical equipment business?

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 17, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

100 million bucks buys a lot of used medical stuff...

:=8/

My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Nov 17, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

can I click this at work?

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 17, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes.

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 17, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

FUCK YOU BOTH.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 17, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I request a ban for this gentleman for incendiary language

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 17, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I request that your face gets banned.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 17, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

and shouting

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

shut up and go pay your traffic ticket

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Nov 17, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

ahahah

asshole

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Nov 17, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Heh

I knew this would be funny no matter which direction you took it… kudos.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 17, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

It could of been gross

Pregnant woman + Sex + Ultrasound = I will let you work out the details

by FlimtotheFlam on Nov 17, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, I figured you wouldn't link anything that wasn't work-safe

So I figured it had to be some sort of misdirection.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 17, 2010 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

If he would have fought to get back up

that OL wouldn’t have been free to block the Redskin that was (harmlessly, probably) rushing Vick.

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by Alxfritz on Nov 17, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

so Pujols' contract talks start up in December

hope they get it over with relatively fast

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 1:36 PM EST reply actions  

i almost feel sorry for kyle lohse the human

the deal has been god awful, as gets brought up, and now is being cast as the reason the cardinals couldn’t keep ryan ludwick/take on dan uggla’s salary. kyle lohse has sucked, but the injury bug has hit him hard. he was never injured in his career until 2009, and he has never really recovered from it. just an unfortunate situation for him.

note: i’m not advocating the deal. it’s still one of the worst deals in franchise history. 12 million next year?! good god!

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 17, 2010 1:47 PM EST reply actions  

Injury bug

This is why 4 years for a pitcher is generally a bad idea and 4 years and $42MM for a pitcher is an even worse one.

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by bgh on Nov 17, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

remember when he was signed because his injury history was clean

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Nov 17, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

+1. As if all pitchers aren't one pitch away from the DL.

I remember when Carmona and Webb had their great seasons, some baseball fans would say, “Yeah, and those guys will never be injured because they’re sinkerball pitchers.” We see how that idea played out.

by Matt Bug on Nov 17, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

that's why i decided to just assume he'll dominate in 2011

or i’ll lose my mind
and, there’s plenty of room for him to bounce back – he ended on a very high note
so, i’m going to root for lohse to be awesome bad deal or not

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by d-dee on Nov 17, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

he ended on a high note?

(i’m not being contrary, i just don’t remember that)

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by prophetjohn on Nov 17, 2010 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

he took carp's glove for his last start and actually had a very decent outing

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by d-dee on Nov 17, 2010 8:27 PM EST up reply actions  

hmm

if lohse coud be westbrook next year, we could be in a lot worse situations

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by prophetjohn on Nov 17, 2010 8:34 PM EST up reply actions  

i feel sorry for VEB commentors

being that next year, kyle f. lohse will make more than all of us combined

by YesWeOquendo on Nov 17, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

you don't feel sorry,

 or you’re making 12 mil next year?

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by RiverRat on Nov 17, 2010 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Is it legal?

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by RiverRat on Nov 17, 2010 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Do you get paid if you're on the DL?

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by akaitori on Nov 17, 2010 8:55 PM EST up reply actions  

He was overpaid, injuries or not

He was paid like a 2.7 WAR pitcher when he’d only been better than that twice and close to it one additional time.

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by redbirdnation8206 on Nov 17, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

how does 2.7 WAR translate to $10.25MM?

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by prophetjohn on Nov 17, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions  

so, about his career average?

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by prophetjohn on Nov 17, 2010 8:01 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, but it was still a bad contract

When you factor in aging, limited upside, injury risk, etc. He should have gotten no more than 3/24.

by vivaelpujols on Nov 17, 2010 8:03 PM EST up reply actions  

probably

but it’s not like it’s an albatross the day of the signing. he got slightly overpaid. the only reason why it’s the worst contract on the team and one of the worst contracts in the history of the team is because we’re fortunate enough to not have our own david wells or barry zito or ryan howard or etc.

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by prophetjohn on Nov 17, 2010 8:07 PM EST up reply actions  

here's a fun hypothetical question

it’s 2015. how much does it cost to keep pujols, holliday, wainwright, rasmus, and molina on the roster?

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 17, 2010 1:58 PM EST reply actions  

well, I'm guessin only Holliday and probably Pujols would be left at that time

using up a third to a half of the payroll

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

2011 ages:

Holliday: 31
Pujols: 31
Wainwright: 29
Rasmus: 24
Molina: 28

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by bgh on Nov 17, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

rasmus is easily the best player in 2015

in fact, rasmus might be one of the most valuable players in baseball going forward.

by stlcardinalsfang on Nov 17, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

might

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

huge might

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by flipthebird15 on Nov 17, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

in bed

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Yadi will be an old ass 32 year old.

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by Alxfritz on Nov 17, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

eek, those knees

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

this is not fun

this significantly lowers VEB’s FAWARP.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Nov 17, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Who cares.

Everyone get into your electric hover space ships and lets have a picnic on pluto!

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by Alxfritz on Nov 17, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

About this much:

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by redbirdnation8206 on Nov 17, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

my guess

pujols: $25MM
wainwright: $20MM
holliday: $17MM
rasmus: $15MM
molina: $12MM

$89MM

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by prophetjohn on Nov 17, 2010 7:57 PM EST up reply actions  

How do we stay in the 100MM range?

20 league minimum guys?

Always late to the party

by Skips OCD on Nov 17, 2010 8:01 PM EST up reply actions  

we don't

and we probably don’t retain all of rasmus, wainwright and molina at those prices

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by prophetjohn on Nov 17, 2010 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

do T-Greene and Broderick really fetch Uggla?

Others have given their answer on the Greene side, and I don’t see Broderick as having any trade appeal at all, to anyone, anywhere. Don’t let the AFL fool you.

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by StanTheManFan on Nov 17, 2010 2:12 PM EST reply actions  

plus anderson does

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Nov 17, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

"You're No Omar Infante..."

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:=8O

by The MooCow on Nov 17, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Keep That Up....

…and I won;t share my bacon-flavored lollipops…

http://www.baconfreak.com/maple-bacon-lollipops.html

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by The MooCow on Nov 17, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed. A fluke season, even if it is just a fluke, is

one more fluke season than Tyler Greene has ever had.

by mattyp on Nov 17, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Is it really all that fluky?

Or is Infante just in the peak of his career? He has had solid, steadily increasing production in his age 26-28 seasons.

That’s not to say he’s an All-Star or anything, but I would bet he would be a handy player to have around for the next 2-3 years, one of those guys who would be an able 450+AB utilityman on a good team, or a solid starter on a bad team.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Nov 17, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure.

but Infante has been around forever. Career average in his case may be less predictive (at least for next season and maybe the next) than the lst 2-3 years, where his BABIP was 327, then 339, then 2010’s 355.

I never said he was a centerpiece that you build a team around, and I certainly wouldn’t trade Dan Uggla for him and a lottery ticket left-handed reliever, and I wouldn’t want to sign him long-term. . . but, in a vaccuum, I’d rather have him at 2B than Skip Shumacker, for instance. He’s likely to be a useful player, starter even, at a non-power position (nothing more) for the next year or two.

And he’s the kind of guy that generally gets over-rewarded for his usefulness with a too rich, multi-year contract.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Nov 18, 2010 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

And it wasn't that fluky because it wasn't that good

A BABIP inflated .340 wOBA is not the stuff that legends are made of.

by vivaelpujols on Nov 17, 2010 6:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I was surprised Gardenhire beat out Washington in the AL

Also surprised Cox didn’t do better than fourth, just on sentimentality.

by BTown Birds fan on Nov 17, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Darn.

Was hoping Cox would win. Glad to see Gardy finally win AL MOY, tho. He’s deserved it for quite a while. This year was no different after losing Nathan then Morneau to injury.

by Matt Bug on Nov 17, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

has david freese ever played 2b?

and could he barring another re-shattering of the ankles?

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by d-dee on Nov 17, 2010 2:36 PM EST reply actions  

can kouz play second then?

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by d-dee on Nov 17, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

then get Kouz and Freese and Skip to play 2B and 3B two at a time

profit

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Nov 17, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

someone in the hot stove mentioned that

the Sawx are floating Scutaro for a bullpen arm. I’d definitely be interested in that. Last year he had his lowest walk rate in a long time. If that regresses more towards his career line, we’d have a 2b with passable defense, double digit homeruns and maybe like a .330 wOBA.

by mattyp on Nov 17, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Scutaro for Boggs?

Daddy like

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by Skips OCD on Nov 17, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

scutaro is basically the same offensive player as 2009 skip schumaker

and has below average def at short.
and he is due 6m next year.
No thanks.

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1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
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by albrtfn on Nov 17, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

6M? That's why they are trying to trade him.

I was thinking like 1-1.5MM. That would be reasonable.

Always late to the party

by Skips OCD on Nov 17, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Bill James predicts them nearly identically for next season

yes, scutaro would be an improvement at 2b, but from the recent strauss/mo interview, I would bet that if the cards traded for scutaro, they would put him at short.
That would improve our offense, but scutaro is not a plus defender at SS. He had negative UZR and UZR/150. and made less OOZ/total plays than boog did.

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1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
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by albrtfn on Nov 17, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

The nice thing about Scutaro...

is that he could replace Ryan or Skip, whoever sucks the most. And since one will likely be awful, he represents something like a 2 win improvement for $5 million. Seems like a good deal…

Screw you, you freakin stats nerd

by guayzimi on Nov 17, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

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by FreeRedbird on Nov 17, 2010 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

You're presuming Tony won't find some bizarre lineup configuration

and somehow end up starting Ryan, Skip, Scutaro, Miles and Stav all in the same game.

by dronemc on Nov 17, 2010 7:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Simple:

Ryan SS
Scutaro 3B
Skip 2B
Miles 1B
Stav RF
(first game of a doubleheader)

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by Skips OCD on Nov 17, 2010 7:59 PM EST up reply actions  

everybody made less OOZ plays than boog did, though.

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by SleepyCA on Nov 17, 2010 10:46 PM EST up reply actions  

fewer

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Nov 17, 2010 10:46 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

boog is amazing

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

which is reason that boog should keep his job regardless

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1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
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by albrtfn on Nov 17, 2010 11:12 PM EST up reply actions  

yes!

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Nov 18, 2010 1:42 AM EST up reply actions  

That was meeeeee!

:=8D

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by The MooCow on Nov 17, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

typo.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Nov 17, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

a RH bat who put up a .319 wOBA in fenway

with minus defense?

meh

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by prophetjohn on Nov 17, 2010 10:31 PM EST up reply actions  

i mean

he’s an okay choice, but i wouldn’t give up much for him

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by prophetjohn on Nov 17, 2010 10:31 PM EST up reply actions  

could be the platoon of meh.

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by RiverRat on Nov 17, 2010 10:32 PM EST up reply actions  

burnsauce.gif

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 17, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

By the way, not an image fail

I was too lazy to find the actual gif.

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by mysterui on Nov 17, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

dead.horse

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by Alxfritz on Nov 17, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I wasn't replying*. . .

I was stating an inherent truth of the universe.

  • A lie

A rec for you, sir.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Nov 17, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

WHERE'S MY PARADE?!?!?

Musial gets Presidential Medal of Freedom

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by Alxfritz on Nov 17, 2010 3:14 PM EST reply actions  

Why don't I?

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 17, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Awesome.

Congrats to Stan on a well deserved honor.

He hit it good. He hit it good.

by Jack618 on Nov 17, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Congratulations to Stan!

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 17, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

whaaaaaat!!!! AWESOME!

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by d-dee on Nov 17, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Best news I've heard in about three weeks,

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by StanTheManFan on Nov 17, 2010 8:14 PM EST up reply actions  

But on a more optimistic note (from same story)

“One competing exec predicts Pujols will stay in St. Louis for $25 million a year for six or seven years.”

by BTown Birds fan on Nov 17, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

seems possible

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm thinking it will be more like 28m per

maybe 5 or 6

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

That's what I think (hope) we end up at

say $27.5/yr for 5 or 6 years with an option or two, maybe similar to Waino’s option that just triggered (top 5 MVP finish in 2015 or 2016?)

by ArkansasTravs on Nov 17, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

That's quite doable

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by redbirdnation8206 on Nov 17, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm sort of glad to hear that's his starting point...

I predict 8/200 with some bells and whistles to push him past Howard’s AAV

Screw you, you freakin stats nerd

by guayzimi on Nov 17, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

i don't know about the money

but i wouldn’t be surprised if he gets 10 years
and he lowers the dollars to get the years

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by d-dee on Nov 17, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Is it legal to make him part owner or something?

Like 10 years as player, then a 10 year vested interest in team… Or something crazy like that. Mo def needs to tap into his creative side when constructing this deal. Think it would be in the best interest of both sides, really. I don’t think Albert really cares for the biz/negotiating side of the game. He just want to play and be treated fairly, mang.

by Matt Bug on Nov 17, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Unfortunatly not legal.

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by Alxfritz on Nov 17, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

What if the ownership declares bankruptcy, and the Mang gets the team as

compensation, ala Mario Lemieux?

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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 17, 2010 10:05 PM EST up reply actions  

And I want a solid gold toilet, but it's just not in the cards now is it Albert.

OK, so if that’s a starting point, maybe we’ll be able to get him for something not too insane.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 17, 2010 6:09 PM EST up reply actions  

i just don't get the talks of albert wanting $30M a year

i could see $20-25M, but 30? albert wouldn’t tax STL that much would he?

by zoomzoomj88 on Nov 17, 2010 6:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Tax St. Louis that much?

I don’t even understand what this means. He is entering free agency, at the peak of his earning potential. If we want the best player in baseball, we will have to pay to keep him.

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by bgh on Nov 17, 2010 6:49 PM EST up reply actions  

They're going to have to tax the city to afford him.

As a St. Louis resident, I’m game. The city is already charging me for recycling bins that don’t exist. At least Albert is real.

by spants on Nov 17, 2010 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Heh

I’d pay that tax too.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 17, 2010 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

count me in too

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Nov 17, 2010 8:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

I don’t even live in Mo. anymore, but I’d pay the tax just to keep him in St. Louis.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 17, 2010 10:07 PM EST up reply actions  

i just want the pujols won't resign talk to stop

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by d-dee on Nov 17, 2010 10:18 PM EST up reply actions  

the assclown who wrote that has no clue what he's talking about

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 17, 2010 7:39 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

is arod really signed through age 42?

and he gets 15 million for reaching 700hrs and 15million for 800? (I’m just guessing based on the article)

anyone knowi if dewitt’s a billionaire less the assets of the cardinals?

by guillermozeliak on Nov 17, 2010 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

yes, yes, yes, and i don't know, Wiki doesn't say much about DeWitt

i think it’s awesome his company own’s a bunch of Arby’s. that is just dead solid perfect

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 18, 2010 1:36 AM EST up reply actions  

open up DeWaffle Fries!

Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)

by mattyfrommo on Nov 18, 2010 8:05 AM EST up reply actions  

kouz kouz is good

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Nov 17, 2010 3:20 PM EST reply actions  

if somehow we sign him I'm definitely calling him that

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

....

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 17, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Psh, overrated!

Orzo and risotto are just as good but for some reason I don’t see anybody clamoring for them around here.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 17, 2010 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I make risotto at least once a week....

a giant PITA, but oh so worth it.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 17, 2010 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

There's a theory

that the point of risotto was to have a dish that required constant stirring. Thus, whatever old lady in the family who was living in the house at the time could be occupied by being asked to stir the risotto to keep her out of everyone’s hair.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 17, 2010 6:17 PM EST up reply actions  

It wouldn't surprise me.....

I want to know what the restaurants secret is…..Order a dish with risotto and I have it 20 minutes later……how do they hold it without it getting all effed up.

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Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 17, 2010 6:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Pressure cookers? No clue.

One of the yummiest risotto dishes I ever had was the truffle risotto at Almonds in Clayton. I don’t know if that restaurant is even around anymore. I think it had saffron in it too. Oh man.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 17, 2010 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

My staple is a mushroom risotto and a thick ribeye.....

mushrooms, shallots garlic, and either white wine/chicken stock, or red wine and beef stock depending on my mood. Nothing fancy, but good.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 17, 2010 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Sounds delicious

Shallots are one of the most underrated vegetables. They’re like the Zimmerman of food.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 17, 2010 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I think I'm gonna cook some

40 clove chicken with risotto for dinner tonight ….. I don’t have anything else to do.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 17, 2010 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

asiago goes very well with a seafood risotto mmmm

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Nov 17, 2010 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Almonds is/was my favorite restuarant in STL

Owners were as nice as could be too. They’re still there.
Wow, you just made me miss St. Louis.

"He ran hard, but he didn't run fast. He runs like he's mad at the ground." - opposing broadcaster describing Yadi's speed.

by TNTinCO on Nov 17, 2010 6:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Heh

I also had a little attachment to the restaurant, since the head chef (at some point, I think he is no longer there) was a former patient of my mom’s. She’s a pediatrician, which is why he’s a former patient. The couple times we went he came out and said hi to us.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 17, 2010 8:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Upton, you say??

I’ll give them one of their own autographed baseballs as a return to play for the Cards. That’s like a hundred dollars, man.

by vexedtechie on Nov 17, 2010 3:53 PM EST reply actions  

He took second.....

to this guy, who put out a press release.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 17, 2010 10:37 PM EST up reply actions  

cool

vex…do you have your logo?

by guillermozeliak on Nov 17, 2010 10:47 PM EST up reply actions  

are you thinking

of asking vexed to shoppe himself?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 17, 2010 10:49 PM EST up reply actions  

has no one mentioned this?

Just announced that Stan has been awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom!

While Spinning.

How much were yours? 34 dollars. You know you got a pay raise... right?

by streamman on Nov 17, 2010 4:04 PM EST reply actions  

here

PD article

While Spinning.

How much were yours? 34 dollars. You know you got a pay raise... right?

by streamman on Nov 17, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

up

here

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Nov 17, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

It's been mentioned above.

But that’s all good, it can be mentioned again.

Once again… CONGRATULATIONS MR. MUSIAL

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 17, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

OT: I love the fact

that the Wrigley sign apparently has a problem with the Purple Drank

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Nov 17, 2010 4:25 PM EST reply actions  

houndstooth?

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I was wondering that too.

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Nov 17, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

...

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 17, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Rickets has a high mortgage...

gotta pay the bills. Sorry I just find it hilarious that Cub fans everywhere see this as an affront to all higher powers accepted by people across the globe.

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Nov 17, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

AHAHAHA.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 17, 2010 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

but wow, that is ten kinds of horrible.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 17, 2010 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

its for the Northwestern/Illinois Football game this weekend

the purple that is

houndstooth? maybe its a bar for english lit profs

by vances law on Nov 17, 2010 7:33 PM EST up reply actions  

if it's in Wrigleyville, it's probably not very good

although the Gingerman is alright, just north of the Metro on Clark

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Old news, but Beckham's probably still on the block...

http://tinyurl.com/22kpxpj

It would be a long shot. If we could swing a decent trade (i.e., not Rasmus or Miller), he’d be a good fit for us.

by Matt Bug on Nov 17, 2010 4:44 PM EST reply actions  

I like the kid but

where do you play him? do you send Boog to the ChiSox? I’m of the opinion that they should not have moved Beckham off 3rd. He should be playing his original position (SS) or 3rd base. I don’t know what defensive numbers show, but the kid was learning a new position for the 2nd time in 2 years.

by sdrone on Nov 17, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Beckham

Man his 2009 rookie season looks was really impressive. Everyone including myself was assuming he was going to build on it and become one of the premier young players in baseball. I am not sure what his problem was last year (maybe sdrone nailed it) but I wonder if he is a bounce back candidate. If so, the Sox would be crazy to trade him.

1.14.10, the day I went green.

by njnick on Nov 17, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I would imagine slot him in at 2nd.

And if Freese goes down again, he could slide over to 3rd. That’s part of the attraction. The other part of the attraction is that he’s young, cost-controlled, and as njnick mentions below is a top prospect coming off a disappointing season. This could be a good buy low opp. Not sure I’d move Boog for him tho. Would need to be on the inside with all the necessary info to make that evaluation.

In light of the Uggla miss, Beckham would be a good pick-up.

by Matt Bug on Nov 17, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

he would never shave his head for the team.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 17, 2010 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

well he's right out then.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 17, 2010 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

check out his google images

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 17, 2010 6:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I would be ok with a boog/beckham trade

because then I get to see boog play in person, 4 blocks from my apt, and I get to enjoy beckham’s offense on the cards. WIN WIN

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Nov 17, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

old news

yeah, I guess that’s what the cool kids are doing these days (and I thought we were stupid about partying in the 90s)

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

thats crazy..just now hearing about this

makes me feel old when you dont hear about college trends

also wouldnt your eye just bust up in flames! it burns just when people do the lemon drops routine

i remember reading an article about skittling for highschool parties….now thats retarded

by guillermozeliak on Nov 17, 2010 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow

I thought injecting and enemas were bad!

Always late to the party

by Skips OCD on Nov 17, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

We have Lady Gaga too

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 17, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

pop tards

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, and. . .

get off AlxFrtz’s lawn while you’re at it.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Nov 17, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

mine too

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

millennials.

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

OOOOOHHHHHHH

SNAP

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 17, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

dayum

buuuuuurnnnn

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

how do you think his dad feels?

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 17, 2010 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I think that's what I'm blaming it on, too.

That and the fact these “adults” were raised on nothing but Lunchables and anti-smoking campaigns.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 17, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

And Pokemon

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 17, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I WAS RAISED ON CARL BUDDIG ROAST BEEF AND A CLOUD OF MARLBORO SMOKE!

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 17, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

corned beef hash from aldi and picking up my dad’s empty beer cans

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Ahhh ALDIs

what memories

Always late to the party

by Skips OCD on Nov 17, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

my mother used to work at the AMP or something like that

then Aldi’s replaced that store

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

A&P

Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork

by TBender on Nov 17, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

that's it

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Rolla still has an Aldi's

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 17, 2010 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

there are several in Chicago

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Aldi is huge. . .

German outfit; also own’s Trader Joe’s.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Nov 17, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

yep

although, I think that company bought out Aldi, they used to be run by someone else

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Krogers?

Always late to the party

by Skips OCD on Nov 17, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I could go for a purple Big K soda right now.

Or some beer brand beer.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 17, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Remember the "Always Save" brand?

Yellow with a black stripe? They made beer

Always late to the party

by Skips OCD on Nov 17, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Above or below

the quality of Dirt Cheap Beer?

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Nov 17, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm going to assume below

I wasn’t old enough to drink it.

Always late to the party

by Skips OCD on Nov 17, 2010 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Dirt Cheap is some pretty rough stuff...

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Nov 17, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Always Save

Growing up I thought their Corn Chips were awesome. Way better than Frito’s.

I was reading about how countless species are being pushed toward extinction by man's destruction of forests. Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - Calvin, Scientific Progress Goes "Boink", Watterson

by Solanus on Nov 17, 2010 9:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I bought a Kirkland's 12-pack of beer one time

Terrible

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 17, 2010 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I remember Pevely Diary products and

SealTest at Bettendorf. I also remember when Schnucks bought out Bettendorf in 1970. I assume Schnucks are still in St. Louis, and Kroger is gone?

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 17, 2010 10:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, Kroger and A&P left years ago.

It’s pretty much Schnucks, Dierburg’s, and Shop n Save with Aldi’s, Trader Joe’s, Whole Foods, and Straub’s at the margins.

Too stupid and sissy-like to say that you want out.
You make the eyes of a million girls and think you'll make them shout.

by The Continental on Nov 17, 2010 10:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Aldi and Trader Joe's

couldn’t be regarded more differently here in Chicago

by mikey_mac on Nov 17, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

That's the idea.

Targeted shopping.

Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork

by TBender on Nov 17, 2010 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

but they are both bargain food stores

trader joe’s is the cheap alternative to whole foods, and aldi is the cheap alternative to jewel, dominicks, etc

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

yes, that means Aldi's has really won the branding game

white people do all sort of backflips for Trader Joe’s, but wouldn’t touch Aldi’s with your reusable grocery bag.
in a related note, i live right next to an Aldi’s, and have never been inside.

by mikey_mac on Nov 17, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

My wife buys stuff from Aldi's from time to time

Their non-perishable selection is as good as most grocery stores.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 17, 2010 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

the Creme Soda is to die for!

Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)

by mattyfrommo on Nov 17, 2010 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Hows the ginger ale?

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 17, 2010 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

is that Aldi's brand of beer?

I don’t like gingers, even in sodie pop form.

Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)

by mattyfrommo on Nov 17, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

My goals in life:

1. Make Ginger Ale popular
2. Free Tibet (eat it, Gere!)
3. Own gold plated rocket car

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 17, 2010 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

actually, I like the Ginger Ale

Pujols Tier:
Cream Soda
Grape Soda

Rasmus Tier:
Black Cherry
Ginger Ale

Miles Tier:
Root Beer
Cola

*havent been in Aldi"s in years, do they even still make soda?

Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)

by mattyfrommo on Nov 17, 2010 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

how dare you insult root beer in that manner

shakes fist

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

oh wait, I think you are saying that aldi's root beer sucks

not root beer in general. whoops!

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

my next project is homemade rootbeer.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 17, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

that would be awesome

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I concur with your fist shaking.

BEST ROOT BEER EVER.

Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork

by TBender on Nov 17, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

If you ever see it....

try a Henry Weinhart’s. They use their old prohibition recipe.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 17, 2010 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Weinhard's

Great beer in the 70’s-80’s, when they put the number of their barrels on their label.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 17, 2010 10:31 PM EST up reply actions  

it's still good....

the dark is good.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 17, 2010 10:32 PM EST up reply actions  

FITZ FITZ FITZ FITZ FITZ

any Fitz soda > any other soda

Fire John Mozeliak

by purple_haze on Nov 17, 2010 10:38 PM EST up reply actions  

yesssss

there was a guy on my dorm floor last year that was from st. louis.
Every time that he would go home for the weekend, he would bring back cases of fitz and sell them on the floor. We converted about 30 guys in Chicago to Fitz’s

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Nov 17, 2010 11:15 PM EST up reply actions  

see heres the thing about Fitz Cream Soda

its reall the best soda in and of itself (Jones is close too) but when you actually go to Fitz on Delmar and drink it from a frosted mug straight from the tap, its like a fluffy dream in liquid form.

Fire John Mozeliak

by purple_haze on Nov 17, 2010 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

dude, not cool

I have to settle for Goose Island sodas here which are actually not bad, but not the same as a cold frosty Fitz’s

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Nov 17, 2010 11:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Amen, Amen, Amen

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 18, 2010 8:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes.

Used to work at Fitz’s. The tap cream soda tastes so much better than the bottled stuff.

It’s also really good as a float with dark chocolate ice cream.

by spants on Nov 18, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Fitz's is awesome.

This is truth.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 18, 2010 7:52 AM EST up reply actions  

We had kegs of Fitz's

for root beer floats at our wedding reception this past summer.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 18, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Where's my jetpack?

I was told I’d be getting a jetpack!

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 17, 2010 10:30 PM EST up reply actions  

They have good charcoal

(Or, at least, the company that makes their charcoal is a really, really nice place.)

/shamlessplug
/hiHRdept

Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork

by TBender on Nov 17, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Aldi kicks ass

Deutsche Kueche days are awesome
around Christmas I buy a shitton of German sweets and i’m happy till spring
nomnomnomnomnoooooom

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Nov 17, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

aldi's is good for everything but perishables

I don’t touch their meat, milk, etc although I’m sure most of it is fine

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I remeber back in the day,

when my grandpa would send me off to the corner store to get his carton of Camel straights, and no one blinked an eye.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 17, 2010 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

The 20s were a helluva decade...

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Nov 17, 2010 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

the 20's? hell that was the late 70's early 80's

especially in small towns, they don’t give a crap

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 17, 2010 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

indeed

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 17, 2010 8:19 PM EST up reply actions  

i used to walk to the store down the street all the time

and buy stuff for mom or dad & they never, ever blinked or questioned me. hell i could have bought a gun if i wanted to.

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 18, 2010 1:27 AM EST up reply actions  

5 years old, carrying back a 12 pack of Lucky Lager

and a carton of Camels….ah the good ole days.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 18, 2010 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

they were also marketed to on unprecedented levels

and they’ve had a lot more technology to make them lazier

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

this

“reality”

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I am of the opinion that reality tv is far less stupid and

mind corrupting then cable news. I mean, its sad that we’ve come to the state as a country that if everyone watched Jersey Shore instead of what they usually watch, we’d actually be better off. But here we are…

by mattyp on Nov 17, 2010 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

cable news is the worst

so irresponsible

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

That is sad but true

Really the only thing I watch is House and Weeds. Of course sports too.

Always late to the party

by Skips OCD on Nov 17, 2010 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

besides baseball and handegg

I watch Dexter, Eastbound and Down, Mad Men, True Blood, Chuck, and southpark. other than that I watch mr. show and tim and eric over and over

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

DEXTERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 17, 2010 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I've heard people complaining about this season

but I think it’s been phenomenal. That’s it’s even remotely as good as last season is remarkable. Generally speaking, every episode has been better than the one before it, which must be insanely difficult and is a real testament to the brilliance of the writers. It’s building up towards an awesome crescendo, can’t wait to see what it is.

by mattyp on Nov 17, 2010 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

WHAT THE FUCK IS PETER WELLER GOING TO DO

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 17, 2010 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

this

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 7:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't like having them kill off Rita, but they've handled the plot device pretty well

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 7:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I just realized that I need a new sci fi show to watch

I miss Battlestar Galactica

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Farscape & Firelfy

The Evil Twin (Rejuvenile) was a big Battlestar fan; I didn’t give it a fair shake.

I was reading about how countless species are being pushed toward extinction by man's destruction of forests. Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - Calvin, Scientific Progress Goes "Boink", Watterson

by Solanus on Nov 17, 2010 9:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Stargate Universe

is exceptional, in my opinion.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 17, 2010 10:33 PM EST up reply actions  

huh, never heard of that one

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 10:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, it helps to have watched Stargate SG-1 (10 seasons) and

Stargate Atlantis (5 seasons), even though both shows are a little conventional. SG-U just has a different, more grown-up feel to it, so much so that me and the missus sometimes preview it before we let our 14 and 10 year olds watch it.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 17, 2010 11:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I liked Stargate Atlantis' set

i hope they didn’t take it down, because when i am a billionaire, i will make it my front foyer

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 17, 2010 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Heh. Welcome to the Pegasus Galaxy!

There are beers in the fridge. The big screen is downstairs in the emergency command center. Watch out for the security system when you go outside, it’s millions of years old and a little twitchy.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 18, 2010 8:02 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think I'd use an actual stargate for the entrance

but one of those oriental style round entrances would be badass. the style is rather art deco meets space. so hopefully the rest of the house could transition from that. because everyone needs to unify their traditional dining room with their underground bunker.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 18, 2010 8:33 AM EST up reply actions  

It is kind of art deco, isn't it

It has lots of potential, anyway.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 18, 2010 9:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Is it really?

I haven’t watched any of it yet, and I kind of lost track of Atlantis after the fourth season. But maybe I’ll give Universe a chance at some point.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 18, 2010 7:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, my generation did acid instead

… otherwise that’s pretty much the 60s

ceterum censeo, delendo est Joe Strauss

by alberich on Nov 17, 2010 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Saw a bumper sticker the other day that said

“If you can remember the 60s then you probably aren’t old enough to have actually been there.”

I think that’s probably true.

by WizardofOz1982 on Nov 18, 2010 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

in which case your version of the 60s probably sucks

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Nov 19, 2010 1:18 AM EST up reply actions  

The article says it originated in Britain

First they give us taxation without representation, then they give us the Spice Girls, and now this.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 17, 2010 6:20 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Concise history.

Nice.

Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork

by TBender on Nov 17, 2010 7:06 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not our fault

Kids need a way to piss people off. The problem is that nothing pisses people off anymore.

by vivaelpujols on Nov 17, 2010 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you got the order wrong...

we do eyeball shots, so we can’t see what we write, or what we’re wearing, thus we dress like dickbags. Then crumudgeons who have never drank a beverage made from a codeine/vodka/sprite mix or poured liquor in their eyes call us “assbutts” so we act rude in public.

Although, being rude in public, dumb apparel and our spelling deficiency, might also be the result of damaging our brain chemistry with “purple drank”,“jenkem”, or huffing whatever aerosol available.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 17, 2010 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I tell you what will get you fucked up

5 parts Kettle One, 1 part soda water, 1/2 part olive juice. Neat preferably, with an ice cube if the vodka isn’t chilled. Three rocks glasses of that, nightly.

Wear a suit and read a book.

LIKE A FUCKING GENTLEMAN.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 17, 2010 9:12 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

do you pour it in your eye, or your ear?

no way any sane person puts that in their mouth.

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Nov 17, 2010 11:58 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Ahh, but the URL doesn't tell you if it's dangerous!

How could you possibly know putting 80+ proof alcohol directly on your eyeball is bad for you without a USA Today story?

by BTown Birds fan on Nov 17, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

well, it's not that bad

they used to drop acid into their eyeballs in the 60s

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

thereby producing the music of Jimi Hendrix

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

and that went swimmingly

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Nov 17, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

but it was amazing, up until it stopped swimming

wake me up when lady gaga wears cheap sunglasses.

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Nov 17, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions  

oh yeah!

[bass line]

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 18, 2010 12:05 AM EST up reply actions  

BUM BUM BUM BUM BUM BUM BUM BUMMMMM

BUM BUM BUM BUM BUM

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 18, 2010 8:03 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

"they" used to do it in the mid nineties too.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 17, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

i have done this

it stings like hell because they flavor the acid with mint.

Fire John Mozeliak

by purple_haze on Nov 17, 2010 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

40 man news, via Brian Walton

#stlcards add five to 40-man roster: Eduardo Sanchez, Adam Reifer, David Kopp, Pete Kozma and Adron Chambers. #hpgf

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 17, 2010 5:25 PM EST reply actions  

Sanchez and Reifer!

but Kozma? really?

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't understand Kozma on the 40-man either.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Nov 17, 2010 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

why in the hell has Kozma been added to the 40?

no way he’s ready for the majors at any point next season

Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)

by mattyfrommo on Nov 17, 2010 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

AMAURY MARTI CAZANA

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 17, 2010 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't like him on the roster, that's an understatement

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

some team might pick him up in the Rule 5 draft

and then trade him to the Marlins for Hanley Ramirez. Can’t have that.

by DanUpBaby on Nov 17, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

so are you saying that we might trade Kozma for Hanley?

I won’t believe it until I see the title to the fanpost.

Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)

by mattyfrommo on Nov 17, 2010 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

who had to go?

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Nov 17, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Randy Winn, Jeff Suppan, Dennys Reyes, Jason LaRue

amongst others.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 17, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Aaron Miles...not under contract.

Just wanted to point that out.

Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork

by TBender on Nov 17, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

yet.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 17, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

That's not the brightest decision

I’d rather drop DJ Tools(why is this guy still on 40-man roster?), leave Kozma unprotected, and add Tony Cruz, Tommy Pham, Brandon Dickson on 40-man roster. Then we’d have 39 players on 40-man roster; still one empty spot for our own rule 5 draft pick.

Cardinals fan from Korea

by FreeRedbird on Nov 17, 2010 9:24 PM EST up reply actions  

are any of those guys rule V eligible?

Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter

by prophetjohn on Nov 17, 2010 9:25 PM EST up reply actions  

yes

notable unprotected prospects: Tony Cruz, Tommy Pham, Brandon Dickson, Brian Broderick, Tyler Henley, Ramon Delgado, Blake King

Francisco Samuel is still on 40-man roster too; at this point I don’t think he is more likely to be selected in the Rule V draft than King or Delgado.

Cardinals fan from Korea

by FreeRedbird on Nov 17, 2010 9:29 PM EST up reply actions  

well since you put it that way

I’d still rather Cazana get a 40 spot than Kozma.

Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)

by mattyfrommo on Nov 17, 2010 5:33 PM EST reply actions  

effin reply fail

Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)

by mattyfrommo on Nov 17, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

even if Porcello was still out there?

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 17, 2010 6:27 PM EST up reply actions  

So...

Tony “dont call me Arnoldi” Cruz was left exposed.

huh.

You fit into me
like a hook into an eye

a fish hook
an open eye

by Red Blazer on Nov 17, 2010 7:33 PM EST up reply actions  

haha, I really like Cody Ross now.

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/fish_bytes/2010/11/loria-no-car-for-cody.html

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 17, 2010 7:01 PM EST reply actions  

That's awesome

and I’m sure Loria didn’t say “and playing for us”

Always late to the party

by Skips OCD on Nov 17, 2010 7:04 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, if he did, everyone would have boo'd him

Just fucking give him the car- you screwed up, admit it. Earn some respect.

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Nov 18, 2010 12:10 AM EST up reply actions  

that's like the value of Dan Uggla!

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 18, 2010 12:17 AM EST up reply actions  

How do I best go about explaining to my friend

that there are very few-to-no options that could upgrade our middle infield for $5mil?
I’ve already covered how Renteria barely out-OBP’d Skip and Uribe underperformed Skip last year. I’ve yet to mention that Tejada hasn’t been competent to play SS in 5 years. I’m sure he understands we couldn’t afford Uggla, and I will shoot him down should he suggest getting the Marlins to take on his salary if we give them Miller (never!).
I’ve mentioned to him how Brendan’s ++ glove makes up for his — bat, while Skip’s neutral bat does not make up for his — glove, so Brendan is the more valuable of the two, and haven’t heard back from him on this point yet, but I know he’s not fond of defensive metrics so he’ll probably contest this point too. Ugh. I wish I was better at this.

Kyle Lohse has a No-Trade Clause.

by BVHeck on Nov 17, 2010 7:14 PM EST reply actions  

heh

i’m trying to bring him around, not condescend to him. Right now i’m more or less making sure that i’m doinitrite.

Kyle Lohse has a No-Trade Clause.

by BVHeck on Nov 17, 2010 7:31 PM EST up reply actions  

hand him an 8x10 glossy photo of steve phillips

and explain to him, that steve phillips would approve of trading miller/boog/skip for uggla/renteria/uribe

if he continues to emulate steve phillips, find new friends

by YesWeOquendo on Nov 17, 2010 7:22 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

that's a no

but perhaps if i succeed, my method could be used in other circumstances

Kyle Lohse has a No-Trade Clause.

by BVHeck on Nov 17, 2010 7:40 PM EST up reply actions  

just show him the Brendan Ryan defensive highlight reel

and if he still doesn’t agree, you can give him a noogie

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 7:32 PM EST up reply actions  

if solving disputes with noogies is wrong,

i don’t want to be right

Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter

by prophetjohn on Nov 17, 2010 7:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't understand the limited focus on OBP...

You know how bad Ryan was last year? In over two hundred fewer PAs, EDGAR RENTERIA was 30% MORE valuable at SS by fWAR. (Skip was negative fWAR so Edgar was much, much better than him)

And why care if Juan Uribe “underperformed” Skip by OBP? Juan Uribe is a good defensive SS and tallied 3.2 fWAR last year (light years ahead of Boog, much less Skippy). His BABIP was a Boog-like .256 too. Skip will never sniff 3.2 fWAR in a season and I seriously doubt Ryan will ever reach that either.

Basically, if you’re friend is suggesting that Uribe would be an upgrade on our MIF, he’s right.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 17, 2010 9:56 PM EST up reply actions  

i;m not convinced of that

he’s a fat guy playing SS who’s been a league average hitter one time in the last five years and that was heavily aided by a BABIP .045 points above his career average

Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter

by prophetjohn on Nov 17, 2010 9:59 PM EST up reply actions  

fun with selective end points!

Let’s say Skip and Uribe are projected to have the same wOBA next year. And even this will depend on Skip having a BABIP 40 points higher than Uribe (which I don’t think is sustainable). Uribe has far more power and Skip will likely have a a higher average.

The difference is that Uribe is a great defensive 2b and a good SS. Skip sucks at 2B and can’t play SS.

If you’re not convinced that Uribe is very likely to be a big upgrade on Skip, you’re not looking at the numbers.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 17, 2010 11:17 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Uribe!

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 11:47 PM EST up reply actions  

winner winner

turkey dinner

http://www.stoneworldbistro.com/TurkeyDinner/default.asp

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 7:33 PM EST reply actions  

if you're in California

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 7:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I feel like getting yelled at...

How bout some form of Rasmus and Miller for Drew and Upton?

Zona kicks in some cash considering our players are cheaper.

You fit into me
like a hook into an eye

a fish hook
an open eye

by Red Blazer on Nov 17, 2010 7:34 PM EST reply actions  

I mean, that's not an easy decision there, really

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 7:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

I don’t like it but I don’t hate it…

although zona wants mlb ready so maybe we send em cox as a ptnl or something w boog and others.

You fit into me
like a hook into an eye

a fish hook
an open eye

by Red Blazer on Nov 17, 2010 7:37 PM EST up reply actions  

hell no

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 7:37 PM EST up reply actions  

well

okay.

You fit into me
like a hook into an eye

a fish hook
an open eye

by Red Blazer on Nov 17, 2010 7:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Drew's gotta play second base

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 7:38 PM EST up reply actions  

?

ok.

You fit into me
like a hook into an eye

a fish hook
an open eye

by Red Blazer on Nov 17, 2010 7:40 PM EST up reply actions  

PREFERABLY

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 7:40 PM EST up reply actions  

wouldn't work anyways

Towers wants someone to overpay not give equal value.

not nearly as bad as a pd poster stating he had a source that we were trading Carp for Weeks.

You fit into me
like a hook into an eye

a fish hook
an open eye

by Red Blazer on Nov 17, 2010 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

we do need a second baseman

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 7:42 PM EST up reply actions  

true...

I wouldn’t complain.

You fit into me
like a hook into an eye

a fish hook
an open eye

by Red Blazer on Nov 17, 2010 7:42 PM EST up reply actions  

guess the easy answer is...

it really is just Drew for Miller and Zona would want more than that besides why would we trade Miller? He is gonna be money right..

 just shut up blazer…

You fit into me
like a hook into an eye

a fish hook
an open eye

by Red Blazer on Nov 17, 2010 7:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I predict that we will desperately need Miller

his attitude is hardcore. reminds me of Bradford. age doesn’t matter — they know their stuff and they’re going to step up.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 17, 2010 9:49 PM EST up reply actions  

well, we'll definitely need miller.

Whether or not he “steps up” is a different story.

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Nov 18, 2010 1:09 AM EST up reply actions  

why, did you hear something different from QC?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 18, 2010 1:10 AM EST up reply actions  

from who?

All I know is, he’s a pitching prospect, and they make you cry.

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Nov 18, 2010 1:45 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

okay, i'm pretty sure i know the answer to this

but someone confirm to me that the cardinals did not trade colby for uggla

the pic in this post along with this are making me worried

Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter

by prophetjohn on Nov 17, 2010 7:35 PM EST reply actions  

Ugla went to Hotlanta

i think that was in response to marlins asking for Rasmus

You fit into me
like a hook into an eye

a fish hook
an open eye

by Red Blazer on Nov 17, 2010 7:36 PM EST up reply actions  

i knew he went to atlanta

but all i had was my phone and i got that tweet and thought atlanta flipped him to us for colby

then i get home and see dan uggla at the top of VEB

Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter

by prophetjohn on Nov 17, 2010 7:37 PM EST up reply actions  

heh

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 7:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork

by TBender on Nov 17, 2010 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Go fuck yourself Jon Heyman

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/jon_heyman/11/17/winter.meetings/index.html

ZERO quotes from DeWitt, Pujols, or anyone. No fucking evidence at all, yet his claim is in the fucking title! This is pure shit journalism, as bad as Strauss – Jon Heyman is the epitome of everything that’s wrong with America. I would suggest that a judge could reasonably allow for justifiable homicide in this case.

by vivaelpujols on Nov 17, 2010 7:42 PM EST reply actions  

also funny

that if pujols signs for 6/150, it’s a coup for dewitt. apparently the GM wouldn’t really be a part of it

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by prophetjohn on Nov 17, 2010 7:47 PM EST up reply actions  

The man we all know as "John Mozielak" is really a bodysuit...

…worn by TLR or Bill DeWitt, depending on who we’re angry with at the time.

They lent the Mo suit to Mark Shapiro once last season, but they’re hesitant to do that again. He didn’t get it cleaned, and there was some sort of man stew on there when it was returned.

by dronemc on Nov 17, 2010 8:04 PM EST up reply actions  

there's a reason mark derosa wasn't invited to the next party

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Nov 18, 2010 1:18 AM EST up reply actions  

play fallout: new vegas

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by prophetjohn on Nov 17, 2010 8:08 PM EST up reply actions  

explain to YesWeOquendo why he should game on a PC

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by prophetjohn on Nov 17, 2010 8:14 PM EST up reply actions  

this is fact

and part of the reason i haven’t picked up new vegas yet. but you bet your ass when i do, it won’t be a copy for PS3 that i pick up. i learned my lesson with fallout 3

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by prophetjohn on Nov 17, 2010 8:35 PM EST up reply actions  

so I should get fallout vegas, them?

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 17, 2010 8:41 PM EST up reply actions  

if you have a PC that can run it, yes

apparently it’s terribly glitchy on both consoles, though

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by prophetjohn on Nov 17, 2010 8:43 PM EST up reply actions  

...

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 17, 2010 8:54 PM EST up reply actions  

damn you

damn you and your fast expensive computer
damn youuu

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Nov 17, 2010 8:58 PM EST up reply actions  

heh heh heh

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 17, 2010 9:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Also, I built it for less than a grand.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 17, 2010 9:07 PM EST up reply actions  

no, really, go to hell!

and then tell me about where you got the components for so cheap

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Nov 17, 2010 9:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Newegg?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 17, 2010 9:10 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, come on

i built mine (3.2Ghz quad core phenom ii, 4GB DDR3) for $550

it;ll be pushing a grand total, though, when i get 4 more GB of RAM, another TB HDD and a good GPU

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by prophetjohn on Nov 17, 2010 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Tiger direct

and looking at the invoice it was less than $700 for everything.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 17, 2010 9:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, disposable income...

One day…

One day.

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 17, 2010 9:22 PM EST up reply actions  

here here

about once a month I make a new wish list on newegg. I can’t wait for the day when I have ~$700 to drop on a new machine

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Nov 17, 2010 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

i made a rule, around 1998:

I’ll upgrade my computer when I can double the performance for $300.

This has served me well.

Spend the money on women and decent liquor. When you are 35, you won’t regret having not bought that new video card.

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Nov 18, 2010 1:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I didn't say I upgrade every month

just that I fantasize about it about once every month (in bed).

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Nov 18, 2010 1:32 AM EST up reply actions  

the time you spend fantasizing about computers

can be better spent.

;)

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Nov 18, 2010 1:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Thinking about Star Wars?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 18, 2010 1:34 AM EST up reply actions  

only if you actually build your own light saber

if you can’t do that, then you’ll be useless against the dark side, and might as well just spend your time breeding in the hopes that one of your children might have mutant ninja choriforms.

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Nov 18, 2010 1:47 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

you are correct

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Nov 18, 2010 1:34 AM EST up reply actions  

actually, that's a bad analogy

time is much more valuable than money. That’s why they pay suckers for their time.

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Nov 18, 2010 1:34 AM EST up reply actions  

GPU?

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by prophetjohn on Nov 17, 2010 9:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I ended up getting

this.
$60 after rebate.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 17, 2010 9:16 PM EST up reply actions  

i would say you should get new vegas

all i’ve heard is that the game (glitches notwithstanding) is as good as fallout 3

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by prophetjohn on Nov 17, 2010 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

start mine

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Nov 17, 2010 8:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Call a friend. Do something with friend.

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 17, 2010 9:11 PM EST up reply actions  

do friends' homework

profit.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 17, 2010 9:50 PM EST up reply actions  

call a hooker

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Nov 17, 2010 9:50 PM EST up reply actions  

we may have to explain the concept

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 17, 2010 9:50 PM EST up reply actions  

call gdm, he knows best

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Nov 17, 2010 9:51 PM EST up reply actions  

no i don't

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 18, 2010 1:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Come hang out with me, broski

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 17, 2010 9:51 PM EST up reply actions  

get less lame friends

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by prophetjohn on Nov 17, 2010 9:51 PM EST up reply actions  

oooh there's an idea.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 17, 2010 9:51 PM EST up reply actions  

so you and prophetjohn won't be friends then

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Nov 17, 2010 9:54 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm not sure who you're insulting here

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by prophetjohn on Nov 17, 2010 9:56 PM EST up reply actions  

heh

doesn’t matter, i’m the lamest person on VEB regardless

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Nov 17, 2010 10:15 PM EST up reply actions  

have a smoke, relax.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 17, 2010 9:58 PM EST up reply actions  

dude, he's like 14

that might be illegal for you to suggest

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by prophetjohn on Nov 17, 2010 10:00 PM EST up reply actions  

hell, they were

teaching him how to build a bong last week.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 17, 2010 10:05 PM EST up reply actions  

for shame, VEB!

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by prophetjohn on Nov 17, 2010 10:07 PM EST up reply actions  

...shame?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 17, 2010 10:14 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, i had to google to find the right word

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by prophetjohn on Nov 17, 2010 10:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I was making fun of him for liking Bob Marley...

I was no part of encouraging the manufacture or paraphernalia…

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Nov 17, 2010 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

well it's now night time, so you know what to do

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 18, 2010 1:29 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

#$%#@!@#$%^

Link

ORLANDO, Fla. — Little opposition has emerged to Major League Baseball expanding its playoffs for 2012 as the sport’s top officials discussed the concept during two days of meetings.
While commissioner Bud Selig has yet to formally propose adding two more wild-card teams, he said during the World Series that he has given the plan serious consideration.
General managers and owners were waiting to hear whether Selig would directly address them on the matter Thursday, when three days of meetings conclude.
“I don’t see any minuses,” Florida Marlins owner Jeffrey Loria said.

Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork

by TBender on Nov 17, 2010 8:08 PM EST reply actions  

Because any minuses will be assumed by MLB...

Just like the Expos after he killed them.

Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork

by TBender on Nov 17, 2010 8:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Jeff Loria's line of thinking:

Longer playoff period = more money generated for teams involved

more money generated for teams involved = more money for me due to revenue sharing

Therefore, “I don’t see any minuses”

Amaury Cazana for RF in 2011 - the legend will never die!

by avs18fan on Nov 17, 2010 8:42 PM EST up reply actions  

i hate that motherfucker, i hate all of good ole bud's friends

those bastards are killing baseball

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 18, 2010 1:30 AM EST up reply actions  

i don't get the outrage over this

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by prophetjohn on Nov 17, 2010 8:14 PM EST up reply actions  

so, last season would have been less exciting

had the cardinals been the second wild card?

the only issue i see with it is logistical. if the number of teams isn’t a power of 2, then someone is gonna be sitting on their asses while other teams are playing

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by prophetjohn on Nov 17, 2010 8:24 PM EST up reply actions  

three-way-games!

team A plays team B while team C umpires!

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Nov 17, 2010 8:43 PM EST up reply actions  

twmgfs

not sure how I feel about that

Screw you, you freakin stats nerd

by guayzimi on Nov 17, 2010 10:13 PM EST up reply actions  

If there's one thing we need more of...

it’s baseball playoffs… The problem with the ratings is that there just aren’t enough games… we need these things stretching into at least the middle of November… I really want to go back to league champions and a 9 game series… At least then we can finish the playoffs before blizzard conditions set in.

"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Nov 17, 2010 8:49 PM EST up reply actions  

the 4 and 5 seed

play 1 game playoff. That’s what I’d like to see.

Or an awesome best of 3 with day 1 being a doubleheader.

These scenarios would increase the advantage of the 1 seed as the 4/5 seeds would be weakening their rotation for the division series.

This won’t happen, but I think it’d be awesome if it did.

by infallibleopiniongenerator on Nov 17, 2010 9:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Not "outrage," but

I do think it’s a bad idea, for both players and (purist) fans. Reduces the chances that the best, rather than luckiest, teams will meet, by adding one that is clearly not the best. It also extends the season even deeper into a time of year not suited to baseball.

StanTheManFan
Contributes any way he can.
He's normally a nuclear physicist
Except when writing for this list.

by StanTheManFan on Nov 17, 2010 10:30 PM EST up reply actions  

154 games schedule!

or doubleheaders!

Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)

by mattyfrommo on Nov 18, 2010 8:19 AM EST up reply actions  

'bout to ride the tsunami

wish me luck. i’ll report back with nuggets

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by prophetjohn on Nov 17, 2010 8:53 PM EST reply actions  

It was awful

I hadn’t read a full chat in a fortnight, but was bored today. Holy shit, do his “questioners” just not pay attention? Everything is redundant!

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 17, 2010 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

i’m taking a break

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by prophetjohn on Nov 17, 2010 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

more likely

he just answers the questions that have been already answered elsewhere.

Tough to lose that way. Worst case, you blame it on someone else.

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Nov 18, 2010 1:35 AM EST up reply actions  

so, assuming he's privvy

and there’s anything to ascertain from it, it looks like uribe is the cardinals’ plan A for the MIF

meh

also, it’d be cool if this didn’t become a big discussion of joe strauss

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by prophetjohn on Nov 17, 2010 9:35 PM EST up reply actions  

my god, i need to get off the internet and study

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by prophetjohn on Nov 17, 2010 10:12 PM EST reply actions  

studying is overrated

what’s it this time? biology?

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Nov 17, 2010 10:17 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

i have an exam tomorrow

and i’m borderline A/B in the class. need to do well on this exam and the final if i want to get an A in the class

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by prophetjohn on Nov 17, 2010 10:26 PM EST up reply actions  

just wing it

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Nov 17, 2010 10:40 PM EST up reply actions  

not the kind of thing that can be wung

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by prophetjohn on Nov 17, 2010 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

in bed?

biology? in bed?

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Nov 17, 2010 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

do you think there will be a robosuit baseball league in the future?

http://laughingsquid.com/raytheon-xos-2-exoskeleton-a-wearable-robotics-suit/

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 10:18 PM EST up reply actions  

i sure hope so

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by prophetjohn on Nov 17, 2010 10:26 PM EST up reply actions  

i just got home did the Cardinals do anything today ? anything? who's on third?

"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"

Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."

by riftraftredbird on Nov 17, 2010 10:45 PM EST reply actions  

Stan got the medal

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 17, 2010 10:47 PM EST up reply actions  

of freedom?

"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"

Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."

by riftraftredbird on Nov 17, 2010 10:47 PM EST up reply actions  

that thingy yeah

do we sit, now?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 17, 2010 10:48 PM EST up reply actions  

yes you may be seated sir

"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"

Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."

by riftraftredbird on Nov 17, 2010 10:49 PM EST up reply actions  

i average 8.5086 comments on viva el birdos a day

not sure if that’s good or bad. what’s league average? should i consider home blog factors?

by YesWeOquendo on Nov 17, 2010 11:00 PM EST reply actions  

yeah, it's better if you find a way to automate

for instance, a perl script to post “in bed” to every 7th post is a great advantage.

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Nov 18, 2010 1:37 AM EST up reply actions  

7th post is about a terminal illness

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 18, 2010 1:44 AM EST up reply actions  

most of those end up

in bed.

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Nov 18, 2010 1:56 AM EST up reply actions  

i guess we all end up in bed eventually, eh?

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twatter

by prophetjohn on Nov 18, 2010 1:57 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

depends on the quality of our VEB posts

I hope to live forever. Unlikely, though.

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Nov 18, 2010 1:58 AM EST up reply actions  

if only

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 18, 2010 2:14 AM EST up reply actions  

that's deep

rec

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 18, 2010 8:34 AM EST up reply actions  

One would hope.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 18, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

this is math.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 17, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

it's an empty 69.3094

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 17, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions  

high CACIP

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 17, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

is a green a HR therefore doesn't count as a CIP?

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Nov 17, 2010 11:26 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

but really, you guys do know how to read the twitter, right?

I always figure you’re all joking. I really don’t have a twitter account.

I just feel I must pass on my secrets, just in case.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 17, 2010 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

no.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 17, 2010 11:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I really did mention this before.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 17, 2010 11:41 PM EST up reply actions  

ya ...your using google news feed or something, right?

I haven’t played with it.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 17, 2010 11:47 PM EST up reply actions  

no, it's much simpler than that

pick a journo’s twitter — someone who’s savvy. i’ll demonstrate.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 17, 2010 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

@jopo

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 17, 2010 11:54 PM EST up reply actions  

darn, he doesn't work

alright, i’ll let you into the inner sanctum. or the almost inner sanctum.

check out dgoold. behold his front page for a moment.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 17, 2010 11:56 PM EST up reply actions  

ok

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 17, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions  

now look at the right-hand sidebar.

look again.
click on the Cardinals subset.

look again. your twitter is now diamonds.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 18, 2010 12:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't see a cardinals subset.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 18, 2010 12:04 AM EST up reply actions  

thus proving that I do not have a twitter account.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 18, 2010 12:06 AM EST up reply actions  

I logged out, and see it.

I still think it’s just easier to have an account and never tweet to follow stuff.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 18, 2010 12:07 AM EST up reply actions  

ok

I check two pages and get everything. the only time I open more than two tabs is during the playoffs, because they bring in more media.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 18, 2010 12:09 AM EST up reply actions  

why spend even more of my time organizing and making up lists?

the beauty of it is I’m not tempted to subscribe to any of the other hundreds of twitters out there.

not to mention, I don’t know if you guys notice, but those lists only have original tweets. there are no replies.

work smarter, not harder.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 18, 2010 12:58 AM EST up reply actions  

bears repeating

it also means I can read the likes of strauss without adding to his followers column

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 18, 2010 8:39 PM EST up reply actions  

alright I'm lying

it’s magic.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 18, 2010 12:17 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Stan Musial awarded presidential medal of freedom. What a great day. half a minute ago via web

someone fire up the van, pos is 4 hrs away and we’re stuck with strauss

by YesWeOquendo on Nov 17, 2010 11:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I may have to seek alternative means myself.

There is far too much @gordoszone in the SBN twit box for comfort right now.

Too stupid and sissy-like to say that you want out.
You make the eyes of a million girls and think you'll make them shout.

by The Continental on Nov 17, 2010 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

i tuned into channel five's stan feature

and this guy was talking about a dead duck falling from the sky before him
ooohkay.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 17, 2010 11:07 PM EST reply actions  

old footage! woot!

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 17, 2010 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Stan speaking!!!

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 17, 2010 11:28 PM EST up reply actions  

talks about the multiple home runs in doubleheader

paraphrasing.
“Boy I was surprised. I was lucky.”
“Albert hasn’t done that, yet.”
“Oh, he will.” Stan laughs.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 17, 2010 11:30 PM EST up reply actions  

What's a doubleheader?

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 17, 2010 11:52 PM EST up reply actions  

...in bed

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 17, 2010 11:54 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

= damned lucky

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 18, 2010 12:41 AM EST up reply actions  

i'll have to see if there's anything on the news here at 10 Probably not , its a cardinal wasteland here

"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"

Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."

by riftraftredbird on Nov 17, 2010 11:15 PM EST reply actions  

river rat

thought you might enjoy this. This is what my wife was did while I was at work yesterday.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Nov 17, 2010 11:21 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

wow what a gal ! here's dinner for the next 3 months

"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"

Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."

by riftraftredbird on Nov 17, 2010 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I love pics of dead deer with their tongues hanging out

reminds me of this

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Nov 17, 2010 11:32 PM EST up reply actions  

It's too bad that eye guard broke,

damn near perfect other than that.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 17, 2010 11:52 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

its a good one. very proud of her.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Nov 18, 2010 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

she's awesome! where did she get him at?

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 18, 2010 1:34 AM EST up reply actions  

advance

one of our neighbors cornfields. She was attempting to text me when he jogged by.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Nov 18, 2010 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Hey scoot:

I think I pulled my hammy tonight. What can I do to make sure I can play in an ultimate frisbee tournament on Saturday?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 18, 2010 12:59 AM EST reply actions  

robotic exoskeleton?

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 18, 2010 1:07 AM EST up reply actions  

rest and ice

report back on how sore it is and if you have any bruising

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Nov 18, 2010 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

when did Craig Ferguson get a Dalek

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 18, 2010 1:14 AM EST reply actions  

Pujols was in attendance at the Bulls vs Spurs basketball game in San Antonio tonight.

The announcers changed subject in the 4th quarter in a fairly close game to talk for awhile about how Pujols may be the greatest hitter in the history of baseball — and apparently one of the announcers sent someone to go buy a baseball so he could have Pujols sign it. Dude has a presence.

by JStymie on Nov 18, 2010 1:19 AM EST reply actions  

so he went from Springfield to San Antonio

this is the stuff of conspiracy theories.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 18, 2010 1:23 AM EST up reply actions  

oh, i was more in the "Albert is secretly recruiting" camp

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 18, 2010 1:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Knee-jerk reaction

After the Bill DeWitt article that went up today. Or sometime recent but I just read it today.

by JStymie on Nov 18, 2010 1:35 AM EST up reply actions  

who lives in San Antonio that might be recruitable?

crummy grammar there, but I think I made myself understood.

Blessed are they who are pleasant to blog with....

by spfldbird on Nov 18, 2010 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

when was he in springfield? last i heard he was in the DR?

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 18, 2010 1:35 AM EST up reply actions  

did tony parker really cheat on eva longoria?

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 18, 2010 1:39 AM EST reply actions  

wife of a teammate

allegedly.

she’s taller.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 18, 2010 1:43 AM EST up reply actions  

taller than Eva, I mean.

but hey, now we can consider Evan …

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 18, 2010 1:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I was talking about parker

Cheating on one of the hottest girls on the planet with your teammates wife?

by vivaelpujols on Nov 18, 2010 1:45 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah, pretty much

allegedly not the first instance

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 18, 2010 1:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I will never understand people factoring in how hot a wife is into

her being cheated on… So if she was ugly it would be understandable?
Guys who cheat usually do it to fill some gap they have in their self esteem, needing approval from women to validate their own worth, that it was with a teammates wife says two things to me 1. on some level the affair allows him to feel like a bigger stud than his teammate 2. Proximity kill, this is one of a few females who is around him with any consistency.

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 18, 2010 2:05 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

TC009 droppin' the knowledge bombs

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 18, 2010 2:07 AM EST up reply actions  

this

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Nov 18, 2010 2:08 AM EST up reply actions  

i dont think this is the case here, as a famous athlete i assume he saw something

shiny & new & he wanted it so he went for it, damn the consequences.

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 18, 2010 2:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes, it's more understandable that a man would cheat on his wife if she wasn't hot

Not saying it’s right, but it’s understandable.

Also, amazing how you were able to determine exactly why he cheated based on the simple fact that it was with his wive’s teammate. You and Joe Strauss should hang out.

by vivaelpujols on Nov 18, 2010 2:19 AM EST up reply actions  

it's not true that it's more understandable

it’s disgusting in either situation. Cheating is the manifestation of a character flaw in the cheater, not a physical flaw in the spouse.

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Nov 18, 2010 2:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, just take what I said and make it more fancy

I’m on to you

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 18, 2010 2:24 AM EST up reply actions  

What?

I’m saying a man is more likely to cheat on his wife if he can get with someone hotter than if he can’t. Do you actually disagree with that?

by vivaelpujols on Nov 18, 2010 2:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Tiger Woods provides at least example of evidence to the contrary

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 18, 2010 2:26 AM EST up reply actions  

when you get older, you'll learn looks don't matter as much as you think they do now

men & women cheat for many, many reasons. looks is generally way low on that list

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 18, 2010 2:27 AM EST up reply actions  

exactly right Bill Clinton wasn't chasing tail that was

smoking hot, he was chasing what was there

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 18, 2010 2:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Poor example

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 18, 2010 2:29 AM EST up reply actions  

why so?

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 18, 2010 2:31 AM EST up reply actions  

HAAAAAVVEEEEE You seen paula jones

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 18, 2010 2:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Still hotter than Hilldog

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 18, 2010 2:33 AM EST up reply actions  

maybe post makeover

but Clinton could have done better, trust me when I say Washington is littered with women better looking than Lewinski, and being a Dem he was a darling of the entertainment crowd, definitely better choices in that group

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 18, 2010 2:36 AM EST up reply actions  

there's no way those were the only

women he hooked up with. Tom’s right, DC is full of hot women just dying to hook up with powerful men. trust me, to this day slick willie has his choice of women.

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 18, 2010 2:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Clinton once said

The Right falls in line, the Left falls in love.

Probably the most politically astute thing I have ever heard, and it makes sense why it seems like both the current prez and Willie had a rock star type ascension

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 18, 2010 2:43 AM EST up reply actions  

i remember that quote

and you’re right, it’s true

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 18, 2010 2:45 AM EST up reply actions  

hence the proximity kill thing

I can tell you at least three cases I personally know of wifes cheating with the next door neighbor, plus several more of fitness coaches ect.

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 18, 2010 2:40 AM EST up reply actions  

he was married to hillary clinton.

Seriously, he was.

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Nov 18, 2010 2:33 AM EST up reply actions  

still is, probably.

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Nov 18, 2010 2:34 AM EST up reply actions  

they did just celebrate their 34th wedding anniversary

of course he was in Bangkok & she was not

they were married one year to the day before i was born. jerks.

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 18, 2010 2:36 AM EST up reply actions  

lol, Bill Clinton spent his anniversary in Bangkok?

That is fantastic. I’ve been ignoring politics for a while, but this is just awesome.

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Nov 18, 2010 2:57 AM EST up reply actions  

he's filming Hangover 2

and still making coin over the whole global warming thing

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 18, 2010 3:01 AM EST up reply actions  

That is fair, although Hilary is not particularly

unattractive, looks wise I can’t imagine her being called “hot” and her voice is like a cheese grater on my eardrums

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by TomCat009 on Nov 18, 2010 2:37 AM EST up reply actions  

meh

looks matter a hell of a lot more for a one night stand than they do for a long-term relationship.

i wouldn’t pay $5,000 to spend a nightr with my GF. But I’d spend close to that for a night with Eva Longoria.

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Nov 18, 2010 2:31 AM EST up reply actions  

as anyone seen a pic of this woman he cheated with?

i can’t imagine she’s better looking than Eva. if anything i think he just got bored & thought he could get away with it

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 18, 2010 2:33 AM EST up reply actions  

that is also likely

but OTOH when “replacement level” is eva, it’s tough to generalize about human nature. We don’t know if she is any good at defense, etc.

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Nov 18, 2010 2:37 AM EST up reply actions  

you're right, i'm just always surprised when someone

anyone, gets cheated on. let alone a woman 99% of the men on the plant would love to be with

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 18, 2010 2:40 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah but don't forget that after a year or

two of marriage she isn’t a sex symbol, she is the one who stunk up the bathroom.

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 18, 2010 2:44 AM EST up reply actions  

ok, that's kind of funny

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Nov 18, 2010 2:45 AM EST up reply actions  

so very true

but i have always been able to look passed that stuff, i guess i don’t understand why other people can’t

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 18, 2010 2:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I think most people look past it

but it isn’t that your wife is human after a while, it is that she isn’t new, and exciting. I personally enjoy the deeper more affectionate love I have for my wife, but I do remember how exciting the first few weeks of a new flame can be.

I think that cheating is a lot like cocaine some people try it once or twice but eventually the risk is greater than the reward and they never look back, for others the feelings it brings are more important than the devastation it brings to those around them

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 18, 2010 2:53 AM EST up reply actions  

I literally don't remember what a new flame feels like

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 18, 2010 2:54 AM EST up reply actions  

it's pretty amazing in a totally irrational way

did you ever know, though? haven’t you been with your woman since you were literally children?

Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter

by prophetjohn on Nov 18, 2010 2:55 AM EST up reply actions  

14

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 18, 2010 2:57 AM EST up reply actions  

i dunno

i never had any relationships at that age, so i can’t compare it to what it’s like at, say, age 20

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twatter

by prophetjohn on Nov 18, 2010 3:02 AM EST up reply actions  

i get wanting to relive the early days

of a relationship & i get how drug like that can be for people. but just like a drug if all you are after is the fire or spark, you’re going to get burned out sooner or later & end up dying all by yourself.

i’ll take the mundane & ordinary human over dying alone every damn time

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 18, 2010 2:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Cocaine is a helluva a drug.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 18, 2010 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

it was an NBA wife, other than the Wookie

that Odom married that is pretty attractive bunch

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 18, 2010 2:38 AM EST up reply actions  

khloe kardashian?

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Nov 18, 2010 2:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Is that it's name every time I see it

I have the urge to feed it JackLinks jerky

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by TomCat009 on Nov 18, 2010 2:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I hope your GF

doesn’t lurk VEB.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 18, 2010 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

marriage is in no way entirely about trying to find the hottest woman you can find

sure it’s awesome and intrinsic to physical attraction to search for a “hot” spouse, but there are always going to be hotter women. That doesn’t me you go sleeping around with them.
To address your question. I do disagree with you. I don’t think cheating is about finding a more attractive mate, necessarily. It’s about the cheater being irresponsible, disrespectful (to themselves, their spouse, and the one they are cheating with), and comes down to a flaw in their character—a flaw that is likely to come out regardless of attractiveness of surrounding females.

note: i tried to be as non-gender specific as I could, but sometimes it’s just easier to write male/female for sake of example

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Nov 18, 2010 2:32 AM EST up reply actions  

We're not talking about marriage

We’re talking about an affair.

I will bet you anything that a guy is more likely to cheat if the person he’s cheating with is hotter than his wife.

by vivaelpujols on Nov 18, 2010 2:33 AM EST up reply actions  

let me just find a sample set of 50 different guys

with 10 different instances of cheating for each guy so you’ll believe me…

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Nov 18, 2010 2:35 AM EST up reply actions  

i assume you will need video?

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Nov 18, 2010 2:39 AM EST up reply actions  

At the very least....

Perhaps some testimonials as well.

by vivaelpujols on Nov 18, 2010 2:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh man

Rec.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 18, 2010 8:10 AM EST up reply actions  

and we are talking about marriage, parker and longoria ARE married

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Nov 18, 2010 2:36 AM EST up reply actions  

this doesn't make any sense

and what i think you’re driving at is probably wrong

Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter

by prophetjohn on Nov 18, 2010 2:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Edify me

You are saying that attractiveness has zero effect on whether or not a man cheats?

by vivaelpujols on Nov 18, 2010 2:41 AM EST up reply actions  

he's in no way saying that and neither am i

he said you are probably wrong.

which means that there are other, more significant, reasons that men cheat

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Nov 18, 2010 2:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Of course

I never said anything to the contrary. I said:

I’m saying a man is more likely to cheat on his wife if he can get with someone hotter than if he can’t.

And you said you disagreed.

by vivaelpujols on Nov 18, 2010 2:45 AM EST up reply actions  

BUT IS THE COEFFICIENT RELEVANT

WE NEED TO DO A T-TEST GODDAMMIT

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 18, 2010 2:46 AM EST up reply actions  

my point

is that whether or not a man cheats is generally (in most cases) independent of attractiveness between the two involved parties.
It’s usually done for other reasons—psycological, control, power, emotional, etc.

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Nov 18, 2010 2:49 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree while attractiveness

plays a role, it is really more the situation than the person, the feelings of being in control of your own life are more important in that moment than any promises you have made

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 18, 2010 2:55 AM EST up reply actions  

i'm saying that a man who is going to cheat is going to cheat

a man who is unlikely to cheat is not more likely to cheat because he is in the presence of a woman deemed more physically attractive than his wife

Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter

by prophetjohn on Nov 18, 2010 2:48 AM EST up reply actions  

i'm saying what you're saying!

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Nov 18, 2010 2:50 AM EST up reply actions  

and your proposal doesn't bifurcate things a bit?

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Nov 18, 2010 2:52 AM EST up reply actions  

how's your English grade?

Merriam-Webster

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Nov 18, 2010 2:55 AM EST up reply actions  

a google search of

shakespeare hamlet bifurcate
brought this up

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Nov 18, 2010 3:04 AM EST up reply actions  

if by "a little" you mean "too"

then, no

when you’re in a committed relationship, things go beyond, “damn, girl, you fine.” if someone is going to cheat, it’s going to be because he’s looking to satisfy something he’s not getting. this may or may not be inherent to the relationship or just a problem with the individual. it’s not going to be because someone is just hotter in a strictly physical appearance sense

Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter

by prophetjohn on Nov 18, 2010 2:58 AM EST up reply actions  

45 year old guy loves his wife, has no reason to cheat

18 year old in a bikini knocks and front door offering sex. Does the 45 year old guy take it?

by vivaelpujols on Nov 18, 2010 2:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Not if he has any sense of morality

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 18, 2010 3:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Not a chance, too much to lose

when I was Cab driving I literally had to tell women to put their clothes back on, but cheating was never an option

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 18, 2010 3:01 AM EST up reply actions  

nah

Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter

by prophetjohn on Nov 18, 2010 3:03 AM EST up reply actions  

No... we've just been in real relationships

(Note: I’m making a huge assumption here. Sorry if I’m wrong)

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 18, 2010 3:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Even a "good guy" can cheat

it depends on where he is upstairs. But cheating, especially for guys is hard work and it requires a lot of steps between meet girl and sleep with girl. anywhere in the process a guy can choose to walk away, and that choice is easier or harder depending on how you view your life

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by TomCat009 on Nov 18, 2010 3:18 AM EST up reply actions  

WOW

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Nov 18, 2010 3:06 AM EST up reply actions  

who's looking for that kind of girl anyway

when you’re that for into a relationship and still happy with it, it’s gonna take something more profound than a hard on to make you want to be with someone else

Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter

by prophetjohn on Nov 18, 2010 3:06 AM EST up reply actions  

i know

but what i’m saying is that it’s going to take more than physical attraction to pull you away. you’re going to need to be satisfying something greater that you’re not getting from your partner. and if that’s the case either there’s a problem with your relationship or there’s a problem with you

Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter

by prophetjohn on Nov 18, 2010 3:12 AM EST up reply actions  

no lie I had a hippy chick in her early

thirties get completely bare in my front seat and start rubbing me, I told her I was flattered but married. It was hell of a joke considering how hard I had to work as a single man to get into situations like that

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by TomCat009 on Nov 18, 2010 3:07 AM EST up reply actions  

one day i might just tell you all

about the time i had a chance with two women at the first job i had right out of high school. it started off a lot like that

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by gdm426 on Nov 18, 2010 3:09 AM EST up reply actions  

this is true

better rule is, a woman can’t be friends with a man, unless he has a GF/wife hotter than she is. otherwise, he spends half his time thinking about her naked.

If you’ve ever been “just friends” with a girl hotter than your GF, and managed to not want more, you’re a better man than I am. I know literally zero honest people who fit this category. I know several deluded people who THINK they fit that category, and have known a large number, but they all end up “in the zone”.

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Nov 18, 2010 2:41 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

...this happens to me all the time

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 18, 2010 2:42 AM EST up reply actions  

They are distracting but I never had a problem

with urge control, I think it was always more important to me to be respected by the women around me than it ever was to be lusted after

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by TomCat009 on Nov 18, 2010 2:48 AM EST up reply actions  

i have been friends with a lot of attractive women

who of course i wanted to hook up with but never did. they of course had better taste in men so i was never an option for them. i did date this one girl who was pretty attractive but not as attractive as my friends.and during the time we were together i never once thought about my other female friends. true story

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by gdm426 on Nov 18, 2010 2:49 AM EST up reply actions  

good but you should really start viewing

women as the enemy, it really will help you do better romantically

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by TomCat009 on Nov 18, 2010 2:57 AM EST up reply actions  

what do you mean?

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by gdm426 on Nov 18, 2010 3:02 AM EST up reply actions  

It is called the war of the sexes for a reason

you need a battle plan

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by TomCat009 on Nov 18, 2010 3:03 AM EST up reply actions  

i was never much of a fighter

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by gdm426 on Nov 18, 2010 3:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Just saying that a good boy scout

is always prepared. Be a man that you can respect, and everything else falls into place. One of my favorite quotes of all time

Self-control is the chief element in self-respect and self-respect is the chief element in courage.
Thucydides

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by TomCat009 on Nov 18, 2010 3:21 AM EST up reply actions  

so now i have to join the scouts?

would they even let me in? i’m kind of old dude

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by gdm426 on Nov 18, 2010 3:29 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

as someone who's been alone for as long as he can remember

the idea of cheating is totally & completely foreign to me. i just don’t understand it at all.

but you are correct, in most cases it is mostly likely due to lack of character in the cheater than any physical or personality flaw in the cheatie

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by gdm426 on Nov 18, 2010 2:26 AM EST up reply actions  

it's always a flaw in the "cheatie"

until you have the opportunity. Then it’s like, uh, is anyone looking.

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by SleepyCA on Nov 18, 2010 2:43 AM EST up reply actions  

i totally agree with that

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by gdm426 on Nov 18, 2010 2:50 AM EST up reply actions  

No but millionaires tend to be somewhat solitary

not necessarily hermits but certainly less likely to be hanging around a lot of new people, and as for ascertaining why people cheat I have known a lot of cheaters and most who do it chronically are deeply unsatisfied people.

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by TomCat009 on Nov 18, 2010 2:28 AM EST up reply actions  

this is would care about

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by prophetjohn on Nov 18, 2010 1:56 AM EST up reply actions  

i'd be shocked if they don't fuck at some point

if I was a GOB, this is the kind of thing I’d bet with my fellow GOB’s on. I’d give it 4:1 odds- like, “if Evan never hooks up with Eva, then the cubs can win the WS NLT 2023”.

When it happens, if not already, it’ll be off the record- especially since she’s way older than him and can’t really pull it off anymore, and it would just be too weird to ever admit to, but just based on the history, plus the fact that the cubs are probably now involved-if it hasn’t happened yet, it will.

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by SleepyCA on Nov 18, 2010 2:10 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Apparently she's a giantic bitch though

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 18, 2010 1:46 AM EST up reply actions  

allegedly

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 18, 2010 1:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Someone may have already said this (but I'm not reading this whole thread)

You show me the most beautiful woman in the world….

And I’ll show you a guy who’s tired of fucking her.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Nov 18, 2010 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

or of hearing her explain what is wrong with him

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by TomCat009 on Nov 18, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

WHY WOULD I CARE

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by prophetjohn on Nov 18, 2010 1:54 AM EST up reply actions  

i don't know, i saw it on twitter all day

it just surprises me she’d get cheated on

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by gdm426 on Nov 18, 2010 2:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Cheating is indicative of douchiness of the male

It says little about the female

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by mysterui on Nov 18, 2010 2:17 AM EST up reply actions  

women really need to start having better standards & stop hooking up with dbags

they are ruining it for the rest of us

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by gdm426 on Nov 18, 2010 2:19 AM EST up reply actions  

what about when your wife cheats on you with another woman .....i'm torn

"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"

Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."

by riftraftredbird on Nov 18, 2010 2:28 AM EST up reply actions  

still sucks but at least you know the kids are yours?

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by TomCat009 on Nov 18, 2010 2:30 AM EST up reply actions  

depends on how open you want your marriage i guess

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by gdm426 on Nov 18, 2010 2:32 AM EST up reply actions  

not that open .....anyway it was along time ago and its good now but damn

"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"

Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."

by riftraftredbird on Nov 18, 2010 2:33 AM EST up reply actions  

oh i thought it was a hypothetical

dude that’s rough

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by gdm426 on Nov 18, 2010 2:35 AM EST up reply actions  

this is completely wrong.

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Nov 18, 2010 2:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed each case is individual some women get cheated on once

others hundreds of times

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by TomCat009 on Nov 18, 2010 2:34 AM EST up reply actions  

The onus of not getting cheated on falls on the female?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 18, 2010 2:39 AM EST up reply actions  

We need to run a regression on this shit

Independent variable: Probability of getting cheated on
Dependent variables: Douchiness of male, (attractiveness of girl 2 – attractiveness of girl 1)

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by mysterui on Nov 18, 2010 2:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

PCA might be a better approach though. Fire up the R!

by vivaelpujols on Nov 18, 2010 2:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I just googled this, and it's so far over my head

Do you understand this? And you’re failing Trig?!

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by mysterui on Nov 18, 2010 2:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Seriously fuck Trig

There is not a single real life application to what I’m doing right now, it is the most boring stupid shit of all time.

by vivaelpujols on Nov 18, 2010 2:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, if you want to be an engineer, I'm sure it's pretty important

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by mysterui on Nov 18, 2010 2:53 AM EST up reply actions  

but you're not learning to prove equalities

you’re learning the interchangeability of different combinations of functions

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by prophetjohn on Nov 18, 2010 3:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, you're right

Still don’t see the point of it.

by vivaelpujols on Nov 18, 2010 3:06 AM EST up reply actions  

don't get me wrong,

i hated it, too. but it’s a necessary evil if you plan to take any calculus or anything higher. and it’s not that hard. it’s just a little tedious to memorize identities

proofs in general don’t get any easier, though. they haven’t for me at least. actually trig proofs are easier than mathematical logic proofs and proof by induction and all the other proof stuff i’ve done this semester

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twatter

by prophetjohn on Nov 18, 2010 3:09 AM EST up reply actions  

you'll probably have to take at least some of some form of cal

if it’s cal for business and economics, you won’t have to know any trig, though

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twatter

by prophetjohn on Nov 18, 2010 3:13 AM EST up reply actions  

just curious

what are you interested in majoring in?

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Nov 18, 2010 3:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Dunno

I’m really into English or Psychology right now. I suppose I would be best at Stats, but that would be kind of boring and would require more math, which would cause drinking, which would make me stupider. Therefore, math makes you dumb.

by vivaelpujols on Nov 18, 2010 3:15 AM EST up reply actions  

probably should consider a major in rhetoric

or logic either
/justsayin

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Nov 18, 2010 3:17 AM EST up reply actions  

shouldn't*

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Nov 18, 2010 3:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Game Theory might interest you

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 18, 2010 3:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Have you read The Art of Strategy?

That book kinda turned me off game theory, but I do think the concepts are interesting.

by vivaelpujols on Nov 18, 2010 3:20 AM EST up reply actions  

No... I've only read a basic book called "Rock, Paper, Scissors: Game Theory in Every Day Life"

But it just gets you thinking about discrete events in your life in a different way

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by mysterui on Nov 18, 2010 3:22 AM EST up reply actions  

hex 7 is so hard

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Nov 18, 2010 3:24 AM EST up reply actions  

The one I read was probably too dense for a first foray

It’s a bit too technical.

I agree about how it changes your mindset about things, the problem is that it’s nearly impossible to actually change your decision making using game theory.

by vivaelpujols on Nov 18, 2010 3:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Browse through

http://www.mindyourdecisions.com

A lot of interesting game theory stuff on there

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by mysterui on Nov 18, 2010 3:27 AM EST up reply actions  

computer graphics uses the shit out of trig

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by prophetjohn on Nov 18, 2010 2:59 AM EST up reply actions  

partly on the female

partly on the gender. It’s really all about game theory. Average females can’t get access to the best genes if elite men don’t cheat at least some of the time- and it’s better for the elite female to have elite males cheat MOST of the time, even if that affects their relationship with the average or below-average males, since they only really need to have sex once a year or so.

A great book to read is “The Red Queen”, by Matt Ridley. Basically a compilation/summary of 20+ years of scientific studies on human sexuality, written in layman’s terms with easy-to-understand analogies and basic metaphors.

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by SleepyCA on Nov 18, 2010 2:53 AM EST up reply actions  

note- this doesn't excuse it

just explains it.

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by SleepyCA on Nov 18, 2010 2:54 AM EST up reply actions  

by this logic the most successful men would be the most rampant

but in my experience unemployed men with decent builds and a drug problem have more sex than any other group

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by TomCat009 on Nov 18, 2010 2:58 AM EST up reply actions  

goddamnit

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by prophetjohn on Nov 18, 2010 3:00 AM EST up reply actions  

actually,

things are potentially pretty okay right now. i’ll save my bitching for a later date

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by prophetjohn on Nov 18, 2010 3:00 AM EST up reply actions  

WTF am i doing wrong?

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by gdm426 on Nov 18, 2010 3:00 AM EST up reply actions  

perhaps a move out of the basement would help

"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"

Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."

by riftraftredbird on Nov 18, 2010 3:01 AM EST up reply actions  

but i'm unemployed!

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by gdm426 on Nov 18, 2010 3:03 AM EST up reply actions  

how are your Abs?

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by TomCat009 on Nov 18, 2010 3:03 AM EST up reply actions  

beer, brownies and bacon

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by prophetjohn on Nov 18, 2010 3:04 AM EST up reply actions  

getting better every day

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by gdm426 on Nov 18, 2010 3:05 AM EST up reply actions  

If you are in shape, smell nice and smile

success is right around the corner. Just remember that men are like dogs and women like cats. If you run up to a Labrador and smother it in affection you will make it’s day, try that shit with a cat and you will be lucky to see it again. If you want a cat to like you be interesting, not interested they will work their way around to you

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by TomCat009 on Nov 18, 2010 3:10 AM EST up reply actions  

so if men are dogs

and you’re a tomcat…

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Nov 18, 2010 3:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I stole it from a Tom Waits song

“Oh the night does funny things inside a man, and these old tomcat feeling I don’t understand” from one of the best songs ever written

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by TomCat009 on Nov 18, 2010 3:24 AM EST up reply actions  

keep getting in shape, smell good & be interesting

i’ve never been that interesting, so that might be my biggest problem. i’m pretty boring actually.

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by gdm426 on Nov 18, 2010 3:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Buy Tom Waits the Early Years Vol. 2

Sit on a couch with them, drink some Malbec, listen to said album, look sad and you will no longer be uninteresting you will be deep, and introverted.

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by TomCat009 on Nov 18, 2010 3:26 AM EST up reply actions  

ya i could do that now without the record

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by gdm426 on Nov 18, 2010 3:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Pick up a Milan Kundera book

or two, or read A Farewell To Arms right before they show up. They will think someone important died just from the dazed soul punched expression you are wearing

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by TomCat009 on Nov 18, 2010 3:37 AM EST up reply actions  

i can do dazed & soul punched in my sleep

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by gdm426 on Nov 18, 2010 3:41 AM EST up reply actions  

just remember it is a fine line

you walk between them feeling for you, and them feeling sorry for you.
in the first scenario you are a wounded soul in need of affection, if the second happens you can kiss your chances goodbye.

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by TomCat009 on Nov 18, 2010 3:56 AM EST up reply actions  

ya you're right, that's a fine line

i always seem to just get the sympathy & have them feel sorry for me

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by gdm426 on Nov 18, 2010 3:58 AM EST up reply actions  

My sister told me when I was about

ten that it is better a girl hates you than feels sorry for you(not in the sorry your dad died way, rather the whoa sucks to be you way) because hate can fade or be the flip side of attraction it is hard to respect someone who you feel sorry for, and in my theory women chase men they respect.

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by TomCat009 on Nov 18, 2010 4:03 AM EST up reply actions  

that makes complete sense

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by gdm426 on Nov 18, 2010 4:05 AM EST up reply actions  

this is actually true.

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Nov 19, 2010 2:09 AM EST up reply actions  

I would suggest watching a movie

maybe City of Lost Children, and cooking her dinner

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by TomCat009 on Nov 18, 2010 3:38 AM EST up reply actions  

true cats are curious and will come around if you ignore them or look away enough

"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"

Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."

by riftraftredbird on Nov 18, 2010 3:15 AM EST up reply actions  

every time i ignore this one girl she gets bored

and wants nothing to do with me. only when i show her some attention does she pay attention to me. it’s really f’ing annoying. oh & when i tell her about other women she gets jealous & really starts paying attention.

so very annoying

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by gdm426 on Nov 18, 2010 3:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Look up the lyrics to "Second Hand News"

by Fleetwood Mac the chorus pretty much says it all

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by TomCat009 on Nov 18, 2010 3:28 AM EST up reply actions  

that's kind of a dirty song

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by gdm426 on Nov 18, 2010 3:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I a bit but I always loved the line

“you know it’s true you only want me when I get over you” it is the cat thing again if you lose interest they walk all over your keyboard

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by TomCat009 on Nov 18, 2010 3:58 AM EST up reply actions  

those are the lyrics i found

i know there’s nothing to say
Someone has taken my place
When times go bad
When times go rough
Won’t you lay me down in tall grass
And let me do my stuff

I know I got nothin’ on you
I know there’s nothing to do
When times go bad
And you can’t get enough
Won’t you lay me down in the tall grass and let me do my stuff

Down down down down de do down
Down down down down de do down
Down down down down de do down
Down down de do de it do
Down down down down de do down
Down down down down de do down
Down down down down de do down
Down down

One thing I think you should know
I ain’t gonna miss you when you go
Been down so long
I’ve been tossed around enough
Oh, couldn’t you just
Let me go down and do my stuff

I know you’re hopin’ to find
Someone who’s gonna give you peace of mind
When times go bad
When times go rough
Won’t you lay me down in the tall grass and let me do my stuff

Down down down down de do down
Down down down down de do down
Down down down down de do down
Down down de do de it do
Down down down down de do down
Down down down down de do down
Down down down down de do down
Down down

Do it, do it, do it!

Down down down down de do down
Down down down down de do down
Down down down down de do down
Down down de do de it do
Down down down down de do down
Down down down down de do down
Down down down down de do down
Down down

I’m just second hand news
I’m just second hand news
Yeaaaah!
I’m just second hand news
I’m just second hand news
Yeaaaah!
I’m just second hand news
I’m just second hand news
Yeaaaah!
I’m just second hand news
I’m just second hand news
Yeaaaah

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by gdm426 on Nov 18, 2010 4:03 AM EST up reply actions  

I can't believe I wrote Second Hand News

it was Monday Morning I was thinking of
same album
Monday morning you sure look fine
Friday I got travelin on my mind
First you love me, then you fade away
I can’t go on believin’ this way

I got nothing but love for you
Now tell me what you really wanna do
First you love me then you get on down the line
But I don’t mind.
I don’t’t mind

I’ll be there if you want me to
No one else that could ever do
Got to get some peace in my mind.

Monday morning you sure look fine
Friday I got travelin on my mind
First you love me then you say it’s wrong
You know I can’t go on believing for long

But you know it’s true
You only want me when I get over you
First you love me then you get on down the line
But I don’t mind
No, I don’t mind

I’ll be there if you want me to
No one else that could ever do
Got to get some peace in my mind

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by TomCat009 on Nov 18, 2010 4:11 AM EST up reply actions  

you lack two of the more important characteristics

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by TomCat009 on Nov 18, 2010 3:02 AM EST up reply actions  

i'm sure i could learn to smoke weed

or at least add it to the brownies

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by gdm426 on Nov 18, 2010 3:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Come to Colorado they sell it in cupcakes here

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by TomCat009 on Nov 18, 2010 3:04 AM EST up reply actions  

oh gawd i love cupcakes

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by gdm426 on Nov 18, 2010 3:05 AM EST up reply actions  

no that will attract cheaters

"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"

Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."

by riftraftredbird on Nov 18, 2010 3:04 AM EST up reply actions  

it used to be blonde & i never, ever got even so much as a sniff

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by gdm426 on Nov 18, 2010 3:04 AM EST up reply actions  

what ! are you the freakin elephant man dude ?

"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"

Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."

by riftraftredbird on Nov 18, 2010 3:05 AM EST up reply actions  

that's worth a rec

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Nov 18, 2010 3:11 AM EST up reply actions  

I would like to agree with you but, I can say honestly

that the unemployed guy usually has a girlfriend he lives with, and four or five side projects

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by TomCat009 on Nov 18, 2010 3:13 AM EST up reply actions  

come on man

you’re just going to make gdm feel bad

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Nov 18, 2010 3:14 AM EST up reply actions  

no more than usual dude

no more than usual

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by gdm426 on Nov 18, 2010 3:18 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah, you know that one guy

and there are a couple of million unemployed guys who don’t have that. Probably more than one that you know.

or maybe every unemployed guy has 6+ women dying to screw them, and they just advertise their “how to get chicks by being unemployed” self help video during the day, when we’re all at work, so we never see them. sigh.

probably a good thing- I have no idea what I’d do with “a chick i lived with and four or five side projects”.

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Nov 18, 2010 3:20 AM EST up reply actions  

now I was saying who has the most in total certainly

not the most satisfying, or rewarding. I have known a lot of guys in that vein and while their relationships never last(or their jobs) they never seem to be out of one long.

 The four friends I can think of who spent the longest stretches single were the nicest guys, and the most loyal.

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 18, 2010 3:31 AM EST up reply actions  

i doubt most women have the desire to make bacon covered bourbon brownies

but i sure hope i find one that does

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 18, 2010 3:16 AM EST up reply actions  

keep looking and consider cooking school

"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"

Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."

by riftraftredbird on Nov 18, 2010 3:17 AM EST up reply actions  

i would love to be a chef, i think i really would

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 18, 2010 3:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Then do it

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 18, 2010 3:20 AM EST up reply actions  

dude, do it

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Nov 18, 2010 3:20 AM EST up reply actions  

do it there's funding and its a blast

"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"

Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."

by riftraftredbird on Nov 18, 2010 3:20 AM EST up reply actions  

that's the problem, i've got a lot of responsibilities

with my mom that have prevented me from doing it or i probably already would have done that or something like UTI or WyoTech

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 18, 2010 3:32 AM EST up reply actions  

seriously do it tomorrow

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 18, 2010 3:32 AM EST up reply actions  

hopefully next fall i can start at the local one up here

or one of the ones in the STL.

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 18, 2010 3:42 AM EST up reply actions  

do it

Viva El Bar needs a cook

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 19, 2010 7:06 PM EST up reply actions  

please, no gif responses

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Nov 18, 2010 3:21 AM EST up reply actions  

my gif's have been taken away for the time being

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 18, 2010 3:28 AM EST up reply actions  

damn, you're droppin truth in this thread, 2 recs for you sir

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 19, 2010 7:05 PM EST up reply actions  

The correct answer is

Who the hell is Tony Parker?

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 18, 2010 8:08 AM EST up reply actions  

it's some kind of game with a ball

and apparently he’s french

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 18, 2010 8:37 AM EST up reply actions  

for the record

i never said anything about pre-nup

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 18, 2010 8:37 AM EST up reply actions  

There it is.

Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork

by TBender on Nov 18, 2010 9:05 AM EST up reply actions  

one day Kanye will read VEB and write a song about us

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 18, 2010 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

So in case you didn't know

The cleveland show has a lot of episodes about baseball
like the latest one

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Nov 18, 2010 2:09 AM EST reply actions  

VEB sitemeter is cool

pretty fun to play with

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Nov 18, 2010 2:19 AM EST reply actions  

wat

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 18, 2010 2:21 AM EST up reply actions  

it's somewhat of an easter egg

i just found it.

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Nov 18, 2010 2:23 AM EST up reply actions  

hoollleeeeee shit

i’ve seen porn that was less porny than that

damn

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 18, 2010 2:53 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Man, VEB get's fired up about celebrity sex scandals

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Nov 18, 2010 2:51 AM EST reply actions  

So, how's life?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 18, 2010 2:52 AM EST up reply actions  

oh ya know

I’ve been faithful to my wife for all of 3.5 months that we’ve been married, so i’d say things are going well.
You?

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Nov 18, 2010 2:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Not married yet, but I've been faithful for the 7.5 years we've been together

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 18, 2010 2:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I guess I should clarify that I was faithful the entirety of the 3.5 years we dated beforehand too then

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Nov 18, 2010 2:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Whatever I still win

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 18, 2010 3:00 AM EST up reply actions  

How positively boring!

But I can’t talk, I’ve been faithful to my wife for almost three years and we have an almost two year old kid. And I’m getting grey hair. There just aren’t enough celebrities in my life to have scandals with, you know?

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 18, 2010 8:13 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah it's just a bunch of dudes too

where are the women of VEB?

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 18, 2010 2:55 AM EST up reply actions  

probably talking baseball in some bar

"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"

Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."

by riftraftredbird on Nov 18, 2010 2:56 AM EST up reply actions   3 recs

they need to get in touch with their emotions

Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter

by prophetjohn on Nov 18, 2010 3:01 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah where's d-dee and spants

"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"

Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."

by riftraftredbird on Nov 18, 2010 3:03 AM EST up reply actions  

the only emotions those two have scare me

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 18, 2010 3:06 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

yeah i think they involve knives and cutting objects

"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"

Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."

by riftraftredbird on Nov 18, 2010 3:08 AM EST up reply actions  

i would never cheat on them that's for sure

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Nov 18, 2010 3:10 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

i think they would be cheaters not the guys

"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"

Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."

by riftraftredbird on Nov 18, 2010 3:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Like I said some women only get cheated on once

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 18, 2010 3:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Beatles nerds

Have you heard “How Do You Sleep?” off of John’s second solo album?

Fucking incinerates Paul

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 18, 2010 3:25 AM EST reply actions  

You've probably been listening to the early stuff?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 18, 2010 3:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Give me your top 10 Beatles songs

Because, I mean I’ve given them a chance, and I’m just not convinced.

by vivaelpujols on Nov 18, 2010 3:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh God

In no particular order:
While My Guitar Gently Weeps
Rocky Raccoon
I’ve Just Seen a Face
In My Life
She’s Leaving Home
Help!
I’m Only Sleeping
And Your Bird Can Sing
I’ll Follow The Sun
A Day in the Life

I’m sure I missed something egregiously

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 18, 2010 3:38 AM EST up reply actions  

You gotta have "Weeps". Clapton played the solo on it.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 18, 2010 3:42 AM EST up reply actions  

I love While My Guitar Gently Weeps and A Day In the Life

I absolutely hate Help. I’ll give the other ones a listen.

by vivaelpujols on Nov 18, 2010 3:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Actually, here's a list of songs just to show the wide range that they could cover

“She Loves You” – Classic poppy song
“Helter Skelter” – The song that essentially created the metal genre
“Within You Without You” – Indian
“Revolution” (The one on Past Masters) – Hard Rock
“You’ve Got to Hide Your Love Away” – Folk/Dylanesque
“In My Life” – Nostalgic ballad

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 18, 2010 3:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Within You was one of Harrison's, wasn't it?

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 18, 2010 3:46 AM EST up reply actions  

yes only harrison and trad indian musicians

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 18, 2010 3:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, Harrison was lonely as shit during Pepper

They just left him alone to work on this track.

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 18, 2010 3:49 AM EST up reply actions  

helter skelter is one of my favorites because of that reason

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Nov 18, 2010 3:48 AM EST up reply actions  

How to classify Rocky Racoon

Bungalow Bill
For the Benefit of Mr Kite
Revolution 9
Octopus’s Garden

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 18, 2010 3:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm just unimpressed

They are significantly worse technically than the other british bands of their era (Zeppelin, Floyd, Stones, the Who, the Kinks, the Yardbirds), and the bulk of their songs sound too poppy for my taste. Whatever, I’ll listen to more of their stuff later.

by vivaelpujols on Nov 18, 2010 3:56 AM EST up reply actions  

...those all came later

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 18, 2010 3:57 AM EST up reply actions  

and many would say because of

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 18, 2010 3:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Actually, the Stones are from the same time, The Beatles just got here quicker.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 18, 2010 3:59 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah but the stones developed that sound after

hearing the post Hamburg sound

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 18, 2010 4:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Hmmm, Guess I didn't realize that.

It always struck me more that the Stones took their sound more Muddy Waters and Howling Wolf than really anything that the Beatles did. The Beatles always struck me as more of the Chuck Berry Style and less of the straight up blues that the other bands did.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 18, 2010 4:11 AM EST up reply actions  

And on the subject of the Stones,

I have to say that the intro to Gimme Shelter is probably my favorite intro of all-time.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 18, 2010 4:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Ohh the definitely were heavily influenced by the american delta

but when the Bugs got back from that hamburg gig they were razor sharp, everyone had to step their game up

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 18, 2010 4:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Gotcha. I see what you're getting at now.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 18, 2010 4:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Not true

The Yardbirds came before The Beatles and The Stones, Kinks and Who were all around the same time. Only Zeppelin came significantly after the Beatles, and Page was already playing for the Yardbirds before that, so I doubt he was heavily influenced by the Beatles.

by vivaelpujols on Nov 18, 2010 4:00 AM EST up reply actions  

That's almost two different genres.

I never found the Beatles to be anywhere nearly as blues influenced as the Stones and definitely not the Yardbirds.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 18, 2010 4:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Not even close

The bands I mentioned had much “harder” songs than anything from the Beatles.

by vivaelpujols on Nov 18, 2010 4:03 AM EST up reply actions  

The Beatles were the first of them, man

This is the song that was #1 two weeks before “She Loves You”

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 18, 2010 4:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Erm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbNP5yqg7hc

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 18, 2010 4:31 AM EST up reply actions  

meh, surf rock was very technically sound

Dick Dale could play circles around the Beatles. Obviously, if you’re going to compare the Beatles to pop they’ll look good.

by vivaelpujols on Nov 18, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I just DLed the remastered stereo set

been listening to it lately, it’s made my week

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Nov 18, 2010 3:29 AM EST up reply actions  

If you haven't taught yourself to do this yet

First rule of Beatles listening: Be able to distinguish between their voices and their songwriting styles

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 18, 2010 3:30 AM EST up reply actions  

you mean like

“Hey ringo, I’ve got an idea, let’s go record 2 minutes of me proposing copulation in the road. I’ll use my great blues voice. You stamp out a little beat. I’ll clap. It’ll be gold.”

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Nov 18, 2010 3:33 AM EST up reply actions  

No

Paul’s songs are very flowery, optimistic, and use a wide vocal range. “She’s Leaving Home” is a pretty quintessential song

John songs are moody, pessimistic, and pretty dark. “Run For Your Life” is an extreme example of a John song

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 18, 2010 3:40 AM EST up reply actions  

For all of John's pacifistic, flower child, " I love everybody" BS.

The dude had a horrific temper.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 18, 2010 3:45 AM EST up reply actions  

True dat

Though the hippie John was essentially all of Yoko’s doing

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 18, 2010 3:47 AM EST up reply actions  

There's a syndicated radio program on a station that I listen to that is called "The Beatle Years".

I’ve learned a whole lotta shit about them that I’d never heard of before, And I’ve been listening to them for longer than you’ve been alive.lol

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 18, 2010 3:50 AM EST up reply actions  

I never really gave them a good listen until my Beatles class

Now they’re basically all I listen to

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 18, 2010 3:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Of course

I love Pink Floyd and the Who

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 18, 2010 3:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Fuck Yoko.....

and not in bed.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 18, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Paul mentioned how much that hurt in their bio

turns out Paul was right, and that Epstein was not looking out for their interest, he was too green.

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 18, 2010 3:34 AM EST up reply actions  

What do you mean by that?

The Epstein part

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 18, 2010 3:40 AM EST up reply actions  

that Epstein negotiated deals that were so bad that after he died

Paul ended up suing the entity The Beatles to try and pry some of the songs free. He sad he made a hundred times more money with Wings than he did with the Beatles

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 18, 2010 3:52 AM EST up reply actions  

That's how Michael Jackson ended up owning the Beatles' song catalog.

Epstein had it set-up so that the band didn’t really own any of their own stuff. Paul essentially had to ask MJ for the rights to sing his own damn songs.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Nov 18, 2010 3:56 AM EST up reply actions  

sometimes John's voice just really gets on my nerves

I much prefer the sound of Paul

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Nov 18, 2010 3:35 AM EST up reply actions  

I prefer Paul as well

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 18, 2010 3:40 AM EST up reply actions  

What about the words "Absolutely breathtaking?"

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 18, 2010 4:13 AM EST up reply actions  

don't do it justice

also revolution 9 sounds awesome in stereo

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Nov 18, 2010 4:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Least listened to song in the Beatles catalog haha

Which is a shame, because that makes people skip over “Good Night,” the last song on the White Album

Beautiful Ringo-sung song

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 18, 2010 4:34 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah, i just listened to that and now i'm really sleepy

now rocky raccoon to liven things up a little, lol

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Nov 18, 2010 4:42 AM EST up reply actions  

What the hell time do you go to bed

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 18, 2010 4:52 AM EST up reply actions  

2am pacific

I just live in chicago

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

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