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Understanding dFAWARP: A Primer

With the GM Meetings still quiet I want to spend a little more time on something I attempted to remove, yesterday, from my conception of Brendan Ryan's value. That is, that he's a fun player to watch, whereas watching Skip Schumaker does absolutely nothing for me. (If you're looking for more Hot Stove-y talk, SB Nation St. Louis is currently running a Top Five that could be relevant to your interests.)

A player's relative funness is a difficult concept to measure, in part because it's not a real concept but also because a team can accumulate fun-points—hereafter Fun-ness Above Wins Above A Replacement Player, or FAWARP—and still end up being a terrible team to watch. To a certain extent, as with Brendan Ryan, I'm willing to trade wins because I'm watching baseball to enjoy it, and he makes baseball more enjoyable to watch.

So long as the team maintains a balance of fun and time-in-contention—I call this the Major League zone—all that FAWARP is being put to good use. Brendan Ryan is a lot of fun on a team that's winning. But fall too far out of contention—I call this the Major League: Back to the Minors zone—and all that FAWARP will only make you angry. Brendan Ryan will be one Joe Mather Bro Talk away from jumping from the top of the team hotel.

With that caveat in mind, here are my own FAWARP calculations—you can call this dFAWARP; fFAWARP is more concerned with how much fun a player should be, given his peripherals—for the 2011 Cardinals as they exist now. Going around the horn:

C Yadier Molina: 1.5 dFAWARP. What's not to like about Yadier Molina? He seems really happy to be playing baseball about 95% of the time, and the other five percent of the time he is incredibly pissed off at Brandon Phillips, which is also good. He's the master of the pick-off play, one of the most exciting plays in baseball, he likes to steal bases despite being really slow, which is another positive, and he's defused the most common flaw of the ostensibly fun-to-watch catcher by also becoming a competent hitter.

His upside is limited by his propensity to hit into the double play, but he's definitely one of the most enjoyable catchers in the National League.

1B Albert Pujols: 6.0 dFAWARP. This is definitely a case where dFAWARP and fFAWARP diverge. fFAWARP sees a funny accent, which is a plus, as well as the fearless baserunning and his Musialian aura of good-guyness, but docks him for the angst-inducing injury concerns and the coming decline questions and contract negotiations. I understand all those, and once his peripherals even out Pujols might be in for a major FAWARP drop.

But for the moment, Albert Pujols is so fun to watch entirely because he's so good. When he declines he could go negative in a hurry, because nobody likes to watch as superstars turn into stars, or stars into regulars. If he leaves for New York or Boston, he might cause everybody's FAWARP to crater, and I'll have to quit here and start making Harry Potter references on a Harry Potter website, instead, which would be disorienting. 

2B Skip Schumaker: -0.5 dFAWARP. I'm told his wFAWARP is much higher.

Star-divide

Schumaker peaked around 1.0 dFAWARP, when he made that novel transition from the outfield to second base, but as a second baseman who hit an empty .270 and couldn't really play defense he got unappealing in a hurry.

Schumaker's tlrFAWARP is extremely high, which showcases a fundamental difference in the way our systems handle grittiness and a can-do attitude. Analysts who value that kind of low-key, blue-collar heroism in players find Schumaker's move to be an inspiring case of doing the right thing, and while I admire the work he's put in... it's great that this dog has learned how to talk, but last year he wasn't very good at it.

I've noticed of late that his increasing tlrFAWARP has had negative effects on his vebFAWARP; more research is necessary.

3B David Freese: 0.0 dFAWARP. David Freese exemplifies what Dave and Bustermetricians call Funplacement Level. His star turn in those local Sonic commercials is balanced by the concern that his leg might explode at any moment.

SS Brendan Ryan: 2.0 dFAWARP. Definitely the top mortal in the Cardinals clubhouse, Brendan Ryan exemplifies all the qualities that can raise one's dFAWARP. He's instantly recognizable and unique on the field, having sported, variously, a mustache and high-socks and played Gold Glove defense in a way that's not only competent but especially exciting. He's starred in webisodes that weren't awkward and is always prepared to give an unexpectedly entertaining post-game interview.

There's always the concern, however, that the desire to maintain his dFAWARP might negatively impact it. When he struggles, and his interviews turn sullen and worried, his dFAWARP falls precipitously; when partner-in-webisodes Joe Mather is traded the team's collective Pythagorean Fun Differential is sapped in a way it wouldn't be if Brendan Ryan were just Adam Everett.

LF Matt Holliday: 0.5 dFAWARP. Researchers at the Post-Dispatch's Cards Talk forum drew our attention, last May, to what they understood to be massive amounts of negative-fun radiating from left field, but the sabermetric community has condemned these findings as insubstantial. The peer-reviewed Small Sample Size journal concluded that,

"Definitely a small sample size."

(I'd like to apologize to the Small Sample Size journal for reprinting the entirety of that article.) Holliday's positive dFAWARP stems from the way in which he is surprisingly good at everything. He's a surprisingly graceful baserunner; he's a surprisingly solid defensive outfielder, for the most part; and despite his vicious, almost unhinged swing he's a line-drive hitter, and not a swinger-for-the-fences.

CF Colby Rasmus: -0.5 dFAWARP. I love that Colby Rasmus is a member of the Cardinals, but at this moment there's so much uncertainty that the projections can't drawn an accurate picture of his likely fun-production. He's had vague and worrisome injury problems for a youngster, which are always a drag on enjoyability, and his status as the MacGuffin in a long-standing, team-threatening tug of war between the field management, the business management, and certain would-be muckrakers at the Post-Dispatch makes him, at times, exhausting to watch.

A number of fun coaches have suggested, in addition, that he learn to sell it; I would agree with their conclusions. 

RF: Jon Jay (0.5 dFAWARP) and Allen Craig (1.0 dFAWARP). If I were a gambling man, and this were something people gambled on, I would sell high on Allen Craig's dFAWARP, as much as I plan to enjoy watching him as the short end of a platoon in right field. Craig is so exciting to watch precisely because it's taken so long for us to be able to watch him. Once he's off the milk carton—and provided he doesn't go off for yet another .900 OPS season at a new level—he's just a nice, cheap, unassuming hitter with defensive problems. 

Okay, until David Freese's leg explodes. 

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Phenomenal.

Where’s Big Sweat fall on the list?

Can we get an analysis of board members?

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BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS

by vexedtechie on Nov 16, 2010 6:26 AM EST reply actions  

went through the roof when he donned the lucha mask

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 16, 2010 7:38 AM EST up reply actions  

picture

link

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 16, 2010 9:23 AM EST up reply actions  

so then I might be contributing to fun as well?

You fit into me
like a hook into an eye

a fish hook
an open eye

by Red Blazer on Nov 16, 2010 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

to VEB's FAWARP?

that is likely. to the Cardinals? not even you can help them.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 16, 2010 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

.......

:(

You fit into me
like a hook into an eye

a fish hook
an open eye

by Red Blazer on Nov 16, 2010 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

The way Chambers is lighting up the AFL

with all his leadoff type offense should give him a pretty high FAWARP.

You fit into me
like a hook into an eye

a fish hook
an open eye

by Red Blazer on Nov 16, 2010 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

we should work on his NAR

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 16, 2010 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Chambers of Secrets

You fit into me
like a hook into an eye

a fish hook
an open eye

by Red Blazer on Nov 16, 2010 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Merry Lynn Chambers

You fit into me
like a hook into an eye

a fish hook
an open eye

by Red Blazer on Nov 16, 2010 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Adron Prospect

and the Chambers of League Splits.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 16, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

nice...

it really rolls off the tounge.

by the time the announcer is doen the at bat will be over.

You fit into me
like a hook into an eye

a fish hook
an open eye

by Red Blazer on Nov 16, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

How in the hell have I never seen this before???

I can’t help feel as though I’ve failed myself somehow.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 16, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

you have.

there’s also a manip with Cardinals colors.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 16, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Yup, you're welcome.

Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.

BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS

by vexedtechie on Nov 17, 2010 6:15 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Too awesome for words.

Well, other than the word “awesome”.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 17, 2010 9:20 AM EST up reply actions  

oh, I forgot

when he batted for himself, and was revealed as a right-handed batter

it was the game that was forgettable.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 16, 2010 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Seems all pretty WARPed to me...

:=8/

My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Nov 16, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Fun post.

What would the FAWARP look like for Scott Spiezio?

by vinniefromjersey on Nov 16, 2010 6:32 AM EST reply actions  

...

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 16, 2010 10:18 AM EST up reply actions   3 recs

he's clean now, right?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 16, 2010 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

That's the word.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 16, 2010 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

naturally I disagree on Yadi's dFAWARP
  1. too low.
  2. Colby should have a higher fFAWARP, right? he’s smooth and all. however, I think his interviews are slowly inching up his dFAWARP, though I may be in the minority here.
  3. and you could always make baseball references on a Harry Potter website. hurry before Emma Watson becomes… oh. never mind.
  4. 2009’s FAWARP was through the roof. it ruined projections going forward, but it also wiped out recollections of 2007 and 2008.
  5. due to general insanity, bullpens may need an adjusted stat for FAWARP, but it may go the way of UZR in perceived efficacy — how do you measure a cooler scooter vs. an out-of-control goat beard? and then there’s Jason Motte.
  6. sometimes it’s better to stick to FAWARP that’s adjusted to park factors. off-the-field is just… yeah.
  7. Adam Wainwright is clearly the secret FAWARP booster of the entire team. the only
  8. new-to-VEBers should also check out the DAR stat. we’re frickin innovators, we are.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 16, 2010 7:53 AM EST reply actions  

^ the only man who can make fun of Chris Carpenter to his face, and live.

during starts, no less.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 16, 2010 7:55 AM EST up reply actions  

This!

To me, Yadi is the player with the most dFAWARP. Next is Boog. Next is Motte.

I am sure the Walrus can play RF...

by Paulspike on Nov 16, 2010 8:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Motte is a lot like Brian Wilson

but instead of being “quirky, television-personality” crazy, he’s just regular old batshit insane.

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Nov 16, 2010 8:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Haha

I am sure the Walrus can play RF...

by Paulspike on Nov 16, 2010 8:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah Motte has that...

I don’t want to say the wrong thing because he’ll scream obscenities at people/gloves type crazy.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 16, 2010 9:43 AM EST up reply actions  

that's it, if you want our FARWARP to sky-rocket

get rid of the FARWARP black holes in Miles (who single-handedly negates Albert’s dFARWARP), and Stav. Franklin must also be in the negative overall although 2010 boosted his stat a bit and sign Brian Wilson, sit him next to Motte and watch the bullpen fireworks

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Nov 16, 2010 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

^-R damn americans and your abbreviations

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Nov 16, 2010 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

you want me to say FACT, don't you

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 16, 2010 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

mhm..

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Nov 16, 2010 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

engage the FarWarp drive!

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 16, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Also, we once talked about

Nickname-ability Above Replacement, or NAR

I am sure the Walrus can play RF...

by Paulspike on Nov 16, 2010 8:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Nickname Potential & Nickname Prowess

is an important part of Sheckie’s FAWARP measurement.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 16, 2010 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Prowess? players have no control over their nicknames

once they put it in play, it’s all luck and manstew.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 16, 2010 9:51 AM EST up reply actions  

You don't think Hollidome has carefully cultivated/sculpted his lego shaped head...

solely to up his NAR? So naive…

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 16, 2010 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

that's not the head we're talking about

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 16, 2010 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

wait

what

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 16, 2010 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

uh oh.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 16, 2010 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

also, glossary.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 16, 2010 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

(I’d like to apologize to the Small Sample Size journal for reprinting the entirety of that article.)

love this joke

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Nov 16, 2010 8:36 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

Carp has to be the tops

Carp pegs the “Take no shit-o-meter” and he has Samsonite to prove it.

SD

by Gibby45 on Nov 16, 2010 8:40 AM EST reply actions  

He's on our team factor(hootf)

Carp demonstrates that the stat needs to be refined to reflect the fact that he is on our team, and not another team. His dFAWAWP (or whatever) is high because he is a Cardinal, and if he were on another team, he would tie Phillips.

Colby once again has his rating lowered by the presence of a parent.

by Remember Kenny B on Nov 16, 2010 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

sometimes you just can't leave your kid and his FAWARP unattended

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Nov 16, 2010 9:57 AM EST up reply actions  

this needs a babydaddy punchline

right? i’m running low on coffee

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 16, 2010 10:02 AM EST up reply actions  

i would have scored holliday a little higher

if nothing more than for the surprising revelation that i actually like watching him play

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on Nov 16, 2010 8:55 AM EST reply actions  

+1

rock on, Tremendous Skull.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 16, 2010 9:13 AM EST up reply actions  

his score took a nice jump at the end of the season

when i saw him hustlin’ his giant noggin off, even after we were out of contention

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 16, 2010 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Early on his, dFAWARP took a beating when he came up with RISP.

It took a while to overcome that.

OTOH, his NAR is stratospheric.

Too stupid and sissy-like to say that you want out.
You make the eyes of a million girls and think you'll make them shout.

by The Continental on Nov 16, 2010 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah, he's good

and he’s hit home runs the last two cardinal games I’ve been too, this boosts him in my book

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 16, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

OT: dipping tagalongs into coffee isn't the breakfast of champions.

But it is freakin delicious.

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Nov 16, 2010 9:23 AM EST reply actions  

i had a hot phenomenal ham-egg-cheddar bagel for breakfast

and i never have breakfast
now all i want is to eat breakfast all the time – i’ll be 600 lbs in no time

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Nov 16, 2010 9:30 AM EST up reply actions  

ummm...

I never heard of a ham-egg-cheddar bagel girl scout cookie before…

You fit into me
like a hook into an eye

a fish hook
an open eye

by Red Blazer on Nov 16, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

we should make it happen

and if it sells, maybe VEB can sign Boog and donate him to the Cardinals

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Nov 16, 2010 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

let's dooo it!

sign boog to VEB!

You fit into me
like a hook into an eye

a fish hook
an open eye

by Red Blazer on Nov 16, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

i prefer the thinmints.

These were given to me and were sitting at my desk when the thought entered my head. Between that and the soda I need to run an extra mile tomorrow.

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Nov 16, 2010 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Thinmints in the freezer

Best. Snack. Ever.

Amaury Cazana for RF in 2011 - the legend will never die!

by avs18fan on Nov 16, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions   4 recs

I disagree....

thin mints crumbled on vanilla ice cream with Hershey’s syrup.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 16, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Never tried that...

but WOW does that sound delicious.

dammit.

Amaury Cazana for RF in 2011 - the legend will never die!

by avs18fan on Nov 16, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure it's not healthy,

but I’m going to die anyway, so what the hell.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 16, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Chips Ahoy with Heath Bar Toffee Chips...

I swear they are crack in cookie form…
:=8.

My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Nov 16, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

^ This is correct.

Too stupid and sissy-like to say that you want out.
You make the eyes of a million girls and think you'll make them shout.

by The Continental on Nov 16, 2010 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

rec'd. but its samoa.

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on Nov 16, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Keebler is selling a similar cookie at the grocery store right now.

It’s not a 100% copy in flavor. More like 98%. I wish I’d never seen them.

by spants on Nov 16, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

and i wish you had never told me this.

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on Nov 16, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Is it possible to have a high rating...

and be a negative player? (see Marvelous Marvin).
There was some real entertainment!
What kind of rating would Bo Hart have or Rex Hudler?

Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.

by Dave Pendleton on Nov 16, 2010 9:24 AM EST reply actions  

Well, right off the bat

Hurricane has a positive NAR.

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 16, 2010 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

How about Manny?

Some people think he’s fun. I’m not one of them but they’re out there.
I wonder if the ratings would vary among regions.
How much fun would Boog be in pinstripes?

Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.

by Dave Pendleton on Nov 16, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

.................is he replacing Derek Jeter?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 16, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

The Yankees PR department

would never allow an actual defensively competent player to immediately follow The Captain onto the field, because it would completely undermine their efforts to make Jeter appear to be the most awesome SS in, like, American League history!

Ms Bitters (Invader Zim): Children, your performance was miserable. Your parents will all receive phone calls instructing them to love you less now.

by Rejuvenile on Nov 16, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Rex Hudler was pure entertainment

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 16, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

and not a bad player either.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Nov 16, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

you bet!

We could use the Wonder Dog now.

Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.

by Dave Pendleton on Nov 16, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

No way.

He had one decent season for us. He was terrible the other two seasons. Terrible. Those two seasons make Aaron Miles’s OBP look good.

by spants on Nov 16, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I mean for the fun.

He’s more fun than Miles.

Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.

by Dave Pendleton on Nov 16, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

gosh, you're right.

Those teams just sucked sooo bad I guess I didn’t notice. Seriously, I was left rooting for Jose DeLeon and Felix Jose.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Nov 16, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

we can't really discuss 2010 FAWARP

without d-dee’s fanpost

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 16, 2010 9:26 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

If you blow up those pics of Freese and Lego really big,

you can see what d-dee looks like, reflected in their eyes. Of course, she has a camera in front of her face….

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 16, 2010 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

d-dee's fanpost

has an incredibly high FAWARP

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 16, 2010 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

speaking of fun...

the best thing about this picture is it’s not photoshopped

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 16, 2010 9:41 AM EST reply actions  

yup

apparently they’ve never heard of vinyl decals.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 16, 2010 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

OMG

This is worse.

Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork

by TBender on Nov 16, 2010 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

are they made of money?

who can spend so much to make something so tacky?

I guess it’s true. the cubs don’t understand bunting.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 16, 2010 9:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe they're hoping this injures the stadium

so the state has to give them the money for renovations OR builds them a new stadium.

(They can’t threaten to move to Tampa like the White Sox did.)

Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork

by TBender on Nov 16, 2010 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

they're going to get some anyway, to "preserve" Wrigley

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 16, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Typical.

/politics!

Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork

by TBender on Nov 16, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Wrigley

Can’t stand the team that plays there but seeing that done to Wrigley Field is almost painful.

by WizardofOz1982 on Nov 17, 2010 9:26 AM EST up reply actions  

FAWARP could have been

just FARP, but I guess if you wanted to introduce a Fun-ness Above Replacement Team measure, things could have gotten a little awkward…

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Nov 16, 2010 9:43 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

Great post!

Really enjoyed this one. Excellent work. I would increase Yadi’s fun value (maybe due to a “post season hero factor” that you could add which is why So Taguchiand Speizio were still somewhat fun to watch after the ’06 season), and decrease Holliday to neutral (I just have some sort of irrational indifference to that guy).

Any chance you rate the Pitchers on FAWARP too?

by rva on Nov 16, 2010 9:45 AM EST reply actions  

i think Skip's wFAWARP is an illusion

since it seems to be directly correlated to his lack of shirt

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Nov 16, 2010 9:47 AM EST reply actions  

he does

keep his shirt on. it’s not his fault it keeps wanting to come off.

video.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 16, 2010 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

do tell

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Nov 16, 2010 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

ended up in bed with a girl last night, which was wierd.

highly surreal experience, i had no idea wtf i was doing

VEB's only queer since '09

by Aranathor on Nov 16, 2010 10:02 AM EST up reply actions  

to stay on-topic, you must post your FAWARP.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 16, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

it varies between -0.5 and 4.0

depending on how drunk/hungover i am

VEB's only queer since '09

by Aranathor on Nov 16, 2010 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

what was her FAWARP?

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Nov 16, 2010 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

me neither

so did she know what to do
and more importantly, is this likely to be revisited by you?

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Nov 16, 2010 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

We didn't DO alot

but she knew what she was doing.
I’m still more of a man’s man though… if you know what i mean

VEB's only queer since '09

by Aranathor on Nov 16, 2010 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

man's man?

Like a switch hitter?

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Nov 16, 2010 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

i think in theory every thing still works

If she seems to like something, keep doing it. If she doesn’t, don’t do that. The plumbing is different so you have to use different techniques… But the concept is fairly similar. (i think, I only bat from the right side, not the left.)

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Nov 16, 2010 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

After reading your sig

I do.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 16, 2010 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

a missed that

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Nov 16, 2010 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

REC

Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork

by TBender on Nov 16, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Also, sorry gdm.

Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork

by TBender on Nov 16, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

I didn't want to say anything

that was my first thought

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 16, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

how can you be sure your tagline is accurate

especially as a limey you ought to be sensitive to the myriad of ways one might be called a queer fellow

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 16, 2010 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Tagline is defintely not accurate.

I’ve been around for a while… just not so much lately.

"He ran hard, but he didn't run fast. He runs like he's mad at the ground." - opposing broadcaster describing Yadi's speed.

by TNTinCO on Nov 16, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

well i apologise for being presumptuous

Also, what you doing later…?

VEB's only queer since '09

by Aranathor on Nov 16, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

the nice thing about playing offense

and defense is that every tree deserves at least a sniff

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 16, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

true

it seemed like a good idea at the time. (i was drunk).

VEB's only queer since '09

by Aranathor on Nov 16, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

it was everything you imagined & so much more

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Dec 7, 2010 12:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Well it confuses me

Did he kill the other ones?

by sdrone on Nov 16, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

HIGHLANDER

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 16, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

After his experiences last night

He may have to adjust his queerness-over-straight numbers to account for the bedroom environment.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 16, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

TWSS

My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Nov 16, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

i get it

i like guys too

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Nov 16, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

as somebody with thirty years experience being one,

I don’t get it

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 16, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Nobody does.

I find it’s alot like NASCAR. Just keep turning left.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 16, 2010 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

completely untrue

Damn basement dwellers.

Anyway, it takes practice, take notes and study.

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Nov 16, 2010 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

In bed.

Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork

by TBender on Nov 16, 2010 10:25 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

that is an excellent in bed reference and i will rec it damn it

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Nov 16, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

I thought "in bed"

was applied in this situation.

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Nov 16, 2010 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah. I thought it was assumed

that is why i was talking about NASCAR!

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 16, 2010 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

pff

i liked it

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Nov 16, 2010 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Implied?

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 16, 2010 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

yes. Implied

applied also works. As in, the note taking and studying was to be applied in bed.

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Nov 16, 2010 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Girl-on-girl

alright!

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 16, 2010 10:42 AM EST up reply actions   5 recs

wait...

you’re a girl? See! It ain’t easy pleasing women!

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Nov 16, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh fer fu....

Me = man, gay man.

VEB's only queer since '09

by Aranathor on Nov 16, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

see, that's what I thought

but then you went with ISawGodInGibby’sRightArm started threw the girl-on-girl curve and I was completely out in front.

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Nov 16, 2010 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

sarchasm

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 16, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

yes

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 16, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Mixed metaphors

your crossing the international punchline

VEB's only queer since '09

by Aranathor on Nov 16, 2010 10:57 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

btw, were you arond when i got taken apart here

for calling sth gay?

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Nov 16, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

In gibby's defense several gay friends refer to each other as ladies or girls

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 16, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

You get me!

"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 16, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

so this has to be asked:

how does a gay man in (ireland?) become a st. louis cardinals fan?

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on Nov 16, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

theres a fanpost about this!

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Nov 16, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

people just don't use that search function

tsk

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 16, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

how could i have possibly known that there would be a fan post about how a gay eurpoean becomes a cardinals fan

is there a fan post for EVERYTHING?

is there a fanpost for how you keep up with all the tweets despite having no twitter account?

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on Nov 16, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

your just not ahead of the curve like the rest of us

but thats a very good question about Y2S…

VEB's only queer since '09

by Aranathor on Nov 16, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

i explained it

ON VEB.

I suspect CodyG just uses it as an excuse to hang around my basement window (I SEE YOU, CODY. [EYEBALL SIGN])

so my point on searching stands. also this Doubt of VEB is troubling. very troubling.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 16, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

He used to be a Cubs fan

But even the Irish eventually get tired of drinking that much.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 16, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

oh snap

y’all dun it now

Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter

by prophetjohn on Nov 16, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Psh, I dunno

I just went with it. It was funny in my head!

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 16, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

if you really wanted to get him going

you would have said “irish, scottish, british? wazza diffrance!”

Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter

by prophetjohn on Nov 16, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm having trouble getting this out of my head...

ironic?

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 16, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, they all talk funny and have a Queen (well, not the Irish, whatever dood!)

Amirite???//
Actually I find I’m pretty decent at separating accents, at least by nationality. Don’t ask me if a Scottish person is from Glasgow or Edinburgh or something like that.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 16, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I won't even pretend to say I know them

I imagine it’s something like the regional accents in the U.S., only intensified and crammed into a smaller area. With slang that makes it almost unintelligible for outsiders.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 16, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, apparently red dragons aren't awesome enough to remember them

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 16, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Also, out of curiosity

I did a Google Image search of “Welsh” hoping to find some pictures of the Welsh alphabet. I mostly got pictures of corgis, the flag, and some delicious looking cheesy thing which turned out to be Welsh rarebit. I had heard of it before but knew nothing about it. Now I wanna try some.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 16, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Go to the scottish arms

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 16, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Llanfairpwllgwyngyll

Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter

by prophetjohn on Nov 16, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

that is considered an easily pronounceable welsh word

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 16, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

of course

llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch is part of my daily vocabulary

Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter

by prophetjohn on Nov 16, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

and in fairness the locals call it

Llan..aw fuck it

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 16, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

also Catherine Zed Jones

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 16, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Uh oh...

And you thought Cards-Cubs was a rivalry…

Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork

by TBender on Nov 16, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I maybe had inadvertently sparked an diplomatic crisis.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 16, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

He is a Geordie

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 16, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Toons!!!!!!!!!

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 16, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

In my own personal FAWARP

David Freese has a high level. But only because I played this prior to every AB and after he made any sort of above-normal play.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 16, 2010 9:49 AM EST reply actions  

And let's be honest...

any time he made a normal play, anytime his sonic commericals came on. And anytime on VEB that he was mentioned…

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 16, 2010 9:51 AM EST up reply actions  

this is veb-inflated.

one has to factor in the distortion of the numbers. gifs alone…

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 16, 2010 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

David Freese is bolstered highly by Arnold.

Joel Schumacher is finally good for something.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 16, 2010 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Psh, Joel Schumacher is a replacement filmmaker!

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 16, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

he's probably a below replacement filmmaker

he’s like the Pagz Lite of major filmmaking

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 16, 2010 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

That's a bit generous, don't you think?

The whole “Nipples on the batsuit” fiasco should push him into the negatives in my opinion. Not even Alicia Silverstone’s batgirl costume could make up for that.

by dronemc on Nov 16, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I object to anyone in a batman mask being "funplacement."

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Nov 16, 2010 11:17 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Per mlbtraderumors.com

This has a good amount of YUCK, and some GOOD to it. But mostly yuck.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 16, 2010 10:08 AM EST reply actions  

theres no new info here

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Nov 16, 2010 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

...

Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork

by TBender on Nov 16, 2010 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

i know, i know.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 16, 2010 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

creepy unicorns...

always getting in my VEB….

You fit into me
like a hook into an eye

a fish hook
an open eye

by Red Blazer on Nov 16, 2010 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Strauss has a souce
who believes Pujols “is unlikely to revisit the matter once the 2011 season opens.”

I wonder who that source could be?

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Nov 16, 2010 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

i know right, i thought the exact same thing

Albert Pujols: “World, I don’t do contract talk during the season”
Joe Strauss: “I have a super secret source that talks only to me who says Albert is unlikely to revisit..” argh fuck you Strauss

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Nov 16, 2010 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Couldn't this just be Strauss really wanting to be right and banking on AP resiging to make that happen?

I mean, if Albert resigns, then they wouldn’t have any cause to revisit contract negotiations during the season.

Also, rumblings are that Colby will play baseball next season, either for or not for the Cardinals.

We can do uninformed speculation here, too.

by dronemc on Nov 16, 2010 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

you are talking about the same strauss

that said a week ago that chances were less than fifty percent that albert resigns with us, right?
you realize what kind of a person strauss is? he just wants his name out there at whatever price

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Nov 16, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm just making a sad attempt to be clever, really.

Though I wouldn’t put it past Strauss to claim some sort of prophetic victory if AP is resigned, using the above rationale.

by dronemc on Nov 16, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Also, the momentum has totally run out for a Westbrook deal

Oh wait, now it looks like it’s back.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 16, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Or maybe that was Rosenthal...

Whatevs.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 16, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

mlbtraderumors is re-tweeting Strauss.

there goes that resource. delete. cue the unicorn.

All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.
Charles M. Schulz

by spfldbird on Nov 16, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

My Dan Uggla trade proposal

Bryan Anderson + Lance Lynn + maybe a reliever like Motte if necessary.

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Nov 16, 2010 10:13 AM EST reply actions  

Id prefer to give up Boggs than Motte

You fit into me
like a hook into an eye

a fish hook
an open eye

by Red Blazer on Nov 16, 2010 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

me too.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 16, 2010 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

keep Boggs

All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.
Charles M. Schulz

by spfldbird on Nov 16, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

okay, Boggs then

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Nov 16, 2010 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd rather hold on to Motte by virtue of the very statistic created by DanUp in this topic.

I don’t see any scenario in which Boggs is more fun to watch than Motte. Even if Motte’s bad, he’s mercurially bad, in a can’t-look-away sort of way. Boggs is just dull.

by dronemc on Nov 16, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

yep, she's not bad at all

she’s a news reporter here in Boston

by mattyp on Nov 16, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Erin Hawsworth, everyone (sorry for the obvious photoshopping)

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Nov 16, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

what

she doesn’t naturally emit celestial light?

Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter

by prophetjohn on Nov 16, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions   4 recs

after some deliberation, I used the subject line.

link-to. something about that is rather wrong.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 16, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

As photoshopping goes, this is pretty innocuous

I mean, at least she hasn’t herself been altered to look like some sort of creepy Barbie doll. Her arms actually look like they are made of human flesh, and you can see a couple moles on her face.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 16, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

but she looks like some creepy Barbie doll.

and if that’s not photoshopped… I dunno.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 16, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

you could photoshop in my bed...

that’d be alright.

You fit into me
like a hook into an eye

a fish hook
an open eye

by Red Blazer on Nov 16, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I meant...

her in my bed…

not that my bed could be used for photoshop projects…

everything gets all screwe up speaking through this mask.

You fit into me
like a hook into an eye

a fish hook
an open eye

by Red Blazer on Nov 16, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

i didn't think she was that hot this morning

i’ve since had a day of classes and i still don’t think she’s all that hot

Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter

by prophetjohn on Nov 16, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

this

this is why the picture’s creepy

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 16, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Now if Skip had a sister, Spants might think about taking a trip

in to Berkman territory

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 16, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Victor Martinez? Aaron Miles?

Chipper Jones? Mickey Mantle? Carlos Beltran?

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 16, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

i don't get it either

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 16, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

SWITCH HITTERS...

Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
Yeah, I have a Twitter...big whoop...wanna fight about it?

by nomar34 on Nov 16, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

but see, that's not the first thing that comes to mind

when you think of Lance Berkman
and his territory.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 16, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I know I was just tired of reading this thread

so I though I would help out…

Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
Yeah, I have a Twitter...big whoop...wanna fight about it?

by nomar34 on Nov 16, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm gonna leave before the topic turns to his territory

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 16, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

if you google search her
is a... uh... certain.. pict... BOOBS.. *cough* *cough*

i lost my train of thought…. now what was i saying?

by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 16, 2010 10:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I would say she is attractive and I would guess high maintenance

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 16, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes

Boggs misses surprisingly few bats. His FB plays up well out of the pen but his breaker does not. Motte, one pitch specialist though he is, misses muchos batos.

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by redbirdnation8206 on Nov 16, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

we need both Boggs and Motte

tricky, that.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 16, 2010 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

it goes

Sanchez > Salas > Samuel

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Nov 16, 2010 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Can I please use that as my tag line

so I won’t forget?

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Nov 16, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

go ahead, sir

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Nov 16, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

No way they get much for Samuel

His ghastly BB/9 isn’t going to get it done.

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by redbirdnation8206 on Nov 16, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

SIG

VEB's only queer since '09

by Aranathor on Nov 16, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Reply fail

sign Uggla or Reynolds, probably the same package for either

VEB's only queer since '09

by Aranathor on Nov 16, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

that would be a trade, not a sign

and Uggla’s value exceeds Reynolds

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Nov 16, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Hmmm...

Three MLB-ish players for one year of awesome offensive output and poor defense at 2B… But, we’d get a pick back for the 2012 draft. I don’t mind losing Motte (except on a personal level) as I think his on the field performance can be replicated. I’d rather not lose Anderson, but wouldn’t lose sleep over it, I guess (unless that makes them re-sign Pagz). And I’d hate to lose Lynn, but the extra pick Uggla will give us in 2012 can replace Shelby Miller and Shelby Miller replaces Lance Lynn in the “closet to MLB ready SP contest.”

In the end, I greenlight this.

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by Alxfritz on Nov 16, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

we get AT LEAST a pick

maybe two

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Nov 16, 2010 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Yea, a little bit on the "too rich for me" side

but the pick(s) in the 2012 draft would help. Anderson I’d have no real problem with as they don’t seem to be ready to make him backup. I’d hate to see either of Motte or Boggs go, especially Motte.

Has there been any discussion of what Florida is looking for in return? Do they need pitching (who doesn’t), OF, IF, ?? Any chance they would take Skip in return (we might have to eat some salary).

by ArkansasTravs on Nov 16, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

I think it was mentioned yesterday?

Catcher, Pitcher, MIF?

Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork

by TBender on Nov 16, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

i basically always read MIL as MILF. stupid american pie.

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by IHeartBoog on Nov 16, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Middle Infielder who Looks Fine?

The ladies of VEB seem to agree that Skip qualifies.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 16, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

i hope you're joking

but if not, wait for a suitable period of computer-freeness and look it up.

(I know VEB threads spontaneously generate themes in a mathematically random way, but this one is odd.)

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 16, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, Yadi2Second

I should hope that I had enough sarcasm cred built up that my knowledge of such an acronym wouldn’t be in doubt.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 16, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I have no perception of such things

I have catcher-in-the-rye syndrome when it comes to newbs stumbling blindly through the pseudo English language.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 17, 2010 8:38 AM EST up reply actions  

I getcha

Anyway, I have my share of sarcasm miscues and misreadings. I was just joshin’ ya, dooder.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 17, 2010 9:21 AM EST up reply actions  

what you just call me!

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 17, 2010 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

i would like to be excluded

oh wait you said ladies
nevermind then

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by d-dee on Nov 16, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

they're looking for a catcher and pitching.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 16, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Ok, so

Anderson, Boggs, and Skip and we pick up some of Skip’s contract. That would be a costly, money-wise, trade adding, say, $9M to next year’s payroll (7-8 for Uggla in arby and another 1-1.5 from Skip’s contract), but it wouldn’t cost us much (mostly just Boggs) in talent. We would have to find a 2B for 2012, but between Descalso, Greene, and Cox, surely we could make that year work.

Of course the Marlins could want (and possibly get) better than this.

by ArkansasTravs on Nov 16, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

IMO

If they can get Uggla without losing Motte, it’s a good move. If Boggs gets it done they have to pull the trigger.

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by redbirdnation8206 on Nov 16, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Not that it means all that much

But Motte’s name was next to the number at the top of a column of numbers under the title WAR/IP, even higher than Waino. Whether that means he was our most effective pitcher entirely, or just out of the bullpen, or just that my Excel program has a weird sorting routine, I don’t know. But the sorting came out saying that Motte had the biggest number, followed closely by Waino and McClellan, then Garcia, and Penny, Carp, and Franklin following after.

Boggs was much further down the list, even in his (I think) more effective role in the bullpen. The only way I think that he is more valuable to the Cardinals on the field is if he somehow gets back into the rotation mix, and maintains his effectiveness while doing so. I think the possibility of him being a starter, when he hasn’t shown anything so far to prove that he would be decent at it, is the main reason he would be more valuable as a trading chip than Motte, in addition to being less valuable were we to keep him.

Ms Bitters (Invader Zim): Children, your performance was miserable. Your parents will all receive phone calls instructing them to love you less now.

by Rejuvenile on Nov 16, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

no boggs starting nooooo

mentally he goes off the deep end as a starter. this is one case of the bullpen saving a dude’s life.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 16, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, but maybe only Cardinals fans know this

And we could convince some other team that he’s worth more to them because they are capable of finally turning him into an effective starter.

BTW, the full sorted list of WAR/100 IP (easier to read the numbers):

Motte 2.88
Wainwright 2.65
McClellan 2.53
Garcia 1.78
Penny 1.27
Carpenter 1.23
Franklin 1.23
Westbrook 1.07
Reyes 1.05
Suppan 0.57
Boggs 0.45
Salas 0.33
Miller 0.28
Hawksworth -1.44
Walters -2.00
Lohse -3.15

Ms Bitters (Invader Zim): Children, your performance was miserable. Your parents will all receive phone calls instructing them to love you less now.

by Rejuvenile on Nov 16, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I'd do it, except i wouldn't send Motte

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 16, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

so the NL Cy Young gets announced today...

where are we in the mix, anyone want to guess?
Waino ends up… second… third?

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Nov 16, 2010 11:06 AM EST reply actions  

second

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Nov 16, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

In a bizzare turn of events,

Wainwright is left completely off the NL Cy Young ballot by all votes, but somehow wins the AL Cy Young.

by dronemc on Nov 16, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

that's pretty close to what my Ballot would look like

you could argue that Johnson should be ahead of Ubaldo, but considering how much better Ubaldo was than any pitcher in the 18 years the Rockies have been playing I would argue he should be at least 3

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 16, 2010 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Coors field now and then...

seem like two completely different animals. I mean, if Aaron Cook can succeed there… I think Johnson is more worthy than Ubaldo or Wainwright. He only pitched 40 fewer innings and was MUCH better.

Screw you, you freakin stats nerd

by guayzimi on Nov 16, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

40 innings is like six starts

and IIRC, the reason johnson has so fewer innings is his inability to go deep into ball games.

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on Nov 16, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Aaron Cook has a career high ERA+ of 118 for a whole season

Ubaldo had a 161+ over 220 innings Tracy wore him out in the first half but even with that he had a great August and a solid September

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 16, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

correct

you win the prize of being able to think the like BBWA

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Nov 16, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Not quite...

Tim Hudson > Jason Johnson lol

Screw you, you freakin stats nerd

by guayzimi on Nov 16, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Jason Johnson will be very sad to hear this

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 16, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it depends on the audience

In most fun environments it will add, but the more old-fogey fun environments it could be a negative. After all, selling it can easily be seen as unnecessary “flash” when a more humble, workmanlike fielder wouldn’t make such a show of himself.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 16, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Thought I'd share what I woke up to today.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 16, 2010 11:40 AM EST reply actions  

you woke up in a snowy parking lot?

Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter

by prophetjohn on Nov 16, 2010 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, I took the picture when I got into work, asshats.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 16, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't expect too much in the walk up business department today

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 16, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

whisky

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 16, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Ah uisce beatha the water of life

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 16, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Jameson!!!!

:=8D

My intense hatred of JASON MARQUIS keeps me warm and toasty at night. Believe!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Nov 16, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

76 and sunny here today. it is finally that time of year when i get to gloat!

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on Nov 16, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

high of 70 here

currently a little cold. low-60s

Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter

by prophetjohn on Nov 16, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

cold and wet here

…as usual

VEB's only queer since '09

by Aranathor on Nov 16, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I must be the luckiest guy around

as far as travel goes. I spent 10 days in London & Paris two summers ago. It rained for about three hours one morning in Paris. The complete five day in London (it was June, but still) it was sunny and mild.

The other time I went to Europe (Germany, Austria and Hungary) it was in September and, other than one rainy day in Vienna, it was gorgeous weather the whole trip.

by ArkansasTravs on Nov 16, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

hell no

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 16, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Jealous...

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:=8O

by The MooCow on Nov 16, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

okay i'm driving to chicago by myself on friday

this better not happen or i will end up in a ditch on I-55 somewhere

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Nov 16, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Driving to Chicago in general

is ALWAYS a bad idea. Always. Always.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Nov 16, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

i dun get it

i drove there from columbia once and it was all right besides being like 8 hours long

Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter

by prophetjohn on Nov 16, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Because quite frankly I sincerely hope the entire city slides off into Lake Michigan.

Their sports teams suck, their people are rude, and Cook county lords over the rest of the state like a drunken despot.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Nov 16, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

i thought it was a pretty awesome city

onr of my favorites of the cities i’ve visited

Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter

by prophetjohn on Nov 16, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I hereby bequeath it to you in its entirety.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Nov 16, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

at this rate, VEB will need an "I hate [region]" fanshot

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 16, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Me too.

I would live there if not for the Cubs fans.

by spants on Nov 16, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

And not to talk politics, but

our new governor won 3 freaking counties in the whole state. Can you guess which 3?

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Nov 16, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Duh...

the three that voted for him.

You fit into me
like a hook into an eye

a fish hook
an open eye

by Red Blazer on Nov 16, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

this

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Nov 16, 2010 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

if it's illinois

it’s probably the three counties with the most dead people voting.

Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers

by SleepyCA on Nov 16, 2010 11:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Vote early, vote often, vote posthumously.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 17, 2010 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

i don't know, i've been in chicago um... twice

once for work and i didn’t really leave the hotel
and the second time to the airport
now i’m driving there alone
you need to understand, europeans don’t drive much, don’t usually drive places if it’s more than a couple of hours drive and we’re usually polite drivers – use blinkers, observe right of way and all that. i’m afraid that chicago drivers will eat me alive. and as a female alone, in a big new place, i’m a bit uneasy.. maybe i should take one of the dogs

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Nov 16, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Take the train?

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 16, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

will bring a lot back otherwise i would

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Nov 16, 2010 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh they will.

I’m from the other end of the state. We generally don’t speed, and we wave each other through 4-way stops.

Not true up there. They just drive through red lights till they get cut off, they speed, and they are generally kind of obnoxious people. Now there exceptions to every rule, but the nice, laid back person is a rare person there.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Nov 16, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

megabus it

or try to stay with the pack when you’re driving, it’s probably easier than just cruising on the expressway (although, be sure to stay right if you are going slower).

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 16, 2010 7:42 PM EST up reply actions  

No, keep that stuff out of here!!!

Snow sucks.

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by redbirdnation8206 on Nov 16, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Dan, I was gonna say that you're underrating Molina's FAWARP

Then I noticed he only trails Ryan and Pujols on our list. I just wan’t grasping the scale quite yet. Clearly, a 1.5 FAWARP is nothing to scoff at. Albert’s rather Pujolsian gap between him and the next highest FAWARP on the list makes it harder to appreciate Yadi and Brendan’s achievements.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 16, 2010 12:21 PM EST reply actions  

the Cards clearly need to work on their FAWARP for '11

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 16, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

What would Tony's FAWARP be?

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 16, 2010 12:29 PM EST reply actions  

-4

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 16, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

What about Dave Duncan?

I find his (perceived) ol’ curmudgeon appearance entertaining. I also enjoy making jokes to my friends about him and viagra.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 16, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Dunc's is actually pretty high

he doesn’t mess around, and when he trots out there, he doesn’t go at Lou-speed, and all he seems to say is “get your fucking head out of your ass”. then he goes back.

I mean, it’s entertaining enough for Yadi to always want to be present to watch.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 16, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I love how he usually seems pretty calm...

but appears to never be f*cking around, AND using a large amount of obscenities…maybe that is just my own imagination taking over.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 16, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

he always seems to be around, imo

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 16, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

he's like the glue

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 16, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

sigh...

but he don’t f*ck around. If he’s on the mound, he ain’t f*ckin’ around.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 16, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

in bed?

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 16, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

1.5

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 16, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

dFAWARP...

Someone should notify Bill James about this.

by JWO on Nov 16, 2010 12:31 PM EST reply actions  

Now that is a trade I would consider making

even if Miller’s name came up

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 16, 2010 1:11 PM EST reply actions  

which one is he...

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 16, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

the one with power and a team friendly contract

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 16, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

in bed.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 16, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

hmm?

seems like you’re just posting in bed to random sentences… unless im missing something and they make sense…

(shrugs)…

by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 16, 2010 11:02 PM EST up reply actions  

He posted a .388 wOBA as a 22yr old RF in 09 took an injured step back in 10

here is his contract

  1. 6 years/$51.25M (2010-15)

    * signed extension with Arizona 3/3/10
    * $1.25M signing bonus
    * 10:$0.5M, 11:$4.25M, 12:$6.75M, 13:$9.75M, 14:$14.25M, 15:$14.5M

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 16, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Obligatory comment about how VEB never talks baseball.

(Just thought I’d get that out of the way.)

Silly humans, this world is for robots.

by azruavatar on Nov 16, 2010 1:31 PM EST reply actions   3 recs

THAT'S THREE GREENS IN ONE THREAD, PEOPLE

remember this day forever.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 17, 2010 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

You haven't responded to my post About Justin Upton being on the block

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 16, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

You robots designed

the TSA guidelines didn’t you

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 16, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

sorry, I had one comment about the weather and all the sudden I never talk about baseball!

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 16, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

What's baseball?

Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork

by TBender on Nov 16, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

ask FESPN

..oh wait, they don’t know

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Nov 16, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

it's some sport that takes place about 1000 years from now

stupid winter

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 16, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

...

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 16, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

in bed

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 16, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

This is a baseball blog? I thought this was where we came to

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 16, 2010 3:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

...bitch about unfair tickets

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 16, 2010 3:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

yeah, lots of z-ing today

Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter

by prophetjohn on Nov 16, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Waino is number two

congrats to Roy

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 16, 2010 2:08 PM EST reply actions  

And Waino's extension just kicked in.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 16, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Wainwright now signed through 2013

$9M in 2012, $12M in 2013.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 16, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

it's ADAM WAINWRIGHT.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 16, 2010 11:06 PM EST up reply actions  

+10^6

A.D.A.M. is worth $12M now, we’re getting a bargain in ’13 (assuming continued…..you know)

by ArkansasTravs on Nov 16, 2010 11:55 PM EST up reply actions  

The right choice.

Waino will get his.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 16, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

It's wierd to think all those times I walked pasted the A-West practice that

there was future Cy Young award winner out there, of course if I had known I would have made my buddy Bret hang out with him more

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 16, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

called it

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 16, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

how prescient!

Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter

by prophetjohn on Nov 16, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

A.D.A.M. via Leach

loves the pie. family loves the pie. trying to sell the pie to Jake, but Jake has a poker face.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 16, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

sounds like he loves the BBQ

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Nov 16, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

that video of him driving to the stadium

he talks about his insatiable love of food. “more than date nights”, he says his wife jokes.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 16, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey Chitown and other Chicagoans.....

thought this might interest you.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 16, 2010 2:30 PM EST reply actions  

danke

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 16, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

if you are in Chicago, that place the Beer Bistro is pretty freaking great

plus tonight they have $2 burgers! amazing beer selection ftw

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 16, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

nfl homepage on fespn

powerankings are listed on front page and has pictures of manning, brady, matt ryan….and…..sam bradford!

who woulda thought the rams are actually talked about now

by guillermozeliak on Nov 16, 2010 2:32 PM EST reply actions  

talked about without being ridiculed for once

that’s nice

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Nov 16, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

usually when I'm talked about...I'm ridiculed

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 16, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Your name is Sheckie!

It lends itself to various forms of humor.

by spants on Nov 16, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

see what i mean

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Nov 16, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, but he's the ZX model of Sheckie.

You know like the Ford Escort ZX coupe….

Oh wait…..

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Nov 16, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

ewh, the Pats are ranked #1

wow, the Saints have an easy schedule coming up. looking forward to watching that Giants vs Eagles game, should be interesting.

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 16, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

hopefully the rams

will have a breakout game from sam and get a big win at home…they lose the easy game and now might win the tough game

by guillermozeliak on Nov 17, 2010 12:15 AM EST up reply actions  

NFL

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 12:57 AM EST up reply actions  

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/11/16/nfl-power-rankings-week-11-patriots-eagles-rise-again/

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 12:59 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm sort of scratching my head

should the Chiefs really be ranked ahead of the Bears and the Chargers at this point?

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 17, 2010 12:58 AM EST up reply actions  

So, this is good news.

AD movie should be out this time next year.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 16, 2010 3:09 PM EST reply actions  

That link isn't working for me.

And we’ll see. I would LOVE for that movie to get made, but…

by spants on Nov 16, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

sorry.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 16, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Do you spend alot of time on HollyWoodLife.com?

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 16, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

no, none at all.

Found the link elsewhere.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 16, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Riggggghhhhttt!!!!

in Bill Cosby’s Noah voice

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 16, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm more of a Perez type for my Hollywood gossip.

/it hurt to type that out. Fuck I hate everything about the whole “Hollywood” what are the stars doing crap out there.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 16, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I think most movies suck lately

and a lot of the stars are just annoying, not that much talent

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 16, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Scott Pilgrim against the World

it is awesome.

that is all.

You fit into me
like a hook into an eye

a fish hook
an open eye

by Red Blazer on Nov 16, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Red

Helen Mirren is talent, yo.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 16, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Okay ...

I feel really stupid…

I don’t remember that broad from the movie…

Is she connected or are you just blurting?

You fit into me
like a hook into an eye

a fish hook
an open eye

by Red Blazer on Nov 16, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Dame Helen Mirren?

Forty year acting career? One Oscar, four SAGs, four BAFTAs? Dame Commander of the Order of the British Empire?

(it must be Insult the British Day….)

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 16, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

three, count them, three different British queens

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 16, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

oh wait... wait...

she was never in Harry Potter, so maybe no one knows who she is.

she’s not Dame Judi Dench, though it’s forgivable to confuse the two. Judi Dench has the really short hair.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 16, 2010 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I never watched or read any harry potter

I have problems identifying

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 16, 2010 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

it's a quickie guide to every British actor

except those listed in that article above

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 16, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

cool

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 16, 2010 7:42 PM EST up reply actions  

that said

this is the heyday of cable television serials. good stuff

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 16, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

So's your face

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 16, 2010 3:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed, his face is incredibly tiresome.

Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908

by TomCat009 on Nov 16, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

nice.

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on Nov 17, 2010 1:33 AM EST up reply actions  

wake up!

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 16, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

dip some tagalongs in some coffee and stop bitching

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Nov 16, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Some doofus actually thought Bronson Arroyo was the fifth best pitcher in the NL this year

I guess every postseason award has to have at least one inexplicably stupid ballot.

by BTown Birds fan on Nov 16, 2010 3:41 PM EST reply actions  

that guy is one of the 8 owners of Bronson's album

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 16, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Baseball Reference already has the 2010 NL Cy results incorporated

Wainwright is now 43rd in career Cy shares, just based on the last two years.
Pujols has a decent shot of passing Mays and Williams for 3rd in career MVP shares, right behind Stan the Man.

by BTown Birds fan on Nov 16, 2010 3:50 PM EST reply actions  

look at that,

Chris Carpenter third among active pitchers (behind Johan and Halladay) and 20th overall.

Hmmmm

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Nov 16, 2010 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

GMs are about to say stuff to people who report stuff.

apparently. (I’m not sure I’ve got the outlets right now to find out what.)

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 16, 2010 4:26 PM EST reply actions  

I'm guessing they will speak in generalizations.

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 16, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm actually not following all the twit chitchat

i dearly want to, though. all’s I got is that Prince Fielder is there with agent bees man.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 16, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

speaking of twitter

cj beatty might have located david freese’s second job

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 16, 2010 4:32 PM EST reply actions  

it really is.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 16, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Uggla traded to Braves for

Omar Infante and a lefty reliever.

Wow, that doesn’t seem like much to give up.

by OCCardsFan on Nov 16, 2010 5:36 PM EST reply actions  

F(HOIudszhp;oigzx;ghvi

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Nov 16, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

John Mozeliak

YOU FUCKING FAIL.

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Nov 16, 2010 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

seriously I am sick of your indecisive, misguided shit and I am considering bringing back the Fire John Mozeliak sig

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Nov 16, 2010 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Okay, consideration period over

now the decision is made
See how that works?

Fire John Mozeliak

by purple_haze on Nov 16, 2010 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

no, can you explain it to me.

Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter

by prophetjohn on Nov 16, 2010 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Its very simple.

We could acquire a top of the line second baseman for pennies on a short term deal that would bring back prospect(s) at the end.

We do it. Then its done.

Fire John Mozeliak

by purple_haze on Nov 16, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

and then there's no money for anything else

likely including albert pujols

Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter

by prophetjohn on Nov 16, 2010 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

wrong.

albert’s new deal starts in 2011, when Uggla will be a free agent.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Nov 16, 2010 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

its a one year deal.

negotiate the extension to kick in for 2012.

Fire John Mozeliak

by purple_haze on Nov 16, 2010 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

what if that doesn't cut it?

you’re gonna gamble albert pujols for a year of dan uggla?

Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter

by prophetjohn on Nov 16, 2010 5:52 PM EST up reply actions  

i highly doubt

that whether the structure of Pujols’2012 salary would be an impediment to an extension on either side.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Nov 16, 2010 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

we don't have 10 mil to spend on a second baseman

when we already have close to a third of that committed to that position

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Nov 16, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

WTF!!!

That’s the price for an “in-division” trade?!?! Why on earth did we not contend with that?

Amaury Cazana for RF in 2011 - the legend will never die!

by avs18fan on Nov 16, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

because he will cost $10MM

but don’t let me get in the way of all the irrationality that’s about to spew

Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter

by prophetjohn on Nov 16, 2010 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

And he's also not really a fit for this team... We don't really need another slugger

We need somebody to lead off

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 16, 2010 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

i wouldn't have said no

but the money situation just doesn’t fit with what the cardinals have to work with

Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter

by prophetjohn on Nov 16, 2010 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

heck yeah!

wait

Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter

by prophetjohn on Nov 16, 2010 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

HEY HEY HEY

here’s my new sig:
KILL purple_haze!!

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Nov 16, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

It makes so much sense to trade Carp its ridiculous

we would be almost guaranteed to get back more marginal value than he is worth going forward.

Fire John Mozeliak

by purple_haze on Nov 16, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

he seems a pretty good bet to be at least 4 WAR

where else we gonna get that?

Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter

by prophetjohn on Nov 16, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

no way

he’s on the downside. He played all year this year and didn’t make it to 4. IF he stays healthy, the aging curve is still gonna knock him down.

Fire John Mozeliak

by purple_haze on Nov 16, 2010 5:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Why would anyone want him?

He’s got a serious nerve condition that will end his career if it flares up. The Cardinals are not the only team that know that.

Besides, who slides into the rotation then?

by spants on Nov 16, 2010 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

disagree

Adam is the ace now. not even 1A. Carp had spates of mechanics problems all season long.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 16, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

that said, Carp has to stay to wring out value on his contract.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 16, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

and who is going to fill that giant hole in the rotation?

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Nov 16, 2010 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Carp's a 5 and 10 player

Screw you, you freakin stats nerd

by guayzimi on Nov 16, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I gotta go

I’ll fight this blog later.

Fire John Mozeliak

by purple_haze on Nov 16, 2010 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, I would've been excited about the move, no doubt

But I really think we’re gonna get 20-25 HR from Craig, so I don’t think another slugger brings that much to the table. We need a guy that can get on base at higher than a 35% clip, and the money only gives further reason not to trade for Uggla

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 16, 2010 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Uggla's OBP last year was .369.

Higher than Skip’s OBP ever.

by spants on Nov 16, 2010 5:48 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

20-25 hr from Craig would be amazing

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 16, 2010 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

120 games would be amazing.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 16, 2010 8:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd say he gets about 70 - 80 unless he grabs TLR's attention away from Jay

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 16, 2010 10:14 PM EST up reply actions  

and that's optimistic

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 16, 2010 10:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I gotta say I'm an idiot......

I read Craig, but was thinking of Freese for some reason.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Nov 17, 2010 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

True...

I was just more astonished at the low return.

Amaury Cazana for RF in 2011 - the legend will never die!

by avs18fan on Nov 16, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

???

How is a crappy-fielding 2B with a career 837 OPS (and an 877 OPS in 2010) with one-year left before free agency not a good fit for a team with a crappy-fielding 2B who hit a 667 OPS last season not a good fit?

Granted, we don’t have anyone remotely resembling Omar Infante, if that was indeed central to the deal, but value-wise we have to have been able to beat that deal.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Nov 16, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

dollas yo

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by prophetjohn on Nov 16, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

we don't have anybody who's had one good year and been marginally better than replacement value for the rest of his career?

after 2800 PA’s, infante has amassed a whopping 6.9 WAR.

skip schumaker after 1900 PAs — 3.7 WAR.

brendan ryan after 1300 PAs – 5.0 WAR.

brendan would be an upgrade over infante.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Nov 16, 2010 6:20 PM EST up reply actions  

You forgot to calculate in All-Star appearances!

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 16, 2010 7:00 PM EST up reply actions  

We probably can't take on $10 million for a position..

player no matter what the Marlins were asking. That said, Omar Infante is a crappy return. Better off with the picks.

Screw you, you freakin stats nerd

by guayzimi on Nov 16, 2010 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

That's my thought

I can’t believe they couldn’t have gotten more.

by OCCardsFan on Nov 16, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

to be fair

every other team in baseball is saying the same thing

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 16, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

who's the braves manager now btw?

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Nov 16, 2010 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

freddi gonzalez?

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by prophetjohn on Nov 16, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

before ST we should have a 'who's the manager' quiz

turnover’s crazy around the league

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by Yadi2Second on Nov 16, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

if I knew how to work it, yah. that was my thought.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 16, 2010 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

"all star" omar infante

but yeah, that’s a pretty weak trade. we could’ve gotten uggla for something like that.

by zoomzoomj88 on Nov 16, 2010 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Like -

Uggla for Skippy and Salas/Motte? That woulda been about the same!

by stlfan on Nov 16, 2010 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm lost on whether this is sarcasm or not

Fire John Mozeliak up a nice steak, or stake ( haven't decided)

by mattyfrommo on Nov 16, 2010 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

No.

Infante is a career 90 OPS+ guy who’s 28. Skippy is a career 95 OPS+ guy who’s 30.

Dunn is a 25 year old left-handed reliever with decent “stuff”, Salas and Motte are both mid-to-late 20’s relievers with decent “stuff.”

by stlfan on Nov 16, 2010 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

wow

I’m surprised it happened already and for that return.

by infallibleopiniongenerator on Nov 16, 2010 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 16, 2010 7:44 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, makes me go WAT

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 16, 2010 7:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow, Bill James really hates Colby next year

.261/.343/.468 with only 468 PAs

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Nov 16, 2010 5:38 PM EST reply actions  

I highly doubt...

Jon Jay’s backup is going to amass anything close to 468 PAs… but I could be wrong.

Screw you, you freakin stats nerd

by guayzimi on Nov 16, 2010 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

dayum

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 16, 2010 7:44 PM EST up reply actions  

.811 OPS seems reasonable from a projection system

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by prophetjohn on Nov 16, 2010 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Well done danup

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1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Nov 16, 2010 6:01 PM EST reply actions  

so

how much outrage is there going to be around here when cliff lee inevitably signs with someone else? will there be threatening to burn down busch?

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by prophetjohn on Nov 16, 2010 6:18 PM EST reply actions  

probably not much

No one expects the Cardinals to make a play for him.

And I’m not outraged that we didn’t get the expensive slugging “second baseman”…ultimately I’m a little stunned that the Marlins settled for this return.

by infallibleopiniongenerator on Nov 16, 2010 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I really only expect Lee to sign with the Rangers or Yankees.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 16, 2010 7:01 PM EST up reply actions  

WESTBROOK

Cardinals sign Westbrook to two-year deal with option. #stlcards

PER GOOLD

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 16, 2010 6:19 PM EST reply actions  

Awesome.

Any word on player or club option?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 16, 2010 6:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Mutual option, it looks like

Bueno

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 16, 2010 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

FIRE BURNING

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 16, 2010 6:22 PM EST up reply actions  

in westbrook's sparkling sapphire blue eyes.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Nov 16, 2010 6:22 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

i guess we should wait for the picspam?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 16, 2010 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

he's got brilliant blue eyes

but he’s also a bad ass that will strike motherfuckers out
welcome back to the Cardinals Westy!! yeeey!

"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Nov 16, 2010 6:50 PM EST up reply actions  

FUCK YOU JOHN MOZELIAK

YOU NEVER DO ANYTHING WHAAAAAAA

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by prophetjohn on Nov 16, 2010 6:24 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

mah pappy used to tell me

wish in one hand, shit in the other. see which one fills up faster

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by prophetjohn on Nov 16, 2010 6:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Duh!

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Nov 16, 2010 7:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought so too

but I’m just trying to help, with science.

by infallibleopiniongenerator on Nov 16, 2010 7:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Bill Nye just phoned in.

On behalf of a one Mr. Science, he apologizes for the good sir’s benign oversight, as he meant to advise volume, and not mass.

by clank on Nov 17, 2010 12:09 AM EST up reply actions  

where is the one that we used to get confused with clank?

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on Nov 17, 2010 1:46 AM EST up reply actions  

chalk?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 17, 2010 1:48 AM EST up reply actions  

He came to my school today to give a talk

…he fainted at the end of it

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Nov 17, 2010 1:48 AM EST up reply actions  

really?!

He came to UT, but tickets were gone in half an hour.
What could have scientifically excited him into unconsciousness?

by clank on Nov 17, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

wait

you mean i’ve been shitting in my hand all these years for nothing

the keyboards i’ve went through…

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by prophetjohn on Nov 16, 2010 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

remind me not to shake hands with your dad, if that's the kind of experiment he runs.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Nov 16, 2010 6:45 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

what do we think? new thread in honor of the trade? who says aye?

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Nov 16, 2010 6:23 PM EST reply actions  

IN HONOR OF WESTBROOK

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Nov 16, 2010 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I want to post this link first

didn’t you have a resolution of some sort, tom s.?

http://twitter.com/BJRains/status/4670966655352832

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 16, 2010 6:24 PM EST up reply actions  

it is a wonder of its species.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Nov 16, 2010 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

True.

He never ceases to appall me.

by spants on Nov 16, 2010 6:27 PM EST up reply actions  

oh now it's on.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Nov 16, 2010 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

trade?

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Nov 16, 2010 6:27 PM EST up reply actions  

signing, trade. whatever.

new main post is up.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Nov 16, 2010 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

jumpers

step back
main post / hot stove thread

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by Yadi2Second on Nov 16, 2010 6:42 PM EST reply actions  

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