In which the Robot comes to collect
by azruavatar on Nov 14, 2010 9:26 AM EST
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PrintBefore we get to the good stuff, I want to make a quick endorsement of a Dan Uggla trade. The Marlins acquired two mediocre relievers for Camern Maybin, a past future stud prospect, this week in an exchange with the Padres. It's a coup for the Padres from my view as their ballpark lends itself to mediocre relievers and they've done an excellent job in the past of assembling a bullpen.
The Cardinals have a similar if less compelling degree of surplus with the bullpen. Eduardo Sanchez struck out more than a batter an inning last season between Springfield and Memphis. While I expect the Cardinals to keep him in AAA to begin 2011, there's no reason he can't be eased into a bullpen role during March and April. There's not a player from the 2010 St. Louis bullpen that I wouldn't trade at a moment's notice. They're all flawed in some fashion and relievers are intrinsically replaceable in a way that other positions aren't.
To sweeten the pot, I'd poach from a couple other minor league positions. The Marlins could have their pick of any pitcher not named Shelby Miller or Lance Lynn. As much as I'm not a fan of Lynn, it's wise to preserve that 2011 depth. So if the Marlins like PJ Walters, Brandon Dickson, David Kopp, Scott Schneider, Joe Kelly, etc. they can have them. There's no one outside of Miller who has made themselves untouchable.
The last area is catcher where, at least the Cardinals' organization feels like, there is some depth. Bryan Anderson, Steve Hill and Tony Cruz have all managed to stick at catcher as they've moved up the ranks. None of them are great (or even good defenders) but their offensive is well above average relative to their positional peers thus far.
Dan Uggla makes a ton of sense for the Cardinals. He's a cost controlled player, if expensive, and we're under no long term obligation. Uggla's defense relative to Schumaker is only marginally worse at second base and his bat is significantly better. Over the course of a full 2011 season, Uggla is a 2-2.5 win upgrade over Skip Schumaker. He'd make sense in either the two or five spot of the lineup and the Cardinals could recoup some value in draft picks in 2012.
So any Cardinal reliever + minor league pitcher + minor league catcher for one year of Dan Uggla at full cost. I'm sure you'd have to tweak the deal in places. Maybe they want an outfielder as well or Skip Schumaker himself. The point is that this is almost certainly the most significant upgrade (outside of Jake Westbrook) that the Cardinals can make this offseason at a single position. I've long coveted Dan Uggla -- maybe now we'll finally get to see a proficient second baseman.
There's a myriad of reasons to expect this won't happen though. Skip is TLR approved and one of "his guys" who are always more tenuous to deal than those players that aren't. The Marlins are a very scouting heavy team so their opinion of the Cardinals minor leaguers would play a very significant role. And it's hard to discount the fact that the Cardinals would be paying 5 times what they originally planned at second base and well beyond what they're supposed cap is for that position. That's a significant amount of payroll to take on.
Those caveats stated, this is still the deal I'd like to see go down this offseason though.
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Now, I'm coming to collect on bets. This is the first time since avatars were added to SBN that my picture will not be a Bender picture.
Bet #1: The Robot Loses - splhcb67 wins
Rasmus OPS was .859 for the season up over 140 points compared to 2009. Not even I could make that kind of a heart based bet. Because I'm HEARTLESS. MWAHAHAHAHA! I will now suffer through a week of confusion as I can't identify my own posts.
Bet #2: The Robot Wins - guayzimi loses
It's still unclear to me who the picture is of but guayzimi's avatar should be changed from taser kid to dead mother shortly. All I recall of that picture was that danup recognized it right away. Which means danup is either uncomfortably familiar with guayzimi's dead mother OR it's a dead actress that danup is familiar with -- which may or may not also be uncomfortable depending on how much you like the TCM channel. There was no agreement on duration of avatar so I'll leave that at guayzimi's discretion.
Bet #3: The Robot Wins - chazerize loses
The Cardinals took two of three from the Reds to start the year on April 5th and 7th. They'd drop the third game of the series on the 8th. Chazerize's signature is now required to be "Colby Rasmus > Jay Bruce". We'll call it for three weeks since I made no mid-season collection on this bet. Chazerize, please emerge in the comments from the darkness of the silent majority with your new signature.
Bet #4: The Robot Wins - fourstick loses
Ryan Ludwick had a very good first half of the year, though it's hard to remember after the trade and his collapse in PETCO. He OPS'd .822 in the first half which means that I get to pick fourstick's avatar. I've thought hard about this. It's important to me to have something both meaningful and recognizable. I pondered a Care Bear. I've thought about a unicorn and a pegacorn. Both recognizable, neither pertinent. I've thought of just having the number 4 out there. Not terrible interesting though very recognizable. So, I found this humorous thus I unveil fourstick's new avatar:
Ha! I'm going to chuckle everytime I see this. Do you get it? Fourstick(men)? HA! Genius. Thus I have collected on my bets. We'll need more next year and I may have to get a little riskier since I feel like I left some avatars on the table. Don't worry though, "I'll be Bach."
(Sad but true story before I actually go. When I was in grade school, I actually had a sweatshirt with the "I'll be Back" quote on it and a picture of Bach on the back. Seriously. I can't believe I didn't get beat up in grade school.)
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VEB might take a turn and
vote for this one. there’s 4.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
if we're playing it straight
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
there are a lot of auction/selling pictures for sticks of computer memory thingies
but those look boring in avatar form.
however, I predict the frontrunner will emerge from the google image search “four unicorns apocalypse”.
third picture here ought to translate well into avatar form.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
question of the hour
will they actually call up a backup catcher and deploy him on a regular basis? or is there really a bicameral junta of Yadi and the pitchers
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Adjusted for the insanely good pitching of 2010 Pujols hit his mark..
but that’s neither here no there…
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
I'm guessing Pujols was worth more by WAR than the entire rest of the infield and Yadi
combined last year. Makes you think twice about being open to trading him, huh? Also makes you want way more production out of those positions. Uggla fits the bill and I hope we make a play for him. Not holding my breath though, he is expensive. But taking the long view over the next 5 or 6 years, with the obvious proviso that we don’t know what the future holds, this looks like the best year to make a run at the WS, no?
might as well drum up some false excitement/disappointment
to celebrate the arrival of hot stove season. Via twitter:
“Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal
New Uggla story coming soon on FOXSports.com. #Marlins plan to trade him. #Nationals, #Tigers, #Braves, #BlueJays among clubs involved. #MLB”
very disheartening
to read jmo’s comments in the pd this morning. the idea that we should trade boog and retain skip as the first choice to upgrade the infield seems very short sighted and more tlr short term thinking. we wrote off ak for 4 mil because he and tlr didn’t get along, but we saw in wash. that he was not really totally washed up. so we owe skip 2.7M (nice one jmo), so we will get rid of a potential gg shortstop who has no heir apparent anywhere in the farm system so we can keep skip? i like skip as a player, but he is really grit-2 in performance and his situation should not force boog out. if boog flops at the plate this year, ok, but he deserves and the team deserves to find out—besides what is he worth? even tg is likely to be worth the same or more on the trade market, and maybe even be an upgrade at second next year, if given the chance.
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
Agreed
Some rough comments from Mo. Nobody likes Schu as much as I do but he’s not a starting second baseman on any other major league team so why our team? Ryan provides insane value defensively and will have a comeback year offensively
they set Skip up for failure by moving him to the infield
i wonder is anyone else would want him as an outfielder
he sure ain’t worth 2.7 mil though
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
...
The Gold Glove should be so lucky as to win Boog.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 14, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
btw, my theory that TLR wishes to take all players and turn them into himself
still going strong.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 14, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
animal loving, over thinking, sucking player loving, don't know when to leave, egomaniacs?
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
i defend skippy a lot
but boog’s defense, for a largely unknown SS (outside of STL), is phenomenal. he just had a bad year and now they’re talking of replacing him? i’d rather see skippy replaced than boog.
i wonder how much influence TLR has on this. something tells me this isn’t just mo thinking this.
by zoomzoomj88 on Nov 14, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
Well, DID he just have a bad year at the plate?
Or did the pitchers figure him out?
I would really like to know what Boog’s real potential as a hitter is for the future. If 2009 is his upside, keeping him is a no-brainer, and you have to wonder what Mo is smoking to think that upgrading at SS is more urgent than at 2B. However, he almost certainly was playing well over his head that year. If the upside is half way between 2009 and 2010, I’d still rather keep him than Skippy. However, it is credible that after exposure to the league’s pitchers for a couple of years, he doesn’t have an upside any more.
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He's normally a nuclear physicist
Except when writing for this list.
by StanTheManFan on Nov 14, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
.253 Babip in 2010, nearly
.080 points lower than 2009. Clearly it’s not just a matter of pitchers figuring him out — he really did get unlucky. Now, his 2009 Babip was probably a little lucky looking at his career numbers, so you’re prediction that his real offensive ability is probably somewhere between 2009 and 2010 is probably right.
Hitters have more control over BABIP than pitchers do.
It’s not pure luck. The BP guys ran some stuff about that a couple of years ago IIRC.
And pitchers figuring a hitter out, with the result that the upside is never achieved (and, functionally, is no longer there), is not “unfounded BS.” Happens all the time, and a well-known Cardinals example was Willie McGee. Why anybody ever threw him a fast ball after mid-1982, I’ll never understand; his vulnerability to breaking stuff was already getting exposed by then. It would be very interesting to go back and see whether his monster 1985 coincided with an inexplicable diet of fast balls; there are reasons to believe it did (reason #1 being Vince Coleman batting in front of him).
EVERY hitter, even AP, has things that a good pitcher can exploit. If they are severe enough, and obvious enough, and hard enough for the hitter to adjust to remedy, the hitter’s potential goes away as soon as the word gets out. AP’s vulnerabilities are minuscule, and he’s one step ahead of most pitchers in fixing them. Boog’s may not be. Time will tell, but it is not obvious to me that he’ll ever do anything like 2009 again.
StanTheManFan
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He's normally a nuclear physicist
Except when writing for this list.
by StanTheManFan on Nov 14, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
And it logically makes sense, too
Even if all balls in play are identical,a nd a hitter has no control over LB, FB and GB rates, there still is a huge variance in how quickly a runner gets from home to first. And certainly, the player’s skill governs THAT.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
Single season BABIP for hitters is likely >90% luck
by vivaelpujols on Nov 14, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
but some players do consistently hit the ball harder than others
grit’s is wee willie keeler kind of luck
ap is hit it hard kind of luck
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
What the hell did this just say
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Oh nevermind.
AP actually has only an average BABIP because of his fly ball tendencies
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
his career BABIP is ~20 points above average
by vivaelpujols on Nov 14, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
Come on, you know better than this
There’s been a distinct shift in his batted ball profile in the last two years
Likewise, his BABIP has fallen the last two years to basically exactly average
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
...According to FanGraphs
Statcorner’s batted ball data tells a different story:
http://statcorner.com/batter.php?id=405395
The only thing we know about Pujols is that he has hit fewer groundballs the past two years – we don’t know anything about how his LD/FB ratio has changed.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 14, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
Do you know their collection method, by any chance?
And I think we watch enough Cardinals games here to use the eye test, and Pujols, in my eyes, is clearly hitting a lot more fly balls
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Statcorner uses Gameday, FanGraphs use BIS
Neither have been shown to be more accurate than the other.
There is no way you can remember how many fly balls Pujols hit in 2008, the human mind doesn’t work like that.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 14, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
That's a baseless assumption (which might turn out to be right, but you're clearly just making shit up)
And the human mind DOES work relatively. From 2008 to 2009, I noticed that he was hitting fewer line drives and more fly balls than usual, and that he no longer abided by the “I’m not a home run hitter, I’m a line drive hitter with power.” mantra he used to
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
by mysterui on Nov 14, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
and hit the ball the opposite way much less
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
we willie keeler is a "hit'em where they aint"
aka miles
apu is hit it hard kind of babip
very different
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
...
Or did the pitchers figure him out?
What the hell does this mean? Why is his upside halfway between his 2009 and 2010, wouldn’t that be his median projection?
However, it is credible that after exposure to the league’s pitchers for a couple of years, he doesn’t have an upside any more.
Unfounded BS. You could say the same thing about any player.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 14, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
I'm a pretty big Skip fan.
So is my girlfriend…sigh…
But I’d rather have a big hole in the lineup than a big hole in the MIF AND a hole in the lineup. The way our lineup will probably be constructed defense/baserunning will be keys to future success. Skip doesn’t really do either of those well.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
you wonder what TLR's influence is?!?
really?
Mo won’t trade Skip because he is backed by TLR and his coaches, Boog isn’t so Boog is out the door. are you still wondering?
and Strauss (fuck you) says that Mo’s been an “an ardent Ryan supporter” but apparently he would rather side with TLR that believe in his own judgment
someone needs to remind Mo who the GM is, cause he doesn’t seem to know
are you guys ready for three more years of this bullshit?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
by d-dee on Nov 14, 2010 11:46 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Our MIF needs improvement.
Whether it’s Boog or Skip, something needs to get better. It just seems to me that replacing Skip as the main the 2B would be a bigger improvement. Also though, Skip does cost us $2.7mil, relegating him to supersub might not be Mo’s idea of a nice use of that money.
I REALLY want Dan Uggla. Although my opinion of him is also greatly biased by a few personal interactions that I had with him 7-8 years ago.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Boog is likely a league average player going forward, making nothing
We don’t really need to replace him. Who else are we going to get that’s better/cheaper than that?
Skip, on the other hand, is significantly worse than Boog, and is more expensive. REPLACE SKIP FUCK YOU TONY.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 14, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
Well Mo wants to upgrade at SS
He’s obviously going after Jeter. Thank god! At least we’ll get Gold Glove-caliber defense at SS…
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
by SheckieZx on Nov 14, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
i'm going to rec this post oozing irony
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
I agree with this...
It just seems to me that replacing Skip as the main the 2B would be a bigger improvement.
Boog is a very slick fielder. Skip can’t really field anywhere other than OF corners, and as it turns out this team is probably fine there. Skip is also an average at best hitter who is BA (and therefore BABIP) dependent.
So… ditching Skippy would probably be the better move.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Nov 14, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
wonder what promises were made to tlr to insure his return?
hopefully none, but you gotta wonder
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
Yeah, I'm starting to get very impatient with MO
I feel like, in the next year or two, one of the following needs to happen:
1. Let TLR ride off into the sunset. Get a manager who won’t make so many demands on the construction of the roster.
2. Find a new GM who somehow is able to put TLR in his place (that is, in charge of managing the team, not constructing it)
3. Up the payroll significantly, and employ more good vets so Tony stops having excuses to play crappy ones.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
jmo is trapped between bdw and tlr,
in authority, which i suspect comes from his being their junior and being in a subordinate position for so many years
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
Yeah, I really need to include DeWitt in my rants more often
I kinda forget about him. I don’t mean in the “OPIN DA WALLIT!!1” kinda way, but he is obviously the boss.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Exactly
I think, though, part of it is that Tony, et al (including Mo, to some extent) don’t want to admit that they made a mistake in signing Skip to a 2 yr/$4.7M extension when they didn’t have to. If they get another 2B and either trade (unlikely) or demote Skip to utility, they are basically admitting that they messed up. I think its almost as much about saving face as it is that they think Skip actually helps the team more (which is a terrible way to run a baseball team).
by ArkansasTravs on Nov 14, 2010 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
i wonder how much influence TLR has on this. something tells me this isn’t just mo thinking this.
Tony La Russa On The ITD Morning After: “If There’s Somebody Better, Then Brendan’s Job Is at Risk” – 11/10/2010 (Mo’s statements on the subject were posted today, 11/14/2010)
So is there somebody that’s better than Skip at second base? Well, we’ll see. But I think Skip is a very competitive guy and we won with him. Brendan was a different case, I mean Brendan really came backwards, mostly because he’s so emotional and that’s something over the last couple of years before you know he was growing up and doing better about controlling those emotions and was more consistent, last year you know, when he struggled at the plate like Skip did early you know Skip, he refused to, he bent a little bit you know, but he didn’t break, and I think it broke Brendan quite a few times you know he just let those at bats drive him nuts and he’d take it out defensively so again, if there’s somebody better then Brendan’s jobs at risk.
I had concerns that this might turn into a front office action item when I read it :’(
Oh, of course
Obviously the problem is that Brendan Ryan is not a competitive guy. And we didn’t win with him, whereas we totally won with Skip. And Skip did not come backwards in 2010 at all, no sir.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Nov 14, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
holy run-on sentence, tony
But yeah. if someone better than B-R comes along, his job is at risk- isn’t that the essence of major league baseball?
I hope the same is true for the other 24 guys on the team, as well.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
that's not the point
the point is the same should be true for skip too
but obviously we’re playing favorites here
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
I mean it’s the same for you know, you can’t say about the part of your catching, first base, or left field but…you know center field…but you there’s not many other places that that isn’t true.
My best guess is, “Everybody’s job is on the line. And by ‘everybody,’ I specifically mean Brendan Ryan. Maybe Colby Rasmus? But not Pujols, Yadi, or Holliday. So yeah, everybody.”
Reminds me of the competitions we have in Spring Training :-)
really all this means is
“I can’t and don’t want to deal with the ADHD kid, he’s too much. I will crush his spirit not because I believe in tough love but because I’m an ass if I don’t like you. Mo said he wants bats in the middle infield so i told him not to touch Skip because he’s my buddy and I want Brendan gone anyway”
I’d much rather rather believe this is the case.
because if it isn’t, that only means our FO and manager and coaches find more value in a Skip Schumaker than in a Brendan Ryan – and that is just infuriating when you realize the amount of stupidity needed to arrive to this conclusion
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
I think it is more reasonable to blame Mo for Mo's bad roster moves
than to blame TLR for Mo’s bad roster moves.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
really?
you think Mo came up with Miles on his own? no nudge from anyone?
and he totally forgot we have a whole team in memphis?
think again
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
Mo signed Mile, Supp, and McSkinny. Then he traded for Feliz.
sure TLR may have nudged him. But it’s Mo’s job to say “Hmmm… Tony wants Miles, but Miles is terrible. I’m not going to put him on this team”
No matter what the influence/power structure is in the organization (I doubt many of VEB know the true dynamic), Mo is the GM.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
that's the objective role of a GM
but who says that’s how it’s designed to work within the Cardinals’ organization? Mo is just like anyone else – trying to keep his job. I’d have to assume he’s just following protocol.
unless he's only GM in name
and is tlr’s bitch in function and design
by YesWeOquendo on Nov 14, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
then was it also a TLR mandate to start the focus on the farm system?
TLR’s idea to make Colby basically untouchable as he moved through our minors?
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Why would Tony care about the farm system?
by vivaelpujols on Nov 14, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
Well if Mo is GM only in name...and just TLR's bitch
then wouldn’t TLR be making the decisions of the GM?
I know I’m the minority here, but blaming TLR for (almost) every bad roster move seems irrational. None (maybe some) on VEB know the power dynamic of our front office. Outside of speculation, Mo is our GM.
I blame Tony for the weird lineups, the facepalmable double switches, PLAYING Stav/Miles/Winn, batting Feliz 5th, etc… But I’m going to continue to blame the GM for the decisions of the GM, even, the seemingly TLR-inspired crap piles.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
by SheckieZx on Nov 14, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm getting to the point where I'm not sure who to blame for roster moves anymore.
Obviously, Mo’s the one who signs the forms to actually make the moves, so ultimately the decision lies with him.
TLR technically has no roster construction authority, and thus can’t directly bring anyone on to the team. What he can do, however, is piss and moan to god and anyone who’ll listen (Strauss) and grind his axe publicly enough to make Mo want crawl under his desk and die.
I think, ultimately, that only a DeWitt-level resolution is going to ever change anything. Unfortunately, BDW seems to think TLR is the second coming of Connie Mack and is therefore deserving of “as long as he wants to be here” status.
I’m no old-school gripemonger wishing for the days of Whitey cooking up trades over Budweiser and liverwurst sandwiches with Gussie Busch, but, damn, TLR seems to have gotten especially crochety over the last few seasons.
Or, maybe I’m just noticing it more these last few years because we haven’t won a playoff game since 2006.
Tony has influence on the moves that he wants to have influence over
That includes roster construction, but not minor league promotions because Tony doesn’t give a crap about minor league players or teams.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 14, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
oh...ok
so what is Mo’s job then?
Assistant GM to Tony? Figurehead? Puppet?
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Mo's job is GM
Who has less control over roster moves due to the facts that A) he is young and inexperienced, B) the manager is an alltime great or whatever, C) the owner loves said manager, and D) the manager has a huge ego and openly plays favorites.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 14, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
sums it up nicely
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
D) is probably the biggest reason I believe TLR needs to go.
this year, there seemed to be a disconnect between manager & players. I don’t know the clubhouse dynamic, but many of the Cardinals players seem to genuinely like each other, and players don’t like other players being “thrown under the bus”, especially by managers. TLR has done this more and more often in recent years.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
here's the thing
the manager should
- be able to squeeze a winning record out of the NL Central (the National League Central, fo’ real), or even a wild card given the reds’ hot hand.
- put every player in a position to succeed. not just aaron miles.
- identify and fix problems, including when they originate from himself.
fail
fail
fail
instead, we go into every off-season with the question being “are the guys in the clubhouse still listening to Tony La Russa’s message.” that’s a gigantic pile of bullshit. the first question should be whether the message HELPS THE TEAM WIN. screw the rest of it. is the manager doing his job, it doesn’t get simpler than that. and really, the easiest way to separate Mo from that question (not the overall question of dysfunction, but just that) is to ask:
could that roster have won the NL Central?
because if that was possible, then logically it’s not the GM who’s culpable for what the manager is supposed to do. I’m sure Mo is culpable for something, but not for Tony’s performance.
the man stew has gone on for quite a while, and as much as i gather information about it, and it can affect individual players — as long as Albert doesn’t build a throne in middle of the clubhouse, it’s a non-issue in terms of the team.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I agree with what your saying.
I THINK our roster could’ve won the NL Central this year. But with injuries, underperformance, luck etc… we were not as good as Cincy. Both TLR and the FO failed to effectively handle problems this year.
I’m sure Mo is culpable for something, but not for Tony’s performance.
This is true. And TLR is not culpable for Mo’s performance.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
But he kinda is because he influences Mo's performance so much
by vivaelpujols on Nov 14, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
you don't know how much he affects Mo's performance
outside of speculation and anecdotal examples
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
the correlation is strong.
i mean, the preponderance of evidence (and it’s safe to say we’re out of small sample size territory) sticks out. we don’t know the extent of it, but put it through a null hypothesis — what’s the percentage of moves Mo’s made that did not correspond to something TLR said? it’s gotten to be very small.
if it shits like a bear, it’s a bear.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
granted, normally I would give it a couple of more years
because we’re approaching turnover years in the minors, and with free agents and such in the majors.
except part of that turnover is Albert Pujols, so I don’t think we can just sit here and ignore all the smoke. or the shit.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
but who knows that Mo and TLR don't just often agree on evaluations of players?
As an example, I know Miles said that Tony was “instrumental” in getting him signed. But that doesn’t mean that Mo fought signing him.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
because Mo will often say things that philosophically belie TLR's picks for players.
basically: Mo says A, TLR wants B, and B happens.
the swiftness with which B happens is also a factor.
the problem with it is, if you look at the individual examples, there is a lot of plausible deniability. then you have to remember that lawyers love plausible deniability. it’s the pattern where it starts to show through.
and this isn’t just some Thing myself and others are desperately clinging to. if Mo starts upping that percentage, and makes deals that have his decision-making stamped all over it, then our theory is disproven. but I’m not sure we should wait around for more evidence.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
there'll be ribs
maybe even from Pappy’s
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
indeed. it does go both ways.
but it’s silly of the organization to set in motion the machinery to re-up a manager (say that 3x fast) days after getting crushed out of the playoffs (how many September swoons is that, now??), complete with said manager’s road-trip vision quest across America.
they should have set in motion the evaluation of said manager. no one has seen any serious moves in this direction, which is mighty odd for guy who’s on a “one-year contract.”
there are kids in St. Louis having their bar/bat mitzvahs who have never seen an MLB manager evaluation.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I am in no way defending TLR as a manager.
I have been just as frustrated with him the past few years as anyone. The seeming set up that “Tony can come back as long as he wants to…” is probably detrimental to overall success.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
we lie like a welcome mat, and we're gonna be stomped on like a welcome mat
at this point, I think St. Louis fans really do need to get off their baseball-loving butts, and demand a better evaluation. the economy is not the greatest in Cardinal Nation, and yet we’re supporting a mid-market team like it’s big market.
or at least, most of the Midwest is. I’ve heard Arkansas is turning to the Rangers.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
or the Royals
the presence of their AA team in northwest Arkansas is gaining them a following. KC is the closest MLB city from that part of the state which is fast becoming the second largest population center in the state.
by ArkansasTravs on Nov 14, 2010 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
i've been the one with the give tlr the benefit of the doubt banner for quite some time
recently though, all the stuff that’s been going on, what’s been said and, most of all, the reasoning behind it out of his mouth… it’s infuriating
to me, it seems like there is a power struggle going on, and the roster is caught in the middle. the power struggle, however, is more like trl wants to be the overlord
i also want to hang some of the blame on the local media – strauss in particular, for constantly blowing things out of proportion and taking everything out of context to the point where he creates a problem between FO+manager and players and FO+manager and the fans and even between players – this is counterproductive and we’ll never win shit this way
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
some of things that TLR says...
his public criticism of some players, the favoritism he shows to some players, his public disputes with players. Have become unacceptable. I’m no big TLR fan.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
I understand the people
don’t like Strauss’ reporting/writing/inflaming, but I think it’s a bit overboard to blame him for any problems in the Cards’ organization.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Nov 14, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
well, apparently he's capable of pissing off albert
on numerous occasions
making colby look like an ass
etc etc
you repeat sth often enough, it gets under ppl’s skin
a parasite like that can get really annoying to the point where all the repetition causes people to start believing what you say
he needs his press credentials revoked
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
because it's his inflated insinuation that FESPN picks up on.
when they can’t get the footage themselves from down the tunnel. it’s a monopoly on local media that’s not … sane. he may not start it, but he makes several situations worse. Colby, case in point.
thankfully, there is always something worse. like if FESPN starts picking up on BJ Rains.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Chris Duncan anyone?
Mo isn’t TLR’s bitch. And he is responsible for roster construction.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
by Evilfrog on Nov 14, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
you don't know that tlr
didn’t want to see chris move on
i would not put it past him to support dd publicly, but not privately
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
i though that as well
the only counter i have is that i can think of no other move to go against the tlr grain (aside from small things like sydney ponson) and i can think of no other move which tlr has complained about more.
really, i don’t think he’s ever been so vocally against any roster move like the lil’ dunc move. and it wasn’t even that big of a deal, as he was fucking terrible.
if anything, what happened afterwards says that mo, is in fact, a bitch, because he got rid of a terrible player, picked up a terrific player, and was uniformly bitched out because of it
by YesWeOquendo on Nov 14, 2010 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
lugo is a terrific player?
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i ment holliday
though lugo wasn’t bad for us (relative to lil’ dunc)
even after we acquired hollidaisy, tlr was simmering about moving chris
by YesWeOquendo on Nov 14, 2010 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
that still doesn't mean MO hasn't been a huge, maybe even an epic disappointment
he was supposed to keep TRL in line & so far he has not
he was supposed to end the picking up shitty old players instead of playing the kids who are much better, cheaper or both
he was supposed to end the in fighting in the FO & so far he has not
he was supposed to make wise FA signings & good resignings & so far he as not
he was supposed to make good trades & so far he has not
in fact, MO’s been nothing but a huge disappointment as GM. he’s done almost nothing he was advertised or promised he would do & in fact done some of the worst things a GM can do. like i said during the season, it’s like he’s taken all the bad qualities Walt had & he’s thrown gas on them & is now running the wrong damn way with scissors in one hand & C4 in the other.
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
by gdm426 on Nov 14, 2010 8:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i'm not arguing that he isn't
I’m just saying you can’t pass blame, for the roster, from Mo to Tony.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
i think both share the blame along with DeWitt
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
The FA thing is a bit unfair
adding Penny, Holiday, and Lopez were all good FA signings, His trades including the Khalil, and Derosa were good decisions, that only retrospectively didn’t end up looking so great.
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
I miss Luke Gregorson and Chris Perez =(
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Perez had a 4.3 xFIP, 3.7 tERA, and 3.5 FIP against a 1.7 ERA and an 86% LOB. The numbers say that he is cruising for a relative bruising. What Gregerson has turned into makes me want to puke, though.
Middle relief is a dime a dozen though
the Rockies got a 2.9 FIP year out of Matt freaking Belisle
if Khalil had been anywhere near his 06-07 form it was well worth the trade
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
how in the world can you say Fat Beaker & Floppy were good?
Beaker had what? 9 starts? he made $7.5Mil for 9 days of work? how is that good?
Floppy was unproductive, then hurt, then overexposed & a so much of a problem in the clubhouse he was released. how was he good?
DeRo was a epic fail. he gave up way waaaay to much to begin with. then he got hurt, which yes isn’t MO’s fault, but the fact still remains that was a lost deal.
and KBot was just bad. i blame the Fathers more than anyone for that one. the knew there was something wrong with him & kept a lid on it.
i’ll give you Holiday. dude proved me wrong, i never thought at the end of June he’d have the numbers he ended up with.
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
duuuuuuuuuuuuude
it’s all about, like, perspective and stuff (pass that…..)
you can’t judge other by results and what not cough cough
it’s like, unfair to call people out in hindsight….
who wants to make a jack in the box run?
by YesWeOquendo on Nov 15, 2010 2:11 AM EST up reply actions
I got 5 bucks
If you can chip in 3 we can get 16 tacos.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 15, 2010 2:15 AM EST up reply actions
i would kill for some JIB or Hardee's
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
they were still good signings when they went down
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How awesome was that?!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
but if results are all that matters, they can't be considered good
right?
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
thats like saying 2001 116 win mariners had a bad year
by YesWeOquendo on Nov 15, 2010 2:20 AM EST up reply actions
no it's not, not at all
the Cards were swept out of the playoffs last year & didn’t even make them this year. at least Seattle made it to the ALCS. if MO makes better choices who knows how far the Cardinals could have gone. isn’t that what we’re discussing?
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
derosa was bad process, and in result
he never had the upside to justify what we paid, even if it all worked out.
floppy and beaker were good principle, mixed in result.
I disagree that the padres kept the “khalil is insane” thing a secret. We knew that when we signed him- we just thought a change in scenery would fix it, and it didn’t. That was a shame. bad process, on extenuating circumstances, bad result.
Holliday worked out alright, although TLR cost us at least a win by batting him 4th instead of 2nd all year.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
wasn't it reported after he left the Rangers in the spring
the Padres knew it was worse then they let on? it’s kind of a moo point now, but you’re right, it was bad no matter what. dude needs help.
TLR will never bat Holiday 2nd, unless it’s for like 3 games & works then he’ll go back to hitting him 4th
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
At least nothing was really lost for Floppy?
Though releasing him 2 weeks before the season was out was downright idiotic
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
my hate for the guy does not believe that
it was money flushed down the toilet
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
the Lopez release is a pretty good example
of something that is so difficult to call idiotic because it was all about clubhouse stuff…
Seems like he was both lackadaisical about being on time and unable to be productive and TLR or MO or both decided a statement was worth being made.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Nov 15, 2010 2:21 AM EST up reply actions
soooo you don't appreciate
his face?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 14, 2010 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
it seems more and more that tlr is about consistancy, not veteran grittyness
it would explain why he tried to change rasmus, brought back soup, stuck with ankiel, miguel tejada
i wounder if “tony’s guys” is a misdiagnosis by us, and he just like people who consistantly produce the same way
by YesWeOquendo on Nov 14, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
well, boog consistently hit like shit all season
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
i agree he values consistency
but, he values it too much
he’d rather have a known outcome type guy (miles) than someone with more potential (tg)
basically, he’s a low beta investor
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
I might have to stop being a Cardinals fan until LaRussa is gone
Not really, but my distaste for him is turning to extreme dislike. What kind of manager so routinely and PUBLICLY throws his own players under the bus. We saw the same thing when he was contrasting Colby to Freese (it was Freese, right?)
ah right,
that makes even more sense. I mean, Jay “wanted it” so much more than Colby. If Colby was a “winner” he’d have a .380 Babip for most of his season too.
And Jon Jay can hit the other way
If Colby wants to stay, that’s how he ought to play.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
fuck you tony fuck you tony fuck you tony
by vivaelpujols on Nov 14, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
guideline three
tone down the swearing-at-tony. I don’t like what he’s saying either but this isn’t talk radio.
by DanUpBaby on Nov 14, 2010 3:00 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
This is a disaster
We need to fucking get the ball rolling on the Rally to Restore Ryan. Goddamnit, if no one else is gonna save this team from ignorance, we have to try.
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
can't decide if i should name my first born brendan, wood, boog, or ryan
gender is of no consequence
by YesWeOquendo on Nov 14, 2010 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
Brenda?
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
by purple_haze on Nov 14, 2010 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
The Front Office
I am not sure if we can take what Moz says as gospel. Unfortunately we as fans know all to well that this management team likes to play a disimformation game. At a minimum I was hoping Tgreene would get a chance to play second and have Skid used as a utility man. Boog deserves another year at SS. So lets sign Westbrook, find 2Ber, shore up the bench and be done with it.
westbrook not worth the $
move kmac in and won’t see too much difference
westy isn’t a sub 4 era kind of guy, so unless we get the offense up, he won’t add much in terms of wins
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
how well he has done in st the past several years
as a starter and dd’s continuing optimism that he has what it takes to do that, as he did in the minors before his injury
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
while I strongly prefer Boog
he’s certainly got more trade value than Skip.
can't they give him half a season
and if they’re still not convinced, trade him at the trade deadline or sth
is that too much to ask?
maybe it’s time for Carp to take Mo to the tunnel..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
at this point, I don't trust them to get fair trade value for any starter.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 14, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
granted, I don't think this year is the market in which to trade starters.
we’re hamstrung basically because Skip has nil value to anyone but us. if Skip had only had a decent season, he’d be more shop-able.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 14, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
stl cardinals survival guide
1. get tlr to like you
2. have a shitty season
3. profit
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
by d-dee on Nov 14, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Rec and rec and rec
Well, I can only rec once, but I rec’ed enthusiastically!
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Has anyone looked at Boog's first couple of years offense vs. Oz's? When Oz first came for Templeton, the mantra was the fantastic D compensated for the drop off in offense.
Does Boog not merit a wee bit of that kind of sympathy? I think Oz’ first few years featured very little in the way of offense.
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
SBN needs to stop running stupid scripts that interrupt my other tabs
the only other unresponsive scripts I run into are flash war games. wtf are they doing back there…
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
At work they've blocked Firefox and Chrome browsers so I'm forced to use IE
and VEB brings it to a horrible crashing halt on a regular basis. SBN scripts are not broswer friendly.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
blame codyg and the gifs
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
aren't you some sort of web/software developer or something?
what kind of employer in that field would do that
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by prophetjohn on Nov 14, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
ahaha, nice
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
That would at least explain why he'd be forced to use IE.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Nope
Energy industry. And our IT department is terrible. It’s like I timewarp back a decade every day when I go into work. It’s awful. We have so many legacy systems strung together it’s terrible. . .
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
I had the same issue,
but I was able to run FF portable and no one the wiser because there is no install. They also have Chrome and Opera.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I need to try this but what's crazy to me is that I have Firefox on my computer
but I can’t browse with it. It’s like they’re blocking non-IE browser access specifically but I wasn’t certain that was possible.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
that is bizarre.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
It's really strange too
They’ve peeled off Chrome as well but it took them a while. It’s been a while since I did any computer networking but I don’t recall the packets identifying the browser at all. I thought it just went out on 80 and in on 80 and then whatever app was hooked to port 80 interpreted the packets.
Anyway, apparently the one decent IT guy they have is devoted to making my work experience less enjoyable rather than making me more productive by improving the software I’m forced to use.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
It's something that's external to the browser
since it affects both chrome and firefox.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
just check the proxy settings in IE
and make sure they’re setup in firefox also. it’s the same way at my work. firefox doesn’t work out of the box, but if you configure the proxy settings, it works
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All right
help me out a bit. How do I get the proxy server for IE default settings. some kind of nslookup to the outside world and the first server I hit is the proxy server?
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
tools > internet option > connections > lan settings
you’ll either have a specific proxy or an auto config script. just copy your settings over to firefox
though chrome uses the same internet options as IE, so in theory, if IE works, chrome would work if that’s your problem
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in firefox,
it’s tools > options > advanced > network > settings
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I'll give this a try tomorrow. I'm desperate for firefox to work again.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
I think that TLR and ARF are to blame
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
So...
…if it would potentially take Boggs, Hill, and Dickson (or something similar) to get one year of Dan Uggla, I would be willing to do that. None of those guys are irreplaceable. In this scenario the team could live with Boog’s meh-at-best offense and watch him play a wildly awesome SS, then hope that Uggla isn’t a total butcher at second while he’s hitting 30ish bombs. I could see that being a good stopgap plan.
Sadly the organization will probably operate under the delusion that Skippy is “solid” at second, which always simply means unspectacular and immobile, and is a darn fine bat too b/c of that snappy batting average. They’ll probably keep him and try to move Boog, who is an awesome SS, to some kind of super utility type deal. Or dump him and keep Aaron F’in Miles. I’d probably facepalm myself into a concussion.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Nov 14, 2010 12:38 PM EST reply actions
Boggs is our insurance policy against Motte flaming out.
unless you’re all for moar Franklin. it might be a bomb that doesn’t go off immediately.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 14, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Sanchez
The guy has been K-ing minor leaguers at a rate of about a batter per inning. The Cards deal Boggs, then move Sanchez up to the big club. He can be Sauce insurance even if he’s not a Proven Arm©.
Also, Salas should probably be on the big club next season and despite control issues he held his own last year. It’s a SSS obviously but his stuff seems harder to make contact with than Boggs’, which is a big part of being a bullpen guy (and part of the reason Franklinstein always makes me nervous).
Point is that the organization doesn’t require Boggs and swapping him as part of an Uggla trade would be a pretty nice upgrade.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Nov 14, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
ok, this is where I need the flashcard
there was one of the relievers who was highly touted and then wasn’t that good. except once again, I cannot tell them apart.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
that's samuel
sanchez is the real deal
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thanks
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
A mnemonic to help remember
Sanchez and Salas, our bullpen will ballast.
Francisco Samuel, needs control manual.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
except
if you pronounce the name right, those don’t rhyme at all
sah-lahs
sam-well
sorry to shit on your mnemonic
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Party pooper
Everybody knows there is a fine tradition in English literature of mispronouncing foreign language. You will like my little witticisms and appreciate them sans complaint!
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
near rhymer!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
plausible RH relief for next year:
Franklin
Motte
Boggs
K-mac
Salas
Sanchez
Hawksworth
There’s definitely room to move one or two relievers.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Nov 14, 2010 2:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Who beside TLR/Dunc really vallues Franklin? Wonder what/who Franklin would fetch in a one-one trade?
My sense is the answer is “not too much.”
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
"He's a consistent closer with impressively crazy facial hair—"
“Done!”
“You got a good deal, sir.”
“What… you…. noooooooooooo!”
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
if that would buy Dan Uggla
I would do it and I would throw in my first born child as a player-be-named-later. Unfortunately, that isn’t even close.
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
by purple_haze on Nov 14, 2010 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
wild brainstorming
Renteria at second.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
stephen drew
the answer to all our problems. the cure for aids. not sure why we need to talk about it, i made up my mind already
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by prophetjohn on Nov 14, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
I still prefer
Kelly Johnson. Offense, marginally better defense, and he meets Mo’s call for more HRs.
DINGERZ!!!
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
I don't think anyone would argue with either of you
On drew or johnson being a boost. The question is whether we are capable of landing either without trading rasmus or miller.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Nov 14, 2010 2:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That depends
On what the D-Backs are looking for these days.
Any chance one of our fearless site administrators can set up one of those Q&A sessions and get some insight on this?…
Answered my own question
Looks like corner outfielders and relief pitchers. Ironically, we have both. The question is do they value our guys similar to how we value them? If the answer is yes, SOMETHING could be worked out, I think.
the price is going to be astronomical
theres no way Stephen Drew comes without Shelby Miller leaving. Still want him?
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
by purple_haze on Nov 14, 2010 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
I like that idea
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 14, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
it would satisfy on many fronts.
and quite frankly, I think we need some calm, cool, collected guy to fill the void.
…wick.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i stand by my position
VEB does suck at tributes. I really did bring up a rally on Nov. 1. we could’ve had weeks to plan.
one hopes it won’t be too late.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
we're really great at complaining, though.
/cue alanis
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
OT: Pepper Martin
So I was reading the stuff about TLR and Boog, above, and pondering to myself what would have happened if TLR had been the manager of the Gas House Gang, which sent me online, and I found this fantastic quote about Pepper Martin: “A chunky, unshaven hobo who ran the bases like a berserk locomotive, slept in the raw, and swore at pitchers in his sleep.” – Lee Allen. “Chunky, unshaven hobo” – I love that so, so much.
he doesn't play pepper
he is pepper
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
the only player I come up with is david wells.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Nov 14, 2010 2:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
GDM is related to Pepper Martin?
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
i think i have finally arrived at the TLR needs to go NOW station...
i am almost prepared to say you know what, let tony assemble the team he wants, let him put together the team of gritty washed out veterans he wants to manage plus the pujols, holliday, molina, wainwright, carpenter core; trade away all the younger less experienced players for cash and tuck that money away for later or get good prospects and leave them in the minors so tony can’t break them
give him two years and let him fail miserably or win it all if one of these is what it takes for him to finally retire
and then start over with someone who believes that the success of the organization is more important than his ego
i am almost prepared to wait it out…
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
and where the heck is DeWitt
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
he's probably the one pushing for Tony in the first place
i also wonder if it’s a coincidence Secret Weapon is NOW interviewing for jobs
given the treatment Marty got and the way things are shaping up, OQ might have the right idea
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
yeah, i don't know what that means
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
heh heh.. now even less
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
"i think i have finally arrived at the TLR needs to go NOW station..."
You know, like a train?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
wow, i suck at metaphors ha ha
/preemptive “out of bed”
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
on this doll can you show me what you think a metaphor is?
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
"I sit and watch as memes roll by"
I am deeply disappointed in VEB. We didn’t get a single “I’m happy for you and ima let you finish troy tulowitski, but brendan ryan had one of the best defensive seasons of all time. Of ALL TIME!”
I double-checked the gold glove post and didn’t see one. If I missed it elsewhere, I will retract my disappointment.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Nov 14, 2010 2:31 PM EST via mobile reply actions
As long as the memes don't touch, it's not disappointing?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I'm not really sure what it means
But I’ve been wanting to make that joke for a while and I kinda jumped at the opportunity.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
this is a very well-used gif. Cheers to you mysterui.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
I'm not a huge fan of the execution of it
The difference between funny and unfunny in comedy can be only 1 frame… and I think this gif cuts off a frame or two too early
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
This may be.
but the placement of it was nice. I dig it.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
No clue, brahnold reagan
Sorry
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
the best i can do is
i’m happy for you Tulo and ima let you finish but Brendan Ryan should have at least been mentioned as a close second
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
Boog ...
keep em’’’
Ugla get him…
TLR chill out.
Done.
You fit into me
like a hook into an eye
a fish hook
an open eye
OT: has anyone noticed that "in bed"
has pretty much completely replaced twss?
well done robot, well done
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
twss
quite literally.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
man, nobody saw that coming way to be original
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in bed
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Not to toot my own horn or anything.
But my mom has told me that my originality “rivals that of Carlos Mencia” and that my comedic stylings remind her of a “Dane Cook Lite”
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
so basically you can make duhduhduh sound dirty?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
Louder is better!
Also, other people’s jokes are much more funny with an accent!
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Mencia & Cook? so you steal other peoples jokes, allrightythen
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
My current fave t-shirt that I never wear
because I’m 52….
“There are 10 kinds of people in the world: those that understand binary, and those that don’t.”
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 14, 2010 4:15 PM EST reply actions
you can wear the slightly more mature tshirt of that series
“No I will not fix your computer”
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
I would, if I could actually do that if I cared to
I have minimum skills when it comes to “fixing”, and those skills I have are fast becoming obsolete.
"I actually used about nine pitches--two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a changeup, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman" - Bob Gibson
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Nov 15, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
hell, I think I'd overpay for Uggla in the trade
McClellan, Anderson, Lynn, and Skip for Dan sounds good to me
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 14, 2010 4:17 PM EST reply actions
For one year of Dan?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
that's how bad I don't want Skip to start next season I guess
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 14, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
I'm guessing they will want the other team to overpay for him
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 14, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
i would not give up Lynn, but i'd def give up the rest of them
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Maybe toss in Miles and Winn after Cards resign each. . .
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
You know,
one of the most encouraging things I’ve read this week was a short blurb in somebody’s (Dan’s) main post one day that said the Nats were interested in Miles. Please, oh please, oh please!!!
by ArkansasTravs on Nov 14, 2010 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
This sounds reasonable.
Do it.
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
by purple_haze on Nov 14, 2010 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
No. That's a terrible trade.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
a backup catcher, future fourth/fifth starter, smoke and mirrors long man and replacement level 4th outfielder/non-second-baseman
for Dan Uggla + draft picks?
I would do this yesterday.
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
by purple_haze on Nov 14, 2010 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
dan uggla + dan uggla's salery + draft picks
it’s a bit much
not a terrible trade, but not one i would do yesterday either
i’d hope there’s a little wiggle room for us to get more
by YesWeOquendo on Nov 14, 2010 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
8 million for one year
if we cannot spend this much on a top second baseman, then I don’t even know why we try.
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
by purple_haze on Nov 14, 2010 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
oh, yes
true.
But still.
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
by purple_haze on Nov 14, 2010 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
add in the 2.7 of skip "the unmovable object" schumaker
me thinks uggla is unlikely
by YesWeOquendo on Nov 14, 2010 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
this nitpicking over a couple million
isn’t going to improve our team
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
by purple_haze on Nov 14, 2010 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
he is if he has a .750ish OPS
which he’s done 2.5 of the last 3.5 years.
Actually, he’s close to a league-average player, if he does that. problem is, he has no upside, beyond average- he’ll likely never be anything more than average, even if he’s lucky, so his range is “replacement to average”, which is Not Good.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
okay, so he's not replacement level going forward
but I dont think he’ll ever touch league average again. 1 win would be about what I would expect from him as a regular starter so theres not much value there at all.
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
agreed
2B is the easiest position to upgrade, period.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
and that's what we've been discussing.
welcome to the thread.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
uggla is too expensive
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maybe
drew is also probably too expensive. Uribe in interesting. Etc.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
drew is gonna make like half what uggla makes next season
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oh for the love of god
AND HE’LL ALSO COST SHELBY MILLER OR LANCE LYNN TO ACQUIRE.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
he's not gonna cost shelby miller
he’s not gonna be some impact talent. he’s gonna be a nice upgrade
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ok, in that case, let's get him.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
dude was 5.1 fWAR last year
he’ll cost shelby miller + boog + kmac
by YesWeOquendo on Nov 15, 2010 2:28 AM EST up reply actions
does fWAR mean fangraphs WAR?
or what
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 15, 2010 2:29 AM EST up reply actions
that's what i've been doing
i’d hope it would cut down on the confusion
obviously, i’ve failed. sorry
by YesWeOquendo on Nov 15, 2010 2:31 AM EST up reply actions
huh
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 15, 2010 2:31 AM EST up reply actions
it's the right way to do it.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
so that's what it means then right?
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 15, 2010 2:32 AM EST up reply actions
and he's been 2+ every other year
he looks like he had some BABIP luck
he was his usually .270, 15 HR, 60 RBI self. that’s the kind of stuff that’s going to drive the return he gets. it ain’t shelby miller
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if other GM's are rational, yes.
Someone is gona pay ~5 WAR prices, though.
And Mo seems like the type to be bluffed into being that guy.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
I'm going to predict
Skip hits .329/.375/.399 this year and plays average defense.
We win 109 games and Colby and TLR happily attend each others’ birthday parties.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Nov 15, 2010 2:24 AM EST up reply actions
impossible
both during the season — if there’s postseason
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
If the Cardinals...
replace Boog but keep Skip would we officially be a Poorly Run Franchise, or has that already happened?
Screw you, you freakin stats nerd
that would definitely put it over the top
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 14, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
under the bottom . . .
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
it would depend on who replaces Boog.
And how said replacement is acquired. But it would not be a positive.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
now there's a question.
Who is good enough to replace Brendan Ryan? on defense, now, because we know not just our current pitching staff but our future pitching staff depends on a tight infield.
if we don’t have an answer to that, it’s automatically a stupid idea to deal him out.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i don't think we should move him.
he had one passable-solid offensive season (1.6 oWAR) and one miserable offensive season (-0.7 oWAR). 2011 should be used to see what we really have in him.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
i dunno.
the more i look at how things are unfolding, the more i think my tongue-in-cheek joking about his mental issues is…. less amusing for 2011. the problem is really that it’s a self-fulfilling prophecy; he has to be surrounded by people who are going to keep him thinking positively and focused.
(oh hey, you know what? other teams have professionals on the payroll who do that for a living! how novel! i never knew investing hundreds of thousands of dollars in a player could be so thoughtful and proactive!)
he’s just got to hang in there for one more season.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
who's next up for ss from the system?
answer, no one
boog has to stay
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
Nobody out there
defensively at least. But, if the upgrade for Boog is Stephen Drew, I’ll be much less angry.
I like tom’s proposal to trade for Uggla, keep Boog, and take the draft picks after Uggla goes to FA after next year. But, if the upgrade at SS turned out to be Drew (or someone equivalent) then I really can’t argue with the decision to replace Boog instead of Skip. He (Boog) is much more tradeable than Skip. (Of course this would also depend on who else might be involved in the trade.)
by ArkansasTravs on Nov 14, 2010 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
so the Stephen Drew de Provoquer it is
/google french
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 14, 2010 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
i've been operating under the assumption
that boog’s replacement is drew. if it were, say, renteria, that’d be a little less excusable. i don’t really know who else is available that could reasonably play SS. maybe jose reyes? i would be okay with that.
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by prophetjohn on Nov 15, 2010 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
uribe is interesting.
he could potentially offer the same upgrade as Drew, at 2B, and do it for no loss in talent, only money.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
i think drew is a much more solid bet
uribe seems pretty fluky
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113 and 130 OPS+ respectively
but drew is probably a +5 defender while uggla is more like -10
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i like pikchurs
…sbn is screwing up this comment and I don’t know why.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
what the...
it won’t let me link to Uggla. it shows a blank comment, and the html is all correct.
fiiiine.
http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_player_hitting_chart.jsp?c_id=fla&playerID=462564&statType=1
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
the drew link is broken, too
doesn’t show anything but a blank field, same as uggla. You have to reload and ten click “all” to see any x’s.
What are you trying to show?
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
er, the program on that page requires you to click the type of ball-in-play regardless.
it’s not broken.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
oh
so what are you trying to show?
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
uh.
a picture.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
as an aside, the amount of over-reading and attempted mind-reading that goes on in this site is kind of silly.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
CodyG is possibly speaking to a very, very short time
in bed.
let’s watch CodyG ask CodyG about it.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
to try to mind-read in bed and last
or to ask CodyG about it?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
maybe he's just a really obsessed detective
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
he's still here.... he must not have found it
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
should learn to type one-handed
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
see these
linking those properly actually does only take one hand.
esp. since you’re not checking the box
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
most touchpads have a right-click equivalent
at least, they all used to
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
drew is also (extremely) interesting
but he’ll cost talent to acquire. He probably has a higher upside, but is probably about the same mean, maybe a bit more- aside from 1.5 months in 2010, he’s been a ~2 WAR player over the last 3 years in MLB.
He’s younger, and cost-controlled, sort of, so he’s definitely more valuable, in a vacuum. But SD will cost a lot to acquire, probably requiring an overpay on an overpay.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
depends what that means
i think boog, boggs and jay is an overpay, but i’d do it. that’s dealing from a strength. if it’s an overpay like miller, martinez or even colby or jaime, i don’t do it
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why wouldn't Drew cost a top prospect?
he’s a top 5 SS at a cheap price.
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
i don't think he's seen as that much above average
i’m also not sure he’s top-5
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not that cheap
and only 2 years of control. And he’s not that good.
it’s a real reach to call him a “top 5 SS” given his carrer path so far.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
then why is he gonna cost shelby miller or lance lynn?
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because he is seen as a top 5 SS
that’s the point- he’s not worth what he’ll cost. Someone wil lpay more for him that he is worth.
If Mo can get him for less, he’ll be a nice upgrade. I just don’t see it happening.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
i don't think he's seen as a top-5 SS
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i'm surprised how different we value him
i view the value of drew today
as similar to what i expect rasmus to be worth in 1-2 years
by YesWeOquendo on Nov 15, 2010 2:45 AM EST up reply actions
rasmus has MVP potential
6-7 WAR, possibly. 4-5 WAR/yr, likely.
Drew has a long way to go before he could be considered to have that much potential. He might have it- and if he does, we should probably trade even Miller for him. But he hasn’t shown it, so far- outside of 2 months in 2010, he’s been roughly league average in his career- and he’ll be 28 next year.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
I'm sure I'll waffle all winter over this
but at this point in time I agree with you. Three from of the following might be an overpay, but I’d happily go it at this point: Ryan, Greene, Boggs, Jay,
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Nov 15, 2010 2:30 AM EST up reply actions
(you said the word)
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
we're talking about, like, a win
tops
and it’s probably a wash if we consider true talent level. i think the fact that people like boog as a person is clouding judgment. he was still terrible last year
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twatter
there's little evidence that this year is a good basis for evaluating him.
I don’t think a lot of people realize that he’s still not had regular-starter time.
now, if he’s currently having a Khalil-type breakdown because everyone’s talking about trading him, then yes, he will probably be terrible going forward. /droll
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
and we wouldn't even consider his offense if the infield sans Albert had stepped up.
he’s gotten better on the basepaths, too, which is more than one can say for the rest of the team.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
you pitch to contact, you need boog
i don’t care if he comes to the plate and faces the other way thinking that’s where the ball comes from
if you have strikeout pitchers, then replace him but if you’ll cling to pitch to contact the runs replacing him will cost you will probably be more than the runs a better bat at short will produce
the fact that he didn’t have a bad year offensively in 2009 proves that he can hit better and in 2010 you
a) gave him a new pitching coach
b) let your manager badger him
c) performed surgery on his wrist so close to spring training he really had no spring training
you owe him at least another half season
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
and no options meant whatever problems he had
were addressed in the Majors.
also, hitting coach. or whatever he is. if he can’t bag any pheasants, we should fire him, y/n?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
you are insane prophetjohn
come up with a verifiable basis for your argument before you accuse us of arguing emotionally.
Heres mine: Boog was worth over a win more of fWAR than Skip last year and regression should bring him back to league average. Skip, in the meantime, will probably never be average again.
I’m willing to repeat this as many times as you need to hear it.
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
by purple_haze on Nov 14, 2010 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
just put it in your sig.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 14, 2010 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
a win is important
And that’s the difference between their median projections.
by vivaelpujols on Nov 15, 2010 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
and multiple wins are more important
and it looks like a significant upgrade is much more feasible at SS. if johnson has another year like last year, he’d be nice, but i don’t think i trust him to be productive as much as someone like stephen drew
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twatter
How exactly are we supposed to get stephen drew?
And why is he different than Dan Uggla?
by vivaelpujols on Nov 15, 2010 1:26 AM EST up reply actions
dan uggla is a terrible defender
considerably more expensive, older and a free agent after the year
i would say boog and boggs
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twatter
i'd probably do that trade
but i’d cry afterwards, and long-term, we’d probably regret it.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
i mean
i’m all for the idea of putting drew at second and boog at short, but i don’t think we get drew without sending a SS back. and i don’t know if tyler greene would cut it
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twatter
i dunno if there are studies
but it seems like a safe bet that on average a SS moving to 2B is going to be better. SS is a harder position
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twatter
this is delusional
Stephen Drew will cost Shelby Miller or need to be part of a Colby Rasmus package. He’s a cost controlled young SS who just put up a 5 fWAR year.
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
if he does, then fine
but i don’t think he will. these guys are desperate for relief pitching. if it takes another arm, give them salas. or i’d even toss in jay if they wanted him. no way it takes a top 10 MLB prospect to land stephen drew
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twatter
If Drew costs that
then I don’t think it’s going to happen. Miller isn’t going anywhere, and I’m not sure how their farm looks but I’m skeptical that we match up with them on a Colby deal.
I do have a little scrap of fear that we end of getting a Drew for Rasmus straight up trade.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Nov 15, 2010 2:32 AM EST up reply actions
that would be a nightmare.
Worse, we throw in ryan, and ryan outperforms drew next year. That would be super-nightmare.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
my vision.... growing dim....
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Yeah Ryan in
carefree Arizona in cozy Chase with a manager bursting with hugs Ryan probably hits .300 and wins the gold glove with daily webgems. Colby OPS .960 and Drew goes something like .228/.299/.310 and does an exclusive with Joe Strauss in August in which he confirms his trade demand and says, “No wonder J.D. hated Tony.”
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Nov 15, 2010 2:39 AM EST up reply actions
Boog to SF would probably be his dream destination
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
why do you think a "moe sig upgrade is feasible at SS"?
We have a +defense SS who has a bad-luck BABIP season, and a -defense 2B who also had a bad luck BABIP season. One of those is likely going to bounce back a lot more than the other, especially since Boog’s offensive upside is probably higher than Skip’s.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
i think we're in disagreement about their offensive upsides
and i don’t think boog’s BABIP was necessarily all bad luck. he looked terrible most of the season. if you’re not making very good contact, you’re probably going to make a lot of outs on balls in play. kinda like how, holliday has a .330 BABIP every year, but it’s not because he’s getting lucky
i think an upgrade is more feasible at SS because of what’s available. kelly johnson is about the only attractive option available
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twatter
again we ignore
you really think he’s going to replicate that?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
not having a spring training
would work if it was only the first month or so. it wasn’t like it was extensive surgery. and yes he’s going to have the same manager and pitching coach around, so i don’t see what circumstances are really different.
he may bounce back and have another 3 win season, i just don’t think it’s anything anyone should be planning on
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twatter
so fond of ripping the numbers out of context
he changed his entire swing that entire time! are you saying he’ll spend the next season doing that? and that surgery fixed a problem that he spent his entire adult life working around, meaning even if he wasn’t changing his swing, it would all feel different.
look, I know he had a terrible season, and it wasn’t like I don’t know how fucked he made himself and the team. but the onus is on you to prove how he’s going to be that terrible again.
and seriously, with his defense, why are so many people obsessed with outstanding offense? it’s only because there are holes at 2nd and 3rd plus inconsistencies on the right side of the outfield that Brendan Ryan’s offense is suddenly an issue.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
yes, i think he's going to continually change his swing
he’s always done that.
i think he’s going to be terrible again because he was so terrible for so long and he doesn’t have any kind of track record. he has a potentially fluky, but still below average offensive season in 2009
i’m not concerned with outstanding offense when it’s couple with his defense. i’m concerned with having offense that isn’t way below average. he showed how much only his defense can carry him. to the tune of about 1 win. gotta do better than 1 WAR. bill james projects him for a .288 wOBA. that’s awful
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twatter
as much as I hate to, i disagree
with a wrist injury, any wrist injury, I think the onus is on the player to prove he can come back. i think the odds are good for Boog, but it’s high-risk for the GM until something positive has been shown.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
why is Lance Berkman classified as a type B free agent?
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 14, 2010 4:52 PM EST reply actions
his pajamas are awesome
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Has St. Louis been moved to the AL?
He’s not an outfielder anymore.
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
the rams have a player named oh you?
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twatter
no seriously
i saw it on a jersey
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what the heck happened to ronnie belliard last season?
terrible stats last year, his slugging and average were way down
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 14, 2010 4:55 PM EST reply actions
hmmm, Juan Uribe maybe
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 14, 2010 4:57 PM EST reply actions
he wouldn't be a big upgrade in offense over skip, but his defense is much better
if he moves over to second base. it would be kind of a wash at SS, unless boog is as atrocious with the bat next year (which is not too probable)
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 14, 2010 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
no no no a thousand times no on Uribe
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
I really hope they don't get rid of boog
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 14, 2010 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
they most certainly will rue the day if they do
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
codyg's laptop keyboard sucks
he must now choose between on-screen keyboard and his phone until the replacement comes in a week or so.
total time to type this 3minutes. also give me stephen drew!!!
mob16151 wonders if reffering to yourself
In the 3rd person is VEB’s new meme?
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
Best Pirates manager since Leyland? (which isn't a very high bar)
Clint Hurdle signs on to redeem Buckos.
Also- he was in the mix for the Mets job… and went with the Pirates.
Too stupid and sissy-like to say that you want out.
You make the eyes of a million girls and think you'll make them shout.
by The Continental on Nov 14, 2010 7:20 PM EST reply actions
did he get pond scum on his hands?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
watching the Rams game and checking out turfshowtimes
…the editors/main posters over there seem all right, but man the posters suck. Makes you appreciate this site even more
posters at niners nation suck too
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
you're one evil robotic SOB
and the Cowboys won!
HOW BOUT DEM COWBOYS?!?!
idiots are still 2-7 & an embarrassment to every fan
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
they have the editors... VanRam is advanced statistician, 3K knows his shit (particularly the NFL Draft)
VTRamsfan gives good anyalsis on specific plays (not sure if you’ve caught them), and ram-_rod… i don’t even know what he does admittedly but he seems fine enough..
then they have about 5-10 regular posters who are cool and know what they are talking about… and then there are the others… they all suck and for the most part don’t know shit…
unfortunately, when the rams started winning, the site attracted a lot of 14 year olds (im not kidding..) and completely made a joke out of the fanpost section….
by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 15, 2010 1:16 AM EST up reply actions
This is exactly correct
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
do you browse through the site
i’ve never seen you post…
by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 15, 2010 1:25 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I check it about as often as I check VEB
But the community there sucks so I never really post
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
so apparently GM meetings are dumping the entourage
For the first time in recent memory, only the 30 general managers will be in attendance when their meetings are held Tuesday and Wednesday at the Waldorf Astoria in Orlando, Fla.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
the twitter party will suck.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Welp there goes that plan
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
we could open up the floor to one-act plays, though.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
HEY SUNDAY NIGHT VEBERS
TELL ME ABOUT YOUR WEEKEND
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
i got a ticket for talking on my cell phone
i spent my weekend bitching about it; largely to people i don’t really know
by YesWeOquendo on Nov 14, 2010 9:27 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Man, you sound like a whiney little girl
I’d hate to spend any amount of time with you at all
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
actually i'm adorable
i plan to use my cuteness to get out of the ticket
it’s foolproof!
by YesWeOquendo on Nov 14, 2010 9:31 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
went on a shuttle bus to a brewery in the burbs
there was a keg on the bus
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 14, 2010 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
had to be on the highway
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 14, 2010 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
That sounds awesome
Booze bus on the way to a brewery?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
yup!
got to try broodoo from 3 floyds, and most of the beers at Lunar Brewing Co. they had one that tasted smoky, almost bacony
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 14, 2010 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
Saw Cinematic Titanic tear apart completely irredeemable
B-move Rattlers.
Too stupid and sissy-like to say that you want out.
You make the eyes of a million girls and think you'll make them shout.
by The Continental on Nov 14, 2010 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
Like 3 words of this made sense to me
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Cinematic Titanic, one of the successors to Mystery Science Theater 3000. It was a live show in St. Charles.
Too stupid and sissy-like to say that you want out.
You make the eyes of a million girls and think you'll make them shout.
by The Continental on Nov 14, 2010 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
worked mostly selling lots of Avocadoes then went surfing ahhhhhhhh yes Cali !
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 14, 2010 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
...we probably shouldn't talk right now
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
too cold where you are ? i thought you were in SCal ?
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 14, 2010 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
I'm in a "hate" phase of my love/hate relationship with California
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Ahhh yes i know it well , but man what a day it was 75 in NorCal on the coast c'mon !
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 14, 2010 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
72 in socal
crystal cove was amazing today.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
yeah we had a NE wind it was beautiful , lots of jellyfish onshore though
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 14, 2010 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
avocado????!!!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 14, 2010 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
yes ! Haas Avocado !!! wat? I know theres an Avocado deal on VEB but enlighten me
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 14, 2010 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
The fact that one of our own is a purveyor of Haas Avocados
saddens me greatly.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
is it that stupid ASSHAT commercial that riles you guys up ? idk but
i’m laughing all the way to the bank yo
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 14, 2010 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
memesplanation
CLICK HERE.
it’s synecdoche. unless of course you want VEB to post that instead.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 14, 2010 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
over
and over
and over
and over again…
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 14, 2010 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
the nutshot !!! OK no more talk of Avocado pits or skins or anything...
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 14, 2010 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
i had the flu
and i have to sell my xbox360 to pay bills
what? you all didn’t expect good news now did you?
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
gdm gdm gdm gdm gdm gdm
I’ve never wished somebody got a job more than I wish you did
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
here's something funny
there’s a Kroger distribution center 20miles away. about twice a month they advertise for jobs & of course every time i see it i spend the hour & a half online filling out the app & taking their stupid personality/aptitude test or whatever the F it’s called. and of course i’m turned down a few days later. so today me & my bro drive over (he went along bc he&my mom are convinced i lie & say i apply for gigs, long story short my fam hates me, seriously) there because we actually got a flyer in the mail yesterday pretty much begging for people to apply. i ask them whats up & why i keep getting turned down. they really don’t have a good answer & i ask them just what are they looking for & they tell me they hire teenagers & college kids mostly even though they are unrealizable, don’t like the work & generally don’t show up & quit after a few weeks or just walk off the job after a day or two. so i ask if i sign up for some classes would that mean they would hire me, and they said it couldn’t hurt.
what did i learn? i’ll never get those two hours of my life back
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
...I don't even know what to make of your life, man
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
just laugh dude, i've gotten pissed & sad about for far too long
all that’s left is to laugh
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
So if Kyle Drabek had the last name of Banks would he be
ranked as high as a prospect?
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
Everyone needs to rec
this comment from February. This is just scary how accurate it turned out to be.
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
nice
I also thought he would be good, but that comment is spot on
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 14, 2010 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
it was easy.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 14, 2010 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
it sure was
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 14, 2010 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
it's early.... might as well wait for it....
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 14, 2010 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
in bed
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 14, 2010 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
how did you stumble across that?
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
OK so how about Uribe at third , Ryan SS, Drew 2nd , Albert
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 14, 2010 11:34 PM EST reply actions
oh yeah, god, that reminds me
third base will be a big ole slice of Scott Rolen Curse. (we still love you Scotty)
I have a feeling our problems in MI will pale in comparison to 3B. I just feel it.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 14, 2010 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, everyone is concentrating on the middle infield and not thinking about third
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 14, 2010 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
perhaps because there's a Chance.
or so we’re saying.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 14, 2010 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
he's progressing nicely ahead of schedule
we’re good
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
we should be more worried about 1B than 3B
by YesWeOquendo on Nov 14, 2010 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
We're just completely fucked, aren't we?
Too stupid and sissy-like to say that you want out.
You make the eyes of a million girls and think you'll make them shout.
by The Continental on Nov 14, 2010 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
at least holliday isn't getting any older
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
by SleepyCA on Nov 14, 2010 11:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i'm worried about the positions on both sides of the bag on 3B
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
we could swap
jerry manuel for 3B coach?
by YesWeOquendo on Nov 14, 2010 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
YesWeManuel?
doesn’t have quite the same ring to it..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
they always say that when its really not so
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 14, 2010 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
invisible irony tags, riftraft
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
i'm a rook , learning
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 14, 2010 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
do you think if we start hating Scott Ro that will kill his curse?
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
i didn't know you had a death wish
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i can type one handed
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I think that's our best bet
I mean, Uribe is probably not the answer, unless Mo knows something about Freese that we don’t, but Drew/Ryan in the MIF would be a glorious thing for a GB pitching staff.
Drew is a good defender, though, so if it came to it we’d probably only lose a half-win or so by swapping him and Ryan. Except that Skip is more likely to start over BR than Drew, so in the end it would be closer to 1-1.5 wins due to the tlr tax.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
I weep for the future.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 14, 2010 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
robot umpires will help Colby, though
so there’s at least that.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
by SleepyCA on Nov 14, 2010 11:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
with our luck
tlr will upsurp mo
declare himself manager/gm
trade boog, raz, craig, greene, anderson, farm
sign tejada, miles, and matt pagnozzi (just ’cuz)
extend mang for 10/350
then promptly retire
you say robot umpires will help colby? i just hope he isn’t playing for the cubs
by YesWeOquendo on Nov 15, 2010 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
well, I am starting to suspect that DeWitt is grooming TLR to be the next GM.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 15, 2010 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
maybe we'll get to see big mac take some atbats?
/silver lining?
by YesWeOquendo on Nov 15, 2010 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
more weeping in your future
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 15, 2010 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
oops, it's only midnight on the et
oh well. conspiracy theory.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 15, 2010 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
Just fyi
Uribe would be in TLR’s doghouse 2 days after he signed. Then TLR would kill him.
Even Ozzie got annoyed at his lackadaisical crap, and Ozzie liked him. I think.
wait
aren’t there more than one Uribes
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Nov 15, 2010 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
yes its unlikely that he will leave SF i think but i did see the dude play 3rd this year and
he did better than Happy and Gritty tied together
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 15, 2010 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
*floppy
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 15, 2010 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
the baseball codes by Jason Turbow
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.I don't know what you're talking about,"
Wilson said when asked (if he puts shoe polish on his beard). "It's dark because we play a lot of day games. It's tanned. It's focused."
by riftraftredbird on Nov 15, 2010 12:56 AM EST up reply actions
59 in 84' was great
so was The Year Babe Ruth Hit 104 Home Runs
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
i just bought one called
The Gashouse Gang: How Dizzy Dean, Leo Durocher, Branch Rickey, Pepper Martin, and Their Colorful, Come-from-Behind Ball Club Won the World Series—and America’s Heart—During the Great Depression
sounds pretty interesting though i never heard of it before .
i heard of that babe ruth book before , sounds interesting .
that is a great book
The parts about Rickey were interesting, but Dean was the real story. Although I must admit that Medwick was close behind with his tendency to luggage any teammate he thought had it coming
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
Have you heard of this book called "Moneyball"?
It’s about the Art of Winning an Unfair Game? It’s really cool, it’s about statistics and stuff
Youkilis. Euclis. The Greek God of Walks.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Yeah he is... I need to read the rest of his stuff
I’ve read Moneyball, Blind Side, and The Big Short
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
i actually did a book report - voluntarily - on that
one of the few times i enjoy doing a book report…..
although the writer really needs to learn how to SIMPLIFY titles otherwise it might be hard to tell other people to read it…
by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 15, 2010 1:31 AM EST up reply actions
moll flanders'd
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I LOVED "A Lefty's Legacy." Sandy Koufax was one bad motherfucker
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
get the new one about Mickey
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
i haven't read it, but everyone who has says it's excellent
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
some favorites, ignoring things like moneyball and everything by posnanski
“license to deal”, by jerry crasnick- about the politics of being an MLB agent
“as they see ’em” by bruce weber- about the struggles of becoming an MLB umpire, and the crap they go through after
“the umpire strikes back” by ron lucciano- out of print, but great book about what it was like to be an umpire in the 70’s
“October 1964”- david halberstam- story of the ‘64 world series between STL and NY. We won- very interesting discussion of the effects of racism on players, the politics behind the brock trade, etc.
“the fadeaway”- fictional account of an 1900 ex-big league pitcher who tries to make a comeback with a city-league team
“the worst team money could buy” – bob klapisch- about the 1992 mets, and how spending money doesn’t guarantee success
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
oh, and gibson's autobiography
something like “from the ghetto to glory”- I got it for like 75 cents at a used book store.
And gibson’s recent book with reggie jackson was ok- interesting, but not worth hardcover prices. nothing truly insightful, which is a shame, but worth a read just for the smack-talk. But the original was very good. Was written before 1967, IIRC. Can’t find it right now, for some reason it’s not in the “baseball books” section of my library ;)
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
who the what now?!
http://blogs.bettor.com/St-Louis-Cardinals-looking-to-pursue-Juan-Uribe,-vigorously-a41079
(i’ll wait)
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
vigorously
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 15, 2010 2:21 AM EST up reply actions
still waiting
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
he's interesting
but he’s gonna be 32 and probably want multiple years
also what’s up with the writing on that blog. “It waits to be seen”
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
blog doesn't really pass the smell test, tbh
i mean, why doesn’t espn report on its own report
but the headline is amusing
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
that looks like douchefan4 wrote it
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
oh, you know him
?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i know stupid when i see it
it’s been staring back at me in the mirror all my life
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
oh wow...
just like to say im not a douche and its funny that you call me that cause its literally like the opposite of me (douchebags get girls right?)
meh…. nevermind… things come across differently on the internet, i am admittedly stupid and young but i am not a douche… that’s just one thing that you cannot call me…
by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 15, 2010 2:38 AM EST up reply actions
i was joking, if you would read the follow up comment you'd know that dude
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
ahh well i may have jumped the gun
but the way you’ve openly insulted me before made me think otherwise
sorry for the misunderstanding
by stlcardsfan4 on Nov 15, 2010 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
that's the problem with fighting with Eeyore
even when you win he makes you feel bad
Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have? Frank Chance 1908
i shouldn't have done that & i'm sorry
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
screw you guys, i'm going to bed
stephen drew and we’re keeping shelby miller!
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
sign pitching
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Nov 15, 2010 2:32 AM EST up reply actions
and profit!
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
you're going to bed stephen drew? i didn't know you or he swang that way
not that there’s anything wrong with it
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
shocking
it’s so late (or early)
and the comments are largely about baseball
if the morning thread’s on time, i bet most will assume it’s all gifs
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i had to let my photobucket account expire, i won't be posting anything for a while
and all of VEB said,,,,,,,,,, HALLELUJAH
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
imgur is owned by photobucket, at least it was last year when i set up my pro account
there’s no limit on pro accounts & as long as i dont move stuff to different albums they should be permanent
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
alright, obvy i was thinking of another one
they still have limits though & have pro accounts for a couple dollars less than photobucket. i’m fine with photobucket i just couldn’t renew it when it expired last month. i’ll reactivate it hopefully next month or the first of the year at the latest. the pics will start working again on the 16th, now if you look at stuff from last week they don’t work. which sucks & is embarrassing, but that’s life.
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Go back to Burger King
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I'll put in a good word with my manager
though the first time strauss pretended he led a more fulfilling life than I do he called me a towel boy, so I think he’s lost a step.
hey if it pays, i'll be the Kings Whopper bitch
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
I don't remember if he's ever insulted me
Does twitter have the ability to see past history?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Like, every tweet between he and I?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
there are literally hundreds of free image hosting sites
by vivaelpujols on Nov 15, 2010 3:26 AM EST up reply actions
right, but again, they have limits, pro accounts don't
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
i've got a crap load of jpgs & gifs
it’s already 92% full with the free photobucket, and i haven’t even added a some from this passed couple weeks. if i do that it will be full. once it goes back to pro that won’t be a problem
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
yep
i gotta go to bed, i have some places to call in a few hours & if i dont at least get a little sleep i’ll never get hired
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
I haven't been able to use this in context today, but I feel the need to share
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
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