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the infield

before we get into the discussion, can i say what a great postseason this is (notwithstanding the enormous problem that the cards are not in it)? watching halladay, lee, and lincecum pitch like the aces they are is amazing. i feel energized even though my team is out of the running.

other than maybe mark mulder, there hasn't been a problem as perplexing for st. louis as the infield in the last five years. perennially changing, perennially underperforming, the temporary fill-ins at second and shortstop, the walking wounded and emotionally troubled at third, the journeyman utility players, and the endlessly returning aaron miles have vexed this club season after season in a line stretching from albert pujols's right hand to the other foul line.

2011 promises nothing particularly different.

the free agent class is, on the whole, putrid in 2011. let's look at what little there is for free agents and for reasonable trade options.

let's dispose of one thing off the bat -- adrian beltre is not walking through that door. he made $10m in 2010 and will make more next year in free agency, for several years. i'd love him. we're not getting him.

the trades

here's a name that's cropped up several times. stephen drew (27). he's entering his 2nd arb year. he made $3.4m in 2010, avoiding arb. he'll make more this year. he's a great player for arizona, who will be worth much more than the d-backs pay for him in 2011. i really don't see the cards nabbing him, with any package we're likely to put together that doesn't involve colby rasmus. and that would be stupid.

Year

PA

wOBA

WAR

2008

663

.353

2.2

2009

595

.321

2.1

2010

633

.354

5.1

drew isn't a 5 win player going forward, but he could be a 3-4 win player at a tough-to-fill spot. wild card: can tony play nice with another drew boy? his rep would definitely precede him with stephen.

on the right side of the diamond in phoenix is kelly johnson (28). he's entering his third arb year after making $2.35m last year.

Year

PA

wOBA

WAR

2008

614

.346

2.6

2009

346

.306

0.6

2010

671

.377

6.0

his 2010 was ridiculously lucky, playing well in a batter-friendly stadium. realistically, he's a 2 win player at 2b going forward. see the analysis above for drew.

Star-divide

a very interesting name that's gotten no play is marco scutaro (35). he's signed by the sox through 2011 ($5m), with a complex 2012 option - $6m team, $3m player, $1.5m buyout. 

Year

PA

wOBA

WAR

2008

592

.354

3.1

2009

680

.319

4.3

2010

695

.320

2.2

note that scutaro has been more valuable (in the AL East) than stephen drew, on balance. scutaro is under contract to the red sox. while the sox could keep him around as a backup/utility, i wonder if they might be willing to move him given their success with . . . .

jed lowrie (26) - he'll be hitting his first arb year and he'll be a huge value, managing 1.7 WAR in a third of a season this year.

Year

PA

wOBA

WAR

2008

306

.326

1.9

2009

76

.212

-0.2

2010

197

.393

1.7

provided he stays healthy, that is. he's boston's david freese except he hits better at a more defensively challenging spot. there's no guaranteeing that boston gives up either lowrie or scutaro, but if we can tempt them with, say, a catcher (anderson), a reliever or two, and an outfielder . . . . i could see them giving up scutaro. he's older, more expensive, and only okay defensively, especially at short where he is a clear negative. scutaro seems like a nice fit at second in st. louis. it's unlikely that boston decides that lowrie is too much of an injury risk that they trade him and keep scutaro; lowrie is included more as an illustration. that said, i'd take him in a hot minute if they were offering.

the free agents and non-tenders

an easier get is free agent j.j. hardy (28). we just have to spend some money on him.

Year

PA

wOBA

WAR

2008

629

.355

4.9

2009

465

.292

1.4

2010

375

.313

2.4

 

he made $5.1M last year. he could do a little better this year, but $5m seems about right. hardy is probably the best shortstop defensively of this bunch (career UZR/150 at short of 11.0). i think i'd still prefer boog at short and look at hardy at second, but a boog-hardy infield would definitely pass muster with the groundballing staff, whatever order you put them in. offensively, i think we're seeing more of the real hardy in the past two seasons. his seasons of highest offensive production in MIL were marked by unreasonably high HR/FB rates. i suspect he's more a 2-3 win player going forward, worth the $5m investment and then some.

mark ellis (33) is an interesting option - one of the older options, like scutaro. he's got a $6.5m club option with the A's, with a $500k buyout. he made $5.5m last year. 

Year

PA

wOBA

WAR

2008

507

.314

2.9

2009

410

.310

1.2

2010

492

.326

3.2

imagining myself billy beane, i'm trying to decide if i non-tender him, or if i take up the option then deal him in june. i think i probably do the latter and milk him for all he's worth. if he's non-tendered, he's expensive like hardy, but not absurdly so. probably a good buy, though his health gives me a little concern.

now we come to a perennial tony favorite. miguel tejada (36) is the old man of the group. he's a free agent who made $6m last year, barely what he was worth. 

Year

PA

wOBA

WAR

2008

666

.313

3.3

2009

674

.344

2.8

2010

681

.306

1.4

i doubt there's much left to tejada. he strikes me as the kind of guy who could go downhill real fast. i also am concerned that 3b may be the only place for him right now. you do have to grant that he's been very durable, putting together more PAs than anybody else on this list in the last three years. and he could be the tony womack in the group who puts together a swan song season. maybe he hits 25 hr in 2011, but i doubt it. more likely he's a 1-2 win player who is limited in the field.

speaking of old and limited in the field, orlando hudson (33) is not all he's cracked up to be. he's a free agent and made $5m last year. while i believe he's type A, the good people at cot's tell us the twins agree not to offer arb to him. 

Year

PA

wOBA

WAR

2008

435

.358

1.5

2009

659

.342

2.9

2010

559

.320

3.2

his WAR totals look like a mirror image of tejada's. his most recent numbers are deceptive, based in large part on a 10.4 UZR in 2010, after four straight seasons of negative numbers there. his earlier offensive numbers are propped up by uncharacteristic BABIPs. he's a 2 WAR guy who will be fairly expensive and who doesn't stay on the field very well. he'd probably be worth his salary, but i don't like him much compared to this crowd.

bringing up the rear is jhonny peralta (28) who has a club option for $7m, which detroit will almost certainly decline. he made $4.6m this year.

Year

PA

wOBA

WAR

2008

664

.347

3.9

2009

645

.304

1.2

2010

615

.309

1.4

he's a felipe lopez type who i would not mind provided we could get him for felipe lopez money. his offense has been declining as he's lost his plate discipline, culminating in a 31% out of zone swing rate this season. he's not very good at defense at short and shows signs of not being very good at third either.

someone smarter than me can line up all the potential trade matchups. my gut is that none of these trades get done, though a trade for scutaro doesn't strike me as crazy. more likely we pick up some tolerable free agent/non-tender on the order of $5-6m for second or shortstop or third (hardy, ellis, tejada, hudson). probably all of those guys are plausible 2 win types, which make them cost-effective, if not bargains. once we plunk that money down - provided we put the same or more down on westbrook, and pujols gets a raise - that's going to be a real good piece of our 2010 budget accounted for. 

how do they line up with our internal prospects? my very rough estimates are that skip and descalso look like 1 win over a season at second, assuming normal luck. ryan's value is terribly babip driven, but on balance he's likely about 2 wins at short. tyler greene i am beginning to sour on - while a better option than miles or feliz, he has not shown signs of translating his minor league performance to the majors. he's 27 now - it's time for that talent to manifest. i am also frankly concerned that he hasn't logged a positive reading on fielding metrics in the majors or minors for the last (i think) three seasons (i am lost with minorleaguesplits.com being down). i think he's a little better than replacement, though his ceiling is clearly higher. most of the players above would be meaningful improvements on the internal options at second, and would offer little value over brendan ryan at short. 

Poll
choose a middle infield acquisition target for 2011.
trade rasmus for drew and johnson
63 votes
trade mcclellan, jay, and anderson for scutaro
42 votes
sign jj hardy
183 votes
sign mark ellis
40 votes
sign orlando hudson
185 votes
sign miguel tejada (hi, tony)
45 votes
platoon tyler greene and descalso, invest savings in gold dobloons
204 votes

762 votes | Poll has closed

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they’re just not very good/consistent. This makes me nervous.

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by Dttl89 on Oct 9, 2010 5:01 AM EDT reply actions  

Signing Hardy and Hudson would help this team a lot imo.

Then maybe swing a trade for Mauer, Delmon Young, Span, Kubel, Cuddyer, Baker, Liriano, Duensing, and Slowey and I think we may have a shot at that post-season thing.

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by flipthebird15 on Oct 9, 2010 7:54 AM EDT reply actions  

As difficult

as it was watching these infielders play i think the Cards will stand pat. time to promote from with in. i have mentioned this name before but I would not mind the Cards giving Andy LaRoche a shot. he is pretty much done in P-bugh and i would not be surprised that he is non-tendered. he and Freese could battle it out for the starting job, but i expect the he ends up on the bench. he has play a game or two at second and could give albert a day off once in a while. Let’s sign Westbrook, Pujols and fix up the pen and call it done.

by nybirdfan on Oct 9, 2010 8:03 AM EDT reply actions  

ugh, really?

That basically concedes 3 black holes in the lineup, the very thing that doomed us last year. Skip is going to be 31 , and his natural decline is going to offset most of any regression he experiences, imo. He is a defensive liability who is slow on the basepaths, has very little slugging power, and doesn’t walk a ton. As far as third goes, a healthy Freese is fine. Unfortunately, no such thing exists. Boog, as much as I love him, offsets most of his defensive value with his horrid offense. We should play him for his defense, but only if we upgrade at 2nd or 3rd. I realize there are some internal options, like Carpenter and Descalso. My preference would be to upgrade at 2nd, put Skip on the bench, and let Freese start at third, with Carpenter waiting in the wings if (okay…when) he goes down. I wouldn’t mind picking up Laroche to add some depth there too, as you mentioned.

by mattyp on Oct 9, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

this assumes, of course, that Carpenter is somewhat ready for the Show

I don’t know if that’s true, because I don’t follow the minors too closely. What’s the consensus?

by mattyp on Oct 9, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Based on fanposts

He looks good, but he’s 1+ years away. Best guess is he gets time in training camp next year, but spends the entire year in Memphis. Maybe ready for 2012. I will defer to the experts for greater analysis.

by JWO on Oct 9, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Disagree

Matt Carpenter is an unbelievably polished hitter and I think could come and play right away. If he needs any more seasoning, it would be for his fielding, but I think that could be overlooked, given our pressing need for 3b.

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by purple_haze on Oct 9, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

my guess is it depends on freese's health.

If freese is healthy, I expect carp II to start at memphis. If not, he might get an audition for the big club.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Oct 9, 2010 4:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

carp two diem

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like your optimism, but

I think you’re being unrealistic. Carpenter has had one season at AA level. ONE. He has played ZERO games at AAA in Memphis. Is it remotely possible he could be called up next year due to injuries? Maybe. But it would not be the ideal situation.

Again, I’m not the expert. But I would strongly recommend one more year of minor league ball.

by JWO on Oct 9, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

His approach at the plate is already better than a significant part

of the 2010 Cardinals. This isn’t free swinger that needs to adjust to better breaking balls. I think the need for Memphis is overstated but that’s probably where he’ll wind up.

Silly humans, this world is for robots.

by azruavatar on Oct 9, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kevin Goldstein at BP likes him.

His post-season review of how his pre-season top-11 lists fared specifically notes Carpenter as a boner on his part. Elsewhere, he has said he expects Carpenter to be in the mix in ST11.

I haven’t seen Carp hit, but any hitter who OPSes around 1.0 at the AA level should be presumed ready unless demonstrated otherwise, i.e., should at least be given a chance to show it in the spring.

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by StanTheManFan on Oct 9, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

if only Descalso played his natural position...

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

re: doomed us last year

honestly, i think the story of this last year is that we were unlucky.
Consider this…
We finished with an identical pythagorean record (91-71) to that of the reds, yet were five games behind them in the standings.
At seasons end, we were the team with the biggest discrepancy between pythagorean and actual record. Some team has to be that team each year… this year it was us….

I don’t deny that the team has problems with the MIF/3b, but some of those problems will be addressed simply by having Freese play a whole season there (0.341 wOBA for Freese’s 70 gms, vs overall 0.302 wOBA for STL 3bmen). Praying that brendan ryan’s season was unlucky and an abberation (he dropped ~70pts of wOBA 2009 —> 2010, and was 40pts below his career average…)

Sit pat cardinals! sit pat…

by duncans_army on Oct 9, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

please, no

In 2nd order wins, the Cards were 5.5 games behind the Reds. In 3rd order wins, the Cards were 4 games back.

In 3rd order wins, the Cards were behind the Braves, Phillies, Rockies, Giants, Padres, and Reds.

Standing pat (or sitting pat, for you Aussies) just means hoping that, perchance, 88-91 wins might be enough next year to eke out the division or a wildcard spot by a 1/2 game. That’s the plan? I hope not.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Oct 9, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm with Willie here

I think a bit evening out of Ryan’s offense will happen… but

Freese has never been able to stay healthy, skip has reached his potential, etc… we need improvement on the skill level of certain positions, and the bench.

The team as currently constructed COULD win the division/wildcard next year. But, the plan has to be improving, not getting luckier.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Oct 9, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately

The current team philosophy requires the Cards to win this way. Several elite-level players, surrounded by a team of replacement level players or the equivalent. The only way we upgrade is if ownership throws up its hands, and plays the Phillies money game.

Now… if we raise player salary to $125M, then infield upgrades get possible.

by JWO on Oct 9, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow! We are in a PICKLE!!!

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Oct 9, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Hahaha!!

Sure are! sheesh…

"I don't like to sound egotistical, but every time I stepped up to the plate with a bat in my hands, I couldn't help but feel sorry for the pitcher." Rogers hornsby.

by pattimagee on Oct 9, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

And given the philosophy and the current crop of players you describe, no one should be particularly surprised next year if the Cards don’t make the playoffs either.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Oct 9, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

explain again why we have to raise salaries by $30m

To hire one $5-6m player?

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Oct 9, 2010 5:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Also....

Even if you think Ryan’s offense is going to “even out” (i.e., improve next year to something like his still sub-.300 career wOBA) you also have to assume that his career-high defensive numbers this year will also “even out” by going down next year.

All of this is to say – Ryan’s been very inconsistent year-to-year. All told, he’s likely to be about a league-averageish 2WAR player next year, which is fine, though the bell on that probability distribution on that is likely to be wider than most. I’m fine with keeping Ryan next year as our starting SS, batting him last, and living with the fact that he’s just a good-fielding/bad hitting SS.

OTOH, I can easily envision Skippy being replacement-level again next year. Yuck.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Oct 9, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well...

I don’t have to assume a drop in his defense to reciprocate an improvement in offense. I don’t expect to continue a trend of improving defense, that would probably be a mistaken idea.

But yes, I would expect Ryan to be a high-level defender, and a below-average hitter (although, probably better than this year).

And yes, Skip is Skip. He is replacement level.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Oct 9, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I think i misread your post before I responded.

I apologize.

Either way, I agree that Boog is not a good offensive player, but I think he will maintain a high-level of defense.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Oct 9, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

And in BtB's component based and strength of schedule adjust power rankings

The Cardinals were better than the Reds:

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2010/9/16/1693689/btb-power-rankings-week-24-two

Of course that might have changed slightly over the past two weeks, but since the Cardinals played some of their best baseball then I doubt it.

I’m sick of this weird counter-optomism you have. By all accounts, the Cardinals were projected to be a 95 win team this year. They played like a 90 win team, and had the record of an 86 win team. I don’t see why we should be so weary of the talent on this team.

by vivaelpujols on Oct 9, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Can't say that I give an f that you're sick of it....

We’ll see what the team does over the winter. The fact that the Cards were “projected” by some to win 95 games at the beginning of this past season doesn’t mean crap anymore.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Oct 10, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure it does

When you combine preseason projections with seasonal performance, it creates estimation of future performance (barring changes in roster).

by vivaelpujols on Oct 11, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes unfortunately

I am not saying that skip is the starting 2b’er. I voted for the Platoon of Greene and Descalso. Some times waiting a year is the best move. This might in fact mean no playoffs next fall, but I think the long term health of the club is move important.

by nybirdfan on Oct 10, 2010 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

agree

money will drive the bus this year and i don’t see spending 5M on an infielder
they have descalso, boog, greene, freese, all at 400k plus 2.7 committed to skippy and i know at least luhnow likes solano. so, somehow this logjam has to be thinned out before it makes any sense to add players who project to be marginally better. if they sign anyone, i suspect they will make a run at miggy, or maybe hardy

if skip moves to the outfield, it puts the hurt on jay, another 400k player

to me, westbrook is a luxury they cannot afford, but will make a run at before they do an infielder. with so many righthanded relievers it seems crazy not to pencil kmac in as a starter and use the 8-10M from westbrook to make apu’s contract, which has to be +10M minimum. apu should not trot out to first base next year as the second highest paid player

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...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Oct 9, 2010 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

linkage

playoffs thread overflow

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2010 8:07 AM EDT reply actions  

and... repost.
"I was just looking for a pitch to drive, and got lucky and put a good swing on it," Ankiel said. "And I can’t explain how I feel right now. … I can’t even explain it. I’d say this is the pinnacle of everything I’ve ever done. To win a playoff game with a home run, I mean, that’s where it’s at."

link

Leach’s filing

And ladies and gentlemen, Chipper Jones:
On Ankiel
"He’s here, he’s back in the playoffs, and a hero for the Braves tonight."
"I think if you had been in here when everybody came off the field and went through the congratulatory line, you would see how people feel about him, and how all of his teammates have always felt about him. They’re always pulling for him. I mean, we absolutely mobbed him when he came in here. … I don’t think other players might have got quite the reception that he got, for the simple fact that he’s such a favorite here in the clubhouse."

On Glaus’ play
"He came off the field and said he was about to throw up. Said he’s never really been put in for defensive purposes before [Chipper is laughing here, hardly able to finish the sentence.] When they hit it, I didn’t even know he was in the game. I was like, ‘Oh, my God, that’s Troy.’
"And he made a decent throw and we got the double play. It was just fun to see his reaction, because he literally looked like he was about to heave."

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2010 8:19 AM EDT reply actions  

oops

moar Leach… the full history

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

That quote about Glaus is fantastic.

“Oh my God, that’s Troy!”

Heh.

"he and the umpire pitched a no-hitter. He gave him every pitch. Basically, we had no chance." -Orlando Cabrera, whinging eunuch.

by The Continental on Oct 9, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

The guys has dealt with hardship. He deserves his moment in the sun.

by JWO on Oct 9, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

My boy!!!!

all grown up…

"I don't like to sound egotistical, but every time I stepped up to the plate with a bat in my hands, I couldn't help but feel sorry for the pitcher." Rogers hornsby.

by pattimagee on Oct 9, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ankiel last night after the game " i hit it and i didnt even want to run the bases i just wanted to

run over to the dugout to be with the guys " Big smile from ear to ear . So good to know he’s happy . Today in SF i’m wearing my Ankiel jersey wish me luck .

"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.

by riftraftredbird on Oct 9, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's a shame these teams (SF/ATL) play each other this round

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Oct 9, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

man

never go to bed early. I retired after the 7th figuring the braves were done.

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Oct 9, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh the pain of it.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

nay

greatest experience of my life

Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter

by prophetjohn on Oct 9, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nay.

Greatest orgas-

Nevermind.

by spants on Oct 9, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions   4 recs

....

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Oct 9, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

great, now the disney memories.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

You have ruined my childhood innocence.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Oct 9, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh please, like any part of your life has been innocent

remember who you’re talking to taskmaster

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Oct 9, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ahahahahaha.

Got me sir.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Oct 10, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

same here

So glad the Braves won and doubly glad it was Ankiel that did it.

All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.
Charles M. Schulz

by spfldbird on Oct 9, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

available funds

If the Cards keep payroll about the same, other than Penny’s $7.5 M and Ludwick(Westbrook) $5.45M, is there other money coming off the books?

Next year, Lohse gets an additional $3M , Waino close to $2M more, and McClellan is arb eligible. Add in any sort of raise for Pujols and the money looks like a wash already.

by vances law on Oct 9, 2010 9:53 AM EDT reply actions  

Well said about this postseason, tom.

Except for the massive problem of the Cards not being in it, I have really enjoyed watching so far. Especially enjoyable was watching the Reds fall apart last night and Rick’s winning homer. The article by Matthew Leach that Y2S links above is very good. Definitely worth the read, the article is rather bittersweet for Cards fans.

by cardsgirl95 on Oct 9, 2010 9:58 AM EDT reply actions  

What about Toronto?

Any chance we could land a good package from them, with or without Raz? Hill? Not sure about his defense, but I like his bat. Gonzalez? Escobar? Prospects?

by Stanley1 on Oct 9, 2010 10:25 AM EDT reply actions  

ol Pete is correct - Hardy not a free agent until after 2011

He doesn’t have 6 years of service time only 5 yrs 164 days. Milwaukee sent him down to the minors on Aug 12 2009 and didn’t recall him until Sept 1. He spent 22 days in the minors and this delays his free agency until next season.

by ubeddie on Oct 9, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

now that you mention that

i remember it happening

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twatter

by prophetjohn on Oct 9, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

but

do the twins want to give him a raise over the $5.1MM he’s making this year?

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Oct 9, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I remember that big flap

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

from the archives

LINK
may be the only call I got right in the last few seasons.

by ubeddie on Oct 9, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

well have a merit badge for the road

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

you know with minorleaguesplits down,

And cot’s with the wrong info, I should really just give up.

Also, why do the brewers have to mess up my post?

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by tom s. on Oct 9, 2010 2:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I am still waiting for tomorrows post The Outfield

I bet it starts with “Josie’s on a vacation far away”

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by TomCat009 on Oct 9, 2010 10:34 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

I don't know too much about the infield...

Orlando Hudson also looks like a nice piece to have manning 2B. JJ Hardy showed alot of pop to his bat, but that was 2 years ago. I think trading Rasmus would be a mistake. I thought the focus has been on developing from within, but I’m not sure how successful we’ve been, at least with the MIF. I like Skip, but he seems like he could be a jack-of-all-trades, master-of-none type of player (ok occassionally in OF, 2B), like a better Aaron Miles, that my girlfriend has a crush on.

I didn’t have a chance to get on during the games last night. As awesome as this postseason has been (at least the NL side), my favorite moment came last night. I always loved Rick Ankiel: his promise,his heartbreak, his redemption, his legendary throws, his facebreak, his slide into obscurity. I didn’t want the Cardinals to get rid of him (purely emotional reasons), but understood why they did. I was glad that he went to the Royals (they have easy-to-please fanbase, I can see him live 2-3 games a year), and was really glad when he got traded to the Braves (playoffs?!?). Seeing him crush that ball into McCovey Cove made me so joyful. I actually stood up and screamed, like he was a Cardinals player. Way to go Swingin’ Dick!

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Oct 9, 2010 10:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Skip is the master of the ladies' hearts

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

he's one of the guys where I understand the universal crush...

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Oct 9, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

well I guess I could've just put that as a reply above...

sigh…

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Oct 9, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

'sok. We're all celebrating The Ricker right now.

"he and the umpire pitched a no-hitter. He gave him every pitch. Basically, we had no chance." -Orlando Cabrera, whinging eunuch.

by The Continental on Oct 9, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

in VEB spreading meme disease

some Yahoo picked up Santa Glaus
and Leach just picked up Good news, everyone

VEB may have to get…… creative.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2010 10:40 AM EDT reply actions  

My dad on Miles & Stavinoah:

“So WAR could be renamed WIS, What I See. Because what I see are 2 crappy players that look a like. And I see that one of them seems to help us more as a 19th inning pitcher.”

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Oct 9, 2010 10:53 AM EDT reply actions  

Does this count as Shit My Dad Says?

Your pop seems like he knows what’s what.

"he and the umpire pitched a no-hitter. He gave him every pitch. Basically, we had no chance." -Orlando Cabrera, whinging eunuch.

by The Continental on Oct 9, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah he' a smart dude.

He had a pretty wicked curveball too. He once told me “you think it’s going to hit you in the chin, but then…nutshot.” I guess he only beaned people with it…

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Oct 9, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

can someone look up all the firsts just from the last three days?

well, I can start, but I’m surely missing some. or will be wrong.

Playoff appearances — Halladay, Lincecum, Liriano, Heyward, Sweeney… I’m missing a bunch of pitchers, and whole teams of course.
all the stats related to the no-hitter
yeah, I’ll be fair … BP’s homer another “since when” though it might’ve been a Reds record
two playoff teams relinquishing 4 run leads on the same day
first playoff splashdown since Barry Bonds

ex-Cards out there
Rolen, (Edmonds,) Renteria, Ankiel, Glaus
NL Central alumni
Berkman, Oswalt, Lidge, DLee … I don’t really count Pettitte anymore

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2010 10:58 AM EDT reply actions  

managers ejected

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

And then there's the Twins inexplicable streak

of getting leads against the Yankess, then losing.

"he and the umpire pitched a no-hitter. He gave him every pitch. Basically, we had no chance." -Orlando Cabrera, whinging eunuch.

by The Continental on Oct 9, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

new SC with the baseball highlights

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2010 11:00 AM EDT reply actions  

WARNING

they show the old footage.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

they're showing 2000 ankiel?

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 9, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

15 seconds of footage is an eternity

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

those bastards

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Oct 9, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would love to see Drew here

not for the price of Colby though

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Oct 9, 2010 11:07 AM EDT reply actions  

me too . Isnt there someone else we could trade for Drew ? Loshe? then make K-Mac a starter.

"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.

by riftraftredbird on Oct 9, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Mo could trade Lohse for Drew....

I’d chalk that up as one of the greatest moves by a GM of all time. Unfortunately I think it would take someone like Jamie/Miller to get Drew if we are dealing from pitching.

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Oct 9, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well on MLB2k10...

I successfully traded Lohse, Adam Ottavino and Josh Kinney for Cole Hamels… think that would work?

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Oct 9, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah but i think i'd rather work on the infield at this point . i cant bear to see Miles and

Felix out there again . really it just can’t happen .

"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.

by riftraftredbird on Oct 9, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

i hope Mo has been watching and taking stock of all the great Cardinal players

that got away and are now in the playoffs. TLR ’s ways of dealing with guys must be crossing his mind.

"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.

by riftraftredbird on Oct 9, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great Cardinal players?

You me Rolen?

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Oct 9, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't forget Polanco! Glaus! Ankiel! Cairo! Oliver! Edmonds?

I don’t think there are more ex-Cards playing than there are of any other random team.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Oct 9, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

yes and ank and glaus and i know some were hurt and useless at the time

but look at them now and look what we have on our infield other than AP and boog.

"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.

by riftraftredbird on Oct 9, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Polanco is the only ex-Card

that would even be a fit on our current team.

And Rick Ankiel is still a terrible, terrible hitter, game winning HR and all.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Oct 9, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I still would have Rolen's peak years

than Polanco right now.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Oct 9, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

that would RATHER have...

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Oct 9, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

but none of those were a result of TLR's "ways"

If it were up to TLR Ankiel would still be on the team I’m sure. Edmonds was traded because he couldn’t deal with not starting, and hasn’t had a good healthy year since with 4 different teams since. (and didn’t make the NLDS roster). Edmonds problems with TLR came after his trade and was more media driven than honest issues. Glaus had health issues and isn’t even a 3rd baseman anymore. He plays first for the Braves. (i know he was in at 3rd yesterday, which is why Ankiel was quoted as saying “‘Oh, my God, that’s Troy.” When he watched the play.

Why are you blaming TLR for the GM’s moves?

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Oct 9, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

i dont know i'm just sick of him and the tense atmosphere in the clubhouse

and the playing of shitty used up old fucked up players that nobody else would even play anymore and i have to go to work now instead of watch playoff baseball . peace out

"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.

by riftraftredbird on Oct 9, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

eery

some of us have had this discussion before

/if colby is included, blame matty

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Oct 9, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

MoneyBart

This week’s Simpsons is VEB approved.

In an effort to broaden her extracurricular horizons, Lisa decides to manage Bart’s little league team. Using statistics and probabilities, Lisa leads the team to an incredible winning streak.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Oct 9, 2010 11:34 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

So we need to hire Lisa Simpson? Can she takeover for TLR?

Baseball makes the world go 'round, or at least in my world it does.

by Whiteyballer on Oct 9, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

asap

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Oct 9, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Johnson without giving up Rasmus

For my money, this would be the best case scenario. Losing Colby is too high a price, but if the Cardinals have other pieces that the D-Backs would take (for example, Descalso, Craig, Jay, etc.), then it bears exploration. I don’t know what Arizona’s full needs are, but that would represent a better fit.

Johnson is probably at his peak value right now. The good news is everyone knows it. Even if he regresses slightly, I would enjoy seeing him covering 2B, with Schumaker moved into a backup position for second, rightfield and centerfield. Skip could still get a good 250AB a year, and be a nice bench player.

But again, I’m not familiar enough with Arizona’s priorities in the offseason. Maybe I’m just daydreaming at the moment.

by JWO on Oct 9, 2010 11:42 AM EDT reply actions  

hudson would be a great fit

he’s also great in the clubhouse, and to me the clubhouse lacks personality on the team – one of the reasons i like joey bombs being on the big league squad. i think that he’d be fairly cheap too.

by zoomzoomj88 on Oct 9, 2010 12:08 PM EDT reply actions  

if we can sign hudson for cheap of course that would be a good option for 2b

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 9, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

sign pitching

leave boog at ss, and hope that freese will not get hurt and set up some sort of competition to win the 2b spot. I’m thinking Descalsco is the guy there.

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 9, 2010 1:03 PM EDT reply actions  

losing formula imo

but I’ve been wrong before, I guess

by mattyp on Oct 9, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

please, explain what we could possibly do

sign jj hardy? that’s about the only good option, and he will probably be overpriced

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 9, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

btw

would jj hardy be ok with playing 2b? another good question

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 9, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

doubtful...unless no one offers him a SS gig.

Guys just don’t agree to play less-premium, different defensive positions unless they are literally forced to. I don’t think Hardy’s career is to the point that someone won’t sign him to play SS.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Oct 9, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 9, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

my main worry is Freese

he needs to not get hurt, but I have no idea how durable he is now

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 9, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

at least Tyler Greene could play there

except it seems like the org does not like this option (feliz)

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 9, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

So i was poking around fangraphs yesterday

and I would be thrilled if Jon Jay can turn into Shane Victorino. I suppose that would be his realistic ceiling. He needs to be the + RFer that he appears to be to the eyes, cut down his K rate, and maybe work on the BB rate. If he can do that, we could have a 13+ WAR outfield next year.

Regarding the infield situation, Hardy appears to be the savviest (most savvy?)option. And, yes, I know everyone here, myself included, is sick and tired of playing people at positions that are not their natural one, but could Hardy be a type of Freese insurance? My memory of Hardy is that he is a a bigger than normal SS, although according to the metrics he has exceptional range (well, consistently positive). He could be one to give Freese a day off here and there, hopefully reducing the risk of injury. Hardy could play the super-sub role that Lopez tried (and for the first half, save the injury, succeeded at), or he could just take over at 2B. Unfortunately, with TLR’s faith in Schu, evidenced by the use of Descalso at 3B instead of his natural position, I don’t see Hardy displacing Schumaker, barring injury or massive underperformance (like if he hit like Ryan did). That’s why Descalso, Greene and company seem like the most likely answer, because it won’t upset the existing dynamic and it"s cost effective. Assuming the money to sign Hardy is available, signing him seems prudent, because you’d still have the young guys waiting in the wings when something goes wrong.

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by jacksonian on Oct 9, 2010 1:20 PM EDT reply actions  

if we can get Hardy to be a super sub type of player, that would be ideal

I just don’t think it is going to happen… there’s gotta be some team in dire need of a shortstop, right?

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 9, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

The O's just lost Itzuris to free agency

Also, ol Pete pointed out that JJ Hardy is not a free agent. Acquisition will require a trade and some serious cash. Last time Mo tried this we ended up with K Greene and lost Gregerson.

by ubeddie on Oct 9, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah,he's not really an option imo

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 9, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

unless not offered arb?

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Oct 9, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 9, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

i don't think jay has near enough power

before his .427 slugging percentage, he had two straight .440 seasons… plus he’s not as fast… doesn’t steal bases…and as a best case scenario, yes he can get on base as much but

.342 OBP with a .301 BABIP… Jay has a .350 OBP with a .350 BABIP… just saying i don’t think he’s capable of being victorino (hence i don’t think its his realistic ceiling)…

also career wOBA is .339 with .301 BABIP… jay’s is .341 with a .350 BABIP…

by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 9, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

But Jay obviously has some good raw power

His homerun against the Nationals shows that. He could improve on his power numbers going forward.

by vivaelpujols on Oct 9, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 9, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, and so does pagnozzi

sorry i couldn’t resist

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Oct 9, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

heh

I guess I had that coming. Then again, if Jay improved as much as Pags would have to to be a league average player, he would be Albert Pujols.

by vivaelpujols on Oct 9, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Matias, er, Martinez has a visa!

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2010 2:03 PM EDT reply actions  

you forgot the part where you link to a source

Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter

by prophetjohn on Oct 9, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Enrique_Rojas1- Moises Rodriguez said he think Martinez will play in Class A, but he need prove madurity in s. trainings. Remember Pujols file.

I am the Batman .
@CodeeG

by CodyG on Oct 9, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

you know, I'm not that meh that the Cards lost out on a real playoff shot this year

but to my dying day I may never get over that 2009 squad never getting a shot at a ring.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2010 2:53 PM EDT reply actions  

it won't be that group, though.

they slogged through all those rebuilding years, and now we’re pretty close to breaking up the set.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah. that was hard

the regular season assuaged it, some, though. the playoffs are always a crapshoot.
last year just seemed like they finally had a glimmer of a way in, given how the opponents were, who was healthy at the same time, and that whole thing where Halladay wasn’t in the league.

now the pieces are getting reshuffled. changing of the guard. and this team is just not staying together long enough for another go at it.

at least there’s the Mafia, but they’re getting old too.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like you said, the playoffs are a crapshoot.

Same as 2009. They had their shot. Both teams blew it, and both were swept out of the playoffs.

Oh well. At least there is good baseball right now.

by spants on Oct 9, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, what I meant, was a shot at the Series

and the core group of players, not team qua team.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

04 never, ever happend

it was so sad all those meteors hit all of the ballparks the day after the regular season ended. i’m still amazed they rebuilt them in time for the 05 season

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Oct 9, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

naw 2004 happened

but it was the most magical season that never ended…

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Oct 10, 2010 4:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

this

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 9, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

hmmm...
tyler greene i am beginning to sour on – while a better option than miles or feliz, he has not shown signs of translating his minor league performance to the majors

but he has 212 career at-bats, they’ve done nothing to let him prove he’s bad… or good… we need to give hims some PAs so that he can prove himself – his low BABIP and power numbers plus plus defense strikes me as it being worth it

by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 9, 2010 2:58 PM EDT reply actions  

plus D?

one handed off to the side, w/a scatter arm.
5th outfielder.

by ball in play on Oct 9, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm not against giving him PAs. i'm against assuming

He’ll be more than a utility infielder. I’m not sure I believe at this point that he’s a plus defender, given what I said about him not having put together a positive fielding season in the majors pr minors in some time (like I said minorleagueplits is down but his defense in 08 and 09 ranked as poor).

200 PAs is a third of a season. It’s not much, but it’s not nothing. Maybe he has a breakout 2011, maybe he doesn’t.

To me, he seems like option b or c at most of our positions, not option a.

"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."

by tom s. on Oct 9, 2010 4:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

So the 27th out

wasn’t happy with the blown call at 2nd in last nights game.

How about he accepts a little responsibility for the play. If he had played it properly and stretched to the ball, it would have been a no doubt out. Instead he played it like he would have a shot at a double play and stayed at the bag.

Then there’s the idiotic play later in the inning where he turned the wrong way on the relay throw to the plate and dropped the ball on the exchange. Brandon Phillips just makes it easier and easier to hate Brandon Phillips.

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by scoot on Oct 9, 2010 3:45 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

yes

its not exactly common…..but its not exactly uncommon for the 2nd baseman to stretch for a ball once in a while…i guess utley’s slide may have flustered him

but i think he was out anyway

by guillermozeliak on Oct 9, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually it is, or should be

common for a 2nd baseman to realize a situation where the double play is not an option but getting the lead runner is. In those situations, you set up like a first baseman and stretch. Both situations were mental errors on Phillips part that cost his team.

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by scoot on Oct 9, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

OBP/Team speed

How do these infield candidates compare with OBP and speed? I feel that the most disappointing aspect of Schu is his uninspiring OBP and inability to steal. I know Mozeliak has said he’s looking for more pop, but perhaps the cards would be better served focusing on other offensive aspects.

by eephuspieces on Oct 9, 2010 4:20 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

going off pure memory, hudson and johnson

Have career OBPs over .350. A lot of the rest of the crowd is in the .320-.340 range. I couldn’t say offhand anything about speed.

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by tom s. on Oct 9, 2010 4:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

we need better obp's guys

for the MIF…we will never win a WS w/ Ryan/Schu…they cost us too many wins especially after Freese was done

FA market looks too expensive……i rather see some big trades

pray to god that greene/descalso come to life if the FO wont spend money or somehow Ryan/Schu turn it around (which i dont think will happen)

by guillermozeliak on Oct 9, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

if you look at our team batting average, it was quite good

but our team on base percentage was pretty bad. we need both more speed and more walks

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 9, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

average feast and famine

does make one healthy

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Oct 9, 2010 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Makes most sense to get a good SS...

….Zach Cox probably a year or two away at 2b. Descalso/Greene/Schu could battle for 2b. I would try like hell to trade for Drew without giving up Miller or Rasmus. Might be possible. D-backs need bullpen help. Ryan/Lynn/McClellan or something close might get it done. Would save AZ money and give them pitching help. I’d love to see Drew/Descalso up the middle next year.

by jackclark on Oct 9, 2010 4:53 PM EDT reply actions  

oh yeah

what do you know? You just got canned.

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by scoot on Oct 9, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

too soon

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by gdm426 on Oct 9, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

why does it make the most sense to get a SS

when 2B is more upgradeable?

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 9, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because we have Descalso, then Cox at 2b....

…and no one worth a damn coming up at SS. Brendan Ryan will never be able to hit and in a few years when his freakish quickness starts to go away, his defensive edge will go away. Drew and Descalso is much better than Ryan/Hudson.

by jackclark on Oct 9, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

meh

let’s just say, I will be VERY surpised if Drew ends up on the Cardinals

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 9, 2010 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

we don't have descalsco

.649 MLE!!! Skip, as much as i defend the dude, sucks about as bad… cox also isn’t coming up… (see: brett wallace)

Brendan Ryan will never be able to hit and in a few years when his freakish quickness starts to go away, his defensive edge will go away.

this makes zero sense… he’s… 27… in a few years… we may also have already drafted a big-time SS, Greene may be the real deal, or who the hell knows, this is strictly 2011 and in 2011 Brendan Ryan will be amazing at defense…

by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 10, 2010 2:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't get the descalso love.

Other than a good AA season in hitter’s park in a hitter’s league, he’s had a rather modest offensive output.

Silly humans, this world is for robots.

by azruavatar on Oct 9, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Small sample size on the ML roster.

Same reason trading Ludwick and giving Jay the RF job made sense to people at the time.

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by Alxfritz on Oct 10, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

i want alex gonzalez at 2nd next year, and if we cant have him i want jj hardy

and if we cant have him, then i say we drink, drink, drink. then drink some more

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by gdm426 on Oct 9, 2010 5:01 PM EDT reply actions  

alex gonzalez isn't that good

but i wouldn’t be surprised if he’s one of the 15-20 homer guys that mo’ might have his eye on

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by prophetjohn on Oct 9, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think he'd be better at second than SS

and since the Cards tried to trade for him this year i think it’s a safe bet they’ll try & sign him this winter

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by gdm426 on Oct 9, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

switching to 2B

isn’t really going to improve his career sub-.300 OBP

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by prophetjohn on Oct 9, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

i hadnt look at his numbers in depth yet, i thought he was better than that

i wonder if switching leagues & getting out of the AL East would improve that?

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by gdm426 on Oct 9, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

his last 300 PAs have been in the NL east

.240/.291/.386

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by prophetjohn on Oct 9, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

aw poop

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by gdm426 on Oct 9, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

he sucks though

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 9, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

also if anyone wants to

know the clinical definition of bipolar you should check out the GT overflow #4 at talking chop….
“farnsworth and ankiel worst trade ever”
“ankiel should pitch the 13th whats the wost that could happen”
“farnsworth and ankiel best trade ever”
“ankiel u awesome worthless piece of shit!!!!”

ankiel u suck/ankiel marry me

by guillermozeliak on Oct 9, 2010 5:03 PM EDT reply actions  

My first option?

I would probably take a look at Jose Reyes. If the Mets are serious about rebuilding the team, then Reyes will be one of the first to go. He has an 11m club option for 2011, and I would probably ask the Mets to accept it, then ask for roughly half the salary and give away someone like Jay or Craig with another B prospect. This probably won’t be enough, but I see some upside for Reyes, and see his most recent season as an aberration.

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-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Oct 9, 2010 5:17 PM EDT reply actions  

i would love to have reyes

his last season he was recovering from injury. either way his performance might bring his value down. i didn’t know the mets were in rebuilding mode, though

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by prophetjohn on Oct 9, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

i doubt the mets trade reyes, and they certainly

Are not going to throw in money if they do, unless we give up a much better player.

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by tom s. on Oct 9, 2010 5:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Depends.

They aren’t a financially constricted team, so if they got actual talent in return, they will probably consider it. But then again, I think it will require more than what I put on the table to convince them to trade him.

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-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Oct 9, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

like a van and a motivated mascot

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

that didn't work out so well last offseason

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by scoot on Oct 9, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

the only player i want from the pond scum is wright

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by gdm426 on Oct 9, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

MLB wants me, a subrsciber of MLB.tv

for like 3 years to buy a subscription of postseason.tv so i can get shitty camera angles and no announcers. wat. i assumed that would come with my current subscription. i should have known i was dealing with MLB, here

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by prophetjohn on Oct 9, 2010 6:49 PM EDT reply actions  

MLB does everything they can to make sure their fans cannot enjoy their product

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by gdm426 on Oct 9, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

So let me get this straight...

I have Dish Network, and LIVE in Columbia, and I dont get to watch the Tigers play?

by brindled on Oct 9, 2010 7:51 PM EDT reply actions  

blame Fox, they are trying to put Dish out of biz so DTV is the only satellite company

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by gdm426 on Oct 9, 2010 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

how do you know which is to blame?

Fox or Dish? Just curious. I haven’t read anything that truly tells which is to blame.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Oct 9, 2010 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still havent been able to figure out the truth

Each site says the other is to blame and quotes different numbers as “Fact” so i dunno. But it sucks that both are willing to put the customer in the middle of this battle.

by brindled on Oct 9, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

i agree whole heartedly

its not being handle professionally at all from either side.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Oct 9, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

There are not very many professions in this world where you can stick it to your customers and still have them required to pay you for a service you are no longer providing. I feel if Dish no longer carries FX or fox or whatever, then i should no longer be charged for that service. If it TRULY is Foxs fault, as dish claims, shouldnt my price go down if you refuse to pay them? I dont get to pay dish less because I feel like their prices have gone up too much since i signed the contract.

by brindled on Oct 9, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm going with Fox because they've been trying to get Dish out of biz for years

this is just their latest attempt at unfairly over charging Dish customers or flat out denying them programing. they’ve already successfully denied them from the NFL, & MLB. now they are trying to deprive them half of their college football games. pardon my french but it’s bullshit & i’m sick & tired of it

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by gdm426 on Oct 9, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

gdm, you can't be serious

dish is making a killing off selling ad time to local advertisers and giving none of that profit to fsn. they just want their cut. it’s a business. and they have to somehow pay for that rangers contract. they’re both greedy

the dumbest part is, i would actually pay an extra dollar or two a month to keep the programming. but is anyone even giving me that option? noooo

i hate them both. they can just come out and say we want more money, pay it, instead of this fiasco

..i miss ludriguez-wick..
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by d-dee on Oct 9, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

ya i'm serious

Fox has totally screwed over Dish one to many times. yes they all make millions, but when is enough enough? i don’t blame Dish for telling Fox to shove it.

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by gdm426 on Oct 9, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

billions gdm, BILLIONS

they can both suck it

when do programmers finally realize the way to go is sell optional subscriptions over the internet like mlbtv?

..i miss ludriguez-wick..
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by d-dee on Oct 9, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

GETWAHTIPAIDFORDOTCOM!

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by prophetjohn on Oct 9, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

honestly i think they both can go to hell

i’m about to cancel it & just go with time warner. at least then when it rains or snows i won’t lose the signal

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by gdm426 on Oct 9, 2010 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

already did that

and the other option is to call 310-369-1000 and complain to Fox

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Oct 9, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I swear to God

if Uverse ever would come to my area I would buy that so fast, but never…

by jealousblues on Oct 11, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

i expected more offense out of both the rays & rangers tonight

2 runs is nothing to overcome in that ballpark. come on rangers

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by gdm426 on Oct 9, 2010 8:30 PM EDT reply actions  

my mom went to HS with Nipperts dad, true story

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by gdm426 on Oct 9, 2010 8:32 PM EDT reply actions  

good to see the Rays are finally starting to do well

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 9, 2010 8:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Rays woke up

Cliff Lee warming

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by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2010 8:35 PM EDT reply actions  

you cant throw him a fastball right down the f'ing middle of the plate

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by gdm426 on Oct 9, 2010 8:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Twins V Yanks is on TNT

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by gdm426 on Oct 9, 2010 8:37 PM EDT reply actions  

thats one

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by gdm426 on Oct 9, 2010 8:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Bring back Lugo.

But seriously I wouldn’t be adverse to kicking the tires on Juan Uribe.

The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun

by mob16151 on Oct 9, 2010 8:46 PM EDT reply actions  

team chemistry is always something to worry about

and i think since Tony is so strict and business like in its demeanor as opposed to bobby cox its easy to think were to anxious or people aren’t meshing because of the way he manages a team

but like others say we dont see much behind the scenes…everythings fine

by guillermozeliak on Oct 9, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

the 'personality' thing concerns me a lot

or ‘team chemistry’ or whatever you want to call it. Beginning with the tight-assed Larussa and his stone-faced shadow, Duncan, I feel we are victims of our own-making miasma.
Who IS the ‘personality’ on this club? That is, who provides the (not necesssarily on the field) energy and fun. Seems to me it boils down to Boog and Yadi.
Boog gets stifled, and punished, and relegated to being a flake; Yadi is fine, especially coming from a catcher (field leader, too), but it’s not enough.
Consider the main five, the no-doubt heart of the club – Pujols, Holliday, Waino, (the appropriately named) Carp, Rasmus: too much diffidence, cockiness, intimidation, lead by example, put it on MY shoulders-ism..
I was much in favor of getting Hudson (the O-dog one) the last two springs, but with his declining skills, and watching him a little more than before, I fear he would be something like a rich man’s Brandon Phillips (i.e. no thank you) and besides he would not make a crack in the above hickory nut.
The seven mentioned at the beginning (LaDunc, and the big five) are who they are, unlikely to change. But something needs to stir things up; I don’t know what or who.

by the Tewk on Oct 9, 2010 8:46 PM EDT reply actions  

the man stew is just fine the way it is

there is plenty that goes on that we don’t know about, and to a man (other than Lopez’s venture into the bizarre), they say they love this group and they love the chemistry. the Memphis Mafia is similarly tight, and there is a strong streak of competing-while-helping-each-other.

and also elaborate handshake-dances and cheesy dance parties and hair grooming pacts.

what they need to do is get on base (AND DON’T MAKE OUTS THERE, YOU BUMS) so guys who are decent hitters stop panicking, and Albert and Matt have guys on base to score for them so they don’t panic. including constructing the lineup so they can do that without giving the other team an excuse to walk Albert.

screw the chemistry. it’s not the problem.

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by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I haven't heard about the Lopez venture

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 9, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

BJ Insu-rains spilled it

apparently he was right by his bud Albert, place of honor etc, when for reasons not told to snivelly reporters he moved to what amounted to a broom closet in the corner, which he named

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by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Club Flip

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by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

woh

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 9, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

ya Floppy got really sloppy & he had to go

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by gdm426 on Oct 9, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

you think Rasmus is cocky?

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 9, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes

Baseball players are suppose to be cocky.

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Oct 10, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

they are?

they have to be sure of their abilities but i’d consider that more confident than cocky….

by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 11, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can sort of see what you are saying about those players

except, they are mlb elite players, playing alongside some people that will hardly get mentioned in the media, and who are or will never be elite players.

I don’t really see this as a bad thing though, just an attribute of the team’s construction. it could actually be a good thing so the younger players see some good habits of some of the best ballplayers in the league.

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 9, 2010 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean on bad days, Albert or Matt might get a little egotistical, but what ya gonna do

they are who they are

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 9, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Albert gets cranky when he's dealing with the aches and pains

and really, he’s being pulled in several different directions.
quite frankly, unless he and Yadi are into weird shit, and they’re producing at even a fraction of their peak, I don’t care how many breaks they take. it’s not like they’re never involved with the team.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2010 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

in my head I was thinking about things such as

Albert consistently ranging way far to his right on ground balls, saying, in effect, we don’t HAVE a second baseman.
And about Holliday, when the ump calls a strike on a borderline pitch, consistently walking out of the box 20 feet and murmuring and grumbling like Troy Glaus used to, thus get distracted and not have the at-bat he should have.
And about Colby robotically watching two strikes on the outside corner, and, down 0-2, wildly jerking at the next “hittable” (in his mind) pitch he sees.
And about Carp’s ugly double scolding of Boog, and his undeniably central role in accelerating the melee with Cincy.

by the Tewk on Oct 9, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

uuhhh
  1. fielding
  2. walking out of the box in order to calm down
  3. so he can walk + the umpires don’t give him that corner
  4. Boog deserved it, that wasn’t aimed at Boog, and Tony La Russa had far more to do with escalating that than Carp.

none of these are chemistry. they’re not even all negative.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

you're projecting.

by the way.

there are copious screencaps and quotes to the contrary.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2010 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

everyone is allowed to have a bad day and get cranky

if you’re tossed into high pressure competition pretty much every day and you’re losing i find it absolutely excusable and even good to be upset
i’ve seen even albert and yadi angrily gesture at each other
as long as they’re not assholes to one another off the field, i have no problem with who’s behaving how

..i miss ludriguez-wick..
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by d-dee on Oct 9, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah poop, go Yanks

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by gdm426 on Oct 9, 2010 8:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh, look. Stickpuck.

1 – 0 Bluenote.

"he and the umpire pitched a no-hitter. He gave him every pitch. Basically, we had no chance." -Orlando Cabrera, whinging eunuch.

by The Continental on Oct 9, 2010 8:47 PM EDT reply actions  

do the twins get swept?

hmm

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 9, 2010 9:06 PM EDT reply actions  

kind of looks like they might uh?

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by gdm426 on Oct 9, 2010 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

ouch, Yanks 1st base coach just go rowshamboed by the ODog

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by gdm426 on Oct 9, 2010 9:38 PM EDT reply actions  

oh Joe,,,,

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by gdm426 on Oct 9, 2010 9:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Mama Molina calls up and rescinds his honorary membership

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

i feel bad for the Twins, they have just completely fallen apart

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by gdm426 on Oct 9, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is a recurring postseason theme with them.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 9, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

they just can't beat the Yankees

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by gdm426 on Oct 9, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

who the fuck can? that billion dollar lineup is inpenetrable

..i miss ludriguez-wick..
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by d-dee on Oct 9, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

wait a minute here . Twinkies show signs of life ?

"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.

by riftraftredbird on Oct 9, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

2001 Dbags

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by gdm426 on Oct 9, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

anyone else have that horrible feeling creeping up

that this will be the yankee’s 28th?

..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Oct 9, 2010 9:52 PM EDT reply actions  

old hermit crab heaves itself up on the sand

“But parity is working!”

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

it ain't over till it's over

but i don’t think it would be all that horrible if it was #28

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by gdm426 on Oct 9, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

what?

no. just no
be ashamed of yourself

..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Oct 9, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh i'm ashamed alright, really, really ashamed

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by gdm426 on Oct 9, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

FYI: TBS needs to drop the constant Pitch Trax

In the Texas game it just showed how bad the PU was.

He wasn’t calling high or low strikes.

by thepainguy on Oct 9, 2010 9:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Rays been jobbed the whole series

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

but i want to know how bad the hpu is

i hope the constant pitch trax sticks

..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Oct 9, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Valid point

Maybe it’s the only way to drive change.

by thepainguy on Oct 9, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

crawford K was ridiculous

what if they had wendlestadt in that crew too……..i wouldnt even know what a strike is as a batter

by guillermozeliak on Oct 9, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Was it wrong of me to wear my Ankiel Jersey to work today ? In SF i guess it was

at this point one moar scar isnt gonna matter (sigh)

"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.

by riftraftredbird on Oct 9, 2010 10:04 PM EDT reply actions  

nah, ank earned the recognition

and who you root for is your business

..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Oct 9, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's only wrong if you weren't wearing pants

wait, you live in SanFan, so even that wouldn’t be wrong

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by gdm426 on Oct 9, 2010 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions   5 recs

pants jokes!

Alright, joined the thread at the right time.

by lightbulb on Oct 9, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

pants jokes are right in my wheel house

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by gdm426 on Oct 9, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

REC

Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter

by prophetjohn on Oct 9, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

i almost wore mine

it needed to be washed, though

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twatter

by prophetjohn on Oct 9, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it was fine

Besides, they’ll give you a hard time about it after the Giants win in 4.

by lightbulb on Oct 9, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

true that . i did get in a jam today though and on second thought i might have

listened to the wife . Nah

"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.

by riftraftredbird on Oct 9, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

what happened?

and what the hell do you do that you can go to work wearing a baseball jersey?

..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Oct 9, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's a Saturday

If you’re at the office on Saturday, you can wear pretty much any shirt you want. Pants or no pants.

by lightbulb on Oct 9, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

well it's a good thing i did wear pants

cause at some point my boss showed up too (thankfully, also wearing pants)

..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Oct 9, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

i own a grocery store and had a customer try to start a fight

"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.

by riftraftredbird on Oct 9, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

go on

..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Oct 9, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

well i'm 6' 3 " and i used my powers of persuasion.

and being from St Louis i settled it with beer.

"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.

by riftraftredbird on Oct 9, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

BEER!

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by gdm426 on Oct 9, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

yes !

"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.

by riftraftredbird on Oct 9, 2010 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

they're gonna send us to prison for jerks

for having vague ideas of the way to turn each other on again

Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter

by prophetjohn on Oct 9, 2010 10:11 PM EDT reply actions  

uh. . . what?

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Oct 9, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Coleman!

A Coleman mention…from Craig Seger no less.

by lightbulb on Oct 9, 2010 10:24 PM EDT reply actions  

oh my god, they're talking about Vince

and the TARP

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2010 10:24 PM EDT reply actions  

i bet no more than 3 people on TBS remember the tarp eating Vince

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by gdm426 on Oct 9, 2010 10:26 PM EDT reply actions  

okay, someone give me the story

..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Oct 9, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

so is that when they killed the tarp computer

and went back to the grounds crew taking care of the tarp?

..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Oct 9, 2010 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

You honestly don't know the story of the tarp eating Coleman?

Must be younger than too many of us.

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by StanTheManFan on Oct 9, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

she's Dominican Turk!

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by gdm426 on Oct 9, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

also a foreigner

..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Oct 9, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

You think he ever has flashbacks when they roll the tarp out?

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 9, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

he probably thinks about it when his ankle aches.

"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.

by riftraftredbird on Oct 9, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

so um...
"Jay Bruce is a Golden Glove outfielder, Brandon Phillips is a Golden Glove second baseman, Scotty Rolen was a Golden Glove third baseman, and those guys rarely make mistakes," Baker said.

anyone care to say what’s wrong with this?

..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Oct 9, 2010 10:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Everything except the part about Rolen?

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 9, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

nope

WLB won one in 08.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 9, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

perhaps with all those golden glovers

one of them would take the time to teach Johnny Cueto to fight like a man

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Oct 9, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think you got the referrence

and you win the thread

..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Oct 9, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

sweet

but what were we thinking picking a fight with a bunch of top tier boxers?

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Oct 9, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't know if this is nexdef'd

Jabba the Gwynn to get cancer treatment

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 9, 2010 10:55 PM EDT reply actions  

said it was 'cause of the dip

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

dip is banned in MiLB?

..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Oct 9, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

i dunno

but Gwynn said he has mouth-area cancer because of it

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

i know joe garagiola got teams to stop buying it for the players

but i’m not sure it’s banned

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by gdm426 on Oct 9, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

here

rules

..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Oct 9, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

i knew it was banned in the minors&the MLB teams dont buy it anymore

i just didn’t think it was banned in the MLB

and barf, thanks for sending me to lance’s site. barf

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by gdm426 on Oct 9, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

i really hate kerry wood

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by gdm426 on Oct 9, 2010 11:26 PM EDT reply actions  

smoltziiiii

..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Oct 9, 2010 11:35 PM EDT reply actions  

another ALCS for the Yankees

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by gdm426 on Oct 9, 2010 11:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Arggghh fuck the yankees

"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.

by riftraftredbird on Oct 9, 2010 11:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Nick Swisher is the only one who looks like he's not a robot

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 9, 2010 11:45 PM EDT reply actions  

the Yankees do seam to suck the fun out of winning sometimes

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by gdm426 on Oct 9, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

would it really take Jay, McClellan and Anderson

Just to get Scutaro? That seems like a lot for a guy who is that old and some of his offense has to be attributed to playing in Boston. That seems way to steep. I would not get rid of Rasmus no matter what. There is no way with us resigning Pujols we can afford to give him up. I would love to see Drew in St.Louis and I’m not so sure it would HAVE to involve Rasmus, Miller, or Jaime. Obviously it would take a whole lot to get him (assuming ARZ would even want to deal him in the first place), but ARZ really needs pitching, esp bullpen help, so maybe like Boggs/Kmac+Sanchez+Jay+Anderson could pull it off. Probably not but that would be great.

Right handed relief seems to be our one area of depth and if we are going to resign Westbrook I would like to see us deal McClellan. I wouldn’t mind seeing us let Westy walk n Kmac start to free up some cash though.

by mick311 on Oct 10, 2010 12:19 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

tbs doing their segment on Ankiel next

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 10, 2010 12:20 AM EDT reply actions  

Gardenhire with a sense of humor.

Wants to know where Sager gets his suits.

"he and the umpire pitched a no-hitter. He gave him every pitch. Basically, we had no chance." -Orlando Cabrera, whinging eunuch.

by The Continental on Oct 10, 2010 12:30 AM EDT reply actions  

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