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Top Five: Good Things to Take from the 2010 Season

Hey, look at that confidence poll bottoming out! Over there, on my right—we've crawled all the way to 29. That means it must be the offseason. The Hot Stove League isn't truly in session until the baseball season is over, but I'm starting to feel the move to future tense already. The 2010 season? It's no longer a going concern, it's stuff to be molded into a maybe over-optimistic storyboard of the 2011 season. 

At SB Nation St. Louis, where I write under a clever pseudonym and am required to capitalize the first letter of every last word in a title, you'll find the Top Five bad things to take from the 2010 season. They came easier. But here, at Viva El Birdos, I come bearing good things. Since this is a companion piece, I come bearing five of them. 

5. They finished strong again. Yeah, I don't get it. The Cardinals seem hell-bent on moving from the part in the draft where people expect you to draft Shelby Miller and are surprised you don't to the part where people don't expect you to draft Shelby Miller and are surprised you do. I guess comfort level is important.

But it was good to see that this team isn't a complete mess, because for the most part we're stuck with it. The top three starters (and Kyle Lohse?) (and probably Jake Westbrook, maybe?) Yeah, that's going to look familiar. The catcher, two outfielders, the first baseman, and probably two of the other infielders? We'll recognize them. Mozeliak wants to add guys, 15-homer guys, specifically, but I'm not sure where he'll do it, or where he can. 

So it's good to see that this team, in spite of itself, in spite of all its injuries and underperformance, can manage 86 wins, even if the last 10 or 11 meant more for Memphis than they did for St. Louis.

Star-divide

4. The Memphis guys! We know more about them. And most of it's good news. Jon Jay finished the season at .300 on the nose and had himself a slightly-better-than-Skip-Schumaker year. If he turns out to play defense like Skip Schumaker that's bad news, but Jay is a little better all around; a better defender by reputation, a better hitter in the minors, and two years younger than Schumaker was when he got his briefer push into almost-full-time status.

Allen Craig's final numbers don't look great, but he started hitting at the right moment; he seems to have pushed past Nick Stavinoha on the Ineffable Tony La Russa Depth Chart. Tyler Greene topped 100 at-bats, Bryan Anderson showed up (but not enough), and Daniel Descalso got his all-important first call-up and responded well to La Russa's strange and sudden decision to make him a third baseman. Fernando Salas did well enough to look like a sure-thing in the 2011 bullpen. 

I don't think we could have expected anything better than that for Jay, and he's developed at a moment where that might be good enough to spend the fat part of a platoon in right field. Craig and Greene and Descalso got themselves in the conversation. We don't know everything about these guys, but we know more, and when the Cardinals' 2011 plans suddenly blow up in some crucial spot one of the others might be prepared to play the Jon Jay role. It's good to have as many potential Jon Jays as possible. 

3. Matt Holliday ended the season with the fans on his side. Also, he played extremely well. If you'd asked, in May, whether it would be good news that fans no longer complained about Matt Holliday's supposed unclutchness—well, I'd be suspicious. I'd be willing to wager you were an ironic rhetorical device, and that the Cardinals had fallen behind the Reds for good.

But I guess I'd also be happy about it. It looked like Matt Holliday was just doing his thing this year—awkward but effective defense, weird, displaced-football athleticism, lots of inexplicably hard doubles swings and a .310-ish average. But he was actually having the second best season of his career, not just by WAR but by examining his counting stats. Out of Coors Field he looked... well, like the Matt Holliday from 2008 and 2009, but with a little more extra-base power. He played 158 games, he never looked like he'd given up or checked out, and, yes, he only managed an .808 OPS with runners in scoring position. 

With any luck, this will be the last time that's important. 

2. Adam Wainwright was even better than he was last year. Wainwright was outstanding in 2009, of course. But he looked... well, lucky, a little. He had a high strand rate; we talked about it, and wondered about it, and when he didn't win the Cy Young, talked about what was and wasn't value, even though it might not happen again next season. 

But then it did happen again next season. His peripherals were infinitesimally better, each one; his strand rate was even higher. So we have a pitcher who was wither even better, even luckier, or even better and even luckier. However it was, he looks every bit an ace, and he's finally got 20 wins on the baseball card, which is one perfectly excellent thing to take from a mostly imperfect season. 

1. Jaime Garcia! This is what it's like to have a pitching prospect that Tony La Russa doesn't dislike! 

Jaime Garcia's FIP this year was 3.41. I want to state that at the outset, because when you start from "his ERA probably won't be 2.70 again it sounds much less impressive when you get to 3.41. Garcia pitched 163 innings the year after he could have reasonably been expected to not pitch any at all. He struck out 7.3 batters per nine innings, walked 3.5, which might go down, and gave up 0.5 home runs, which will probably go up. 

He's a young pitcher, and things could get worse than that, but even if they do I'm glad we got a chance to see him this good. He wasn't a flash in the pan, either—in the second half he went 5-4 with a 3.53 ERA, which would itself have been a successful rookie season, boosted his strikeout rate, and dealt with an increased home run rate. The Cardinals have developed a young pitcher who might be great, and is probably at least good. That's something to celebrate, when the fan confidence poll gets high enough to warrant celebration. 

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2010 Cards values by WAR (min 100 PAs)

Albert Pujols 7.3
Matt Holliday 6.9 (big fielding component)
Colby Rasmus 3.5 (questionable negative fielding component)
Yadier Molina 2.6
Ryan Ludwick 2.4
David Freese 1.5
Jon Jay 1.1 (negative fielding, 324 PAs)
Brendan Ryan .8 (all for fielding)
Felipe Lopez .1
Allen Craig .1
Tyler Greene 0
Aaron Miles 0
Nick Stavinoha -.2
Randy Winn -.2
Skip Schumaker -.2
Pedro Feliz -.5

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 4, 2010 3:15 AM EDT reply actions  

Look at Albert!!

That is why DeWitt should go ahead and give him a blank check to fill in ASAP.

Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon

by KYCards on Oct 4, 2010 4:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

In a "down year" wink wink he is barely not first in WAR according to Fangraphs.

The man is pure baseball awesomeness.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Oct 4, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

once again I say

well done, Tremendous Skull. I had no faith in you and your carom-handling coming in, and it was an altogether lopingly flawless job in the outfield.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 4, 2010 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

......all those people had 100 PAs?

noooo o ooo ooo

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 4, 2010 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wainwright almost qualified with 96.

Link

And was worth 0.4 WAR batting per B-R

Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork

by TBender on Oct 4, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

aaron miles an even 0?

better than expected

..i miss ludriguez-wick..
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by d-dee on Oct 4, 2010 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

aaron miles more than 100 PAs

much worse than expected

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1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
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by albrtfn on Oct 4, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

his defense was weird

he was -0.4 defensively…. which is surprisingly high for him

he gets an average of about -4.0 defensively normally (although admittedly, his last two years were 1.5 and -3.0 so who knows?)

by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 4, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Took a .279 BA on groundballs to get him there

Better than Michael Bourn’s career rate.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Oct 4, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

This still burns you up, doesn't it?

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Oct 4, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

That the worst hitter in the big leagues will likely be on the team next year for some amount of time based on being lucky to just be horrible.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Oct 4, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't disagree.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Oct 4, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, Peter Happy

That guy’s toast here, right? Please… I mean, wow… That guy’s feeble. I’m not sure he’s even capable of hitting a baseball hard more than once or twice a week and then only by total accident.

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by redbirdnation8206 on Oct 4, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

clearly we HAD to get feliz. no other choice.

We certainly had no one who could have been half a win or better below replacement in a month.

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by tom s. on Oct 4, 2010 11:33 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Nope, they just pop out of the ground like garden gnomes.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 4, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

or fungus.

Cardinals 2010 memorial sig. Never Forget.

by The Continental on Oct 4, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes but...

is that for the cardinals or his whole season?

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Oct 4, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's over 4 wins below average

he’s like the inverse of matt holliday

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by prophetjohn on Oct 4, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

roots of evil - go underground

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by akaitori on Oct 4, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's not that big a fielding component

if you take his average fielding RAR from the last few seasons and use that instead, he’s still at like 6.7 WAR

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Oct 4, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

nice

how much would Colby’s go up?

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 4, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

if he had the same defensive valuation as last season,

he’d be worth 5 WAR

he was 10.2 RAR last season on defense and -6.2 this season, so you basically just add 16 to his current 34 to get 50 RAR or 5 WAR

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Oct 4, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

wait

colby was at 3.6 WAR, so i guess he’d have been 5.2 WAR

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Oct 4, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

so he's basically a 4 to 5 WAR player, maybe even more

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 4, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

he was last season

i like to think he can be even better

there were times where he was kind of bad. if tony decides that he’s an everyday player, we might be able to have him avoid those long slumps and have a perennial all star racking up 6-7 WAR seasons. #HPGF

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twatter

by prophetjohn on Oct 4, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he plays good defense

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Oct 4, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought his defense was pretty solid

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 4, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

well apparently the fielding metrics didn't

so if we don’t agree with them we can throw them out right? But if we did that, what would happen to Ryan’s WAR?

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Oct 4, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

We could take a more nuanced approach.

We could say that we believe UZR to be far sketchier with outfielders because they get fifty-some percent of the chances of infielders. Just doing the rough math, Ryan had 430 assists and Rasmus had 260 Putouts. So, we’re dealing a (dare I say it?) smaller sample size of Rasmus’s defensive plays this season than with Ryan. While it’s not the best idea to rely on UZR for infielders, it’s an even worse idea to rely on it for judging outfielders.

Then again, the creator of UZR says that he would only rely on it after three season’s worth of data, so who are we to question?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 4, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

ryan and rasmus are both small smaples

haven’t we learned anything about single season UZR?

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Oct 4, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, they are.

And Rasmus’s is smaller than Ryan’s. Which is why I wrote this:

While it’s not the best idea to rely on UZR for infielders, it’s an even worse idea to rely on it for judging outfielders.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 4, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I apologize.

My mistake.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 4, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

You don't throw them out

It’s just necessary to understand their limitations. Fielding metrics are affected by sample sizes as much as any other stat is and, if I understand old points made by azruavatar and vivaelpujols (who know more depth about these topics than I do), UZR stabilizes after two or three full seasons. So, it’s interesting to look at and probably a good assessment of how a guy has played recently, but one-season UZR is not a good indicator of the all-important true talent level. Now, if you take Raz’s UZR in two full seasons, then you’re probably looking at a better estimate of his ability.

So in other words it’s not throwing it out it’s applying the proper caveats in order to put the metric in the proper context.

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by redbirdnation8206 on Oct 4, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

we aren't talking about talent level though

we are talking about 2010 WAR. WAR is a counting stat. The book on 2010 is closed. Colby’s WAR for 2010 was 3.5. which is really good. No need to make excuses for it by calling the it lower than it is because of a “questionable negative fielding component” And we can’t change it because we don’t believe it reflects his true talent level.

That would be like changing Skip’s and Ryan’s WAR because we believe their true talent level as a hitter is better than what the both did this year.

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Oct 4, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, it's because UZR has measurement error in it

You regress it for both true talent level AND single season value purposes.

by vivaelpujols on Oct 4, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

so, we're forced to take it face value

even though we know that the defensive samples are too small? why can’t we take his UZR for both seasons and replace what fangraphs uses (single season) with it? just because it’s on fangraphs doesn’t make it the definitive verdict.

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Oct 4, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I denoted the WAR totals that I thought people should be slightly skeptical of

since UZR should be looked at over 3 seasons. there’s reason to be skeptical of a single season’s worth of defensive stats. I think we’d all agree that Colby is not a negative presence defensively. I’d say the same for Jon Jay but his didn’t affect his WAR very much

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 4, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course. . .

a player can be a completely different player defensively over the course of two or three seasons. Compare the pre-Jabba the Hutt Andruw Jones and the Jabb the Hutt version. Any stat that takes 2-3 seasons to have a large enough sample to be accurate is nearly worthles, IMHO.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Oct 4, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Player can also a completely different hitter over the course of two to three seasons.

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Oct 4, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, but. . .

it is generally agreed that representative sample sizes for offensive metrics are much smaller (say, maybe a season’s worth) than a representative sample size for defensive metrics,

by SouthsideCardsFan on Oct 4, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

...
if I understand old points made by azruavatar and vivaelpujols (who know more depth about these topics than I do), UZR stabilizes after two or three full seasons

If I said this, I was incorrect. UZR doesn’t “stabilize” at any point – it’s a continuous reflection of a players talent level. The bigger the sample size, the more you can take it at face value – this is due to both sample size reasons and measurement error.

The good rule of thumb is that 3 seasons of defensive stats = 1 season of offensive stats (this ignores bias in defensive metrics which may or may not be huge).

by vivaelpujols on Oct 4, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

when did it become 3?

I thought the rule of thumbs was “2”?

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by SleepyCA on Oct 4, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've always heard

3 years with regard to UZR.

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Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Oct 4, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've always heard 3 seasons, too.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 4, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Alrighty then...

…Thank you for straightening me out. I was working off of my memory, which sad to say is trending in the wrong direction!

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by redbirdnation8206 on Oct 4, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

You don't throw them out, you regress them heavily to their expected mean

Scouting wise, Ryan is clearly one of the best 2-3 short stops in baseball. That might make him a +10 defender, so you’d regress his UZR to that. In Rasmus’ case, I think most people would agree that he looks like a +5 defender or so (a bit above average) – so you’d regress his past UZR’s to that.

In either case you wouldn’t rely on single season UZR. You would take multiple seasons and regress that towards the scouting based mean.

by vivaelpujols on Oct 4, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

is this standard procedure

within the sabermetric world, or is this what you were trying to popularize with your work at THT?

by mattyp on Oct 4, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

No this is standard procedure

I haven’t actually done much work with regard to defensive metrics, I mostly deal with pitching metrics.

by vivaelpujols on Oct 4, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

but WAR is a counting stat, like RBIs and HRs

It doesn’t matter what we think he SHOULD or COULD of done. Only what he did do. And if we do not believe that a stat (in this case UZR) is a valid way to review a year than we shouldn’t use it in determining how good a players year was. (whole purpose of WAR is to have a way to normalize a player’s position and give a baseline so we can compare an outfielder to a short stop)

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by Evilfrog on Oct 4, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

But UZR has measurement error

It’s not like wOBA where we know exactly how many hits someone got, and what type they were. With UZR we are not quantifying directly their defensive contribution, but estimating it. Thus regressing it to scouting mean will give both a better estimate of true talent level AND single season performance.

by vivaelpujols on Oct 4, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not a counting stat like home runs, RBI's, or stolen bases.

We know when a home run is a home run, because the batted balls sails over the fence. We know when an RBI is an RBI. We know when a stolen base is a stolen. UZR is much more nebulous and difficult to pin down. This is why many people have poblems with it, and most people will tell you that you cannot use UZR to tell someone beyond a shadow of a doubt who had a better defensive season. Unlike, say, with wOBA and offense.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 4, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

kinda makes that whole WAR meaningless than

you guys are going to turn me into Rick Horton by posting stats and then telling me I can’t trust them.

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Oct 4, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can trust them...

…but you have to think of them a little differently.

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by redbirdnation8206 on Oct 4, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

WAR has rates involved too I think

I don’t think it’s just a counting stat

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 4, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seems to me that buying out Colby's arb years in a club friendly

Longterm contract is not far behind re-signing AP as offseason priorities.

by OCCardsFan on Oct 4, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

do it now

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Oct 4, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

Has he given an interview or something that I missed?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 4, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

they why is he asking for Tony to come back?

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Oct 4, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

no, that was a PR move

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Oct 4, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

fuck you mattyp, i'm damn sexy & i'm here to stay

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Oct 4, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have to say

that doesn’t even seem real.

and he’s between Westy and Bombs, too.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 4, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

his head does looks photoshopped doesn't it?

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2010 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Now that is a nice picture

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by spfldbird on Oct 5, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

SWOON

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 5, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

does anyone know what his ink is on his left arm?

with him stretching like that is almost looks like that’s a half shirt. Hollywood would be so pround

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Oct 6, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's some irish thing

clover

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 7, 2010 7:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

and people were worried holliday wouldn't get to 5.5 WAR this season

what a joke. i’m confident holliday will be worth AT LEAST 5.5 WAR for the next three seasons, probably more.

by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 4, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not the next three years that concerns me, barring injury.

It’s the four years after, that could get a little dicey,

You're the fail to my win?
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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 4, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

it'd be the three years following that

and if holliday puts up something like 25 WAR in the first four years of his deal, he’s likely going to do enough in his last three years to be worth the deal. i’m not worried about it.

by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 4, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

you're right, for some reason I've got eight years stuck in my head.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 4, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I didn't say he was a lock to fall of a cliff,

but it has happened.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 4, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

it most certainly has

but if holliday repeats his 2010 season three more times, he’ll have basically covered the entire value of his contract in just four seasons. i would honestly say that’s way more likely than him falling off a cliff.

by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 4, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

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by IHeartBoog on Oct 4, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't like the contract, but I don't hate it.

What I am worried about is whether the Cardinals can afford to overpay both Holliday and Pujols for their decline years and still be competitive.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 4, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 4, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

your "confidence" also said the Cardinals would win the division by at least two games

you held to this deep into July…. for the record, i’m with you on this, i just want you to know that you were oh so confident the Cards were winning this division handily…..

nothing is guaranteed…

with that said, i think the contract is a good one

by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 4, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jaime Garcia

TLR gets a bad rap with rookies but one they actually have one that is good, TLR throws him out there faster than anyone else and let’s them play. He did that with Albert when no one thought he should start and he did it again with Garcia. He did it with Jay as well but Jay regressed to mean — still he played him a lot.

I like Jay and Craig in a platoon next year with Jay coming for defense on the days that Craig starts. No need to spend a lot of money there.

As much as I like Mr Freeze, I can’t help but think we need more pop at 3B. He gives us cheap production, but does he really put us over the top? They’ll sniff around Beltre, but he will be expensive.

I’d like to see Penny back (he’ll cost nothing) and Suppan if he’ll have us as depth starters. I think Westbrook is great but will cost a fortune. THis is his last contract — he’s going to max out.

We really need a strong leadoff hitter (and second baseman) and I suspect we will have to trade to get one. We need more speed — this would be my top priority.

All this being said, I wouldn’t spend any money if Wainwright’s elbow is a problem. If he is hurt, then I’d stick with rookies and hope for the the best.

Just win

by The Duke on Oct 4, 2010 6:46 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

we can't use Jaime Garcia as a rookie example when that is clearly Dave Duncan's call AND we were short on pitchers.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 4, 2010 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

AND they didn't have enough confidence in the bullpen to pull K-Mac out of it

and/or confidence in K-Mac

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 4, 2010 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm thinking that the latter is more likely

This is the second year that McClellan has been rumored to be the 5th/6th starter…and when those services are needed, it ends up being someone else.

Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork

by TBender on Oct 4, 2010 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

they're like, the starters are all clean-shaven, and K-Mac's like, dude I've been working on this beard forever!

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 4, 2010 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Does Franklin come back? Is he a lock?

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Oct 4, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Oct 5, 2010 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

i think it's more likely to be the former

in ‘09 kmac being a starter was contingent on carp not being healthy and this year it was contingent on jaime not _blowing everyone’s minds_

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Oct 4, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

wth, SBN?

i want my italics

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Oct 4, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

SBNDGAFAYI

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 4, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

taking one for the franchise

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Oct 4, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Taking one for the history of baseball.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Oct 4, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

history of the world?

"I don't like to sound egotistical, but every time I stepped up to the plate with a bat in my hands, I couldn't help but feel sorry for the pitcher." Rogers hornsby.

by pattimagee on Oct 4, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am Ron Burgandy?

"I don't like to sound egotistical, but every time I stepped up to the plate with a bat in my hands, I couldn't help but feel sorry for the pitcher." Rogers hornsby.

by pattimagee on Oct 4, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

go fuck yourself san diego

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Oct 4, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Part 1 or part 2?

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 4, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Best thing Bonilla ever did.

Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork

by TBender on Oct 4, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

get suppan the fuck away from any team im watching

he was worth 0.1 WAR and had a 5.05 xFIP… with the Brewers, he had a…. 5.02 xFIP

so im skeptical that suppan is any good still… and suppan isn’t going to accept a starting job in the minors, he might as well retire

by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 4, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

HIs "good" games were against Pittsburgh and a demoralized Rockies squad. Hard to read too much in those games.

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Oct 4, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

we need WAR for managers

i mean, we don’t really. but it would be cool. this was LaRussa’s nerviest season yet, not in a good way. i know i only get on here to bug out about LaRussa but he cost us the division. him & Mozeliak not being more sensitive to Ludwick’s indispensability, relative to the other parts at least, is/was staggering folly.

by CircumSwoop on Oct 4, 2010 7:31 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

neither TLR, nor Mo step to the plate and swing a bat

they didn’t cause all the 1 run losses, or the not being able to add runs or being shut out by a random Bud Norris
the result of this season is a collective effort

..i miss ludriguez-wick..
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by d-dee on Oct 4, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

but they still have to put the team in a position to win

it is extremely difficult to win when the lineup from inning to inning is not constructed to do so.

that said, I think everyone not named Holliday or Pujols really did panic.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 4, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think even Holliday and Pujols panicked during the first half.

And I think the tension is part of the problem. TLR needs to help with this (Iighten up dude) and maybe Mo could find a clubhouse guy (who also hits 25 homeruns, plays the infield and is dirt cheap). HaHa. That’s what I want for Christmas.

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by spfldbird on Oct 4, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

at least they took that field trip to San Quentin!

…wait.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 4, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would argue that in 1 run games

a manager’s and GM’s decisions have much more weight than they do in games with large scoring gaps.
Cause all the one run losses? No.
Contribute greatly to all the one run losses by using poor roster, lineup, and bullpen management? Definitely.

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Oct 4, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow Jay's August and September

Ain’t too pretty, are they? .310 and .307 OBP?

by sdrone on Oct 4, 2010 8:39 AM EDT reply actions  

It's like I often say...

…Regression, sometimes, can be MEAN.

This is the second time I’ve used this joke and damn, it still cracks me up!

I would also point out that that swing was kind of far in the other direction. I don’t think he’s that bad either, just like he’s not as good as he appeared before that drop. He’s going to be a useful player as a platoon/4th OFer type. It was a good season for him overall.

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by redbirdnation8206 on Oct 4, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

he's just not that good

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Oct 4, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

1.1 WAR

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 4, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

and that's with a .350 BABIP

plus he was over 2 WAR at one point during this season. so, since his peak this season, he’s be worth almost a full negative win

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Oct 4, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

haters gonna hate

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 4, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anti-Federalists gonna hate.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Oct 4, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions   4 recs

....

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by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

That baby's cheeks are trying to eat the rest of his face

Look at that little butterball. And he can still ride a bitchin’ motorcycle no problem!

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Oct 5, 2010 7:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

porkchop junior

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Oct 5, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

that wasn't the haters gonna hate pic i wanted to post

i’ve got a good one that fit a lot better, or at least i had one but i can’t find it

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Oct 6, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's also assuming

that his .310 and .307 represent his true talent level.

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by Evilfrog on Oct 4, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think most folks would agree his true talent level is somewhere in between.

Hopefully, as he gets more comfortable with big-league pitching, we will see his walk rate increase.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 4, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree.

Here are Jay’s walk rates, by level.

’06 (A): 10.6%
’07 (A+): 3.7%
’07 (AA): 9.4%
’08 (AA): 9.1%
’08 (AAA): 9.4%
’09 (AAA): 6.0%
’10 (AAA): 8.9%
’10 (MLB): 7.4%

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 4, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

me too

He looks fine in the field. His numbers will look better if he sticks in RF instead of Center. I also believe he is more of a .280/.320 guy. And should be fine in a platoon with Craig.

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Oct 4, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't like those numbers

 coming from a corner outfield position. I’m really hoping Craig can lay off the breaking ball off the plate and become a better hitter than Jay. Jay just doesn’t generate enough power to make me all warm and cozy inside.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Oct 4, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well...

his Split vs RHP is looks fine. So again I him in a platoon situation. Of course, I don’t love him. So if something better is out there that fits….

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Oct 4, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

By his, do you mean Jay or Craig?

Craig’s stats against righties were phenomenal in AAA, with a .320 ba and .400 obp. So you sit him against righties in favor of Jay?

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Oct 4, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

no

I give craig the lion share of starts, but do give Craig days off against righties every now an then. But we are (presumably) talking about TLR here.

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Oct 4, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's one thing I've wondered

is Jay that much better against righties that it should be a platoon? It may be better for Craig to be the regular and Jay is 4th OF, defensive sub.

I’m more or less of the opinion that the team, despite Mo’s wish for 2 15-20 HR guys, is going to need to “go young” next year and fill as many spots as possible with in-house players. They could always save the “dry powder” for mid-season adds if some of the youngsters don’t perform as well as expected/needed. That approach carries some risk, of course. But so does tying up several $M on someone this winter who ends up going into early, rapid decline right before our eyes.

by ArkansasTravs on Oct 4, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Arkansas,

I like the way you think.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Oct 4, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

yea,but

our dry powder dried up pretty quick

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Oct 4, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

How much did the negative fielding hurt him?

I don’t recall him being that poor in the field, but, then, watching on TV you only see the obvious stuff. Things like liners that he should have gotten to, getting to a single a little late and thus turning it into a double, etc., are often undetectable on the tube. What area of defense/fielding is he weak in, arm, range, ??

by ArkansasTravs on Oct 4, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

negative fielding hurt his WAR

with his true talent level, he probably goes closer to 2 WAR (or higher depending on his true talent level)

by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 4, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

they make you capitalize?

harsh

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 4, 2010 8:56 AM EDT reply actions  

No recs, proper punctuation, real names.

SB Nation is so harsh.

Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork

by TBender on Oct 4, 2010 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

no avatars, either

I shocked I can even bring my sig there.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 4, 2010 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great post

In my opinion, right field should be Allen Craig’s to lose in spring training. Mo said a priority was adding some power and Craig has it. He will hit for average and he will play competent defense. I think Jay should be a super OF substitute and probably the best bat off our bench.

Garcia was excellent all year long. I hope he comes back strong next year but the dude has good stuff, that’s the key

by riotmute on Oct 4, 2010 8:57 AM EDT reply actions  

Tough call...

I think Jay’s got a leg up, but there should be a competition for that spot. Jay has the advantage of being a lefty, which is the heavy side of a platoon, as well as being far superior defensively to Craig. If Craig (supposedly) doesn’t have the arm for 3B, I’m not sure how he has the arm for RF… Either way I expect a platoon between the two.

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by cardzfanbub on Oct 4, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with this.

Even McGwire said that Craig has a fine swing that only gets better with constant play. I think he has the tools and cheap contract to help out the team in RF. Jay should be the 4th outfielder / Defensive upgrade there.

I am sure the Walrus can play RF...

by Paulspike on Oct 4, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

What does "finished strong again" mean?

Haven’t we been questioning TLR because the team consistently does NOT finish strong?

by sdrone on Oct 4, 2010 8:57 AM EDT reply actions  

they finished strong this year at least

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 4, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

well when winning became irrelevant they were able to do some of it

I think the strong last two weeks is overshadowed by the pathetic August/early September, and would say this is another year of the Cardinals limping down the stretch

by infallibleopiniongenerator on Oct 4, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup - think this team plays better (less badly) wshen the pressure is lessened.

TLR maxed out performance in other years by apply pressure. Did not work so well this time around.

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Oct 4, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

there were five good things to take from this season?

…i guess there were. i’m still finding myself frustrated because the cards started the season strong, and then collapsed in august and never looked back.

the team did finish on a good note, but i don’t think ‘strong’ is the right word. if the cards finished ‘strong’, they would have only been a game or two back in the standings with a shot at the wild card. the team was never close to that after mid-august.

i think all the good things that happened this season were overshadowed by the disappointment, between the team’s struggles and TLR’s constant ‘why do we have [player’s name] on our roster’ and ‘why is [name] in our lineup?’

and, to be frankly honest, how is there mention of holliday but no albert?

by zoomzoomj88 on Oct 4, 2010 9:01 AM EDT reply actions  

you mean...

Mo’s constant ‘why do we have [player’s name] on our roster’ and TLR’s ‘why is [name] in our lineup?’

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Oct 4, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

sure

but most likely TLR had something to do with guys like winn and miles being on the team this season….

by zoomzoomj88 on Oct 4, 2010 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

The manager is always going to have some input

But at the same time, TLR had shown to prefer Craig over Stavinoha, Miles over Greene(until that who DL thing) and Later Jay/Craig over Winn.

Miles I buy into. I don’t think TLR would have ever said the words, “go get me Randy Winn.” He may have said, “we need a guy who can play all three out field positions.”

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Oct 4, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

and winn was a perfectly reasonable acquisition. and he played a perfectly adequate 4th/5th OF

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on Oct 4, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Except for the whole volleyball moment in CF that time.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 4, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

and a few other times

where he was playing to far back to make a play on a ball in front of him. Winn did fine, but wouldn’t you rather have Craig or Jay have those PAs/Innings in the field?

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Oct 4, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes, yes I would.

Winn would be okay as somebody else’s back-up, but he did what he was hired to do. And he could’ve been worse.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 4, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Winn did fine

we are getting off topic though. I wasn’t trying to devalue what winn did with us this year. Or really argue if Jay/Craig would have done better. I’m more trying to change the trend around here of giving credit to Mo for the roster moves we like and laying the blame on Tony for the roster moves we don’t like.

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Oct 4, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotcha.

Personally, I lay it on both of them. Mo for bringing them in and Tony for playing them. I don’t think it’s an either/or scenario. We aren’t behind the closed doors to hear how the brain-sessions go, so we’ll never know who is responsible.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 4, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you want to blame both of them that's fine

Just give credit to both of them when they make moves you like.

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Oct 4, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry for not stating so.

But that’s what I was meaning, that you can’t say that it was one or the other, good or bad. Mo has his job and Tony has his. But they go together and co-exist. The only place that separates them is the in-game decisions.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 4, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

he said

we had an interest in winn over the winter, but he went to the yankees

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Oct 4, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

meanwhile... elsewhere...

Ryan Ludwick has a sadwick. That’s… that’s depressing.

The Rays utilized the fine facility at Kauffman Stadium to build a champagne slip-and-slide. That’s kind of awesome.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 4, 2010 9:15 AM EDT reply actions  

Any chance...

based on Luddy’s poor half-season with the Pads (.631 OPS!) he gets non-tendered and we can sign him on the cheap…or at least cheaper than what he would have received thru arby? He could be that15-20 HR guy that Mo is talking about!

Did Mather get anytime at 3B this year, or is that no longer a possibility?

If you see a guy open the car door for his girlfriend, either the car is new or the girlfriend is.

by cardzfanbub on Oct 4, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

luddy won't be cheap

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Oct 4, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah...

if they non-tender he becomes a FA? If so, he’ll prolly get a multi-year deal. Still, his finish to the season will really hurt his total contract value for next year…especially if he doesn’t go to arby.

If you see a guy open the car door for his girlfriend, either the car is new or the girlfriend is.

by cardzfanbub on Oct 4, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

i imagine he'll get a bit more money from arb

probably about $8MM. as a FA, i could see him landing a 3/18 deal

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Oct 4, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll take Luddy back at...

3/18! Not sure the payroll can hold it…that Lohse deal really hurts! Jay and Craig would do fine as 4/5 OFers. Especially if Craig can be a back up at all 4 corners.

If you see a guy open the car door for his girlfriend, either the car is new or the girlfriend is.

by cardzfanbub on Oct 4, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Mather just got an inning or two at 3B during the 20 inning game.

Yep, just the 18th inning.

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by TBender on Oct 4, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

then he lost us that game

eff that Joey Bombs

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 4, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was really thinking...

at Memphis.

If you see a guy open the car door for his girlfriend, either the car is new or the girlfriend is.

by cardzfanbub on Oct 4, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

None at Memphis.

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by TBender on Oct 4, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Missed Out on Carp...

…who I think is a good thing to take away from ‘10: 35 starts, 234 IP, 3.69 FIP, and a 3.7 WAR. Oh and 16 wins, 179 Ks, a good ERA or 3.22, and a BABIP of .285. He’s healthy and had to make changes in his pitching style (less sliders, moar changes, curves and fastballs) and seems cowfortable as the #2 guy in the rotation. If we figure he has 3-4 lost seasons it cud very well be that he’ll get them back at the back end of his career and pitch well ‘til he’s 39-40. No guarantees, of course, but it wouldn’t surprise me. The transition from ace to rock solid #2 guy has been smooth, and he is a great bridge to have between our cowfirmed ace (Wainy) and our young gun (Jaime). And he’s there to bring leadership, intensity, and luggage to the team as well, all positive things.

Three cheers for Carp!!!
:=8D

Spare me your taradiddles!!!!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Oct 4, 2010 10:24 AM EDT reply actions  

Even with how excellent Carp has been...

His influence on the rest of the rotation is almost just as important. Waino often remarks how important Carp has been to his development. He is intensely competitive, likes to attempt to single-handedly take on entire teams (D-Backs, Reds), and is known for his great preparation. He never speaks badly of any of his teammates (that whole verbal luggaging of Boog was handled very well, and it was just unfortunate a camera caught it) He is a great leader for this rotation. I love Chris Carpenter. He has been so gracious in handing the torch of our resident monster ace to Waino. I’m sentimental, but I would like Carpenter to be on our team, until his arm falls off. But that being said…

Carp don’t give a f*ck about my weak sentimental nature.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Oct 4, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

So long as I don't hear "Colby Rasmus" and "trade rumors"

used as qualifiers for each other, I will be happy.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Oct 4, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Colby Rasmus rumored to have traded his pudding cup for a pack of markers

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 4, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

he's not that young

although I admit he does have some growing up to do.

All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.
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by spfldbird on Oct 4, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 4, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

I checked that thread (which went from Colby looks 12 to a discussion on physics)

and discovered this horror:

so you’re saying 2010 will be a circus theme?
by Yadi2Second on Jan 23, 2010 1:39 PM CST

I’m sorry, okay, I’m sorry, I didn’t know they were listening! [weep]

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 4, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

So NOW we know who to blame!!

Ah well, I imagine enough blog mining could find evidence to indict any of us.

by ArkansasTravs on Oct 4, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, vep did get out of doing a Penny pitch f/x

on account of… oh.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 4, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Baby ball players

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Oct 4, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

that's from this year

hopefully he did figure out how not to waste away

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 4, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

that picture has to be a couple of years old

When he was playing here in Springfield, he was so skinny I thought the wind would blow him away.

All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.
Charles M. Schulz

by spfldbird on Oct 4, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

no, it's not.

peeps gotta believe me when I date the photos I post myself.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 4, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

in spfldbird's defense that haircut is pretty dated.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Oct 4, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is colby we're talking about

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 4, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah the haircut is still the same, isn't it

He looks much better with short hair.

All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.
Charles M. Schulz

by spfldbird on Oct 4, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who goes?

Since the free agency market appears no better than the neighborhood garage sale, the upgrades (2B? 3B? backup C? Bullpen?) must come from trades. Who do the Cardinals have that are high/reasonable value and who ‘out there’ is an trade-affordable upgrade to what is currently on the roster? Rasmus seems like the key of what we have that can fetch anything valuable in return. Unless, of course, we re-sign Miles and sew 6-million bucks into his underoos.

Honi soit qui mal y pense.

by p_lampe on Oct 4, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe if Miles provides the 6 million bucks

And offers to sew it in himself.

All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.
Charles M. Schulz

by spfldbird on Oct 4, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, wait, hear him out

1. Sign Miles to a three year, $1.5M contract that does not allow him to be traded or DFA’d
2. Trade Miles, + $6M to Arizona for Kelly Johnson
3. Profit!!

OK, the ‘no trade/DFA’ clause is probably not legal, but that way Tony can’t get him back for three years!

by ArkansasTravs on Oct 4, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

Don’t do it Colby! You CANNOT use those markers to make a really bitching helmet design!

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Oct 4, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

It's gonna have some Celtic knots and song dragons and shit

Gonnabesodangolesweet.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Oct 4, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe he needs the markers for his kid.

All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.
Charles M. Schulz

by spfldbird on Oct 4, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

you guys remember those smelly markers? the blue one was the best...it was like blue raspberry....

anyway, i had a dream about smelly markers last night. isn’t that odd?

/insert preemptive “no hammocks” statement here

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on Oct 4, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have smelly markers in my desk. :)

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Charles M. Schulz

by spfldbird on Oct 4, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

remember, kids, huffing is bad

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 4, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

they still make those? i feel like i need to buy some now.

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on Oct 4, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, go to an office supply store like staples or office depot

All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.
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by spfldbird on Oct 4, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Loved the blue smelly marker.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
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Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Oct 4, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I bet you did.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 4, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

brown sucked

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Oct 4, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't even want to know.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 4, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

green was the best

wait, never mind, that’s M&M’s

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

and so is Pujols and Boog
First baseman and three-time National League MVP Albert Pujols last October said he was “99 percent certain” La Russa would return in 2010. Though Pujols says he hasn’t recently discussed the matter with La Russa, he offered a similar impression on Friday. “I’m not going to speak for him. Only Tony knows what he wants to do. I believe he’ll be back but I’ll also support whatever decision he makes,” Pujols said.

“Nothing he does is irrational. Everything is done for a reason,” says shortstop Brendan Ryan, who has experienced La Russa as taskmaster the past two years. “You can respect and appreciate him for that. I know he’s got the best intention for me and the club. I want him to come back because I want to play better for him. I know I can. I’m playing to impress him. He’s seen a lot. When you get a compliment from him, it means a lot.”

Oddly don’t need a unicorn.

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Oct 4, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

and I disagree with ryan

Double switching the pitcher into the #5 spot early in the game is irrational.

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Oct 4, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

5th or sixth inning type thing

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Oct 4, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

you are kidding right?

even the biggest TLR homer has to admit Tony does some crazy, irrational shit….

by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 4, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is this from last year?

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Oct 4, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

no this year.

It’a a Straussie article.

In the same article he asked Elaine LaRussa if she would ever ask TLR to give it up and come home and she said, no no no no no.

Smart woman. He is just too intense. I cannot imagine living with him.

All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.
Charles M. Schulz

by spfldbird on Oct 4, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

it's got to be easier than living with GDM

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2010 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

heheheheh Let's call it a toss up

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by spfldbird on Oct 5, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

tied for first

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Oct 6, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

date on the artical is

October 4, 2010 12:10 am

But you’ll have to ask Strauss if he dug up a year old quote. Somehow I doubt it.

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Oct 4, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

ooohhhh good point

he has been known to pull a trick or two to get everyone excited.

All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.
Charles M. Schulz

by spfldbird on Oct 4, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

You know, Boog, you're a beast of a SS

But you are, to put it mildly, very very wrong. Just because something has a reason does not make it rational. Double switching the pitcher into a spot right behind Pujols does have a reason: to make sure the pitcher doesn’t hit for awhile. It makes some sense. However, by doing so it becomes guaranteed that, unless the bases are juiced, Pujols will be walked UNLESS a decision is made to pinch hit for the pitcher with a hitter… which incidentally becomes impossible if no position players are available.

Argal, reason, not rational. There are reasons for making that move which will sometimes, if taken in a vacuum, make perfect sense. However those reasons and that decision are unlikely to yield the best possible results given the current information.

Also playing Aaron Miles is never, ever rational unless you, Boog, and every other middle infielder in the history of baseball are horribly and suddenly offed by the ebola virus.

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by redbirdnation8206 on Oct 4, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

eh, Boog's a mark

we love him, but he is. he’s also used to the father figure with judicial training.

if only andi_k could back me up on this, this is her area of expertise.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 4, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder where she's been.

I haven’t seen her for quite a while.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 4, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

she stopped by for a tad, and said she was busy with stuff

so she’s out there.

it’s ClemsonGirl who’s kind of MIA. though I think she also stopped by for two seconds.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 4, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Has anybody looked on the Indians board?

She might be there….though, I don’t really know why.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 4, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

we could look at her history, but I'm too lazy.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 4, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I guess we could at that.

But, wouldn’t that be stalking?

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 4, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

you wanna ask Flim or something?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 4, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah,

It might give him ideas.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 4, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's also been MIA

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Oct 4, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

CGirly does not have an ounce of lust in her heart

she is sweet, pure, wholesome & everything right in world that is full of almost everything wrong

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2010 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hence she was VEB's unofficial mascot for a while

In all seriousness though, Clemson was a cool cat. It’s rough when real life gets in the way of VEB.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Oct 5, 2010 7:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

ya she's not on the twitters much either except for glee night

apparently she’s hella busy with the collages & stuff

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Oct 6, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

that looks like a joey bombs in a batman mask

..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Oct 4, 2010 11:26 AM EDT reply actions  

that's Freese's

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 4, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

kind of looks like Freese is in the fore ground.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Oct 4, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

he is

..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Oct 4, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

where'd you get this?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 4, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

anf there's freese in it

i am calling dibs on it, it will be included in a fanpost i’m about to publish so hands off!
src

..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Oct 4, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mr. Freese is only disgusing himself...

So he can bring an unending winter on Gotham.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRH-Ywpz1_I

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Oct 4, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Michael Keaton?

Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork

by TBender on Oct 4, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

And Michael Keaton was my favorite batman!!!

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1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
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by albrtfn on Oct 4, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

aw man! can i borrow it just once for my picgasim?

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2010 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

sure

..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Oct 5, 2010 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

thank you! i promise it will be funny

and if not, well then you all can punish me any way you see fit

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Oct 6, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm impressed he owns a suit

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 4, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

buy low hunch

jose lopez will be non-tendered a his 14.6 avg HR’s per, last five seasons, will fit Mo’s agenda to acquire HR guys on the infield.
he does have good career road numbers away from safeco (108 ops+). best vs lhp’s and a versatile platoon partner.

by ball in play on Oct 4, 2010 11:55 AM EDT reply actions  

i like this idea

he’s primed for a bounceback season.

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on Oct 4, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Oct 4, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Oct 4, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I take it that you don't like that idea?

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 4, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

As a guy who watched him every day for 3 months

He is a terrible player and probably a terrible human being

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Oct 4, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll just put you for a "no" then.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 4, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jose Lopez seems to me like one of those players who is a very convincing illusion for lots of people

He seems to be a decent hitter, because he has some power. He is capable of giving you 30-40 doubles in a season, and usually homers in the teens, though he once his 25. He is capable of slugging in the mid-400s. He doesn’t hit for particularly high average. Sometimes in the high 200s, sometimes way lower. And his career high walk percentage is 4%. Yes, 4. So at his very best, he’s going to give you something like a .320 OBP. He has two years where he was an average hitter by wOBA and wRC+. His defense is average, it looks like, but his best work appears to be at third base. He isn’t that great of a second baseman, and God help us all if he plays first base for us.
So to sum up: average production is his absolute peak, it seems, and everything has to go right for that to happen. If it doesn’t he could turn out to be barely above replacement level. We already have Skip Schumaker, who pretty much does the same thing, only in a different way.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Oct 4, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was just twitting mysteriu a lil bit.

I don’t really want a 15-20 hr guy. I’d rather have the the OBP guy that can play D. We need table-setters in front of AP, Holli, Raz, and for discussions sake, Freeze.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 4, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

But evidently, in the discussion below,

you can’t get a high OBP without the 15-20 hrs. So mine is a moot point.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 4, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I getcha

I probably should have replied to the original post by ball in play, come to think of it.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Oct 4, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Buy low?

Exactly how much do you think his OBP is gonna improve?

by sdrone on Oct 4, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes

if non-tendered, i’d expect a FO looking for 15 HR power and 2B/3B versatility, to be interested on a felipe lopez type contract from 2010, for jose lopez. just a hunch.
BR has jose as a 1.6 war in 2010, making skip, flip, ryan, miles, feliz etc. look pretty weak in comparison.

by ball in play on Oct 4, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your face doesn't pass the eye test for me.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Oct 4, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ooooh

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Oct 4, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

they don't even have any towels!

what if something gets on it!

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Oct 5, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

i think it's OK, it is white

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2010 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

iPod... touch

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Oct 5, 2010 7:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

there's an IPad joke in here somewhere but i can't find it

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Oct 6, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

???

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Oct 6, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

When you used it in that post I had to bookmark it.

It’s so perfect, and conveniently small.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Oct 5, 2010 7:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Oct 4, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Cat vs. Aaron Miles completes the whole circus aspect

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 4, 2010 12:17 PM EDT reply actions  

mets have finally fires omar minaya

jerry manuel, too

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Oct 4, 2010 12:17 PM EDT reply actions  

didn't we know that?

a couple of days ago?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 4, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Holy crap, look at this about Morneau...

Despite only appearing in in 81 games and only compiling 348 plate appearances, Justin Morneau put up 5.3 WAR this season.

by sdrone on Oct 4, 2010 12:39 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

i told you never to call me here!

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2010 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was about to say Goold was dead to me, and then he wrote this:
It’s the Cardinals’ Kobayashi Maru.

He did not. Just.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 4, 2010 1:06 PM EDT reply actions  

CCDGAFATNWS

(Chris Carpenter Doesn’t Give A Fuck About The No Win Scenario)

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Oct 4, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I fucking LOVED Abrams Star Trek.

Might have been my favorite movie of 2009 though the Hangover and Zombieland made some runs at it.

Silly humans, this world is for robots.

by azruavatar on Oct 4, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kobayashi Maru is as old as Khan

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 4, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think District 9 was mine.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 4, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

It really kicked ass

And I’m a huge Star Trek fan. Not huge enough to consider myself a Trekkie Trekker. But Ioves me some Star Trek and that movie was great.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Oct 4, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

reading that article made me feel better.

I had no idea what Kobayashi Maru was until I looked it up.
It doesn’t seem No Win to me. It’s a difficult situation to be sure. As wonderful as Albert is, I’m leary of one player being so powerful they in essence control the future of the club. eg. how much money available to sign other players, who the next manager will be….

So while I want him signed with the Cardinals, I’m not going to be dumbstruck if he isn’t.

All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.
Charles M. Schulz

by spfldbird on Oct 4, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pujols Payment Plan

Yes, I know it’s not my money…

Year 1 = $20 million
Year 2 = $22 million
Year 3 = $24 million
Year 4 = $26 million
Year 5 = $28 million
Years 6, 7, 8 = $30 million

All this guaranteed (average of $26.25 million/year) money plus bonus incentives

Years 9, 10 = player/club option years at $32 million

This keeps #5 “a Cardinal for life,” spreads the overall cost (gulp) over years to come to let the team have some (some!) financial flexibility to remain competitive, and makes Albert reasonably wealthy.

Another thought: With Albert’s love of his fellow human beings, is there a way to structure a contract such that the Cardinals donate to the charity of Pujols’ choice (with the trade off being Albert takes a somewhat smaller salary)? This, if possible, would be a win-win-win (Yes, Michael Scott reference) because Pujols gets to be a humanitarian, the Cardinals can write off the donations in DeWitt’s taxes, and some folks in need get financial support.

Honi soit qui mal y pense.

by p_lampe on Oct 4, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is highly likely

that there will be at least one pricier offer than that on the table from other teams.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Oct 4, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not if the deal is signed this winter...

If you see a guy open the car door for his girlfriend, either the car is new or the girlfriend is.

by cardzfanbub on Oct 4, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

how bout this

Year 1 = $34
Year 2 = $32
Year 3 = $32
Year 4 = $30
Year 5 = $28
Year 6 = $22
Year 7 = $20
Year 8 = $16

$214 million dollar contract over 8 years ($26.75/year)
That type of deal assumes he can 7+ WAR for the first 3-5 years, and then he will start declining to the point where 4-5 WAR is doable

also despite all the sense in the world, i realize contracts in descending order don’t happen very often (why?)

by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 4, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

A $214M deal is not worth $$214M because inflation makes the salary late in the deal less valuable than the salary early in the deal.

Because players generally do not value salary differently and simply want a higher dollar figure it is better for a contract to be back-loaded or to have money deferred as this money paid out at a later date is less valuable.

Imagine it this way: If the team offers a $214M contract in the proportions you proposed, it would have one value, however if they offered it with the opposite payout structure, namely starting at 16M and escalating to 34M in the final year of the deal, they could invest the money in the meantime, making it easier to pay the eventual high salary.

If the team can pay albert 16M this year and 34M in seven years they could invest the $18M difference between the deal and that money would eventually be worth almost exactly $34M, meaning they basically get the final year of the contract for $18M in today’s dollars.

"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy

by hazel on Oct 4, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

A $ today is worth more than a $ eight years from now.

Rather than have me explain it half-assedly, you can probably just google “time value of money” and I’ll bet there will be a pithy explanation available. It’s common term used in business/accounting/investing/economics etc. to calculate the value of future income inflow/outflows.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Oct 4, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

you guys need to check the dept of labor

cpi tables before you talk about value of money even 2 years out

2008, -.7%
2009, -.4%
2010, probably not much different

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Oct 4, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Inflation/deflation isn't all of it

Money can also be an interest-bearing asset

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Oct 4, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes, but they were discussing the "value" of money

if you want > cpi returns, then you have to assess the risk of paying him now, vs the risk that you cannot invest the money and get a guaranteed return to assure you are better off. players must make the same evaluation if they accept deferred money. right now there is absolutely no way that they can cover holliday’s future payments by investing the $2M in any rationally safe investment. these deferrals reflect the expectation of more revenue, not investment income.

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Oct 4, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

"time value of money" includes opportunity costs (debts, investment opps), not just "inflation"

and the Cards’ discount rate has little to do with cpi. (In fact, it’s very doubtful the Cards use nominal interest rates for analysis anyway and so don’t include inflation (of which cpi is just a part)).

I’m not going to get into money supply theory (or investment theory) but before you throw out cpi as some sort of deflationary pressure that would run the discount rate to 0 (which as stated above, doesn’t make any sense) you should do two things:
1. Go look at a graph of the cpi (and ppi for tha matter) for the last 50 years.
2. Realize that the US Government and the Fed will never allow actual deflation in a paper money system. There’s this thing called a printing press that they’ll use to create more money – a process that, in essence, creates inflation.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Oct 5, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

IIRC, another factor is that the Cards reinvest that money in

the team, which has a higher rate of return than the open market. At least that’s what I’m remembering about the last time this discussion was had here on VEB.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Oct 5, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

And more to sportsman’s point, the idea that the “open market” for investment of capital approximates the CPI is, with all due respect, completely wrong.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Oct 5, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

sorry, but you are not talking about the same thing i am

investing money today with a guaranteed rate of return and with a rational view of the net result (ie, more than you put in) is one thing.

predicting what you can buy with that money x years hence is the value of money. the value of money and the cost of money are not the same thing. you must have a model for the value of money outside of investment income to decide whether it is to your advantage to defer that money. pay me now or pay me later is the essence of evaluating whether to defer money and how much of a sacrifice that might be. right now, money is pretty inexpensive and does reflect the cpi indirectly in that sense, ie, you don’t get negative cpi and 10% interest rates in the same economy.

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Oct 5, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was trying to correct your misimpression that the

the flat CPI over the last two years would have any effect whatsoever on the Cards’ desire to backload a contract.

futhermore, I explained why it will never ever be the case that future money will be more “expensive” in the US’s fiat money system.

In sum, from the team’’s perspective, they will always choose to pay later. always. the cpi is irrelevant.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Oct 5, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Give that man his money.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Oct 4, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

what a great article

it’s like goold appointed himself voice of reason

any chance someone could convince goold to write for veb (conspiracy theory: presuming he already doesn’t)?

fire up the van?

by YesWeOquendo on Oct 4, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think he's here already

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 4, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've been waiting for this:
Suppan’s earned-run average was 7.84 when he was let go by Milwaukee in June. Reunited with pitching coach Dave Duncan, who could see that Suppan had been tipping his pitches, Suppan went 3-6 with the Cardinals but with an ERA of 3.68.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Oct 4, 2010 1:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Of course he was

Who wouldn’t be expecting the 85 mph meatball

by OCCardsFan on Oct 4, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

The change sets up the meatball.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 4, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's a difference?

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 4, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

The meatball averages 86.

The change averages 79.

And I haven’t brought up the sinking meatball, yet.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 4, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah, I just thought that the change was a meatball that he didn't get a good grip on.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 4, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that's been the most obvious of scenarios.

I also like the first three words of Roto’s Jeff Suppan section: “Jeff Suppan hurled”.
I thought, how apropos.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 4, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's definitely in play if they don't sign Westbrook.

He pitched better the last two games. I don’t have confidence he would do that next year though

All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.
Charles M. Schulz

by spfldbird on Oct 4, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

post it again

with Brewers: 5.02 xFIP
with Cardinals: 5.05 xFIP

what now Commish?

by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 4, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who says no first?

Chone Figgins (+$10 mil) + Spare part (Someone like a Matt Tuiasosopo? Greg Halman? Dan Cortes?) for Allen Craig, Bryan Anderson, and PJ Walters

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Oct 4, 2010 2:21 PM EDT reply actions  

I think the Cardinals do.

If Mo is primed on putting more power in the lineup, trading Craig is not the way to go, if we put in Jay instead of Craig…..

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Oct 4, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

NEITHER!

craig and jay are headed to a perfect RF platoon for next year. don’t ruin it!

by stlcardinalsfang on Oct 4, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah... I know Mo said that he wanted a 15-20 HR guy, but I think a high OBP guy is the way to go

In the worst year of his career, in a pitcher’s park, he put up a .340 OBP…. he’s probably a true talent .360-.370 guy with speed

Craig is old for how much he’s produced, Bryan Anderson apparently has no spot on our team, and I don’t think the team is very high on PJ Walters (Who I think would be very successful in SafeCo)

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Oct 4, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

2...2 15-20 home run guys......

they grow on a tree in BPV.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Oct 4, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I laughed so hard at that when I heard that's what he wanted.

Yep, those just just fall at your feet everyday around here. I also live on Big Rock Candy Mountain, if you were wondering.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 4, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

and I completely agree about a high OBP guy,

said as much a couple of days ago.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Oct 4, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

are there any 15-20 HR guys

who aren’t high OBP guys?

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Oct 4, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly? No, not really

This season, it seems like an either/or thing. We ain’t living in a pre-Moneyball world anymore

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Oct 4, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait, I read that wrong

But you know what I meant

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Oct 4, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

just counted

all of MLB for 2010.

19 of 50 of the 15-20 HR guys out there had an OBP of less than .340

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Oct 4, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

But those that are available in free agency this year?

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Oct 4, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

of the 55 or so .350 + OPB guys,

only 5 didn’t have 15 or more dingers

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Oct 4, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

hitting a HR is one of two was into insure you get on base.

The other being a walk. Well, I guess getting hit by a pitch works too.

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Oct 4, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really, no,

and the reverse is true as well, there aren’t any high OBP guys that aren’t 15-20 homer guys, either.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Oct 4, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

that was what I was thinking too

so really if Mo goes after a 15-20 HR guy he is more than likely going to have that .340+ OBP. However, I will agree that if you had a choice between I guy that hit 10 HRs with a .350 OBP or a 20 HR guy with a .290 OBP. We might want to go ahead and have get the OBP guy and have him bat up in the order. More so if he could steal a base or two.

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Oct 4, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with this line of thinking

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Oct 4, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jose Lopez.

Gross.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Oct 4, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

It depends on the spare part, I think.

With Walters and Anderson, we aren’t giving up anything. If TLR comes back, Anderson will never play in St. Louis. I guess Craig plays first in Seatlle, or DH?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 4, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Smoak will be at first... Craig can play LF (which is somewhat open... I like Michael Saunders though), or DH

I actually like this trade a lot for both teams

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Oct 4, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I forgot the Mariners got Smoak in the Lee trade.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 4, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

anderson may never play in st louis

even if TLR doesn’t come back

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Oct 4, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's a fair point.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 4, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

. . and re-sign Floppy

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Oct 4, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

By the way mattybobo

I’ve started watching the Firefly series. Holy shit it is awesome – reminds me a lot of Cowboy Bebop. Why did Fox cancel it again?

by vivaelpujols on Oct 4, 2010 3:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Because FOX is stupid.

They aired the episodes out of order, too. It’s really too bad.

Be sure to cap off the series with the movie, Serenity, which wraps things up.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 4, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I saw Serenity by itself when it came out

I loved it at the time, but the show seems way better (which I guess is inevitable).

by vivaelpujols on Oct 4, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

The show offers a much fuller look at the characters,

and that’s what makes it so enjoyable.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Oct 4, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Morena Baccarin was absolutely gorgeous.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 4, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Few shows make it that hard to decide which character is my favorite.

Apparently network TV is like the playoffs. You can put together the most awesome package out there and still not make it through the series.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Oct 4, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

They thought the two hour first episode was too long,

so in their infinite wisdom, instead of making into a two-parter they started off with the second episode and confused the shit out of everybody. Then they showed the first episode last. One of the dumbest f’ing things I’ve every heard of and an absolute travesty.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 4, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cool that it reminds you of Bebop, I am pretty sure that was one of my initial thoughts about it as well.

The story of its eventual cancellation is a sad and sordid one. Well, actually it was just really badly handled by the network. They kind of set it up to fail from what I can remember. Like bgh says, they aired episodes out of order, including the pilot which kinda sorta tells you what the hell is going on in the show and who the hell these characters are.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Oct 4, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Firefly was excellent.

Have you made it through the whole thing yet?

"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy

by hazel on Oct 4, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

My wife got me the entire 4 season box set of Farscape for Xmas last year.

It and Firefly are my two fav shows. I don’t know how many times I’ve watched the both of them.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 5, 2010 3:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

We only hav to wait a week

to find out if TLR will be back

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Oct 4, 2010 3:22 PM EDT reply actions  

His quotes in that link sure sound like he's planning on coming back

I’m not sure how I feel about that. He drives me crazy sometimes with the multiple switches, etc., and someone, somewhere in the org sure has a thing for old, washed-up former Cards (Miles, Supp), but he has won a ton of games and, generally, does a good job of keeping the team driving.

Maybe they’ll offer him the job put tell him “but no more Miles, Feliz, Stavinoha, etc.”

by ArkansasTravs on Oct 4, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't really want him to come back, but at least he's not that bad of a manager

just super aggravating

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 4, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

two more years,

he’s not going anywhere until he’s #2 on that list.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Oct 4, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

argh

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 4, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think he wears the teams out emotionally

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Oct 4, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

this

He sets up a strange dynamic with his team. He demands their best and they work really hard to please him. Getting a compliment from TLR means you really have made it. But if a player tires of that game, it’s bad news. And for a whole season I would imagine it would get very old.

/spfldbird with her armchair psychology degree.

All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.
Charles M. Schulz

by spfldbird on Oct 5, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think he's terrile these days

The Cardinals underperformed their projected record by 10 games this year – a lot of that has to be placed on Tony.

by vivaelpujols on Oct 5, 2010 4:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I understand the TLR negativity but...

I’m not against him coming back. The players mostly seem loyal to him and think he puts them in a position to succeed, which is much more important than what I think.

Plus, if he says “this is my last year…” I could see a motivated team putting in a nice little run (ala Atlanta Braves)

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Oct 4, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not disagreeing with you

Because I really don’t know how loyal the players are to him. They might be loyal, or it might be mixed. However, this annual poll of the players we always hear about is an exercise in futility, and IMO pretty cynical. I imagine it would be a lot like polling Cuban’s on how they feel about Castro.

Who’s going to stick their neck out in this situation, and say they would rather have someone else come in?

by Merry CRasmus on Oct 4, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whoa whoa let's not be offensive.

I’ve heard Fidel actually knows something about baseball.

"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy

by hazel on Oct 4, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions   4 recs

jack donaghey once hit a stand up triple off of fidel castro

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on Oct 4, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

was he related to dongerous jacksonian?

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2010 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

a long lost relative of mine?

"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'" -Isaac Asimov

by jacksonian on Oct 5, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

long lost cousin maybe?

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Oct 6, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never thought I'd rec a comment defending Castro.

Well done, I laffed.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Oct 4, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

"Double switching to put the pitcher at 4th spot...

what do you think I am? A micro-managing dictator?"
        -Fidel Castro (circa 1963)

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Oct 4, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought I heard something about that from LaRussa in a before game reporter session,

and I could swear I heard him say that the older guys wanted somebody new and the younger guys wanted him back.

Maybe I dreamed it.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 4, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is true.

It’s usually pretty tough to know what players (especially classy Cardinals players) REALLY think. But I think if TLR had actually lost the confidence/loyalty of the players, you will hear more dimissive comments than “I want him back”-type remarks(like I read above).

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Oct 4, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

battled back to 10 games over .500

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 4, 2010 4:29 PM EDT reply actions  

when it didn't count and he played players he wouldn't during the year

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR

by sportsman on Oct 4, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow...

Just heard the Cards are signing Miles to a Wakefield-type, year-to-year option deal with the understanding that once he’s done he’ll be given a 2% ownership stake and he’ll take over for Oquendo as the third base/infield defense coach, thus giving him an inside track on the manager job.

Anyone else hear this?

Fire La Russa!

by guayzimi on Oct 4, 2010 4:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Might be a decent idea, but...

My only concern about eventually installing him as third base coach is that runners heading towards third would simply be unable to see the man all the way down there. Why, they wouldn’t able to see the wee man sending them home until they were practically on top of him.

Also, not sure how coachable grit is. I’ve always assumed one either has it or has not.

Adios Esposito.
Adios Sarge. Say a prayer for Surf Boy...wherever he is.

by lightbulb on Oct 4, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

They'll give him those florescent cones that parking lot attendants use.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 4, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

you got me for a second
Just heard the Cards are signing Miles

for the sake of my computer and the ears of my family, thank god i kept reading

by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 4, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hate off-days.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 4, 2010 5:29 PM EDT reply actions  

this is the cardinals

they’re supposed to be still playing dammit!

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 4, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

The 2010 Cardinals are a team built for...

a 190 game schedule… It was the system that doomed them.

Fire La Russa!

by guayzimi on Oct 4, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

The next couple weeks of withdrawals are gonna suck.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Oct 4, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just got home for the day, and I had an almost physical reaction

When I realized there would be no game that i care about for 6 MONTHS!!

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Oct 4, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

welcome to my 2010 bitches

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2010 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

me too

but they are better after a win.

I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill

by Evilfrog on Oct 4, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

anyone want to take a flier on Aki?

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 4, 2010 5:58 PM EDT reply actions  

He seems to have pulled a Skip Schumaker

Two years of a little over average hitting (OBP in the .350s, SLG around .400 or so) and then it bottomed out completely this year. UZR ranges from OK to bad at second base. Bats left, throws right. Holy Crap, he is a Japanese Skip Schumaker. Almost exactly a year older, too, both born in early February.
This is creepy.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Oct 4, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Holy god he turned into terrible.

Dunno, he’s probably worth a flyer since it seems unlikely that his true talent went from slightly above average to contender for worst player in the majors that quickly.

"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy

by hazel on Oct 4, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

But he's not worth the marginal upgrade from Skip

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Oct 4, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are there any GT for playoff games?

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Oct 4, 2010 6:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Sure.....They may just be a FS, or continuation of the day thread, but we're here.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Oct 4, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

awesome

VEB makes games awesomely awesome.

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Oct 4, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait till Christmas and we're all

deep into the withdrawals…..strange things happen.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Oct 4, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, last holliday season was just trippy.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 4, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see what you did there.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 4, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

ummmmm.....yeah, yeah, I'll take credit for that.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 4, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

strange is normal for VEB

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2010 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

you mean build up the movie at a good clip only to have it peter out at the end?

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 4, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, his movies have all steadily decreased in RottenTomato rating

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Oct 4, 2010 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

haven't watched on since Signs.

but I’d heard they sucked.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 4, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

hehe, you said peter out

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2010 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, only if you start from 8/16

Great, Great, Shitty^5

Adios Esposito.
Adios Sarge. Say a prayer for Surf Boy...wherever he is.

by lightbulb on Oct 4, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

as a member in good standing of a weezer message board and with nothing baseball-related to talk about I'm required to post this

in this correspondent’s opinion, a worthy successor to the first two weezer albums can be created by taking the best songs from red and raditude and smashing them together. Transcribed from the relevant itunes playlist:

1. the greatest man that ever lived
2. trippin’ down the freeway
3. run over by a truck
4. the prettiest girl in the whole wide world
5. pork and beans
6. miss sweeney
7. automatic
8. pig
9. I don’t want to let you go
10. The angel and the one

Miss Sweeney and Pig are as good as anything on the first two albums, I think.

by DanUpBaby on Oct 5, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'll have to listen to some of those

But I can’t see anything comparing to Blue.

by vivaelpujols on Oct 5, 2010 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

By squishing together the last 3 months of 2009 and the first 3 months of 2010

doesn’t get me a playoff appearance, I don’t think you should be able to cheat with weezer, either.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Oct 5, 2010 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

shut up.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Oct 5, 2010 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

he's be the only one

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2010 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh, I'm not apologizing for "cold dark world", which might be the creepiest song ever

but there’s some good stuff to be had. It’s like remembering fondly the parts of 2010 that didn’t have Pedro Feliz or Aaron Miles in them.

by DanUpBaby on Oct 5, 2010 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

at least I got the Rams.... wait... actually for once that's right!

2-2 baby! (And im actually a realist that doesn’t believe they’ll make the playoffs unlike some people)

small bet with my friend that Rams would finish with a losing record (if its under .500 then i get it, .500 break even, over .500 he gets it – how stupid does that sound? – even if i lose, i win cause 9-7 makes playoffs in NFC West)

by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 4, 2010 6:10 PM EDT reply actions  

shut up

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Oct 4, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

don't give up hope - the NFC West is soooo bad

but 0-4… that will be a tough one to get out of… just beat the teams you’re supposed to

by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 5, 2010 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ask the Cardinals about that.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 5, 2010 3:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Oct 5, 2010 3:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry,

Too soon?

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 5, 2010 3:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Anybody have any decent recipes for swordfish?

I’ve been scouring the internet, nothing great so far

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Oct 4, 2010 6:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Grill.

Eat.

Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork

by TBender on Oct 4, 2010 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

newest FESPN ad

the way the Phanatic whips its towel off is kind of obscene. gah.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 4, 2010 7:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Everyone go check out d-dee

Fanpost. It’s epic.

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Oct 4, 2010 7:24 PM EDT reply actions  

^ d-dee's

Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Oct 4, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

i finally understand these boog/mather references

i never knew they posted vids like that…amazing

that post is so effin detailed i probably wont ever attempt a fanpost…the template alone seems very hard to make

just a glance at the “kick ass” list…how can ddee not mention Lego’s game against the Rox (the second one we blew where Fowler hit a home run)….i know we lost but i got to actually go that game and it was awesome

by guillermozeliak on Oct 5, 2010 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

someone doesn't read the fanshots.

I and others have only been posting them for a year.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2010 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

thanks, i added that

..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Oct 5, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

i'm watching football

come back, cardinals…

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter

by prophetjohn on Oct 4, 2010 9:25 PM EDT reply actions  

I just checked the Cardinals ESPN page

they updated so the next game on the schedule is March 31, 2011. (SIGH)

This is like Day 1 of some sort of rehab…

Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"

John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."

by SheckieZx on Oct 4, 2010 9:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Smoke em if ya got em.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 4, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gamethread?

Oh, right.

Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork

by TBender on Oct 4, 2010 9:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Check back in March.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 4, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sad times - wait to March. How many of the 25 man roster return then? Manager and coaches?

An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.

HL Mencken

by akaitori on Oct 4, 2010 11:18 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm going to watch the Robot Chicken Christmas Special now

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2010 12:02 AM EDT reply actions  

you can't make the offseason go faster just by watching holiday day specials early.

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Oct 5, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

ive been watching the futurama dog clip all day

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2010 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Our goal next year

Should be to draft Tyler Greene, a high school SS with power potential. Simply to make things as confusing as possible.

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Oct 5, 2010 12:04 AM EDT reply actions  

The thought of listening to Shannon stumble over that is just delicious.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 5, 2010 3:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

you fiend

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2010 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

its been on a downward trend for awhile now.

do yourself a favor and watch Terriers instead. This show is amazing and needs to be saved.

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Oct 5, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Downward trend yeah

But that’s understandably given how unbelievably awesome the show was in the first couple of years. But it just absolutely fell off a cliff this year – did they get new writers or something?

by vivaelpujols on Oct 5, 2010 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

The problem is that House's premise is immobile

 making it exactly the kind of show that has a high peak and a swift decline. It’s the Mo Vaughn of television shows. In just one season, House has gone from above league-average to sub-replacement level.

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Oct 5, 2010 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree with that

Law and Order lasted for 20 years with the same premise, and it didn’t even have strong character development like House did.

I think the shows centered around a purpose are far better than those that develve into sitcoms or soap operas. Law and Order, Bebop, old Futurarama, etc.

by vivaelpujols on Oct 5, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

the problem is that house strayed from the premise the minute its ratings began to fall

Don’t get me wrong, I’m a sucker for tv romance, but House and Cuddy should hate each other, right? I have no idea what animates that relationship, and I have no idea why I should want to know.

by DanUpBaby on Oct 5, 2010 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's like they knew the show was going downhill, so they did something to spark a little interest

and they didn’t care that it would actually accelerate the decline in the long run.
It’s like the Kurgan said in The Highlander: It’s better to burn our than to fade away.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Oct 5, 2010 7:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

but the plot for an episode of House is probably the most rigid on television

now being several seasons in, they felt they had to change the ingredients, even a little, and it just doesn’t work.

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Oct 5, 2010 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I actually enjoyed the house/wilson are wacky roommates angle

the show got really funny for a while last year.

but house and cuddy is a huge mess.

by DanUpBaby on Oct 5, 2010 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

well yeah, because House and Wilson being roommates didn't really change the dynamic between them

House and Cuddy, however, is just a big 180.

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Oct 5, 2010 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

its had some great one liners for House tho

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2010 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

But the show wasn't centered around the plot

What made it good was the relationships between the characters. I couldn’t get enough of Wilson/House’s banter, or Chase and Foreman.

I think they just made a really terrible choice in paring up House and Cuddy, which coincided with a bout of terrible writing and boring cases.

by vivaelpujols on Oct 5, 2010 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm talking about the plot for a single episode

You know the one: Team gets new patient, come up with a series of diagnoses, proven false, House tries something crazy, Cuddy goes WTF, etc. etc. That gets messed with, the show isn’t House anymore.

As for the cases, this show is definitely not as flexible as other standalone procedurals like Law and Order (which, if the writers were running out of idea, they could just open the paper). And Futurama can be anything it wants to be (it’s not really all that committed to it’s premise).

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Oct 5, 2010 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

But I would say that the very very best shows, at least from a literary stand-point, are serialized

Mad Men, Breaking Bad, The Sopranos and of course the Universally Recognized Greatest Show on Television™, The Wire.

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Oct 5, 2010 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

neither have i

i think i saw one clip of mad men

i will check out Terriers per your rec. purple

by guillermozeliak on Oct 5, 2010 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

yup, just click the link, first three episodes are right there.

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Oct 5, 2010 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

and if you really want to catch up with any show....

<_<

>_>

/whisper
oneddl.com
/whisper

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Oct 5, 2010 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

i tend to find

sites that instantly show them…w/o a download

but i guess i can get used to this site if i need a reliable source…thx for the link!

by guillermozeliak on Oct 5, 2010 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

casttv.com

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2010 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

casttv has stuff up almost mediately

i’m really impatience & dont like to wait so since ive never found stuff on surf the same night i use casttv

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2010 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

yea...i just live w/ it

but sometimes ill check youtube that night…before they take it down due to copyright

by guillermozeliak on Oct 5, 2010 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

the fact that True Blood is 9 out of the top 11 most popular links listed on that site

is just depressing.

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Oct 5, 2010 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

i like to have the whole show without having to worry about streaming.

easier to go back a little if i missed something.

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Oct 5, 2010 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

any time you want to have your whole world perspective fucked with

give The Wire a shot. The first three episodes are a slog, but work through it. By the time you get to the scene that only uses variations of the word fuck, you’re already hooked.

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Oct 5, 2010 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

ive never seen the wire but everyone who's seen it loves it

i’ve never heard of anyone who saw it & didn’t like it

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2010 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

wikipedia refers to it as the Greatest Television Series Ever Made

and wiki does not say such things lightly

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Oct 5, 2010 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

But my point is that the success of an individual show wasn't contingent on the plot

It often served as the mechanism for which character development came out of. In the later seasons (which I thought were still very good), they often strayed away from the cases.

Like I said, they just made a terrible choice with Cuddy/House, and the writing/interactions between characters has been awful this year. Maybe it’s inevitable, but the show didn’t have a slow decline – it absolutely fell of a cliff.

by vivaelpujols on Oct 5, 2010 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I actually haven't seen any of this season besides the opener, but it can't be worse than what happened to Scrubs

or shiver what’s going on with Weeds.

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Oct 5, 2010 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed on both counts

At least Entourage is starting to get good again (even it it’s like the stupidest show on tv).

by vivaelpujols on Oct 5, 2010 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

really? i gave up on that one a few episodes into this season

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Oct 5, 2010 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh, wow, scrubs was a mess

for longer than it was good by the end, I think—it’s been a while but I remember it falling off a huge cliff and getting incredibly weepy after season three. One of my favorites in high school, though.

I’ve only seen the house premiere this year, and the weird part is that I was fine about the scenes without house and cuddy having really awful relationship conversations. The characters are still fun, and the show is still really interestingly shot and paced. It’s just really betrayed the idea of its main character.

by DanUpBaby on Oct 5, 2010 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

i liked that show longer than most

i didn’t even mind the weepiness most of the time, but dear lord, by the last season when Sarah Chalke had an obviously botched nose-job and Zach Braff just up and left, it was too painful to watch.

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Oct 5, 2010 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

After the first couple of seasons I got really tired of a few things in Scrubs

First, JD does terrible things all the time and never seems to actually change. Second, every damn episode ends with something “serious” happening, complete with JD giving some touchy feely monologue about how “the thing about being a doctor is, sometimes things don’t always work out the way you want them… [characters doing something difficult but doing the right thing] but in the end it’s all worth it” while incredibly cheesy music plays in the background (also, sometimes incredibly cheesy music is overdone and drowns out everything else because they feel the need to hammer it into your head that this scene is really deep, man). Every. Episode.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Oct 5, 2010 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

but..but...the janitor!

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on Oct 5, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I loved the janitor

I sometimes refer to myself as Dr. Jan Itor in his honor. But even his wackiness couldn’t save the show from itself.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Oct 5, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

i gave up on entourage

after giving it a try a couple of years ago

also you have to remember:

House: so far 135 ep’s @ 45 mins a piece
Weeds: so far 70 ep’s @ 25 mins a piece

by guillermozeliak on Oct 5, 2010 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

this past season of Entourage was probably one of the best

Vince finally went off the deep end like he should have done 4 seasons ago & Ari’s actions are finally having the reactions they should have had 6 seasons ago

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by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2010 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

truthfully, weeds was never good after the first season. and yet...i keep watching it. sigh

You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein

by IHeartBoog on Oct 5, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think ill always watch house....one of the greatest shows ive seen

but after the writers strike *2 yrs ago?…i missed parts of season 5 in 08….and season 6 in 2009 with the premiere of House in the mental institute i saw…but for some reason i missed most of that season

season 7…i havent even started watching yet

basically ill just catch up on 6….and then start watching again

i tend to batch my episodes together…..it flows together bettter and i remember the show better

by guillermozeliak on Oct 5, 2010 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

law & order sucked ass

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by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2010 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

it was hit and miss

like the Simpsons and SNL, any stand-alone show that runs that long is just going to have ups and downs rather than an overall trend.

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Oct 5, 2010 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I've watched every episode of the Simpsons probably 3 times

I can safely say there was a sustained period of excellence from season 4 to 16 or so.

by vivaelpujols on Oct 5, 2010 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pujolsian?

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Oct 5, 2010 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

won't your bf be jealous?

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by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2010 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

no he's chill

your mom on the other hand…

by vivaelpujols on Oct 5, 2010 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

my mom's dead jerk

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by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2010 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

disagreeing

I enjoy every season, though it didn’t really bounce back from losing briscoe until lupo/rubirosa/etc. at the end. excellent show.

Is LA any good? I don’t remember to watch TV shows first-run anymore.

by DanUpBaby on Oct 5, 2010 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

i'm not sure, i haven't seen it

L&O was too predictable for my taste. it’s not like House isn’t either, but i just never liked L&O. when it started it was supposed to replace hill street blues & i know you kids never saw that, but L&O was no hill street so that’s probably why i never really gave it a chance

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by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2010 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I used to enjoy Law and Order, but got really tired of it recently.

Sometimes their use of current events in the episodes is well done, sometimes it’s very heavy-handed and insulting to my intelligence. I like the low-key feel of the show and how it has never been flashy (unlike CSI, ugh) but it is not a character driven show at all, and I need a bit more character development to really keep watching a show like that. It has been on so long that some of the plots are practically recycled from previous episodes. Also, if you have cable it’s hard not to find some form of Law and Order on at any given time, and that’s just too much overexposure.
I am a committed NCIS fan however.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Oct 5, 2010 7:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not a fan of new Law and Order

But the seasons with Briscoe were the best.

by vivaelpujols on Oct 5, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

i would love to watch Terriers but FOX & Dish took away my FX

YOU BASTARDS! NOW I CAN’T WATCH SOA EITHER YOU BASTARDS

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2010 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

luckily, FX puts pretty much everything they do on Hulu.

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Oct 5, 2010 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

i'm still not happy about it

few things piss me off more than f’ing billionaires fighting over money & screwing their customers & fans

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2010 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

at least FX is pretty chill

they’ll renew anything that they think has enough merit. Look at Louie.

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Oct 5, 2010 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Terriers is purely awesome.

I fucking love it and SOA.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 5, 2010 3:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

SOA is so very good

damn i wish i was a BA biker

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2010 3:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like how they don't pull any punches.

It’s just in your face.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 5, 2010 3:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

it's heavy, raw inyoufacedontgiveadamnwhatyouthink tv & i love every minute of it

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2010 3:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

But it was so boring!

There was maybe one funny line in the show, House had almost zero personality, the case was incredibly boring and the team spent all of 1 minute dissecting it. Literally half the show was about trying to figure out why the lady wanted to kill herself – and I just don’t give too shits about some completely random patient. Also, House’s obsession with the books was just weird – not funny like it was with Brock Sterling and the soap operas.

by vivaelpujols on Oct 5, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

dexter is off to a pretty good start

and eastbound and down too. mad men is making me go what the hell is going to happen next, crazy season overall

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 5, 2010 1:24 AM EDT reply actions  

i'm loving mad men, i only saw the eastbound premier & i didn't think it was that funny

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2010 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes...

dexter…. basically one of the few i watch (and batch together since 15 percent of dexter ep’s are clips and recaps on SHO)

by guillermozeliak on Oct 5, 2010 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

i liked the premiere of Dexter but this second episode just made me cringe

the actors who play Cody and Astor are not well-equipped to handle the level of emotion that is required of them.

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Oct 5, 2010 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

You are correct.

SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER DO NOT READ

But them leaving is absolutely fucking awesome for the show

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Oct 5, 2010 2:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

your "spoiler" was not in vein

i ended up watching the ep after u posted, cause i may as well

but now that i think about…i guess they are written out of the season, i wouldnt have thought that….im not on top of my advanced thinking for dexter

by guillermozeliak on Oct 5, 2010 6:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

is Kirk Gibson really old enough to be the manager of the DBacks?

holy cow was 88 really 22 years ago?

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2010 1:56 AM EDT reply actions  

i'm 20

and I was born in 90

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Oct 5, 2010 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

i hate you

no, i take that back. enjoy your youth, treasure it, savor every second of it, live it up young man, live it up

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2010 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

i'm not currently on the top 10 list of Cardinals prospects

which means my youth has already been wasted

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Oct 5, 2010 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

i cried for years when i realized i'd never play LF for the Cardinals

in fact, i’m tearing up a little right now. thanks for opening up old woulds jerk

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2010 2:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

you were funny last night)

I"m reading this tuesday am

All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.
Charles M. Schulz

by spfldbird on Oct 5, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Now you're giving him hope.

If there’s one thing gdm hates, it’s hope.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 5, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

it is the worst of all evils

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Oct 6, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is a joke, right?

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Oct 5, 2010 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

thought so, just making sure.

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Oct 5, 2010 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

i'm pretty sure you can be deported for not know who he is

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by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2010 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

go back to your country, VEP

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Oct 5, 2010 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

wat

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 5, 2010 2:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Something to do with pine tar, that's all I got.

Was he good or sumthing????/

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Oct 5, 2010 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

So is there gonna be a big Yu Darvish sweepstakes this offseason?

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Oct 5, 2010 2:11 AM EDT reply actions  

npbtracker is skeptical he'll be posted

I’d like to see the Cardinals more active in Japan/Korea etc. though. It seems like one way to get OBP and no power, to bring it back to an earlier conversation, is to sign an outfielder who hits for power in japan and prepare to be a little disappointed.

by DanUpBaby on Oct 5, 2010 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would also like to see the Cards in Asia

but i’m very skeptical of bidding wars for big name NPB stars which have yielded more Daisukes than Ichiros.

Darvish is young though, so he could be worth it.

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Oct 5, 2010 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

I see that you've read about MacArthur.

You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 5, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only slightly less famous is this:

Never go up against the Yankees when an expensive free agent is on the line!
Ah ha ha ha ha ha ha!
Ah ha ha—

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Oct 5, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

i would think after they loved So so much they'd be all over Asia

i’m actually surprised they aren’t over there more trying to get players

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by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2010 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is my niche with a ML team!

Though my Chinese has to improve from above-average conversationally to business-level Chinese. Which is really fucking hard…

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Oct 5, 2010 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, Tom Cruise actually introduced baseball to Japan

It’s in The Last Samurai, I’m pretty sure that movie is historically accurate.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Oct 5, 2010 7:54 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

i would really like to see baseball be an international sport

little international communities are all over the place, but I would like to see a rise in the level of competition in these leagues.

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Oct 5, 2010 2:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or sign Shin Soo-Choo and get both, and defense.

(And possible problems with national service requirements)

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Oct 5, 2010 7:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

get Yoshida

she’s already in-country

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2010 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Best "This is Sportscenter" commercial

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77fM_9w7mBU

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Oct 5, 2010 2:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Nope

it’s this one

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Oct 5, 2010 2:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

whatever happened to Stuart Scott anyway?

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Oct 5, 2010 2:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

he's & his creepy glass eye are on all the time

he does nfl & nba stuff & a few SC’s a month

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by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2010 2:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

i wonder what it would be like if i ever learned how to speak & type properly?

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by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2010 2:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

They're all so fucking good

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27iQdCffxFk&feature=related

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Oct 5, 2010 2:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhY2zsSSRO8&feature=related

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Oct 5, 2010 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

i don't get it

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2010 2:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Soccer captains exchange jerseys after games

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Oct 5, 2010 2:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

oookkkkaaaayyyyyy

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2010 2:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

why don't you eliminate them Albert would like a word with you

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2010 2:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

speaking of good TV, is anyone else excited about The Walk Dead?

it looks so good & debuting on Halloween night is perfect

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by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2010 2:52 AM EDT reply actions  

I have literally no idea of what you're talking about

Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'

by mysterui on Oct 5, 2010 2:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

ZOMBIES

F’IN ZOMBIES BITCHES!

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by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2010 2:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

ah of course you mean

THE WALKING DEAD

and yes I’m pretty excited

by infallibleopiniongenerator on Oct 5, 2010 2:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

i'm betting we'll never have to worry me speaking & typing correctly

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Oct 5, 2010 3:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

think this would set anyone straight on the douche shirts?

(no, we know lemur is a lost cause)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNumX3RHRQQ

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2010 9:48 AM EDT reply actions  

montage ahoy!

ok fespn. don’t suck

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2010 9:50 AM EDT reply actions  

sadly, we sucked.

it would’ve been decent without Bobby Valentine.

Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Oct 5, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

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