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St. Louis Cardinals Prospect Ranking #1-#10

 

This is the part of the year I hate. When the season is over and we don't make the playoffs (or we're eliminated early) and it's still too early for a hot stove and all there is to do is sit and watch other teams live the dream. Personally, this is the time of year I find the most solace in prospecting. Better to look to the future than to have to reflect on the stillborn child that was this season. 

Unfortunately, this Cardinals system still isn't a good one. While I definitely like the direction that Jeff Luhnow has taken the organization in terms of drafting, international signing and player development, we're still in the early stages of recovery. There are, of course, no real elite prospects on here besides Shelby Miller and he's still far far away from the big club. This is, however, a much better look for our system than its low point at the end of 2009, when Colby Rasmus, Brett Wallace and Chris Perez were all graduated, traded or graduated then traded. Back then, the only real breakout candidate in A ball was Robert Stock.

Now in 2010, Shelby has a year of dominance under his belt, we have another good first round pick, and a whole bunch of new prospects from our most recent draft and the Dominican, ranging from intriguing to possibly elite. So, without further ado...

Star-divide

 

#1. Shelby Miller - 1st Round, 2009 - Quad Cities

                The easiest pick by far. Shelby was good in all the ways we were hoping for him to be this season. I’ve seen various criticisms of Miller for not going deep into games or not being promoted to more difficult competition but it’s clear that the system is trying a careful, considerate approach. His peripherals are excellent, with a ridiculous K/9 of twelve and four to one K/BB ratio. That, along with unflappable poise and a plus-plus fastball that sits in the mid-nineties is precisely what I was hoping to see from a kid who just turned twenty a week ago. The curve has the makings of a plus pitch and the change is coming along as well. The ceiling here is something like Justin Verlander.

 

#2 . An Austin Wilson-shaped void, I mean, Zach Cox - 1st Round 2010 - Gulf Coast League

                Zach Cox was a pretty good pick for where we got him and he’s a fast mover who plays at a position of organizational weakness. Despite that, he wasn’t a gimme for this ranking. I’m always a bit weary of guys labeled as having "doubles power", but at least he doesn’t seem to be a big risk of losing his premium position status and going in the direction of Brett Wallace. The traditional comp here would be Dan Uggla, but I think he’ll hit more like a left-handed Martin Prado. My goal for him in the upcoming season would be to end up in AAA where he can vie for the starting 2b job in 2012. It’s not clear whether the organization is going to try to keep him at second or move him to third, but either way, we need him here in St. Louie and quick.

 

#3. Carlos Matias/Martias/Matinez/Martinez - International 2010 - Dominican Summer League

                My research says that not only does Martiasnez’s fastball run in the upper 90s with good control and cutting action, but it also has restored the vision of several blind Dominican children and leaves a trail of gold coins wherever it is thrown. He’s had some identity issues before and I’d like to see him play American ball before I fully buy into him. But if he’s anywhere remotely close to as good as Ben Badler described him, he could conceivably shoot up to the top of these rankings. Yes, above Shelby Miller. Don’t believe me? Here’s a quote from Badler’s write-up when we signed him: "Between the velocity and cutting action on his fastball, it is a true 80 pitch on the 20-80 scouting scale, already one of the best fastballs at any level of baseball". Holy Christ. Ben’s effusiveness seems to be supported by the numbers Matinezias has put up in the Dominican Summer League: a K/BB of 5.57 and a K/9 of 11.89 over 59 IP. All at the (supposed) age of 18. He’s a bit small and skinny, at 6’0, 160 lbs. So for a comp… who knows? Pedro Martinez? The secret pitching alter-ego of Amaury Marti Cazana? Wait a second… Marti… Matias… Martinez…  Hmmmm...

 

#4. Eduardo Sanchez - International 2005 - Memphis

                A fireballing fastball/slider type closer, like Brad Lidge back before Albert Pujols broke his soul. Good command and ready for the major leagues. Our system has done a fairly good job of filling the bullpen with young live arms and upside but Sanchez is the best of ‘em. He looked so polished at the Futures Game that it was hard to understand why we didn’t bring him up immediately. Relief pitchers aren’t the most exciting prospects but I sure as hell feel better knowing we have Sanchez ready to go rather than having to sign some Brian Fuentes type who would inevitably be a payroll drag and eventually be replaced by a prospect pitcher anyway.

 

#5. Matt Carpenter - 13th Round 2009 - Springfield

                I’m a Matt Carpenter believer. The guy oozes polish when he comes up to bat, picking and choosing his pitches and unleashing on the right ones. It’s a pleasure to watch. He really only has 10-15 HR power, but we could definitely use a nice healthy dose of OBP in our lineup, and Matt’s got it in spades. The only question here is the defense which gets mixed reviews but if he can post an OBP around .380 and play average third base, he could have a long career. This might seem like an aggressive ranking for him but he gets a major bump because I think he’s ready for the big club right now. Here’s an old school comp for ya: how about Kevin Seitzer, former Royals third baseman and current Royals hitting coach. Go ahead, look him up, I’ll wait.

 

#6. Oscar Taveras - International 2008 - Johnson City

                Another import from the DSL, 18 year old Oscar Taveras turned heads at Johnson City this year with a .322/.362/.526 line. People are excited about this guy. Luhnow is excited about this guy. Baseball America ranked him as the fourth best prospect in the Appalachian League, right above baby Delino DeShields. He’s a toolsy centerfielder but I haven’t heard much about the defense yet. He also doesn’t walk much and his swing looks a little weird to me. At this point, I’m done trying to give comps for everyone, as I haven’t really felt strongly about the ones I’ve given so far but Taveras could have a Colby-like breakout.

 

#7. Cody Stanley - 4th Round 2010 - Johnson City

                After being drafted in the fourth round, Cody Stanley had no problems hitting in the Appy League. Although he was a touch old for the league at 21, his .321/.380/.498 line looks very good for a catcher. His defense was something of a question when we picked him, especially his ability to hold the running game. He’d had good results so far, but scouts questioned how his release would translate to pro-ball.  Stanley managed to continue throwing out baserunners at a well above average level. I think he’ll be at least an average major league defender, perhaps better. He can even run well. He’s a complete player (not the same as a 5-tool player) and I think he can move through the system fairly quickly.

 

#8. Lance Lynn - 1st Round 2008 - Memphis

                Lynn’s 2010 season was more of a lateral step. He spent the whole year at Memphis where his numbers took a significant drop. At one point, he had fallen off my top 10 entirely. By the end of the season, however, Lynn seemed to be figuring things out, including a breath-taking 16 strikeout postseason start. As a major leaguer, he looks like a #4 or #5 fastball/change-up type who sits in the high eighties to low nineties. His stuff isn’t electric but fits in well with the organization’s sinkerballing philosophy and could excel under Dave Duncan. He still needs a little more time in the PCL and could be inducing more groundballs but I expect his results next season will be good enough for a September call-up and a shot in the rotation in 2012.

 

#9. Deryk Hooker - 7th Round 2007 - Palm Beach

                The numbers are good, the stuff is good, the age is appropriate. The only possible qualm here is that the dude likes to get high.  Regardless, the drugs weren’t a problem in 2010, another successful season for Hooker which propelled him up to A+ ball. The repertoire is in the Adam Wainwright style (though I’m not saying he’ll be that good): low 90s fastball and a changeup to compliment the centerpiece, a wicked curveball. The polish is coming. So far, Hooker’s minor league numbers look good from the bottom up: in 268 IP since 2007, Hooker has put up a 3.09 ERA, 10.1 K/9 and 3 BB/9. Hooker just needs to keep truckin’ and he could make a good #3 starter in the not too distant future.

 

#10. Tyrell Jenkins - 1st Round 2010 - Johnson City

                Right now, Tyrell Jenkins is all ceiling. I really like it when the Cardinals draft for ceiling but to make your way up my organizational rankings, you have to earn it. That said, Jenkins could be a #1 starter one day and there’s only so far someone with that kind of potential could fall in my list. His fastball sits at about 92-93 with good movement and he has the makings of a slider and change-up. What you are buying into here is the frame and the athleticism. Tyrell has all the projectability in the world and a good, loose delivery.  He’s as raw as they come, having never completely focused on baseball and his control is mediocre right now but if you like the star potential, Tyrell Jenkins is for the dreamers. 

 

Stay tuned for #11 - #20 coming soon...

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Deryk Hooker
The only possible qualm here is that the dude likes to get high.

My new favorite prospect.

The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun

by mob16151 on Oct 23, 2010 10:04 PM EDT reply actions  

just imagine the nickname possibilities

..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Oct 23, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I for one

cant wait for “Towlie Hooker” towl night at Busch in 2014

by jealousblues on Oct 24, 2010 6:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't Forget to Bring a Towel!

;=8)

Spare me your taradiddles!!!!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Oct 25, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

hold on

a guy with a screen name purple haze is criticizing a guy who likes to get high? that’s hilarious….

by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 24, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

no judgments

he just happens to be a professional baseball player and getting suspended affects his value. not all that much, i should think, just an interesting note that i thought i should include.

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Oct 24, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

i was just kidding

i could care less if he smokes, it doesn’t mean much on him as a person to me

by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 24, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Oct 24, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

what.. about... amaury marti?

..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter

by d-dee on Oct 23, 2010 10:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Amaury Marti is unfortunately old enough to consider wearing a glove to be a newfangled affectation

which makes him badass but not a prospect.

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Oct 24, 2010 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

did Descalso get left off the list because of his MLB time this year?

Or is he not considered in our top ten? I think he will be our starting 2B at some point. Also does anyone still believe in DJ Tools? I miss him.

by rumors on Oct 24, 2010 12:41 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

not in the top ten

My decisions on who to leave off due to MLB playing time were somewhat arbitrary. I decided that Craig, Greene, Anderson and basically anyone who made it up to the big club not on a September call-up would be left off the list, just because we already know enough about them. The exception here is Steven Hill, who only made it up for one game, so he gets to stay on the list (if he makes it).

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Oct 24, 2010 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

thoughts (great article btw)

1. I simply can’t wait til Shelby Miller is starting, I think he might be like having another Waino

2. can Zach Cox be the new Tommy Herr? I think I like him better as a 2B than a third baseman /obvious

3. Matianez – possible competition for Chapman?

4. Sanchez – I agree, seeing him pitch in the futures game or whatever, he looked amazing. can he be closer soon plz?

5. who is better, Freese or Carpenter?

6, 7, 9 and 10: didn’t know about these guys, thanks for the info!

Lance Lynn, I dunno, I think Duncan can find a use for the guy

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 24, 2010 1:05 AM EDT reply actions  

1. Shelby Miller throws a lot harder though
2. Hopefully better than Tom Herr, who doesn’t stand up to modern evaluation that well (career OPS of .696).
3. He’d have to really really impress to compete with Aroldis. Aroldis is a top 5 prospect in baseball right now.
4. Very yes.
5. If you factor in health, I favor Carpenter. If you’re talking about who is the better player right now, Freese’s defense gives him the edge.

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Oct 24, 2010 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

1. yeah, diff type of pitcher. his curve will not be as good, but he’ll have a way better fastball
2. Tom Herr had this weird way of delivering a lot of big hits, though. probably doesn’t up his overall value much, but at least he was a decent enough 2nd baseman, I will be happy if we finally have someone that is not a liability over there. skip could do that next year, but I’m not banking on it.
3. wow… yeah, when you throw 105, people are going to notice. still, it would be nice to have a good closer

agree on Freese

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 24, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm greedy
can Zach Cox be the new Tommy Herr?

I want him to be the next Rogers Hornsby.

by JWO on Oct 25, 2010 3:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

now wouldn't that be nice

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 25, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

can we really have martinez so high up on the list so soon?

dude hasn’t thrown a pitch in the USA yet

All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away

by gdm426 on Oct 24, 2010 2:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Based on sheer potential

and the weakness of the system, without a doubt.

Baseball makes the world go 'round, or at least in my world it does.

by Whiteyballer on Oct 24, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

It took me embarrassingly long to figure out

that TOLAXOR was ROX A LOT backwards.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Oct 24, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

i will admit

I never figured it out until just now.

by rumors on Oct 24, 2010 5:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Haha

by “embarrassingly long” I actually meant “when I saw Dave Barry’s comment in this thread.”

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Oct 24, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

does martinez profile

As a starter or closer?

by rumors on Oct 24, 2010 5:25 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Martinez was starting in the DSL

His longest start being an eight inning June 28 outing. He only pitched 53 innings, so it’s hard to say for sure about his durability but the Cardinals will for sure be trying him as a starter.

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Oct 24, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks.

what level do you think he will start at in the U.S.?

by rumors on Oct 24, 2010 6:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Johnson City

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Oct 24, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know one way or the other

But isn’t that a big jump from the DSL? It might be more usual to put him and Cox in Quad Cities to begin the season?

I guess Martinez will get a serious evaluation for level at Spring training.

Play ball!

by IL and StL Fan on Oct 24, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh man

if him and cox are both river bandits, I’m buying some tix

"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 24, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Quad Cities is above Johnson City

J City is rookie ball and QC is A-.
Cox will probably go to Palm Beach.

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Oct 24, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oops!

You’re right about the levels.

Aw, heck, 95mph+ fastball with control, just send Martinez to Iowa.

And I though 1-for-Arizona might get Cox sent there too…

Play ball!

by IL and StL Fan on Oct 24, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

if everything pans out 2014 rotation of

Waino
Garcia
Miller
Martinez
Hooker/lynn

Is that realistic? I’m not an expert on how fast they will all progress.

by rumors on Oct 24, 2010 9:00 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

if everything pans out (and it won't)

Tyrell Jenkins will knock both Lynn and Hooker off the list.

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Oct 24, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

if just two of them

Pan out though. We still have one of the better rotations in the league. If not the best. Of course that’s a huge if.

by rumors on Oct 24, 2010 9:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

This is like modern-day Hoss Radburn speak

"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby

by albrtfn on Oct 25, 2010 3:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Still early to tell, but

Broderick and Kopp from the Springfield Cardinals may bear in this conversation.

by JWO on Oct 25, 2010 3:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just noticed this

I think its unrealistic to think we’ll have a starting rotation from only our own farm system (Wainwright is debatable, but I think we got him early enough on to call him ours). The Cardinals always, always, always find at least one innings-eater or experiment as a free agent. This won’t be different in 2014.

by JWO on Nov 11, 2010 12:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Steven Hill belongs on this list

He had great numbers last year.
.271 / .345 / .529

He also mashed 24 home runs in 395 at-bats, so he has considerable power. Weakness is his defense, but that might be something solved by moving him to a different position.

Hill probably won’t end up playing for St. Louis, but he could prove a valuable piece of a trade.

by JWO on Oct 25, 2010 3:20 AM EDT reply actions  

i like the power, but he was repeating AA for the third year in a row this year

and has been oft injured. I’m not automatically turned off by the age thing (see my rating of Matt Carpenter) but he’s pretty much always been old for his league and has moved slowly through the system. I wouldn’t be surprised if he puts together a couple good major league seasons but I doubt his stay in the majors will be long.

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Oct 25, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hill has

always reminded me a bit of Mike Jacobs. Both were contact challenged pseudo catchers who really didn’t have a position, but had decent power. Jacobs had a little bit of a run in MLB, but was never tremendously valuable. In my mind that’s about the best we can expect from Hill, which doesn’t make him much of a prospect.

by Dave Barry on Oct 25, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, I think his progression has been pretty steady

He’s only played two years at AA, really. That third year was split between Springfield and Palm Beach (with the majority of his games at “A ball” level).

And with the loss of Larue and the likely promotion of Pagnozzi / Anderson to Cardinal backup, Hill will almost certainly be in Memphis next year. He’s still only 25, too. At this rate, he will make it to the Majors at an earlier age than David Freese.

Again, my only concern is what the Cardinals will do with him. If they want to utilize and keep that power, catcher might not be the best position for him. I wonder if he plays any right field…

by JWO on Oct 26, 2010 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

injuries + age + unlikely to keep premium position = not that valuable of a prospect

but there more I think about it, the more i think he’ll make it into the second half of my list.

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Oct 26, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just stick him at second.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Oct 26, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can he catch from second base?

:=8.

Spare me your taradiddles!!!!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Oct 27, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nice post

Although I still disagree with a lot of people’s lofty ratings of Eduardo Sanchez – to me it just doesn’t jive with the fact that RPs, even very good ones, just aren’t as valuable as position players. If Matt Carpenter has a 50% chance of being an average 3B for a few years, or Oscar Taveras has, say, a 10% chance of being an all-star and a 20-30% chance of being an average player, that’s simply more valuable than a guy (Sanchez) who has, say, a 50% chance of being a decent set-up guy and maybe a 20% chance of being a shutdown closer, even though I like Sanchez a lot and I’d say that, raw-talent wise, he deserves to be up there.

Not sure about Cody Stanley, either, personally. He hit well enough but, put quite simply, I don’t think advanced college players dominating in the Appy league or any form of short-season ball should be taken as proof of anything much. Remember Robert Stock last year? I think he’ll be a competent catcher and he’s got a chance to be some sort of hitter, but he’s still a long way from the major leagues and for me his ceiling is pretty low (somewhere between backup catcher and something approaching a league-average starter).

But cool stuff anyhow – it’s fun to debate the minor league setup!

Still bitching to contact.

by Felonius_Monk on Oct 28, 2010 9:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Ah yes, the Robert Stock precedent

I think that Cody is a much more polished player (both offensively and defensively) and I think his bat will translate better.

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Oct 29, 2010 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

i'd put martinez ahead of cox

i think he’s the number 2 prospect in the system and could eclipse shelby next season with an outstanding performance

Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter

by prophetjohn on Nov 4, 2010 12:40 PM EDT reply actions  

and, btw

martinez is official. he has his visa and will be playing american ball next season. your post makes it seem like you didn’t know that, not sure

Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter

by prophetjohn on Nov 4, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty busy with some other projects right now but it's not far off

I figured there’s not much else going on this offseason, no reason to rush it.

If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.

by purple_haze on Nov 13, 2010 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

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