TonyWatch 2010 Ends
by azruavatar on Oct 18, 2010 5:42 PM EDT
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PrintJoe Strauss reports that it's official: Tony LaRussa wil be back for his 16th season as manager of the Cardinals. The entire coaching staff, save one, will be tendered contracts as well.
That 'save one' is long time bullpen coach Marty Mason. Mason is being "fired" and it's being framed in terms of the ongoing dispute over the player development system. I've always had a positive opinion of Mason (though if you asked me why, I'd likely sputter a non-sensical "Just 'Cause."
If the change to Jeff Luhnow's office door plaque was deemed a demotion or step backwards of some sort for his clout within the organization, this firing has to be a strong repudiation that the analytical/scouting department is losing sway.
Best of luck to Marty Mason in his future travels. Welcome back your 2011 coaching staff, which looks conspiciously like the 2010 version.
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the horrific reign of Armin Tamzarian is over, huzzah
Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students
by TomCat009 on Oct 18, 2010 5:48 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
What a terrific reference
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
The tough thing about this
is arguing that 1) managers don’t have that much of an effect on a team’s record over 162 games AND 2) the Cardinals should let go of LaRussa because of the team’s performance in 2010. I’d like to have my cake and eat it too, please.
If you’re going to argue TLR should go, it almost has to be based on personality issues or you have to deny premise number 1.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
by azruavatar on Oct 18, 2010 5:49 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
i'm basing my opinion on personality issues
oh well. lets just hope we can move forward with improving the team now.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Moving Right Along
I really want to move along and just forget the last two months. I REALLY REALLY want to do that. But this is just asinine. Marty Mason is the reason that we choked in August and September? I don’t think so.
I’m probably overreacting, but for the first time in my life, I face the prospect of a new baseball season with utter dread.
i don't
Still have Pujols, Holliday, Rasmus, Wainwright and Carpenter. The loss of Marty isn’t that big of a deal.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
by Evilfrog on Oct 18, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
he wasnt fired because he caused the team to tank
he was fired because he wasnt on board with the plan
the team “stunk” on its own, but that doesnt mean that this wasnt a problem (or wasnt going to be a problem in the future).
by jealousblues on Oct 19, 2010 4:44 AM EDT up reply actions
The vast majority of the reason I wanted TLR gone
is the TLR being here = a non-zero chance of Colby being sent away. I think a young, cost controlled, enormous upside CF would provide INFINITELY more value to the organization than an aging, occasionally befuddled and befuddling manager would.
And to those who reply, “Yeah, but if Tony goes, then Albert goes to and there wailing and gnashing of teeth and it rains frogs,” simply understand that I don’t believe that’s true. I guess now we’ll never know.
Mo said he's not trading Colby
He said it, point blank. I don’t understand why people are concerned about this so much.
but Strauss said...
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
some people will think what they want regardless
im just gonna ignore the “colby will be traded” talk now
by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 18, 2010 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
And what happens if LaRussa gets into another fight with Colby next year?
by vivaelpujols on Oct 19, 2010 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions
oquendo gets his shot a year aheada of the Plan?
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
they continue playing baseball?
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
I would argue that managers don't have a positive effect on team performance, only negative
And LaRussa did all he could to have a negative effect on this teams performance, both this year and in the future.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 18, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know how to verify this either way.
Perhaps you could argue that the ideal manager has no positive impact on his players’ performance, and that less-than-ideal managers only impinge on that performance, never improve it. But I have no real idea if that is true.
It seems to me that a highly effective manager could conceivably improve player motivation (which, like any human endeavor, is subject to variation), which could have a positive impact on performance.
But I can’t imagine LaRussa on the plus side of that column the last few years, either.
Play ball!
by IL and StL Fan on Oct 18, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I just don't buy this assymetrical argument
Not that I terribly thrilled with TLR returning.
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
Yeah it's a bit extreme
I would think that some managers truly have the ability to get more out of there players, but I would think managerial talent is heavily skewed in the negative.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 18, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Because the correct decision is often to do something obvious, the same thing as before, or to do nothing;
play the best lineup, use the best pitcher, let the starter pitch out of a jam, pinch hit with a bad hitter up and the bases loaded, don’t bunt, play simple shifts. It’s not that hard to make correct tactical decisions, but the majority of managerial moves seem to be just dumb crap thrown out there to “shake things up.”
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
I think a good manager...
can definitely have a positive effect on team performance just as a lousy manager can have an adverse effect. Pretty much the same as an office manager or a military leader.
Some managers have a way of bringing out the best in a player and some actually teach them something that can help their game…not all but some.
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by Dave Pendleton on Oct 18, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I just think that factor is massively overwhelmed
By the fact that ALL managers are terrible in game strategists and lineup constructors, and many of them have egos that get in the way of their jobs.
I seriously believe that if you replaced Tony with a couch, the team would have had 4 more wins last year.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 19, 2010 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions
how would the couch spend the salary, though?
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cleanup hitters, eh?
i can dig it
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his salary was about the value of a "win" on the FA market
so, 5 wins.
Maybe more. In those terms, TLR + Skip Schumaker was about as expensive as either JJ Hardy or Orlando Hudson + Ron Gardenhire. Hardy was 2.4 WAR, Hudson, 3.1.
TLR let Felipe Lopez and Joe Mather pitch in a game that mattered. That’s -$4.5M right there.
Hell, he tempted the GOB, got lucky, and then kicked them in the balls, just to make sure. And then, when he got lucky, again, he kicked them in the balls, again.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
I'm still astounded by that game
(extras in NY)
so many chances for TLR to make an awful decision, and he seized on far too many of them.
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Oct 19, 2010 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions
i think i can only count 3 games
where i think Tony LaRussa fucked up imo
the ny game obviously
and then there was game where he double switched the pitcher behind pujols again (i dont know if this was one of my 3…but it was a mind boggler after what happened agains the mets…you’d think u would learn)
the other 2 i dont remember
by guillermozeliak on Oct 19, 2010 3:20 AM EDT up reply actions
actuallly
one game i liiked was when he went out to talk to Adam in the cubs game in september when there were 2 men on…..i thought he was going to take him out but he talked to him…and Adam got the double play ball
we but tony let me see Adam pitch to his potential and let him take that inning into his own hands
by guillermozeliak on Oct 19, 2010 3:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I think #1 is tossed around a bit too loosely.
Of course managers can impact the game, but generally the most they do is fill out the lineup cards, which is pretty easy since all there is to do is identify the best players. Unfortunately, Tony too often can NOT identify the best players.
Still, his irrational favoritism of Miles, Stav, etc. probably only cost the team a few wins; the real problems in 2009 were health and offensive production from 2B, SS, and 3B.
The only other impactful TLR complaint is that his influence is what puts guys like Miles and Stav on the roster to begin with. This does not conflict with #1 though because that’s a case of Tony acting as the General Manager, and not the manager.
All in all, this isn’t too bad so long as it doesn’t lead to an ill-conceived Colby trade. I’d still like to not see Miles and his look-a-likes on the roster next year though.
Could Colby Rasmus hit a ball so hard that even he couldn't catch it?
by Cardinals645 on Oct 18, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
there was no favortism of Stav
He was pretty much Tony’s last option no matter who was on the roster.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
A fair point
But, for me, when a guy can’t field, hit, or run and still gets 126 PAs — something’s not right.
The guy got 17 starts last year, and you know the justification for those can’t have been based on previous performance.
Maybe that’s Tony’s call, maybe Mo put him on the roster, idk.
Could Colby Rasmus hit a ball so hard that even he couldn't catch it?
by Cardinals645 on Oct 18, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
most of those starts
were a result of Colby and Ludwick injuries.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Explain how he got over 100 PA, and many starts?
by vivaelpujols on Oct 19, 2010 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions
two things
a.) he is going to get a few starts no matter what. Point out any NL team where the 5th outfielder didn’t get 10 stars.
b.) When you are the 5th outfielder and you two other outfielders get hurt at the same time. Like Colby and Ludwick, you are now the 3rd outfielder. TLR likes to play with 3 outfielders.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Then again...
…had LaRussa come out and told Mo “This guy is horseshit, get his ass out of here,” I’m betting it would have happened. He pushed for and got Miles and Suppan, it’s logical it would work the other way. If TLR didn’t think Stavinoha was terrible then he’s got no idea what he was seeing.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Oct 19, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
i'd be okay
if we people would give blame to both TLR and Mo. However, they don’t.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
i hate the use of the phrase "only a few wins"
If we had a player on our team who was “a few” wins below replacement he would be the worst player in baseball. We would be talking about keeping him off the squad, not paying him $4m/yr.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Oct 18, 2010 7:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 6 recs
absitively true
why does anyone think we have a few wins to give up?
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
rec'd so hard.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
As if "a few wins" can just be tossed away
Teams do lose divisions/WC spots by a game or two, ya know…
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by redbirdnation8206 on Oct 19, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree; you can't just toss away a few wins.
My point, which was admittedly unclear, was that TLR’s quirks weren’t more or less costly than the typical manager’s quirks.
Could Colby Rasmus hit a ball so hard that even he couldn't catch it?
by Cardinals645 on Oct 19, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
TLR's Influence
TLR likely does have an impact on roster moves. Yet, nobody (i assume…) on this blog has an idea as to the extent of his imfluence on roster moves. That being said, if Tony requests a specific player that is terrible, it is Mo’s job not to fulfill the request. If Tony requests a defensive 3B, it is Mo’s job to find one that is not the worst player in baseball.
I just cannot understand the constant blaming of TLR for the shit roster moves that were made this year. No matter how much influence TLR has, Mo has the job of finding players that help, not hurt the team.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
by SheckieZx on Oct 18, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
that cost minimum
really gotta put some of this on bdw
i’m sure jmo would have tried to get better players if he could
but he got ones that fit his budget
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
and that's a rec.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
there is a huge assumption here.
We all “assume” that Mo has free reign over the roster. However, the team as a corporate entity is under no compulsion to follow a strict “field manager-GM” relationship. The office of “gm” is an arbitrary creation that is not required y the CBA etc, and if the owner or controlling interest has other desires, they can do as they see fit. Mo sits in the corner office, but none of us know what the political environment is.
If DeWitt or whomever decided that TLR, or Marty Mason, or aaron f’ing miles (whether he’s on the 40-man or not) deserved to have final authority over any roster moves, we’d never know it, unless Mo or MM or AFM etc betrayed his ultimate employer.
This seems a bit hysterical, except for the fact that another MLB franchise was recently exposed for having exactly this relationship between the FO and the field manager. Can’t remember which one, and I’m too tired to google, but it was in the last month.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
I accept #1, and given that, I don't really understand why people say #2
TLR is frustrating at times, but ultimately not that bad. Most fanbases have bones to pick with their manager. I took a quick survey of some people on another message board, and here’s what I got:
- A White Sox fan hates that Ozzie loves “grinder” types, like Mark Kotsay, Rob Mackowiak , and Darin Erstad, and thinks his demeanor and media presence suck. (Sound familiar?)
- A Yankees fans hates that Girardi doesn’t understand leverage and has Jeter bunt with runners on and no outs often.
- A Blue Jays fan hates that Gaston batted Travis Snider 9th while batting Dwayne Wise 7th, that he said Encarnacion had to play every day because he was going to be a free agent, that he didn’t play J.P. Arencibia when he was called up, that he rides relievers until they fall apart, that he doesn’t understand the value of OBP, and that he plays Overbay every day.
- An Angels fan hates that Scioscia refuses to play Napoli over the historically awful Jeff Mathis, and then wouldn’t even play Napoli full-time at 1B when Morales broke his leg. He also hates that Scioscia absolutely refuses to use a reliever for more than one inning, regardless of pitch count.
- Another Blue Jays fan says he can’t think of a single redeemable quality about Gaston.
- Giants fans loathe Bruce Bochy. Lineup construction seemed to be a common theme.
- A Braves fan was annoyed that Cox trusts his starters too much (not enough lineup variation) and refuses to play for a single run in close games, along with the fact that he overuses relievers.
I could go on. Mets fans think Manuel is an idiot. Dodgers fans think Torre is an idiot. Piniella, Wakamatsu, Yost and Hillman, LaRussa, Black, all lambasted. Only Girardi, Maddon, and Francona got even a single mildly supportive review.
LaRussa rubs me the wrong way a lot, don’t get me wrong. I just doubt the grass is actually greener on the other side of the fence…I’m pretty confident that the grass is fairly brown everywhere. The backlash against LaRussa seems to me to be mostly misdirected anger about a disappointing season.
by mojowo11 on Oct 18, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Just because some places the grass isn't greener:
Guillen seems to suck and Manuel is probably the worst manager in baseball, but none of the above listed have gotten into fights with three hall of famers and three star outfielders in the media. The majority of those mangers have one or zero public clubhouse fights and some of them have been managing for the same amount of time as Tony.
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
by hazel on Oct 18, 2010 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
good post.
(except the bit about the manger).
Anyway, Aaron Miles had almost half as many PA’s in 1/2 of a season with STL, as Mathis has had in FIVE YEARS as the backup catcher for LAA. That’s the only one i looked into, and won’t have time for any more, but yikes.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
nah
he’s stubborn bad because he is not adaptable
he expects others, like clobby and jmo, to do the adapting
there are limits, but too rigid does provide the best working atmosphere
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
Nobody else out there actually causes star players to want to leave the team on account of the manager
And nobody has nearly the amount of control over roster construction that LaRussa has.
He’s a cancer and needs to be removed.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 19, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
These are all minor things that we've accepted comes with the managerial duty
Tony’s problems go WAY beyond these.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 19, 2010 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
What feuds have those managers had with their best players, minus maybe Piniella?
I can think of three off the top of my head w/ LaRussa. Drew, Rolen, Rasmus. Assume one was more of a tempest in a teapot, fine… LaRussa’s also the guy who basically ordered Ozzie to the bench in his last season and never game him a chance of being the everyday SS.
Point is is that while most managers suck hard at something, LaRussa sucks hard AND runs off good players because he just can’t see past his own ego.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Oct 19, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
the caption for the picture is awesome.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
OT: anyone seen IRL the new Honda CRZ?
i’m curious about this car. it looks cool.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
I haven't seen it in real life yet
but I really like the design. The mileage is kind of disappointing, but the Honda hybrid system doesn’t seem to be as advanced as the Ford or Toyota systems, so I was kind of expecting it.
from what i understand, it is the only hybrid with a manual transmission. i imagine that must affect the mileage, right?
i’m attracted to this car because I love Hondas and I love manual transmissions.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
I hate manual transmissions
but I thought most Hondas were available with one—at least relative to other manufacturers.
this is true, i think.
like the accord comes in a manual, the camry doesn’t, etc. anyway, i’ve been wanting a new car lately. leaning toward getting the V-6 manual accord with 285 HP. then this CRZ came along and i feel guilty buying something else.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
The CRZ comes in either manual or CVT
which allows you to play F-1 driver if you want, apparently. (Shifter paddles.)
Saw one last week. Good looking car. Still would rather get an STI myself.
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
A manual transmission is more reliable, efficient, and powerful
but requires the driver to not be lazy… Guess which one is found in almost every American,s car?
Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students
so says the guy too lazy to correctly punctuate
Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students
not true any more
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
which part? i think its true that most american cars are automatics
and that manuals are are more efficient, as a whole.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
the efficient part
some of these 6 speed autos more more efficient. Sad but true.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Yeah but it seems that the 6-speed autos are getting rolled out very slowly.
Even the 5-speeds are only trickling into the market.
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
dual clutch transmissions
are a different breed of transmission
they are not true automatics because they have no torque converters
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
Which is why they (can) have the paddles?
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
If other countries didn't require a manual for the driving test...
they’d be in the exact same position regarding use of automatic transmissions.
other countries require people to drive a manual transmission during the driver's test?
i didn’t know that. it makes good sense. truly, everyone should learn how to drive a stick shift – you never know what kind of emergency could present itself.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
I've seen a few but just as a passerby.
Nice looking car.
Baseball makes the world go 'round, or at least in my world it does.
by Whiteyballer on Oct 18, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I was run over by one
the undercarriage looks sturdy.
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 18, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Also, buried in the first article
is that Dyar Miller might replace Mason. I REALLY like Miller and his approach to pitching from what I’ve heard of it. I don’t know what his views are on mechanics but I like Miller in terms of what pitch to throw when and how to approach pitching.
I do not think Miller and Duncan would see eye to eye – though I have nothing to really substatiate that with.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
I guess this is a good time to ask
What’s the role of the pitching coach and what’s the role of the bullpen coach?
With Mason, it seemed like he was the mechanics guy and that Dunc was the approach guy, but is this true for most organizations?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
that's the impression i got of the dunc/mason dynamic
i doubt anyone would be promoted whose approach philosophy contradicts with duncan’s
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i thought carp was the mechanics guy?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I thought Riverrat was the mechanics guy?
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
I'll take the job.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I don't know about personality conflicts, but it does seem like Tony likes
to fight with half of his roster tied behind his back, or rather tied up in sub-700 OPS veterans or grit crushes like Gags, and Stav.
Not to say that Oquendo/et al would not have a similar problem, I guess we won’t know now for two more years
Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students
he signed a two year deal???
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
great you just gave me another thing to worry about.....
contract wasn’t mentioned as far as i read
by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 18, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
mutual option next year
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Matheny as Bullpen Coach
Does anyone think Mike Matheny might receive consideration for the bullpen coach position? That would be cool.
by YepYouGuessedIt...CardinalRed on Oct 18, 2010 6:00 PM EDT reply actions
I wouldn't mind that.
Baseball makes the world go 'round, or at least in my world it does.
by Whiteyballer on Oct 18, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
all catcher pitching coaching staff
interesting
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don't get mad, mysterui will fight you
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
SHIT
This angers me so, I could go on a puppy-and-kitten kicking spree unheard of by the likes of man.
by peppermartin on Oct 18, 2010 6:08 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Brad Thompson?
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
Yeah, I have a Twitter...big whoop...wanna fight about it?
we all liked marty, but you have to calm down
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my impression
is that mason was an integral part of duncan’s success with the pitching staff. pretty surprised to see him fired
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Ya, I'm shocked to see that he's the odd guy out.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
# Bernie Miklasz
miklasz Mozeliak says pitching coach Dave Duncan is OK with Mason’s removal – but in my opinion I find that hard to believe. We’ll see. 4 minutes ago via ÜberTwitter
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
more Bernie
- Mozeliak also said he thinks La Russa is determined to fix what needs to be fixed and can adapt. about 1 hour ago via ÜberTwitter
- Mozeliak says other coaches will be offered 1-yr deals. 2011 could be a lame-duck season all around. 43 minutes ago via ÜberTwitter
- I wonder if all coaches will accept a 1-yr deal. 43 minutes ago via ÜberTwitter
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
only Texas fans left
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.
by riftraftredbird on Oct 18, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
damnit
1) Get rid of TLR2) Get rid of garbage players
ok… so without garbage players, tony will have less of an impact…. though aaron miles comes aboard and that is immediately ruined
Lunhow got "demoted?"
When, how? WTF is going on?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Oct 18, 2010 6:14 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
He just had one of his two jobs taken away from him
he lost his job of being in charge of the minor league system but kept his role (the one his is probably better suited for) of in charge of the player development part of the organization.
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 18, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
What is the difference in those jobs?
And our minor league teams have been pretty successful the past two years, no?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Oct 18, 2010 6:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
player development is more focused on scouting
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Well
1) Amateur scouting. Keeping tabs with all the high school and college players you’ll soon be drafting
2) Minor League Operations. Keeping tabs on the prospects already in the system. Who to promote, who to demote, etc.
It’s a HUGE job for one person, and I don’t think very many organizations are structured like that
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
he must be rather hyperactive
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
It was framed that way in the press
I’m not sure that’s the way it went down in the organization.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
by azruavatar on Oct 18, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
My impression is that Luhnow is going to be more focused on scouting and drafting
Which makes sense.
Moneyball isn’t about what you do with guys once they are in the system.
A) Yes, yes it is
B) Luhnow isn’t “moneyball”. He’s just more advanced than other heads of scouting, more interested in creating objective systems to rate players and advance them through the system.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 19, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
don't tell me about books i haven't read
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Moneyball is a book
And much of it is based on using players once a team has them. It’s not a philosophy no matter how hard you try to make it one.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Oct 19, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Hey, maybe Tony will pretend to change again
remember back last time when it seemed he might be fired/retire that he said he’d ‘rather have a roster of 25 young guys, hungry to play and learn the game’. Maybe we can get a few good months of him pretending to not be himself this time around too!
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 18, 2010 6:14 PM EDT reply actions
I remember that
One of the reasons I’ll be perfectly happy to see him ride into the sunset when he finally does leave.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
it's already O dark thirty for tlr
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
And for most of the year.....
He played young guys.
Garcia was in the rotation all year. Jay was the starter for much of the 2nd half in RF. Raz, in his 2nd year, started in center. Ryan, though not as young, started as much at SS as you can, when you aren’t hitting a lick. Freese was the starter at 3B until he got hurt. Had Greene not acted like a ‘tard, he’d have probably gotten even more time then he got. The bullpen had plenty of young guys throwing innings. We had a few young guys make starts when it was necessary.
im sorry but Colby, Ryan, and Garcia do NOT count
Ryan is 28… yeh…. if you sit colby regularly, you are an absolute moron and deserve to be fired…. Garcia had a historically amazing freshmen campaign (especially first half)
as far jay, he is the rare rookie who tony loves for reasons i can’t explain… saying colby should be more like jay for instance is kinda absurd…
theoretically using Greene doesn’t count either…. im sorry…
by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 18, 2010 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
nah, he's right
colby should be less good at baseball in favor of more savvy. the kind of savvy that causes you to drop balls at the warning track? stay tuned for the riveting conclusion
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haha
and also jay batted .400 in his first two months making tony fall in love with him, aaron miles-style…. Freese – missed him… doesn’t count… did you see the alternate options?…
not pretty… i guess i can give you the bullpen, even if their young guys are “young guys” (seems you are using this loosely…)
by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 18, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
That wasn't this year
when he said it. He said it the season before.
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 18, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Garcia had a sub 3 ERA, a toddler would know to play him
Colby had a .850 OPS, and Tony STILL had a problem with him and caused a public fight. I don’t think people realize how batshit insane that is from your manager, who is supposed to avoid pissing off the teams future all star centerfielder, especially when that centerfielder is by all accounts and extremely mild guy who would absolutely not cause shit in the public fold if left to his own devices.
He played Jay, but that took him 3 months, and it only happened because Jay had .400 batting average in his first few weeks. Again, toddler.
Brendan Ryan is not young.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 19, 2010 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
he just plays a young player on tv.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 19, 2010 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Ryan is young
when you consider experience.
And I’m sorry, but TLR didn’t hand Colby the starting CF job, and Garcia the rotation spot, because he KNEW they’d perform as they did. Yes, I know that giving Colby CF was a given. But it’s still a young player that Tony was starting. Garcia didn’t have to start from day one. There were quite a few other options. And given his injury history, and the low innings he threw last year, I’d say that Tony starting him from day 1 was quite impressive.
Ryan had nearly 1,000 plate appearances coming into the year....
That’s about two full seasons worth…. By the third year, you are considered a veteran and Ryan was techincally in his fourth year in the big leagues so there is no way he is young, either age-wise or experience-wise….
by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 19, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
soooooo if the pitchers have a mechanical problem, who's fixing it?
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oh wait. Dyar Miller, excellent.
hmmmm.
does this mean the chamboarding era is over?
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carp
same as it ever was
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I am only okay with sacrificing Marty Mason if that leads to retaining Carp.
like, forever.
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CCDGAF
Baseball makes the world go 'round, or at least in my world it does.
by Whiteyballer on Oct 18, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't care what anybody says
I still like La Russa, in spite of the fact that my favorite Cardinal (Rolen) is gone because of him.
Dallas Clark: Some tight ends catch. Some block. Clark just owns.
photo for the comment section
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Dave Foley visited the Cards bullpen?
"he and the umpire pitched a no-hitter. He gave him every pitch. Basically, we had no chance." -Orlando Cabrera, whinging eunuch.
by The Continental on Oct 18, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
if he looks like Dave Foley —
That’s Luhnow.
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however, we definitely know who plays him in the movie
it would be funny to put old, seedy Dave Foley in that role.
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I just didn't believe that the Cardinals-LaRussa story would end this way
Old boxers always go 3-4 fights after everyone else knows the sport has passed them by. Ricky Henderson is reduced to indy-league ball but can’t quite walk away.
There was just too much of a sense of wasted potential and unfinished business.
Play ball!
By "end this way"
I meant that LaRussa would walk away this year.
Play ball!
by IL and StL Fan on Oct 18, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
i usually keep wearing my boxers well beyond their life span
comparing tony la russa to underwear really puts this in perspective
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by prophetjohn on Oct 18, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
A bit too much information....
Play ball!
by IL and StL Fan on Oct 18, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
what marty mason looks like
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I'll miss him
in most of those images he looks like he’s dancing
what kind of mechanics did he work on again?
by YesWeOquendo on Oct 18, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
i won't notice a difference at all
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by the way, y'all probably missed a little interview with Skip Schumaker at home
I wasn’t really listening. pat answers + apparent cameo by cranky infant.
but he is there, and he’s presumably hot.
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bonus handegg metaphor
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Sad but strangely unsurprising
Baseball makes the world go 'round, or at least in my world it does.
by Whiteyballer on Oct 18, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
go rams!
3-3! with them and mizzou (and cards i guess…), being from stl is nice nowadays…. [yeh and blues, not really a fan of hockey though]
by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 18, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
so, tonight
is the first LCS game that i will be able to watch any part of. pretty lame. fuck off, stupid school/work
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tony's back... i don't like it.
i’ve had enough of his antics and crappy decision-making. this surely means that we’ll be seeing a lot more in the likes of miles and that kind of “gritty” player. why don’t we welcome back chris duncan and ank while we’re at it?
thoughts?
i can get this for $180 shipped. i should just do it because i’m probably not going to find a better deal? i was kind of hoping for something to come along in the $150 range, though
tl;dc (too lazy, didn’t click): it’s a 24" dell 1080p, HDMI, 5ms, 50000:1 monitor
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looks cheap
what are you going to be using it for?
by YesWeOquendo on Oct 18, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
fucking off in general
watching (super legally) downloaded TV shows, VEB, maybe a game or two, baseball. eventually software engineering, but that’s a year or two down the road
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i was kind of hoping for 2ms response
and maybe a better resolution, though
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definitely not going north of $200, though
and it has to be 24" or greater. i have 24" monitors at work and i has ruined me on anything smaller
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at that price, your monitor is going to be about as good as you can do
unless you want to go down to 17
then you can get some nice IPS 4:3 screens
by YesWeOquendo on Oct 18, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
So I understand why Mason was fired?
The team had a freaking 3.57 ERA last year, pitching wasn’t the problem.
According to Bernie it's cause Mason was a "disident"
http://interact.stltoday.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=757370
Quote from Mozeliak:
“Marty was definitely outspoken. And when I look at, when you’re trying to put a group together, and understanding that this job is already hard enough, to have people that are second-guessing or challenging decisions, it makes it tough. In case he certainly made his views known and we obviously decided to make a change.”
-B
but yeah i agree with you that pitching wasn’t the real problem. roster management (obviously this also falls on Mo’) and obstinate loyalty to bad players are the issues I had with the 2010 Cards and now with La Russa back I fear we’ll get more of the same.
maybe Marty
Favored MacDougal over Salas and Suppan over any starter from AAA
by ubeddie on Oct 18, 2010 8:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Thank God we got rid of Marty Mason
the cause of all the dugout bad karma. He probably had a hand in the Colby debacle, was out late drinking with Flip, high-fived Brad Penny too hard, and whacked Lohse in the forearm during a game of pepper. Good riddance
Just win
Yes, what we need instead of dissidents,
is more fluffers to tell Tony how much of a godly genius he is.
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
I would hope that Mo was referring to dissident towards him
I get the feeling Mason is squarely in the Tony camp.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 19, 2010 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
bam
only took me about 5 minutes to get around the mlb.tv blackout
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i hadn't been having much luck recently
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SEEDS OF DISSENT!
"It’s disappointing," said reliever Kyle McClellan. "He was the guy I relied on heavily over my three years. He’s really helped me in my improvement. He made some big adjustments for me. It’s going to be tough but it’s something you have to deal with. He’s going to be missed. For us in the bullpen, I think everybody appreciated what he did. I thought he did a good job."
…
"Really?" Boggs said. "Well that’s disappointing to hear because obviously that’s a guy that I’ve spent a lot of time with. He helped me tremendously. He’s somebody that was dependable and was really there for us. He was a tremendous, positive influence on me and I hate to hear that he’s not going to be back.
"Obviously ‘Dunc’ has an outstanding reputation and deservingly so, but I think Marty flew under the radar. He was outstanding. I can speak for every single guy in the bullpen. We all loved him to death and felt like he was somebody that had our best interests at heart every single day and would go to battle for us and as a pitcher, a guy in the bullpen, I appreciate that. I will never ever forget that. He’s been a positive influence on me. Without him, it would tough for me to think about where I’d be right now because he did a tremendous job with me." /fake blockquote
The revolution will be shaggy!!
Motte could not be reached for comment, but reportedly chewed through his bindings.
DON’T F* WITH THE CRAZY PEOPLE, MO! GAME OVER, MAN! GAME OVER!
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early photo from the scene
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 18, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I dig it.
Of that group, who do you think lit the fuze? I bet Motte, with a cigar that he spit at his enemy.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
i know who three of those guys are
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I hate this team so much
It’s like freaking Dawsons peak with all of the drama.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 19, 2010 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
it's still the Cardinals and there's still a lot to love about this team
but this offseason could certainly peeve me off something fierce if something like, say, Colby Rasmus getting traded happens.
(Unless of course the trade is a win, and I doubt we’ll be able to pry away the package that would make that so.)
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Oct 19, 2010 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions
over under 4.5
the number of yankees posters this play-by-play guy has hanging in his bedroom?
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what, no one watches the playoffs here?
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sorry..I've been sucked in by my droid.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
oh, look, i'm derek jeter herp derp
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Nick Swisher - potty mouth.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
I saw Cliff Lee was pitching a no-hitter through four
Then realized he has thrown 65 pitches. Those dang Yankees sure take a lot.
i was a little sad, today
i saw a license plate that was basically [stlcards]66.
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Are you old enough to remember the 66' Cards ?
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.
by riftraftredbird on Oct 18, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
sadly no
the plate was prefaced in such a way that it was meant to be the uniform number.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 18, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
my pop took me to many games in 66'67'68' + WS game 7 in 68' Gibson Loses ! to end the
series and make Detroit WS winners. Curt Flood dropped a fly ball not unlike the nutball that Holliday dropped. Great memories.
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.
by riftraftredbird on Oct 18, 2010 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
AAAHHHH
October 2, 2010. Wasn’t able to watch today’s game in hi-def, but it looks like Aaron Miles’ bat has “Chicago Cubs” below his name. It also has a blacked-out number inside the cup with 12 written above it. Seems strange he’d be using his Cubs bats this late into the season.
it was him all along!!
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why?
aren’t they basically paying his salary?
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
i was going for more of a tongue-in-cheek jinxing angle.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 18, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
sad to say, but
i gotta keep my sig
no matter how futile
marty mason, give me a f’in break
ws here we come!
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
Of all the things that I thought were wrong with the 2010 Cardinals
Marty Mason is the last thing to come to mind. Really? He doesn’t like how the minor leagues are developing pitching prospects. And why does that matter? He hangs out in the bullpen. He doesn’t talk to the media. Who cares what he thinks. I feel like I’m watching a soap opera. As The Cardinals Turn. Can’t even blame this one on TLR.
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.
Charles M. Schulz
next week: Jaime Garcia will battle a masked man to preserve his honor, Skip Schumaker discovers one of the rookies is dating his sister, and Adam Wainwright doubts he is worthy to look into the Binder of Knowledge
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 18, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Then you are just not trying hard enough...
TLR is an evil pall that hangs over the organization. He is responsible for everything from Albert Pujols’ bizarre political maneuverings to the acquisition of known bad ballplayers like Aaron Feliz and Nick Suppan. He had some talent in his heyday, but now he’s well into his decline phase
Fire La Russa!
by guayzimi on Oct 18, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
maybe Marty was
Strauss’ source on the Colby mess? He isn’t interviewed but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t talk to the media.
by ubeddie on Oct 18, 2010 11:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
omg, teixeira i'm nutting in my pants over an average pick in the dirt
josh hamilton hit a home run? ho hum
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Exactly.
Hamilton almost hit a second home run?
“Well, you could tell by the sound it wasn’t gone…” as Swisher catches the ball with his back against the fence.
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
The TBS broadcast is amateur hour compared to Fox...
which is really saying something.
Fire La Russa!
jon miller calling the play by play on ESPN radio if you can get it
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.
by riftraftredbird on Oct 18, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
glad that last pitch was shown from an overhead view
wtf
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i thought this guys closed for the cubs
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That was before our would-be GM...
handed him $21 million for two years. Thank god we didn’t end up with that jenius…
Fire La Russa!
our would be GM?
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by prophetjohn on Oct 18, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah remember when...
Antonetti was being wined and dined and then he decided to return the Indians… Cries of agony and woe echoed through this place
Fire La Russa!
i don't remember that
that was while mo’ was still the “interim” GM?
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by prophetjohn on Oct 18, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
so
antonetti said no or the cards preferred mo?
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depends on your agenda.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
Cleveland told him to count his money.
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
Simmons on quite a roll... idiot:
Yanks did their job – they wore out Lee in 7 innings, now they can feast on Texas’ set-up guys. Bookies wouldn’t take odds on a big NYY 8th. less than 5 seconds ago via web
Yanks starting to figure out Lee. You can see it. Only question is whether their bats will explode in the 5th or 6th inning. about 1 hour ago via ÜberTwitter
Andy Pettitte has 18 postseason wins! Most ever! And he’s an underdog at home in a playoff game? Come on… this is the dumbest thing ever. about 3 hours ago via web
Cliff Lee’s been on 4 teams in the last 15 mths. He went 4-6 for Texas with a 3.98 ERA. Now he’s 1986 Mike Scott? Come on. Yanks in a romp. about 3 hours ago via web
The nonstop Cliff Lee hype + Vegas making Texas slight favs vs Pettitte in NY has me convinced: Game 3 will be a Yankee romp. Lock it down. about 3 hours ago via web
Fire La Russa!
Doesn't he have some mid-80's movie reference to mash up with a story about his friends while attending a Celtics' game as the VIP guest of Tom Brady?
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
haha maybe he's trying to jinx 'em
being a huge red sox fan and all…
by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 18, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
it does seem strange...
to bet against Lee in such a vocal manner and then continually double down…
You can almost feel this walkoff 3-run HR by A-Rod coming, can’t you? 2 minutes ago via web
And Washington would have to be on the Yankee payroll to pull Lee after 107 pitches and put in Oliver again.
Fire La Russa!
watch him come out with a post and take all the credit for the win
i like some his of his stuff, he’s just way too biased and his money tool, podcast, is uninteresting half the time because its yankees/TV shows/red sox…..
by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 18, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
hmmm
Looks like it’s not New York’s night tonight. I’d like to apologize to the Yankee fans for screwing things up tonight. My bad. 1 minute ago
by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 18, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
who the hell is this simmons?
i take he’s espn…wow those tweats are hilarious
there is a reason they hire certain professional geniuses to set lines and spreads
they were clearly going on playoff peformances….and he pulls out a reg. season stat…….u could do that with halladay……“oh hallady had 5 games where he gave up 5 runs or more” clearly the gianst lincecum will throw a no hitter and Huff will hit 4 hr’s
by guillermozeliak on Oct 19, 2010 2:53 AM EDT up reply actions
not familiar with simmons
mustbe espn?
there is areason they hire genius professional betting odds and spread in vegas
i assume they went with a lot of postseason stats on Lee recently…..plus simmons mentions reg. season shit…you could argue >>>"oh halladay had 5 reg. season starts where he gave up 5 ER’s or more so LIncecumm will throw a no hitter and Huff will go 5 for 5 with 5 hr’s"
these tweats are hilarious…..btw i absolutely love ron darling and especially smoltz announcing…i want smoltz to announce every game…he is a freakin genius giving insight like no other
by guillermozeliak on Oct 19, 2010 3:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Bill Simmons is pretty funny guy but should probably stick to Basketball
Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students
If Lee pitches the ninth and goes 1-2-3 while striking out the side...
he’ll have the highest post-season game score ever (i think).
Fire La Russa!
Wait, Johnny Damon is in left?
How does anyone go 1st to 3rd on that hit?
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
Never walk a guy on purpose to get to a Molina !! he will make you pay
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.
by riftraftredbird on Oct 18, 2010 11:04 PM EDT reply actions
Needs moar rally monkey
and Thunderstix.
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
Why ya leavin', Yankeesfan?
"he and the umpire pitched a no-hitter. He gave him every pitch. Basically, we had no chance." -Orlando Cabrera, whinging eunuch.
by The Continental on Oct 18, 2010 11:07 PM EDT reply actions
those fans don't deserve a team as loaded up as the yankees
stay till the last out you fuckers
it’s not like you’re going to get an un-crowded subway car
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newsflash
bengie molina: still at first
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(no, not really.)
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 18, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
actually, his mom will beat me up
five seconds later, Bengie arrives at home plate
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 18, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Just me...or is the area behind the plate
80% vacant?
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
it was 40% for most of the game
they showed the shot where everyone got up
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 18, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
i told y'all. TRIPLETS.
JoeStrauss According to TLR, McGwire “really torn” about return as hitting coach. (Family reasons.) My guess: He doesn’t. 29 minutes ago via Echofon
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
When Big Mac was first named hitting coach, I was excited.
I thought… “hey that’s neat!”
Then I remembered interviews from ’98 when people asked about his approach at the plate, and he responded with (paraphrase-but not by much)
“I hold the bat as hard as I can and then I swing as hard as I can.”
Then I thought…“hey, that’s not the best way!”
Still, that’s too bad. It would’ve been nice to see him develop as coach…i guess(?)
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
by SheckieZx on Oct 18, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
his quotes during the year were on-target, though.
it’s just that the guys weren’t doing it.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 18, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
he was saying some good stuff during spring when he was getting attention
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
Mass Exodus
I almost wish the Yankees would come back, just to piss off everyone who left.
Almost.
"he and the umpire pitched a no-hitter. He gave him every pitch. Basically, we had no chance." -Orlando Cabrera, whinging eunuch.
by The Continental on Oct 18, 2010 11:13 PM EDT reply actions
the seat cushions in new york would kill nick swisher
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 18, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Smoltz waxing longingly over golf course
sadface.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Moreland slides into the dude's side.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
am I hearing "Let's go Rangers"?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
BOOM!
hahahahaha
deep in the heart
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 18, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
No one left to counter.
It’s Texas Nor’East now.
"he and the umpire pitched a no-hitter. He gave him every pitch. Basically, we had no chance." -Orlando Cabrera, whinging eunuch.
by The Continental on Oct 18, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Can this get any better !! Ha Ha you over rated over payed jackwagons
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.
by riftraftredbird on Oct 18, 2010 11:15 PM EDT reply actions
there's the Rangers trying to get some kind of cool off Cliff Lee
not sure if it rubs off
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
So I live in Houston, but have lots of friends in DFW
Facebook is one “Yankees Suck” chant right now.
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
one: tweets
http://twitter.com/search?q=%23yankeessuck
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 18, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23fucktheyankees
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whateva, i do what i want
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two: onion
http://www.theonion.com/articles/report-yankees-trademarked-yankees-suck-chant-in-1,2850/
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 18, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
DFW?
oh, dallas-forth worth
i thought it was another ridiculous nickname, like “big-D”
yes, that’s what dallas calls itself. yes, fuck dallas
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twatter
by prophetjohn on Oct 19, 2010 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
TBS guys...shut up.
He’s pitching in an empty stadium. Not really gonna help him.
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
COMFORTABILITY IS NOT A WORD.
GRAMMAR APE SMASHES.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
...
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 18, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
they just confused Halladay and Oswalt.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 18, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Oswalt is the one on left correct?
And I think that’s Ruiz in the background.
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
And Raspberry steps to the plate...
Blueberry winds and he pitches.
He plunks Raspberry with a hard fastball that got away!
Now Raspberry is walking towards the mound, but Cherry the catcher is trying to hold him back. This is going to get ugly! Now the benches clear! Cherry, Raspberry, and Blueberry are being smashed together by the onslaught of the players pushing in around them!
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
by albrtfn on Oct 19, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
epic compote
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
awesome...
Feliz can pitch when it’s 8-0 but not when it’s 5-4 with two on and Cano up…
Fire La Russa!
I still don't get why they have to sign him...
for anything above the market rate. If they told him to get lost, they’d still make tons of money, sell out the stadium, etc…
Fire La Russa!
"Well, Sager, the Yankees swung and missed alot tonight. That really helped."
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
Cliff Lee > Gibson
whoaaaa.
cool as the other side of the pillow.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Wells: Cliff Lee, I'm sorry ... you're the man. You're the *man*.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 18, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
"How would you say you did tonight, Cliff?" Lee: "I'd say I did pretty good."
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 18, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, i mean cliff lee has done for all of about 3 years!
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twatter
Better than Gibson, huh?
but batters who step into the box against Lee don’t have to make important life decisions about how they behave.
Also, Lee is a lefty. Why not compare him to Koufax instead?
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
it was numbers, dude.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
seriously, can someone game an MLB season with a staff of Lee, Halladay, and Carpenter?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Cliff Lee nearly faceplants at the post-game presser.
he claims it’s boobytrapped
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Sure...
Lee and Halladay would receive <3 runs per game and win 50% of their starts. Carpenter would go 1-0 on the season, and his replacement, Adam Ottavino, would end up 4-17. The Cardinals would finish the season 84-78, seven games behind the Pirates, and none of it would be Tony La Russa’s fault.
Fire La Russa!
by guayzimi on Oct 18, 2010 11:53 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
i'd be fascinated to see
how many times, out of a million, that actually happened, if sim’d in a decent way.
it’d be small, but non-zero. Except for the "none of it TLR’s fault’- no way to sim that. If you could sim it, you wouldn’t need TLR, at all.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
Cliff Lee is the most boring greatest pitcher ever.
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
So, before McGwire quits coaching
I have to ask yet again, WHY CAN’T I BUY A MCGWIRE JERSEY FROM STLCARDINALS.COM?!?!?!?!?!
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 19, 2010 12:35 AM EDT reply actions
Not selling something that someone might buy?!!?
Doesn’t sound very mlb-y/America-y to me! DEWITT IS A SOCIALIST! LARUSSA IS THE MOST PRESENTABLE MOLE-MAN OF ALL TIME!
DUNCAN PLAYS GUITAR AND DOESN’T EVEN LIKE BASEBALL
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Oct 19, 2010 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Am I the only one who just honestly doesn't give an actual fuck
about who our manager is?
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
tell me about players
playyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeerrrrrrrsssssss
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
I don't care who it is
As long as it’s not Tony.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 19, 2010 2:40 AM EDT up reply actions
fine, if you get a change in managers, i should get a change in GMs
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
go ahead, i think Mo is a dumb pussy anyway
by vivaelpujols on Oct 19, 2010 2:45 AM EDT up reply actions
i believe u
Mo gives cookie cutter PC answers:
have u ever heard the Rams GM? Devaney…he’s a cool guy who is someone u would just have a beer with
Interview with Randy karraker on 101.1 espn:
Karraker: “so why should i have confidence in Darby as our backup RB?”
Devaney: long pause….“well uh that is a good question and i agree with you that its a problem” “believe me i know the RB’s in the league like i know my children’s name and i think about it every day”
by guillermozeliak on Oct 19, 2010 3:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm going to make a controversial claim
We should trade Chris Carpenter. We can get good, young talent and Carpenter is getting expensive and just barely keeping his value in line with his price.
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
But I love Carpenter
Can’t we trade Tony instead? He’s making 5 million FFS!
by vivaelpujols on Oct 19, 2010 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm really sick of talking about Tony.
Five million is bullshit, though.
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
huff got a little more than half of that this year in SF
Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students
i never knew that
cot’s doesnt list his past few years $
by guillermozeliak on Oct 19, 2010 3:05 AM EDT up reply actions
So awful FA class this year
Lee, Werth, and Crawford are stars but after that their is a handful of busted up has-beens and failed prospects who do the Cards target that is worth the flyer?
Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students
i fuckin
want starlin castro…..just trade somethin to get him we will win it all i tell u!!!!!!!!!!!
ryan looks like a solid .240 hitter…and there a probably some people on this site who have more pop in there bat then brendan
by guillermozeliak on Oct 19, 2010 3:17 AM EDT up reply actions
You have to leverage your bets with the starters on any given team with restraints
You can’t have a good hitter at every position, because you’re going to be paying (unless they’re pre-arb) for it. What you need is great performance from Pujols, Holliday, Rasmus, Wainwright, and Carpenter, and league-averageish performance everywhere else
Even in the worst hitting year anybody could’ve imagined for him, he was a 1.0 fWAR player… if he can bump that up to 2.0, then that’s all we really need
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
fWAR means fangraphs WAR?
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
Yeah... I forgot what Baseball Reference was... rWAR for Rally's WAR?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
rWAR is baseball reference WAR
Baseball reference carries Rally’s WAR.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 19, 2010 3:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that's what I was thinking
So, I vote that we adopt these new terms for whenever we reference one or the other
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
also agree
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
I conquer
(anyone catch this reference?)
by vivaelpujols on Oct 19, 2010 3:43 AM EDT up reply actions
c'mon, you got the Armen Tanzarian one!
by vivaelpujols on Oct 19, 2010 3:53 AM EDT up reply actions
That's because I watched the Simpsons religiously for years
And to the best of my knowledge, this isn’t the Simpsons?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Is it from before the Simpsons were bad?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
would you consider 12th season bad?
I would still think that’s in the golden age.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 19, 2010 4:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I dunno about bad
But that was about when I stopped watching
Aw I miss the Simpsons… maybe that’s what I’ll do over Thanksgiving or Christmas break
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
i agree
but we will never win the WS w/ Ryan and Schu as starters
freese was the back breaker and i dont think he can repeat to make up for the SMIF’ers
by guillermozeliak on Oct 19, 2010 3:27 AM EDT up reply actions
there has been some pretty pedestrian starters on world series teams before
if 09 Skip and Boog return they will be part of the solution not the problem
Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students
We can... we just need them to be their 2009 selves. Which is feasible, maybe even likely
That said, I’d like an upgrade from Schu; the problem is that 1) There aren’t any on the market that are HUGE upgrades from Schu, given money involved and 2) He’s just so damn likable
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I doubt Boog ever hits like 2009 again
or Skip plays 2b like 2008 again.
Luckily for Boog, he doesn’t need to in order to be league average. Unluckily for Skip, I doubt he’ll ever defend well enough to be much better than replacement level.
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
Schu. . .
has exactly one year where he OBP’d less than 350ish, and that was 2010. Sometimes regression can be good.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Oct 19, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not worried about Brendan Ryan
a little regression and he should be back to league average as a starter. Skip, on the other hand, I can’t see getting any better as a starter. He needs to go to the bench.
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
in all fairness Elite SS rarely have much in the pop department
and maybe with his wrist better he becomes a Walt Weiss with less patience. I think Uggla would nicely fix the 3B problem and wouldn’t cost the farm to get. Maybe a Gomes or Kearns type with corner power and or a Bill Hall type that can stop guys like Aaron Miles from sapping the lineup of meaningful hits
Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students
so Dan goes to 3b
or do u mean he makes up for a poor hitting 3baseman?
by guillermozeliak on Oct 19, 2010 3:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Uggla's about to get reallllly expensive
I don’t really mind him at 2B. He’s no worse than Schu, for now
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
boo on Gomes
yay on Kearns
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
I don't see either as a big upgrade over a Craig/Jay platoon
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
bench bats
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
I think they can be a league-averageish platoon, which is essentially what Austin Kearns is at a fraction of the cost
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I'm saying that a known quantity like Austin Kearns would be nice
in case the platoon flops. If not, he would make a nice addition to our bench.
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
But at what cost? You're assuming our budget it less limited than it is
I think that Kearns and Jay/Craig have a similar mean performance projection, with Jay/Craig having a higher variance, obviously
Would be willing to pay 10x more for that?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
By the way, 10x is not the correct number haha
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
how much do you think Kearns would cost?
a couple million?
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
Uh
I don’t really know. Apparently he only made $750K last year. But I assume he’ll ask for more this year?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
it wouldn't be a huge deal to me, its just a tiny piece.
i’m just saying that signing austin kearns to a good contract would not be the worst thing in the world.
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
I suppose I agree with that statement
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
the guy plays a legit RF and has never posted a sub 10%
walk rate maybe not a huge upgrade but would provide professional ABs that may otherwise go to stav. and could be had for under 2 mill.
Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students
This team needs to sign the criminally underrated Mark Ellis
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
by purple_haze on Oct 19, 2010 3:39 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
assuming his option isn't picked up
and he signs for ~$5M, I think I can say- absolutely conclusively- he’d probably be a better player than TLR.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
Otherwise known as the better defending Mark DeRosa that no one knows about.
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
Yeah I'm down with that
League average offense with plus defense? For the right price, I’d be very happy with that
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Ellis may also be due to break out away from familar confines
unlikely to go kelly johnson but the cards could do worse than to add Ellis and Kouz to shore up the IF
Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students
Ellis has posted road OPS over 800 three times in the last 6 years
and 750+ all but one of those, combine that with plus defense and he would be a huge upgrade
Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students
last 10 WS champion MIF rWAR stats
YR SS/2B
00 Jeter 4.4/Jose Vizcaino .1 /Knoblauch .1
01 Womack .9 /Counsel 1.7
02 Eckstein 5.5 /Kennedy 4.8
03 Gonzalez 1.9 /Castillo 5.0
04 Cabrera 1.2/Bellhorn 3.5
05 Uribe 2.4/Iguchi 2.6
06 Eckstein 2.2 /Belliard -.4 Miles .2
07 Lugo .4/Pedroia 4.3
08 Rollins 3.6/Utley 6.6
09 Jeter 6.5 /Cano 5.1
10 Ryan .9/Schumaker .4
Andrus 1.0 / Kinsler 3.2 Arias 0.0 Blanco .7
Jeter 1.3 /Cano 6.1
Uribe 2.0 Renteria 1.0 /Sanchez 1.5
Rollins 1.7 Castro -1.2/ Utley 4.2 Valdez 1.7
this is one reason why i think we will never win with Schumaker and Ryan
by guillermozeliak on Oct 19, 2010 5:07 AM EDT reply actions
ummmm
this is some flimsy analysis. Just because Schu and Ryan were bad this year doesn’t mean they’ll continue being this bad into the future. Schu and Ryan’s wOBAr exceed their wOBA by .25 and .29 respectively. Brendan Ryan was literally the best defensive player in baseball this season. If he adds .29 to his wOBA he exceeds 2 WAR for sure. If he gains even more from his continuing recovery from surgery, all the better. As for Schu, I think he’ll make a fine pinch hitter, but I can’t tolerate the glove. I think he’s more of a true talent 1 WAR player if he starts an entire year.
Boy though, that 06 team had a shitty MIF too. Wonder who that could be?
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
i said this is one reason
plus i was more curious to see the actual results…i knew i would get posts saying this was stupid
also it shows that 06 teams was just crazy
by guillermozeliak on Oct 19, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
You realize that baseball doesn't work like that
Whether or not you win the world series is based on how much total talent your team has. It’s irrelevant* if that talent is concentrated at 1B or LF, or SP, or CF, or whatever.
*It is possible that certain things are more important in the playoffs than in the regular season, however, I can think of no reason why SS/2B would be one of those positions.
Besides are you really going to argue that there is a massive difference between this year’s Schu/Ryan tandem and the Womack/Counsel tandem or the Eckstein/Belliard/Miles suckdom.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 19, 2010 5:30 AM EDT up reply actions
well defense is correlated to post season success.
and MIF defense is extremely valuable. Just a shot in the dark.
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
Why is defense correlated to postseason success?
by vivaelpujols on Oct 19, 2010 6:29 AM EDT up reply actions
pitching wins -> groundball pitching -> need infield defense
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
that doesn't answer my question
Why would defense be more important in the postseason than in the regular season?
by vivaelpujols on Oct 19, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
figure out why pitching wins playoffs, and there it is.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
or just look at game 6 of the 03 nlcs
maybe even the cincy game (game 2?)
by guillermozeliak on Oct 19, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
06 is the outlier
womack and counsel…….they had those pitchers….now THAT is concentrated talent…plus their mif were still more valuable
i would completely disagree….having concentrated levels of talent across a hitting lineup is absolutely terrible……that is why u would walk a guy everytime if he hits 1.000 and the next guy hits .100…as an extreme example
also i did point out this years final four
by guillermozeliak on Oct 19, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Asshat in full form tonight
JeffPassan (Jeff Passan)
When they play “Jump Around” at Wisconsin, they jump. When they play “Jump Around” at AT&T Park, they wave orange rags. Baseball fans stink.
7 minutes ago from web
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
i'm pretty sure if i see a guy "jumping around" during a baseball game
i’d think he’s a douchebag trying to impress girls… if its a girl, well she just wants attention… not fair i know, but these are my first thoughts when a guy/girl obviously tries to get noticed….
by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 19, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
a MIF'er
getting a run in the WS…inconceivable!
by guillermozeliak on Oct 19, 2010 8:57 PM EDT reply actions
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