TonyWatch2010 Nears Its End?
by azruavatar on Oct 17, 2010 9:01 AM EDT
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PrintJoe Strauss indicates that LaRussa's return is merely lacking a formal announcement at this point. After meeting with both Bill DeWitt and John Mozeliak on a daily basis, both sides have had an opportunity to express their concerns about the season and the path of the organization. This whole process has been perplexing to me and reminds me of my favorite TV show House.
In Season 1, Edward Vogler (played by Chi McBride) donates a hefty sum of $100M to Princeton Plainsboro Hospital where Dr. Gregory House (Hugh Laurie) and Dr. Lisa Cuddy (Lisa Edelstein) both work. For those of you who have never seen the show, House is a crotchety, old grump addicted to painkillers and possibly the best diagnostician around. Cuddy, is nominally his boss as hospital administrator, though House's antics and tendency for illegal behavior are difficult to reign in.
So, Vogler donates this huge sum of money and begins to become involved in the hospital's daily workings to help the hospital turn a profit. Vogler is portrayed as a hostile, ruthless CEO even as most of his requests to House are very petty. When House refuses to comply with the minor requests, Vogler tells him he has to fire one of his staff. Cuddy reluctantly sides with Vogler and instructs House to follow through with the order.
After receiving his ultimatum, House dithers. This frustrates Vogler to no end but Cuddy is unsure of what to do given her largely ineffectual record of reigning in House. Eventually, House decides that he'll cut both his own and his staff's pay by 17% in order to save everyone at the expense of one person's equivalent salary. Vogler finds this unpalatable because the truth is, it was never about firing someone; it was always about finding out whether House was capable of listening and if Cuddy was capable of making him do as instructed.
Obviously, John Mozeliak's hips have never looked better in a metaphor. The unsavory implications of season 7's storyline aside, I find the Cuddy-House dynamic similar to the Mozeliak-La Russa one (to the extent that we can know that dynamic at all). Tony, the ill-tempered, temperamental genius, is asked to get along better with the statistical analysis movement within the organization. He digs his heels in harder and becomes more entrenched in old ways. Mozeliak finds himself largely ineffectual at forcing Tony's hand in certain matters.
I'm sure there are flaws in this comparison -- Bill DeWitt as Vogler is problematic given the rosy relationship with Tony; this team certainly needs a Vogler in it though -- and the degree that you like the metaphor is dependent on how you view some of the past events related to the team. Do you think trading Ryan Ludwick was an attempt to force Tony to play Colby Rasmus that turned out to be largely ineffectual? Then you'll probably agree with what I've written above.
The truth is that the manager-general manager-owner dynamic is probably far less witty and Vicodin driven than a serialized, scripted medical drama. (But, on the off chance that the team has a version of Cameron, I'd love to meet her.) It's not as simple as pointing fingers at either side and blaming them for everything or even anything. It's a complicated relationship that's difficult to parse. As I read Bernie Miklasz's column from earlier in the week, I still found several poignant points:
Maybe La Russa is just tired, worn out.
As he approaches the downhill run on his second decade of coaching the Cardinals, this seems like a valid question. The last time La Russa accepted a multi-year deal, he acknowledged that it was somewhat farcical since, at the end of the first season in that two year deal, he went through the same decision making process about whether to return. Signing a multi-year deal for a man who has been around this long and accomplished most of his goals in the industry isn't going to keep him around once he decides to hand up his ball cap. I don't begrudge La Russa being tired but I do begrudge continued managing if that's how he feels.
Perhaps La Russa has been asked to make changes that he doesn't want to make. Perhaps team chairman Bill DeWitt Jr. and general manager John Mozeliak have requested a freshening of La Russa's coaching staff. TLR is a loyal man. And he wouldn't want to easily relinquish the authority over his staff.
This seems like the most prophetic non-prediction in Miklasz's writing. The Cardinals floundered their way to an 86-76 record in a way that was completely uninspiring. A shakeup seems inevitable as does La Russa's reluctance to do so.
The terrain seemingly improved for La Russa when Mozeliak restructured Jeff Luhnow's duties and took control of the minor-league operation away from Luhnow. But I doubt La Russa enjoys having Luhnow's "prospects" wedged onto the roster, perhaps against his wishes.
I recall skepticism about the organization schism that has ensued from Luhnow's hire when it first started to make it's way into the media. Now, some 3 years later, we're still talking about that same schism. On some level, there is a fundamental difference of opinion on prospects and the way to train them and mix them on a roster. This is probably never going to go away until Tony La Russa hangs up his hat or Jeff Luhnow changes organizations. But, after four years of this, I find it doubtful that this is a sticking point for La Russa.
So La Russa's return seems both inevitable and imminent.As much as I at times dislike the ego and personality that I perceive, La Russa as a manager is palatable if uninspiring to an increasingly critical fanbase. He'll be a familiar face to gripe at with familiar bad decisions. He'll continue to frustrate me with his decisions to leave his starting catcher in too long, or call on hitters like Nick Stavinoha or sub out critical players in close games. The implications for the roster are intriguing and a post unto it's own. (Needless to say, I think trading Colby Rasmus would almost certainly be a mistake though without knowing an actual trade, I'll leave that opinion open to revision.)
So the intrigue now becomes whether the coaching staff will return. How will the Cardinals address the perceived lack of fundamental play in 2010? What does La Russa's return mean for prospects like Bryan Anderson or players like Colby Rasmus? How about Aaron Miles and Nick Stavinoha? Will we see changes to the minor league staff? Will Jose Oquendo manage his own club next year?
We may nearly have our 2011 manager, but we've hardly answered all of 2010's lingering questions.
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DeWitt is the anti-Vogler
He loves Tony (House) and wants to keep him. He talks “build from within” to Mo (Cuddy) and behind Mo’s back is endorsing all of Tony’s foolishness.
The real issue is between TLR and DeWitt. Will he increase team salary to the point where Tony can have the kind of bench he wants and needs to be successful and happy.
And Cameron is no longer with the show. Who would play the role of sucking up to TLR and secretly having a crush on him? That’s disgusting.
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.
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Pujols?
And Cameron is no longer with the show. Who would play the role of sucking up to TLR and secretly having a crush on him? That’s disgusting.
Pujols?
VEB's only queer since '09
The Cardinals were
4th in BA, 4th in OBP, and 3rd in Slug. I don’t see why replacing McGwire should be on the table. Plus, if you look at the times when the birds were struggling with the bat, it was mainly because they weren’t listening to what McGwire was telling to do. (stop swinging at stuff that aren’t strikes.)
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
just digging slightly deeper
we were second in HR, but last in doubles and 13th in tripples. Holliday’s 45 was 2nd in the NL in doubles and Pujols 39 was 8th. Wreth lead the league with 46.
I believe the issue is biggest issue with the Cardinal’s offense is lack of extra base power. Which get’s magnified but their adventures on the basepaths.
Cardinals were still 6th in runs. With all teams but the Rockies making the playoffs. Still, a few more RISP would have been nice.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
I get tied for 2nd in BA, 6th in OBP, 8th in SLG, 8th in HR, 8th in 2B, and last in 3B – all in the NL.
what site are you using?
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
B-Ref and Fangraphs are the big 2
for a lot of stuff though, the presentation at the 4 letter curse word is easier at least for me.
not only last in triples
(and by a significant margin, at that; six less than the next worst) but also 13th in the NL in stolen bases. The lack of speed is telling, and not in sync with Cardinal history.
i wonder why
miklasz put “prospects” in scare quotes in that last block-quote above? half a dozen or more of luhnow’s draftees have gained traction in the majors within a very short span, including two who are budding stars on the st louis roster. yet there’s still widespread disdain for the development system here in town. miklasz is pretty even-handed when it comes to these matters, so that fact that even he is casually dismissive of the “prospects” shows how far the needle has been pushed. luhnow has run a pretty successful (though not perfect) program so far, yet it’s widely viewed as a failed experiment.
that isn’t entirely tony/dave’s fault . . . . but it’s mostly their fault. they actively want the development program to fail. as long as they’re around, the organization will be divided against itself.
by lboros on Oct 17, 2010 10:28 AM EDT reply actions 5 recs
Because the only way to be sucessful is to sign has-beens who get dumped by other teams.
VEB's only queer since '09
and not
pay for amateur talent (e.g., porcello)
that seems to be changing, but i suspect that that change is reflected in major league payroll and other changes such as no instructional league
pay the debt, field a team that will draw 3m fans, and make a profit are the guiding lights of stl baseballl operations. winning is nice, but just look at the mid-season additions this year—all at league minimum. lud for westy is the classic “move the deck chairs” when what they needed was more chairs.
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
Porcello's contract ate up almost all of his added value
when you combine the huge signing bonus plus the clause that forced him to reach the majors so quickly. It’s not like he was hot shit this year for Detroit.
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
when you have TLR,DD & some in the media screaming about the lack of good depth in the minors
its easy to understand why there’s a belief the minors are not contributing to the success of the Cardinals. they are still upset & bitter Walt was asked to quit & MO was hired. just look at what TLR said about him & all the good press he’s gotten this year for the reds being successful. he’s been given all the credit for their success & he had nothing to do with it.
until TLR,DD & those in the media who are still holding on to the past & caring grudges are gone, the false truth about the minors not contributing will still be told as a fact instead of the lie it is.
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
you have quotes from TLR and DD complaining about lack of depth in the Minors?
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
PD search flat out sucks now, i can't find the freaking storys goold or strauss wrote in july & august
yadi2 can you help a brother out? i know for a fact they both made comments this season about pitching & IF depth. TLR has taken jabs for years at the minors, i will cut DD some slack for his comments about the farm when Chris was traded. he was speaking as a dad then more as a coach.
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
it's a lost cause
as soon as P-D switched over, it was impossible to find old quotes. they’re probably pulled off the server by now.
I would really like someone to stab them.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
speaking of which, where has our resident stabber lady been lately?
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
she busy
(and I dare someone to finish this thread….)
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
nice knowing you ginger
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
meh, is good really the right word here?
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
i'd kill to be mediocre there
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
You'd kill just to be in bed.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 18, 2010 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions
you can't do that to yourself
WAIT FOR IT
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
the only thing this year that comes to mind
is regards to not having anything to step up as the 5th starter after they tried Hawk, PJ, and Company out as the fifth starter. And then it was more as “we have nothing in the farm system so we have to look elsewhere.” Not so much as, “our farm system sucks.”
Same with the MI. I don’t think Miles was better than any thing we had. Anywho, it’s true that there was no one in the farm system to step up in that point in time. That however; isn’t really a knock on the farm system so much as a statement of fact.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
yeah that was mainly what i was talking about
other than one DD comment i swear he said about the pitchers in the minors & how they aren’t very good & don’t fit his philosophy most have been subtle jabs
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Jaime seems to be cool in Duncan's book.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
he fits the mold & he's a good pitcher
TRL & DD don’t hate everyone
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Please kindly do not deviate from the accepted wisdom...
that TLR hates every player VEB “likes” and likes every player that VEB “hates.” Thank you.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Oct 17, 2010 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah that's totally the prevailing attitude around here
by vivaelpujols on Oct 17, 2010 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
this photo of TLR's mom was taken just this afternoon at trader joe's
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
he said
no one who could plug in to a rotation for a championship team
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
ya that sounds about right
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
If TLR returns...or should I say when TLR returns..
Mo’s first priority should be to get the best return of players for Colby. Find out which team will give the best group of players that could fill the most holes on the cardinals roster and make that trade asap. That will allow Mo to look around and find the pieces to further improve on the team. Don’t wait until everyone is off the table and then realize that TLR and Colby is not going to work out and be left with scraps.
The day after TLR makes known his intent on returning Mo should be on the phones making the best deal. A week after the World Series ends Colby should be on some other teams roster.
Being in the real estate market I knew TLR was coming back when Colby Rasmus house that he bought last year in St. Louis was put up for sale.
Don’t wait Mo……get the best deal NOW!
by Waxing Gibbous on Oct 17, 2010 11:18 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
TLR v. Colby
Colby’s dad is a [donkey], but I don’t think it’s fair to ask Colby to come back and be the whipping boy for TLR’s insecurities. It appears that Albert also hates Colby. Colby is young and has a ton of potential. Fortunately, he also has a ton of trade value. Mo’ should do the right thing and get the best deal that he can and trade Colby to a team where the focus is baseball and not locker-room theatrics.
I feel like...
…Rasmus is in some kind of weird, no-win junk measuring contest. I don’t know anything about the guy… he seems kind of stubborn about his way of playing ball but is also a super talented, seemingly sensitive, shy guy who would probably (and this is all speculation nothing more) just assume go play ball and leave all that other crap behind. His dad is a bit of a, well, something, and his manager is more insecure than any aging guy who’s had a very, very successful career doing what his essence dictates he must should be. Then it doesn’t seem he fits in terribly well (again, speculation) with his teammates and his GM seems to want him around regardless. It seems, well, weird to say the least.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Oct 17, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think Albert hates Colby
he was told Colby said something, and reacted. with, I might add, the same answer he’s been giving for years. “we don’t do that in our clubhouse.”
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 17, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Albert v. Colby
I would respect Albert a lot more, if he had apologized after Mo’ made it clear that Colby never demanded a trade. Shooting off his mouth when he didn’t know the facts is behavior unworthy of El Hombre. This is Albert’s team and as it’s leader, he needs to lower the temperature when Tony’s insecurities get the best of him. Not rachet up the pressure.
This team quit down the stretch and there’s no one factor that explains it (or rather there are many, many factors that certainly contributed to it). BUT the Colby thing certainly didn’t help. Everyone notices when the strong are bullying the weak and it is demoralizing for all of the league average guys who are hoping that they are not next. Albert really diminished himself when he did that, not as a player, but as a leader and a role model.
why exactly does Albert have to apologize through the press? and through the public?
There were several indications that they settled the matter in private.
Get your facts right before you fall off your high horse. Or do you think the Cardinals owe you?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
why did albert have to attack colby through the press/public?
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
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by prophetjohn on Oct 17, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
why does Colby have to be such a diva?
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
wat
seems like a little whiny. Kinda girlish. At least if you take all this getting his feelings hurts stuff that we make up as the truth.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
What has Colby done to be called a diva?
Privately ask the GM for a trade? Refuse to answer questions for the media.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 17, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
If Colby is a diva,
TLR is the cast of Flavor of Love.
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
TLR may be a egomaniac....
but based on this picture alone, I’m taking TLR’s side in a hypothetical argument between him and this dbag.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Oct 17, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
douche or not
he hits the dangoleballprettydanghard.
TLR does not hit the ball very hard.
I pick Rasmus
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Oct 17, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
the guy is a 23 year old professional baseball player
he’s essentially being paid huge amounts of money to be a child
i’m no rasmus apologist, but tlr is an ass, raz is just a kid
by YesWeOquendo on Oct 17, 2010 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
This picture doesn't do Boog many favors either.
by peach concrete on Oct 17, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
i think he's hammered
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
Was he hammered when he bought that shirt?
by peach concrete on Oct 17, 2010 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
i would like to think so
although he must be drinking a lot because he has at least another 5 similarly bad shirts
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
One day we all will learn the terrible truth
Brendan Ryan is BFF with Ryan Braun.
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
plausible
birthplaces very close to each other.
it’s possible they played against each other in high school.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
or played with each other in high school
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
anyone know Braun's h.s. history?
all I know is some all-district game of Boog’s at Dodger Stadium. I can’t remember his h.s.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
boog notre dame hs
douche grenada hills hs
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
we such stalkers
the next step is L.A. h.s. tournaments
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
what happened to your verbs today?
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
flagged!
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Presumably he left the house sober.
"he and the umpire pitched a no-hitter. He gave him every pitch. Basically, we had no chance." -Orlando Cabrera, whinging eunuch.
by The Continental on Oct 17, 2010 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
this pic is being taken waaaaaay out of context
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
because it was an InsideSTL.com anniversary party
if you’ve been to that site or listen to their radio shows you’ll know they make fun of dbags who like to go to clubs & get bottle service. they were asked to play it up & look the part of dbags. they are making fun of the douche sitting with him & he’s so stupid he has no idea he’s the butt of the joke. Boog went out of his way to find that shirt he made Colby wear.
i am not saying both guys dont enjoy the perks of their jobs or dont have dbag tendency’s. i’m just saying that pic isn’t a true representation of them
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
I don't know evil
I don’t get whiny at all. I get Colby thinks TLR is a flaming dick head and told him so.
by Waxing Gibbous on Oct 17, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
really
cuz I get that Tony tells Colby to do something and then he doesn’t do it so he gets benched.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
it's more of not pull outside pitches
I’m sure he is okay with him pulling those inside pitches and depositing them in the blenches. There were a few other things last year, like not calling for balls, getting hits back in quickly, not signaling people to slide when a runner is coming in or signaling runners to advance/stay put on passed balls.
But he seems to have had all of that going for him this year.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
it shouldn't
because Colby should do as he is told.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
No, because Tony shouldn't tell a player how to play
Especially one that was performing at an all star level.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 17, 2010 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
....
that is Tony’s and his couches Job. He most certainly should tell players what to do. Especially when it is correcting his flaws. Has nothing to do with how well he is doing in other parts of his game.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Being pull happy isn't an important part of Rasmus' game?
And Tony shouldn’t inject his preferences onto players. He’s there to manage them. He DEFINITELY should not actively hurt the team by benching Rasmus because he isn’t listening to him.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 17, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
not as a last resort.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
benched?
How did that work out for Tony? I think in the end Colby just said F U after the calf strain and said I’m not coming back until I’m healthy.
by Waxing Gibbous on Oct 17, 2010 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
are you fucking high? you don't trade Colby just because TLR's an asshat
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
by gdm426 on Oct 17, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
i'd lose all faith in the Cardinal's FO if they do that
unless of course, they get McCutchen + back for him.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
amen.
the kid was our third best producer on a team that badly needed offense. and he’s what, 24? he’s solid with great upside who needs to mature. it’s the manager who outta grow up as a condition of his return … i don’t see so many bridges burned that a trade must be done, & it’s unlikely Mo would get better in return.
let's go bitches!
Oh FFS...we've been through this, but I guess I need to spell this out......
COLBYFUCKINGRASMUSDOESNOTAPPROVEOFALLTHISDINGDANGOLETRADINGCOLBYRASMUSTALK!!!!!
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
That was fucking hilarious.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 18, 2010 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions
It would be a huge shame...
…if the organization decided they valued an old, grumpy, year-to-year manager over a 24 year old center fielder who, despite battling injuries and stretches his own ineffective play, managed to slug nearly .500 and post a .366 wOBA.
I feel like as long as TLR’s around prospects have to be perfect and fully developed baseball beasts who are also uniformly deferential and willing to do whatever TLR orders them to do. Guys like Pujols and Wainwright and Garcia will get chances (often because they do something so spectacular right away that TLR has no choice but to keep them around, and come on is that really a fair standard? A prospect must be as good as Jaime Garcia OR ELSE?). Guys like Drew, Perez, and Rasmus, who may be a bit stubborn or in some way a bruised piece of fruit get jerked around and get jabbed at in the media. It’s like it never dawned on TLR that even an incomplete, imperfect player may still be good enough to play a ton and help the team win. He just can’t get out of his own way sometimes.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Oct 17, 2010 11:43 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
TLR is a clubhouse cancer.
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
by hazel on Oct 17, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
making 5M.
I’d much rather see that money go to Westbrook or Hudson or (eventually) albert. Surely there is a competent manager available for $1-2M.
Even the Yankees are only paying Girardi $2.5M…
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
I'm sure we could just replace Tony with the VEB confidence poll without an increase in problems.
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
who has had hundreds of players
that have loved to play for him.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
And a few notable players who absolutely hate it
Rolen + Rasmus → just about every other player LaRussa has had under him.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 17, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Rasmus is blown way out of context here at VEB
Rolen has forced being traded from 3 teams now. Him and Tony even had a kiss and make up last year.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
How is Rasmus being blown out of context?
Did he not request a trade? Because of Tony?
by vivaelpujols on Oct 17, 2010 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
not according to Rasmus.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
For TLR to love you,
you must either be a crappy vet who doesn’t care what position he plays, a defensive standout who doesn’t hit, or a rookie who sprung fully-formed from the minor leagues into stardom.
A good manager makes due with the players he has. A shitty manager who happened to manage half a dozen hall of famers including the best player of his generation and won some games because of it should not be given the benefit of the doubt. Even HOF managers get blamed for their mistakes: Leyland, Torre, Pinella all have actually taken blame and gotten criticism in their times. TLR is only more unbearable because he seems to be surrounded by yes-men.
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
which cat does
you must either be a crappy vet who doesn’t care what position he plays, a defensive standout who doesn’t hit, or a rookie who sprung fully-formed from the minor leagues into stardom.
Pujols, Izzy, Wainwright, Carpenter, Mather, Schumaker fall under?
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Pujols and Waino both endeared themselves,
With awesome play and utter adherence to tony’s dumb demands. Skip was not a starter until he became “versatile” by sucking at the infield. Izzy played hurt and Tony stuck with him despite the fact that it was really damaging the team. Mather is on the memphis jerk around kick at the moment. Carpenter is the only real exception but he seems so entrenched as a team leader that not even Tony would fuck with him. The fact is Tony routinely favors limited players who play his stupid games over talented players who are not clubhouse problems but who get on his bad side for one reason or another.
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
by hazel on Oct 17, 2010 11:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Pujols and Waino both endeared themselves,
With awesome play and utter adherence to tony’s dumb demands. Skip was not a starter until he became “versatile” by sucking at the infield. Izzy played hurt and Tony stuck with him despite the fact that it was really damaging the team. Mather is on the memphis jerk around kick at the moment. Carpenter is the only real exception but he seems so entrenched as a team leader that not even Tony would fuck with him. The fact is Tony routinely favors limited players who play his stupid games over talented players who are not clubhouse problems but who get on his bad side for one reason or another.
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
by hazel on Oct 17, 2010 11:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Pujols and Waino both endeared themselves,
With awesome play and utter adherence to tony’s dumb demands. Skip was not a starter until he became “versatile” by sucking at the infield. Izzy played hurt and Tony stuck with him despite the fact that it was really damaging the team. Mather is on the memphis jerk around kick at the moment. Carpenter is the only real exception but he seems so entrenched as a team leader that not even Tony would fuck with him. The fact is Tony routinely favors limited players who play his stupid games over talented players who are not clubhouse problems but who get on his bad side for one reason or another.
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
by hazel on Oct 17, 2010 11:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
or at least, that what they say
when TLR controls their playing time.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
Does he? Does he really?
Virtually every ex-Cardinal of note I can think of doesn’t like him.
Ozzie Smith, Ray Lankford, Brian Jordan, Ron Gant, Jeff Brantley, Jim Edmonds, Scott Rolen, Edgar Renteria just off the top of my head.
Meanwhile, in the lovers column, we basically have who, McGwire? And I guess now Pujols.
Jim Edmonds?
You mean the one who was on stage with Tony at his ARF event this winter and asked Tony if he could come back with the Cardinals this year?
That Edmonds right?
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
yes he did
And Tony brought it up to Mo. Who said no. We had no room for an over the hill outfielder and I’m sure Mo was concerned (rightfully so) of Edmonds taking time away from Rasmus
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
the only reason Jimmy wasn't brought back was he told the team
he wanted 400 at bats so he could be sure & get 400 home runs. MO said in the spring if he had been willing to be a bench player they would have had no problem bringing him back. he went to the brew crew because they told him he would be an almost daily starter.
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
ah okay
point still stands about him hanging out with Tony at ARF events.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
right, TLR buried the hatchet when he went to Jimmy's restaurant
and apologized. they have been fine ever since
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
should also point out that
the “tension” between the two came after Edmonds went to the Cubs.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
not from what i remember
Jimmy was the guy in the clubhouse who like to challenge Tony & the other coaches about some things. not all things mind you, but especially in spring training he didn’t like to do certain drills & exercises. Jimmy looked at Tony as a father figure & Tony looked at him like a son who push the envelope.
but you are correct, it did not turn nasty till he was traded from the padres to the wee little bears. Tony really hates that team & took it way to personally that Jimmy would play for them. why he didn’t do the same when Mini Me went there i’ll never understand.
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
the guy has managed thousands of games
over decades and has managed hundreds of players. I’m sure it’s a fruitless exercise to tally up a couple of players of each camp who liked and didn’t like him to make conclusions.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Oct 17, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly
People sometimes do not get along with thier Bosses or Co-Workers. Even if both parties are swell people
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
You mean, these guys might be....
Professional baseball players?
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
all except for Miles...
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
The manager, should, simply put, never have interactions with players that cause them to want to leave on account of them
At that point the manager is actively decreasing the talent of the team and the odds of winning in the future. The fact that this has happened on at least 2 occasions is not normal, and it should not be accepted from your manager.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 17, 2010 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
stuff like that happens every year
on every team.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Scott Rolen.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
i was talking about from the Phillies and the Rays
Manny.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
You are not aware of how two highly competitive individuals working with the same company function together, are you?
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
That has to do with what?....
It would be okay if Pujols and Rolen got into a fued. Because both those players actually contribute to the team and are on equal footing. A manager should not be getting into fueds with players (unless obvioulsy an aggregious act is committed).
by vivaelpujols on Oct 17, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
The player shouldn't be getting into feuds with manager, you mean.
Because the manager is the supervisor.
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
This doesn't make any sense
The players can do whatever they want because they are the talent, they are the reason why the team wins. Tony’s job is to try to reign in the personalities of those players so that they don’t cost the team wins. Under extreme circumstances, where the players presence in the clubhouse is so detrimental that he shouldn’t be on the team anymore, the manager can then request that he be traded or openly feud with him. Under NO circumstances shouldn’t the manager’s ego cause him to fight with players, which is what has happened numerous times with Tony.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 17, 2010 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
You assume that TLR starts these feuds everytime?
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
It doesn't matter who starts them
Tony should avoid them.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 17, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
So he should just roll over and let Colby be Colby,
Albert be Albert, Miles be Miles whenever they all get pissy with him?
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
He should explain his preferences,
He should do what he can to control them without making them hate him.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 17, 2010 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
No. His argument is that it's the manager's job NOT to have these feuds
And that by having these feuds, he is failing at his job
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
His argument is amounting to the manager should just do nothing
but write up a lineup (without offending the players) and make changes (also, without offending the players).
Basically be everyone’s pal and take all their shit.
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
Well that would be my ideal manager
He would also keep the teams affairs private, and eviscerate the media.
With Tony, I’d settle for him not making players hate him to the point where they want to be traded.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 17, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe not our robot, he has anger issues
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
OMG HE'S GOT A FRICKIN PLASMA GUN!
WE’RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
I'm really surprised somebody hasn't ever used
Queen’s “News from the World” album cover for AZ. I would but have no idea how to do it.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 18, 2010 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually very appropriate
when azru goes on a tear.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 18, 2010 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions
It'd be better not to interact with the players at all.
Don’t worry about being their pal. That way it’d be just like fantasy baseball!
by Willie McGee's Twin on Oct 17, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
...pretty naive
TLR manages an organization of at least 25 players, all of whom are different people, from different backgrounds, in different stages of their careers. There probably isn’t a time when at least one player doesn’t want to leave the team because of TLR (or the other coaches, or upper management).
Managing an organization is a lot more complex than just saying TLR should run it so players don’t want to leave.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Oct 17, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Rolen and Drew
Have both been excellent players and teammates outside StL.
How is it that I can name several long-tenured managers who have never had a feud (let alone many feuds) with a great player hinge on the managers airing dirty laundry to reporters?
Terry Francona had Manny on his team acting. like an ass for years yet he never let a cross word slip. There are dozens of examples throughout sports of young idiot players getting in front of the cameras and making idiots of themselves (T.O. Milton Bradley, Chad Johnson, bonds, manny) yet there are very, very few feuds that seem so attributable to the manager. Managers scold their players all the time but it’s part of the goddamn job to keep it from becoming a media shitstorm. Simply put, TLR seems convinced that the person who matters most to the team is him, and judging by the types of managers who avoid feuds and guide winning teams, he’s dead wrong.
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
by hazel on Oct 17, 2010 11:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I lived in Boston during 2003-2007
followed the Sox closely, and your recollection of there never being public spats between players like Drew and Manny (and others) and management, including Francona, differs from mine.
Your predisposition is that any Cardinal player-manager dispute is because of TLR and what you think his, versus the players’, personal qualities are. I think that’s myopic, but you’re entitled to your opinion. If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Oct 18, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Find a time where Francona said "Manny would be better if he played like (insert obviously inferior player)"
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
so is my gut supposed to fit in this metaphor, or do I suck it in?
errant reply 1, part 2, part 3 (nsfw)
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
you're a house fan, azru?
nice! i am too.
i totally agree with redbirdnation’s point. how could they value a guy like TLR (whose decision making is getting worse every year and who controls the team more than we know) over raz. and how the team could let tony do his own thing (the cardinals’ version of brett favre) year after year is crappy. we’re all tired of tony and his antics – signing washed-up players (miles, etc) and letting young and talented guys like raz get angry to the point where they want out. just go get a new manager already.
by zoomzoomj88 on Oct 17, 2010 12:16 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Put more accurately
PUSH FOR signing washed-up players
There’s no way Suppan and Miles play for ML teams this season unless TLR pushed for it. Suppan didn’t have much endurance even though he pitched better than I thought he would (4.91 FIP, which is bad but not HAHA LOOK AT THAT! bad) and was essentially a sideways move b/c PJ and Ottavino weren’t doing so hot either. Miles slapped his way to an inflated BA much of the year, then regressed some and wound up with a hideous .275 wOBA. These were guys who simply put should have been out of baseball or on AAA teams somewhere and yet TLR pushed to get them and then used them a fair amount each. Yuck.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Oct 17, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
sorry this is where the TLR/Duncan bashing is lost on me...
trading/signing is Moz’s job. At the end of the day, despite what the manager or pitching coach does/says, it is his name associated with all the signings and trades that go down…
so here’s my problem/question:
two possibilities: 1) moz is unable to stand up to TLR, and gets pushed into making dumb trades and signings that we all hate (miles, suppan, perez trade, maybe holliday trade, westbrook trade) or 2) moz genuinely thinks these are good ideas…
if either of those is the case, how can he be considered a successful/tenable GM?
by duncans_army on Oct 17, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
you assume that mo' has full control over these decisions
and has no boss who may or may not give significant weight to tony and dunc’s opinions who he has to answer to. what good is mo’ “standing up to” TLR if dewitt has TLR’s back on these kind of issues?
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twatter
Here's my suspicion
…Mozeliak has instructions to keep TLR happy from DeWitt, who, for whatever reason, seems to have granted TLR a lifetime contract (that is simply renewed every one year deal). Pre-Duncan for Lugo trade Mozeliak was quite clearly in charge… then LaRussa and Duncan throw fits and since then every move screams Tony. It’s entirely possible that Mo’s just a wimp or something, but on the other hand if LaRussa can just go complain to DeWitt about any moves than there’s not much to be done from Mo’s POV other than quit and trash DeWitt and LaRussa. That would kill Mozeliak’s career so I doubt it’s a reasonable option.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Oct 17, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
jmo could do whatever he wanted
as long is it did not increase payroll
that seems obvious to me
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
"House" as sports metaphor
Brilliant, considering House is always using sports metaphors. Of course, we all know House had an addiction that caused a psychotic breakdown. And there’s the sleeping with Cuddy. Who is Wilson in this case? Nevermind, I still like it. Metaphors only go so far. Regarding the “increased payroll” statements made by Mo and the “dry powder” comments annually made by DeWitt: Everybody lies.
Honi soit qui mal y pense.
In the House sports metaphor
Foreman is Mike Tomlin by default
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
BASES. better baserunning, better run prevention by more than 1 person on the same play (maybe even more than 2!), better on-base percentage
Have you ever known a runner who make the pitcher look twice
And they stopped him but you know first-to-third would be nice
He looked in, you looked at him, and you knew right away
Hit-and-run or straight steal, he’d be out anyway
They couldn’t see it ‘cause there just wasn’t speed everywhere
Hey, blink and Yadi hobbling is already there
Too many times they pull that on us like we just didn’t know
But crack some LOBster and it’s better than a cannon throw
Now don’t be shocked, work a walk instead of going down on strikes
Say OBP! I like to say with pride
Now when you do it, do it well and make sure that it counts
(Hey, Albert’s down with a discount)
YOU DOWN WITH OBP?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 17, 2010 12:41 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Not sure what's wrong with everybody
I guess they were still singing with Barney when this dropped.
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
they don't even know what 'dropped' means
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
When I read the first line initially
It was Biz Markie in my head.
Oh Albert youuuuu
You got what I neeeeed
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
the chorus is far more well known, tis true.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
my favorite TV show House
hey, i could introduce you to some TV shows
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
yeahm those are decent
it still seems like a strange choice of favorite show
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twatter
I think it's probably my favorite as well
Just because whenever there is a rerun of an episode I’ve already seen 5 times, I still find it better than anything else on.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 17, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
House has a lot of haters
Most of whom talk about how it’s the “same thing every episode.” But it’s not actually, and the show isn’t about the illnesses, it’s about the interactions of the characters on the show, and their changing relationships. If you sat down and watched three random episodes of House without knowing the story, I can see why it might seem repetitive, but if you actually watch the show through and become invested in each character’s story, it’s a different show entirely.
Plus, the dialogue is gold.
by mojowo11 on Oct 17, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
it's also mistaken as a drama when in fact theres a lot of comedy in it, its a dramedy
and especially in recent years the patient/illness of the week as taken a back stage to House/Cuddy/Wison/13 story lines. its not so much about figuring out the puzzle, it’s how do the main characters react to it & the continuation of their story lines
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
"he and the umpire pitched a no-hitter. He gave him every pitch. Basically, we had no chance." -Orlando Cabrera, whinging eunuch.
by The Continental on Oct 17, 2010 12:58 PM EDT reply actions
LOL...coincidence?
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
nah, it was planned
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twatter
by prophetjohn on Oct 17, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah and BTW Cody Ross was
An August pick up for SF. StL was busy adding Stav and Felix. Also read in the SF paper this morning that Huff wears a red thong in the clubhose. I did a spit take with coffee onto my computer.
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.
by riftraftredbird on Oct 17, 2010 3:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
VEB already covered that
we’re all over it. ….so to speak.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
apparently there's handegg.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I have a feeling Mo & DeWitt
have told Tony that one or maybe 2 coaches will not be back. Now the question is are there any more old Oakland A’s players that Tony will come calling on to replace anybody? I bet Mike Gallego will be on the top of the list if McKay were to leave. He’s not a former A’s player but St. Louis favorite Andy Van Slyke might be available for a role as well.
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
Andy VS would be a good team comedian
and might even bump Brendan Ryan from best radio commercial guy
Twitter!
Ken_Rosenthal: Sources: #Cardinals making push to sign Westbrook. Discussions taking place. Team has “high level of interest” in retaining him. #MLB
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
Yes!
Gogogogogogogogogo Cardinals!
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
Good.
Hoping the contract includes some run support for Westbrook.
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
is Mo supposed to shake his metaphor at Westy?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
In bed
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.
by riftraftredbird on Oct 17, 2010 4:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
"Guess what everybody, if Westbrook signs with the Cardinals, that would have implications for how our rotation looks in 2011!"
Journalism!
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
You forgot the "Unfortunately" lead in
But yep, you nailed it.
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
But the guy just had shoulder surgery 3 days ago
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.
by riftraftredbird on Oct 17, 2010 3:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
non-pitching shoulder
not a big concern
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
Westbrook is also an accomplished pole-vaulter.
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
perfect, there goes another $40Million right down the toilet
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
i just fear another Bubbles contract, that damn thing has given PTCSD
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
This would be an interesting fanpost
But I’ve probably worn myself out with that lately. I’ll simply suggest that Westbrook’s value is a curiously difficult thing to peg. Hopefully (from the Cardinals perspective) he enjoyed playing here enough that he would be willing to accept a modest contract that reflects his relative declining value (he is 33, after all).
I would try 3 years / $18 million. He might take it for the security of pitching in a market for a consistently competitive club with strong fanbase.
Ewwwwwww
No more than two years, plz
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
by purple_haze on Oct 18, 2010 5:29 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
40 million?
depends on how dumb you think John Mozeliak is.
I think he’s a bad GM but not retarded.
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
he's a ham strung gm
tlr on one side, bdw on the other
he get’s tlr what he wants as best he can with the $ bdw gives him
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
...to DFA TLR
oh poor John Mozeliak
he has to work with a sizable budget and a vocal manager. Clearly, he can’t be held responsible for all the dumb shit that he does.
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
by purple_haze on Oct 17, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Final power rankings of the season
Cardinals 12th best team in baseball, 7th best in the NL. Prorated 88.6 wins before the league adjustment. Reds were ever so slightly better.
I don't think this...
On some level, there is a fundamental difference of opinion on prospects and the way to train them and mix them on a roster.
…is entirely accurate.
From what i have heard, the isn’t training as much as who is being picked, especially in terms of pitchers.1
Duncan just wants keep the ball down sinkerballers whereas somebody has shifted to more of a “Draft the best pitcher available regardless of approach” approach (aka Shelby Miller).
The same may be true of position players.
1 Although it does also feels like Tony feels that the young position players are lacking something in terms of fundamentals (grit?) which leads him to play and play and play multiple low-talent guys like Miles.
Why are there random linked "1"s in your post?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Wasn't there a mention when they shfted Luhnow from the minor leagues....
of trying to return to the George Kissle(sp?) way?
Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose and sometime it rains.
figures
He's also an accomplished actor,
who studied with Keanu Reeves and Brendan Frasier.
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
Hmmm
25m a year to Howard and trading away Lee for a sub-par return? Sounds like a good GM to me.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
if the organization can be compared to Princeton Plainsboro
and Tony can be portrayed as House, that explains why he gives VEB favorite 13 the hardest time of all
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
by d-dee on Oct 17, 2010 5:59 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Random question
why don’t teams switch out starters in the first to get a platoon advantage?
it’s random because for instance the Phillies are LHH heavy,so why not let Matt Cain throw 1 pitch outside the zone then bring in Jonathon Sanchez to start? surely a deceitful trick would have it’s advantages.
what?
why have cain throw one pitch?
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
when they are turned in to the umpires
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
because of prep
mental, physical, and game plan.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
no
pitchers are on a specific schedule. if they’re going to make a short start, they have to change schedules which taxes them more. on, as I said, a mental, physical, and game-plan level.
when you do that to two pitchers, you’re fucking yourself over for one or two additional games.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
He's saying that Cain is just a decoy
So he wouldn’t be doing the REAL prep
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
so none of the scouts will notice that he isn't taking his workouts and bullpens at the same time?
riiiiight.
you guys are not accounting for the basic tenet: any move in espionage has a move in counter-espionage.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
the prep cycle is typically 5 days
there is something different in the regimen every day. it’s not “just prep work”. It’s everything he does at home or on the road, the work with medical, the work with trainers, the work in the bullpen, the video prep, going through the scouting reports, shepherding the muscles out of the recovery phase and back into the active phase. they don’t just come to the ballpark magically able to earn millions of dollars.
guys who can make short starts are few and far between. and that’s just a short start. during the playoffs. what you’re asking is tasking a #2 or #3 starter with a bizarre change in schedule just for one to three innings of advantage — when the possible liability may come over one to three games. quite frankly, the one thing that would prevent me from doing this would be chance of injury. that’s not an acceptable gamble for anyone.
not to mention, hitters have prepared for that entire staff. it’s not going to make a huge bit of difference to them.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
As a decoy though, why would he need to go through all the prep work to just appear to be starting a game until the lineups are handed in?
scouting, video prep, work with trainers/medical. all of those can be assumed because they usually(i assume) happen behind closed doors. Do pitchers not throw bullpens in between starts?
why would it be assumed also that hitters will be prepared to hit sanchez when they are preparing to hit cain? The game plan would be more difficult to plan because your lineup is weaker.
because the PRESS. DURING THE PLAYOFFS. because this is when the gnome deploys all his little gnome spies.
you’re crazy if you think it’s closed doors. lol. how do I know what Colby Rasmus rates on an explosive lift drill? how do we have footage of bullpens being thrown between starts? because of the press. there’s ten times the press coverage interviewing everyone from the coaches to the towel boy. you really think these guys, who cover them practically 365 a year, are not going to notice something’s up?
(the flip side of it is one might trot out a different defensive lineup for different pitchers. you cannot change that at the last minute, unless you want to burn position players too.)
why would it be assumed that the hitters are preparing for an entire staff? uhhh. because they didn’t suddenly forget how to hit them from the rest of the year?
one hitter has to learn three to four pitchers. one pitcher has to learn and adjust to 10-20 hitters; some of whom have just been called up and might get an outside shot of an at-bat. I have to say, this is poor math on your part.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
the other problem of it is
if you burn a starting pitcher, you risk having no one left for extra innings in a must-win game.
something which I was reminded of when that Madison guy started warming up last night.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
thieves
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
and they're not going to suddenly turn off the cameras on the field between starts.
I mean that doesn’t even make any sense. “Oh hey, we’re going to move all our bullpens indoors now, even though we’ve held them outside all the time. We’re not up to anything at all, nope.”
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
My guess is that it's a gentleman's rule
We’ve more or less established a Nash equilibrium with the current system… By allowing teams to switch starters after one batter (not by rule, but by social norm), a whole new equilibrium would need to be found, which could take years
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
You would, without ramification
But it’s a “respect for the game” thing, I’m guessing
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I'll be shocked if...
1. TLR doesn’t return.
2. Rasmus is traded.
I don’t understand the fait-accompli vibe here that either TLR or Rasmus must go. If you look at the stats, and dispense with the faux drama, Rasmsus is progressingly nicely as a player. From his rookie year to this year, he made a siginficant jump offensively, but still needs some work defensively (setting up for throws, outfield positioning) and on his game awareness (in-game communication, reading pitchers). This is unsurprising as all players have facets of their game that need improving, particularly young players.
So a demanding, old-school coach blew up at a young, talented, potentially hard-to-coach player (who blew up back at the coach). Big deal. Players and coaches make up all the time. I bet this is a non-issue next year.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Oct 17, 2010 6:17 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
i'm going to agree with Willie here
if the FO trades Colby on a knee jerk reaction because of something that happened in July I would seriously lose faith in them.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
This team trades its cheap assets way too often
I refuse to believe the give up four years of inexpensive rasmus, for nothing less than the moon.
better throw in the entire Milky Way & a few Death Stars
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
even if the moon
if (when) Tony stays and Rasmus IS traded, even if for high value and lateral movement money (e.g. the McCutcheon + scenario mentioned earlier), it will LOOK very very bad.
The scab would be opened and bleed far worse than it ever was a cut in the first place.
The WHOLE baseball world will then get in on “the feud” aspect of LaRussa/Colby specifically and LaRussa vs his players in general.
ESPN will even quit mentioning Brett Favre and Tiger Woods long enough to trumpet and stretch the “story.”
Even the myopic Yankees and RedSox fans will take notice.
And mostly it will be divisive to Cardinal nation at a time when a little healing and cohesion is needed
trust me, the national media will spend about 6 minutes covering the story
most guys don’t even know Colby Rasmus is good.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 18, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I think VEB is way overreacting to this stuff, too
Our knowledge of what actually happened between TLR and Mo and Rasmus is, at best, hilariously incomplete. I don’t see the point in drawing any conclusions from what was reported in the media.
It's not like we haven't seen it before...
Tony clashes with player publicly. Player gets run off or traded away, often for peanuts.
Rolen?
IIRC, most people thought the Cardinals won that trade, until Glaus fell apart.
Who else?
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
Not a relevant argument?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I'll be shocked if
1. Tony Doesn’t Return
2. Rasmus isn’t traded
by infallibleopiniongenerator on Oct 17, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't understand this perspective
“A lot of times players, out of frustration or for whatever reason, may go into a meeting and come out saying some things they may regret,” Mozeliak said. “But a lot of times, you have to understand, these things never get out there. In this particular case, it’s been festering for a while. But I can assure you, Colby’s not going to be traded. I can also assure you that some of the things he’s dealing with are typical growing pains that young players go through. When I look at the talent he brings to the table, and when I think about how I could replace that, I realize that would be a very difficult task ahead.”
That’s what Mo said. Seems pretty straightforward to me.
BUT BUT
(Insert TLR-obsessed conspiracy theory here)
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
what if he gets MO & Colby traded?
IT.COULD.HAPPEN.
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
I think this may be covered Jesse Ventura's new show.
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
live streams for SF vs. PHI
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"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
Uribe out, Renteria in
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
As Oswalt shakes his head in disgust...
"he and the umpire pitched a no-hitter. He gave him every pitch. Basically, we had no chance." -Orlando Cabrera, whinging eunuch.
by The Continental on Oct 17, 2010 8:26 PM EDT reply actions
if you are ryan howard
why would you say out loud that your nickname was “big piece”?
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"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
I don't even know where to start.
"he and the umpire pitched a no-hitter. He gave him every pitch. Basically, we had no chance." -Orlando Cabrera, whinging eunuch.
by The Continental on Oct 17, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
he's 30? and quite expensive
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"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
And filthy rich.
He’ll be counting his money while people are questioning his nickname.
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
i had no idea he was already 30
and damn that salary
does anyone else get paid that kind of cash on the phillies?
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"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
are you sure it's not because of the oak tree in his pants?
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
why the cheesy introductions fox?
Roy O DGAF about that crap
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"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
how did your daughter's football game go?
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"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
Good, won 2-1 against a select team
Ended up playing a 3-3-1, which worked due to a shorter field.
I can’t believe how many CYC teams are taking this MUCH too seriously. We balance out our teams, but most of the parishes put all their good players on one team.
i don't understand, why is it bad to put all your good player on the team?
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"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
If you have 2 or more teams, the custom is to balance them out talent wise
To spread the wealth around.
It’s only in 5th grade that you are supposed to have A and B teams.
aaah, i see
does first place win money?
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"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
in that case
they really ARE taking it too seriously
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"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
wtf san fran
fix this
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"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
don't do it, kid........
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
see what you did!!
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"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
I was praying!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
oh god.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i told you never to call me here
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Gack.
"he and the umpire pitched a no-hitter. He gave him every pitch. Basically, we had no chance." -Orlando Cabrera, whinging eunuch.
by The Continental on Oct 17, 2010 8:44 PM EDT reply actions
man this is gonna be a loooong game for sf
possibly not a very long game for jonathan sanchez
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"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
... and a little conversation with the ump.
"he and the umpire pitched a no-hitter. He gave him every pitch. Basically, we had no chance." -Orlando Cabrera, whinging eunuch.
by The Continental on Oct 17, 2010 8:46 PM EDT reply actions
Someone's gonna get tossed.
Don’t know who (please let it be McCarver), but both sides aren’t happy right now.
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
I like the way you think.
"he and the umpire pitched a no-hitter. He gave him every pitch. Basically, we had no chance." -Orlando Cabrera, whinging eunuch.
by The Continental on Oct 17, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
(letting Robot Chicken play in the background on auto-play is doing strange things to my psyche)
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
well utley shouldn't have walked
the first pitch was called a ball but it was a clear strike
then the throwing error
ball two and ball four on rollins were strikes
sanchez didn’t really pitch badly
oh and fuck you gameday and your stupid three commercials in a row
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"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
is that a wipeout?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Whoa.
Wind batting it around?
"he and the umpire pitched a no-hitter. He gave him every pitch. Basically, we had no chance." -Orlando Cabrera, whinging eunuch.
by The Continental on Oct 17, 2010 8:51 PM EDT reply actions
come on cody ross!
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"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
so what is it now?
it rhymes with grody Os?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
yeah, i don't know what that means
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"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
Boos for Ssory Doc
"he and the umpire pitched a no-hitter. He gave him every pitch. Basically, we had no chance." -Orlando Cabrera, whinging eunuch.
by The Continental on Oct 17, 2010 8:53 PM EDT reply actions
"Yeah, we know what you did last night" -Oswalt
"he and the umpire pitched a no-hitter. He gave him every pitch. Basically, we had no chance." -Orlando Cabrera, whinging eunuch.
by The Continental on Oct 17, 2010 8:54 PM EDT reply actions
someone remind me agains why little roy is not on our team
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"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
Because he's owed lots and lots of money?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
didn't he say he was prepared to restructure that contract
to play for us?
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"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
there was some dealy thing that roy and the astros wouldn't waive or something.
also, in-division.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Pat's got the hops.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
someone tell me how to season bone-in pork chops
before throwing them in the pan
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"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
brown sugar, tyme, rosemary, salt n pepper
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
cool thanks
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"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
wait, any particular proportions?
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"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
depends on how big the chops are, i'd say no more than enough to cover them
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
paprika, onion powder,mustard powder,garlic & believe it or not, coffee & coco
go great with pork
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
together?
if you have proportions it’ll be helpful
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"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
i terrible at proportions sorry, how i cook is just eye balling it
unless i’m cooking off a recipe, i dont use exact measurements
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
also apples and onions sauted....just sayin
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.
by riftraftredbird on Oct 17, 2010 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
when i heard brown sugar i automatically added the apples
baking now, smell is nom nom nom
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"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
its makin me hungry and i just ate!
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.
by riftraftredbird on Oct 17, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
If you have good chops just a little salt and pepper and a little rosemary rubbed on
You can saute an onion in the pan you used to cook the pork chops, add a cut up apple and saute for a few minutes add a little water and put the cover on for another few minutes pour that over your chops.
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.
by riftraftredbird on Oct 17, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll put my bon...
I should go.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
you should go
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"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
DEXTER: THE DEFECTION JUST HIT THE OSCILLATION
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
by mysterui on Oct 17, 2010 9:41 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
en fuego!!!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
don't we all
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
i've had less of a problem with them
since the sweep of the Reds.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
no, his name just wordplays as a Philly destroyer
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Or as Ted Williams said, "Get a good pitch to hit."
The guy knows what he hits well and he waits until he gets it.
look like he's solving it
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"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
so when does anyone start bitching about cody ross not being able to score other than on the long ball?
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"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
If I ever see Utley turn to bunt again
I will kill someone.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I love umps in suit coats.....
make the fuckers wear ties.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Completely with you on that one.
I think I know the history – player managers and all that – but there’s really no need to pretend Dave Duncan is about to go into the game. Let the man wear some real pants.
by peach concrete on Oct 17, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
i would be satisfied with let the man wear some other pants
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"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
oh no
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"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
dammit did i say that out loud again?!?!
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
don't even kid around with that
some of the other players might get the same idea
gob help is if one of these others is dennys reyes
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"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
Heh.
The “modern” logo on the hats and the old school logo on the jersey are a nice touch.
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
it might deter him from sliding into first at least
by peach concrete on Oct 17, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe play him shirtless in spring training
and he might snap out of it
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"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
are you calling me a pedophile?
if you are then just go right out and say it….
by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 18, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
nah, I like everyone on the team being in uniform
i oppose this
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
by purple_haze on Oct 17, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
then make the doc wear a uniform again and lose the fanny pack
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"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
-again +too
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"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
Joe Maddon has a sad.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
this game needs moar drama
time to tie it giants
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"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
Have you all applied?
Mozeliak continues to interview candidates for two major-league scouting slots.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
how many people here are actually good at scouting?
i see a lot of sabermetric knowledges, but very few scout types. Maybe Azru?
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
by purple_haze on Oct 17, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
unfortunately, there is no Pitch f/x at high school and college games
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
by purple_haze on Oct 17, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
sure did, but when they saw my gdm426 gmail addy they burned my resume
apparently they dont like some of my 50000 comments here
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
wow they already hate your future 16000 comments?
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"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
i'm that close? good grief what the f is wrong with me?
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
where do i start....
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"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
he was the best of commenter's, he was the worst of commenter's
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
he knew the difference between the plural and the possessive;
he didn’t know the difference between the plural and the possessive
by peach concrete on Oct 17, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
i thought you were a math teacher?
if you’re talking about the word commenter, i blame spell check. i wrote it commenters & spell check said it was wrong
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
women are never wrong dude
they misunderstand men & it’s our fault for not being better communicators
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
cmon, you know I only correct from love
I think it should be ‘he was the best of commenters’…
by peach concrete on Oct 17, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I LOVE YOU TOO PEACH!
it was meant to be funny, not a real complaint. i’m a joke maker, i make jokes
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
From mlbtr, top bonuses paid by the Cubs:
1. Mark Prior, $4MM (2001)
2. Corey Patterson, $3.7MM (1998)
3. Josh Vitters, $3.2MM (2007)
4. Luis Montanez, $2.75MM (2000)
5. Bobby Brownlie, $2.5MM (2002)
rofl
Fire La Russa!
by guayzimi on Oct 17, 2010 10:10 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
lolcubs
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
by purple_haze on Oct 17, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
that whole feature is an assortment of suck so far
I haven’t read past the list of names once, but it seems like they are running some sort of cautionary tale about giving out big bonuses.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
holy shit edgar !
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.
by riftraftredbird on Oct 17, 2010 10:11 PM EDT reply actions
can he play 3rd base ?
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.
by riftraftredbird on Oct 17, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
man that shot of the jets flying over Busch makes me lonesome for StL :(
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.
by riftraftredbird on Oct 17, 2010 10:17 PM EDT reply actions
or at the least an Imo's pie
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.
by riftraftredbird on Oct 17, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
she sings like an angel
not
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"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
dear roy
why are you not on my fuckin team
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"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
i hope you're right
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"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
why would he cost Shelby anyway?
that would have been dumb.
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
by purple_haze on Oct 17, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
More runners would pay attention...
to Perlazzo if he didn’t stand behind the catcher…
Fire La Russa!
why is fox trying to make us feel bad for philly's fans?
i dont give a fuck about how long the day as been for a few of them that went to the eagles game earlier
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
ya i know, joe keeps saying how long a day it's been for philly fans & i'm like WTF?
boo fucking whooo, they sat in the stands of two games, got drunk, threw batters & puked on kids. pardon me if i don’t give a flying fuck about those assclows
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
pleasebackfirepleasebackfirepleasebackfirepleasebackfirepleasebackfire
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
cherlie manuel doesn't "feel the need to put [his] imprint on every game"?
can someone give him tlr’s number?
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"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
shit, time for Mad Men finale
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
it was pretty bad
so disappointing
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
i'll have to watch it again, but it made very little sense to me
i read a really long article (6ly its like 5000+words) about this season by the creator/show runner matt weiner the other day & he kept saying the finale will make sense & tie everything together, wrap up the season & also show the direction for the next season. so OK, either i’m a moran (no comment from the peanut gallery!) or matt weiner is a damn liar because except for the Joan storyline the show did none of that. what Don did wasn’t a big surprise to me, well at least who he did it with was. and the Peggy & Ken story wasn’t really a big deal, or at least as big as they want us to think it was. other than that it really didn’t have the feel of a season finale. it seemed like a episode for the middle of a season, not one that ends a season.
of course what should we expect from the people who gave us the worst series finale of all time when the screwed everyone with The Sopranos finale.
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
Hmmm... Sig Mejdal is a really interesting guy
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
the children one isn't a miss persay
just fucked up
by vivaelpujols on Oct 18, 2010 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
its a walk
.500 average and a .667 OBP… might as well be .666 though with the way you got there
by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 18, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
hot stove?
If you had to vote a member of the Cards staff off the island (not TLR), who would it be?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
just one? OK, can i count all 15 of the 25th man players on the roster as one?
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
gdm, if that glom is one person, with your luck such a creature will ring your doorbell
and demand all your bourbon
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
(and that should say coaching staff. proofing skills are the suck.)
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Oquendo
Because he somehow managed to make a plethora of mistakes as a goddamn third base coach.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 18, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
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