Defense and winning championships, but mostly defense
by DanUpBaby on Oct 12, 2010 6:00 AM EDT
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The Post-Dispatch ran an article yesterday about the Cardinals' two Gold Glove contenders, occasioned by John Dewan releasing his yearly take on his own DRS statistic. Pause: How cool is it that the Post-Dispatch ran an article yesterday about defensive play-by-play metrics? We complain about sportswriting, sometimes—sometimes we even write entire blog entries about it—but guys like our own Derrick Goold and Bernie Miklasz are doing a great job of pushing their huge readership toward what it's becoming increasingly difficult to call "advanced" statistics.
In any case, the article offers another look at the Cardinals' defense, which we seem to have been following, this year, mostly in terms of its impact on the ever-more-popular WAR superstats. DRS is more positive than UZR (Fangraphs) and TZ (Baseball-Reference) on Albert Pujols, Yadier Molina, and especially Brendan Ryan, and similarly bearish on Colby Rasmus's sophomore season. What can we divine from having three vaguely understood stats to look at, instead of one?
From Colby Rasmus and Albert Pujols: One year of defense isn't a trend. In 2009 Rasmus's disappointing offense was masked, incredibly conveniently, by the sudden widespread availability and acceptance of advanced defensive statistics, specifically UZR. If he had had the same rookie season in 2005 we might have framed it, "He's a fine defender, but his offense was a disappointment." In 2009 that became, "He was only so-so on offense, but he was worth 10 runs! on defense."
But I'm sure we'll look back on 2009 with the same skepticism we do 2005, as far as that evaluation goes—this year he dropped, on UZR, from 10 to -6; on TZ from 15 to -9; on DRS from 6 to 1. WAR looks so expertly packaged that it's easy to forget that the thing that made Colby Rasmus a useful center fielder in 2009 could have been a trick of the defensive statistics, a simple fluke, even a career year. Luckily he found other methods of making himself useful in 2010.
The same goes for Albert Pujols, whose 7.2 WAR (via Baseball-Reference), in addition to leading the National League, is his lowest total since 2002.
He was a little off his highs on offense, but the main difference was that his defense, which has been routinely feted by each stat since he moved to first base, dropped off from best in the league to a little below average; the decline came from the 1.6 WAR he lost on defense, not the 0.4 he lost on offense.
I'm willing to believe Colby Rasmus isn't really a win better than an average center fielder on defense, but I'm not willing to believe that Albert Pujols really lost the ability to play first base this year, after playing it superbly for five seasons. (UZR, incidentally, has seen him as basically average for the last two years—there's a lot to be wary of when it comes to assigning value from these.)
From Yadier Molina and Brendan Ryan, we learn that defensive stars can be "one-dimensional sluggers", too. The difference between Brendan Ryan this year and Brendan Ryan last year is like the difference, maybe, between Matt Holliday and Adam Dunn. Dunn and Holliday are both incredibly dangerous hitters, but Holliday has also proven himself to be a (typically) capable fielder. One of these guys gets a seven year contract and the adulation of Cardinals fans everywhere, so long as he doesn't fail to drive in a baserunner twice in a row; the other wants terribly to stay in Washington but won't be given the opportunity.
For a long time the trend was to overvalue the guy who can mash, a la Josh Phelps on the cover of Baseball Prospectus, but now I think things have moved in the opposite direction; we'd rather have Brendan Ryan than Jermaine Dye, even if they both manage one win above a replacement player over the course of a season.
(Of course, the variability of defensive metrics come into play here, too—if Ryan was as good as TZ and UZR suggest, 10 or 11 runs above average, he was just barely passable last season; if he was 27 runs better, like DRS suggests, he somehow managed to be an average position player with a .573 OPS, which is a little like Adam Dunn putting together a league-average season at shortstop.)
As defensive specialists begin to reach salary parity with offensive specialists—I don't think it will happen for a while, given the level of certainty with which we can value offense—I think it'll be especially important to remember this last issue. It's intoxicating, even now, to be able to have some run value to ascribe to defense, after doing without so long. But as we move past an era that is, to me, typified in its excess by Dave Cameron writing this jubilant post about Nyjer Morgan (+5 by DRS this year, +22 last year) being as valuable as Adam Dunn (-33 last year, -3 this year), we'll need to learn, again, to view the one-dimensional defender with the same jaded eyes we turn to Ty Wigginton.
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It's really weird how Brendan Ryan improved so many individual components of his hitting
while at the same time having a much worse year as a whole to show for it. I dunno if this just shows the fickle hand of ball-in-play fate (swung from a BABIP of .332 to .253, about 80 points which strikes me as a rather large difference) or not. But it’s so frustrating for the same reason Molina’s offensive struggles are frustrating; anything close to an average offensive performance by this guy makes him surprisingly valuable overall because of how good he can be on defense. Yadi was almost a four win player last year, according to Fangraphs (he was still worth 2.6 by the same measurement this year).
Brendan improved his walk percentage, lowered his strikeout percentage, improved his HR/FB, improved his LD%, etc. I suppose part of it is that none of these improvements were actually very significant (at least they don’t strike me as such).
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
"Way to open the comment section of an article about defense with a rambling post about offense, mattybobo!"
You can count on me!
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I'm worried about Ryan.
Statcorner has a nice wOBA conversion that adjusts for batted ball data and home park. As you know, Busch Stadium is not friendly to hitters as a general rule. Nonetheless, Ryan’s wOBAr was .290, which is not good even while quite a bit better than his actual, horrendous .261 wOBA.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Yeah, I saw that...
it doesn’t give me much hope.
If you put Brendan Ryan’s defense together with Skip Schumaker’s hitting, you’d have a nice cheap valuable player. (I realize Skip was pretty sucky for the first part of the year, but he really had a nice bounce back and was hitting like his old self by the end, he just did so much damage in the beginning that his end of year stats couldn’t quite recover)
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I don't think that's borne out in the stats
check his monthly splits. You could argue that July and Sept/Oct were his worst months, other than his atrocious April/March. Skip sucked at the end almost as much as he sucked at the beginning.
Skip tailed off at the end.
His Fangraphs 2010 wOBA graph is a good visual representation of this. The wOBA graph is on the bottom left. A slow climb from the valley of March and April only to fall off a cliff as the season wound down.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Huh
I didn’t realize his wOBA chart made such a nice sine wave. I guess I was too distracted by the team’s horrible collapse to notice he was undoing all that progress…
This makes me really not want Skip back anymore. Surely we can upgrade at 2nd base, can’t we?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
If Ryan can defend as he routinely does and put up a .290 wOBA
he’s a league-average shortstop. His career wOBA is .294 so I’d say that’s probably somewhere around his true talent level.
I don’t find it particularly hard to imagine that he’s 5-10 runs better than the average shortstop, having watched him the last couple of years, so his gaudy UZR numbers just about pass the “eye test” for me, at least. If you subscribe to that line on his defense, he really only needs to put up a .290-.300 wOBA to be a pretty valuable, under-rated player (and the best part is that his crappy hitting numbers should suppress his pay awards during arbitration, so we should get another 3 years of cheap production out of him).
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Oct 12, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
we should throw in a few more gift certificates from Shannon's
just to sweeten the pot.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure he would work solely for
Shannon’s Gift Certificates.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
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Also, Dave Concepcion.
what is the problem? get on this, FO!!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Defensive Question and Value
What is the cut off for rating a players value defensively
Brendan Ryan- 2009 +8.4 defense with a 2.7 overall WAR
Brendan Ryan – 2010 +11.5 defense with a 1 overall WAR
David Eckstein- 2005 8 defense with a 3 overall WAR 2007 -9 defense with a 1.3 overall WAR
David Eckstein
Which player would you rather have?
Ryan is great with the Glove while Eck appears to suck. However Eck is the “more valuable player”
Where do we value D and then say I don’t care if a guy is a -15 defender as long as he has a better WAR at the end of the year than a supposed great defender.
Anyone know?
Depends. Who do you want scooping groundballs for our pitchers?
The Cardinals no longer trusted Eckstein or they didn’t want to pay him to play SS. I’ll take Brendan’s strong defense and weak bat. Still, the entire middle infield cannot continue to be an offensive black hole. Especially when Skip is a poor defender.
2B really sticks out like a sore thumb for the Cards
that said, 3B more like a sore ankle.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 12, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
it's a very good question
I’ve never been fully won over by the WAR stat, and these defensive anomalies don’t help its cause.
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 12, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
It has been on my mind the past couple weeks....
Where is the cut off that makes sense.
I don’t miss Eck, I just thought of him as the last Cards SS to look at. I know he woudl be good to compare to Ryan becuase Eck was not great with the bat nor really that lucky with the bat any year per say. I don’t know if I can ever say soft hitting guys are unlucky (whole other thought on my mind). But Eck I knew would not grade out well defensively either.
If you look at his “WAR” which most will site when looking at the end of the seaon to see how good a player was likes Eck more than Ryan even when putting up horrible defensive years.
So where is the cut off? Eck was -8 and -9 with the glove but was still more “Valuable” than Ryan according to “WAR”.
Interesting thing to hear a smart person around here figure out..
All of Eckstein's value was derived from his offensive production.
He was simply not good in the field as a shortstop.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I realize that....
He did not post a 3 WAR year with any help from his glove, I am only guessing the only help he got defensively was that he was standing at SS in 2007 opposed to 3B or 2B. He was -8.3 with the glove that year.
What interests me is deciding where the cut off is defensively. I guess you can claim that Duncan, Carp and other pitchers prefer a defensive minded player. However Eck was a better player than 2009 Brendan Ryan, hence despite being worse defensively he gave the team a better chance at wining since he had more value aka “3 WAR vs. Ryan’s 2.7 WAR”.
What if the Cards found a SS who was a -11 with the glove but put up a 5.5 WAR season. Do you prefer they play that player or Brendan Ryan who is +11.5 with the glove but a 1 WAR player….
That is my question about defense. Where is the cut off where you say I don’t care if the player is hitting they must defend some.
In DanUp's main post,
he makes note that we would prefer Brendan Ryan to Jermaine Dye. This is comparing apples to fire trucks, in my opinion, because it is much more tolerable to have a subpar defensive right fielder than a subpar defensive shortstop (unless the shortstop is team captain, knows how to win, and all that jazz). I think the cutoff for poor fielding is much lower at shortstop (the most important defensive position, in my opinion) than right field (perhaps the least important). That being said, if you can give us a player putting up a 5.5-WAR year with a -11 defensive performance, I will take him. He can always play second base in St. Louis.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
RF is a tougher position to field...
You have to make longer throws more often (RF to 3rd), and there is much more tail on balls hit to right, assuming the majority of hitters are right handed batters.
"I don't like to sound egotistical, but every time I stepped up to the plate with a bat in my hands, I couldn't help but feel sorry for the pitcher." Rogers hornsby.
i would assume that
the majority of batters pull the ball giving the left fielder more opportunities
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by prophetjohn on Oct 13, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
the conventional wisdom says to put the guy with the good arm in RF
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 13, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
that's true,
but that’s not what i was talking about
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twatter
just trying to help
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 13, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
re-reading what he said
i misunderstood him anyway
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I don't see why there should be a cutoff
WAR is WAR (with the considerations for defensive metrics aside).
by vivaelpujols on Oct 12, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
can someone tell him? send him a telegram?
a singing telegram, perhaps.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
where is IHB with an encouraging poem about his improvements
is she lost to the AFL already?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i was lost to las vegas this weekend.
still recovering.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
sweet
I’m headed to Denver this weekend, mile high!
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 12, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
If you run into my sister, say hello for me.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
ok!
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 12, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeahhhhh Vegas will do that to you haha
Joe Strauss is apparently there now… you could’ve hung out with him!
What all did you do?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
damnit. i can't BELIEVE i missed strauss.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
I hope you didn't also discover that the whole "free drinks while gambling" thing is also "free shots while gambling!"
Not afraid to nitpick
I'd like a Jameson's and water.....
hold the water.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
oh man
I had a blast at circus circus at the $5 blackjack table, had like 4 or 5 of those free drinks at least. actually won around $200
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 12, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Circus Circus is the worst place in the entire world
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
by mysterui on Oct 12, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
your face would like a word.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
FFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
well if you think me winning money is the worst thing
then I guess you’re right
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 12, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
then I'm glad you have experienced this experience
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 12, 2010 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
rec'd, but i think stratosphere takes the cake.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
I think the real takeaway is that yes, we really did get unlucky this year.
By most inputs the majority of our hitters were better or the same as last season, yet they had terrible luck. I wish this evidence would put to rest the “Big Mac teh sux he maek everyone play bad!!!!1” PD argument, but alas it will not.
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
Does Boog get Extra Points for the Shoulder-Licking?
He should…
;=8)
Spare me your taradiddles!!!!
:=8O
Wow....
…are they still fighting over at the Matt Pagnozzi thread?
:=8.
Spare me your taradiddles!!!!
:=8O
in bed.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
mike cameron's two year contract comes to mind
(getting mixed info here. i remember it was 10m the first year, but some sources say it’s 7.7. weird. definitely seems to be making 7.2m next year, which is incredible to me)
given, cameron was a 3 time gold glover (fwiw) and obviously a plus defender by anyone’s eyes or metrics
i bet salary parity isn’t so far off. yadi’s next contract will be interesting
Also,
the Red Sox essentially went with Cameron over Bay, or, at least, chose Cameron at that contract over Bay at what the Mets were willing to pay him.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Cameron's a pretty good hitter too, though
he manages to walk a weird tightrope between being the sort of player the sabr community used to go crazy over (lots of walks, power, but low batting average and counting stats most years) and the sort of player it seems to love now (premium but oft-underrated defensive position, excellent glove).
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Oct 12, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
He's a very interesting player all around, I think
And you’re right, he’s a poster boy for under-rated or formerly under-rated skills.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Overvaluing the mashers
For a long time the trend was to overvalue the guy who can mash…
I am very guilty of this. From ‘06 through the first few months of ’09, I was a strong defender of Chris Duncan. (I still think he should have been given the opportunities he received to play. In ’06, he had some nice stretches of downright mashing. And, he did so in ’07, too, until he got injured. In ’05, he was a 2.2-WAR player in 314 PA’s with a .399 wOBA (!) but a -3.8 UZR. In ’07, Duncan posted a wOBA of .360 and was a 1.7-WAR player with a -4.8 UZR.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
but chris duncans issues were...
the stopping of the mashing. In 08 and 09 he just didn’t have that power that he used to have.
isolated power
06 .296
07 .221
08 .117
09 .131
Chris was also a very good On base guy. Year/Average/OBP
06 .283/.363
07 .259/.354
08 .248/.346
09 .227/.329
Duncanc’s worst year would have put him tied for forth place on the 2010 Cardinals.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Dunc's OBP always surprised me.
It just never seemed to fit with how I perceived him as a hitter.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
You need not remind me of Chris Duncan's wonderful ability to walk.
But, you’re right. The sports hernia and back injury really ended his mashing days. And, dropping the power from his OBP + SLG combo was fatal to his value, given his poor fielding ability.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
This.
I really pulled for and loved Chris Duncan at the time, and I don’t think it was just naivete and faith in TLDUNC that made me think Chris was a good player. The guy just came up and hit the crap out of the ball in addition to having really excellent plate discipline, AND his defense wasn’t that bad. His real problem was nagging injuries and unusual surgeries.
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
Agree
He actually ran very well for a guy his size. He just looked ugly as hell out there, the perception did not quite match what he actually accomplished.
yeah i was pulling for C Dunc
especially since I have several friends with some pretty funny stories of his escapades in the StL social scene.
There are now a couple of Colby, though he seems pretty subdued. He does wear flat-billed hats out to bars tho.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
incidentally, do we really need a douche-shirt metric for this team?
sadface.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe... Boog-Bombs Show was littered with Ed Hardy
but, everyone that has met Colby out has said that he’s pretty nice and surprisingly unassuming. So as long as a level bill is match with a level head, it’s all good.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
he digs the level bill
it’s better peripheral vision.
there’s actually a Goold-blog on that, how Colby started that trend up again.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone remember when we were routinely lambasting LaRussa for not
having Lil’ Dunc’ in against lefties?
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
did we say how he couldn't co-exist with Duncan whenever that happened?
sorry.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
was this when Schumaker and Ankiel were starting instead of him in the world's worst platoon?
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
I imagine this has already been posted.
Matias has a new surname, and it is Martinez. Carlos Martinez (formerly Carlos Matias) has received a visa to pitch in the good ol’ US of A for the St. Louis Cardinals organization. He had 78 strikeouts to 14 walks in 58 DSL innings pitched.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Holy shit.
Can you imagine what it would be like to have him and Shelby coming at you in back to back games?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 12, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
more like
waino
shelby
carlos
jaime
etc (maybe a 38-yeqr-old carp?)
towel?
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twatter
by prophetjohn on Oct 12, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
'My name is Chris Carpenter. These are my boys. We're here to **** **** **** **. Any questions?'
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
That would be so cool.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 12, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
what's that 2-letter word?
carp sure is innovative
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twatter
by prophetjohn on Oct 12, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
up
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
i don't think you need to censor that guy
unless carp can make innocuous words offensive just by nature of saying them near other words
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twatter
by prophetjohn on Oct 12, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
of course he does.
do you doubt his powers?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Mess your junk up?
Man, Carp is getting soft in his old age…
Oh, wait, I just got it.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
click, click, click,click,click, BOOM!
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 12, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm guessing "up".
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 12, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
it's not clean grammatical style, but CDGAFAG
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
We're gonna need more than one towel.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Don't get too excited now. As you recall, TINSTAAPP.
Our farm system isn’t fixed yet.
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
no, actually i don't recall that
i recall people saying that, though, if that’s what you mean
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
i'm excited to see this guy
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
And Brandon Dickson
that guy is gonna take some NAMES.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Oct 12, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
So are we starting to be impressed with what Lunhow has done/is doing?
This is in regards to cleaning up the mess that was our farm system.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 12, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I was kinda joking about Dickson
but FWIW I think Luhnow has generally done an excellent job, 2007 draft aside.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Oct 12, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Ahha. I thought maybe you knew something.
/cue the unicorn
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 12, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I love what Luhnow is doing and have full trust in him
but he’s not even close to done.
The latest Jim Callis chat shows just how few ranked players we still have in comparison to everyone else. It’s better than last year, but still not where we want to be.
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
And, if we extend Pujols's contract,
where we have to be.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
We just need every single one of our top prospects to turn into awesome MLB players
Easy, right? Just avoid the flame outs.
Now I will sit back and wait for the checks to start coming in the mail when the Cardinals figure out how much money I just made them…
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Oct 12, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Hey now...
No need to compete through statues.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
The checks for the money you saved will be sent to Albert Pujols.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Hm. Fair enough.
I want a statue though, since I clearly saved the franchise.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I'm pretty shocked by the comments from Will Lingo in the chat re: Matt Carpenter.
The most interesting S-Cards hitters were Matt Carpenter, who gets the most out of his talent but probably doesn’t have enough bat to be an everyday third baseman in the big leagues
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
I was surprised he didn't make the top 20 in BAs Texas League rankings.
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
There's a bias against not toolsy players in there
but I also wonder if we (read: azruavatar) aren’t discounting the production relative to AA enough. His MLE from Baseball Prospectus is .219 (.260 is about average). I’m a fan because I think he has better plate approach than anyone not named Albert Pujols in the Cardinals organization. It was surprising to me too.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
Hardball Times MLE has him at .328 wOBA for 2010
I don’t know which orifice Baseball Prospectus is pulling that MLE out of.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 12, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
That's pretty impressive
That would probably be around average wOBA, unless there was a huge shift in offense.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I have a hard time understanding UZR in Colby's case.
I didn’t think that he looked worse than he did last year. He made so pretty bad gaffs early in the season, but wasn’t looking that bad by the end of the season. Granted I didn’t get to see even close to all of the games, so maybe I just saw the times where he played well?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 12, 2010 10:15 AM EDT reply actions
This comment could very well be Exhibit A for those who would rather go by stats than just one's observations.
I watch a lot of Cardinals baseball, probably listen to more on the radio than I watch, but also miss a lot of games. Early in the year, like you, I’d have said he was having a bad season defensively—particularly on balls hit over his head. I felt like he played better with the glove later in the year. Because I don’t trust my own eyes because of the limited sample and biases of my own memory, I would like a defensive stat to help me assess Colby. This is the allure of defensive metrics, in my opinion.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I agree
Did Colby’s poor throwing early in the year affect his defensive ranking?
I remember teams going 1st to 3rd often on balls hit directly at Colby.
I agree that my clouded memory seems to remember Colby struggling going back on balls. I would say even late in the year he does not look that confident going back on balls.
I believe Dewan's plus/minus data on Colby had Colby's minus plays being those he had to go back on.
But, that was from a Goold or Bernie piece, if I’m now mistaken. I don’t have a subscription to BillJamesOnline.com to check.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
It was in the piece yesterday about Boog and Yadi
Finally, a little something on Rasmus. Colorado manager Jim Tracy was among the opponents who noticed/mentioned how shallow Rasmus plays, and how that inhibited his ability to get back on the ball. Per Baseball Info Solutions, Rasmus was a plus center fielder everywhere but on deep fly balls. He was a minus-12 when retreating to catch the ball. And then there’s his arm. Long before the trade demand and his relationship with La Russa took center stage, most of the talk about Rasmus was in regards to his arm. Turns out, opponents had 100 opportunities to take an extra base against Rasmus, and they were successful 49 times (49 percent). Rasmus had zero “kills” though on such plays. To tie a bow on this defensive discussion, here are the same stats from the three CFs who won Gold Gloves last season:
Matt Kemp, LAD … 120 opportunities, 70 bases (.583), 3 “kills”
Michael Bourn, HOU … 102 opportunities, 54 bases (.529), 5 “kills”
Shane Victorino, PHI … 107 opportunities, 50 bases (.467), 8 “kills”
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
So he's not that far off, just hasn't gunned anybody out?
Believable.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 12, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
(49 percent)
OH REALLY?
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
by prophetjohn on Oct 12, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I was told there would be no math involved.
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
He robbed a handful of home runs this season,
and runners weren’t exactly running wild on him (49% is the best among listed CFs): I think a lot of the talk about his arm was a result of him not actually gunning anyone down, but I don’t remember him having any obvious opportunities to do so (Ludwick seemed to have one every few games and he cashed in on a few of them but still missed a few as well).
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
there were also some pretty pathetic throws
but apparently that’s because the coaches teach the outfielders to bounce the throws in from the OF and colby takes things a little too literally
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
by prophetjohn on Oct 12, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
'....we didn't mean on second base, Colby.' 'ohwhydidntyousayssoonemdangolebounces.'
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
personally the only important thing is whether other teams develop a book on him.
They got a book on him: try to run.
I don’t care how well Colby plays compared to the rest of universe; he has to perform well enough to close that book.
By comparison, Matt Holliday had several off-line throws to the infield, but loped along adequately enough to shut down some runners.
I just think we’re losing some of the pragmatism here by focusing on “how does he score on this metric.”
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
you gotta have enough game to look them back.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
thats so true and it seems to me Colby plays a shallow CF
i know he is positioned by the dugout often , but if he struggles with balls hit deep perhaps he should be positioned deeper .
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.
by riftraftredbird on Oct 12, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Colby's positioning
Where did he play in the minors? Anyone watch enough games to see how deep he played when in the minors.
I would think the team positions him shallow to take away hits in front of him. In theory he should run well enough to get back on balls hit over his head. I would say it’s a sign of confidence in his skills to position him shallow, stating he has the ability/speed to get back on balls over his head. Maybe they have misjudged his ability to move back on the ball and need to re-evaluate where the position him.
Defensive positioning. . .
is a team strategy thing more than anything else. Jim Edmonds played a very shallow CF, too, if you will recall.
The team is making the (I have to believe conscious) decision to take away more Texas Leaguers and more extra bases on singles, at the risk of letting a few fly balls get over the CF’s head.
We can question whether that is the right decision, of course. (I tend to be prejudiced toward playing a shallow CF, myself.) But to blame Colby for a team strategic decision appears to me to be a but unfair to him.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Oct 12, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
iirc
Tony said something about this late in the season, taking some of the blame for positioning Colby too shallow and that they would have him play a little deeper. Of course, I could have just imagined that.
by ArkansasTravs on Oct 12, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I like that strategy, personally
Seems to me (intuitively) you’ll have more dying quails and balls falling in front of a typical CF than you will balls going over their head, and turning a few singles into outs is far more valuable than turning a few singles in doubles/triples.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Oct 12, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but how much more?
You play wherever you minimize the expected run value, give what we know about a defender’s skill
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
by mysterui on Oct 12, 2010 1:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, but how much more?
Seven.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Oct 12, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not quite right. . .
You play wherever you maximize the chances of winning that particular game, which might be different from play-to-play depending upon the score.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Oct 12, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Like bgh said, he looked bad on balls he had to go back on.
Was it just when he went back or was it the decision making after he caught it? That, to me, was when they would run on him. He just looked like he didn’t know what to do after he got to it. Bad body positioning+ bad throwing position+ indecision = poor throw results. He’s better than what he showed this year, so should this year be an outlier?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 12, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
i hope it is . I just think if he charged in with momentum on his side it sure would help
his throws to get guys running on him . Holliday does it routinely , plays deep , charges in while throwing .
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.
by riftraftredbird on Oct 12, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Probably so.
But his decision making will have to get better in order for it to help much. I realize he’s young, but he’s been playing this game all his life, he ought to know what, where, when, and how by now.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 12, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
agreed
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.
by riftraftredbird on Oct 12, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
didn't Jim Tracy comment on Colby?
I think it was during that series that never happened.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
the other side of it is that his injury issues are mysterious.
if he has a foot issue, then that’s another kettle of fish.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
It's all about progress with Colby
The dude’s only 23. He needs to be better next season. Like Y2S said… close that book. Better pursuits, set-up etc… so they no longer KNOW they can run on him.
He does score really high on SSN (Silky SmoothNess) on the basepaths and in the field.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
except some of this...
some of it looks decidedly un-smooth.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
True.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
I dunno, the more I think of it, the more it's possible there's injury issues in some of those instances.
But there are still some instinctive decisions that leave us scratching our heads. Too much hesitation, not enough commitment.
…twss.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
either way, progress is the name of the game. I have full confidence in Colby.
in bed…(dammit)
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Colby hesitates
Hesitation is a great way to describe it – Colby has wonderful speed when he decides what to do and uses his long stride. As on the basepaths – I think that’s why he rates well on first-to-third because there is no hesitation about commiting to his long stride, but he doesn’t steal bases well because he takes a few hesitant short strides before he commits to his long stride/ teleportation mode.
Playing him deeper might reduce his hesitation going back and coming in.
essentially, he has to allow his power level to take out a small sinkhole before his hair turns blond.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I make no claim to knowing why Colby was rated poorly by UZR this year
and I’d caution anyone from writing a memory riddled narrative about it now that the season is over. I think it would require detailed game notes to know why, over 140 odd games, Colby may have struggled defensively. It’s fun to speculate but it’s difficult to know whether you’re creating the narrative rather than simply recording one.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
(that's why we live-blog.)
(and why SBN’s hit-and-miss archiving system really kills the effectiveness.)
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I tried to bracket my statement with just what I actually saw, which wasn't much.
But spectacular plays, both good and bad, stick with you. and bad plays tend to be spectacular, especially for an OF. I agree with you that going off memory isn’t a reliable source, but in the end that’s what you have. Do numbers stick with you moreso than the games you watch? We’ve proven that a lot of those 80’s teams that we love so dearly, weren’t that good. But I still remember watching the games a whole lot more than the numbers they put up. And to me, Colby wasn’t as bad as UZR rated him by the end of the year. Beginning of the year, he was probably that bad.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 12, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm partial to your assesment of Colby's season
but I just don’t know. I think the “poor arm” narrative was wrong from earlier in the season and his alleged issues with going back on balls could be a result of positioning or other issues. For me, I think his problem, to the extent that he has one, is poor fundamentals in the outfield; and I think that stems from the differences in instruction players receive in St. Louis compared to Memphis or Springfield.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
poor fundamentals in the outfield; and I think that stems from the differences in instruction players receive in St. Louis compared to Memphis or Springfield.
In what respect, AFAYK? Genuinely interested.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Oct 12, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I think some of the fundamentals were obvious
especially with the way he positioned himself for throws. I assume you’re talking about the differences in coaching. From my (admittedly limited) perspective, the Cardinals are much more inclined to coach prospects based on what they do well and how they do it. When they reach the big leagues, there’s more of a one size fits all approach. I’m not sure if it stems from different philosophies or the coaches themselves but the instruction styles (and content) change between levels, imo.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
I agree with this.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
agreed.
I just don’t understand enough about UZR and how it “thinks about/evaluates” players. If UZR had said that Coldy was defensively neutral this season, I wouldn’t have had a problem with that. But I would say that you hit the nail on the head. I wish they would get their heads together and decide how to teach the kids what. Granted, that is difficult to do when you don’t know who the ML manager and coaches will be from year to year. If Tony just up and decides to not come back and we have a big rollover in coaching staff, then you have a whole new ballgame on your hands, unless you’re going to bring somebody from within the established system to fill the void.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 12, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe the Dewan system breaks down the plus and minus plays by zone,
and also has an “arm” category, doesn’t it?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I believe so
For outfielders, there’s a relatively straightforward way of breaking out an arm rating based on oppoents opportunities to run, the # of times they do relative to average and then success rate.
UZR also has a arm component on Fangraphs.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
I agree with you on this
Colby moved up very quickly and his last season was cut short in AAA. So it may not have been them not teaching him so much as him not getting enough work. But I do believe they had tried to correct Colby’s approach/mechanics at the beginning of the year but reverted him back due to struggles. I’m interested in seeing what they do with him in spring training.
Also, a lot of people say “bad arm” as kind of a summary of how good his whole “approach + mechanics + arm strength + accuracy = how likely he is to throw your ass out”. Bad arm != weak arm in sports writer talk.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Huh?
“we’ve proven that a lot of those 80’s teams that we love so dearly, weren’t that good”
When did we prove that, exactly?
The “good” 80’s teams (i.e. 82 and 85) were near the top of the league in OBP and runs scored. The ’87 team kind of did it with mirrors, admittedly.
At what are you geting?
by SouthsideCardsFan on Oct 12, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
merit badge for grammar compliance
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Thank you
"This is the sort of bloody nonsense up with which I will not put." – Winston Churchill (allegedly)
by SouthsideCardsFan on Oct 12, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Is "up" a preposition?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
It can be. . .
but I think that in the sentence that Churchill was crafting, he was trying to avoid ending the sentence with, well, “with”.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Oct 12, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Right.
But, in this sentence, isn’t it a particle? “Put up” is a verb. Right?
I really, really don’t remember.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
The Cards led the NL in OBP in '82, '85, and '87.
Whiteyball was Moneyball before Moneyball was Moneyball. (Although, Whitey’s players could have probably sold some jeans.)
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Yes
. . . although I remembered the ’87 team being down the list on OBP. Oh, well.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Oct 12, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
.340
was tops in the NL.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
and they actually knew how to run the bases!
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 12, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
OBP is very important
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 12, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
especially when you have a ton of speed.
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 12, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
actually, whether or not you have a ton of speed
OBP is life, life is OBP – Joe Sheehan (I think)
by SouthsideCardsFan on Oct 12, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
that's what I said
it is very important…. but even more so if you have more speed than power.
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 12, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
who's down with OBP
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
you know me
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 12, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
But pitchers can destroy OBP
If they have good enough control. He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
they didn't seem to have that much effect on the 80s teams
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 12, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
they could get a lot of infield hits
for one thing.
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 12, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
I don’t buy that for a second… they went to the WORLD SERIES three years in the 80s… they won it all in 1982. they nearly won the other 2 times. that seems pretty fucking good to me.
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 12, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay fine.
You guys want to live and die with O?
1982
1. Lonnie Smith led the team with a whopping .815 OPS. (they needed to run like hell), he was one of only two with an OPS over .800.
2. Andujar lead was the ace with 4.6 SO/9 and a 2.47 SO/BB.
1985
1. Again they only had two with OPS over .800 Clark and McGee. Neither were over 900.
1987
1. Clark was the only one with an OPS over ,800
I don’t have time to find more. The starting pitching was okay for then but wouldn’t survive today. Yes, I know you can’t compare then to now. but if you put those players into today’s game, do they survive let alone win championships. How many of the best pitchers today get by on 4-5 strike outs every game?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 12, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, different eras
they wouldn’t be nearly as effective today, of course. this does not diminish their accomplishments in any way.
I guess I just took issue with the “weren’t that good” comment, when they were very successful during their actual period of activity.
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 12, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't say that they weren't that good for back then.
But if you look at what they do today, most of those guys would be strictly playing because of defense. I didn’t mean to get everybody in an uproar. We had this discussion last year and it was determined that by today’s standards, they really were just average.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 12, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
the comparison just doesn't make any sense to me
they were contructed the way they were constructed to win in the 80s.
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 12, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Fine, I take it back.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 12, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess the main thing they pointed out were that defense and speed are underrated
maybe not as important today, but I sure wish we had a faster team overall, and more consistent defense.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 12, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish we had more speed too...
And I wish we stole more bases.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Was Whitey just that much better at evaluating talent?
He got to put together the teams that he wanted. And he didn’t go after the big name guys.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 12, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I think so
makes you wonder what would happen if other managers got to do the same (I don’t want to see what Tony’s team would look like)
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 12, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Good question...
The only examples I can think of off the top of my head of guys I know Tony has pushed for are Holliday (nice choice) Tejada (meh) and Fuentes (also meh).
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Aaron Miles
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 12, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Who?
I must have blocked this guy out of my memory for some reason. Is he good?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I just looked it up and he started out as a scout for the A's.
Then he was the director of player development for the Mets and built the WS teams of 69 and 73 with all the young talent they brought through.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 12, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Balls put in play were more likely to become outs back then...
so the K rate is less important, especially with an ace defensive team like the Cardinals.
And the ops leader in the mid 1980s was routinely in the mid to low 900s
Fire La Russa!
OPS
League-average OPS in 1982 was .692. Cards’ OPS was .697.
In 1985, the Cards led the NL in OPS at .714 (tied with the Cubs).
In ’87, we had a below-average OPS of .718, which is horrible and was with Jack Clark leading the NL with a 1.055 OPS.
Of course, the problem with OPS is that it treats OBP and SLG as equal. I would like to know where their wOBA’s ranked.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
you could just split it into OBP and SLG for conversation's sake
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 12, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Defensive stats
They are fun, and have some utility, particularly at the granular level, but I don’t think that they are accurate enough to be lumped in with offfensive statistics in total value stats like WAR.
Like ERA for pitchers, defensive stats are by their necessity very context dependent when adding up “value”.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Oct 12, 2010 12:01 PM EDT reply actions
To that point though, offensive stats are very context dependent too...
..not all 1B, 2B, HR, groundouts, popouts, etc. are created equal, we just have more convenient buckets for them
Oh yeah, I hit a lot of bombs. Don’t kid yourself.
I was speaking of the. . .
context-independent stats like WAR.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Oct 12, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
the offensive component of WAR (wOBA)
is calculated roughly as:
(0.72xNIBB + 0.75xHBP + 0.90×1B + 0.92xRBOE + 1.24×2B + 1.56×3B + 1.95xHR) / PA
If a player gets lucky on a lot of dinky singles or robbed more than most, it is easy for his wOBA – and therefore WAR – to be artificially inflated or deflated based on no action of his own.
What I am saying is that a smash in the gap that an outfielder makes a great play on and holds the runner to first and an infield dribbler that a runner beats out are treated the same by WAR. We have more easily defined buckets for offensive production, but that doesn’t necessarily mean our classifications are accurate.
Oh yeah, I hit a lot of bombs. Don’t kid yourself.
That's not really very. . .
context-dependent. It is subject to BABIP “luck” certainly, but that is not the same thing as being context dependent.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Oct 12, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
...
Quality of pitcher faced, quality of defense, defensive positioning, park factors*, etc. all play a material role in offensive statistics to name a few. We just have easier buckets to compartmentalize the results.
I’m not saying that defensive measurements are as accurate as offense; I’m just saying offensive stats aren’t as clean as we would like them to be.
*Note: I understand park adjustments, but these are made to “one-size-fits-all”
Oh yeah, I hit a lot of bombs. Don’t kid yourself.
has this been linked yet?
I present this without comment:
They could send rising prospect Matt Carpenter, 25, who hit .316 in Class AA this past season and put himself atop the team’s minor-league depth chart at third base. Or, they could send Cox, the first-round pick who is expected to move swiftly through the lower minors.
They chose Cox.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I'd rather see Cox at 2nd in the system.
There’s a much greater need there and I don’t have a lot of faith in Descalso’s ability to be a major league regular.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
+1
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 12, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
You guys are missing the point
Obviously Descalso and Cox will compete for third base.
Matt Carpenter is a nice player and all… can he play right field?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Oct 12, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Again, I must have repressed all memory of this "Aaron Miles"
Is this just an elaborate practical joke on me by the VEB community?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
the article mentions that we don't have a 2B position
on the AFL club, because we have to share with 3 other teams. They want to fast-track Cox, but I think they’re just putting him in the 3B spot on the AFL team just to get him there. His clock is about to start ticking. By itself, I dont think it means he’s viewed as strictly a 3B.
Kyle Lohse has a No-Trade Clause.
i'll say it again re: defense as a component of WAR
we need 3000 inning sample averages to use for WAR. if the player has less than 3000 innings, then we regress them to the mean by however much they’re missing. so if a player has 2700 innings logged at his position, take that number, regress it 10% to the mean and then plug that number into his WAR calculation
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
I can't wait for hitf/x
I think your methodology is good in its conservative assumptions. I’m sure it gives the really shitty defenders too much credit and the awesome ones too little, but it is probably only a problem at the tails.
How would you propose treating guys who have switched positions? Say Skip moved back to the outfield full time – would he get full credit for innings played there even though they occurred years ago? Age/practice/specialization become issues
Oh yeah, I hit a lot of bombs. Don’t kid yourself.
I thought they were keeping the hitf/x data proprietary. . .
I could be wrong on that though.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
Teams are allowed to buy hit f/x
And they apparently don’t let interns take a glance at it =(
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
by mysterui on Oct 12, 2010 1:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It probably had something to do with
your face.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Not really sure how that makes any sense
The only people who are going to buy it are going to be MLB teams.
Not afraid to nitpick
That is clearly untrue
It’s got the same exact market as STATS, inc or BIS
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
by mysterui on Oct 12, 2010 2:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i guess it depends on how much you trust the system
you’re supposed to be able to take a defender and use the deensive adjustments to slide him around the field and see what kind of ranking he would have there. i don’t think it’s going to be that reliable. i don’t really know how one would account for that
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twatter
The most important thing, to me, is speed off the bat and angle off the bat
It’ll make the LD/FB/GB% MUCH more accurate, which’ll allow us to contextualize BABIP better
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Which plays into my prejudice
against using defensive stats in WAR. It is so sample-size dependent as to be next-to meaningless in an annual stat. Ignoing the metrics, a player can be a very different defnder in Year 1 than in Year 2 or even Year 3, thanks to injury, age, or a variety of factors.
So in using defensibve metrics to calculate WAR, you are faced with the choice of regressing ~60%, or of using a three-year average, which quite very possibly might not be representative of the player’s actual defensive skills in the year. Both are problematic.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Oct 12, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
If you want WAR without defense, just use wOBA
and park adjustments as you see fit
Oh yeah, I hit a lot of bombs. Don’t kid yourself.
but
people aren’t going to change rapidly as defenders. injury is obviously one exception to that rule. but someone can be injured for a month and perform dramatically different at the plate than he did the other five months. that’s not really a fault of wOBA. and i still think it’s fair to account for those differences. no, you may not be able to get the exact performance of a player with the glove in a given season, but i think a 3 year average is going to be much more reliable (and predictive) than single season or any other method that has been presented thus far
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twatter
and maybe you don't even give all seasons equal weight
it could be something like:
.5(CS) + .3(PS) + .2®
where CS = current season defensive innings; PS = previous season defenisive innings and R = the rest of the innings needed to reach 3000 total innings
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twatter
But at that point. . .
aren’t you regressing so heavily that the stat itself really means very little when you are trying to derive current year value? To say nothing of it predictive value.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Oct 12, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm not really regressing it
unless the fielder has less than 3000 innings logged. all i’m doing is weighting the more recent data more heavily. the alternative is to take it as it is and get whacky results like colby rasmus’ ‘09 v ’10. we’re trying to come up with a total value stat and a significant component can have wild variation from year-to-year. that has to be accounted for in some capacity. and until we get a better, more reliable defensive metric, this is the best idea that i;ve got.
the only other solution i could think of would be to leave the current WAR stat like it is and have some sort of adjusted WAR, say WAR*, which uses three year averages of UZR and adjusted linear weights that are adjusted in the same way wOBA is adjusted to achieve wOBAr. then we can call it a predictive stat
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by prophetjohn on Oct 12, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Changing rapidly defensively. . .
isn’t necessary to make defensive stats unreliable. 3000 innings is 2+ seasons if you are playing 150 games, every inning. For part-time players, it’s more than that. I suspect that the majority of major league players would have substantially different defensive skill sets over the course of three or four seasons. Guys like Ozzie or Pujols or Edmonds (peak only) are the exception rather than the rule.
The point that you make about offense is true, but irrelevant – - Noi one is saying that you bneed 1800 PAs for offensive metrics to be representative.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Oct 12, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
but the argument presented me
was that one fielder could be wildly different in skill level from year-to-year. i don’t think that’s true save for some kind of injury or an andruw jones-esque marshmallow man syndrome. when you have those kind of special cases, there’s not a lot you can do, you just have to know it to be able to account for it skip will be much the same defender at 2B that he’s been the last couple years. same goes for yadi, holliday, boog, etc., save for some kind of unforseen rapid change in physiology.
and the reasons why defensive stats are biased include things like data bias and sample error. that kind of stuff tends to work itself out over a large sample assuming the methodology is sound. some may not be ready to make that leap. either way, i think it’s important to have a stat like WAR which attempts to quantify a players overall value. a stat like that has to include defense and every other facet of on-field performance. as of now, UZR and DRS are the best we have, so we have to make due. my WAR* proposal is pretty much just trying to account fo the inherent problems with today’s defensive metrics
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by prophetjohn on Oct 12, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Great post, Dan
manfully bosstastic writing as always.
Still bitching to contact.
by Felonius_Monk on Oct 12, 2010 1:05 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
agree. this is perfect:
(…) increasingly difficult to call “advanced” statistics.
Oh yeah, I hit a lot of bombs. Don’t kid yourself.
I wonder what would be "advanced" now.
Would it be like an episode of “Numb3rs” or Minority Report?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 12, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Sciency-sounding writer-invented babble leetspeak?
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
by hazel on Oct 12, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's all Greek to me.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 12, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
It's like all those movies and tv shows with a "computer guy" character
“Damn, their firewall is double encrypted! I’m gonna have to try to hack the main frame, but it isn’t easy getting past a top-security government key code system… OK, there, I’ve got it! We’re into the Pentagon’s secret network! I’m gonna do a search for files containing ‘conspiracy’, ‘classified operations’ and ‘cover ups’…”
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
You mean that doesn't happen in real life?
Sonuva….. Well, what’s one more disillusionment out of a lifetime of them?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 12, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Computer experts have probably been one of the most abused stereotypes in the last 10 years.
Although that cringe-worthy goth character on the cringe-worthy show NCIS could be used to make a case for goths.
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
there is one problem with that
the actress who plays her is actually goth.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
defensive stats are a neat new addition to the statistical world
but they are probably just going to confuse the hell out of a lot of people. there needs to be some sort of policy about quoting one season, or some sort of regressions put in place with the single season stats.
somehow I find it rather hard to believe that Rasmus went from 9.1 UZR in ‘09 to -6.5 UZR in ’10. I think he was at the very very least league average in center this year. I’d call him a plus 5 to 10 defender.
by UZR, Albert Pujols is in a freefall defensively. since 2007 he’s posted 24.7, then 11.3 in ‘08, then 3.1 in ’09, now he’s just a tad better than average at 1.5 in 2010. this just does not correlate to my observations at all, he still seems like among the best if not the best defender at first base. he’s still very mobile and makes plays. I wonder if UZR is so context dependent that somehow Skip is making his UZR worse? but this doesn’t work with the idea that Holliday is hurting Colby’s UZR, or stealing his points. This system needs a lot of improvement still, although I have no idea how they would do that… would it mean just come out with another defensive metric since this would devalue previous year’s?
one example that does go well with observation is Brendan Ryan, who has had continually rising OOZ plays over the last few years, and a great and improving UZR… although he’s probably reached a plateau, I don’t see him improving too much on defense any more. I think he should be able to sustain his out of zone plays for another season or too, and maybe even polish his defense a bit more (such as deciding not to throw the ball if he thinks it will be pointless or errant)
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 12, 2010 1:52 PM EDT reply actions
obvious joke
Boog just OOZes great D.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 12, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
HA!
that’s pretty good. 69 out of zone plays is very impressive… a nice comparison is that David Eckstein made 15 out of zone plays. only Alex Gonzalez and Escobar had more… but their UZRs were a lot worse than boog’s
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 12, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
unicorns dude....somebody that started in 2010 rotation's
arm has apparently fallen off. More to come at midnight.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
If you take everyone who started,
you have Hawk, Otto, Soup, PJ (I think that’s all of them.)
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Oh not just starters at the beginning of the year...
That makes me feel a little better.
Fire La Russa!
It's Strauss,
so who knows.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
how's about a rotation of Hawksworth, Ottavino, Suppan, Walters, and Lohse
now that would win some titles
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 12, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Lohse would be your ace
well, I guess he was the ace in ‘08, so he’s done it before at least
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 12, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Veteran Proveyness (or however Yadi2Second decided we were spelling it).
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I like Veterany Veteraness better
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 12, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
let it develop
proveyness!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I can only assume Aaron Miles is the lead singer of the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
I dunno...
he might be too gritty to do something as glamorous as lead singer… I’d think drummer or bassist would be more gritty, you know? They do those little things that don’t necessarily show up in the sales charts.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Eckstein would probably be a member
Bo Hart was the original bassist, but he was removed from the band.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
Aaron Miles?????
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Miles would play the hell out of that cowbell.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
for some reason I read this as Grit Bandit at first
that would be a cool brand!
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 12, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Cards are light on curly fries this year.....
only BOOG and KMac.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
in case anyone is not conversant
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Mmmmmmm... curly fries.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
In case anyone wanted to follow
Surprise Rafters are playing right now
Cox is 0-2 with a pair of strikeouts.
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
They've got Cardinals batting 3rd and 4th
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
Brooks Brown got in a tough situation with the Javelinas trying to make a comeback. Jose Iglesias reaching base, a man on 1st and 3rd with Dustin Ackley coming to the plate
aaaaand they pulled him for Brandon Sisk.
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
Dustin Ackley has nerves of steel taking a few of these fastballs right down the middle, just above the strike zone
Walks to load the bases
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
He homered in his first AB
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
Power is a plus for him
But he’s got an INCREDIBLE eye. I guess Dustin Pedroia is a pretty good comp?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
And Eric Thames promptly rewards his patience by GIDPing on the first pitch
The Rafters are out of the jam.
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
Francisco Martinez whiffs at a pitch that was thrown at him
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
I'm just clinging to the last remaining crumbs of Cardinals related baseball
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
peeps shouldn't diss the live-blog.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Engel Beltre grounds out to end the Rafter's half of the fourth
Cox and Cruz due up in the fifth.
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
Sisk works quickly, throwing ten pitches in the bottom half.
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
The Javelinas bring in the unfortunately named Pat Urkfitz
to face Eric Farris, Zach Cox, and Tony Cruz
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
*sigh*
And Cox strikes out for the third time on a change-up low. Not an auspicious start for him.
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
Cruz grounds out.
Maybe they should just bring in Hosmer.
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
offense has been dead quiet for the past few innings.
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
it's like a gilt invitation.
http://twitter.com/cjbeatty44/status/27165453684
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
By the way, did anyone else see this?
Carp just the third pitcher elected to AFL hall of fame
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
I think I heard it a while back
but I suspect Al delivered the news, so I tuned it out.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
live stream for TX-TB at 7
in case anyone doesn’t have a tv handy but wants to watch the game
um… go… Rays
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
I'm going to have to go for the Rangers
solely because Ian Kinsler when to Mizzou and went wild during the 2002 CWS. You know…i case you were wondering (and I KNOW you were!).
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
you know me so well
/if someone says “in bed” i will break him in half
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
a little local sbn color
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
uh
color bars on the 2nd one
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 12, 2010 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
it's worked up until now
too bad fox doesn’t carry this game, wanted to watch it (and refuse to pay for cable until they go a la carte)
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 12, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
if it makes you feel any better
my satellite is rained out and I cant watch. So I decided I’d play The Show for a bit. Now I’m watching my PS3 run a system update.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
not really, I'd be pissed if my satellite feed got disrupted
I’ve been thinking that this winter I might buy a wii or a ps3. probably going to go with the cheaper version, plus the living room tv is not hd, so I think a wii would be fine for now, until I upgrade that tv.
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 12, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
the bars are gone feed works now
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
thnx
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 12, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
backup browser feed
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
dear TBS and FOX
i suppose that FOX will provide some horrible commentary for the WS again soooo…
next year i suggest you put the guys from the booth of each team in one single booth, give them some microphones and see what happens
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
Wow that's just terrible
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
He was never smart enough to understand advanced statistics.
He clothes that in disdain for facts and a preference for a narrative. But hey, why let truth get in the way of a good story.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
he engaged me on twitter recently
and I felt like in the end he came off condescending and ‘holier than thou’ in tone. Nice to see that continue
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Isn't he also not-that-qualified as an "injury expert?"
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I don't know what his educational background is and I'm not inclined to hold that against him.
I think he’s been hyper reluctant to share anything behind his “ratings” because their little more than guesses. For him to slam BP in retrospect is both disingenuous and incredibly ungrateful. But, simply put, he’s never understood advanced statistics so he’s skeptical of them.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
Whoa I just realized KLaw and Carroll are different people.
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
KLaw actually knows his shit
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
what a sanctimonious piece of turd.
I guess the point of the story was missing the point of advanced statistics
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
This line
Geek met geek when Bill James’ animated self showed up on The Simpsons this weekend. While that was happening, I was at a baseball game.
Should be read as:
While you nerds were nerding it up in your mom’s basement, I was socializing and banging chicks left and right. With my friends.
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
by mysterui on Oct 12, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would probably like it more if it did.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
What?
It seems like he is criticizing Bill James for his animated self showing up on The Simpsons, as if Bill James himself were there, while real baseball people were at real baseball games. That is really weird. What would possess someone to use this angle in a piece of writing?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
bitterness.
see also Strauss, Joe.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
There's a distinct element of that in the article.
I would bet money that he’s not happy with the way recent personnel changes at BP have gone which precipitated his departure and then subsequent comments.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
In addition to Posnanski, lboros...
was one of the best at combining narrative and stats.
Fire La Russa!
Moyer doesn't "understand" BABIP?
Is it really that complicated? Batting average on balls in play. Not a whole lot “advanced” statistics more straightforward than that.
Elvis on his horse
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
that was some solid baserunning.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
[wistful sigh]
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I'm sure Ron Washington WAS "some kind of pumped up" before the game...
I bet he was chatty, jittery and overly-enthusiastic.
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
the lead runner is Bengie Molina.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
AHAHAHAHAHHA
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
AAAAHHAHAHHAHA
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Sneaky fast.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
his first stolen base since 2006.
apparently they’re going to give him some antlers.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Yadi needs to stop giving out his secrets.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
So I'm watching the live rescue feed....
I’m a little worried to see a ten dollar ratchet strap with an overhand knot in it playing a prominent role in the rescue of these guys.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
have any of them come up yet?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
no...they're gonna be sending down the first of 2 medics
here in the next half hour or so they say. They are currently beating the rescue pod with a hammer.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
that always works
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Just heard someone say this...
Necesito un martillo más grande.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
oh hey, are those pictures of the miners?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
????
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
there's lots of file feed of dudes waving in the dark.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
ah....I'm watching the online feed from cnn....
msn’s is the same, so I think it’s the one provided by chilean tv.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
i'm enjoying the stylings of larry king's corpse
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I've got no commentary....
just video.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
the guy is now trapping himself in a replica of the capsule
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Larry King just told him it's "excellent, excellent journalism"
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I'm just seeing a giant spinning wheel
Are they in the process of reeling someone up?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Err... down, I guess
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
no, not yet.
They’re making sure the hammer worked. They’ll be sending down the Navy Seals shortly.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
When does Jack Bauer come in?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
He's actually already down there....
and the Seal comment was completely serious. They are sending down 2 SEAL Medics before any of the miners are coming up.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Recurer going down....
not a medic. State mine dude going down and a miner coming up.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Rescuer dumbass.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
man, they're prepared
their clothes are embroidered with their names.
probably by their grandmothers
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Down he goes.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
that siren sounds like the cousin of the rally pig
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
sign it up.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
that cable seems light
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.
by riftraftredbird on Oct 12, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
It's a cable from a ski lift,
I’m sure it will hold one person and the car.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
they're talking about breathing vomit, now.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
bend over when you vomit kids.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
that's the thing
they can’t. it’s that narrow of a capsule.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
yep.....
also, its gonna take 25 minutes to get to the bottom, or 10.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
yeah dont pass out on your back
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.
by riftraftredbird on Oct 12, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Did they hire a soccer announcer to call this?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
capsule has arrived.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
this is the craziest webcam ever
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
dude, they have their camcorders out.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
It's like the Home Run Derby.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
but without Berman
automatically better
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
The live feed from underground is
awesome
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
he's now selling them chamwows.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
the miners are like OK shut up already and get us out a here !
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.
by riftraftredbird on Oct 12, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
we were coming up with a number of movie plots
they are all zombies
they are bait by hell demons
same except lava men
same except giant carnivorous salamander
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Now getting the tour....
this is the master bedroom, bathroom to the left….
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I'm praying for some of that webcam footage on youtube.
I was thinking — that’s long enough to read the instructions on those camcorders.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
here we go!
and someone needs to turn off their cell while they’re next to the feed.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
liftoff
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
somebody stole a car!
no wait. it’s a miner.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
ALARMS
WHICH IS APPARENTLY A GOOD THING
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
siren = miner approaching.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
anderson cooper STFU
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.
by riftraftredbird on Oct 12, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Meh. I like Anderson
It was better than watching the silent feed
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Miner above ground.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
he's got shades
there’s the family.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
He looks very surprisingly good for being in a mine for 69 days
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
cleanshaven even
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.
by riftraftredbird on Oct 12, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
were we hoping for bullpen beards?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
i thought it was a no brainer who knew they were shaving .
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.
by riftraftredbird on Oct 12, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Hygiene is one of the first
things they addressed when they first reached them.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
makes sense keeps the spirits up to have routine
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.
by riftraftredbird on Oct 12, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
yep...
they all had jobs to do, set schedules, exercise, etc. Pretty important stuff to keep them from going crazy.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Looks like they're having door problems again......
someone get a hammer.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
who's the last guy up ? the foreman ?
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.
by riftraftredbird on Oct 12, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
that's what they're saying.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
cowbells! braysers!
did I miss the rayhawks?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Well that was not good base running
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Nice throw
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
watch some miners
or some baseball
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
EXTREME DOUBLE PLAY FAIL
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
head first, boys and girls
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
this could also be an EXTREME UMPIRE FAIL
but what’s new
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Missed it....
I flipped to Anderson.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
What do those wheels do Gary?
Well they turn Anderson.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
out at second, allegedly out at first, Vlad goes home.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
allegedly safe, rather.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Benoit is pitching
this year he’s throwing harder than ever and he has a 11 k/9 and it’s amazing the rays got him on a minor league deal.
gah sb froze
and a gb up the middle and bartlett is able to get to it and kinsler is there to turn the dp.
Also one of the most underrated players in the game
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
back to lee
in 2005 lee broke out for the indians with a 18 game win season leading them to the playoffs.
lee struggled the next 2 years with injury and
was left off a talented playoff roster that included CC sabathia and a young fausto carmona
86 mph slider to pena
and the announcer keep talking like idiots.
2 down on a gb to young.
one out away with upton up
wow
"he and the umpire pitched a no-hitter. He gave him every pitch. Basically, we had no chance." -Orlando Cabrera, whinging eunuch.
by The Continental on Oct 12, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
this play by play
live blog is both informative, and entertaining.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
the SBNing too.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Grant Balfour
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
sounds like a vampire/monster hunter
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
of the Transylvannia Balfours.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmm...
You must be thinking of Belmont.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
allow us our vampire hunting australians.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh i know the Belmonts
In the realm of monster hunters it goes…
Belmonts>Van Helsing (non-Hugh Jackman)>Balfours>Van Helsing (Hugh Jackman)
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
All of that >
Random guy named “Belmont” who played baseball in 1907 for Mobile in the Cotton States League.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
and he still plays to this day!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
You know,
This guy used to pitch for the 6th best organization in baseball
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
do people in the Mariners organization ever joke about that?
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
by purple_haze on Oct 12, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I dunno
I didn’t hang out with the baseball people THAT much, and the rest of the employees are decidedly not the fangraphs crowd
And the baseball people (At least the younger, low tier guys) weren’t that savvy either. They were discussing what OPS+ was when they were trying to compare Jeff Kent to Robbie Alomar, soooooo
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
that was weak
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
oh wait, different angle.
on the pitcher.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
obviously Brendan Ryan would be a fantastic pitcher...
and he wants to just gosh darned so bad!
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
we
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2010 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
our live threads are organized.
and it also cuts down on page-jump during a game.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
also, you'll break CodyG's concentration.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
not enough description, though.
also you’re getting SBN’d like a mofo.
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
[waves tiny flag]
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
haha, *live* description.
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
and in order
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
your description leaves much to be desired
type faster
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
why would I be jealous?
that makes no sense.
type faster. stuff is happening on the field.
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
and yet you're talking to me while there are things to liveblog
you have failed.
now you must live-blog again.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
but that's not live.
it adds to the fail.
well, why are you not live-blogging? for you must now live-blog in perpetua.
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
you are not worthy
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
what are the odds "rescue capsule in the mine" becomes
The 2011 version of “throwing the football through the tire swing” for pfizer?
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Oct 12, 2010 10:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I like it better as a topical euphemism
But that’s just me
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
call your doctor if any erection lasts more than 67 days
by DanUpBaby on Oct 13, 2010 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
or the guinness book of world records.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
that would be a helluva case of priapism
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 13, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Soup's Word of the Day
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
They are going to be beastly next year
Swap out Gardner for Crawford and Lee for Vazquez… The Rays window closes in about 10 minutes
Fire La Russa!
dude's awesome
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 12, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
The door of the pod can only be locked from the outside
One guy will have to stay behind, trapped in the mine for all eternity.
I'd say "Fuck that noise! Just throw me a rope, I'll crawl out myself."
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 12, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, how hard can climbing a half mile be?!
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
If the choices are being left behind and crawling a half-mile,
then I be a crawlin mo-fo.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 12, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
speaking of doors slamming shut.
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
so did Bengie crush anyone's ribs?
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I dunno... you were the one watching
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I was asking about the celebration section.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 12, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
they're blaming PFPs for some of those runs
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Rangers vs Yanks, eh?
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 12, 2010 11:44 PM EDT reply actions
hope Cliff Lee mows 'em down
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 12, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll be in Denver, so 5:30?
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 12, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
indeed
welcome to the real time zone.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
so let me get this straight
mountain time is real time. got it.
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 13, 2010 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
gonna hike that mountain!
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 13, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Albertofstan time, on the other hand, is Central.
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 13, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
12th of Ozzie
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by Yadi2Second on Oct 13, 2010 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
me too
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 12, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
not again
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
by prophetjohn on Oct 13, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
VEP's is the only one that even makes sense
Stand inside an empty tuxedo with grapes in my mouth, waiting for Ada
twatter
by prophetjohn on Oct 13, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
2nd miner
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
he's got goodies
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 13, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
dude, tell us the joke
I can’t even hear the Spanish
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 13, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
he's like the miner Boog
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.
by riftraftredbird on Oct 13, 2010 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I wonder if he'd named each of those rocks.
"he and the umpire pitched a no-hitter. He gave him every pitch. Basically, we had no chance." -Orlando Cabrera, whinging eunuch.
by The Continental on Oct 13, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
no doubt
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.
by riftraftredbird on Oct 13, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
the mine has a sadz now that boog is rescued
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.
by riftraftredbird on Oct 13, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
i'm sure the waino miner will pick up the slack
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 13, 2010 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
heh
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.
by riftraftredbird on Oct 13, 2010 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
It got awkward when the Colby miner asked to be rescued at day 30
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
by mysterui on Oct 13, 2010 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
CARP MINER HAD TO SHUT HIM DOWN
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.
by riftraftredbird on Oct 13, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
CARP MINER DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT NO RESCUE POD!
He’ll climb the rope himself!
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
apparently he narrated the videos—
hey
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 13, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Can someone explain to me what "Honking like a rightsholder" means?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
it's some journo in-joke.
basically being a homer. think Green Bay.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 13, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
it's Mike Rowe!
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Have you seen his TED talk?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I'm incredibly effin behind on all my online viewing
:/
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 13, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
If it makes you feel better, I'm getting INCREDIBLY distracted studying
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
I did see that.
Pretty cool. A lot better than the aquatic ape crackpot.
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
I must have missed that.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Cliff Lee is good at pitching in baseball games.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
cool as the other side of the pillow. I would watch a Western or a gangster movie
or an anime about Halladay, Lee, and Carpenter.
we could throw in the younger trio… Lincecum, Wainwright, Greinke. With guest appearances by Johan Santana, King Felix, and Pedro, the old eccentric in his mother’s garden.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 13, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Lincecum would be more of a lovable villain who is always trying to foil the good guys but never succeeds
“Greinke! You and your friends have been brewing polyjuice potion, and believe me I’m going to find out why!”
OK, this was just an excuse to have more fun with the Lincecum/Snape thing, but I’m bored!
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I think Timmeh would be a credible White Ranger.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 13, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
though usually it's the Greinke types, but that seems too pat
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 13, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
So, some quick Google searching reveals
Jason David Frank, the original American Green/White ranger, is now a mixed martial arts fighter. Apparently he won his pro debut recently.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
long ago, the talk was that he was a douche on set
sorry if that crushed your dreams
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 13, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 13, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
the Rangers switched to ginger ale, by the way.
maybe it’ll catch on. I bet clubhouse attendants everywhere are glad it’s not milk.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Well, here is the big injury-surgery story, I'm guessing.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 13, 2010 11:26 AM EDT reply actions
Very anti-climactic.
I’m ok with that.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Once again,
we got Straussed.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 13, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
only if you forgot your unicorn
will that lower his price, given that it’s probably going to lead to amputation?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 13, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Jim Abbott, anyone?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 13, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
i didn't get straussed
I completely ignored it because I knew it wasn’t anything of consequence.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Guess I forgot to hang the "joke" sign on it.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 13, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
love it
“tear in shoulder” nice diagnosis. Would be nice to know WHAT is torn in his shoulder.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I forgot to watch this morning
we’re to 17 miners
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Fixing the door again.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
nice boom mike work, Guys in the Camion
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
CNN is going to replay boog miner
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Sugar Shane appears to be off the roster
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
you're right. should have happened long ago.
i don’t see a press release. just a transaction.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
Apparently, Carlos Martinez/Matias is actually 19.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 13, 2010 1:37 PM EDT reply actions
The article makes it seem like he turned 19 naturally
as in he is 19 now because he had a birthday, not because he was lying before.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
as opposed
to the UNNATURAL BIRTHDAY
dun dun dunnn
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
or a DEATH-DAY
Which is probably the name of a metal band and/or album.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Didn't this whole thing start with him being 16 or 17 last spring?
It’s not like he’s 22 trying to pass for 19. I just found it funny that he aged about 3 years in 6 months. Not that it matters either way. The kid has a high 90’s FS with and 80mph curve, that’s about all I need to know as long as he’s not as old as Satchel Page.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 13, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
it's not funny if you're Amaury Marti Cazana
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Unfortunately, I'm not.
Not really sure I’d want the fate of the world resting in my hands.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 13, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah, I hadn't heard that
I only knew he was at one point supposed to be 18.
Maybe he’s just a fast, uh… grower? Some players develop quickly, he just develops quickly chronologically! We better get him to the majors soon before he starts to go grey and break his hip.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
ohgod.
that’s credible.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I want to come visit your world someday.
That place just has to be a riot.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 13, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
nah, it's pretty boring.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Compared to what?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 13, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Brendan Ryan.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
That really narrows the field.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 13, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
coming up....
SAN JOSE MINE, Chile – Chilean miner 21, Yonni Barrios, has some explaining to do this afternoon after inviting his wife and mistress to his rescue after 69 days underground.
Barrios should emerge from the Phoenix rescue capsule between 2 p.m. and 3 p.m. ET, but the real drama will begin when he is greeted at the site.
…
Barrios, 50, is a trained paramedic and has been nicknamed "Dr. House" by his fellow miners as he was their medical caregiver during the ordeal.
/fake-blockquote
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
That's awesome.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
also, do you have a link?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
gah, I closed it.
it’s off marecek’s twitter, I think. link to fox philly. so probably a wire story.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
the makings of the highest rated maury ever
by YesWeOquendo on Oct 13, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I was hoping for a slap
right out of the capsule
I wonder if Chile TV will even air it
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
doesn't sound like the wife will be there.
Can’t really blame her.
- 20 is just about out….time for the drama to start.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
is there a wednesday post
or are we waiting for it to come out of capsule?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
yes
will it come up in a capsule
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
waiting for the toaster top pop.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
apparently House is popular in Chile.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
the missus is like stay right there! hold still! I gotta get this shot of you
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
thank you. thankyouverymuch.'
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
they replayed the boog miner
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
here he comes
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
And there's the adultress.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
where's springer
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
So that's the Don Juan of the mining community?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 13, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
apparently.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
she was fixin' her hair.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
You gotta luv CNN.
They go from rescuing trapped miners to legalizing pot. beautiful.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 13, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
groundskeepers:
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
who wants to gif this with a "Get off my lawn"?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Well you never know when they may want to play a pick-up game.
Just for the helluvit.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 13, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
but that creates divots
and divots are evil
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Job security, man, job security.
You ever wonder what the ground crew does in the winter? I mean, do they go to Cabo? Do they play checkers by the fire? Do they get the lawnmowers out and run back forth over the field to keep in practice?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 13, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
this?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
That is always funny as hell.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 13, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm bored.
What’s good on hulu?
Also, what’s good on the internet?
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
i'm rewatching dexter
hulu has sucked lately
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
Always sunny?
or the Sabermetric Simpsons is suppopsed to be on there now.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Minecraft suxxxxxxxxxxx
"What exactly is that thing? A pessimism meter?" - Bruce McCurdy
by hazel on Oct 13, 2010 11:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Here's something cool
These folks in Buffalo might have an original Michelangelo painting in their house.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I took a trip to Europe a few years ago
went to Rome, saw St Peter’s Pieta. It was one of the most beautiful things I have seen in my life.
If that is a real michelangelo painting, that would be awesome
Mike Shannon: "That strikeout was brought to you by...by...well, I don't know what it was brought to you by!"
John Rooney: "It wasn't brought to you by anything Mike."
It would be pretty damn amazing.
There are only a handful of paintings by him anyway, especially ones that are not on ceilings or walls, since he was primarily a sculptor. For one to be just sitting in someone’s house is ridiculous. It’s like that movie “The Freshman” with Marlon Brando and Matthew Broderick, only nobody had to steal anything.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
you're supposed to keep your eyes open
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
you REALLY like porn apparantly....
by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 13, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
well, i just thought it was funny
you said porn and im like wow, VEP mentions porn a lot i think… so i searched vivaelpujols and porn and got those results…
took me 10 seconds…
by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 13, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
episode 3?
i’ve only watched the first two of the new season so i will probably be watching that tonight…
by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 13, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe so
Much better than the first two imo. This one (the episode with the earthquake) was outstanding, much like most of last season.
WATCH TERRIERS
do it, for Christ’s sake. It’s right there on Hulu and it is actually honest to god amazing and it’s going to get cancelled if people do not watch it. It’s only a few episodes into the first season, easy to catch up.
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
i'm sure that FX tracks that data too.
I mean, FX gets ad money for Hulu views.
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
makes sense
i’ll watch it in my free time….
by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 13, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
is chuck any good?
im interested in watching it because… well… really cause that girl chuck works with is so hot…
and who doesn’t want to watch a good show that just so happens to have a really hot girl on it?.
by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 13, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
i tried a few episodes.
thought it was dumb
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
it's ok
I’m kind of hooked, because of the blonde. and it’s pretty lighthearted, the other shows I watch are not. give it a try though, I began in the second season and am going back to watch the first now.
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 13, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
hi guys, i've been off the grid for awhile...what did i miss?
brian augestein???
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
Intriguiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing
mlbtraderumors (MLB Trade Rumors)
Cardinals Claim Bryan Augenstein http://bit.ly/aksCaP #mlb
6 minutes ago from twitterfeed
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
we have secretly switched your Bryan A. for another Bryan A.!
/no not really
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Now if only we can draft Tyler Greene
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Apparenly
they’re might also among the list of 29 possible teams that might be interested in a possible trade for Colby Rasmus
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Guess we could've drafted Jenny Finch
and taught her to throw a knuckleball.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 13, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Eri Yoshida already knows that
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
But we don't have her, do we?
Who could we trade to get her? PJ+MacLaine?
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 13, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
can we just ask So Taguchi to help us
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Sure, if that's all it takes.
I just figured if we had to give anything up, it might as well be nothing we’d miss.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 13, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
we really need to start reading between the lines better
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
badumching
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I think he is talking about Ankiel
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 13, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Big Z
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
15-20 homers in relief would be downright impressive!
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
MacDougal?
sometimes I think the Cardinals really miss Todd Wellemeyer.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
he didn't pitch that much, but was truly horrible, and wasted a roster spot
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 13, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
thankfully he didn't take away food from the rest of the team
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
if he ever ate anything, just imagine the type of pitcher he could be
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 13, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I never understood how he could suck so much
He had a live enough fast ball.
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
He just couldn't throw it anywhere near home plate.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
I hope Suppan is not going to be back
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 13, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
oh I see. DUNC MUST COLLECT THEM ALL
“Sinkerball Specialist”
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
He's actually already posted,
you just need the Platinum membership to see it.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
and an escape capsule
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
dammit! will a race car bed work?
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
I'm hookin y'all up with an overflow.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I had to break somebody's face
took some time to wash my hands
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2010/10/13/1749947/playoffs-off-day-8-links-overflow
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
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