Mainly I'm just excited about this Brendan Ryan play
by DanUpBaby on Oct 1, 2010 5:16 AM EDT
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Before I do anything else, if you've stopped watching Cardinals games, stop what you're doing instead and watch Brendan Ryan be briefly perfect. That's as remarkable a play as I've seen a shortstop make, though if you take a look through MLB.com's Brendan Ryan highlight library I'm sure you'll find something with which to object.
The Cardinals' suddenly adequate play over the last few series of the season should be frustrating, but I find myself enjoying it without reservation, Pagnozzi Explosion aside. These Cardinals can't do anything to mask the bad taste they've left in our collective mouth, but they've at least sent a nice card to apologize about it; there's Memphis players to watch, and a final Albert Pujols hot streak, and now Chris Carpenter hitting 93 and 94 again and wiping out the similarly wiped-out Rockies. The bow that's being put on all these player-seasons is, at least, nicer than the gift.
Carpenter, for instance—now that he's ended the season on a high note I think we can call it an unqualified success. He made 35 starts for the first time in his career and threw 235 innings with an ERA+ over 120—for that, I officially remove all qualifications.
It's an odd season, though; it's the first full one he's pitched as a Cardinal without looking like a Cy Young candidate. His K:BB ratio slipped, his fastball slipped back from its weird post-surgery peak, and Chris Carpenter, of all people, made up for it by putting innings together in bulk. Whatever works. (With this start he actually moved ahead of Adam Wainwright to lead the team, although it took him two additional starts to do it.)
For all the fun with youngsters—I love seeing Mark Hamilton out there, for instance, even though he has no path to St. Louis short of slugging .600 for three months when the team's desperate like Chris Duncan did—it seems like the only situation with serious 2011 implications is right field.
I mean, there's also the bullpen, but while Fernando Salas has been pretty shaky in his nine September innings I can't imagine a pitching staff in which he doesn't figure next year, unless those rumored payroll increases go entirely to paying veteran set-up men. I would have liked to see Eduardo Sanchez, as well, or even Josh Kinney—certainly instead of Mike MacDougal, much as I love Mac The Ninth—but I can't complain given how call-up happy the Cardinals went among the position players.
As for right field, I think the La Russa restlessness would work pretty well out there, should the Cardinals decide to go cheap—neither Jon Jay nor Allen Craig has shown himself to be significantly better than the other, and each has very obvious strengths and weaknesses.
But this might have been easier for the Cardinals to commit to if they'd won 90 games this year. There's going to be a lot of offseason pressure on John Mozeliak to make counting-stat improvements to this team's offense, and even if he thinks the Cardinals can squeeze an average performance out of the two of them the outfield is the easiest spot to appear to upgrade.
I'm not extremely optimistic about either player, but because the Cardinals don't have the money to spend elsewhere and I love full-time platoons I'm fine with the team beginning there at right. I'm not sure Mozeliak is in a position to be so half-commital about it, and if the team fails to find a middle infielder or an additional pitcher on which to hang their offseason I can see them snooping around the second tier outfielders again. (Hey—Xavier Nady will probably be cheaper this year than in any previous season when the Cardinals have been linked to him!)
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the Boog link seems to be going through Facebook
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
that's just amazing is what that is
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Well, now...
… it’s not Jessica Alba out there wearing the BotB.
repeated viewings have been reported
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I'm putting on a loop and running through our work network
That was awesome.
Too bad he doesn’t hit well enough to win the GG.
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
guys....
a whopping 17 errors this year.
he was out of the running by June.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Um, check Ozzie's error numbers over his career...
If you get to more balls, you’re gonna make more errors.
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
no, these were really bad errors.
it was egregiously bad for a while, when his offense apparently leaked into his defense. it would take a miracle.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
There aren't any good errors.
All errors are bad errors, it’s just that some have worse consequences than others.
I don’t know if he’ll win the GG or not but overall I’m mighty impressed with Ryan at SS. I’d play him every day. He’s going to help far more than he’s going to hurt…at least so far.
Taking into account that he’s still young and not what you’d call a “seasoned veteran” I’d say he’s probably got some great years ahead of him unless he gets some serious head problem.
If he can learn to settle down mentally I think he’d be even better.
He’s one of the few players the Cards have that I would absolutely keep. His defense at SS is hard to match.
Carp wants him out there, that’s good enough for me.
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
by Dave Pendleton on Oct 1, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Chris Carpenter...
Our trusty foul-mouthed sage…
"I don't like to sound egotistical, but every time I stepped up to the plate with a bat in my hands, I couldn't help but feel sorry for the pitcher." Rogers hornsby.
by pattimagee on Oct 1, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I'll rec it
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
sorry
In order to win a GG you have to be consent all year. Boog had some pretty bad errors in the first few months before settling down. I don’t think he should win.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
Why does he have to be consistent all year?
Does that matter if overall he’s been the best defensive SS?
by vivaelpujols on Oct 1, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
because it's an award for his performance for the whole year
and not part of it. It’s also not an award for his talent level. Performance matters. All of it.
Ryan had some BAD errors for a prolong period of time. They weren’t errors of aggression either. I do not recall any error given to him that was on a ball a league average short stop wouldn’t have got to. Those errors lead to runs, those runs lead to losses. Those losses (combined with a lack of hitting, other defensive debacles, PJ Hawksuppan’s crappy pitching, etc) Help lead to were the cardinals are today. Which is out of the playoffs.
You don’t get to ignore the errors. And IMO those errors are bad enough to take him out of winning the gold glove. But really who cares? They are just going to give it to the guy with who hits the best anyway.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
you're speaking of the GG award
as if it’s being given out in a fair manner
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
by d-dee on Oct 1, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rafael Palmero circa 1999 says HI!
Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students
it's forumla based now isn't it?
Something like:
5(HR) 4(WEB) + 3(Ned) + 3(Nsm) + 2(Non) RBIs + 1/2 UZR – E
where
HR = Homerunes
WEB = Web Gem Rating. 5 points for number 1, 4 points for number 2, etc
Nsm = Number of time player has his picture appear in a sports magazine. Cover is worth 3 points here
Non = Number of internet articals speaking about the hardships the player had to overcome this year to get to where he is. (like injuries or coming back after failing a PED test)
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
by Evilfrog on Oct 1, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Can't be...
else Rick Ankiel would have been in the running at some point.
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
by Dave Pendleton on Oct 1, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
You got that right.
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
by Dave Pendleton on Oct 1, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Anybody know where to find the answer to this?
What’s the most number of errors committed by a gold glove winner?
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
by Dave Pendleton on Oct 1, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Wiki...
At SS, it’s Maury Wills with 36 (NL) and Zoilo Versailles with 39 (AL).
Heh…Boog’s numbers put him in Renteria territory (2003 GG) except with 20 more DP’s.
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
thanx!
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
by Dave Pendleton on Oct 1, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Right,
and, for the whole year, Brendan Ryan was by far the best shortstop at preventing runs in all of Major League Baseball, so, he is deserving of the Gold Glove, and award than purports to be for those players who are the best at their defensive position.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 1, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
When did I say that the Gold Glove award should be given out to the guy with the best talent level?
It should be given to the guy with the best defensive season, no matter how consistent he was or how many egregious errors he made.
errors are part of the season
and imo those errors are enough to not give him the gold glove.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
except often these errors are handed out rather eratically
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
Even though, by the defensive metrics which are certainly more comprehensive than errors
He has been the best overall defensive player this season?
unless you're talking about the Gold Glove.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
look, we're not talking about the best defensive shortstop
a Gold Glove player has to have a year where you can play any number of clips from that year and say “that was a Gold Glove play.”
as much as I believe it’s Brendan’s to lose, the egregious nature of the errors, the number of them, the stretch in which he committed them regularly (which was also a stretch where the team needed to win rather badly) — it was a how-to book of What Not to Do. if they were 17 throwaway errors, he’d have a fighting chance, even with the offense rider. but at least half of them would never be shown to any Little League team, much less as an example of Gold Glove defense.
he needed a perfect season. and in baseball, “perfect” means consistent. that’s why people still care about counting stats. and it hinges on the fact that the Gold Glove voted on by the people in the game, instead of the people outside of the game looking at the spreadsheets.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
not to mention, a Gold Glove shortstop does not get benched for his defense.
which happened to Brendan this year. more than once, if I recall correctly.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I'm not so sure that he got benched...
strictly for his defense. Actually, I’m not so sure what Tony had in mind when he did a number of things this season.
Ryan was struggling with the stick as well as having a lull in his defense. It could be that he was sat down for awhile to regroup in general and at the same time try to get a little more offense in the lineup.
Ryan was just screwed up on both sides of his game, so I don’t think he was benched just because his defense was suffering.
If the Gold Glove were to be awarded strictly on the best defensive glove I can’t see how Ryan would not be a candidate or even a front runner…even with a bad stretch and 17 errors unless there’s somebody else out there who clearly has a better glove, arm and range. He keeps more balls in the infield than most SS’s even get to.
It’s not much different than the big hitter who amasses a lot of strike outs and hits a slump during the season but still wins the silver slugger award because of his overall performance.
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
by Dave Pendleton on Oct 1, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
it was, for once, cut-and-dry
he was going to keep playing as long as his defense was fine, no matter what.
his defense tanked, and he was benched the next day. one of the few TLR decisions that was cause-and-effect.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
that's the thing
Gold Gloves are not strictly for best defensive glove. they’re just not. they are
1. voted on by the coaches and managers on the field
2. don’t sit on one’s shelf — they are literally a glove that Rawlings allows you to wear even after the year has elapsed.
it’s a subjective award that essentially means no matter where they go, until they fall off the aging/injury cliff, this player will have outstanding defense all the time, and no one will worry about them suddenly goofing up. it’s a prize of confidence in that player — one that is won with consistency. it’s a signal that anyone can play with these guys and they will turn in the same performance no matter what.
by definition, as much as I hate it, a shortstop who brings his offensive struggles into his defense in spectacular fashion is likely not going to win the Gold Glove. and he would probably tell you the same thing if you asked him.
as much as I wish there were an actual best defensive award in the MLB, there is not. (maybe for the relievers?) defensive stats are in their infancy — Gold Gloves have been awarded since 1957. if it were an actual best defensive award, Jack Wilson would have a few stacks of them at shortstop.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
It is also an award that sits on a shelf
A replica of Yadi’s was on display in the Authentics store this season.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
yeah, but can Boog bite it between innings?
that would be a no.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
he might try, though.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
sorry -- since then for each position.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Yea,
I’m aware of all that. That’s why i said “If the Gold Glove were to be awarded strictly on the best defensive glove….”
Awards in general aren’t handed out fairly or even for what they suppose to represent. I get it.
Big Mac lived on a Gold Glove reputation and he won it something like once? Sure it’s a trophy but it doesn’t really mean you had the best Glove that year.
I’m only speaking for Ryan’s defensive value, GG or not. In a fair world he’d be in the thick of it.
Albert got cheated out of at least one GG. How come? Who the hell knows how they’re awarded. All I can do is make my own assessment. I call Ryan a Gold Glove caliber SS.
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
by Dave Pendleton on Oct 1, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
trudat
he was, however, benched for his defense this year.
but many bad things happened this year, so.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
It might be just me...
but I can’t put that in stone.
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
by Dave Pendleton on Oct 1, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
there are direct quotes, dude.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I know,
but I don’t believe everything that’s said all the time. sometimes it’s just lip service. It’s probably just me.
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
by Dave Pendleton on Oct 1, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
...direct quotes, from several parties, numbers, plays, and games.
I’m just saying, this has a higher confidence score than usual. by the same token, you can’t just dismiss it with evidence that’s right there.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
and no...
I am not fond of revisionist history. can you tell?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
you,re probably right,
But so much spin goes on all the time that I just can’t believe half of it…sometimes more than half. LaRussa has said things that you know is just spin, reporters sensationalize and mis-quote, etc.
Forgive me for being skeptical.
Can you remember Gary Templeton’s escapade? It turned out that he had “chemical imbalance”. Give me a break!!!
You’re probably right in this case but I just can’t buy something as the truth just because somebody says it is.
Rasmus asked to be traded. or did he? How much spin was put on that?
It could be that when Boog was benched it was that when his defense started to suffer it became the last straw and that was the reason given. But it could also be a larger picture. He was screwed up in general.
I’m not trying to be argumentative here, and you’re probably right.
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
by Dave Pendleton on Oct 3, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
ok
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
by Dave Pendleton on Oct 3, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
if cesar izturis can win a GG, so can boog.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
agreed.
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
by Dave Pendleton on Oct 1, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah but errors are really subjective
Bill James called them a “moral judgment.” They’re about the only stat I can think of in baseball in which a player is graded non on what he did, but what he should have done. There’s not an objective standard for grading errors… it’s whatever the official scorer says.
Of course Boog had some godawful defensive plays earlier in the season. Look hard enough and Yadi had some too. And so did Pujols. I bet Utley made a few bad throws and botched a few easy grounders. I doubt he’s even a serious GG candidate in the eyes of those who vote on these things.
However, the best measures of defense we fans of baseball have right now suggest that, ugly plays aside, Boog has been a freaking fantastic SS this season. He’s had the second highest UZR and the highest UZR/150 in all of baseball and he comfortably leads the NL in both.
So yes,
errors are part of the season
…but so is the rest of the time when he’s been superb.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Oct 1, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah the main thing is
do you give an error to someone on a play that no one else could have made? I think if it was on a bad throw they should still get the error, but otherwise no
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 1, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I would say no...
…but then scorers probably don’t think that way (I say probably because I refuse to speak for anyone whether I know them or not). So if, say, Franklin Gutierrez runs a country mile to a ball but flat drops it, it’s technically an error but Nate McLouth would’ve had to have been standing right under the place that ball landed, and if he were he would recieve kudos for a fine play even though his play was dumb luck and F-Gut’s involved some remarkable skill.
It’s all so damn wonky I wish everyone could just jettison errors from their thinking. Someone came up with these stats in the 1870s and yet so many baseball people honestly think they’re still useful. My dad is one of them…
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by redbirdnation8206 on Oct 1, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, some think fielding % is still the be all end all
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 1, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
Ken Reitz got an error on a ball he didn’t even touch…late in a game…Bob Forsch had a no hitter going. Error are subjective to be sure.
So if a Gold glove SS fields a ball deep in the hole that most SS’s don’t get to, then makes a low throw to a GG 1st baseman and he doesn’t pick it (which he usually does) who gets the error? Probably the SS, even though he got to a ball that most wouldn’t.
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
by Dave Pendleton on Oct 1, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
And here's another part of the problem...
…Some scorers may call that a hit and others an error based on their opinion. And… well that’s it. Opinion certainly has a place in baseball, but not when trying to measure a player’s performance.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Oct 1, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
nice question
defense is so team oriented it’s hard to pin down who should get an error, if anyone
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 1, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
You have a point, but....
…if Ryan makes it to a ball that would have been a single and throws it past Pujols and the guys gets to 2nd base, there has to be an error to justify the additional base.
If the guy doesn’t make it to 2nd though, ideally you wouldn’t give the player an error.
that's what I was saying
Ryan deserves an error if he rushes the throw and not even Pujols can get it… Albert can’t bail out his throws every time.
he needs to know when not to throw the ball, is the only weakness in defense.
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 1, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
In that case that's right.
I was speaking generically about fielders and meant that the ball was one of those that was just low and in front of the 1st baseman….but, yea….Ryan and Albert is who we’re really talking about. A pic that Albert almost always makes (he’s a gold glover, partly for that) gets the out. Gold glove play on both ends gets the out even with a low throw….but SS gets the error most of the time on that play.
Ryan’s weakness has been mostly errant throws but he’s gotten better. He has such confidence in his arm that it’s hard for him to just stuff the ball. Most of the time, though he gets the out…with a GG at first. That’s where I look for the improvement and I think I’m seeing it already.
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
by Dave Pendleton on Oct 1, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
are we suggesting a team independent fielding metric?
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 1, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
i don't know what you mean,
but you know me by now, if the word metric is used it isn’t my suggestion.
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
by Dave Pendleton on Oct 2, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
He had more chances
than anyone in the league, I’d say there could be a pretty good argument that he should get it, errors be damned. That said, I think Tulo gets it.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
link doesn't work.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
here he was also three full runs better than Tulo, who was second in the league.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
ten full runs saved between Boog and second best.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Holy Shit Barmes!
the guy can’t hit but damn does TZ like him or what? on pace for 32 runs over 46 games at SS
Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students
Go look at where Jimmy rollins ranks in these
stats then realize that facts have nothing to do with GG voting
Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students
JRoll was injured much of the year
that’s why Boog et al had a shot
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Even this guy needed a towel
Adios Esposito.
Adios Sarge. Say a prayer for Surf Boy...wherever he is.
DAMN I love DVR...
Got to watch this over a couple times last night due to that great little invention. He did about ten things on that play that I am physically incapable of, and I’m in decent shape!
If you see a guy open the car door for his girlfriend, either the car is new or the girlfriend is.
That background conversation you heard
is Carp telling TLR that “Ryan is starting every f***ing game next year, I don’t give a f*** what you think.”
by sdrone on Oct 1, 2010 8:41 AM EDT reply actions 6 recs
i only got one correction
Carp speaks in CAPS LOCK
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
I like to think it was Capr telling TLR...
Since your @$$ is gone next year I’ll make sure the new guy knows
"Ryan is starting every f***ing game next year, I don’t give a f*** what you think."
If you see a guy open the car door for his girlfriend, either the car is new or the girlfriend is.
aaaaannnnnnnddddddddddd greenage
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
by gdm426 on Oct 2, 2010 5:44 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
it Seemed like for one brief, shining mooment...
the Boogster had conjured up the ghost of the Wizard out there, and it really made me smile.
:=8)
Spare me your taradiddles!!!!
:=8O
it's not the only time he's done that
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 1, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Amen,
Ozzie was about the best I’d ever seen, but Ryan could be right up there with him and has a better arm. If he could just do a back-flip!
Neither of them carry a stick like a Barry Larkin or Gary Templeton (booo!) (also excellent SS’s) but defensively, I love Ryan. I hope they keep him so I can watch him mature.
Ozzie worked hard at his hitting and became a decent or better hitter, and was a switch hitter. If Ryan can just hit .260 over a career I’d be happy with him if his defense stays the same.
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
by Dave Pendleton on Oct 1, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
if he had the backflip in his pocket he'd be a fan favorite
no doubt. maybe he should invent his own special move to open the game
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 1, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
he is a fan favorite
and he has special moves. he has several of them.
you’ve just got to keep up with them all.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I see him as sort of an albatross
a lot of fans bitch about him and want him off the team, but most of us here think he is the bee’s knees
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 1, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah i don't think he's a fan favorite, really.
only a sophisticated fan favorite. if you follow FSNMidwest on Facebook or read the PD’s comments section, you’ll see the serious backlash against him.
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
You don't have to be unsophisticated to not like Boog this year...
He had a .566 OPS. That’s about 50 points lower than the next lowest SS in the NL with at least 300PAs. That’s really terrible. Boog had a .252 wOBA. Again, that’s putrid. Only three SS in the NL with 300PAs had a lower fWAR than Boog – Escobar, Valdez, and Barmes (and that gives Boog full credit for defense).
He’s a great defender and I like watching him make great defensive plays, but let’s not kid ourselves – he pretty much sucked this year.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Oct 1, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
According to FanGraphs he was worth .8 WAR, according to B-R he was worth .6 WAR. That comes in 478 PA, so on a rate basis he’s still been solid.
We'll just have to disgaree about what constitutes "solid"
There are 25 SS with 450+ PAs and only 4 have a lower fWAR than Boog. Those are dudes like Betancourt and Izturis. And Boog’s not close to those immediately above him (Bartlett is next at 1.2 – a 50% jump).
You say solid, I say sucks. Tomato, tomato, potato, potato, I guess.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Oct 1, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
you are leaving out the part where is BABIP
was ridiculously low at .250.. if he can be worth positive worth when he’s pretty unlucky with this that’s impressive…
with a .280 BABIP, what’s his WAR? unless you think that’s not his true talent which is interesting…..
by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 1, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
What's your point?
We’re discussing Boog’s value this year and, originally, why even “sophisticated” Cards fans just might have a reason not to appreciate Boog’s play this season. It’d be really neat and all if we could magically undo Boog’s craptacular season by retroactively raising his BABIP but it turns out that’s not possible.
Also, other NL shortstops who had similarly poor BABIPs, like Jerry Hairston and Juan Uribe, had double and triple Boog’s WAR respectively. I don’t care what you think about Boog’s “true-talent level” – he’s had a super-crappy offensive season that was only made sorta-palatable by superior defense. His performance is one reason why the Cards did not make the playoffs.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Oct 2, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
So if you only look at MLB starters, Ryan has played worse than them this season
I don’t see how that means he sucks. Guys who get 450+ PA are, by definition, the cream of the crop.
.7 WAR (the average of BR and FG) in 478 PA is 1 WAR over a full season. That’s below average, but I don’t see how that sucks.
Besides his BABIP is ridiculously low this year, despite a normal LD rate. He should be worth at least .5 more wins.
by vivaelpujols on Oct 1, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, we just established that we don't have the same definitions for "sucks" and "solid"
Regardless, Boog was one of the worst regular shortstops in the majors this year as measured by fWAR.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Oct 2, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I saw that boog play last night and I was like "Holy fucking fuck!"
It was awesome. I’m going to the game tonight. I hope to see moar 6-3.
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Oct 1, 2010 9:13 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
the best part was he immediately pointed to Hamilton to credit him for the pick
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Right.
You always thank you first baseman for picking the ball. Always.
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
Absolutely
The difference between “HFS! We need towels stat!” and E6 is that pick and 1bmen then know you realize that and that you let everyone else know you realize that REALLY don’t want to let your throw past them
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Oct 1, 2010 9:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Going to the game tomorrow...
and last night’s play actually got me a little excited about it!
If you see a guy open the car door for his girlfriend, either the car is new or the girlfriend is.
Literally perfect would involve a throw on the fly, I think
But that play was pretty goddamn amazing.
If it was turf, then yes.
On grass, then no.
On dirt, I think yes.
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
Nope
not on any surface. In the best case, the horizontal velocity is roughly the same after the bounce than before. In all real world situations, the ball is traveling slower after the bounce than before. (Unless the dirt/turf/whatever is made of magic stuff that has a coefficient of restitution of greater than 1).
by ArkansasTravs on Oct 2, 2010 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions
but physics are part of the game! (LOL)
That is just SO funny. That’s how I feel about Saber-metrics sometimes. No offense…it’s just funny.
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by Dave Pendleton on Oct 2, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
did Rovak get the shot?
I think he did. it looks the same.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Rovak gets EVERY shot
the man is a genius
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
I think that's it
the part I found most unbelievable is how quick he popped up from the slide to make the throw. Amazing.
by ArkansasTravs on Oct 1, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Boog is able to do some things that I never saw Ozzie do.
He’s just kinda got his own little world. The World of Boog.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 1, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
we're just livin' in it
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
If Oz had tried to slide on the turf at old busch he would have come up bleeding
Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students
very true.
But it’s more than just that slide. Ozzie would dive for a ball that nobody else could get to, pop straight up and be throwing as he came up. Or he made those beautiful throws over the top of somebody on a DP. But I don’t ever remember Ozzie making some of the acrobatic spin moves that Boog does. and makes it look easy.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 1, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Also I was discussing the Ruth/Williams conversation last night
And he immediately interjected about Gehrig. Both Williams and Ruth have better numbers than Gehrig but he was pretty close with career lines of .340/.447/.632 OPS+ 178. I found it a good discussion and I was happy we brought it up here
"IF CARDS CAN SIGN SUPPAN THEY CAN GIVE ME A HOME"
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Oct 1, 2010 9:46 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
and unlike the other two never got to finish his prime
Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students
You might say Williams didn't get to finish his prime either since...
he lost so many years to the Korean War and WWII.
Just imagine Alex Rodriguez or Albert Pujols leaving baseball for a year to conduct bombing runs on the Pakistan/Afghanistan border. Amazing how different the world is now.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Oct 1, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
That is a good point,
then again we have not had to mobilize on that scale in my lifetime something I am incredibly thankful for
Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students
Boog is awesome. I hope he is back next year.
I was reading through the game thread last night, stlcardsfan4
was at a special event for Cardinals season ticket holders. He said the Cards were gonna add a 20-25 HR guy for MIF. When asked if the payroll was going to $120M Mo said that wasn’t realistic.
Stop Lying. Stop talking trash Mo. The only thing that will be different next year is you will trade Jay/ Craig or both for a veterany catcher or 3rd baseman or bench guy. You don’t have any resources. You have nothing that you can afford to give up that other teams want to trade for. You aren’t going to go get a 2nd baseman that hits 20 home runs. It will cost too much.
He must have been buttering up the season ticket holders cause they were going to ask them to renew soon. I hate being lied to. Well technically he wasn’t lying to me since I wasn’t there. sheesh
/end rant
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.
Charles M. Schulz
This was brought up yesterday, but I agree with folks that we have two *potential* 15-to-20-HR guys coming back:
Allen Craig and David Freese.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 1, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
pray for Freese's ankles
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I thought they amputated them......
I heard he was just playing on two bloody stumps next year.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
inject him with some adamantium
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
laminated 4x4's carved into crude feets yo
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.
by riftraftredbird on Oct 1, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
rub a little dirt on em, they'll be fine
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
while drinking.
Well the girls would turn the color of the avocado when he would drive down the street in his El Dorado... -the modern lovers
But what was different is the 20-25HR Middle infielder he promised yesterday.
Depending on what group he is talking to, he promises something different.
Re: Craig and Freese
I hope Allen Craig and David Freese come back next year and hit 15-20 HR. You are right the potential is there but not at all a sure thing.
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.
Charles M. Schulz
Maybe the MIF...
will be even Ugglaer next year?
If you see a guy open the car door for his girlfriend, either the car is new or the girlfriend is.
i think it was more
promise to use our resources as best as possible to get a 25-30 HR guy…
he’s pretty slick with his words so im guessing he was tyring to make it sound like they were going to get them
by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 1, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Um, no need for the veterany catcher when you have Supernozzi!
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
proveynozzi?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
maybe that indicated he wanted Dan Uggla
only possible 25-30 HR guy at MI, right?
by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 1, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
btw, props to momup for sep 29th photos
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
field trip to momup's!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Skip Schumaker looks constantly worried
like he’s practicing self-flagellating
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
where are these photos?
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
did they revoke your gold membership?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
will you provide dirt cups?
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
veb: we'll fatten d-dee up
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
got some closeups of the smallest hand tattoo in there
and I think there’s this catcher labeled “alan craig”, oddly….
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
oh, fantastic action shot
some may find this entertaining
start here and keep paging right through the photostream
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
momup has excelent seats.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
yep
here’s some photostream for the eye candy… keep paging
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i'm to the next game, now
JAIME GARCIA
page backwards
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
sorry, sbn'd
page back and forward …lots of Yadi, lots of Matt
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
it took me two days to go through her entire stream and steal what i liked
i came across it accidentally and didn’t even know she was momup until a picture of danup came up and then veb guys – liiiiittle freaked out
but yeah, she’s got some monster seats. i think i am having those on sunday. yey me
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
"danup has a stalker!"
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
dude, how do you get to use quotes in the heading
and sbn kills mine?
great, now i’m going in your freakin fanpost.. but since it’ll never get finished, i’m not worried
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
haha
add a semicolon to the end… "
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
oh shit, we can do html in the title now too?
sbn, you’re killing me, announce this shit somewhere
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
random question
Is McGwire the only guy on the bench who doesn’t tuck in his shirt?
when you said eye candy, i was thinking differently....
but i guess i could look at 6 photos of joe mather….
by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 1, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
wrong link, then.
there was fredbird and his…. girls.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
ahhh, one ready for a caption contest
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
It's left foot in, right foot out, right?
No mang, left foot in, right foot in.
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
nice photos/ great seats/ good job momup
I really like the ones where you can see in the dugout.
That Fredbird guy needs to lose a little weight.
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.
Charles M. Schulz
by the way... if anyone wants
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Brendan's play was so great - we ovated for a good minute!
had to convince my friends to stay till the 9th… worth it!
"I don't like to sound egotistical, but every time I stepped up to the plate with a bat in my hands, I couldn't help but feel sorry for the pitcher." Rogers hornsby.
best play I can recall all year.
I didn’t get on base. One time I did (Wednesday) and we scored a run. That shows if I get on base, things can happen - Oilspill
So, did anyone see
where some folks watching on TV called the Ohio Health Department to complain that the Reds were smoking INDOORS during their celebration Tuesday night? It was in Big League Stew and repeated on Yahoo today link
Haha... yea!
That picture of ‘old man’ Castellini is hiliarious! I hate the Reds, but this little suit/mess is dumb…
"I don't like to sound egotistical, but every time I stepped up to the plate with a bat in my hands, I couldn't help but feel sorry for the pitcher." Rogers hornsby.
did you all really think i was just going to sit up here & do nothing?
All I've got is a broken heart, memories & dreams that I can't drink away
ok, 'cause SportsCenter is killing it
how does one say Kila Ka’aihue?
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Oct 1, 2010 11:37 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
it's pronounced "throatwobbler mangrove."
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
by tom s. on Oct 1, 2010 12:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
okay, i don't get either of those references
but i’m guessing fespn is giving boog no love
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
it's friday, so it's not-top-ten.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Moty Python,
You really need to just spend a weekend on you tube and watch everything you can.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
^ Monty Python.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
In the Roya;
If you see a guy open the car door for his girlfriend, either the car is new or the girlfriend is.
wtf...
nevermind!
If you see a guy open the car door for his girlfriend, either the car is new or the girlfriend is.
Oddly enough, exactly as it looks
Ka’eye-ih-hoo-ay
I don’t really know how to express a glottal stop other than to use the apostrophe. If you say the word “uh-oh,” there is a glottal stop between those two sounds — it’s a brief closure of the throat, but shorter than a full stop between words. Now say “uh-oh” again, and replace uh with “Ka” and oh with “eye,” but keep the transition between the two sounds. That’s how you pronounce the glottal stop in Kila’s name.
mlb.com is not playing the video now. it starts for a split second then goes to the next clip.
i want some boog!
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
alright i got it on FESPN.
unbelievable play. and its not even #1 on the webgems. FUESPN
You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity. No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball. --Albert Einstein
re: kinney
i believe i saw a blurb on the p-d that the reason he wasn’t brought up was that he was complaining of some elbow/shoulder issues. not sure how true that is, but if true it prevented his addition to the 40-man and will likely keep us from resigning him as a minor league free agent.
if i were, say, the rays, the astros, or the d-backs i’d be waiting in line to give him a contract.
"We were men - flesh and blood - and we played baseball in the sunshine. We hit doubles off the wall, slid hard into second base. We had fights, and we made love. We sang songs and prayed on Sundays. . . . We felt pain. And we felt joy. There was a lot wrong with the world. But we weren't sad, man. We had the times of our lives." Buck O'Neil, from "The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America."
someone else confirmed it
he was slated to come up, but then injury report came in
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
I hope he is just worn out and not injured again.
I’ve always liked him. He did great this year for Memphis.
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.
Charles M. Schulz
I think he won over all of Cardinal Nation in 2006.
Postseason line: 6.1 IP, 0.00 ERA, 1.105 WHIP
It’s a shame he has had so many health issues.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 1, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
That they did...
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 1, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
i saw the gif
and i knew an inverted letter was coming
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
twatter
Im not trying to be a smart ass
But how did it get the name inverted W? Why not just call it the M…seems like it would save a little bit of typing…
I have thought this too
However, it does literally look more like the typical W upside-down than an upside-down M, since capital M’s usually have vertical sides instead of slanted sides.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
yep
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 1, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
there's no question Boog should be starting at SS as much as possible
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 1, 2010 1:48 PM EDT reply actions
Just found my favorite baseball name
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
ahahaha excellent
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
Here's another good'un
VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009
by redbirdnation8206 on Oct 1, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Razor Shines.
Cardinals 2010 memorial sig. Never Forget.
by The Continental on Oct 1, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I had ~3 billion Topps cards of Mr. Shines.
Dude was in every pack.
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
that's one of my favorites
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
by Dave Pendleton on Oct 2, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I think you're looking for
Rusty Kuntz.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
what's the nickname for shortstop?
I know second is keystone, third is the hot corner, what’s shortstop?
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 1, 2010 2:02 PM EDT reply actions
I don't know if I've ever heard a name for SS.
How about the Plug?
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
by Dave Pendleton on Oct 1, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
there's gotta be one
thought I heard one anyway
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 1, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Carp already named it - IDGAF
which is about as close to the original as it gets – I Don’t Give a Damn
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
eh
I’m thinking of an old school word for shortstop
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 1, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
The position is called "shortstop."
I suspect the nickname may have become the name.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Oct 1, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
this is all I got so far
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
Wow,
I kept reading… the question/answer about dates and the changeover from the Julian to the Gregorian calendar was interesting. Funny how you never think about that. Sure, there’s the Chinese and Jewish and Islamic calendars, but I had never heard that the switch-over to the Gregorian took so long.
by ArkansasTravs on Oct 1, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
oh that's right
it is the 1st of Ozzie today in Albertofstan.
how on-topic!
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
lol
"I'm not aware of what I'm doing. It's only after a get acquainted period that I see what I've been about. I've no fears about making changes for the painting has a life of its own." -Jackson Pollock
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 1, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
The "pivot"?
I want more... More baaaacon!
Jim Gaffigan
by blueinmemphis on Oct 1, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
watching Colby last night
I re-confirmed my feeling that he is (at present) an umpire-intensive hitter. Partly because I think he has been hosed a lot this season, particularly the low and away pitch, but even when the call is a fair one, it shows he has a hole in his approach.
When he gets a hitter friendly plate ump, Rasmus can have exceptional OBP and be a 290/300 hitter with a lot of sting; when he gets an ’I’ll show YOU’ pitcher friendly ump, he’s a 240/250 hitter who makes too many crucial outs.
I suspect the hosing will continue since I truly believe plate umps have it in for certain hitters, and diffident young ‘stars’ are the most vulnerable.
If, one way or another, Colby learns to deal with the outside deliveries, oh my; or, if he starts getting the kind of plate calling that say Joe Morgan used to get, OH MY!
If it doesn’t get better, Rasmus will continue to be a rich man’s Rick AnKiel.
yeah, the umps have f'd him over more than a few times this season
I don’t think he’ll show his true talent level til next year or even the year after
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 1, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I've noticed this too
He seems to get a lot less of the borderline calls than other people who refuse to swing at pitches just off the plate, like Albert.
I wonder if this is related to him being a lefty, or maybe umpire positioning?
im skeptical
first of all “a rich man’s rick ankiel” is not even close to what he is right now, but that’s another thing
and someone showed a chart of lefties and i think he’s just getting unlucky… i think we’re being paranoid even though he gets screwed a lot
by stlcardsfan4 on Oct 1, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
The charts showed several lefties getting jobbed on the low outside corner.
It’s a LH trend, not just a Rasmus specific one.
Albert has the advantage of being ridiculous - FredbirdisaDork
yeah
“a rich man’s rick ankiel” just doesn’t make any sense. Ankiel costs more but isn’t as good of a player.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 2, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Boog's UZR
Just thought I’d add a link to this page, and throw in that Ryan’s Ultimate Zone Rating has been, and remains, pretty nifty. While the stats are a little old (August 31st), they show Brendan with a rating of 9.0. That was the 2nd best for shortstops in the majors, behind Alexei Ramirez.
Boog’s offense has sucked monkey balls, but let us not forget that 17 errors, he is STILL a dominant defensive player.
dude, he's saved like 20 runs from scoring, right?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 1, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
Updated, because I'm a perfectionist
His latest UZR is actually 11.2. That’s still behind Ramirez though. Color me fairly impressed.
by JWO on Oct 1, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I dunno
I think boog would easily be better than Ramirez if it weren’t for the errors (which could be chalked up to trying too hard)
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 1, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Alexi better
They are basically the same age and Alexi is more of an offensive threat. Neither really get on base that well but Ramirez has some pop.
Alexi is a bit scared
of the pivot. It’s kinda funny sometimes.
I kind of have it locked in my head
the announcer’s call at the end of the perfect game “Alexeiiiiiiiiii—— yes!”
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
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I dunno
I am mystified by the boog defensive plays. I’ll take the extra plus D
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 1, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
it's like magic!
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You live in Chi Town
Alexi has made some amazing plays. Alexi makes his plays with his arm and Boog tends to make a lot of plays with his legs. Boog has a good arm so he is able to complete his plays but I agree that Boog is a bit more acrobatic than Alexi.
Ramirez made a play in Seattle this year that was flat out amazing. He made a throw from the DEEP hole and threw out a fast runner. I have never seen a SS make a throw from as deep as Alexi did.
yeah, but seeing both of them play I've seen boog make more jaw dropping impossible plays than Alexi has
that said, I watch the Cardinals far more often than I watch the ChiSox
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 1, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
HFS
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 1, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
interesting ... for some people...
This Year in Baseball annual awards includes “Moment of the Year”
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Boog=defensive wizard
Now if he only he could hit like he did in 2009 and do that all the time… .252 wOBA this season… yikes.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Oct 1, 2010 4:50 PM EDT reply actions
I'd be happy if he OBPs over .300
that kinda defense is ridiculous
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 1, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Man, he hasn't had one month of OBP over .300 this year
That’s tough.
there's no question he's been an awful hitter this season
but unfortunately, he wasn’t alone
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Oct 1, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
CALM YOURSELVES
- CardsInsider Tonights lineup vs. Rockies: Greene, Mather, Pujols, Holliday, Craig, Feliz, Pagnozzi, Ryan & Westbrook. #stlcards 5 minutes ago via web
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
and less Pagnozzi.
And less Feliz.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 1, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
that sounds like we're exchanging recipes.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 1, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
"ew"
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
What's funny
is that this picture conveniently (or not so conveniently depending on the person) covers up the cleavage quota that is mandatory for every episode of her show.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
food network....it's a cleavage fest.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
And she's the granddaughter of Dino De Laurentiis, the film producer
Who has made tons of movies. Including Conan the Barbarian, one my favorite movies of all time.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
For three more games.
Evidently, he’s very punctual.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Oct 1, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Suppan ...... seems to be standing in for Miles as he plunks The Cat
but they’re the same person, so.
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now they're talking about diapers.
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
now a plug for Dierbergs
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Cal with words of wisdom
Your wives are saints. First they married you, and then they had children with you.
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
so i come home just to see an empty FSNMW channel
and get the Dish Network is not working with Fox Sports anymore message
WTMFF????
I am hella pissed! Anyone else got this problem?
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
didn't you know?
Attention DISH customers: You may lose FOX Sports Midwest on October 1st. Please visit http://GetWhatIPaidFor.com for more info. 2:58 PM Sep 28th via CoTweet
Lick that shoulder—you're in the doghouse now.
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there..." - THT
i am going to murder someone
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
can it please be AL
"Thats fucking Little League shit , if you're going to flip the bat , I'm going to flip your helmet next time " Steve Kline at Jimmy Rollins in his rookie year.
by riftraftredbird on Oct 2, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
she usually starts with Strauss
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If you decide to switch to DirecTV
I’ll give you my account number and save us both $100!
by ArkansasTravs on Oct 2, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
nooooooo....I'll give her mine
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
that means I might lose Dish on October 2nd.
Baseball is only a game. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole.
by Dave Pendleton on Oct 2, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
DirectTV doesn't have this problem.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
great, direct tv doesn't reach where i live
..i miss ludriguez-wick..
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
uhhmmm...ya it does.
Asshattery: it's an epidemic.
Second base….I’ve played second base, how hard can it be? -TLR
Also, Dave Concepcion.
because DTV is partly owned by Fox & Murdoc
this is so fucking stupid, Fox takes every chance they get to fuck over Dish & i’m sick of it. DTV is trying to get a monopoly in the satellite biz & they have been for years. it’s fucking bullshit is what it is
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icepuck?
Cardinals 2010 memorial sig. Never Forget.
by The Continental on Oct 1, 2010 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
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