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The Ten-Millionaires Club

THE TEN-MILLIONAIRES CLUB

A VIVA EL BIRDOS PLAY IN ONE ACT

CHARACTERS
THE TEN-MILLIONAIRES: 
ALBERT PUJOLS, their charter member
CHRIS CARPENTER, the enforcer
MATT HOLLIDAY, club greenhorn, unsure of his position
KYLE LOHSE, who also is a ten-millionaire

A WAITER, eager to please

SCENE

It is like any other exclusive back-room establishment, only significantly richer, and it caters to the peculiar and conspicuous opulence of its sporting crowd. Around the tables—one for each team, except for the Marlins, who've sold Hanley Ramirez's seat to the Yankees (I'm told it's where Alex Rodriguez and Derek Jeter throw their coats)—sit baseball's elite. Around baseball's elite—imagine a country club, a very rich country club, and now imagine a sports bar, a very rich one, and you're close. Plasma and LCD TVs are mounted right next to each other, at every angle, so that the ten-millionaires' individual preferences for black levels and contrast ratio may be respected.

Membership is granted immediately when one signs a long-term, post-arbitration contract with a year at $10 million or above, but it is still considered good form to be sponsored by a member in good standing. ALBERT PUJOLS has just presented MATT HOLLIDAY, recently granted admission into the club, to CHRIS CARPENTER and SOMEONE ELSE. 

WAITER [removing items from a tray]: Now, we have the filet—

CARPENTER: Mine, thanks. 

WAITER: —and I believe Sir had the lobster—

PUJOLS: Thangs, mang. 

WAITER: —and the mcnuggets. 

LOHSE [pointing, thumbs outstretched, to himself]: That's this guy.

Star-divide

HOLLIDAY [nervous]: I'll just have a water, thanks.

WAITER: Of course.

PUJOLS: So Matt, you know 'e guys in 'e club.

CARPENTER: Hey, congratulations, man. [they shake hands.] 

PUJOLS: You godda waj out for this guy, mang. They call him 'e luggage. Begause he'll hit you, with luggage. 

HOLLIDAY: Oh. 

HOLLIDAY: Well. I'm sure we'll be fine. 

CARPENTER: Definitely! It's really just a fun thing for the fans; Ryan actually got his black eye here, on a guest pass. We were all taking the stairs up to the observatory and he just tripped.

PUJOLS: 'E tripped real bad, mang. So this is 'e Ten-Millionaire's Club. It's got everything you could ever waung—'e grea food, ang 'e bar, ang 'e history, you wouldn't believe it. 

CARPENTER: You're sitting right now in the spot where Mark McGwire decided to retire—and the spot where he decided to unretire. I guess we can tell you that now that you're a member. 

PUJOLS: Ang by Hangley's spot is where the bouncer wouldn't stop carding Carl Pavango.

LOHSE: That table over there is where Darren Dreifort challenged anybody who could hear him and didn't like it to a fight. Long story short, now we only have plastic knives. Finger food, man—[he holds up a mcnugget]—don't listen to these other guys. 

CARPENTER: So really, just look around. It's a blast. Now—I'm going to get a drink. 

PUJOLS: Weren'g you jus talking about that, Gyle? 

LOHSE: Oh, yeah. Yeah, I'm out of orange soda. I'll join you. 

[CARPENTER and LOHSE leave their seats, and no more than a second passes before PUJOLS, with all his usual catlike grace, gets closer to HOLLIDAY. PUJOLS is still seated in his chair, but just barely—he stares at the junior member with an unnerving expression on his face.]

PUJOLS [his voice straining above a whisper.]: Hey. Look, friend.

HOLLIDAY: Whoa—whoa, what?

PUJOLS: Look. I think we're going to be wonderful together, I really do. But we need to set some ground rules. 

HOLLIDAY: How are you... what?

PUJOLS: Rule one: you stay in shape for seven years. No, no—you stay in shape for seven years and you play well enough to trip that vesting option, and then you stay in shape for eight years. I've seen the ZiPS projections, and that's not going to cut it. A 118 OPS+ in year seven? That—

HOLLIDAY: Oh my...

PUJOLS: —that is unacceptable. When that happens people often find they trip taking the stairs up to the observatory. Rule two: you must realize that by not giving the Cardinals the old hometown discount you've prevented us from paying market value for average parts like Kyle, over there. 

HOLLIDAY: Look, man, anything.

PUJOLS: So five wins above replacement—that's great. Four? That's fine, too. But any less than that and the stress you're putting on our internal mechanisms to produce replacements for our Schumakers, our Franklins, our Ludwicks, would simply be too great. The team would be starved for wins it could otherwise buy on the market. This... would be disastrous. 

HOLLIDAY: ...

PUJOLS: So... there's time, of course. Just think it over. With these contracts there's a certain responsibility, and for shirking responsibility there are, it is to be expected, certain consequences. Ah, our friends are coming back.

LOHSE: Albert, Albert! They put an orange slice on my Orange Slice! This is the best club ever. 

PUJOLS: thas' gread, mang! It looks lige a gread dring. 

HOLLIDAY: I don't—

CARPENTER: Matt, if you want to see something really cool you should bring the family around for fireworks night. We set out beach towels and cook up some hot dogs and just ring in Independence Day. My wife makes those dirt cups, you know, with the chocolate ice cream and the gummy worms? And the kids love it. It really is a delight.

LOHSE: The dirt cups are awesome. 

[Enter the YANKEES CONTINGENT. ALEX RODRIGUEZ, C.C. SABATHIA, MARK TEIXEIRA, DEREK JETER, A.J. BURNETT, MARIANO RIVERA, JORGE POSADA, ANDY PETTITTE, ROBINSON CANO, and CURTIS GRANDERSON pull up on matching Segways. RODRIGUEZ begins snapping his fingers menacingly. When you're a member of the YANKEES CONTINGENT, it is said, you are a YANKEES CONTINGENT all the way.]

RODRIGUEZ: Hey, guys, is that a table of well-paid baseball players I see? Or is it just the wind

BURNETT: Looks too small to be a table of well-paid baseball players to me. 

CANO: These mid-market teams sign a few big free agents and they think they own the place. We'll see what happens when the rest of their league average starters want $10 million contracts. 

LOHSE: Uncalled for. 

CANO: Maybe now. But come 2012 it'll be curtains for you guys unless your proles come through in a big way. 

CARPENTER [standing up]: Look... what do you guys want? 

RODRIGUEZ: Nothing, man. Unless there's something you're after...

PUJOLS: Hey, now calng down, guys.

SABATHIA: Whoa, whoa—this is a friendly visit. You and A-Rod have read the compact and you both know that war can't be declared in the Ten-Millionaires Club without a formal vote. We're just welcoming the new member!

JETER: Yeah, this is a diplomatic mission. Matt—we're going to go race our thoroughbreds around the grounds, wanna join in? 

HOLLIDAY: Wow, that sounds like fun! Count me in!

SABATHIA: Awesome! You can borrow Pavano's, he hasn't used it since he tore his hamstring saddling up.

RODRIGUEZ: Nice to meet you, Matt Holliday... I'll see you at the stables in fifteen. Alright—contingent out.

[Exit THE YANKEES CONTINGENT.] 

HOLLIDAY: I can't believe it... it's like I really do belong.

CARPENTER: Hey, Kyle, look at that—PTI is on, maybe they'll talk about you! No, over there, over your shoulder— [they both turn away.] 

[HOLLIDAY gets up to leave but realizes, as he suddenly runs out of slack, that PUJOLS has his dinner jacket firmly by the sleeve.]

PUJOLS [his voice again seeming to leave the bounds of a normal whisper]: Matt... remember our talk. Riding a horse is dangerous, and the Yankees Contingent can't be trusted. We, you and I—we must stick together. The Roster Matrix can't remain in balance if you aren't performing at a high level. Remember the consequences of not performing at a high level. [His hand snaps away as CARPENTER and LOHSE turn around, but inertia and fear leave Matt stiff as the Stan Musial statue, halfway between sitting and standing at the Cardinals' table.]   

CARPENTER: Well, maybe next time, Kyle. 

LOHSE: No mention again. I swear, it's like nobody even knows I'm a ten-millionaire. You ever get that feeling, Matt?

HOLLIDAY: I, uh—it's getting late. I'll probably just head home and work out. Do some extra reps.

CARPENTER: That sounds like a great idea. I think I'll do the same. 

PUJOLS: Yeah, wongerful. I thing I'll leave too. Matt, mang—eighg years is a long tineg. I'ng glad we'll be spenging it together. 

[CARPENTER and PUJOLS leave together.]

Some time passes. MATT HOLLIDAY sits in his chair, too deep in thought to shiver, let alone leave. KYLE LOHSE picks at his mcnuggets. Finally, just as HOLLIDAY has begun to collect himself, LOHSE snaps to attention, as if he's suddenly remembered something vitally important. HOLLIDAY doesn't notice it at first, but. 

LOHSE: Matt! Look over here!

HOLLIDAY [leaping out of his chair]: Oh, god! The reps, I'm—I'm—

LOHSE: Look at what I got in my Happy Meal—he's a Transformer! "Oh, I'm a box of french fries OH NO now I'm optimus prime!!" Isn't this place awesome? It's the best.

#

This afternoon: the Viva El Birdos Hall of Fame results. Wait with baited breath as I attempt to manipulate my Google Docs spreadsheet. 

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google needs an albert pujols language translation tool

like their elmer fudd

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

Resident malcontented betamale

by slu on Jan 8, 2010 1:24 AM EST reply actions  

also, well done

lohse as a fidgety child was really funny….i bet boog was waiting for him so they could play some nazi zombies

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

Resident malcontented betamale

by slu on Jan 8, 2010 1:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Ha!

Very funny. That characterization of Pujols really cracks me up. Good work!

by Upset on Jan 8, 2010 1:24 AM EST reply actions  

I like how the accent goes away

I always picture that Kevin Costner movie.

“Hi, Matt, isn’t this place great?”

“Listen. You take 1 strike outside the zone and you get the stare, bitch. You hear me?”

by sdrone on Jan 8, 2010 9:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Fixed

I always picture that any Kevin Costner movie.

Or are your referring to “No Way Out” where he’s the Russian spy who’s tasked with finding himself?

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

oh crap I got SBN's

I had “start the mechanism” in between less than – greater than symbols. From “For the love of the game”. So Pujols is nice, then goes into game mode and gets ready to smack someone.

by sdrone on Jan 8, 2010 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

anyone who saw him sitting at the analysts desk

(and i use the term loosely)
will know it’s the truth. Albert is scary-smart about baseball.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 8, 2010 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

I find this comment slightly self-serving

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 8, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

it's true, though

facts are facts

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 8, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

tee hee

it wasn’t meant that way, just stating what’s been proven to be true

by d-dee on Jan 8, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Banner work as always.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 8, 2010 1:25 AM EST reply actions  

Be still, my beating heart.

A West Side Story allusion.

Also, I love that Albert is so intense and un-inflected when he feels like it.

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Jan 8, 2010 1:27 AM EST reply actions  

you can totally see ARod doing that snapping & spin dance move as he steps of the segway too

this was awesome dan, simply freaking awesome. my favorite part is Bubbles & his mcnuggest. that’s gold baby! pure comedy gold!

Albert speaking perfect english when no ones looking is just pure brilliance. i can here Carp now as he describes what Luddy looked like as he “tripped” walking up the stairs too. that little laugh, that’s both chilling & very frighting.

you’ve out done yourself with this one danny boy. i’m 6 this was incredible.

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 8, 2010 1:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I think the real question is...

How does A-Rod ride a horse if he’s a centaur… that seems a bit ricockulous…

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 8, 2010 1:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Seems to me that a centaur

sized saddle would be a bit cumbersome for the horse…

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 8, 2010 1:59 AM EST up reply actions  

who says he needs a saddle?

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

Resident malcontented betamale

by slu on Jan 8, 2010 2:09 AM EST up reply actions  

i for one am not making the riding him bareback joke

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 8, 2010 2:29 AM EST up reply actions  

We both know

that type of thing is preferred by young centerfielders who are invited into the club for the day…

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 8, 2010 2:37 AM EST up reply actions  

stupid kids

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 8, 2010 2:43 AM EST up reply actions  

I listen to a lot of old Lovelines

I learned it by watching you Adam… errr listening… whatever…

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 8, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

But now I am craving some Mcnuggets.

Hmm…

Some people have their own bowling ball and their own bowling shoes and no friends.

by jacksonian on Jan 8, 2010 2:32 AM EST up reply actions  

ditto, i love me some hot mcnuggets with honey mustard & sweet n sour sauce

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 8, 2010 2:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Now I feel like I have to drink heavily so I have an excuse to get some tomorrow...

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 8, 2010 2:37 AM EST up reply actions  

you never need an excuse for mcnuggets

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 8, 2010 2:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Get the 20 pack

/vom

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 8, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

excellently done.

i bet they gave todd helton a really crappy table.

My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits

by tom s. on Jan 8, 2010 1:31 AM EST reply actions  

pwn3d

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

Resident malcontented betamale

by slu on Jan 8, 2010 1:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Someone just got served...

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 8, 2010 1:56 AM EST up reply actions  

momup with a shot from the grassy knoll

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 8, 2010 1:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I just pictured Danup

crying.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 8, 2010 2:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Momup

FTW

"Umm - it was - you know - umm - a good game. You know."
-Patrick Ewing

by Thelonious Dunk on Jan 8, 2010 2:09 AM EST up reply actions  

I view this as creating street cred that cannot be tarnished.

Don’t most of us have something resembling this? I have a faux magazine cover with me in full Cardinal uniform…

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 8, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

The things mom's force their kids to do.

Thank goodness my baseball card is misplaced.

by momup on Jan 8, 2010 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

My little league pictures are such fail

The only to ML-logo-using teams I played for were the Yankees and Mets.

Just thinking about it makes me want to shower.

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 8, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

In tee-ball, I played on the Cardinals (the only year I ever had the chance),

and our uniforms were maroon. The year before, I wore green as a Brewer. Odd, isn’t it? At any rate, my parents purchased me what is perhaps the greatest piece of sporting equipment I’ve ever had, a pair of 1988 Rawlings Cardinals game pants. You know what I’m talking about, the ones with the red, white, and blue piping around the waste and down the leg. I wore them for every game, and quite proudly, even if our inexplicably maroon shirts did not match the piping.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 8, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

They didn't issue you guys pants as part of the uniform?

I was always on a team with a MLB name. We always got baseball pants as well. My first year of little league, I was on the Orioles and they gave us black pants. In Alabama. In the summer.

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 8, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

We only got shirts, as well.

Dad demanded nothing less than Rawlings game pants so we had to drive all the way to Branson to the Rawlings store.

by mynameistyler on Jan 8, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

we didn't get pants until like the junior high years

Khoury League baseball.

I tell ya, it was AWKWARD playing baseball up until then.

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 8, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

i was never allowed to play tball, little league or anything

holy crap were my units over protective

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 8, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

My dad grew up in the hills of east Tennessee

His grandparents took him to a church that believed that playing baseball was a sin. His grandpa liked baseball too much not to let him play.

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 8, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

nah

you can ask me. go ahead

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Jan 8, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Isn't baseball religion?

Or is that just to Annie Savoy?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 8, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

it's dogmatic

i wouldn’t call it a religion, though

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Jan 8, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

the GOB heard that

then they realized you’re a prophet, and gave you a pass

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 8, 2010 8:31 PM EST up reply actions  

No Need to Choose...

“…There are 108 beads in a Catholic rosary and there are 108 stitches in a baseball. When I heard that, I gave Jesus a chance.”

by mynameistyler on Jan 8, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

haha

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Jan 8, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Does that mean

Albertofstan is Catholic??? I’m confused…

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 8, 2010 7:37 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Jan 8, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

This

explains so much. Thank you for your candor…

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

aannnndddd green

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 8, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

we don't get a gratuitous "guv'nor" out of that?

My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits

by tom s. on Jan 8, 2010 6:43 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Adorable

Precious

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 8, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I love the potential confusion that could be caused

by you posting as much as I currently do!

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 8, 2010 10:37 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I noticed this too.

I thought maybe he’d had a different variation. Good to know they are the same everywhere.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 8, 2010 2:12 AM EST up reply actions  

rec'd

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 8, 2010 2:18 AM EST up reply actions  

This must go green

I have done my part.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jan 8, 2010 9:20 AM EST up reply actions  

wrong!

Hahah.

A friend made some for a party we had. 3 months ago I wouldn’t know what they were.

by sdrone on Jan 8, 2010 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

well done momup

dan, i’m glad my mom isn’t looking over my shoulder at work.

by _pistol_ on Jan 8, 2010 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

It's a bit scary how true that statement is...

I had to move 5 hours away to get out of my mom’s network…

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 8, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I moved 5 hours away for college and was still in my mom's network

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 8, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

i could move to mars & mine would still find a way to screw with me

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 8, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

momup talkin' smack!

hahahaha!

Best moment I've ever seen at a Cards game in person
Follow me on Twitter: @zoomzoomj88
Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!

by zoomzoomj88 on Jan 8, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Glad to know what really happened to Luddy

Well done DanUp, yet again.

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 8, 2010 1:42 AM EST reply actions  

guess i'll put this here too,

a little bit from joe’s recent work

Holliday’s agent, Scott Boras, has previously challenged the team’s public accounting but is among those who believe in the team’s capacity to handle payroll.

“You have … the eighth-best franchise economically in the game. That gives them choice. That gives them power,” Boras said shortly after Holliday took questions Monday. "They have a new ballpark. They have among the players what is known to be one of the most extraordinary fan bases in the game. Players don’t complain about living in St. Louis. There’s nothing to complain about.

“You’re always going to be in the hunt for the next formula of being competitive. I can’t say it’s going to be the same formula. But you’re always going to be in the hunt for the formula that’s going to do it.”

Boras prefaced last month’s winter meetings by portraying the Cardinals as more of a financial dynamo than a so-called mid-market franchise. He personally confronted DeWitt about classifying Busch Stadium as an expense rather than an asset, compared the club to the Philadelphia Phillies and cited the franchise’s 3 million-plus attendance and stratospheric local cable ratings as factors that should hike payroll.

Boras on Thursday disputed that talks became contentious. Mozeliak colored them as “volatile,” admitting that last weekend’s face-to-face negotiations in Austin, Texas nearly broke down. Sources familiar with the process described DeWitt as willing to walk away, ready to spread dollars among several players.

Reminded that he had once classified the club’s chances of retaining Holliday as “less than 50-50,” Mozeliak admitted to believing the odds briefly slipped to “less than 2 percent” within the last week.

if that’s all true i want to know just want was said & what made DeWitt so mad. que the unicorns.

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 8, 2010 1:48 AM EST reply actions  

I'd imagine

it probably had something to do with Boras trying to tell DeWitt how to run his business….how to spend his money.

Boras really needs to take his ego down a notch. I can see more and more teams refusing to deal with him in the future. He can try and do what’s best for his clients but he really needs to quit telling the owners how much they should spend. Bill DeWitt is very respected by Bud Selig and I bet most of the other owners. Boras prpbably should watch who he pisses off if he wants to stay the top player’s agent in MLB.

Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon

by KYCards on Jan 8, 2010 1:58 AM EST up reply actions  

arguably holliday got really screwed b/c the angels wouldn't deal w/ him b/c of boras.

My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits

by tom s. on Jan 8, 2010 2:02 AM EST up reply actions  

No doubt

and I have a strong feeling that Holliday wanted to play in Southern California as his first choice be it the Angels or Dodgers. But you’re right having Boras as his agent screwed that up for Matt. I would think after the whole Manny ordeal and the J.D. Drew fiasco the Dodgers are not big fans of Boras either. I can see Boras being without many teams to deal with in a few years. I bet DeWitt is not in any hurry to do another major deal with him anytime soon now.

Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon

by KYCards on Jan 8, 2010 2:08 AM EST up reply actions  

real quick f1

anyone have any links for these, i’m a little in the dark on what happened there?

by d-dee on Jan 8, 2010 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

That could be

although I haven’t heard definitively from the Angel’s camp that they weren’t in on Holliday at all.

FWIW, I think it’s bad business for the Angels to not deal with the agent who represents a lot of the best players in the game. They’re cutting themselves out of the market for really good players that they could afford as a big market club — I can’t see that being an advantage in the long run.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 8:55 AM EST up reply actions  

I thought their own explicitly stated they would not bid on Holliday?

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--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 8, 2010 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

owner*

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 8, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

They did

And my immediate thought was, “Oh crap, he’s going to sign with the Angels, isn’t he?”

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by mojowo11 on Jan 8, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

It's kind of odd actually

Arguably their best pitcher Weaver is a Boras client. They had the opportunity to swap him for Halladay and chose otherwise. Interesting…

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by Taskmaster on Jan 9, 2010 3:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, he still did OK, didn't he?

we presumably wanted Holliday for about 5 years and less than $100m. He got $120m and 7 years, AND a NTC. Despite the fact none of the big market teams were involved, it still looks like Boras probably won this one.

I don’t think he’s got much to worry about, personally. As long as players keep using him, he’ll still hold all the aces.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 8, 2010 5:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Holliday would have had more teams involved

if it wasn’t for Boras. It’s just speculating here, but I think the Angels and the Red Sox would have been more involved. The Red Sox did offer a contract but I don’t think they wanted to play the Boras game as they did last year with Tex. They probably knew that he would play them counter offers from the Cards and they backed off.

It just seems to me like as each off season passes Boras’ ego gets bigger. We saw it last year with the Manny deal and we read about it this year with DeWitt and him in “volatile meetings”. Yeah he still looks like a “winner” after this deal. But I think if he keeps bossing these owners around in the media…it is bound to bite him soon. If more teams refuse to deal with him (and stick to it) I can see players getting worried about having Boras as their agent. At least if they have certain teams they want to sign with. I guess as long as he has the Yankees on speed dial he will still have some big clients though. I just don’t think he should be making to many enemies with owners like DeWitt.

Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon

by KYCards on Jan 8, 2010 6:20 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think this is true either
I think Holliday would have had more teams involved if it wasn’t for Boras.

There are only a handful of teams in the big leagues that could afford that type of contract and had a spot open in LF. The Red Sox don’t want to go over the luxury tax, and would have with pretty much any contract that Holliday signed. The Yankees weren’t interested for whatever reason - either they have their hearts set on Carl Crawford next season or they didn’t want the lux tax hit from another $17$18M contract. The Angels have a glut of players in their outfield at the present time, although they might be one team that doesn’t want to bargain with Boras.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 8:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Plus. . .

Holliday didn’t hit well in the AL. Blame it on Big Mac if you want, or bad luck, or small sample sizes. But it certainly doesn’t take much to convince a team not to commit $15+M dollars for 5+ years, particularly when you don’t really have to do that to remain competitive. I can’t help but think that his three months with the A’s cost Holliday some money, whether fair or not.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 8, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

or small sample sizes

Bingo.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 8, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I kinda agree with fourstick here

Boras still gets the deal done, more often than not, and players continue to use him.

If teams collude to not sign his players, a) they’re shooting themselves in the foot, b) it’s arguably illegal, and at least slightly dubious, and c) some other agent will come along, do exactly what Boras does, and the cycle will begin again.

And you’re really just hypothesising about Boras’ behaviour and attitude. I don’t like him either but we don’t really know that he “bullies” major league GMs into giving him what they want. Most of these people are hugely successful businessmen, and are therefore difficult to intimidate and most of them won’t hold a grudge from one deal to the next (again, that’s not great for business, I’d have thought).

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 8, 2010 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't know

if it’s so much collusion if teams decide on their own not to deal with his shenanigans any more and put together a team with players represented by other agents. I’m sure he’ll cry collusion but that’s hard thing to prove… and baseball has no history of collusion… wait crap…

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by ducttape16 on Jan 8, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

right, that's not collusion at all.

It’s only collusion if two or more teams collectively agree not to deal with him. If they decide not to do it on their own, it’s just the market adjusting.

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by SleepyCA on Jan 9, 2010 2:05 AM EST up reply actions  

I really don't think that's going to happen...
I can see more and more teams refusing to deal with him in the future.

As long as representing top players and top prospects teams will have to deal with him, and as long as he keeps getting above average contracts for the players he represents, he’ll continue to get clients. Hell, I wish he could negotiate my employment contract, I’d probably be making twice as much as I do now……..or picking up pop cans to make my mortgage payment.

The biggest problem I have with Boras isn’t his negotiating, per se, it’s his negotiating in public that really bothers me. Playing the team against the fans and vice versa isn’t fair to anyone: The players seems like money grubbing babies, the team seems like a bunch of cheap bastards, and Boras looks like an asshole. Then the contract gets signed, people live with it, and it all goes away — unless that player sucks like a Hoover for most of the contract.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 8:53 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I think you're pretty much right on

It’s hard to know exactly what goes on in the actual business negotiations of Scott Boras, despite the stories (Strauss seems to at least do decent reporting when he keeps his opinion out of it, I believe). But, he is so loud about everything, and that is the really frustrating part. Blaming him is also kind of blaming all the players who hire him though.
I also find myself wondering what the perception would be if he had a similar position at the top of the MLB agents heap but was very quiet about it. Would he be revered? Would people turn their ire on the owners instead who “cave in” and meet his demands?

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jan 8, 2010 9:30 AM EST up reply actions  

If he stayed out of the media spotlight

I don’t think there would be near as much made of his impact, because it’s his comments in various newspaper articles that get people all pissed off. It’s not like the owners are out talking about the negotiations in public, Mo certainly isn’t, neither is Brian Cashman or Theo Epstein. It’s Boras that drives that train.

He’s a shrewd negotiator, for sure, but I do think that a lot of his media posturing has to do with him having a huge ego as much as it does with getting the best deal for his clients.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 9:35 AM EST up reply actions  

great, he got the deal

but he made holliday look like an asshole in the process too.
in st louis we forgive and forget, some other cities are not that nice. especially if the player sucks or can’t play for a long stretch
don’t the individual players he represents have the power to ask him to keep it a little more classy in the media? can’t imagine all his clients feel comfortable with the way he’s conducting business on their behalf

by d-dee on Jan 8, 2010 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

I they don't like it

they can find other representation. Remember “Jerry Maguire”? lol

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

All's fair in love, war, and salary negotiations.

I kind of agree with you, but don’t underestimate the power of egos. I don’t know Arte Moreno at all, but it would not surprise me in the least if some of these owners would refuse to negotiate with certain agents, whether rational or not.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 8, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd imagine that, since this is Boras, at least 2 things happened

1. “Matt has plenty of money. He’d be perfectly happy to sit out this season. That would also make his wife happy, since they wouldn’t have to move.”

2. “We have a 2/40 offer from Baltimore. Matt is not concerned about his wife’s feelings. Sorry, but $16m/year is not enough for a player of Matt’s caliber.”

by sdrone on Jan 8, 2010 9:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Wouldn't Holliday possibly disagree with statement #1?

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 8, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I bet his wife would, too.

I wouldn’t want my husband off work a year b/c of a couple thousand dollars, let alone a couple million. So many things could go wrong. The opportunity cost is way too high.

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Jan 8, 2010 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Most likely

It was simply a case where Dewitt had to get a little nasty to make sure they understood the offer was really, truly going to pulled off the table if they continued fishing around for better deals any longer.

They were interested in maximizing, and they were going to sit on the Cards offer as long as they could get away with it. Not until they knew that we gave our best, and were willing to step away, would anything get done.

by Merry CRasmus on Jan 8, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

the old good cop, bad cop huh?

sounds like a good idea for a one-act play

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by FutureMan on Jan 8, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I love this.

That is all.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Jan 8, 2010 1:54 AM EST reply actions  

This. Is. Spectacular.

One billion gold stars for you, sir.

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-Patrick Ewing

by Thelonious Dunk on Jan 8, 2010 2:00 AM EST reply actions  

I can't even pick my favorites.

I think the Yankees Contingent was probably my favorite, although Lohse was great too. I particularly liked the “That’s this guy” part.
Very well done.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 8, 2010 2:10 AM EST reply actions  

amazing

just made my night

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-Mike Shannon

by tehzachatak on Jan 8, 2010 2:11 AM EST reply actions  

So I got bored and decided to figure out all the tables

All thanks to the indispensable Cot’s
Angels: Matthews, Hunter, Kazmir
Astros: Berkman, Oswalt, Lee
A’s: Chavez
Blue Jays: Wells,
Braves: Lowe, Jones,
Brewers: Suppan
Cards: Above
Cubs: Soriano, Zambrano, Ramirez, Fukudome, Dempster, Lee, Lilly, Silva
Dbacks: Byrnes, Haren
Dodgers: Ramirez, Kuroda, Furcal
Giants: Zito, Rowand (soon to Lincecum, I imagine)
Indians: Hafner, Westbrook, Wood
Mainers: Ichiro, Bradley
Marlins: Sold to Yanks
Mets: Santana, Beltran, Bay, Perez, Rodriguez, Wright
Nationals: Dunn
Orioles: Millwood, Roberts, Markakis
Padres: Empty
Phillies: Howard, Halladay, Utley, Ibanez, Lidge
Pirates: Empty
Rangers: Young
Rays: Pena, Crawford
Reds: Cordero, Arroyo, Harang, Phillips
Red Sox: Lackey, Drew, Ortiz, Lowell, Beckett, Youkilis, Matsuzaka, Pedroia
Rockies: Helton
Royals: J. Guillen, Meche, Greinke
Tigers: Ordonez, Cabrera, Bonderman, C. Guillen, Willis
Twins: Morneau, Nathan
White Sox: Peavy, Buerhle, Konerko, Pierre, Rios
Yanks: Above

Some people have their own bowling ball and their own bowling shoes and no friends.

by jacksonian on Jan 8, 2010 2:23 AM EST reply actions   4 recs

I doubt that table would get along very well

And with the proximity to the Cards table, I can imagine Carp getting real annoyed, real fast. Here comes the lug … I mean, staircase.

Some people have their own bowling ball and their own bowling shoes and no friends.

by jacksonian on Jan 8, 2010 2:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Also

Imagine the Mariners table.

Some people have their own bowling ball and their own bowling shoes and no friends.

by jacksonian on Jan 8, 2010 2:31 AM EST up reply actions  

so Jr is grandfathered in?

once a 10Mil always a 10Mil?

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 8, 2010 2:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Current contract only, probably.

Otherwise Jeff Kent would still be hanging around, washing trucks.

by Mister Eff on Jan 8, 2010 2:37 AM EST up reply actions   3 recs

Or working the valet.

"Umm - it was - you know - umm - a good game. You know."
-Patrick Ewing

by Thelonious Dunk on Jan 8, 2010 2:39 AM EST up reply actions  

that's how i did it

if you have a contract value of >$10M after all of your arb years, you’re in, even if you had your arb years bought out. The only guy I was unsure of was Tulo.

Some people have their own bowling ball and their own bowling shoes and no friends.

by jacksonian on Jan 8, 2010 2:41 AM EST up reply actions  

so no one gets a tickle then because Jr's the one who tickles Ichiro

not the other way around. Ichiro will probably jump up on his table, point at all the NL tables & cuss them out

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 8, 2010 2:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I believe

it’s time for a song.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 8, 2010 2:52 AM EST up reply actions  

i don't think i want to know what a tickre is

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 8, 2010 3:09 AM EST up reply actions  

washing trucks

heh

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Jan 8, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

You missed the setting....
Membership is granted immediately when one signs a long-term, post-arbitration contract with a year at $10 million or above

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

pujols aint a member, he snuck in

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Jan 8, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

maybe the club

looks at AAV only

and wait just a minute. by the rules, either holliday was already a member or pujols isn’t. pujols did not sign his contract post-arb

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Jan 8, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the president of Albertofstan gets to go to whatever clubs he wants in his kingdom

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 8, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

What's all this president nonsense...

Albert and Stan rule as two kings until further notice… I’ve been over this…

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 8, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

it's a diarchy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diarchy

maybe that will legitimize your facts…

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 8, 2010 8:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I never thought I'd see VEB overanalyze something

and then this happened. lol

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

also

most excellent work Mr UpBaby

Some people have their own bowling ball and their own bowling shoes and no friends.

by jacksonian on Jan 8, 2010 2:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Nice work

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 8, 2010 2:25 AM EST up reply actions  

and Chavez and Wells

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 8, 2010 2:32 AM EST up reply actions  

the sawx are going to buy their tables to put their inflated ego's there

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 8, 2010 2:33 AM EST up reply actions  

i must have cabin fever

i’m considering a photoshop of this
like the end of The Shining

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 8, 2010 9:45 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

we have a photoshop b*ch for that

the picture gathering would be really hard

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 8, 2010 9:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe they can all talk together.

You know break down the barriers between the AL and NL. Embrace their common ground.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 8, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

You'd want your team associating with the Pond Scum?

Ew.

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 8, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

my first thought was: the bar's cut them off

my second thought was the Cards’ table is right next to the bar. sadface.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 8, 2010 8:44 PM EST up reply actions  

WTF happened to my comment about the wind & cold i made an hour ago?

f’in SBN

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 8, 2010 3:16 AM EST up reply actions  

stupid winterness

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 8, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

OT: Has anyone seen TNTinCO

on here in awhile? She was going to try to hook me up with some people in Denver, but the email address didn’t work.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 8, 2010 3:01 AM EST reply actions  

I haven't

Hope she’s okay

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 8, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I like that DeWitt is ready to start contract talks with Albert

I hope this will get done before the season starts. This way I don’t have to see anymore pathetic articles by the likes of Phil Rogers or some of the hacks at ESPN trying to “will” Pujols to a “large market team”. I also love the comment that they won’t let Albert get a wiff of free agency.

Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon

by KYCards on Jan 8, 2010 3:07 AM EST reply actions  

i really don't think Albert's going to sign anything till he takes a look around

sure he says he want to talk, but so far when the team says let’s talk, he says no, go make the team better. well there’s not much more they can do to make the team any better right now, and if he blows them off again i wouldn’t count on him staying with the team pasted 2011. everyone wants Albert, but only a select few can afford him. the question is, are the Cards one of those select few? sure they say they are, but you know what they say, money talks. so does the Cardinals money have to say?

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 8, 2010 3:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Know what a pawn shop would give for a couple of parking garages?

How about a nice parking lot and softball field?

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 8, 2010 3:22 AM EST up reply actions  

The complicating thing

Is the team can’t really go balls to the wall in “making the team better” until it knows how much Pujols will cost. Dwayne Wade has basically submarined the Heat this year because they don’t want to take on ANY contracts for next year to make sure they don’t get hosed over in this monster FA class.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jan 8, 2010 3:22 AM EST up reply actions  

There's also the rumor

that a lot of NBA teams are hemorrhaging money so bad the word hemorrhage is thinking of filing a suit for defamation of character… I don’t think baseball is having problems quite that bad. I’m also not sure what boat the Heat are in since I follow the NBA only in stuff I happen across and the occasional funny story of dudes pulling guns and threatening to shoot bad knees…

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 8, 2010 3:26 AM EST up reply actions  

the NBA is in big, BIG trouble

half the teams will probably fold next year or take a lot of subsides from the league just to make payroll. and the knicks are getting him & lebron anyway so half the teams might as well go away.

the only other thing i can think of that the Cardinals can do to prove to Albert they are committed to winning & him is go ahead & pick up all the options on Wagonmaker, and sign C Lee next off season. they just gave Lego $17Mil per year, gave Fat Beaker $8, sold most of the farm for DeRo & Lego last season. i really can’t think of anything else they can do. they’ve already been winners in the past & have shown they will do everything they can to keep winning. if that’s not enough for him, nothing ever will be.

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 8, 2010 3:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Heard he's had his eye

on gold toilets in the clubhouse and at home… so there’s that…

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 8, 2010 3:48 AM EST up reply actions  

hope they are heated, cause i won't sit on one in this weather

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 8, 2010 3:50 AM EST up reply actions  

If it wasn't for ESPN propping them up I don't see how the NBA

would still be around.

Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon

by KYCards on Jan 8, 2010 4:02 AM EST up reply actions  

i haven't watched one game since Jordan retired the second time in 98

i completely lost interest. it’s like hockey & soccer to me now. it does not exist. i just no stuff about it through osmosis from the WWL & other sites.

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 8, 2010 4:04 AM EST up reply actions  

People say baseball is boring

To me basketball is really boring. No need to watch any of the games until the final minute…and that’s if it’s even a close game.

Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon

by KYCards on Jan 8, 2010 4:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I keep hearing everyone say how great the NBA is

I love college basketball and one time on ESPN they played a college and NBA game back to back… it literally looked like the NBA guys sucked on a ether rag before the game. I don’t see how people can watch the product they trot out there.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 8, 2010 4:09 AM EST up reply actions  

i love college basketball though

it’s a lot more exciting than the NBA

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 8, 2010 4:10 AM EST up reply actions  

+1000

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 8, 2010 4:12 AM EST up reply actions  

That's where I'm different

I can’t stand college basketball either. And it sucks for me because that’s all they talk about in this state. They talk about it all year. I can’t listen to local sports talk radio.

Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon

by KYCards on Jan 8, 2010 4:13 AM EST up reply actions  

They have to back off some

during Derby week right?

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 8, 2010 4:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah one week

it’s all hot women wearing funny hats. So that’s ok.

Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon

by KYCards on Jan 8, 2010 4:15 AM EST up reply actions  

There you go...

silver lining…

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 8, 2010 4:18 AM EST up reply actions  

and they are all drinking

and you know what that means. right?? right??

no 6ly, what does that mean?

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 8, 2010 4:19 AM EST up reply actions  

It means Girls Gone Wild

in the infield at Churchill Downs…..it’s a sight to see.

Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon

by KYCards on Jan 8, 2010 4:25 AM EST up reply actions  

I've always wanted

to head down that way on the infield for a Derby day. I hear it’s an experience like no other…

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 8, 2010 4:29 AM EST up reply actions  

i've been wondering for year why no one

had put a ring on natalie del conte

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 8, 2010 4:30 AM EST up reply actions  

I hear some of the after partys

are really wild. By that time some of these women forget where they are.

Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon

by KYCards on Jan 8, 2010 4:32 AM EST up reply actions  

my friend works in the poney biz

and he says most of the stories are true

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 8, 2010 4:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Where would on go about watching this mythical league

that exists only in legend and the hearts and minds of basketball fans everywhere?

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 8, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I get a fair amount of games...

via NBA TV, 402 for Dish Network subscribers. I’ve yet to see an uninteresting blowout in any D-League game and they always play pretty hard. You also get to see a few decent college names you may be familiar with.

by mynameistyler on Jan 8, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll look into it.

That being said I still can’t stand the NBA brand of basketball… And I’ve really been trying to get back into it. I just can’t find it in myself.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 8, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I like the fact that they try to appeal to local crowds

by bringing in players that have name recognition in the city where the team is based. It’s a lot easier to get people to buy in to watching these players play if they saw them play in college or play against their teams in college.

Hockey has done this, to a certain extent, by having a lot of their AAA teams play in the same town or TV market as the NHL club they’re tied with. Chicago and Dallas have really good AAA teams with good attendance

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by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

To be honest

you’ve missed a lot of good basketball.

Personally, I like basketball. I love hoops on TNT every Thursday.

by sdrone on Jan 8, 2010 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

Especially this current era. Durant just had 8 straight games of 30+ points, Kobe is having a career year in his 13th season, LeBron, Anthony, Paul, Wade, Nash — there’s just a ton of interesting talent in this league that’s fun to watch.

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by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

And the Hawks are good!

And (mostly) young!

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 8, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Their problem

is that I’m not sure that Joe Johnson isn’t leaving after this season. He’s their best player and will demand a huge contract. I’m not sure the Hawks can afford to keep him and stay competitive nor can they afford to lose him.

Damn…this situation sounds similar to me for some reason……

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by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Joe Johnson is awesome

I saw Hawks/Heat game 7 last year and he pretty much owned Dwyane Wade. He definitely will demand a huge contract in the off-season, and I doubt the Hawks will re-sign him, but if they don’t, they still have some good young talent that will at least keep them in the playoffs in the (improving, but still weak) East. They’ll just get torched by the Cavs, Magic, or Celtics (or probably Knicks by that time…I guess remove the Cavs).

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 8, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

And by "saw" I mean "attended" just for the record

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 8, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

me either

Jordan was the man.

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Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!

by zoomzoomj88 on Jan 8, 2010 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I went to a Michael Jordan baseball game!

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 8, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

the idea that one can actually see michael jordan in person

somehow mesmerizes me

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by slu on Jan 8, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

how about seeing him puffing

on one of his signature stogies as you’re stumbling drunkenly through the streets of Dublin after midnight? Definitely one of the weirder and more memorable experiences of my life.

by mattyp on Jan 8, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

yeah, it was surreal

outside the porterhouse in Dublin. Got to shake his hand, sure I sounded like an idiot but the only thing I could think to ask was why he was in Dublin. Apparentyl he was there for the Ryder cup at K Club. Him and his buddies (Charles Oakley I recognized, and apparently some big NBC honcho) plus bodyguards headed to this club above the portherhouse. We eventually got in. Jordan was completely surrounded by bodyguards and a bunch bottles, grey goose and the like. Obviously we tried to get over there and hang out with him, but the bodyguards would only let the girls pass. So, all the girls we were with got to hang out and drink with Michael and his buddies (apparently some of them were big creepers, Oakley included) while us guys were relegated to the corner of the bar.

by mattyp on Jan 8, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

that's awesome

I’ve met Chris Zorich and Robert Downey Jr but nothing like that

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 8, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

i brushed shoulders with stevie wonder in new york several years ago

looking for the pic now

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by slu on Jan 8, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

met Jimmy Carter when I was like 5 or something

met a few other celebs on different occasions… and by that I mean brushed shoulders heh

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 8, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I made eye contact with George W. Bush

I marched in the 2004 Inauguration parade, and was on the edge closest to him. I looked over and he looked me dead in the eye and waved. I thought, “I just made eye contact with the most powerful person in the world. I was just within ten feet of him.” Regardless of my personal political opinions, that was a powerful moment.

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 8, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Carter was on a riverboat on the Mississippi near Bellevue IA

and he was close enough to pull my baseball cap down over my eyes. I didn’t like that but I suppose my parents thought it was cute.

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 8, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I gave a high five to the lead singer of Chevelle in concert

WHO’S THE COOLEST DUDE IN THE THREAD NOW?

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 8, 2010 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I drank bourbon

With Steven Tyler at the Marriott in Warsaw, Poland in 1994.

"I learned a long time ago if you keep checking your stats all year, you're going to end up in the toilet." - Chris Carpenter, 2009.

by indakind on Jan 8, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

poppycock

you can never have too many Aerosmith references

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 8, 2010 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

oh i've got a really funny story about that song

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by slu on Jan 8, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

damnit! how'd i miss that?

f’in gdm

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 8, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

here it is

i wrote it for a class, so i apologize in advance for the english student tendencies of it
LINK

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by slu on Jan 8, 2010 6:05 PM EST up reply actions  

it can't be worse

than all the other shit that’s been flying around here the past few week

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 8, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah.

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 8, 2010 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

My friends and I met John Goodman at a spring training game in 2003

…lets just say Walter wasn’t pleased with us

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 8, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course I get it...

why do you think he got pissed at us. 4 guys on spring break stoned and drunk out of our minds at noon on a tuesday in Jupiter reciting the Big Lebowski line for line. I was so loaded, and even though we werent really paying attention to the game because the Braves were pounding the Cards, I remember it well. Especially getting to watch AnKiel pitch an inning.

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 8, 2010 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I dunno
why do you think he got pissed at us
  1. Because you probably knew the lines better then he did?
  2. You ate the last hot dog at the concession stand?

**If I had to bet, I’d bet on #2…talk about a guy who needs to become a Nutrisystem spokesman.

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by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 11:19 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Cold man, cold!

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 9, 2010 12:06 AM EST up reply actions  

We were 'Over the line!'

The man can drink a 16oz beer in two gulps…every time.

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 9, 2010 10:51 PM EST up reply actions  

one of the partners at my firm played blackjack with Jordan in Vegas a few years ago.

it was just him and Jordan at this table, and he thought he was doing pretty good, betting a few hundred a hand. But Jordan was betting $50,000 a hand. True story.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Jan 8, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

My dad was telling me he read or saw on tv a story about MJ

When he flies, he makes huge wagers on whose luggage comes off the carousel first. Like $50K, $100K. He’s got a little bit of a problem.

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 8, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

yah...

except he bribes the ground crew to put his bags out first. I’ve heard this before.

You think he has a gambling problem? Phil Ivey lost $4M betting red/black on the next card coming off the top of the deck during a high stakes poker game in Vegas. A friend of mine was dealing the game. RIDICULOUS.

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by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I dunno

I won $900 on a $1 slot machine in Tunica two weeks ago and that was awesome, but I doubt I’ll ever walk out of a casino with that much ever again, for two reasons:

1. It’s extremely rare to hit a slot machine like that, and usually slots just vacuum up my money

2. I don’t think I could ever bet more that $5-$10 per hand of blackjack or put much money out on the roulette table or anything like that, so if I win, it won’t be that much

I guess I just don’t understand why people make such ridiculous bets, or maybe I’m too frugal

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 8, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Rules of thumb:
  1. Don’t gamble with money you don’t have. This will prevent you from playing the proper odds.
  2. The Pass line at the Craps table is the best odds in the casino, and is also the only place you’ll likely get to see a ton of hot chicks while gambling.
  3. Don’t play any slot machine below $1. The $5 slots are actually the best bets to hit as they are generally set for a higher theoretical payback. The cheaper the slot, the lower the theoretical payback because they take longer to make money. Those video nickel slot machines are, by far, the biggest moneymakers for the casino, because too many people don’t play max credits, which is the only way to make any money.
  4. Avoid blackjack if you’re a novice player if the an actual blackjack is only paying 3-2. That favors the house much more than 2-1 blackjacks.
  5. Never buy insurance playing any game in the casino — Insurance is always a rip off.

I mostly play poker and the sportsbooks, because I’d rather play against other people than strictly against the odds.

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by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

The first time I went to a Casino and played blackjack

I brought one of those cards that tells you what to do in each situation. Like if have 16 up but the dealer has a 2 up. What the best odds were.

by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 8, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Was that legal?

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 8, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

That's legal

most casino’s would rather you were doing that, because then they know you’re not counting cards, which is also legal, yet highly frowned upon.

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by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Like masturbating on an airplane

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 8, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Not so much.....

When I was working at the airport in STL, I get a call on my radio from OPs saying that the FBI will be meeting a plane that I was about to park. Some 16 yo kid decided it would be a good idea to “whip it out” in flight. Needless to say, it wasn’t.

* is an Asshat

by RiverRat on Jan 8, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not just about playing the odds though

it’s about playing the chute.

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by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

i performed

the action ‘rec’ for this internet posting

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Jan 8, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Knowing when the

chute (or the stack of cards being dealt) is light or heavy, and betting accordingly.

It’s actually astonishingly simple to learn how to count cards.

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by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

It is a shoe

Not a chute. Counting through a shoes is indeed much easier than people think.

"I learned a long time ago if you keep checking your stats all year, you're going to end up in the toilet." - Chris Carpenter, 2009.

by indakind on Jan 8, 2010 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

I usually play slots for a little bit, then head over to the tables. I’ve yet to see a poker game cheap enough for my tastes. I enjoy roulette because I like numbers games and it takes a little bit longer.

I generally walk into casinos expecting to come out a little poorer, and view it just as entertainment.

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 8, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

All I play now is $1/$2 NL

You have to have a decent bankroll to play but if you play conservative you will win money. Their is just so many bad players out there.

by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 8, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I make about $100-$200

a month playing online. Mostly .50/$1 NLHE and .25/.50 Omaha Hi/Lo

I average around $22.50 per hour of playing — it’s a nice part time job actually.

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by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

UltimateBet

and Full Tilt are my home bases, and I do a shitload of bonus whoring at other sites like Doyle’s Room and such.

I also play at some sites that are closed to US players by bouncing my IP around to offshore places. I had the SN’s before they closed everything so I just make sure not to lose my whole buy in at those places, because I can’t get money back in there.

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by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

i would do that

but it seems risky to use a proxy to break a federal law

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Jan 8, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

They can't really charge you with a crime, to be honest

because the law only states that the business itself can’t operate here and that financial institutions can’t do business with those sites. Trust me, I checked.

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by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

im a mtt'er myself, trying to etch a name for myself in the landscape

my buddy is now the top ranked player for stl on p5s and one of the tops in missouri. he could crack their top 100 in the next couple months

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

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by slu on Jan 8, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Ugh.

I hate MTT’s online - I can’t sit for hours on end and play and play and play and end up with nothing. I can play for 2-3 hours two nights a week and make $50$100 and that’s good enough for me.

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by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

10 tabling ftw

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by slu on Jan 8, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

3 tables, sometimes 4

if I’m playing NLHE. I can’t play Omaha in MTT format, but my profit per hour goes up because people are really bad at pricing their hands in Omaha. Just knowing the math there is enough to increase my edge.

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by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

and the funny thing is i hate ring games

for basically the same reasons. there is no goal, no progression, no real achievement. basically, it’s boring. in tournaments, especially late, the strategy gets very in depth and is intellectually stimulating. in ring games its much more about just playing good cards and making good lay downs.

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

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by slu on Jan 8, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

The biggest difference for me

is that if some sucker gets lucky and sucks out on a draw and felts me in a ring game, I can get right back in. In a tourney, once you’re out, you’re out.

I’m playing in a live tournament this weekend to cap off my buddies’ poker league: $100 buy-in, 40 guys, plus $5 per week for the last 26 weeks — around a $10,000 pot all told paying the top 5 places.

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by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice

What’s the pay distribution?

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 8, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Standard, except for 1st
  1. 45.0%
  2. 25.0%
  3. 12.5%
  4. 10.0%
  5. 7.5%

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by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I have multiple screen names

or I’d give them to you — I play on probably 4 or 5 different accounts at each site.

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by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

dude....not cool

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

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by slu on Jan 8, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Says you

It’s the only way to defend yourself against the people using high level software to play against your tendencies and exploit you.

If the sites banned Poker Tracker I’d be fine with playing on one SN.

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by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

and you give those who want to keep it illegal ammo

to keep it illegal. if you’re truly interested in being successful then the small investment in hold em manager or the like should be worth it. all you’re doing now is compromising the integrity of the game while giving DC evidence that the sites cannot control cheating.

i truly hope you get caught

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

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by slu on Jan 8, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Well ok then

How am I cheating? I only play one SN at a time, I’m not playing them all at once.

I move the money around to each specific screen name when I’m playing there.

FWIW — if I was playing 4 SN’s at the same table at the same time I’d get caught in under 60 hands, guaranteed. The sites are very adept at catching this stuff now.

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by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

because you have the advantage of knowing the tendencies

of regular players while they have no way of knowing your’s since you’re hopping around on different screen names. it’s inherently unfair

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

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by slu on Jan 8, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Really?

I almost never play with the same players so how would they know my tendencies

by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 8, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Because they have software

that tells them how you play. THAT’S how. Which is even more inherently unfair.

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by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

how? theyre using information available to all players

while multi accounters are intentionally hiding information that should be available to all players

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

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by slu on Jan 8, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t see why that kind of info should be able to all players . It should only be available to people you are playing against at the time.

by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 8, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah the software im talking about

only logs tendencies of players at your table….ive never heard of software that tracks every single table

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by slu on Jan 8, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

So you're telling me

that by them tapping the hand databases and letting the software do all the work WHILE PAYING FOR THE SOFTWARE, that’s more fair than me playing different screen names at different times to keep an edge?

Sorry, but most of my poker circle agrees with me on this one.

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by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

people take notes

and of course the lower the stakes the higher number of randoms. but once you get into say .50/1 there are plenty of regs who take notice

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

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by slu on Jan 8, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't mind the note taking

it’s the combing of hand histories by SQL programs that I don’t like, and I’ve seen them in action.

HUGE advantage if you want to pay the money for them, and that shouldn’t be an option. You want to look at how you play? Fine, but that’s where it should be limited to, hands that you yourself have played in, not every hand that some guy you’ve never seen before has played in so that you can pick up tendencies prior to them ever playing a hand against you.

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by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

what are these programs you speak of?

i’ve never heard of them and am fairly certain i would’ve if they did exist.

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

Resident malcontented betamale

by slu on Jan 8, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

So is using software that

tells you how opponents play when you’ve never played with them in your life. At least I have to play 300 or so hands with the guy to pick up tendencies — they see me sit down and already know how I play because the software tells them.

I really don’t see the ethical difference here.

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by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

what software tells them that?

the only software out there collects data on players at your table

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

Resident malcontented betamale

by slu on Jan 8, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

You're kidding right?

You mean to tell me you’ve never seen the programs that let you query by Screen Name? I have, and holy shit it’s unfair to people that don’t have them.

A Full Tilt member lost his pro status for putting together hand histories for the swedish player than took down some pros in a high stakes cash game. This is the kind of stuff I’m talking about.

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by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

that was all manual though i thought....

it was hastings sharing his hand histories with townsend right?

there are services like sharkscope, but they only apply to tournaments and sngs.

anyway, well known pros have been similarly reprimanded for multi accounting.

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

Resident malcontented betamale

by slu on Jan 8, 2010 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes

but they were playing multiple accounts at the same time in SNG’s and MTT’s, which is completely unethical. I never play more than one SN at a time, and rarely play the same SN’s within months of each other. This mostly came about from losing my account info, then getting my old computer restored that had it on there. So I have a different account on three different computers. I don’t even hardly swap money between them.

Hastings pulled his hand histories and gave them up to another player, which isn’t completely wrong, but it’s unethical behavior because you’re not soliciting advice, you’re soliciting raw data for analysis.

There are programs that pull hand histories from various people who use their service and build giant databases of hand histories that encompass an entire poker site. When you sit down at a table, the software recognizes you and pulls up whatever data it has on you.

You’re not going to see them advertised anywhere, hell, I can’t even find them via google, but I know they exist because I’ve seen them in use before.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

well there are the bonomo's and mizzi's of the world

who would do multiple registrations…..

but im talking about players who have been caught doing the same thing you’re doing and being reprimanded…..

and if those programs exist, theyre a very small minority of players out there. seriously, just invest in a good HUD and you should be fine on one account (all while not compromising the integrity of the games).

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

Resident malcontented betamale

by slu on Jan 8, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Do you live in St. Louis?

The Harrah’s there uses to spread a $1/$2 NLHE game that had a max-buy in of $100. Nobody can bring a stack of $5000 to the table and start bullying everyone.

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by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

No, outside of Atlanta

But there’s a possibility I’m moving up there for a job in 4-5 months, so if I do I’ll have to check it out. That actually sounds perfect for me.

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 8, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Go ask your local cardroom

if they spread a game like that. I’m almost sure they do on the weekends at the very least. Otherwise, put $50 in a Full Tilt poker and play the .25/.50 games. Nobody in there with a bankroll over $100 ever.

Beware though, some card rooms jack up the rake on these limited games of no limit because of the smaller stacks in play.

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by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

that said

blackjack has the best odds for the most part

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 8, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

BJ is the only card game I know how to play.

And I still lose all of my football winnings on it.

by mynameistyler on Jan 8, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I suck at card games for the most part

but I made good money in vegas when I played the $2 black jack table for like 3 hours sipping free drinks. then I got up and cashed out my $250 or so.

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 8, 2010 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

where are there $2 tables?

I’m going next week. I can’t ever find anything less than $5.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Jan 8, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

there were some at circus circus

but that was like 10 years ago

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 8, 2010 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

As my buddy says

“Craps has better odds, but you get to sit at a blackjack table”

Do what you wish, but Craps has the best odds in the casino, bar none.

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by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

huh, I heard blackjack had best odds

regardless, I have no idea how to play craps and I probably won’t learn how to cuz I hardly ever gamble

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 8, 2010 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Playing the pass line is super easy

Thats where the odds are. Gotta stay away from the inside bets.

Free Melodi Dushane

by all4tookie on Jan 8, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Not true.

If you find a craps table with 7x or 10x odds, there is actually a slight advantage against the house.

Read here.

Free Melodi Dushane

by all4tookie on Jan 8, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Im an idiot.

Slight advantage against the house = no advantage for the house. Must have misremembered and/or suck at craps. Still way better than blackjack.

Free Melodi Dushane

by all4tookie on Jan 8, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

You're not far off though

You can take a casino for a lot of money in craps if you can find 7X and 10X just by betting the pass line and betting the odds. It’s a long run profit and it can be kinda boring, but so is cranking a slot machine for 7 hours on end. At least this way you’re interacting with people, lol.

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by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 11:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

My brother loves craps, and he’s tried explaining it to me. I think I have the general idea down, but I’m not comfortable enough to put actual money on it

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 8, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Having been a dealer at the Flamingo in LV

You are wrong on #2. The “Don’ t Pass” line has better odds but will make you very unpopular at the table.

Also, the best table games odds in the house is Baccarat.

Another rule of thumb is if it is a “carnival game” like 3Card Poker it favors the house big time. I used to count the money (weird experience counting hundreds of thousands of dollars that weren’t mine) and calculate the hold percentages of the games so I saw first hand which games were big winners for the house.

"I learned a long time ago if you keep checking your stats all year, you're going to end up in the toilet." - Chris Carpenter, 2009.

by indakind on Jan 8, 2010 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Yah...I was trying not to get a newbie at the craps table killed, lol

Plus, you can play odds on the pass line, but not on the don’t pass line.

Only a few places I know of still have a regular baccarat game going, and most of them are in Vegas, plus, it’s can be a hard game to learn because you have trouble playing it everywhere. But you’re right, it’s got the best odds — you just might have to hang out with 007 in Monte Carlo to find a regular game.

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by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions  

The casinos are afraid of craps

It is the one game in the pit that the house fears. Hot dice with 10x, 50x or 100x odds can wipe out the take from all the other games in the pit. It usually held around 30% but it was the one game that would lose money every so often and it was often a big loss.

"I learned a long time ago if you keep checking your stats all year, you're going to end up in the toilet." - Chris Carpenter, 2009.

by indakind on Jan 9, 2010 12:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Bribing for the outcome...

of your bet is simply known as betting the smart-money.

by mynameistyler on Jan 8, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I call BS on this story

unless he’s in the Bizarro high rollers suite or your friend was playing more than that a hand.

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by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

No it's true.

He was at a basketball fantasy camp at the MGM put on by Michael Jordan, Bill Walton, Lenny Wilkens, and some others. I don’t know how he got to play in this high roller room with Jordan, but he did. It may have had something to do with being in that camp, which was insanely expensive.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Jan 8, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Must have been

The MGM high roller tables are limited out at $100, $500, $1000, $10,000 a hand minimum, and you can’t have someone playing big on a $100 table like that — the pit isn’t stocked at a high enough level to accommodate that kind of action.

Granted, I know WAY to much about this stuff, but I’ve got friends who work in the casino business in Vegas. Crazy, crazy stories.

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by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

You can fill a table with any type of chips

Sometimes the high rollers like the additional players at tables and choose to play lower limit tables to have additional hands out. There are no hard and fast rules about limits at any table. Whatever the pit manager says…goes.

"I learned a long time ago if you keep checking your stats all year, you're going to end up in the toilet." - Chris Carpenter, 2009.

by indakind on Jan 8, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Right

but most pit managers won’t allow $50,000 a hand action at a $100 table, unless the high rollers room is teeming with people, and that generally isn’t the case. The pit would have to call in extra checks to cover that kind of action, generally, and a lot of pit bosses won’t let that go.

That’s kinda what I was getting at — sure, that could have been happened, but it’s highly unlikely, and it’s just the type of bullshit story I always here from liars when they come back from Vegas, lol.

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by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree about the bullshit

But I have presided over yellow ($1000) and brown ($5000) fills on $100 tables. I will say that you could very easily end up gambling with a celebrity at a $100 BJ table late at night at the Hard Rock. Of course that was back around 2000 before the Palms & Wynn.

"I learned a long time ago if you keep checking your stats all year, you're going to end up in the toilet." - Chris Carpenter, 2009.

by indakind on Jan 9, 2010 12:28 AM EST up reply actions  

In Bill Simmons' new book

he’s got two great Jordan stories in there.

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by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Not sure where this goes

I rode a ski lift at Aspen with a local (woman) who was apparently out skiing on a crappy condition day only because her roomate had Jordan over to their condo after a post-workout date after meeting at the spa.

My impression was that the roommate was a woman, though now that I think about it, I didn’t specifically ask.

by siddfynch on Jan 9, 2010 2:05 AM EST up reply actions  

He was awful at baseball

He played two innings in LF, and batted once, striking out. Their manager got ejected, and our little AA park got sold out for probably the first (and last) time ever.

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 8, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

He Wasn't Terrible, He Was Honorable...

Haven’t you ever seen Space Jam? He struck out intentionally because the catchers would always tell him what pitches were coming. MJ doesn’t roll like that.

by mynameistyler on Jan 8, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

But I've got 3 or 4 Upper Deck cards

of him in his White Sox uni, and apparently they’re worth more than I paid for them.

There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 8, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I got to hear

Bill Nye drop a f bomb… that was surreal

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 8, 2010 7:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I once watched

Pauly Shore being pushed through Harrah’s in STL in a wheelchair because he was to high to walk. Not really a high point, but thought I’d share.

* is an Asshat

by RiverRat on Jan 8, 2010 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Is there video of this anywhere?

I want to hear it too

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 8, 2010 8:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Only in my mind

In college I would judge the Rube Goldberg contest at Engineering Open House at Illinois. My freshman year he was the big speaker who was there for the event. He came to hand out the trophies for the contest and before things were going all of the judges were kind of hanging out and he showed up. He came over to us and was just shooting the shit until it was time for him to hand out the awards. During this conversation he was talking about all the stuff he saw during the day and said “Honestly this is the best part of the whole fucking thing.” I just kind of stood there stunned for a few seconds to rebound from hearing Bill Nye drop the bomb…

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 9, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

you want some real shock

apparently he’s a Nats fan

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 10, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

His f bomb dropping

proceeded the Nats arriving on the scene by several years.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 11, 2010 4:14 AM EST up reply actions  

but i'm sure each was wrapped in balsa wood and cotton and weighed less than a pound.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 11, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Ditto

except for watching Jordan’s last game with the Wizards, I havent either. College Bball is where its at. I’ll take an SIU or Illini game over Cavs vs Lakers any day of the year.

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 8, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Lee

is probably going to get extended this year by the Mariners. I don’t see him hitting free agency.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 8, 2010 6:01 AM EST up reply actions  

This simply isn't true
half the teams will probably fold next year or take a lot of subsides from the league just to make payroll. and the knicks are getting him & lebron anyway so half the teams might as well go away.

There are some teams with payroll issues, but most of them will end up being alright. The NBA is going to have a major salary adjustment over the next couple of seasons, which is badly needed and will help the mid-market teams. The rookie salary structure has also helped to keep more teams solvent, as the lottery picks now don’t have exclusive negotiating leverage.

There’s no effing way that David Stern allows half the league to fold. Hell, the Lakers and Knicks alone are paying enough luxury tax this season to keep 3 other teams afloat. The NBA needs better revenue sharing (which baseball has) and they’d be a lot better off.

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by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 9:03 AM EST up reply actions  

i could have sworn i put a "if this doesn't happen" before that statement

i don’t think they will fold, but i do think more than one will declare for bankruptcy

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 8, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I dont' think that will happen either

because it would hurt the league’s image and sponsorship dollars, which would, in turn, force more teams to go under. They’ll force owners to sell rather than let them go through bankruptcy. It’s happened before.

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by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

i just don't see how it's avoidable

but i really don’t know a lot about it, i’ve just observed a few things & they all point to more than one team have to declare. now i totally believe if that happens the league will do everything they can to hide it from the public & finance that team till a new owner can be found. like you said it will hurt the leagues image even more & that’s the last thing they need

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 8, 2010 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Escrow system

The NBA also has a neat feature (for the owner’s) in their escrow system. The players paychecks are reduced by 9% and that money is held in a separate account.

If the league hits certain revenue numbers, the players get their money. If they don’t, the owners get to keep it.

Helps prevents overspending on players.

I believe for 08/09, the owners kept it all.

by djsmokyc on Jan 8, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I love the owners forcing the players to bail them out

That model worked pretty well for the NHL… I can’t see how this can possibly backfire…

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 8, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

The other thing they do

is insure all their contracts collectively as a league, so that the teams don’t have to foot the bill themselves. This is why you see such great value put in expiring contracts of players like Raef LaFrentz — the contract, and it’s insurability, is worth more than the player in terms of actual value (cash) and cap space.

I have a feeling the escrow system will be a big topic in their next CBA agreement though — the players are gettting f***ed on that deal.

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by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, it's player salaries AS A PERCENT of revenue

It’s so that, at the end of the year, you can be sure that player salaries total an exact percent of NBA basketball income.

The players wanted that percentage, and they fought to get it. It’s not like, at the end of the year, you could say “whoa, you were at 56%, please give 1% back”.

by sdrone on Jan 8, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Right

i still think they’re going to look at getting rid of it altogether though. Make some concessions on the mid-level exceptions and such to get rid of it.

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by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

It amazes me how much baseball contracts have changed

Heard the story today about how Andre Dawson gave the Cubs a blank contract in 1987 and told them to fill it in on how much they think he’s worth (he was an All-Star player mind you). They gave him something like $500,000 and he said ok. He went on to win the MVP that year. Stuff like this will never happen again.

Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon

by KYCards on Jan 8, 2010 3:26 AM EST up reply actions  

That was also before

most teams started opening Bureau of Engraving and Printing franchises in the front office… and before a certain agent’s tide rose all boats…

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 8, 2010 3:27 AM EST up reply actions  

didn't HL shoot down that rumor in the HOF thread?

i’ve heard that too & never believed it. no player, not even Stan The Man would ever be that gullible to let the team pay them what they think they are worth.

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 8, 2010 3:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Andre Dawson said this during one of his HOF Q&A's today

Talked about how he gave Dallas Green (Cubs GM at the time) 24 hours with a blank contract. Said he took a pretty big pay cut to go the Chicago. He was desperate to play on natural grass and wanted to stay in the NL.

Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon

by KYCards on Jan 8, 2010 3:45 AM EST up reply actions  

i'm still calling shenanigans

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 8, 2010 3:47 AM EST up reply actions  

EEEEEVIL shenanigans

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 8, 2010 3:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Not making this up

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-07-mitchell-andre-dawson-jan07,0,6989682.column

Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon

by KYCards on Jan 8, 2010 3:50 AM EST up reply actions  

i believe you, i just don't belive them

you’d never lie to me. you wouldn’t ky right? right???

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 8, 2010 3:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Or you could go to MLB.com

and watch one of the Dawson press confrences and he talks about in detail.

Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon

by KYCards on Jan 8, 2010 3:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Stan the Man negotiated a payCUT into one of his contracts

because he felt he wasn’t worth it.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 8, 2010 6:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Boras is turning over in his grave as we speak

wait what’s that???

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 8, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

undead bees.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 8, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

that's why

he’s not called matt “the man”

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Jan 8, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

A year ago I was thinking that they might not pony up the cash

but seeing that they gave so much to Holliday (which I think was to please Albert) I have a hard time thinking they won’t give him what he wants. Too much PR on the line not to. It may not happen this year but I believe they will get something done before 2012. There is no way DeWitt lets Albert walk. He will give Albert what he wants no doubt in my mind.

Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon

by KYCards on Jan 8, 2010 3:40 AM EST up reply actions  

i think DeWitt & CO will do everything they can to resign Albert

i just don’t believe Albert will do everything he can to stay with the Cardinals

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 8, 2010 3:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Eventually people cash in that lottery ticket...

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 8, 2010 3:50 AM EST up reply actions  

if i was him, i don't think i wouldn't do the same thing

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 8, 2010 3:53 AM EST up reply actions  

I've never really had a problem

with people getting their pay day. I know that’s what I’d do if I was in their shoes…

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 8, 2010 3:58 AM EST up reply actions  

One good thing is.....

Boras won’t be involved….that has to make Mo & DeWitt breathe easier. Not to mention all of us.

Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon

by KYCards on Jan 8, 2010 4:00 AM EST up reply actions  

It won't raise my ire

as much as if Boras was involved.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 8, 2010 4:04 AM EST up reply actions  

if he's going to leave, i would hope he stops saying he wants to say

that’s the one way i really respect Lego because he never gave us fans false hope. Albert’s done nothing but say he wants to stay & it’s up to the team. well it’s really not dude, they’ve done their part, now it’s up to you do keep your word.

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 8, 2010 4:06 AM EST up reply actions  

The team has to offer him a contract

so he has a bit of a point there…

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 8, 2010 4:08 AM EST up reply actions  

I also wonder how much tampering there has been

by the Yankees/Red Sox telling his agent that they have blank checks ready. You know this has happened.

Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon

by KYCards on Jan 8, 2010 4:11 AM EST up reply actions  

I wonder how fast

the Cardinals tampering case against those two teams would get thrown out…

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 8, 2010 4:13 AM EST up reply actions  

what tampering case?

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 8, 2010 4:18 AM EST up reply actions  

The hypothetical tampering KY spoke of...

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 8, 2010 4:21 AM EST up reply actions  

there is no tampering

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 8, 2010 4:31 AM EST up reply actions  

It was a bad attempt at a joke

I should really learn that if I’m going to be posting on here at this time of nite I should have a beer close by so I can bring the funny… like last nite… or at least in rb’s eyes I brought the funny…. okay rambling time for a nap…

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 8, 2010 4:39 AM EST up reply actions  

i was going for the "there is no spoon"

bit from the matrix

and i’ve got some jameson handy, so i have no good excuse

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 8, 2010 4:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah totally missed that...

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 8, 2010 4:49 AM EST up reply actions  

happens to the best of us

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 8, 2010 4:59 AM EST up reply actions  

i mean when they finally get to the point where they are talking numbers

the team won’t low ball him. so it’s up to him to decide if he really wants to stay or go

but if for some stupid reason DeWitt & CO low ball him, everything’s off & i’ll be in the front of the line to burn every thing down

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 8, 2010 4:11 AM EST up reply actions  

During the press conference today

Holliday seemed pretty sure Albert will be batting in front of him for the next 7 years. I wonder if DeWitt made a guarantee to him?

Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon

by KYCards on Jan 8, 2010 4:51 AM EST up reply actions  

i'm sure they told him what they've said publicly

“we’ll do every thing we can to make sure he retires a Cardinal”

but that only goes so far. when push comes to shove, it’s up to Albert whether or not he stays. i doubt DeWitt made any guarantee because he can’t. he can only guarantee he’ll offer Albert every penny, nickel, dime, quarter, half dollar, dollar, half billion dollars, ooey gooey butter cake, toasted edgaravoli, brownies & piez the Cardinals can afford to pay him. it’s up to Albert to decide if that’s really enough to keep him a Cardinal

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 8, 2010 5:06 AM EST up reply actions  

You seem rather passionate about this

Not saying I’m not concerned, but doesn’t seem to the level you are…

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 8, 2010 5:08 AM EST up reply actions  

eh, i'm more board & can't sleep than any thing

and hungry

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 8, 2010 5:11 AM EST up reply actions  

I think it's time for me

to go pass out in front of the TiVo… or maybe I’ll throw in Fight Club so I can have some really janky dreams tonite…

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 8, 2010 5:12 AM EST up reply actions  

And we'll probably not hear much about it

until the contract is finalized – after all, Boras is not his agent so the negotiations won’t be particularly public

by CRay on Jan 8, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

I might

We probably need to consider trading him. We could probably get some sick talent for him.

by Mulliganstew on Jan 8, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

If we deal Albert for prospects

Can we hire a guest GM and minor league coordinator just for that transaction? I really want to get that right, and Mo and Jeff haven’t been down the path enough.

I’d like the Devil Rays scouting & development department, please, and probably McPhail or Beane as guest GM. Then we can resume the normal programming.

by siddfynch on Jan 9, 2010 2:19 AM EST up reply actions  

I have to say.....

The Jet Song doesn’t quite flow as well this way:

When you’re a Yankees Contingent Member, you’re a Yankees Contingent Member all the way
From your first cigarette to your last dying day!

That’s just a rough poetic meter/rhythm to make work.

Nice work Dan.

by mtalken on Jan 8, 2010 8:26 AM EST reply actions  

Do the "True Yankee" members of the contingent wear admiral jackets or something?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 8, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Hate to be a spoil sport, DanUp

but wasn’t Holliday already a member of the ten-millionaire club?? – :)

by CRay on Jan 8, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Membership is granted immediately when one signs a long-term, post-arbitration contract with a year at $10 million or above

DanUp had that covered

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 8, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Isn't that cheating?

to make up your own rules like that??

by CRay on Jan 8, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the Yankee version

goes “When you’re a Yank, you’re a Yank all the way, from your first mouth of chew to your last dying day!”

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Jan 8, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions   3 recs

This. Was. Excellent.

I especially liked the West Side Story bit with the Yankees. And Albert’s impeccable English. Well done, Mr. UpBaby.

by cardsgirl95 on Jan 8, 2010 8:50 AM EST reply actions  

Honestly

This $10M Club is pure comedy gold.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

It could be made into an animated sitcom,

and I would watch every episode.

Imagine when the Ten-Millionaires go the “slums” of the cost-controlled players, or, to the Bus Leagues on rehab. The possibilities are absolutely endless.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 8, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

I can see this being made into a TV show easily

“White Shadow” style.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

oh mannnn there is no way I can catalog all the VEB tv shows

the Dave Duncan sitcoms alone are piling up

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 8, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

aannnndddd green

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 8, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Your username is a pretty fitting description

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 8, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

i have one question, does he want it all but just can't have it?

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 8, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

/exploding piano

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 9, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

ok, ok, I have to stop reading a sec.

A LOBSTER???

i had flashbacks. i may break out a frowny face.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 8, 2010 9:34 AM EST reply actions  

Dan's wit can be sublty acerbic at times.

Unless it was unintentional…

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jan 8, 2010 9:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Also

This post was pretty awesome, as usual.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jan 8, 2010 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

You should have just posted an arrow pointing at your screen name, lol.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I like the new sig

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 8, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

aaah some excellent comedy

i wonder if the team owners ever rent out the club for events. maybe they can invite boras and show him the staircase

by d-dee on Jan 8, 2010 10:08 AM EST reply actions  

Per Strauss

7.4M for 4 positions (IF, OF, RP, SP)

I’d spend league minimum on the first three (Gotay, Craig, Salas/Sanchez/Parise/Whomever) and spend the remaining ~$5M on whatever injury-upside starting pitcher we can snag.

The other option I’d consider is moving Ryan Ludwick and plugging in a cheaper option for RF to free up money. The club has to be pining for Descalso to develop as well so they can ditch Schumaker as his arb numbers rise.

Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation

by azruavatar on Jan 8, 2010 10:18 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

I would guess that's going to be closer to $10M all told

and they may not spend all of it in lieu of leaving some room at the deadline next year.

I just don’t see a scenario where payroll doesn’t go up to $110M or so the next 3-4 seasons.

Totally agree on Descalso though — he would be a nice, cheap, replacement for Skip with better defense.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I would not be at all surprised

to see them do exactly what you suggest, Az. I think there will be competition with ST invitees for the utility position(s), 4th OFer, and reliever (if they can’t get Springer or someone for a Diner/Miller type of deal). I hope Smoltz is the SP. We will not sign any FA to anything but a one-year deal, in my opinion, until after the Pujols extension talks wrap up (assuming they wrap up).

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 8, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

If I had to guess,

Craig is the new Speez.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 8, 2010 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

my guesses

IF goes to Gotay/T. Greene, as both ‘can’ play 2B/3B and Greene/Lugo will get time at SS.
OF goes to Craig/Jay (backup CF) and TLR will run Luddy/Ras/Lego out for 150+, with Skippy “available to help”.
RP/SP I see a “swing-man” signing an eventuality. Smoltz is my dream scenario, as he could start and close. Myers comes in a not-so-close second. A high-upside (Sheets/Bedard) is very unlikely in my opinion. If a ‘swinger’ is not pursued/available, then a Springer/Calero/Dotel type 8th inning/high leverage guy would be the backup plan, with Garcia/Boggs fighting for 5th SP.

I also could see TLR running a 12 pitcher roster most of the season (again).

Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!

by timmycardinals on Jan 8, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

I think we ran a 13 man pitcher roster last year

5 starters and 8 relievers

While the Cards may sign someone else, I think the uncertainty of their needs (third, relief, and fifth starter are all possibilities) may limit their pre-season signing to a bench guy (Church??). Then, with some payroll room, the Cards could take on some salary in June or July to fill wherever their greatest need is. By taking on a “salary dump” the Cards would not have to trade a high-level prospect.

by CRay on Jan 8, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

We did.

I had to change bloop pressure medications because of it.

by Mister Eff on Jan 8, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Whomever scares me

Way to close to Wellemeyer

Whomever
Wellemeyer

be right back, have to change my pants.

ok

IF – Jerry Hairson Jr. or Tyler Greene
OF -Reed Johnson
RP – Internal candidate / Bret Myers
SP – Bret Myers / Internal candidate / Erik Bedard

by jxmetal1 on Jan 8, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I see no way the Cards could be in on Bedard

unless he is absolutely cheap, they are not going to tie up budget on a guy who may not be ready til after the ASB

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 8, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd do something like what we did for Clement

for him. Garcia/Boggs/Walters in the first half with Bedard after the ASB.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

oh, without a doubt

If Bedard would agree to such a contract, get it done MO!

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 8, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd do no more than that though

and I’m optimistic that Ben Sheets would sign the same deal and he’s more likely to be ready to go at the start of the season.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

If they were considering Myers or Bedard...

I would much rather take the risk on Bedard. I dislike Brett Myers excessively.

by mynameistyler on Jan 8, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

The thing is

Myers solves a lot of issues (obviously he creates some as well). He can be in the closer carousel with Franklin, he can be a long man out of the bullpen, he can spot start, he can take a spot in the rotation. He’s really kind of a pitching everyman and he’s league average or better in all of those roles.

Considering that we have decent options for the fifth starter spot and we have a need for a RHRP that can close, I think Myers is a good target on a cheap one year deal.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

This has to be...

Skip’s last year with the team unless he learns to hit lefties a little better. As for Ludwick, seems like we’d be selling low.

Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word

by guayzimi on Jan 8, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

i’d really like to see what descalso has in september if he has a season in AAA like he had in AA last year

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Jan 8, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

If that's the case then,

would it be beneficial to sign Lopez to a 2 year deal? He could play some 3B and platoon with Skip at 2nd base, while giving us increased production from the 2 hole. If Descalso shows in AAA he can be the 2B of the future, then look to trade Schumaker next offseason, bring Descalso in to either start or possibly play a roll on the bench, and insert Lopez as the lead-off hitter for next season… just a thought.

by stxcardsfan on Jan 8, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

we already have lugo to platoon with skip

we just need him platooned with someone so his numbers are as beefed up as possible. a .300/.360 2B in his second arb year should net a solid return

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Jan 8, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm probably wrong

but I get the feeling skip has next to no trade value, personally.

I’m just not sure GMs (outside of the Sabeans of this world) trade prospects for marginal major league types anymore.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 8, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

maybe i'm wrong

i just see a 2B with a .360 OBP as pretty valuable

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Jan 8, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

maybe you're right

did you consider that?

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 8, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

of course!

i find it hard to consider the contrary

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Jan 8, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

He is quite valuable...

a 1.5-2 win 2nd baseman earning $2 million plus… The problem is 2011 when he’s earning $4 million plus. I suppose you tender him, but if he can’t play a third of the time, then he’s seems very borderline.

Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word

by guayzimi on Jan 8, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

What concerns me with Skip

is that he’s constantly better than league average in BABIP (career .332) and doesn’t take a ton of walks (BB%: 7.9% career; 8.9% in 2009 which was a career high). If has an unlucky couple of months with balls in play he’d be replacement level unless his defense improves to better than league average.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

If you look...

at his batted ball data you’ll see he hit it in the air less than 20% of the time last year. That right there has to account for his high babip. In fact, I think a .332 babip is kind of low for someone who only put the ball in the air 17.5% of the time. Ichiro put it in the air 17.9% of the time in 2004 and he had a babip of .404.

Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word

by guayzimi on Jan 8, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

He led the league in GB%

this is what I mean about unlucky though. Not all the ground balls he hits are going to find holes, and he could go two months and really, really struggle. Add that to the fact that he doesn’t have a lot of other offensive skills (no power, middling walk rate, etc.) it doesn’t take much to make him replacement level.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

improving his walk rate to, say, 11% would do wonders for this.

Look at how much better Chone Figgins is now that his walk rate is up? Minus the blazing speed, he and Skip are very similar players offensively.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't have the data to back this up...

but I suspect “ground balls not finding holes” is kind of what happened last year when he “only” babip-ed .332. Leading the league in GB% with a decent LD% should result in a higher babip.

I wish I had more time to look into this…

Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word

by guayzimi on Jan 8, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

As Flim points out though

putting a lot of balls in play in on the ground is going to lead to a lot of variance — i.e. he’s going to be a streaky hitter at getting on base unless his walk rate improves.

His LD% was nearly identical to 2008: 21.7% in ’08 and 21.7% in ’09. His ground balls increased about 2.5% while his fly balls decreased about 2.5%.

I don’t doubt he can keep up a high BABIP, I’m just saying that being THAT good with balls in play is going to lead to a bit of regression and unlucky stretches at times.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

That is a good point

He is very much a GB dominant player. He lead the league last year with 61% of balls in play that were ground balls. So a large part of his game is based upon his speed. He reminds me a lot of Luis Castillo.

by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 8, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I think as an OF he was pretty fungible and had no trade value

But as a 2B, he’s got a little. He may not have a ton of pop, but he gets on base some and has grit coming out of his ears.

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 8, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

you know the cubbies are interested

"Sorry about him, he's dealing with being an inker. " - Chasing Amy

by FutureMan on Jan 8, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

The thing about Floppy

Is that he’s coming off a really good year and signing people at the peak of their value scares me. 2009 isn’t the first time he had a spike in walk rate. Never has he sustained that increased walk rate into the next season.

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 8, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

my thoughts exactly

we would be paying top dollar for lopez after his last season and a half. i’m sure he is asking for more than teams are willing to pay. just think if boars was his agent. we would already be hearing 3/24 numbers thrown around.

"Sorry about him, he's dealing with being an inker. " - Chasing Amy

by FutureMan on Jan 8, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

but

boras is his agent

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Jan 8, 2010 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

really?

i did not know that.

"Sorry about him, he's dealing with being an inker. " - Chasing Amy

by FutureMan on Jan 8, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

pretty sure

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Jan 8, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

yep

see here

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Jan 8, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

not sure why we’d trade Ludwick

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 8, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

money

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Jan 8, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I could understand trading Ludwick if he can have another decent year.

It would free up some money for 2011 (probably atleast $7mil) with either DJ Tools or Craig cheaply filling the hole left. We could probably get some pitching prospects from a team looking to trade for and extend Luddy. Again, this is all only if Ludwick has a close to 2008 year this year.

by stxcardsfan on Jan 8, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

ah

so trade him after this year?

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 8, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I know many have suggested trading him this year, but I think we paid less for Holliday than what people initially thought we would.

Ludwick will make around $5.5 mil this year in arbitration, which is not too bad. I think you hold on to him this year at that price and you let his successors get a bit more seasoning. Next year, the $7+mil he’ll get in his last year of arbitration will be a little too steep. I’;d rather see a seasoned Craig or a near ready Jones step in at that point, and use the $7 mil to go towards an extention for Pujols or Molina or to help lock up Rasmus for awhile and avoid his arbitration years.

by stxcardsfan on Jan 8, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I totally agree

keep him one more season then trade him if possible… but then, wouldn’t other teams just try to take advantage of the situation?

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 8, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

possibly

that’s why this all depends on Luddy having another great year in 2010, so there will be a market for him. If he can again show he can give solid production, someone will trade for him looking to sign him to an extended contract of 3 or 4 years, which will be great for Luddy. It will be his last and only chance at a long term deal given his age.

by stxcardsfan on Jan 8, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

depending on how he performs this year

if he puts up another 2008 type season, you at least have to think long and hard about keeping him. Of course if he hits like he did in ‘08, this team probably wins the division by 20 freakin’ games.

I am so biased though, because I don’t know what I will do without the Ludwick meme.

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 8, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

With Holliday though,

I don’t see us ever trying to keep Luddy. I’d rather see the FO keep that money for contract extensions for the core guys, which Luddy no longer is. That money would best be suited for Molina, pitching, Rasmus, or Pujols.

by stxcardsfan on Jan 8, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

but now that I think about it, is he a FA after next season? If so, forget about keeping him, cuz you are correct

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 8, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

No

he’s Arb2 this year and Arb3 after next season — then he’s a FA after that.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Wouldn't he be?

If four is correct his post 2009 offseason is arb 2, post 2010 offseason is arb 3 post 2011 is FA

"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."

by StLHugo on Jan 8, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

that's right

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Jan 8, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, he is

after 2011:

2010: Arb2
2011: Arb3
2012: FA

So he’s with us for at least 2 more seasons unless we non-tender him.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

so yeah, if he had an awesome season

I’d want them to think about bringing him back for at least one year

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 8, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

alright I was getting all messed up there

my thoughts are, he’ll probably make $7mil+ in his last arbitration year. I’m think if we trade him before arbitration to another team looking to extend him, they’ll sign him to a long term contract bipassing his last year of arb and buying out his FA. I don’t think the Cards can or will ever sign him ever beyond arbitration, so I feel it is better to get something for him than just let him walk into FA. We’ll have guys that can cheaply and effectively replace him. Personally, I also think that that would be what would be best for Luddy, giving him the chance to sign a long term deal before he gets another year older and his value decreases more.

by stxcardsfan on Jan 8, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

i'd like to extend him

at an AAV of about 7 per. maybe like 6,7 and 8 for a three year deal. then if he has another above average season this year and craig looks competent, trade his ass

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Jan 8, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

The only problem with that is

how much will a deal like that interfere with resigning guys like Wainwright and Molina, and you also have Rasmus’ arbitration years begining to kick in. Both Pujols and Holliday will be a few years older, with Luddy being older than both of them. If you’ve got the 3 and 4 spots locked up, you may want to be working away from an aging Ludwick towards a younger, cheaper guy to fill the 5 hole. Also, who knows what our pitching situation will look like if we aren’t adequately able to bring up guys like Miller to help bolster the staff. We may need to drop some cash on pitching

by stxcardsfan on Jan 8, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

i say

we sign colby to a longoria-esque contract after or during this season

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Jan 8, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

On Colby

the Cards can wait a year or two to sign him to a long-term contract. Though I don’t think it will be a continuing problem, one has to wonder a little about his health, given that he has had problems the last few years. Don’t want to move too soon.

by CRay on Jan 8, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

the foot injury esp.

that one I don’t think was fakery.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 8, 2010 8:49 PM EST up reply actions  

get Shannon to help negotiate...

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 8, 2010 8:48 PM EST up reply actions  

and yadi and adam

are both signed beyond a three year luddy deal

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Jan 8, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Not only Ludwick

will have to be traded or let go with free agency, but it is likely Skip and perhaps others will also – these are the consequences of signing Holliday – the farm system must produce low cost acceptable replacements

by CRay on Jan 8, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

it would be nice to have this outfield for a while too… but we either need to trade Luddy or DJ or JJ or both

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 8, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

strauss

i think its just another strauss dig at the minors assuming that freese can’t handle 3B.

"Sorry about him, he's dealing with being an inker. " - Chasing Amy

by FutureMan on Jan 8, 2010 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

he's not the only one who has doubts about freeze

the team isn’t happy about his dui

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 8, 2010 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

DWI*

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 8, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

is there a difference?

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 8, 2010 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Somewhat...

A DWI only means you’re driving with a BAC above the legal limit. A DUI can be driving under the influence of anything, usually some type of drug or narcotic.

by mynameistyler on Jan 8, 2010 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Not much

Just nitpicking. DWI is alcohol-only. DUI is anything.

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 8, 2010 6:19 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm beginning to think

that DWIs are specific to missouri. most people i talk to don’t know what a dwi is. and tony got a dui for driving drunk in florida. and since it is true in florida and texas, i am pretty sure it is true everywhere but missouri. logic!

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Jan 8, 2010 6:29 PM EST up reply actions  

In MT it is a DUI.....

no DWI’s at all. I think you hit it, in that it’s a state issue, and largely semantics.

* is an Asshat

by RiverRat on Jan 8, 2010 6:32 PM EST up reply actions  

DWI

Oklahoma has both DWI’s and DUI’s as well.

by WizardofOz1982 on Jan 8, 2010 7:57 PM EST up reply actions  

They put an orange slice on my Orange Slice!

Man, I’d be OK with Lohse’s contract if he could be that amusing during games.

by enoscountry on Jan 8, 2010 10:31 AM EST reply actions  

he did convince Luddy that a rally mohawk exists

I wouldn’t, though.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 8, 2010 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

orange slice

is the most under-rated soda on earth.

Future Redbirds! www.futureredbirds.net
Rams Gab! www.ramsgab.com

by jroman on Jan 8, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

you go girl

(they still say that, right? eff, I’m old)

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 8, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah... not so much.

but it’s the thought that counts!

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Jan 8, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

VEB is breaking out the literary talent today!

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 8, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

haha brilliant.

and rec’d.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Jan 8, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

these just keep getting better & better

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 8, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

i took advantage of this

unfortunately picked up paranormal activity. . . very underwhelming IMHO

Thanks anyway, at least it was free!

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Jan 8, 2010 11:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Since I can't comment in that thread

RB, the voting isn’t entirely confidential. If you click on a username, you can see how they voted (if they’ve voted). I understand that’s quite a chore and nobody probably wants to do that, but just pointing out that you can see how people voted.

(Please stay, RB!!!!)

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 8, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

not if you vote

when you’re not logged in.

* is an Asshat

by RiverRat on Jan 8, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

True

But I’m not going to log out to vote. Most people probably aren’t either.

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 8, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I read his stuff at RFT too

I do think a lot of people get PO’d because it takes him so long to get a post up during the day, but we should take advantage of that and put up really good FanPosts on Wednesday morning so that people who are looking for something to read can comment and chat there.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I voted "Stay"

and I don’t care who knows it.

Losing the playlists, the draft previews, and the RB chats would be a crying shame, and I’m still waiting for an update on the virtual baseball competition. You know, the one where he takes his brother to what he thinks is a “virtual” batting cage, then puts one right between his numbers….you don’t show up the red baron, even if you’re related.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

the thing with RB is

you never know what type of post you’re going to get. dude’s got skillz

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 8, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

i knocked it down a bit

more like 16% and falling

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Jan 8, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

It made me sick to see that fanpost ...

sick that some discourteous, ungracious, entitled, arrogant people would even plant seeds of doubt in RB’s mind as to his worthiness to be here, or whether he is welcome. RB, your post didn’t have comments, so I hope you catch this: Your weekly post has always been one of the highlights of this site for me, maybe the highlight. I used to work an excruciatingly boring office job, and it sounds pathetic, but your post always helped me get through the week. Every Wednesday, I would go out and get some good coffee instead of the crappy office stuff, make up some excuse as to why I was busy, and settle down to read your post uninterrupted. It gave me something to look forward to, and usually something to think about once I’d read it. I would seriously question my loyalty to this site if you let a few idiotic posters force you out, or even cause you to change how you write. You’re an invaluable asset to this site.

by mattyp on Jan 8, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Off the island!

No, he seems like a decent guy.

What sins has he actually committed? I haven’t been following this too closely. As far as I can tell he used the word fuck on the front page, he writes really long-winded posts at times, and he sometimes overshares.

Did he do something other than this?

Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word

by guayzimi on Jan 8, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

what makes me even sicker

is that a country that claims freedom of speech as one of their fundamentals is the same country where ppl bitch the most when someone exercises that right.

stay. whatever the outcome of the poll. you don’t have to answer to anyone about the way you choose to express yourself. your name is at the top of each of your posts, it’s easy to skip articles from contributors one doesn’t like. we’re all adults here, some ppl should start behaving that way too

by d-dee on Jan 8, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

civics

it’s “freedom of speech” vis a vis the government. nothing having to do with this blog has anything to do with the 1st Amendment.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Jan 8, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

I voted stay as well, as I like the posts from all the main page writers (although I will admit, while it doesn’t bother me enough to cause a stir, I do find it bizarre to see swear words on the main page).

RB is a good writer and if music suggestions is the biggest problem on this blog, then we’re blessed to have such a great community.

However, despite all of this, it annoys me when people totally misinterpret was things like “Freedom of Speech” mean. All that means is that, outside libel and public endangerment, the government cannot infringe upon your freedom of speech. If Dan, as the main moderator and writer for the blog wants to get rid of RB or anyone else, he’s perfectly within his rights (unless of course, he goes about it by getting elected to Congress and by passing a law to that effect.)

by mtalken on Jan 8, 2010 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd vote for him, just for the record

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 8, 2010 6:20 PM EST up reply actions  

ineligible for a couple years, yet.

gotta be 25 to be a rep.

and i’m not sure i’d like to see dan wade into the muck of Illinois politics.

My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits

by tom s. on Jan 8, 2010 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

they need more scandal

and debauchery. wait. what does ‘more’ mean?

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Jan 8, 2010 6:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Pfft, technicalities

Imagine a bill written by Dan. That would be the most fun bill to read ever.

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 8, 2010 6:29 PM EST up reply actions  

i hope

it’s all written in either pujolsish or 19th baseball playerish.

soeaking of which, let’s get some 19th century base ball player speak in the next play, dan. love that stuff

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Jan 8, 2010 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

a farm bill in three acts

CAST OF CHARACTERS:

ROGER – 57-year old widower and soybean farmer, conflicted about his life on a small farm in central Iowa, disappointed that his two children have chosen to move to Omaha and Denver and neglect the farming life
DIANE – 39-year-old organic carrot farmer in California raising two children and worried about the cost of transporting her crops to markets around the country
PATRICK – a 29-year-old stepfather of two purchasing his weekly groceries in a Kroger in suburban Minneapolis
ROSARITA – migrant lettuce picker from Chupacabras state in Mexico
GHOST OF PHILLIP KENDRICK – spectral vision of a former vice president at ConAgra; condemned to haunt produce sections of supermarkets for eternity unless the american ideal of the family farm can be reclaimed and tasty, cheap, nutritious produce made available to every american consumer

 

My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits

by tom s. on Jan 8, 2010 6:40 PM EST up reply actions   4 recs

Rec'd

Not entirely because of, but due in no small part to, “Chupacabras.”

by siddfynch on Jan 9, 2010 2:31 AM EST up reply actions  

it's really getting annoying

this airing of grievances with one another has gone on long enough. everyone needs to unclench already. enough is enough

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 8, 2010 5:21 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

i thought about posting my festivus pole & saying it was over

but i decided against it

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 8, 2010 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe when pitchers and catchers report,

and there is actual baseball to talk about. Maybe.

* is an Asshat

by RiverRat on Jan 8, 2010 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

i hope it dies today, i'm really sick of it & have had enough

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 8, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

was there any doubt

that it was going to be a resounding “stay”?

i like you and your writing, but it does seem a bit of an ego stroke

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Jan 8, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I like the variation

Especially with the new mods, each writer has there own style and brings something different. I don’t want all the posts like RB’s but but I enjoy them for what the are.

by I miss Jack Buck on Jan 8, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

they's good

especially during the season. draft preview is something this community needn’t lose

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Jan 8, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes

I mean, you can only rosterbate so many times during the week.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

the thing with RB

is it could be more stat related, it could have nothing to do with stats, it could be about the minor league system, or it could be something new we haven’t seen yet on here. plus he only posts once a week so if you don’t like what he does, just don’t read on wednesdays (it’s not like anyone is paying for this)

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 8, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

for you no

but the rest of us have to wait for results

by ubeddie on Jan 8, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

man

if he doesn’t stay… that would really suck

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 8, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd like to request everyone in this subthread

stop for one second and think about why the comments are closed in that fanpost.

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on Jan 8, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions   3 recs

i think we can discuss it if we want to

it’s kind of silly to expect us not to

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Jan 8, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with the latter part

but I didn’t make the fanpost or close the comments.

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on Jan 8, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree.

He asked us not to talk about it so let’s not. The poll is speaking for itself at the moment.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 8, 2010 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

It’s just going to become more of a big fucking deal if people start discussing it ad naseum. It’s pretty clear the community resoundingly wants him to stay. End of story, let’s move on. And if anyone wants to know how I voted, they can check my profile.

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 8, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

That I understand

For one thing, the FanPost would become a huge bitch session, but I think it’s worth taking note how the results are working out, and I’m not sure the exercise was all the necessary to begin with, to be honest with you.

Hell, there have been people who’ve had problems with you, chuckb, and even Larry, which is kind of a shocker, but not everyone is going to get along all the time and people need to use their freedom of choice to decide whether to read a post or not. it’s not like the titles of the posts are misleading in any way.

Every 12 months or so we have a “return to sanity” moment where the community guidelines are refreshed and we discuss them. I think that’s all this is.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

No doubt

I don’t think the post was actually necessary at all in the first place — you could kinda predict how it was going to turn out. I really haven’t seen that much displeasure voiced about any of the mods here like i’ve seen at other blogs that are out there.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

+1

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Jan 8, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

This seems unreasonable to me...

There’s a referendum on one of the front page posters, who many people here really like. Why shouldn’t they talk about it?

Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word

by guayzimi on Jan 8, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd be done

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 8, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

the door would be hitting me in the rear as well

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 8, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

We should rank...

commenters then relegate like in the premier league. Those that are relegated would have to go to bcb to generally troll around and annoy – then after two weeks they could come back. If they failed at bcb, they’d be sent to stl forums to spend the remainder of their days driving Bernie up the wall.

Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word

by guayzimi on Jan 8, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

No offense, but

[insert really offensive comment here, to be overlooked by explicit disclaimer]

Free Melodi Dushane

by all4tookie on Jan 8, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

that you have!

I made up a stat, fwiw. I think it’s cool that VEB has sort of a native stat, even though it wasn’t perfect (working on the better version last night and tonight)

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 8, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

OAR is awesome

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 8, 2010 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

OAR will be back, new and improved

well, it’s not going to be that much different, but improved I hope. hopefully VEP can run that accuracy check on it again

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 8, 2010 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

sweet, can't wait

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 8, 2010 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah sure

Even better, give me the formula and I can run it for individual players to see how 2008 OAR predicts 2009 OAR. I’ll compare it to wOBA and other metrics. That’s the real test of accuracy.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 8, 2010 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

well

problem with that is 2008 OAR is slightly different formula, 2009 should be more accurate. it is going to take a couple of years to nail this down. that’s how I roll

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 8, 2010 9:41 PM EST up reply actions  

btw

what was that process called where you tested it to see if it matches up with wins?

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 8, 2010 9:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Regression

Send me the 2009 formula though if you want to see an accuracy testing! I can calculate the actual numbers myself.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 8, 2010 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

well

I just don’t want other people to see the formula. I don’t have any logical excuse, I just don’t want to send it out

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 8, 2010 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

f'n Best Buy

So, as some of you know, I am having laptop troubles once again (sister in law dropped it on the DC port with the AC plugged in). I had some great suggestions on places to take it in the stl area. Problem is, I’m down around Springfield so those weren’t an option. I spent a day looking for someone in Springfield who could repair my DC jack and found nobody so I took it to Best Buy. Geek squad took it, did nothing with it in the store, and shipped it out to their central location somewhere in Kentucky. After waiting a week for it to get there, I get a voice mail this morning saying that it is working fine with their equipment and my AC adapter is the problem and they can replace it for $37. I called back and told them that was fine, but the AC adapter they are replacing is literally brand new. I know I’m going to get it back in a week and the problem isn’t going to be fixed and I am going to be royally pissed. The thing that pisses me off even more is, they could’ve checked the adapter in the store but didn’t do anything at all and just shipped it out. If this is the solution, there was absolutely no reason for them to have to ship it out.

To top it all off, I leave for Hot Springs on Sunday and I’m going to be gone for 9 weeks. I just found out 2 days ago that the housing I’m going to be living in isn’t set up for internet in any way, shape, or form. So, I’m going to be without internet or satellite/cable the whole damn time.

Thanks for letting me vent.

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Jan 8, 2010 2:23 PM EST reply actions  

No mobile broadband either?

I’d go check with Verizon and see if they have mobile broad band there — I don’t think it requires a contract at the present time anyway. Sure, it’s a little more expensive, and you won’t be able to stream multiple porn movies at the same time (I know, I know, huge bummer), but at least it’s something.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

If you can't do that,

what the hell is the good for Fourstick? What I ask you?

* is an Asshat

by RiverRat on Jan 8, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

It just means downloading a couple that you like

then playing them while streaming another one…..or there’s always DVD’s….

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

what you need to do

is wait for them to repair it and when it comes back and what you brought it in for is still not working, pick the busiest time of day to go back to the store and make a huge scene. i’ve been told my BestBuy employees that that’s the best way to quickly get your money back and the repair you need for free. if they choose to be incompetent assholes at your expense, you need to make them pay for it.

i’ve had dealings with BestBuy, they lost a laptop somewhere between them and UPS and it took a year and a half to get the money back from that claim. the only reason it took so long was because i was overseas the whole time. i have no doubt in my mind it would have taken 5 minutes of me yelling in the store to walk out with a check

by d-dee on Jan 8, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

sounds good to me

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Jan 8, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

i worked at the late, great Circuit City

and I concur. Just don’t expect to be loved the next time (if ever) you go back in there…

R.P.O.F.Y.M.

by BVHeck on Jan 8, 2010 10:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure

you could have taken it to any TV repairman and had the part resoldered and back to you in an afternoon.

Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.

by liam on Jan 8, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

thanks for that

kick in the nuts. All the computer stores suggested just getting a new laptop

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Jan 8, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

geek squad is a team of salesmen, not a team of techs

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Jan 8, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

now that i think of it, you're right

here’s their in-store ppl qualifications for the job:

Basic Qualifications
    * • 2-year Associate degree in business management and/or technical area
    * • 2 – 3 years of supervisory or management experience in a retail environment
Preferred Qualifications
    * • Two years of sales experience
    * • MECP, MSCE or A+ Certification

looks pretty sales oriented, no wonder they’re worthless

by d-dee on Jan 8, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Over/Under of 1

on the number of Geek Squad members any any particular store with an MECP or MCSE.

I’ll take the under.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Over/Under of 1

on the number of VEB’ers who are Geek Squad members and are now very ticked off.

I’ll take the over

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 8, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not ragging on Geek Squad people at all

just saying that it’s expensive to get MECP or MCSE qualified and Best Buy doesn’t pay much for those type of technicians.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Considering that every hardware issue I've dealt with them about

gets sent off to their distribution center and most software problems are also shipped out, I don’t even know why you would make this a qualification. A+ I can see, and N+ too, but MCSE? You’re not setting up small business networks are you?

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

so i'm guessing the real in-store geek squad qualifications are

- politeness
- ability to iron a shirt and pants to appear professional
- ability to put stuff in boxes and stick shipping labels on said boxes
- be worthless otherwise

no wonder i didn’t get the job

by d-dee on Jan 8, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

though not a requirement,

the ability to install secret bathroom cams seems to give your app a boost

by mattyp on Jan 8, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't actually think you were ragging

I just figured odds are that some VEB’ers are GS members.

As for the rest of this sub-thread, it’s all geek to me

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 8, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

i'd bet good money there's a chuck or two here

there’s probably a few jeff, lester & morgan’s too

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 8, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

maybe i could just read the rest of the thread

but chuckb is gonna write for veb again?

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Jan 8, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

sunday night, 2 full hours baby!

then monday it’s back at 8pm. it’s the only show on NBC i watch

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 8, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

My sister's boyfriend

used to be a Geek Squad guy and left (partly) because he was sick of what you just said right there.

by stlfan on Jan 8, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

i did

took it around town and all they wanted to tell me was ‘buy a new one’

"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum

by scoot on Jan 8, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh man, that's hilarious.

Your cord’s broken, you say? Might as well replace the whole unit.

That’s some kind of sales corollary to the adage about when your only tool is a hammer that all problems look like nails.

Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.

by liam on Jan 8, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

If your only education is a business degree,

all problems look like sales opportunities?

"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus

by hazel on Jan 8, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

correct

They just do sales at the geek squad and ship it off somewhere else to do the work.

by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 8, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

are you serios?

a new laptop? geez
a while back i put in an application for the geek squad so i can do sth while i was looking for a real job. i have a pretty good resume, lots of experience, eduacation etc. they turned me down. i guess i was overqualified?

by d-dee on Jan 8, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

So I love working with Cardinals fans....but....

Sometimes my boss just makes me do a “what did you say” double take. He was just having a discussion about why Holliday isn’t good because he took a nut shot fly ball yet Ankiel is good since he only got bad after running into the wall. I don’t think he was saying that Ankiel is “better” but it sure sounded like that.

"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."

by StLHugo on Jan 8, 2010 3:03 PM EST reply actions  

that's why

i love working with astros fan. that way i can laugh and not have my face permanently in my palm

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Jan 8, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

OT: Cardinals Tattoos

Does anyone have one? I’m thinking about getting this on my upper thigh (except obviously smaller):

Just wondering if anyone who has one (or doesn’t) has thoughts about getting a tattoo of a sports team. My friends generally think its a bad idea, but I have two thoughts on this: (1) I can’t imagine any time in my life when I will not be a huge STL fan. It’s done, this is my fate; and (2) I can’t see the Cardinals ever leaving STL and even if they did, the tattoo would still represent a million wonderful memories.

Just curious if anyone has thought this through.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Jan 8, 2010 3:13 PM EST reply actions  

does she have a reason?

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Jan 8, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

She thinks it's trashy.

I disagreed at first, but there is evidence supporting her case.

by Mister Eff on Jan 8, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

those are less than awesome.

mine would be about the size of a quarter.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Jan 8, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

being the size of a quarter i don't think you can go wrong

"Sorry about him, he's dealing with being an inker. " - Chasing Amy

by FutureMan on Jan 8, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with this.

Small and relatively concealed is tough to argue with. Now, if you were getting the Chinese symbol for “Cardinal” or something on the small of your back, that might be different…

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 8, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

cardinals are only found in the Americas.

the internet tells me there is no word for it in any of the chinese dialects, though of course a native speaker can confirm/deny that.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 8, 2010 8:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Different languages are always tricky.

You have to be sure you know it says what you think it does.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 8, 2010 9:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

This is mine

I met a guy in Auburn who showed me his Cardinals tattoo when he saw my St. Louis hat. It was the STL logo underneath the arch, on his upper arm.

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 8, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow, jd.

On the calf. I’m impressed.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 8, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

personally I wouldn't get a tattoo of it but

don’t let me stop yaz

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 8, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm Hoping This Guy Posts Here...

but I don’t know if he knows how to use a computer.

by mynameistyler on Jan 8, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Whoa.

That is one roided out bird.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Jan 8, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

is that mcgwire?

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 8, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

that's what i thought when i saw it honestly

"Sorry about him, he's dealing with being an inker. " - Chasing Amy

by FutureMan on Jan 8, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

me too.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Jan 8, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I actually thought that it was an awesome tattoo

and he was an awesome, hardcore fan….until I saw the armband tattoos

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 8, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

I’ve had that picture (the original, not the tattoo) since the beginning of avatars. Love the picture.

The tattoo, not so much. THough you have to admire his dedication.

it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie

by SleepyCA on Jan 9, 2010 3:19 AM EST up reply actions  

sports teams, bands, etc

are a no no for me

really, i’m just not a tattoo person

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Jan 8, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

I just like to get abstract stuff done. plus I have a friend who does it for free, so I don’t have to pay for them

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 8, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

All my tattoos are of shadows

to make me look muscular.

Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.

by liam on Jan 8, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

ha!

good one Liam!

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 8, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Same here.

I’ve only considered two tattoos in my entire life.

A) A Samuel Smith’s Oatmeal Stout label the underside of my forearm.
B) A portrait of Bill Murray circa-Groundhog Day covering my entire back.

…reason and fear suggested that I may regret one or both of these and I decided against them.

by mynameistyler on Jan 8, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Bands are a HUGE no no

An old roommate of my was very close to getting an Aerosmith tattoo right before their craptastic Super Bowl suckfest with Spears and NStink. Looking back on it 9 years later, i wish that dbag did get that tattoo.

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 8, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

haha

i would laugh for a week if i saw someone with an aerosmith tattoo

then just when i stop laughing i would think of it again and laugh for the rest of eternity. laughing in my grave. laughing after the entire solar system has been sucked into the black hole that used to be the sun and smashed into a tiny amount of anti matter

just. laughing

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Jan 8, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

It wouldve been a huge one too...

of the bands logo across his back. He ended up getting a really bad looking spiderman instead. Five years later, the guy decides to tattoo the name of some chick that he’d dated for a month (on his ass of all places). We all tried to talk him out of it, but he wouldn’t listen. Two months later he’s trying to think of reasons to tell other women why ‘Jessica’ is tattooed on his ass. Now he has a black rectangle covering up the name, lmao.

I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!

by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 8, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I've got a celtic cross on my right bicep

the only other tattoo I’ve seriously considered getting is the Grateful Dead Steal your face skull on my other shoulder. I may still do that.

by Mister Eff on Jan 8, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't do it

but then I don’t have any tattoos and don’t plan on getting any. I just think it kinda takes the fan thing just a little to far, but that’s strictly my opinion.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't have any tattoos yet.

I just sort of feel like I want one, and I can’t imagine what else I would get. I guess for me, its either this or nothing. Maybe nothing is better.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Jan 8, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I think a FredBird one

would look better to be honest. Or even the cap STL would look good. I just don’t like the pic you posted.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm not too hot on that logo either

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Jan 8, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Interesting.

I like it because it’s only on the Sunday home game caps, and you rarely see it without the “Cardinals” underneath.

But I bet a simple STL would be cheaper and quicker.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Jan 8, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

for a girl

i find a max 2 inches, red with black outline stl logo on the inside of the wrist very understated and nice
just my .02

by d-dee on Jan 8, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you might be right about this.

I’m becoming more open to the STL logo instead. I like the location suggestion, but inside the wrist would not work for my profession. unless I wanted to wear long sleeves all the time. In Arizona.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Jan 8, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm an attorney.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Jan 8, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I was hoping you were going to say watch saleswoman or hand model or something

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 8, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Become an agent

Problem solved. Scott Boras wears jeans to work.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

you have no idea how bad I want to be an agent.

I’ve been told many times I basically have no chance.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Jan 8, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

if there is one thing you should have learned from here

is that you don’t let anyone tell you what to do, oh no, you don’t let them tell you what to do!

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 8, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

All you need is one good client to get your name out there

how do you think Boras got started in the first place?

I would also guess that the entry level is now lower as more leagues go to rookie salary structures. If you can get a number of good clients, some firm would come calling I would guess.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I suppose.

I want to be a baseball agent, though, not just any agent. I mean I don’t want to be the agent for some LPGA-type. I’ve been told by agents that my gender is prohibitive when it comes to baseball

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Jan 8, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Thing is

the LPGA type would probably net you more commissions, lol. The endorsement contracts for baseball players are not very good.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

bull

being a woman and having one of the better jobs in baseball are not mutually exclusive. all you have to do is get your foot in the door and when you do, seize the opportunity. maybe try to have an agent take you under his wing. a male/female tandem like that could be very successful since the tone of negotiations drastically changes with a woman in the room – regardless of what type of business.

the agents that told you your gender was prohibitive should have had a glowing cheek right after that

by d-dee on Jan 8, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

well, they were just being honest.

they weren’t saying they didn’t think I was capable of doing the job or that women in general can’t be agents. but the industry is what it is. I asked them not to sugarcoat it, and they said without any serious connections, my chances were not good.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Jan 8, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

we expect you to be Boog's agent by the time he hits FA

get on it!!

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 8, 2010 8:59 PM EST up reply actions  

there would be no "what does his gf/wife want" intrigue

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 8, 2010 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Might be best...

to get it where you can hide it with ease.

by mynameistyler on Jan 8, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Stomach lining

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 8, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

mostly employment law.

but I’ve only been at this for a year and a half. still wet behind the ears.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Jan 8, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm gonna need your name and number

just in case
what states are you licensed in?

by d-dee on Jan 8, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

you can never go wrong with Sluggerbird

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 8, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha, I didn't know that bird had a name.

Now that I know he’s called sluggerbird, I kind of want it more.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Jan 8, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I have that tatttoo

but I can’t post a picture of it in VEB

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 8, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

what?

you perv. why do you auto-assume it’s somewhere.. that’s the word.. naughty?

by d-dee on Jan 8, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah but female pervs are awesome

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 8, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

it's on my face

Yes, my entire face is covered with a Sluggerbird tattoo.

I sometimes wonder if it was the right decision to make.

I always decide that it was.

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 8, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Better yet

Get the CheBird from the VEB shirts…

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe nothing is better.

bingo.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Jan 8, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

haha

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 8, 2010 9:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Before you get a tattoo

Make sure you are 100% about it. I’ve had mine for six years (no, it’s not the STL one I posted earlier, just seeing if anyone would bite), and I still like it. But I’ve had tons of friends do it and get tattoo regret. It’s pretty much permanent (I guess you can get it removed, if you want to) so you have to be sold on the idea. If you do decide to get that picture as a tattoo, though, please get the red background too :P

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 8, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

My husband has 8 or 9 tattoos.

He hates all of them but one, and even that one he’s not thrilled with.

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Jan 8, 2010 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

like JD said make 100% sure you want this

i’d love to get some ink but then i remember it hurts & i don’t like pain. and everyone now has some, it used to be that only a certain few had some ink. now every tom dick & sally has at least some kind of ink. to me it’s just not cool anymore & more of a sign of conformity than a sign of individuality like it used to be.

and if you do get one, i suggest you get it as small as you can & on a place where no one can see it. you’re a lawyer so i wouldn’t get it on your leg, ankle or arms. also avoid the tramp stamp, it’s just not cool anymore & gives out a vibe you probably don’t want to be giving out. i find the smaller the ink on a girl & the less visible it is, the better. again this is just one basement dwelling loser who’s afraid to talk to women view point, so take it for what it’s worth.

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 8, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Also

If you’re really into tattoos, don’t do this

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 8, 2010 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

i appreciate the advice

from you and from everyone. if i get something, it will be the size of a quarter and on my upper thigh, probably just below my swimsuit line.

i know that a lot of people have them now, and i agree about the conformity thing. for me, the symbol isn’t just about the cardinals. i grew up in STL and had to move right when I started high school to a terrible state with no baseball. i only lived in STL for 6 years, but they were my formative years and i had a great childhood. huge backyard with no fence and my dad would mow a baseball diamond into the grass every summer and we’d have baseball games with the whole neighborhood. it was an awesome experience and i absolutely loved STL. cardinals games, six flags, living on a cul-de-sac with neighborhood BBQs…my family was never as happy as we were for those handful of years. and its something that now I can never get back.

so for me this tattoo would be a symbol of some idealistic time in my life before everything got all shitty. and its also a reminder that with all i’ve been through, the cardinals have always remained a constant. no matter what’s going on in my life, watching a good baseball game will always make things better.

wow, that’s a lot. you don’t have to read it, gdm. anyway, yeah. i’m leaning toward getting this puppy. i’ll post a picture if it ever happens.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Jan 8, 2010 6:34 PM EST up reply actions   4 recs

I've always felt this is the key with ink....

and full disclosure, I have none. But if you do it, it has to be for you. Not to fit in or be cool, but because it’s you. With what you just wrote, IHB, I’d probably have done it already.

* is an Asshat

by RiverRat on Jan 8, 2010 6:37 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I thought you were saying you were leaning towards also getting a puppy.

To which my response was ABSOLUTELY YES!

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 8, 2010 6:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I will post a pic for you later this evening......

my Lab loves the snow. Comes in the house and he is covered in it.

* is an Asshat

by RiverRat on Jan 8, 2010 6:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Awwwwwww...

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 8, 2010 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Creepy!

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Jan 8, 2010 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

just make sure it's not in the basement

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 8, 2010 8:53 PM EST up reply actions  

It?

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Jan 8, 2010 9:00 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm not assuming that's a real dog...

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 8, 2010 9:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Is that your dog?

You may want to do something about his coke habit if so

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 8, 2010 6:47 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

you all couldn't stop laughing if i posted a pic of my dads dog that now thinks she's mine

she’s an 8lb black & white jack russell terrier. or as my little bro affectionately refers to her as, my purse rat.

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 9, 2010 1:50 AM EST up reply actions  

No....they are jerks....

cute jerks, but jerks none the less.

* is an Asshat

by RiverRat on Jan 8, 2010 6:38 PM EST up reply actions  

They are not.

They are adorable.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 8, 2010 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

That was awesome

I would rec it infinity times if I could

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 8, 2010 6:46 PM EST up reply actions  

wow, i'm so jealous of you IHB

get that ink & wear it with pride. you should with that story.

and of course i read it all, it wasn’t long at all

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 9, 2010 1:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I like the 80s Cardinal better

better yet, spants’ avatar.

I don’t like that one for a tat unless it’s a giant eye like VEB

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 8, 2010 8:53 PM EST up reply actions  

you know spants, it really would

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 9, 2010 1:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Cardinals logos

http://www.sportslogos.net/team.php?id=72


I didn’t know they used it for that long. in which case, definitely that – maybe without the background. that was my redbird, growing up.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 8, 2010 9:06 PM EST up reply actions  

the cardinal in that logo is a badass

definitely the best cards logo

"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~

by YesWeOquendo on Jan 8, 2010 9:32 PM EST up reply actions  

even without the background?

granted, I don’t know much about tats

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 8, 2010 10:10 PM EST up reply actions  

oooh thats nice by itself

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Jan 8, 2010 10:14 PM EST up reply actions  

sans bat, there's no possible way to confuse it with

http://www.sportslogos.net/team.php?id=177
or
http://www.sportslogos.net/team.php?id=734

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 8, 2010 10:22 PM EST up reply actions  

leave the

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Jan 8, 2010 10:30 PM EST up reply actions  

if she leaves that, she has to add the

® & © too

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 9, 2010 1:51 AM EST up reply actions  

i like that

even less than the sunday cap logo

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by prophetjohn on Jan 8, 2010 10:31 PM EST up reply actions  

well I am quite relieved that Mo said that Freese is going to get a shot at 3B

was worried we’d sign Tejada, the dude can’t take a walk and he is too old. we have too many possibilities in our own system that could man the hot corner. if none of them work out, mid season trades are always a possibility. might as well use what’s left to bolster the pitching, whether it’s the 5th starter or the bullpen both could use some help

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 8, 2010 3:14 PM EST reply actions  

freese's offensive projection = tejada's offensive projection

My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits

by tom s. on Jan 8, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

ahahahahahahahaha!

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 8, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Tejada sucks

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 8, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

absolutely

I think he is the most overrated player in the game, what did you think the maniacal laughter was for?

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 8, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Did you just converse with yourself?

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 8, 2010 7:20 PM EST up reply actions  

hahaha

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by prophetjohn on Jan 8, 2010 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

what's so funny, asshole?

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by prophetjohn on Jan 8, 2010 7:25 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

see below

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 8, 2010 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

it's true...

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by prophetjohn on Jan 8, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I totally believe it

Tejada has walked like 20-25 in the last TWO SEASONS

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 8, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

oh

you’re just laughing at tejada

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Jan 8, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

reply fail

see above

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 8, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

24 walks in '08

actually, 19 walks in ’09, holy shit

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 8, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

just to back that up

freese/tejada wOBA projections by CHONE
.340/.335

My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits

by tom s. on Jan 8, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

i love the "uncalled for" comment by lohse

priceless

"Sorry about him, he's dealing with being an inker. " - Chasing Amy

by FutureMan on Jan 8, 2010 3:16 PM EST reply actions  

there are reports he is trying to still make a comeback.

I saw an article the other day where someone was predicting that the A’s may be his best suitor, but I’m not sure the A’s are truly interested. I don’t have a link for it. I bet he’ll get at least a minor league deal with a non roster invite from some team with questions in their IF

by stxcardsfan on Jan 8, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

i hope he takes a year off

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 8, 2010 9:07 PM EST up reply actions  

The next transaction for MO

IMHO, should be nailing down 3rd base with Ryan Zimmerman by trading Kyle Loshe straight up for arguably the best young 3rd baseman playing in MLB today. I don’t have a handle on their exact contract numbers but believe they are similar and the Nats are crying for starting pitching. If I am right this would be a wash toward the cards annual salary base, then go after an affordable starting pitcher.

by cardsfanatic on Jan 8, 2010 3:20 PM EST reply actions  

good luck with that

well, this is probably dripping with sarcasm, right?

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 8, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't see this happening.

No matter how much the Nats need pitching I don’t see them giving up Zimmerman.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 8, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

...wait...

this guy’s being serious?

by mynameistyler on Jan 8, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know.

I coudn’t detect anything otherwise except that it seems a little out there.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 8, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

yes

because the nats will be ecstatic to trade the face of their franchise for a pitcher we don’t want

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by prophetjohn on Jan 8, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I expect Lohse to be back to '08 form this season

so it ain’t that bad. but then again, that is more hope-based and less science-based than I usually am

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 8, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

i think

he’ll be close. but i’m on the optimistic side of lohse. either way, it’ll be really hard to pry zimmerman away from the nats

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by prophetjohn on Jan 8, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he'll be somewhere between 08 and 09 numbers

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 8, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

not yet

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by prophetjohn on Jan 8, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

imo

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by prophetjohn on Jan 8, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

You think Zimmerman...

Will sell more tickets, sell more jerseys, brand Nationals baseball better? Cause greater TV ratings and hype? How/why?

Maybe, but I just don’t see it. I guess a lot depends on definition of “face of franchise”.

Free Melodi Dushane

by all4tookie on Jan 8, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

because he is one the major league team

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by prophetjohn on Jan 8, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

not everyone is like us

i doubt most people understand the hype surrounding strasburg. is he destined to be the face of the franchise? almost certainly. bound to be the best pitcher in history? possibly. right now he’s a prospect

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by prophetjohn on Jan 8, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess.

But gun to their heads, I think just about any Nationals fan takes Strasburg over Zimmerman. I mean, my mom, who hasn’t seen an inning of baseball since Darrell Porter retired, knows who Strasburg is.

Free Melodi Dushane

by all4tookie on Jan 8, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Zimmerman is awesome though

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 8, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Scene: Bizzaro-Millionaire's Club

DAYTON MOORE [disheveled, wearing his captain’s hat and whimsically waving several freshly-inked contracts, talk-singing]: There is no Earthly way of knowing… which direction we are going. There is no knowing where we’re rowing, or which way the river’s flowing. Is it raining? Is it snowing? Is a hurricane a’blowing? Not a speck of light is showing so the danger much be growing. Are the fires of hell a’glowing? Is the grisley reaper mowing? YES! The danger must be growing for the rowers keep on rowing AND THEY’RE CERTAINLY NOT SHOWING ANY SIGNS THAT THEY ARE SLOWING!

JASON KENDALL, SCOTT POSEDNIK, JOSE GUILLEN, and YUNIESKY BETANCOURT, et al, in unison: But I wanted to be the first to find a Golden Contract, Dayton!

DAYTON MOORE: Sweethearts, Royals. Now, there are only four tickets left, and the whole rotting world’s hunting for them! What can I do?

JOE POSNANSKI, [leaning over to whisper in RANY JAZAYERLI’s ear]: The suspense is terrible…I hope it lasts.

Free Melodi Dushane

by all4tookie on Jan 8, 2010 3:39 PM EST reply actions   5 recs

RANY JAZAYERLI:

Well, that sure didn’t take long.

Free Melodi Dushane

by all4tookie on Jan 8, 2010 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

LH bat of the bench: Adam Kennedy

discuss?

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 8, 2010 3:46 PM EST reply actions  

I'd rather stick

with Gotay.

Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.

by liam on Jan 8, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

there ya go then!

I’d almost forget he was still playing until I saw the blurb about him and Tejada on MLBTR

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 8, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Stick him in front of Albert

Can’t walk him now! HAHAHAHA

You may run like Hayes, but you hit like shit.

by flipthebird on Jan 8, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

This is not such a terrible idea.

Can he play 2B?

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

this is one my favorites

because it was so true on my little league team.

Some people have their own bowling ball and their own bowling shoes and no friends.

by jacksonian on Jan 8, 2010 6:47 PM EST up reply actions  

another for the glossary

probably overdue. like the next update…

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 8, 2010 9:09 PM EST up reply actions  

OT: MLB '10 The Show

Has anybody checked into this yet? I started looking at it today, I’ve bought ‘08 and ’09 the last two years and I suppose I’ll have no choice but to buy ’10 as well given all of the upgrades.

http://www.destructoid.com/preview-mlb-10-the-show-158055.phtml

by mynameistyler on Jan 8, 2010 3:58 PM EST reply actions  

It looks great

Looking forward to it.

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 8, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Speaking of MLB...

I’ve been playing a little bit of 09 b/c of the Holliday signing.

Best moment I've ever seen at a Cards game in person
Follow me on Twitter: @zoomzoomj88
Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!

by zoomzoomj88 on Jan 8, 2010 9:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Me too...

I started a new Closer in RTTS and it was nice pitching in Spring Training with Holliday being named Player of the Game on a couple of occasions. Gotta fix that A’s hat, though.

by mynameistyler on Jan 9, 2010 12:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Also...

The Show is taking a page out of MVP 05’s playbook. The Polo Grounds, Sportsman’s Park, and other classic ballparks will be available in this game.

by mynameistyler on Jan 8, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

MVP 05 = best baseball game EVAR

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 8, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Fact of life.

With the Home Run Derby and the inclusion of the old ballparks as well as the old-time players like Ruth, it really struck me as they were looking back to MVP 05 a bit.

by mynameistyler on Jan 8, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Not anymore, IMO

The Show passed it last year, finally.

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 8, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

If It Weren't...

for Road To The Show, I’d still have MVP 05 at the top of my list. I spent 4 months updating rosters in 2007 for MVP 05, it was worth it.

by mynameistyler on Jan 8, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Still

can’t play it on Xbox 360 though… :(

by saladdays on Jan 8, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I love the throwback games you can get on there, like Sonic

I wish they would make a deal with Nintendo so I could get Super Mario World (SNES) for it. I’d play that all day and night.

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 8, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

you can play sonic on nintendo and a bunch of older games via download to wii

no way is nintendo going to license out its characters and games unless they tank drastically, which is probably not gonna happen

I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 8, 2010 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

mvp series was awesome

too bad it’s not still around.

Best moment I've ever seen at a Cards game in person
Follow me on Twitter: @zoomzoomj88
Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!

by zoomzoomj88 on Jan 8, 2010 10:01 PM EST up reply actions  

MVP 06 NCAA

…was so highly underrated. I’m tempted to buy another Xbox just so I can play it again.

by mynameistyler on Jan 9, 2010 12:12 AM EST up reply actions  

those graphics look stellar

i’ll definitely get it. ’09 is awesome

do you know if those are in game screenshots or just a trailer?

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Jan 8, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

That's likely a cut-scene...

Because the angle is reminiscent of the camera cut that The Show goes to when you hit a no-doubter, and I’m guessing he’s just hit a HR in that shot given the 1Bman’s reaction.

by mynameistyler on Jan 8, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

kinda what i thought

but those graphics are the same quality as in game graphics in ’09. the trailers and the videos that they play when you first stick it in a little better. but man, i hope those are in game graphics. looks liek a movie, there

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by prophetjohn on Jan 8, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Just moved up to Xbox 360 last fall

Don’t know much about baseball games for it. Any suggestions? Or is MLB 10 going to be the only game possible? Is it any good?

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 8, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Sadly...

you’re excluded from the good baseball game, The Show is PS3 exclusive. You can choose from MLB 2k10 or The Bigs.

by mynameistyler on Jan 8, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Also...

MLB The Show is EXTREMELY good and was the primary reason in my decision to go with PS3 over 360.

by mynameistyler on Jan 8, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

ps3 has the best exclusivesw

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by prophetjohn on Jan 8, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

The only ones I know of...

are The Show and the Uncharted games; all three of which I absolutely love.

by mynameistyler on Jan 8, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

metal gear solid

grand theft auto
final fantasy ecept for xiii

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by prophetjohn on Jan 8, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

GTA is PS3 Only?

I had no idea. I have it and love it.

by mynameistyler on Jan 8, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

It isn't

Was just getting ready to debunk

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 8, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

huh

i thought it was

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by prophetjohn on Jan 8, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

No Halo though

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 8, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I actually hate that game.

My brother and his goon friends play the hell out of it, I tried it… s’not for me, I guess. I’m not a big online guy, though.

by mynameistyler on Jan 8, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm more worried about

half life and l4d series

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by prophetjohn on Jan 8, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

that said

halo 1 is great for pc. ideally i get a pc that can play the 360 exclusives i want. mainly just valve games

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by prophetjohn on Jan 8, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

If You're a PC Guy...

What’s your take on the Battlefield series? I’d never heard of it til Bad Company came out, still haven’t played any of the PC games but I love Bad Company and I’m stoked for BC 2.

by mynameistyler on Jan 8, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

never heard of it

though i wouldn’t call myself a pc gamer. even just “gamer” would be a stretch. more of a part time niche gamer

i come out hard for specificd series and will dabble elsewhere occasionally

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Jan 8, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

But not as good online support

for extra content, etc. Case in point, Fallout 3.

by saladdays on Jan 8, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

best game of this generation

holy crap. i can only think of one game ever that tops it

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Jan 8, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Well?

Tell us!!!!!!!

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 8, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

but i never played any of the games for more than a couple minutes

xenogears also pwns link

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by prophetjohn on Jan 8, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

never saw the good reason for the hype

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by prophetjohn on Jan 8, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

a link to the past

is the only one i’ve played recently enough to really remember. and i hardly gave it a chance to be fair

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by prophetjohn on Jan 8, 2010 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Ocarina of Time is different from the others.

It’s worth a play, honestly. I’ve played it more than a dozen times and it never gets old. There’s various side stories that you can complete if you want that aren’t required. It’s worth a play.

by mynameistyler on Jan 8, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

which system?

snes?

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by prophetjohn on Jan 8, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

i will download

an emulator tonight and try it tomorrow at work

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by prophetjohn on Jan 8, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Be Sure to Give it Some Time...

as it does a lot of story building at the start. Then, after you make it to Hyrule Field, it’s pure gameplay.

(hfs I’m a geek)

by mynameistyler on Jan 8, 2010 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

alright

maybe i will start it tonight

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by prophetjohn on Jan 8, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I should say...

I honestly don’t play any of the original Zelda games, they never appealed to me. But Ocarina of Time was way different and it’s just a really solid, solid game. The best N64 put out.

by mynameistyler on Jan 8, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

ocarina is great

I’m replaying link to the past now and loving it, but eventually I will get someone here to realize how brilliant earthbound is. best. game. ever.

by DanUpBaby on Jan 8, 2010 6:37 PM EST up reply actions  

final fantasy sevennnnnnnnnnn

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by prophetjohn on Jan 8, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

yay!

i ham weener!

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by prophetjohn on Jan 8, 2010 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

AmI the only person who hates the overhang in RF at Target Field???

Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.

BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS

by vexedtechie on Jan 8, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

it's for the death icicles to form.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 8, 2010 9:10 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Random thoughts on the internet

There’s no real reason for me to post this. But, I’m probably in the older contingent here on the blog. I don’t post a ton, but I read everything. I’ve seen a few complaints lately about the tone of the blog, and now I see RB mentioning it in his fanpost. And that he worries he might be a flashpoint.

Ladies/gents: don’t worry about it. This is the internet. You will get AOL’d. It’s gonna happen, and you’re just gonna have to let it slide. Let me explain.

In the past, there wasn’t a great way for tons of people on the internet to communicate with each other besides email. However, those among us who were technical knew about usenet, and used usenet groups. In the late 80s early 90s, it was difficult to access them. Most people who DID access them were, in general, intelligent and technical and willing to contribute. And if they were NOT willing to contribute, they were nice enough to stay in the alt.* forums.

Then came mid 90s. And AOL. Now every wackjob who could afford a modem and $10/month could get to the internet. And one of ’em found out about Usenet newsgroups. Which mean they broadcast it to all their wackjob friends. Which mean more wackjobs on usenet.

Within a few years, much of usenet was useless. Many groups were unreadable because there was a 20 to 1 ratio or 100 to 1 ration or worse of “first” type posts to useful posts.

It’s the way it is. In the modern world, it is almost impossible for something good to go undiscovered. You may know that mixing 2 kinds of beer is freaking awesome, but in a few years you’ll find it being served at Tilted Kilt and every frat boy will be yelling about it.

Just remember: If it’s good – and VEB is great – it’s still good even with a buttload of bad comments. Ignore the bad comments and enjoy the great stuff.

by sdrone on Jan 8, 2010 4:31 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

Agreed

The fratboy fascination with Black and Tans is really interesting to me.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 8, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

i think the problem with that

is that this is one skip away from legit media outlets. when we act like no one is watching us when we post on the internet, (marbles) happen.*

I do not think it’s impossible for a balance to be made, but the general sense that actions have no consequences, and individual posters have no responsibility to the community are going to sink any group of people quicker than the culture shift.

honestly, in all my years, VEB is still in the top five of internet communities I’ve ever seen. I see no reason for that to change.

  • you can pay me later, prophet.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 8, 2010 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

one of these days I am gonna teach you people how to use an asterik

without making it come out as a bullet.

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 8, 2010 9:41 PM EST up reply actions  

it was an effin spacebar!! i missed it by that much

i blame the comma reflexes

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 8, 2010 10:11 PM EST up reply actions  

so looking for that stevie wonder pic i came across my old 2006 parade album

and it reminded me how much i like this pic (despite the hand obscuring it):

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

Resident malcontented betamale

by slu on Jan 8, 2010 4:34 PM EST reply actions  

the mang waves hello

Here’s the rest of the pics (as I impulsively vanquish myself of internet anonymity)

Part 1
Part 2

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

Resident malcontented betamale

by slu on Jan 8, 2010 4:50 PM EST up