Community Guidelines Refresher 2010
by DanUpBaby on Jan 7, 2010 3:24 PM EST
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PrintI've had some complaints, of late, from multiple channels—SBN, VEB regulars, VEB irregulars—about the increased volume of swearing and hostility in the comments section. That means it's time to trot out the community guidelines for their yearly trip to the front page, namely this section:
On the subject of cussing: this blog is written for adults, not children. adults get to cuss -- but most of us know where to draw the line. that is, most of us know how to cuss without being vulgar and offending everybody around us. if you’re unsure where that line is, then just err on the safe side and don’t cuss at all on this blog. also: do not not make your cussing personal. don’t cuss at anybody, be they a member of the community or a member of the cardinals. you can write "taguchi just took the shittiest route to a ball i have ever seen," but not "taguchi's the biggest piece of shit i have ever seen." and if you're swearing up a blue streak in the comments thread, and any member of the community asks you to tone down the language --- then tone it the f**k down, immediately.
Both tenets of this guideline—that swearing is something that should be directed at events, and not people, and that it is both allowed on the site and should remain on this side of The Line—still apply. We've been asked by members of the community to tone down the language, so tone it the f**k down we ought. The comments needn't be appropriate, in the long term, for eight year-olds, but that doesn't mean there's no boundary for civility, just that it's past the point where particularly naughty words are spelled out with hockey sticks for L's.
I missed some of what happened yesterday, and have been filled in after the fact, so I apologize if I get the particulars wrong, but as a general rule, and given the site's demographics and hourly breakdown an uncannily appropriate one, keep the proceedings work-safe. Pictures with subject lines may be collapsible, but they still load automatically, and in my admittedly limited experience "I was just about to collapse this picture of Mrs. Lima by clicking on the words 'look at these things'" is not a workable defense at the public library.
Thanks for reading; carry on.
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Dumb SB question -- but nowhere else to ask it...
I’ve joined Viva. (This must be true since I am able to comment, right?) But Viva does not appear in the “My Blogs” drop down menu at the top of the page.
Does anyone know why that might be?
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Maybe on the first certain number of SBN blogs you join appear there?
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
try clicking Your SB Nation blogs at the bottom?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Got it
Thanks guys.
I had to mark Viva as a favorite in my SB Nation blogs.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
just curious...
has traffic increased/decreased recently? (obv since the off season).
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
it's increased year to year
basically since its inception. in both 2008 and 2009 we’ve had around 1400 new registrations.
the major change in 2009, as you’d expect, was comments.
Comments in 2008: 207,154
Comments in 2009: 399,437
...so traffic is up.....
not to get into a major debate here but one thing that PISSES me off (no not really i just wanted to curse and get dramatic) are people in empirical communities (i.e. SABR or Poker, etc) but do not apply their sexy scientific mindset to things outside said community.
If there is a negative impact as in site traffic down, etc, then something should be looked at…buttttttt if the exact opposite is happening soap boxing on the behalf of the puritan minority is silly.
NOW with that said, if there is evidence to support the community is degrading then things should be looked at…
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
I can't speak for SBN, certainly,
but I don’t think the best way of judging a site’s health is a straight look at the numbers unless your stated goal is to be as enormous as possible.
That said I happen to think the site’s community functions have held up pretty well to the increased activity—we still have great discussions, great people, etc. But a return engagement for the community guidelines seemed like a good idea given how many new members, and how much new volume, we have.
Honestly I wish you had to see the guidelines page before joining
Being just a small link on the right side of the page I feel most people miss them. I only found them after being a member for a few months. I wish SBN could make it so anyone who chooses to “join” this blog was shown those as a kind of user agreement first.
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
by StLHugo on Jan 7, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
they do, go to another teams site and try to reply if you're not a member
you get a little disclaimer.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
Just a small one though
and that is standard, VEB has a full page Guidelines post that I think every member should read and follow, simple rules that keep this place civil.
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
that is a fantastic, fantastic idea
seriously, that’s the best thing anyone has said on this topic so far. Rec’d.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 7, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
...outside of idealizm
what else could be a “goal” for a website?
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
having fun. starting interesting conversations. increasing knowledge.
and why “outside idealism” — isn’t having a not-for-profit website basically an idealistic act?
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
I'm sure the 8 people over at pinstripealley are having a hoot.
And let me clarify the snippy “outside idealism”. I was referring to people’s idealism of “selling out”. People let their insecurities think that being popular is a bad thing. People want to act like they don’t care but they pretty much nut when VEB gets a mention at FG or when Tango Tiger stops by.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
Isn't that idealistic?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 7, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
oh, I dunno.
treating every human being, including women, as something more than trophies, conquests, punchlines, or objects of humiliation and manipulation?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
No, this is not that kind of site.
“Something more” is not enough; we should aspire to continually refined measurement of how much more.
ceterum censeo, delendo est Joe Strauss
yeah, judging people is much more noble and classy.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
When random bitchings like this come up I instantly
think to myself “what prompted this”. I had no idea what tomfoolery and ballyhoo occurred yesterday. ya, BS like that shouldn’t be tolerated….however, I don’t think there should be a blanket policy.
Now that I know what happened yesterday I really don’t care much for philosophizing over iEthics so instead I’m going to watch the BCS game…even though I hate football…and college football worse….however, the giant scoreboard over bed needs to go up by one bartender/cocktail waitress. (that was a joke….well partially).
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
A baseball team's goal is to win
advanced stats provide a quantitative framework for achieving that goal.
I doubt that the goal of this site is to generate as much traffic and as many comments as possible, independent of the content.
by brackenthebox on Jan 7, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
also
maybe traffic would be up even more than it currently is in the absence of things about which people are complaining.
by brackenthebox on Jan 7, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
the cursing does impact whether or not pages will be linked to at other sites so SBN (not necessarily Dan specifically) has a vested interest in maintaining a civil forum
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that's my point...
whatever VEB is doing currently is working. A statement like yours is like saying the cards should trade pujols for sorryano because “you never know”.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
i will admit it's pretty strawman-esk, however,
my point was taking something arbitrary and giving it some random site view generating power.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
I don't think his statement is arbitrary.
I think it makes reasonable sense. If the things which have created so much controversy/presumably offensive material in the last month or so didn’t exist, then perhaps more people would be frequenting this blog. Why is that arbitrary?
by mynameistyler on Jan 7, 2010 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
because it's removing a key element of a working machine.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
My bad.
It got awfully far down for me to correlate what the “complaint” was. Anybody complaining about the saber stuff can find a new home elsewhere.
by mynameistyler on Jan 7, 2010 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
well that's my point.
hardcore nailed it with “fan site and sabr site”. As some of the hardcore sabrs around here have said when this site gets as dull as the hardcore sabr sites they’re out.
As far as I’m concerned this site rocks like a hurricane and I get the distinctive feeling the silent minority are starting to rise up.
Fuck em.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
As some of the hardcore sabrs around here have said when this site gets as dull as the hardcore sabr sites they’re out.
Though I don’t consider myself a “hardcore” saberist because programming SQL bores me to tears, I agree with this sentiment.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
SQL is fun!
And yes, there are plenty of places I can go to have hardcore saber discussions, including some times here at VEB. I don’t want this place to before all saber all the time.
So when you say "fuck em"
Do you mean that in the sense that you’re directly cursing at other members of this community? Like, doing exactly what the community guidelines, the very subject of this post, says not to do? In this thread? Seriously?
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
I'm going to piggy back this a bit, mojo
And also go ahead and quote what Az said in a comment from the massive thread from yesterday, which was out of line in terms of cussing.
Take it away, AZ:
I have to say it’s all pretty reprehensible and childish. It feels like everyone is 13 and thinks cursing makes you cool. Whatever restraint I’ve seen in the last few days disappeared during this thread.
This isn’t just some poster saying this… this is one of the moderators of the site saying the cussing was too much. He also was the one saying the memes need to be curbed.
I enjoy the atmosphere around here as much as anyone… it’s a relatively light-hearted, but still serious discussion of baseball and our favorite team. However, this site also is not the P-D playground where just about anything goes. Cursing isn’t banned but simply letting fly a stream of f-bombs is not what we’re about either, and rockstar, you’ve been here awhile and should know better.
Then today Dan, the manager of the site for Pete’s sakes, thinks it’s worth his valuable time to bring up the community guidelines again. This isn’t a disgruntled subunit, these are the people charged with managing the site! If they didn’t see a problem they would have said nothing!
Yes, the guy who made the “stop cussing” fanpost was out of line, I’ll buy that. But the rampant “HAHA well fuck you toos!” and whatnot were too much for even my iron-stomach to take.
I’m not saying “Don’t cuss, make jokes, post goofy pics, fart, and laugh at memes!” I’m saying that blue-streak cussing and good front-page articles-cowboyed-by-.gif-wars is taking it too far. It would seem that our sites bosses agree, and frankly they’re the ones most-responsible for keeping this site in line. Wild, unrestrained fuck-bombs and 200 comments about bacon pegacorns are too far. There’s a limit that we’re certainly beginning to push, in my book.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 7, 2010 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
Let me rephrase something
I hit post before proofing this part…
…and rockstar, you’ve been here awhile and should know better.
I’m not calling you out, rockstar, merely noting that you’ve been here a long time and know that this site isn’t just some playground for fans, that we do have a general focus and an established tone. I am also NOT trying to say you’re a bluestreak cusser or anything like that, so if you take this to mean that then I’ve screwed up and will apologize now for not being clearer. It’s been a long week and hell I’m sick and tired of being sick and tired!
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 7, 2010 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
nah I didn't take it that way,
even if I did I wouldn’t care because if my life got so boring to where I got offended and stressed out over cussing on an intertubes blog I’d off myself.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Jan 8, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I’d off myself.
Please don’t though… please.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 9, 2010 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
There have been multiple times
where I’ve left the site due to the amount of cursing – as if a group of 13 year old boys had taken over. I also didn’t come back once for well over a month.
Now I’ll concede that I don’t post much, but I usually enjoy reading the comments.
And I’ve spent much of my life working around construction sites, so I’m used to it.
I'm pointing out that we have no data either way on a relationship between cursing and pageviews/comments/links
taking something arbitrary and giving it some random site view generating power.
Maybe cursing is Albert Pujols. Maybe it’s Joe Thurston. Do you have a single shred of evidence either way? I certainly don’t, and I haven’t seen it anywhere in this thread.
I don’t care in the slightest about cursing or memes on this board, though I can understand why the mods do. I do care about your calling everyone who doesn’t agree with you illogical and backing it up with an argument that is “better” because it happens to have a number associated with it.
and as to this:
. . . but do not apply their sexy scientific mindset to things outside said community.
I’m about as geeky/dorky/nerdy as you can get in this regard. I have a model of my walk to work to figure out when to cross the street. I set up an online estimator of the temperature of my thanksgiving turkey this year to determine when to start cooking the sides. I love a good quantitative argument, I just didn’t see one here.
by brackenthebox on Jan 8, 2010 8:02 AM EST up reply actions
Holy sh-t this the Saber - Mainstream debate!!!
I do care about your calling everyone who doesn’t agree with you illogical and backing it up with an argument that is "better" because it happens to have a number associated with it.
And coming from Bracken too. Like holy crap, this is like team chemistry.
vivaelpujols: “catcher ERA has been proven to have no significance due to testing of z-scores.”
random mainstream dude (let’s call him cubbie-tim): “yeah, but c’mon, Greg Maddux said he liked his personal catchers so it must be true”
Note: I don’t disagree with Bracken’s comment. The fact that VEB has grown (and we don’t know how much due to lack of information on how much SBNation and the rest of the internet has grown) is countered by the fact that many people have complained about cursing recently.
Well that would be true only if the net loss in cursing outweighed the net gain (some people like a little vulgarity, which is why MTV and Fire Joe Morgan are polular)
That might be true, but we have no way of knowing actually unless you compared the average growth of SBNation with the growth of VEB. If VEB is growing at a higher rate, than it is theoretically correlated with more cursing. If not, then it isn’t. Correlation doesn’t prove causation… but it does imply it.
Actually, I really want to test that out. Dan, is there a comments database in VEB?
I'm not trying to make anyone mad by saying this
but I feel that the swearing situation got out of hand. All it takes is a few complaints, really? As long as I’ve been here (almost a year), there haven’t been any complaints from what I can tell. Now it seems like people can’t stand much swearing at all. There have been many f-bombs and things along that line in the game threads, and I haven’t seen anyone be flagged or bitched at (sorry, have to get the point across) hardly at all. I just don’t get it. Maybe I’m trying to defend it too much, but I just don’t like the fact that people are suddenly wanting to rise up against swearing.
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This has always popped up.
And it will again. To be honest, I don’t mind unless it’s directed at a person b/c then it’s just hostile. Otherwise, swearing is just like cartoon violence.
Now with extra feisty!
cartoon violence is fucking sickening.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jan 7, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
rec'd for both appropriate swearing and hilarity
How depressing is it being you? Is it closer to being a lifelong cubs fan or being born without lips? - Janitor
by themanthemyth on Jan 7, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
I understand the swearing just for swearing sakes getting annoying
but sometimes a good swear word is just plain funny. I’d hate to see the humor of that going away.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
don't stop cussing when it is called for
As the guidelines say, “So took a shitty route” is fine, Holliday taking a ball off his nutz is cause for me to use the f word any day of the week. But just randomly using the f word for no reason gets old.
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
I don't either.
I don’t really see that much of it. But maybe I don’t notice it when I do because I swear a lot in my everyday life. For some of us, swearing is naturally part of our venacular. I try really hard not to bring that into my comments, but sometimes I feel like its necessary to get a point across, especially when facial expressions, hand gestures, and tone of voice are lost in internet conversations.
Also, I agree with matttyfrommo’s comment below. FireJoeMorgan style of writing includes a LOT of swearing, and that is what makes those guys so effing funny.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
by IHeartBoog on Jan 7, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Pastoral Busch 3 Stadium...
…where you never hear an unkind word. Sheesh, lighten up you moral high grounders. If you want to see what gratuitous vulgarity looks like, check out the Phillies or Mets SBN pages.
This site is pretty PG and I feel no apologies are needed from the good, intellectual folks who spend their time keeping it up-to-date.
That said, perhaps the VEB could institute manufactured profanity, like you see occasionally on network/basic cable TV: http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?FakeCussWord
Honi soit qui mal y pense.
I Can See it Now...
“Strike three, Holliday goes down on strikes, and the game is over…”
“Awww, nertlerb!!!”
See, it works!
;=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
Bryce Kirkland needs to go on photobucket more often if we want to see this picture.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Jan 7, 2010 6:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe if you are Bryce Kirkland (I don't know if you are)
it will work for you.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Uh, lighten up?
Lately the swearing has gotten a bit overboard by some and I agree it isn’t rampant but for Dan to remind people about the guidelines (which say cuss in moderation) shouldn’t be taken as a movement towards total political correctness.
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
Pointing at a player with a worse on base percentage
doesn’t justify the Royals trading for Betancort.
It’s not about moral high ground. It’s a reminder of the rules, not a solicitation of whether you think they’re right.
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Sorry?
There’s a player with a worse OBP than Betancourt????
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 8, 2010 7:09 AM EST up reply actions
I don't disagree, but that's not an apt analogy
With OBP, we know what’s good and what’s bad, so the fact that someone has an OBP worse than Yuni doesn’t mean anything. With cursing, we are unsure of whether or not it’s good or bad (whether it adds character to the blog or whatever), so technically, the more blogs that allow cursing actually strengthens our case.
WHEW!
I just did bad cows jokes and post silly pictures – I try to be moore clever than to just swear, which any knucklehead 13 year old can do. Oh, and my failed attempt to birth a weird meme. But no cursing!
:=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
VEB will always have to deal with the fact
That it tries to be both a fan site and a respected SABR site.
DRays Bay and Lookout Landing have given up trying to fight the language.
by Hardcore Legend on Jan 7, 2010 4:07 PM EST via mobile reply actions
this couldn't be more true.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 7, 2010 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
probably those in the orginal thread for today
I kind of assumed the old main thread would be the baseball thread for today while this one would be for discussing the guidelines
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
I have no opinion on any of this, except
calling Taguchi the “biggest piece of shit you’ve ever seen” should be an instabanning offence.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 7, 2010 4:14 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
I agree, I rec'd this blog to my dad who is very conservative in his morals and does not
like cussing…won’t watch movies with it..anyways..he has yet to contribute and I have been a bit embarrassed since I rec’d it.
Tell him....
to only read comments posted between 7am and 10am. He should be good… This is really a fascinating version of a father-kid relationship. I’m trying to envision sheltering my father from naughty words. Inconceivable…
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
i always have to think before i recommend movies to my parents, for exactly the same reason.
not protecting them, i just know they won’t like some movies.
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
Yes, and can I add that I put even more thought into what I choose to watch WITH them...
I learned that lesson after watching the first season of Deadwood with my parents – a few awkward moments. Not so much the language – more the other bits.
[And the fact that I watched two seasons of Deadwood last week may account for my increased swearing the last few days. I will now watch only network and pbs for a few days to cleanse my vocab.]
by peach concrete on Jan 7, 2010 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
i will always recall watching "full metal jacket" while i was ~14-15 and my grandparents were visiting.
my grandfather walked in during the scene with the prostitute and the “alabama black snake.” he turned around and walked right back out without saying a word.
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
I saw Aliens when I was like 8 or something
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 7, 2010 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
for the record, I do swear too much
and I will try to curb my own filthy invective.
however I will never, ever, not say “fuck” – or any of its variants – in relation to Chris Carpenter.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
you sailor
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 7, 2010 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
afraid of the luggage, are ya?
i can think of one instance only to use Carp and the eff word in a sentence. only one.
sorry, but you were asking for this
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by brackenthebox on Jan 7, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
it's gotten old
besides, didn’t you read this?
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Can we be...
both the Best Fans in Baseball and the biggest trouble makers on SBN? I’d love to try.
by mynameistyler on Jan 7, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
nope
3 words: St. Louis Gametime
Some people have their own bowling ball and their own bowling shoes and no friends.
GREAT website
but man they are vulgar.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 7, 2010 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
rams is turfshowtimes.com
if you want to see me get beat up, you should check out some of those threads.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 7, 2010 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
anybody who pays attention to rams football with the intention of anything but
amusement would likely be.
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
i don't appreciate that
you’re saying i can’t be a true fan?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 7, 2010 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
sure, you can be a true fan.
but how could you be one without being angry? maybe i’m missing something. if the cards went 50-112, i’d be pissed.
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
i'm not angry
the time to be angry was 2 years. the old regime is gone, the new regime is in place, and the team is headed in the right direction. no reason to be angry anymore.
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 7, 2010 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
Or cheering for them to lose so they get the first draft pick.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
you been there?
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 7, 2010 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
seriously?
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 7, 2010 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
i remember that
yeah, it can be entertaining.
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 7, 2010 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
Your screen name...
reminds me of a swear word and makes me feel uncomfortable, which irreparably harms my children as they sense my unease.
Can you please delete yourself?
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
We need a digital Robespierre...
to purify this site. You’re safe, for now.
I can fill this role if called upon.
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
Maybe we need a virtual Travis Bickle
so a real rain will come and wash all this scum off the streets.
“You talkin’ about bacon and pegacorns to me? You talkin’ about bacon and pegacorns to me? You talkin’ about bacon and pegacorns to me? Then who the hell else are you talking about bacon and pegacorns… you talking about bacon and pegacorns to me? Well I’m the only one here. Who the fuck do you think you’re talking about bacon and pegacorns to? Oh yeah? OK. FLAGGED!!!”
by BTown Birds fan on Jan 7, 2010 7:31 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I have been here
seems like forever and rarely post, but it seems to me 90% of the comments are from regular posters. (You’re basically fighting among yourselves.) The other 10% are from lurkers like me and new people. I read this everyday and skim the comments because the only thing comments are good for is what stupid picture will someone post today. Out of 600 comments or so, I’d guess maybe 50 are relevant to something besides unicorns or a fist.
"It is easy to be brave from a safe distance." - Aesop
This is the cursing thread.
The meme-whining thread is here.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Jan 7, 2010 7:22 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
what the heck happened the past couple days?
i got some emails last night & today about me needing to get her asap because all hells breaking loose. did something happen in red’s thread yesterday because that’s the only one i haven’t been able to look at?
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
The fun stuff got deleted.
Some Passan started a fanpost complaing about RB using the word fuck in the poll yesterday. All I know is I went to bed around 10:30, and woke up to 700 new comments. Also there was a troll after that, and he was apparently booted.
* is an Asshat
ok i'm on board with stopping that nonsense.
not to hero worship or anything but RB can pretty much do wtf he pleases…i’m sorry, WHAT THE FUCK he pleases (don’t use this as a literal statement but it’s pretty close to true).
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
I think you're missing the point of this thread.
Also, he included ONE f-bomb, in the fucking poll for god sakes
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
I think you missed the point of my post
I’m not talking about other commenter who are offended by excessive cussing from comments, I’m talking about that one commenter who actually made a fanpost complaining about RB’s one cuss last post.
Right because you needed to slip in that f-bomb to prove your point here
the irony of people cussing in this thread (unnecessarily) is both sad and inescapable.
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
I can't believe I missed this.
Like the one night of the off season I go out instead of chillin’ in my dad’s attic, and I miss some epic event.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
so that's where the femaly VEB'ers live
we were wondering a while back where they called home. now we know. and knowing is half the battle.
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
it's a little bit nicer than the basement - we have windows up here.
I just read that entire thread from yesterday, because I felt it was my duty as a member of this site to keep up with these things. and now I am exhausted. and most of that thread was hilarious.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
windows?
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
yeah, you need to get her asap!
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 7, 2010 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
dont hate on taguchi :(
but anyways being mean is baaaaad…this should be sorta obvious =/. its a shame that people can’t see each other when they’re talking on the internet
Here's a "quote" and a witty phrase or two, then an inside joke (!)...yeah, I know, I'm soo creative. Hey, just because I can't think of any doesn't mean I'm lame...or not....
People aren't really mean here...
are they? That doesn’t seem to be a pervasive problem…. maybe some of the stathead disputes get a little overheated.
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
defered complaints
profanity is somewhat inherently confrontational in nature. so, an offendee may be predisposed to not confront (even politely) the offender, preferring to take their complaints/concerns up to the top of the chain of command.
in other words, just because there isn’t a clear uptick in complaints about obscenities among members doesn’t mean there isn’t an uptick in complaints about profanities among members. I’m a teacher and generally swear like a truck driver (all due respect to actual truck drivers) outside of class, but can’t ever recall ever using even a mild profanity in class. Just basic awareness of the surroundings, I suppose.
I personally have no strong feelings, in either direction, about profanity, but I think a general reminder that some people do is probably a good move. It would be unfortunate if some stayed away due to vocabulary usage in posts and comments.
I would never, ever want RB to modify his writing style,
and I disagree about inherent confrontational tone evoked with profanity.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Jan 7, 2010 7:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes.....Wednesdays, sometime between 8 and 1
is a highlight of my week.
* is an Asshat
by RiverRat on Jan 7, 2010 7:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I've never let a curse slip around my parents
It baffles me when people say that they’ve been cursing away from home, then go home and drop an f-bomb at the family dinner table
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
My problem is not with vulgarity but the lack of civility
It seems like if someone comes with an idea that the group think considers ignorant they just rip him to shreds. But than they throw in vulgarity and insults at the person. Even if is not directed at me I do find it to be offensive. Now I understand some people can come in asking for trouble. But is so hard to ignore these people or at least ask them why they believe they do before you tell them to “Fuck Off”.
Exactly
Cursing isn’t offensive. Being a jackass is. Don’t be a jackass. And since cursewords are inherently emotionally charged, don’t curse at other people, because that’s being a jackass. If you’re cursing at someone, you’ve officially crossed line from debating to being a dick. If people aren’t cursing at each other, I see no problem. People have been cursing on this site for years, and there’s never been a major issue with it that I can remember, because this community has always been civil (mostly), level-headed (mostly), and respectful (mostly).
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
I agree
It’s a blog so I know I’m going to have to skip through vulgarity. I don;t like vulgarity but think i tolerate it more when it’s not directed at someone, or just a post that says F#$%..when if you’re not at a Tv you have no idea why there are 8 posts with a expletive…
i guess i understand a post that says what a bad Finn through more even though i don’t care for it….
On one hand it’s the internet so tread lightly on the other if it’s senseless and irate and directed at people then leave…
and yes it’s covered yearly regardless of who is running the blog
This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers
+1
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 7, 2010 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly
I didn’t see how the thread turned out yesterday, but the first request seemed relatively harmless. People piled on that guy terribly, generally citing the community guidelines as a defense of swearing. And now, from the quotes Dan and others have put up above, it looks like, if anything, those same guidelines actually ask people to show responsibility and restraint with the swearing. Was the righteous, angry mob just uninformed, or being deliberately disengenuous?
Seriously, that makes me angry. That newly-registered poster might have just been a old member who invented a new name to protect his identity – and rightly so, it appears.
yes, i felt that it was unnecessary piling-on.
although i didn’t see the fanpost he created so i don’t know if it was justified or not.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 8, 2010 7:17 AM EST up reply actions
Yup...
If you have an opinion outside the groupthink/clique of this blog, you simply get insulted, often with an insulting image as a reply…(sometimes even with that phrase as a caption in the photo, I actually complained about such one a couple weeks ago)
oh come on, that's ridiculous
we do not attack people. if we did Az would ban our ass
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
by gdm426 on Jan 8, 2010 3:15 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i wouldn't say attack personally
but attack the opinion absolutely. it happens quite often. the group mentality around here is quite a distasteful thing.
"Sorry about him, he's dealing with being an inker. " - Chasing Amy
by FutureMan on Jan 8, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
it's relative I think
some of the behavior on here at times can definitely be viewed as a personal attack if you don’t agree with the groupthink
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 8, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
you shouldn't get insulted.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 9, 2010 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
Not Everyone's Opinion has to be Substatiated by Logic...
…hence the word ‘opinion’ (a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty, or a personal view, attitude, or appraisal). We’re not Vulcans here. If I have a baseball theory which is inherently flawed because of little or no evidence, or because I did the math wrong, feel free to attack. If I prefer Ray Lankford over Colby Rasmus – just because! – that is an opinion, and needs no logic to back it up. You don’t have to agree with it, but attacking it with ‘logic’ is futile.
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
You can feel whatever you want
If you try to push your opinion on someone else, it will be attacked.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 12, 2010 1:53 AM EST up reply actions
This seems to keep coming up,
and I really am not seeing it. People explained at least half a dozen separate times why Adam Dunn isn’t a good fit for this team using empirical evidence and avoiding flames.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
Its bad when your afraid to post...
I have read this website everyday for the last 3 years and have been a member for only 3 months. Everyone here is so smart and most people know what they are talking about, but at the same time thats not always a good thing. People can sit behind their computers spew their knowledge and act like the biggest inconsiderate assholes without feeling any remorse for such actions due to the forum we reside. I hate when i see a person post an honest opinion only to get ripped for it. Just because we are behind a computer screen dosent mean it dosent hurt when someone attacks your knowledge and understanding of the game. Im not saying it is anyone in general at all i couldent name a person i thought this of, its just every here and there. its upsetting that just because you arent sitting face to face with the person you cant be civil. The cursing dosent bother me one bit so long as it is not directed at another member.
by TheHolyDiver19 on Jan 7, 2010 8:48 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
I agree with that, but I find that most hostility is being returned by VEB members.
The hostility is usually launched by the original poster, no matter the level of honesty in their opinions.
Now with extra feisty!
I can agree with that
These guys come in that I have never heard than call me an idiot and expect no one to respond back. Now me personally it doesn’t bother me that much. But I am a rather laid back person and trolls don’t really bother me that much. Don’t feed the trolls and they will eventually go back under the bridge.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 8, 2010 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
Perhaps I shouldn't take this so personally,
but I really have not seen people getting ripped for their opinions on a regular basis. Often, arguments about players turn to discussions about advanced statistics, and I can see how that might be intimidating or off-putting, but that’s kind of the flavor of this site.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
I don't understand this either
I get into heated arguments with Fourstick like every single freaking day, and he doesn’t get offended or scared to post – he posts more than I do.
Also, if you have an unsupport it opinion and continue to advance it in face of evidence to the contrary, you will get ripped on and deservedly so. Name ONE time when any of us attacked someone who simply posted an innocuous opinion.
i agree with the post here; last night, we were working more than a little blue, and not in a clever or redeeming way.
still, i question sbnation’s authority to deem us too obscene to be linked to when this link is coming up in my sidebar:
Alleged ball from ’Merkle’s Boner’ could be yours at auction
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
by tom s. on Jan 7, 2010 9:23 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Kos...
is such a mild-mannered soul. He just can’t countenance swearing.
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
Snowing hard in Indiana
Perfect baseball weather?
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
This post reminds me of a conversation I had recently
We were all agreeing how hilarious Bill Cosby’s movie “Himself” and his records were without him using any four-letter words. Profanity can be too easy to fall back on sometimes instead of coming up with something clever to say.
I love reading this blog.
I'm not really a fan of The 'Cos...
bur I do agree with the spirit of your opinion.
I’m not trying to point fingers (as I said above, profanity is a part of my daily vocab), but your last point really is the problem with obscenity, if there actually is one.
We use a language with a massive lexicon. I really think that, linguistically speaking, the real strength of the English language is the power of description. The English language has no peer in that regard.
Profanity, which doesn’t bother me as a matter of vulgarity, particularly since I use it frequently myself, does bother me a bit on the level of pure/wasted communication. Profanity makes things that could be clear as day and clouds them, if only minimally.
For example- “Taguchi took a shitty route to the ball,” while understood in a general sense, is simply not as clear, descriptive, or powerful as saying something like, “Taguchi misjudged the ball off the bat and initially came in. He had to cut across abruptly in order to make up for his bad break.”
I must admit that the reasons I use profanity grow more out of mental laziness and a lame subconscious desire to be a bit edgy and not thought of us uppity.
I’ve never thought of profanity as being necessarily linked with adulthood. If that were true, we might as well unleash blue-streak after blue-streak on the young, so they could learn to use it in a way that fills the individual modes of communication that it fills.
That’s my two fucking cents on this bullshit… god (as in Zeus) damn it.
by Scarecrow7775 on Jan 7, 2010 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
what the heck is Mo talking about?
Cardinals GM John Mozeliak says his team will decide in the near future “if we have a bullet to use what would we use it on,” according to Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch (via Twitter).
This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers
Check bank account
If they have money what to spend it on
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 8, 2010 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
Just wanted to say a few lines from BCB...
Me n another BCBer came over last night and had a great time. We swore a few too many times but enjoyed the conversation. I thoroughly enjoy the VEBers that I know, and was glad to both see Holliday sign with the Cardinals and to chat with other fans. We’ll tone it down. Sorry bout that. Have a good night.
Dan
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Score one for the civil crowd.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
Holy Fucking Shit.
I can stream tv shows/movies on my PS3 from Netflix. I’m going to be able to watch all 5 season of Lost before the next season starts b/c of this.
OH I LOVE TECHNOLOGY.
i have to comment on this.
five seasons in three weeks? I have a strong desire to do this, but I’m not sure I have the ability. this is like 100 hours of TV. i wish you luck.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
We've done 11 episodes in two weeknights now and plan to have season two done by next Wed.
Marriage is exciting!
you just sold me on marriage
now comes the hard part
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
huh huh huh
you said hard
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
not what i was going for but whatareyougonnado?
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
I think you've become my favorite VEB poster.
Season 5 is great. Enjoy.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
you have only one?
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
so it's just F & VEP?
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
I'm a BCBer.
I guess I need to work the crowd a bit more. I don’t know you, but the masses were screaming for you last night in the Holliday thread.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
i'm kind of a big deal
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
you're GOB damned right
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
When did this start?
My brother’s been lording his Netflix over my head because it’s the lone item of report he has with that 360. I’d like to shut him up.
by mynameistyler on Jan 8, 2010 2:26 AM EST up reply actions
Netflix sends you a disk
you pop in your code and BOOM you can stream their entire database. It’s amazing.
You don't need a disc for 360.
Just a code. Streaming is gonna/already be mainstream for Netflix. IMO it’s the more worthwhile part of being a member than the disc deal. One disc @ a time with unlimited streaming is brilliant. Just another reason I don’t need cable.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
yeah
I want a video game system now just to be able to do that
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 8, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Perfect place for your subject line
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
streaming netflix is so great
i hardly even get the disks anymore….i’ve already rewatched the first 4 seasons and am planning on watching one season 5 per day until the premiere
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 8, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
Dudes, the reason things got out of hand recently:
troll.
Sure, some of the visiting Cubs fans were a little blue. But once they were asked to tone it down a bit, they did so. I thought that was pretty groovy of them.
But then there was the one guy (not a Cubs fan, I don’t think) who was just straight up trolling. As I was reading through the comments, my thoughts were “Why are you guys feeding this troll?”
Honestly, it became a pissing match between stupid angry guy and normally cool VEB regulars who felt for some reason they needed to defend the community. If a troll gets no responses, he’s only talking to himself and will just go away.
Don’t feed ’em.
yeah
that guy was just eating it up
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 8, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
The next transaction for Mo
IMHO, should be nailing down 3rd base with Ryan Zimmerman by trading Kyle Loshe straight up for arguably the best young 3rd baseman playing in MLB today. I don’t have a handle on their exact contract numbers but believe they are similar and the Nats are crying for starting pitching. If I am right this would be a wash toward the cards annual salary base, then go after an affordable starting pitcher. Comments
i think this was a joke.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 9, 2010 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
The NTC is NOT funny, Monk.
Now with extra feisty!
by spants on Jan 9, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Loshe for Zimmerman
No Trade Clause. An even dumber NTC than most at that.
Well I didn’t know how to research those details but as a matter the hypothetical I would love for it to happen.
wait
this wasn’t a joke?
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 9, 2010 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
The reason it's dumber than most
is that Kyle Lohse had one solid year of pitching and landed a deal normally reserved for pitchers of a higher caliber. There’s no way he would okay a trade from the top of the Central to the bottom of the East.
Now with extra feisty!
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