Matt Holliday as a player
by DanUpBaby on Jan 7, 2010 4:22 AM EST
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PrintThat is a lot of money. $15 million a year that we care about—this is what Chris Carpenter will make this year—plus some amount of money that will be taken now from DeWallet, placed into DeHigh-Yield-Savings-Account, and flower eventually into $2 million more. This for seven years, which is a long time; seven years ago, Matt Holliday was putting up a .253/.313/.395 line in the Texas League, and the Cardinals' starting left fielder hit .359/.439/.667.
I've been thinking about this contract for a while—more particularly, as you'd expect, what to say about it. And I think it's worthwhile to review who Matt Holliday is, right now and, presumably, for the next two or three years, on the conservative side. Here are the good things he does:
He is a borderline Great Hitter. He doesn't quite walk enough to be a first-tier Great Hitter; his skill-set is nearer that of a really poor man's Albert Pujols, honestly, than it is most other hitters of his caliber. High average, above-average power, unlikely to lead the league in home runs any time soon.
But he's a better hitter than—to pull two names completely out of thin air, without any regard at all for anything else—Alfonso Soriano and Vernon Wells.
Holliday spent most of his career in Coors Field, so it's fair to take a skeptical look at the unadjusted Albert Belle numbers he put up to start his career. But by OPS+ Holliday's last four seasons are better than Soriano's Washington breakout, not to even mention Vernon Wells's two years out of four as Vernon Wells. He's not someone who has had a great season; he's someone who has great seasons.
He's at least an average left fielder. I liked Jason Bay more than most, but when the best thing that can be said about your terrible defense is that there's an easily identifiable reason for it, and it's knee surgery, defensive value over the life of a multi-year deal is a serious concern. Holliday's excellent UZR and fine Dewan numbers were... not quite corroborated by our eyes. But every metric sees him as at least average, and a few well above; given left field's low barrier for entry it seems fair, at least, to say that as a 29 year-old he was completely competent to play in the outfield.
That won't be as true when he's 36, but it's encouraging that he has farther to fall.
He's an excellent baserunner. His ZiPS projections, out yesterday, suggest he'll never steal more than ten bases again, and that depresses me; I love that crazy 28-2 stolen base line he managed in 2008. According to Bill James Online he's taken 41 bases more than an average runner would over the course of his career, a skill apart from his base-stealing exploits. That makes him, according to their Skill Assessments pane, a ninetieth percentile baserunner.
Certainly hitters with the proverbial young player's skills aren't inured from the prospect of catastrophic meltdown seasons—I have been mentioning Alfonso Soriano an awful lot. But as sluggers given long-term contracts go, Matt Holliday has skills that bode well for years 5-6-7 of the deal.
He plays a lot of games. Holliday is about to hit the wrong side of thirty, so it's a fair bet that he's passed his durability peak, but playing a lot of games is a skill that's generally undervalued unless someone is playing every last game for several years in a row. Holliday's played in at least 155 games for three years out of the last four, with one stint on the DL for hamstring issues in 2008. That's terrible news for Allen Craig, who now must attempt to convince Tony La Russa he can play third base by any means necessary, but it's good news for the Cardinals.
He is a great player, and has been a great player. Alfonso Soriano was signed coming off a career year in which he'd doubled his average walk rate to that point, added ten home runs to his career high, and taken well to a new position, all at once; Vernon Wells was signed after apparently returning to form in 2006, following two subpar years.
It's true that in both cases the player being signed was known as a great player, but the way we all knew it was different. Soriano and Wells both had impressive skills and had shown that they could translate them into big league numbers. They were, I guess, the MLB equivalent of tools hounds. Matt Holliday is a great player, and we know that not because he showed it by taking to a new position in a contract year or throwing off two years of stagnated development by repeating a big debut campaign—we know it through simple, boring repetition, through all his skills manifesting in the numbers one season after the other.
It's a long time—one year too many, probably—and the Cardinals did not receive a hometown discount, but that's what I like about this deal: If you're going to yoke yourself to somebody for seven years, it's good to make sure they can do what you're paying for for two in a row.
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Very nice Dan
Without using any stats, you made me feel more comfortable about this deal. Holliday is a very good all around player, durable, and should be plenty productive over the life of this contract. Meaning he’s unlikely to be an albatross.
I still don’t like the deal, given the circumstances surrounding it; however, I’m damn happy with Matt Holliday the player.
I am somewhat happy about the "deferred money" part of it
in reality, in terms of the amount of money we actually have to pony up, I imagine it’s closer in overall value to a $16m AAV, which seems more palatable. If DeWitt has literally just taken, I dunno, $7m that WOULD NOT, in any other circumstances, have been available to the team in any way, and invested it in some scheme that ultimately derives the $14m deferred money that Lego ultimately receives, then it’s really only a 7 year, $105m deal from the team’s perspective. That was right about what I’d have been happy to sign him for for 6 years (6/102), so getting the extra year for a couple of mill is gravy.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 7, 2010 5:08 AM EST up reply actions
Yep...
..the deferred moolah was the sparkly new wrinkled that got added to the signing news which pleased me. Overall, he seems worth it, and probably will be for moost of his cowtract, barring injury, except perhaps the last year or two. All the moore reason to push for NOW!
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Deferred Money
Per the Associated Press:
The St. Louis Cardinals will be paying Matt Holliday through 2029 under the $120 million, seven-year contract that is likely to be finalized Thursday.
Holliday will get $17 million a season in salary, but $2 million a year will be deferred without interest, a person familiar with the negotiations told The Associated Press on Wednesday. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because the sides have not announced financial details of the deal, which was subject to a physical.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 7, 2010 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
I would assume insurance
I would assume some of the “deffered” money is going to be used to pay insurance on this deal, a deal this big, even for a guy this durable cries out for insurance.
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
I doubt that the contract is insured
that type of insurance has gotten prohibitively expensive.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 7, 2010 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
And if he blows a rotator cuff this year?
I think they would be nutz not to throw a couple extra million at an insurance company just in case. You could make the conditions very hard to happen too, like he must miss more than two full consecutive seasons, but that would save them if something horrible happened that ended his career less than halfway through.
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
I think it's far more expensive than a couple million bucks per year
And there are all types of exclusions.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 7, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
Why should it be that much?
Insurance companies are betting on the likely outcome, if hte likely outcome is that Holliday will play all 7 seasons or a good chunk of them than insuring even the entire contract shouldn’t cost more than 3M a year (21MM total), or possibly less depending on stipulations.
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
this is helpful to understanding the issue and costs
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jan 7, 2010 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
I still don't see it
Not only is thar article 10 years old but it even says that at that time insirng around 40% of ARod’s deal with Texas (10 years, $252MM) would take about $4MM a year, half the cost of the contract and keep the 40-50% and you could probably insure Holliday for $2M at those rates. Again alot has changed in 10 years so rates may have gone up or down. I also liked the NBA’s insurance policy it described that was a league wide policy convering any injury longer than half a season.
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
Insurance companies aren't betting anything at all. . .
they are pooling risks in order to make money. Big difference.
Given the small universe of MLB players or even professional sports players, frankly, and the freequency with which they are injured, either:
A) the triggers at which coverage starts have to be so insensitive as to render them meaningless, or
B) the premiums have to be so high that they are not cost-effective for the team.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 7, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
insurance is only useful if you can't absorb the worst-case costs yourself
Holliday’s contract is a big investment, but I don’t think the Cardinals would be in financial ruin if he missed a couple full years due to injury.
by brackenthebox on Jan 7, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
Wouldn't be financial ruin
but they probably wouldn’t spend his entire 17MM on the field during that timeframe which would lower the on field product considerably and possibly lower their income at the same time. That is a risk I wouldn’t be willing to take if I owned the team.
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
Was Carpenter's contract insured?
If so, what reimbursement did the Cards get for the 2007 and 2008 seasons?
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--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I thought it was
but that he didn’t miss enough time for it to activate, that is all I remember reading about it. I know people were crying about insurance after Juan got hurt and we found out that his contract wasn’t insured because it wasn’t large enough. Then with the Carp extension I beleive it was Bernie who said it was insured.
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
the cardinals should have the resources to self-insure in this case
paying a middleman doesn’t seem like a good use of resources
by brackenthebox on Jan 7, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
How do you "self insure"?
Insurance is basically betting someone else that something bad will happen to you while hoping it doesn’t happen. The insurance company is betting you that it won’t happen and hoping it won’t. I don’t see how those overlap.
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
Self insure
means you don’t get insurance and you eat the cost.
My company “self insures” against laptop theft for instance. All it means is that if my laptop gets stolen, I start getting and enter a new req for a laptop.
yea
insurance is a way to transfer the risk of a very low probability, very costly event to someone who can better absorb that risk (insurance company). If you yourself can afford to absorb that “very costly event” yourself (e.g. if you can pay for an employee’s laptop if it gets stolen), there is no reason to pay someone else to insure against it.
In this case, I’m saying that the Cardinals should be able to directly absorb the cost of a severe injury to Holliday (either by raising payroll or by just fielding an inferior team) so they don’t need to pay a premium to someone else to absorb the risk.
by brackenthebox on Jan 7, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
in case this isn't obvious
I find it unlikely that insuring baseball contracts is ever a good idea. I’m sure the decision makers are much better informed and smarter than I am, but in general, I’m against insurance unless I am
(a) forced to get it
or
(b) actually insuring against something that I couldn’t possibly afford ony my own (health, house, etc)
by brackenthebox on Jan 7, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
pretty sure that falls under (b) for me
but I’d be happy if it didn’t.
I’m not sure that it falls under (b) for the Cardinals, and even if it did, they could just elect to not entirely replace Holliday’s value on the team. They obviously are able to pay Holliday his contract (or they wouldn’t have signed him to it). Worst case scenario for the Cards is putting Craig or someone similar in left field. I just have trouble with that being a financially ruinous scenario.
by brackenthebox on Jan 7, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
i dont believe in insurance its gambling and I don't believe in it.
just kidding, though I know people who are like that
Not necessarily true
Self insurance can mean that the employer takes money that would be used for insurance premiums and puts it into an investment that has a consistent yield so that in the event that it is needed it has grown to an amount that at least partially covers the loss. In this case the Cards would have to put a substantial sum into the investment vehicle to realize a significant enough return to make it worthwhile which is why I don’t think they would take this route. The insurance companies do the same thing they just have a larger pool of money to invest.
"I learned a long time ago if you keep checking your stats all year, you're going to end up in the toilet." - Chris Carpenter, 2009.
That would seem to be exactly what I posted
The employer/Cards did not buy insurance. They are bearing the cost.
Yeah
Think Kevin Brown.
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by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 7, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
i still think there may be more to the story
i think the orioles were more involved than they let on
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I think we can't know and never will know the truth about whether the Cards were actually the only serious bidders
For all we know, four teams were involved and the Cards barely edged out the Orioles or the Red Sox or the Angels. I’m not sure it’s totally fair to berate Mo for being fleeced, given that we actively know that we don’t know the details.
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There's no question in my mind...
the Yanks, Red Sox, and Angels would have jumped in if five years and less than $100 million would have gotten it done. Juan Rivera, Brett Gardner, and Ellsbury could all easily be traded to make room, and Holliday is a good 3-5 win upgrade for each team.
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by guayzimi on Jan 7, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He’s an excellent baserunner.
This is a really, really good point. Whilst I have no idea what to make of his defense, it’s pretty clear he does the “little things well”. The extra 41 bases he’s taken turning doubles into triples and going first to third (etc etc) are probably worth at least a couple of runs per year, and his ability to steal bases now and again without getting caught too often is particularly useful when you take into account that we may quite often have singles-hitters in the 6 and 7 spot in the order. Although wOBA does take into account base-stealing, I’d have to hazard a guess that, right now, Holliday might be worth a quarter-to-a-half win more than his WARs indicate due to his baserunning ability. That might not be worth much, but over the course of a 7-year deal, it might (in $/WAR value) be worth up to $15m or so.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
The Three Dimensions of Offense
Dave Pinto had a really interesting post on the dimensions of offense and breaking down what component parts, or dimensions, there are.
There are really just three dimensions. (All dimensions listed in what I consider the order of importance.)
1.Getting on base
2.Hitting for power
3.Running the bases
This whole post is worth a read and makes you feel very good about Holliday being a pretty complete player. Here is Pinto on baserunning:
1.Speed
2.Judgment
[a].Taking the extra base (situational judgment)
[b].Reading the pitcher (base stealing)
By Pinto’s breakdown, Dan’s discussion above, which wonderfully spells out ninetieth, is dead on. Holliday is an excellent baserunner. He is very good at getting on-base (as we discussed yesterday) and he hits for power. That is a three-dimensional offensive threat if ever there was one.
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by bgh on Jan 7, 2010 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
My concern about his on-base ability. . .
is that is is more heavily-dependent upon average than I would like. Generally speaking, walk rate is more predictive than batting average.
Honestly, the guys that Holliday remind me the most of as a hitter are Dave Parker and Bill Madlock. Those guys were batting-average dependent almost-sluggers. Holliday walks a bit more than those guys did, and that’s good, if you look at their age 36 and 37 years. While still useful players, you wouldn’t want to pay a 36/37yo Dave PArker of Bill Madlock $17M per, even after adjusting for era. Granted, the comps aren’t perfect; Parker and Madlock’s career paths were interrupted by drugs, IIRC, or at least injury, at about the same age Holliday is now..
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 7, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
I did a Fanpost on Holliday's top 10 historical comparisons...
…from their Age 30 seasons through their Age 37 seasons. Using Bill James’s “Similars” from Baseball-Reference, Parker was the no. 5 “most similar.” You can read the whole post, if you want. I totally understand where you are coming from, however, Holliday’s OBP ISO ranges from 50-80 points, being 81 this year and 89 last year. Parker’s ranged from about 30-60, which means that Parker’s OBP was far more hollow than Holliday’s. Madlock’s appears to be about 40-70 points. Holliday appears to have developed a better batting eye over the last two years. If this is a developed skill, then he will age far better than Parker and Madlock. And, as you state, not doing illict drugs will probably also mean Holliday will age better.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Well, Keith Richards might disagree. . .
but he is probably an outlier.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 7, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
I seem to recall that
Parker got fat as well in his later years. I’m assuming Holliday will take better care of himself.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Jan 7, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
If his current physical condition is any indicator...
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Which can only lead to. . .
LESS PIES!!!
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 7, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
you think working with mcgwire and being in a lineup with pujols
will cause holliday to be a bit more patient?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
If he becomes more patient,
he will be a Weapon of Mass Damage (WMD)—to put a LaRussan twist on the infamous acronym—in the middle of our order. My Lord, would that be an amazing one-two punch.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
'kay, I to lazy to look it up
…but I wonder how pujols’ and lego’s projections compare to manny and ortiz’s productions in 04?
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so long as mark
doesn’t have holliday try things that put him in half-season-long slumps
R.P.O.F.Y.M.
I'm thinkin
Big Mac was all part of a TLR plan in the beginning. Holliday goes to Oakland. TLR wanted him, so he sent Big Mac in the “fix his swing”, causing him to struggle and be put on the market when he was. The plan all along was to hire Big Mac as hitting coach; acquiring Holliday was his test.
(sorry if this theory has already been established)
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its very apropos that Dan should mention baserunning
because I was just recalling that one of the lasting memories from Holliday’s tenure with the Cardinals last season was this game. With the score tied 4-4 in the eighth, Holliday beats out a grounder to third. He steals second, then advances to third on an aggressive sprint when the ball is misplayed. Then he scores on a sac fly to seal the game for us. He basically won the game for us with his feet, and I hope to see more of that this season. Also, if anybody needs further refreshing, it was the game when that old dude face planted onto the field. The ump put the game on hold, and Carp looked like he was gonna luggage the ump, or the dude laying motionless on the field. No mercy from that one, I tell ya.
he also won his first game with the Cards out in Philly with his legs
i hadn’t really thought about that aspect of his game really at all this winter. i’m glad Dan pointed it out because it’s really easy to forget. it just goes to show me he’s way more of a well rounded player than i’ve ever given him credit for.
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gdm will single handedly up their profit margins well into the black
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no. he beats out second basemen by nutmegging them.
almost every time. he was called out by the umps once. then he was called out by the GOBs.
just hope he’s more well-rounded than his skull.
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I did the same
My dad grew up in Normal, IL, where it was a Cubs/Cards mix. I’m glad he chose the Cards, because honestly I’d hate to be a Cubs fan. I was a big McGwire fan during the Home Run Chase as well.
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I'd give him an incentive laden deal.
1 million for every homer. How many of those does he hit these days, like 4? It would be a steal.
Too bad you can't give stat based incentives
I would love to see something like that
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
NPV
We typically don’t talk about NPV of the contract but 8 years at $17 million is about $109 at a 5% discount rate or $13.7 AAV milion a year in today’s dollars. The deferral buys them $5 million of present value by my calculation which is AAV of $13 AAV million. So regardless of how they account for it, they bought themselves 700K a year of NPV with the deferral.
We don’t typically look at NPV, but I feel a lot better about $13 million a year under that logic What we really need now is a lot of inflation in the out years and we’re golden.
I think Boaras settled for a lot less then most people think — the deferral was a way for Boras to look like he got top dollar, but we clearly paid less than original expectations AND the option year is incentive based. Frankly, unless you think Holliday will turn into Mo Vaughn, this is a god deal.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 7, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
i'm now convinced more than ever you're not my son
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Also, when you take into account the teams value
Has been rising at about a 9% annually that beats anything you could get on the market. So the deferred money saves them a lot more than most people think if it is reinvested in the team.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 7, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
Per BP's baserunning stats
2009 -2
2008 +8
2007 +3
2006 -2
2005 -3
These are the EqBRR numbers developed by Dan Fox. Personally, I think they’re a tremendous descriptive statistic but they don’t have a strong year to year correlation outside of the elite baserunners (think Chone Figgins). I don’t know anything about Dewan’s baserunning statistics — and this isn’t meant to imply they are wrong — but a projection based off these rates would probably be no more than 1 or 2 runs positive, if that (depending on regression for age, position, etc.).
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Deal
I really don’t mind this deal at all. I know a lot of people worry about overpaying Holliday. From my perspective, I get to watch him play in a Cardinal uniform and I don’t have to pay him a cent of that contract. My only concern when the Cardinals start handing out Yankee like contracts is: Will they be able to afford to keep Pujols? I worry about losing Pujols to free agency and having only an aging Matt Holliday to show for it.
I don't worry about keeping Pujols
as much as I do about keeping Wainwright. This deal tells me that the team will do whatever, and I mean WHATEVER, is necessary to retain El Hombre. That no longer worries me. However, that “whatever” may require penny pinching elsewhere that makes it more difficult to keep the supporting cast.
by StanTheManFan on Jan 7, 2010 9:19 AM EST up reply actions
The thought of Wagonmaker in another uniform...
just brought a tear to my eye.
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by Futility Infielder on Jan 7, 2010 9:35 AM EST up reply actions
Makes me wonder how many expletives a Braves fan could cram into a sentence about JD Drew
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FWIW. . .
Drew, a superior player to Holliday when both are on the field, will make about $3M less than Holliday this season.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 7, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
Given health,
I don’t know that Drew is superior. If both are healthy, I still don’t know. My belief is that they are about equal, but health and age give the edge to holliday.
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I think Holliday is a much better player
Drew is nothing but potential. Outside of his walk rate, has there ever been a statistic or metric in which he has outperformed Holliday? And no one will ever convince me that he looks like a better player than Matt, because this is JD Drew that we are talking about.
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Drew is a better defender at a touger position.
I can settle this: Let’s just play both of them.
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Unfulfilled potential, too.
An d to be a bit less snarky, performance against AL pitching.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 7, 2010 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
I take the performance against AL pitching with a huge grain of salt
Holliday would have performed quite well in the AL. I have actually had people try to tell me that Pujols is not as great as we think he is, because he doesn’t play in the AL.
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has AL pitching been shown to be better?
I know that it’s been shown that pitchers take a hit going from NL to AL due to the DH, but that shouldn’t impact a hitter’s relative performance.
by brackenthebox on Jan 7, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
I have never seen anything that shows it is better
but my argument was with one of those " the AL is superior baseball" kind of people.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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AL has higher salaries and fewer teams
so it stands to reason that the pitching will, overall, be better.
I think if you mentally list (say) the top 10 pitchers in baseball, it’d be a pretty even mix, but overall I think the feeling is that the higher payrolls in the AL = better players overall.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 8, 2010 7:28 AM EST up reply actions
yeah
NL:
lincecum
haren
carp
waino
halladay
al:
felix
lee
greinke
verlander
vazquez (both borderline)
those were the cy young caliber pitchers last year imo
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Doesn't Pujols
hold a number of records for offense in interleague games? Or, am I wrong here?
Helps when you play the Royals all the time
Individual interleague stats aren’t very reliable due to problems with sample size and homogeneity of opponents
Free Melodi Dushane
I dont know about records
but a .355 .441 .657 1.099 line in 122 games with 36 HR and 115 RBI must be nothing but luck.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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Seriously though, aren't a pretty large amount of those games against the Royals?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
yeah, I posted that before I saw that all4tookies comment made a lot of sense
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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Ah, it's cool
I am not sure why I felt the need to say that with tookies’ comment right there. Whatevs.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
it's all good
a fellow matty comment is always appreciated; except for that one matt
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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do we... do we speak of that one matt?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
who?
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Holliday is better than Drew
.386 wOBA (Drew) to .400 (Holliday) lifetime, and by UZR there’s not much to separate them in the field. And, as you obliquely stated, Holliday’s likely to have at least 100 PAs more than Drew (if not per) in an average season.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 7, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
I don't believe it is on FG
however, last three years, he’s actually a shade lower than that (Drew), and Holliday is way over .400, so recent performance tends to suggest Holliday’s a better hitter.
I think you can readily argue that Drew’s a better defender, mind you, although UZR doesn’t really support it, I’d be inclined to agree with you!
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 7, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
Ok, I can see we've come to a consensus that Holliday is the better player.
But perhaps SouthsideCardsFan’s not completely wrong in that Holliday is probably over-rated whereas Drew is under-rated.
Yes, I know we Cards fans hate him, but he is under-rated.
I dont hate JD Drew...
i feel pity for the guy that he can’t eat our pies anymore.
Drew was underrated simply because of his injury problems
and now I think he’s a bit overrated actually, due to his performance in the 2007 and 2008 postseasons. He’s getting older and has been fragile his whole career, so I’d make him a much bigger risk going forward than Matt Holliday.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
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Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Didn't Drew have an 8.3 WAR year during his lone season in ATL?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Oh, no doubt, he was tremendous
But I think the Braves were hoping for more than the one season. He took the bigg buxx to play for the Dodgers the next year, and the Braves were out exactly one Adam Wainwright. He’s like the Braves Da…Dan…H…ah I forgot what I was talking about.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
HANDS UP!
Put the meme down, and step AWAY from the thread.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
Poor Memes....
Hunted down mercilessly into extinction, like Wholly Rhinos…
:=8(
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
why do ALL the memes have to be extinct?
can’t we save a few? maybe the really, really, good ones?
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
they'll never all be gone
I, for one, will never let the Ludwick one die.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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I think the concensus is that if a meme happens...
…we’re okay, but if we force one then we’ve sinned or something.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 7, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
We're looking at you moo cow
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
the more you call attention to one-person memes
the more they’re going to artificially persist.
I’ve started lots of memes just by carrying them through. the stupid ones don’t continue. the good ones get picked up. the obsolete ones die out on their own, or are too offensive for VEB.
if you call out a stupid meme, and it blows up, them’s how they roll.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Actually, the Dan..something...um.
That one meme was one of the ones I thought was funniest. Perhaps that’s because I was around when it was meme-birthed.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
I think it's great
In part, it’s hard to be overused. And it’s fairly clever, really.
I'm sure that was the worst trade in braves history...
burger king and marquis even contributed!
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 7, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
this picture makes me want to get that boy a neck transplant so his head doesn't snap off.
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
Wainwright
He’s pretty well locked up all the way through 2013 unless he has a severe injury (knocking on wood). He’s cheaper than Lohse for 2010, 2011, and his 2012 club option, and will make $12M in 2013 if the team picks up his 2012 option at $9M.
He’ll be 31 years old at the end of his current contract, Chris Carpenter probably won’t be around (and if he is, he won’t be making $16M per season either), and the Cardinals will hopefully have 2 lower cost pitchers from the farm to help fill out the rotation. If all that happens, it would be easy to re-sign Wainwright to a deal similar to the one we gave Chris Carpenter because he would probably be the only pitcher making more than $10M per season on the Cardinals staff.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Yeah, but
WILL the Cardinals pick up that option if times get hard? That’s why it’s an “option,” after all. You’d certainly think so — $9M isn’t that much money(!) in baseball terms — but it’s always easier to spend someone else’s money.
by StanTheManFan on Jan 7, 2010 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
Doesn't matter "if times get hard"
I can’t believe it would be any worse in 2011 than it is right now, most likely it will be better economically.
Plus, he’s likely to be a below market value at anything less than $12M anyway, so they’d actually be kinda stupid NOT to pick up his option.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Exactly
Even if they have to trade him after picking up the option, you pick up the option.
Mo, you can trade anything of mine.
Vesting option
Don’t forget that if Wainwright finishes in the top 5 of Cy voting those options vest. So, if he has a repeat of 09 in either of the next 2 seasons the question becomes moot.
doesn't he have to finish in the top 5 in BOTH of those years for that to happen?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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Nope
It’s one or the other, and with a top 5 finish the 2012 option jumps from 9 to 10 mil.
hmm, I remember FSM saying it was both
but cots backs you up on that.
That is what I get for trusting FSM
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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geesh, the real world gets in my way of VEB for a couple days
and all hell really does break loose
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
talk about all hell breaking loose
my tivo went and cut short an episode of scrubs, it better be on the freakin internet
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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yeah hulu & abc.com has all their episodes
plus casttv.com if you want to go the illegal route. i missed the shows on tuesday too so i plan on seeing them this weekend maybe. which should tell you all you need to know about the “new” scrubs. in the past i wouldn’t have missed their first showing for anything. now with it being a shell of it’s former self i’ll see them when i see them.
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
i’ve decided it is worth watching, just for the Miller High Life/Security guard guy
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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Dr Cox is the main guy that's saving it me
why is the other security guard always talking into his radio too? i love the big man, but that other dude is annoying.
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
The Cardinals shouldn't do whatever
and I mean WHATEVER is necessary to lock up Pujols.
/Heresy (but its true)
that's Pujols' job
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
by STLRegalia on Jan 7, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Being ridiculous? Or murder?
‘Cause I think I’d believe either.
by arch support on Jan 7, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
that's LUGO's job.
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
All great points
Another point to look at is that the Cardinals, from a lineup perspective, now only need one other .360 wOBA hitter to have a playoff competitive offense, at least by my method of looking at it.
Over the last decade, only one team won the National League pennant without 3 hitters have a .360 wOBA or better who played full time, the 2005 Astros. Even the ’06 Cardinals, who had one of the weaker hitting St. Louis clubs of the decade, managed to have 3 guys (Pujols, Duncan, Rolen) with 300+ AB and a +.360 wOBA.
The ’05 Astros had Lance Berkman Big Puma Fat Elvis at .399 and an out of nowhere year by Morgan Ensberg at .395, with nobody else cracking .350 (Lane and Biggio were their next two best hitters at .347 and .345, respectively). The Astros got to the World Series that year on the strength of their pitching staff, specifically their top three starters (Clemens, Pettitte, Oswalt) and their lights out bullpen (Lidge, Qualls, Wheeler, Springer, Franco), which had an xFIP of 3.74 that year. In the NLCS, their starting pitchers (including Brandon effing Backe) gave up only 10 runs to an above average Cardinal offense that included Pujols, Rolen, Edmonds, and Larry Walker.
Why do I bring this up? Because our 2010 club is shaping up to look a LOT like the 2005 Astros team, with a top heavy rotation, two stellar offensive players, and a bunch of hitters who are around league average. What we really need to hope for is that one of Ludwick or Rasmus can break out and be that third .360 player for us. Ludwick has been that good at the major league level, and Rasmus has that type of potential.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
by fourstick on Jan 7, 2010 9:29 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Rasmus & Luddy
If Rasmus breaks out like all of us know he can and Ludwick comes close to duplicating 2008, the Cards will be fun to watch.
Mo, you can trade anything of mine.
I'd just like to see them both
approach a .360 wOBA. I’m going to go out on a limb and say that Pujols and Holliday will both be .400+ wOBA players next season, and only a few other teams in the big leagues have that kind of 1-2 punch:
- Yankees (A-Rod, Tex)
- Red Sox (Youk, Victor Martinez)
- Brewers (Braun, Prince)
That’s pretty much the list, and Martinez had a career high last year, so you could see the Sox fall off that list next season easily.
I think that bringing Mac in as the hitting coach will probably help both Rasmus and Ludwick (who both has some patience issues last season), but probably Ludwick more, since he’s right handed and hits dingers and all.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
by fourstick on Jan 7, 2010 9:50 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ludwick and Rasmus
Just for reference, Ludwick had a wOBA of .350 in 2007 over 339 PAs, .406 in 2008, and .336 last year. From ‘08 to ’09, Ludwick’s OBP fell from .375 to .329, due to his walk rate falling about 3 percent and his BABIP falling 50 points. He is a bounceback candidate for 2010, especially if he becomes more patient and a bit luckier. James projects a .353 wOBA and CHONE a .356 wOBA., projections which seem to be pretty reasonable.
Rasmus had a wOBA of .311 last season. Unless he just explodes, which is possible, I don’t think he will be that third .360 wOBA batsman. James projects him to have a .330 wOBA and CHONE a .343 wOBA.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Ahhh, but...
…his young, impressionable little mind is still forming, and can be molded to our liking – HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!
;=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
Rasmus
BABIP
2006: .350 in 341 PA at A, .281 in 213 PA at A+ (lowest of any stop with atleast 200 PAs)
2007: .301 in 556 PA at AA
2008: .290 in 287 PA at AAA
2009: .284 in 520 PA so it isn’t unreasonable to expect a jump in batting average just from a slight uptick in his BABIP to somewhere north of .290
But this biggets kicker is BB% (BB/PA, so this is the BB contribution to OBP) (using the same PA numbers above):
2006: 8.7% and 12.6%
2007: 12.9%
2008: 12.9%
2009: 7.1%
If he ups his % by even 3% that raises his OBP by 3%.
His K% is already the lowest it has been since 2006 so the only other place he can raise game up to previous levels is his power, his ISO last year was .156, in 08 it was actually lower at .145 (hopefully the new lower ISO is not an idicator of true ISO) while in 2007 it was .275 and in 06 it was .201 and .160 respectively. Raising his ISO by 20-30 or more points would help him tremendously. A reason for his ISO dip in 08 and 09 may have to do with his speed decreasing at the same timeframe. In 06 and 07 his speed score was over 6.2 at all 3 stops while in 08 it was 4.9 and in 09 it was 4.1. This could indidcate that he is slowing down for some reason (heel injury perhaps?) and is no longer able to legg out as many doubles (his peak 2B%, I calculated this by 2B/H, was 34.38% at A an 28.46% in AA, low was a weird 8.7% in A+ but his AAA and MLB numbers were similar at 18.07% and 18.49% respectively). A similar drop off can be seen in his HRs, at A it was 17.19%, A+ (again a flukey partial season I think) was 10.87%, AA was 22.31% (he liked Springfield I guess) while AAA and MLB were stunningly close at 13.25% and 13.45% respectively.
Whatever happened to him during his 2008 AAA campaign is either still bothering him or has possibly changed the level he can play at. Either way if he can raise his BB% and up his BABIP I think that would do enough to riase his wOBA back to his 08 level of .335.
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
What about Utley and Howard?
Or, Wright and Bay?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Howard has only one season above .400 wOBA
Bay has only one full season above .400 wOBA.
That’s kinda how I did my cutoff.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
And, in Department of the Treasury Field,
I suppose the Wright/Bay duo won’t surpass a .400 wOBA very often.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Citi no longer has any Government money
They have completely paid back the TARP loan with interest.
So you can stop calling it that stupid name now
Albert Pujols is ridiculous.
I know.
But, I like the name “Department of the Treasury Field” and don’t really think it’s too terribly “stupid.” It certainly sounds a lot cooler than “Citi Field.” (For the record, I think Citi has the worst bank name.) Oh, and I was in favor of TARP, but that still doesn’t mean that the sweet Treasury seal shouldn’t be on Man U’s jerseys and the outside of the Mets’ ballpark.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Actually, that would look better on a uni than the bland inaugural season patch the Mets were wearing.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
The awful one that resembled a Domino's Pizza logo?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Mets and Dominos,
delivering disappointment.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Jan 7, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
At Least Domino's...
… is re-making itself to be better; the Mets cowtinue to flounder like…well, a flat, bottom-dwelling fish might.
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
Eh
Domino’s is yuk mixed with a little bleh.
The new one is better
I got it without even knowing they had changed a thing and thought “wow Dominos actually added flavor!”
Not afraid to nitpick
all they added was moar garlic
it’s still craptastic & an insult to real pizza to call it pizza
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Yeah what a boring logo
I’m underwhelmed by the stadium too. Granted, I’ve never been there.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 7, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
The design of it is pretty boring on TV,
but All4Tookie was saying it was nice after he went to a game there last season.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 7, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
It is quite nice.
The facade is cool (I’d probably be ticked if I was a Mets fan, as it is 100% Dodgers), and the concourse is great. Definitely is more kid and family friendly than most parks I have been to.
It is in the Camden, CBP, etc. mold.
Free Melodi Dushane
Uh, no
Bank of America did . maybe you’re thinking of that.
1. Citi has not payed back TARP. To my knowledge, they are in such a hole there’s no way they can. They’ve raised liquidity just to survive. I know they talked about paying back a portion of it in December, but I think they backed out on that.
2. Even if they DO repay TARP, the government currently owns/backs so much of Citi’s debt (hundreds of billions) that if the gov’t were to stop the guarantee program, Citi would immediately fail.
Are you sure?
I thought that Citi did pay back some of its TARP money back in December, and then they had the government eat losses on a ton of its troubled assets.
From the NY Times:
The Treasury Department announced it had received repayments on its Troubled Asset Relief Program investments in Wells Fargo and Citigroup. The total came to $45 billion, bringing the entire amount of repaid funds to $164 billion.
According to the Treasury, Wells Fargo repaid $25 billion under the Capital Purchase Program and Citigroup repaid $20 billion under the Targeted Investment Program, both of which will wind down at the end of this year. The Treasury now estimates that total bank repayments should exceed $175 billion by the end of 2010, cutting total taxpayer exposure to the banks by three-quarters.
In addition, the Treasury, the Federal Reserve, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation and Citigroup terminated the agreement under which the United States government agreed to share losses on a pool of originally $300 billion of Citigroup assets.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
So from that article you know that
1. Citi payed back less than half its TARP
2. The backing for $300b of debt was erased, out of a total of minimum $800b. The gov’t won’t give a figure for Citi’s debt backing – guesses range from $800b to $1.5t.
So, they still owe tens of billions in TARP monies,
and the debt that was erased is also but a fraction?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Yes
Though it’s not debt – it’s debt backing. The government is telling people who hold Citi’s debt “don’t worry, we’re backing Citi.” :
Citibank is in a world of hurt. Really, they should have been folded. And I should have moved my accounts a long time ago. But I should also stop being lazy.
There was a story in the formerly great DM Register
about how Iowans, in large numbers, have closed their accounts with national banks and opened accounts with local banks.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I would do the same if I also were not lazy. I hate Bank of America...
Even if that’s what Adam Dunn would say.
Re: "formerly great DM Register"
We have a former Register employee in our office. She has told me several times that at one time only the NY Times boasted more Pulitzer Prizes than the Register.
That era was a long while ago — I have lived in Des Moines since 1988 and the paper has won a single Pulitzer in that time — but, still impressive. And speaks to the word formerly.
Reason for the fall: Gannett.
Citi
screwed my wife so badly on a credit card for her small business that I will never, ever, do business with them again, under any circumstances.
Wait a minute, wait a minute. I ought to re-word that sentence.
citi = robert redford?
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
Except
they took our money. Doubly indecent of them.
heh heh heh
Your wife’s “small business”
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
i'm surprised that's not green
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Not to mention
that they are rumored to be the biggest borrower from the discount window of the Fed, where interest rates are effectively 0 right now.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Not to nitpick
I think there are a lot more duos capable of a .400 than you list there. That doesn’t diminish how nice it is for the Cards to have two high-probability candidates themselves, but it does suggest it’s not as rare as being one of only four teams in baseball.
There are a lot of guys still on the front end of the development curve that are already at .370, and could easily be predicted to surpass .400 with another half-step of development.
I simply looked at the last two seasons
Then looked at borderline players within .003 of .400 in either of those seasons or who had been over .400 multiple times.
It’s not a scientific analysis at all, and that’s the list.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Fair enough
I looked at the list from 2009, and thought it was pretty cool to see how any under-27 players there were in the .370-390 range. maybe it’s always like that, but it made me look forward to the next wave of players maturing.
howard is like
so overrated
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
V-Mart's wOBA has never broken .400
he came close during his time with the Red Sox last year when it was .399
Starters’ Top 3 wOBA in ’09:
Youk/V-Mart/Bay : .413/.399/.397
Pujols/Holliday/Molina : .449/.423/.337
Mauer/Kubel/Morneau : .438/.383/.371
Heaven has brick walls and St. Peter is a red bird.
by EinFesteBusch on Jan 7, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
i think the point of drop-off is the problem
for the BoSox, it’s not all that precipitous. by October, they had 5 starters with .360+ wOBA and Ellsbury with .354 while the Twins had 4 such starters and Span with .359
the Cardinals resembled something much closer to Jenga.
Heaven has brick walls and St. Peter is a red bird.
by EinFesteBusch on Jan 7, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
indeed.
and you find me in full agreement.
Heaven has brick walls and St. Peter is a red bird.
by EinFesteBusch on Jan 7, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
But the Rays
Zobrist/Bartlett/Longoria/Pena: .408/.389/.380/.374
3 homegrowns and 1 value steal.
Someone oughta do a historical piece on the internal discussions and road mapping the Rays took to start competing on a low budget in the mighty AL East. Seriously, that’s the new Moneyball story if there ever was one. Draft, Develop, and jump on the right personnel from other places. Pena, Bartlett, and even Edwin Jackson. The missed on Burrell, but he was hurt a lot too. Does any team do it better than the Rays?
i think the Rays could actually struggle this year
I know they had some bad luck in some areas in 2009, but Bartlett and Zobrist are due HUGE regressions in my view, and the RedSox and Yankees only got better (again).
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 8, 2010 7:32 AM EST up reply actions
which begs the question
why do you think those two will regress so much? they both had monster years last year and are young…
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 8, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
I don't often rec actual analysis
but I recced this. Very interesting analysis, fourstick.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 7, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
I don't really like your method.
If we have another .350 wOBA hitter or two and maybe a properly leveraged platoon at third/second, our offense should be “playoff competitive”.
The idea that we need at least three .360 wOBA hitters because that’s how the playoffs have shaken out is quite unfounded. Several of the hitters you mentioned weren’t even true-talent .360 wOBA hitters (Duncan, Ensberg), and I’d be willing to bet that this is the case for MANY of the other hitters who happened to put up .360 wOBA lines for those years. What you’re really saying is that in order for a team to be competitive in the playoffs, things have to break the right way for them (getting all-star production from some random scrub, for instance), well no shit.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
Unfounded?
Hardly. Go look at the last 20 years. There are so few teams that win pennants and divisions without at least three .360 wOBA guys in their lineup that it’s pretty credible as a theory. Trust me, I’ve been working on this thesis for quite a while, and I think that you’d be surprised.
Those that do well in these situations without those players usually have an extremely above average rotation (say top 5 in a ten year period good), two ace starters, and from what I’ve found, a very reliable bullpen. Even then, they needed at least 2 guys with wOBA’s above .360.
This isn’t rocket science and it’s not meant to be scientifically raked over the coals. It’s obvious you can win pennants without them, it’s just very rare that it happens. It’s a nice baseline to look at when building a team from year-to-year and trying to mold your offense.
The idea that we need at least three .360 wOBA hitters because that’s how the playoffs have shaken out is quite unfounded. Several of the hitters you mentioned weren’t even true-talent .360 wOBA hitters (Duncan, Ensberg), and I’d be willing to bet that this is the case for MANY of the other hitters who happened to put up .360 wOBA lines for those years. What you’re really saying is that in order for a team to be competitive in the playoffs, things have to break the right way for them (getting all-star production from some random scrub, for instance), well no shit.
What’s your point, exactly? The whole point of the exercise is to show that if you HAVE three hitters that good in your lineup, your chances of playoff success are better. I’m not saying that you need to get lucky with a random scrub, I’m saying that in order to NOT have to get lucky with a random scrub it would make sense to have three of these guys in your lineup with true talent that’s this good — then you don’t have to count on a breakout year from someone like Duncan or Ensberg. The point is that teams with three hitters of this caliber tend to do better in the postseason, that’s it.
If we have another .350 wOBA hitter or two and maybe a properly leveraged platoon at third/second, our offense should be "playoff competitive".
Do you have evidence to back this up? Otherwise your just making an un-educated guess. This is what I really get pissed off about. I’ve looked at the last TWENTY YEARS, and then you try and discredit my theory by making a point that’s completely unfounded. Most playoff simulations I’ve seen indicate that having really good hitters and really good pitchers is a better recipe for postseason success than relying on slightly better than league average hitters who then might break out and be a monster in a short series. You need a good mix of pitching and hitting, obviously, and we have two very good starters in the fold already. I do think Holliday will increase our chances of going deeper in the playoffs despite his 2009 struggles.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
My qualm is that you've picked a pair of numbers, 3 and .360, and decided that those are necessities.
Three all-star hitters on your team correlates with success? What a fucking shocker.
Most playoff simulations I’ve seen indicate that having really good hitters and really good pitchers is a better recipe for postseason success than relying on slightly better than league average hitters who then might break out and be a monster in a short series.
No one is arguing that our hitting and pitching should suck- my argument is that we should look to improve in any way we can (as economically as we can) in order to improve our odds of making the playoffs, and yours is that we should be trying to hit the magic number of three all-star hitters to get us far in the playoffs.
3 and .360 are arbitrary and correlation does not equal causation. Yes, better hitters are better than shittier hitters, but that doesn’t mean that’s the only place our team can improve. Honestly, I just don’t see the point of your thesis- you admit yourself that there are other ways to win, and you make no actual testable predictions to go with your lack of analysis. Would our team be better off with another all-star caliber hitter? Uh, yeah. I still don’t see any reason that arbitrary number should be a priority over better hitting, pitching, or defense.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Jan 7, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh, I get it
3 and .360 are arbitrary and correlation does not equal causation.
Not arbtitrary, as stated “leads to more success over the last 20 year period” and “the 2010 Cardinals are shaping up to look like one of these type of teams”. This is true, as I’ve shown.
There’s no effing way that I’m going to pour any more time into proving causation on this subject, because I get the feeling that no level of causation found is going to be enough for you anyway. You’re not debating, you’re not even supplying evidence that this theory might be wrong, you’re just pissing on the idea because you don’t like the method.
You do realize that not all of us want to pore over huge databases so that we can scientifically prove something to satisfy those how are looking for the smallest margin of error, right? Your analysis sometimes isn’t simplified so it’s easy for others to look at and understand? WAR itself is a simplified calculation. I’m trying to come up with a way for others to look at our team and determine and outlook for 2010 based on past results for our club and others in the major leagues? Is that so hard to understand? I know it doesn’t involve calculus, but neither does UZR, and nobody minds tossing those numbers around like they’re perfect. Anyone can look at our team in Fangraphs and have decent idea of how good our offense has the potential to be and what we might need to make our team more competitive come playoff time by simply looking at this analysis, well, until you starting pissing all over it that is.
You and VEP have been beating the drum all offseason to ramp up our pitching staff while going cheap on position players, and I’ve been trying to point out all offseason that this doesn’t translate to postseason or even regular seasons success all the time. So:
Three all-star hitters on your team correlates with success? What a fucking shocker.
I would posit that it would be a “fucking shocker” to someone who would rather sign Smoltz/Sheets than Holliday that having above average bats on your team would actually render playoff teams more successful, considering that we already have two ace level starters and a solid #3 starter. Sorry if I misinterpreted your humping of the pitching staff to mean that you thought having 5 kick ass starters and a below average offense was a key to winning baseball games.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Also
My qualm is that you’ve picked a pair of numbers, 3 and .360, and decided that those are necessities.
I’ve never said they were “necessary” as in YOU HAVE TO HAVE THIS IN ORDER TO WIN. Never said it.
I’ve simply pointed out that every NLCS team in the past 20 years except for a couple have had this particular trait, and I find that interesting, because having Holliday gives us 2 guys who have this talent level, which should make our offense more competitive.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
No
But I’m sure there are plenty of them too. That’s not really what I’m trying to point out though:
- I would guess that most teams that make the playoffs have this trait.
- Most NLCS teams have this trait more exclusively than others.
- Pennant winning teams have even more exclusivity to this trait.
Obviously you need pitching to win in the postseason and you can’t discount defense, but you can’t just have one great hitter and surround him with a bunch of league average hitters while having great pitching and defense. It just doesn’t work on a regular basis. I’m working on trying to express this graphically, and I think it will make a lot more sense.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
could there be some ascertainment bias?
I’d imagine there aren’t too many teams in history that have been built like (say) the 2009 Cards, with one all-world hitter, a bunch of average-or-worse guys, and great pitching & defense. In that case, it wouldn’t be that surprising that not many of them have made the playoffs.
I think your argument (having a number of good hitters correlates with playoff success) is perfectly sound, btw. I just imagine that the same thing is true for having a number of good starters.
I’m all for signing another quality bat, as well. Branyan would make me very happy, and I think he’s about the only one available now.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 8, 2010 7:39 AM EST up reply actions
Screw it
Next time I’ll just create a formula that makes no sense to anyone here but shows causation in the results.
It’ll never get used, and probably won’t show anything important, but at least I won’t have to defend my method to a bunch of people who have to make everything ridiculously complicated.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
don't screw it FS
I liked your take and while I agree with others that 3 guys with .360 isn’t “required” I also see that you didn’t say that it was, or that it would guarentee us anything. You only drew the parallel that most teams that make it to the NLCS share that quality. I don’t need causation to know that 3 guys with .360 or better is a GOOD thing to have, and that having that increases my chances at the NLCS significantly.
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
Especially,
in the Albert and the 7 Dwarfs context. Having a lone player over .360 in wOBA, no matter how super he is, provides a very stark comparison.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 7, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
You're priveleging run scoring over run prevention,
without actually giving anything but circumstantial evidence that could only weakly support your point even if it were true. The 3/360 number is completely arbitrary. Why not use team average or starters average wOBA? Do the hitters have to be true-talent 360 hitters, or can they be flukes like Duncan or Ensberg (according to your current method, true-talent need not be considered in favor of single season offensive statistics)? Do we not already have a substantial probability that there are already three .360 wOBA hitters on our team? How does 3/360 compare to teams with 4/350, average wOBA’s among their starting nine in the 350s? Is hitting more important (more closely tied to winning) than pitching and defense? Is hitting among the top three players on a roster more important than hitting among the top two or the top four? Why did you use CS teams instead of WS teams?
Also, did you totally ignore the fact that other people have already researched this topic?
[three] key ingredients that strongly correlate with postseason success: a team’s [pitchers’] strikeout rate, or Equivalent K/9 (EqK9), adjusted for a team’s league and ballpark; its quality of defense, or Fielding Runs Above Average (FRAA), an estimate of the runs a defense has saved or cost its pitchers relative to the league average; and its strength of closer, or Win Expectation Above Replacement (WXRL), which measures the wins the closer has saved versus what a replacement-level alternative would have done. In other words, teams that prevent the ball from going into play, catch it when it does and preserve late-inning leads are likely to excel in the playoffs."
Where might guys like John Smoltz and Ben Sheets fit into this already established equation?
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
Nobodies asking you to show causation (actually, I always am, but that's not even the point)
You are essentially saying that, given two teams of equal talent, the team with 3 .360 wOBA players will win in the playoffs more often than the team with better pitching or whatever. That is absolutely unsupportable. Even if the emperical numbers tell you that, the p-value is going to far well below the threshold for significance.
Solution
Where can I get a copy of NL Central hitting stats for individuals by team, dating back for multiple years? For free, of course.
Ah, the Harry Potter bullpen
I always imagined those guys taught at Hogwarts in their spare time, especially Professor Qualls.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
Harry Potter to me never seemed beliveable
I mean seriously a Ginger with 2 friends
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 7, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
and a ginger with women fighting over him?
Wait, I might have said too much about myself already…
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
how many times do i have to tell you,
the sisters fighting over who’s couch you get to sleep on doesn’t count bro
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
the only problem i have with this is that you compare the Cards to the stros
i’m sorry, but the Cards have been, and will always be a better team than that texas abomination of baseball. our guys aren’t all aging fast & pasted their prime like those 05 stros. except for Carp & Franky, all our best players are on the OK side of 30 & show no signs of slowing down. plus they don’t play in that pathetic excuse of a band box that over inflate their numbers to make them look better than they actually are.
i’m coolio with everything else though
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
So what holes are left to fill?
Maybe we can get an updated roster matrix soon?
I know we have the 5th starting pitcher spot open, and some internal options there. What about the pen? I still worry about Franklin somewhat. Sure wish we had a guy that was just a monster out there, rather in middle relief, or as the closer. Hopefully Motte will be better in his second full season.
Matt Holliday. Nuff said.
I think the FO will sign somebody
Springer is likely, Kalero isn’t as likely, but he is still an option that I personally endorse, and Dotel is available. If we don’t like using a prospect as a 4th OF, we could go for someone like Reed Johnson.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Bench
I think you’ll see a lefthanded hitter for the fourth OF slot/bench bat before Johnson. TLR has already started beating the lefthanded bench bat drum.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Ryan Church
I think he would be the perfect fit as the 4th outfielder. I think I saw a report about the cards having interest in him as well.
Church Man
Interesting.
With the signing of Holliday, haven’t the Cards become pretty religious? And I think Church is especially so. Does this start to act as a de facto attractant to other religious FAs? Maybe THAT’S the new Moneyball!
i would be perfectly happy with that
he’s still a pretty good hitter of righties. I think I have more confidence in him as LH bench bat than Jon Jay (who’s probably the current one).
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 8, 2010 7:41 AM EST up reply actions
boo reed johnson.
he’s not a good CF; it’s not clear that he’s actually a good corner outfielder (defensively). he hits at a below average rate. he was worth exactly one run above replacement last year. we’d be better off with jon jay and allen craig. if we want to go outside the org, there’s a ton of cheap options that are good defenders and at least as good at offense – ryan church or gabe gross, for instance.
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
Is he healthy (as healthy as he'll get, anyway)?
I’ve had a man-crush on him ever since he was the baddest man alive in MVP 05. 30 HRs and 50 steals every year for the fantasy drafted St. Louis Cardinals.
by mynameistyler on Jan 7, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
Last I heard he probably could never handle a full-time role again
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
Fortunately...
we’d only need him for about 25-30 games, no?
by mynameistyler on Jan 7, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
he can't even play that much
he’s pretty much a PH now
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Wow, really?
There’s no way that a guy who can’t even be asked to play 25 games has any value.
by mynameistyler on Jan 8, 2010 2:28 AM EST up reply actions
Bullpen right-handers are "fungible."
A reasonable approach is to amass a whole pile of marginal ones and see who’s going to take a big step forward under Duncan’s tutelage. No reason to break the bank (again) to pay for one who was great in the past, but may not be in the future.
by StanTheManFan on Jan 7, 2010 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
They weren't so "fungible" last season.....
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
Franklin
I completely agree about Franklin. The guy scares the sh*t out of me. I really wanted Wagner but can understand why he was not in the Cards’ plan. However, they really need to upgrade the closers spot. Hello John Smoltz.
Mo, you can trade anything of mine.
goold got picked up by rotoworld last night making noises about the cards pursuing springer and tejada and saying
that ryan church could make sense. my impression was that the first two names were from actual sources and the last one was his opinion.
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
I don't know.
Here is the sentence:
One free agent of interest is Ryan Church, a lefthanded-hitting outfielder who was with the Atlanta Braves but was not offered a contract.
That, to me, seems something meatier than merely Goold’s opinion. The article also has this Lopez/Tejada qualifier:
A club source, however, said Holliday’s signing makes it difficult to pursue Tejada or Lopez at their current asking prices.
As for the ’pen, here is that for your mincing:
Octavio Dotel, last with the Chicago White Sox, fits the profile and has drawn interest from the Cardinals before. The return of former Cardinal Russ Springer, who is also a free agent, has also been discussed.
All of these seem to be based on sources to me, but I could be wrong.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 7, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
I don't see anything to imply that Church is anything other than Goold's opinion
A free agent being “of interest” doesn’t imply a source, in my mind. If he’d said “of interest to the club,” that would be different. Could go either way, though.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
To me, I guess, to overly parse a sentence,
“of interest” leaves out any qualifer that would reflect speculation on Goold’s part. And, Goold is a good writer and journalist, which leads me to believe that he would not couch such speculation as source-supported in the cloak of a news article like other, lesser writers. Perhaps my opinion of Goold is clouding the issue, but I took this whole story to be a sourced piece of news as to who the Cards are interested in and may target. Also, while I didn’t included it in my comment, which I also forgot to hyperlink to the story (fixed), TLR is openly bemoaning the lack of the lefthanded bench bat.
…There is not an established lefthanded bat for the bench on the roster.
“I think most baseball people will tell you if you’re going to do anything one way or another, you want righthanded,” La Russa said at the winter meetings. “The goal every winter is you want to try to be as perfect in terms of situations, circumstances that come up, and right now we could use some lefthanders (hitters). Switch-hitting, lefthanded (hitters).”
One free agent of interest is Ryan Church, a lefthanded-hitting outfielder who was with the Atlanta Braves but was not offered a contract.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 7, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
I guess the one thing that makes me think maybe it's a sourced piece of info
Is that this is a PD story, not a post on Bird Land. But I’m still not sure, and obviously we’re splitting hairs.
Perhaps he was being intentionally ambiguous. Sort of an I-heard-this-but-I-didn’t-hear-this thing?
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
Church is the best remaining option IMO
Gross is a fantastic fielder but he’s a stretch to be any more than league-average with the bat vs RHP (and it’s not clear he’s even that good any more), and is awful vs LHP (so he’s no use as a backup CF if Colby struggles vs lefties). I think he’s fairly comparable to Jon Jay.
Gross is a good player, but I don’t think he’s a great fit for us. Church has more left in his bat, I think, so he’s the better choice.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 8, 2010 7:44 AM EST up reply actions
But Gabe Gross went to my alma mater!!!!
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
TLR dreams of McGwire in the playoffs
Even though I don’t see this ever happening, would McGwire being on the active roster reset his HOF eligibility?
Ski is friggin' awesome.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
Disney movie in the making?
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Maybe we should see if Tony can convince Nolan Ryan to be a bullpen coach?
Holliday.
Uh huh, oh yeah.
Holliday.
He will be so nice.
I think that Randy Johnson could be a hell of a loogy/bullpen coach, Give him a ring
"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~
by YesWeOquendo on Jan 7, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
unit doesn't strike me as the coaching type, personally
i could be wrong.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 7, 2010 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
Oh my god...
he’s such a prick the entire staff would be in revolt after the first day of camp… I saw him in action in Arizona for a few years, he came off as unrelentingly moody and dark.
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
ummmm
I think of Carp as unrelentingly moody and dark
"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~
by YesWeOquendo on Jan 7, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
Johnson makes Carp...
look like a regular on Sesame Street.
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
by guayzimi on Jan 7, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Oscar you are so mean! Isn't he kids?, Yeah Oscar! Your a grouch!
BITCH! I LIVE IN A FUCKING TRASHCAN!
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 7, 2010 12:49 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Man...
that made me laugh really hard and I’m not ashamed to say it.
by mynameistyler on Jan 7, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
And you wonder why your kids grow up and step over homeless people on the street
“Get it together, grouch. Get a job, grouch.”
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
for realz? I vividly remember a
“ARE YOU LOOKING AT ME!?! WHY ARE YOU LOOKING AT ME!?!” moment
"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~
We probably just think Carpenter is nicer
because he’s prettier.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
Duncan has always reminded me
of Jon Voight’s character in “Anaconda.”
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Oh man, Jon Voigt would SO play Duncan
in St. Louis Cardinals: The Movie
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
He taught Billy Wagner how to throw a slider
and apparently was a big influence on Brandon Webb. They were talking about it the other day on MLB Net.
by Hardcore Legend on Jan 7, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
"THROW THE DAMN BALL BETTER, YOU STUPID IDIOT!"
by mynameistyler on Jan 7, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
Him and McGwire would have probably the basic coaching philosophy...
McGwire…ok see the ball coming in and jack it over the right field fence.
Big Unit- ok see the catcher’s glove and throw it 100 mph right there.
by ADMDrayson on Jan 7, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
could you imagine the conversation
and ensuing bloodshed over that 500+ footer Mac hit off of Johnson in Seattle? I’d pay to see that.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
It would be like...
…two of the MonStars from Space Jam fighting.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 7, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, it would reset his HOF eligibility, I assume. . .
which might not be so bad for Big Mac, frankly.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 7, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
I think Tony should do it, if only for this reason.
I would love to see the BBWAA excuse for keeping his vote low after they put both Bonds and Clemens in the Hall ( and yes, I think both will get in within 3 years of eligibility).
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
I don't know
Lets ask Brad Thompson
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 7, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions 9 recs
annnnd green
RIP PK
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
which might be the point of the move . . . .
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
Crazy Tony!
I do love me some crazy Tony, except for when I hate it.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
This is the kind of crazy Tony I love
give the BBWAA the big ole middle finger.
by Hardcore Legend on Jan 7, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you know i didn't think of that when i made my remarks in the fanshot about this
i’m now totally & completely on board with this. do it Tony. DO IT ALL NIGHT LONG!
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
by gdm426 on Jan 7, 2010 10:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i heard that on WWL
there was a lot of sputtering expletives.
yet I should not really be surprised, should I? I hope Tony goes back to his grumpy self. he’s probably still mulling over the Herzog-like switch Sweet Lou pulled in Wrigley.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Yes, it would reset his eligibility
Provided that they remain retired, the following is a partial list of former Major League ballplayers who will become eligible for consideration by the BBWAA for election into the Hall of Fame in upcoming years. Players who are eligible have played 10 seasons of Major League Baseball and have been retired from for five full seasons. For example, those players eligible for consideration in 2011 will have played their final game in 2005. Those players eligible for consideration in 2012 will have last played in 2006, etc.
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 7, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
McGwire Pinch Hits
I know ESPN First Take are just monitor-readers, but honestly… suggesting that La Russa could use McGwire as a post-season pinch hitter? And since La Russa didn’t respond unequivocally “No, you morans!” that it may be a real possibility… this is ridiculous.
This is just
La Russa letting his mind wonder and letting a reporter hear it.
by El Hombre 05 on Jan 7, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
Senility...
is a scary thing in print.
by mynameistyler on Jan 7, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
y'know, as long as he doesn't take as long as Lou to get to the mound.
or forget why he came.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Devil's advocate
Bases loaded…Middle reliever on the hill…walk is a run and the guy doesn’t throw heat.
What if McGwire’s been in the cage, swinging well against <90 mph pitches, and can still draw a walk?
Or, even better...
Kirk Gibson revisited!!
(No, I don’t think this will, or should, happen…but c’mon, you can’t tell me that wouldn’t be cool!)
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
I was thinking of Manny Mota
as well as how many OBP holes there were in the lineup in 2009.
Beats a Joe Thurston AB.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
Or the inevitability of an AnKiel AB last year
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
He owes him
that’s all this is. LaRussa pinch-hit for McGwire in his final career AB. That guilt must have been eating at him since 2001.
by Hardcore Legend on Jan 7, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
To me calling McGwire back for a Pinch Hit win 2009
Would be like in the movie “The Running Man” were after Ben Richards kills everyone and they page Captain Freedom to come to the locker room. Than they realize he is actually to old so they just use CGI.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 7, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I thought McGwire coming back as a hitting coach
was bad, but McGwire coming back to pinch hit is just ridiculous – and not in a Pujolsian way.
Best moment I've ever seen at a Cards game in person
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Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!
OT:
I have noticed a lot of talk within threads in different posts about the change within VEB and longing for the old days of lboros. I am in a field where I can hear this talk quite a bit from time to time, and I must say it can be quite irritating. That type of criticism is pretty useless in my opinion, and does little to solve any perceived problem.
Certainly the era of lboros was a great one in VEB history. This community wouldn’t be what it is today without it, or even be here at all. But our current front page posters have all done a tremendous job, especially with such big shoes to fill. Sure it is a bit different at times, but that doesn’t have to be a bad thing.
In fact, the difference in style of our current front page posters has brought a levity to the discussions that I have appreciated, as a former frequent commenter and still avid reader. You have thoroughly entertained me, and judging by the amount of comments and general activity around here in the dead of winter, I am not the only one.
So you guys are doing a great job. Keep it up, and know that tons of us commenters and lurkers appreciate your effort.
"I believe he’s been reincarnated, that he played before, in the twenties and thirties, and he’s back to prove something." - Former teammate Mark McGwire about Albert Pujols
by cardzfan24 on Jan 7, 2010 10:43 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
I don't think...
it’s meant in a way that folks wish all of our current writers were gone. Personally, I loved this blog when lboros was writing… he’s the reason I joined and why I stuck around. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with saying that and I’m sure that’s true for the majority of people, including those in charge today. It’s a reality that forums have the potential to degrade over time, this is caused by both new-comers and the clique-ish old timers, it’s just part of it. That’s not a slight on anybody it’s just the nature of things. I enjoy the contributions of our current blog managers, it’s why I continue to come to this blog every day. If it weren’t any good, you wouldn’t see these crazy amounts of comments in every single blog post… but I don’t think there’s anything wrong with saying that you miss how it was before, because it is different and it’s okay if it’s different and it’s okay if someone wishes it were like it was.
by mynameistyler on Jan 7, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
Sure
But I am referring to some of the snarkier and less helpful posts that have arisen, examples are in the 2009 meme post, and the cursing one that was deleted overnight.
Some people are saying things to diminish the site in its current form, and I disagree with that.
"I believe he’s been reincarnated, that he played before, in the twenties and thirties, and he’s back to prove something." - Former teammate Mark McGwire about Albert Pujols
Fair enough.
I hated most of the memes going around last year and I think it did detract from the blog, but I also think we’re fortunate to have the folks in charge that we do. I would be much less pleased of lboros had simply decided to shut down the blog, I know that much.
by mynameistyler on Jan 7, 2010 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
Tyler, Tyler, Tyler...
…you must learn to embrace the bacon inside you, sir…
;=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
I've embraced...
excessive amounts of bacon, but only for breakfast, lunch, or dinner in a number of varieties. I want my VEB kosher.
by mynameistyler on Jan 7, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
and turkey pastrami and turkey burgers...
man, turkey, why can’t you just be yourself?
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
The Cow will be glad to know
that I’ve made the switch to turkey for just about everything that requires ground beef, especially chili
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
true dat IHB
turkye’s got their own f’in national holiday for cripes sake, Turkey Day. stay away from my bacons
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
I thought they discovered a kosher pig?
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
This is the internet
VEB has been AOL’d in the last couple of years due to mentions in the press etc. If you frequented Usenet forums in the early 90s when millions of AOL users got access to the internet, you know what I mean.
my first internet access was through
AOL and know exactly what your saying, very well put
"Chuck Norris CAN divide by zero"
I miss lboros, but that isn't a dig at Dan
I think alot of people are nostalgic is all. It is like missing Bob Gibson while also watching Carp and Wainwright, it isn’t to say that we don’t like Waino or that we would rather have Gibson, it is just a rememberance of the good ole days and something we will probably do with Dan if he ever hangs up his keyboard and hands the reins over to someone else.
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
Let's stop this subthread after this comment.
As we say time and time again, main threads are not the right place to air grievances about the writing (or grievances about the grievances). There’s a 300+ comment thread about memes and the tone of the site that’s a more appropriate place to put these comments if people want to continue to talk about the subject.
If someone has issues with the site though, the best way is probably to send an e-mail (e-mail addresses are at the bottom of the page) so that they can be addressed.
I’m not discouraging people from commenting “Great post Dan!” but let’s not have another meta sub-thread again.
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
by azruavatar on Jan 7, 2010 11:06 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry
"I believe he’s been reincarnated, that he played before, in the twenties and thirties, and he’s back to prove something." - Former teammate Mark McGwire about Albert Pujols
Thank you.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
What is in the Water in St, Louis???
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100107/ap_on_bi_ge/us_business_shooting_st_louis
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
Tastiness
Number one in America! There’s a correlation between number of murders and tastiness of tap water.
by Mulliganstew on Jan 7, 2010 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
Let's Hope Things Simmer Down....
..after all, we just got a new LF to mash with Prince Albert! Time to Dance in the streets!
CHA CHA CHA CHA MOO MOO, CHA CHA CHA CHA MOO MOO
;=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
I have a Bobby his name is brother
That may actually be the best thing King ever wrote.
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
You say tastiness
I say meth…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
yeah... scary stuff
I work at the sister plant in Jeff City… no one knows what is going on yet.
What happened to our team?
aaaaaaaand the shooter lived three streets away from me
i could walk to his house in five minutes.
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 7, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
This type of analysis...
puts my “fear of commitment” issues w/ Holliday to rest. Much of what I have learned about baseball in recent years has taught me that my eyes have shit for brains, but Holliday just looks like a terrific ballplayer, doesn’t he? Hopefully his broad range of skills (including a BB% that has trended in the right direction the past couple of years) and athleticism will have him producing at a high level until his mid-30s. If this happens, maybe someday we will write scathing reviews of the BBWAA’s decision to not include Holliday in the HOF.
On another note, I’ve noticed some have mentioned a need for a RH option in CF (ie: Reed Johnson). I think this would be the wrong decision. Putting a player like that at TLR’s disposal would, I think, relegate Rasmus to platooning against LHers. Rasmus has shown the ability to be competent against LH pitching in the minors and should play everyday until it is absolutely clear he cannot hit LHers at the ML level. I may be the outlier here, but I’d be perfectly happy w/ an OF of Holliday, Rasmus, Ludwick, Craig, and Mather (if healthy). If Mather isn’t healthy, bring Shane Robinson to StL for the Brian Barton treatment (150ish AB limit).
Bernie
Has a nice write up here comparing other long expensive contracts with that of Holliday’s.
Holliday can run. He hits line drives. He takes walks. He doesn’t always look smooth in left field but scores above average in the metric defensive ratings. Most important, he has a good career on-base percentage of .387.
The OBP is often an effective barometer. The Wells contract is a disaster, but there was a warning in the form of his career .329 OBP. Same with Soriano and his career .326 OBP. Ditto Sosa (.344). Hunter’s career OBP is .330, and so far his skills are intact. But he’s 34 now. Carlos Lee, 33, isn’t much of an OBP guy, so it’ll be interesting to see if he tails off.
The long-term outfielder contracts that hold up well mostly belong to members of the good OBP club: Suzuki (.378), Beltran (.361), Cabrera (.383).
Sure he can be the exception to the rule or injuries can cause everything to be moot. It does make you feel a bit better doesn’t it?
so much to say
this article pisses me the mr eff off because it’s a great example of how Bernie is capable of actually thoughtful and reasonable analysis, but often just chooses not to
surprised to see Hollidays career obp is that high
surprised to see Ichiros career obp is that low. always assumed he was the northwestern god of hitting
and yes, it does make me feel better. the smell test says suzuki, beltran, cabrera, abreu seem to compare to holliday more so than the tori hunters and alfonso sorianos
"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~
by YesWeOquendo on Jan 7, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
Do you ever wonder...
if Bernie realizes that his baseball coverage is massively shown-up by a blog run voluntarily by fans?
by mynameistyler on Jan 7, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not a big Bernie fan
But he does come up with some good thoughts some times. I think one of his issues is that he covers the Cardinals, the Rams, the Blues, Mizzu and SLU. Plus he’ll talk about other teams in the NFL, MLB, NHL, and NBA. And every once in awhile into high school games.
I’m under the belief that the more you cover the less you will know about each subject you are talking about.
I have nothing for Strauss though. Well, maybe he should just stop the late night tweets.
Joe Strauss...
is the only St Louis baseball guy who I truly cannot stand. He has a horrible attitude and always seems as though he’s being bothered when he has to talk about the Cardinals. I can’t wrap my head around the guy.
by mynameistyler on Jan 7, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
I am under the impression that Bernie knows an awful lot more about the more analytical side of baseball than he is allowed to let on. I am just hoping that his editor hold him back, because his bosses at the P-D are more than happy to appease the masses, rather than educate them, and that is what really pisses me off.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
He is very informed about advanced statistics,
and that is what can be so frustrating, as YesWeOquendo states above.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
He's in a tough spot...
He has to write to his audience – not insult anyone’s intelligence, but also not use metrics or concepts that only 10% of fandom is familiar with. It’s basically an impossible task, and he does as good a job as can be expected imo.
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
You don't have to use tERA or wOBA with these folks,
but sometimes he does silly things like use DeRosa’s RBI total to compare him to elite hitters favorably. Also, his blog and his column are different animals with different readerships and sometimes I think that distinction is not appreciated. That said, he uses more advanced stuff on his blog than in his column pretty regularly.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
i think his blog is much better.
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 7, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, I agree ( and my statement totallly got SBN'd)
I actually enjoy reading Bernie’s stuff. I get disappointed sometimes, but I still read. I have been reading his columns for most of my life, and I don’t see that ending anytime soon. And, I think it was a Bernie link back during the summer of ‘06 that led me to this wonderful place, so I really can’t be too hard on the guy after that, youknowwhatimean?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
I like Bernie a lot more on his radio show
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 7, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
I bet I would like that
I need to find out if the podcast that.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
They do record it I beleive
http://www.101espn.com/ about halfway down is the audio archive, you can also live stream it.
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
thanks for that link
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
yes it's recorded
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Kyle Lohse and Steve Young
Asked Lohse about his dealing with Boras and the Cardinals. Also asked about what he thought about the young pitchers who could be taking the 5th spot.
And for those who care, Steve Young talked about the Fan vote for the Football Hall of fame.
bernie led me to this site in january '06
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 7, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
You don't have to cite the statistical details to make good points
You could say that part of what makes Pujols great his his patience and his line drive power w/o citing OBP, walk and LD rates.
VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009
by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 7, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
i think he should insult his audience
the PD morans, the blue hairs & the hoosiers in the STL area need to be shut up once & for all. they are an embarrassment to all Cardinal fans
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Maybe "the less you know"...
Isn’t the correct term. More like the less attention you can give to that subject.
It's like Sherlock Holmes analogizing the mind to an attic,
there is only so much room in it and one must choose what goes into it. If one is a generalist, it would seem that they would odds and ends from all over crammed into their attic while being a specialist enables an attic filled entirely of very specific items from one area.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
like, for example, dinosaur eggs?
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 7, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
I have just installed a picture of Matt Holliday in mine.
Hopefully, it is going to age precipitously over the next 7 years.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 8, 2010 7:46 AM EST up reply actions
The P-D
really lists Bernie’s work phone number on the column? Wow.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
yes.
If you have a problem with him. Give him a call. I’m sure he’ll talk to you if you tell him he you are BGH from VEB….
Haha
After this Fanpost, I doubt he’d talk to me any longer than to tell me to piss off before hanging up on me.
Although, let me say that while I gave him grief for that post about DeRosa, I think this is a well-done column and definitely worth a read.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
It's so annoying...
to read these comments that the Holliday deal is bad b/c the Soriano and Wells deals were bad. There’s a pretty tight correlation between the talent/performance of the player and how well his long-term contract will turn out. Soriano and Wells were never all that good.
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
That's basically what Bernie writes in his column.
And I’m working on a Fanpost about modern comparisons. I may finish it this weekend.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Cool...
I know Rolen, Edmonds, and Pujols all earned their long-term contracts. The Cards are 3-3 so far…
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
Pitchers & Catchers
Have the Cardinals issued a definitive date on when P’s & C’s are due to report?
iirc, 2/17?
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
It's gotta be around there...
the website I was checking yesterday only had dates for a few teams.
by mynameistyler on Jan 7, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
from MLB.com
First date injured players, pitchers and catchers may report to Spring Training is Feb 18
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
and it looks like that is wrong
this site has the yankees and royals reporting the 17th
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
The Cardinals' Official Calendar says.....
…..Feb. 17.
Hot Stove Itis
I saw the 2/17 and thought “who are we paying $8.5 Ma year for?”
Followed by the ridiculously self-important “Do I approve?”
That would be a great birthday present...
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Noah Lowry
I posted in the HS thread but wondered about him. The past few yrs the birds have been rumored to have interest, and now he’s coming off injury. Ching Ming Wang is out there too but lowry may be cheaper… it might be a low risk move
This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers
You don't think the Cards would sign Lowry to anything other than a Minor League deal, do you?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
If you want a depth starting lefty
resign Evan MacLane or find a way to stash Ben Jukich in AAA. Lowry isn’t appreciably better than either of them at this point.
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
I don't think the Cards would sign Lowry,
but, if they did, it would only be a minor-league deal, I would think.
How can we stash Jukich in AAA?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
i expect the giants will probably offer him a MiL deal
if no-one offers him the league minimum to rehab somewhere on a roster. TBH, I think he’s done, but I wouldn’t mind him on a minor league deal. Same with Gagne.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 7, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
Re: Jukich.
You’d have to trade for him. Or, break some part of his body so you can DL him and then “send him on a rehab assignment”.
by arch support on Jan 7, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
That's what I thought.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Or, break some part of his body so you can DL him
How’s he in left field? Because I have a James Loney flyball going spare…
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 7, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
even with serious injury, you have to be on the 25 man for 90 days of the season.
that’s why other clubs don’t have to hide their AAA guys who just had tommy john surgery on their 40 man roster to protect them from the draft.
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
whats a fair trade for Jukich?
A AAA lefty starter, age 26, with no particularly outstanding or horrific stats (K/BB is notable at about 2.1) to repeat AAA. (Supreme Court Justice) Jon Jay? Mark Hamilton?
Some people have their own bowling ball and their own bowling shoes and no friends.
Not Jon Jay.
I have a Topps baseball card of the first Chief Justice that I am waiting oh so patiently to pair with a Topps baseball card of Cardinal outfielder Jon Jay. Do not deny me this.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 7, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
i still have hope for Jon Jay
He seems like a good 4th OFer, Pinch runner, and defensive sub
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 7, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
Can I start the nickname "Chief Justice" for him?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 7, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
You don't ask
You just start using it, and if people like it, it’ll catch on.
I, for one, will use it.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
i'm wondering if we get parisi back if he wouldn't be a fair trade piece.
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
this make me sad, i used to love me some noah lowry
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Holy crap, exhibition game in early April at the new Target Field
in MN? I don’t wanna see our guys tripping on frozen turf.
How in heck can that field have natural grass?
Similar to the Arizona football stadium...
they roll the grass on railroad tracks into an indoor greenhouse facility.
by mynameistyler on Jan 7, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
Heh
The pics seem to leave that out. It must be underground!
Going heating coils in the field
all Lambeau style… at least they should so we can hear about how great the coils work with the excellent drainage the field has…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
I am actually planning on going up there that weekend.
I want to see some old friends in Minneapolis, and Cardinal baseball seems like as good a reason as any to actually get my butt up there and do some visiting.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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there's a joke in here about the angle of our dangle
but i’ll be damned if i’m going to be the one to make it
and rec’d. i also vote for our wang. f this winter already. i’m up to my ass in snow out here & i’m sick of it. we got 3+ more months of this garbage & if i make it out alive it will take an act of the GOB’s.
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
why can't you do both?
If some of my friends around here would get off the pot and get some plans set, I might be going to the Keys in late Feb or early March.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
some of us didn't win the powerball bro
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
I'm just hackin into bank accounts to pay for it bro
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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oh GOB's forbid he do anything to help make my dream come true
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
viva el bar!
I’m on board
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 8, 2010 12:35 AM EST up reply actions
you better be, you're in charge of the music
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
I have some pointers for the beer menu too
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 8, 2010 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
cool, i'm going to need all the help i can get
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
spring training would be awesome
i’ve never been to a game. gonna try and do it this year
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Tickets??????
how does one acquire these? I would assume that they would be in extreme high demand since that will be one of the first ball games in the new stadium. I have looked all over mlb.com and have not seen anything about when/if tickets are available.
What happened to our team?
I called the Twins ticket office
individual ticket sales for those games go on sale March 13
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
I've been throwing my hands up at that for months
I’m tired of me. however, there was a really funny thread about Colby getting lost in the tundra and Boog eventually finding him. that’s worth digging out.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
there was an Ice Storm reference that disturbed me, as well.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Roster Matrix
I’m trying my hand at making my own roster matrix right now, but I’m having trouble with deferred stuff
For Holliday’s, do I put down $15 mil. from 2010-2016?
For Pujols, it says, “$12M ($3M/year, 2007-10) deferred without interest, to be paid in 10 installments of $1.2M from 2020 to 2029,” so are we actually only paying him $13 this year?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
No...
I don’t know how the Cards do it, or how they say they do it, but I would attach the salary paid to the year the service was rendered. If Pujols defered his entire salary, would he be “free” this year. No.
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
apparently they (the org) include deferred money as part of their yearly budget
so, what you said.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 7, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
Pujols's money is deferred without interest,
while I think Holliday’s is not…I think that means you could technically keep Pujols extra money out of the budget.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
In which case to be completely accurate you would include some fraction of the deferred money, right?
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
A good starting point
is Cot’s Baseball Contracts, which has these nifty spreadsheets.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Will McGwire be wearing #25 this year as the hitting coach?
And will that make it possible for us to order his jersey from MLB.com?
I guess we'll find out soon!
I would like a McGwire t-shirt jersey. I’m cheap.
Now with extra feisty!
Last night I passed out in a drunken stupor
Only to wake up wearing a McRae jersey
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 7, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
you could always
order his jersey from mlb.com
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
No
you can’t. I just tried to personalize one and it says you can’t personalize players current and past.
But I can order a Dave Duncan personalize jersey.
by Hardcore Legend on Jan 7, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
Why is there...
this rule against that? You can buy certain current player jerseys, why not be able to make one on your own?
by mynameistyler on Jan 7, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
Whats odd is
its only for certain players. you can make a Vince Coleman one (and probably nearly every other former player), but not a McGwire one.
I couldn't do a carlton jersey either
Go Broncos!!
by from First to Third on Jan 7, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
I'd imagine
if Mitchell & Ness sells a jersey of the player you probably can’t go the affordable route. Baseball’s good at making money like that…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
It's always been this way
They don’t want you ordering past players.
But they are more than happy to sell you Rick Ankiel Authentic at $275!!!
by Hardcore Legend on Jan 7, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
BAZINGA
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
The poor kid...
with the last name of McGwire who happens to wear #25 after his favorite baseball player Kaz Matsui must be sorely disappointed.
…okay, so that’s a reach.
by mynameistyler on Jan 7, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
a reach?
tell that to little tatsuhiro mcgwire.
by DanUpBaby on Jan 7, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I didn't think...
Mark ever did the MLB tour to Japan?
by mynameistyler on Jan 7, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
lol'd & rec'd
turn this thing green!
Best moment I've ever seen at a Cards game in person
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Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!
I just did...
quite some time later…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
wow
that is tarded
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Ooh, that does burn.
We could do a whole series of What Might Have Been jerseys.
Now with extra feisty!
damn girl that hurts almost as bad as one of your stabbins
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
I've always liked my half baked idea
of a #12 Liability or #12 Albatross Cubs jersey…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
wait for it
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
I can order a #55 Dan Haren
jersey though.
Ouch, it burns!!!
Mysteriously, the letters completely fade after a couple of washes…
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 8, 2010 7:52 AM EST up reply actions
The jersey goes back to the future???
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Speaking of which
if anyone ever stumbles upon a Renteria authentic in a size 48, please…please…please, let me know. I’ll take either a 2001-2003 Rawlings or 2004 Majestic.
by Hardcore Legend on Jan 7, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
I think McGwire
will be back in # 25.
Best moment I've ever seen at a Cards game in person
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Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!
goes well with the black spots?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I just saw this story at Yahoo Sports:
Hall still undecided about Dawson’s hat
From the article: “The Hall of Fame has not decided which team’s logo will go on Andre Dawson’s bronze plaque. Hall president Jeff Idelson says that while the museum has final say, the Hall makes its decision with the player.”
That’s kind of lame. I was always under the impression that the decision was entirely the player’s (although it sounds like that may more or less be true unofficially).
I think it was...
until someone tried to sell their hat to the highest bidding team. Or that may just be an old rumor…
by mynameistyler on Jan 7, 2010 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
Did he do that just to piss off Boston?
I don’t remember – was there a lot of bad blood when he left?
by BTown Birds fan on Jan 7, 2010 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
There was a rumor that TB offered him money to select a TB cap.
He’s wearing a BOS cap in the hall.
Now with extra feisty!
He probably just wanted to be the first Devil Ray in the HOF
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
I had heard
he grew up in Tampa and wanted to give a nod to the new team… Could be totally wrong about that though…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
it was him & winfield because they both were going to get paid for their hats
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
10 seasons in Montreal
he should go in Expos.
by Hardcore Legend on Jan 7, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
He'll always be a Cub in my mind, but that has more to do with how old I was
when he was playing in Montreal vs. Chicago. Less personally, I’d agree Montreal makes more sense. On the other hand, most of us were pretty happy to hear McGwire say he’d go in as a Cardinal, even though he played much longer in Oakland. Kind of a moot point now though….
by BTown Birds fan on Jan 7, 2010 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
He got in mostly for his numbers in Montreal:
- 6 of his 8 GG
- 253 of his 314 SB
- Over half of his homers.
- OPS+ with the Expos: 122; With Chicago: 125 (I found this to be kinda interesting, I thought he was a far better player in Montreal.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
didn't it have to be much easier to hit with half your games in Wrigley
rather than Stade Olympique? Or does OPS+ take into account the park factors? I can never remember.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
His two BEST seasons were in Montreal
which is why I thought his OPS+ there would be a lot better. He did have some real knee issues from playing on the turf though, and that seemed to hurt his production late in his career there.
I guess you could make the case that without his numbers for the Cubs he wouldn’t have a shot at the HOF, because any more playing on turf probably ends his career prematurely.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Rumor
at the time was that he was so determined to play on grass, he sent the cubs a blank contract and asked ’em to fill it in.
True but false
He gave them a blank contract because “he wanted to play there so much” but in reality, thanks to collusion, they could have wrote a blank check regardless. He just took the reigns on the media and told the story his way.
I don't follow you
I’d like to, but I don’t know what you’re saying.
Elaborate?
That offseason
player salaries went down 15% while revenues had gone up 16% (it was the second time charges of collisions were officially filed). Dawson was the only star player who bothered filing for free agency, knowing that he’d get dicked over by the Cubs he did the “blank check” strategy and, (frank) viola, he looks awesome!
fyp
didn’t it have to be much easier to hit with half your games in Wrigley rather than Stade Olympique in french?
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
I still say the French do everything better
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
I'll come back to this during dating advice hours
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
liar liar you wee wee cheap win lovin, moldy cheese eating, America hatin, pantaloons on fire
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
win=wine F U SBN
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
adam dunn
on my veb?
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Made his numbers in Montreal
but made the hall of fame in Chicago.. Without WGN he doesn’t get in, instead he’s Tim Raines at 25%. I bet he goes in with a Cubs hat.
Just win
He's going in as a Marlin
who can for get those immortal years he had of ummm putting on their uniform…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Catfish Hunter
according what I heard last evening on mlb on xm, Catfish Hunter’s plaque does not have a team logo on the cap. He didn’t want to ruin his relationship with Finley or Stienbrenner by choosing one over the other. Either Kevin Kennedy or Rob Dibble was the one who brought up this nugget.
Not sure if nexdef'd
but Waino says Big Mac should be in the Hall
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Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!
Why is Waino...
talking about who belongs in the Hall? No slight to him, but uh… it’s not really his place.
by mynameistyler on Jan 7, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
No...
but it’s one of those things where, if you’re actually involved in the game and you’re still a young player, there are certain things you might want to reserve outspoken opinions on. I’m just a little surprised a younger guy who is relatively new in the game would be willing to address the Hall of freaking Fame.
by mynameistyler on Jan 7, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
when it's the offseason, and it's after Fantasy Handegg, that's when they trade baseball cards
Wainer was musing aloud while trying to trick Boog out of his DiMaggio.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
he can't have an opinion?
i think you better stay out of A.D.A.M’s path
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
On a different note
Wainwright was the keynote speaker Thursday at the Missouri governor’s annual prayer breakfast in Jefferson City.
Why does the governor have a “prayer breakfast”? (I guess I’ll just leave it at that to avoid religious/political debate.)
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
Because anybody going into budget negotiations needs all the help he can get?
ceterum censeo, delendo est Joe Strauss
My governor asked the citizens of the state to pray for rain during a drought a couple of years ago
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
Because he needs to jones for votes
with a particular segment of his voting population.
don't you think probably someone randomly decided to ask him?
he has to answer at that point.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
No he doesn't...
an, “I think I’ll reserve judgement on the writers’ decision.” I don’t see anything wrong with avoiding that question when it’s something as big as the HOF.
by mynameistyler on Jan 7, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think there's anything wrong with a current player talking about this.
Now with extra feisty!
Fair enough...
It’s something that I think is best to reserve judgement on.
by mynameistyler on Jan 7, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
you couldn't be more wrong tyler
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
6ly?
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
I just thought it was same weird word.
I think I may have mild dyslexia or something because I do stuff like that all the time. I thought it is myan… something.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
hahahhaha
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
He's kissing ass
because he wants to learn how to hit dingers this spring. Chicks dig the long ball, you know.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
by fourstick on Jan 7, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I just can't resist
posting this.
Best moment I've ever seen at a Cards game in person
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Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!
huh, weird
I would think, w/o knowing what Waino’s particular areas of specialized knowledge are, that it’d be exactly his place to talk about who he thinks should be in the hall of fame. I can’t think of much he’d be more qualified and able to talk about than “who’s really good at baseball.”
OTOH, I don’t think it’s Waino’s place to comment on our country’s current strategy in Afghanistan. Of course, he could spend his offseason working for a national security oriented think tank; and if he did, I’d re-think my position on that.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jan 7, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
can anyone else
get the link to work that talks about tony mentioning the possibility of mac being on the 25 man roster?
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
thanks
does this not seem absurd to anyone else? i don’t see him still being able to hit major league pitching as very likely. in fact, i would bet that joe thurston would probably be a better pinch hitter
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
you think mac
at age 46 or 47 will be able to bet on base at a better than .316 clip? i don’t
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Well, Mac went back and touched first, I know that.
Now with extra feisty!
by spants on Jan 7, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions 10 recs
oh no she did not just go there!
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
okay
then rick ankiel
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right
but i bet he gets on base better than a 47 year old mark mcgwire
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Probably.
I wonder if Mac couldn’t work a few more walks than Rick, though. I don’t think Mac could face the league’s best pitching, for sure. But maybe the league’s worst…
Seriously, I have no idea. Athletes are such freaks. He could be aging quite well.
Now with extra feisty!
I am not s sure of that
Mac had an eye that told him not to swing at every ball that was more than 2 inches off the ground**
* * slightly hyperbolic
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
true
i’m sure he still has a good eye, but it wouldn’t necessary to pitch to him like before. they could prbably just blow fastballs by him and when he starts to catch up, give him some off speed
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
I'm just saying it is worth a try
if we are cruising along towards the end of August. What is the worst that can happen, we take an PA away from a MIF PH?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Ironically doesn't Mac
have something like 20/600 vision or something painfully awful like that?
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
I would PH 46-year-old McGwire over Ankiel.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 7, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
i don't think you guys remember how bad McGwire got near the end
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 7, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, yeah, what spants said
I am sure his knee has healed quite nicely in the last 9 years.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
i thought he got a new one? or at least the old one fixed?
either way, yeah i trust him over dick any day of the week & twice on sundays
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Oh, I remember.
It was painful to watch. Perhaps my problem is that I remember just how bad Ankiel got near the end better because it is fresher in my mind.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 7, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
I would PH a 79 year old Clint Eastwood over AnKiel
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 7, 2010 5:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
But only if we play the theme music from
The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly as he walked to the plate. I know if I were a pitcher that’d make me crap my pants…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
i love spants, i don't care who knows it
but if her big ass husband asks, i was never here. i like having the full use of my legs
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
by gdm426 on Jan 7, 2010 11:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If he has any power at all,
with his eye……yes……and also, what spants said.
I honestly don’t think this is a possibility though.
* is an Asshat
that's not the point, though
i’m sure he can still hit ‘em out against a pitching machine all day long. but if he hasn’t faced a ML pitcher in what, 8 or 9 years how well is he gonna be able to distinguish lincecum’s fb from his ch?
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Presumably
They’d have the figured out beforehand.
Some reps in the batting cage, you know, and against Sept callups in meaningless games.
Maybe he's been. . .
on the juice while not subject to baseball’s rules working out really hard
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 7, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
This is honestly the dumbest baseball rumor I have heard in awhile
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 7, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
it is totally Tony messing with people
but it would be awesome, if just to reset his HOF clock.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
The only thing that concerns me
is team chemistry. For example, Pujols, with his foot problems, we all know he hardly busts it down the line on routine grounders and stuff like that. Holliday, on the other hand, is more in the mode of an Eckstein. I’m just a little worried that, considering the two superstars are similar age, things like that could get under Holliday’s skin over time. Or Albert could find it difficult to share the spotlight. Intangibles like that. I will be put at ease if I see lots of genuine, sincere backslapping between the two and not just the courteous, “good teammate” kind that I picked up on last year after Holliday was acquired.
As for projected stats and things of that nature considering Holliday alone, I think it was a good deal.
Simba for the HOF!
Albert has far more lower-body issues than Holliday.
Further, Albert is super slow while Holliday is fairly fast and can leg out infield singles. If Holliday gets his knickers in a twist over that, then I guess we’ll have an issue.
Now with extra feisty!
yah, if Holliday gets upset about pujols not legging out singles, he can deal with it or not
i think he’d be fine over it though, because Pujols does seem to work very hard and doesn’t seem to feel over-entitled.
maybe not matt, but al is going to one-up his performance last year and pick on the mang.
i feel it coming.
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
well then maybe he can get canned
and we can get Matheny in the booth
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
no, no
let Matheny have his time with his kids so he can come back as coach!!
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Eldred then.
Or bring back Ozzie. I really don’t care, I am just tired of AL’s attitude and ineptitude.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
VINCE
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
He wants a job with the team
I’m sold. Now I need to find the link to that game (hint, hint).
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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crap, I closed the tab
I believe it’s Vince Coleman Overflow thread
the trouble is, the guys who heard him on the radio with Shannon reported in later, possibly even the next day. so it’s spread out.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
that was it, so awesome was that thread
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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I was concerned about the Man Stew from the get-go
but in a few weeks, Holliday fit right in. He already knew Skippy from before, and Brendan Ryan is his new best buddy.
Also, dude, Albert “knew a guy” and hooked him up with a car within a day of arriving. Matt’s kid idolizes him. I don’t think there’ll be much problem getting along.
much of the team chemistry on the Cards is not about the spotlight but more about the fact that most of these guys are fathers with young kids.
if you wanna worry about team chemistry, worry about whether Matt Holliday runs afoul of Chris F. Carpenter.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
first,
i want holliday to have more SBs than albert in a given year before he complains about any of that
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
baby steps
more than Brendan Ryan.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Are you saying
that Holliday may activate angry man Al yelling at Yadi mode?
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
by ducttape16 on Jan 8, 2010 1:01 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
dang I am impressed
Assonance and alliteration in the same sentence. Rec and gold star goes to you Mr Tape.
Some people have their own bowling ball and their own bowling shoes and no friends.
I'd like to say it was intentional
but that would be a bold faced lie…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
only when he's old?
I think Matt will just withhold high-fives.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Holy crap
did he just use the “c” word?
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 8, 2010 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
Holliday presser
going on now
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welcome
and, to my surprise, Holliday has a new number – 7.
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
bye bye shersey :(
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 7, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
He also made a joke!
Not a particularly funny one, but a joke nonetheless.
I also detect slightly more inflection in his voice at times. He’s cutting loose, people!
Now with extra feisty!
always so important to women...
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 7, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
suit up boy!
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
what was the joke?
i missed it. also is there somewhere i can replay it?
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
I'm going to go back to fsnmidwest sometime in the next hour or so
and see if it’s up as a replay. Or the facebook page if you have facebook and stuff.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
what's the facebook page?
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Just search Fox Sports Midwest.
It should come up.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
i tried that
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
http://www.facebook.com/search/?q=fox+sports+midwest&init=quick
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
googling it worked, though
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
says "check back soon for the archive"
here if anyone is interested
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
That's weird.
That’s how I found it. Facebook is crazy.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
I have a friend who works for Facebook
And from the stories I hear, I sometimes think that site is held together mostly with Elmer’s glue and prayers.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
That makes me nervous.
I don’t know how I’d live without Facebook even with it’s craziness.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
I'm pretty sure I have a problem too
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
I never understood the draw of social networks
I got all these people that I haven’t talked to in 10 years want to be my friend
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 7, 2010 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
Those people suck
Just reject them.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
I don't have those people.
Because I still talked to everyone when they became my friends. Now I just keep track of people.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
it seems to be more of a girl thing than a guy thing
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 7, 2010 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
I am rather paranoid person also about putting so much info
About myself on the internet.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 7, 2010 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
THIS THIS THIS
a bizziontrillion times this
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
hey now...
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
isn't this somewhat of a social network?
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
To me a social network is more about
Reconnecting with people you already now. While this is a community based around our love of the Cardinals.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 7, 2010 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
i have no problem living outside the matrix
more people should give it a whirl
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Someone asked him how often he talked to Scott.
He was like “Scott? Scott who? Oh this guy?” and pointed to Boras.
Now with extra feisty!
HAHAHA
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
I must see this.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
Switched numbers
b/c 15 was Edmonds’ number, and he had a good career. Also, Mantle wore 7 and he’s from OK, and Holliday likes single-digit uni numbers. Offered Albert a watch for #5, haha.
Now with extra feisty!
well I like him even more now for giving kudos to JEd
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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who was the last 7 not to be affected by the jinx?
an no, I am not counting Luna ( although he didnt exactly stink like AK)
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Wow.
All I can say is, any list that involves the immortal Geronimo Pena is a quality one.
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
so what I get out of this
is that no one has had luck with that # for more than 1 or 2 years since Medwick?**
Matt, I think that means you have to win the Triple Crown this year to end the jinx!
* * Sorry, I dont recall Solly Hemus, but that is one helluva name.
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this thread is full of ñ
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 7, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Cesar had an awesome half a season
I wonder if I can get that jersey?
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Good.
No. 15 is Jim Edmonds.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 7, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
Tim McCarver
Would like a word with you.
by Hardcore Legend on Jan 7, 2010 6:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Would he
blab bgh’s ears off, just like he does during broadcasts?
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eff, I missed the first part
my dad called to say a family friend might’ve died. someone fill me in plz?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
is he talking about the nutshot
whoa…
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
thanks!
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
He mentioned that he feels it's his duty to be in as good as shape as possible.
That he’s excited to work with Mac. That he thinks LaRussa is going to stick around a long time.
Now with extra feisty!
I can't believe I am gonna say this, but...
I am ready to settle in with Tony to make a run at McGraw Mack. Tony does annoy the hell out of me sometimes (and damn it, I am allowed to voice my annoyance!), but you can’t argue with the fact that crazy Tony leads to some fun times.* *
* *I reserve the right to change my mind if we continue to have late season collapses.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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My feeling is that
LaRussa is quirky and frustrating, but he’s less frustrating than other managers usually are. He can stay as far as I’m concerned.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
he is less than 1200 behind
TLR til 2025!
Let’s get started on the bumper stickers!
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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100+ wins the next 4 years will help
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
i don't think my liver can take that
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
when Mo stood up, did he clang?
hmmm.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I feel like some meat lover's pizza!
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
with extra bacon!
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
so i went to bed at the semi late hour of 12:30 CT
and woke up to find SIX HUNDRED NEW COMMENTS on last night’s thread. what the fuck happened? i thought we were getting rid of memes and such. 1,500 comment threads don’t do well for the new kids.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 7, 2010 4:13 PM EST reply actions
so no bacon?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 7, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
just got through it
wow.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 7, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
it was strange, I don't ever remember that buy being like that
but boy did he ever go off last night
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WOW
forgot about that. what a tool.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 7, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
You went to bed at noon?
man my job annoys me even MORE now.
ha
AM. i was up at 7:30 and drove to work in the snow.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 7, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
we were talkin to some cubs sbn brethren
it was good times.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
i take it it's best i if just never read that thread
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
it's possible gdm gets himself banned if he reads that thread
don’t do it man!
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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oh boy now i want to read it
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Just keep in mind that the troll has already been banned.
I still couldn’t believe seeing 700+ comments overnight.
* is an Asshat
I'm actually glad I went to bed at a decent hour
it got crazy in there.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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I can't believe you actually got out a yearbook.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
it was in arm's reach
and i was heckaz bored…..had never even heard of the guy, which was disappointing.
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
what? guess i shoud read it
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
i'm sure they are gone now
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
the cubbie visitors posted it
apparently they thought our profanity = NSFW pics.
it’s ok, they’re cubs fans. they’ve been conditioned all their lives.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
so a #15 holliday shersey
cool or out of date?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 7, 2010 4:16 PM EST reply actions
yeah i'm thinking this same thing
oh well. i don’t have another 30 bucks to drop for his #7. i will stay wearing his #15 to games and claim i’m an awesome fan because i bought his shersey right away.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 7, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
DeWitt and Holliday agreed to put a number change in the contract,
so they can sell more merchandise.
/half-joking
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 7, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
#7 sells more than #15
or are you talking about the bums like me that bought #15 merchandise and now have to change?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 7, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
i'm so irrationally pissed right now
you have no idea.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 7, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
haha
You have a rare item! Put it in a ziploc bag and a cedar closet or chest. Preserve that b*tch.
Now with extra feisty!
i'm thinking about it.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 7, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
My immediate thought was how annoyed I'd be if I had dropped $20 on a Holliday #15 t-shirt or something.
I feel for the folks, like you, who did just that.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 7, 2010 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
like i said....considerably irrationally pissed over here.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 7, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
I was holiday shopping
out at Scheels, and they had Holliday and Ankiel jerseys on sale for around 30 bucks. I was tempted, very tempted.
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I think it's cool
my friend has an 88 torry holt jersey of which I’ve always been jealous.
by brackenthebox on Jan 7, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
oh man that's baller
was that just his rookie year? i forget.
also, who was wearing it then. was it az?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 7, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
I think he wore 88 for a couple years, and ya, Az was 81 during that time
My friend’s jersey is from his rookie year though, so it’s royal blue and yellow instead of navy and gold.
by brackenthebox on Jan 7, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
BALLER
that’s legit.
and i’m sure he wore 88 until az left. after the 2000 playoff game that we are not going to talk about.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 7, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
What the f is a shersey?
A female jersey?
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
fine
i will call it a tee shirt jersey from now on.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 7, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
Mister Eff has some serious influence around here
remember, spants is the one with the knife
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Ah
I got a Wainwright one…mostly out of cheapness
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
I have a few.
I have a three Pujols t-shirt jerseys: One regular, one w/ World Series logo on arm, one El Hombre. I also have an Ankiel, bought in the afterglow of his first call-up as a hitter.
Hubby has a Taguchi and a Molina. I might have a Molina, too.
I want a Carpenter, a Wainwright, and a Holliday.
Now with extra feisty!
I have a WW, APU, Luddy, and Ank
I also have Edmonds, Morris, and Rolen.
I need to get a Molina, Carp, and Rasmus. I’ve still yet to see one for Boog.
yes, I have a t-shirt jersey addiction
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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Rasmus! That's the other one I want.
I like to get youth XL because they fit better. Men’s shirts are too long and I don’t like how tiny the logo and numbers are on women’s shirts. Anyway, it’s harder to find good shirts in youth sizes.
Now with extra feisty!
yeah, women get jipped with the shirts
they obviously don’t wear men’s shirts and the women’s shirts are bastardized.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 7, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
i'm obtaining one as well
which is dangerous since they go for 25 a pop. the cardinals clubhouse at the galleria is a very dangerous place for me.
and now i’ve discovered blues tee shirt jerseys from reebok. don’t even get me started on those.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 7, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
I need a Rasmus Jersey.
I have a bunch t-shirt jerseys but only one jersey (Grady). I need a Rasmus one.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
I have:
Carp, Wainwright, Rolen, Morris, Shannon, Hancock, and Barton T-jerseys, a Laga BP jersey, a road Rolen jersey, Edmonds and McBride home jerseys, and a Forsch powder blue throwback.
That’s too many, isn’t it?
DAMN
can i come over a steal a few?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 7, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
grudz, wow.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 7, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
but we live so close!
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 7, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
the navy jersey sjirts
are the shit. my colby one is navy
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
how the hell did you get a Shannon one?
I need to get me one of those
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the Laga one
is that one of the old BP jerseys with the STL on the front, and v necked?
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oh man, that is so awesome
I always wanted one of those.
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I have a green jersey, and a Pujols jersey as well.
I never wear them, though.
Now with extra feisty!
I have a McGwire Jersey
but it is just too damn hot to wear to a game. I honestly don’t see how people survive wearing them to games during the summer. Hell, I usually have to wear my half-shirt to the June, July, August games.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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jimmy?
15 is available. think you can suit up as a 4th OF/PH?
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
I will wear my half-shirt to VEB day
if I can get a beer from all VEB’ers.
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You have to tie the shirt in a knot.
And walk around real slinky-like…
I’ll buy you two beers.
by mynameistyler on Jan 7, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
Hubby wears them, but with a bra and a shirt underneath, I just wilt. Too many layers.
Now with extra feisty!
I thought you were saying your husband wears them with a bra and shirt underneath.
I was… perplexed….
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Jan 7, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You did.
I had to read it a few times but I got it.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
I leave my unbuttoned
and during april and sept it is acutally nice
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
i'm not allowed to wear players jersery's
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
you're allowed to wear halfshirts?
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duh
and with my luck the very minute i put on a players jersey their arms & legs would fall off.
the last time i wore a jersey was the 96 super bowl when the boys beat the steelers. i think that super bowl used up all my good luck for future teams
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Get rid of the Shannon
the real #18 is this guy!!!>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 7, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
i have
rasmus and molina and an ankiel unofficial jersey
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Over the years
I’ve had Rolen, Edmonds, Ank, and now Pujols.
Best moment I've ever seen at a Cards game in person
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Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!
yeah
i prefer jersey shirt
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Tersey
is what I’m used to the being called.
by mynameistyler on Jan 7, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
My friends and I use "t-jersey."
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 7, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
That's probably best.
Tersey sounds dumb as hell.
by mynameistyler on Jan 7, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
Is My Fernando Tatis...
jersey acceptable? Or should I just leave that in the closet for a few more years…
by mynameistyler on Jan 7, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
I got...
really excited over the 2 Grand Slams. My mom was gracious enough to buy it for me.
by mynameistyler on Jan 7, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
I saw a Simontacchi jersey at the stadium last year
had to do a double check to make sure i wasnt too drunk and seeing things
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 7, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
i saw a ray king one last year
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
does that one only come in XXXL?
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
it was actually on a toddler ginger
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
cool
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 7, 2010 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
Hollywood can change the name of his restaurant back now!
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
what?
they changed the name?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
yeah after Lego started wearing 15 they changed it to jim edmonds steakhouse & something something
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
you may be half right
according to their website the name is jim edmonds 15 steakhouse. the word steakhouse was never in the name till after Lego got the number & i swear i heard on the radio tim mckernan say they changed the name because of that. but i could be wrong
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
what was it called before?
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
ah, right
f15teen, right?
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
huh?
do you mean where do i live?
austin
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
36/m/tampa
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
sorry Matt. you're stuck with Rick Horton covering you. FOREVER.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
was that who asked
wasn’t your first AB here in St. Louis? Remember that? That was cool.
It’s like someone gave Chris Farley a mic.
that was my impression too
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
well it's about damn time
were married now & all, i would hope he’s start showing us some love & emotions
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
he's reading websites! HI MATT IN THE TRUCK.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Darn!
Did I miss the press conference while I was fixing my life?
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Yep. He looks good in a suit. He's being affable and charming and working his ass off for ST.
Excited to be a Cardinal, excited to work with team. Good presser, overall.
Now with extra feisty!
hope your life is fixed
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
It probably is.
I’m waiting on one professor to tell me if I can add their class.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
that's one thing I don't miss
scheduling
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
It is insanity.
I added a class I’m not allowed to take but did the system tell me that? No. So I get to the class and realize I am not supposed to be there yet so I have to change my whole schedule. The good news is, I now have a three day weekend.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Those are great.
I once had a four-day weekend. As did my best friend. Our theme that semester was, “Wednesday is the new Friday.”
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 7, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
I think I basically have a four day weekend.
I don’t have class until 2:00 on Mondays (if the class I’m waiting on comes through). If that class doesn’t work I do have a four day weekend.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
spants has a crush.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 7, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
do the memes return on that fateful day?
i’ve been holding in so many twss’
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
don't say it gdm, don't f'ing say it
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
you shouldn't have said that...
Best moment I've ever seen at a Cards game in person
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Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!
But we're not allowed to say that anymore.
And besides it doesn’t really make sense.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
I know
I just thought someone was gonna pull the usual.
Best moment I've ever seen at a Cards game in person
Follow me on Twitter: @zoomzoomj88
Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!
Amazingly, his head looks even MORE like a Lego from this angle.
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
when you have those four holes for the connectors
it’s going to look a little weird in brand new trousers
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 7, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR BALLS, MO.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
the man who is allegedly Jack Clark says it's all because of the fans.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I remember jack Clark being oranger.
Maybe it was just my TV.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Jan 7, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He uses less wood stainer during the winter.
Now with extra feisty!
by spants on Jan 7, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
so jack clark is an alcoholic middle aged pinocchio?
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 7, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
He looks...
as though he’s been in a fire.
by mynameistyler on Jan 7, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
made of wax...?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
He rambled for like 30 minutes about nonsense
I couldn’t believe he could string so many incomplete thoughts together. Talk about stamina.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
DeWitt talkin about the midwest values, family oriented
and the house here. solid citizen.
= Cardinal way! apparently.
I should write this down.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
we have a culture, it seems.
that is so pie-filled that it scared other clubs. hmm!
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Ricky Horton just took off his reporter hat.
Literally. I thought it was funny. Reminds me of home.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Yes all the time.
No. It’s just a Rick Horton thing to do and I don’t get to see that very often.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
aren't you related to him?
i thought you said during the season he’s your uncle or cousin or something. or am i thinking of someone else?
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
someone here had something to do him or maybe AL
or was it danny mac? man this is going to bug the crap out of me
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
he spoke at my father-son banquet in high school
/not what you’re thinking about
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
no, i could have sworn someone knew rick or was related to him
maybe it was all or jack or they went to high school with danny. i really can’t remember & it’s driving me nuts
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
That FSM projected 2010 lineup needs to change
I don’t really want Boog batting second.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
that's just for the one game
there’s still the other 160 or so.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 7, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
doh
I didn’t even think about that.
and rec!
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
make it green
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
"It's official! Photo of Matt Holliday signing his new contract."
May the sounds of our debate be drowned out with cheering! It will be a long and hopefully great ride.
40 days! Woot Woot!
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
If Noah made it through the flood...
I figure we can make it through the winter.
by mynameistyler on Jan 7, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
he did
but then his forearm disintegrated and he missed most of 3 seasons…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noah_Lowry
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 8, 2010 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
I am gonna come in every day and say it just like that!
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
we're tied in the loss column!
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I was told there would be no math
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
holy crap it is january!
that’s closer than you think!
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 7, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
and Saturday's my 18th!
(sorry to get off subject)
Best moment I've ever seen at a Cards game in person
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Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!
18 = lame
sorry bro.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 7, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
it's ok
Best moment I've ever seen at a Cards game in person
Follow me on Twitter: @zoomzoomj88
Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!
don't listen to him, it's a big deal
go out & enjoy yourself at the chucky cheese or whatever place you crazy kids love to hang out at now.
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Jan 12th is my B-Day.
Fang is right, though… 18 was boring.
by mynameistyler on Jan 7, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
it's all set up to be boring
but most birthdays of mine have been lately.
Best moment I've ever seen at a Cards game in person
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Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!
I haven't had a good birthday...
since #8 at Chucky Cheese.
by mynameistyler on Jan 7, 2010 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
21!!!!!
only 16 months away. haha
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 7, 2010 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
Less boring than 19.
And 20 sucks. You feel old but have nothing to show for it.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
One of my bosses once (he really didn't feel like a boss he was so cool)
told me that 21 is really just where it all starts to go downhill.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
It's true.
22 was depressing… and my parents ended up reminding me that my 23rd was coming up. This is just not that great. I’m going to drop out of college and go to Umpires school or something… that way I can always feel like a kid.
by mynameistyler on Jan 7, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
They were awesome.
I can’t find them anywhere on the internet unfortunately but they were fantastic. Until about the 12th time in one night.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
is that the age a woman stops lying about being older and starts lying about being younger?
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 7, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
huh...i've always heard that as just a general fact of life
with only the exact age being in dispute
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 7, 2010 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
Plenty of teenage girls (like, mid-teens) will lie about being older
But other than that, yeah, I think it’s basically a big fabrication.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
"Let me tell you something about 20 year olds...
half of them are sixteen."
by mynameistyler on Jan 7, 2010 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
Right, but that's a girl. He said woman. I just automatically excluded teens.
Now with extra feisty!
i can't imagine
a 24-26 year old woman lying about being older
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Mine is the 14th
and Holliday’s is the 15th and Albert’s the 16th…all great men are January Birthdays!!!
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
so 40 days until we maniacally peruse every photograph taken until actual games start?
i just hope we have a juan gone type sighting this year
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 7, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
Big Mac taking cuts?
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Put a hat on, Matt.
Please.
You gotta admit the guy has a really weird shaped head.
Perhaps that’s a skip flap that goes over the Lego connector?
Because it just doesn’t look right.
came out backwards?
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 7, 2010 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
spants just had a heart attack
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 7, 2010 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
it's pointy!
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
If you put a laser beam on top of his head...
…he’d kinda sorta look like one of Dr. Evil’s dream pets.
You know...
that does look a lot more mean than an ill-tempered seabass. Dr. Evil was right.
by mynameistyler on Jan 7, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
it's the nub.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
its like he has a jawline on his forehead
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 7, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
now that is a weird cranium
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 7, 2010 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously every time I look at this I wonder
how on earth does one’s head look like that?
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
so,
if they’re saving number 15, does that mean they are considering retiring it, or what?
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
i'm telling you
mo just hates me and made it a clause in the contract so they can sell more merchandise.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 7, 2010 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
you can blame DeRosa for being prescient
I guess I was just an appetizer! Sweet!!! I hear Mike Holliday is good.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Edmonds return?
Best moment I've ever seen at a Cards game in person
Follow me on Twitter: @zoomzoomj88
Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!
I don't know why they did it,
but I really like the move. Edmonds has a shot at the HOF and was good for this team. He may have been the player I hated most during his Cards tenure, but Holliday wearing #15 just didn’t feel right.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
why the h8?
he was my favourite player when I starter following the team (later Renteria, too).
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 8, 2010 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
Allen Craig should be #15 now
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 7, 2010 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
i'm sure there's some other post to comment with this
i was just thinking it’s really Omar Minaya’s fault we’ve overpaid for Holliday. Bay’s contract set the bar. there was no semblance of leverage for anything until then. agree? disagree?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
in reality
we’re paying holliday less per year than bay is making
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
f'in omar.
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
omar is such a badass
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
man i need to rewatch this series again soon
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
I have always liked shows that felt more like a long movie than individual episodes
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 7, 2010 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
definitely
carnivale /sniff
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
i watched the first 4 seasons in like a 3 week span
yeah i wasnt very productive during that time
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 7, 2010 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
i agree.
and while holliday is in all reality kind of being a dick for simply wanting more money just because bay got it, we did overpay for that very reason.
holliday signs for 6/100 with a 7 year option if omar isn’t an idiot.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 7, 2010 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
presser archive is up
http://foxsportsmidwest.com/pages/holliday_pressconference
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Jan 7, 2010 6:34 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
"i consider myself an elite player"
ho ho ho, humble are we?
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
"I used to wear 5 and I offered Albert a watch, but apparently he has one of those."
hahahahahaha My favorite part so far.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
He hopes they continue to walk Albert in front of him because he'll take his chances.
I like it Matt, I like it.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
looks like i'll have to watch that later too
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
hot stove season just got boring
thanks, matt holliday. asshole
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
OT: Marty Noble
Marty Noble is a fine writer. Better writer than I and a pretty solid expert on baseball from the last 20 years.
But this blowhard is full of absolute crap right now on MLB Network. He wrote a piece saying he didn’t vote for Roberto Alomar because he spit on an umpire. They asked him to come on MLB Net and explain it. He started out by saying that what Alomar did was wrong and that he doesn’t care if he apologized to the ump, he didn’t apologize to HIM. Then he said that he didn’t need to be apologized to. Then he said that if you spit on someone at work, you would be punished too. Alomar WAS suspended for spitting, so he was punished.
Then he said that it wasn’t the spitting, it was because he didn’t play hard in New York and then came up with a bunch anecdotes about how he was playing poorly. Which, again, he was called on because Alomar was a HOF caliber player BEFORE New York and without New York.
Then Noble said he still won’t vote for him. It’s this kind of self-righteous bull that makes baseball writers a joke. For as great a piece they can write or as great an insight they can give, when they think they have a greater power or greater moral responsibility because they get ink in a paper they do a disservice to the entire profession.
/rant
You'd think...
if the spit-ee can forgive the guy, some dip(poop) writer who had nothing to do with it could too.
I don’t want to scream racism in a crowded theater, but if the spitter had been a “gritty” white guy I believe all would have been forgotten once he and Hirschbeck shook on it. Remote, pretty-boy latino dude is not a character-type that’s near and dear to the average sports fan’s heart.
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
by guayzimi on Jan 7, 2010 7:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
microcosm
of what is wrong with BBWAA. Timmy K was saying yesterday that the reason he voted in the hawk was because he spoke to 2 former players (he named them, I just dont remember who they were. . . tony gwynn and someone else, i believe) and they said Dawson was one of the highest character guys they ever saw to play the game. I’m not knocking Dawson for being a good guy and a high character guy, but its not the Hall of High Character, its the Hall of Fame. Character should not be the end all deciding factor of whether or not a guy gets in. If it was, some of the greatest players to ever play the game wouldn’t have gotten in.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
of course, in this case it wasn't
—only something that influenced people who were on the fence about a guy who was… on the fence. And in a case like that it doesn’t bother me so much.
I guess that was what Bernie was ranting about...
On his radio show this afternoon. I just caught the tell end of it. But he was talking about the meeting of the BBWAA being like the show “church talk”. I’d assume he was making a case for Big Mac but I remember him mentioning the “Ump forgave him, move on.”
yet another reason why those assclowns should lose their privilege of voting for the HOF
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
ot: does anyone have uverse and use external speakers?
i stupidly bought a monitor with no speakers (it was a great deal!) but want to use it for tv sometimes too. if anyone could point me to speakers/how to set them up on uverse i’d be grateful.
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
Does it av jacks like red and white on the back?
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 7, 2010 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
it has both those and the surround sound optical output
just looking for something good enough for my room.
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 7, 2010 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
are you going to just hook up computer speaks or a receiver w/ speakers?
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 7, 2010 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
ummmm theyre going to be hooked up through the uverse box
as the monitor doesn’t even have audio outputs (as i said it was cheap). but i do know i want them to just rest on my desk so going with a whole audio receiver set up probably doesn’t make sense (especially since i plan on buying an actual tv within the next couple months anyway). so i guess just comp speakers.
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 7, 2010 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
Also, how do you plan on hooking the monitor up to the uverse box?
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 7, 2010 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
the monitor is already hooked up with a dvi-hdmi cable
so i get picture already
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 7, 2010 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
HEY. it's January 7
why didn’t they tell us they were going all-out with the symbolic numbers?!! I could’ve had 25 to 30 days of peace per month, since November! seriously.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
nice
also reminds me. did anyone get in on the threadless sale where all shirts were $10?
i ravaged that shit
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thanks for the link
but none of those are worth the time it would take for me to punch in my CC info. some pretty hideous hats, there. i pretty much only wear new era official style caps anyway. maybe mixing the colors up a bit because red only matches so much
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i mean
you kidding me?
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oh man
i have, however, been looking for this particular style for a while
saw it once and wanted it and now i might just have to order it
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check out this puppy
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 7, 2010 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
I"ve seen some players with something like that.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
holy F
that thing is horrid
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 7, 2010 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
yea there's a very good reason why they are all on clearance
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
The Greatest Guitar Solo's of all time
We were talking about music before and mentioned my playlist of the Top 100 of all time. Well I remembered where I got the list
i did ctrl + f
“maggot brain” and found nothing therefore that list sucks
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#71
That was just first 10 I think on that page
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 7, 2010 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
even still
it’s the best. this is an objective fact
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i mean
it’s right next to joe pery’s “walk this way.” what a slap in the face
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
that list ain't that great imo
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 7, 2010 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
so...
i have to wait until f’ing tomorrow to get a bag. ugh.
need instant gratification
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yes
a bag. i would elaborate, but the ambiguity is probably a good thing
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
been there done that....over and over and over again
you should get a good laugh out of this
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 7, 2010 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
ha
my experience is almost always with number two
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Assortment of ones and two mostly for me
i hope for an 8 one day, just for the experience.
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 7, 2010 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
is this
the longhorns? what happened? i want to look smart if people talk about it tomorrow
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Yes.
Colt is out most likely (meaning I don’t see him coming back) for the game.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
in football
players can leave the game and then come back in?
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yes
it would be cruel if they couldn’t
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 7, 2010 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
what?
i’m not talking about like offense only players and defense only players. if they only play one game a week, they should be able to play a whole game at a time
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He got hurt.
But, to be fair, football is slightly more physical than baseball, for instance
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
And it involves different kinds of running and activity.
You need huge spurts of energy all at one time and timed perfectly and in these bursts of energy you basically use all the energy you think can use.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
are you saying
that outfielders don’t have an intense job?
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Absolutely not.
But they don’t run into walls every single play or get hit by a huge man every minute, literally every 60 seconds, they are playing.
You cannot convince me that baseball is more physical than football. That is one of the things I love about baseball actually.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
but it's a grind
162 is a lot different than 16
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Yes but that's not pure physical hitting people.
I am not saying baseball is easier than football. I tend to think it is harder in many cases. But i think there are some things that are harder in football as well. It all balances out in the end I think.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
I guess maybe contact is a clearer word to use.
I think in one game contact is more influential on your body than one run to first base in a baseball game, hence being able to sit out and come back. But the thousands of sprints to first in a season is also very influential on a body over the season. Again football is not harder than baseball, in my opinion.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
too many knick knacks that need to be attended to throughout the game
and basically everyone except for the qb would get too winded
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
i just think
the strategy aspect of once you use a player, he’s used, makes thing interesting
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But makes no sense in football.
Football teams would be huge (huger than they are) if this were the case.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
there's 53 players on their active rosters
if players couldn’t come back in, they’d be as big as 300-400 players on the rosters & most teams would be as good as the worst nfl teams & the sport would fall apart & no one would like it anymore.
wait,,,,the prophet might be onto something,,,,
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
or they'd tough it out, making to game much more boring
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
some may find this interesting
Want to Intern at Baseball Prospectus?
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
That sounds like hell tbh.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
There was a time when I might have done that editing job
Although working for credit is a real bitch.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
So depressing
I was expecting more as well.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
I mean you can't really blame Texas.
They lost their quarterback. It isn’t even so much that Bama is winning and I’m pulling for Texas but that I just wanted something exciting.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
That's exactly how I feel
I can’t imagine how Mccoy is feeling right now, probably pretty pissed that his last game, the National Championship, was taken away from him.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
i thought he was going to cry a few minutes ago
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
I thought it was...
pretty heartwarming how Ingram scored one for his dad, the money launderer.
Brent Musburger is a master at finding the storyline.
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
gawd that made me so sick
read up on his dad, he’s a real criminal & a big time pos, yet the WWL acts like he’s in jail for jaywalking. i get the kid wants to support his dad, but he’s a pretty bad dude & is exactly where he belongs. the WWL doesn’t need to keep feeding his sons delusions about him.
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
darn you, matt holliday
now there is pretty much nothing interesting going on in the baseball world. i’m actually going to watch college football
is it halftime or am i tuning into something that is not what it is advertised to be?
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How heroic would it be
if McCoy came back during halftime and led them to victory.
Sportswriters would just die because of how great that story is, which I wouldn’t mind advocating for some writers (I’m looking at you Mariotti….)
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
snore
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 7, 2010 10:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Bahahahahaha
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Or if a freshman reserve QB would bring them back?
Wait a minute, I just remembered that I don’t even like Texas
I hate both of them
but Texas has over 100 million in football sales, so I guess I hate them more.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
I went to Missouri
Many years ago, but have learned to hate Texas since.
But then I went to Missouri, and if I decided to hate every school that has beat them in the past forty years…
One of the greatest days ever
Was when we finally beat Nebraska at Faurot
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 8, 2010 12:19 AM EST up reply actions
hahaha
that old man is insane! and all the other guys know it. they’re trying so hard not to laugh thier asses off at him
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So there are flurries here,
and people are so excited they are actually going outside in the 30 degree weather to play in the “snow.” I am amazed.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
the word that i would use to describe it
would not be appropriate even on this blog
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so
is this like the world series of college football?
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No....It's a corporate driven shenanigan played on everyone watching it.
PLAYOFFS!!!!!
* is an Asshat
Except it's a stupid system.
That needs some help.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
+1222
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
meaning
is this the last game of the season? i guess super bowl would be a better comparison
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yes...
the last of the 852 bowl games.
* is an Asshat
by RiverRat on Jan 7, 2010 10:36 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Security will be called to remove an idiot...
Great line. I love that you could hear the frustration and pure annoyance in his voice.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
catch the f'ing ball!
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by prophetjohn on Jan 7, 2010 10:51 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
i'm kind of mad
about how much i’m enjoying this
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i don't knoe
why texas has the ball again, but it’s good!
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oh, that's crap
….i think
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
The Tide is turning....
/rimshot
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
by Taskmaster on Jan 7, 2010 11:08 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I'll be here all night.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
refs are doing everything in their power to ensure a bama victory
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
The final line was 5...
garbage time td for Texas gets it done. Not that the refs would know anything about that…
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
and why not? sabians the biggest cheating pos to ever coach college football
the “term scum of the earth” was made for guys like him
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
look what he did to LSU & the Dolphins
plus there’s so much more dirt on him up in michigan that will come out one day. he’s been accused of paying the players to come to bama too, and i totally believe that. he may come off as an “awe shucks i’m just a good old boy” but he couldn’t be further from that. he’s a slimy weasel & a cockroach.
Bama sold their soul to win this title & Bear Bryant is rolling over in his grave.
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
I'm not a huge fan but I think you could do much worse.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Tony clearly wasn't a fan of McRae's work ethic
Speaking of The Mac…
“The point is, you’ll see him in spring training. He won’t be leaning on the batting cage chatting it up. He’ll work his [butt] off, and hitters will be thrilled he’s there helping them.”
that's not the firdt time
i’ve heard him say that, either
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i don't think so, he had more than once chance to throw him under the bus or have him fired
yet ever chance he had he stood by him & defended him
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
OH SHIT
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
You know chessed,...
wait is this one of those memes I can’t use now?
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
It just means I like chess a lot
Everyone has to have something they’re good at, right?
Not your name...
the You know Dan it really is meme.
Iwas wondering about your name though so thanks!
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
do & say whatever you want cgirly
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
it really is
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
There's this damned...
chat window on the justin stream that’s 30 seconds ahead. I can’t ignore the thing even if I try…
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
try this feed
http://www.atdhe.net/9005/watch-bcs-national-championship-texas-vs-alabama
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thanks...
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
This game is mildly interesting
but Alabama deserves to lose. They let their foot off the gas and they are paying for it.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
by mildly I mean very*
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
What about texas...
when the freshman first came in. Three three and outs, they ran it up the middle about eight times and one screen. They just wasted about 1/3 of the game…
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
Would you really trust a reserve freshman with throwing the ball?
You want to get rid of the damn butterflies in his stomach first.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
I suppose...
Hopeless up the gut plays are football at its dumbest.
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
taco bell employees never look like denise
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
Game over?
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
It's midnight.
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
10 pm where I'm at
But still, the disadvantages of a reserve QB having to be in the game in a critical situation, with the defense teeing off on him.
I'm thinking.
Stupid Bama.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Jan 7, 2010 11:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That's like the 3rd time that O-line just let the guy blitz through
and that last one on the blind side.
Way to help your freshman…
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
I blame the announcer who jinxed them by saying they hadn't given up a sack.
/overly superstitious baseball fan
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Indeed....Indeed
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
This is why gambling on
football is so heart-wrenching. The kid puts you in the money and then takes you right out.
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
Yes it was.
I thought he was going to either cry or throw up when she asked him that tho.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 8, 2010 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
he offered congrats to bama
-wished he could play
-glory to god
-said there is no pain in his arm and rather that he just couldn’t feel it.
all this while focusing every bit of energy into not crying.
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
have you seen his iamsecond.com commercials?
apparently he’s a lot like tebow, but this is the first i’m hearing of it
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
they've been running them non stop on the WWL for a month now
check their site out, i think you’ll like it
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
probably a wise move on your part
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
If he is hurt I guess the Rams won't draft him anymore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 8, 2010 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
they never would have anyway
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Oh come on
This is the Rams we’re talking about. They’ll find a way to screw things up.
Actually, the Football Cardinals (when In St. Louis) probably would have.
The worst draft picks ever. With few exceptions
no championship shirt for mount cody
they don’t make 22XL
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
disturbing.
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 8, 2010 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
why can't it be both?
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
so i'm watching the Lego presser now, 15 hours later i know, i rule
and i don’t know if i’ve ever said this or not, but i swear i’m related to Bill DeWitt. he looks, acts, and sounds just like my great grandpa, his brothers & great grandpa’s sons, and my one uncle. it’s unfreakingcanny just how much they all resemble each other.
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
"i had offers but i'm not going to get into them here"
translation, we had nothing, but still got paid in the Escalade biatches!
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
I was just watching that now too
Holliday handled himself well, I liked hearing about how he lost the ball in the lights and how it’s part of the game sometimes. takes some of the sting of it anyway
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 8, 2010 1:01 AM EST up reply actions
how come no one ever mentions Yadda as the other stars on the team?
everyone always mentions Albert, Carp & Wagonmaker and always say something like “and all the other greats.” if i’m Yadda i’m pissed. if i’m Boog i’m cool. and if i’m Colby i’m kicking myself.
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Yadi is key player for sure
not to mention, can’t believe he had 9 SB this season!
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 8, 2010 2:09 AM EST up reply actions
I can't believe he's been a starter for five years already
he and Skip are quickly becoming grizzled vets.
I'm annoyed he didn't get that tenth.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Yadi is generally unconcerned with how much attention he gets
he’d rather hang back and make Albert get all the attention. he’s into helping pitchers fuck up batters, and not doing anything to make his mama yell at him.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
he so wanted to pick off Ichiro. he so, so wanted to.
but I’m talking more media-related attention.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
so was i
he’s never mentioned as one of their great players, and for the life of me i can’t figure out why
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Good point.
He seems awfully quiet during interviews. And Albert was the ASG ambassador, so I guess there wasn’t much left for Molina. And maybe he prefers it this way.
Now with extra feisty!
that's my impression from a large number of the features
when he was single, he’d go home and play checkers with his elderly neighbor. i mean… it seems weird that Yadi has a lot of pride without a lot of publicity-hounding, but if it has nothing to do with his family and/or screwing up someone else’s offense, he doesn’t seem to be that into it. And he’s had Albert his whole career to take the heat and be the face of the franchise.
the latest from the ASG had him texting away (probably to a brother) while the reporters clamored around Albert.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
both of you do live in ohio.....
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 8, 2010 1:06 AM EST up reply actions
yeah but i'm from se missou & all my great granpa's family live there the STL or southen illinois
our last names aren’t even close either nor any other names in the family that i know of.
there has to be more to this too, does the PD or KMOV has the full presser right?
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
yeah but it seemed like they cut out a lot
the PD had 13min of video up so i’m watching that now
btw, why did that moran who does the ksdk play by play ask him if he was moving to the STL when he just built a home in austin? does anyone really care that he doesn’t live there in the off season?
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
i don't know if I want to read it
Because than what do I have to look forward to?
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 8, 2010 1:21 AM EST up reply actions
another new post in the afternoon
VEB HOF results!
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 8, 2010 1:28 AM EST up reply actions
from Strauss's newest article, HFS
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Holliday’s agent, Scott Boras, has previously challenged the team’s public accounting but is among those who believe in the team’s capacity to handle payroll.
“You have … the eighth-best franchise economically in the game. That gives them choice. That gives them power,” Boras said shortly after Holliday took questions Monday. "They have a new ballpark. They have among the players what is known to be one of the most extraordinary fan bases in the game. Players don’t complain about living in St. Louis. There’s nothing to complain about.
“You’re always going to be in the hunt for the next formula of being competitive. I can’t say it’s going to be the same formula. But you’re always going to be in the hunt for the formula that’s going to do it.”
Boras prefaced last month’s winter meetings by portraying the Cardinals as more of a financial dynamo than a so-called mid-market franchise. He personally confronted DeWitt about classifying Busch Stadium as an expense rather than an asset, compared the club to the Philadelphia Phillies and cited the franchise’s 3 million-plus attendance and stratospheric local cable ratings as factors that should hike payroll.
Boras on Thursday disputed that talks became contentious. Mozeliak colored them as “volatile,” admitting that last weekend’s face-to-face negotiations in Austin, Texas nearly broke down. Sources familiar with the process described DeWitt as willing to walk away, ready to spread dollars among several players.
Reminded that he had once classified the club’s chances of retaining Holliday as “less than 50-50,” Mozeliak admitted to believing the odds briefly slipped to “less than 2 percent” within the last week.
oh man,,,, i really wish we knew someone in the FO who could tell us just what was said & how pissed DeWitt got at Boras. of course that’s taking joe at his word, something we all know just can’t be done. que the unicorns
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
hooray for joe! he committed an act of journalism!
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
To be fair, dude,
it’s Strauss. This may never have really happened as his agenda is laying it out.
Either way, it’s a great piece of sports writing and ESPN or any other market in the world should hire Joe Strauss immediately. He is a treasure.
i think he should replace Gammons on BBTN
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
maybe it's just a nervous tic
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 8, 2010 2:10 AM EST up reply actions
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