Seven Years of Holliday (A Stretch)
by the red baron on Jan 6, 2010 1:30 PM EST
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PrintAlright, so the upside of Matt Holliday getting a seven year deal is that headline.
The downside, of course, is the fact it's a seven year deal,which just doesn't seem like a particularly good idea to me.
To put into perspective just how long seven years is in sporting terms, the 2003 season saw the Cardinals field a team featuring such luminaries as Mike Crudale, Mike DeJean, and Sterling Hitchcock. You know, I had honestly forgotten the Cardinals ever even had Sterling Hitchcock.
Danny Haren made his major league debut in 2003. Daric Barton was in high school. Jeff Fassero was only 40 years old in 2003. Jason Isringhausen was only 30, and really really good. Jimmy Journell hadn't yet changed his name legally to "Failed Prospect Jimmy Journell". Colby Rasmus wasn't old enough to drive yet.
My point is this: seven years is one hell of a long time in sports years. Especially when you're talking about guaranteed money and a full no-trade clause. Of course, I'm not really saying anything new by this point; 'the money's fine, but the length of the deal is a killer' seems to be a fairly common sentiment around these parts. Just to be clear, though, I think it probably bears repeating: the money's fine, but the length of the deal is a killer.
What this deal does, as much as anything, is put even more pressure on Jeff Luhnow and the rest of the faberge egg brigade to produce cheap players. Looking ahead, the Cardinal roster within the next few years is likely to take on a stars and scrubs look the likes of which we've never seen before unless the farm system can consistently pump out something resembling useful talent.
Shortly after the initial trade for Holliday, I put together my own vision of a road map for the Cardinals to follow to success. It included things like trading Daryl Jones for pitching talent, increasing payroll to the $110-120 million range, getting Shelby Miller signed, and locking Colby up to a long-term deal as soon as the 2010 season. After seeing the contract Holliday ended up getting, I think most of what I wrote then is just as true, if not more so, today.
I'm going to cut this thing relatively short today; Azru has a Hall of Fame discussion thread up just below this. I won't blow it for you by telling you who got in if you don't already know.
The Baron's Playlist for the 6th of January, 2010
"Seven Years of Holidays (for Stretch)" - the Walkmen
"Holiday" - Weezer
"The Holiday Song" - Pixies
"Holiday in Cambodia" - Dead Kennedys
"Holiday Road" - Matt Pond PA (This actually isn't the Holiday Road cover I want, but for the life of me I can't think of who did the one I really like, and a brief search of the tubes isn't turning up the version I'm looking for.)
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ice pack for the balls...
classic
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
+1
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 6, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
Laughed out loud at that one.
Had to pick it.
You're the fail to my win?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsch on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Jan 6, 2010 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
You need another option on your poll...
“I’m a Cubs fan and don’t have much to look forward to in 2010.”
I know that’s what I’d pick. :-/
by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Jan 6, 2010 1:56 PM EST reply actions
or in 2011, or in 2012, or....
sorry, had to do it.
by ArkansasTravs on Jan 6, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
Pujols in a Cubs uni...
will be exciting for 2012. Just ask Al.
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
not before i burned something to the ground
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
It's just a conversation starter.
Hey, if the greatest player we’ve ever seen in our lifetime was on the Cubbies, you’d want him too, right? We can all wish. Hell, that’s what being a Cubs’ fan is all about.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
I'm not as down on those years...
the Cubs have built a decent farm system (I’ve heard top-2 in the division with the Reds) and have a LOT of money coming off the books each of the next 3 years. A lot of it depends on how much Ricketts opens his checkbook… or at least keeps it open going forward.
Basically, there’s no reason they can’t be the favorites again in 2011.
(And no, I can’t see any Pujols landing with the Cubs.)
by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Jan 6, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
I'm surprised you're...
so down on the Cubs in 2010. They seem just a hair behind the Cards now that we’ve got Holliday… If any of our big 4 get injured, the Cubs have to be the favorites. Do you agree with this?
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
The Cubs are probably 7 to 8 wins behind us
Being conservative I say we have at least a 50% chance of making the playoffs as right now.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 6, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
we have better hitting, pitching, and defense
They might have a better bullpen. Maybe
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 6, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
Let's assume...
9.5 wins for their big three and another 12 for Byrd, Fuku, Font-eriot, and Soto. That compares to 12 for our big two, plus another 12 for everyone else. We’re up by a couple
They’ve got another 14 in their rotation. We’ve got maybe 14 without another signing (4.5-4.5-2-2-1). They’ve got a better bullpen. We’ve got a better manager, although I’m thinking TLR might be entering a steepening decline phase.
Tally it up – I see us up by a couple wins, but with LOTS more injury risk. Sure they could lose Ramirez, but that wouldn’t kill them. Losing Carp would finish us.
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
Thanks for linking
The caution is that it’s based on a lot of assumptions about Normality, which may or may not true when maybe 4 of your wins are tied up in a guy like Carpenter who may have a more binary distribution (i.e. 4-5 or 0-1 because of injury). I’m working on modeling such things, but am not there yet
by stevesommer05 on Jan 6, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
I'll be darned
I am guessing that a lot of folks who do regression don’t even look at the residuals. Kudos to you.
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
it's amazing how difficult it is to propogate arbitrary distributions
by brackenthebox on Jan 6, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
I’ve clearly just turned to simulation so I don’t have to do the math
by stevesommer05 on Jan 6, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
i think the pitching issue is close, and they may have the edge there, honestly.
depends on how well and how fast lilly recovers.
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
that'll be fun to watch
we should start a pool on how long Silva lasts before Lou sends him to the bullpen….
yeah
i think the back of their rotation (gorzelanny, Wells) is definitely better than the back of ours (Lohse, Garcia/?) as it stands, and by a good couple of wins too. Our top 3 is probably a bit better than theirs, but pitching is definitely close. I think we’re a few wins ahead in the field now we’ve got Holliday, however, and they have more age-related decline issues than we do, which perhaps balances out our greater injury risk.
I think we’re better, but probably only by 5 or 6 wins (if that) true-talent. That’s a pretty easy gap to make up with a bit of luck.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 7, 2010 7:14 AM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't put it that far.
The only thing helping the Cubs right now is that in the case of a collapse of the Cardinals they’re the clear favorites.
by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Jan 6, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
I think if any of the big 4 get hurt...
the two teams are roughly equal. Anything’s possible, but you don’t want to go into the season “hoping” for injury.
by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Jan 6, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
I mean this nicely.
Like I appreciate that you don’t hope Cardinals’ players get injured.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
The biggest question mark every year is health
certainly one of the reasons the Cards went for it last year was that Carp and Waino were healthy – whatever the “plan” is at the start of each year is hostage to whether your key players stay healthy
As a Cardinals fan...
…I get particular joy out of the fact that the Cubs need OF help now but released Andres Torres just before he put it all together.
Schadenfreude’s not a very noble emotion, but at least it’s an emotion.
and Felix Pie
and Matt Murton. They’ve let a lot of cheap, league-average OFers go in the last few years, which makes their struggles there somewhat perplexing.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 7, 2010 7:15 AM EST up reply actions
shawn, big fan of your work over at bcb. you're doing good work.
you still get to watch a pretty good rotation tear it up next year.
why not try suggesting trading derrek lee in your next main post, just to really make the site explode?
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
by tom s. on Jan 6, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
thanks!
Trading Lee and signing Branyan would be a good move for the Cubs, but there’s no way they do it.
by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Jan 6, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
I'd think
in addition to Lee, Zambrano would have some trade potential….his value is probably going to start declining after this year. If it turns out the Cubs are playing poorly at the trade deadline, Big Z could be moved to a contender for prospects.
I half-expect the Cubs to go into fire-sale mode at some point in the next five years or so with the ownership change anyway. I guess it’d probably happen around the same time Ricketts lets Hendry go and hires his first GM, whenever that is.
I suggested trading Z a few days ago...
and it didn’t go over too well. There’s a rumored offer out there of Z to the Mets for FMart, Luis Castillo, and a AA prospect. I woulda done that before the Holliday signing, and am even more sure I’d do it now. They could use that money to sign Chapman and Branyan, with plenty left over to spend on FA’s next offseason plus Lee’s, Ramirez’s, and Lilly’s contracts all coming off the books.
by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Jan 6, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
hmm
if I were the Mets I would make that trade in a heartbeat. If I were the Cubs I think I’d pass. Luis Castillo? Really?
….well, I guess he would be an upgrade over Fontenot.
You do realize...
Z makes $18 million per and is signed for three more years. I’d simply waive him if I were Hendry. To be able to get a couple young players in return is a great deal for the Cubs.
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
granted
but Castillo is 34 and made $6.25M in 09….I’d be asking for young pitchers in return, not mid-30s middle infielders, wouldn’t you?
I guess I don’t really know what the Cubs’ minor league system needs look like, so there’s that….I saw the Z-for-FMart/Castillo/P2BNL rumor yesterday and was scratching my head.
It seems like every year the Mets are trying to trade Castillo
He really isn’t that bad. He is pretty much worth his contract
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 6, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
FMart is the centerpiece there...
not Castillo.
by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Jan 6, 2010 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
Castillo is an anchor
but what would be the point of the move if your paying Castilo 6.5 mil. You wouldn’t save THAT much money and it wouldn’t make them any better. But this is the same club who gave Soriano roughly the same deal as the cards did for Holliday so they are that dumb. 100 years of futility doesn’t happen by accident
The remainder of Castillo's contract is only $12M.
The remainder of Zambrano’s is over 50M.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
bingo.
You “only” save $12M/season for two seasons, but then save $18M/season after that.
by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Jan 7, 2010 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
waiving him won't do any good...
as you’d still have to pay the salary.
Z is far from a worthless pitcher. He’s probably going to be worth his salary over the next few seasons. The issue is more having that salary locked up when you could be applying it to build around a contender… AND you’d be getting at least one great prospect in return (FMart) if you dealt him.
by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Jan 6, 2010 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
I'd put him on waivers...
and if he were claimed I’d work out a trade or just let him go a la Alex Rios. I wouldn’t let him go and pay the salary.
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
That's a great way to get fired. . .
if you’re the GM that inked the contract.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 6, 2010 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
I failed to cover that, but yeah
rumor was shot down within a day of surfacing
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Contracts coming off the books vs. Contracts Ending
I ask because I do not know. Is it a given that Ramirez, Lee, and Lilly are leaving and taking their salaries with them? I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see two of those three brought back at similar or larger salaries.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 6, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
Could happen.
Smart Cub fans are nervous about the future of the team’s payroll.
The decisions made over the next year on the North Side of Chicago will tell us a lot about that organization’s future.
by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Jan 6, 2010 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
There were a lot of zambrano injury rumors last year
Will carroll was sure he was hurt — I’m interested to see if he gives the Cubs a full season
Just win
people have expected Z to get hurt for years...
… I’ve come to trust he’ll put his time in. He’s about as solid as they come.
by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Jan 7, 2010 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
Meh.
He’s been on the 15 three times in the past two years; DTD off and on 2007-2002. Nothing more than “normal” for Carlos.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
He is what he is.
12-15 wins. Anger issues. Same shit different year.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
take out the 12-15 wins
and that sounds a lot like Mister Eff.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
and we all know about the gatorade cooler and Zambrano's wife
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
.....how did Big Z do?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Let's just say a gatorade cooler outperformed him
…in bed
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 7, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
WHY ISN'T THIS GREEN????
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
I'm not convinced there'd be a big market for Lee
He’s an excellent player, but I’m struggling to think of a team that needs a big upgrade at 1B AND has the sort of prospects you’d want in return. The Mets fulfill A but not B. Maybe after the Vazquez deal, Atlanta would’ve been a good target, but now they’ve signed Glaus, maybe not.
San Francisco? They’ve also got to take on Lee’s salary. I just don’t know if it’s possible.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 7, 2010 7:17 AM EST up reply actions
Big Ups fer the Moosic Selection!
Especially the DKs, Pixies, and Matt Pond PA!!!
:=8D
I am ok with the moolah, but would have preferred a year or so less. Age 37 Holliday moost likely won’t be worth 17 mil – I hope I am wrong. Even still, the Pujols/Holliday/Luckwick/Rasmus Quadrivium is set!
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
Quadrivium?
Egads, you’re a big medieval history buff to go trotting that out on a baseball blog!
"Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals." --Churchill
I feel like I have been looking forward to 2010 since 2007
We will maintain pretty much the same team for the next 2 years at least. The next 2 years of Cardinal baseball could easily the be the best of the next 7. The Cardinals honestly have to go the playoffs both years and go deep in both of them. Hopefully at least winning one world series. We pretty much have to replicate what the Phillies just did. They made enough money off the playoffs to boost their payroll from the mid 80’s to now $140 million.
It's like back to the future
2004 & 2005 all over again!!! (I hope!)
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
by azruavatar on Jan 6, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
the lurkers are gonna be pissed at this sub-thread
but I love it
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Great Scott!
"I learned a long time ago if you keep checking your stats all year, you're going to end up in the toilet." - Chris Carpenter, 2009.
I hate getting to threads late
You guys used up literally all the Back to the Future references I was going through in my head.
Well, except this… what was the most unrealistic part about the future in part II? The Cubs managed to win it all by 2015.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
that is scary
how soon that’s coming up. As in, the Cardinals already have contract(s?) out that far…
"Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals." --Churchill
To me the Cardinals recognize the weakness of the NL Central currently
And rolling the dice
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 6, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
that too
it’s the Cards, the Cubs, and the Brewers. The Cubs aren’t going to hit that well and the Brewers can’t pitch. The NL West is semi-weak and the Phillies are still the only genuinely scary team in the NL at the moment, I think….
Everyone in the NL outside of the Phillies have stayed the same
or has gotten weaker. All the talent seems to be going to the AL. If Sabean wasn’t running the Giants I would be worried about them also.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 6, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
to be fair
the Mets are probably going to be be better than last year, because I don’t think there’s any way they can have as many long-term injuries to core players….
They remind me of the Brewers
Good hitting with lack of pitching
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 6, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
RE: Holiday Road
were you thinking of the Lindsay Buckingham song that was the theme song to National Lampoons Vacation?
Don't ping my cheese with your bandwidth.
by RosevilleRedbird on Jan 6, 2010 2:08 PM EST reply actions
No, there are several cover versions of that song,
including the one I used. Unfortunately, there’s another cover I like even better, but I can’t find it.
All are covers of the Buckingham song, though.
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 6, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
the walkmen.
seeing the walkmen down in the duckroom @ blueberry hill remains one of the best experiences i can remember. who knew hamilton leithauser would be such a psychic via a clever song title.
Why don't we get glausy eyed and put back some franklin's....
So
2010 will tell us more about who really won the Holliday-for-Wallace/Mort/Peterson trade. My money is on Mo….here’s my thinking:
The Nutshot Heard Round The World aside, Holliday mashed for us. (Everybody is destined to forget Holliday homered in the Groinball game.) Holliday is likely to continue to mash for the forseeable future, barring injury.
At some point, even with the Cards’ 3B difficulties in mid-season last year, somebody in the Cards FO decided Wallace wasn’t going to cut it at third, and he was clearly blocked at 1B. So he was less valuable to us then to another team; Beane took a chance on him, but he was traded again in less than, what, 2-3 months? And he’s going to play 1st in the Toronto organization? Was his weight the problem? An attitude thing? Too much hype to begin with?
In any event, I suspect we won’t rue the day Brett Wallace was traded. Having watched the frigging Royals hang 8 runs in 4 IP on Mort in his debut, I’m not worried about missing him much either.
There is a possibility people are going to view this trade as a steal for the Cards in the future.
I am still more grieved by the loss of
Chris Peres and Todd
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 6, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
the DeRo-for-Todd/Perez trade was a bummer, unfortunately. We’ll miss Perez more than Wallace, Mort, and Peterson put together, I imagine.
Jockettyism at its worse.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 6, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
um
We’ll miss Perez more than Wallace
no
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
how do you know?
I mean, I’m just guessing on this, I don’t know for sure. You sound more certain, how come?
by nota bene on Jan 6, 2010 8:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
look at my name, dawg
you think i’d make something up like that?
oh and plus that little thing about can’t-miss polished hitter vs middle reliever with control issues the likes of which we have a boatload of
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
well, other than divine inspiration....
I guess both the Cards & A’s front offices would beg to differ on the “can’t miss” label on Wallace….sure he hit, but can he play a position? Is he just a DH?
And yes, Perez was a project. But would you rather have Perez or Motte?
man
I will be very happy if he can steal the closer job from the beard
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 6, 2010 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
if we get a reverse of last year
i could live with that (in that frankie crashes and burns early and Motte is an All-Star)
/knock
/knock
/knock
R.P.O.F.Y.M.
second pitch!!!
and no goggles.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
he's on a team with Carpenter and Wainwright
he’s got to be able to learn some sort of half-ass breaking pitch just by osmosis….
i'm not convinced they speak his language
unless it’s through a beat-up glove.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
this is what happens when you have crazy late inning guys
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
this
is my creed for 2k10
"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~
"can't-miss"
was describing “polished hitter.”
i think i would rather have motte. it’s hard to say at this point, though
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Unfair
“can’t-miss polished hitter” = Wallace at his very best
“middle reliever with control issues” = Perez at his very worst
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 6, 2010 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
okay, let's switch it
perez at his best and wallace at his worst are probably both around 2 WAR. i’ll take wallace in that bet
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
me personally?
i’d give him a shot, but it appears people who know more about him than i see him as a 1B/DH
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
But you have to consider that when thinking of who you want on the Cardinals
Wallace would not make it here (assuming the two teams that say he isn’t a 3B are correct). Perez is unpolished, sure, but he’s got some nasty stuff.
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 6, 2010 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
which the Cards don't really have much of a need for, do they?
Wallace’s sole value to us (unless he could learn either LF or figure out how to throw sinkers) was in the trade market. Perez had some nominal value to us as a reliever (whether he or Motte was more valuable is obvsly a different story).
And then there’s Todd, who was most likely also more valuable to us than anybody in the Holliday deal as well. I think the Holliday trade will be remembered a lot more fondly in Missouri than the DeRosa deal, which is not how I recall that the trades were perceived at the time.
WALLACE! THROW MOAR SINKERZ!
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 6, 2010 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
i didn't know that was the discussion
sure, we have more use for perez. in that scenario you could also say that we’ll miss joe thurston more than wallace. that would be true, too. i also saw wallace as insurance. what happens when albert takes the same stance next offseason? “i still have one year left on my congtract, let’s not worry about it.” i’ll take that to almost certainly mean he’s hitting free agency. at that point it becomes time to trade him. who do we put at first?
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
This was the quote you replied to
We’ll miss Perez more than Wallace
So that was the discussion. Wallace’s best asset to us was as a trade chip. Perez could have been a decent-to-good closer/late reliever for us.
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 6, 2010 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
okay..
i can only miss players with definite value to the club? dude is most likely going to a very good hitter and disappointing that the club didn’t see him as having a place on the team, true or not
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
You can miss whomever you want
The club probably misses having Wallace as a potential great hitter and trade chip, but not too much. At least, when nota wrote “we’ll” I assumed he meant the club, not the fanbase.
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 6, 2010 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
so,
you’ll miss todd wellemeyer more than brett wallace just because there was a clear position for him? i dunno. this seems like kind of a dumb conversation
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
yes, you're right....
I did start this by saying we’d miss Perez more than Wallace+Mort+Peterson. This is what happens when I’m snowed in and can’t work all day and I start drinking wine.
we’ll miss joe thurston more than wallace
Now wait a second, let’s not get too carried away ;)
Wallace-as-insurance for Pujols is a POV I have some sympathy for, and since he’s a lefty, it makes more sense for him to be at first than third, but it wouldn’t be fair to the kid to be stuck behind an immortal. And I reckon he might be a good-hit no-field kind of guy perfect for DHing.
I guess when both Oakland and Toronto confirmed in such a short period of time that the Cards’ FO evaluation of him defensively was correct, I just don’t think he’s going to be some perennial All-Star. Which, honestly, is how he was hyped. People were excited about Wallace. Just not any in the FO.
(P.S. I think the Cards are going to be capable of resigning Pujols before he hits the market. Ticket prices might go up, but AP is going to retire a Cardinal and I refuse to contemplate any other possibility. So there!)
i hope you're right
i don’t think it’s a matter of the club’s willingness to pay him
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
I agree with nota
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 6, 2010 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
the bene is wise
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
It wouldn't be so hard to stomach if DeRo had been stellar with the Cards
But with the busted wrist, he was so bad that it ended up feeling like we traded those guys for nothing at all, not even a boost.
We're going through a new avatar test phase here at mojowo11. Please be patient as we may try a variety of new ideas over the coming days and weeks.
i liked that trade more at the time
but ended up being far worse
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Did we also just sign TLR for 7 more years?
Did Tony giggle after the Holliday signing?
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
Don't forget to take into account inflation over the next half decade
$17MM might buy a nice used Escalade by 2015
"Ninety percent I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey.
The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
- Phillies pitcher Tug McGraw, on his plans for his $75,000 salary
I was going to say that.
It’s certainly possible a win is worth $8M by that point. If Holliday is a 5-win player in 2010 and regresses 0.5 wins over the next 6 years he’d be worth… 5, 4.5, 4.0, 3.5, 3.0, 2.5, 2.0. That’d be $16M, and he wouldn’t be overpaid by that much.
by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Jan 6, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
It’s certainly possible a win is worth $8M by that point.
I’m sorry, but I really don’t think it is. That would be an unprecedented increase in FA value, after a recession, and after a period of previously unheard of increases in FA value. I just don’t see that happening in 7 years.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 7, 2010 7:26 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, that's my thought too.
I read a lot of the economics literature, and right now there is still a lot of disagreement about whether we are headed for some serious inflation in the near term, even though the classic prerequites for inflation are now in place. But … I personally wouldn’t bet against a healthy round of inflation during the lifetime of this contract. By year 5 or 6, $17 mill just ain’t gonna be such a daunting figure any more.
This is just one more reason to get Albert extended, pronto.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Jan 6, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
The thing is I have read good arguments also in favor of a serious deinflation in the near future
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 6, 2010 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
disinflation
or deflation?
big difference. as far as i know, there is disinflation going on right now. deflation is pretty unlikely, though
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
re: inflation
I wouldn’t worry about rampant inflation over the next 7 years….without getting into the politics of it, if anything we have to worry about deflation (i.e. 1930s type scenarios).
i just don't see it happening
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
we're in
way WAY better shape than people were in the 20s and 30s
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
people are 6ly pissed too at how things are going
i am hopeful now more than i have been in the past that the finances might be OK
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
They are running interest rates at near 0%
Once housing hits bottom, deflation won’t be much of a concern anymore economy wide. They’re doing everything in the toolbox to prevent deflation…….hence the risk (or IMO even probability) of inflation.
Not afraid to nitpick
That's what I'm hoping
At least for baseball. The amount of new spending may lead toward crazy inflation. This, however, would be very bad overall. Conflict in my mind…
The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.
OT: An Introduction to Sabermetrics fan post?
I’m just throwing this out there, I searched through as many of the 2 or 3 thousand Fan Posts as I could before giving up, but I was curious if the Sabermetricians of this forum would be willing (if it’s not already been done, again, I dug through the Fan Posts without any luck, thus I appeal to you here) to collaborate on an introduction to Sabermetrics for the uninitiated within this community. There was a sub-thread in regards to the inclusiveness of the community today versus a year or two ago and I think it would speak well to that inclusiveness if those in the know might be willing — and able, we all have time constraints I know — to compile a beginner’s resource. Even something along the lines of a reading list would be beneficial.
Anyway, I’m just tossing this out there, if it’s been done and I’ve missed it then please disregard.
by mynameistyler on Jan 6, 2010 2:33 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I'm doing a series of threads like that...
… over at BCB. And I’m going to ask for input from VEB. So if you’re willing to stomach the blue-ness stop on by.
by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Jan 6, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
Convert unbelievers.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
*the unbelievers
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
that'd probably be worthwhile
While you’re waiting, let me suggest Michael Jong’s Saber 101 blog.
by stevesommer05 on Jan 6, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
Thank you...
This looks like a pretty great resource.
by mynameistyler on Jan 6, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
Yep
Michael’s a good writer and he did a good job of collecting a bunch of links in his Glossaries
by stevesommer05 on Jan 6, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
+1
I was a fan of hazel’s medical posts too.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
here's a start
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/intro-to-sabermetrics/
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
your 2010 Cardinals starting OF
I snapped this photo at VEB day in August
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 6, 2010 2:37 PM EST reply actions 10 recs
Great Pic
Holliday looks cocky
Corky looks like a young punk
Ludwick looks rather Ludwickish?
"Ninety percent I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey.
The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
- Phillies pitcher Tug McGraw, on his plans for his $75,000 salary
he's contemplating something
maybe jacking a dong
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 6, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
...wick.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I thought he was chewing his nails
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 6, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
thnx
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 6, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
Colby: "Must...suppress...bowel-wrenching fear...of Lego...uh oh, too late."
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
by splhcb67 on Jan 6, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
"Colby you really need to call us off sooner"
"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~
by YesWeOquendo on Jan 6, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
TLR (offscreen): "Last one in has to play second base!"
Free Melodi Dushane
by all4tookie on Jan 6, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Hey: What are you guys doing wearing your gloves on the wrong hand?
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
we really need another OF who throws lefty
I don’t think I have ever seen an all lefty throwing OF
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
damn it matty
we had one last year!
I am already forgetting the Luddy, Rasmus, ANKIEL outfield
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
throwers
Luddy throws lefty, Dunc throws righty
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Colby: so, any of you guys ever knocked up a stripper?
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Jan 6, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
Carpenter: I once knocked one out before
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 6, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
Thurston: One time I skipped kissing and went straight for the boobs, and she threw me out
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 6, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions 9 recs
Luddy: Tell her "Studwick" said hi!
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
by fourstick on Jan 6, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Holliday: So that's not a cop mustache, but a porn mustache?
"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~
by YesWeOquendo on Jan 6, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Colby: how do you guys get the hair to grow in the middle of your mustache?
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Jan 6, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Franklin and LaRue in unison: Rogaine
"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~
by YesWeOquendo on Jan 6, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Puppykicker: hey, I never thought of that....
by nota bene on Jan 6, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
All: Get lost PK. You don't belong here anymore.
by arch support on Jan 6, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
this was awesome
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
never really liked that nickname
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 6, 2010 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
"HOLLIDAY!
Shave off those sideburns!"
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 7, 2010 7:36 AM EST up reply actions
oh you gotta fanshot this
it’s awesome.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
will do
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 6, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
don't forget tags
/busybody
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
my only tagg bozied memory
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 6, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
ok
it is up and tagged and whatnot
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 6, 2010 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
Holliday: "I am huge. Huge and Awesome. And my head is Huge and Awesome as well."
Colby: “I am a baseball player. This is so rad. A frickin’ baseball player, who plays baseball, for a living!… So rad.”
Luddy: “My finger smells funny.”
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jan 6, 2010 8:40 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
lol
I like how it just seems Holliday is just staring off into space… now that I look at this picture more it definitely tells a story
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 6, 2010 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
now that I look at it, that photo's avatar material.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
my finger smells funny
classic!
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Our RF has a strange ass
-wick.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 7, 2010 7:28 AM EST up reply actions
I was under the impression that by signing Holliday
that game was official stricken from the record
by brackenthebox on Jan 6, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
Did you read Jayson Stark's column,
where he cited a league front office individual as saying that if he didn’t drop that flyball, he’s be mayor of St. Louis right now and that dropping the pop up cost Holliday a lot of money?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 6, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
It had to cost him money
It put his defense in doubt.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 6, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
Really?
How would that even come up?
“Matt, we’d love to have you back but before we make you an offer, you’ve gotta admit that dropped fly was pretty stupid, right?”
“Um…”
“Mr. Mozeliak, my client now wants $25 million per year for 60 years, or he’ll go play for the Orioles.”
It probably came up in negotiations like this:
Mo: Okay, we’ll give you 17 mil but any more nutshots you have to pay for your own ice.
They played the video on a loop during all in-person meetings with Boras and/or Holliday.
Now with extra feisty!
In that case the nutshot would have cost him an extra $50M,
since the O’s offer was reputed to top out at $70M.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
You must be mentally strong
The memories pain me. Must block it out.
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
HOLLIDAY JUST HIT A HR!
TOTALLY GONNA BE THE MVP OF THIS GAME!!!
by Hardcore Legend on Jan 6, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
i was just about to post that exact same thing
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 6, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, ludwick no call was game 1
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 6, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
The Value of Elite Talent is hard to quantify
It’s been awhile since I posted over here but a big trade will bring it out of you…
Over at Whiteyball, I wrote an article that I was wanting to get the VEB’s group opinion on: Some people have said that paying Holliday what he is worth is neither good nor bad (it’s just average), but I disagree. I think there is a value in elite talent that is difficult to quantify.
For instance, would you rather have Lohse and De Rosa or Holliday and Allen Craig on the roster? We’ll have both options, but the dollar values are roughly the same (so go with it as a comparison).
Holliday/ Craig will be making slightly less each year (over the next 2 years) and will help a team out much more effectively than those two players (WAR value will be more). The Cardinals have a good chance to develop talent that replaces Lohse and De Rosa (in the next 2-3 years). They have next to a zero chance (barring injury) that anyone from the minors (or free agent) will preform like Holliday during that same time period. He’ll be in decline after that, but could still be a very valuable player (worth more than De Rosa’s WAR estimations in 2010-11 for instance).
Could this be the missing value for elite players?
Elite players are under valued because their is only a limited amount of rosters spots and even less lineup spots
But when you factor in injury risks I am not sure how it plays out
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 6, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
True, but why is Holliday an injury risk (other than historical value?) I think the “injury” situation also undervalues what players are worth as well though. Holliday’s had WAR values of 8.0, 6.3, 5.7 over the past 3 years and is being estimated (in his prime of 30) at 4.4/4.5. I doubt if he’ll ever reach 8 again, but there is a significant chance of 5.7 over the next 2 years IMHO.
Holliday is an injury risk because he is more like to be injured than all of a set of 2-3 players with the same total WAR.
by brackenthebox on Jan 6, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with this
My point is that he does not have an injury history. We are lumping Holliday in with players that haven’t had injury histories (at 30) and those that do. Players that get injured have a greater chance of chronic problems. Thus his injury risk should be less than the historical average.
Lohse didn't have an injury history also
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 6, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
Outlier
There are outliers with everything (and pitchers are more difficult to gauge than hitters). As far as performance, would you compare Lohse’s career year with Holliday’s sustained track record? Take out Lohse and add another free agent pitcher making 10-12 million. How about John Garland? Same deal.
Every player is an injury risk. If a 25 year old Cal Ripken was taking the field for the Cardinals in 2010, we still would not project him to start more than 150-155 games because all professional athletes are injury risks regardless of track record. Is 1985 Cal more likely to play the whole season than 2010 Chris Carpenter? Hell yes, but that doesn’t mean there’s no chance that he gets hurt.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
yup
anytime anyone steps on the field and plays baseball, they can get injured
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 6, 2010 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
Albert
If Albert Pujols wasn’t made from steel and shards of stubble from Chuck Norris’s beard, I would seriously consider commissioning a University to invent a forcefield for him. Maybe that’s where Holliday’s money should have gone.
I am working on something like this as we speak(type)
but I think I am gonna need something more powerful than these 9v batteries
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
how about some plutonium..there might be some libyan nationalists with an extra supply...
you can give them a bomb-casing of used pin-ball parts.
p.s. by my reference to back to the future here, i just put myself on about 5 major watchlists.
totally worth it though, right?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
You could probably go back and watch old MacGyver episodes.
I think I saw him make some kind of plasma field out of a pencil and some aluminum foil once.
Albertofstan.
F* Yeah!
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Jan 6, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
it was a rubber band & a paper clip
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
little known fact: Bill DeWitt has people at NASA and JPL
feverishly working away in absolute secrecy on this very issue. They’re also working jetpacks, too.
It's not little known...
it’s called The Sig Mejdal Effect.
by mynameistyler on Jan 6, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
they've had Yadda a jet pack for 4 years now
f’in Bud won’t let him use it though
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Chuck Norris
Do you think Chuck Norris would have given his right arm to Albert Pujols for 120 million dollars? Albert wouldn’t miss time for TJ surgery (due to the aweome healing power of Chuck Norris’s right arm) and as an added bonus could have pitched at 120 mph. Would that be worth 200 million?
Especially considering he could pitch every day.
What could we get trading Carp, Waino, Lohse…err…Carp and Waino…
"Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals." --Churchill
Well every player has some kind of injury risk
By having a lot of mid ranged players you reduce your risk of injury.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 6, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
Right.
Having $17MM or your $100MM payroll injured is crippling. Of course, that said, about 25 percent of the 2009 payroll was consumed by Troy Glaus ($12MM), Khalil Greene ($6.5MM), and Adam Kennedy ($4MM). I can’t remember what our end of the year payroll was, but I seem to remember it being in the mid- to upper- 90s.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 6, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
This is actually my point...
Would you rather have Matt Holliday or Troy Glaus/ Khalil Greene going into 2009? Take out 2009 (before Glaus’s injury and Greene’s sucktitude) and think where the Cardinals were, going into the season. Glaus was coming off of a good year and Greene had potential.
The risk of injury is greater, but the risk of performance (i.e. Holliday carries less risk of preforming worse) should also be taken into account. Having a 12.5 million player and 6.5 million player carries risk too (less on injury/ more on peformance) and we aren’t counting the limited roster space scenerio… (plus the Cardinals are saving 1.5 million or 3.5 million in present day value)
ouch
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
It's a flexibility issue.
A club can absorb the injury or lack of production from a cheaper player more easily and also replace that player more readily. Although, I don’t think we necessarily disagree. In fact, I think a club needs an “MV3” to make a World Series run. Albert and the 7 Dwarfs were not going to play that deeply into October. Clubs need cornerstones. There was no other player to be had that would put us where we are today, having signed Holliday, heading into 2010.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 6, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
I think having a few super stars surrounded by marginal players
Is more of a High Risk and High Reward move.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 6, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure what you mean by comparing Lohse and Derosa to Holliday and Craig
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 6, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
I think he means something like
Lohse is worth 3 wins and DeRosa is worth 3 wins vs Holliday worth 5 wins and Craig worth 1 win
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 6, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
Before I classify Holliday as an elite player. . .
I’d like to see him put up a full season where he’s worth 5.0 WAR. . . WITH THE BAT away from Coors Field. I don’t know that I really trust the WAR defensive numbers, particularly for a position as far to that side of the defensive spectrum as LF.
Frankly, even then, he’d probably have to be reasonably far north of 5.0 WAR for me to classify him as an elite player.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 6, 2010 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
he's just saying that WAR isn't the be all and end all of stats
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 6, 2010 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly
and particularly to the extent that it incorporates defensive value into the equation, and particularly as applied to defensive positions farther down the defensive spectrum.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 6, 2010 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
FANGRAPHS WAR isn’t the be all and end all of stats. Using projected offense + defense + position + playing time to make your own WAR is the be all and end all.
I'm amazed at how many stats there are
do you see a point that WAR will be perfected, or will some newer stat come out in the next few years?
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 6, 2010 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
is anyone else getting stat overload?
there’s just soooo many
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
okay...
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 6, 2010 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
vep, monk, stick, whomever
how many raw wins does a replacement (0 WAR) team project to? i’ve heard around 40 but wasn’t sure.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 6, 2010 3:08 PM EST reply actions
I think it's around 90, 91.
I could be wrong, though.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 7, 2010 7:42 AM EST up reply actions
i think you're wrong
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Our LF position is filled! Huzzah!
but I really don’t understand the need to do much else. Seems lots of VEBers are calling for moar starters, bullpen help, a 3b, and a backup OF.
Why?
They have cheep alternatives to free agency in all positions. JAIME as a 5th, Craig as a 4th, Freeze at 3B, and X as a bullpen guy. Last year they went into the season with some cash on the side, allowing them to make trades to fill holes. It seemed a smart move then, a smart move in retrospect, and would be a smart move for 2010.
Assuming the Cards have $6-8m in payroll flexibility, wouldn’t it be wise to let your cheap options shake out, and THEN throw money at the spots that didn’t stick?
I think signing another player really paints you into a corner for 2010. It seems a lot of us are trying to solve problems before they are even problems.
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I still think we need another OFer. Someone that can play CF against lefties.
I have enough faith for in the young kids for the 5th starter. Would not mind another bullpen arm but we are already kind of over loaded with them. Most of all though I don’t want another IFer.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 6, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
and the playoffs
primacy and recency? it must be true!
by brackenthebox on Jan 6, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
but guys normally in AA and below
Don’t really have good off speed stuff compared to MLB. Until he can hit LHP off speed stuff I will have my doubts.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 6, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
and we do need a backup CF who can hit righties
just in case Rasmus can not, and this is coming from a HUGE Rasmus fan.
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I am confused why couldn't Rasmus hit RHP
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 6, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
aaargh
and I even used the preview button.
We are in SERIOUS trouble if Razzle forgets how to hit righties.
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Yeah, it is not a terrible idea to have a backup CF who we know can hit lefites
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Johnson's defense in CF is APPALLING.
We’d be better just going with Ludwick in CF and Craig in right.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 7, 2010 7:44 AM EST up reply actions
I thought Ludwick was the backup CF
I think if Rasmus is sitting, Ludwick slides over and the backup goes into RF.
Honestly Ludwick isn't good enough to be a CFer
Plus, He doesn’t hit LHP that well either
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 6, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
truth be told
I wouldn’t mind if we got Ankiel back as a midseason pick-up. It would be pretty awesome really( I do wanna wear that t-shirt again)
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+1
On the T-shirt. Come on Mo, make my $25 investment last another year!
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you mean half shirt
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colby
it’ll be like a vacation from themselves
by brackenthebox on Jan 6, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
I never doubt Colby.
It may set me up for disappointment but that’s how I live.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
if we're wrong about him, i'll buy all your drinks to drown your sorrows
that’s how confident i am he’ll be a stud
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Freese is who I'm concerned about
we need to have some sort of Plan B at third, in case Freese, um, flames out. Maybe it’s wise to stand pat at third and look for help at the trade deadline if Freese is Slur It all over again. And I guess you could make the same argument for the bullpen; run the kids out there and if they fail, then you’ve got a war chest to fix the problem in July.
I'm not sure why everyone is convinced that they won't let Craig play 3B
it’s not like Larussa has big qualms with playing people out of position. I think that between Mather and Craig third should be covered should Freese not pan out
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 6, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
NL Pitchers certainly won't forget Tyler Greene. . .
easy outs are hard to come by.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 6, 2010 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
I do want to see Craig with the big club next year
I imagine if he can handle the patented La Russa 4th OF/2nd 3B/1st PH dance, he’ll stick around….
he's on the 40 man
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 6, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
Craig/Mather/Gotay/Lugo/Greene
and not in that order, mind you…I suspect Freese will get the first shot (non unintentional) and TLR will go from there if Freese wets the bed.
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Jan 6, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
and
I’d rather have any of those guys over Tejada, heh
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 6, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
trade deadline
requires players to trade
seems they would have to trade from the 25 man roster
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
sorry if this has been mentioned
but chuckb has a decent post up on the hardball times website, which i believe was mentioned on 101 ESPN on my way home from work this morning.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 6, 2010 3:28 PM EST reply actions
Too negative...
the 8th year option is a benefit to the Cards as much as it is to Holliday. Also, the AAV is <$17 million per, thanks to the deferrals. That’s a decent concession extracted by Mo.
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I have to say the likelihood of Holliday finishing in top 10 in 2016 is pretty slim
I guess Pujols might do that, but all the projections keep saying Holliday’s WAR in the last year of the deal is going to be < 2, which does not exactly scream MVP. So the year 8 option is a formality. Wonder if it was Boras’ idea or Mo’s….
I have found the projections for Holliday to be a tad to conservative in 2010
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 6, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
I am finding it hard to believe that a guy who hasn't been worth less than 5.7 WAR
over the previous three seasons is now projected to be worth nearly an entire win less than that by most projection systems.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
by fourstick on Jan 6, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
i think we have to treat holliday’s projected regression the same way we treat pujols’ projected regression.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 6, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
So it makes all these projections like the one Chuck B did
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 6, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
what he said.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 6, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
i wouldn't say deeply flawed
i would say if you took 5,000 projections of how you could play this out, chuck’s would be in the worst 750 or so.
even then, it still looks like an okay deal.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 6, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't do the projections
I used the ones available to me. I’m interested in seeing the ZIPS projections and the Marcel projections as well when they come out. Perhaps I’ll amend the post. But for right now, that’s all I had to work with.
ZIPS
http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/oracle/discussion/cardinals_signed_holliday/
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 6, 2010 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
I was come to post that
Those numbers I like a lot better
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 6, 2010 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
beat you to the punch!
where’s my shirt?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 6, 2010 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
Yep
they’re only slightly better. I calculate a .392 wOBA as opposed to CHONE’s .389. So we’re talking about a couple of runs and no more than half a win difference vs. CHONE.
if that's another 0.5-0.7 wins, though
and you’re factoring in an average decline of, say, I dunno, half a win per season (I haven’t read the article yet – I intend to, though!), that extra 0.5-0.7 wins in your 2010 startpoint is pretty huge, because that’ll add another 3.5-4.9 wins over the term of the contract.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 7, 2010 7:48 AM EST up reply actions
.003 wOBA points is about 1.8 runs
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There may not be an actual difference at all
if CHONE and ZiPS have different league average wOBAs. Or it could be more significant than 1.8 runs.
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No, I understood that you based your numbers on CHONE
I didn’t mean any disrespect I just didn’t agree with the CHONE numbers
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 6, 2010 6:45 PM EST up reply actions
I wasn't upset
I just wanted you (and whoever) to know, in the interest of full disclosure that, good or bad, I didn’t create the projections. Coming up with them is the hard job. All I did was reference them. That’s the easy job.
how often do you write over there for them?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 6, 2010 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
good to know
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 6, 2010 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
FWIW
CHONE has modified the Holliday projections now that he’s signed w/ the Cards and they’ve increased from 4.5 WAR to 4.8 WAR. I haven’t run the total numbers but that will, obviously, get Holliday’s value over 7 years closer to $120 but probably not above it. Regardless, there will be little surplus value, if the projections hold true, over the 7 years for the team. We simply have to take advantage of the early years as best we can.
if the cardinals win the world series some time in the next seven years
do you consider it a success? i couldn’t quite read if you were being sarcastic or not.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 6, 2010 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
Meh.
Chuck could have simply started at 5.7 WAR and then added in a 10% injury risk for each season. 4.5 may not be a likely projection, but that’s not because the projection is inaccurate- it has to include risk.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
Exactly
A good projection is a weighted average of all possible projected outcomes. Some of those projected outcomes will include 100 days on the DL. Even if that isn’t likely, you have to account for the possibility. Nobody should ever be projected to play more than 150 games.
Moreover,
people are acting as though projection systems are either ignoring injuries, or just giving everyone a blanket injury risk percentage: Many projections have attempted to tackle injury risk, PECOTA is probably the most popular one that tries hardest, and it’s a very difficult problem to beat.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
does everyone really report the mean in their projections?
I’d think someone out there would be using MAP or some other estimator which picks out the mode (most likely outcome).
by brackenthebox on Jan 7, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
No, I said below that most systems will just report the mode or median
However, I know PECOTA uses some sort of a weighted average, and I think CHONE does as well.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 7, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
how can a projection have a mode?
wouldn’t it need to be some sort of iterative simulation?
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 8, 2010 7:00 AM EST up reply actions
if it's not likely
that doesn’t make it inaccurate, it just makes it a shitty projection, right? should the projection be right in the 50th percentile of outcomes and therefore be the most likely outcome?
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
are there error bars/confidence levels on projections?
Seems these would be easier to interpret if they had a %CL or a range of some sort on them….
Obviously there are error bars
However, I’d assume they’d be similar for most players, varying somewhat by experience. CHONE publishes “percentile’s”.
cool, thanks
I always wonder about that when reading a headline # like they have @ FG. It just says, this is what CHONE thinks so-and-so’s FIP is going to be next year.
well
what the fuck is the point if a projection isn’t the most statistically probable outcome? it’s just mathematical masturbation otherwise
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
so
it’s not necessarily the 50th percentile, but it should still be pretty close to the most statistically probable outcome, right? or are there significantly more/bigger outliers on one end than the other?
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
It will be pretty close to the 50th percentile
by vivaelpujols on Jan 6, 2010 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
To clarify, most projections only have on number
That’s going to be the most likely outcome. Good projections like CHONE and PECOTA will use something more like a weighted average.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 6, 2010 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
The fundemental difference in the two comes with injuries
A 6 WAR player is much more likely to be a 1 or 2 WAR player due to injuries than he is a 10 or 11 WAR player.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 6, 2010 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
that makes sense
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
the mean, median, and mode are probably all pretty close to each other in the projections
unless the injury curves tend to make things multimodal
by brackenthebox on Jan 7, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
why isn't it the median outcome?
and the “most likely outcome” isn’t necessarily the median outcome. No outcome, by percentile, is any more likely than any other outcome — by definition. Yeah…sorry. I guess it is the MEAN outcome and not the median, though they’re likely to be very close to one another.
the 50th percentile isn't the most likely outcome
it’s the median outcome. The 50th percentile is no more likely than the 90th or the 10th percentile.
Huh?
If that’s the case, then why do any of this projecting at all? Just slap up some numbers and hope you’re right.
The 50th percentile has to be a more likely outcome than the 90th or the 10th.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I think it's that odds are the actual results
will resemble the 50th percentile.
50th percentile is just one out of 99 … like one out of 99 coin flips. But given that the area of the bell curve is largest around the 50th percentile, you would expect a larger percentage of outcomes to happen there.
For example, if the player ends up somewhere between the 40th and 60 percentile, you could say that the 50th percentile was a pretty good guess at the actual outcome, even though the 50th percentile itself is not more likely than any other.
Caveat: I’m not a stat expert. I’m pulling this out of my head just from thinking about it. So don’t be surprised if chuck or vep follow this up with a scathing rebuttal.
by arch support on Jan 7, 2010 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
You know
You guys can keep explaining this to the end of the earth……or you could come up with a projection assuming no injury and 160 games (given Tony will certainly give him a day off here and there). That’s really what everyone wants to see — every player is at risk for injury, just tell us what he’s likely to put up if he doesn’t get hurt.
I’ll let you decide which you would rather do.
FWIW, Bill James has him at a .396 wOBA next season, which is just 4 points short of his career average.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
A projection like what you're talking about would be neat
supplemented with something like the color-coded injury risk that Will Carroll does. You could then take the results in a perfect world and guess at the chances of injury yourself.
Might make fantasy baseball more fun.
by arch support on Jan 7, 2010 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
agrees
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 7, 2010 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
If a non-statistical method came up with this and it's ownder just spit it out
with no evidence as to why, I feel like we’d call him a quack or ponder if he knew something we didn’t.
It just seems ridiculously low for a guy who’d been better than that in every full season but one during his career.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
WAR
especially when WAR takes into account park effects. An 8 WAR is awesome. What if he did that again? (feverishly knocking on wood)
he hit 8 WAR in coors park
he won’t ever hit 8 WAR again.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 6, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
Correction
His counting stats would be higher, not WAR numbers.
P.S. I don’t think he’ll ever hit 8 again either, I was just sayin’
WAR takes into account park effects
depends where you get your WAR. fangraph’s WAR is by far the most popular around here (for hitters, at least) and they do not park adjust
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
you know what
i’m getting sick of your face
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
I bet he gets close in the next 3 years
I am an optimist though.
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maye they'll move in the walls at Busch as he ages
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 6, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think it's ridiculously low. . .
when all but one of those years (and that the lowest of the +5.0 WAR years) was played in Coors Field.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 6, 2010 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
That is what I am saying
He destroyed while in the NL. But is taking a huge drop off from his previous numbers.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 6, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
what is the typical injury risk
that has to drop it a bit at least. Or do projections only include healthy players?
by brackenthebox on Jan 6, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
No, there's injury risk built in
The problem I have is that I don’t think that injury risk is weighted based on the player and his injury history as much as it probably should be.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
This is the exact reason.
You can dispute the result (ie, player A has no injury history, so his projection should be better), but unless you can actually prove your odds are better, it’s just armchair saber wishcasting. No one, that’s nobody, thinks injuries are either A. not worth factoring in or B. not going to happen, and to say
The problem I have is that I don’t think that injury risk is weighted based on the player and his injury history as much as it probably should be.
is to attack a straw man that no one is arguing for.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
Yes, I think everyone understands this:
No one, that’s nobody, thinks injuries are either A. not worth factoring in or B. not going to happen
Thing is, WE ALL KNOW THAT’S TRUE. What we’d like to know is how that player will perform if he avoids injury — I don’t think that’s too much to ask for.
To be honest, factoring in injuries is like throwing manure at a wall anyway, so why not give us the best possible expectation, no injuries, and then regress injury risk from there and give us all the values? Then we can decide how much injury risk we think is important for each player instead of having someone do it for us.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
You can just take his 2009 stats and pencil them in for 2010 if you want.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
I'm sure
that the projection systems are seeing his 8.0 WAR, 6.3 WAR, 5.7 WAR as a severe, consistent decline and that’s what’s moving his numbers down. FWIW, I’d like to see him put up a full season where he’s worth 5.0 WAR with the bat away from Coors Field.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 6, 2010 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
36 runs above average with the bat, 20 runs for replacement level = 5.6 WAR with the stick.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 7, 2010 7:54 AM EST up reply actions
+1
everybody seems to be projecting 4-5 WAR, which seems like a lowball estimate. Who’s to say he doesn’t come out and slap up another 6+ win season? He’ll be batting with a Pujols standing on first or second > 40% of the time.
Plus, he doesn't have to worry about a contract anymore
Can just focus on baseball
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 6, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
Yah
that has a tendency to backfire though — look at Beltran’s first year with the Mets. There’s no pressure to PLAY for a contract now either, everything is guaranteed. If a person told you that you’d be paid your annual salary for the next seven years regardless of how your perform, how hard are you really going to work?
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
yeah but I am lazy so your argument is flawed
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 6, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
agreed
altho in Holliday’s case almost everybody on the team has at least one ring except for him, so that’s got to count for something. He’s been to the WS once and got waxed, so hopefully that provides some motivation that the post-huge-contract-afterglow might otherwise dampen….
Plus if he’s tanking out there Carpenter will be lurking in the clubhouse with the Samsonite…..
he needs scott rolen syndrome.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 6, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
Or the other way, fourstick
Holliday performed best in Colorado when he had no contract pressure – once he couldn’t come to a contract with them, his performance there detriorated (small sample of one year) – and he has always said he wanted a long-term contract – as I’ve said elsewhere, he could be the rare bird that plays better with a long-term contract
That's true
I’m just saying that, in practice, players seem to suffer a drop off in performance after signing a long term contract. It could very well go the other way and I hope it does, but this isn’t something I would cite as evidence that he’ll outperform his projected WAR for next season.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I don't disagree
but one can hope what you say won’t occur with Holliday, can’t one?
Pretty sure it's been documented that players play better with a contract on the line.
Don’t feel like searching now, but maybe someone else has a link handy.
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I think the figures show too much regression at the top and bottom
He was worth 5.7 WAR last year, and played more than half the season in a shitty Oakland pitcher’s park while struggling mightily out of the gate. So now, with a full season in the NL, I just don’t see how you can project him at a 4.6 WAR, a drop off of over 1. And while I don’t think the .5 WAR regression after that is problematic (and I realize its just a convention), I do think it will level off towards the end. The incremental .5 regression leaves him at 1.6 WAR for his final guaranteed contract year. Do we really think that at age 36 Holliday will be a below average player? I sure don’t (though of course I don’t think he’ll be an all-star either)
I have no idea why...
they bother with a lot of these bonuses and options…
As for the MVP voting in 2016, by that time it’ll basically be a mirror image of the WAR standings, so we won’t get hosed by idiot writes. I bet Fangraphs will be running the thing by then.
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what if
the Cubs, Astros, and Brewers writers all voted for Holliday just to screw the Cardinals?
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
gotta love mlb contract rules
Your performance on the field can’t be used to determine incentives, but the potentially biased opinions of people cursorily related to the sport? no problem.
by brackenthebox on Jan 6, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
Rediculous...
this is a fair chunk of money to put on the writers.
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it's really just a formailty
i really don’t think it’ll happen. but i agree with you that the eighth year benefits the cardinals more than holliday. don’t really know where chuck came up with those opinions.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 6, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
meh
- if the worst thing we can say about the contract is that the team unnecessarily is on the hook for one additional year, this is unlikely to be a horrible contract from the team’s perspective. The team is better today than it was yesterday.
That pretty much sums up how I feel about the whole thing.
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Is it bad that I read this earlier and it didn't even occur to me
that Chuck Brownson might be “chuckb”?
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by bgh on Jan 6, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
i wouldn't have even thought about it if i hadn't already known.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 6, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
i miss chuck
i hope he’s happy at THBT
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So they are saying $2M a year of the contract is deferred money
To me that makes a huge difference in the contract
But we've been over this before
the Cardinals view deferred money as money currently on the payroll.
The money they are currently paying Edmonds was accounted for in 2003.
by Hardcore Legend on Jan 6, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
so why do they insist on it being announced?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 6, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
They say that but I just don't believe them
That is not how accounting works.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 6, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
at the very least, it should be counted as less than $2M on this years books
by brackenthebox on Jan 6, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
To me when you factor in deferred money
It could easily lower the real value of the contract down to something closer to $108-$110M.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 6, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
yup
this looks like some wizardry to make the contract look bigger than it is
by brackenthebox on Jan 6, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
as an accounting major, i agree.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 6, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
Your the last word on this...
the Cardinals can defer till the cows come home. If they receive services in Year 1 and pay for those services in Year 2, the expense gets recorded in Year 1, does it not?
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the expense gets recorded in year one
but it stays as a liability until it’s actually paid for, and that’s when the deduction in cash occurs.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 6, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
Yes it's coming back to me now...
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
haha
yeah, hard to remember sometimes.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 6, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
remember to slide
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 6, 2010 6:39 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
what isn't this green????
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
why not what
f’in gdm
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Let's not assume that MLB payroll
= commonly accepted accounting standards.
I think what a lot of people are trying to say is that yes, the Cards will say their payroll is $x this year and they’ll be paying Holliday $17m/year.
This does not preclude Dewitt sitting in an overstuffed leather swivel chair cackling softly to himself while he thinks about spending $2m this year on a good reliever because he has secretly deferred $2m of Holliday’s money.
I have found that accounting practices pretty much over lap all industries
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 6, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
I'm just saying that reported payroll
is not part of any generally accepted accounting principle. It is a number we figure out from known salaries or a number the team tells us. It has nothing to do with actual accounting. So it’s trivial to assume that ownership could talk about a $100m payroll limit, and we could have a reported $99m payroll, but we might have MORE than $1m of wiggle room that mgmt would see no need to advertise, simply because on an accounting basis (NOT A MLB PAYROLL BASIS), we only need to budget say $800k this year to pay $1m on some deferred payroll in the future.
Counting it now is a good thing for an owner to do. He sets the money aside, and then in the future when he owes Holliday $2m, he has $2.2m or whatever sitting in the bank.
However
It is a yearly expense. If the money is deferred then you can account for it whenever you want as a private organization — they could account for it next year or in the period when it is paid. I would guess that there is a general rule for this sort of thing for tax purposes, as they would have to disclose to the other partners exactly what the revenues, expenses, and earnings after interest and taxes were for the previous year.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
None of which has anything to do with
the payroll number Mo or Dewitt refer to on talk shows or in print, or what they say about how they handle deferred money.
There aren’t general rules – there are very specific rules. I’m just saying that those rules don’t matter in discussions about this team’s payroll or Holliday’s salary or deferred salary. They literally have nothing to do with it.
It’s like tracking your finances in Quicken. It tells you you have $5k in the bank. But you tell the wife you only have $3k at the dinner table ‘cause she’s got that “first Michaels then Hobby Lobby” look in her eyes. Well, sort of.
The original comment wasn't referring specifically to payroll
My comment was directed generally at when they expense that as a business, not necessarily how they report payroll.
Now, there has to be a standard in how this is done because the luxury tax is based off of payroll, and revenue sharing is also based off of team revenue which would, I would think, be accrued after expenses were taken into account.
I would assume, for the ease of simplicity, that they would use GAAP, but you’re correct, they may not for whatever reason — the point is, there has to be some standard so the MLB can calculate the lux tax and revenue sharing each season.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
There is a standard
for things like luxury taxes in all the leagues – but there’s most likely no connection to GAAP.
yeah
that’s why it’s called “Generally Accepted Accounting Principles”
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
yeah
but they don’t have to set aside a full $2MM today to give him $2MM in 2034 or whatever
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
now it's 2?
so, we’re only paying him $15MM per?
i like that
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
if he is in the top 10 in the MVP
If he is a Top MVP getter in 7 years than we will have no problem with the option
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 6, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
exactly
if that option vests we most likely will have had some very memorable Octobers between now and then….
or Matt could suck for six years
and be lights out MVP at age 36. Doubtful either happens but it could.
I've been able to relax
now that the Cards have signed Holliday. I’m fine with the years and money. Now I’m just concerned about Pujols.
I’m not a stickler when it comes to these things, but I’m surprised ‘Holiday’ by Green Day wasn’t on the playlist.
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Forgot to mention
that I wore my Cardinals hoodie (that I got for X-mas) today because of the Holliday signing.
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I'm sort of the opposite
I just want the season to start now
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 6, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
Meh.
It wasn’t there because as much as I like Green Day, I’m not a fan of that song.
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 6, 2010 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
Anything Green Day's come out with since, say, 1998 has been complete shit IMO
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 6, 2010 11:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
since dookie imo
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 6, 2010 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
I wanted to say that
But they’ve got a couple of songs not appearing on that album that I like. American Idiot was terrible.
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 6, 2010 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
How can you hate American Idiot???
I think they were going to try to release the entire album as singles until someone caught on a but the kibosh on that…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
because it is a flaming piece of shit
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 7, 2010 1:32 AM EST up reply actions
yes yes yes a thousand times yes
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
I hated it too, but it sort of grew on me
I like shouting “Amen!” and “Hey!” during the second verse.
by Andyfantastic on Jan 6, 2010 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
MLB Network
is showing the famous Matt Holliday dick catch game. If anyone would like a sneak peak on our investment…
Rotoworld reports that Ankiel is looking for a three year deal for "big money"
I guess the phrase “big money” is open to some interpretation, but if he (and Boras) are expecting what qualifies as “big money” in baseball these days, I think they’re pretty strongly overestimating the market for Ankiel.
I should add, I would interpret it to mean something like ~6 million a year or more
by BTown Birds fan on Jan 6, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
that kind of money would clearly keep ankiel in all the crack he must have been smoking if he thinks anyone would
give him a three-year deal.
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
Whatever "big money" Ank wants
he won’t get. He’s not worth the $2.8M the Cards paid him last year, let alone “big money”.
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he probably just means he wants a novelty check
by brackenthebox on Jan 6, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
well, if big money means anything more than a million a year
he may just get it
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 6, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
I dunno about you,
but big money to me would be the leagues minimum salary, lol. Perhaps that’s what he’s referring to?
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I'd take...
a hundred dollars, to be honest.
by mynameistyler on Jan 6, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
Give me $300,000 for one year
and I’ll play wherever the Cards want me to.
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I dunno about anywhere, lol
I’m certainly not playing in Mexico for any amount of money.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Yeah, I'd sure play for the Royals for MLB minimum salary.
I imagine Ankiel has a little different idea though….
by BTown Birds fan on Jan 6, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
for the record:
fuck snow. Enough already. The last four rounds haven’t fucking melted yet. It’s not fair.
And Canada can keep the -10 degree weather, FFS.
TRY LIVING IN KIRKSVILLE MAN!!
IT’S FREAKING COLD THERE!!!!!!
/2009 meme
//not even in kirksville right now
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 6, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
///fully know you did your time there
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 6, 2010 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
I wholeheartedly agree with this entire statement.
Come on, April!
Albertofstan.
F* Yeah!
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Jan 6, 2010 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
mwahaha
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
we've had almost a foot of snow this week, i couldn't agree more
f winter
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
so franklin's in the middle of blowing it right now...
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 6, 2010 5:19 PM EST reply actions
WINNAR!
/zoomzoom
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 6, 2010 5:26 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
thanks bud.
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this is still funny
sad & painful, but funny
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
+1
anyone remember grizzled vet?
KNOCK DOWN SOME BOURBON AND GROW A DICK!!!!
i really hope he enjoyed his 10 minutes as VEB member.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 6, 2010 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
yeah.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 6, 2010 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
obviously
hard to be a real VEBer in ten minutes.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 6, 2010 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
I have the body of a heavy reader :(
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 6, 2010 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
this was a very painful reminder of October that i could have gone without
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
while we're waiting for April
here is the box for Opening Day 2009. The Cards’ lineup was
Ryan 4
Ank 8
AP 3
KG 6
Wick 9
Yadi 2
Dunc 7
Slur It 5
Waino 1
Anybody else completely forget that Khalil freaking Greene was our opening day cleanup hitter? And yet we still ran away with the division….
I remembered Kaheel but I forgot BR led off
Ank batting second…shudder
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
and this year
skip 4
(i can keep hoping) ludwick 9
pujols 5
holliday 7
raz 8
random third baseman 5
yadi 2
ryan 6
sexyyyy
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 6, 2010 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
I was thinking of this exact comparison
I think it’ll look more like
Skip 4
Razz 8
AP 3
Lego 7
Wick 9
Freese 5
Ryan 6
Yadi 2
pitcher
#1-#5 looks pretty impressive, especially compared to last year, right? The bottom four can be shuffled around, depending on Tony’s mood, alignment of stars and planets, etc. I like Ryan in front of Yadi to stay out of double plays.
Ugh
Putting a guy with a .307 OBP last year in the #2 slot isn’t impressive at all.
I mean, he went over a month without taking a walk. That’s now what you want in a #2 hitter. I would flip him and Freese.
I expect
Rasmus to put up a much better OBP next season. I doubt Ludwick bats 2nd much at all, even though it would be smart, simply because Tony will see him at a perfect #5 hitter. After all, that’s what happened last season. Rasmus and DeRosa bat 2nd often and Luddy bat somewhere after Pujols.
The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.
if tony were really smart
he’d put Holliday in front of APu, but we have probably went over that too much
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
I know where you're going...
…and I like it. But sadly, it ain’t gonna happen.
The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.
eh
1) Acc. to FG, CHONE has Colby’s OBP @ .340 next year; Bill James puts him @ .323, the fan projections say .339. I think .307 is an outlier. And IIRC he was battling the stomach/heel things during that walkless month.
2) We don’t really know how Freese will do in an extended ML stint yet, so I’m not sure batting him in front of Pujols is a great idea either. But, then Tony will probably bat Freese there at least a few times.
3) Hell, we don’t even know if Freese is going to be the opening day third baseman.
4) I think the more likely argument against Raz in the #2 slot is that Tony likes his alternating lefty-righty patterns, so he’ll probably want to spread the lefties out. I didn’t think about that when I typed up that lineup. Maybe Ludwick would bat 2nd and Raz 5th.
Interesting to see that Chone is more optimistic about Colby's OBP than Bill James.
I tend to assume that Bill James is too optimistic about pretty much everyone.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
OT: Albert's HOF eligibility?
Does AP become eligible for the Hall of Fame once he plays in the first game? The rule is 10 seasons, right? But is there a minimum # of appearances per season he must meet?
defy, cards, defy. hey logic --- you suck.
Albert has to keep playing
until the HOF finishes his wing and statue, rules rules
Go Broncos!!
by from First to Third on Jan 6, 2010 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
you can't say that "he doesn't become eligible on the first game" but "there's no minimum # of appearances."
that doesn’t make sense. it has to be one or the other. there must then be some minimum number more than one.
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
No, there's not.
It’s 10 years of service time, period. Service time has absolutely nothing to do with plate appearances or innings pitched. Theoretically, a guy could be eligible for the Hall of Fame if he sat on a 25-man roster for 10 straight seasons and never got in a game.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 6, 2010 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
not if he gets sent through waivers to the minor leagues at any point in the season.
I suspect he’d probably put up about an .800 OBP in AA, which would be funny.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 7, 2010 8:07 AM EST up reply actions
Honestly
the Sterling Hitchcock / Haren days don’t seem that long ago to me. I have no problem with this deal being seven years. It was the only way it was going to get done, and if we get 4 NL Central Champion quality years out of him, then that’s worth the sacrifice of slightly overpaying for him on the final 3 in my mind.
On with the (good) youth movement!
I just noticed the Holliday signs thread has 1313 comments
I ain’t goin in there
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 6, 2010 7:23 PM EST reply actions
that's like 101 Boogs.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I read this comment on mlbtr that has me scratching my head
They said the Players Association wouldn’t let Albert sign a below market contract i.e. hometown discount.
If that’s true, how does that even work?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
i don't think they mean that literally - only that the MLBPA will pressure him not to sign a discounted contract (not that he would anyway, IMO)
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jan 6, 2010 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
didn’t the same thing happen with A-Rod when he was going to be traded to Boston? I may not recall correctly, but didn’t it have something to do with a restructuring of the contract that would bring down the total value? I do remember the MLBPA stepped in and made a big fuss, and it did not happen.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
some contract restructurings could, e.g., violate
the collective bargaining agreement, which would not be allowed. perhaps that was the issue with ARod’s possible “re-do.” But that’s not what I thought Y2S meant – i.e., where the PA wouldn’t “let” APu sign a below-market deal. They can’t do that.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jan 6, 2010 8:24 PM EST up reply actions
that's the one.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
language
Is it really necessary to include foul language with your writings. Not everyone who reads this is an adult. I know lots of young kids who read this site.
necessary? no. it's how he writes, though.
it’s not up to writers to write at a level acceptable to everybody. the writing is what it is. if the tone and content are not appropriate for your kids in your judgment, don’t let them read it.
if your response is that your kids are surfing the internet unsupervised, you have much bigger things to worry about than a poll question that says “Fuck yeah!” it is not any writer’s job to make the internet safe for six year olds.
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
It is not a blog for children
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jan 6, 2010 8:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
why isn't it a blog for children?
Im not saying to censor..but it should be ok for the young Cardinal fans to enjoy and learn about how to properly be a true cardinal fan rather than those yahoos who follow the Cubs because its romantic to follow losers.
it doesn't matter
If you want to gripe, that’s your choice. I’m turning 18 on Saturday, so my ‘kid’ status is officially done then.
Personally, I’m not offended, and people write how they write.
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nah zoomzoom, you will still be a kid here
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
ok....
whatever.
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no no no
i’m almost 20, and i’m still the kid around here.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 6, 2010 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
The only "kids" reading this are at least in their mid to late teens
I highly doubt any of them are not already overexposed to cursing from many other places. It is 2010…
I learned about blow jobs in third grade
and learned they didn’t involve blowing in the sixth grade.
I'll bet that was three years of really awkward-
you know what? Never mind.
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 1:09 AM EST up reply actions
We are of a kind, you and I.
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 1:23 AM EST up reply actions
hmm...
I bet I know what kind.
Now with extra feisty!
by spants on Jan 7, 2010 1:59 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Hey, not cool, Spants.
Not cool at all.
I’ve been outed in better joints than this, lady.
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 2:04 AM EST up reply actions
WHY ISN'T THIS GREEN????
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
he didn't know what one was like until his wedding night
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
I never understood why my mom wouldn't let me watch foul-languaged movies
when I heard worse language at school
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 6, 2010 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
Because you touched yourself at nite???
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
personally
I knew all the cuss words by the time I was 6, but I didn’t say them until I was a lot older. if only all kids could be like me
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 6, 2010 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
I don't mind the cussing
But when someone says something along the line of “Fuck You” to another member that they simply don’t agree with. That kind of rubs me the wrong way.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 6, 2010 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
just riding in the car with my parents
I knew all of them pretty fast
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 6, 2010 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
kids learn fast
my daughter’s first word was Dada, second Mama, third Uh Oh Shit. Started cleaning up the language when that happened. She’s 17 now and can swear like a longshoreman. I’m so proud.
hence the user name
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 7, 2010 1:15 AM EST up reply actions
I don't mind cussing, when it does serve a literary or real purpose...it is just a word afterall
however, when it is just used because the writer overuses such language it devalues the emotion or purpose of the word and then it just becomes another word that doesn’t mean anything. Like if I said every play everyone makes is ‘ridiculous’ it takes the meaning out of it when I say it in reference to the only ridiculous player on the team, pujols.
totally necessary
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 6, 2010 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
wow, dude really made a fanpost?
i wish i had read it
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Seriously
I tried to trade two chuckb pogs for a DanUp pog at St Joans last week and nearly got arrested. Kids don’t know shit about VEB these days!
by Mister Eff on Jan 7, 2010 12:46 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Are you the equivalent of SWL or BLou at BCB?
I can’t tell.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Can he juggle? I can juggle.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 7, 2010 12:55 AM EST up reply actions
we call him Mister F
for a reason
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
this is very funny
as Misssster Eff is the least obscene of the effers.
but he is, as many of us are, quite profane.
except for CGirl. she’s too good for us. or very devious. I suspect both.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
no, she's all good
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
I don't think I'm too good for you.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Jan 10, 2010 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
My name is Al Fritz.
I love the internet but hate anonymity. I’ve been bloggin’ about about the Cards since zoomzoom was literally 12 years old. I curse like a fucking Marine because I’m a fucking Marine. I drink two martinis before dinner every day and will shit where I want, when I want. Any fucking questions?
You drink martinis?
Vodka or gin in a tumbler sounds better.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
What is your best-kept intimate secret?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 7, 2010 1:00 AM EST up reply actions
you really don't want to know the answer to this
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
now I really do.
hahahaha.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I told you we didn't want to know
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
i'm not entirely disgusted
unless there was whispering involved.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Rawk ON! You sound like my kind of guy!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 7, 2010 1:03 AM EST up reply actions
We don't have any intimate secrets around here.
See my other published works. (And one unpublished but widely distributed through the underground, come to think of it.)
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 1:12 AM EST up reply actions
That story was totally epic, by the way
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Arigato.
I’m glad my bad days make for such excellent stories.
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by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 1:24 AM EST up reply actions
I'm remembering an epically hilarious but bad story
and can’t remember if it was your’s or not…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
If it involved a tomato,
that was most definitely mine.
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 1:38 AM EST up reply actions
man that things made its way around the interwebz
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 7, 2010 1:38 AM EST up reply actions
Really?
Hmph. That was most definitely not my intention. Oh, well. I suppose if I were that concerned, I wouldn’t have sent it to everyone who asked.
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 1:40 AM EST up reply actions
Didn't it get posted
on veb after hours?
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Don't know.
I’ve never actually visited the place.
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by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 1:44 AM EST up reply actions
I think that's where I saw it
Namely cause I wasn’t going to bother you to email it to me.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
See,
I just prefer to bring the level of discourse around here down, apparently. Going to a site that encourages vulgarity and an anything-goes attitude would only defeat my purpose.
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by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 2:00 AM EST up reply actions
gdm sent it to me, I think
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i did not publish it though
if it was published, someone else did it. i would never publish anything i was sent privately.
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
That would be the one..
Good times…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
From what I recall
She kinda brought it on herself. Where the tomato at the beginning was bringing it on herself…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Seriously?
You never read it?
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 2:04 AM EST up reply actions
Actually, I only sent the Jesus joke at all.
Hang on, I’ll send it right over to you. You’ll like it.
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by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 2:07 AM EST up reply actions
It's on the way now.
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 2:11 AM EST up reply actions
You would side with the chick.
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by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 2:05 AM EST up reply actions
You have no idea what burning down there is like.
And you don’t want to. But for the record, it’s clear you both had an AWFUL day.
Now with extra feisty!
That is very, very true.
I have no desire to ever find out what that was like.
And yes, I freely admit it was a much worse day for her. At least I got a good laugh out of it.
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 2:07 AM EST up reply actions
I have a hard time feeling sorry for her
She clearly needed a wakeup call re: doing things just because Cosmo magazine suggests them.
Plus, RB is the protagonist. And I can’t feel her pain. And maybe I’m also an ass.
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Someday, some part of you will be burning and you will think of this comment.
Now with extra feisty!
I really wonder the ratio
of negative things to happen due to Cosmo to good things tho happen due to Cosmo… it’s got to be at least 10 to 1.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
What you talk about!
Cosmo lowers women’s self esteem down to were I have a chance.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 7, 2010 2:21 AM EST up reply actions
In college I worked at the front desk
And several times me and a buddy were doing mail on Cosmo day… we would flip through to see what fun stuff they had came up with. I remember one in particular saying when a guy was about to finish to tug on the cajones to make him last longer… my immediate response was “and this is how domestic violence happens” I still think more harm than good is done by that magazine…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
there's not a magazine in the world
that brings womens self esteem down to a level where i have a chance
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
ah youth
and putting on a Trojan Extended Pleasure Condom on backwards
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 7, 2010 2:08 AM EST up reply actions
?
I’m going to need this one explained. Sorry.
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by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 2:12 AM EST up reply actions
Is that a technical term?
Numby stuff?
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 2:13 AM EST up reply actions
Speaking of technical terms,
are you familiar with the work of Mitch Fatel?
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by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 2:14 AM EST up reply actions
Kay.
He has a bit involving a technical term that never fails to bust me up. Let me see if I can locate it.
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by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 2:17 AM EST up reply actions
Shit.
I can’t find it. Anyhow, the story is thus:
He goes to the doctor for a physical, and toward the end the doctor takes a out a rubber glove and says he’s going to check his prostate. As he begins putting vaseline on the glove,
“Um, what are we doing here? He said, ’I’m gonna stick my finger in your butt.’ Except, he didn’t say that, he used like a medical term or something. ‘This motherfucker’s going in your ass!’ You know, like technical talk.”
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 2:21 AM EST up reply actions
if the phrase
‘lady bits’ aren’t used it doesn’t count…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
That's a good one too...
but I’ve always liked the phrase lady bits…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Extended pleasure kind of numbs your penis so you can last longer
Like booze but with less fun
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 7, 2010 2:14 AM EST up reply actions
or with less whiskey dick...
gotta look at the positives man…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Might as well be
Kind of numbs=can’t feel a thing. I’d much rather just think about baseball statistics…
Not afraid to nitpick
pffft
you’re on this site… you know that woudn’t help any… that would only get you more excited.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Only if I think of Soriano's contract
Jose Canseco’s “own home run” once ran through my head and I began laughing uncontrollably. That is an unfortunate circumstance to explain.
Not afraid to nitpick
Ah, now it makes sense.
I was trying to figure out how this related to burning.
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by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 2:14 AM EST up reply actions
no no no
That is another story down below
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 7, 2010 2:15 AM EST up reply actions
Bombay Sapphire gin martini, perfect, two olives.
The breakfast of champions.
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by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 1:10 AM EST up reply actions
pffft
If there’s no Maker’s I’m not interested… wait… if there’s no Maker’s or Jager I’m not interested…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
sbn has been kicking my ass
what good is this site when the z button won’t even function properly?
also, i’ve got a four tops station i just made on pandora and all i can ask is why the hell can’t pop music be even 30% as good as motown?
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
I only use the c button
what does this z button do
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 6, 2010 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
c tabs to new comments though if you leave the screen
so you don’t have to mark them
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 6, 2010 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
I've only used z,
but if I close the page and come back I get xxx comments, xx new, and can then go to the first comment I haven’t read. Does c do this?
* is an Asshat
yup
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 6, 2010 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
open up your world
alternatively:
Z will simultaneously mark and tab forward
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 6, 2010 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
ok
yeah, z works better
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 6, 2010 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
whoa - this is the greatest thing to ever happen
I think I love the z key.
by peach concrete on Jan 6, 2010 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
for reason it didn't work for me a while ago
but it works now
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 6, 2010 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
*some
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 6, 2010 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
why don't people know about the Z?
right below the story & the word comments it tells you all about it
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Am I the only one who literally never gets SBN'ed?
I’ve used SBN on a really wide array of computers and connections across the years and never had any SBN problems other than the occasional downtime. Am I just lucky or something?
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well, you do, by definition, have mojo.
or maybe tomorrow your computer will blow up.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I had one laptop break juuuust outside of warranty, and another was stolen from my apartment
In back-to-back years. That was several years ago, this one is due for a tragic meltdown or something soon.
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ouch
well, maybe this is where all the mojo goes. to SBN.
that might be being SBN’d, depending on definitions.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I get it, you think you are better than we are
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
it's ok, you're still named Matty.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
*Checks UIDs*
Yup. :P
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i get SBN'd at least once a day
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
i got it for the first time today when the Z decided to stop working
other than that its always worked smoothly
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 7, 2010 1:27 AM EST up reply actions
hey super stat guys
okay, here’s the thing. every player is projected to lose 0.5 WAR after every season over the long term, right? is there any accounting for the fact that all players peak at some point? and that that point is rarely at the beginning of their career? if i remember correctly, the average player peaks between ages 29 and 32. so isn’t it plenty likely that holliday could actually get better than he has been? or at least plateau for a couple of years? i know that after a certain age (37 or something) we start dropping more than half a win from each season, but from everything i’ve read it remains pretty static at -1 WAR per season from age 18 through 37 or 28 or whatever
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
See this comment
Most often they peak before reaching free agency. The -.5 is a cheap and easy projection.
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
okay, that makes more sense
so if holliday doesn’t get injured, we should only expect his to regress by about 2 runs through the first 4 years of his contract. meaning that, barring injury, he’s a 5 WAR player through those first 4 seasons
obivously, “barring injury” is a pretty huge caveat, but it helps put things in prespective. for me, at least
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
I wonder who is the oldest peak player
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 6, 2010 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
sounds about right
I was thinking it would be a pitcher though
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 6, 2010 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
ha,
probably. you kind of have to take that with a grain of salt, though
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
or a shot of steroids
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 6, 2010 9:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Clemens: ERA+ of 226 at age 42
Bonds OPS+ of 169 at age 42.
Both of those seasons were, um, chemically enhanced it appears.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
with the impending cluster copulation that is the first big snow of the year
may i ask what’s the fargin’ appeal with snow? Its cold. Its wet. It gets in your shoes. It makes simple transportation infinitely more difficult. I just don’t get it.
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
It's beautiful.
It makes the cold worthwhile.
Get better shoes if it’s getting in your shoes.
It’s supposed to snow here but weather.com claims it will 39 when it’s supposedly snowing. I’m confused right now.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
wunderground has the high for tomorrow at 20, which is the highest we get until the sweltering 23 for sunday
i suppose it’s preferable to other winter precipitation but that’s like saying wrigley field is preferable to a bush field in kenya.
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 6, 2010 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
It's preferable to ALL other precipitation.
Rain sucks. I hate it. You never come back from a rainy day dry.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Not if it's 35 and raining.
That is probably 100 bagillion million times worse than snow. and it feels even colder.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
eh
rain goes away eventually. Snow stays put, and after long enough it gets mixed with the salt and dirt and car exhaust and turns to ice and is a pain in the ass.
Besides, thunderstorms are the coolest thing on earth.
a big fat +1
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 6, 2010 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
It does not go away.
Not when it rains for two weeks straight causing you to have to change your route anywhere on campus because you can’t cut across grass anymore because it’s nasty and you’ll probably slip on a hill and fall in the mud. I have never had a good day when it was raining. However every day it snows I have a good day.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
I love thunderstorms
The more severe, the better. As long as it isn’t tornadic, I’ll watch it out the window.
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 6, 2010 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
did anyone else pretend they were zeus as a kid during tstorms
throwing lightning bolts and the like?
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
It's ok...
they say imaginative kids grow up to be really smart. Your probably a genius…
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
by guayzimi on Jan 6, 2010 10:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
man you just made yourself look smart
“your probably a genius..”
rec for that.
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 6, 2010 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
hmm...
[crickets]
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
You need a reinforced skylight...
for your tornado cellar. Get one of those big domed ones and you can have a 360 degree view of the mayhem outside.
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
That sounds badass!
Too bad most southern tornadoes occur at night…
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 6, 2010 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
we had a 270 degree view on our screened in porch when i was a kid.
i used to just sit out there and watch the lightning unless the rain blew in at too sharp an angle and started to really soak me. nothing like may and june thunderstorms.
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
when the movie twister came out in 96 i signed up to me a tornado chaser
then i was laughed at because my grades sucked & the AMS told me i’d never make it though the 8+ years it takes to be one.
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
true....at least it....smells nice after a nice rainfall?
i guess i’m socal bound eventually….
(or like most things i grouse about in my life i just deal with it rather than fixing it)
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 6, 2010 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
i love it there in summer
promised my 80 year old grandpa i’d climb a mountain with him there (yeah he still does that stuff….pretty kick ass man if i may so so myself)
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 6, 2010 9:04 PM EST up reply actions
It is the only thing that keeps
Asshats Californians people from overrunning where I live.
* is an Asshat
I agree with you
DOWN WITH SNOW
/shakes fist multiple times
Best moment I've ever seen at a Cards game in person
Follow me on Twitter: @zoomzoomj88
Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!
Dude, you live in Michigan!
Snow, its what we do here. Personally, I like it. Rain in the winter sucks hardcore.
yeah...
but I don’t like it that much. I’m a golfer, and the winter takes me into a 6 month offseason. I no like.
Best moment I've ever seen at a Cards game in person
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Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!
we're supposed to get hit with at least 9 inches in the next few days
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 6, 2010 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
It makes everything so bright outside at night. It's like the whole night is twilight.
Now with extra feisty!
until you slip on the ice
and bruise your assbone. Then you just see dark anger and the neighbors looking out their windows wondering why you are crying like a baby and cussing like a sailor.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
I actually fell on the ice last winter.*
Ice can suck a fat one.
*scoot, if you’re out there, I think this might be when my SI joint dysfunction started.
Now with extra feisty!
you rang?
I agree, falling and/or doing that stupid thing where you don’t realize you are stepping down from a curb or think you are on the bottom step and have one more left. . . thats what happened to me the second time I hurt mine.
Either way, people falling is good for all us PT people. . . the more people are hurt, the more money we make!
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
Here's the recipe for curing your hatred of snow.
Find a beautiful girl.
Take her to the zoo in the middle of winter with a foot of snow on the ground.
Afterward, head over to Art Hill to watch the sledders.
Go have dinner somewhere downtown.
Trust me, you won’t hate snow nearly as much afterward. You just have to stop focusing on the inconvenience and look at the beauty.
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 1:18 AM EST up reply actions
And ex-girlfriend of mine and I
once went to the ice hotel in Quebec, years ago.
It was awesome, but she complained it was too cold for intimacy. They keep it relatively warm, at least compared to what you would expect, but it’s still a bit on the chilly side for getting naked.
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 1:27 AM EST up reply actions
Tee-hee.
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 2:06 AM EST up reply actions
you don't?
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
The fact that it's cold is even more reason to engage in intimacy.
Keeps things warm.
by arch support on Jan 7, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
Hmm.
Do you hate sledders, Art Hill, or are you simply advocating murder?
’Cause I can totally get with #3.
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 1:27 AM EST up reply actions
and there was more than one religion.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
HFS
®
someone want to fill me in about just what the f you all are talking about?
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
this sounds like a reminiscing rather than a suggestion
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 7, 2010 1:21 AM EST up reply actions
A little of column A, a little of column B.
It’s still a good suggestion. Really.
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 1:25 AM EST up reply actions
ahhh now i just need to find the girl to do that with
and now the bcb’ers can see we weren’t kidding around about dating advice
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 7, 2010 1:28 AM EST up reply actions
I used to get so nervous sledding down Art Hill.
I was convinced I was going to fall through the ice. It was extremely stressful.
But that sounds like a completely lovely evening. Good on ya.
by peach concrete on Jan 7, 2010 1:27 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, if i could find a beautiful girl, do you think i'd be here at 2f'in am?
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Here in San Francisco
It’s a pleasant 50 degrees or so. Sometimes it gets down into the 40s in winter. BRRRRRR!
:P
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Yes, but it also gets down into the 40s in July, so...
Seriously, I once spent one of the most miserable afternoons of my life in Candlestick park right around Independence Day. It was fucking freezing.
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 1:30 AM EST up reply actions
Candlestick Park may have been
the worst MLB park to watch baseball.
Truly awful sightlines.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 7, 2010 1:34 AM EST up reply actions
My seats were okay,
but my shorts and tee shirt outfit was sadly misguided.
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by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 1:35 AM EST up reply actions
But even the good seats there suck.
The way I explain it is that the old Busch was a baseball stadium that they could jack around to make almost tolerable to watch football. Candlestick is just the opposite. Damn Handegg.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 7, 2010 1:39 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, that's certainly true.
I was too excited by getting to see Will Clark play in person to care that much about the seats at the time. He was my favourite player for a long time.
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 1:41 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, there's that
Honestly, though, the weather here is tremendous. It can get a little chilly in AT&T Park during night games, but if you come with a heavy coat it’s never so bad that you’re uncomfortable.
And honestly, the city is so amazing that it could be in Minnesota and I’d still live here.
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I love it here. However, 2:00 last call sucks, plus its so expensive to get hammered here. I love every time i go home being able to drink till 3:00 then, should the mood strike me, go over to the east side and drink till sun up. And its still way cheaper then getting drunk in SF!
I want Tung Po!
by ILoveTheSt.LouisCardinals on Jan 7, 2010 4:41 AM EST up reply actions
but those earthquakes are a biatch
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Dunno if it's been brought up yet
But the Cards will be paying $1.4-1.6 M of a deferred(no interest) $2 M per season over the life of the contract between 2020 and 2029. Cheers.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/baseball/mlb/wires/01/06/2010.ap.bbn.cardinals.holliday.0421/
huh
can I have a loan, mr. Holliday?
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 6, 2010 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
it counts toward
2010-2016 payroll
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Yeah my ass
When that money comes around to be paid they’ll be saying “Payroll is only 120M but when you count the deferred money we still owe Pujols/Holliday…”
Not afraid to nitpick
When I am 38 I will be cursing the lack of fiscal conservativeness of the fat cat's of the past
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 6, 2010 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
well i totally said the sun was going down around 5:30 tonight and guess what
naw, jus’ playin’ but really, this is pretty standard DeWitt operating procedure
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
I just new game called crack
Wait I mean Torchlight. It plays a lot like Diablo 2 if you like that. It seems to be highly addictive
YOU JUST NEW GAME?
/grammar nazi
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maybe all his base are belong.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
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bought played and beat that a few weeks ago
short but fun
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
Matrix?
I thought we had the salary matrix on perminate display somewhere?
Andy S
It is around $94M or so right now
I need to update mine
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 6, 2010 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
Speaking of Korean
I had some truly epic Korean BBQ recently. (My sister found us the authentic thing, since she’d spent the last few years in Korea.) It was totally amazing.
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somebody posted one
on one of the last couple of monster threads. Search for matrix, it should come up.
ot: 9 minutes left and cornell leads #1 KU by 4
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
phantom call field house lives up to its reputation again
once k"u" took the lead i knew cornell would never be given a chance to win it again
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
did you see that no-call on the over the back?
oh my god.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 6, 2010 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
the and 1 collins got was even worse.
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
welcome to the club
you a mizzou kid? i forget.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 6, 2010 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
was for 1.5 years...back in stl due to the normal reasons people come home
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
grades or money?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 6, 2010 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
grades....
i just grew really fed up with it all as i wasn’t really sure why i was there other than to keep my parents happy…the whole education side of mizzou has made me really cynical about education in general now.
and as for the sports/social scene i loved it and still make frequent trips. i just couldn’t justify having my parents pay whatever tuition+board is just so i could party and go to sports games.
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
yeah, i'm afraid that's what i would have done there as well
i fucked up at truman for christ’s sake. only god knows what would have happened at mizzou.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 6, 2010 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
honestly, the first two years of college
need to be assigned to high school. there’s no reason a 17 year old kid shouldn’t be able to comprehend remedial chemistry or statistics.
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
i would agree with this
but i also transferred 22 hours. so considering i got a semester and a half of college, i sort of did this.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 6, 2010 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
i transferred 12
but was still stuck in those 600 person chemistry and psychology classes….perhaps i’m just a whiny, spoiled, immature holden caulfield but i just couldn’t justify spending my time with those “classes.”
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
yeah
as a 19 year old sophomore, i felt pretty dumb sitting in an hour and twenty minute basic stats class twice a week.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 6, 2010 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
ii got a b+ in stats without attending one lecture
i turned the homework in and showed up for exams. piece of cake.
and the thing is, this just pissed me off more because it demonstrated to me that it was in fact a joke and waste of money. but until the system gets broken up, degrees devalued, tenured eliminated, etc. we’re never going to see any efficiency in our education.
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
don't get offended when i say this
but you did go to mizzou. there truly are some dumb people that go to that school.
and yeah, i did 0 homework and still got my B.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 6, 2010 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
I know someone who didn't even get into Mizzou.
I was saddened.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Haha please
Clemson’s median ACT scores are 2 points higher with the SD of ACT scores being 6. 85% of Mizzou people could just have easily gotten into Clemson if in state and whatnot….and then Mizzou has only an 83% retention rate for sophomore year vs. Clemson’s 92% i.e. Mizzou weeds more people out.
As for the above points, this is why you get them to give you scholarship money and in exchange you get a legitimate degree with a high GPA and 4 years of pure fun…..and then go to a good grad school when it’s time to keep it real.
Not afraid to nitpick
I am not saying Mizzou is a worse school than Clemson.
I am saying not being able to get into either when you are in state is sad. Fortunately for those people in SC there is always South Carolina.
Your retention rate thing is weird to me. High retention rates are considered good, not bad. That means more students were happier, got what they needed to succeed, etc.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
For a state school
It means they are weeding more people out IMO. Mizzou makes the intro level math classes much more difficult than the next level (from what I’ve heard, yay college credit!) just for this reason.
It’s a party school that everyone enjoys and it’s not difficult academically to maintain a 2.0 GPA or whatever. Outside of one guy who left for personal reasons, everyone else I knew who transferred out were either morons who couldn’t balance the social life with getting their work done, or a couple of guys who transferred to Ivy League. For the morons who couldn’t get their work done, that’s good riddance for the school and the class progression is designed to find those people.
Not afraid to nitpick
At Clemson there are not a lot of people who can't balance social with school
And I’m in sorority, I know the partyers. Clemson stresses asking for help and professors always give help.
I have seen very good students challenged by the entry level science and math courses, this is an engineering school. But they all passed by asking for help and utilizing what the university gave them. That is what a high retention rate tells you. That even students who may struggle can easily get the help they need.
I took Math 101 (because I didn’t take Statistics in HS, lame) which is not really Clemson’s entry level course. Math 106 (Calc) is and from what I have heard is incredibly hard.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Also don't take this as a knock on Mizzou either.
Clemson’s smaller, it gets to give more help to students simply because Professors have less students to deal with.
I could pull out national rankings but really I like Mizzou and if I had realized that I wanted to go to a bigger D-1 school when I was applying to schools I may have ended up there.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
There's plenty of help available here
And that’s the point, the admissions standards aren’t as high as they could be but they make it a point to make sure people aren’t idiots by putting some roadblocks in the way early on. It really takes some work to fuck up, so those who do end up flunking out are people the university doesn’t want. Helping them in the short term would only end up damaging the university’s credibility long term.
Not afraid to nitpick
I cannot believe you are saying schools should not help students who need it.
Some students need help and if they get help something clicks and they start learning. Their prior education has often failed them in this case. You are arguing this with an education major, we are going to have to agree to disagree because we will never agree on this point.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
I would still say their prior education failed them.
In South carolina those kids don’t get into Clemson and go to South carolina where they get degrees and don’t get valued jobs in the state that go to Clemson grads. I think that is a critical difference in the schools; SC has two major state schools allowing one to be pretty selective for a state school. Missouri has one state school, at the Clemson and USC level that is, so it accepts a lot more people.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
This Missouri State grad. . .
chuckles at your insistence that Missouri only has one state school. And the Truman State kids will be all up in your grill after they return back to their dorms from their dates at Wal-Mart.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 7, 2010 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
screw you man
we date at the kirksville 8 cine!
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 7, 2010 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
I meant nationally known.
I would actually prefer Missouri State. I love Springfield. It is probably my second favorite city in Missouri.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
it is my second favorite
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
You are also disregarding the sizes of the schools.
Mizzou is about twice the size of Clemson.
Clemson also uses the SAT way more than the ACT. Most of my friends did not even take the ACT.
Again I was not dissing Mizzou. Mizzou will give you a great education, if you are willing to work at it. Clemson is the same. I could have gone to way more challenging schools but I chose Clemson knowing I would have to work to keep myself challenged.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
dontlookatmedontlookatmedontllookatme
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
I didn't mean you.
From what I understand you had a rough high school life which probably made it hard to focus on schoolwork. This kid was just an idiot.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Jan 10, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
on that point, to make more whiny excuses
i went to a good private high school where i was a solid “B” student. the problem is for all the great things we had our counseling department was horrible. they made it seem that if you weren’t an “A” student state school was basically the only option. My class had 40/270ish kids go to Mizzou, to give you an idea. I basically feel like I got cheated from going to a better school basically because i wasn’t at the top of my high school class. (and, for the record, my junior year high school courses were more demanding than probably anything I encountered at Mizzou).
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
hmmmmm
i have a 20% chance here. i’m going to say….chaminade
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 6, 2010 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
damn...that was going to be my guess
i know a decent amount of sluh boys. not one i dislike.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 6, 2010 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
first name + last initial?
or at the very least, what year graduated?
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
oh that gets me nowhere
not even sure why i asked
still wanna know though
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
It's not you
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 6, 2010 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
im 2007 so of course not
and perhaps hearing real names would make the internet too real anyway
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
huzzah!
time to get the yearbook out!
/way too cold and comfortable to actually get up and get a yearbook
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
His last name starts with D.
fang better not say anything to anyone in real life.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
i'm going to find out who it is
i have tons of sluh friends.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 6, 2010 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
You know this person.
You are not allowed to say a thing.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
/WAY LATE
HAAHAHAHAHA, just figured it out.
nicole is decent friends with him.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 7, 2010 12:09 AM EST up reply actions
I know.
I was decent friends with him. Then he left. John is very good friends with him but John is already setting me up with another SKUH friend (not really).
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
that's cool
yeah, i was friends with him in 7th grade when he was crazy. then he went to sluh and i never heard from him again.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 7, 2010 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
there's two of them!
one ive never heard of while the other i used to know quite well. im thinking its the one i never heard of as the other guy lives in illinois
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
Brian Dawson?
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 6, 2010 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
I was just messin with ya
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 6, 2010 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
there are three types of students
A) The smart kids who try. Not only are they naturally gifted but they also do 8 hours of homework a night, have papers done 3 weeks ahead of time, etc.
B) The dumb kids who try. What they lack in natural acumen they make up for with effort. They too do lots of homework, spend the majority of their free time in various faculty office, and more than anything sincerely care about getting good grades.
C) The third (and biggest) group is the kids who don’t try instead coasting on natural ability. Their GPAs probably mirror those in group B but they put in nowhere near the effort. Group C kids can be seen completing 5 classes of homework in a single 45 minute window of break time during the day. They don’t particularly care for school or the work, mainly because they’ve always been able to get by by doing so.
Pretty obvious that I’m a C’er. And its these kids I think SLUH fails the most because they are never really challenged. The minimum effort gets a B but they’re never really challenged to do better.
that’s enough self aggrandizing OT ranting for one day though so I’ll stop.
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
I'm definitely a C)er
I blame it on Sabermetrics
by vivaelpujols on Jan 6, 2010 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
You forgot the annoying smart kids who don't try.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
if by smart you mean uber smart and not a C.
we had one of those. he got a perfect ACT score, saves babies in africa, and is now breezing through the physics department at cal tech. the kid taught himself calculus so he could test out of it for chrissakes. he hardly ever did homework but would shame the teachers into feeling stupid so it never mattered.
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
He sounds like he tries on what he cares about.
I am talking about the smart kids who don’t try on anything and get straight A’s and don’t care about anything.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
i guess that would be the elite C club
because certainly some of the C’ers were first honors students. when they had them stand at graduation i was shocked at some of the kids who got it.
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
They anger me.
I guess I am kind of like that. but I think the difference is, I try when I have to. I care about grades so I will do what I can to get good grades, if it means I don’t have to try then I won’t but I’ll spend that time trying on something else.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
I knew some D'ers
People who are dumb and don’t try
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 6, 2010 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
and then there's gdm
poor f’in gdm, he never had a prayer
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
That's just wrong.
You could have gone to many schools. SCholarships may have been an issue at some places but some places are very good with financial aid. I am sorry the counseling department was bad.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
talk to your legislature
not your professors
i do agree its a crime, but its how too little money gets spent at most public universities
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
Luckily my major is pretty small so all my classes are really small.
When I have to take 101’s they have been language and math which Clemson makes a point of making small. The biggest classes I’ve had are History and I like history so I just paid attention anyway.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
we've been over this...
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 6, 2010 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
i honestly never remember choosing that screen name
but when i tried registering one time it said i already had with that email address with this screen name. so i rolled with it. will probably roll out a new s/n sooner than laer.
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
saint louis u high?
why is a high school called a university anyway? that makes no sence to me at all
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
it was originally in conjunction with st. louis u.
then moved to its own place in the 20s but they kept the name
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
Has the salary deferral of $2 million per year been discussed?
This has to take the edge off the eight year length. Value is defintiely less than 17 per given the deferral. I haven’t run the math but this has to take value to AAV of $16 per year.
Just win
Tried to run excel
Usig a 5% discount rate the NPV of this is roughly $104 million or $13 AAV assuming eight years at $15 million, a couple years of 0, and then 10 years at 1.6 million.
Just win
the stock market returned
negative this past decade
current interest rates on 10 years treasuries is a little over 3%
the cost of money is historically cheap and
deferral doesn’t hurt holliday much at all (may help the cards a bit form a cash flow point of view)
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
And look at it another way ...
Back in November, a VEB poll found that two-thirds of us would be willing to pay MH 5/95. If the club felt the same way – that is, was willing to set aside $19M a year for the next five years, the surplus over $15M paid MH each year, earning 5%, would mean they’d only have to kick in a tad over $8M for each of the last two years and still have enough in the bank to cover the deferred money AND the $1M option buyout. Even at just 3% the last two years would be less than $10M each.
I think Mo done pretty damn good.
ceterum censeo, delendo est Joe Strauss
so, it looks like
jan 19 is the date that arbitration figures are exchanged, but i can’t find the date that it goes to an arbiter if no agreement is reached. anyone know?
also, “arbiter”? really? i always thought it was “arbitor,” but firefox is telling me i’m wrong
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
I'm more excited for Lincecum's arbitration stuff than any recent contract situation not involving Strasburg
Not afraid to nitpick
i'm interested to see what happens
will they go to arbitration?! but definitely not more interested than anything cardinal related
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
when is it "arbiter" and when is it "arbitrator?"
i’ve heard it both ways recently.
Heaven has brick walls and St. Peter is a red bird.
by EinFesteBusch on Jan 6, 2010 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
arbitrators are people who decide arbitrations
arbiter is a Halo character.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jan 7, 2010 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
arbiter: someone with the power to settle matters at will
…and a badass video game persona. :)
i guess the two words are interchangeable…no reason you couldn’t use one and not the other.
Heaven has brick walls and St. Peter is a red bird.
by EinFesteBusch on Jan 7, 2010 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
the legal dictionary
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
not entirely sure this is what you're looking for, but...
In January, the player and the club each submit a salary figure to a three-person panel of professional arbitrators. hearings are conducted between the 1st and 20th day of February.
Heaven has brick walls and St. Peter is a red bird.
by EinFesteBusch on Jan 6, 2010 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
As of this writing
1067 votes, and only 513 comments. What does that say about how many lurkers there are, considering that most commenters leave more than one comment.
There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 6, 2010 10:20 PM EST reply actions
ok here's #2
mo did not get hosed, but bouros got more than he should have, but he
would not have gotten it until february at the earliest
look at the manny deal last year
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
I lurker.
I don’t have the time to comment too often. guys do a great job
Andy S
by apaul1029 on Jan 6, 2010 10:35 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
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Pujols a piece of the pie.
I never understood why a team does not offer part of itself to a player like Pujols. We will offer 10% of the team ($46mil) plus $20mil/yr for 10yr. He does well the value of the team goes up and he makes even more. Personally, I say 20% to Pujols. But it is not my money.
Andy S
against the CBA, i believe
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Giving up equity in a closely-held business
is dumb dumb dumb.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 6, 2010 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
that would be the benefit to Pujols
I don’t say do this with Matt Holiday, Ramirez, or 99.999%of all the players out there. I would for Pujols, Ruth, Musial, Ted Williams. Unless you think he is not going to continue his production.
Andy S
and even if was against the rules, what is the benefit to you if you're DeWallet (sorry)?
You give up 10% of the profit stream forever, and 10% of the proceeds when you eventually sell out to save yourself some short-term cash flow over the life of the Pujols contract?
Not smart. Unless you’re losing money hand over fist, of course, but I strongly doubt that is the case. And even then, it’s not smart.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 6, 2010 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
20 mil per year for ten years is PLENTY for Pujols. Giving him 10% of a business (the Cardinals) which is surely valued in the hundreds of millions seems, well, crazy. And, as PJ said, it’s against the CBA. So, no go.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 7, 2010 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
I wonder if my avatar
still applies…?
By the way, how unreal is it that Pujols might take a home discount? You know, to keep the competitiveness in St. Louis intact… Perhaps too much fantasia?
I want the Walrus back...
Cubs fan from BCB here.
Congrats on the signing. I’d rather have Holiday for 7 than Soriano for anything at this point. With Pujols resigning sooner or later, I’d infinitely more afraid of the Cardinals than I am any other Central team. Good luck in 2010. God knows we need it.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Jan 7, 2010 12:14 AM EST reply actions 6 recs
what?
a cub fan with a rational response?
thanks man.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 7, 2010 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
The length of the deal, IMO, isn't indicative of the Cardinals' desires.
It’s indicative of the Cardinals’ willingness to commit to Pujols for the long-term.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
there's good ones?
really?
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
thanks
here’s to holliday’s deal being better than soriano’s!
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
As much as I hate to admit it...
…TLR, Duncan, and Pujols are enough men to jump on and ride to a division title. Holliday is just icing on the cake. Duncan’s a genius with reclamation projects. I think you guys are set for 2010’s title. We have little offense and an outfield & middle infield that’s a giant clusterfuck.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
I dunno
I don’t think your MIF is much worse than ours. I still think Fontenot (despite what most Cub fans seem to think) was just unlucky last year and is probably an average 2B, and it seems Theriot is definitely somewhere in the region of “a bit above average”, regardless of whether he’s at 2B or SS, AND you’ve got the young guy whose name I temporarily forgot to (perhaps) start at SS this year. Ryan is probably (at best) as good as Theriot, overall, mainly thanks to his awesome defense, and Schumaker/Lugo at 2B is no great shakes.
Our outfield is far superior, true enough, but I think you can make the case that your pitching is at least as good as ours.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 7, 2010 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
I recced this.
Maybe I should rec the other nice and smart Cub fan upthread too.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
i'm sorry, but i just can't do it
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Nice thread, VEB.
I may have to come over here a bit more in 2010.
And KU just beat Cornell…barely…which makes my mood a bit higher than normal, so hell, that may change in the future. Good discussion boys.
Dan
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
glad to have you
always good to have civil conversation with the rivals
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Being third-generation Cubs' fan...
…I have yet to have a negative interaction with Cardinals’ fans. Always been civil and chock-ful of good ol’ baseball knowledge. I think it is a fantastic rivalry, if 101+ years of losing can allow for it to still be called a “rivalry”.
Now Brewers’ fans, I fucking hate them.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Brewers fans are like spoiled soup.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 7, 2010 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
I recall at some point in 2009
there was a touching moment of Cubs fans-Cards fans unity when we mutually agreed that Ryan Braun was completely intolerable.
I hate him almost more than I hate Barry Bonds.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Ryan Braun makes my vagina itch.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 7, 2010 1:01 AM EST up reply actions
You know,
that’s a sentence I’ve only heard twice before. Interesting.
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 1:20 AM EST up reply actions
i'd never thought i'd hear that. interesting
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
whose got the douche pics?
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 7, 2010 1:02 AM EST up reply actions
Brewers fans are like spoiled soup.
Which is somewhat ironic, as one fifth of their rotation is like spoiled Soup.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 7, 2010 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
The Brewers fans I met when I went to Miller Park were very nice.
But they hate Cubs fans so I assume they are not quite as nice to y’all.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
brewer fans
are kind of like astro fans. they’re really bitter because they aren’t included in the coolest rivalry in baseball
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Wow.
A Cubs fan and a Kansas fan? Are you the anti-Christ?
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 7, 2010 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
just a masochist, i imagine
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
and yet he seems....alright
2012 must be closer than we realize.
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
Chicago born.
Wisconsin undergrad. Minnesota grad. KU PhD. Confusing, I know.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
big ten sucks!
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 7, 2010 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
Big 10 had a fuckin' GREAT bowl season.
OSU, Iowa, PSU, Bucky the Badger with huge wins. The rest, notsomuch.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
big ten sucks!
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 7, 2010 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
good call
mizzou fan. and save the mizzou sucks they lost to navy jokes. they’re a much better conference.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 7, 2010 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
That's fine. Football @ KU is a joke. Basketball?
I’ll take my 2007 Orange Bowl, 2007 National Championship, and #1 ranking in 2010 and go sit in my corner. KU sucks at football, everybody here knows that. We got a good 7 NBA players on this year’s roster. Try that on.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
see--we were talking about the big ten and you had to get into mizz-ku
that could get ugly.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 7, 2010 12:55 AM EST up reply actions
we like rational cubs fans!
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 7, 2010 12:35 AM EST up reply actions
a rarity, really
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 7, 2010 1:18 AM EST up reply actions
i don't believe what i'm seeing
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
GOB help the kids if you ever have to get up early for the crosswalk duties
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
my brothers are off from high school
do i still have to go to work?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 7, 2010 12:58 AM EST up reply actions
SWEET
you’re the best, mister eff!
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 7, 2010 1:09 AM EST up reply actions
Did VEB and BCB cross streams tonight?
by Mister Eff on Jan 7, 2010 1:06 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
More like touched tips.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 7, 2010 1:06 AM EST up reply actions
maybe it's just so bad in BCB that they're coming here.....?
also, this is the Back to the Future post, not the Ghostbusters post.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
BCB has been so farking boring lately...
you have no idea.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 7, 2010 1:07 AM EST up reply actions
we have a pretty good idea
y’all have got to show up to this whole rivalry thing more often. we’re rather disappointed.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
welcome to our world.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 7, 2010 1:09 AM EST up reply actions
WE'RE GOIN STREAKINGGGGGGG
DOWN THRU THE QUAD
TO THE GYMNASIUM
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
theyll be so broadside by dating advice and the general neurotic and unstable nature of most of our posters
that theyll just leave confused
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 7, 2010 1:10 AM EST up reply actions
nobody's unstable
NOBODY. OKAY.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
most certanly gdm, he's one level headed m'fer if there ever was one
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
wooooooo!
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 7, 2010 1:19 AM EST up reply actions
honestly though
that last series w/ the Cubs in STL in late Sep 09 was pretty tense the whole time….
You can say FUCK here SWL.
We’re not on BCB.
FUCK.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
oh great, now they'll all show up and feel all liberated.
don’t anyone tell them about the 6 inches.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I'll tell you about soup club if you tell me about 6 inches.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 7, 2010 1:13 AM EST up reply actions
everyone on the internet is issued a whole 6 inches.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
for them? 6 inches.
keep it in your pants, gdm.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
exactly.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
probably hasn't changed them in like 2 months
and they’re probably russel sweatpants
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 7, 2010 1:23 AM EST up reply actions
damn, tough but fair F
and i don’t even own sweatpants btw
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
If you tell him about Soup Club then I'm cancelling next week's Chili Cook-Off.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Do it faggot. That cook-off is rigged anyway.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 7, 2010 1:17 AM EST up reply actions
Please except this picture of a delicous steak as an apology and a promise to not say that word again.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 7, 2010 1:20 AM EST up reply actions
think of what MooCow will say.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
this is from your "do not post porn" replies, isn't it.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
That looks a lot like some flattened ducks I saw in Chinatown recently
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I think I just found my 6 inches.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 7, 2010 1:12 AM EST up reply actions
Fuck. Sorry.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 7, 2010 1:14 AM EST up reply actions
Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
I was trying to explain this sentence to my sister recently
She didn’t get it. I couldn’t decide if she was stupid for not being able to parse it, or if I was stupid for not being able to make her understand.
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Homonyms ftw!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 7, 2010 1:43 AM EST up reply actions
Dude.
I think he just called you gay.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 7, 2010 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
insta ban IMO
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 7, 2010 1:14 AM EST up reply actions
wth is going on
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 7, 2010 1:25 AM EST up reply actions
BCB'ers are discovering the freedom to swear on the internet.
and that freedom ain’t free.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
costs a buck o' five
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 7, 2010 1:28 AM EST up reply actions
SWL n I aren't what you would call "BCB"ers.
We’ve superseded that title. More like Na’vi.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
you're actually blue...?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Goddammit Dan, I should flag this post.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 7, 2010 1:33 AM EST up reply actions
I'll get Al to ban you if you do such a thing.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
::puts on Drew mask::
All I’m saying is that you can’t judge a poster like that.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 7, 2010 1:39 AM EST up reply actions
this shit is fucking weird
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
you need a subject line though
spants will stab you for that kinda crap
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
a dull rusty icepick
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 7, 2010 1:14 AM EST up reply actions
so there's no evidence?
wasn’t that a mythbusters…?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
of course when gdm gets here
you all better leave
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
I emailed him earlier
he is away from his computer. He said that one guy will have to wait to feel his wrath until later.
I think gdm might actually be on a date!
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
HFS ®
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
grainy from his camera phone?
[is learning]
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
come on. you all know that will never, ever happen
fwiw, i was helping my sis out. she’s sick & her husbands a moran so i was doing some errands for her
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
don't worry cody, i lost all hope long, long ago
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
ya'll have a VEB ettiqute guide?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 7, 2010 1:15 AM EST up reply actions
we are not animals over here
unlike you dirty cub fans
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
hell, that makes no sense
quit drinkin and typin matty!
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
nonsense. this is VEB.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
just don't talk about bacon or a robot will kill you
or something
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 7, 2010 1:17 AM EST up reply actions
You can't talk about bacon here? What kind of place is this?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 7, 2010 1:18 AM EST up reply actions
bacon is for the pegacorns.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I've never heard you so vulgar before, VEP.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
you guys are funny.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
if the kid wants Kevin Bacon, who are we to judge
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 7, 2010 1:22 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
WHY ISN'T THIS GREEN????
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
oh, we do use subject lines for graphics, though.
otherwise there really is cutting and burning. at least, that’s what I’ve been told. I don’t cross ’em.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
crossing swords
only ok in very desperate times
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 7, 2010 1:07 AM EST up reply actions
who knew i made a ghostbusters reference?
i do own it though….perhaps ill pop it in tonight
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 7, 2010 1:09 AM EST up reply actions
oh man, I read that as "pop tonight"
though the other way works too, I suppose….
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
ditto
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
fuck you know my name because of deadspin
the internet is weird
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 7, 2010 1:20 AM EST up reply actions
I find Will not being in charge of deadspin now weird.
Everythings different. I’d explain it, but I;d sound like the dumb jock from San Dimad High trying to explain technology.
aj dude = fail
sums it up quite nicely.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 7, 2010 1:25 AM EST up reply actions
he did get a mention at GoodReporter's twitter
doing a Brando over Ankiel. as per usual.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
PETE!
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 7, 2010 1:25 AM EST up reply actions
Your response to Eff above was close
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
do we cut them or burn them?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Actually, I believe it's gone already, isn't it?
If it’s still around, I was planning on answering at some point.
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 1:29 AM EST up reply actions
Yep, it's gone.
Personally, I was going to leave it up. If I have the freedom to say whatever words I want, I thought I would at least allow him to complain about them.
Probably just asking for trouble, though.
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 1:32 AM EST up reply actions
remember when i mentioned bacon hating robots?
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 7, 2010 1:33 AM EST up reply actions
This place is run by Jewish Robots?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 7, 2010 1:34 AM EST up reply actions
i was told there is turkey bacon.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
NO RELIGION
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 7, 2010 1:35 AM EST up reply actions
hiss
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 7, 2010 1:35 AM EST up reply actions
only rockers here
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 7, 2010 1:33 AM EST up reply actions
They're mod wolves!
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 1:34 AM EST up reply actions
I am a mod,
but the head of the blog is DanUp.
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 1:33 AM EST up reply actions
So you're like Jake Sully?
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Something like that, yeah.
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 1:38 AM EST up reply actions
That movie sucked, by the way.
Visual porn, story about as deep as Clueless or The Notebook.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Why would you even pretend to know the plot of Clueless or The Notebook?
Unless you received blowjobs from the girls you took to see them. That’s the only scenario I can think of in which I could forgive you for having that knowledge.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 7, 2010 1:41 AM EST up reply actions
Taking knowledge from a guy with a Britney Spears avatar makes much more sense, you're right.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
I have to say I enjoy your name...
if only because it reminds me of one time I was driving back to STL from Chicago and listening to Q101. They were doing some contest where you had to answer some question that was something like… take the year the Bears won the Super Bowl subtract Jordan’s number multiply by the number of legs Ron Santo has… before someone kicked the guy off the mic. It was epic…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Thank you for the amusing anecdote.
I also enjoy your name, if only because it reminds me of the one time I kidnapped a hooker and used duct tape to bind her hands and feet so I could shoplift sex from her.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 7, 2010 1:52 AM EST up reply actions
"shoplift sex" may be the greatest euphemism ever
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 7, 2010 1:53 AM EST up reply actions
That would be a great defense to use...
I’d like to plead out to shoplifting…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
that implies you're gonna be "shoplifting sex" in the near future
i wonder if that would actually work in those few select counties in nevada though
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 7, 2010 1:56 AM EST up reply actions
I guess you could also call it "pickpocketing" too.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 7, 2010 1:57 AM EST up reply actions
officer, it was simple petty larsony
i got in and out of there real quick and took nothing
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 7, 2010 2:00 AM EST up reply actions
The DNA evidence would be your downfall.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 7, 2010 2:01 AM EST up reply actions
Ahhh, 1998. That was a good year.
Good thing that K-Mart went out of business otherwise we’d be in prison by now.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
I'm SO going to regret jumping in here...
But Clueless is a modern-day adaptation of Emma, by Jane Austen, and I personally think it’s pretty smart. I wouldn’t lump it in with The Notebook.
by peach concrete on Jan 7, 2010 1:51 AM EST up reply actions
I think I just ate some shrooms and then read this.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
and Turk!
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
That's what I keep saying!
Everyone here disagrees with me, though.
Oh, god.
This can’t be happening.
I do believe I’ve just sided with a Cub fan against my own people.
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 1:42 AM EST up reply actions
PM me and we can hold hands at the next Cubs/Cards game.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
don't do it rb, that's not man stew, repeat, that's not man stew.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 7, 2010 1:44 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Just make sure it's not at Wrigley...
awfully close to North Halsted there… not that there’s anything wrong with that…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Sweet.
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 2:01 AM EST up reply actions
I agree
Awful movie, zero desire to ever see it again. But it was worth seeing the cool 3D special effects once.
Not afraid to nitpick
i thought we were talking about porn
never mind.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
You'll love this
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Yeah but you'll love the trailer more!
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
i got sbn'd! also i suck at english
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 7, 2010 1:46 AM EST up reply actions
Oh, and actually,
Clueless was way better on the writing front.
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 1:43 AM EST up reply actions
good deal
I really didn’t want my internet brother to die on a night when he might get lucky.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
now i feel like i let you all down by not getting lucky
damn my pathetic existence
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
i done it.
it devolved from semi-rational discussion of the issue to ironic cursing to direct insults to the original poster. whatever you thought of him, it was over the line.
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
he/she really didn't know what they were getting into
did they
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 7, 2010 1:35 AM EST up reply actions
you're missing a comma.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
you may have to specify which one
i don’t recommend all of them…
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
i bet you do and you just don't see them.
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
if VEP is drunk with power tomorrow, I'm blaming you.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
if he hasn't figured it out now, please don't anyone show him
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
repent for the f-bomb!
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 7, 2010 1:31 AM EST up reply actions
oh cmon
it had to be azru
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 7, 2010 1:32 AM EST up reply actions
I didn't delete any posts
I happened to be busy last night and am reading through this post now.
I have to say it’s all pretty reprehensible and childish. It feels like everyone is 13 and thinks cursing makes you cool. Whatever restraint I’ve seen in the last few days disappeared during this thread.
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
Agreed.
And it’s all the Cubs fans’ faults.
[points]
by arch support on Jan 7, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
(Stirs the pot)
Hey how many Cardinals got into the HOF today?
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
one
his name is the white rat
BAM
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 7, 2010 1:42 AM EST up reply actions
well it wasnt announced today but yeah....
also 100+ years
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 7, 2010 1:42 AM EST up reply actions
ok, now go watch Ghostbusters. you've earned it.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Congrats on Dawson, by the way.
I’m disappointed they still keep overlooking Blyleven, but it was good to see the Hawk get in.
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 1:44 AM EST up reply actions
yeah
I didn’t mind seeing Dawson make it in… I just don’t get the people who didn’t vote
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 7, 2010 1:45 AM EST up reply actions
do we know about the blank ballots yet?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Not that I've heard.
But those five should be killed.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
marriotti was one apparently
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 7, 2010 1:49 AM EST up reply actions
oh and BOO
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 7, 2010 1:49 AM EST up reply actions
aaahhh warn us
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Now Raines will never get in
since if the Expos couldn’t have had three HOFers at the same time, otherwise they would have won the World Series.
I hate writers logic.
eff.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
What he said.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 7, 2010 1:48 AM EST up reply actions
haha
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
i could watch that all night
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 7, 2010 1:52 AM EST up reply actions
i've got a few that will blow it away
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
MLB Network was making it seem like he's going in as an Expo.
It’s up to the player’s discretion, though, no? His most productive years were with the Expos, but he became a star with Chicago.
And Bert & Robbie just got screwed. I feel so bad for Bert; he better get in next year. As a fan of the Twins, he’s just a wonderful ambassador for the game of baseball.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Didn't the HOF decide to start picking what hat the player wears on the plaque?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 7, 2010 1:47 AM EST up reply actions
I thought they did after Boggs pulled his
Devil Ray non sense… but I could be wrong…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
I thought he played for Canada
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 7, 2010 1:45 AM EST up reply actions
hall of shame more like it
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 7, 2010 1:44 AM EST up reply actions
Oh, how I knew it....
That this site was going to be the leader in Monday morning quarterbacking this deal. I knew the front page here would say it was too many years.
Look, when’s the last time one of Billy Beane’s teams went to the World Series? They haven’t. Enough already with thinking that his is the only one way to build a successful franchise. Because it’s worked so well in Oakland!
And oh yea, La Russa sucks to and I’m sure any of his numerous detractors here could do a much better job managing. But maybe only if the lineup, instead of Holiday and Pujols at its heart, had in it Jack Cust and Scott Hairston.
It’s a good deal and the Cardinals are Division champs at least 4 out of the next 7 years.
Are you going to marry that strawman or just fuck it?
by Mister Eff on Jan 7, 2010 2:04 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
in the space of a few comments, I've found out far too much about the bedroom activities of cubs fans
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
If anyone wants to write a section in a logic textbook on straw man arguments
Just copy and paste above
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
Most of us think it's a decent enough deal. No one is upset Matt Holliday is on the team. The end.
Now with extra feisty!
Apparently you've ignored the poll results or
didn’t read the front page post….
No. You're just incapable of understanding nuance.
Now with extra feisty!
by spants on Jan 7, 2010 2:17 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
or reading
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Please elaborate
I’d be happy to have you point out where I’m incorrect. You’ll have to pardon my ignorance, I’m still learning to read.
you said it.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
how little you read?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Yes, I'm sure your intellect is far superior to mine
How did you come up with that hilarious, witty, and profound signature block. I’ll bet you’re a real hit with the ladies to? What, with all that learnin’ and stuff that the rest of us don’t have.
yup.
and half that signature is from The Hardball Times.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I know, right?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
... is a monosyllabic word.
… is a palindrome.
AND THIS MIGHT GET ME BANNED, BUT FUCK IT
… is your mom, upside down.
Now with extra feisty!
by spants on Jan 7, 2010 2:42 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
damn
now I miss upside down calculator jokes. not that I knew many of them… math was never my strong suit.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Which one of you
is typing from your parent’s basement right now?
You mean, big guns
as in calculator jokes? Yea, I can’t keep up with those.
And frankly only you know if it’s true (the parent’s basement thing).
I’m curious though: When you cry yourself to sleep some nights, do you suck the thumb consciously or unconsciously?
riddle me this, why are you making these posts?
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 7, 2010 2:51 AM EST up reply actions
he's young
and I thought I told him to go watch Ghostbusters
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Because me no read so good...
Or get nuance (whatever that is)….
You started out being an ass.
Go look at the percentages of the poll and tell me people on this site don’t understand that Matt Holliday – iffy years and all – is good for the Cardinals.
Now with extra feisty!
I am telling you that
more think it’s too many years. Not sure how pointing that out or disagreeing with it qualifies for ass status.
But you do seem to know best so…OK.
Actually,
it was the strange Billy Bean and Tony La Russa comments that qualified you as being an ass.
I took offense to the implied dissing of my current living situation for the next 8 days
Not only am I in my parents basement, I’m sleeping on a couch as well. The couch is more comfortable than the futon, so yes I am sleeping on my parents couch in the basement.
Not afraid to nitpick
Ah futons
Have you ever heard Adam Carolla’s rants on those?
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
There are a few
but the main beats I remember right now are…
- They’re revenge on us for the atomic bomb
- It’s the world’s most uncomfortable sofa that folds out into the world’s most uncomfortable bed.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Because it would be worth it
If the guy only actually played 5 years. Because Jack Cust doesn’t get it done. Not in year 1, not in year 7. Because WAR, UZR, and whatever else garbage in/garbage out indicators you nerds are so enamored with are not what you’ve made them out to be.
Because winning 1 world series and missing the playoffs all together for 3 of those years would make it worth it.
But most of all: Because none of you is a GM, coach, or even god damned assistant travel secretary. I’ll bet none of you have even played above a little league level. And you were probably stuck in the outfield then. Come on, admit it. You won’t, you’d rather tell cliquish, boring jokes.
asdf
>If the guy only actually played 5 years.
not necessarily
>Because Jack Cust doesn’t get it done.
Thanks, Bill James.
>Because WAR, UZR, and whatever else garbage in/garbage out indicators you nerds are so enamored with are not what you’ve made them out to be.
Perhaps you would like to take this up with one of the other more stat-inclined posters cause I think I’ve said before that I don’t trust defensive stats much. You might know that if you weren’t a troll.
In any event I think everybody posting on this board other than the BCBers is thrilled to have Holliday and his square head batting behind Pujols. We may disagree on details of the contract (we didn’t know about the deferred money until today, thanks) but I think everybody here knows that this is a statement by the Cards FO & ownership that they are win-now mode for the forseeable future. Tell Joe Morgan that for us, could you?
>Because winning 1 world series and missing the playoffs all together for 3 of those years would make it worth it.
Thanks, Jeff Passan.
>But most of all: Because none of you is a GM, coach, or even god damned assistant travel secretary.
Got me there, Bill Hicks.
>I’ll bet none of you have even played above a little league level. And you were probably stuck in the outfield then.
Actually I played 2nd base in LL. But no, you’ve got me again there, I didn’t actually play ball above LL. I guess I’m supposed to go cry in the corner now.
>Come on, admit it. You won’t, you’d rather tell cliquish, boring jokes.
If telling cliquish, boring jokes is wrong, I don’t want to be right.
By the way
My favorite part of this whole thing is that UZR actually paints a positive picture of Holliday (and if believed makes the signing a virtual slam dunk) that most everyone seems to disagree with by watching the games.
Not afraid to nitpick
especially
his nuts…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Alright.
That’s it for me. I tried to ignore this, but you’re just being blatantly antagonistic and abusive.
You’re gone.
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 3:47 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
for you sir
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 7, 2010 3:49 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't know who to rec first...
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
i am very disappointed.
while he finally got around to the “you never played the game” line, he never even got in a single “this site was better when lboros ran it.” everybody knows that’s your go-to material.
i’d like to make up little troll bingo cards with some of the stock offerings, so that if you get, e.g., “‘play with your calculator’”, “generally dismisses stats”, “‘you never played the game’”, “anything about your mom’s basement” and “anything about tony la russa or other professional baseball managers/general managers being smarter than you,” you can just post “BINGO!” because you’ve got those five diagonally on your card.
so, we’d need at least 24 standard troll offerings and a random generator program to place each one in an appropriate spot on a generic bingo card. something where each person could log in and get a unique card.
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
by tom s. on Jan 7, 2010 5:02 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
This is an awesome idea...
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
I'll look into it
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 7, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i'm shocked they aren't green by now
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
i haven't played above little league level
which is very relevant to a financial contract
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
calculator jokes are a cornerstone of sabremetrics.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I'm about to bust out my calculator right now
band practice got canceled
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 7, 2010 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
Again.
My names Al. I don’t hide. I have a cute wife that a lot of people on this site have met and will vouch for. I’m a real person with a real, great life.
Hey, look, it’s a picture of me and my dog at Busch! I’m not hiding here.
i got nothing to cry about, but when I do it’s because Ted Nugent won’t return my calls.
Ummm....
After looking at it…..maybe you should Al?
Yea, you're getting
away from your good material again.
Thats fantastic.
You are bringing a lot to the table here. Thanks for contributing and I look forward to seeing you at VEB day 2010.
Well certainly not as much as you, no.
But who could, really? The irony is that the comment about bringing nothing to the table, brought..well…nothing to the table.
But if you said it, maybe that’s not true. If only I had a signature block, clever name, and photo….
Well keep in mind your inherent advantages
You aren’t in your parents basement.
Not afraid to nitpick
Not sure I get you VEB day point
over and over again….is your nerd pride and street cred going to be on display there for all to see or something? Are you going to show up with the Tri-Lamb national chapter?
Yes
my nerd pride and street cred will be on display.
You fucking got us; the guys who know each other from VEB and like to meet up for beers every summer. We are such a buch of fags.
What does
a pack of cigarettes have to do with anything? I’m so lost right now…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Just seeing how this devolved..
who was the guy who came in pulling similar moves at the end of the regular season? For some reason this name is ringing a bell and I don’t know why…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Say it, say it:
“I’m a nerd. And I’m damn proud of it!”
Come on Al, say it loud and say it proud. You can do it. Should it from the roof tops.
And make sure your clutching Yadi2second tightly, yet gently as you do it.
Fuck yeah I'm a nerd.
And if I want to eff yadi, what of it?
by Mister Eff on Jan 7, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Now what about a basement...
that’s not your parents, but in a place you don’t own?
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
I literally am in my parents basement
It’s colder down here and I like to sleep in the chilly.
Not afraid to nitpick
This site could use it...
Having someone point out what’s really going on beats listening to stat nerds tell each other stupid jokes that no one outside of them gets or cares to get.
Ouch
I don’t appreciate the term stat nerd, I prefer Statistically Inclined. Make sure you capitalize it.
Not afraid to nitpick
you sir are a noble servant
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 7, 2010 2:31 AM EST up reply actions
I did tell them they only get 6"
I mean come on. one lousy inch.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
he's not Jim Rome
he didn’t preface anything with What is. Up!
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
'e's not very good.
kind of boring for a guy who’s stayed up past midnight to insult strangers on the internet. he’s probably not even drunk.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
If you'll care to look back
I believe it was you that started hurling insults? Feel free to prove otherwise.
yeah, I can't take credit for Eff.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Yea, sorry
I can’t read, so I mixed the two of you up….
That's really funny
No, seriously. I almost pissed myself when I read that line. Do you write comedy professionally? You should. I’ll bet all your friends tell you should, don’t they? it’s the subtlety and obscure cultural references that only true comedians would understand. That’s it! You’re a comedian’s comedian. Don’t let anyone tell you differently.
seriously, why the mud in your butt?
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 7, 2010 2:43 AM EST up reply actions
careful, he might explain
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
you seem to have all the answers
so maybe you should? I’d love to hear it.
give it your best shot, Mister
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
did I just get told
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
does your comment
somehow imply that you’ve “served” me?
By the way, me doth think you protest the basement a little too much. No?
Now that's the first time
you’ve seriously given me a chuckle. I mean it. That was actually funny. And you didn’t even need to throw in some stupid meme that makes normal individual’s eyes roll.
I think we have a breakthrough here. Go with that!
lol
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
of course
because you’re very clever, and others of us aren’t….
You seem to know me
Or was I just failing again to pick up on that there thing you call “nuance”?
omg lol.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
befitting.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
that gets a rec from me. And then some.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 7, 2010 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
Well
Comments like “does this mean we’re stuck with LaRussa for another 10 years”. And Billy Beane? Please, if you don’t see the overwhelming devotion here to the Sabremetric religion, then you’re not paying attention.
LOLOLOL
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Since I realize that it appears RB has eliminated you.
I want to point out to anyone who is reading this who may feel similarly, I know very little about the SABR stuff. I don’t like math and statistics so I don’t really try to study these things outside of school. I love baseball and the Cardinals (and Indians but you know) and for the most part when I watch baseball and players my judgement tends to naturally agree with what SABR stuff says about players and that sort of thing. However despite not being Statistically Inclined as many people here are I get along fine here so this SABR religion mwrg is referring to kind of confuses me. The point is to make useful contributions to discussion, they don’t necessarily have to be about stats and if you disagree as long as you have evidence and start posting with sarcastic, rude tones no one should get upset that you disagree.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
we're just trying
to get you to accept wRC+ into your heart so that you don’t burn eternally in fld% hell
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
heh
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 7, 2010 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
I dunno if you noticed
But for a while there, Billy Beane’s teams were pretty awesome even though they had no money.
That said, WTF are you bringing up Billy Beane for?
I, for one, am happy to have Lego back, and though I think seven years is too long, I’m okay with the deal in the end.
P.S. Posting a comment like this makes you either a troll or, well, something else.
We're going through a new avatar test phase here at mojowo11. Please be patient as we may try a variety of new ideas over the coming days and weeks.
So I'm a troll
Or your just a judgmental “something else”. I wouldn’t expect you to see the Beane connection anyway.
you are really putting everyone in their place
as if MLB doesn’t use sabermetrics to evaluate players
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 7, 2010 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
look up, mojo
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
So, tonight I saw an old drunk man beat with a tire iron and other weapons by three men.
I can’t sleep.
Now with extra feisty!
Hubby thinks old drunk guy must've insulted the guys at a bar or something.
It seems very random.
Now with extra feisty!
So glad I'm a happy drunk
I don’t think I could live with myself if I did shit like that drunk…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
I feel really bad for the hopeless right now.
I nearly gave a guy some money this week, I can’t imagine beating a drunk up right now.
was it one of those assault the homeless because we can incidents?
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
That would be really upsetting.
I’m sorry.
by peach concrete on Jan 7, 2010 2:08 AM EST up reply actions
it frightens and confuses the cubs fans
effers.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
so back on topic
I was making Jalapeno Poppers one time and using my finger to clean out the seeds. I went to take a leek after I was done and oh my god it burned. My penis was on absolute fire and I didn’t know what to do. I tried washing it and that did nothing. I thought maybe using clearasil would help but that just made it burn more. I eventually had to stick my dick in a glass of milk. That finally seemed to help than my girl room mate walked in the bathroom. Boy was that awkward. I just told her this is how we recharge them.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 7, 2010 2:13 AM EST up reply actions
What I wouldn't give
for a picture of her face walking in to see that…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
For real.
The recharge part I read somewhere else before I actually said it. The Milk actually did work.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 7, 2010 2:22 AM EST up reply actions
I thought any base would work...
granted you may want to stay away from lye…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Well, milk is usually the handiest thing that will work.
I’m no scientist man!
Now with extra feisty!
I think it's to do with solubility, rather than neutralising the acid
capsaicin is much more soluble in lipids (fats) than in water.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 7, 2010 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
One thing that can make you laugh
if you like awkward really bad public access TV. Is to download the Huell Howser video podcast… This guy is amazed by everything he sees, and the show has the production value of a good 8th grade project. He’s been doing it for over 20 years…It’s awesome stuff.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
I got another one
I was still in high school at the time. And I needed to glue some stuff together. All I had was that big spray glue stuff. I didn’t want to make a mess. So I sprayed it in the toilet to minimize the mess. So after I was done. I stripped down cause I was going to take a shower. But the bathroom just reeked of this glue. So I am straddling the toilet facing the wall because I am lighting a candle on top of the toilet. I throw the match between my legs into the toilet. Out of no where I giant fire ball shot up between my legs. I ended up burning off a large section of my inner thigh and ball hair. No serious injuries but a close call.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 7, 2010 2:27 AM EST up reply actions
One more.
This is not my story but something someone just told me recently. The Real Shocker
Last night my wife was sitting at our desktop looking at Facebook or some such nonsense, while I was on my laptop checking out Tube8 porn. I was sporting a chubby…you know that place between raging hard-on and flaccid complacency. Anyway, I decided I would walk over to her, whip out my dick and see if she would do me a favor.
What I failed to realize at the time is that I was wearing new bedroom slippers with rubber soles. It’s cold here and the air is very dry. You see where I’m going with this, right? My wife obligingly took my cock in her mouth after a little giggle. However the buildup of static electricity discharged through my penis and shocked her lip. This caused her to involuntarily clamp her teeth down resulting in bite marks on my dick.
Don’t worry, I’m ok.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 7, 2010 2:30 AM EST up reply actions
That's just good clean family fun right there...
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
did he say "lumos" before entering?
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 7, 2010 2:33 AM EST up reply actions
HFS
Really makes me want to move to the middle of Montana away from other people…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
I've always said
if I win the lottery I’m going to buy a huge ranch out west somewhere and disappear from the world.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
i'm moving somewhere west of Fiji or just off New Zealand or Australia
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Jesus, that's awful.
Anything we can do to cheer you up?
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 2:13 AM EST up reply actions
Bring the funny, please.
I know you have more crazy stories, Aaron. Now is the time.
Now with extra feisty!
Hmm.
Alright, give me a minute to think of something really good.
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 2:16 AM EST up reply actions
now this should make for some good laughs
keep in mind these guys are german
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 7, 2010 2:17 AM EST up reply actions
What was I doing in Iowa late summer of 2001, Spants, asks?
Time to re-tell old stories!
Saturday, August 25, 2001:
While driving my buddy Nate back to his new house in Dubuque, headed North-by-Northwest from Peoria, IL to the Iowa state line in a packed to the gills Dodge family minivan, we (Nate, his brother Joe, our friedn D-Rit, and myself) flipped though the radio and learned from one Casey Kasem that the immortal Eddie Money was once Sgt. Money of the NYPD. Yup.
Things only get stranger from there.
At a truck stop, I gave Nate a “Yellow Jacket” energy pill. After a few minutes, he told me that he “felt like a hummingbird.” Wuss.
Once we got to Nate’s house, we hopped out of the van and into the street to toss the ‘ol pigskin around and yell at passer-by’s that we were “giving it the old college try!” After about five minutes of playing catch, we were all out of breath. We helped get all of Nate’s shit into his house and showered up. D-Rit, while he was in the shower, heard the Blu Cantrell song “Oops..hit ’em up style” which contains the line “Hey Ladies…” It would become a rather odd theme song for the evening.
After everyone got cleaned up we decided to go to Bodeans (no relation to the bad band) for the “Double Bouble” (two drinks for the prioce of one)…since both Nate and his brother Joe’s IDs had the same info on them (Joe was underage at the time and using a duplicate of Nate’s ID), Joe and I held back on the “Double Bubble” at Bodeans so things didnt look too suspicious at the door.
So Joe and I went down to a little shit-box of a bar called “Jyms” (no, that’s not a misspelling) and ordered a pepporoni Tombstone pizza and a pitcher of Busch Heavy. We ended up getting the pitcher of Busch, but a supreme pizza in return, or “a pepporini with everything on it” as Joe said.
At this bar (again, called Jym’s), there were dudes watching a NASCAR race, and they were very focused, too; and next to Joe sat a man with a full sized metal-neck halo, which was tucked in to his flannel shirt. Normally, I would say to each their own and revel in such an enviroment, however I was looking to have a make with a hot lil’ coed that night, not watch NASCAR and drink canned domestics.
We ate our pizza in silence and left for Bodeans. We got to the bar and things were fabulous for an hour or so. Post that first hour, though, the “Double Bubble” ended and D-Rit was broke as it gets. He ended up doing random chores for the drunk-Australian bartender in exchange for the promise of free drinks.
And, in payment, he was given eight shots at once.
A little later, when some fat kid ordered four drinks and pulled out only 3 bucks, the bartender didn’t care once Rit vouched for him. Also, Rit was caught staring at some girl named Tera’s chest and he didnt seem to care. He just kept saying to her “Hey! I’ve never met a Tera before…your my first!” (Ala Caddyshack) and got away with all of this playahatin’.
Needless to say, D-Rit was running shit at Bodeans by 9 in the evening.
We were all pretty much hammered once 9:30 pm rolled around, so it was decided we’d switch bars and go to a sweet little spot known as The Whiskey.
First, however, we stopped off at Nate’s to pop some Yellow Jackets and to sit out on his front porch while the entire group ate only one piece of Chicken, which for some reason was being passed around like a joint.
With the chicken gone, we headed down to The Whiskey. That’s where things start getting hazy: Joe gets gruff from the bartender for supposedly paying for his drinks with her tip money. D-Rit screams Caddyshack and Swingers lines while shoving a camera in peoples faces. And I think I might have fell down while playing Golden Tee, explaining a large bruise I now have on my ass.
Since we were all by this point, medically speaking, absolutely fucking hammered, we set off for:
The Coliseum, East Dubuque, IL. (Sunday, August 26, 2001)
Lets see….
As Nate and I walk into the door of this weird club known as The Coliseum, a mini-riot breaks out on the sidewalk near us and people in a school bus (which for some reason is parked outside of a club at midnight) moon us.
Okay… We’re off to a weird start already! We walk in through the door of the Coliseum and see D-Rit being led out the door in handcuffs, ala Pete Rose being caught in 1989 for tax evasion.
I figured I should take care of it, since I’m an idiot, and went outside to talk to the arresting officer.
He tells me that it’ll be a hundred dollars and I can get him, conveniently enough, at the police station right across the street from the club. “Wow” I think to myself “how very convenient! Things are coming up Milhouse!”
And with that though, I jetted off to the nearest ATM which, for safety reasons, is hidden in a dark alley, right next to some train tracks.
And right on schedule, a kid (literally 12 years old… tops) with a swiss army knife tries to mug me at the ATM.
The conversation went like this:
“Give me your fucking money man!”
I turn aroundand said “What?”.
He replied, “Give me the money!”
Me: “No.” I then punched him in the face and give him, in a style favored by my buddy Vince, a knee to the forehead.
He then ran away, and I was off to the po-leece station to get D-Rit out of the pokey. At the police station there were about five cops, all sitting around a table playing cards (Uno? Spades? I couldn’t tell.)
They seemed rather upset that I had interupted their card game, but they released D-Rit into my custody for a cool hundred regardless.
Now, D-Rit and I would begin to play the waiting game for Joe and Nate who were still in the Coliseum out by Nate’s car.
Unfortunatly the waiting game was also being played by some asshole in the parking lot who claimed to be a Liutenent in the Navy Seals. However, he knew nothing about the military and covered it all up with a horrible web of lies and by tearing out the back seat of his sisters car and punching out her taillight with his bare hands.
Awesome.
But, as a highlight of the waiting game, I did get to talk to a black guy from Peoria who claimed that he was from “the good part of the South Side…you know…by Manual.” (note- there is no nice part of the South Side of Peoria, and even if there were, it would not be by Manual.) And that “it was bullshit that they were tearing down the Riverstation (a restraunt) in order to make room for restraunts.”
Okaaaaay.
We also met an older ’gent from ’Nawlins who said he could get us some “pussy!”
We backed out of the deal, seeing as how D-Rit had already been in jail that evening and all.
Finally, at about 3 AM, Nate and Joe came out of the Coliseum, drunk as all get out.
Nate took us to get late night greasy food at a place called Beanies in Dubuque. The food was so good there that it later caused Joe to both shit and puke at the same time.
The evening finally wound down and was was capped off by us jerk-asses drinking bud lights and box wine, doing Vincent Price imitations till 5 AM.
“Give it some gas grandpa”- Jody Price
“You’re not helping an Jody!” – Vincent Price
What would have been the Line of the Night, but was never said: “LATER!” -Damon while leaving jail
Actual Line of the Night: “I thought I was hung over, but as it turns out I just needed to jerk-off.” -Al Fritz
[Well that didnt make a lick of sense .]
by Mister Eff on Jan 7, 2010 2:19 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Wow. That is an epic night.
My favorite part, you ask? The chicken that was eaten joint-style.
Now with extra feisty!
That may be my favorite weekend ever.
I was home on leave for three weeks and that was the middle weekend, I checked back in for duty that Sunday, Sep 9th.
That next Tuesday blew and I didn’t have that kind of fun again until i got out four years later.
I almost wanna ask about how his aim was.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
there's no way i'm reading all of that
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Okay, I've got one.
You’ll like it, and it’ll make you feel better about the pain of my ex, since it’s only about me and a comparable sort of unpleasantness. give me a few minutes to write it up. In the meantime, here’s something funny a friend of mine pointed me toward.
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 2:33 AM EST up reply actions
Really? Well, crap.
Okay, give me a bit.
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 2:36 AM EST up reply actions
this just makes me wonder
how weird can the internet get?
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 7, 2010 2:45 AM EST up reply actions
Two Girls and 1 Cup
What is that about
(click)
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 7, 2010 2:46 AM EST up reply actions
i have never watched that all the way through
my friends put it on my comp and then unplugged the mouse and keyboard….i just unplugged the whole thing
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 7, 2010 2:51 AM EST up reply actions
i remember my freshmen year of college
My one friend was always into weird porn. A bunch of us were in his room just hanging out. He started to show some crazy asian porn with a girl pooping. My one friend just lost and started to throw up. It was rather funny.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 7, 2010 2:53 AM EST up reply actions
never heard of that
i have heard of the bme pain olympics….which is just brutal apparently
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 7, 2010 3:02 AM EST up reply actions
You can find a review of it somewhere
Which by itself is worth a read. The description will make you gag.
Not afraid to nitpick
I had an old roommate
who would always send me links to crazy porn… bad times…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Let's just say...
after the shit he put me through… 2 girls 1 cup was manageable. I wasn’t happy about it, but didn’t run from the room puking either.
As I said bad times…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Don't you fucking dare.
Never, ever, ever mention that site around me.
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 3:11 AM EST up reply actions
Don't act like you're not impressed.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
This is a funny reply. Well played.
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 3:14 AM EST up reply actions
Eh I'm drinking...
I do my best work while drinking… That was totally PED’d Sorry can’t find a clip from Anchorman for you…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Has someone pooped on you before?
I am sorry to hear that RB. It happens to the best of us. Well not me but you.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 7, 2010 3:13 AM EST up reply actions
That's irrelevant.
What is relevant is that I used to have a friend named Isaac who sent me a link to that fucking thing when it first came out but didn’t tell me what it was.
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 3:15 AM EST up reply actions
Is the past tense
directly related to the event in question?
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
In a general sense, yes.
Not because of that specific link, but because that’s just the sort of guy he was in general.
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 3:50 AM EST up reply actions
I've seen a bum with a freshly removed eyeball walking into the CTA
and another one that was pushed down the stairs by some girls he accosted on new year’s eve a couple of years ago, my friend and I found him with blood pouring out of his head while lying on the ground being talked to by a cta worker… I’ve probably blocked out the bad stuff
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 7, 2010 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
sorry spants
bad karma tonight all around. but these guys always make me smile.
Heaven has brick walls and St. Peter is a red bird.
by EinFesteBusch on Jan 7, 2010 2:47 AM EST up reply actions
so those cubs fan came, seemed cool, posted tits, then left...
kinda weird
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
Obviously compensating...
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
no, there's still one more there
he’s the one taking a shot at the “Sabremetric religion” in (thanks, SBN…) what I think is a comment to VEP.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Nah, I'm here.
Great fun here in VEB. More lively than BCB, that’s for sure. Good times, men.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
See, she's a lady, and gets all upset when nobody acknowledges the fact.
Which is fair, considering how few real women there are on the internet. Man, if I had a dime for every time I was talking off some forty year old dude in the middle of the night…
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 2:36 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
WHY ISN'T IT GREEN????
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
I don't spend time on BCB...
but is Al as big of a jerk about defending Wrigley to the death as I hear he is?
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
I'm not really sure how to respond to that?
He’s a loyal fan of his team and runs a blog that has rules of respectability. I appreciate his hard work.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Al is a good writer and does a good job over at BCB
But sometimes he defends stuff I don’t understand like the Silvia has upside kind of thing.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 7, 2010 2:49 AM EST up reply actions
He says he does though
I think basically everyone there (and most places) has a horrible, horrible grasp on sample size and correlation != causation.
It's better now than it was a year ago man. A year ago WAR or UZR or ERA+ or anything was unheard of.
I don’t have a bad word for BCB or Al. He runs a good site and has done a lot for online Cubs fans.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
jerk is probably too strong a word, imo
doggéd, perhaps.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I have a buddy
who I’ve mentioned before has been kicked off twice for bashing Wrigley as a Cub fan… and said that there’s a large collection of people on Second City Hockey that have similar stories… so I was wondering how skewed their view of him was…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Most of that stuff is for swearing, attacking posters, etc.
I’ve been on the site for years and don’t have a problem. General civility is all that is asked for.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Sounds reasonable...
my buddy can get rather angry at people blindly defending Wrigley as the greatest place on earth that needs no improvements…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
As a third-generation-er...
Cubs fans tend to over-sensationalize just about everything. Right or wrong, we have to grasp and passionately defend our small territory, because obviously we don’t have championships to point to. Justifying the Bradley trade for Silva is a good example of (1) looking at the bright side of a shitty situation and (2) thinking that this year is the year. My $0.02.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
He routinely says
that he loves the Cubs, but wishes more people would acknowledge they’re the worst franchise in history and people would act accordingly…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Eh he's a
Cub fan… not a CUB FAN… I think we all know the difference between the two…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
mwrg is one of ours, i believe.
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
Just me n SWL from BCB.
And he just likes boobs. Can’t really fault the man.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Not for much longer, if he doesn't learn some manners.
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 2:38 AM EST up reply actions
ohhh that's right
I mixed him up with someone else.
They all look the same after a while. Trolls, I mean.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Oh com'on we haven't been trolling.
There’s been some good discussion here. About 2 hours ago, alas, but good discussion none the less.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
mm, i'm not on my game
something about the username and the posting style called up the wrong account in my mental rolodex.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Without clicking...
is that the Harden game?
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Damnit now I have to check it out...
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
it links back to VEB if it makes you feel any better
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 7, 2010 2:54 AM EST up reply actions
That just blew my mind...
But the Harden thing was some of your best work in relatively short time I’ve been active on here..
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Oooh, I did read that. Thanks for that.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
I am trying to get SB Nation to allow java script in fanposts
It would allow people to make tables with sortable dats=a.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 7, 2010 2:55 AM EST up reply actions
I have never seen anyone on VEB use them
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 7, 2010 2:56 AM EST up reply actions
I used them for BtB when I had my playoff odds posts
And it was like 30 rows long. I promise I’ll use them in my Penny post next week or the week after.
Tell them to allow de-recommendation of posts, too, and I'll be a satisfied free customer.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Not a flag.
Akin to Digg, you like a post, I don’t like a post. There’s nothing wrong with it, but I don’t think it’s a quality post. Right now the system is all or nothing, either flag for trolling or recommended for awesomeness. It’s silly.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
you should use reddit
It is like digg the day before it his the front page
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 7, 2010 3:00 AM EST up reply actions
I know, I know.
Reddit is so…unpretty. That’s very anti-tech of me, I know, but Digg’s interface is just vastly suuperior.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
it is not anti-tech just not bloated
Plus, the comments are so much better.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 7, 2010 3:03 AM EST up reply actions
i just did some weird hyperventilated cough/laugh in response to that
brilliant!
God I hope Youth in Revolt is good
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 7, 2010 2:41 AM EST up reply actions
I still have hw to do, have to brush my teeth and shower, and finish my THT article, so I have to stay up
Remind me why I start my shit at 10:30?
As much as I bitch about Columbia bars closing at 1
It really is probably for the best. I can do 6 hours sleep hangover work, 4 hours sleep hangover work is probably not practical.
Not afraid to nitpick
In Champaign
they moved the close back to 2 to cut down after hours… I think it worked pretty well since at 2 it’s off to Bamba’s then to pass out or hook up…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Initally housing and the campus police were not happy
But my theory is any time you open the bars up and make kids spend more it’s a good thing. And since you only have to be 19 to get in there you can really control a lot of the drinking problem by making kids drink in bars instead of case races and nonsense in their apartments. Why they refuse to acknowledge this and make bars 21+ on Unofficial I will never understand…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
unemployment has done the same for me...
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
I gotta beg off
i’m sure it’ll all look a lot more hypocritical in the mornin’, but the laughter ain’t worth more insomnia
hope you feel better, spants
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Okay.
Check your inbox.
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 3:08 AM EST up reply actions
As long as it cheered you up,
that’s all I care about.
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 3:19 AM EST up reply actions
Where the hell is gdm tonite?
me and him are usually holding this place down this time of nite…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Well that's unfortunate...
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
now i really feel bad
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
reminds me of the time i went to the doctor after not sleeping for 48 hours
he calmly asked me if i ever used drugs about 7 times throughout the visit
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 7, 2010 3:17 AM EST up reply actions
I'm continually amazed
at how the human body is not able to go without sleep for long periods of time… seems like we’d be able to store it up somehow. We need to work on evolving to that…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Good night, VEB. I enjoyed your company.
See you on BCB and/or VEB in the future.
Dan
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
You too.
Come back again. It’s always fun to have visitors.
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 3:22 AM EST up reply actions
oh an old girl from my past just texted me asking if i was still awake....
somehow i think responding “no” isn’t the best of actions
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
that would be so.....devious
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 7, 2010 3:40 AM EST up reply actions
Checklist of questions
1) is she hot
2) on a scale of 1-10 how crazy is she
3) do you stand to loose anything by responding…
If all those come back positive you should get you some… at least that’s where I’m assuming a text at 230 in the morning will lead…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
oh not a chance....super religious girl
we were friends in high school…she was like a sister to me…except she was in love with me….then i went to college and partook in all sorts of unsavory behavior she didnt approve of….we grew apart…she went on a retreat and decided we needed to be friends again…me not being an ass hole agreed….except i think she’s still in love with me….or something….basically don’t want to deal with some hyper emotional nonsense right now so i think im just gonna ignore it….
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 7, 2010 3:30 AM EST up reply actions
This sounds as if it will end badly.
Or awesomely. Hmph. I can’t really decide.
I say reply and deal. Then again, that’s how I get myself into so much trouble.
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 3:52 AM EST up reply actions
We do need more people with good stories
for these marathon late nite threads…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Hey, I did my part cheering up Spants.
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 3:54 AM EST up reply actions
And as long as the ladies are taken care of
that’s all we ask for… well not me cause I’m not one of those cool mods… but details
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
I've taken my nap at 4
the past few nites… so I’m still golden. I could stretch this out til 6 easy…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
avoiding and internalizing ones' problems are the keys to a successful life
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 7, 2010 3:56 AM EST up reply actions
I must say,
if the girl in question is so firmly planted in the center of Cubesville as you describe, what the hell is she doing texting you at three in the morning. I mean, I know what girls usually want when they contact you in the middle of the night, but I’m not hanging around the same sort of women you are.
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 4:01 AM EST up reply actions
Totally coming off a late nite prayer session...
not that there’s anything wrong with that…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
I know I shouldn't laugh at this,
but it’s just so, so effing funny.
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 4:04 AM EST up reply actions
Like I said before...
PED of beer… and maybe insomnia…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
i can picture it
she’s up late with friends…topics strayed until they had a heart to heart. one friend convinced her she needs to talk to me NOW. she reluctantly agrees and fires off that text.
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 7, 2010 4:04 AM EST up reply actions
Like I said, man,
answer and then deal. I know it’s late, and you probably don’t think you need this now, but taking chances in the middle of the night is what you’ll look back on one day and thank whatever powers there may be for letting you do.
Take it from someone who knows: when a chance to really live pops up, go and live it right fucking then.
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 4:07 AM EST up reply actions
What have you got to lose
but a couple hours of sleep and a case of blue balls… wait I need to write a more convincing argument…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
I disagree.
I think that’s a beautiful argument.
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 4:10 AM EST up reply actions
In all fairness
you have different standards for convincing arguments than the rest of the populous…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Really? How so?
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 4:14 AM EST up reply actions
I left a may out of there...
stupid inability to type…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Well, to be fair, I'm not disputing your claim.
I was just curious what made you think that.
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 4:16 AM EST up reply actions
I'll just say
you seem more adventurous than myself… and I assume there may be some people on here of similar make up to me…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
That may be
the nicest way anyone has ever described me. And my proclivities. Thank you.
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 4:19 AM EST up reply actions
Some may call me a wordsmith...
they would be misguided… but still…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
yeah i know im going to have to confront it...
hell if she wouldve sent that about 3 nights ago i would’ve been ready to let it all out….but now? now i’m in the mood to make jokes about making love to slabs of meat…im also deep in a poker tournament so that does deserve my attention as well.
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 7, 2010 4:10 AM EST up reply actions
Sorry,
but I will never, ever consider a poker tournament an acceptable use of time which could be devoted to absolutely anything else.
Please tell me it isn’t online poker as well.
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 4:11 AM EST up reply actions
of course it is
and i play semi regularly for side money so it is something that needs my attention
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 7, 2010 4:13 AM EST up reply actions
Sigh.
Well, alright then. Enjoy your poker.
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 4:14 AM EST up reply actions
There's a joke there, somewhere...
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 4:15 AM EST up reply actions
something about me preferring to be alone than talk to a woman
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 7, 2010 4:17 AM EST up reply actions
I was thinking more of a straight-ahead pun
on the word poker. But your way is probably better.
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 4:20 AM EST up reply actions
Did we ever establish
if the chick was hot?
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
hot? no cute in her own way? yes
glean from that what you want
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 7, 2010 4:21 AM EST up reply actions
I can picture what you're going for
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Still totally worth it.
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 4:29 AM EST up reply actions
I've personally
always been a fan cute girls over hot girls… that being said I’m not going to turn down a hot chick…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
The record should also show
I don’t have hot girls throwing themselves at me either…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
I'm a fan of anyone
I can look dead in the eye and feel truly connected to, even if for only a moment or two. There’s something really magical and truly seductive about that.
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 4:35 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
holy fucking shit you're deep
®
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
so what ever happened with her man?
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
i ducked the issue and instead choose to drown myself
in indie romcoms
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
I honestly don't understand how people can play poker...
where poker for this argument is Texas Hold ‘Em… It has to be the most boring event on the face of the earth… at least watching paint dry there’s the chance of getting a buzz… and this is from someone who enjoys watching curling and horse jumping when I stumble across it on TV…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Curling is fucking awesome.
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 7, 2010 4:15 AM EST up reply actions
I look forward to getting hammered
and watching curling in the Olympics… It’s really one of the few things I have going for me at the moment…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
once you really understand the game from an advanced theoretical perspective
its fucking fascinating. its a straight battle of intellects with an element of gambling to keep things exciting…
and yes, tv poker sucks
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 7, 2010 4:16 AM EST up reply actions
People keep telling me that
but then whenever I play I get one decent hand out of every 14 and I just can’t handle that…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
why do you think i play 10 or so games at once?
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 7, 2010 4:19 AM EST up reply actions
You and your valid points...
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
but really its the latter stages of tournaments where things get really interesting
and where hand quality stops meaning so much
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 7, 2010 4:20 AM EST up reply actions
Right, I've been reading a bunch about game theory recently
and that has awesome applications in poker and other deception/strategy games.
Why do I feel like I should be reading a bunch of econ books?
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Read "The art of strategy"
It’s not too technical and uses a lot of interesting scenarios to help the reader follow along.
Thanks
that’ll give me something to do with myself…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
exactly...i don't claim to understand the academics of game theory
but i do know i employ it every time i play….and some of the best players studied game theory at the graduate level. its certainly something that helps
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 7, 2010 4:24 AM EST up reply actions
I used to play a whole bunch of poker
was basically a part-time pro a few years ago before I decided I wanted to do other things, and got together with a girl who isn’t a big poker fan (although she doesn’t mind me playing, I find I don’t really have the time). I’m name-checked in a poker book and used to write articles for a (now defunct) site, although I imagine i’m badly out of practice as I’ve barely played in the last 2-3 years.
As a result of giving up, more or less, i’ve channelled my analytical leanings towards baseball. There’s a surprising amount of cross-over between the two, actually. It doesn’t surprise me that a lot of the statheads here are poker players (or ex-poker-players).
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 7, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
I'd fall in that category too
both the giving up playing (more or less), and channeling it into baseball
by stevesommer05 on Jan 7, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
and seriously, if a lean cut of veal texted me asking to come over and fool, around id be there
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 7, 2010 3:31 AM EST up reply actions
Veal probably sends you to jail
Stick to beef.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Jan 7, 2010 3:32 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
totally set myself up for that one
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 7, 2010 3:34 AM EST up reply actions
i thought a more obscure cut of meat would be funnier...i suck at comedy
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
by slu on Jan 7, 2010 3:43 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah let's leave that to the professionals
Not sure who that would be, but still…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Very nice
you’re alright for one of them Mizzou people…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Good to know
you made the right calls in your life. When I encounter people like the one you’re describing I am reminded of the line from If 6 Was 9 by Hendrix of “I’m the one who has to die when it’s time for me to die, so let me live my life, the way I want to.”
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
wow, this was, legendary?
first part was all good baseball talk, then it slowly went down hill till and became an out of control monster snowball that destroyed every thing in it’s wake. and it ended in yet another epic talk about relationships & love. and i didn’t even get to see a lot of what went down! there was a troll, a pissed off dude who didn’t like F Bombs. flub fans who brought the weirdness & so much more. i wish i was here for it live.
actually no, i really wish i was on a date like you all thought i was. but, such is my life
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
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