Let's Play... Guess the Contract!!!
by guayzimi on Jan 4, 2010 4:13 PM EST
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PrintIt's cold outside, the hot stove is even colder, pitchers and catchers don't report for weeks... The good news is Matt Holliday will wear the Birds on the Bat next year. The only question is, how much? The speculation has been all over the map - more so than I can remember for any other player in the recent past.
Ken Rosenthal - 7/120 (prediction)
Heyman - 6/more than 100 7/112 (offered)
Strauss - 5/80 (has been offered)
Jim Bowden - 5/99
Guaranteed years and salary. Simple as that. No need to bother with option years. Nailing option years and/or bonuses will break any ties. If you think he'll go else where, you can throw that out there.
I'll start - 6/114
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Dude!
That’s what I thought before I even read down!
I guess I co-sign on this one…
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
6/98.5
The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.
i really hope this is the case...
… ~ $16mn AAV (what Albert makes). i’ll be pissed if he gets $20mn/year.
Oh yeah, I'd be furious if he gets that
I’d be unhappy if he ends up getting 17-18 a year for more than 5 years
The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.
by thegodfather on Jan 4, 2010 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
If it's only for 4 or 5 years
I’d be ok for $20M per.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
But he will likely be...
a very good player in his age 34 and 35 season. Why wouldn’t you want him around?
4-6 more WAR in 2010!
I'd rather re-assess at that time
then to just have give him and extra year now. Five years is a LONG time.
Scott Rolen was likely to be a very good player for his entire contract too, yet he wasn’t.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
by fourstick on Jan 5, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
But he will likely be...
a very good player in his age 34 and 35 season. Why wouldn’t you want him around?
4-6 more WAR in 2010!
6 with a option year that will being the total to $102,850,000
i want to add i still only think there’s a 50/50 chance he’ll come back
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
trust me, it's best for everyone involved if i stay pessimistic
the second i believe it’s a done deal & it’s all good, that’s when the poo starts hitting the fan
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
so is that a 7yr/102.8 ?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
i guess so if the option is picked up, it's a team one btw
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
$1 Bob
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 4, 2010 7:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What's behind that door?
A full-paid Holliday in lovely St. Louis Missouri! Yes, St. Louis, the city of baseball and beer. This 6-year Holliday in St. Louis will allow you to see the great parks and attractions and sample local “cuisine”. And what better way to get around in a city with crummy public transit than… A NEW CAR!!!!!
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jan 5, 2010 10:33 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Come on down!!!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2I_nUuSsQQ
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
6Y/$104M
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
Also:
- Full No Trade Clause
- Bonuses of $50,000 per All Star appearance, Silver Slugger Award, and Gold Glove award
- $100,000 bonus for winning NL MVP.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
Also, an odd performance incentive
Contract Section 4(a)(2): “Not allowed to wear a cup in the field.”
by siddfynch on Jan 4, 2010 6:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
that's cold man, cold!
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
tough but very, very fair
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Not as cold as if I were the Cards at arbitration
I’d just have that clip playing on a loop projected on the backdrop in the hearing. Ovah and ovah and ovah and ovah.
that would be awesome
they should’ve done it during all the discussions with Boras too.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 5, 2010 5:34 AM EST up reply actions
Read more carefully
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
There’s no Hot Stove talk in the above comment, only speculation on Holliday’s contract.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
one dollar, bob.
[we do have that “not-going-over” clause, right?]
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
6/109.5
AAV = $18.25M
"I learned a long time ago if you keep checking your stats all year, you're going to end up in the toilet." - Chris Carpenter, 2009.
5/90.5
with a player option for Year 6 and a team option for year 7.
5/90.5
6/110
7/128
Similar logic?
I’m thinking 5 at 90.5 lets Holliday get his > 18M per year
The buyout option at 9.6 lets him break the 100M mark , guaranteed
Exercising his option in Yr 6 lets him keep keep the 18M avg, even though that value in real dollars is dropping by then.
If the Cards somehow think he’s worth $18M in Year 7, they have that option. And Boras can advertise a 7-yr contract.
Or something like all that.
6 / 104
option year will include buyout money so “guaranteed” contract value will be higher. Also , front loaded contract to be NPV equivalent to a 6 yr / 112 mm backloaded contract.
6/100
tomorrow afternoon, make it happen Mo
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 4, 2010 8:29 PM EST reply actions
6/102
+ a 7th year option worth $18 million that vests automatically w/ 500 PAs in year 6. That would make the contract up to 7 years/ $120 M.
6/110
with option for 7th year ($17.5M)
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Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!
if you average out the comments so far
you’re looking at roughly 6 years for 104.5 million
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 4, 2010 10:37 PM EST reply actions
that would tick me off
he is not worth that money and there are other ways to spend that money beneficially. i go back to earlier comments that having all that money in one guy and he gets hurt, boom. spread it out. get apu better elves, will work better than dumping/risking all those dollars with holliday
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
it's sounding like they aren't going to give him that much though
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 4, 2010 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
but a 5 WAR (WAG) player is more valuable than a bunch of players that add up to 5 WAR because you can then use those roster spots to accumulate more talent
The risk runs both ways, and he is a pretty dang good bet to perform well, at least the first half of the contract. The odds you can find a suitable replacement combo that gets you the same production are even worse than the odds we sign Holliday to a contract that doesn’t hampers future moves, as we have no Heyward/Strasburg in our system to make the type of impact Holliday makes, not to mention an injury to one or more of the combo of players, an equally likely situation (no?), makes the team less able to recover from catastrophe. Assuming there is sufficient room in the payroll to maintain the quality of talent we currently have on the team (the most important includes the re-signing of Mr Ridiculous himself, as elves for Albert do no good if we have no Albert for them to work for), Holliday makes the most sense.
Some people have their own bowling ball and their own bowling shoes and no friends.
by jacksonian on Jan 5, 2010 12:15 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i would be more than happy with that
and I think that’s the low end of what he might get. I think he is worth it.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 5, 2010 5:36 AM EST up reply actions
6/$106M
i would prefer 5/$90M and i’d even go as far as 5/$96M, but to me, this seems most likely.
Some people have their own bowling ball and their own bowling shoes and no friends.
I bet Holliday will be worth $10m aged 35/36
so I don’t see why 5/96 is any better than 6/106.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 5, 2010 5:36 AM EST up reply actions
My turn!
I’ll go 7 years at $16.5 million a pop. That’s 7/$115.5 million.
If so, I hope it something like this:
2010 – 18
2011 – 17
2012 – 16.5
2013 – 16.5
2014 – 16.5
2015 – 16
2016 – 15
That’d be great, m’kay…
I'll take "Ridiculously Long and Overpriced Contracts" for $200, Alex
Wait, wrong gameshow. I’ll guess 6/100 and hope for like 5/85 with some option years
Albertofstan.
F* Yeah!
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Jan 5, 2010 3:07 PM EST reply actions
5 yr, 91 million
We’ll pay more for fewer years.
"But as the leadoff guy that inning, my job is to get on base and let guys drive me in." - Albert Pujols 8/20/09, base-clogger.
It appears that...
Ken Rosenthal has NAILED IT! Way to go Ken. You are mostly an annoying pencil-neck, but I have to give you props here. You’ve got mad contacts in MLB front office-dom.
This is preliminary based on this:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/baseball/mlb/01/05/heyman.holliday/index.html
We’ll see how it shakes out exactly.
4-6 more WAR in 2010!
nexdef'd
I know Rosenthal originally called it, but Chuck called it above too, with the proviso that the 7th year is a vesting option. Let’s see if he was right. If so, well done, Chuck.
So did we each pitch in an internet dollar?
If so, looks like we just bought Chuck an internet pitcher of his favorite barley pop!
Let’s see if it affects his typing.
chuck nailed it
many were close, including yours truly, but man chuck was all over this.
i hate that he was right though. that’s way to much money. way, waaaaaaay too much
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
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