What's left to be done, without using the H-word
by DanUpBaby on Jan 4, 2010 6:00 AM EST
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PrintThings in Holliday-land are moving so slow that it's a Big Deal for the negotiations to finally be characterized as Holliday-Cardinals instead of Holliday-Cardinals-Mysterious-Third-Party. At this point, I guess, without any artificial Baltimore-related impediments in place, we can see exactly how Mozeliak and DeWitt value Matt Holliday—and how, implicitly, they value Albert Pujols.
Unless you're an even bigger fan of Jack Cust than I am, this is good news. (In a less boring environment it's hardly news at all, but I won't look it in the mouth if you don't.)
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So with left field in a Holliday-induced coma—in the comments yesterday our very own chuckb mentioned Johnny Damon, who I still think would be interesting in a DeRosa-shaped contract—we're left to run with an unpleasantly lukewarm approximation of the Hot Stove. Cheap options that don't fill the biggest hole on the team—from this Hot Stove moment forward excitement must be measured against a low replacement level.
Pitching
Beginning 2010 with Jaime Garcia in place as the fifth starter doesn't frighten me all that much; what's worse is the prospect of beginning 2010 with Jaime Garcia in place as the last line of defense between the Cardinals and the P.J. Walters Set, the low-impact players who have either not yet mastered AAA or have done it with a strikeout rate so low as to make major league sluggers into Two True Outcome players. The Cardinals' bulk depth is actually pretty good, qualitatively, as these things go; Walters continues to get strikeouts in the Pacific Coast League, and though his ERA doesn't show it 2009 was a significant improvement. Rule 5-er Ben Jukich is moderately interesting, and Lance Lynn is no more than a year away.
But as nice as it might be that the replacements are potentially above replacement level, the Cardinals are inordinately close to them; Carpenter, Penny, and Garcia are all at short removes from serious injuries, and Garcia pitched 38 innings last year. Between now and April, should the Cardinals have some leftover pennies to spend, it would be nice to see the Cardinals fill the gap between Garcia and the Emergency Simontacchi Button with one more player.
(My starting pitcher flavor of the week: returning ex-Rangers prospect Colby Lewis, who spent 2008 and 2009 as the Sheets-ian ace of the Hiroshima Carp and has recently been linked to the majors. Lewis was a well-regarded prospect in Texas's system at the start of the last decade; his numbers in the minors are reminiscent of, but not as good as, Anthony Reyes's, combining lots of strikeouts with low walks.
His experience in the majors was, to put it charitably, even worse than Reyes's; after one last shot in the Brad Thompson role for Oakland in 2007, he was shipped off to the Central League and excelled immediately. In his 354 Japanese innings he struck out 369 (leading the Central League both years) and walked just 46, a K:BB of more than eight.
At 31 he's no longer a prospect, so he's a tough player to value; what are 354 great innings worth when they occur at a level that's some difficult-to-gauge level below the majors? [AL bloggers: this is where your National League joke goes.])
But so far the major Japanese deal in this slow cross-country year comes courtesy of the Mets, who gave Yakult Swallow reliever Ryota "Rocket Boy" (an excellently Japanese nickname) Igarashi a two year, $3 million deal. I'm not sure about the pitcher himself—the numbers and the footage suggest a poor man's Chris Perez—but the deal itself seems like something the Cardinals should think over. We've gotten pulled forcibly into worrying about the state of the team's budget from now until 2017, but that shouldn't blind us of the team's continued flexibility for small, short-term dealing in areas like the bullpen, where the Cardinals remain weak.
Hitting
Who's left to replace? The Cardinals have set a baseline of pretty-good most everywhere but in left. The weakest links are Brendan Ryan, whose defense would excuse any regression short of a fall all the way back to his execrable stint in 2008, and David Freese, who's also the cheapest link.
Short of Adrian Beltre falling into John Mozeliak's lap—a development I wouldn't mind at all, given his all-world defense and severe home-away splits in unfriendly Safeco Field—there are few options left on the market that would beat Freese's combination of utility and affordability. Felipe Lopez, popular on the comments of late, is another option that would likely improve the team for 2010, but he and any other Mark DeRosa substitutes still available would leave the team with two utility infielders who should under no circumstances play shortstop.
Outside of left field, and with the usual caveats for starting pitchers' health and relievers' year-to-year reliability, this is a well-rounded team. There's some breathing room left for Mozeliak to maneuver in the rotation and the bullpen, and Adrian Beltre would be an unquestionable upgrade at third, but aside from that it's a tough core to squeeze any more wins out of; even a potential Beltre deal demonstrates the way in which the Cardinals will be pushing up against diminishing returns from this point forward.
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Yes, SMOLTZ.
Pitching, pitching, pitching. And more pitching. Along with Beltre (possible, though not probable). And, of course, pitching.
Honi soit qui mal y pense.
personally,
I would be more inclined to get some pitching. But I take your point.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 4, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
Can this be the new "first" meme?
Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.
BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
SHEETS
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 4, 2010 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
How about Brett Myers?
Haven’t heard his name linked to anyone. If they got him for a one year plus incentives deal he could provide some insurance for both the rotation, and better yet, the bullpen.
by vinniefromjersey on Jan 4, 2010 7:01 AM EST reply actions
Insurance...
is, to me, not worth bringing that douche on board.
by mynameistyler on Jan 4, 2010 9:02 AM EST up reply actions
How could you possibly call
him a douche???
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Then again
that was a really stupid ass question that he had to answer, you have to admit. You ask him a question, he answered it, there’s no fucking need to make him elaborate on it or call him a liar. Where do you get off? Then you ask him to spell “retard”? The reporter was trying to get him to blow up all over the place by needling him incessantly with questions that he isn’t going to write about anyway.
Myers doesn’t really have any excuse, he should have handled it better, obviously. But there’s really no need for reporters to be dick posturing with players in the locker room either.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
Then...
you remember that he punched his wife in the face and you think, “Ohhh yeeeeaaahhhh, that guy really is an ass.”
by mynameistyler on Jan 4, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
I agree the reporter was baiting him
but the whole situation could have been handled by a “Dude… Really???” and moved on from there…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Did the reporter lose his press credential?
Because that should have happened, but I bet it didn’t.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
I don't know
I just like that clip…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Myers on a cheap one year deal would be outstanding
douchebaggyness aside, if the Cardinals could get Brett Meyers on a 1 year- 2MM deal or something similar he could provide great value.
(and keep Tony from pressing that Emergency Simontacchi Button!)
Bill James projects Brett Myers to throw 171.1 innings w/ 4.37era and a 2.5:1 k:bb ratio
Even at 3MM a year, if there was an injury to our starting rotation, Myers could net an additional 1 or 2 wins over the PJ Walters of the world.
If the starters all all healthy and productive (fingers crossed) then you have a guy who saved 21 games for the Phillies in 2007.
i'm not sure myers would sign for quite such a low amount
although I might be wrong. He has power stuff, he’s a “name”, and he’s had a few decent years. Not quite sure how James gets the 171 inning projection, however, as Myers has missed a ton of time in the last couple of years.
I like Myers in the pen, and I like the idea of spending the last 4-5m or whatever we’ve got on a “swingman” type who can be a 5th starter or a late-inning reliever, but I just think Smoltz is better, and I like him a lot more from a personal point of view.
I also really like Jose Contreras too – he’s been surprisingly effective the last couple of years, and his K rate would look good in the pen too, if we suddenly had 5 fit, effective starters.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 4, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
Emergency Simontacchi Button
Brilliant!
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
I Would Still....
…rather see Garcia start the year in AAA to get some seasoning – as pointed out, he only pitched 38 innings last year. 10-12 starts in the minors cud get him into a rhythm, establish his health, and get him some mooch-needed work. If we sign Smoltzy he cud be our 5th starter immediately, and by the time Garcia is ready to come up he can replaced whoever isn’t doing very well in the rotation (Lohse, Smotlz) and bump them into the ’pen.
Also, I wouldn’t mind 1 moore bullpen arm, a la Kalero, Springer, etc.
:=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
If We Bring Back Calero...
can I pretend that Dan Haren retired from Major League Baseball after being traded from the Cardinals out of heartbreak and that he’s not presently one of the best pitcher in baseball? And can I also pretend that Daric Barton never successfully made it out of the minors to this point? …Well, maybe the second part doesn’t require so much pretending, but you see where I’m going with this.
by mynameistyler on Jan 4, 2010 9:05 AM EST up reply actions
Can't Do Much....
…about Dan H….., errr, He Who Must Not be Named, but Barton hasn’t done much to get bothered over – and really, we had no place for him with Pujols. Personally, I would find it interesting if Agent Mulder really does sign with someone and has a bit of gas left in his tank. We cud fill an entire team with Cardinals cast-asides, like Miles, Thurston, Ankiel, Perez, Edmonds, Reyes, etc.
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
Barton's still really young
and has first crack at Oakland’s 1B job this year, in a season in which they don’t expect to contend. I’m thinking he might actually do a good job for them.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 4, 2010 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
Barton is still young. . .
the comps for guys who are able to hold their own (or better) in the majors at the precocious young age that Barton has are pretty good, which is another way to say that major league success (even moderate success) at a young age is an indicator of future success.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 4, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
Barton
This is why prospect victory laps early in their development (in terms of age) is so silly. Barton still may develop into an everyday MLB DH or first baseman. However, Danny Haren has already evolved into an annual Cy Young contender. Mark Mulder, however, has devolved into annual 1-year, make-good deal candidate. Hindsight is, of course, 20/20.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Beltre
Hate to burst the Beltre bubble, as it seems to be floating around here a lot lately, but Busch III is nearly as hard on right handed hitters Safeco is, if not more so. We just happen to play in a weaker league and have the best right handed hitter in the game on our team. According to the ESPN Park Factors, for the last three years Busch has played as tough or tougher than Safeco for all hitters.
If we’re signing Beltre, it certainly better not be because we expect him to light it up as soon as he leaves Safeco.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
i just don't think
he’s worth the 1 WAR upgrade over freese that we can reasonably expect out of him
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
interesting
thanks for pointing that out.
Personally, I still view him as the “best” plan B, if of course, the price is not egregious. This should allow an SP/RP pickup.
My alternate routes, should Holliday Travel Become Treacherous:
1. Beltre + Smoltz
2. Bedard + Smoltz (bullpen) +Giles
3. Damon + Smoltz
I personally, think we do need to sign John Smoltz, simply for his unmatched veteran-ness and versatility. His ability to make 10-15+ starts and then slide to the Bullpen if, when Franklin sucks way too much would put a) less pressure on Garcia, b) a reasonable/perhaps better ‘backup plan’ for closer. To be honest, it seems reasonable to me that he wants to be in St. Louis since he did get to the playoffs and like the main post alludes, there is a very decent core in place where he can simply step in and contribute.
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Jan 4, 2010 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
simply for his unmatched veteran-ness
so basically we need old guys?
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
old guys named smoltz
In general players over about age 38 are unlikely to contribute substantially, absent PEDs or Hall of Fame talent.
Smoltz is in the second category, showing a slow decline from Olympian skills, combined with considerable baseball and non-baseball smarts.
threw that in there to stir the pot a bit...
/couldn’t resist
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Jan 4, 2010 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
Isn't it?
“Unmatched veteran proveness?”
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
cosistency to you
sir
Some people have their own bowling ball and their own bowling shoes and no friends.
If you want to spell "cosistent" cosistently,
you have to concetrate.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
this seems to be a bit of an urban myth
pretty sure Joe has never spelt it “cosistency”. It was always “concentrate” and “concentration” he’d typo on.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 5, 2010 5:38 AM EST up reply actions
Of That Group....
..I think I’d prefer Bedard + Smoltz + Craig/Mather in LF. Brian Giles is beyond done. But if we can’t ramp up our hitting, then we should definitely get whatever we can to bolster our pitching. Bedard has risks, but if effective we’d push Lohse to the 5th spot (not bad) and keep Smoltzy in the ‘pen. We cud always trade for someone to play left later as the season progresses if the Craig/Mather/whoever system doesn’t work out.
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
with the cash we havge
I’m pretty sure we could get Bedard + Smoltz + someone to play LF (Damon?). Bedard’s hurt and I doubt a) he contributes much in 2010 and b) he costs much more than $5m.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 4, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, I have no interest in him personally
just pointing out that Bedard (~$4m, maybe?) Smoltz (~$5m, maybe?) and Giles (~$2m, if that) doesn’t exhaust our $20m+ war-chest.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 4, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think
there’s much of a chance of seeing 10-15 starts out of Smoltz this year, anywhere. I know. I have trouble getting all those K’s out of my mind, too . . . but once my pulse slows back down, I don’t think he’ll be a good investment.
It could just be my personal preference for watching the kids get their shot, though. Hm . . . though now that I think about it, failing-HOF’er-defies-age is an equally compelling story. I certainly am conflicted . . .
by 643 on Jan 4, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
i know what you mean
I think Sheets and probably even Jose Contreras are higher ceiling options, but the heart says SMOLTZ.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 4, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
I was unaware Busch III was that bad for right handed power
I knew it wasn’t great for non-Pujolsian players, but that’s pretty interesting. I think if we sign Beltre, we better have Holliday’s bat on the team… and I don’t know if I see us spending the money on both right now.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
You're forgetting...
…that the Cardinals will have the greatest hitting coach of all time. (pardon me whilst I remove the tongue from my cheek). Where is that hitting coach, anyway?
Honi soit qui mal y pense.
teaching Boog how to hit dingers
I’m shocked we don’t have any one-act plays of that yet. That’s all-in-one comedy and drama.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
nonsense
DanUp still works here.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
the one act plays
will be pried from my cold, dead hands
by DanUpBaby on Jan 4, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions 11 recs
Thank god for that
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I've never gotten why people bring up offense when talking Beltre
He’s a .700 slugger away from home. It’s not inspiring.
A .700 slugger in any park would be fantastic, lol
I think you meant .700 OPS though, didn’t you?
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
Agreed on Beltre
If you sign him, it’s for his glove and the hope the his bat can stay above league average. In this way, I’d almost rather see what Freese can do because he’ll cost 1/20th the price of Beltre.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
this sounds to me
like a bit of a deadline has been set….no?
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Jan 4, 2010 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
sounds to me like mo
is out borasing scott boras. mo has his own “mystery alternative” and using tlr to spread it. there aren’t many “really smart” plan Bs out there
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Indeed
I like that thought process. If Mo is doing that, well, then I have even more respect for him. I really don’t see a “smart plan B” out there either. Unless it’s something crazy like Damon, Beltre, Sheets and Smoltz.
Oh God....
…does this ‘smart moove’ mean we’re gonna have to put up with a troll like Jack Cust dinosaur-stomping around with his huge, slow hooves in Left Field, mooving with all the grace and speed of a bloated, over-fed hippopotamus?
:=8/
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
i doubt it
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
It's been hinted at enough that I wouldn't be surprised.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Surprised?
Mayhaps not. Pained? Certainly.
by mynameistyler on Jan 4, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
If this happens, I might have to opt for seppuku
I hate Miguel Tejada almost as much as MooCow hates Jason Marquis.
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I hope so!
I <3 Cust.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 4, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
Moore like a
“bloated, over-fed”……cow.
There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 4, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure he means "there's a plan B".
I think he means “we’re about to sign Holliday”.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 4, 2010 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
going by what goold said
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Mo knows
Another basic aspect of negotiation is that you have to communicate a deadline or a firm ceiling in order to finish things. Otherwise, the other side will keep asking, Can you do better? Is there any more?
Mo seems to have waited patiently for Ouroboros to swallow his tail, and for all of the “mystery teams” to be exposed as vapor. Now, through Tony, the word is, “Time’s up, and you have the best offer(s) we will make.”
Stay strong, Mo.
have a pizza, Mo.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
There is a "really smart" plan B if your condom breaks
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 4, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
Now
I can’t stop laughing and watching all the keyboard cat videos…
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
dammit
I was totally gonna try to Ninja this in as a meme here today, no joke.
….f’ing gingers…
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
Keyboard cat is the best
He rises above memes
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
my favorite
is probably the ghetto newscaster one
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
TLR's Smart Plan B??
Mike Gallego?
Big Mac comes out of retirement?
Adam Dunn? (be still my heart)
Is there some unknown Japanese slugger out there?
Pujols moves to LF or 3B and trade someone for Adrian Gonzalez?
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 4, 2010 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
Better yet:
#5, being the greatest ball player of this generation – could he play both LF and 3B AT THE SAME TIME? That would free up TLR to put 2 pitchers on the field, thus making the match-up scenarios mind bafflingly complicated.
Honi soit qui mal y pense.
what was that 'prediction' during the season...
one day Yadi will turn around after fielding a pop-up and find Boog and Albert behind him?
i gotta find that comment.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
plan B
I almost hope that holliday doesn’t sign, just so we can see how clever this plan B is….
there is no plan b
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
A land war in Asia???
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Going against a Sicilian when death is on the line
Albertofstan.
F* Yeah!
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Jan 4, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
Flag'd
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
by STLRegalia on Jan 4, 2010 8:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
d'oh!
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 4, 2010 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
That tweet
has the mush-mouthed twist of a prohibition-era gangster flick.
Myeah, shee? We’re about to get smart, shee? Just try and stop us, flatfoot!
by 643 on Jan 4, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not thrilled with Senor G starting the season as fifth starter
nearly as much as I am with him FINISHING the season that way. He looks to me as though he has the necessary stuff, but remember, he’s only a year and a half removed from Tommy John surgery. I’d like to see them work to limit his innings until the midway point of the season, ideally by spotting him for occasional starts and long relief stints while the fifth starter role goes to someone fungible. He’ll then have some pitches left in his arm for August and September … not to mention October.
Smoltz seems like the ideal counterpart to this scenario
as he would then slide to the pen for September, and hopefully October.
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Jan 4, 2010 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
would probably be
part of tlr’s view of a smart plan b
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
5th Starters
rarely pitch every 5th day. Most fifth starters average around 140-150 innings over the course of a season, so if he’s just the fifth starter then I think he’ll get extended rest on occasion. If you combine the starts of Thompson, Boggs, Smoltz, and Walters from 2009, you get 25 starts, which would probably be about the right amount for a fifth starter. 25 Starts at 6 innings per start = 150 innings over the course of the season.
I certainly think that pairing up Garcia with a bullpen swingman like Chad Gaudin, Brett Myers, or John Smoltz would be a really good idea, provided they come cheaply (i.e. < $4M). The problem with Smoltz is that he’ll want to start, and I think that Garcia should be getting as many starts as possible in the fifth slot so that the club can see what they have with him The pitching FA list for next offseason is shaping up to be awfully good, so I’d like to have some idea of how good Garcia actually is going into next year. If he’s a #3/#4 type starter, then we may not need to go shopping for one next year.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
did you include starts by wellemeyer in your calculations? just curious...
I do agree with you though that adding a solid swingman is a must if you intend to use Garcia. I think if the Cards can find a way to get Holliday, Smoltz, and Lopez (just a hope he can be gotten really cheap… how he’s still on the market I’m not sure) I’d be extremely happy with this offseason.
No
I didn’t, mainly because Welley was a 4th starter for much of the season last year due to injuries to both Carpenter and Lohse. Combined they missed about 19 starts or so, and Welley only had 21 total starts.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
I don't think Smoltz AND Lopez is possible
i’d be surprised (and delighted) if we can afford one of them. I really want Smoltz.
If we just want a below-average innings eater to take a bit of pressure off garcia, I bet Livan Hernandez signs for ~$1-2m, and he’s probably better than Walters or Hawksworth (assuming Boggs finds a home in the pen)
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 5, 2010 5:41 AM EST up reply actions
JAIME GARCIA
Stay healthy.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I still can't wrap my head around TLR on Twitter
I mean, something is wrong with the universe. Really.
i'm just hoping he makes a high tech mistake
and we get 24 hours of TLR’s possible lineups.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Twitter would crash
due to the 7,627 posts from one login.
one every five minutes can't be that bad...
How about 48 hours?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
No fax for old TLR
He steps out onto his porch, starts a fire, and uses smoke signals.
There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 4, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
I think it's really ironic too, considering his previous lawsuit against them
It’s like he finally said, “wait, so twitter DOESN’T generate the content? People can sign up and make their own content? Shit, sign me up!”
by Ray Lankford on Jan 4, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
no, i'm not sure that was the lawsuit
social media sites are potentially liable for failing to enforce their own TOS. so if, say, someone were to claim to be Jesus Christ and conduct business as though they were… might have some problems there… it’s a legal gray area at the moment, and I think California (where most of the providers are) has the most thorough laws.
that said, things were good enough that the founder of Twitter got to throw out a first pitch at Busch.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I see you've listed Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior as a reference
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Just don't go Ayatollah Khomeini on Y2S
and declare a fatwa.
There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 4, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
just trying to mix in a step brother's paraphrase
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
in these economic times? you really think that would work?
okay, am stopping that right there. haha.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
They should totally set up shop on Sealand...
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Not sure when they started it
but Twitter now has a “verified” check mark next to certain celebrities twitter names. I wonder if TLR’s lawsuit caused that?
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
next up: Twitter introduces baseball lineups.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Does anyone else think we need a backup CFer?
Preferably one that can hit lefties. As of right now we also don’t even have a left handed bat on the team. Something I could see LaRussa have a problem with.
yes
I’m not sure where it’s coming from though. Holliday is definitely the best single addition we can make to the team, but his acquisition does mean that certain gaps are probably going to remain unfilled. I guess we just need to hope Colby learns to hit lefties. If the worst came to the worst, Ludwick’s probably better in CF than the worst CFers in the league, and as long as we had capable gloves in left & right, I wouldn’t be aversed to him used there once every ten days or so.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 4, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
what's with all the supposition that Mather is going to be a viable major leaguer again?
the guy’s 2 years and 3 wrist surgeries from his only 2 month spell as a vaguely productive corner OFer. He’s a long shot to be worth anything at that level again, IMO.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 4, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
don't be a dream killer Monk
please don’t kill our dreams of a healthy Bombs taking MLB by storm
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
I know i know
I really like Bombs too, but I just think we need to be a bit more realistic and give him CHANCE. At least that way, there’s no weight of expectation and it’ll be a pleasant bonus if he figures things out.
I still think there’s maybe a 5-10% chance he turns into ryan ludwick in a year or two.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 5, 2010 5:42 AM EST up reply actions
Common sense would dictate
that we don’t sign a backup CF until we know who our left fielder(s) is/are.
Well-reasoned, sdrone.
And undoubtedly correct.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Really?
No left-handed bats? Rasmus: What am I, a potted plant? Skippy: If it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck, it’s probably a duck.
There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 4, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
I am pretty sure Flim meant a lefty bat on the bench
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
I don't think we need a "backup" CF
Ludwick can play CF reasonably well for short stretches or spot starts. If Rasmus goes down for a long period of time then it’s going to be Shane Robinson or John Jay coming up to take his spot anyway. Allen Craig should be the 4th OF, spot starter, as he can play all four corner spots on the diamond if someone needs a day off.
As far as lefty bench bats, there are still plenty on the market as we speak (Church, Gross, Hinske, Cust, Branyan), and we have Dan Descalso, John Jay, and Daryl Jones at AAA, who should all get opportunities to make the club this year with an outstanding spring. Once Holliday is in the fold, or not, then the rest of the roster decisions can get made.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
you sure jones
will be at AAA to start the year? he finished with te s-cards didn’t he?
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
If Jones isn't at AAA I will be surprised
He finished at AA sure, but he was also fighting an injury and if I recall correctly went to Arizona this fall. I think with a decent spring he will be in AAA and like always there is a chance that a strong spring could give him a ML bench slot, though I doubt that.
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
from what i remember
nobody lit the world on fire in teh AFL. except henley, but i forgot about it about halfway through
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
very true
But I don’t remember anyone setting the AFL on fire at all, maybe I just didn’t hear about it but I think the AFL was pretty lack luster this year. I know from the bit I followed that DJ had a great time on the base paths once he got on, but getting on was his problem.
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
I doubt they would stick him on the ML bench
unless we don’t sign Holliday and whoever we put there needs a platoon partner. DJ is a guy that is still learning to play the game and get the most out of his outstanding tools. Limiting him to 300 ABs during the season would be a disaster.
by Hardcore Legend on Jan 4, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
True
much like Colby in 08 I really doubt it, but I said it was always a chance, not that it would/should happen
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
great post, Dan
I am wondering if the Cardinals could handle two Colbys on one team.
No, actually, I am wondering about bench depth. Ever since someone … either here at VEB or an announcer (!) saying something smart (!!) … mentioned at the All-Star Game that the AL’s plan was to have crummy voting for the starters, so they could pack their bench with good players, and thus win the ASG again. (…nah, it was probably a VEBer.)
As long as they’re playing Baseball the La Russa Way, we’re gonna need bench players. So… is So back yet?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I'm interested in looking ahead
assuming we sign Holliday, what’s next? If we have only enough money for one more player, do we go with a fifth starter (ala Smoltz) or someone to play some third and provide a bench bat (ala Lopez)? Or, could we afford to do both?
I'm not comfortable looking ahead, at this point.
the good bench players are being signed while we wait.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I don't see a lot of bench players flying off the shelves, so to speak.
Generally, bench players are signed later in the offseason than even Boras clients. And, if we look historically (courtesy of Fungoes), there are upticks in activity with FA signins during the Winter Meetings, a holiday lull, followed by increased activity in January. The Cards should probably me aware of this likely forthcoming January FA activity in their Holliday talks, but it looks as if Holliday will simply be a statistic in the January uptick.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
hey, that's awesome.
it’s burning, too!
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
You say burning...
I say flaming…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
true.
that graph probably isn’t even in the outfield.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
So, winter meetings, some not so last minute christmas shopping..
everyone goes on winter break..then everyone gets back and starts tackling their to-do lists after break.
cool graph
did you do it yourself?
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
I curse the MooCow.
I’m now reading content on other pages in his peculiar format:
E.g. BtB discusses Kiko Calero and calls him “consistent”. I read it as “cowsistant” and do a double take while checking the author of the post.
[shakes fist]
you could blame Kiko Calero.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Speaking of:
Why hasn’t Mo had a press conference re-introducing Calero as a member of the Cards?
Calero, Smoltz, and someone like Gaudin should be targeted even if we sign Holliday. Or are we comfortable with Motte and Franklin as our top right-handed relievers?
by arch support on Jan 4, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
Don't you mean,
“Kiko Cowlero”?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Anyone else get the feeling that Mo and the Cards are toying with Boras
they know they own him in this deal, so Mo is just screwing with him to pay him back for the loshe contract
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Bernie on Mo
On his blog, Bernie posts this interesting morsel:
3. All is quiet this morning on the Matt Holliday front: At the time I write this (around 10 a.m.) Cardinals GM John Mozeliak appears to have gone underground. He’s not responding to text messages. I take that as a positive sign, because when the Cardinals are on the brink of making a move, Mozeliak almost always goes into a media blackout mode, retreating to the background to finish what he started. Over the weekend Tony La Russa hinted (in a tweet) that the Cardinals were getting close to getting something done. But as Derrick Goold reports in a follow-up, it doesn’t necessarily mean it’s Holliday. Talking to multiple Cardinals’ folks late last week, it was my strong sense that the organization wanted to have something finalized with Holliday early this week. And that the Cardinals were prepared to move on if Holliday’s agent, Scott Boras, continued to delay and stall. Until I hear or learn otherwise, I’d be surprised if Holliday doesn’t agree to terms with the Cardinals. (If he hasn’t already.) And I believe it will be a seven-year or eight-year deal averaging at least $17 million per season. But I emphasize that this is just informed speculation on my part; it’s pretty hush-hush at the moment. But it is interesting to note that La Russa (in speaking to Goold) dropped in a reference to the Cardinals having a "smart Plan B." Hmmm… are the Cardinals about to call the Boras bluff?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
tweet from someone who shouldn't know anything about it...
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Jan 4, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
even if that's a 5 year deal
i will take <100M
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
5 or 6?
Number crunch: Five years at $98.5m is $19.7m per. Boras did not seem to like 5-year frame. Six years at $98.5m is $16.4 or less than Bay.
If Boras really doesn’t like a 5 ear 98.5 M deal, Matty H really needs to tell him to stuff it.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Matty H
may not like a 5 year contract, ever think about that? He’s looking to be somewhere long term with a no trade clause and has said as much, repeatedly, since turning down the Rockies extension in 2008.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
NTC might be the key
years/dollars don’t seem to be out of whack since the first 8-year rumor
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I actually think that is the hold-up
I really should have added to my opinion that Holliday can stuff it in my opinion, if he is not happy with that kind of contract. I want Holliday back, but not taking an almost 20M/yr contract is enough to start trying my patience with this whole thing.
And since when has a 5-yr contract not been a fucking long-term contract?
Of course when it all comes down to it, I won’t be surprised if Bowden is full of shit. I’ve listed to his show plenty of times, and while he sometimes makes a lot of sense, sometimes he just tries to push the " I am a former GM and therefore all-knowing" a bit too far in my book.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
hmmm...interesting
he used to be a GM for the Nats? now he has a radio show in LA…not sure how he would have suce an in though
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
James Gordon Bowden IV (born 18 May 1961 in Boston, Massachusetts [1]) is a former Major League Baseball executive and current host on XM Radio's MLB Home Plate channel 175.
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
rotoworld has picked up the tweet.
of course they picked up the baltimore for $140m rumor too.
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
the problem with this tweet
is that jim bowden would, if given the chance, immediately trade matt holliday straight up for three toolsy teenaged outfield prospects
exacamundo, you can't trust bowen at all
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
I like Holliday
But I am intrigued by a smart plan B. My wish? Damon + Smoltz + Beltre. I have no idea if that’s feasible, but it spreads our risk out, and doesn’t tie us down to long contracts. Plus, we get an OBP guy, a starter / reliever and a possibly the best infield defense in the NL.
by Ray Lankford on Jan 4, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
I've been out of the loop lately
but is Miguel Tejada a) not wanting to play 3B b) not available c) not better than Adrian Beltre and David Freese?
by Hardcore Legend on Jan 4, 2010 12:18 PM EST reply actions
c.
definitely c.
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Jan 4, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
C
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Can someone explain
According to Bill James projections, he is better than both. (well, Freese doesn’t have a projection)
by Hardcore Legend on Jan 4, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
well, over the last 3 years, both have had similar value at the plate
Beltre plays in a park that kill RH power…Tejada in a park that I could hit a homerun in
And Beltre is a better defender, not having to change positions
Beltre will be more expensive, though
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
i would expect
them to go for similar AAVs. just more years for beltre probably
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
I get some of that
I think we are devaluing Tejada’s offense a tad. Yes, he did play in a homer friendly park but his splits as far as XBHs to center and RF are fairly similar. I’d give up the homeruns from Tejada if he’d continue to have his higher level of contact and ability to hit doubles. His slugging takes a drop to the various fields, but not any more than Beltre’s does.
I’d take that over David Freese for a reasonable price. Tejada batting second, seeing a lot of strikes with Pujols following on a one year or two year deal would be fine with me.
I’m not saying he should be the first option but I also don’t think he should be ruled out. He’d also give us a bit of flexibility should Ryan get injured at SS.
by Hardcore Legend on Jan 4, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i'm down with either belter or tejada on a reasonable 1-2 year deal
not convinced freese is mature enough to handle all of this
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Tejada's skills don't age well.
He hits for power and swings a lot. Tejada’s BB% over the last five years: 5.8%, 6.6%, 7.4%, 3.7%, and 2.9%. I fear that hollow OBP may bottom out if he stops hitting safely. I don’t know about him defensively at third, either, or if he is willing to let us know about him defensively at third. All things being equal, I’d much, much, much rather sign Felipe Lopez (and I can’t believe I just typed that).
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 4, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
Man Tejada's OBP away from Minute Maid
is .313. I don’t want that .
I’m happy with trying Freese and keeping Craig handy.
Beltre's OBP at Safeco was .283
only .324 on the road.
by Hardcore Legend on Jan 4, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
floppy!
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Tejada's career slash line is .344 /.455 on the road
not sure what your post meant. They both aren’t aging well.
by Hardcore Legend on Jan 4, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
Age doesn't have much bearing on a one year
or two year contract. Tejada is currently the better offensive player and his drop-off has been less severe than that of Beltre’s. In fact, Tejada actually got better offensively last year than the year before.
Beltre’s defense is better, might even be 20 runs better. But last year Tejada was 18 runs better offensively. Tejada’s defense was better in years past and a move to third would decrease the amount of range he would need (and doesn’t have). He will never be the same caliber defensive player that Beltre is but if we are considering Beltre (who will cost more) we should consider Tejada as well.
by Hardcore Legend on Jan 4, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
A 3 year weighted average of wOBA has Beltre at .326 and Tejeda at .334
That doesn’t consider the fact that Beltre has played in a MUCH more pitcher friendly park to RHH than Tejeda AND in the tougher league. It doesn’t consider aging curves either.
CHONE has Beltre at .270/.320/.446 compared to Tejeda’s .297/.333/.434. So Tejeda is a tiny bit better than Beltre going forward offensively.
That is absolutely dwarfed by the difference in fielding. Beltre has a career 13.9 UZR/150 at third, while Tejeda has a career -4.7 UZR/150 at short. If you give Tejeda +5 runs for moving to third, than Beltre still comes out 15 runs ahead in defense and about 10 runs ahead in total value.
That would mean for us to sign Tejeda, he would have to be significantly cheaper than Beltre, and better than Freese as well. I don’t think Tejeda is better than Freese, so unless we could get him for 3-4 more million, I don’t want him.
Age vs Durability
While Tejada is significantly older, it also doesn’t account for the fact that Beltre has a chronic shoulder problem that has flared up twice now. Not that it particularly matters on a short term deal but 3B with shoulder problems shouldn’t be a lineage we continue here in St. Louis.
The WRC+ (which does adjust for park and league) for the last 3 years (plus 2010 Bill James) is:
Beltre
2007: 113
2008: 108
2009: 87
2010: 100
Tejada
2007: 109
2008: 92
2009: 112
2010: 108
For comparisons sake. If the money is the same, I wouldn’t take Tejada. But if the options are Tejada at $6 M a year or David Freese, I’ll take Tejada.
by Hardcore Legend on Jan 4, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
a tad giddy over this (if the price is right)
Schumaker 2B
Ludwick RF
Pujols 1B
Holliday LF
Tejada 3B
Rasmus CF
Yadi C
Ryan SS
Pitcher
Try and seperate the GIDP Kings (Miggy/Yadi) with SB potential in front of them.
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Jan 4, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
Tejada only hits into so many DPs
because when he starts to run, he looks like Fred Flinstone bowling.
by Hardcore Legend on Jan 4, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
haha
perfect comparison
i remember wanting to punch him when he hit that oppo HR off Kmac in ’08 and started doing that
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
those aren't the only options
and i would take freese
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
I would be mightily impressed if anyone posting on this blog could hit a HR in a teeball park
off of a Major league pitcher, not named Wellemeyer. Though, that would be challenging in a different way as Welly would just walk you.
never said a major leaguer
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
I'll take that bet.
Most T-ball parks are just a bit bigger than a big league infield, and I’ve played against some former minor league pitchers in various wooden bat leagues over the years.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
by bet you mean that I would be impressed vs. not so much, sure.
With my batting avg. in little league, I would be impressed with myself to make contact against a major leaguer who was trying to get me out, let alone contact one fair.
Even though in little league I had a .000 Avg. I did have an awesome clutch at bat..me up, with bases loaded, 2 out bottom of ninth. I took a pitch to the helmet, won the championship.
The last two years
his walk rate has all but disappeared and his home run power is pretty much gone, despite playing in a park that gives up a lot of homers every year. James has his BB% jumping back to near 5%, a level that it has not been at in three years, and his ISO moving back to .150, and it hasn’t been that high since 2006. His XBH numbers revolve mostly around his ability to hit doubles now, and Busch isn’t a good doubles park like the Juicebox is. Here are his splits last year. He had an .879 OPS at home and a .709 OPS on the road. UGH.
Couple all that with the fact that he might be 2-3 years older than he claims, his high BABIP last year, and a move to a non-hitter friendly park if he signs with the Cardinals, and I can’t see him being better than either Beltre or Freese.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
other than for pure name value
i too want no part of Tejada, unless he’s prepared to sign for one year and about $2m.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 4, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
I don't want an 8-yr deal w/ Matt Holliday
I don’t care how good he’ll be this year and next.
defy, cards, defy. hey logic --- you suck.
I will say, if my options are 8 years of Holliday
or 2 years of Damon, a THOUSAND times Holliday!
by Hardcore Legend on Jan 4, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
tough call for me
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
jim bowden reporting
98.5 million dollar package….that does not sound like 8 years to me
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Doesnt make sense
Number crunch: Five years at $98.5m is $19.7m per. Boras did not seem to like 5-year frame. Six years at $98.5m is $16.4 or less than Bay.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 4, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
he could be talking out of his ass
or boras finally realized the cards were the only option and relented
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
At the end of the day
it’s Matt Holliday that has to approve the deal and make the decision. I think at this point Matt probably sees the writing on the wall, even if Boras won’t admit it. It might be less per season than Bay’s contract, but it’s more overall.
defy, cards, defy. hey logic --- you suck.
Saw that about 5 minutes after posting
I rather like the deal at 5-6 years. Sounds like the actual number is just shy of 100M as well. A sign of commitment to Albert that he and his contract are still #1?
defy, cards, defy. hey logic --- you suck.
6 years at around $100MM would be pretty great.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 4, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed, a thousand times agreed
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Rosenthal of Fox says....
…7 years 120 mil
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/010410-Rosenthal-plenty-still-available-on-free-agent-market
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
Key words: "I'm guessing"
I have a hard time taking Rosenthal’s guesses seriously.
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he thinks he's Ken Rosenthal
he’s half right.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
His article
also says we will sign Tejada – just say no, Mo
if Mo can get Holliday for 6/96ish
he’s a fucking genius. Hell, 5/96 would be just fine.
Personally I’m skeptical. There has been a greater than usual amount of bullshit out there.
I really hope 6 years is the limit
8 year contracts are just insane in my opinion. Hell, I don’t even like the idea of APu on a 8 year deal, but I would do it just because it is Albert Pujols. Having him in that uniform for his whole career would be worth the risk.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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well, that and the fact that (speaking of apu) whatever we give holliday will then become the scaffolding
for a bigger offer to albert. a 6-year to holliday and an 8-year to albert would be palatable. an 8-year to holliday would likely mean a 10-year to albert, and while I love the guy, 10 years is a lot.
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
we can't give Albert a coaching option, can we...?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Part ownership
would be my preference.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 4, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
of Albertofstan?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I thought we had Emperors
or Potentates or something.
Albertofstan.
F* Yeah!
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Jan 4, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
i suggest
Ottomans
"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~
+1
They’re good for putting your feet up after a long day.
There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 4, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
Yes indeedy
while I would be willing to take the probably 6 great years for APu, and chance a couple lesser ones….6 and 4 is much less enticing.
Hell, it would probably be like 7 great years, and one with no elbow, but I can live with that.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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i have a lot more faith in Albert to stay healthy & awesome than you all
i don’t think he’ll really start fading till he’s 40. i have no problem giving him a 10+ year deal
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
I still think he should be offered a 6yr/200M extension right freakin now.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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that would take him to age 38, then you could go year by year after that
yeah, i can get on board with that. write this down MO
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
and Albert should really be okay
with an AAV of 33.3 M
and the club should be okay with an AAV of 29.
It really is a win/win, in this fan’s opinion.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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they were ready to
then the Mang said, eh, wait a little. what the Mang wants, the Mang gets.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
what I think is hilarious about AP
is that (acc. to FG) Pujols has been paid ~$75M over his career (not chump change by any stretch of the imagination) yet has been worth ~$230M.
So it seems like whatever DeWitt can manage to cough up can’t possibly ever make it really “even” btw Pujols and the franchise….unless somehow the entire STL metro kicks in with whatever 3 million people can scrounge up from their couch cushions, and even then I’m not sure….maybe the Cards need to sell PSLs—“Pujols Seat Licenses”….
it's absolutely amazing he'll never really be paid his full value
that’s just remarkable. no matter what job we all do, we’ll probably be paid to close to what we are worth, yet Albert won’t even come close. that’s just unfreakingreal
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
that's why the word "priceless" was invented.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
what if we renamed the stadium after him?
and i’m semi-serious here.
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
better
than naming it after shitty beer
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
I suspect it's really named after the Busch family, not the beer
But that said, Busch beer is gross, so yeah, I’m on board with Albert Park.
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Where I come from
ordering any kind of Bud or Busch is called a “character defect”.
There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 4, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
I am not a fan of most Bud beers
but a state that produces Coors Light should not be too beer snobbish
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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Hell
I hate Coors beers more than I hate Busch beers. Fortunately, this state has many fine small breweries, like New Belgium, Breckenridge and Odell.
There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 4, 2010 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
just as long as they think ordering Coors Light is even more of a defect
and yes, New Belgium does rule. It is probably in my top 10 beers (and I have only had it once)
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Got a case of Fat Tire in my place as we speak
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Then I don't want to be where you're from
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
At the time Sportsman's Park
was changed to Busch Stadium, it was indeed named after August Busch. It couldn’t be named after a beer or alcohol due to league rules. Busch got around that by naming the stadium after the family, and then later, creating Busch beer to sell at the stadium.
Now with extra feisty!
I proudly drink Busch Light
and recently discovered it only has 95 calories, while tasting much better than Ultra…I have a 12 pack of Busch light in my fridge, waiting to be opened tonight, as we speak (type)
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Ok, I'll admit that
I am a beer snob. I used to drink Bud, until I had my first microbrew. Now, I only drink Anheuser products (and NEVER any Coors crap) when I can’t get a microbrew. A Breckenridge Vanilla Porter is cooling in my fridge as we speak (type), and it only takes one for me to feel good, not 12.
There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 4, 2010 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
has anyone had a
Dead Guy’s Ale, brewed out of Newport, Or? I had a friend tell me about it, and she isnt exactly a beer snob. I am thinking when I have it later on it might be one of the best beers ever.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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dead guy
is good shit
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
rogue is ridiculously expensive here
not sure why. Goose Island IPA remains probably my favourite US-brewed beer.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 5, 2010 5:44 AM EST up reply actions
real ale is some solid, too
and flyin dog.
hell, i still love me some boulevard wheat
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
I love flyin dog, not so much the
in heat wheat, but it has the best name fora beer ever.
I still say Great White might be my most favorite beer ever, although there might be other reasons for this besides just great taste
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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in heat whest is the best!
but i’m a sucker for wheat beers. man. i wish they sold that stuff around here. absolutely my favorite beer
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
In the US
I like Amber Boch on tap, or Fat Tire bottled. In BC, Okanagan Pale Ale.
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Jan 4, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
shakespeare from that company is also really good
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 4, 2010 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
Shakespeare Stout is so awesome
I like the Double Dead Guy too. Yum.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
too light
it’s not bad it just has no taste
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
6/200? Fuck no
not even for albert. You realise that’s $33.3m/yr, right? He’s arguably not even worth that NOW, if the current depression of free agent values is representative.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 4, 2010 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
Next year, it will probably be 4 mil per win, maybe a little higher
Pujols would have to be around 8 WAR for that to work.
while I like WAR
Pujols value is an exception to this. He is worth more to the club than just his on field value.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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I agree
But that doesn’t mean we can’t be rational about it. Let’s say you have a projection of Pujols on field value to the club as 6/160. How much more over that would you be willing to pay to keep Pujols?
If his value truly is 6/160 on field
I honestly believe that over the course of the contract ( and further on into Cardinal history), he is worth and extra 40M. I think and extra 6-7M a year is worth it to have Pujols join Musial in Cardinal lore.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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heck yes
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
I would be for that
But you have to make sure that A) you can expand payroll to accommodate for that, or B) you have a boatload of young cost controlled players. Pujols is amazing, but it’s hard to spend 33 million on a player and still be competitive.
I am basin this off of my belief
that DeWitt is being hinest when he says payroll can be expanded to accommodate Pujols.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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I dont know how the hell
“an” got changed into “and”, but my point still stands.
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Incentives
I would have rather large incentives for 3,000th hit, 500th HR, 600th HR, 700th HR, 800th HR, etc.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 4, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
this is true
he puts butts in seats like no other.
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
I'd offer him 15/300
and tell him he can stop playing whenever he wants and they’ll just pay him his salary to hand around like Red.
$4m per year would be "quite nice" for Pujols.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 5, 2010 5:46 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, and I am okay with that.
He is a special case in that he is worth more than we think he is.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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well
FG says he was worth $40.2M in 08 and $38.0M in 09. He was 8.9 & 8.4 WAR respectively in those years.
So maybe $33M/yr is on the high end, but it’s not coo-coo for cocoa puffs. Now, by the end of the contract he surely won’t be worth that, but how many WAR do you think he’s worth for the remainder of his career?
Anyway my original point was regardless of what he gets, he’s been drastically underpaid for his whole career, which is hard to believe.
The problem is with injury risks
If Pujols is completely healthy, he’d be worth a 33 million a year contract; however, he’s unlikely to stay healthy for the next 6 years.
ugh
I don’t even want to contemplate that.
On the bright side, IIRC nobody thought his elbow would hold up as long as it has….
it is the first rule of Albertofstan
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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Also
you’ve got to figure in his decline phase. At the end of that contract he’ll be in his late-30s, and he’s pretty much a guarantee to need TJ surgery at some point, so you can probably wipe off a big chunk of one year.
He’s at his absolute PEAK right now and is BARELY worth $33m/yr in today’s money. It doesn’t need much of a dropoff in his value (and I still imagine he’ll be a 4-5 win player at the end of that deal) for it to become a real albatross.
I want us to keep him more than anything, but I’m a Cards fan first, and a Pujols fan second. Unless we get incredibly lucky/good in the draft, you’ll be watching a late-30s Pujols playing for a lot of 3rd and 4th place teams with that deal.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 5, 2010 5:48 AM EST up reply actions
I don't necessarily want...
an eight year deal either, but players that are as talented as Holliday often do ok through their age-37 season. The decline is long and slow. He might not be worth $18 million, but he is unlikely to fall off a cliff.
These comparisons with Soriano are quite misguided.
4-6 more WAR in 2010!
I'm not worried he'll turn into a pumpkin
But I’m not a fan of any contracts that long for players not named Albert. Injuries, aging… Who knows what could happen.
defy, cards, defy. hey logic --- you suck.
it kinda sounds like
you’re worried that he’ll turn into a pumpkin.
Injuries, aging… Who knows what could happen.
my semi-educated guess
is that Holliday will age fairly badly, I still think he’ll be well worth something in the 6/100 range, but if we’re signing him for 8 years, I really wouldn’t want to go beyond $120m (15m/yr) and I’d like at least one of those years to be a vesting option based on PA and/or time on the DL.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 4, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
my semi-educated guess
is that Holliday will age fairly badly has already started to age, and pretty badly
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 4, 2010 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
what is the reasonin behind this?
pretty badly , already? really?
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I don't get this either
Obviously he had an off year with the bat, but that can’t be your only reasoning.
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He looks slow to me in the field. . .
and bigger than I remember from his days with the Rox (and not in a good way)
and his bat looked slow in the playoffs, as he had trouble turning on the inside pitch. Granted, this is the smallest of small sample sizes.
All that being said, given all of the p.r. and the dearth of options, if Mo can get him for less than $100M, he should probably do it.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 4, 2010 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
he's just awkward in the field
he is anything but slow. i wouldn’t let the awkwardness of his fielding fool you too much. look at soriano. would you believe he is a plus defender? i wouldn’t either
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Ask Rockies fans
He’s always been awkward in the field. It’s not an age thing. Luckily, his range is still pretty good. He has surprising speed, which he showcased with a bunch of infield hits last year with the Cards.
And you can say his bat looked slow in the playoffs, but what about the months before that when he was basically carrying the Cardinals on his back? His bat looked fine then. I doubt he aged rapidly between the regular season and postseason.
And he’s always been huge. I don’t think he looks like he’s getting chubby. If anything, he’s pretty much the most cut and jacked person I’ve ever seen.
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He does have remarkable speed for such a big guy, too
and he’s a pretty awesome guy to have on the basepaths, actually. Would you believe he’s been a slightly more effective base-stealer than Chone Figgins over the last three years? Well, he has.
I think some of southsidecard’s comments are valid, though. My main concerns about his ageing are a) body type, vis-a-vis fielding (which, as others have pointed out, is ungainly and only really saved by his plus speed),
b) mediocre walk-rate (he doesn’t seem to have the greatest eye ever, and has only just walked >10% in the last two years, I feel if he loses a few points of that, it’ll hurt him a lot going forward) and
c) he doesn’t have amazing natural power – despite his great contact skills, he looks to me to be REALLY swinging hard at the ball, and is more of a “line drive hitter with powar” than a natural long-bomb hitter. He seems to have to put more effort into it than others, and his HR/PA ratio this year (having moved out of Coors Field) was actually pretty mediocre for an “impact bat” (one dinger every 28 PAs). He only hit 25 playing for Colorado in 2008 as well. I wonder if his aggressive swing will have holes appearing in it as his eye and strength deteriorate (a bit like Jim Edmonds’ did, and Edmonds had CONSIDERABLY more power than Holliday at his peak) and as he continues to try to hammer the ball out of the park.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 5, 2010 5:58 AM EST up reply actions
What we should have done
is had a thread where everybody picked a date and contract terms that they thought Holliday was going to sign ( if they thought Holliday was going to sign). Too bad I am only thinking of this idea now, instead of three months earlier.
Some people who have their own bowling ball and their own bowling shoes and no friends.
I started that
but then got SBN’d, and gave up.
there was another fanpost or three along the same lines, anyway.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I almost proposed this yesterday in a comment.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 4, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
it would've been perfect too
I started mine before Christmas. but there was always something wrong with the poll.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Way ahead of me on a good idea.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 4, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
Another great graph (or, is it a chart?)
From Baseball Analysts:
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 4, 2010 1:20 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
That's what Deidre said! HA!
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
::insert looney tunes falling whistle::
by mynameistyler on Jan 4, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
no one should diss Dee Dee
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
ridiculous
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I believe we call that an outlier
I think Mr. Pujols is a better hitter than anyone else alive. That graph pretty much proves it. DUDE IS ALL BY HIMSELF HOLY EFF!!!
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 4, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
so what do we call Betancourt?
luckythatDaytonMoorehasajob?
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Yeah something like that
Also notice that he’s signed Jason Kendall, who isn’t quite as bad as Betancourt, but still pretty terrible. GMDM is utterly clueless.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 4, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
gdm is what?
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
I see what you did there...
gdm is a great human being.
GMDM is a very poor GM named Dayton Moore.
Therefore:
GMDM<gdm
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 4, 2010 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
moore is one of the handful of GM's i'm actually smrter than
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Nothing is as astonishing as how good Pujols is
But how bad Betancourt isn’t far behind in holy-shit-wow factor.
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Joe Mauer fucking rules too
Albert for Mauer straight up. Would you do it?
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
Depends....do we have any of Mauer's stats adjusted for dreaminess?
Albertofstan.
F* Yeah!
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Jan 4, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
ha ha!
someone was going to report back on it, too. I can’t remember if they did or not.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
no
the albert downgrade surpasses that yadi → mauer upgrade i think
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Have you adjusted
for the kickass sideburns or not?
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
He loses his powers
the further away from the Lakes he gets.
by Hardcore Legend on Jan 4, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, Yadi's at least a 4 WAR player
Mauer’s probably a 7 WAR player, so the difference really isn’t as big as it seems.
But can you really measure
the increased swooning and overall dreamboat talent he provides a team???
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
My theory:
Increased numbers of women coming to the park and buying the expensive tickets near the field to see Mauer close up leads to additional revenue, and thus a higher payroll. Win?
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Yes but Yadi attracts a significant female following
so the marginal increase of female fans is no that much?
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
being a hottie only causes minimal lift?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
oddly, this is true
my sister is all about some yadi
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Let me rephrase
All things equal (i.e. don’t consider other players on each team) would you trade Albert for Mauer straight up? Considering age and position played, I’d be tempted to do it
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
Ah...
…but give it time and you have to move Mauer out from behind the plate, and considering this was the first season he’s shown this kind of power I’d be leery about that.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 4, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
I would do it...
Mauer is four years younger and plays a position that is significantly harder to find offense in. There are a ton of 1B sluggers out there. Hell, you might even be able to trade Molina for a 1B slugging prospect.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
...we have secretly switched this Molina with another Molina
see if you can tell the difference?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
i'm not sure i can handle more whispering memes.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
russell martin had one of the weirder years on recent record
OBPing more than you SLG has to be quite difficult to do when you’ve got an above-average OBP and are a decent hitter. What the hell happened to his power?
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 4, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
go check out some of Hornsby's years
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Hornsby didn't have an OBP>SLG season
until way late in his career. I think he was doing more managing than playing by 1932.
(Those are some fun numbers to look at, btw. 1924: .424/.507/.696/1.203. YOWZA)
well who the hell was I thinking of?
It was a player on one of the Hornsby teams. DanUp just had the post on it a week or so ago. Off to search.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Ahh...it was Miller Huggins
from 1910-1916 his OBP was 80 points higher than his slugging.
572 BB for a man slugging .319…fucking crazy!
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Also happens to be the all time leader in walks when he retired
Only Barry Bonds has more.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
yes, but Rickey had a 100+ points on him in career slugging
Huggins was basically a singles guy, and he still was able to force that many walks.
Imma saying Miller didn’t scare anybody with that bat.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Dead Ball Era
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
yes, to the extreme
his slugging was even well below league average for the dead ball era
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
that's goofy
almost as many walks as singles. Just an extremely patient punch-n-judy hitter with a really good eye, I guess. Career .265/.382/.314/.696…..probably not too many guys with career lines that look like that.
you'd certainly take that from your leadoff guy, though!
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 5, 2010 6:00 AM EST up reply actions
A lot of them are really offensive
but the Don’t Run on Yadi shirt will be mine! I wish they came in faded colors.
by Hardcore Legend on Jan 4, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
The "Zambrano Mows My Lawn" shirt is truly horrible
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The Cubs obsession of those shirts are dumb
I was hoping for more player specific shirts. Stuff about Van Slyke, Reitz, ect.
by Hardcore Legend on Jan 4, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
I like
“Let’s get f’ed up like Spiezio!”
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
I got
a MLB catalog in the mail a couple weeks ago where you could customize names and numbers on team t-shirts. I really thought about getting myself a number 12 Liability Cubs shirt…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Very true...
we all know he’s too busy eating and training on his heavy Gatorade machine bag…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
12:35pm: It’s been suggested that the Cardinals have offered multiple contract scenarios to Holliday. One might have been seven years and $112MM, according to SI’s Jon Heyman. Also, Heyman talked to one source who believes the Orioles are “laying in the weeds” despite recent denials.
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
The awesomeness of Baltimore taking on a large contract
when they are nowhere near a level to compete for the division or a wild card knows no bounds.
Teams like that, who want to sign a big name free agent, have to do it as part of a big plan. If you are going to sign Holliday, you’ve gotta bring in 2 middle of the rotation starters and atleast one other if not two above average offensive players.
Odds of them doing that are slim.
by Hardcore Legend on Jan 4, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
This is assuming
they’re a well run franchise… isn’t Andy McFail still trying to create Wrigley east over there???
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Baltimore signing Holliday just doesn't make any sense
They have one of the better young OF crews already in baseball. They don’t need a LFer. I can’t believe it.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 4, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
heyman
i think is a boras croney
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
I bet every internet dollar I own
that the “source” about the Orioles is Boras
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I have no idea how long the rotoworld bar has said this, so go easy on me
but it says fox news reporting $98.5 mil for Holliday
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 4, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
that's Bowden's speculation again
But if that’s true, I’d kiss Mo’s coin purse. It’s probably mean 5 years/~19 mil AAV with a full NTC, but I think that’s still better than drawing it out over 8 years at a lower AAV.
whoa, I don't want to know about Mo's coin purse.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
speak for yourself
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
i'd tell Boras
if Holliday wants to go play for a team and lose 100 games a year, good riddance. otherwise i’d completely ignore any advances from the Orioles.
Whatever
Holliday alone would make them a team that loses only 95 games a year
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
plus he can have all the crab legs he wants, i say go for it Lego
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Crab cakes?
Or does Baltimore have awesome crab legs too?
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
BMore has the best crab every thing
or so i’ve been told
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
So don't get a hooker in Baltimore?
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
well if you are going to have those kind
might as well have the best, no?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
go big or go home
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Crab Cakes & Football!
That’s what we do!
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
shouldn't it be lying in the weeds
laying in the weeds is sexual, no?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
unless the Orioles are laying in the weeds
in which case I hope that’s a nature show…
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Also, Heyman talked to one source who believes the Orioles are "laying in the weeds" despite recent denials.
That’s a euphemism for “sitting on their asses smoking pot”, right?
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 4, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
theres no way
i’m reading all of that
/Just beating others to the punch
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
I read it.
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Much appreciated, sir.
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That was painful.
You can’t even get mad at ignorance like that. You just sit amazed.
At least the guy is trying to educate himself. I guess?
I found Tango's answers lacking though
for a truely unitiated person those answers would leave me more confused than I had started with. For me, a person that probably needs the 201 class so to speak, I left with a “so what” feeling from reading that.
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
To be fair, for a truly uninitiated person, those questions made little to no sense.
It’d be hard to even know where to begin informing a person who is so far removed from the subject he’s asking about.
I don't
There’s no way to inform this guy on things, better to just link him to various examples and let him figure it out on his own. Trying to train the biased and uninitiated is an impossible task, like trying to train your 85 year old grandmother about how to use text messaging.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
dude, I know some foulmouthed grandmas who are right at home with 160 characters.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
i think it's more like
teaching your 85 year old grandma to use google wave or play WoW
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
no, I know some on WoW too
well, I’ve lost touch with them lately, but I didn’t mess with their Dark Elves, lemme tell ya. *
*never played WoW. saw the screenshots.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
haha
I could tell you had never played when you called them Dark Elves ;)
I have played with some 60 somethings in WoW but most of the people I play with range from 20s-40s.
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
yeah, haha
some of my friends would kick my ass. or maybe ban me for three days.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
to assume that all the uninitiated
are biased is a bias in itself. Some are just less familiar and willing to learn, while others are stubbornly set in their ways.
In this particular case
it seems the guy is willing to learn, but all his preconceptions about the subject come from the stubbornly-set-in-their-ways set.
Exactly
He doesn’t seem to be an “earnest learner” like the commenter down below asking about the difference between VORP and WAR.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
To carry the analogy further
it’s harder to teach your grandmother when she denies that texting has any value whatsoever and why aren’t letters good enough for people anymore? Ty Cobb didn’t send text messages, did he? No, letters and RBI were good enough for Cobb; they’re good enough for me.
That's kinda where I was going....lol
Nice analogy by the way. Does it end with you punting some nerds “adding machine” across the lunchroom?
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
Why is it so amazing...
that a given individual isn’t knowledgeable about such things as CERA, wRC, and “Dewan”? These are extremely arcane concepts, recently devised, that occupy a small corner of one sport that’s popular in one large country and a few small ones.
4-6 more WAR in 2010!
I'm not amazed that the guy doesn't grasp advanced metrics.
I’m amazed that the guy is apparently still operating from the “statheads are losers! high five!” mentality that “non-statheads” seem so often to espouse.
He didn’t take the time to try to inform himself about any of the things he asked tango about. He just wrote up a list of cringeworthy questions and challenged tango to defend stat-geekiness.
Most of his questions sounded like he had just heard of sabermetrics yesterday: calling statheads “SABRs”, confusing the positions of statheads and non-statheads in his own question (leaving tango confused as to what he was even asking), etc.
The guy’s got a golden opportunity to learn something new from a guy who’s really informed about said new thing, and he can hardly seem to form a coherent question.
The whole thing strikes me as the army general-vs.-scientist bit from that South Park episode: “What do you know, Mr. Scientist?”
hmm...
didn’t really come off that way to me, but it’s in the eye of the beholder. As for his strange use of SABR, he might think that the “R” is for “researcher”.
4-6 more WAR in 2010!
Reading through it another time,
maybe it’s not such a straight-up challenge as I said. He seems to be earnestly interested in hearing tango’s answers.
But it’s obvious that he’s approaching the subject from a rigidly defined and, in my opinion, poorly thought-out perspective. E.g. his question about intangibles. He flatly assumes that all stat proponents deny even the existence of intangibles. It’s like his understanding of advanced metrics has come solely from Bill Plaschke columns.
And when someone’s coming from that perspective, I get pessimistic that they’re going to learn anything new anyway.
Cubbie Tim is rather thick I believe
People (me) and even others at BCB, have tried to explain to him that saberists DO believe that intangibles exist. However, since they are impossible to measure and predict, they should have no place when making decisions – except for as tie breakers. Tango’s example about Brodeur is perfect.
face-palm
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 4, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
Being named Encarnacion
is not healthy to one’s face
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/baseball/mlb/01/02/jays.encarnacion.ap/index.html?eref=sircrc
OK guys, help me out here.
I’m gonna show my ignorance (see, this is why most of my contribution so far has been witty one liners…well, maybe not so much witty, but anyway).
I’ve been trying to wrap my brain around this SABR stuff for the last few months and understand some of it, but I’ve got a question. What exactly is the difference between WAR and VORP? Is WAR just VORP expressed in # of wins instead of runs (assuming the 10 runs = 1 win conversion)? Also, how are those different from RAR?
Sorry for the semi-lengthy post, just trying to figure all this out. I have been looking on THT, BP, etc., but couldn’t exactly find the answer I’m looking for. Maybe I’m asking the wrong question. Anyway, thanks for the help. And please be gentle.
Albertofstan.
F* Yeah!
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Jan 4, 2010 2:37 PM EST reply actions
1 WAR is 10 RAR
VORP is like a precursor to WAR and i think it’s league and park adjusted
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
VORP also doesn't take defense into account
while I beleive WAR does
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
Yes, this is BY FAR the biggest difference
by tangotiger on Jan 4, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
get that thing you wanted him to sign
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
tango is like the Wil Wheaton of the SABR crowd.
He’s always popping up and making the fans feel loved.
WOW
between this and Y2S’s comment last night about phasing….
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
I just got that one this morning
so maybe it’s just a Star Trek kinda day.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
It has inspired me crack open my DS9 complete series DVDs
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Does he blog from a giant hot air balloon Cory Doctorow-style?
The balloon probably looks like a giant baseball.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
and he replied in the subthread I started!
/swoons
Albertofstan.
F* Yeah!
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Jan 4, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
He must do a google search for things like WAR and wOBA
then comment on anything recent.
I’ve seen him on some pretty obscure boards.
what the f am i missing here?
what makes this tango guy so special to you all?
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
he is the prime minister of the coloney of bacon
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
He's the head basement dweller...
of all of the basement dwellers.
* is an Asshat
by RiverRat on Jan 4, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
it's a bit Honeydew-ish
should be at least Chartreuse by now.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
SABR god
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
He's the most publicly available author of The Book
which, if you need info on what The Book’s done for baseball research, I’m sure others would enlighten you.
oh, gotcha
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
google does have google alerts...
and VEB is listed as a blog, so it’s possible.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
no, i bet he monitors his traffic and sees what pages
are referring to his.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
Rec'd for being an e-celebrity
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the confusing thing
is that a number of people have different **RP metrics, even multiple ones named WARP, all looking at basically similar things.
VORP is one of the earliest ones; it’s still in relatively common use, and it’s hosted at Baseball Prospectus. It establishes offensive baselines for each position and then measures each player’s contributions against them. It doesn’t measure defense, only the different expectations among positions.
When people talk about WAR now they probably mean the numbers on Fangraphs and Baseball Projection, which use defense from UZR and RZR, respectively, and separate positional adjustments from offense and defense. Five years ago they usually meant WARP, which was figured by Clay Davenport against a much lower replacement level and posted on Baseball Prospectus. (Recently they changed their concept of replacement level, which no longer involves someone who’s somehow twenty runs worse than an average player on both offense and defense, to something more modern, but it hasn’t found wide currency yet.)
by DanUpBaby on Jan 4, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec for verbose yet straightforward answer to inquiry
Also, I finished Sputnik Sweetheart last night. Onward plods my trek through Murakami.
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sputnik sweetheart thoughts?
girlfriendup’s gift to me was a rare copy of Pinball 1973, Murakami’s second novel, in English—it was released in Japan to help native speakers with their English, but along with his first novel will never be released in the States. I finished it last night.
You can tell it’s the work of an immature artist—he doesn’t have nearly the grasp of structure or selection that he does later on—but there’s something exuberant and enjoyable about it; he’s so new to his own work that he needn’t apologize for, say, popping identical twin girls out of thin air who refuse to go by names and are called 208 and 209, based on numbers on their sweatshirts.
read that forever ago,
was that the one about the lesbians, and creta kano? I love murakami. What about Johnathan Franzen? Any fans here? i bet hes a cardinals fan
I want Tung Po!
by ILoveTheSt.LouisCardinals on Jan 4, 2010 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
I once saw an old dude riding a mountain bike
up a hill by Grant’s Farm. He had a box of Franzia on a rack over his back tire. I was driving too fast to see if there was a long drinking tube.
Now with extra feisty!
you know,
putting wine in boxes is a really great idea. Its airtight, and you can pour as many glasses you want without having to expose the wine to air. If only there were more wine makers using boxes.
I want Tung Po!
by ILoveTheSt.LouisCardinals on Jan 4, 2010 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
Sputnik was a little harder for me to get my head around than the previous novels
For one, the pacing of the novel really threw me off. There’s a long intro to the characters, then he flies out to Greece, then there’s the hunt for Sumire and then the (spoiler-free) result of that, and then the long, long, long bit after that, culminating with the strange encounter with the klepto child at the end…and then that final scene with the phone…
I guess I’m used to having to sit and think about Murakami’s novels once I finish them, but I’m usually able to play connect the dots with the book’s events and draw a completer and complexer picture. This time I feel like I’m missing dots and the picture is consequently disjointed. For example, I’m not really sure what to make of that last scene with the phone call — whether to take it at face value or not. Nor am I sure about the symbolism of the storage room key, if you remember that bit.
On the other hand, I found the “Sputnik” motif quite elegant. I really loved that particular thread.
I didn’t dislike it — I actually was pretty engrossed — but I feel like I’m going to need to re-read it to appreciate it. I didn’t feel that way about Kafka or Dance. But that may just be because Sputnik is a more complex novel.
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wait, what?
(Recently they changed their concept of replacement level, which no longer involves someone who’s somehow twenty runs worse than an average player on both offense and defense, to something more modern, but it hasn’t found wide currency yet.
2 WAR is league average
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Baseball Prospectus
once separated fielding above average and fielding above replacement level, and replacement level for fielders was astonishingly low—the end result was that a replacement-level player was basically a member of the Cleveland Spiders.
oh, ha
i see
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Baseball Projection uses TotalZone
RZR was a former Hardball Times statistic. They were likely close to the same but for clarity’s sake. . .
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
OK, I think I'm understanding now.
So we see why RBI is the most important stat. ;) Just kidding. Thanks for the help. And thanks for the Baseball Projection link, Dan. I hadn’t stumbled across that site yet. Alright, I’ll head back to the basement again.
Albertofstan.
F* Yeah!
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Jan 4, 2010 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
I like this.
We should have had some How-To posts on how to explain stats to drunken relatives, but sadly that window of opportunity is past.
because, I mean… this guy
Thanks for this, Tom! I really appreciate it. I’ve recently been brought on to BCB to be their "statistics expert."needs some health insurance.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
does he have body armor?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
the more I think about
BCB + stats, the more I am concerned about his welfare and sanity.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
you're a brave man
or just crazy. either way, thumbs up.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
bcb aint bad
i’ve had a couple decent discussions over there. they are civil if less than enlightened
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
BCB is like most SBN sites
SBN to me is much more civil than ESPN, CBS, or any of the “name brand” sites. Being a UK Wildcat fan as well I hate to read what other “Wildcat fans” write at ESPN much less what Duke or UNC fans write about us there. But the SBN site for UK is amazingly levelheaded and just as statfocused as VEB is.
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
He needs...
a very large supply of paddles with which to spank Al. He’ll be breaking one every five minutes over there…
4-6 more WAR in 2010!
The main differences are that WAR is expressed in wins, while VORP is expressed in runs
That’s not a big deal because 10 runs is = 1 win, so you can flip the two pretty easily.
Other differences include that WAR uses linear weights, which are the empirical values of each event in baseball. VORP, otoh, uses basic runs created, which is based off of OBP and slugging, and isn’t as good as linear weights. VORP also doesn’t include defense, but it does include positional adjustments. WAR includes both. Both are park adjusted.
Really, WAR is a lot better than VORP right now, and is more commonly cited around the interwebz, so I would just stick with it.
And for the rest of you, it’s important to remember that FanGraphs WAR is NOT the only WAR out there. FanGraphs WAR has very specific inputs – UZR, FIP – that aren’t necessary to WAR. WAR breaks down to this:
((offensive runs above average ) + (defensive runs above average) + (positional adjustment) + (replacement level adjustment))/10
For offense, you can adjust it by league, park, or whatever you want. You don’t have to use wOBA or linear weights – you can use WPA if you want. Defense can be measured using anything you want. FanGraphs uses UZR, Baseball Projection uses Total Zone.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Plus WAR sounds manly.
VORP sounds like a noise azru makes whilst computing.
by arch support on Jan 4, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
is that what the robots are calling it these days?
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Nice synopsis. Thanks VEP.
I guess different sites using different measures is why I got a little different definition everywhere I went. Man, this math stuff hurts my head.
Albertofstan.
F* Yeah!
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Jan 4, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
The Yahoo baseball blog,
whatever its name is, has had some nice, realtively short primers on some of the “advanced” statistics that are in pretty common usage. If I were you, I’d read those over. They are helpful and worth checking out.
WAR (although, I think the good members of the VEB community have pretty well covered it)
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 4, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
Awesome, thanks.
That’s kind of what I’ve been looking for. I found some “basics” stuff at BP and I’ve read the obligtory Moneyball (granted, not really a statistics primer), The Book, and I just started Baseball Between the Numbers, but I really like the " ______ for Dummies" approach.
Albertofstan.
F* Yeah!
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Jan 4, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
that must be new
last time I looked on wiki, there wasn’t much indepth SABR stuff there. It’s a welcome addition, in that case.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 5, 2010 6:06 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, more good stuff. Thanks, spants.
I feel like all this stuff is kind of starting to click a little.
Albertofstan.
F* Yeah!
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Jan 5, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
Go to THT, and click on Dave Studeman's auther page
It should be on the right hand side.
That man is a genius at explaining sabermetric concepts to sabernewbs.
Done. And agree.
Albertofstan.
F* Yeah!
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Jan 5, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
i like FG's WAR for offense
statcorner WAR for pitching
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
10 runs to a win
Can we stop stating 10 runs = 1 win as if it is a truth? Something like 10 runs correlates to 1 win, or is approximately equal to 1 win would be more accurate. Saying that 10 runs equals a win just seems shortsighted since a team that scores 1620 runs probably won’t have 162 wins.
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
i don't think anyone is saying that
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Maybe I misread it but
That’s not a big deal because 10 runs is = 1 win, so you can flip the two pretty easily.
Sure reads like 10 runs is exactly one win so no big deal to compare run based to win based stats. I beleive that while it may be a way to approximately compare two stats it is not the same thing and is like comparing Oranges to Tangerines, while close enough to each other that a few of one gives you the same basic thing as one of the other they aren’t quite equal.
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
in the context of measuring value above replacement,
10 runs = 1 win
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
meaning
RAR and WAR are not different stats. just different units of measurement
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
wat?
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
I'd like to thank all the little people for this award.
Aaron Miles, mostly.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
you forgot
oh,, wait ,, you said little people. never mind, carry on
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Eckstein?
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
no he said people
last i checked, Eck is people
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
I thought you were discounting him because he wasn't little
not because he wasn’t people
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
no
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
He is saying exactly what I am trying to
that runs (runs scored on the field) are not equal to “Runs” as part of a metric like RAR
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
that's what i was saying, too
probably not very concisely. the attempt is to scale it to runs, but runs in RAR aren’t the same as the runs scored by a team on the field.
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
and that is something most people don't get
it has taken me a long time to get to that understanding, which is why I don’t like seeing runs compared to wins since I think it does more to confuse people than help them
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
it;s still scaled
to the same runs. so people who think that aren’t going to way off base with their assumption
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
runs scored does not equal runs used in calculating WAR
I had the hardest time understanding this a couple of years ago. I was thinking " Wow, Albert could be adjusted to be a 15 Win player.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Sure for RAR and WAR
but I am just asking that we keep that in context, something like 10 RAR = 1 WAR or 10 VORP ~ 1 WAR (since they are different measures I’m not sure if they are “equal”) just to avoid the confusion that 10 runs on the field equals 1 win on the field (which most non stat people would think of first when they see runs or wins).
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
yeah
that’s definitely not necessarily true. i see your point now
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
10 runs = 1 win
has been derived, it’s not like they just came up with an arbitrary figure and decided, “Yup, keep it decimal dammit!!!!” Here’s a link if you’d like to see how Tom Tango came up with this.
It must be taken with the context of comparing players together, not in terms of actual wins on the field.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
And that is where I was going with it
Why do we talk like it is without context. 10 runs = 1 win is thrown around like it is a fact, with little to no context ever used, saying 10 RAR=1WAR is fine but just using generic runs or wins is way to easy to confuse people, especially “non statheads”
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
we were talking about
the difference between RAR and WAR. the context was there
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
But we weren't
it was VORP and WAR not RAR, and I had never seen VORP compared to WAR like that before and as such it immediately confused me. It seemd to imply that 10 runs is always 1 win regardless of measure, and I don’t think that is the case
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
In this case though
they are the same, because the conversion from Runs to Wins for both stats is identical. The differences lie in what they measure, not how they convert runs into wins or vice versa.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
I haven't read the Tango link yet
but why would it not matter in their conversion between runs and wins? If different measures compute runs differently and compute wins differently (since neither actually compares directly to a run or a win on the field) why couldn’t one measure have a 5 runs approximates a win where another is 10 runs to a win?
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
Because
On the team level that’s not how it works. In the normal range of the run scoring environment, 10 marginal runs for a team=1 marginal win for a team.
Not afraid to nitpick
*and it corresponds
That a player responsible for the team scoring 10 more runs is worth 1 marginal win.
Not afraid to nitpick
Ok...
but they scale the same statistically. If one computes runs differently than the other, we don’t change the scale of runs to wins because of that, we try to then determine which of the two stats is a more accurate depiction of runs. Which is why WAR has surpassed VORP, because WAR is actually better at determining actual runs created because of linear weighting, as VEP said above.
We don’t change the way that we calculate wins from runs because that has been derived from game data and is assumed to be true given it’s correlation to actual hard data.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
In looking over that Tango link
I just saw a bunch of simulation results but nothing that actually analyzed what they meant so I guess I am still lacking a bit on why 10 runs equals a win regardless of how that run was calculated, if one measure on average overvalues all players then does baseball somehow gain more overall wins?
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
Here's more
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
The simulation is looking at
gamescores from a bunch of years and then determining what the proper number of runs would be to determine at win or loss.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
i thought
VEP was saying that when comparing RAR and WAR. i don’t know much about VORP because it’s obsolete. so i don’t know if that’s accurate or not. based on what i know, though, i don’t think 10 VORP = 1 WAR
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
The title of his post was about WAR and VORP
and the first line was the line I quoted about how 10 runs euals a win, I read that as a way to compare VORP to WAR is to divide by 10
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
oh you mean, VEP
yeah, i said i misread it. and i still don’t think i agree. VORP and WAR are computed with different inputs. it can’t be that cut and dry. oversimplification in my opinion
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
part of what I was getting at with my first post
It just seemed like one of the most stat inclined guys here was making a vast oversimplication that could be taken way out of context, maybe I am wrong and he is completely right about it but I just don’t get it
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
No, no, no
Runs -→ Wins is static: 10 runs = 1 win sabermetrically. This has been derived from actual game data for use statistically (The Tango link above)
How you determine runs doesn’t matter in the context of the runs to wins conversion, it’s just that one stat may be better at determining and modeling runs created than another stat.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
right
10 runs = win. that’s not the same thing as saying that 10 VORP = 1 WAR. because if you said that, you are saying that 1 VORP = 1 WAR. that isn’t true because they are different stats calculate in a different manner. sure, they’re scaled the same, but if you take a season’s worth of data from one player, i almost guarantee, VORP will not equal RAR. if they did, we would have no use for R/WAR
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
He's not saying that
he’s saying you can convert VORP runs into wins the same as you can convert WAR runs into wins. That doesn’t mean that they’re going to be equal. Read his comment again — he never says that 1 VORP = 1 WAR, just that VORP for Pujols might be 55 and WAR for Pujols might be 65, meaning VORP values Pujols at 5.5 wins and WAR values Pujols at 6.5 wins.
Get it?
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
A bit less confusing
Ok, now I see where it is coming from but I am still confused by the whole 10-1 thing and hopefully more research later today will help that.
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
Here's some more info
That’s a math orgy of a link, just letting you know, lol
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
now I wish I was still in college
because I can’t do calculus fast enough to read all that math anymore. But I did get where it was coming from, it looks like they used to use 9 runs/win as the “assumed total” between both teams, and now have found it to be closer to 10, so it isn’t that you have to score 10 runs to win it is more of an approximation that on average 10 runs are scored per game (total) and some combination of runs created/saved adding up to 10 is equal to a win
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
Correct
It’s much easier to link to it and let you digest it all then to just tell you that’s what the math says, lol.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
a (very) rough way to think about it
Let’s say you had a team that scored 800 runs in a season and allowed 800 runs in a season. As you can imagine, the average record for such a team is 81-81.
Now, imagine that team instead scored an extra 10 runs or allowed 10 fewer runs (or some combination netting them 10 more runs). Historically, teams that score 810 runs and allow 800 or score 800 and allow 790, etc, tend to get about one extra win in the standings (i.e. their expected record is 82-80). As such, 10 runs over the course of the year is worth about 1 win for a team.
Not to self-promote (too much), but I had a fanpost about this recently, showing the impact of 10 runs in various run scoring environments according to a couple popular models. Fourstick’s link is a much more elegant way of looking at this, but the heatmaps might be a tad easier to digest.
by brackenthebox on Jan 4, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
Yes that's the basic theory of pythag
And your heatmaps show that it needs to be dynamic. Pythagenpat makes it sort of dynamic in an easy to use formula, but Base Runs is still king.
Agreed
That’s part of the reason I linked him to the Base Runs section so that he can get a good idea on how we come up with a player being equal to a certain number of runs.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
That was a great fanpost btw.
Didn’t think to link to that, I guess I was more focused on the math aspect of it, hence, Tango.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
thanks
I realized a while back that I am what my advisor calls an “approximate theorist.” I’ll happily leave the real math to smarter people than I.
by brackenthebox on Jan 4, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
yes
coming here is about the time I realized it was time to leave pure math to others and focus on things I’m actually good at.
by brackenthebox on Jan 4, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
Conversations like this make me want to
go back to school.
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
To prove to Dad that you're no fool?
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 5, 2010 12:56 AM EST up reply actions
the way he phrased it
is kind of ambiguous. but, what you are saying is accurate.
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
this has always confused me a bit
How you determine runs doesn’t matter in the context of the runs to wins conversion, it’s just that one stat may be better at determining and modeling runs created than another stat.
Now I understand some of the basics, but wouldn’t WAR be so much easier to understand if how those runs were determined were universal?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
probably
but having WAR with various inputs gives us more info. ERA WAR is a good measure of what happened. FIP WAR and tRA WAR are more predictive stats. etc
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Oh, I get that part
but don’t different sites use different calculations? I have seen places where Player A is a 5.3 WAR OF, and other sites where he is a 5.1. This is what mainly confuses me.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
right
because of different inputs. same formula, though
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Different Inputs give us different values
The calculation for FanGraphs WAR and other WAR sites is different because they use different inputs to determine WAR, and those inputs may use different data collection methods. There’s no standard way of doing this, just a standard formula to use so that they can be compared.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
GUYS
we’re in 2010 now. Can we just drop these “WAR” and “VORP” memes, please? They weren’t even very funny in the first place.
Evaluating players in a computer! HA!
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 4, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Yes
But we’re trying to determine the one best way to make the determination of “runs” for each player, and each iteration gets better. VORP was the standard prior to Tango, now we’ve determined that WAR is better because of linear weighting. You RARELY see any VORP designations anymore, just WAR ones, because we’ve determined WAR to be better and more accurate.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
I guess my confusion
is partly from the VORP to WAR comparison I thought VEP was making and also with how the 10 runs = 1 win thing came about, I looked at the link above and I still don’t see how you can say that.
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
The whole thread is context
not to mention the OP’s question about the difference between VORP and WAR.
If you’re following the conversation, this should be easy to decipher.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
WAR, what is it good for?
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Now do that for the whole song JD
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Thanks again everyone.
My head hasn’t exploded yet, so I guess that’s a good thing. I appreciate all the input, although I didn’t mean for it to turn into a Run-War (ha ha, see what I did there?). Maybe someday, I’ll have all this figured out.
Albertofstan.
F* Yeah!
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Jan 4, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
free pizza at work!
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by prophetjohn on Jan 4, 2010 3:06 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
anyone remember last season
when some batter was stepping up to the plate and they were doing the league leaders in various stats. and said player was X place in runs created. and dan was kind of reading it not realizing what he was reading and he was like, "and player y is x position in……runs?………created?…….. and then there was a long silence?
and the i lol’d
just thought of that
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
how many of y'all think you'll be offline and/or away from media when the deal does go down
and how many of y’all don’t care?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
with a smartphone I am hardly ever away
I check my google reader and now twitter from my phone way too much
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
[picturing Monk breaking the news... after even gdm's gone to sleep]
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
so some time around 8am tomorrow then right?
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
"Allo guvnah! 'Olliday's signed wif the Cardnols. Cheerio!"
by arch support on Jan 4, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions 10 recs
ten more comments as no one replies...
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
haha
rec
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
i propose the Monk is only allowed to comment
if all of his comments are like this
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
speaking of
hasn’t he promised us a long cricket post for a while now?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
yeah, sorry about that
that’s one of about 3 or 4 fanposts that’ve been on the “to do” list for a while. I’m sure i’ll get to it eventually!
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 4, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
i think he should only be allowed to talk like Brad Pitt did in Snatch
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Dear lord
That would be simultaneously awesome and awful
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
awfulsome?
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
here you go
http://www.rinkworks.com/dialect/dialectp.cgi?dialect=cockney&url=http://www.sbnation.com/users/Felonius_Monk
by brackenthebox on Jan 4, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
i propose the Monk is only allowed to comment
if all of his comments are like this
Seems reasonable, me old china.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 4, 2010 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
based on probability
i will probably be near an internet connection when it is announced
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
You live in Austin, correct?
I can’t imagine there’s anywhere in that town where you can’t find an internet signal
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
that and
i have a phone with an internet connection
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
indoor outhouses, too?
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
i live in
THE FUTURE !
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
please tell me there are flying cars
we’ve been promised flying cars since the 40’s
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
What the F*CK is the Internet?!
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Jan 4, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
It's a series of tubes....
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
. . . for porn.
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
and illegal music/tv/movie dl's
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
I hear they are sometimes blocked.
By porn.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 4, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
That is one of my favorite recent Family Guy episodes. Just hilarious!
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
Sunday night's was fantastic
I haven’t laughed that hard at FG in a long time
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 5, 2010 12:56 AM EST up reply actions
I fully expect the deal to happen when I'm not connected.
Then I will log on, read the headline, do a quick check for the dollars/years, and then patrol FanGraphs, BtB, THT, BP, and VEB to learn how I should feel about said deal.
haha
I think that describes alot of us, even when I read the headline on my phone I will probably load up VEB mobile to read opinions here
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
you get extra points for telling the author why he's a mariners homer, even if he's a rays fan.
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
Because he's obviously going to be either a Mariner's fan or a Rays fan
and he’s obviously going to be a “he”
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I was pissed with mlbtr for doing a Halladay headline
much invective. we know where he is!! trying to throw us off the scent…
then I read the article link — good stuff on Jack Z., bits on the Cardinals this decade, and Whitey… nice!
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
i thought I was seeing things when I noticed BR's home page
had “happy holidays” spelled with two L’s, but I checked again and sure enough it was. It was a hidden link to Holliday’s BR page.
is all that money really worth it
if we’re going to be subjected to the puns for 5 to 8 years?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
at least BR let's us know
There are only 91 days til Opening Day!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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i don't think i'm going to make it 91days
it’s 5 degrees outside, it’s been snowing for a week now, i’m running low on the essentials, i just don’t think i’m going to make it
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
someone let the dog sled team know
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Fredbird's dogsled team?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
is the Swedish bikini dogsled team busy saving someone important?
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
oh no
no, do not get into any vehicle driven by Fredbird… not unless you’re a promising prospect or plus player
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
iPod Baseball Apps
What are some good iPod Touch baseball apps, folks? Preferably, free.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
uh-oh.
the greedy sabermetricians’ union will have your card for that.
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
The Sabrmetricians Guild?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 4, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
oh, yes, i like guild better.
it has a whole D&D feel to it which probably appeals to guys in their mom’s basements.
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
My two favorites:
“League” and “Guild”
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 4, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
"And that concludes this guild meeting. Mr. Cameron will close with a reading from The Necronomicon."
by arch support on Jan 4, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I thought Mr. Ash handled that?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 4, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
Waste of money
I thought I would love it but I haven’t used it much either. It is missing many of the key ingredients.
"I learned a long time ago if you keep checking your stats all year, you're going to end up in the toilet." - Chris Carpenter, 2009.
there's not nearly enough Cameron baiting
or people with sock-puppet accounts named after prominent GMs for my liking.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 4, 2010 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
This is the one with WPA?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 4, 2010 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
worthless in the offseason
but the official mlb app is well worth the 10 bucks per season. It has audio streaming of all games included in the price and lets you watch mlb.tv if you already subscribe.
by brackenthebox on Jan 4, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
Wait, wait, wait
No subscription for audio streaming?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 4, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
that's right
just the 10 bucks (per year) for the app. At least that’s what it was last year,
by brackenthebox on Jan 4, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
This sounds amazing.
Does this app also allow me to have audio accompanied by Gameday, or, do I have to go stlcardinals.com for Gameday?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 4, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
and it is really great if you can't get those Sunday games ( and don't have MLB.tv)
99 cents a game, not bad at all
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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Blackout Restrictions
We get FSMW here, but, we do not get the Sunday games that are broadcast on the local NBC affiliate. (We used to ge the WB [CW] affiliate games.) Would the blackout restrictions prevent me from getting even the Sunday games?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 4, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
that is what I thought too
but for some reason they did not black me out, and I live in Iowa as well.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
it has gameday too
pitch locations and everything if I remember correctly.
by brackenthebox on Jan 4, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
So,
this would be a really nice companion for watching games live and in-person, as well.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 4, 2010 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure what the lag is like because I'm always streaming
might be a NextDef’d situation
by brackenthebox on Jan 4, 2010 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
Very good point.
Probably a delay in the radio, too. But, I could more accurately heckle umpires…
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 4, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
if your wireless connection is awesome
there is hardly a lag at all. I sometimes have trouble with my main internet connection, and that is the only time it lags on me at all.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
You mean to tell me that they don't have Shannon on a time delay!?
Wowie, wow, wow, wow.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 4, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
Hey Blue!
That strike call four pitches ago? Yeah, the one on the outside of the plate. No, the one to Ludwick. Yeah, the strike call. That one to Ludwick, you remember? It was wrong.
by mynameistyler on Jan 4, 2010 9:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
per year?!
i thought it was per month. i’m snaggin that shiz
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i came to say this.
The app was worth every penny of $10.
i live a long ways from STL, and the ability to listen to any game at any time was life-altering.
So,
I get the radio stream for $10?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 4, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
yes!
and selected video streams if mlb continues to offer that portion.
Doesn’t does the mlb audio yearly subscription run $20?
I'm confused.
Do you have to buy the app and the audio subscription, for a combined $25-30?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 4, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
Thank you, sir.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 4, 2010 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
Truthfully
There aren’t any. At least not that I’ve found. MLB.com’s app is useful in some ways, but it’s expensive-ish.
Lots of sites (i.e. FanGraphs, VEB, Posnanski’s Blog) have mobile friendly formats now. I get all my baseball information in Safari.
Baseball Superstars 2010 is a fun baseball game, though.
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P.S. Jailbreak your iPhone or iPod Touch
If you haven’t, you’re not using it right.
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mine is slower
but not that slow
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3GS?
My phone hasn’t slowed down at all since I jailbroke it.
Make sure to get Cydia and Backgrounder and SBSettings and Kikikae, all of which will help you monitor your phone’s processes in various ways (and do other key stuff). You can always close something running in the background to free up some memory if you need it.
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what is so great about jailbreaking?
I haven’t done that yet, what are the benefits?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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tethering
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backgrounded apps
essential for pandora and mlb streaming
by brackenthebox on Jan 4, 2010 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
There are a bunch
Free:
- Running multiple apps at once (don’t close Pandora to use the internet) with Backgrounder
- SBSettings (Run finger across the top of screen for a nice, deep settings program)
- Various other tweaks (FiveIconDock, for example, lets you put a 5th icon in the bottom dock)
- Weathericon (makes that little icon actually show the real weather!)
- Themes to overhaul the look of your phone (WinterBoard)
- Various other tweaks and all sorts of other non-Apple-approved apps
Not free (but cheapish):
- Fool your phone into thinking it’s always on WiFi so you can do WiFi-only stuff on 3G
- Tethering (use your phone to get internet for your computer)
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Ah
I don’t tether (yet), just because I haven’t had a reason to do so, so that’s probably the major benefit I know very little about. Thanks for the heads up.
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i paid 30 for pdanet
but the one i’m using now crack the actually iphone tethering app. works wayyyy better than pdanet
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I have no idea what this means
but the one i’m using now crack the actually iphone tethering app.
Also, how (and why) did you pay for PDA Net?
pdanet
is free for html only. i needed it to stream mlb.tv and anything other than html cost $30 after the free trial. maybe it’s not like that anymore. either way, when i updated itunes a couple months ago, it broke the pdanet app on my computer. the one i’m using now requires no software on my computer. so i can use it on any computer
it should say, “the one i’m using now cracks the iphone tethering app.” if you’re on firmware 3.1.2, you’ll see it in general > network.
here’s the walkthrough. worth a shot if you have the problems i did with pdanet
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tethering is free
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I have 3G
I’ve had mine jail broken for about 6 months, so that might be it. I have Cydia and Backgrounder, but I don’t have the other two.
Mainly, I use jailbreak for Winterboard and Internet tethering.
Can I tether my iPod touch?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 4, 2010 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
Won't do you any good
Tethering allows you to use your 3G connection on your laptop. I don’t see how that would help with your I-Touch.
Good point.
I’m on wi-fi with this thing.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 4, 2010 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
FYI, I use Rock
I much prefer it to Cydia, though they amount to basically the same thing. Rock’s UI is way better.
Also, Kirikae is a must-have for anyone who uses Backgrounder, in my opinion).
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I don't know
but it definitely smashes scissors.
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
by STLRegalia on Jan 4, 2010 6:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
how long have you been waiting to use that?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
mlb at bat
is mlb.tv for the iphone. 10 bucks a month. blackout restrictions apply
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holy wow!
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I will repeat my question from above.
Do blackout restrictions apply for the Sunday games that are only carried on the local St. Louis NBC affiliate?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 4, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
almost certainly
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MattyfromMo and inIA
relates that he was no blacked out on Sundays. Being a fellow Iowa resident, this is heartening.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 4, 2010 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, I have no idea why they think I am not in the St Louis market
but they somehow check to see if you are in the area before they allow you to log on to the games.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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If you don't mind my asking,
what part of Iowa are you in?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 4, 2010 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
Really?
My grandma lives there and my dad and aunts graduated from Pella High as well as Central. Small world. Nonetheless, your Mediacom is Des Moines’s Mediacom, which ought to put us similarly situated in terms of blackouts…
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 4, 2010 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
tis what I was thinking
I am still wondering if Apple and MLB dont have somethin goin on , but of course that would mean MLB was doing something fan friendly, and that is pretty hard to believe.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Is the app "MLB.com At-Bat"?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 4, 2010 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
yes, but make sure you get the 2010 version
it may not be out yet
by brackenthebox on Jan 4, 2010 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
Apparently the offseason version is free?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 4, 2010 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
that sounds right
it’ll prompt you to upgrade for the paid version eventually.
Last year they had WBC feeds in the offseason version if I remember correctly
by brackenthebox on Jan 4, 2010 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
Spring Training feeds would be awesome.
Too much to ask, though, of fan-unfriendly MLB, though.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 4, 2010 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
also, they have a MLB.com At-Bat Lite app
which is basically just gameday, iirc
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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fan-unfriendly MLB...
I would have agreed with you before last year.
my view of this is changing after the cheap, user-friendly at-bat app. The performance was top-notch and the free mid-season live video streams was over-the-top.
yes MLB's online presence is outstanding (and cyber-fan friendly)
mlb.tv is amazing, especially when you compare it to NFL options.
by brackenthebox on Jan 4, 2010 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
No, I don't think they will sell the data
They will either keep releasing the xml files to the public, or keep them completely proprietary for the teams.
I think they will keep it out in the public, simply because the research being done by Pitch f/x guys is useful for promoting their product.
i probably wouldn't be a baseball fan
at least not anything resembling what i am now if not for mlb.tv
fuck EI for like $250 a season on top of dish network monthly fees
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The Blackout Restrictions are the atom bomb of fan friendliness.
They are just plain silly and archaic.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 4, 2010 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
if you pay for mlb.tv
you’ll get at least some video of ST games and all the audio for them
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there are no audio blackouts
video is blacked out for national games (saturday afternoon and sunday night), as long as mlb doesn’t think you’re in the STL market. Other than those cases, I’ve never had a game blacked out (with mlb.tv in Boston).
by brackenthebox on Jan 4, 2010 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
That is the problem.
I am in Iowa, with FSMW broadcasts available on the cable package.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 4, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
yes
for the video, mlb uses the gps contained in your iphone to determine your current location.
If you’re within the blackout area, no dice.
as stated above, no blackout restrictions for audio
I sometimes wonder if they have a deal with Apple
because I was able to watch a game from around 100 miles north of St. Louis on that thing once last season. I
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Are you on your hammock,
just surging the internets?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 4, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
*surfing
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 4, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
Surely not in lecture.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 4, 2010 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
I think you mean 'cowlege'
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Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!
would that be like MO or DeWitt saying thanks to me?
because that will never, ever happen
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
"Dear gdm,
You comments at VEB depress me more than watching Joe Thurston take at bats. I literally cannot believe that you are still allowed to post.
Thanks for the f***ing bacon,
Mo"
by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions 13 recs
that's probably not too far from the truth
with pic request thrown in just so he can make sure i’m never allowed to see the team live ever again
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
I predict this will be green when I wake up tomorrow.
also, this thread will have about 10,000 comments and I will get little work done in the morning.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 4, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
it might be the most rec'd comment EVAR!
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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it's sitting at 11 now, it's got a long way to go
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
i have no idea, i wouldn't even know how to look for it
yadi2 or dan n az might, but i don’t have a clue
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
unless it's useless info, facts or pics, i'm pretty much worthless
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
....
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
STOP THIS NOW
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2010 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
this is gonna have one hell of an observer effect
by brackenthebox on Jan 4, 2010 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
No kidding
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FROM: Mo
TO: DanUp
Please post this on VEB and say it’s from me: “I’ll get you miserable little creeps!”
Mo.
by arch support on Jan 4, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Just once, I wish some player like Carp would comment here
That would be sweet. Reading all the stuff about his luggage might make him a bit angry. Fear the luggage.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Totally
Dear HL,
We know what you did and we are looking into every legal avenue at our disposal.
Sincerely,
John Mozeliak, esq.
by Hardcore Legend on Jan 4, 2010 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
That's what happens when you scoop the local media.
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
So I was thinking of running a contest
I still have a few tshirts to get rid of and was thinking of a way to give one away. Maybe a contest of when we sign Holliday. Like whoever is the closest with date and time. But I am not sure of the rules yet. What you guys think?
How do I pay your for one?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 4, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
You can shoot me an email at
FlimtotheFlam at gmail dot com
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 4, 2010 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
why does it always have be indecent?
shoot some tasteful ones already
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
lol
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 4, 2010 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
he sure didn't mean a date as in what you would go on with a woman
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
damn.
harsh man, harsh.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
i'd would have bet a lot of money this would have gone green before vep's
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ouch.
the fire burns.
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that's the herpes.
“that shit stays with you”
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don't you need a partner to get the herp?
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
all i know is don't ride a tractor unless you're wearing two pairs of jeans
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
That is what I am trying to figure out
Like when we first find out he is actually signed or when he finishes his medical exam
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 4, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
The next time you're frustrated with the Cardinals' front office
Just think, we could have Dan Snyder in charge.
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
It is remarkable how he manages to ineffectively throw money at every single problem
in a salary capped league
by brackenthebox on Jan 4, 2010 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
What kills me is that they're thinking of hiring Shanahan
There’s only two other coaches I can think of that would clash with Dan Snyder more than him: Belichick and Parcells. That’s pretty much the list.
I would guess they’ll pay him $10M a year or something to sway him into coming to D.C.
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
That guy is an idiot
This is his strategy:
1. Acquire BIG names
2. ????
3. Profit
Shanahan is sure as hell a big name. Don’t go after a decent coordinator like Frazier from Minnesota. He’s too unknown!
/end sarcastic rant
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In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
if I was Shanahan
I would ask for demand complete autonomy over football matters, nothing less. Snyder needs to sign the checks and stay away from the team.
I agree
I just think that Washington needs a few pieces and they could be good, including some WR, O-line, CB depth. If Snyder stayed away from the coaching, that would be a big step forward.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
That's what he will be doing
He has committed to hiring a gm/president and stepping away. Otherwise, he’d never get a decent coach.
Aging BIG names, too
They either have no organizational plan or they’re on their 75th in the last 5 years.
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
yea, I always felt like Snyder and Ed Wade would get along well
by brackenthebox on Jan 4, 2010 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
That's a pretty awesome comp actually
Only difference is Snyder has money to burn (salary cap aside)
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
He is the owner of my favorite football team
he makes things fun, even though we only play well 1 season then suck for 2.
by Hardcore Legend on Jan 4, 2010 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
as a Cowboys fan i love every minute of it
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Redskins have won playoff games this century
Cowboys, not so much.
by Hardcore Legend on Jan 4, 2010 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
no they have not, and it won't change this year either
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Nah
They’ve figured it out at the right time. I’m picking them to the Super Bowl from the NFC.
Saints won’t win a game.
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
No shot
they still have Tony Romo as their QB and Wade Phillips as their HC.
by Hardcore Legend on Jan 4, 2010 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
I dunno
Just a gut feeling.
Also, how weird is it that we’re having three rematches in the first round of the playoffs from games that were played this past weekend?
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
Romo & Wade will find a way to screw this up, they always have
and they always will
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Ruh roh
Looks like BPro’s getting back in the game.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=9906
Can we say they are the Yankees
of the sabermetric world?
Please consider any Hot Stove talk in the above comment is spoken under the assumption that the Cardinals are not signing Matt Holliday.
They took Colin Wyers!!!!!!!!
Those basterds, those fucking basterds.
I can still Pitch f/x the crap out of them.
the game ain't changed.
it just got more fierce.
- slim charles
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
by tom s. on Jan 4, 2010 6:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No, BPro's been plenty popular
It’s just that they have basically become ESPN in terms of their actual contributions to the sabermetric community. I think they realized that and wanted to become the leaders again. Russell Carleton and Colin Wyers are two of the best in the business and they will certainly help them do that.
I'm really disappointed. . .
that I won’t get to read Joe Sheehan’s 99th rant on why some guy having a great first half isn’t an All-Star.
I will miss his love notes to Bernie Williams, too.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 4, 2010 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
Don't worry Christina Kharl will be writing more often.
So they’ve got the “randomly abuses internal statistics” quota filled again.
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Cool that they're going to host Cot's Contracts, improve it, and keep it free
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I'm intrigued but
they need to make major upgrades to a) their site interface and b) their stat interface. It would also be a huge help if they would just stop maintaining some of the shitty stats so that I don’t have to weed through so much crap to get to their awesome baserunning stats. If they are going to have Colin and PC come up with some new stats, I think that’s great but they (and not Fangraphs) really do suffer from a stat saturation, imo.
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So they're telling Carleton and Wyers:
“MAKE MOAR STATS!!”
?
by arch support on Jan 5, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
I've always loved their stats
what’s killed them in the last five years is the interface work Sean Foreman, the fangraphs guys, etc. have done. It’s too many clicks to get to anything useful, and their server used to choke at least once a blog entry whenever I would try to use one of their stats.
Pujols to the Bronx
What is the garbage? Is this Phil Rogers’ wet dream? http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/features/rumors
NorCal CARDS FAN
I believe this is bull
followed by s***
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In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
It felt sacrilegious to even post that...
I’m sure every team is saving a spot on their roster for him. But if we even F this up by overpaying for Holliday I am going to freak out. Moz will have to lurk in the shadows during his trip to AT&T Park if he somehow screws this up and we lose Pujols.
NorCal CARDS FAN
I think that when the offseason kicked off
with extension talks with Pujols, you could tell that they really wanted to get that out of the way, even when his value was at its highest. I am not worried. I think that Mo realizes what the ultimate task really is.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Phil Rogers has no clue
End of story
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Beltre close to choosing a team
no one has a clue who is on list?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
not the A's
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
tee hee
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
I was first going to write
“I still want wang” until I noticed it would’ve been a big mistake.
I am the Batman
good call
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TWSS
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
2.6
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
I was scrolling by and thought that was a Mang quote.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
We have had this debate before I know
but since the Sawx are the most likely team to acquire Beltre. Anyone want Lowell?
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In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
for the right price, yes
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
if it's anything like the Lugo deal
Boston may just pay out their obligations on him and he’s ours. He’s owed $12mil for 2010 then he hits free agency. His thumb surgery was supposedly successful, but he turns 36 in February and any health questions will be grounds to make Boston pony up most if not all of the $12mil.
If we do make a bid for Lowell, figure he’ll start at least 80-90 games leaving 70-80 starts for Freese. Why not give this a try?
Heaven has brick walls and St. Peter is a red bird.
by EinFesteBusch on Jan 4, 2010 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
if it's all then I want Lowell, but if it's more than $3M and a prospect, I want Crede.
I am the Batman
It will most likely be Brian Anderson imo
A guy similar to Max Ramirez. I would give him up plus 3 million for Lowell, considering that Stock might be better than Anderson.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
i would trade anderson
if we get lowell for free
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Sounds great to me
How many compensatory picks do we get from DeRo and Pineiro? We should definitely be upgrading the farm in 2010 after losing Wallace and Perez.
Heaven has brick walls and St. Peter is a red bird.
by EinFesteBusch on Jan 4, 2010 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
i a piece
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
yeah
calling boras’ bluff
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
He never said anything about Plan B,
just that the Cards were going to be really smart as well.
Giants were smart to sign 1st class winner Mark DeRosa. Soon the Cards will be smart too
* is an Asshat
"We’re getting ready to move," La Russa told The Post-Dispatch. "I know they’ve been talking a lot with Matt. I know we have a really smart Plan B. … (It) could be on Plan A, or it could be our Plan B. The point is, we’re not going to get stuck."
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Does he know we can't sign Mark DeRosa too?
On an ‘every-other-day’ contract?
by Hardcore Legend on Jan 4, 2010 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
Smart plan B = Wainwright in left field with orders not to throw the ball, Pujols-style
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good GOB man, think of the defense!
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Whatever
He’d be gunning bitches down. He may even record the first 7-3 putout in MLB history.
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 4, 2010 7:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
only if the mets really do sign bengie.
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
I imagine most 7-3s
would be double plays where the runner on first was running on the pitch, fell down, or didn’t think the LF was going to catch the ball. 7-3s on ground balls are probably vanishingly rare.
At the risk of stating the obvious….
the only scenarios (that don't involve joe thurston)
where I see it happening involve either a hamstring injury or a sniper…
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
that's just going over the line man!
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
tough but fair if you ask me
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Quick Question
Anyone know where free agent signings for the last ten years are chronicled? Baseball Alamanac? Baseball-Reference?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
VEP,
this looks rather complicated, but it might work:
http://www.retrosheet.org/transactions/index.html
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 4, 2010 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
It doesn't seem to have salaries or contract length, though.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 4, 2010 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
ESPN seems to have one that goes back 4 years
there used to be a better one at baseball almanac or something like that, but I cant find it
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
MLB.com
you could probably go through ‘Transactions’.
by Hardcore Legend on Jan 4, 2010 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
Yup
January 2001 is the furthest you can go back in ‘Transactions’.
by Hardcore Legend on Jan 4, 2010 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
On January 5th, 2001
Agreed to terms with outfielder Bobby Bonilla, who had been with the Atlanta Braves, on a one-year contract; agreed to terms with third baseman Shane Andrews and outfielders John Mabry and Bernard Gilkey on minor league contracts and invited them to spring training.
Boy, those were some solid moves.
by Hardcore Legend on Jan 4, 2010 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
Does it have details of the terms agreed to?
Number of years and amount of dollars?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 4, 2010 7:20 PM EST up reply actions
Some
March 1, 2001
Signed first baseman Mark McGwire to a two-year, $30 million contract extension.
by Hardcore Legend on Jan 4, 2010 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
MOTHERF*CKER!
12/18/01
Signed free agent 1B Tino Martinez to a three-year contract.
by Hardcore Legend on Jan 4, 2010 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
$24MM value, right?
My dad is a big, big Yankee fan and he called to congratulate me on getting a “real gamer.” Ugh.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 4, 2010 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
According to Cot's
- 3 years/$21.5M (2002-04), plus $8.5M 2005 club option
* 2005 option declined 11/04
* acquired in trade 11/03, with St. Louis paying $7M of $8.5M remaining
* signed as a free agent 12/01
by Hardcore Legend on Jan 4, 2010 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
I remember most signings
that one escaped my memory though.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Jon Heyman, baseball "expert"
Someone gave him a HoF ballot, which appears to have filled out at random.
He voted for Jack Morris…but not Bert Blyleven.
The statistically oriented and sabermetrically inclined tend to think I’m not all there, particularly when it comes to Blyleven. But I do have an explanation.
Heyman reasoning: He was good for a long time, but I don’t look at career statistics too much, and I vote for people who are dominant over people who are durable. Also, his career was “lacking in drama.”
Yes, that’s right, he actually said, “I don’t put quite the same emphasis as some on career statistics.” He defended this saying, “And I do recall it’s called the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Numbers.” Arg.
He wants players who were great for a short time over players who were very good for a long time. He doesn’t say how long someone has to be great for to make his ballot, of course. Nor does he actually argue the point beyond that. He even says he prefers “impact,” as if a very good, highly durable player doesn’t have impact. What a douche.
(He goes on at some length about Blyleven, basically taking potshots at statistically-inclined people and sort of labeling them as flip-floppers or something.)
He voted for Don Mattingly…but not Edgar Martinez.
Heyman reasoning: Martinez only cracking the top 10 in MVP voting twice in his career “suggests something less than dominance.”
I guess he sort-of-kind-of-a-little-bit refers to the whole “he was a DH” thing, which is an argument I can sort of understand, but wasn’t his main point. His main point was that Edgar Martinez didn’t get enough MVPs to reach the mythical Plateau of Impact and Dominance that Heyman lists as his main HoF criterion.
The best part is where he lists Martinez’s career OBP (.418) and SLG (.515) and then mere sentences later says his offensive numbers aren’t good enough based on his HR and RBI figures.
He voted for Andre Dawson, but not Tim Raines.
Heyman reasoning: Raines was awesome as an Expo, but not as awesome with other teams, and diluted his awesomeness by playing for a long time. He was good though, and people have a point when they note that he’s arguably the best base-stealer ever, and had an awesome OBP, but I’m not voting for him now, because those points, while persuasive, will become more persuasive later as they age like a fine wine.
The weird bit about him only being for the Expos aside, I don’t get this. If he’s good enough, vote for him. If he’s not, don’t. Don’t say that he’s pretty deserving but though the argument is a strong one, you don’t feel like listening to it for a few more years. That’s dumb.
/rant
Sigh. With each passing year I care less and less about the Hall of Fame.
Back to work.
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he falls for the "wins get you into the playoffs, so that's what pitchers should be based upon"
Many stat people suggest wins are not important in evaluating careers. But until wins don’t decide who’s in the playoffs and who’s out, who makes the World Series and who doesn’t, I will continue to view them as important. A pitcher’s goal for each game is to win the game, not to strikeout the most batters. And until that changes, I will count wins and losses. I also believe the truly great pitchers pitched to the scoreboard with the real goal in mind.
Another “familiar” argument he uses is the “you never saw him play” argument. Yikes.
Some people have their own bowling ball and their own bowling shoes and no friends.
Beltre gone
Red Sox and Adrian Beltre agree to a 1 yr. $ 9 million dollar contract with a second year option worth $ 5 million.
Source?
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Like, the dead president?
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OH I GET IT
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well crap
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
I would've signed him to that, it makes me angrier than the Harden deal.
CURSES MO!!!
I am the Batman
Fuck, the Red Sox are just amazing.
They got Cameron and Beltre, about 6 WAR next year, for about 15 million.
This is a player...
giving the Red Sox a discount so he can play on a big stage in a park amenable to righties. He figures he can get 5/80 next year so why bother with 3/27 this year. The Red Sox just got lucky on this.
4-6 more WAR in 2010!
Lucky and smart often overlap
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boras client
smells like holliday implications to me
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
god, that's a great deal.
felipe lopez, come on down!
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
....
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
by gdm426 on Jan 4, 2010 8:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
how does that even make sense?
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NO NO NO
STOP THIS NOW
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2010 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
soooo last year
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2010 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
we had over 800 comments & no pics, i had an itchy trigger finger
sue me
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
can you sue your own father?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2010 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
i don't see why not
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
i didn't take you for a guy who'd go the litigation route
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
his lawyer is
Bob Loblaw
"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~
That's not a 2009 meme!
If we can’t reference Arrested Development, then what is there?!
Now with extra feisty!
*Doesn't take the bait.*
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good work.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I didn't realize you were the VEB police
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 5, 2010 12:58 AM EST up reply actions
it's not ambiguous
it’s trying to stretch it too far
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
omg twss lol
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
see?
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
I'll never get tired of this. Evar.
Best moment I've ever seen at a Cards game in person
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Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Before we give the Sauks credit for getting the drop on us,
Beltre apparently said it would be a team on a coast. so the Cards were never in the running, unless you’re talking about the Middle Coast.
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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
off topic
Oilers, restaurant feuding over $18,000 New Year’s Eve bill
Obviously, there’s only one great mystery left to this story: Who drinks 100 shots of tequila at a high-end Italian restaurant anyway? Isn’t that like ordering a fine chianti at a taco joint?
comedy gold
snap did anyone see this
5:30pm: Sources tell ESPN.com’s Buster Olney that the Cardinals and Holliday “are close to a deal.”
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ew
possible seven-year deal.
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more like 6/98
with an option for the 7th year?
*fingers crossed.
Heaven has brick walls and St. Peter is a red bird.
by EinFesteBusch on Jan 4, 2010 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
if MO pulls that off, he deserves the GMOY award right now
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it's still early, anything can happen
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
what has the world come to when Floppy can get $10Millon damn dollars?
i’d give him 2/$5 but not 2/$10, that’s just way to much
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wat
he was worth 4 WAR last year
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i would be worth 3 war if i played in that park half the time
this is why i haven’t gone full SABR yet. no matter what stats & numbers you throw at me, you’ll never convince me Floppy is worth anything anymore.
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
his attitude & performance when he was here in 08 really rubbed me the wrong way
he was really cocky & lazy prick who thought he was the GOB’s gift to baseball. he pulled a manny & quit on the Nats so he could go to a contender, then he still didn’t try to play his best when he got here. i can’t stand it that TLR said he was a great player & teammate, it’s like we were watching two completely different players
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He hit .385/.426/.538 while with the Cardinals
And he wasn’t playing his best?
I think he made some ugly mistakes in the field, but other than that, I don’t know how you can criticize him for mailing it in considering how totally awesome he was for us.
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what, miller?
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do you know who felipe lopez is?
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yeah i forgot he ended the season up with the brew crew
i was talking about bank one, but miller isn’t exactly hard to hit in either.
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
yeah, he's my gmoty
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he's.... in Seattle?
also he’s a badass ninja, he’d never go to the ceremony, that we know of.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
The love for him is entirely premature.
He’s had one full offseason and any monkey could look good after what Bavasi did there. I think he’s getting overhyped by the large Mariners internet contingent.
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he improved his team
more than any other gm this offseason
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Right
put me in charge of the Royals and I’ll be the fucking GM of the year too. His team was shit. When you set the bar that low. . .
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adding
figgins, lee and bradley is going to improve any team a lot
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I’m just not that impressed. He’s done well but I don’t get why it’s any better than what Cashman has done, or Epstein, or a handful of other GMs. The difference is the Mariners front office was one of the three dumbest in baseball prior to his arrival.
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i think cashman
is a close second. vazquez for peanuts is probably the best single deal. he won the granderson trade, too.
beltre and cameron were good signings for theo, but they are huge wins like lee or -silva/bradley were. and he overpaid for lackey. it’s no albatross, but lackey is no ace. and he’s getting paid like a premium ace
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are not huge wins*
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
geez, I heard it back then
and logged on to VEB wondering if there would be any discussion on it.
and 100s of comments later… y’all are so great at staying on-topic, lol.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
DID YOU KNOW?
Dave Duncan has the fourth worst fielding average by a Catcher in a Season, since 1946 (min 125 G) w/ .9758
okay, I did not know that
how does one find a stat like that?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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i think they tell you via facebook
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ahh, now I know
sneaky twittering Effy
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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i figured you got it from Posnanski, i have been wrong before though
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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No, I was going through SABRs big book of useless crap.
You’re right behind Ed Asner in the jerk ratings.
did you know I am available at The Jerk Store?
I think they ran out of you though
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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Ed Asner's a jerk?
I thought it was all an act.
Now W.C. Fields. That guy was a jerk!
by arch support on Jan 5, 2010 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
tipped too many pitches?
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
yeah, but I bet the pitchers he caught had a great ERA(maybe)
because of his advice.
I am the Batman
who cares?
Best moment I've ever seen at a Cards game in person
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Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!
so the fiesta bowl
kenny albert doing a football game?
BARFFFFFFF
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2010 8:22 PM EST reply actions
fail
and you need to chill.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2010 8:24 PM EST up reply actions
i'm not sure that's kenny albert
he’s an older dude
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i get my FOX broadcasters confused
it might be sam rosen.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2010 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
i don't know who it is, i just know it's not kenny because my ears aren't bleeding
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it's sam rosen
and it’s still bad.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2010 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
ah, and the big news
lol, why?
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apparently this was news
on wednesday. ididn’t see it. still baffles me
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
You underestimate Brian Sabean
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
No Shelley Duncan in the Cards
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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what's the point in tweeting if no one can see them?
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so everyone really is pointing & laghing at me
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THE TWEETS ARE COMING FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE
by Mister Eff on Jan 4, 2010 9:16 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
LOL
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 4, 2010 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
worst. movie. ever.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2010 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
you're too old.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2010 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
If that's why I don't get your terrible movie references,
I am fine with that.
by Mister Eff on Jan 4, 2010 9:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
whatever.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2010 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
He's right, you know.
That was a terrible reference.
by mynameistyler on Jan 4, 2010 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
whatever.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2010 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
no way is that the right reference
you’re too young apparently. and the movie isn’t that old
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say, it aint so, google!
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IT'S THE RIGHT THING
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2010 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
it was a crime that movie was remade
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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i've never seen that one either
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I've never seen the remake, even though there's decent actors in it.
It’s just not okay that the remake exists. I mean, would you remake On the Waterfront? I don’t think so.
Now with extra feisty!
whatever
i know movies are remade. and i know i’m wrong on some of them. but i don’t care.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2010 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
i'm not in the intellectual mood tonight
i’m smarter than you probably think i am right now.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2010 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
shut up.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2010 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
i don't care
i still think of that i know what you last summer movie when i see that or whatever it’s called
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here gdm
RT @drewsilv: For all you Duncan family enthusiasts out there, Shelley signed today with the Indians. 30 dingers at Triple-A last year.
I am the Batman
get on the twitterin already
damn it gdm, just do it!
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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i don't think so
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i can't do it man, i just can't
the whole social network thing is just so wrong to me, no one needs to know what everyone is doing all the time. especially me. i mean what would i say & would anyone really want to read it?
1am: time for bourbon lol!
3am: time for more bourbon roflol!
4am: sleep!
noonish: time for bacon lol!
4pm: omg! time for more bacon!
7:50pm: i had to so much bacon today almost poo’d myself running to the can!
8pm: what should i have for dinner? BACON!
midnight: time to get my drink on! fathers lock up your daughters!
1am: why don’t any daughters want to come down to the basement? FML ;-(. at least i have bourbon!
6ly, the world is better off i’m tweeter illiterate
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
by gdm426 on Jan 4, 2010 9:58 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
don't you go to work?
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i recently lost me job
good times
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not up here, i met with the lead prof & it didn't go so well
now i’m doubting if i really want to do what i was going to do
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car modification guru
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no, like lingenfelter performance engineering & hennessey performance
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it sells itself!
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
bummer
at least you have more time to spend with bacon
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i'm about to run out of ways to buy bacon if i don't get some kind of work soon
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
you could sell your body for bacon
two birds, eh
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woah, read that as "sell your body AS bacon"
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by YesWeOquendo on Jan 4, 2010 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
i'd get more money that way
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and loose those holiday pounds
two birds, still works
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by YesWeOquendo on Jan 4, 2010 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
just a friendly spelling reminder
loose =/= lose (sorry I see this misspelled all the time)
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 4, 2010 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
Twitter doesn't have to be very social networky.
I just use it for news and jokes and bullshit. I think like three people I know in real life follow me.
you mean i'm not your real life :(
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2010 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
you just replied to me last night, dude
read the sig.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2010 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
Imo's slogan:
Tastes good (if your food alternative was a cardboard refrigerator box that a dirty hobo was living in).
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by azruavatar on Jan 4, 2010 10:11 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
no
imo’s is amazing. i understand you don’t like provel but at least allow people like me to enjoy it.
and now that you know, follow me, bitch.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2010 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
YOU TAKE THAT BACK ABOUT IMO'S
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i love imos.
I love that only st. louisans get it. Its like our vegemite, or Stinky Tofu, natto, etc. Its one of the few things I fiend for when i come back home.
I want Tung Po!
by ILoveTheSt.LouisCardinals on Jan 5, 2010 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
i just use it to follow baseball
my life is too interesting for updates
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he's only interesting because he's a matt on VEB
it’s like batting in a hitter’s park
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
HFS
®
the tar heels of north carolina just lost to the college of charleston in OT. wow
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and yet they will still probably be ranked in the top 10 next week
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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haha!
Best moment I've ever seen at a Cards game in person
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Looking forward to Cardinals baseball in 2010!
They were overrated anyway.
Can’t expect their entire team to play up to their potential. Especially one full of freshman.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
What does Beltre deal say about Holliday
Boras settled for a one year deal for a top talent. Gotta think that Holliday is going for the low end of the range on years and $
Just win
3 years, 5 million
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It's time for an overflow
There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 4, 2010 9:41 PM EST reply actions
Holy comments!
Someone care to give a run down of what was learned, gleaned, and memed today at VEB?
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG
as little as possible.
forget it. it’s chinatown, jake.
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
war discussion
holliday deal close
that’s what she said
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I sum up
since none of these jerks will do it
5th starter, cool graph, no one can believe TLR has a Twitter, but HFS © it’s Tom Tango!!
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
SBN'd
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
p-d forums
think that a $2.5MM option for the 7th year makes sense
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doesn;t sound like it
Six years 16 million…and a 2.5M option for 7th year makes sense to me.
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seems like
an attempt to make sense of 98.5
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ok....I know the level of the PD boards,
but he had to have dropped a 1 and meant 12.5 right?
* is an Asshat
i dunno
the money comes out to an even 98.5
i say we go 3/48 with four 2.5 options years after it
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no way!
club options!
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ilike that kind of option
do it MO!
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
if they're club options his value will be enormous
and we could trade him for some great prospects.
I am the Batman
i think that contract makes sense
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God I love commentators at the PD.
I spend like 10% of my work day reading their stupidity and marveling.
I always wonder what
their outlet for nonsensical seething bigotry was before the internet was invented.
Oh for f*cks sake
Might be worthwhile to stay up late Re: latest Holliday developments. To appear soon @STLtoday.com. Or buy Tuesday’s paper. Either one fine.
* is an Asshat
strauss?
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lhjf;lsadfj;lkasdf;lksadg;klsd;klj
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
"OHHHHH!!!!!!! IT TASTES. SO. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!"
-BOOOOOOOOG
isn't this his first day back?
i’m ready for his next vacation already
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by YesWeOquendo on Jan 4, 2010 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
man
and i’ve stayed up until 1 the last three nights while having to get up at 7. promised myself i’d go to bed by 11
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well
tomorrow is my friday. what’s one more 6 hour night?
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Every day
is my weekend. Being retired is sweet.
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Jan 4, 2010 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
per a john marecek tweet
it’ll be up by 10 or so.
@JoeStrauss I told desk to go ahead and post story after done editing. Probably be up around 10 (via @REIDLAYMANCE) Holiday update
http://twitter.com/JohnMarecek/status/7390899225
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2010 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
Strauss has editors?
He should share with Burwell
by Evilfrog on Jan 4, 2010 10:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
his non-chalance
almost makes me think it’s more important than previous ones where he tried to build it up
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@joestrauss might be worthwhile for cardinals fans to stay up until midnight... I'm so, so lonely.
by DanUpBaby on Jan 4, 2010 11:36 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
rec'd, I completely approve of all @joestrauss imitations. If anything should have legs, it's this
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by YesWeOquendo on Jan 4, 2010 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
i can't find anything on google
but some p-d poster said there are rumors of the rays moving to austin. that would make me immensely happy
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Austin, Massachusetts?
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
by Taskmaster on Jan 4, 2010 10:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Glad someone got it :)
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
no
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grady on the trading block?
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/01/odds-ends-orioles-braves-indians.html
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colby and grady in the same outfield?
too much manliness for some posters here, methinks. also, who would play center? or would they both just pick sides of the outfield to play and have 5 IF?
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
colby would play center
and that’s final
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grady
skip
holliday
pujols
colby
freese
yadi
p
boog
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Why the fuck would Skip be batting second?
by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2010 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
.360 obp
i initially had skip and grady swapped, but i think grady’s speed would be wasted in the two hole on a tlr team
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fuck his speed
i like his 30-odd HR power in front of the mang…
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 5, 2010 6:30 AM EST up reply actions
I'll try.
Skip
Grady
Albert
Holliday
Colby
Yadi
3B?
Boog
Pitcher
Or you can switch the bottom two if you’re Tony.
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I don’t like watching Holliday play left.
3B? /cringe
I’d rather see ludwick there. he’s… got a strong arm? AND he’s like 6’3’’
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by YesWeOquendo on Jan 4, 2010 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
He throws lefty!
Now with extra feisty!
by spants on Jan 4, 2010 11:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
just move Ludwick to 2B
I cannot repeal the words of the golden eel
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 4, 2010 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
Colby would play center.
Grady is not a real center fielder he’s just real fast so he can make up for mistakes. Colby is a much, much, much better defensive CF.
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it touches me
to hear you say this
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Because.
I think if I remember right it had to do with Grady not being ready to move and the fact that he’s Grady Sizemore. Also Franklin wasn’t exactly putting up great offensive numbers and just a bunch of stuff.
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What
was about the reference by someone yesterday or the day before about Colby personal issues or something? I hadn’t heard anything. The manliness reference refers.
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Jan 4, 2010 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
Boog could play rover
we wouldn’t need a 2b or SS. 2 DH’s dude….2 DH’s. Take that AL.
* is an Asshat
by RiverRat on Jan 4, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
if we do that
all those guys end up being awesome and grady gets hurt
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 4, 2010 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
I'm thinking it would take more like this to grab Grady with the years on his contract.
Wainwright
Ludwick
Garcia
I'd do it
In a heart beat. As much as I love Carp, that’d be a hellava deal.
by Mulliganstew on Jan 4, 2010 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
they'd be like "is that Cliff Lee?"
and no one would know the difference, as long as Carp doesn’t talk.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
It's from a mailbox. A fan asked and Castro answered.
It doesn’t actually say they are starting to look. It says:
But beginning next year, multiple factors — most notably Sizemore’s performance, the team’s performance and the development of Michael Brantley — will coalesce to force the Tribe to determine whether Sizemore is available to other clubs. And by midseason 2012, at the absolute latest, the Indians will have to decide if they want to take advantage of Sizemore’s trade value, because, as I’ve written several times before, it’s difficult to imagine him signing his next multiyear deal here.
So not right away.
link
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doesn't matter. 2k10, 11, or 12. he's going to the yankees
they need a pretty face to replace The Jeter
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by YesWeOquendo on Jan 4, 2010 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
He can go anywhere but the Yankees and I'll be okay.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
he'd be the second coming of the Mick if he went to the Yankees
socially wise that is, not on the field performance
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
are you saying this young man isn't pretty enough to be the face of the yanks?
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
this is the hidden part of that animated gif where pablo sandoval gets distracted by the cake
Joba is just out of frame, hoping Fat Ichiro trips and rolls into his waiting jaws.
by DanUpBaby on Jan 4, 2010 11:40 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
"plan b"
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It just wouldn't be right.
That would obviously be my favorite option.
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HOLLIDAY UPDATE
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2010 10:59 PM EST reply actions
Give me a seconda and we'll have an overflow thread for this.
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
prophetjohn! your services are needed!
That direction began to clarify during a weekend flurry of face-to-face meetings among Cardinals Chairman Bill DeWitt Jr., general manager John Mozeliak and Holliday’s agent, Scott Boras, in Austin, Texas.
get down there and find out what’s going on!
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
i've read before
that he was living here in the offseason. thought it would be neat to see him buying groceries or something
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I don't want to read it, can someone summarize?
by vivaelpujols on Jan 4, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
nothing we don't already know.
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 4, 2010 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, you can
because you already know it
deal is close. not finished
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I don't like this paragraph
La Russa has remained unswervingly optimistic about Holliday’s return, even when Mozeliak projected that possibility as “less than 50-50” and Boras last month said the organization was understating its financial resources.
has La Russa been messing with Us?
I am the Batman
key phrase
“last month”
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I think it said "even when"
Meaning that even during the time when Mo was predicting…
Not necessarily right now.
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i dunno
mo is pretty much a politician. his words are so carefully crafted so that he can always go back and say “well, i never said…”
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Maybe Mo can add a "Pujols Hometown Discount Clause" to Hollidays contract.
Whereby “the Club can opt out of any deal in year two of said contract should it become obvious they will have to pay the market price for El hombre”.
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over 1100 comments & there's still not a damn thing going on
i did learn one thing today though, TCU has the best looking cheerleaders on the planet
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
trust me, your daughters are safe
unless they want to make a trek out east to the frozen hell & venture down into the basement. even then they’d be safe. gdm is nothing if not a gentleman
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
not a damn thing going on in real life either
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 4, 2010 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
have you ever eaten at the depot diner?
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
I have not
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 4, 2010 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
dude, if i ever make it up there we have to break bread for lunch or dinner there
it looks awesome
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
sounds good!
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 5, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
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