The Memphis Rotation and ZiPS
by DanUpBaby on Jan 28, 2010 6:00 AM EST
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At what moment did you decide you would never again put something past Tony La Russa and Dave Duncan? I'd always said it, I think, but it finally hit me that it was actually true, instead of a funny joke, when they decided to make Braden Looper, who had never made a professional start, into a starter. Now they've turned Skip Schumaker into a second baseman and attempted to rehabilitate Mark McGwire in consecutive offseasons.
But what I am trying to get at is that in spite of all of this uncertainty, I expect the following pitchers to spend at least some time in Memphis in 2010. Garcia aside—and I still would be surprised to see him start the year in St. Louis, given the Cardinals' reluctant approach to young starting pitchers—they are the second line of reinforcements. As useful as they may be, these are the guys the Cardinals are trying to avoid playing. They are... the Memphis rotation.
| YR | League | W | L | ERA | G | GS | IP | H | ER | HR | BB | SO |
| 2009 | AAA | 2 | 0 | 3.86 | 4 | 4 | 21.0 | 17 | 9 | 5 | 9 | 22 |
| 2010 | ZiPS | 4 | 4 | 4.75 | 16 | 12 | 66.1 | 69 | 35 | 8 | 30 | 51 |
That's the Cardinals' top fifth starter line via ZiPS, and it's also a fine projection for a pitcher who made 19 starts in 2008, nearly all of them in the minor leagues, and then missed the vast majority of 2009. But at an ERA+ of 90 it's also not an extremely exciting first choice for 2010's rotation.
I get the feeling Garcia can and will beat that projection in terms of inning-to-inning quality, given the way he performed both before and after his arm injury; he's seemed ready to post a 4.75 ERA since he was 19. But expecting both a breakout and a full season from the rookie fifth starter is pushing it.
| YR | League | W | L | ERA | G | GS | IP | H | ER | HR | BB | SO |
| 2009 | A+/AA/AAA | 11 | 4 | 2.85 | 28 | 25 | 148.2 | 138 | 47 | 5 | 57 | 124 |
| 2010 | ZiPS | 5 | 7 | 4.85 | 28 | 23 | 118.2 | 124 | 64 | 14 | 55 | 77 |
The best of the Cardinals' seemingly endless supply of and appetite for low-upside college right-handers, Lynn pushed his way into Memphis as a new-and-improved version of Adam Ottavino, striking out a generous-but-not-striking number of hitters but doing it with command that was less Chris Perez and more Jess Todd.
Unlike Garcia's fair-but-not-exciting projection, this one seems exactly right to me—Lynn is a low-upside pitcher to begin with, and turning in a bad Jeff Suppan season seems about right if he were to get called up this year and stuck. It's not great, but if enough of these guys turn out you don't have to look for Brad Penny and Kyle Lohse to fill out the rotation.
| YR | League | W | L | ERA | G | GS | IP | H | ER | HR | BB | SO |
| 2009 | MLB | 3 | 3 | 7.80 | 14 | 13 | 57.2 | 68 | 50 | 7 | 40 | 46 |
| 2010 | ZiPS | 5 | 6 | 4.92 | 20 | 20 | 93.1 | 92 | 51 | 11 | 54 | 76 |
ZiPS, of course, doesn't know he just had shoulder surgery, but it probably realizes something was up. Hill might not have anything left, but look at what comes before and after him—there's neither enough supply nor constrained-enough demand in Memphis for Hill to be blocking anybody. If somebody like Scott Gorgen starts vaporizing hitters in AA into June and Rich Hill is still scuffling and no other movement has happened between AAA and the majors... that's a pretty good worst-case scenario.
There's no risk, but you can only have so many of these guys—the Cardinals have chosen Hill, who seems like a good choice, and Zink, who I wouldn't have been able to resist, either.
| YR | League | W | L | ERA | G | GS | IP | H | ER | HR | BB | SO |
| 2009 | AAA | 8 | 10 | 4.54 |
21 | 20 | 121.0 | 128 | 61 | 6 | 44 | 113 |
| 2010 | ZiPS | 4 | 6 |
5.26 | 20 | 15 | 87.1 | 97 | 51 |
13 | 37 | 64 |
Walters got killed relative to his peripherals in AAA—that FIP is 3.07—and just plain killed in his brief Major League stint, but ZiPS is by no means a believer in the soft-tosser of first resort. The six home runs in 16 MLB innings probably did not help matters. But what makes this most difficult to stomach is that a guy like P.J. Walters is forecast to get knocked around to the tune of a 5.26 ERA... but the Cardinals still brought Todd Wellemeyer out for 21 starts at a 5.89 ERA. Once a guy dives below replacement level, it isn't a bad idea to replace him.
| YR | League | W | L | ERA | G | GS | IP | H | ER | HR | BB | SO |
| 2009 | AAA | 6 | 15 | 5.59 |
27 | 23 | 135.1 | 134 | 84 | 10 | 93 | 47 |
| 2010 | ZiPS | 8 | 12 |
5.49 | 27 | 25 | 142.2 | 162 | 87 |
15 | 70 | 53 |
I guess this is a positive projection after a nightmare like 2009—that ZiPS can see past that year (in the more pitcher-friendly AAA league, no less) and predict that he'll do basically the same thing in the National League is half a credit to Zink's excellent 2008 and half a realization that it's difficult to pitch any worse than he did last year.
Zink could do anything in 2010, although odds are good that he won't do it anywhere near the Major Leagues. But I remain on the push-him-into-the-bullpen bandwagon. If there's so little reason to be certain about his true talent level, why put him in a situation where he pitches once every five days and is expected to go six or seven innings at a time? With Hill in the fold Zink is likely pushed out of the rotation anyway, since space needs to be opened up for...
Adam Ottavino
| YR | League | W | L | ERA | G | GS | IP | H | ER | HR | BB | SO |
| 2009 | AAA | 7 | 12 | 4.75 |
27 | 27 | 144.0 | 141 | 76 | 12 | 82 | 119 |
| 2010 | ZiPS | 5 | 11 |
5.81 | 27 | 27 | 131.2 | 151 | 85 |
17 | 83 | 87 |
ZiPS doesn't much like Ottavino, and to be honest I'm not sure why it should. We're all aware, at this point, of his physical gifts, but keep in mind that his walks per nine were closer to Charlie Zink, a knuckleball pitcher in full meltdown, than they were to, say, Mitchell Boggs's. Ottavino's strikeout rate isn't bad, but he doesn't strike out enough batters to do the Wild Thing thing, at least as a starter.
The Cardinals pushed Ottavino aggressively last year, just as they did fellow first-rounder Pete Kozma, and to be honest I'm not sure they got anything new out of it. In both cases the player's flaws were magnified and his skills shadowed by the struggle. Ottavino held his own in Memphis, which is better than Kozma managed in Springfield, but "his own" right now isn't going to get him in to the Major Leagues.
This isn't a terrible group of minor league starters, but that is, for the most part, what they are. I like who the Cardinals have lined up to pitch in St. Louis, but I worry they're still one short.
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Programming notes:
- The rest of the Cardinals' ZiPS projections, which I'll probably talk more about tomorrow, can be found here.
- I'll be appearing on KMOX's Sports Open Line with Kevin Wheeler tomorrow night at some point between six and eight. If you're in the KMOX listening area and want to hear (spoiler alert—it's prerecorded) more of the same things we've talked about on this blog for the last several months, you're welcome to give it a listen.
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Ottavino
I’m looking for a Hawksworth resurrection from Ottavino in 2010. I’m still not convinced Jimmy Journell didn’t change his name to Hawksworth, get a birth certification from Canada, and go back to A ball in 2005. Otto has shown us flashes (WBC). Love to see this guy put it together this year.
Ditto
I almost think the 2010 Ottavino Breakout is becoming such a commonly held belief (hope? Blind faith?) that it’s pretty much the default position now on VEB. I kinda hope/think there’s good basis for it, though…
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 28, 2010 7:49 AM EST up reply actions
VEB has tapped
into the universal unconsciousness of baseball, the ultimate zips. Ottovino shall prevail in 2010.
I Wuz Lookin'...
…moore for a Lynn breakthrough – but I’d take one for both!
:=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
jjray
It appears you have nominated yourself to lead the Blake Hawksworth/Adam Ottavino Birther Movement
Good point
Where is the Hawksworth / Journell birth certificate?
I kinda think Parisi is just about the LEAST interesting of all these possibles
at least Walters and Zink have an “interesting” plus pitch that might somehow transition into a major league bullpen and be useful, and at least ottavino has the “good stuff” tag going for him. I’m really not sure what Parisi provides at all, other than dead-on replacement level swingman pitching.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 28, 2010 7:48 AM EST up reply actions
I disagree with the characterization on Parisi
His fastball is average to above average, he’s added a cutter to complement his already good curveball, and he throws strikes. There are a number of complementary reports on him including here, here, and an interview here. In short I think you guys are selling Parisi’s abilities short.
"I learned a long time ago if you keep checking your stats all year, you're going to end up in the toilet." - Chris Carpenter, 2009.
Concerning Parisi
has he had any injuries in the last 5 years? I saw him pitch in low A ball a number of years ago and he was really impressive – the very good curve and fastball were apparent then. Of course, that was low A ball.
having seen PJ in the majors last year
I’m not sure the word I would use is “interesting”
He barely threw his changeup in the majors
for some reason. And it’s his best pitch and has been consistently characterised by scouts in the minors as a very good one. I wasn’t blown away by him last year either, but he at least showed that he had a competent slider too. His problems are control and the fact that his fastball sucks. I still think it’s not implausible he can move to the pen and be useful in future.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 29, 2010 6:11 AM EST up reply actions
Options
Please don’t strike me with a lighting bolt,,,, but,,,, I believe Parisi has already been optioned once off of the 40 man, meaning if he gets optioned again by the Cubs I believe he can become a free agent immediately thereafter…. No facts to support this observation but it is mine nonetheless….
if the cubs
even remove him from the 25 man roster, they have to offer him back to the cards
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Jan 28, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
for a price
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
But reletively nothing
Isn’t it like half what they paid for him in the first place?
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
$25K. they paid $50K.
i really can’t see parisi sticking on their roster, unless they just release their newly acquired $20M albatross. i said at the time of the parisi pick – and i still think it – that the cubs might as well have written the cards a check for $25K and cut out the pretense that parisi would have stuck.
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no waivers for mike?
we didn’t get perdromo back, pads picked him up on waivers
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
The team that loses the Rule 5 has first right
If the player is dropped from the 25 man, he must be offered back to his original team for $25k. If they pass, I think the claiming team (Cubs in this case) have the option to keep him in their MiLB system.
by ArkansasTravs on Jan 29, 2010 1:02 AM EST up reply actions
we just got back to the car
put our hand in our pocket, could’ve sworn that was where we left him and then…. no. Where WAS he? To this day, we’ve never quite figured it out.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 29, 2010 9:51 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I believe
that if a team no longer wants a Rule 5 pick, they put him on waivers – any team has a right to claim him in the usual order – however, any claiming team must keep the player on their major league roster the remainder of the season – in Perdomo’s case, the giants put him on waivers and San Diego claimed him
But that's after he's offered back to his original team,
correct? I would guess that would mean the Cards felt it was better to hold on to their $25k than reclaim him?
by ArkansasTravs on Jan 29, 2010 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
technically, the losing team has "last right"
IE, the other 28 teams get a shot first, THEN the losing team gets a shot, THEN the picking team can option him.
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
I feel fairly confident that we have adequate options
I know I’m inviting tragedy, but barring injury I don’t see any Todd Wellemeyers bogging down the rotation (on paper anyway).
I hadn’t been paying as much attention to Lance Lynn as I had to Garcia until recently. I keep seeing them right next to each other on various prospect lists, and I’m wondering: is there a reason I should be significantly more excited about Garcia than Lynn? Besides the handedness they seem pretty similar. Are there differences in K/BB or GB rates I’m missing?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
So now that minorleaguesplits.com has stopped being on wonky on me
I see that Garcia has always had way higher GB rates. So that’s good. I knew he was a groundballer but for some reason I thought Lynn got more groundballs than he actually does.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
That's because Lynn doesn't do anything especially well, so he is dubbed a groundball-inducer.
Garcia gets groundballs very well and also strikes batters out. Imagine that!
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Yeah, after taking a closer look I totally see it
I’m guessing Garcia’s injury is holding him back a bit on the lists.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Yeah, that's interesting...
especially since the Rotoworld thingie just told me that Smoltz was likely to return to the Cards. What kind of hitter would we pick up at this point?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
cheap ones thats what
and i dont mean that in a bad way
Milt Thompson FTW!
If that is the case,
I would rather we signed Smoltz than Rich Hill. Am I the only one?
by cardsgirl95 on Jan 28, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think it was an either/or proposition.
I don’t think the Cards signed Hill instead of signing Smoltz. I think that Hill is part of a low-cost and therefore low-risk strategy to acquire arms and let them compete for the MLB staff and Memphis staff. If Hill doesn’t work out, it costs the Cardinals almost nothing.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
As I understand it
Hill only gets his 545,000 salary if he makes the major league roster.
is there a reason I should be significantly more excited about Garcia than Lynn?
If you’re a lipidophile (pretty sure I just made that word up) you should – Lynn’s much fatter.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 28, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
he.
I wasn’t sure that was a term that my American cousins would understand! So I just made one up.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 29, 2010 6:12 AM EST up reply actions
Someone who's a "phile"
is someone who has an interest in something. If you’re a “lipidophile”, and if Lynn is fatter, you’d be more excited about Lynn than Garcia. The other way, you’d either be a misolipidinist, or have lipidophobia.
Time for a new sig.
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 28, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
yeah I knew that
I thought he said it the other way in the OP. D’oh!
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 29, 2010 6:13 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, that's what they all say...
they all say “d’oh.”
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I know Haren isn't supposed to be mentioned around here
but how was he viewed say in AA or AAA…..from what I remember he wasnt viewed as a potential #1 or #2 pitcher in the majors…wasn’t a ton of hype around him. If my memory is correct, isn’t there a chance one of these average to slitghtly above average pitchers could breakout and be better then a back end starter?
I’ve liked the pick of Lynn from the beginning. Durable, quick moving collage guy who can make it to the majors quick for minimum wage. He has enough talent that hopefully working with Duncan can make him a solid contributor to the rotation for years to come on the cheap.
Milt Thompson FTW!
I often wonder about this too.
I don’t think wainwright was really thought to be a #1 type pitcher either. Maybe we’re better at assessing true upside now? Or are we still fooling ourselves into trusting our projections too much? Or am I misremembering the past? Or was I listening to the wrong people in the past?
That ought to cover my uncertainty.
by brackenthebox on Jan 28, 2010 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
They were both in the Jaime Garcia camp I'd say
but minus the injury issues that Garcia’s had lately.
I’d also say that guys who’re thought to be middle-of-the-rotation prospects rarely turn into top-10-pitchers-in-baseball type guys like Waino and Haren. Those two are pretty major exceptions – I can’t think of too many other guys in the last 5 years or so who’ve done the same. Also, those guys have both got a big out-pitch or two. I really like Garcia’s curve from what I’ve seen of him but I’m not sure Lynn has any plus offerings, really, he’s just kinda OK in most respects. I suppose, on the other hand, Haren’s never had a real knockout pitch, and has just developed really good control (and a cutter) as his career’s gone on, but I’d say his slider and splitter have always been pretty good pitches too.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 28, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
Yep
but he didn’t have that when he was a Cardinal. He’s only really developed it in the last 2-3 years. It’s part of why he’s gone from “above-average #2 type” to “bona-fide ace”. He didn’t really use it in StL (in fact I don’t think he had it at all) which is part of why he wasn’t considered an absolute top line prospect (also, he’s developed his control as his MLB career’s gone on, from just so-so to excellent, although admittedly he had a good walkrate in the minors).
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 29, 2010 6:15 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure the #2/#3 guy mantle. . .
still isn’t a fitting description of Wainwright.
I mean, I love the guy, but he’s only had one year of being in the top 10 in the league in ERA+. Let’s see a couple more out of him before we bestow the mantle of #1 type pitcher.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 28, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
Waino is certainly a #1 type by now
imho……its not just 1 year. pretty much the whole time he’s been up he’s pitched like a #1. Other then missing time due to the finger injury and the first month or so of his first starting pitcher season he’s pitched like a #1.
Milt Thompson FTW!
Maybe we differ on what it take to be a #1 pitcher. . .
I like ERA+ for this type of stuff, but I can’t figure out how to make b-ref show me the full ERA+ leaderboard, so let’s go with FIP, which I am meh on, but works reasonably well for this purpose:
2009: Wainwright ranks 6th in the NL in FIP, and 5th in xFIP, which I slightly prefer.
2008: Wainwright would have ranked 17th in the NL in FIP with enough innings to qualify, and 21st in xFIP.
2007: 12th in FIP, 21st in xFIP.
His 2009 certainly fits the profile of a #1 type pitcher, but IMHO, 2007 and 2008, not so much. And durability can’t just be hand-waved away, either. That’s part of what (again IMHO) makes a #1 pitcher a #1 pitcher.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 28, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
I have no problem saying Waino is a #2 pitcher
in a rotation with healthy Carp, that is hardly an insult.
#1b
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 28, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
But being a Top 30 pitcher in baseball
Doesn’t that make you an ace?
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 28, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Not really
The whole 1-5 labels are meant to be “#1 starter on a dominant team”
Not afraid to nitpick
yeah
wasn’t he our main return on drew, while haren was the second biggest name we gave up for mulder?
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
I thought Marquis was the main return
Waino was an injured underperforming prospect if I recall correctly
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
Ray King was the BIGGEST return
:)
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 28, 2010 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
your pick nits
if 12th in FIP, 17th in FIP and 21st in xFIP combined with his 2009 6th and 5th isnt good enough to classify him an ace.
Milt Thompson FTW!
To be a #1 pitcher to me
you need to be in the top 30 or so in baseball. That would allow each staff to legitimately have a #1 at the top. Now I do also see a cream of the crop though in which the top 10 or so fall (Haren, Carp, Lincecum, CC, Lee, etc.)
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
Yeah, but just b/c you're #1 for the Pirates, doesn't mean you'd be #1 for anyone else.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
I didn't say the pirates #1
I beleive top teams have two #1 pitchers while teams like hte pirates have 2-3 levels as their “ace”. I am talking distribution if the #1 pitchers were evening distributed it would give each team 1, but that would mean Waino and Carp on seperate teams kind of thing.
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
I see what you're saying now.
I understood it differently the first time.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
Zack Ohlendorf demands an explanation
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 28, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
That's not his name!
(If this was a joke, well then haha.)
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
Shit
Ross Ohlendorf demands an explanation
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 28, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
that's okay
i was going to say russ ohlendorff until i saw your post
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
Mixture of Zach Duke and Ross Ohlendorf
Hmmmm, to the laboratory!
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-George Carlin (RIP)
Surely given there are 16 teams in the National League
and he’s ranked in the top 16 in the league in FIP every year as a starter except one (2008, when he was 17th), he’s pretty much by definition a #1 starter???
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 29, 2010 6:16 AM EST up reply actions
To each his own definition, I guess. . .
My logic is that there aren’t necessarily 16 “aces” or if you prefer “#1 starters” in the NL at any one time.
Everything about Wainwright’s 2009 screams “ace”: his durability, his run prevention, and his peripherals. If he does close to that for another year, or maybe two, then I’ll be comfortable describing him as an ace.
In 2008, he missed time, his run prevention was a notch below 2009, and his peripherals were a notch below 2009. Forget for a moment that he’s the Wagonmaker, and look at this line: 132 IP, 3.20 ERA, 2.3 BB/9, 6.3 K/9, 8.3 H/9. Is that an ace? If so, then is Randy Wells (2009: 165 IP, 3.05 ERA, 2.5 BB/9, 5.7 K/9) an ace?
In 2007, Wagonmaker put up 202 IP of a 3.70 ERA, 3.1 BB/9, and 6.1 K/9. Nice pitcher? Yes. Ace? No.
Granted, this is a one-hand clapping argument, but there are a lot of non-aces who have put up one season as good as Wagonmaker’s 2009. Javier Vazquez, I’m looking at you.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 29, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
I'm really sure that Waino was more heralded then Haren ever was
Milt Thompson FTW!
An interesting story
when Ankiel was on one of his pitching comebacks six or seven years ago, he pitched a game at AA Knoxville, then a Cards affiliate. I was passing through and planned my trip so I could watch Ankiel pitch. He was really good after a lousy first inning. However, they were playing the AA Braves team, and Wainwright was the starter for them. Waino was really good from the start. We traded for Waino either that year or the next.
Yeah, I remember there being
a ton of hype around Wainwright, but then, Atlanta, like the Yanks, tend to hype up their minor leaguers to the max. So, even though I was happy when he came into the fold, I was also reserving judgment to see what he did once he hit the Show.
Time for a new sig.
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 28, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
Pitchers are generally not very predictable.
There is a long list of guys that got knocked around for years then suddenly turned it around. There is an equally long list of “cannot miss” prospects that never did much of anything.
I think
If we were as knowledgeable then as we are now, we would have been jumping for joy to have Haren’s 2004 AAA season: 10.5 K/9, 2.3 BB/9. Career minor league 9.1 K/9, 1.7 BB/9.
Not afraid to nitpick
Jesus christ I'm going to stab someone.
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Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
I think Dunc's record with young pitchers is at best questionable. What's your take?
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i think his forte is the vet reclamation project
i’d prefer he stay away from, say, the milllers of the org.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
It's funny you bring up the Looper experiment
because that is EXACTLY when I realized that TLR/Duncan would try anything that they thought might help them win.
Thank you
That was an extremely informative post. It is very helpful to have a better understanding of plans b, c, d, omg, etc. . .. It also crystallizes the margin for improvement. Does this analysis presuppose the 5th starter still isn’t with the team? Boggs? McClellan?
everyone knows Custer died at Little Bighorn
What this book presupposes is… maybe he didn’t?
…anywaaayy, Agreed, Dan, on Walters; I would’ve liked to have seen him in place of Wellemeyer at some point this past season.What his fastball lacks in heat, it might be able to make up for in movement. He’s got some seriously wacky movement on that thing.
MY Theory is this:
George Armstrong Custer’s real name was Toots McBoobsalot. That is all.
;=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
McClellan
the latest to converted (or reconverted) into a starter – my money is on him to start the season as the 5th starter, unless Hill really is back
kmac as SP
makes me hurt inside. maybe it’s an ulcer? all the friggin’ walks! does anyone else see him as starter material after last season?
Who believed that Looper could be such an answer?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
you could make the case
that the walks will do less damage as a starter, but i don’t want to make it.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
A 4.75 ERA for the 5th starter spot is WELL above average
I would me more than happy going into the season knowing that Garcia was going to give us 200 innings and a 4.75 ERA. The problem is projecting him for 200 innings – or even 100.
What is the average 5th starter ERA?
It seems like I read something on this a while back, but I can’t remember. Isn’t it in the 4.80s or so?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Per THT
It’s late 5’s to mid 6’s.
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/another-look-at-starting-rotations/
"What's your favorite Chuck Palahniuk book?"
"I like the one about the alienated character who finds the socially unacceptable way of coping with modernity."
Am I misreading?
This section states:
Finally, the Numbers
Using this model, here is the average starter in each of the first six rotation spots:
Spot ERA GS IP
#1 Starter 3.91 28.5 181.2
#2 Starter 4.61 26.6 165.7
#3 Starter 4.74 27.6 167.5
#4 Starter 4.82 20.8 123.4
#5 Starter 4.96 20.6 126.8
#6 Starter 4.77 15.5 95.1
The average rotation got 124 starts out of its front five and another 15 from its top replacement, leaving 22 more for the rotating back end that most teams employed. The biggest difference is between the #1 and #2 starters, suggesting why having two aces catapults a team so far ahead of the pack.
Notably, the number of innings and starts takes a big drop after the #3 spot. That’s not so much due to injury, I suspect, as ineffectiveness. (The two, of course, are not wholly unrelated.) Especially in the #5 position, pitchers are hardly guaranteed their spot for as long as their arm stays attached.
The average fifth starter ERA is 4.96.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight
"What's your favorite Chuck Palahniuk book?"
"I like the one about the alienated character who finds the socially unacceptable way of coping with modernity."
Who'd have thought that theSixth Man's ERA would be lower than the #4 and #5 slots?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Is that the ERA while starting?
Wouldn’t surprise me if those were bullpen guys taking up that spot and if the ERA took into account their bullpen innings.
Makes sense
Also, there is surprisingly little difference between #2 and #5.
“You can never have too much pitching.”
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
how do you optimally use Garcia then if you don't think he can handle the work load?
Also, are there any reports on pitchers back their first full season from Tommy John? I’d be curious what the average workload is.
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
I would start him in the minors
See if he is healthy and effective. Wait for Penny/Carp/Lohse to get injured. Bring him up.
Sign either Smoltz or Washburn to start the season. Relying on Garcia would be a HUGE mistake.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 28, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
In the minors
Garcia’s innings can be monitored more carefully. He can pitch only 5 innings in a start, have extra days of rest between starts, etc., all of which will let the Cards see if he is healthy and allow Garcia to rebuild his arm strength without the pressure that would result from him being the fifth starter in the majors. And, as vep said, he makes a great replacement when the inevitable injuries occur.
Exactly
The FO seems to want to give Garcia a chance. I’m arguing there is no need to go into the season relying on him for the 5th starter spot in order to give him a shot. Sign Smoltz or Washburn, and then bring up Garcia when injuries happen.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 28, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
And in 2011
Penny will likely be gone and whoever takes the fifth starter spot this year might be replaced, so there will be definite openings at the big league level.
Pitchers have been known to come back and pitch full seasons after a season of scattered rehab.
Josh Johnson’s 2009 was around the recovery and rehab time frame as Garcia’s 2010 is shaping up to be.
It’s just not something that can be counted on.
"What's your favorite Chuck Palahniuk book?"
"I like the one about the alienated character who finds the socially unacceptable way of coping with modernity."
while we should knock on wood and throw salt under a ladder on a black cat when citing a small sample size,
jaime’s fall 2009 certainly inspired hope that his return in 2010 would not look bad.
if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus
by tom s. on Jan 28, 2010 6:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
His mechanics are frightening,
but I hope for a few good cost-controlled years.
"What's your favorite Chuck Palahniuk book?"
"I like the one about the alienated character who finds the socially unacceptable way of coping with modernity."
I've made a spreadsheet of predictions already
They are a tad bit optimistic, I believe, and all assume completely healthy all year, but I have Garcia at:
30 starts
160 IP
144 hits
114 K
67 BB
1.32 WHIP
1.7 K:BB
6.41 K/9
3.77 BB/9
8.10 H/9
I know it was discussed some already
but any thoughts on Keith Law’s top 100 prospects? I’m surprised how high he has both Miller and Jones. Miller because he’s so young and Jones because of his forgettable 2009.
Other than that, the only other thing that excites me is that I got a bunch of these guys’ autographs at the Futures game.
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
but overall he hates our system
second from the bottom only ahead of the White Sox who he says make no effort to stock their minor leagues.
Milt Thompson FTW!
it's tough....tough but.....
anyway, he’s right that we basically unloaded all top tier talent last year as our sacrifice to the mang.
the good news I think is that Luhnow and Co. are more than competent and the system will be restored shortly (and perhaps it already is).
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
his org rankings for the cardinals surprised me a bit...
St. Louis Cardinals
1. Shelby Miller, RHP
2. Daryl Jones, OF
3. Lance Lynn, RHP
4. Jaime Garcia, RHP
5. Robert Stock, C
6. Dan Descalso, 2B
7. Eduardo Sanchez, RHP
8. Adron Chambers, OF
9. Francisco Samuel, RHP
10. Audris Perez, C
I haven’t heard of Audris Perez, and don’t know much at all about Adron Chambers…can anyone fill me in?
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Jan 28, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
very strong defense, good speed, decent offensive numbers.
if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus
Chambers at 8 is a total joke
he’s a low-minors toolshed of the sort that very, very rarely even MAKES the majors, and his offensive skillset and numbers from 2009 suggest that he won’t ever be a good hitter, most likely.
His ceiling is probably Jon Jay, who, erm, isn’t in this top 10.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 29, 2010 8:05 AM EST up reply actions
who the fuck is Audris Perez?
6ly did Law pull this guy from no where, how is he any better than Freese or Craig.
its bothering me too that ive never heard of the guy
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
he looks good to me
he’s 21 and put up a .839 OPS at johnson city with a .264 BABIP. he’s probably a bit older than other guys at that level, but he was pretty unlucky on his BIP
dude could stand to take a few more walks though, as that OPS is very slugging heavy
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
well
i guess he would’ve been 20 at JC. i’d imagine he’ll probably move up to springfield
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
thats a huge jump
QC is much more likely
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
yeah
after posting that i realized that johnson city is rookie, not A. i was thinking of quad cities
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
this doesn't help me at all,is he a good catcher?, can he hit for average?, something that leaves me with
a sense of justification on why he’s on the list.
okay he's gone by audry perez too
and i know i’ve seen that….i think my hpgf tag is still secure
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
And.....KLAW COMMENTS
Hey guys. Obviously we’re seven months past the pick, and Jones was hurt much of the second half and didn’t light me up in the AFL.
Lynn’s a starter, for sure, and I’m sure you guys know I’ve always liked him. Garcia’s been out with TJ, has a bad arm action, and might very well be a reliever. That’s the only reason. Adjacent spots nearly always = minor differences.
Perez can catch and has thump. He DH’d because they had three catchers there with Stock and Tartamella. We’re debating who’s 10th in a weak system, though. I’m not going to argue vehemently that he’s 10th and not 12th.
Thanks for reading.
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
I have honestly never heard of Perez.
I doubt very much that an unheralded 20-year old in rookie ball who put up so-so offensive numbers in like 40 games with a 4-1 K:BB ratio (FOURto f’ing ONE!!!! Against pitchers mostly younger than him) is even a prospect at all, let alone one who is better than: Allen Craig, Jon Jay, David Freese, Tyler Henley, Adam Reifer, Joe Kelly, etc etc etc.
The fact he was the third-choice behind the plate at Johnson City tells you what they think of his receiving and/or his upside. Honestly, this is just a blind, stab-in-the-dark pick with about 0.001% “I told you so” value in 5 years’ time. It’s getting to the point of being deliberately obtuse.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 29, 2010 8:15 AM EST up reply actions
i was stumped by that pick too
i wondered if kozma had changed his name to perez.
forgot about henley, who i like as a 4th OF soon, kind of the type we’re looking for now.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
This may just be wishy washy fan speculation
but any chance orlando cabrera could play 3b for us?
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
I think I'd rather have Floppy, but maybe?
(No, seriously…I’d truly love it if the Cards could sign Lopez at a reasonable price.)
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
Yes...
Floopy and Reed Johnson would surely ease my stress level about the bench. Take Craig as the extra outfielder and our bench is set. What this team needs are some proven bats on the bench in case people aren’t producing or injuries. Why put yourself behind the 8-ball, depth wise, when you don’t have to before the season? If people start going down do you really want Tyler Greene (can’t hit), Joey Bombs (coming off a wrist injury, or Nick Stav-infection filling in? I don’t. If we seriously have title hopes, we need a bench.
"A slick way to out-figure a person is to get him figuring you figure he's figuring you're figuring he'll figure you aren't really figuring what you want him to figure you figure." ~ Whitey Herzog
by birdsonabat on Jan 28, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
If we have hopes
We need a pen and a backup plan on the rotation. I don’t think Hill is the stop gap measure. More arms I would expect to come first; but, I’m think a Floppy signing is in the works.
Dots Miller for HOF. 'cuz a name means everything!
According to Bernie...
The big M said we’re done signing pitchers. Which OK with me. We have the competition for the 5th spot in the rotation. If we need another bullpen arm righty’s aren’t really hard to find. If it comes to a point where we need another closer, we should have enough money by mid-season to go out and get one.
"A slick way to out-figure a person is to get him figuring you figure he's figuring you're figuring he'll figure you aren't really figuring what you want him to figure you figure." ~ Whitey Herzog
If we need another bullpen arm righty’s aren’t really hard to find.
I dunno, the remaining free agent crop’s surprisingly thin.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 29, 2010 8:16 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think we need Cabrera...
But we need someone that’s proven they can actually hit major-league pitching, out of the spots we have to fill. Our bench, or lack thereof, is making me nervous. Our “bench” was pathetic last year, and it looks like we’re content rollin into ST with what we have…again. Why?? Reed Johnson, Felipe Lopez, Rocco Baldelli, Joe Crede all make some form of sense for this club. Hell, I’d take Branyan too. He hit 31 homers last year.
"A slick way to out-figure a person is to get him figuring you figure he's figuring you're figuring he'll figure you aren't really figuring what you want him to figure you figure." ~ Whitey Herzog
by birdsonabat on Jan 28, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
I'd Take...
…the Flopster, as long as he doesn’t start much; I really like Baldelli, as long as he is healthy. Johnson can play CF, but I don’t find him to be particularly useful after that; Crede is a big injury question mark, I’d stay away from him; Branyan wants to be a starter, and he can really only start at first or DH.
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
Johnson can play CF
He’s done as a centrefielder. He’s a worse option than just running Luddy out there once a week.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 29, 2010 8:19 AM EST up reply actions
our bench was pathetic enough
that it was perhaps the worst bench in baseball. i imagine that’s not true, but i’m not going to think about it that much. anyway, a bench with thursty, k-bot, dunc….god, i can’t even go on. all roads in that direction lead inevitably to a stav infection.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Branyan's probably looking for more than we can give him
and Joe Crede is a terrible, terrible hitter. Reed Johnson can’t play centrefield and Allen Craig is probably a better hitter, so I don’t see the point in him, really. I like Lopez though, and I agree that Baldelli would be a nice pick-up if he’ll play for close to the minimum, though I think he might want $2m or so and he’d probably just stay on the east coast if he can’t get more than that.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 29, 2010 8:18 AM EST up reply actions
I think that Mitchell Boggs may be the closer of the future.
And I might not be the only one, at least according to Straussicorn:
Q.: Do you believe the Cardinals have a "plan B" concerning a closer? Franklin had problems down the stretch in ‘09. While Motte and Boggs seem to be the most frequently mentioned "plan B" names, I like Kyle McCllellan as a closer. Your thoughts?
Strauss: There is no obvious Plan B to close. McClellan may have a better chance to start than close this season. Pitching coach Dave Duncan has long believed McClellan could pull a Looper and transition. There is less enthusiasm for him landing in the ninth inning. True, McClellan is effective against lefthanded hitters. But there are questions about his ability to handle the unique pressure found in the ninth inning.
Motte began last season in the role, stumbled in the season opener and was quickly shuffled to middle relief. Boggs’ performance in relief last September intrigued many who thought his stuff improved with his velocity. Boggs’ inefficiency worked against him as a starter. However, he became much more aggressive when asked to secure three outs. I see the definition of his role as one of camp’s most intriguing questions.</blockquote>
“Boggs’ performance in relief last September intrigued many…” Who makes up “the many”? TLR? Duncan? Mo?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
He did an interview before the New Year, didn't he?
I believe he mentioned Boggs in relief.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
yeah
I really like that idea of Boggs as closer, I think we have been talking about it for a while now, makes a lot of sense to me.
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 28, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
I think we discussed this in length at VEB day
But my memory of that day is certainly less than crystal clear.
"I learned a long time ago if you keep checking your stats all year, you're going to end up in the toilet." - Chris Carpenter, 2009.
yeah
it certainly could have been one of the topics discussed! seems like a great idea to me
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 28, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
he closed in college
they moved him to a rotation spot after the draft, but he sure seems more comfortable and competent in relief
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
While Motte and Boggs seem to be the most frequently mentioned “plan B” names, I like Kyle McCllellan as a closer.
Joe Strauss is a fucking idiot. KMac is about the 8th best bullpen pitcher in this organisation at this moment in time….
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 29, 2010 8:20 AM EST up reply actions
I'm about to put a hole in my desk...
…from banging my head on it.
VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009
by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 29, 2010 9:39 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
here, use this placid unicorn instead.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
has Joe Strauss even watched a game in the last year and a half?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jan 29, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
That is actually a depressingly fair question
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
has he always been like this, or has someone in the orginization really pissed him off
I don’t remember him being such a grumpy SOB 2 or 3 years ago when he would appear on the FSM pre-and post-game shows.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
chone and marcel
both like him better than garcia
or any other pitchers currently in the system
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Jan 28, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Literally my 2 favorite authors died back to back
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 28, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
Catcher in the Rye is horribly overrated
When I want to be brained to death by unsubtle metaphors and societal critiques, I’ll give it (another) read and then go watch Avatar.
Think; It's not illegal yet.
Frannie and Zooey
Time for a new sig.
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 28, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
Better than Catcher, but it's pretty easy to out-grow it.
The short stories are his real masterpieces.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
the stories, "Franny", and "Raise High..." are all masterpieces
I loved “Franny and Zooey” in high school but now I think “Franny” is kind of hurt by its placement right next to “Zooey”, which is in late-Salinger wall-of-text mode.
You know,
I guess I went to a pretty provincial high school. We didn’t read anything by Salinger (‘course that was in the dark ages of the ’70’s, ‘though Catcher was already a “classic” by then, wasn’t it?) I don’t remember much of what we were required to read, but it was A LOT less than my daughters had to read when they went through (same school, BTW). I don’t know if I should feel cheated, or fortunate. I certainly don’t mind reading. I wish I had (made) more time for it now, but I tend to not venture much into “literature” but stick with Tom Clancy, history books, baseball, etc.
by ArkansasTravs on Jan 29, 2010 1:07 AM EST up reply actions
The Glass stories are pretty wonderful.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I enjoy Dan Brown from a page-turning perspective
and I think it’s become vogue to criticize him after the commercial success he’s had. That said, he’s not perfect and I’ve yet to read “The Lost Symbol” given the terribly formulaic approach he’s taken to subsequent stories and characterization.
Think; It's not illegal yet.
Reading it now...
Little less than halfway through. Starting to heat up. Good so far. I will keep ya posted.
"A slick way to out-figure a person is to get him figuring you figure he's figuring you're figuring he'll figure you aren't really figuring what you want him to figure you figure." ~ Whitey Herzog
I don't know why
but I just had a mental image of Will Ferrell’s debate in Old School
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Stephen King has had tons of commercial success.
Not even he gets the Dan Brown treatment.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
That was my point.
People aren’t criticizing his commercial success. They’re criticizing his commercial success while being a shitty writer.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
Plus he's really no good at writing
So there’s that.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
Ditto Stephanie Meyer.
"What's your favorite Chuck Palahniuk book?"
"I like the one about the alienated character who finds the socially unacceptable way of coping with modernity."
sorry, but this is incorrect
misconstruing the position of the author relative to his character is why most people dislike (and a lot of people like) catcher in the rye.
Being somewhat autobiographical doesn't
make it any less of a critique. It does make it self-indulgent.
Think; It's not illegal yet.
Boy, you're just a ray of sunshine, aren't you?
Make way for the Homo Superior.
by the red baron on Jan 28, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
i say he's a phoney
so there, buddy.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
this is only tangentially related but reminds me of this
Quagmire explains to Brian why he hates him
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
and for the record, i remember enjoying Catcher in the Rye
Although it was over 5 years ago when I read it so I don’t know how I’d react to it now. I do know I enjoyed Plainsong that semester more than I did Catcher in the Rye.
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
no, I'm saying the exact opposite—that it /isn't/ totally autobiographical
Salinger isn’t indulging the behavior of Holden Caulfield, he’s showing why it’s ultimately unmanageable. The story doesn’t end with Holden Caulfield being proven the Brilliant Defender of Small Children and The World, it ends with Holden in a mental institution, his sister having corrected his misinterpretation of the poem that gives the book its title. What I find most brilliant about Salinger’s use of Caulfield is that he’s able to manage three viewpoints—Holden in the action of the book, Holden retelling the story, and the author, plotting the book, showing that what he’s doing and believing isn’t sustainable.
Furthermore, having read the Da Vinci Code—way more self-indulgent. Which is to say Salinger, at least, doesn’t have his author-surrogate romance Audrey Tautou.
by DanUpBaby on Jan 28, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Exactly.
It’s amazing to me how many people mis-read that book.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
Salinger himself has said it's loosely autobiographical
And Holden’s mental decay isn’t a repudiation of the societal critique. The book is lauded for the supposed depth of its meaning but rarely receives the due criticism on the delivery of Holden Caufield the character. Whatever “deft” touch danup read was lost on me. I felt bludgeoned by the absurd delivery of adolescent thought and the overly long development of a limited set of actual ideas. It’s the equivalent of someone writing a book in today’s texting “language” about the trials and tribulations of a pre-teen.
I’ve not read his short stories so I can’t speak to the quality of his other work. And I know that I’m routinely on the opposite side of this argument with regards to The Catcher. I’ve had numerous protracted (often contentions) conversations with teachers and professors regarding the work.
Think; It's not illegal yet.
It was required reading in my last high school english class
and I read it twice in college (once by choice, once for a class).
Think; It's not illegal yet.
Yeah, you were probably already jaded by then.
I think if you haven’t read it by the time you’re 14, you don’t get the same attachment. That and you have no heart unless a diamond commercial is involved.
I read it every year or so. It’s never as good as it was in seventh grade.
by Mister Eff on Jan 28, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
My brother read it and high school and loves it.
He still tries to force me to read it every time I go home. Unfortunately because he is trying to shove it down my throat I have no chance to like that book.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
in seventh grade
I was reading Goosebumps and Animorphs. and those, to this day, remain the last books I’ve read by choice…I take that back…I read “It” in high school, and that was the last book I read by choice
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
and those were mainly to get points for free Pizza Hut
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
I remember that program!
Does that still exist? That was fantastic.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
You're GOB damn right!
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Um... Pizza hut is good.
And i read good books. I didn’t read those Goosebumbs things. I don’t remember what I read that counted but I read a lot when I was little.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Pizza hut is horrible....
New Domino’s actually kicks it’s ass now. After living in Chicago nothing beats Lou Malnotti’s or Girodonno’s…spelling is probably not correct on those. It’s been a while
"A slick way to out-figure a person is to get him figuring you figure he's figuring you're figuring he'll figure you aren't really figuring what you want him to figure you figure." ~ Whitey Herzog
ugh deep dish
pizza should not require silverware after it’s cut…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
just don't think of it as pizza then
although in my limited experience with giordono’s at least it can be eaten utensil free.
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
I've eaten deep dish without silverware too
It was one of the hardest things I’ve ever had to do. Ah the joys of eating pizza on the side of an interstate while working…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
The sauce is spicier now apparently.
It was too spicy for me before. There is no way I’m going to like the new Domino’s and do they put cheese in the crust? I don’t think so. Besides the real winner is Papa John’s. If I just want plain pizza I get Papa John’s. If I want cheese in my crust or breadsticks I get Pizza Hut. I don’t go anywhere near Domino’s.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Jan 29, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
And yes Giordano's is the best pizza ever.
But they don’t usually deliver to St. Louis or Clemson. And since I still like pizza I’m not just going to not eat it.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Jan 29, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
Papa Johns is and always has been an abomination
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
remember
we’re talking about adolescents here, not mom’s basement refined pizza taste
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
It's fast food pizza.
It’s obviously not quality but come on there is cheese in the crust! In the crust! Amazing. And the breadsticks are wonderful.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Plus I don't know if I'm technically still an adolescent.
I guess that may depend on your definition of adolescent.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
sorry
I was referring to the age of kids in the program and trying to make a clever reference to bloggers in their mom’s basements.
for the record, I like pizza hut, especially since they made every pizza $10 (+$1 for stuffed crust)
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
That's what I hate about Pizza Hut
the crust. Really that’s the one thing you can screw up in pizza so why people keep insisting on giving the world thick crust I’ll never understand.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
I'm okay with a decent sized handle,
but the crust shouldn’t be overly dense. Thick crusts from fast-food pizzerias are typically oily and dense.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
I just think the crust should be
no thicker than what is needed to hold the toppings together and keep them from falling out of your hands. Why fast food pizza or any pizza for that matter tries to go heavy with the crust I’ll never understand.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
The cheese is inside the crust!
Of course it’s going to be thick! There is cheese inside!
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Jan 28, 2010 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
haha
seems a bit of an overreaction
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Jan 28, 2010 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously. I won't eat that crust.
I won’t eat grilled cheese, either.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
gtfo!
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Jan 28, 2010 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
I don't like that bread-cheese
mush without something else – like pizza sauce – to break it up.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
now I have to go try a grilled cheese with
pizza sauce. Thanks for the idea
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jan 28, 2010 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
That does sound rather tasty...
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
It sounds freakin awesome
I don’t know how I keep my girlish figure with all this food you people make me eat.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jan 28, 2010 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
One of our fave dinners in my family
is to make grilled cheese sandwiches, with tomato soup for dunking the sandwich, and some sour cream to add to the soup. A Friday night special, we do it about once a month during the winter.
Time for a new sig.
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 28, 2010 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
I personally prefer my cheese where I can see it...
I don’t like unexpected gooey explosions.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Way too hesitant on the softballt here...
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
yeah but the implications of that one bothered me more than most
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
Eh you can blame me if problems arise...
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Putting f'ing cheese and other f'ing things in the crust of pizza
other than “pizza dough” is a crime that should be punished by repeated defenestration.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 29, 2010 8:27 AM EST up reply actions
I will stand below the window with a sword holding it straight up
Full agreement here.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
this pizza debate
should be settled for the sake of harmony in Albertofstan. maybe a poll over there?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I'm eating whatever pizza I want.
If Albertofstan doesn’t have Papa John’s or stuffed crust pizza, then it just isn’t as cool. Albertofstan should have all kinds of pizza so everyone can be happy.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
of course it should, clemsongirl
after all, pizzas are commonly called pies, and the moar pies the better. i think we should have a dinger pie – maybe that’s the supreme?
myself, i eat pizza about once a year, so i am no expert.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
What? Nobody's mentioned Imo's yet?
/ducking for cover (at least from some)
by ArkansasTravs on Jan 29, 2010 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
i miss six flags.
random tangent. phoenix has amazing weather 8-9 months out of the year, and TONS of space. where is my six flags?!
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
I'm not a big fan of Catcher.
And you should read Nine Stories. There’s a few stories in that collection I think you’d like.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
i scrolled by that picture real fast
And that it was a picture of JD on the left
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 28, 2010 9:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Give me five years
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 29, 2010 1:23 AM EST up reply actions
zomg.
got b00ted out of skool. every1 is phony. i jus wanna b a guy who saves kids all day.
"What's your favorite Chuck Palahniuk book?"
"I like the one about the alienated character who finds the socially unacceptable way of coping with modernity."
by hazel on Jan 28, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
part of the point of the book is that teenagers are self-absorbed assholes.
the book gets “spoiled” by people lauding it BECAUSE the teenage protagonist is a self-absorbed asshole, usually because they too are self-absorbed assholes and they wish the world were better at tolerating them being self-absorbed assholes.
if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus
by tom s. on Jan 28, 2010 6:24 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I think I understand Twilight now
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
no spoilers!
now I’ll never read it
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
If you want
I can type up about 15 pages and call it “The LOOGY in the Gin”
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 28, 2010 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
Hmmm... I just read the Catcher in the Rye last summer for English class
I don’t remember anything about him ending up in a mental institution. I gotta pay attention mroe in class.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 28, 2010 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
http://www.theonion.com/content/news/bunch_of_phonies_mourn_j_d
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 29, 2010 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
CitR blazed a trail
…for the modern American novel – and it was highly influential on an entire generation of writers. It might not be the Holy Grail of novels, but as American literature it ranks up there pretty highly.
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
You're a big Zinn guy?
Much respect on that one. my copy of People’s History is ridic dog-eared.
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
Proud Contributor to the Night of the Longest Train Wreck Ever 9/10-9/11/09
I am building a Murakami collection
Don’t you die on me, Haruki.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
bizarrely
this could mean there will be more jd salinger books available to the public
"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~
by YesWeOquendo on Jan 28, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
The coolest guy I share my name with
/pours one out
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 28, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
so did Zelda Rubinstein
the spirit chaser in Poltergeist
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 28, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
the guy who landed the plane in the Hudson?
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
by STLRegalia on Jan 28, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think you land planes in rivers
As much as crash them
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 28, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
tell that to Baloo
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
How cool would that have been?
J.D. Salinger’s return to public life comes in the form of heroically saving a planeload of people. Harper Lee, in a jealous rage, then goes on a shooting rampage from a roof while announcing she’ll soon have a sequel to To Kill A Mockingbird coming out. It’s written from the perspective of a vengeful mockingbird.
Make way for the Homo Superior.
by the red baron on Jan 28, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
And Flannery O'Connor will write a scathing account about the whole thing,
while tying it to religion, morality and hypocrisy.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
Hm
I kinda want Zombie Hemingway to make some short and declarative quip about Salinger’s mom and also tell O’Connor about how women shouldn’t be allowed to write because they can’t be rational. And then Zombie Fitzgerald will counter by telling everybody about Zombie Hemingway’s fish fetish.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jan 28, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
I think I read this story in "A Moveable Feast of Brains"
by DanUpBaby on Jan 28, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
that is the greatest comment I have ever read on this site.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 29, 2010 8:31 AM EST up reply actions
Smart-aleck literary referencing FTW
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Really, combining Hem and zombies (two of my favourite things) in witty rejoinder = win
for me, at least.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 29, 2010 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
Would Zombie Hemingway know the difference?
His brains have been rotting for decades.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
they're still preserved.
they were pickled in vivo by mr. hemingway.
the buckshot may have made a mess of them, though.
if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus
by tom s. on Jan 28, 2010 6:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I feel like Sylvia Plath should be in here somewhere.
Make way for the Homo Superior.
by the red baron on Jan 28, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
Perhaps.
I think I could get behind a little Frances Farmer/Sylvia Plath three-way action. A menage a Lit, if you will.
Make way for the Homo Superior.
by the red baron on Jan 28, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Arigato gozaimasu.
Make way for the Homo Superior.
by the red baron on Jan 28, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
you really had to google that?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Godzilla
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 28, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
No politics.
"What's your favorite Chuck Palahniuk book?"
"I like the one about the alienated character who finds the socially unacceptable way of coping with modernity."
you mean
Heaven has brick walls and St. Peter is a red bird.
by EinFesteBusch on Jan 28, 2010 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
When? There goes Sally in her butt twitcher
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
For those of us not in KMOX-land
is there an internet simulcast, or perhaps a later podcast. for your talk, DUB?
Time for a new sig.
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 28, 2010 1:54 PM EST reply actions
You can get two different KMOX streams via iTunes
if one doesn’t want to stream it via their website.
I've got literally 30 seconds
but eff, eff no. Jimmy, what the hell.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
WTF Jimmy
I fully expect him to play for the Astros next
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 28, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
best chance at PT?
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Jan 28, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
so the ownership of nooo....oo.com domains is kind of amusing
Clicking through them, all the ones with fewer o’s than above are owned, many of them by different people. The ones with more o’s are available if anyone is looking for some bystander traffic.
by brackenthebox on Jan 28, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
If he signs with the Crew...
Jimmy is dead to me. I forgave the Flubs. Cannot forgive the Crew as well. Just can’t do it.
"A slick way to out-figure a person is to get him figuring you figure he's figuring you're figuring he'll figure you aren't really figuring what you want him to figure you figure." ~ Whitey Herzog
why?
The guy is just looking for some work.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 28, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
Let me clarify...
He’s dead to me unless he goes into the Hall. It’s not like I can actually cheer for him while he’s on the Brewers. I hate the Brewers more than I hate the Cubs. Less than the Yanks though.
"A slick way to out-figure a person is to get him figuring you figure he's figuring you're figuring he'll figure you aren't really figuring what you want him to figure you figure." ~ Whitey Herzog
Does anyone even know if he's actually going to make the team?
He could have already had his last year.
"A slick way to out-figure a person is to get him figuring you figure he's figuring you're figuring he'll figure you aren't really figuring what you want him to figure you figure." ~ Whitey Herzog
well i hope he does
it’s not like he’s put on 50 lbs and laid on the couch for a year
i assume he’ll do okay
Yikes Jim.
Good pick up by the Brew Crew though. Probably not a smart move by Jimmy though. Wouldn’t you want one last chance for a playoff run? That won’t happen with Milwaukee’s pitching staff.
NorCal CARDS FAN
maybe he is just trying to put up some more numbers
So he has a better chance of making the HOF?
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 28, 2010 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
Good point
Joining an offense that already has Prince Fielder and Ryan Braun may be his best bet for doing so
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 28, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
True intention
Edmonds is joining the untuckers in hopes of promoting a comeback for the half shirt.
by ubeddie on Jan 28, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Are they the untuckers anymore?
Most likely not since it was tribute to Mike Cameron’s dad.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 28, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
their pitching is probably about average if everyone stays healthy
add in a bunch of good positional players and they could win 85-90 games with a bit of luck.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 29, 2010 8:34 AM EST up reply actions
Is he looking for post-season glory?
Or a chance to pad his stats for a HOF run? If the latter, it seems like a damn good plan to me. Watching Carlos Gomez bat would make one liable to forgive a lot of defensive sins out of Jimmy Ed in CF. And I don’t know that assuming poor defense is all that correct anyway.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 29, 2010 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
naive question
i was wondering, since our prospects are ranked so low and we already traded away what real talent we might have had last year, and our ‘pen being simply abysmal, if someone in the regular lineup gets hurt, we’re screwed. if we can’t hope for the bullpen to save our ass and we can’t bring anyone with a lick of promise from the minors up to fill in if needed, why would the FO leave these two huge holes – 3B and 5th SP and not just sign Smoltz to at least try to diminish the risk that an injury would ruin our season?
I don't think our pen is anywhere near abysmal
More like average. How is 3B a huge hole? I see multiple guys on the team that could play 3B. Freese, Craig, Gotay, Lugo if need such be. The starting pitching depth is something I worry about but their is still time to address that. I think we are currently looking at the team that we go into Spring Training with. But Moz also likes to sign guys in March. So I would say at this time, be patient.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 28, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
sure, but i really would like someone at third who's played it in the majors fo a while and is decent and knows what he's doing..
asking for too much?
if he can keep his shit together
i really like him but that little stunt this winter was not necessary
I personally have a lot of friends with DWI's
So I don’t really bash him for that.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 28, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
me neither, he didn't hurt anyone
but with spezio back in the day and tlr and now that crap around mac, this team can really use some positive publicity. cause when the media doesn’t have anything else to talk about, they’ll keep bringing this crap up
I've never understood this stance.
We need to sign a free agent who can play third base because we cannot rely on David Freese due to his DWI and the car accident he had last winter which resulted in an injury that he did not tell the organization about. What does any of that have to do with winning baseball games? Based on projections, the Plan A of Freese and Plan B of Craig will likely be better than—and, at worse, equal to—our third base offense and defense during the entire length of the 2009 season. I’m fine with having one of, or a mix of, Freese, Craig, and maybe Gottay fill the role.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
allegedly
lots of holes in her story if you ask me
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 29, 2010 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
if you always want a veteran over youth
You will be stuck with old dudes that can’t no longer play.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 28, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
fixed
You will be stuck with old dudes
that can’twho can no longer play.
Heaven has brick walls and St. Peter is a red bird.
by EinFesteBusch on Jan 28, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
I think I liked "can't no longer" actually.
I guess we just gotta go to war with the cards what we’ve been dealt to us.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
It has a kind of Tennessee Ford quality to it.
Heaven has brick walls and St. Peter is a red bird.
by EinFesteBusch on Jan 28, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
Speaking of Tennessee
I was thinking of naming my son Tennessee. My wife isn’t so sure since we don’t have any connection to Tennessee . I just like the idea of my son having a name that nobody will forget (which is hopefully a good thing).
Is this just wrong and unfair to my son?
NorCal CARDS FAN
Seinfeld reference.
But Tennessee Norlander? Don’t do that to your kid.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
That's exactly what she said. (Not TWSS)
I look at it like I’m doing him a favor, which is obviously up for debate. I’m a huge Seinfeld fan, I can’t believe I missed that.
NorCal CARDS FAN
My name is the British spelling of a common American name
it’s a big enough pain in the ass to deal with that. Take it from me, give the kid a normal name. You’ll be doing him a world of favors…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Is it Maurice
pronounced “Morris”?
Time for a new sig.
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 28, 2010 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
Not it's Geoff
pronounced Jeff. In a related story my parents also went with the British option for my middle name. Mind you they have lived their entire lives in Illinois and have no reason whatsoever to use British spellings. If it wasn’t so much paper work I’d change the spellings to the normal ones.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
I wanted to name my son Geoff
but two problems… 1) my wife thought it was dumb and 2) we never had a boy
by ArkansasTravs on Jan 29, 2010 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
It's really annoying
whenever I am telling people my name for paperwork or over the phone having to spell it. The best one was I went to buy Rose Bowl tickets a couple years back when Illinois went. I wandered up there and was 2nd in line and easily bought my tickets and wandered off. However, the local TV station had a camera out and asked to interview me so I said what the hell and did it. Afterwards they asked for my name so I told them and they asked for the spelling of my last name. Which is spelled just how it sounds and is a painfully boring and common last name, and didn’t ask about the first name. I didn’t make a point to correct the spelling of it. Got some calls from people that nite saying I was on TV and my name was misspelled. It was good times.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
She thought the name Geoff was dumb?
My brother’s name is Geoff. Geoffrey Chuacer? Geoff Courtnal? Hello not dumb.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Jan 29, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
Well, OK, maybe not "dumb"
but she didn’t like the “alternate” spelling. I guess there was a reason we never had a boy, we never could settle on a name for one. Not just anything “fits” with my one syllable last name. For instance, I kind of liked Mark but she said the two names together souneded like the name of a car.
by ArkansasTravs on Jan 29, 2010 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
I don't like Jeff.
But Geoff has character. And is correct IMO.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
I like Geoff better than Jeff.
But Jeff is better than Geof.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
Funnily enough,
I saw it last night on Ace of Cakes.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
I dunno, is that british?
What about Geoff Jenkins? Geoff Blum?
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 29, 2010 8:39 AM EST up reply actions
Geoff Chaucer!
"What's your favorite Chuck Palahniuk book?"
"I like the one about the alienated character who finds the socially unacceptable way of coping with modernity."
O, howe Ich despyse thet lothesoame Gower!
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Jan 29, 2010 9:30 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
At leaste summer is icumen in!
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 29, 2010 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
It's not British, it's correct.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Jan 29, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
Well my name is the most common spelling of a very common name.
BO-RING.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
my name is the american version
of a mexican name
That’s how I tell myself it isn’t a boring name.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jan 28, 2010 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
my name
is jesus translated from hebrew to aramaic (sp?) to english
or so my religious studies major friend tells me
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Jan 28, 2010 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
jesus?
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
jesus is the starting point
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Jan 28, 2010 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
You and my husband have the same name, I believe.
Also a very common name.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
it is a very common name
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Jan 28, 2010 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
Also, technically...
Jesus is a Hebrew name translated to Greek. So your name is (I’m guessing) Yeshua translated from Hebrew to Aramaic to English.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Really?
I didn’t think Crazystabbingperson was a common name… I guess you learn something knew every day.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
by ducttape16 on Jan 28, 2010 10:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Crazystabblingbloke
Is the British spelling.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
Are well named after our characteristics,
Stickyandusuallyassociatedwithrednecksrandomnnumber?
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
The number isn't random damnit.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Yes only sane people threaten to stab on a daily basis...
wait I joke about that all the time with my buddies… damnit. Don’t look at me… I SAID DON’T LOOK AT ME!!
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Yeah
but are you a Mantle fan? ’Cause that baby was named in honor of Mickey.
Time for a new sig.
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 28, 2010 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
i thought it was an andre 3000 reference.
if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus
oddly enough, i could really see that.
if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus
Actually, I heard that they named him Seven
because it can’t be divided. Big prime number fans, Eryka Badu and Andre 3000.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
i guess sending your kid to school as "one hundred and thirteen"
is too much to bear.
if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus
That's it
I’m naming my kid 2^(43,112,609) − 1
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 28, 2010 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
Never heard of her b4
but funny, I was watching part of the Cider House Rules this morning on one of the movie channels, and she’s in it. So, her other kids are Puma and Mars. Moonunit, Dweezil, move over.
Time for a new sig.
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 28, 2010 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
If you're really serious about naming him a number
You have to go with Six
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 28, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
Old memes FTW!!!!!!!!
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 28, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
But I'm in love with
Gwynneth, so I can deal with Apple. Lourdes or Rocco, tho, is another story.
Time for a new sig.
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 28, 2010 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
I'm of the opinion
that kids should not be named common nouns.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
So Walker is right out?
Time for a new sig.
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 28, 2010 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
If it's after the Chuck Norris character I'll allow it
Otherwise you’d need to come before the review panel.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
My daughter was named
for the famous photographer, Walker Evans, a St. Louis native, because I loved the photos he did for “Let Us Now Praise Famous Men”.
Time for a new sig.
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 28, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
Did you read Errol Morris' recent series of essays about those photos?
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
I had not.
I can access the first and last essays, don’t see an obvious way to read the other five.
Time for a new sig.
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 28, 2010 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
...
Here is the entire series. Part 1 at the bottom, and Part 7 at the top.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
Thanks.
Time for a new sig.
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 29, 2010 1:57 AM EST up reply actions
It's pretty interesting stuff. I hope you like it.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
Eh if it's a girl's name pretty much anything goes
for some reason it’s much easier to pass of a name as normal for a chick than for a dude at least in my opinion. Also if there’s a person someone is named after that is also different. I am the person who thinks Hendrix would be an awesome name…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
google "Chuck Norris"
than hit I am feeling lucky button
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 28, 2010 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
Lourdes is a common name among Spanish speaking people.
Lourdes’ dad is Cuban, I think. Rocco is an Italian name, and Madonna is of Italian descent.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
Guy Ritchie is Cuban?
Time for a new sig.
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 28, 2010 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
oic
Some guy named Carlos Leon, who, while a native new yorker, could be descended from cubans, i suppose.
Time for a new sig.
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 28, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
And with an Anglo name such as Carlos,
it’s SHOCKING to me that they named her Lourdes.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
?
I wasn’t being sarcastic, just noting the info.
Time for a new sig.
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 28, 2010 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
I'll agree that you have one
so do I. Mine used to be cute, now it’s 52. I’ll assume yours is cuter than mine.
Time for a new sig.
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 28, 2010 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, Lourdes and Rocco are perfectly fine names.
They are, in fact, actual names. Apple is a fruit.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I prefer ESPN...
And then pronouncing it Es-pin. All-time fav. Completely moronic.
"A slick way to out-figure a person is to get him figuring you figure he's figuring you're figuring he'll figure you aren't really figuring what you want him to figure you figure." ~ Whitey Herzog
name him reykjavik norlander
(excuse the spelling of his first name, as i presume it it incorrect). you can always call him ray.
anyway, i think it’s a cool name, but women are funny that way, so your wife will undoubtedly reject it, as my sisters did for every cool name i came up with for their kids.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Ehhhhhhh
Not my favorite, and I was born there (and half of my family lives there)
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 28, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think our pen is anywhere near abysmal
I think you’re really over-rating….. errrrm, well, I don’t even know who you’re over-rating. Our pen sucks.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 29, 2010 8:35 AM EST up reply actions
Oh, good. . .
another Mark Mulder update in the sidebar.
Seriously, is this a running joke for the rotoworld folks?
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 28, 2010 4:02 PM EST reply actions
Batpoop insane
Please watch your language
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 28, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
Guano Insane?
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Jan 28, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Murcielago shit?
Wait… I did that wrong.
by purple_haze on Jan 28, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Wow. You weren't kidding.
Astros finishing before the Brewers? Rays before Red Sox and Yankees?
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
Nats winning 82 games?!
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 28, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
I think they're kidding.
They’ll have a new one and be like “hahaha We got you!”
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Yeah, pretty much reverse of what I would expect this season
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 28, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
But the Rangers seem to be
everyone’s fave pick for 2010.
Time for a new sig.
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 28, 2010 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
except mine, i guess
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Jan 28, 2010 11:48 PM EST up reply actions
nice sig
wow, they really like the Rays! stranger things have happened I suppose….
heh, the Reds are picked ahead of the Cubs! also, Cards have best record in NL and Houston and Milwaukee tied, huh
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 28, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
How about the Yankees having the 3rd best record in baseball
And not making the playoffs
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 28, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
A lil bit
Although they have the Cardinals right about where I have them. The Rays are too high, IMO, and the Mets and Dodgers are too low, at first glance.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 28, 2010 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
Calm down everyone
These are just the initial projections. They don’t even have projections for Kiko Calero or Jaime Garcia out yet. They’ll get balanced out when they get tweaked a bit.
"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is ALBERT when I lay my vengeance upon thee." -The Bible
by Cardinals645 on Jan 28, 2010 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting...
Apparently they think we’ll have one of the best offenses in the league?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
DANUP!!!
MatthewHLeach
Appears that old friend Jason Simontacchi is starting tonight for Magallanes in the Venezuelan Winter League finals.
by Mister Eff on Jan 28, 2010 5:06 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
i got his autograph when i was younger
for some reason i was really excited for it too
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
Dan made a heck of a shirt, really.
by Mister Eff on Jan 28, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Is it too late to get one of these?
(maybe serious)
"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is ALBERT when I lay my vengeance upon thee." -The Bible
by Cardinals645 on Jan 28, 2010 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
Hmmm...
I want to get one, but nobody I know (in person) will get it…
And yet…Simontacchi…and his socks…hmm…
"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is ALBERT when I lay my vengeance upon thee." -The Bible
by Cardinals645 on Jan 29, 2010 3:02 AM EST up reply actions
You could always play it off as being a hipster
if someone asks about the shirt…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
this is the most surreal day I've had in recent memory
crazy
"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~
by YesWeOquendo on Jan 28, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
I saw the Simo-man pitch at Wrigley once
he did a good job
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 28, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
I almost saw him pitch in Wrigley...
the game was canceled.
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
the lame part is my seat was one of the ones that was partially obstructed by one of those concrete pillars
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 28, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
I made that mistake once as well...
Never again. I prefer the bleachers where all hell can break loose at any given moment. That, and you kinda feel scared the whole time you’re out there. Because any loud-mouthed-Cub-cheering-talkin-out-his-ass-can’t-spell-the-word-baseball-but-can-drink-his-ass-off-moron, would love nothing more than to say he punched a Cards fan in the bleachers. I’m usually roll with my Cub fan friends for protection. Still been tossed twice. But I’ve gotten people tossed twice for starting shit. So I guess you’d say me and the bleachers are even lol
"A slick way to out-figure a person is to get him figuring you figure he's figuring you're figuring he'll figure you aren't really figuring what you want him to figure you figure." ~ Whitey Herzog
could explain your opinion on simo's performance
zing! actually, i saw him pitch at wrigley once too. he did as well as i could expect. and my view was also partially obstructed, but by heavyset drunk cubs fans, not pillars.
the thing about Simontacchi is
he was the most bizarre pitcher of all the pitchers we saw come from bizarro land that year. i knew nothing about the minors at the time so all these guys were as obscure as professional cricket to me. And while I clearly and fondly remember Simo’s start against the Braves I think I remember Travis Smith getting a hit in Montreal despite the bat seeming too heavy for him even more fondly. if anyone could dig up video of that (yeah right) i’d be forever (or at least for tonight) in your debt.
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
Travis Smith
is my former co-worker’s cousin. and it was so weird because he never talked about how his cousin played baseball or anything. and then one day he came into work and he was like, “my cousin is pitching for your team now.” I tried so hard to get autographed shit, but, alas, ’twas to no avail. and then travis smith disappeared into oblivion like the rest of them….
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
Im gonna wander back on topic here
For some reason I really like Lance Lynn. However he strikes me as a guy who’ll be a better old pitcher than he ever was as a young pitcher. So lets just stash him in the minors till he’s 33 then presto instant 5th starter.
My hope is that
Lynn is the next Joe Blanton.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I basically see Lynn as PJ Walters
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
I (somewhat irrationally) really don't like him
well, maybe that’s wrong, I don’t dislike him, I just have a feeling he’s going to be very mediocre and in 4 or 5 years all our “Wellemeyer” and “Looper”-type jokes will be directed in his direction.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 29, 2010 8:50 AM EST up reply actions
Hey, if he produce Lohse-ian stats.
He can be very valuable. And for the record, I think he can pitch every bit as well as Suppan, Looper, Pineiro (Matthewson resurrection not counted), et al. That makes him a very valuable #4 for 6 years or so anyway.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
Yeah you're probably right
I did say I was a bit irrational about it. He does look fairly solid.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Feb 1, 2010 7:03 AM EST up reply actions
Hey Liam
what the hell happened to The Bernie Button?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Completely forgot about it
Here for now.
Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.
Thanks!
I lost the bookmark when the computer went haywire, and I have been looking in vain for it online.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
so I said to my boss at work today
I’ll bet you’ll be mad if Rich Hill does well this year for the Cardinals, and he said I fully expect him to win the Cy Young Award this year
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 28, 2010 5:55 PM EST reply actions
The Northside Baseball thread on the signing is quite amusing
Pure self deprecating pessimism there. Always.
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
Boog Powell
is one of el Hombre’s ZiPS comps. I like that Mike DeFelice is a comp for both ‘Stache and Matt Pagnozzi’s.
Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.
so, what the heck is memphis going to do with its pitching depth?
we have:
garcia or boggs (assuming one will be in the ML)
lynn
hearne
parisi?
zink
hill
maclane (recently resigned)
ottavino
walters
some will shift to the bullpen but the memphis bullpen already looks like:
onelli
salas
sanchez
samuel
parise (NOT PARISI)
norrick
kinney
meyer
scherer
i guess some of these guys could be bounced back to springfield, but there’s going to need to be some cuts or trades made with what looks like probably 18 pitchers lined up for memphis.
if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus
what if Garcia and Boggs are in the ML?
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 28, 2010 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
trade bait, injury backups, or free-for-all cage match
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
SUNDAY.......SUNDAY.......SUNDAY
Come down to Autozone Park…..its a CAGEMATCH….fight to the death…last 12 standing are your Memphis Redbirds pitching staff.
I would totally pay to see that.
* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.
special guest Jason Motte
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Knowing the city of Memphis
That would sell out in about five seconds
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 28, 2010 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
some of these former MLers and former prospects
on minor league contracts will disappear like Juan Gonzalez
I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps. | Cards on Cards
You can never have too much pitching?
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 28, 2010 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
i thought he was a music professor?
"It doesn't have to be terribly prolific! Just so that it isn't childish and silly." She reflected. "I prefer stories about squalor." J.D.S.
by tom s. on Jan 28, 2010 9:16 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
this is gonna be trouble
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jan 28, 2010 9:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That rhymes with BB, which stands for walk.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
by spants on Jan 28, 2010 10:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I thought he was a catcher/1B/LF
whatwhatwhat!
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 29, 2010 9:00 AM EST up reply actions
My thinking
presumably at least one or two will be injured come the start of the year, but I think otherwise, Garcia & Boggs are in StL (one in the rotation, one in the pen).
I think they might just cut Hearne or leave him in AA, he has no future in the major leagues. Likewise Hill. Zink sounds like he’s starting in the pen. So that leaves Lynn, Ottavino, MacLane, Walters and maybe Parisi in the rotation (I guess Zink or one of the other guys could slot in if there’s an injury or some other issue). Hawksworth is another option, as it’s by no means certain he sticks in StL.
I think Onelli will get cut, possibly guys like meyer and Scherer too, to round out the pen. I think there’s also chance we pick up another lefty along with Zink and Norrick as we carried 4 last year. I’m pretty certain Samuel will start in AA, he’s not really earned his way up to AAA yet and got bumped from the SF closer job last season. Salas & Kinney are likely the 7th-inning types, with Parise and Sanchez likely sharing the set-up/closer responsibilities.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 29, 2010 8:59 AM EST up reply actions
video of Tom Pagnozzi re: catchers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBTQJlHh_rA
so many fanshots, so little time
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I like how he didn't get all preachy about the steroids stuff.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
beer #2!
this is the most i’ve drank at one time in a long time
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
i know i'm practically david freese
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Jan 28, 2010 9:20 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
cmon
you guys know you’re jealous that i’m barbecuing in a tshirt and comfortable if a slightly warm
missourians!
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
I rocked a little italian dressing marinated chicken breast panfried with a feta cheese sauce
I <3 feta cheese
Not afraid to nitpick
I had burritos
with Cuban-style black beans, brown rice, corn salsa, and guacamole. I made everything but the tortillas. It was damn good.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
i am excited
making some Thai Curry Lamb tomorrow
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 28, 2010 11:38 PM EST up reply actions
i had a lean cuisine.
that sucks.
but i also have beer, which does not suck.
canceling out attempts to be healthy ftw.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
I refrained from having a g&t after dinner.
But then I had some chocolate, so I’m not sure I did myself any favors.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
i don't have a problem refraining from booze as long as I have
some Sam Wise Ganji
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 29, 2010 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
well, if you won't, i will.
/stab
"It doesn't have to be terribly prolific! Just so that it isn't childish and silly." She reflected. "I prefer stories about squalor." J.D.S.
65 today!
Gorgeous! A little windy but beautiful. Freezing Rain on Saturday though, ick.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Jan 28, 2010 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
I'm going to the gym without looking at the temp...
I’ll lose all motivation if I know how cold it is…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
That is correct
and I will not submit to your evil ways…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Going to and from the gym wasn't actually that bad.
Namely cause there was no wind. If there was wind I’d probably have killed someone…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
it's drizzling out
and i’m gonna go for a walk to maintain my routine
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Jan 28, 2010 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
since we were talking iPad yesterday
Mark Cuban on the iPad and its potential impact.
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
There are times wehn Cuban is an idiot
and this is one of them.
When he does his job to the effect of being able to afford 2 franchises.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
I can't blame him
Who the hell is going to critique him for it. He doesn’t have a care in the world.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
i don't see how that's a reason to be an idiot
i happen to like the way cuban voices his opinion to the nba, but his antics beyond that annoy me.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
It's not a reason
But it’s a reason to be free-voiced. I do like his voice as well. Considering most of the owners are tight-asses, it is very refreshing.
However, his antics are annoying for that reason. He has no reason to be conserved. I don’t know about you, but I am certainly jealous of him, and i wish I could go around without cares in the world.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
i'm not sure i'd make it so obvious
to everyone that i hadn’t a care in the world – probably what pisses most people off is exactly that demeanor.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Oh, he's got a hell of an ego
And deservedly so. You prove my point. He isn’t bound by anyone to look good for, so he says to hell with the public (I wouldn’t do this either, just my hypothesis on his personality)
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
i'm with you
on the surface, the other extreme, i’m supposing, would be salinger
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Hehe
So true
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
i wonder what he was worth
if it was more than holliday’s contract?
and what the estate will be worth once the kids get done licensing (and perhaps selling manuscripts?) – move over, elvis!
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
just read your sig
i think steven wright knows of george carlin: when i die, i’m going to donate my body to science…fiction.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Hehe
Haven’t listened to much Steven Wright, but he is pretty funny.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
abracadabra
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I know Edmonds is looking for playing time
but it kinda pisses me off that the Cardinals didn’t offer him the exact same opportunity the Brewers did.
If he made the team, the Cardinals would be out $875k. If they didn’t want to give him that, then just CUT HIM BEFORE MARCH 25th.
GRRRR.
by Hardcore Legend on Jan 29, 2010 1:44 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
yeah, sucks.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 29, 2010 9:01 AM EST up reply actions
I sometimes worry that Albert Pujols will get injured
and then Cardinal fans will spend the next decade pining over imaginary “what could have beens”. Injury is a facet of the game as much as swinging the bat or fielding the ball. It will drive me bonkers if Cardinal fans whine like this a decade after Albert was last a good player.
Think; It's not illegal yet.
Did Junior die and I missed it?
Does he have any literary work I could pan or music I could express my dislike of?
Think; It's not illegal yet.
by azruavatar on Jan 29, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not drawing a direct parallel
I just don’t want to hear whining about any record (HR comes to mind immediately) that Albert could have broken if he had been healthy.
Think; It's not illegal yet.
What does the home run record have to do with anything?
The only record that matters is games played without a World Series appearance, and it’s a crime that Griffey doesn’t hold it. What a sham my life is.
OK Graham
Just pretend I didn’t link to the LL post.
I sometimes worry that Albert Pujols will get injured and then Cardinal fans will spend the next decade pining over imaginary "what could have beens". Injury is a facet of the game as much as swinging the bat or fielding the ball. It will drive me bonkers if Cardinal fans whine like this a decade after Albert was last a good player.
We good now? I think I was misreading the intent of your post but, separate and regardless of that, I stand by the above.
Think; It's not illegal yet.
If Griffey had gone ahead and done the roids he could have set that record.
Though I think it would be doubly ironic to find out that someone as injury prone as Griffey was shooting up.
Think; It's not illegal yet.
I'm pretty sure the cardinals "what could have been"
starts with Ankiel. It was in the Maple Street Cardinals Annual last year if I recall correctly
by brackenthebox on Jan 29, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Yep. This is the truth.
We were just discussing how Rick’s pitching meltdown ruined the Cardinals pitching plans for the last 10 years.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
+1
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I thought I made this comment about PJ Walters and didn't
It’s gratifying that Little Red Riding Peej is catching on, because he always seems to be thrown to the wolves. In the majors and minors. I have little to back it up, though, because I couldn’t watch after the second slaughter.
poor little red riding peej.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
As an aside.
I had a discussion with a friend about the worst Cardinal hitters of all time. If this needs to be fanpost worthy, let me know.
My vote was for Mike Gallego. Dude hit .210 in 143 AB’s in 1996. He had 2 doubles, no hr’s and slugged .226.
He followed that campaign with an even more impressive 1997, where he hit .163 while slugging .209 and had a .178 obp.
The dude had an OPS on 1996 of .499. Has any Cardinal position player ever OPS’d under .500 with more than 100 plate apperances? FYI, 1997’s OPS was .387, but he only had 43 AB’s
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
And to add to the level of suck
he had the range of a fire hydrant at 2B.
SAT-wise, Mike Gallego was to Mark McGwire as Ronnie Belliard was to Albert Pujols
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 29, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
dal maxvill.
this is the correct answer.
"It doesn't have to be terribly prolific! Just so that it isn't childish and silly." She reflected. "I prefer stories about squalor." J.D.S.
it was fun while it lasted
so long Eff
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jan 29, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
I had a pretty awesome dream last night
The Cardinals made it to the playoffs and they were playing the Dodgers at Dodgers Stadium. I got their right before the 1st inning and their was only about 500 people in the stadium. The Dodgers fan’s had not shown up yet. But their was drunk girls flashing everyone at the stadium. Joel Pineiro was pitching and gave up like 12 runs in the 1st inning but I was so amused by the boobs it didn’t bother me. Then I realized I was sitting next to Michael Cera. I was teaching him how to look at boobs without getting caught. Than I woke up.
so you were saying there were beach balls?
I would put that on the Dodgers fans.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
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