The NL Central Offseason Revue Pt. 5: Blue Steel Buccaneers
I'm writing this Monday night, as I'll likely be indisposed on Wednesday. Hopefully the Pirates don't make any huge trades or signings before then.
You know what I would do if I had, like, a billion dollars? I would commission a remake of the movie "Toys". Just one of the worst movies I've ever seen (though only about the seventh or eighth worst movie Robin Williams has ever made), but I really like it. And it had such promise. I picture my version as something like a really sad combination of "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory", "Finding Neverland", and "Metropolis". I'm fairly certain everyone but me would hate it, but I'm willing to take that chance. Unfortunately, my bank statement shows a balance slightly less than a billion dollars at the moment, so my dreams of celluloid glory are on hold for now. However, if anyone reading this blog has $100 million they would like to do something really stupid with, I could probably have you a script before summer.
Oh, and I would also do two chicks at the same time.
Let's take a look at the final team in the NL Central, shall we?
Pittsburgh Pirates 2009 Record: 62-99, 28.5 games out of first
Pythagorean Record: 67-94 (636 runs scored, 768 runs allowed)
The Pittsburgh Pirates are a bad baseball team. There's really no way around it. Dress it up however you like, it's still a bad baseball team. They nearly lost 100 games last year, and that Pythagorean record shows it wasn't a fluke. Sure, they were probably more of a mid- than high-90s loss team in actuality, but that's not an argument you can really win, regardless of the outcome.
I already covered one of Pittsburgh's moves this offseason, that of trading for Akinori Iwamura from Tampa Bay, and it actually taught me one of the most valuable lessons I've learned as a professional writer. The lesson is this: when you don't know much about a subject, do your research before you write about it. When a trade happens, if you only have half an hour before you have to leave your house and computer, do not, under any circumstances, try to just wing it and get a quick piece up in order to be timely. The news will still be there when you get home, and you won't look like a complete horse's ass for forgetting Jack Wilson was traded to the Mariners. Accuracy is preferable to immediacy. (A related lesson can be found in the Cubs' version of this series, when I mistakenly listed Derrek Lee as a player who underperformed last season as a result of hurried rearranging of sentences and not proofreading properly.)
Offense
After so many years of hearing how the Pittsburgh Pitching Revolution would not be televised (or, at least, it wouldn't be watched if it was), it was the offense that provided most of the excitement in Privateer country in 2009. Well, perhaps excitement is stretching it a bit; this is a team which managed to score less than 650 runs, after all. But pieces of the offense most definitely did make some noise. The noisiest? Andrew McCutchen, of course. McCutchen looks like an emerging star after a rookie season in which he essentially looked a lot like what we were all hoping Colby Rasmus would be. Great speed, great defense, and a 122 OPS+ as a 22 year old. What's not to like?
As for the rest of the Pirate offense, it's pretty much up in the air, quite honestly. The club traded away Nate McClouth, their best offensive player, at mid-season. Also moved was Freddy Sanchez, their All-Star second baseman. With two of their more imposing offensive forces no longer in the lineup, the Pirates struggled mightily to figure out where the run production was going to come from. Formerly imposing Ryan Doumit slumped to a .299 OBP, short-circuiting what was becoming an intriguing career. There is reason to believe, though, he could bounce back with a fully healthy 2010 campaign.
To address that concern in 2010, the Pirates have a few options. McCutchen will be on board for a full season, which will be a huge boon. Iwamura won't likely be a huge upgrade over Freddy Sanchez, but he should provide a solid piece for whatever puzzle the Pirates are constructing this season. In addition to the hoped-for improvement from Doumit, the Pirates will also have another option at catcher in Jeff Clement, acquired from the Seattle Mariners. Clement has never quite lived up to the lofty expectations he carried with him early in his minor league career, but he's still young and has a ton of power potential if nothing else.
The presence of Clement could also set up an interesting choice for Pittsburgh at first base, as they have Pedro Alvarez, one of the top prospects in all of baseball, very nearly ready to make a splash at the big league level. Clement has never been much of a catcher, but doesn't project to move anywhere but first.
And really, that's sort of the story for the Pirates in 2010. They have a bunch of young players, but nearly every one of them has questions.
Garrett Jones put up a .938 OPS in a half season's worth of playing time, but he's also a 29 year old former prospect who's drifted around the minors for a long time. He could be Ryan Ludwick, of course, but guys who play their rookie season close to 30 aren't always a great bet going forward. Jones also has positional questions, though what I've seen of him he looks just fine in the outfield. I am, however, basing that on seeing him catch about five fly balls.
Andy LaRoche is a former super prospect in the Dodgers' farm system who has found the major leagues rough going. His glove is still plenty solid, but his bat just hasn't ever developed as it was expected to. Overall, he's probably about league average, combining a 95 OPS+ with a glove that was worth a little over 5 runs by UZR in 2009. Certainly a useful player, but nothing earth-shattering. (Interestingly, +/- has him pegged as exactly a 5 run fielder as well; I believe it's the first time I've ever seen UZR and +/- have the exact same value for a player.)
Alvarez, as I mentioned before, has one of the best bats in the minors, but comes with a positional question. He plays third now, but he plays third sort of like Brett Wallace played third: as a short-term solution, at best. The path of least resistance would be to move Alvarez to first and leave LaRoche at third base, but it's tough to say what the Pirates will do. They could certainly send him down to the minors for just a little while and hold off free agency a season longer, much as the Rays did with Evan Longoria. Regardless, when Alvarez is ready, he'll probably move whoever is ahead of him.
Lastings Milledge is another former big time prospect, but remains better known for sexual assault allegations and bad rap music than anything he's done on the field.
Steven Pearce looked like a world-beater just a couple years ago, but has stagnated since. He also suffers from the same positional affliction as several other players, but a more virulent strain. Call it Mark Hamilton Syndrome.
The long and short of it is this: the Pirates have a fair number of interesting players, all of them with warts, and it's really impossible at the moment to see how they're going to fit together. First and foremost will likely be a decision on Alvarez. If he's in the majors, he's likely the everyday first baseman. If - and I think this is more likely - he's sent to the minors to begin the season, first base will probably be filled by a combination of several players until Alvarez is ready. Of course, they could also put him at third base, in which case LaRoche would become movable. (And worth checking into, in my ever so humble.)
There is one other really intriguing storyline to consider, and that's the role of Bobby Crosby on this team. A former rising star for Oakland early in his career, Crosby has since seen injuries and poor play derail his personal train. There isn't really a ton of competition for the shortstop spot, so Crosby could easily win the lion's share of playing time. I'm not projecting a career renaissance or anything, but I will be interested to see if Crosby can recapture any of his sparkle.
The most important thing to remember about the Pittsburgh Pirates' offense in 2010 is this: we won't have to play against Nyjer Morgan.
Starting Pitching
How many years has it been now since we first started hearing about the young pitching revolution of the Pirates? A decade? Longer? Well, okay, so probably just since about 2005 or so, when Zach Duke burst onto the scene and proceeded to make people who talk about peripherals look really dumb for about three months and then really smart for the ensuing four years.
Well, I'm here to tell you this: the revolution is not coming. What we've seen from the young turks of the Pirate staff is pretty much what we are going to see as they become veteran turks, middle-aged turks, and finally old turks.
I will say this: the Pirate rotation should be fairly decent this year. Not great, not terrifying, but decent. Paul Maholm and Ross Ohlendorf are both plenty good, and I think Duke will prove to be a reliably league-averagish pitcher going forward. None of the three are really the sort of pitcher you want to see at the top of a rotation, but all three should provide plenty of innings at a reasonable level. Ohlendorf has the least track record of the three, but his superior stuff gives him a chance to be a tick better than either of the lefties, I believe.
One really intriguing storyline to watch this year as the Pirates fill out their rotation is what they decided to do with Brad Lincoln. A top pick in 2006, Lincoln's career hit a snag when Tommy John surgery forced him to miss all of 2007, but he pitched fairly well at two levels in 2008 as he came back, and really started to put himself back on the prospect map last year with a very strong Double A showing. He moved up to Triple A and his numbers took a hit, but Lincoln still looks like a very viable rotation option sometime in the 2010 season. Lincoln probably has better stuff than any of the Pirates' incumbents, with the possible exception of Ohlendorf (though I think Lincoln's breaking stuff is a bit better), and he has the potential to actually pitch toward the front of a major league rotation. Maybe not an ace, but a #2 ceiling guy. (Then again, maybe he isn't that much different from Ohlendorf...) He would probably be better served with a half season more in the minors, but if there's one thing the Pirates have proven, it's that there's no pitching prospect they won't rush.
As for the back end of the rotation, the Pirates will employ a variety of pitchers to fill in the last spot(s). Guys like Charlie Morton, Kevin Hart, and maybe Bryan Morris will all get some innings, as well as any other NRI type guys Pittsburgh may bring in for spring training. There isn't a whole lot to like about this group, but then again, it is the 5th starter spot we're talking about.
Bullpen
I do think if the Pirates are going to have a chance of even approaching .500 this year (and I'm not saying they are, but I'm also not saying they aren't), it will likely be thanks to an improved bullpen from years past. There are actually some useful arms here, starting at the top with Octavio Dotel closing games. I've been a fan of Dotel since his salad days in Houston, and thought he would have made a fine addition to the Cardinals this season as a back-end reliever. (See, I'm trying to avoid the C word when speaking about our own team.) Dotel's health is always a question, but when he's able to take the mound, he's nasty. He should certainly represent an upgrade over the 2009 version of Matt Capps. Evan Meek showed a strong arm capable of getting a strikeout when needed. The Pirates brought in 39 year old Brendan Donnelly, who actually threw quite well for the Florida Marlins in limited duty last year. I don't expect much from him, but he should still be useful in a Russ Springery sort of way.
One of the more intriguing names in the Pirate bullpen could be Craig Hansen, the former Boston farmhand who was supposed to be Daniel Bard before Bard was. Hansen struggled with the transition to the majors and declining stuff until he was diagnosed last year with a nerve disorder that had weakened his trapezius muscle. There's no clear timetable for a return, but if he can come back in 2010 and is actually healthy, Hansen could be a wild card.
I honestly don't know enough about the Pittsburgh farm system to speak to whether there is any significant bullpen help on the way any time soon, so I'll refrain from speculating. Daniel Moskos is hanging around somewhere being developed as a starter, but I don't think that was going very well last I checked. Maybe he moves back to relief? I do know Donal Veal, the former Cubs' prospect, put together a very nice performance in the Arizona Fall League, showing signs of regaining some of his prospect lustre, but I don't know if the Pirates view him as a starter, reliever, bird, hare, or fish.
Offseason Priorities
The Pirates are really a tough team to pin down to priorities for the offseason because so much of their team seems up in the air. The rotation is mostly set, with three solid starters and one solid prospect due to show up sometime this year, but the offense could end up with several different looks, depending on how certain moves shake out. As I said earlier, what the Pirates choose to do with Pedro Alvarez will likely make a huge impact on the rest of the team. The bullpen should be solid, I believe, and won't cost Pittsburgh many games. The Pirates did make a move to address one of their more glaring weaknesses, that of a stopper for the ends of games, but the question still remains: how valuable is a good closer if you don't give him leads to hold?
The Bottom Line
Pittsburgh is a team largely in flux, and extraordinarily hard to get a read on. That being said, they do have two of the more exciting young offensive talents in all of baseball (McCutchen and Alvarez), and both should be taking the field at PNC together sometime this season. They have a rotation that shouldn't kill them and a bullpen that should hold together. There's a ton of competition for a bunch of open spots, but at least there are some talented players to take part in those competitions.
Will this be the year the Pirates finally break their string of sub-.500 seasons? I'm going to say no. Give it one more year; they'll be pretty good in 2011, I think. But I also don't think they'll approach 100 losses again this year. There's too much talent on this team for them to be as bad as they were last year.
Then again, we are talking about the Pittsburgh Pirates, so all bets are off.
The Baron's Playlist for the 27th of January, 2010 - Covers to Learn and Sing
In honour of the recent late night cover song conversation.
"The Killing Moon" - Pavement
"Earth Angel" - Death Cab for Cutie
"For All we Know" - Bettie Serveert
"Don't Stop Believin'" - Petra Hayden
"Heartbreak Hotel" - John Cale
"Jealous Guy" - Roxy Music
"Jolene" - the White Stripes
"Rocket Man" - Kate Bush
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There was a moment last night...
…. when she was sandwiched between the two Finnish dwarves and the Maori tribesmen, where I thought, “Wow, I could really spend the rest of my life with this woman”.
Bird is the word.
Classic.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Jan 27, 2010 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
we have a couple of corporate consultants at
Work right now. I call them ‘the Bobs’ to their face even and the cool thing is they get it.
by ADMDrayson on Jan 27, 2010 9:08 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
i dont think you'll find a better write up for the pirates than you have right here
well done RB
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Just because we have chiseled abs and stunning features....
….it doesn’t mean that we too can’t not die in a freak gasoline fight accident.
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Are you going to tell me what a bad ugogglizer I am?
Or did you think I was so stupid I didn’t know what a ugoogley was?
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
ohh i get it now. zoolander. never saw that one either
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Get off my thread.
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I had no idea what was going on either.
Never saw Zoolander. Stiller makes me sad.
by peach concrete on Jan 27, 2010 1:15 AM EST up reply actions
i almost dropped in the line
“we should mate, i said we should date” from dodgeball, but thought better of it. that’s the last movie i saw in theaters btw. i have no idea why i just said that
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
whoa, that's a long time to go without seeing a movie in the theater
by peach concrete on Jan 27, 2010 3:37 AM EST up reply actions
a long time between drinks
as salinger might say.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
an all-time great salinger line
I can tell he’s making me hate lane, and I watch him do it, and I still believe it.
do you recall anyone else
before or after, who says “not seldom”?
and, ever read “Hapworth…”?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I have forced myself through hapworth
the rest of his uncollected work is a real treat (I especially love “Last Day of the Last Furlough”, “A Girl I Knew”, and “A Young Girl in 1941 with No Waist at All”) so I guess I owed him that one.
And the only people I’ve ever met who talk at all like Salinger characters are people who read “Zooey” at an impressionable age. I still have to restrain, on a regular basis, the urge to address people as “buddy.”
i share your sentiments on hapworth
and the rest of his uncollected work.
am presently re-reading “the clown” by heinrich boll. otherwise, i’m unfamiliar with his work, other than it garnered him the nobel in 1972, according to the cover. “the clown” is reminiscent of camus’ “la chute”, or “the fall” in english.
apologies for this OT, but books, broads, and baseball seem to go hand-in-hand to me.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I'm not your buddy, pal.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 28, 2010 4:27 AM EST up reply actions
when did that come out? it's been so long i can't even remember
damn dude, that’s pathetic
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
You have no idea how bad it hurts me.
I cannot see 3-d because my right eye doesn’t work so well. I am so left-eye dominant that I simply don’t register the other color in the glasses. It sucks.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
You have poor stereoscopic vision. That sucks.
Mine isn’t as good as it used to be, and my eyes are just slightly worse than 20/20. I used to have better than 20/20 and there is a major difference in my stereoscopic vision.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
My vision has always been money
And consequently my sense of space. Playing baseball, I always had great strikezone judgment……it’s unfortunate Moneyball didn’t come out till 2003. Hell, that’s half of why I took to the saber stuff to begin with, I was good at the stuff they said was undervalued at the time!
Not afraid to nitpick
It was great when I hustled pool and played softball.
I can definitely tell a difference when I’m in the cages now.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
Yeah, I had lazy-eye as a kid.
I have very poor depth perception in general. I was not ever even a fair baseball player, much less a good one. I am also a terrible putter, though just sheer repetition helped that a lot.
But I can’t hit any pitcher that can change speeds effectively.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
Baseball was always my worst sport
I just was not a very good hitter. I was always better at sports that relied more on strength and endurance. Such as Wrestling, football, and boxing.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 27, 2010 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
My husband is the same.
On the other hand, I was more of a hand-eye athlete. Losing that edge with my vision really messed me up.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
Putting is all feel anyway
Which, of course, comes with repetition
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 27, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
you can get in big trouble for that
well not you. me, yeah i can get in a lot of trouble
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
I have an estigmatism.
And I can’t see 3-D at all, not on the page or on the screen. It’s really disappointing.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I've always had a very dominant eye (I actually can't remember without covering them both which one it is - ah, right!)
yet I’ve always been pretty good at pool (less so now I don’t practice or play in a league, which I used to as a student). I know, however, when I’m playing a dead straight shot that I have to aim off-centre on the object ball. It takes me 2 or 3 racks before I’ve got it right again, to get used to the mental “adjustment” I need to make, especially if it’s been a while since I’ve played. It’s weird. I guess I could never be a real top player with that affliction!
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 28, 2010 4:30 AM EST up reply actions
actually i'm not sure
have you tried all kinds of 3d glasses – red and green, polarized and blue and orange?
No I haven't.
I was only aware of the red and green ones.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
Red and green? I think I've only seen red and blue.
Besides they grey lensed glasses.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
of course red and blue
that’s what happens when you have no edit option
i was watching sth on german tv about ppl compaining of headaches in avatar and they said close one of your eyes and you’ll still be able to see the movie. they didn’t say though, they meant you’ll then see it in 2d.
apparently, with a left dominant eye you can’t see 3d if it’s severe and your head might hurt if it’s mild. but depending on severity, i’d still try all 3d glasses i can get my hands on, switch left and right, try around, i’m no expert but who knows
@Eckstreem i have a pair of grey lens glasses i can give you, maybe next time you’re at the theater sneak into a 3d movie for a minute and give them a try
do i have to?
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
yes you have to, moran
constant basement dwelling will make you start molding
try and go out and air yourself out a little, see a movie
I have no words to describe my disappointment.
Also: I’m not an ambiturner!
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
I did it!!!
I turned left!
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MAGNUM!!!
THERE IT IS, BABY!
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One more then I'm done I swear:
I’d have to your question with another question: How many abodiginals do you see modeling?
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Have you ever wondered if there's more to life than being really, really, ridiculously good-looking?
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
Jason wonder the same
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
What would you do with a million dollars Jason?

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
he could even fly there to buy it
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
If I had a million dollars
I’d buy an exotic pet – like a llama, or an emu.
If I had a million dollars
I’d buy me some art – a Picasso or a Garfunkel?
Love the Bare Naked Ladies!
SD
not a real tin of dip, that's cruel
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 27, 2010 9:21 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i've been looking everywhere for that
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
i'd buy you a house
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
I think if I had a million dollars I could hook that up
’Cause chicks dig dudes with money.
by Andyfantastic on Jan 27, 2010 2:05 AM EST up reply actions
They'd have to be the kinda chicks that would double up on a guy like me
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 27, 2010 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
Probably deaf wouldn't be a bad thing either
Maybe even brain dead
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 27, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe even dead?
aaaaand this is a whole new can of worms…
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 28, 2010 4:31 AM EST up reply actions
and you two somehow tied in getting the reference
so well done to you too sir
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
i was looking for that
and am not disappointed.
i sure does love the office space
"Chuck Norris CAN divide by zero"
Hey, Red Baron, man, check out channel 9, it's the breast exam!
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
peter, you know what I'd do?
I’d do 2 chicks at the same time.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
not sure how to look this up
but what is the Cardinals record vs the Pirates over the last 2 seasons?
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 27, 2010 1:54 AM EST reply actions
I'm still trying to figure out if Adam Wainwright has respiratory problems
playing in their ballpark
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Why would you struggle with breathing in The Glass Toilet?
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For those who don't get.... Glass Toilet = PNC
…= Pee and See
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nice
I dunno, he just struggles there, and I’ve noticed his breathing gets labored. I can’t tell if it’s significant or not, because he’s still in SSS territory — but more footage from those games would help.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
i've watched games there
don’t recall having respiratory problems. in fact, an excellent park.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
well, it could be specific to Adam
like allergies. the other starters seem to be consistent(ly bad or good) in PNC.
but that’s just the eyeball test – it needs to be backed up with more.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
What would you guys rather read next sunday?
A Pitch f/x of Penny, or a review of the sabermetric articles and research of 2009?
Penny
I’ve been a fan of the guy ever since he started the All-Star game and decided to just throw every pitch as hard as he fucking could…. and K’d the side.
by Andyfantastic on Jan 27, 2010 2:04 AM EST up reply actions
got any good brownie recipes?
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
i had some great brownies this past weekend
but probably not sbn appropriate
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
i can't remember the last time i had a good brownie
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
we HAD these epic fucking snickers brownies at work
…“had”
:-(
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
ya i'm all about baking.
I’ll put in a tray of brownies on my next blockbuster night lol.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
Nice
I’m gonna make that.
Brownie mix brownies are awesome, but I keep looking for an easy recipe I can make at home when we get the urge for chocolate brownies.
If you are looking
for inspiration try http://thisiswhyyourefat.com/
Some of the pictures are awe-inspiring.
ahh, the bacon & chicken narwhal...
truly my favorite mythical creature!
Albertofstan.
F* Yeah!
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Jan 27, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
I made this recipe a few months ago.
They’re not as good as my fancy-pants, high-end chocolate, super fudgy brownies. But they’re damn good.
Katharine Hepburn’s brownie recipe.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
Hmmmm
Damn them and their chocolate squares instead of cocoa. I might try it anyway.
Just google chocolate substitutions.
Usually cocoa and oil, I think.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
i must have those
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
penny
His curveball!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 27, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Penny
Though the other one sounds dandy and would be a nice bit for the following week.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
you people all know we are not getting a Penny pitch f/x article
the jerk is just pulling our chain with this “Penny pitch f/x?”
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
if he starts wispering in my ear, so help me GOB's,,
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Umm, Penny.
I have also been a fan of him since the All-Star game. More of bro-mance actually. That was sick. Btw, Federer is getting worked right now. Davydenko is playing out of his mind.
"A slick way to out-figure a person is to get him figuring you figure he's figuring you're figuring he'll figure you aren't really figuring what you want him to figure you figure." ~ Whitey Herzog
Maybe worked is nonger accurate...
He just broke it even in the 2nd set. Losing, yes.
"A slick way to out-figure a person is to get him figuring you figure he's figuring you're figuring he'll figure you aren't really figuring what you want him to figure you figure." ~ Whitey Herzog
K. I have to post again before someone else does...
Federer is now working Davydenko lol. 12 straight games won. Bedtime
"A slick way to out-figure a person is to get him figuring you figure he's figuring you're figuring he'll figure you aren't really figuring what you want him to figure you figure." ~ Whitey Herzog
Anyone else remember my Voltron analogy?
Make way for the Homo Superior.
by the red baron on Jan 27, 2010 3:29 AM EST up reply actions
Voltron was probably my favorite cartoon growing up
I had this huge remote control Voltron robot
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 27, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
I so wanted the full lions
I found out later that my cousin had sold his. I would’ve bought it off him if I’d known.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
my cousin had the big metal one, it was so freaking awesome
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
davydenko bet on federer
was like, “WTF?!”
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Nice Writeup
One song you missed on your covers list is Snow Patrol’s version of Beyonce’s Crazy in Love. Which is just awesome in so many ways and waaaayy better than the original.
Or Richard Thompson's cover
of Britney Spears’ “Oops! I Did It Again”
Time for a new sig.
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 27, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
Wow
someone else who likes Richard Thompson. I am faintly astounded!
FWIW, I know RB is a fan of “Shoot Out The Lights” (which I actually think is good, but mildly over-rated in his canon) but hasn’t heard a lot else. He’s a fantastic interpreter of other songs and styles, though, perhaps the best around. His “1000 years of poular music” set is pretty incredible. I know of no-one else who can go from cantatas, to hymnals, music hall, medieval styles, opera, blues, folk and pop so impressively.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 27, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
RT is da man
seems like we had a RT lovefest a while back, with many of us swooning over ’52 black vincent
youneverknow
Yeah, I really like most of what I've heard
and that goes back to Fairport Convention and some of the stuff he did with Linda. I can’t say I’ve heard everything he’s made, but what I’ve heard, I love. Just heard “A Heart Needs a Home” for the first time recently, on youtube, no less, and really enjoyed it. Really liked his version of Joni’s “Woodstock” on the JM tribute show a few years back.
Time for a new sig.
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 27, 2010 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
True (and pretty amazing) fact
that Woodstock version was pretty much totally improvised – he’s not played the song before or since, I don’t think, and he was basically filling in as another artist had pulled out at the last minute who was going to do that song. I think he knew the basic chord structure, and looked up all the words on the day, and was able to more or less wing it and still do that incredible performance. I think it’s one of my favourites of his.
The only song he was “scheduled” to do on that Joni show was “Black Crow” (which I don’t actually think is as good as his off-the-cuff Woodstock!).
Another RT favourite of mine on YouTube is his version of the Coo-Coo/Cuckoo Bird with Eliza Carthy and Garth Hudson – I definitely recommend checking that out!
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 28, 2010 4:41 AM EST up reply actions
I imagine I was probably involved in that
it’s weird that he’s become somewhat high-profile as an “alternative” artist in the US since he moved to Cali. I guess he’s made more money in his 50s than he has in the rest of his life.
‘52 Vincent is indeed a classic, but, being a huge fan, I kinda feel like I’ve heard that one so many times I’d rather he play other stuff when I see him live.
The last time I saw him was this summer (I try to catch him at least once a year when he’s in the UK) solo accoustic at a festival in south england. It was actually maybe about the only time I’ve been slightly disappointed with him live – it was after a big rain storm, so everyone was soaking wet, which didn’t help the mood, and he played (I guess as it was a festival crowd, not an RT crowd) a lot of his more famous stuff, most of which I’ve heard tons of times, and fewer of the more unusual things I guess he’d do live usually. I actually felt he was only the 2nd or 3rd best act on at the festival that I saw (the amazing Imelda May being the best!), and he was the main reason I went. I really enjoyed his son, Teddy’s, set too (perhaps even more than RT’s, as I didn’t know much of his stuff) though I’ve since bought a couple of his records and, with the exception of Separate Ways, I’ve not been overly impressed.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 28, 2010 4:36 AM EST up reply actions
Wow... this is really awful
This actually made me love Beyonce’s version less. And that song is freakin’ awesome.
That is a nice version.
One I wish would have made the cut was Come on Eileen by Save Ferris. Granted I love punk covers more than the average person should so take this recommendation with however much salt you deem appropriate…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"99 Red Balloons" by Goldfinger
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 28, 2010 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
unicorn bane says we're out on pitching, right?
so why are the Cardinals going to watch lhp Noah Lowry throw?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
MOAR FAILED LH STARTERS
"What's your favorite Chuck Palahniuk book?"
"I like the one about the alienated character who finds the socially unacceptable way of coping with modernity."
MOAR FAILED JOE STRAUSS
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 27, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
i really hate that he totally fell apart, dude was one of my face pitchers
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
OT: A girl I dated is a 3rd Grade teacher just txt'd me:
One of my kids is wearing his ed hardy tee again. Another boy came up to me and whispered to me “My dad says guys who wear those shirts are jerks. Is jayce a jerk?”
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Jan 27, 2010 9:42 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
anddddddd a girl i'm talking too just said
I don’t know what’s funnier. What the kid said or the possibility that my kid’s teachers are texting YOU during class.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
No of course not sweetheart.
It means his parents cheer for the Red Sox.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
jerks/red sox fans
half a dozen/6
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
Yes but you can't call the kids' parents jerks.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Jan 27, 2010 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
oooooooooo
kid: is he a jerk?
teacher: No, his parents are probably just red sox fans.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
I thought since I used sweetheart it was obvious I had gone into teacher mode.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Jan 27, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
i wish i could say sweetheart, that's a great word
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
if bogart could say it, you can
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
i'm cool, but i'm not bogart cool
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
wasn't it you
some time back, with that line about not giving the girl the reasons to reject you; let her find them herself? i thought it was you, and handed down by your father or grandfather?
so let everyone else find out for themselves you’re not bogart cool (although at VEB we already know that)
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
no that wasn't me, but it stuck with me & i get it
i’m no longer going to give the ladies more ammo.
but no one’s as cool as bogart so i think i’m safe to say it. i’m still hella cool though.
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
I pray to the GOB of all things holy
that Jayce is not the kid’s given name. If so I suggest we put a panel in place that has to approve all names before they go down on a birth certificate.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
I can't remember it now
there was a joke about him hitting a home run onto the roof of Shea…… from Busch.
The show was a repeat from right after Mac made his confession so I wasn’t paying close attention.
by ArkansasTravs on Jan 27, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
Yup
Letterman says this guy gave us a hint back in his playing days by hitting a homerun off the upper deck at Shea. The thing is, they were playing in St. Louis
I want the Walrus back...
wasn't last night a re-run?
Heaven has brick walls and St. Peter is a red bird.
by EinFesteBusch on Jan 27, 2010 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
Nice post RB
a couple of comments:
1) Bullpen – you didn’t seem to mention erstwhile Nats closer Joel Hanrahan, who probably has the best stuff out of anyone in the Bucs pen (99mph fastball!) but who’s struggled (so far) to control it at the major league level. Still, I’d expect him to have more upside than anyone other than Dotel they’ve got, and probably be their main set-up guy (and perhaps even compete with Dotel for some save oppos).
2) Charlie Morton – I think you’re really under-rating him. I’d put him up there with the Dukes, Maholms and Ohlendorfs of this team as a guy with solid all-round qualities who can be a mid-level sorta starter. I realise he was probably no longer a “prospect” when traded for as a 25-year old, but he’s had a similar career arc (say, two years on) to our own Lance Lynn – slightly underwhelming stuff, but still enough to get K’s at every level, and, although his sub-3 FIP at AAA looks somewhat like luck on HR rate, he’s a serious groundballer – 50% of his balls in play are on the ground, and if you combine that with the ability to up his strikeouts by maybe one per game, and perhaps get his walkrate under control a bit, I think he’s a decent bet to be a Jon Garland-lite. CHONE pegs him for a 4.16 FIP going forward, seems quite ambitious, but if he gets near that he’s a good mid-rotation guy in the majors.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
I forgot about Hanrahan.
I’m sure he’ll slay Cardinals.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
I grounded out to second base against him in my junior year of high school.
I also intercepted him during a football game in our senior year. Then, mid-season (Iowa plays high school baseball in the summer), the Dodgers drafted him and gave him like a $2MM signing bonus, so he left high school for Rookie ball.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
cool
i was impressed with his stuff at the wbc – think he was with the natinals then. seems one of those guys just needs to put it all together. but…hope colby puts one into the river off him at pnc.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
That was one of my favourite moments of 2009 I think
that and Albert’s GS vs the Cubs (Lilly, was it?).
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 28, 2010 4:43 AM EST up reply actions
I still haven't erase that game from my DVR
I just loved Soto’s reaction (or whoever was catching) as soon as Albert hits it he stands and puts his hands out to his sides, palms up. You can see by his actions he’s saying “Why????”
by ArkansasTravs on Jan 29, 2010 1:18 AM EST up reply actions
Pirates fans are very excited that they no longer have who they call:
“The worst player in baseball,” Brian Bixler. So I think that’s what they’re most excited about this year.
Also who has him: the Indians. Yeah, that’s right.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
in his place
they have Jesus Brito. I can’t say that name out loud without snickering.
"Haywood leads the league in all offensive categories, including nose hair. When this guy sneezes, he looks like a party favor." - Harry Doyle
by Futility Infielder on Jan 27, 2010 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
It's funny, because his name is
Jesus…and he’s wearing a big hat.
* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.
hahaha
Way to tie it all it in RR.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Jan 27, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
Also
I’m beginning to kinda agree with the miserable folk a month or so ago who were complaining that this site is getting too off-topic.
I know it’s the middle of winter and all, but this thread had 50 replies when I opened it, and literally NONE of them were about the Pirates in any respect, other than a couple saying basically “nice post” and nothing else.
I can really see why no-one wants to wade through all of that.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
The title of the thread was "Blue Steel Buccaneers"
that means Zoolander is on topic.
"What's your favorite Chuck Palahniuk book?"
"I like the one about the alienated character who finds the socially unacceptable way of coping with modernity."
mmm
the post rather sets the tone.
at the very least it’s not false advertising.
which means, crap, we have to practice writing poetry or one-acts whenever DanUp posts…
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 27, 2010 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
that said, the OT post exists
use it or lose it
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 27, 2010 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
who in thee blue hell wants to talk about the pirates?
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Jan 27, 2010 10:20 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Overwhelming Agreeance
As for the Buccos, no mention of Tabata. I’m still curious to see if he breaks out in the bigs.
Hey Ump!
Or, in the words of the immortal Yogi Berra. . .
Nobody goes there anymore; it’s too crowded.
I happen to agree with the too much OT crowd, too, FM.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 27, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
coming from the guy that I had to deal with posting
FIRST
Almost every single day
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 27, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
we're not here to talk about the past
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 27, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
hell, that was a no-hitter.
now i’ll mention the pirates.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Well, true nuff
that was pre-off-topic amnesty, though. We have a thread for that sort of thing now. And that was one post, rather than 50.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 27, 2010 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
One post times fifty threads in which it appeared
= 50 posts!
:-O
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 27, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
OK you win.
BAN MONK.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 27, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It was usally more than one post
b/c there were comments on your chosen picture, and sometimes response pictures, followed by people asking for it all to stop, and other people asking what the hell it all meant.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
yep, all fair enough
but I thought this sorta stuff was all out-of-bounds now, and we have a specific thread for it. I’m all in favour of the off-topic, yeah, but it just seemed crazy there was a big thread going and absolutely NONE of it was on-topic. I spend plenty of time in the OT thread too but I (mostly) try and keep it relevant to what the OP said in these threads…
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 27, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
of for fucks sake
it’s the fucking pirates! do you really want us all to break down their entire fucking organization for 500 posts? RB did a wonder job doing that, and there’s really nothing more we can add. and i guarantee you that you won’t find a better write up about them. but it’s the fucking pirates, we aren’t going to get into a long discussion about because this isn’t a pirates blog. if you really want to talk about them, i suggest you go find a pirates blog, because frankly we don’t give a flying rats ass about them. sure it’s good to keep a finger on their pulse, but for fucks sake man it’s the fucking pirates.
i thought we had moved on from all that shit monk, i’m really surprised you dug that back up. everyone’s behaving, everyone’s keeping the pics to a minimum, there’s no more bacon, we have OT threads, WTF else do you people want?
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
by gdm426 on Jan 27, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
it's a baseball blog
i think it’s reasonable to expect baseball discussion and to request it without people going all douchebag on people. i also think it’s reasonable to expect chatter in january. gotta admit, though, it was a little irritating when there was a main page thread already and the rich hill signing thread was 75% filled with shit completely irrelevant to it
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
i wanted to read something about
that tabata guy, specifically, why did he marry like a 50 yr. old woman when he was 19 or so and a pro?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
wow, really?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
i remember it coming out
because she got in some sort of shady trouble, akin to the dirk nowitzki situation last year, if you are at all familiar with that.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I remember that.
It was weird.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Jan 28, 2010 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, pretty messed up
thanks, i guess, for that.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
i just don't care anymore and i'm sick of everyone bitching about what's wrong
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
well
some of us do still come here to get our baseball fixes
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
i stopped reading at "i just don't care anymore"
some of us do.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
so you like the bitching?
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
people bitching
about people being off topic is exactly as enjoyable as you bitching about people bitching about people being off topic
jus syain
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
people just need to get over it
it’s impossible to stay completely on topic
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
i'm not going down this road anymore
we’ve already taken a massive veb shit over this last month & that should be the end of it
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
wow, we must all be twelve
except I’m pretty sure starting off-topic threads would probably reduce that occurrence. or… pressing post on those threads.
if you guys really don’t care about VEB that much, then guess what? people on VEB are going to bitch at you.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 27, 2010 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
holy f'in shit
there are many of us who do give the OT thing an effort. Jebus, all I am saying is that this non-stop bitching doesn’t do any good until the mods put their foot down and do something about it. I’d freaking love it if people only went OT in the OT thread, I do come here for baseball more than anything. But until Dan & the Robot actually do something about it, this bitching isn’t going to do anything except piss people off on both sides. I am pretty sure that is what GDM is getting at.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jan 27, 2010 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
honestly
the issue is that I’m not sure the OT thread is a good idea in the long run. I don’t mind some OT discussion in the main thread, because I’ve never felt like it was keeping me from getting to baseball discussion going on on the same page. If everybody else thinks otherwise I’ll take another look at it, but I’d rather not sever those two conversations if I can avoid it.
I'm with you on this Dan, it's your blog.
And it’s a damn fine blog as is.
And this is the last thing I am ever going to type about the OT nonsense.
How many days until ST? 21? 3 weeks baby!
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jan 27, 2010 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
21 until
pitchers and catchers report?
or that’s when workouts start?
only five weeks until (gulp) games. start.
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Jan 27, 2010 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
i agree with this
just let things flow naturally
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Jan 27, 2010 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
I think it's a good idea in the off-season
Once the season picks up a bit, I doubt it’ll be necessary anymore.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
I hate to be the one to break this to you
But their will still be OT stuff during the regular season. I am not sure why people don’t think it will be so
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 27, 2010 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
You don't need to patronize me
I’ve been here, I know there’s always OT stuff. The difference is a) prevalence and b) subject matter. During the season, people will have more to say about baseball, that’s just the way it is. There will be less urge to discuss something totally off-the-wall random when you’ve got something to say about Colby’s second PA last night. There will still be OT discussion, sure, but it won’t be to the point where the baseball discussion is lost.
Subject matter: nobody has ever complained about memes and jokes and branching conversations that are related to the baseball discussion at hand — or at least, I never have. Bacon? lolcats? DO NOT WANT pictures? These are things that are have nothing to do with baseball, and are basically cheap regurgitation humor — memes for the sake of memes, which require zero wit and don’t play a part in the sense of community on VEB like something like the “____wick” meme does.
In the season, the baseball talk takes back a vast majority of the comments, and the branching convos, in-jokes, and meme creation usually has to do with baseball, at least tangentially. It’s only in the offseason that the OT stuff gets really overwhelming to the point where the baseball part of the baseball blog gets drowned.
The OT talk has always been there. The complaints started when the OT talk started to get overwhelming. I think that the predominant focus will shift back to baseball when there’s baseball to be talked about…but I think, in the meantime, the OT thread is a good solution for the poster (and myriad lurkers) who comes here less — or not at all — for the banter and more for the baseball.
/rant
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
well i can agree
The stupid over use of the same meme’s. I just don’t find them that funny. I prefer original stuff at least.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 28, 2010 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
i agree
i wasn’t around when all this happened, but there is more OT about being OT than there is OT.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Yep
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 28, 2010 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
I gotta say, gdm
when you complaining about people bitching is taking up more screen-length than the actual comments bitching…
uh, that thread is going to explode with more bitching. I don’t see how you’re cutting down on it if you constantly make it a big deal…
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 27, 2010 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
Key phrase: "we have OT threads"
So I guess what I want is for people to, you know, post the OT stuff in them. That’s why they’re there.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
I have no problem with less OT stuff
and I am not just piling on the Monk about the first crap, but I do think that anyone who bitches about going off topic better go check out their own recent activity first.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
hey man
what’s that have to do with baseball?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
exactly!
I just did a little search of some of the users that are complaining about going off topic, and what do you know? at least half of them have OT comments in their recent activity. I just think it is a bit hypo-freakin-critical.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Not to be pedantic
but I actually don’t mind (and, as I think you alluded to, often contribute to) the off-topic stuff. My OP was more that this was the first time it’s really struck me as “yeah, I can kinda see why this pisses SOME people off”, mainly now because we’ve got a specific thread for it. You know, it doesn’t bother me at all particularly how we rationalise the posting of off-topic stuff and whether that puts people off, put I kinda thought the community in general was concerned that it was alienating some posters (again, not me, but I just thought I’d voice it).
In retrospect, I see that was a mistake and I apologise for bringing it up and/or appearing to be hypocritical about it.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 28, 2010 4:51 AM EST up reply actions
that should read "BUT I kinda thought the community in general..."
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 28, 2010 4:53 AM EST up reply actions
I enjoy talking baseball as much as the next guy
But their is a limit to what we can talk about. Most of the stuff is rehashing what someone already said. I post a lot about the baseball stuff and like to think I provide a good in sight. Their is nothing left to talk about. Why not talk OT than
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 27, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
Everything in moderation
I try to keep my OT bitching to a minimum. And I honestly don’t mind some OT conversation. I engage in some (not a lot, but some) myself. But I still do come here to read about baseball, first and always foremost, so I’d prefer if I didn’t have to sift through literally hundreds and hundreds of OT comments in the main threads to find something, ANYTHING about baseball. Some topical OT banter is, and always has been, part of VEB. But lots and lots of prolonged OT subthreads gets to be a bit too much, and is the reason we have OT threads in the first place. When there’s so much OT stuff that it makes reaching the baseball information take significant effort, something’s wrong, in my ever-so-humble opinion.
Things have honestly been noticeably more even-keeled since the OT threads launched. But today’s thread is a little over-the-top.
For what it’s worth, I think all of this will correct itself when the season starts and there’s more to talk about baseball-wise. But in the meantime, I don’t think it’s asking too much for people to put a little effort into moderating the location and frequency of their OT convos.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
It's a Red Baron Wednesday post!
Anything goes!
by Mister Eff on Jan 27, 2010 6:06 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
It went up on Tuesday!
I therefore reserve my right to be a grumpy mofo!
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
by mojowo11 on Jan 27, 2010 6:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
and this is coming from someone who has been trying to stay on topic lately ( except for my Saturday night drunken commenting), and even the Saturday night drunken commenting was kind of on-topic, because I was only commenting about reaching third base.
Wednesdays are always like this. I love Wednesdays.
GAH!
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
wtf are we supposed to talk about
The Pirates. I don’t give a shit about the Pirates. I normally post up when a player gets signed. Their is nothing left to talk about that hasn’t been talked to death about.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 27, 2010 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
As long as we don't sign him for $10 million (or whatever his last contract here was)
It won’t be a big deal. If we’re paying him league minimum to try and figure shit out, it’s not that big of a loss.
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 27, 2010 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
What?!
I don’t want Swamp Gas anywhere near this team!
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
I should have said "in the minors"
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 27, 2010 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
Hard to get in winter
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 27, 2010 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
My personal preference, then...
…would be that people didn’t talk about anything (in the main thread). Move all the OT talk to the OT fanpost. If there’s 35 comments on the main post, there’s 35 comments, so what? Do we have a quota to reach? At least then I know going in that I’m going to find stuff that’s mostly on-topic re: baseball, and I won’t waste time sifting through OT stuff to find the baseball talk. And if I want to jibber-jabber with my fellow VEB’ers, I’ll know where to go for that, too. It’s right over there in the right column.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
i don't like the idea of an OT thread
seems to unnatural and weird. i’ve never even looked in the current one. i’m okay wuth OT discussion and i’m okay with people complaining about it. i’m not okay with fanposts and front page posts that address something specific (like a signing) devolving into bacon and bad movie references
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
i didn't even know the Rich Hill signing post went up
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 27, 2010 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
i didn't either
unitl there were 250 posts in it and 7 were about rich hill signing with the cards. this was one of the instances where i wasn’t refreshing mlbtr minutely and was kind of irritated when it was so hard to get the scoop on an issue in a post solely devoted to that
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
well I am the one that first reported that he signed
I just didn’t know a whole separate fan post went up for it
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 27, 2010 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
perfect world, perfect world
I’d almost agree with this, but damn if it doesn’t seem once a month we have these subthreads that reach counts closing in on 100 comments bitching about going OT.
I am really freakin ready for the season to begin.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
The only post in the history of the internet
that actually stayed on topic was VEB’s “Stuff” post.
by Mister Eff on Jan 27, 2010 6:15 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
and it wasn't really on topic
because I saw no VEB’ers stuff in that thread!
So what do people think about Craig’s ZIP projections?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
where can they be found?
i’ve only seen chone’s projections for him
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
someone posted a link
somewhere
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Craig: .279. .330 . .434 17 HR 78 RBI 103 OPS+
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
GAH
they have Stavinoha projected at .279 .313 .411 11 HR 70 rbi 93 ops+ 489 AB
Colby ……..projected at .260 .327 .411 15 HR 65 rbi 97 ops+ 438 AB
and this boys and girls is why I will never really like projections. A blind squirrel that is dead and can no longer have hope of finding his nuts knows better than to think this is fathomable.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Colby's seems possible.
Stav’s obviously not, but these are projections made almost entirely out of numerical weighting of a guy’s previous stats. You could probably make a better Stavinoha projection, but what’s your projection for Austin Jackson or Travis Buck or any other team’s random scrub?
"What's your favorite Chuck Palahniuk book?"
"I like the one about the alienated character who finds the socially unacceptable way of coping with modernity."
If Stav played all year
I don’t think it’s totally implausble he does that. It’s pretty much in line with his minor league record. He HAS been super unlucky on balls in play in his short major league stint so far. I don’t think a .313 OBP is totally beyond him (though I think it might be a tiny bit optimistic).
Problem is, he’s a shitty corner outfielder, so a .700-something OPS doesn’t really cut it. Colby could get away with that line because he’s like 2-3 wins better than Stav on defense.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 28, 2010 4:59 AM EST up reply actions
I have a majot problem with him getting 438 ABs
that’s the craziest thing about this whole projection
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
lets compare
CHONE: 0.282/.338/.459
ZIPS: .279/.330/.434
MLE of 2009: .278/.319/.440
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 27, 2010 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
and that's not ever gonna happen
is there a SBNation blog that stays on topic for more than 50% of a thread? The only one that I can think of that does is BtB, and we just have way too much traffic for that to be realistic over at VEB.
And really, what do you think about Craig’s ZIP projections?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Bring something up
You don’t have to talk about the Pirates.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 27, 2010 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
Well I normally do
I am practically the RSS feed of baseball news inside of VEB
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 27, 2010 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
i'd like to see
the collapse thread functionalit someone suggested
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
i personally would just rather all the people that complain leave
and don’t let the door hit you the way out
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 27, 2010 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
If the margins are moving to the right of the page,
and the original comments were OT, chances are those comments are not baseball-related. Skip them by Z-ing through them. Another option would be to turn off the auto-update feature, Shift-A everything, read everything, and then turn auto-update back on. Quickly Z through uninteresting comments.
No one is held hostage by OT conversation unless they have OCD and HAVE TO read every single comment.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
screw you
My z button sticks so it is super hard. YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 27, 2010 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
i really thought we were done hashing this out
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Oh, I didn't realize I wasn't allowed to share my thoughts.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
obvy i'm not talking about you, just the subject in general
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
wow, Tsonga won
I saw the first epic set, but had to crash.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Pittsburgh, where failed prospects get a second chance.
I guess that’s kind of harsh.
I wonder who has a higher chance of turning into a good outfielder: Felix Pie or Lastings Milledge?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
i still can't get over
the teams they gave away
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 27, 2010 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
Could you rephrase that?
Are you saying you don’t understand that teams that gave them away?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Or that they've given away whole teams-worth of good players?
Ima confused.
by arch support on Jan 27, 2010 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
Also, due to a typo my sentence doesn't make any sense anyway
Maybe we should just give up.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I think this is what he means.
the pirates could be running a lineup that includes aramis ramirez, jack wilson, nate mcclouth, freddy sanchez…just to name a few.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
what arch said
It’s not that confusing. it’s been brought up more than once around here
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 27, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
Everyone always has that one...
…entire competent starting lineup that got away.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
except the Pirates have more than one
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Pie
he’s a good outfielder already, I’d say. Take a look at his fangraphs page – he probably had a much better 2009 than you realise!
That said, I liked the Morgan/Yates for Milledge/Hanrahan trade. Give up two known quantities for two kinda failed guys who still have tons of natural talent. It’s the sort of move teams like the Pirates need to make, even if it falls flat.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 27, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I guess I missed the boat on Pie's progress
He was about a 2 win player last year. I think I overlooked him because Adam Jones was more interesting, or something.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Huntington Report Card.
So Neal Huntington has been GM of the Bucs now since September 2007. To date, he’s had two full seasons and three offseasons (including this one) under his watch.
At what point does the “Hey, Littlefield sucked something fierce” defense stop working for Huntington? Granted, guys drafted under Neal’s stewardship largely have yet to make the majors. But he’s had enough time to put his stamp on the team through trades and (chuckle) free agent signings.
I don’t think anyone doubted that 2008 and 2009 could be written off as rebuilding years. And 2010 probably still qualifies as rebuilding, imo. But I think you’ve got to start expecting improvement this season: a record approaching .500, for instance.
Just seeking your opinions on when the Pirates suckitude officially lands on Huntington’s shoulders instead of the prior regime’s. If there are any Buccos fans lurking today, I’d like to hear your opinions too.
For the record, I liked the Huntington signing at the time. I still think the Pirates have the potential to be a good-to-great team in the next three years or so. But I wonder if the fans and baseball opinionators in general will be as generous with the time span.
Huntington has made some very good moves
The McClouth trade was excellent, IMO. The Wilson-Snell was trade was good as well. He’s got a very nice looking outfield, under team control for the next 5 years. A very good young third baseman, and the makings of a good pitching staff. His draft has been much better in recent years as well.
I think that he should really get a little more time. He’s done all that he can so far – he’s not a miracle worker – and seems to be a really bright guy.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 27, 2010 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
I share your sentiment largely.
But the baron’s post makes me think twice. Barring a lot of things clicking unexpectedly, the Pirates are still likely to suck this year. I think the best case scenario is an even record, and that’s a big stretch.
If I were a Bucs fan, I think I’d have been expecting a better team by now after the GM change in ’07.
That said, Huntington seems smart: he hasn’t made any face-palm inducing moves, and the moves he has made are defensible if not exactly steals. And he’s bred from good stock; I’ve got a lot of respect for the Indians front office.
by arch support on Jan 27, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
Also, the Nady trade.
He traded Nady in the middle of a career year with Marte and got McCutchen, Ohlendorf and Karstens, which isn’t half-bad. Karstens hasn’t been very good, but the other two might pan out. (One could say that Ohlendorf already has.)
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Small quibble, but
I think you mean Tabata instead of McCutchen in the Nady trade.
He hit it good. He hit it good.
Daniel McCutchen
He’s a pitcher.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Not at all.
It’s an easy mistake to have made, especially with the fact that the Pirates are hardly ever on national television and the Cards only played the Pirates in two post-All-Star-break series. They traded away a lot of players for a lot of prospects and it’s easy to get mixed up in that jumble, especially with such similar names.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Payroll
You still have to remember that the Huntington has had payrolls of $48.69M in both 08 and 09. He’s made some good moves to acquire young talent but there is only so much he can do as far as bringing in established major league talent.
Hey Ump!
Payroll
When you’re stuck with a payroll that’s less than what the Cardinals’ 1-3 starters make it’s rather rough to field a good team. It’s not impossible but it’s rough. I think he’s done a decent job drafting and made trades that are very good considering his financial handcuffs. I’m not a Pirates fan though so maybe there is some stuff I just haven’t cared enough to dig around and find out about.
by WizardofOz1982 on Jan 27, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
You're right.
He’s handcuffed by payroll which should be recognized in any critique of the job he’s done.
by arch support on Jan 27, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
I really like Huntington
I’d say he’s learnt well on the job and has made better moves as his tenure has gone on.
Unlike VEP, I didn’t particularly like the McClouth haul (it was OK, no more; I like Morton but he profiles as a mid-to-back of the rotation guy, Locke is talented but flawed and I think Gorkys Hernandez is hugely over-rated given he’s never hit a lick even in the low minors), and I think the Bay trade was really bad. In both cases they seemed to trade proven star-level guys (well, arguably McLouth is a bit less than that) for a bunch of prospects/AAA guys with medium ceilings, rather than shooting for further off, higher ceiling guys.
Huntington’s kinda done a good job of filling the system with a bunch of players who could be league average through these sort of moves, but IMO they still lack the high-ceiling talent (outside of maybe Sanchez and Alvarez) to turn this team into a winner going forward. I guess you could argue that you can fill a team internally with 2-win types and then add a couple of stars through free agency, but that’s a difficult route for a team with such a tiny payroll.
Overall, though, I think he’s done pretty well, and some of his more recent moves (I LOVED the Freddy Sanchez for Tim Alderson trade, and I agree with VEP that the Wilson/Snell for Clement plus three kinda middling pitching prospects was a good move; more stocking of the system with guys who have a shot at becoming average major leaguers. I also thought getting Hanrahan and Milledge, two guys with huge ceilings who’d lost their way, for two known quantities in Morgan and Yates was a good high-upside move). His hands have been hugely tied by the lack of payroll and the fact that the Pirates didn’t have a lot of moveable pieces when he came in. With the exception of Bay and maybe McLouth, they’ve not really had any stars worth much in a trade, and even those two guys are really only 3-4 win players at the absolute most. It’s hard to build a farm system without much to give away, and he’s basically bought a lot of time for the system by trading out a bunch of middling players to acquire to a bunch of potentially middling players (with some upside here and there) that’ll end up costing a lot less, freeing up some space for some future payroll gambles and (hopefully) a few more high-upside trades and draft moves.
So yeah, I quite like him so far.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 27, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
I don't know how you think the Bay trade was bad
2 years of a pretty expensive and only slightly above average Bay for 5 years of Adam LaRoche + some ok prospects with some upside? That’s a huge win in my book, especially given they had no chance of competing while Bay was still under their control.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 27, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
At the time when he was traded Bay was a premier player IMO
especially by what the market was valuing at the time. He was a premier offensive player, admittedly coming off an awful injury-riddled year, who wasn’t yet characterised as a dreadful defender as he’d been average in LF in 2006 and 2005. I think most people thought he’d bounce back offensively (as he did) and defensively (as he didn’t) from his horrible 2007 and end up being somewhere close to the 5-6 WAR player he was in 05 and 06.
I agree I’m maybe being revisionist here in that LaRoche still seemed to have some upside at that point (obviously he’s largely been a disappointment at MLB level compared to his minor league rep) and Moss has never turned into anything much (whilst he looked competent in Boston), but I think that this trade should’ve netted them either one real top prospect, or a bunch of lower down, higher-upside guys. Seems they traded their one legitimate big piece for a bunch of guys who are role players.
I don’t necessarily disagree with the haul but, given (as you said) they were nowhere near competing, the TYPE of players they went after. I think Bay could’ve landed someone who’ll come up and be above-average in 2011, 2012, when they might compete, as opposed to a bunch of 2 WAR seasons from guys in 2009 and 2010 when they wouldn’t.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 27, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Bay was replacement level in 07
He was going to get really expensive. I highly doubt the market for him was very high.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 27, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe not
but I’d rather get, say, Arodys Vizcaino or someone of that sort for him than Brandon Moss. But I do take your point. It was more the “type” of players they got than the overall value of the package. Most of the guys the got will be getting expensive or will be more or less out of baseball (or will, at best, be average players earning market value money) by the time they’re relevant again.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 28, 2010 5:07 AM EST up reply actions
I think just Andy LaRoche
Who is major league ready, cost controlled, and has legitimately good upside is more than enough of a return for Jason Bay. Andy was worth 2.5 wins last year per FanGraphs, and isn’t even in arbitration yet.
Vizcaino, like all pitching prospects, carries much, more risk than a good major league ready hitting prospect like LaRoche, and not a considerable amount more upside. When you consider the fact that the Pirates also got 3 extra players (a decent, above replacement level, cost controlled outfielder in Moss, a potentially dominant reliever in Hanson and Morris) it should be considered a HUGE win for them.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 28, 2010 5:12 AM EST up reply actions
Jolene
Is that a cover of Dolly Parton, Ray Lamontagne or someone else?
I was reading about how countless species are being pushed toward extinction by man's destruction of forests. Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - Calvin, Scientific Progress Goes "Boink", Watterson
The White Stripes
It’s a cover of Dolly Parton and it’s God Awful.
by WizardofOz1982 on Jan 27, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
music appreciation is wholly subjective and therefore
There can be no right or wrong it what one likes or dislikes.
Nevertheless, your statement is wronger than a three-dollar bill.
if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus
by tom s. on Jan 27, 2010 11:50 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm with you...
I absolutely love the White Stripes version of Jolene.
He hit it good. He hit it good.
just listened to it for the first time
and while its definitely not God Awful, i did not fall in love with it. of course i love Dolly’s version but i am Stripes fan so maybe i was expecting too much…
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
False
The White Stripes’ Jolene is my favorite cover of them all.
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
Jolene Covers
Mindy Smith’s cover of Jolene is the only version I consider worth listening to other than Dolly’s. I might even consider it to be superior.
by WizardofOz1982 on Jan 27, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
I've started listening to
the Black Keys. They’re like the White Stripes with a skilled drummer
"...football games always make me thankful for two things:
1. Teams that pass the ball downfield.
2. Baseball games. "
--DanUpBaby
I realise it's technically poor
but Meg’s drumming has never bothered me at all. I think it “works” with the overall feel of the band. It’s very rhythmic and dynamic, and the slight inability to keep a solid tempo gives the music quite a natural feel I think.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 28, 2010 5:08 AM EST up reply actions
I agree. I also think Jack doesn't mind/likes it or he'd find a new drummer.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
Kinda hard to fire your sister though
Especially if your sister has mental problems to the same extent Meg has them.
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 28, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
Oh
I guess I fell for it then.
Still hard to fire your ex-wife, though probably not as hard as your sister
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 28, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
this just in: Solanus's fanpost is awesome
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
the sidebar now says smoltz is leaning toward returning to the Cardinals.
guess BJ Rains might be wrong after all.
but…that could make Strauss right…wait…
/head explodes
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
Broken clocks, IHB....
Broken clocks
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 27, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That's heartening.
If we can sign Smoltz, I’d consider the offseason a successful one even if I’d also love to bring Kiko Calero back as well.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Have you heard any numbers attached with Calero's name?
I haven’t, and was wondering what people thought it would take to sign him? We know the small bears were looking at him last week, but I haven’t heard anything else since.
Time for a new sig.
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 27, 2010 8:00 PM EST up reply actions
no, me either
I’m guessing it’ll be about $2m, but I guess it could be less. It wouldn’t surprise me if he’d maybe looking for two years now.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 28, 2010 5:09 AM EST up reply actions
but strauss just said
on Bernie’s show about an hour ago that no more big names were going to be signed in order to keep flexibility.
By big name of course he means
Mr. Adolph Blaine Charles David Earl Frederick Gerald Hubert Irvin John Kenneth Lloyd Martin Nero Oliver Paul Quincy Randolph Sherman Thomas Uncas Victor William Xerxes Yancy Wolfeschlegelsteinhausenbergerdorffwelchevoralternwarengewissen-schaftschaferswessenschafewarenwohlgepflegeundsorgfaltigkeitbeschutzenvonangreifeudurchihrraubgierigfeindewelchevoralternzwolftausendjahresvorandieerscheinenerscheinenvanderersteerdemenschderraumschiffgebrauchlichtalsseinursprungvonkraft gestartseinlangefahrthinzwischensternaitigraumaufdersuchenachdiesternwelche gehabtbewohnbarplanetenkreisedrehensichundwohinderneurassevonverstandigmens chlichkeitkonntefortpflanzenundsicherfeuenanlebenslanglichfreudeundruhemitn icheinfurchtvorangreifenvonandererintelligentgeschopfsvonhinzwischenternart Zeus igraum, Senior
it means"…who before ages were conscientious shepherds whose sheep were well tended and diligently protected against attackers who by their rapacity were enemies who 12,000 years ago appeared from the stars to the humans by spaceships with light as an origin of power, started a long voyage within starlike space in search for the star which has habitable planets orbiting and whither the new race of reasonable humanity could thrive and enjoy lifelong happiness and tranquility without fear of attack from other intelligent creatures from within starlike space."
and shown not to be a hoax.
the quotes above begin after 'Wolfeschlegelsteinhausenbergerdorff' which means
Wolf Mallet, Steinhausen-Bergdorff (a location in Hamburg)
how do you say (actually, spell) farfignugen?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Brett Fahrvergnügen
Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.
BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
An epic one at that
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 27, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
Incidentally, RB
“Heartbreak Hotel” – John Cale
Despite my post above about off-topic stuff (glerk!) I should say I’m a huge Cale fan, and I think this is probably the best cover version of an Elvis song I’ve ever heard. It really underlines the difference between a “cover version” and a “reinterpretation”. There’s a frankly weird version of it (that sounds like it should be incidental music in Miami Vice or some gritty 80s cop show/movie where everyone wears the sleeves rolled up on their jackets) with Cale, Richard Thompson, John Sanborn, Shawn Colvin and a few others from “Nightmusic” a few years ago that’s on YouTube. I’m quite a fan of that one too. It’s weird that Cale, despite 40-some years of being a musician and songwriter, is best known for a couple of cover versions – this one, and the rediscovering of “Hallelujah” a few years ago before Jeff Buckley did (in my view) a far inferior version.
Cale’s song “Gun” (not to be confused with the song of the same name by his ex-bandmate Lou Reed!) is also whizzing round my head at least once a week. For some reason I just find the guitar part and the chorus incredibly catchy.
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what's a glerk?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
music is never off-topic in a red baron thread
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
If we're talking covers
“Billie Jean” – Chris Cornell (although I actually like David Cook’s cover of the cover, I feel dirty including an American Idol recording on any kind of official list)
“Such Great Heights” – Iron & Wine
“Bitches Ain’t Shit” – Ben Folds
“All Around the Watchtower” – Jimi Hendrix (too obvious?)
+1 on John Cale’s “Hallelujah” as well
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
Also
Kate Miller-Heidke’s cover of Britney Spears’ "Toxic is brilliant. Unfortunately there’s only cell phone concert vids of it. But when I saw her live opening for Ben Folds it absolutely cracked my shit (and made for one of the most memorable opening acts I’ve ever seen (which reminds me of a friend’s brother who saw Nirvana when they were an opening act (but this is veering far too into my stream of consciousness (and I’m probably using too many parentheses(I’m done)))).
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
+1 fof the David Cook version of Billie Jean
That is a really great song. He did it in a similar style as Cornell, but I think even better.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
Covers...
Aside from the ones previously mentioned, two other great ones are Careless Whisper, Seether covering George Micheal. Run, Snow patrol covering Leona Lewis.
"A slick way to out-figure a person is to get him figuring you figure he's figuring you're figuring he'll figure you aren't really figuring what you want him to figure you figure." ~ Whitey Herzog
Other way round
Leona Lewis covered Snow Patrol.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 28, 2010 5:12 AM EST up reply actions
"All Around the Watchtower" – Jimi Hendrix (too obvious?)
Is that a mashup of Bob Dylan’s “All Along the Watchtower” and Steeleye Span’s “All Around My Hat”? Because that would be fucking awesome.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 28, 2010 5:11 AM EST up reply actions
There is a rather interesting cover
of My Hero by Paramore out there…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
So if Smoltz isn't an option
and he’s arguably the best combination of cost/health/performance, the Cardinals must have decided to simply fling poo during ST and see what sticks. I’m not sure that I’m against this philosophy but I worry about the durability of, well, basically our entire rotation.
Think; It's not illegal yet.
Is that the Cardinal way?
It seems like every year we throw a bunch of shit against the wall for the last roster spot. Hope something sticks. Nothing does so we pick up the last piece of shit to fall, Joe Thurston.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 27, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
they're looking for True Cardinals?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I agree with you, Az.
Given the Cardinals’ organizational situation, spending $5MM or so on Smoltz seems like the best course of action. Our big-league rotation has serious health questions (Carpenter, Lohse, Penny, and Wainwright) and, without acquiring a free agent, serious performance questions (i.e., Garcia, Hawksworth, Boggs, and McClellan). Flexibility, dry powder, and all that are well and good, if you have the prospects to bolster an injured or poor-performing rotation slot. But, the Cards don’t have the prospects to do that in a way that is as good an allocation of resources as Smoltz.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I'm not real worried about Lohse's health
I think last season was a fluke. and Wainwright also seems pretty durable.
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 27, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
Wainwright
He is coming off a career-high in innings pitched, 30 more than his previous career-high in 2007. And, with his curveball, 2008’s finger injury has to give one concern. I recognize that he has stated he felt better physically at the end of this season than he ever has before because he stuck to a workout program throughout the season. Nonetheless, I still worry about ligaments and tendons.
As for Lohse, we’d have all stated how durable he was before last season. Heck, when they signed him, I cited durability as a characteristic probably undervalued in the FA market as I attempted to justify the terrible signing to myself. (I was unable to convince myself with this logic.)
Do I think that they will get hurt? No. I think they are good bets to remain healthy, but there also reasons to be worried about their health.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
but there also reasons to be worried about their health.
No more so than any other pitcher, really?
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 27, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
I would argue there is a bit more reason.
I’m more anxious about Kyle Lohse’s 2010 health typing here today than I was on january 27, 2009 when he was a proven innings-eater who had never been injured. I’m also just as anxious about Adam Wainwright’s health in 2010 as I was at this time in 2009, more anxious than I would be about a pitcher who threw 175 innings last year and is about Wainwright’s age.
I don’t want to seem like I’m dismissing your point, because it’s a legitimate one. All pitchers are injury risks. The throwing motion they perform hundreds of times a start is unnatural, causing tremendous strain. There is a reason why contracts for pitchers that are longer in length than three years make me anxious. I’m not more worried about Wainwright’s health than I would be about any other pitcher coming off a career-high, 232-IP season. Nor am I any more worried about Lohse’s health than I would be a pitcher in his early thirties coming off a season where that pitcher missed time due to injury.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Lohse's injury stemmed from being hit by a pitch
That makes me worry not quite as much, whether that’s rational or not. He’s still Mr. Durable in my mind.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
Lohse had a lot of little injuries that added up
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 27, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
effin Mahay
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
then he got hit by another pitch on his minor-league rehab
and he was initially rushed back too soon, i think. it was all kind of flukey, and i’m glad it didn’t result in some further, more severe injury.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
yeah
it was almost comedic all the little injuries he had, then they tried to bring him back a little early. he wasn’t 100% after all that, but it could have thrown off his rhythm for the season.
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 27, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
keep safe, Bubbles!!
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
when are you going to edit that signature?
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 27, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
when someone opines on my comment below?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
what's wrong with the sig?
has Boog been avenged? did I miss it??
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
I wish!
(although, you know, I noticed Manny did get hit in the ankle with a foul tip during the playoffs. it was so, so too little too late.)
actually, it’s the Molina part… I almost changed it out later in the season but was overruled by several people.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 27, 2010 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think you should change it.
It’s one of my favorite baseball quotes.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
yeah, by the time he was in a spot to regain his rhythm, his cousin died
it was all rather freaky, if you buy into intangibles like that
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
the intangibles
can affect brain patterns, unless baseball players only use muscle memory. I think that unless he is some kind of zen master, that stuff could affect his performance.
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 27, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
so you're saying he has a lot of upside to be good in 2010?
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
basically
I am just saying that he had an injury riddled off year in 2009, but that doesn’t mean that I am worried about if he’ll get hurt more than your average pitcher
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 27, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
i agree with that
but i was hoping someone would get the joke from yesterday about me & the word upside
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Didn't Waino have TJ surgery (or some such arm reconstruction surgery) in the minors?
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 27, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think so
And he never really missed a full season in the minors. He only threw 63 innings in 04 but pitched a full season in 05 so it almost certainly wasn’t TJ.
Not afraid to nitpick
Tom Verducci is spinning in his office chair...
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 28, 2010 5:15 AM EST up reply actions
I don't understand the dry powder thing what so ever
We have no prospects left to trade if we wanted to add someone mid season.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 27, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
Right.
Smoltz at $5MM today is probably a better return than anything we could acquire mid-season with our lack of prospects on the farm. Our faberge eggs aren’t as lustrous as they were last year at this time.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I don't understand it either.
Aren’t all powders dry?
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
Doesn't damp gun powder not blow up?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
let's just hope they are storing it properly
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
ask yourself
what does smoltz want? i think he wants to be a cardinal. i think mo knows that and will be given an opportunity to match any offer smoltz gets. or maybe just nearly match – a little discount, perhaps.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
i think he wants to regain the title of fantasy football champion
but with the victorious Piñeiro gone, he will never avenge his good name
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I am slightly concerned
that we’re going with the “keeping some powder dry” option. I’m not sure I think it’s a very good option for two reasons
1) Any player we sign now we get the benefit of all year, instead of 2 months
2) Players seem to be valued at a very low level by the market right now, and will cost more (i.e. prospects, rather than minimal $) at the deadline than they do now.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 27, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
OPEN DEWALLET!
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 27, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think he did that already
Now it’s more of a go-to-the-ATM-and-get-some-more-cash-to-put-in-DeWallet.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
by mojowo11 on Jan 27, 2010 3:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
AND THEN REOPEN DEWALLET
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 27, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
AND ERECT THE BALLPARK VILLAGE
FOR THE LOVE OF PETE PUT SOMETHING THERE
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
how could you forget about the soft ball field?
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Ah, I had forgotten that, actually
I moved out of STL in May, so I didn’t get to enjoy the half-hearted development from the ASG.
But seriously, it’s a race between the Ballpark Village and Ground Zero in NYC. Who will build something long overdue first?!?!?!
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
Hehe.
You said “erect”.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 28, 2010 5:16 AM EST up reply actions
Who said they were going to kill the next person who said dewallet?
I can’t remember, was it Yadi2?
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
It was me
I wish I could go all hacker-ish and find IP addys, and then real addys
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
just email flim
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
what's wrong with dewallet?
it’s another way of saying dewitt is in control of the budget
i think dewallet is mighty fun, almost as fun as luggage
It's been used just a bit too much for me
It’s unoriginal in my honest opinion.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
the poo to be flung being..
boggs, hawk, rehabbing garcia, and now, rich hill? i guess it could work, but i’d rather not have to find out. i gotta say, i have no faith that hill can recapture the ’07 glory.
you almost said "Faith Hill"
could be a great nickname for Rich, esp. if he doesn’t pan out.
youneverknow
by floodOfLove on Jan 27, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
ohhh i like it. i likes it a lot
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Not sure how a 43 year old with multiple elbow and shoulder surgeries,
who pitched less than 130 innings in 2009 brings durability to our rotation.
"What's your favorite Chuck Palahniuk book?"
"I like the one about the alienated character who finds the socially unacceptable way of coping with modernity."
by hazel on Jan 27, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I never said it did.
It does further remove us from the projected replacement level starters though.
Think; It's not illegal yet.
Ah,
i got that impression on first reading, but I see what you’re saying now. I’m down with bringing in Smoltz, but it would be nice if one of our invites stuck in the rotation and Smoltz could ease my heart at the back end of games.
"What's your favorite Chuck Palahniuk book?"
"I like the one about the alienated character who finds the socially unacceptable way of coping with modernity."
plus he makes Wagonmaker happy
and if Wagonmakers happy, we’re all happy
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
It spreads the risk.
If we are relying on one more guy before we have to dip into the AAA or bullpen, then we are in a better position. It gives us more depth. There is less of a risk that more than one of the group Smoltz, Carp, Wainwright, Lohse, and Penny getting hurt simultaneously than that group without Smoltz. I’d much rather be calling Garcia up from AAA for a start or five after an injury in the rotation than calling up PJ Walters.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Smoltz brings his own volatility, however.
So while he takes some starts away from our 2010 swingman, he also increases the likelihood that more than one of our starters will be on the DL at the same time. He makes us more talented, but I’m not sure I’d call him a contributor to our durability.
"What's your favorite Chuck Palahniuk book?"
"I like the one about the alienated character who finds the socially unacceptable way of coping with modernity."
Perhaps "durability" is the wrong word.
What I believe Smoltz does is make it less likely that we have to rely on a AAA or AAAA pitcher for any significant length of time. I’d rather have Garcia as the first call-up than have him already in the rotation.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
stability?
he should be stable at his age, right?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
It's nice to project Smoltz/Garcia,
to put up a lovely 3.8ish ERA for 200 IP out of the fifth spot. The problem is timing.
"What's your favorite Chuck Palahniuk book?"
"I like the one about the alienated character who finds the socially unacceptable way of coping with modernity."
more like Smoltz + Garcia
No way either one of them puts up 200IP
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 27, 2010 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
I think that's what he meant
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 28, 2010 5:19 AM EST up reply actions
There's also a concern about his ability to throw more than about 90 pitches
so arguably he’ll work the shitty bullpen a bit harder, but I suppose the “counterpoint” would be that Jaime Garcia will probably be on tight IP and pitch-count limits too, and Rich Hill with his superglued shoulder probably isn’t going to be the measure of durability this year either.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 28, 2010 5:19 AM EST up reply actions
awesome....
Assuming of course, there’s no repeat of the 2009 3B situation, with the stubbornly sticking through some pretty awful Joe Thurston play.
Albertofstan.
F* Yeah!
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Jan 27, 2010 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
Also nice to see they think Luddy will rebound
Albertofstan.
F* Yeah!
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Jan 27, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
Some of the starters are pretty rough
only a 29% chance that Lohse has an ERA+ of a 100 or above.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 27, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
well since he has had exactly 3 seasons of equal to or over 100 era+ in his 9 year career
im not sure why you would expect it to be a greater chance than that. most of his career is 80-90ish years in era+
He's pitched most of his career in extreme hitters' parks and/or in a DH league
and has moved to a pretty good pitchers’ one (Busch) so I’d say it’s more than likely he’ll have an ERA+ over 100 than it would be otherwise. Hard to say if 29% is an underestimate or not, though…
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 28, 2010 5:48 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah and Diner's #1 comp is kind of funny too.
Albertofstan.
F* Yeah!
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Jan 27, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
Most hilarious of all
check out Albert’s #3 comp…
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 28, 2010 5:49 AM EST up reply actions
That Brad Penny projection is total BS.
"What's your favorite Chuck Palahniuk book?"
"I like the one about the alienated character who finds the socially unacceptable way of coping with modernity."
It remains to be seen how well he will recover from his mystery arm injury.
I’d bet against that projection, but I could see him doing that badly or worse. Penny on the other hand, I can’t fathom him not blowing that one away.
"What's your favorite Chuck Palahniuk book?"
"I like the one about the alienated character who finds the socially unacceptable way of coping with modernity."
Yeah
I think either Penny’s injured and pitches less innings, or he throws 150 innings that are much better than that.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 28, 2010 5:51 AM EST up reply actions
2010: The return of Joey Bombs?
.261/.327/.433
Much as I would love that, I don’t see it happening. Doubt he would slug that much, or that he would get any legit playing time.
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 27, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
I think he will have a big year
Just not sure it will be with the big club. He should be healed from his wrist injury by this point
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 27, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
he had a wrist then
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Presumably after a full year of rehab he'll be in a better place than he was last year
Not afraid to nitpick
but his last surgery was during the season
notably: the last surgery
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
heh, the best report is from here
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2009/6/24/923382/joe-mather-has-3rd-wrist-surgery
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
hazel also gives us the ER version
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2009/10/13/1082990/joe-mather-thy-name-is-chris-duncan#22791500
or maybe House.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
didnt' some link a report a few days ago his wrist wasn't healing well
and he was going to have to have another surgery? i could have sworn i read that here recently.
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
i hope you're fuckin around
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
i swear i read it, i'm thinking last thur or friday
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
it was on Aaron's blog on the RFT
Joe Mather would fit the 4th outfielder/ backup center fielder role to a ‘T’, of course, but I heard John Vuch recently talking about Mather’s wrist, saying he still wasn’t sure it was completely healed
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
well that might not be it, but that's what has me worried
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
yeah that's it
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
BTW
John Vuch is the minor league director
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 27, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I was hoping most VEB'ers should know that by now!
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
interesting listen
He say is still rehabbing from his wrist injury. Said it was going well and hopes to be back by spring training. Knocks on wood.
He says nothing about another surgery.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 27, 2010 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
I am just of the
" don’t expect anything out of someone who has had 3 wrist surgeries in the last year and a half, and just take anything that you can get from said player as icing on the freakin cake" camp.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
it is an interesting listen to hear how little baseball players make in the minors
Only make $1200 a month in Single A and that is is only during the season. These guys I assume have some kind of part time job. But has to be hard to keep.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 27, 2010 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
Indeed
of course a % of them have some pretty serious bonus money to help them get by.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
didn't bo hart bartend & work at sears?
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
slu confirmed it right below
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
i remember bo hart worked at a sears as a shoe salesman
and i know one of the minor leaguers i’m friends with on facebook mentioned getting a job at UPS…it’s really just not that glamorous a life until you make it to the bigs. Apparently one thing fans never consider is the food spreads after games are much much better than even in AAA. I think it was the Stav infection who mentioned this.
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
gotfuckingdamnit gdm read others posts before running your stupidass piehole
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Wow
It’s hard to believe that the A-ball guys are getting $1200/mo and the AAA guys are only getting $2100/mo. The minors are a tough operation, man.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
it's still the greatest f'in job in the world
you get paid to play baseball, how awesome would that be?
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Considering I make
~1500 per month and I have to wipe asses and deal with bodily fluids, I wonder how hard I can throw a baseball.
"What's your favorite Chuck Palahniuk book?"
"I like the one about the alienated character who finds the socially unacceptable way of coping with modernity."
Fair -- the minors are tough, but they're still baseball
The early rungs of the medical professional are and always will be a tougher operation than AA baseball.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
I always thought I had a pretty good arm
I was at a Dave and Buster’s not too long ago and did the “see how hard you can throw this baseball” thing. Topped out at 70.
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 27, 2010 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
I hit sixty if I'm warmed up.
and I’m rarely warmed up. I’m the johnny damon of slow-pitch softball, and not the young, fast one.
Only hitting 70 was kinda disappointing
I thought surely I could throw the ball harder than a Tim Wakefield fastball
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 27, 2010 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
It's so slow
That it blows right past you
Only unlike a 100 mph fastball, his makes you look even more like a dumbass.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Those things suck
Unless you’re using a real radar gun, your reading is probably about as accurate as a blind guy playing darts. I tried a couple of “theme park” radar guns (once at a D&B’s, once at a ballpark) over the last few years when I was throwing 83-87 MPH and usually they’d read out in the 50s-60s. They’re a total scam.
So take heart. Your arm might not be as sucky as that thing says.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
Hmm
Maybe I actually throw it 110+?
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 27, 2010 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
I expect you to be a September call-up
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
Where can I get a real radar gun?
"What's your favorite Chuck Palahniuk book?"
"I like the one about the alienated character who finds the socially unacceptable way of coping with modernity."
Last I checked, a JUGS gun will set you back about $800+
They’re sort of the “industry standard,” if you will. My college program had one.
But you can get lots of different brands and variations of guns for a wide range of prices. I myself have never personally bought one, so I can’t really tell you where to get one.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
I decided to Google the price
And the first time I typo’d it to “jugs fun,” what with the proximity of the G and F on the keyboard.
I was momentarily startled by the results.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
all i know
is i can shot with jugs for a lot cheaper than that
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
Where can I see an accurate measure of how fast I throw a baseball for free or very cheaply?
"What's your favorite Chuck Palahniuk book?"
"I like the one about the alienated character who finds the socially unacceptable way of coping with modernity."
if you get a lrge sample
you could get something useful out of it
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
i guess
it would hard to tell exactly where the ball is released
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
depends how you define accurate
you could stand so far away from a wall and throw a ball at it and have someone stop watch it
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
this one
http://www.amazon.com/Bushnell-Velocity-Speed-Gun-Gray/dp/B0002X7V1Q/ref=pd_sbs_t_1
is cheaper and has good ratings
and isn’t recommended for ages 7-12
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
but it doesn't have flames on the side of it.
by CodyG on Jan 27, 2010 9:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
if the pitching mound were 75 feet
nobody would throw 90. you have to measure it from 60, or 46 if you want to compare to little league.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
huh?
where did this come from?
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Jan 28, 2010 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
huh?
zumaya didn’t throw 103 from 200 feet. he threw that from 60. i was just saying you need a baseline.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
well, i agree
it just seems like a strange place to insert the comments. what, right after discussions of the merits of flames on radar guns.
it is a good point, though
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
i think i was sbn'd
didn’t intend it there. but i’m having a few.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
what's "legit" playing time?
if he is truly recovered, meaning unaffected by the wrist problems, he will be with the big club, imo.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Way too optimistic on Pagnozzi.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
that's so f;in funny
cuz it’s true. Those projections for Pagnozzi would basically be a career minor league year for him, no?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
A couple of
covers that I would submit for your consideration
Down There By The Train- Johnny Cash covering Tom Waits nuff Said
King of Fools- Mike Ness
Don’t Let Me Be Misunderstood- Joe Cocker covering The Animals
Rainy Night In Soho- Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds covering The Pogues
"Lake of Fire" - Nirvana covering the Meat Puppets
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 27, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
Is it fair to count anything from the Unplugged album?
Everything from that album is transcendent… not fair to compare that to mere mortal covers…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
This.
No songs from Unplugged in New York are admissable as cover versions.
Make way for the Homo Superior.
by the red baron on Jan 28, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure there will never be another album
live or studio to top the Nirvana Unplugged album.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Brittany Spears covering "my prerogative"?
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
I CAST THEE OUT!!
/Rev. Lovejoy
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
I enjoyed Fountains of Wayne covering Britney Spears, "Hit Me Baby One More Time"
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Apple covering "Tablet PCs"?
I don’t get it: “A crappier version of a laptop….but you can attach a keyboard to type on this crappier version of a laptop!”.
But it’s better than a Netbook because………..you can’t type on it, is more expensive, has less processor speed, less HD space, and less memory. Okay.
Not afraid to nitpick
have you used a netbook recently?
if a hard keyboard is a requirement for you then of course it may be silly to look at the ipad but this thing will blow ANY netbook away in regards to web browsing experience and all hand on reports show that its smooth and fast in use. if you are looking for a light mobile way to take the web and media (books, movies, tv) with you on the go. the ipad looks amazing.
all that being said, i dont need either of those types of products
"Web browsing experience"?
It goes to the same internet. What can it possibly be delivering while surfing the web that a netbook doesn’t? Yes I have used a Netbook, it’s not really very different from any other computer I’ve used. I’ve certainly never thought “oh man, I can’t do [anything]”. The people I know who have Netbooks are either girls who can fit them in their purses to take notes or reporters/others who need a highly portable way to type. This does nothing for them. It’s not a “netbook killer” at all. Hell there’s Kindle PC if you’re in to reading books and typing.
It doesn’t cut into the laptop market at all; it doesn’t replace an iPod and even if it does for anyone it’s just cannibalizing their own stuff. It’s pretty much targeted to people with iHardons and then people who are rich enough to upgrade their iPod Touches (which are media players and have Kindle already) to be better media viewers but less portable (cannibalization again). Granted the iHardon segment might be somewhat significant, but to me this is either not practical or cannibalizing their own stuff.
Not afraid to nitpick
It's not practical, but I would totally use it in the kitchen like I use my iPod touch.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
But I'm not spending that kind of money for a giant iPod.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
I think they'll keep the price point close and just keep adding features.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
Eh, thats what they said about the iphone/touch.
I’d be willing to bet you can get one for $300 Christmas 2011.
We will also all have flying cars by then!
Ah, but will we be able to use our iPads to control our flying cars?
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
the deadline for flying cars is 2015
sheesh, i thought you people knew these things
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
holy hell that things looks stupid
itouch:ipad::normal hat::burt reynold’s giant novelty hat. Seriously, it looks like one of those oversized tv remotes you can buy for senile geriatrics suffering from glaucoma. I guess it could succeed if they intend it to be a niche product, but no way that thing is going to be an industry leader in mobile computing.
It's basically a big I Touch
Some of my friends were talking about how cool it was and I wanted to punch them in the face.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 27, 2010 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
having used a netbook
I think “less processor speed” is going to be a terrible way of describing the feel of this tablet. netbooks are running an OS that’s too complex for both the hardware and what most people do with them; if the iPad isn’t the perfect solution to that I think it’s the right first step.
Right now I use a laptop for everything, and as great as it is it’s falling apart already and I spent too much for specs I could have gotten on a desktop computer. I think the future for non-hobbyists is going to be an iMac-sized desktop at home and something like this—running iPhone OS, Android, Chrome, Windows Mobile, whatever—for portability’s sake. And for that an optimized OS/hardware/UI makes more sense than running Windows on a tiny screen.
I won't be buying this,
but I root for it to succeed, because I hate smart phones and I want something more powerful, but also something more portable than a laptop. I just want netbooks to be better, and I think this will spur that.
"What's your favorite Chuck Palahniuk book?"
"I like the one about the alienated character who finds the socially unacceptable way of coping with modernity."
I'm suprised you like this
You’re basically me, and I hate the idea of the I-Pad beyond all hell.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 27, 2010 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
How long is "already falling apart"
I’ve had my Dell for 3 years and it’s running strong.
Not afraid to nitpick
two+ years
I normally have good luck with computers—my last laptop lasted five without significant issue—but this one (full disclosure: a macbook pro) has chewed up a DVD drive and has some weird battery issue that I don’t even begin to understand. Basically, I’d like something that is both designed to do nothing more than I would usually do “on the road”, or away from home, and cheap enough that I can do that without fear.
Until I have a chance to look at one of these, that’s going to be a netbook, but honestly I’ve just realized there’s no need for me to own a full-sized laptop when it spends so much of its time on a desk.
what is the drawback to a netbook?
I need a reason not to buy one when this laptop finishes crapping out. It no longer plays DVDs, the audio drivers are gone, gone, gone. The touchpad irritates the hell out of me on a daily basis, and now my screen has started to be invaded by ever expanding lines of distortion.
You VEB’ers really need to help me out on this.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Doesn't have a DVD drive
Small Hard drive space but at least it can do normal computer jobs. Unlike the iPad which can’t even handle flash. It is just a big iTouch
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 27, 2010 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
Doesn't the iTouch play You Tube videos which are flash based?
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
it has a built in player for youtube but can't handle actual flash
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 27, 2010 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
I'm hoping this helps kill flash
Youtube’s already got a non-flash beta going that’s done up in standards-compliant HTML5—it’s apparently a cousin of the YouTube apps available for smartphones now. As a Mac user, the sooner I’m not beholden to Adobe’s terrible flash client, the better.
no offense
But I couldn’t see anyone buy an iPad except a fanboy. It is essentially 9 iPhones glued to a cafeteria tray
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 27, 2010 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not saying I'd buy it
but I don’t know why “it’s a big iPhone” is an argument against the iPad. The iPhone OS is an extremely capable operating system made for this form factor.
I own a Kindle, and I think the fewer places I can use the internet the more work I will be able to get done, so I’m not really in the target market for the first-gen model, but I think this is already a fine netbook replacement given what ninety percent of netbook users do with them.
i had a kindle
I liked the built in internet a lot but didn’t like paying so much for books. I just read to much for it to be worth it. I prefer the library. I don’t think it is a good replacement though for a netbook
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 27, 2010 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
the kindle certainly isn't
though I have to say, I love it for the exact opposite reason—everything out of copyright, which is probably half of what I read, is free.
This is a good read
and if you like free books check out Project Gutenberg
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 27, 2010 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
gutenberg is what I use
(actually, I use this guy’s distillation of gutenberg content.)
I’ll check out the hacks, though.
i found
this to be very persuasive. I think the notion that these will be more attractive than a laptop to the casual computing consumer makes sense. They’re cheaper. They have an intuitive interface. And with the iWork package make conducting business possible too. It really seems likely that they could kill the laptop as we know it.
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
why not though?
once this technology is refined, how is a laptop preferable?
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
it has the touchscreen one, plus the dock, plus blue tooth capabilities
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
But how is that convenient for a business person on the go?
I can just imagine all the parts spread out on the Starbucks tables.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
it would look pretty similar to
a laptop spread out on a Starbucks table, though, wouldn’t it? Only the case would be smaller.
Not really.
Separate keyboards and mice and assorted bluetooth accessories that would ordinarily be housed in one relatively compact housing.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
lets see
Why would I want a touch screen? Nothing really great about it. Not better than a mouse and keyboard.
A dock implying I have to hook it up to other stuff to get it to work.
Bluetooth? My laptop has bluetooth built in
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 27, 2010 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
so does this
the bluetooth capability he’s talking about is in reference to apple’s bluetooth keyboard.
GAH! i'm getting it from all sides
but it’s better than a blackberry. and really, carrying a small optional keyboard doesnt sound like that big of a hassle, especially when it isn’t even necessary.
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
But the question is what does it give you over a laptop?
It’s a little bit smaller (and a lot less compact when you have all of the add-ons) and it isn’t nearly as functional.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 27, 2010 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
can i just answer read the blog post?
tech debate+6 poker games+SOTU=multi tasking overdrive
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
the question for me
would be “what does a laptop give me over this?” If this or some future version is compatible with google docs, I think I’d be able to do most everything I do away from home on one of these things.
Basically, assuming I’m going to eventually replace my current laptop and my kindle with something else, and knowing that my next full-sized computer will be a desktop model—I might go for the 27" iMac and try the TV replacement thing—I can see 95% of my out-of-the-house needs being filled by one of these and a bluetooth keyboard.
I’m not a power user by any means, but I can’t think of any time in Apple’s history where they’ve started out going after the power users—they work in the opposite direction.
I think Mac's are just so over priced
You are paying essentially $600 for the OS. They use PC hardware now in days.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 27, 2010 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
for the price, you could get so much better hardware and an OS that you can do way more with
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
Well I use my laptop as my desktop at home
So I have all of my shit on it. I have a laptop and an iphone.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 27, 2010 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
I do the same thing now
but I’m increasingly dissatisfied with that solution. I’d rather spend the money I spent on a laptop this time around on two devices.
you guys need my setup
My desktop hooked up to a 56inch big screen with a bluetooth keyboard
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 27, 2010 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
I'll be doing the same thing next time
As soon as my 4+ year old laptop craps out on me, I’m switching to a custom desktop and a lightweight portable of some sort — possibly a tablet, but more likely a netbook.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
Can I query my Pitch f/x database on a iPad
Can I do any work with Word, or excel, or download a shitload of stuff of of the internet? Isn’t the typing going to be harder on a touch screen?
I don’t understand the point of the iPad at all. It’s too big to fit in your pocket, and has less functionality than a laptop. It combines the worst traits of the iTouch and Laptops.
Here is my question. What advantage does this have over a laptop?
by vivaelpujols on Jan 27, 2010 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
mad tv is (was?) the worst
rarely have I ever been more baffled about a show’s continued existence. was there really a market out there looking for a dumber version of SNL?
by DanUpBaby on Jan 27, 2010 11:10 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
it really was awful
The jokes were always just so over the top bad.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 27, 2010 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
I'll admit it
I liked the UPS guy skits, but mostly because I knew a dude who looked exactly like the guy and could do a spot-on impression
I'm reccing this harder than I ever have recced before.
"What's your favorite Chuck Palahniuk book?"
"I like the one about the alienated character who finds the socially unacceptable way of coping with modernity."
Yes there was
Except then SNL got dumber, so Mad TV no longer had a place in the market.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
Just looked at the specs for this thing.
No camera?! This device would be perfect for video-chatting. It’s effed up that the Nano has a camera and this doesn’t.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
Never buy the first gen
Because you never know what Apple with add to the second-gen iPad…
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
yeah
but they aren’t embedded in web pages
it’s a special app for youtube. not sure if it even uses flash like that
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
in my experience
they’re just not an enjoyable way of using a computer. It is clear to me, whenever I’m using momup’s netbook, which is a well-reviewed model, that I’m running software that isn’t designed for it. The experience just never feels right.
For a secondary computer that I could use away from home it would be (and is) fine; the battery life is great, the keyboard’s fair enough, and the internet’s fine. (The trackpad is awful, though I may just be spoiled by apple’s enormous multitouch models.) But working on one every day would be a noticeable downgrade. For me it’s nearer a smartphone experience than the full-sized OS would make you expect.
Get a netbook that runs a Linux OS like Easy Peasy which is designed for netbooks.
It’s pretty good. No DVD player built in, but external drives can be attached. If you don’t need the larger screen like I do, a netbook is awesome. And if you hate it, you can sell it for a decent price as they’re in high demand.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
I don't really need a DVD player
I just need something that I can mess around on the internets with, I don’t play games on it. Hell, I use this thing mostly for VEB and the like. I need to go look around for such a thing.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
a netbook is perfect for just surfing the internet
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 27, 2010 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
I use my desktop for most things. Hell, I might be a moar productive member of society
if I just let it die and move on, but that’s not gonna happen.
I also need to find out more about what my iPod touch can do. Did I read on here somewhere that it has a kindle-like app, or am I just losing it?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
ipod touch has an actual kindle app, I think
though I haven’t really played with it, and I’m not sure whether you can buy books from the store without owning a kindle or only sync them. I’m not sure if apple plans on porting the new ipad bookstore, but there is a ton of e-reading stuff in the app store.
I'll have to look into that
I’ve been thinking about getting a kindle, so would the touch actually have any use if I had the kindle, or would it be overkill? I’ll have to look into the app before I make any decisions.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
I personally loved e-ink
It really felt like I was reading paper. Reading anything else on screen gives me headaches. Especially something so not stop as a book.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 27, 2010 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
e-ink is great
it is perhaps too slow to do anything else, but on a one-function device like the Kindle it’s perfect. The app—I haven’t played with it much, so I might be wrong—is free, and it keeps the page you’ve stopped on synchronized between machines, which seems useful.
Shouldn't someone
be complaining about this whole debate yet? Anyone? It isn’t baseball, shouldn’t we hear some bitching from someone? Yoo-hoo…
Make way for the Homo Superior.
by the red baron on Jan 27, 2010 10:25 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I cannot believe I was just forced to read this comment.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
Yeah, sorry about that.
Pretty rough, I know.
Make way for the Homo Superior.
by the red baron on Jan 27, 2010 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
Stuff it!
Fritz said you were abducted by aliens, so as far as we know, this is an alien talking.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jan 27, 2010 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
That's fair,
but on the other hand, you also don’t know if perhaps it wasn’t an abduction at all, but rather a return. Perhaps the other Baron was the alien, and I’ve just been brought back following years of extensive probing.
Make way for the Homo Superior.
by the red baron on Jan 27, 2010 10:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think the apple discussion
falls under one or both of politics and religion
by DanUpBaby on Jan 27, 2010 10:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
haha
Honestly I was thinking it really is for me. The PC vs Mac thing is about strong as I feel about Democrat vs Republican. Actually I am probably much tougher on Mac users. Belittling them as people that know nothing about computers.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 27, 2010 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
god i love it, too
but i am toning it way down for veb
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Jan 27, 2010 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
But this works for me.
I am a person who knows nothing about computers.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Jan 27, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
Politics, no.
Religion? Absolutely.
And I for one think the iPad thingy is kind of an interesting idea, but I certainly won’t be buying one. Then again, I would never buy a Netbook because the space savings doesn’t justify the lack of features, I would never buy an iPhone because I hate typing on a touchscreen, and I have the base Kindle model that I only use for reading purposes. So really, it doesn’t matter what I think, because I am completely irrelevant to the demographic being targeted.
Make way for the Homo Superior.
by the red baron on Jan 27, 2010 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
re: netbooks
i never understood the concept of smaller = better
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Jan 27, 2010 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
that's not what she said
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Yeah, I don't really get it either.
Plus, I can’t type on them anyway. I have big hands.
Make way for the Homo Superior.
by the red baron on Jan 27, 2010 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
i used to own a netbook before their was netbooks
It was like 1998. The thing was a size of VHS cassette. Only good for programming but it was so hard to type on it.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 27, 2010 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
I have a powerful laptop that is so big it doesn't fit in my briefcase
I’m all for something small, light-weight, and modestly powerful on my next go-around.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
i want to bitch
but not because it’s non-baseball. just because it’s a wankfest over the newest overpriced and only moderately useful apple gadget
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Jan 27, 2010 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
mlb.tv available on the iPad
ads for it on the mothership frontpage. Bring it to the game to watch the game.
i already have that functionality
on my iphone
plus with the pad, i would imagine you would have to connect wirelessly which i doubt busch stadium provides
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Jan 27, 2010 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
you can get the 3G version
So you can pay another $30 bucks a month
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 27, 2010 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
oh, baller
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Jan 27, 2010 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
Bring it to the game to watch the--
Oh wait, you’re blacked out.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
but then
would you be “at the game” if they’re on the road?
Time for a new sig.
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 27, 2010 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
Also, if you want to listen to the radio at the game
It makes more sense to bring an actual radio. AM Radio are super small and cheap. I do wish though that MP3 players came with AM Radios. Never understood why they didn’t
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 27, 2010 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
some do
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Jan 27, 2010 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
Or your iPhone, if you have one
Much easier to have the iPhone in the pocket than the tablet sitting on your lap just waiting to get ruined by someone’s beer.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
Also:
Hurt – Johnny Cash. HFS®
and
Get Down, Make Love – Nine Inch Nails. Released as the B Side to Sin, it’s a cover of one of Queen’s lesser known songs and together make a helluva hot pair.
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
by The Continental on Jan 27, 2010 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
I need to edit down my sig, seriously.
I have more to put on there.
If I move the Molina sig to my profile and link to it, will I escape fiery robot death?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Tim Kurkjian points out that the DH is POINTLESS
because they want them to play the field now
soon, soon they will realize the AL is fake-baseball.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I agree with TLR on the DH.
Both leagues or no leagues. MLB should play with the same rules in both leagues.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
DH's take a big hit in money don't they?
As opposed to a 1b? I don’t have any research to back this up, but it seems that players that play defense get more money.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Salaries are trending that way but
the 2007 survey by the MLBPA had the DH position as the highest paid. 2008’s survey had the DH position as # 3 on the payscale. Link to more details. from a prior hot stove discussion.
they're saying there are fewer and fewer pure DH's
it’s being used as more of a PH
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
he would be a good bat off the bench
or we could rotate him to give days off to albert and our OF guys
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
He gets most of his value from defense
Not from his horrible bat. A bench guy I want to hit. We really don’t need defensive subs this year.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 27, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
i'm ralking about damon
randy winn signed with the yankees and is off the table
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
because
who else is gonna sign him?
of course if his price drops within our range, there will be a lot more suitors, but it’s a nice idea to think about
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
I still don't see how Damon doesn't get at least $6M
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 27, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
nothing against damon
but i’d love to see a big-time boras fail.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
i don't see who's going to pay that
maybe the braves? but i doubt they’d go that high right now. i wouldn’t be surprised to see him fall to 4 with some kind of option/buyout that brings the value up to 6
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
I could see the Tigers giving him $6MM.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I just read your signature for the first time.
It is magical.
They are rumored to be in the running and we know that they overpay…
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Maybe the Mets?
They still seem to have a hole in RF, not that I think his noodle arm can play there.
I’d also guess the Braves, Tigers and Giants have a spot in the OF where he’d fit in nicely.
It’s starting to look a bit more like we overpaid for Holliday.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 28, 2010 6:26 AM EST up reply actions
Repeat of Lohse and 2008
Silva gets a $48M contract and Kyle sits until the middle of ST waiting for a job.
that really sucks for him, stupid boras
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
sounds like Smoltz will return to the Cards if they want him
I think I would lean towards having him in the bullpen… what do you think?
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 27, 2010 5:14 PM EST reply actions
There has been a steady beating of this drum all offseason.
Especially by jd…
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I plead the fifth
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 27, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
yeah i don't get this at all
MO is saying he’s done, but you got a first ballot HOF saying I WANT TO PLAY FOR YOU! and MO’s just like naw, we’re cool.
they did the same thing for Edwards & i don’t get it. i just don’t f’in get it.
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Mo can only spend the money that DeWitt allows to be spent.
If we were to sign Smoltz, we would have virtually no payroll or roster flexibility. So, I can see the front office’s thinking. However, we will likely need that flexbility to address the pitching staff, so why not just do it now? As we discussed above, our system doesn’t have the prospects to allow us to capitalize on our flexibility mid-season.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
i completely agree with that
and BWIII said this morning Hollywoods still in play. i just re-listened to that to make sure i heard it right the first time. they really are just f’ing with everyone now aren’t they?
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
you just never know, until you really know
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
whenever there's a doubt, there really is no doubt
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
One good thing/bad thing (depending on how you see it) with Mo
there’s really any news in the media when a signing is underway. First we’ll probably hear of serious dealings with either player would be when they’re officially signed.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 28, 2010 6:27 AM EST up reply actions
I want to start an internetathon to raise money
for the Cards to sign Smoltz, and one of either Edmonds or Damon. I pledge $100 right now.
Time for a new sig.
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 27, 2010 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
that would be so sweet if the fans all got together and raised money for the team to sign a player.
of course then they’d just use the money to go sign someone we don’t want. thank God Ank and Dunc are already signed…
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
Don't we kinda do that by going to the games, buying mlb merchandise, buying Cards' stuff, etc etc?
I think I’d rather get something for my cash than line a mutli-millionaire’s pockets.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 28, 2010 6:28 AM EST up reply actions
This seems like a huge overreaction to me
1) The report is just some journalist who thinks Smoltz is leaning Cards, and could very well be a negotiating ploy by Smoltz’s camp to get him more money from the Mets.
2) Please show me where Mo has said anything like, “We don’t have interest in bringing back John Smoltz.” Ditto Edmonds. I don’t recall Mo ever saying either of these guys were off the table.
3) Even if Smoltz DOES want to play for the Cards, he undoubtedly has a price in mind. Money is an issue. If he’s asking for $10 million and is “leaning toward returning to the Cards,” well, bummer, we don’t have that, no matter how much Mo would like to sign him back.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
i think we're talking a reasonable 5 mil
some incentives
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
Yeah, I dunno what he's asking, but it's probably closer to 5 than 10
All I’m saying is that we don’t really know, we can only guess, and railing on Mo and Co. (that’s kinda catchy) before he’s even signed elsewhere or made public demands seems a little ridiculous to me.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
boom shaklaka
Edmonds reaction: Mozeliak said he was not surprised to learn that outfielder Jim Edmonds was negotiating a deal with two other teams.
Globe-Democrat.com reported Tuesday that the Cardinals were out of the Edmonds sweepstakes and that Edmonds would decide between the other two teams in the next few days.
“He is wanting to go somewhere where he has a chance to play,” Mozeliak said. “He would not get a lot of at-bats in our situation. Obviously, it’s not a good fit.”
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Nitpick:
It doesn’t say he’s not interested- JEd is likely to make more than the minimum and will get more PT elsewhere.
I thought there was a more definitive statement where Mo really said the JEd idea was dumb.
"What's your favorite Chuck Palahniuk book?"
"I like the one about the alienated character who finds the socially unacceptable way of coping with modernity."
that is nitpicking, but you don't really have to read between the lines
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
someone stole him?
kinda like someone steals a base? ( on freakin topic people!)(even baseball related!)
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
he's not missing, he just has a fwb to tend to
lucky bastard
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Looks like the Cards are going to watch Lowry throw
I always loved Lowry for no reason that I can rationally explain. I’d like to see him bounce back (and I’d love to see him bounce back in a Cards uni).
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
St Louis will never be Jaime Town.
by Mister Eff on Jan 27, 2010 6:39 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
and another
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
I don't get this reference
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
neither do i, but it's still funny sounding
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
jesse jackson overheard about ny
think jewish
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I once watched Lowry throw
but my chances of signing him for my AAA affiliate (the Monkistan Monastix) are slim.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 28, 2010 6:30 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Also, Keith Law has the Cards system at 29th out of 30th in the majors
It’s an insider article, but here’s the blurb:
The Matt Holliday trade cost them both depth and one impact prospect, and the Mark DeRosa trade cost more depth, while uber-prospect Colby Rasmus spent the year in the majors and no longer qualifies as part of the farm system. I may be underrating their 2009 draft, particularly USC catcher Robert Stock, who had a strong pro debut after a disappointing college career, and they do have power arms in the system, many of whom project right now as relievers.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
I thought we were 28th
Ahead of the Astros and White Sox
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 27, 2010 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
Law has the Astros at 28, the White Sox at 30
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
I find it hard to see the Astros ahead of us
their only top prospect is Castro, I thought, and he doesn’t count for much more than a B+ in my book. Even though he’s only 22, a 9% BB rate in AA and only 12 home runs in nearly 700 professional plate appearances doesn’t exactly scream great power potential, he’s not ridiculously young for his level (although catchers tend to age slower in prospect terms, I’ve heard, so he’s ahead of the game there) and he only threw out 28% of base-stealers in AA last year. I wouldn’t say he’s any more advanced as a prospect than Bryan Anderson was in 2007-08.
I like Jordan Lyles’ numbers from last year a lot but, as a 19 yr old in low-A, he’s probably not much more advanced than Shelby Miller.
The Astros don’t have the depth that even our depleted system does, as there’s a pretty big fall-off from their couple of B-level guys to the rest of the farm. Really, I think we’ve more depth and arguably as much (if not more) impact talent, too.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 28, 2010 6:36 AM EST up reply actions
did law ever interview for a position with the cards?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
he is right though,
the systems sucks
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
kind of
there’s no impact talent, but there is still loads of depth. loads of guys that project as useful MLBers. just none that can help carry the team
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
I am pretty excited about Stock
He is the new Bryan Anderson
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 27, 2010 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
i'm more excited about him
than i probably should be. if he repeats 2009 at a higher level, he could throw himself into top prospect talk
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
Freese & Craig have a good shot at being average (or slightly above) major leaguers sometime soon
outside of Castro, there’s probably no-one in the Astros org that you could say that about. Add in the likes of Jones, Jay, Descalso and Henley and there’s likely at least one more guy in AA or AAA who turns into an average guy, and we know we’ve got pretty decent pitching depth in the high minors. We’re bitching about Garcia maybe being the #5 guy in our rotation, with Boggs and Hawk as back-ups, but a lot of teams would be running that trio out as their 3, 4 and 5.
Yeah, outside of Miller and Stock there’s probably not a lot of high-ceiling talent at the low end, but I still think we’re better than the Astros. According to FanGraphs, their 3rd best prospect is a 24-year old Taiwanese reliever who’ll start 2010 in triple-A who had AA stats worse than 20-year-old Eduardo Sanchez in 2009, and their 4th best is a guy who struck out less than 6 batters per 9 in low-A ball.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 28, 2010 6:44 AM EST up reply actions
i should say
in the high minors at least
i’m still waiting for grabiel hernandez to make his way out of the dsl, to the states and turn into hanley ramirez
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
He is the dude that had mega amount of triples?
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 27, 2010 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
not sure
he had 10 triples in 259 ABs in the 2009 in the DSL
he’s just 17 and a SS that sniffed .900 OPS
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
so, i mean
that’s a lot of triples, but i don’t know if that’s who you were referring to
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
his BABIP
is pretty unrealistically high, but that’s pretty normal for the low minors. plus, he’s only 17. i think he’s a good guy to keep an eye on.
i dunno how reliable any of those stats are. i’ve heard that stats aren’t exactly recorded with much rigor once you get that low in the minors and outside the US
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
That is quite a lot of triples
So it at least says he has speed because it is the DSL. Pretty much the lowest rung of the minor league ladder.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 27, 2010 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
And our FO is saying we don't need anymore pitching
Apparently. Sometimes I really doubt the competency of the Cards management.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 27, 2010 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
And I do love the Cardinals organization, and I love their style
It’s just they seem to A) make a lot of bad moves, and B) not really have a clear plan.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 27, 2010 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
This is a critique of DeWitt, imo and not necessarily the front office.
DeWitt’s relationship with LaRussa has proven increasingly problematic as Tony has grown increasingly stale as a manager. The infighting that got Jocketty fired remains somewhat unresolved and it seems like an unhealthy tension rather than a productive difference of opinions.
Think; It's not illegal yet.
true but...
A) All teams make bad moves.
B.) Plans change. They won the division last year and have put themselves into a position to win for the next 3 years or so. Yes we need to restock in the minors. And they did that by signing Miller and Mateo. (ok, so Mateo didn’t work out). So I’m not convinced that they are moving away from the plan. Just seen an opportunity and took it. This opportunity still may turn out to be a really bad move. But at least for the next few years we should be fine. As long as the woodworkers’ shoulders stay together and …
We’ll I don’t want to jinx the “and” by saying it. But it would be worse than the Woodworkers arms falling off. Use your imagination.
plus
we’re gonna draft bryce harper in june, so it’s all good
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
you're not quite that evil?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
im a man of wealth and taste...
See. People say I ain’t evil. But they change their mind after I lay their soul to waste.
I really doubt the competency of the Cards press coverage
"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~
by YesWeOquendo on Jan 27, 2010 7:55 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
there ya go
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
I think Goold, Leach and Miklasz (yes, I actually like Miklasz) do a fine job
Everyone else ranges from questionable to plain annoying.
Bernie has his moments
But he’s not on the level of Goold. Leach is like a mini-Goold. I think Leach shies away from the advanced stats mostly because Goold has a niche in that area at a paper with other prominent writers, whereas Leach is pretty much the face of the Cardinals website and has to appeal to a more diverse audience than, say, Bird Land.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
it doesn't blow that hard though
law can’t be trusted when it comes to the Cards. he has an axe to grind
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
except that everyone else rates them similarly
and our resident #hgpf s all generally agree w/ law and the other rankings
you just overrate our prospects cause we talk about them all the time and you dont spend similar energy doing the same for other teams
resident what?
i agree we over rate our boys. but i think we are a lot more balanced than other fans.
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
hyperventilating geek prospect fraternity.
a strauss invention.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
by IHeartBoog on Jan 27, 2010 10:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
if i had a dollar
for every sarcastic or hateful reference strauss made to sabermetricians about spreadsheets and hyperventilating, i would have punched him in the face by now
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Jan 27, 2010 10:54 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
this doesn't really make sense
but I love it regardless
"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~
by YesWeOquendo on Jan 27, 2010 10:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It totally makes sense.
If he had a dollar for every Joe Strauss attack on SABRs and prospects, he would easily have enough money to buy his way out of an assault charge. Also a murder charge. And perhaps he could just buy his own island and make it legal to punch Joe Strauss in the face there.
Make way for the Homo Superior.
by the red baron on Jan 27, 2010 11:00 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
recs all around!
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jan 27, 2010 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
I think there's a by-law in Albertofstan...
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 28, 2010 6:47 AM EST up reply actions
but how do you lure him to Albertofstan?
is he even allowed?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
but when it comes to the Cards you just can't trust him
he’s proven over & over again he has an agenda against them. i for one will never believe anything he says until he changes his tune
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
This is bogus.
When has he ever shown to have an agenda? And what would be his motivation for an agenda against the Cardinals?
Think; It's not illegal yet.
I assume this is residual anger over his (pretty justified) Cy voting.
"What's your favorite Chuck Palahniuk book?"
"I like the one about the alienated character who finds the socially unacceptable way of coping with modernity."
I guess
I just don’t understand it. It seems like it’s been a consistent theme for a few years and I just can’t wrap my brain around it. Law is one of the most cultured and articulate baseball writers on the web. He can come across as abrasive but I just don’t get the accusations of a grudge against the Cardinals.
Think; It's not illegal yet.
He's a Cubs fan I believe.
I will check to find a source on it though.
He rated the Cubs system 7th in the majors. Maybe a bit biased?
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Yeah, the Cubbies system really isn't that good
I think you can argue it’s better than ours but it’s not by a huge degree, really. Vitters is looking like a huge bust, and, whilst I really like Starlin Castro, I don’t think Andrew Cashner is anything special, maybe a #3 type and probably no better than a Lynn or Garcia (his AA numbers were kinda crappy last year, in a SSS); actually, Lynn doesn’t sound like a terrible comp actually, though I’d probably rather have Cashner. Other than that, I dunno what they’ve got that’s so special? I like Christopher Carpenter quite a lot, and Brett Jackson looks like he might be very good, but none of these guys are exactly super-prospects. I don’t really see how this can be a top-10 system.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 28, 2010 6:54 AM EST up reply actions
I've never understood the Law hate either
He seems like the lone bright spot on ESPN to me.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
I don't consider myself a fan of Law,
but he could be (Burwell) worse.
"What's your favorite Chuck Palahniuk book?"
"I like the one about the alienated character who finds the socially unacceptable way of coping with modernity."
the day after the 06 WS was over he said the Cardinals were a bad team
fuck that guy, he’s an asshole that has to prove to everyone he’s the smartest man in the room. i say again, fuck that guy.
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
by gdm426 on Jan 27, 2010 9:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He is kind of a douche at times
But he’s a good analyst.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 27, 2010 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
Let's be honest
That 06 Cardinals team was possibly the worst team to ever win the WS. I loved it, and I’m not saying the players (and we the fans) didn’t deserve the championship, but that championship was the product of everything coming together at the right time. Not to mention that the Tigers basically coughed up the series to us.
My point being, from an objective POV, it’s hard to really fault him for saying something like that.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
the pirates beat the yanks
on mazeroski’s HOF homer in game 7, but the yanks dominated the run-scoring by some unfathomable number considering they lost the series
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
yes yes yes
can’t stand the mofo
i’ve exchanged some emails with him and he is just the biggest asshole
there’s also this little recap of a show that made me want to repeatedly punch him in the face while it was going on
the guy has some real issues with the Cardinals and it’s been painfully obvious over the years. i don’t care if he can rank teams and prospects accurately 10 years ahead, he’s still a major major douche
the cardinals WERE a bad team in 2006.
but they won the WS.
they were exceptionally good teams in 2004 and 2005 and nobody said “oh, poor cards, they should have won the WS.” i won’t apologize for our team winning the world series, but it doesn’t make the 2006 cards a good team.
if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus
c'mon, they weren't bad
they weren’t the pirates. undeserving teams may have won world series, but never bad teams.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
They were bad for a playoff team
And certainly bad for a WS winner.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
well, if you say it like that
waino wasn’t bad, though. got some memorable outs, no? hell, even that guy pitched game 1, beat verlander, thanks to oppo from apu…ah, the memories. we need some more.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
It was good times
I ran screaming through the streets and into Busch Stadium. I was hugging random people. It was awesome.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
That list seems relatively believable.
"What's your favorite Chuck Palahniuk book?"
"I like the one about the alienated character who finds the socially unacceptable way of coping with modernity."
i think
keith law is a goor writer if occasionally indignant and sefl righteous
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
To be fair
Almost our entire starting lineup outside of Holliday played in our minor league system at one time.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 27, 2010 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
So with the Yanks signing Winn,
I assume that their interest in JEd is also gone?
* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.
One would have to presume that
I’ll be so happy if we sign Edmonds and Smoltz.
I’m really liking the Cards moves so far this offseason.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
OT
i just finished making my way through six feet under. that’s probably the best ending to a series ever. i cried like a bitch
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
Six Feet Under is spectacular
it’s too bad that Alan Ball died a dignified death and had nothing to do with any vampire soap operas on premium cable
he will be missed
"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~
by YesWeOquendo on Jan 27, 2010 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
true blood is bloody good tv
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
HE WILL BE MISSED!
"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~
by YesWeOquendo on Jan 27, 2010 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
BLOODY GOOD TV!
come on spants, back me up on this
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
it's more than ok
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
SPANTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
I love True Blood.
But it is campy, just like the books it is based on. Not everyone’s cup of tea.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
i watched True Love
But it was just ‘meh’.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 27, 2010 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
Best watched in a tent
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
I'd say Kitschy and formulaic
but whatev
"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~
by YesWeOquendo on Jan 27, 2010 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
Everything is formulaic.
But kitschy is a good word for it.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
What are you talking about?
Alan Ball is not dead, at least, the Alan Ball who created Six Feet Under.
Time for a new sig.
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 27, 2010 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
his career died after Six Feet under
YWO was trying to fool himself.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Okay fine OT police(!!!!!11!), here are some recent sabermetric links for you guys to absorb and discuss
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/working-title/
My recent article at THT, looking at how much control pitchers have over aspects of pitching and a brief discussion of how Pitch f/x could be used to design a pitching metric.
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/blog_article/introducing-the-5-tool-analyzer/
THT announces it’s 5 tools visual pie. I don’t really see the point of it, but it looks pretty cool.
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2010/1/16/1255063/johns-farm-system-rankings
Cardinals have the 29th most valuable minor league system, based off of John Sickels’ rankings.
http://marlinmaniac.com/2010/01/25/nolasco-stretch-vs-windup-2-the-pitch-fx-returns/
A detailed Pitch f/x look at Ricky Nolasco from the stretch vs. the windup, attempting to find causation for Nolasco’s horrible splits last year.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10025/1030840-63.stm
Hey look! something Pirates related.
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/content/article/best-stuff-2009-rookies/#comments
Best stuff of 2009 rookies. Blake Hawksworth was 5th best at pounding the strike zone.
http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2010/01/how_do_pitchers.php
Cool and simple stuff by Dave Allen on how pitchers change their approach based on the quality of the hitter.
and later today
The Top 50 minor leaguers will be revealed on milb.com
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 27, 2010 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
Oh snap
That’s good. I’m working on analyzing the minor leagues of this intense keeper league I just joined and I’ve been gandering at old rankings. Thanks for the heads-up.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
YAWN.
Moar movie recs, please.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 28, 2010 6:58 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not a member there,
but you should tell them that their brief music use should qualify under fair use.
"What's your favorite Chuck Palahniuk book?"
"I like the one about the alienated character who finds the socially unacceptable way of coping with modernity."
i'd like to hear dan & rb do something like that
last season FR did & it was really good.
also i’m not a member there either because read what it says about joining. they dont enforce those rules very much, but i’d still get booted because, well you know.
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
why do you say that? i've read some stuff over there, not recently but the last few seasons
and i thought it was good
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
The content is great
But the comments there are very saber-groupthink. They don’t tolerate other points of view (even when they are actually correct), they are abrasive and vicious towards outsiders.
Some people like that, but I have a feeling you would not enjoy participating in LL.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 27, 2010 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
oh yeah the commenters would hate me
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
i would love that
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Matthew loves Graham so much.
Bromance.
"What's your favorite Chuck Palahniuk book?"
"I like the one about the alienated character who finds the socially unacceptable way of coping with modernity."
His audio books were great
Matt Damon reads them
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 27, 2010 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
Sounds like kind of a rip
How much did you pay just to hear “Matt Damon” over and over again?
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 27, 2010 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
Tonight I will watch
“You Can’t Be Neutral on a Moving Train” in his honor
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 27, 2010 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
no politics!
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
he put his spin on history & we're not supposed to talk about that kind of stuff here
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
what?
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
and noam chomsky is a just a linguist!
Hah…I enjoyed reading Zinn’s work – A People’s History was definitely an eye-opening take on American history that i think most Americans would do well to read, even if they don’t agree with it. But he did have a serious liberal bent. That being said, I don’t think the mere mention of a figure like him is enough to violate VEB’s ‘no politics’ rule.
it can lead to that though & we aren't supposd to go down that road
i’m biting my tongue big time here just seeing some say he was awesome when i believe the exact opposite. and that’s why we aren’t supposed to talk about stuff like this. i don’t want to get into a fight with anyone here, but especially about politics & religion because everyone has different views that they feel very strongly about.
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Someone mentioned he died. That's it.
Do you really want to be the guy that picks a political fight when someone’s favorite author dies? Who cares if you disagree with his politics.
I think Dan Brown is a hack writer and if someone was bummed he died, I wouldn’t be like “Dan Brown sucks.”
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
He IS a hack writer
Da Vinci Code was an interesting story, but told in a fairly uninteresting way. I thought Angels and Demons was a tad more interesting, but the Lost Symbol was dull, boring and omnipresent. It may also have been obsequious, purple and clairvoyant, only not. A college junior majoring in creative writing, with enough background reference books, could have written these books better.
Time for a new sig.
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 27, 2010 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
Oh he totally is. But I'm not going to be that ass if he just died.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
what I dislike the most about this guy
is that his full name and mine have the same ring. As a would-be writer of fiction I am honestly considering going by Daniel if I ever have something published, just to throw off the meter.
Dan Brown is tremendous at plot conception
But the whole writing part he should really leave to someone else.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
Dan Brown's
20 worst sentences. He’s also quite abysmal at history, and while he doesn’t purport to write historical nonfiction, you think he would at least try to not make so many glaring historical errors.
This one, too:
The Da Vinci Code, chapter 5: Only those with a keen eye would notice his 14-karat gold bishop’s ring with purple amethyst, large diamonds, and hand-tooled mitre-crozier appliqué.
A keen eye indeed.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
Maybe sarcasm by Mr. Brown?
Or does he really not know what keen means?
by vivaelpujols on Jan 28, 2010 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
6 and 7 for me
I don’t know if the mention of the mickey mouse watch is supposed to be some pathetic attempt at characterization or just utterly ineffectual description meant to take up space, but there is absolutely no valid reason for him to subject his readers to that detail.
Come on
he might’ve been a liberal but calling him “bent” is way over the line.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 28, 2010 7:01 AM EST up reply actions
Psych season 4 part two kicks off tonight on USA @10, 9central
i put this in the talk thread but everyone seems to be here, so you’ve been warned
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
I commented over there!
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
your talk thread that's not labeled a talk thread?
:p
you know, as much as I see the point of both sides, I don’t think anyone is taking into account the percentage of lurkers who are turned the fuck off by the regular posters taking over the space. there seems to be a strong, vocal vein of people who have made it pretty clear they don’t give two fucks about lurkers … without examining why they don’t comment.
I do not want VEB to turn into a little island of twenty commenters. As much as I urge lurkers to step the fuck up and contribute, the more you guys assert your GOB-given right to say whatever you want wherever you want because it’s OUR BLOG — that’s putting the clique before the community. And that’s putting VEB before baseball and the Cardinals, as far as I’m concerned.
If you guys can’t even give the OT thread a good-faith try, before the season starts, then duh, it’s not going to fucking work. That is why people are mad.
I for one am not going to hang around for too long if we can’t even keep on-topic during the game in the game thread. I’d rather move my schedule around and find a bunch of people who are actually watching the game. And I don’t think I’m alone in considering less participation if you guys are deadset on flipping off the mods in their own blog.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 27, 2010 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
I wonder how many lurkers were just turned off by your language?
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
well, obviously I wasn't talking to them.
they were probably turned off by the other 200 comments, which was way more uncivil than this one.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 27, 2010 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
but you're right.
I shouldn’t have lowered my tone.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 27, 2010 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
ok...it's time for me to drop some Solomonic wisdom and
resolve this problem once and for all. I decree that each and every post must be divided in half, so that it contains equal parts on topic and off topic content. For example: What we need is a platoon OF who can hit the cover off the ball against lefties, and hey, speaking of hits and covers…
Ah, the dichotomy of post.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 28, 2010 7:13 AM EST up reply actions
i'd be surprised
if the discussion isn’t more baseball oriented, when, y’know, there is more baseball to talk about than one rich hill signing per month
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Jan 27, 2010 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
I don't put too much stock in these reports
Hell, I don’t even put too much stock in what the organization says. At some point last year didn’t DeWitt come out and say that the Cards were under no pressure to make a move, that they were content to stand pat — and then they went out and got Derosa, Holliday, and Smoltz. When the season has started and Smoltz still isn’t on our roster, then I’ll believe it.
by mattyp on Jan 27, 2010 10:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I still think Smoltz will be a Cardinal
we need pitching, even if they don’t want to admit it right now for some strange reason. And I just don’t see Smoltz signing with the Mets. Maybe if some other team that has a solid post-season chance gets in the mix, then I might change my mind about this whole thing. I just see no way Smoltz ends up going to some crappy ass team just so he can get 20-25 starts to finish out his career.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jan 27, 2010 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
this is me talkin, not my sources
so chances are great that it will happen, no?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jan 27, 2010 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
honestly I understand this point
A Major League source said on Tuesday that there is sentiment within the Cardinals organization to hold back on any acquisitions until spring or even after Opening Day.
Their will probably be at least 2 decent starts off the tops of my head that probably won’t be signed before the season starts. Bedard and Wang. Both probably won’t be healthy enough to pitch by than.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 27, 2010 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
Does Smoltz want to pitch all year
or is he might he be waiting until April/May to sign so he has some gas left in the tank in Sept?
a la Clemens '06-'07?
there seems to be a tendency to overpay with things like that. Rocket was paid $12.25 mil by the Astros for 19 starts in 2006. In ’07, the Yanks paid him $18.7 mil for 17 starts with a career low in K% (6.18) and his highest FIP since 2000 (4.14).
I’m not saying Smoltz wouldn’t help the club down the stretch, but if he’s expecting to ride a white horse to shortened-season riches, I’d just assume he try it with another team.
Heaven has brick walls and St. Peter is a red bird.
by EinFesteBusch on Jan 28, 2010 1:18 AM EST up reply actions
i've never gotten any impression that's what he wants
but all i know for sure is he wants to be a cardinal.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
NY Post rumor
rumor from Adam Rubin this morning Maybe I’m the insider?
BY ADAM RUBIN
John Smoltz could choose not pitching over pitching for the Mets … at least for now. But Smoltz isn’t retiring yet.
An insider tells the Daily News he believes the 42-year-old Smoltz could follow the route Pedro Martinez went last season — wait and sign mid-season. That could give Smoltz a better opportunity to be at full strength late in the regular season and for any potential postseason activity
i think that's a little different
if he is forced to sit awhile rather than signing with the mets. if the cards offered him today, he wouldn’t choose to sit till midseason. he’d be at spring training…probably playing golf.
although i find it hilarious he’d rather sit than pitch for the mets. guess we don’t have to worry about them – do they even still want him?
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
The most hilarious one was Paul Byrd last year
like, yep, come May, EVERYONE is going to be clamouring to be involved in the Paul Byrd sweepstakes…
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 28, 2010 7:15 AM EST up reply actions
Based on the Holliday signing
I simply cannot agree with this sentiment
.The Cardinals are playing poker, and they’ve shown they’re good at it in recent years. They have demonstrated that they will not jump at a cost they do not like, even for a player they do like — preferring, rather, to wait until the price is better
Time for a new sig.
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 28, 2010 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
the price wasn't coming down, though
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Jan 28, 2010 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not surprised
though given Tanner Scheppers’ position I think Shelby Miller is or should be a top fifty-ish prospect on this list.
Health concerns.
If he’s really past his arm issues, then yeah, he’s definitely that good.
Make way for the Homo Superior.
by the red baron on Jan 27, 2010 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
Not really sure how a guy can throw 99 mph and still be considered as having shoulder issues
At least shoulder issues worthy of taking considerably lesser prospects ahead of him.
Not afraid to nitpick
read the extended list...not even a top 60
but seriously, I wasn’t expecting anyone under the assumption its based on current ability, and not upside or potential (like Miller). Who did you think was going to make it? And HFS Texas is stacked.
Not at all surprising, though disappointing certainly.
Really the only guys who had a chance were probably Shelby or Jaime, and both have enough issues they can’t really be included on there. Garcia is still coming back from injury, and Miller is just so, so far off. Two minor league starts just aren’t enough to know much about a guy. (Though I will say, if he were a Yankee or Boston prospect, I’ll just bet he would have made the list.)
Make way for the Homo Superior.
by the red baron on Jan 27, 2010 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
Pardon?
Make way for the Homo Superior.
by the red baron on Jan 27, 2010 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
Jarod took Miss Parker's last name
He was tired of Pretending
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 27, 2010 10:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
well TJ surgery should be able to get you knocked off the list, when he's going to be out for a year and a half.
Oh, I see what you mean.
And I agree. However, apparently the reports on his stuff are so glowing the listmakers think he’ll be worth it. Personally, I don’t like his mechanics at all, so I’m pretty lukewarm on him anyway.
Make way for the Homo Superior.
by the red baron on Jan 27, 2010 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
Daryl Jones could've had a shot at this list with a solid 2009
Alas, what might have been.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
He was 90-some in 2008 I think
but really, I agree with Rb above. I think Miller’s probably a top-100 guy, and you can make good cases for Garcia, and maybe one out of Jones, Lynn and Craig, but the quality of prospects from your 50+ to your nominal 200 is probably pretty similar, so there’s a LOT of subjectivity in these lists beyond that level. I think it’s utterly reasonable that we don’t have a top 50, though, as it’s really quite hard to see who that might be. I think even a healthy Garcia would struggle to make it to that level.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 28, 2010 7:18 AM EST up reply actions
sorry I didn't realise this was the mlb.com list until i checked the link...
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 28, 2010 7:22 AM EST up reply actions
HFS he's higher than Jesus Montero, after all the hype from the yankees
they made into the reincarnation of babe ruth.
Montero has absolutely torn the cover off the ball lately
honestly, I think he’s UNDER-rated by this list. I’d say he’s as good a pure hitter as ANYONE in the minors, obviously the fact he ain’t going to stick at catcher hurts him, but even as a 1B I think he’s got more ceiling than someone like Wallace.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 28, 2010 7:19 AM EST up reply actions
yeah I agree
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 28, 2010 7:18 AM EST up reply actions
colby was #10
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Jan 27, 2010 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
OT: i know, i know
i’m not out to discuss it. but does anyone know where i can watch the SOTU address online. has it been put up anywhere yet?
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
video won't be available yet
but when it is, huffingtonpost.com will have it.
Heaven has brick walls and St. Peter is a red bird.
by EinFesteBusch on Jan 27, 2010 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
it's on msnbc.com
if anyone else is interested
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Jan 27, 2010 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
lottery for Opening Day tickets
didn’t see any posting about registering for the two lotteries to buy tickets to opening day or the august weekend cubs tickets. LINK. Haven’t won one of these lotteries.
i'm starting to get tired of the lottery for everything
playoff tickets fine, opening day maybe, but AP autograph tickets for winter warmup and cubs tickets too? just put them on sale online fcfs
I'm writing a HOF induction speech for a public speaking class and looking for inspiration.
Any VEB favorites I shouldn’t miss?
Heaven has brick walls and St. Peter is a red bird.
Sorry, let me try again...
Class assignment: A special occasion speech approx. 4-5 mins. in length. Some people do an Oscar speech, a Grammy speech, their mother’s eulogy, etc. At this point, I’m leaning towards writing an induction speech and I’m just wondering who had some really meaningful ones that perhaps I could draw from.
Heaven has brick walls and St. Peter is a red bird.
by EinFesteBusch on Jan 28, 2010 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
Rickey says his speech was the greatest of all time.
I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...
by spants on Jan 28, 2010 12:50 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Actually Hickey's HOF speech was one of my faves and I hope Ein looks it up
humility from a narcissist is a memorable thing
"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~
by YesWeOquendo on Jan 28, 2010 12:56 AM EST up reply actions
I really like this line
My first year in high school, my favorite sport was football. I did not like baseball. My counselor bribed me into playing baseball. She would pay me a quarter every time I would get a hit, a run scored or stole a base. After my first 10 games, I had 30 hits, 25 runs scored and 33 steals. Not bad money for a kid in high school.
Heaven has brick walls and St. Peter is a red bird.
by EinFesteBusch on Jan 28, 2010 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
i heard someone jumped on stage, though
and said, sorry rickey, but (pick one)’s was the greatest of all time.
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
by cardball on Jan 28, 2010 12:59 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
D-minus on the execution I'm afraid...
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 28, 2010 7:23 AM EST up reply actions
hey, i passed!
"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."
you'd be surprised.
it’s a Gen Ed and for some people, that’s where their minds went immediately. i’m expecting a lot of very bad performances from this bunch…
Heaven has brick walls and St. Peter is a red bird.
by EinFesteBusch on Jan 28, 2010 1:22 AM EST up reply actions
That does seem weird.
For what it’s worth, I had to do a similar one of these things (idiotic project, by the way), and did the final words of a man convicted of cannibalism.
It was wildly unpopular. However, I felt I made my point about the foolishness of the idea in the first place.
Make way for the Homo Superior.
by the red baron on Jan 28, 2010 5:23 AM EST up reply actions
"Needs more salt."
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 28, 2010 7:24 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
One of our rules was we couldn't do eulogy of a classmate.
Because it had been a little awkward sometimes in the past.
I did a eulogy of New Yankee Stadium because it was the day after their home opener when the Indians won 10-2. Then as is Opening Day wasn’t enough they went ahead and pulled a 22-4 out of nowhere. Those were good times.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
oh, the possibilities...
I’d like to thank Teri Hatcher for presenting me. That was a surreal and confusing introduction, and a reminder to us all why they called you Ol’ Puke Breath.
Heaven has brick walls and St. Peter is a red bird.
by EinFesteBusch on Jan 28, 2010 1:27 AM EST up reply actions
meta OT: I am cleaning out the blogroll right now
Which has been on my list for the last several months. Is there anything else blog-upkeep-related that I should be doing right now, before I lose the momentum?
Programming an iPhone app?
Seriously, though, you could probably get rid of the link in the left column to the non-existent VEB store…
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
Is that Scott Rolen's blog?
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
absolute power corrupts absolutely.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 28, 2010 7:31 AM EST up reply actions
oh waddup lord acton?
/shamelesslydemonstratingiknowatleastalittlehistorysoicanstroketheegojustalittlebit
//whyisknowingslightlyobscurehistoricalfiguresworthyofegostrokinginthefirstplace
///godimaloser
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
Is there a tag function for main articles?
Categories are all sorts of convenient.
Think of the possibilities!
Pitch FX!
RB’s 2k10 Previews!
One act plays!
All in one easy to find location!
"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~
by YesWeOquendo on Jan 28, 2010 1:43 AM EST up reply actions
how would this be different from the "Read More" section?
Heaven has brick walls and St. Peter is a red bird.
by EinFesteBusch on Jan 28, 2010 1:47 AM EST up reply actions
You aren't fooling anyone
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 28, 2010 9:55 AM EST up reply actions

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