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Missouri's Highest Peaks: Cardinals at their Greatest

Over at Play a Hard Nine Erik christens his "Hall of Excellentitude" by discussing the Hall case of Keith Hernandez, erstwhile Cardinal first baseman and star of the [second] most-embarrassing commercials on national television. It's not a bad case; Hernandez is a major beneficiary of the re-evaluation of defensive statistics, gaining more than a hundred runs on the average first baseman and vaulting him from the Hall of Very Good for a Long Time to genuine Hall consideration. 

I might be a small-Hall guy, or I might just be underrating Mex because I'm young enough that my first memory of him is Seinfeld-related (though if anything I'd think this would make me overrate him.) But the numbers don't convince me, yet, that he's a Hall of Famer. 61 WAR, if you like that sort of thing, is pretty good—it's the line, for the Baseball Projection version of the omnistat, at which Hall of Famers and players who are maybe-I-guess Hall of Famers begin to converge. Mark McGwire (63) and Harmon Killebrew (61), meet Bobby Abreu (57) and Kenny Lofton (65). 

The borderline of any Hall of Fame is difficult to process; at the Hall of Merit, where people who know more about Dickey Pearce than I do about the 2009 Cardinals have met to create an alternate-universe hall, one in which the connotations of the word fame are not an issue, voters split almost immediately along one line.

At one end, the peak voters. As the no-brainer backlog of pre-National League baseball worked itself out they quickly took as a patron saint Hughie Jennings, a shortstop of the 1890s. Hughie, perhaps best known today for managing Ty Cobb in Detroit, or for being nicknamed Ee-Yah!, combined a high-average bat, a propensity to get hit with the ball (51, 46, and 46 in consecutive years and the all-time record of 287), and brilliant defense to put up a run equalled by no shortstop this side of Honus Wagner. For reference: his best five years, 1894 to 1898, total up to 41.3 WAR. Albert Pujols's peak, to this point, is around 45; Chase Utley's brilliant, ongoing peak 33. 

The rest of his career? 6.6.

Okay: Baseballs hurt, for one thing, and for another baseball at the turn of the twentieth century lent itself to long-term job security as internet entrepreneurship did at the turn of the twenty-first. Ee-Yah! fell off an Alomar-sized cliff in 1899, when an arm injury moved him to first base, and puttered around as a replacement player before catching on as a firebrand manager. 

On the other side, in those early faux-years at the Hall of Merit, were the career voters. They fought hard for players like Jake Beckley, an ageless first baseman who began his career in 1888 and ended it a St. Louis Cardinal in 1907. Beckley made the OPS leaderboard four times in seventeen seasons as a full-time player, and he never got higher than fifth; he played pretty good defense, was always at least average for a first baseman, and got hit with 183 pitches in his career, which would be more impressive if we hadn't started with Hughie Jennings. His "peak", such as it is, is 22.2 wins over five seasons. Ray Lankford's is 24.7. 

But over the rest of his career, Jake Beckley produced 39 wins. You can remove the best five year run of his career and end up with a reasonable facsimile of, say, Reggie Sanders

There are real baseball reasons to take these differences into account—that high peak will get you closer to a pennant, if for a briefer period of time—but a lot of it is also aesthetic and subjective. If I may borrow Erik's schtick, for a moment (and do it in a way that is both less visually appealing and less informative), it comes down to which of these graphs most represents the Hall of Fame to you: 

 

Star-divide

 

There is likely room for both Beckley and Jennings in the Hall of Fame, and Keith Hernandez besides—if it should come down to it I can't imagine the Hall would have trouble buying up one of Cooperstown's hundred baseball card shops and storing the Morgan Bulkeley and George Kelley plaques in there. But if a player isn't blessed with both a high peak and a long career, I'll take the peak every time. 

With that in mind, and having exhausted today's allotment of the will to navigate Baseball Projection and look up WAR totals, here are my five favorite St. Louis peaks Of All Time, presented here in a completely subjective order and with some worthy players almost certainly missing. 

5. George Sisler. The pride of the Browns is the borderline Hall of Famer to whom I am comparing Keith Hernandez in my head. His translated stats (still one of my favorite Baseball Prospectus tricks, an attempt to give numbers of all eras a reasonably modern look) make the young George Sisler out to be a supercharged version of Vlad Guerrero. However accurate they might be—I'm hard-pressed to imagine anybody, even someone who hit .353 in the teeth of the dead ball era, hitting .385/.420/.610 tomorrow—they evoke the excitement that contemporary accounts can't quite transmit this far into the future. He steals lots of bases at a high-risk rate; he swings constantly, and makes contact constantly; he hits line drives that fall for doubles and get stretched for triples. 

But more than any other player, save, maybe, Hughie Jennings, George Sisler's peak is brief and clearly marked. Having just hit .420 with 42 doubles and 18 triples in 1922 he had a bout of what was diagnosed as sinusitis that caused him to see double. He missed all of 1923 and came back, in 1924, as a shell of George Sisler.

Here, too, the translated stats tell a better story; Sisler did hit .345 one year after that, an incredible trick if his vision was still ruined, and his .320 average after 1923 is superficially impressive. But twenties replacement-level isn't quite as easy to spot, to our eyes, as the current model.

Alternate-world Sisler, having hit .373 and stolen 60 bases in 1922—2022?—comes back after a year off to lines of .265/.300/.404, .298/.323/.451, and .262/.297/.394. The power's gone; he loses his nerve on the bases; his fielding, predictably, goes from universally praised to a serious liability. 

Of course, as with Jennings, if he hadn't lost it so quickly and finally, we might not be talking about him right now. 

4. Jim Edmonds/Scott Rolen. Of course I couldn't separate these guys. So much about them is similar; there are so many opportunities to reuse copy. Scott Rolen and Jim Edmonds joined the Cardinals as mercenaries with uncertain Clubhouse Chemistry tags; it did not take them very long to become the kind of acquisition for which an authentic jersey is a worthwhile souvenir-stand investment. 

They were both great, but it's the way in which they were great that held my attention. Neither was a smooth defender, by which I mean that there were specific skills they had that came into play when a ball was hit their way, instead of leaving me with the general impression that they would run fast and glide to the ball.

I haven't done the research but I think an argument could be made that Jim Edmonds was the best slow outfielder who ever lived—I never believed it when my friends tried to convince me he was timing the ball to make all those incredible dives because I never believed that someone like Jim Edmonds could afford to slow down when he was stuck in center. But his grace around the ball, that ability to dive and leap and contort his body, gave him the extra step most center fielders already had, and his throws seemed to never miss the mark. (Okay, I lied—having gone to the WAR mines one more time I was impressed to learn that Jim's range (+45 runs) and his arm (+47) are almost identical contributors by at least one metric.)

When you're talking about center fielders this is like saying you've got a great prospect coming up who can hit knuckleballs, spitballs, screwballs but has a ton of trouble with the fastball. He had a collection of secondary skills and he somehow used them to be one of the best defensive outfielders of his era. I wouldn't be surprised if he's as bad an outfielder now as the metrics suggested in 2008—how did he stay so brilliant with that skill-set for that long in the first place?

And Scott Rolen just plays third base like I've never seen it played. He and Albert Pujols have in common incredibly quick reflexes on balls hit to either side of them—I realize it's a dead metaphor but they pounce when everyone else is just crouching—but Rolen is a beat faster and blessed with a catcher's arm. He plays third base like an outfielder who's not afraid of the wall, jumping all over the field, and I guess it shouldn't have been so surprising that Scott Rolen the Hitter couldn't keep up with the pace.

3. Bob Gibson. I'm sure this can be inferred from my writing, if you read here long enough, but I'll come out and say it: I have no particular attachment to the Cardinals of the sixties and the seventies. That era of baseball doesn't appeal to me like the decades before it, for whatever reason, and I had no personal connection to it; the baseball of the nineties is what I grew up with, and the eighties were what haunted that, and anything that happened before that but was filmed in color has always felt vestigial to me. 

But of course I had family members tell me about Bob Gibson, and of course I looked up the numbers. When you're doing that on snatches of baseball cards and old encyclopedias, instead of baseball-reference, the 1.12 seems no more real than Cy Young's win total or Ty Cobb's batting average. That it happened while my parents were alive did nothing to bring it to life for me—I just wasn't able to imagine it. 

We know the context in which it was achieved, now, and that dulls the edge, but if you asked me what a pitcher looks like, on a game-to-game basis, while his ERA is 1.12 I couldn't begin to tell you.

2. Mark McGwire. We know the context in which it was achieved, now, and that dulls the edge, but at this rate if you asked my theoretical children what a hitter looks like, on a game-to-game basis, when he is in the process of hitting 70 home runs they couldn't begin to tell you.

Everything about Mark McGwire's peak has distorted the way I think of baseball even now; it has taken this long for me to realize, finally, that a 450 foot home run is a long one, and not just something that happens once a series. Between his first at-bat with the Cardinals in 1997 and his last at-bat as the real Mark McGwire in 2000 he hit 191 home runs in 1440 at-bats. 

1. Albert Pujols. Albert Pujols ruined my big-peak object lesson from before the jump. His five worst years by that measure tally at 37 WAR; if that were his five year peak, and we put bizarro-Pujols on Erik's list of Hall of Fame first basemen, he'd place fourth, behind Lou Gehrig, Jimmie Foxx, and the real version of Albert Pujols. He's played ten years; eight of them are peak. 

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Well I guess we know

what you did over the weekend. Outstanding work as always.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 25, 2010 7:33 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I should have done something similar...

Instead, I watched my favorite football team rip my fucking heart out again….

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 25, 2010 9:08 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You must be a Vikings fan.

There’s just no way a Jets fan could make that statement as convincingly as a Vikings fan. I live in MPLS and am surrounded by a funereal atmosphere today. I liken the 12-men-in-the huddle call at the end of regulation to the Holliday nut shot. At that moment, you knew the Vikes were going to find a way to lose. It was just a matter of when and how.

by Cardaholic on Jan 25, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If Brett Favre just runs the ball instead of trying to force it to his receiver

The Vikes attempt and likely make a 45-yard (or so) FG. I wonder if Favre forgot about the last timeout?

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 25, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not defending Favre, but . . .

The Vikes don’t even think of calling a pass play there without the 12-men in the huddle call right before that.

Bret Favre being Bret Favre should be expected. The coaching staff not making sure that the right personnel package is on the field AFTER A TIMEOUT is inexcusable. Childress is an embarassment to this city, and I don’t even like the Vikings.

by Cardaholic on Jan 25, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

nope, he was just doing what he's done his whole career

and sometimes people forget that while it made him the career leader in TD passes, it also made him the career leader in INTs. I swear I called that pick. I said to myself – even after the 12 men penalty – they better run it and hope to get back into field goal range, because Favre’s gonna do something stupid if they pass. Sure enough….

by mattyp on Jan 25, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

As a Packers fan

the only feeling of surprise I had was that it took that long.

by Mister Eff on Jan 25, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

As someone who went to this game
I agree

by brackenthebox on Jan 25, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You can link in the subject line?

What witchcraft is this?

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 25, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's not a subject line.

Try to collapse it.

I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...

by spants on Jan 25, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You are a sneaky bugger

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 25, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Whenever witchcraft is involved bracken is never far away.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 25, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

lol

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 25, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

except

you know what we do to witches

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 25, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We celebrate them!

I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...

by spants on Jan 25, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I hate Favre

And before that play I said I would give our 6 month old puppy oral pleasure if Favre threw a Pick-6. I was really nervous when the Saints guy had a wall of blockers in front of him.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jan 25, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think they wouldn't even have been anywhere near the title game w/o Favre though

I was convinced they were going to win the game there for a minute….all he had to do was run as far forward as he could, slide, and jump up and call timeout. Longwell comes in for the 45-50ish yard field goal, and they’re going to Miami.

It’s amazing to me how close they came to winning that game with all the turnovers.

by nota bene on Jan 25, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly
It’s amazing to me how close they came to winning that game with all the turnovers.

As poorly as the Vikings played, coughing the ball up left and right, it was kind of embarrassing for the Saints how little they capitalized on the Vikings bumbling around like a bunch of pee-wee football players.

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 25, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think that's a testament to how good the Vikings D was

they were unbelievably awesome in the 2nd half. They kept getting the ball back to the offense, only to watch the offense cough it right back up.

Those two teams were really evenly matched. A 1-2 seed matchup, and it lived up to that.

by nota bene on Jan 25, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Reminded me of...

me…

I want the Walrus back...

by Paulspike on Jan 25, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

Except I’m usually screaming about why say “Carp would throw three fucking cutters in a row to Berkman. Three fucking cutters in a row. [Gargling sound]”

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jan 25, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i'm in new orleans

forgot myself for a moment and was screaming for him to run. surprised i didn’t get shot. the city would’ve burned last night except everyone was too drunk. not much getting done down here today. i was shocked to see even the mailman.

i wondered about that timeout too but concluded he didn’t forget.

couple questionable calls at the end, i thought. still, no way the vikes should’ve lost that game. for a team that never turns the ball over…amazing.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jan 25, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Nice post

 “if you asked me what a pitcher looks like, on a game-to-game basis, while his ERA is 1.12 I couldn’t begin to tell you.”

I grew up a Gibby fan. I was 10 years old when he posted the 1.12. In a word, that looked “unhittable.” Like Carp, only twice as good!

SD

by Gibby45 on Jan 25, 2010 8:11 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

+1

He was a fierce competitor, who challenged everybody, always. Like Carp on his best days, but Gibby did it every day.

PS If you had the opportunity to see the 60’s Cardinals, you wouldn’t forget them.

by madridbend on Jan 25, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I see where he's coming from, though.

He and I are the same age and Gibby is my dad’s favorite ball player ever. Even still, I have a difficult time trying to find a way to really get into those teams. I love watching footage of Gibson go at it, but there’s not a lot to identify with on those teams, it’s more of just a shock to read those stat lines and the facts about Gibson in that era. Three wins in a single World Series? A 1.12 ERA? These are other-worldly today, it’s hard to wrap one’s mind around that, for myself.

However, and perhaps it’s just the personalities, I’m able to get fully wrapped up in the Gashouse teams. I’m not sure why the 60s are any different for me that the 40s teams or even writing a half dozen research papers on Deadball teams. I’ve never felt that connected with the 60s-70s clubs.

by mynameistyler on Jan 25, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And in one of those year (1968 I think)

Gibby threw a few pitches with a broken leg after getting hit with a line drive – what a competitor

by CRay on Jan 25, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

you lost me

DanUp, when you said you preferred earlier decades to 60’s and 70’s Cardinal baseball.
Seriously? you prefer the 50’s Cardinals to the 60’s ? Three pennants , two world championships in the 60’s and a near miss pennant in ‘63. I agree the 70’s were a disappointment tho.
For me all I gotta do is see a picture of Gibby pitching and falling off the mound and the look on his face and I see Hall of Famer no doubt—He wouldn’t even talk to teammates on the All-Star teams he was on.
But it definitely was a different era—1.12 era and he still lost 9 games that season.

How about that 1963 infield—The Cardinals had the starting infield at the All-Star game,
Bill White 1b, Julian Javier 2b, Kenny Boyer 3b, Dick Groat SS and the game actually meant something back then.

Plus the name of this website hearkens back to Cha-Cha Cepeda’s time with the Redbirds in late 60’s as he called the team El Birdos.

I’m not dissin you DanUp I like your posts, i’m just sayin for me the 60’s Cardinals are right there with the Gas-House Gang, the 40’s dynasty and Whiteyball.

"How can a Mexican lose the ball in the sun" ? Harry Caray

by bigchieftootiemontana on Jan 25, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

=1

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going

by sportsman on Jan 25, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The Cardinals are coming ...

To me, the sixties Cards were better than any other crew. Part of what made them special was the time – almost radio only. We didn’t have 150 channels of TV … maybe 5 or six max. I remember listening on the radio nightly; Harry Carey and Jack Buck. I remember keeping score when Gibby through a no hitter. No free agency. There was long term tenure with a club. Brock, Flood, Cepeda, Javier, Maxville, Shannon, McCarver, Maris (’68), Gibson, Carleton, etc. Who could forget Harry Carey singing "the Cardinals are coming Juli, Juli, Juli Juli? " The team was fun to watch, and had tremendous talent throughout the decade. Dan, you are missing out here …

SD

by Gibby45 on Jan 25, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

absolutely

and it was a transition from the musial era without skipping a beat.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jan 25, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe

the 60’s version was not as wild and storied as the Gashouse Gang, but I posted the same lineup a few weeks ago, and it brings back fond memories of a really solid team. Our 2010 version doesn’t have quite the same aura, especially at 3B obviously. Has anyone read the Gashouse Gang by Heidenry? Picked it up a while ago, and it is on the night table, next in line to be read after I finish Kinsella’s The Further Adventures of Slugger McBatt. In the whole is Roger Angell’s season Ticket.

by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Jan 25, 2010 10:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

wat

I dispute you on the aura. Every era has its own flavor, and given that the team has finally coalesced into the post-MV3 world… these guys are ready to battle together. I like ’em. This generation will have as many fond memories of them as any other.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 26, 2010 4:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i prefer this one, but i'm kookie like that

oh & if Gibby was like Carp only twice as good, i’m shocked anyone ever had the cojones to step in the box

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 25, 2010 9:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I prefer this one.

I am the Batman .
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by CodyG on Jan 26, 2010 12:24 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

As your and my usernames imply

our love of the Cards began with Bob Gibson. I had two posters on my wall as a kid in the sixties, Gibson and Brock. I fell asleep almost every summer night in the sixties listening to Cardinal baseball on KMOX radio. Caray’s and Buck’s voices in those days were my elixir and mana; even when I was tired, I had to stay awake to hear the end of the game. And going to the games, probably 15 times a season or so, was heaven for me. Those times with my father were the best, and I will never forget what it was like to watch Gibson pitch, or to see Brock take a lead off first, knowing, as everyone else in the stadium did, that he was going to steal second, and there was not a blessed thing the pitcher or catcher could do about it.

Time for a new sig.

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 25, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Doppleganger

Same posters, same memories. Are you my twin, separated at birth?

SD

by Gibby45 on Jan 25, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i had gibson and maxville

kmox was the radio equivalent to tbs and wgn, spawning cardinal nation.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jan 25, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It was amazing

there I was, 60m north of Toronto, and in my bedroom with my puny 1960’s transistor radio, I could on good nights, pick up that station and listen to the Cards games. Who were the broadcaster’s then, Jack Buck? Amazing. Also, I forget the call station of the Chicago music station that I used to listen to, WGLS, broadcasting with 50,000W? Even when I worked up n north in the bush way north of Sault Ste. Marie, we could still get that station. Summer of 68, Jumpin’ Jack Flash, Magic Carpet Ride, Born to be Wild, etc. Finally, listening to a Buffalo station broadcasting Niagara State basketball games with Calvin Murphy scoring 50 points against St. Bonaventure and Havlecik, or something like that. Awesome.

by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Jan 25, 2010 11:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Jack Buck and Harry Caray...

before Caray went to Oakland, then the White Sux, b4 winding up with the little bears. KMOX was a blowtorch, pushing 50K watts, which is why most of the midwest west of the Mississippi was Cardinal country, since the Cards were the only team west of the big river prior to the Dodgers moving to the left coast b4 the ’58 season.

Time for a new sig.

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 25, 2010 11:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It still amazes me

that on that puny little radio, I could pick up that station, although it depended on the weather. Post game interviews were great. But while you are saying MW west of the Mississippi, I wonder how many people north of Lake Erie and Ontario were catching that station. Certainly, in hockey oriented Canada, I was the only kid in town listening to baseball. Also, I resubmit, I think that that Chicago music station was WKLS?

by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Jan 26, 2010 12:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

a teeny bit on the radio with Razzers

getting used to “all the eyeballs” on him once he was in the big leagues
apparently no one told him about the media. or youtube.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 25, 2010 8:26 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I see the remix which implies

there is an original version but I just can’t seem to make myself remember that…

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 25, 2010 8:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Original

VEB Acoustic (hhahaha cody ramos)

I promise, if I ever come across the dude in the STL ‘night life’ this will be the only question I ask him…oh and “why the dorky glasses?”

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Jan 25, 2010 9:03 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The "Cody Ramos" guy actually did two versions

The other one is under the name Corky Ramone

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jan 25, 2010 9:04 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

omg. that'd be epic.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Jan 25, 2010 8:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

he did meet whatsername

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 25, 2010 9:06 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I can only assume you mean Geiger?

And if so… how could you forget that?

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 25, 2010 9:09 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

haven't had coffee yet

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 25, 2010 9:09 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I haven't gone to sleep yet...

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 25, 2010 9:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Geiger posted a pic of them here.

I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...

by spants on Jan 25, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

hey

give the kid a break, yadi2. they don’t have that stuff in alabama.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jan 25, 2010 8:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I wish I could find the clip

because only in Colby’s voice can justice be done to that quote

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 25, 2010 8:51 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Very nicely done Dan

Nice way for me to start my week!

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 25, 2010 9:45 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Rogers Hornsby?

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Jan 25, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hector Luna?

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 25, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Tino Martinez?

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 25, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i always called him Tito

just because

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jan 25, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Rajah

Not a shabby five year peak for Hornsby 1921-1925
.402/.474/.688/1.162 he led the league in all those stats for those five years plus he led the league in 1920 as well . So what if he urinated on his teammates legs in the shower!
Besides he was my dad’s favorite player that he saw play.

"How can a Mexican lose the ball in the sun" ? Harry Caray

by bigchieftootiemontana on Jan 25, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Greg Maddux. . .

reportedly gave teammates the golden shower, too, but he was considered a mirthful prankster.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 25, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

never heard that one before.

gross. but it gave me a chance to google it and find this gem of an article from 2004 addressing the issue of Pete Rose and, tangentially, the current Big Mac dilemma.

Money quote:

The epidemic steroid use at all levels of organized baseball is not about one guy. The disparity between small- and big-market teams is not about one guy. It’s about everyone on the field, everyone in the stands, and everyone who watches on TV or listens on the radio or gives a damn about the game.

Heaven has brick walls and St. Peter is a red bird.

by EinFesteBusch on Jan 25, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm watching some of the superdome videos

apparently playing extremely dorky music during orgasmic victories is the thing to do in all sports venues

did any of these people learn basic music theory? tempo? taste? can they spell catharsis?

bring back the organists.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 25, 2010 10:28 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

(no arguing with the jazz at the end when the crowd had already ramped down)

just the whole deal with killing the buzz before it even starts

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 25, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

no doubt

http://twitter.com/jeffduncantp/status/8195920036

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 25, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

When the game ended and they showed a clip of Bourbon St going completely insane

A guy I was watching the game with summed up all our thoughts: “Man, I wish I was there. I would be so drunk.”

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 25, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's awesome.

I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...

by spants on Jan 25, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

how did I miss

that the Pirates owner is Bob Nutting?

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 25, 2010 11:18 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

the right-hand

that drives the nutting operation?

by WyoCardsFan on Jan 25, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Assistant owner.

I’ll ignore that there is no such thing, so as to not ruin a perfectly executed pun.

I groaned while reading it, but reluctantly. It was that good.

by arch support on Jan 25, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good article Dan

I have always felt peak value is the the true test of a Hall of Famer. Not Hall of played a really long time at an above average rate. I think a Hall of Famer had to be absolute dominant for at least 5 years.

by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 25, 2010 11:27 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Pedro Martinez

He’s the best example of someone who was dominant over a relatively short stretch of time, who is practically a lock for the Hall of Fame. Pedro was dominant for about six or seven seasons. His overall victory total is lower than a lot of his contemporaries, but I believe Pedro has a better shot at the Hall than both Mike Mussina and Andy Pettite.

"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Jan 25, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Pedro had a few

Super Dominant years. The highest single season ERA+ in 2000, and 2 other in the Top 20 of all time.

by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 25, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Pedro's 2000 ERA+ Better than Gibby's 1968 ERA+

I didn’t know that Pedro’s ERA+ in 2000 was 291, while Gibby’s ERA+ in 1968 was “only” 258.

"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Jan 25, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good One!

Milt Pappas won a lot more games than Koufax. Would anyone in their right mind say that Pappas was a better pitcher or that he deserved to be in the Hall of Fame?

"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Jan 25, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Who is the best Jewish pitcher of all-time? For 200, Alex

Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...

by nomar34 on Jan 25, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Jason Marquis?

/ducks

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 25, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

RAHHHH!!!!

>=8/

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Jan 25, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

There's a bar that I frequent that has a huge poster with the Red Sox stats from each year

I always end up looking at his stats in that peak and am just completely baffled by it. I can’t fathom how he put up that stretch despite my following baseball while he did it. 5 years in a row with FIPs under 2.25. Unreal.

by brackenthebox on Jan 25, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

pedro is first ballot

no question.

personally, he was the best i ever witnessed.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jan 25, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm an either/or

guy, myself. You can get in the HOF with being very good over a very long period or otherworldly for a significant peak., IMHO.

I consider myself to be a small-HOF guy, too, FWIW. My initial impression when looking at the stats is that Mex isn’t even particularly close to the HOF.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 25, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hernandez Not Quite HoF Material

He was the best defensive first baseman I have ever seen. Hernandez was really good at throwing the ball, too. Steve Garvey wasn’t good at throwing because of a separated shoulder he suffered early in his career as a third baseman.

I don’t feel Hernandez put together quite enough good years to be in the Hall. He did share an MVP with Stargell in 1979 while winning the batting title. He was a major part of two world championship teams. He didn’t get enough hits and wasn’t dominant enough at his peak over a short stretch of time either to warrant being in the Hall

"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Jan 25, 2010 12:10 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I must say

For a guy with a bum arm, I’ve always been impressed with how well Albert throws the ball. He seems to have pretty pinpoint accuracy.

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 25, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He's got a good arm.

I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...

by spants on Jan 25, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

wonder if he could have been a great third baseman if not for the elbow issues.

by nota bene on Jan 25, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Looks like Oakland wants SHEETS

According to Buster.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Jan 25, 2010 12:31 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

what makes you say that?

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Jan 25, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

They need starting pitch, very badly

They have the money to spend for him.
They have a huge pitchers ball park. A good place for a guy to restart his pitching career on a one year deal.

by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 25, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

if Minaya

doesn’t pull something out of his ass this year he is gone anyway so might as well throw some money at Sheets…

Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...

by nomar34 on Jan 25, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Crap, now the sidebar says the Mets are talking to Smoltz.

Guess he fits in pretty well for the same reasons as Sheets.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Jan 25, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I can't imagine Smoltz going to the NL East

Mets v. Braves would be uncomfortable

"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~

by YesWeOquendo on Jan 25, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

As uncomfortable as the match-ups betweent he two

after Glavine left Atlanta for the Mets?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 25, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Why we don't just sign Smoltz is beyond me

It makes too much sense, I don’t get it.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jan 25, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i'm with you on this

why the dancing around?

by d-dee on Jan 25, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

me too

i thought they said that the figures were closer than they expected, what the hell then, why no development as of yet with skip?

by d-dee on Jan 25, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What's the rush?

Who knows, Mo may be working the phones on other FAs what with Skip’s deadline, i.e., the date of arbitration proceedings, still not upon us.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 25, 2010 5:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I like turtles

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 25, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I love lamp

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Jan 25, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Man I feel sorry for Johnny Damon

He is getting no offers what so ever. The Yankees are the top bidders for $2M. It is not like he would even take a draft pick since the Yankees didn’t offer him arbitration. For $2M I would absolutely want Johnny Damon on this team.

by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 25, 2010 12:57 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

LaRussa has already called to see if Damon thinks he can handle 3B

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 25, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The horror.

I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...

by spants on Jan 25, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

it's a world where Scott Boras is their agent

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 25, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Rick Ankiel won't. . .

get a better deal than Johnny Damon.

Write it down.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 25, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Of course not.

No matter the money, Ank is playing for the Royals.

I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...

by spants on Jan 25, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This just in

Johnny Damon signed by the Pittsburgh Pirates for $2.5 million plus a $4 million team option for 2011 to be their backup outfielder and left-handed PH. Now, who’s deal is worse?

Time for a new sig.

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 25, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yuck.

And also not going to happen.

I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...

by spants on Jan 25, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

mind you, I think I’d rather have Damon in 2010 for $6m plus, I dunno, Branyan/Lopez, Sheets & Smoltz (or a closer) rather than Holliday for 7 years at $16m per.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 26, 2010 6:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

meh. i'm pretty sure the yanks offered him a year + an option which was much more generous.

damon just overestimated the market for an aging OF. i don’t feel bad.

if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus

by tom s. on Jan 25, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i don't feel bad, either

(except for the hangover), but i’d feel better if damon was a cardinal for 2 mil. if nothing else he could be traded.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jan 25, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

would Damon accept signing with the Cards

when we have Holliday/Rasmus/Ludwick? He’d be the 4th OF.

by nota bene on Jan 25, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

it's just a dream

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jan 25, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If we did that

I think Ludwick is getting traded. Also, we would be very bad in right field…

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 26, 2010 6:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We live with my grandparents when I was a kid.

My grandpa gave me a framed 8×10 glossy of the ‘68 Cardinals team. He told me stories about the players. I hung that photo on my bedroom wall, right over the butterfly Grandpa’d painted. It’s probably still hanging there.

I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...

by spants on Jan 25, 2010 1:28 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

He also gave me a sticker of my favorite Cardinals logo.

I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...

by spants on Jan 25, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

this is the logo i grew up on!!!

i was pleasantly surprised when i saw they started using it on shirts, and whatnot, again…

Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...

by nomar34 on Jan 25, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

When did they start doing that?

I haven’t seen anything in a really long time.

I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...

by spants on Jan 25, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I have a pennant with that logo on it.

I completely agree. Absolutely THE BEST Cards logo in their long history. It looks just like the franchise acts (mostly). Regal, honest, and respectful.

You know what I just now noticed? That bird has 2 toes on his right foot and 3 on his left.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Jan 25, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I like it

I think they could try to modernize it somehow. I’m not a graphics person so I don’t know the technical details or whatever, so pretty much I’m talking out of my ass—-but that in a more 2010s style would be bad to the bone.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jan 25, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Needs a Cow!

;=8)

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Jan 25, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The bird doesn't like to talk about that traumatic incident.

I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...

by spants on Jan 25, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

a small bear?

:o

/gratuitous emoticon

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 25, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

it's the alfonseca breed

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jan 26, 2010 1:45 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

i think that went over a lot of heads

still, I gives you a recs!

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 26, 2010 6:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

thank you, sir

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jan 26, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Firefox 3.6 has something called Personas (skins, basically)

There’s one that uses this logo.

I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.

by The Continental on Jan 25, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks!

I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...

by spants on Jan 25, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I had this logo plastered all over my school books

they came out as vinyl sports stickers, maybe 5 or 6" square. Loved them.

Time for a new sig.

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 25, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah that is an awesome logo

much as I love the B’s on bat, that cardinal just has so much attitude. He really rocks.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 26, 2010 6:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

WTF kind of link is that?

I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...

by spants on Jan 25, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

OOPS....

I had a vin on my clipboard from work

linki

* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jan 25, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Link fix

Link fix

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 25, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This whole thing is bullshit.

Was A-Rod forced to admit that taking steroids made him a better hitter? Did Manny? No and no.

I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...

by spants on Jan 25, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

I don’t get why they are singling McGwire out, I guess he’s just an easy target because he disappeared for a while and then came back… but A-Rod and whoever was taking steroids after the steroid era should be the ones people are complaining about.

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 25, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

they have nothing else to write about.

ST’s still a good month away and there aren’t many big names left on the FA market. Sure, if Mac was making as many headlines in May as he is these days, it would be a distraction. But once the season starts, they’ll leave Mac alone and start beating up on the rest of the team.

Heaven has brick walls and St. Peter is a red bird.

by EinFesteBusch on Jan 25, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

when Maris broke Ruth's record

it didn’t go over well at the time, because Maris only had the one freak season, whereas Ruth was, well, Babe Ruth. Mantle was the fan favorite, and Maris wasn’t. When McGwire & Sosa begin chasing the record, they were both “white hats” (Barry Bonds would be the ultimate steroid-era “black hat”).

Mac and Sosa were feted as heroes by the media, then later revealed to be frauds. McGwire retired before the other 60+ HR guys. That meant he was up for HOF consideration before them. And that’s why it’s McGwire, the tragic hero, getting the national media shaft, the demands to apologize to pitchers, Jack Clark calling him a creep, etc. The process of deciding whether a guy with 583 HRs is going to be in Cooperstown or not is what has set all this off.

A-Rod and Pettitte, I have no explanation for. Wearing pinstripes means never having to say you’re sorry, I guess. It makes me angry that the national media decided it was OK for the Yanks to win the World Series (more important than a museum) in 2009 without steroid sanctimony, but McGwire gets the Pete Rose treatment.

In other words, it’s all media narrative horseshit. The only thing that will slow it down is actual baseball being played. Everybody will forget all of this by the All-Star Break.

by nota bene on Jan 25, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Timing

To me, there is a very big difference between current players and McGwire. Pettitte and A-Rod were exposed during the season, so the revelation was swallowed up by coverage of the season. McGwire confessed in the dead of the baseball news year, mid-January. There was essentially nothing else to write about, in terms of baseball, but McGwire. So, seemingly every columnist spouted off. Additionally, it was right around HOF time, so that angle was also explored, with HOFers chiming in, as well.

As for Sosa and Bonds, they are completely removed from the game and fans’ and writers’ consciousnesses. As a result, they don’t get figuratively tarred-and-featered in print and on T.V. as much as if, say, Sosa or Bonds tried to return as a manager or something. (Obviously neither would ever do that, but you get the idea.)

McGwire mandated his confession by accepting the job as hitting coach, once again becoming an active member of the baseball fraternity. The timing of it all meant that there was no baseball actually being played to allow people to move on. So, we are stuck putting up with the news story that will never end. At least until the regular season starts up again.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 25, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

one thing about A-Rod

he never had the hero tag applied to him; if anything, he was a villain. The quarter-billion dollar contract, the epic regular season numbers and sketchy postseason play, etc. Jeter was the white hat guy in New York, not A-Rod.

So I think you’re right, the timing of Mac’s auto de fe is key, but I also think it’s cause in 98 everybody made McGwire out to be Paul Bunyan. Then when you have Paul Bunyan himself tearfully telling Bob Costas he juiced, there was this fallen-hero thing going on too. It’s the fall from grace aspect that really brings out the bile from people like Rosenthal, because those are the guys who bestow the grace upon the players in the first place.

English majors could probably do a better job with this than I am….(still don’t have an explanation for Pettitte.)

by nota bene on Jan 25, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Here's an explanation for Pettitte

He doesn’t hit homers, and has no chance of any home run records. So the media couldn’t care less.

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 25, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

A good point.

Over half of those who have tested positive have been pitchers. Funny how that gets left out. How many dingers did McGwire hit off of roided out pitchers?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 25, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

58?

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Jan 25, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

How many roided out pitchers struck him out?

I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...

by spants on Jan 25, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+1000

Does Rosenthal have a Twitter account? I want someone to ask him and all these other self-righteous, sanctimonius jerk faces to explain the double standards. I’d like to hear someone at least attempt to rationalize it.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Jan 25, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

but they're going to call hypocrisy when we boo Manny

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 25, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If I booed people I would have booed Manny before the steroid thing.

I just don’t like that guy.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 25, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

well done.

that gets a rec from me.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Jan 25, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think this is my only non-funny comment to go green.

Or maybe that’s subjective.

I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...

by spants on Jan 25, 2010 6:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, well I think Ken Rosenthal needs to apologize.

How about that Ken?

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 25, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions   3 recs

To All of Us as Well...

:=8/

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Jan 25, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i have a ken doll

i use as a pin cushion. voodoo should work from here in new orleans.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jan 25, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

this should be greeeeeeeeeeeen

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 25, 2010 9:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yawn

excuse the anthropomorphism, but it’s like they irrelevance its own column

by mattyp on Jan 25, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

didn't even notice.

i was too impressed with the use of “anthropomorphism”

Heaven has brick walls and St. Peter is a red bird.

by EinFesteBusch on Jan 25, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd like to punch Rosenthal in the mouth.

I don’t think either of us are going to get our way.

I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.

by The Continental on Jan 25, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

fuck that assclown

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 25, 2010 9:47 PM EST up reply actions   3 recs

baseball needs another Bob Gibson

everything I have read about him or heard about him makes me realize that I missed something special. easily the best Cardinals pitcher of all time.

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 25, 2010 2:14 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

In a lot of was, Albert is like Gibson.

As awesome as they both are (were), it is going to be their competitive drive that is remembered as often as their stats.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Jan 25, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yup

at least we get Albert

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 25, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

who's that batter?

looks like the Yankees uniform, but it doesn’t look like Yankee Stadium. 422 to dead center? Is that Detroit?

by nota bene on Jan 25, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Gibson is wearing white.

So either Sportsman Park or an all star game at an NL city.

by Mister Eff on Jan 25, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

looks like mccarver possibly catching

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jan 25, 2010 6:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

world series 1968

"How can a Mexican lose the ball in the sun" ? Harry Caray

by bigchieftootiemontana on Jan 25, 2010 6:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

norm cash?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jan 25, 2010 6:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

nope

now i think it is 1964 WS and that is Mantle swinging lefty

"How can a Mexican lose the ball in the sun" ? Harry Caray

by bigchieftootiemontana on Jan 25, 2010 6:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I was wondering about that

maybe it is Yankee Stadium….can’t recall what the view from home plate looked like though.

by nota bene on Jan 25, 2010 6:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The unis indicate it can't be Yankee Stadium.

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by spants on Jan 25, 2010 6:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Gibby

is quite youthful looking in this photo

"How can a Mexican lose the ball in the sun" ? Harry Caray

by bigchieftootiemontana on Jan 25, 2010 6:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

sportsman's park

I say in 1964 but it was called Busch Stadium then
here is the original dimensions of that palace
Dimensions: 360-L, 430-C, 335-R (original), 351-L, 425-C, 310-R (final)

"How can a Mexican lose the ball in the sun" ? Harry Caray

by bigchieftootiemontana on Jan 25, 2010 6:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Problem solved.

link

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by spants on Jan 25, 2010 6:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

you all really disappointed me with this pick

it’s one of Gibby’s most iconic pics

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 25, 2010 9:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

tough but fair?

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 25, 2010 9:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I was pretty sure. Just wanted proof.

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by spants on Jan 25, 2010 9:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

my uncle had the SI that was first in

i looked at that thing every time i went to my grandma’s house. i hope he still has that & it didn’t get thrown away

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 25, 2010 9:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think it's Sportsmans Park, too.

Hasn’t Busch always had curved walls? That’s a flat wall out there.

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by spants on Jan 25, 2010 6:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

By 1964

Sportsman’s was called Busch, same place—
the new park built in 1966 was Busch 2

"How can a Mexican lose the ball in the sun" ? Harry Caray

by bigchieftootiemontana on Jan 25, 2010 6:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

P.S.

this looks like a useful resource.

Some of these are hilarious. The 1925 Yankee Stadium diagram is hard to believe.

by nota bene on Jan 25, 2010 6:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Babe Ruth should apologize.

He hit all those home runs in that park?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 25, 2010 6:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

OMG you weren't kidding.

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by spants on Jan 25, 2010 6:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

puts a premium on speed

gotta have a stud center fielder, and you are just going to have to live with the inside-the-parkers. And your infielders better know where to run to take the relay.

by nota bene on Jan 25, 2010 6:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Why even bother with that LF notch?

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by spants on Jan 25, 2010 6:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

not a clue

wonder if there’s a gate back there in the corner for the grounds crew or something.

by nota bene on Jan 25, 2010 6:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Fixed
wonder if there’s a gate back there in the corner for the grounds crew carnies or something.

* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jan 25, 2010 6:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I mean

I know parks had goofy dimensions back then, but assuming that diagram is accurate, that makes Enron Field look almost reasonable.

by nota bene on Jan 25, 2010 6:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's what I dislike, though.

The old stadiums were oddly shaped because city real estate was so hard to come by. They had to fit a ballpark into an odd space. Hence, the Green Monster and the porch and Yankee Stadium. When you can pretty much get as much land as you need, there is no need for odd shapes, nooks, crannies, overhangs, hills in center field, bandboxes, or whatever. That’s why I love Busch III. The goal was to have a neutral stadium for watching baseball. And I think they did pretty well at realizing that vision.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 25, 2010 6:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

I don’t think baseball stadia need to be totally uniform—one of the charms of baseball is how weird and non-metric-system everything is—but there’s a limit to how much you want the field to influence the play.

by nota bene on Jan 25, 2010 6:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Lets see the Ruth HR spray on Hit Tracker...

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 25, 2010 6:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously.

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by spants on Jan 25, 2010 6:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

left handed

power hitter

"How can a Mexican lose the ball in the sun" ? Harry Caray

by bigchieftootiemontana on Jan 25, 2010 6:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

a couple more goofball designs

I was completely unaware Wrigley ever looked like that. 436? In Wrigley? Were there not any stands out there?

by nota bene on Jan 25, 2010 6:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

they sure played a mean pinball

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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 25, 2010 6:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

man i loved the polo grounds

i so wish i could have been around to see games played there

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by gdm426 on Jan 25, 2010 9:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This is a good site too.

Wrigley
lets you mouse over each year to see how it changed

by nrichar2 on Jan 25, 2010 6:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Our clues:

Gibson played from 1959-1975. the Cardinals instituted red home caps for the 1964 season (and have had them ever since). The red, white and blue piping made its first appearance in 1971. So, the game was played between the seasons 1964 and 1970. Sportsman’s Park was the Cardinals’ home from 1920-1965 with Busch Stadium opening the 1966 season as the new home of the Cardinals. It opened as a natural grass stadium, switching to articial grass for the 1970 season. We know that from 1966 through 1972, the walls were padded concrete. If I had to guess, I’d say Sportsman’s Park in 1964 or 1965.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 25, 2010 6:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I had the same hunches as you.

But rather than type that out, I Googled “Mickey Mantle Bob Gibson,” clicked on Images, and front page was a Getty Images link. http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/89644449/Sports-Illustrated

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by spants on Jan 25, 2010 6:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

you out google-fu-ed me

I was looking for images of Sportsman’s Park, and then for Bob Gibson.

by nota bene on Jan 25, 2010 6:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah I googled screwed

I found the picture somewhere else that said it from the 1968 World Series than tried to confirm it. Eddie Matthews was a left handed hitter that wore number 7 and played in the 1968 World Series.

by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 25, 2010 6:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This is a wonderful segway into a question I have:

How in the heck can a regular person order an image from the SI vault on gettyimagines.com? I’ve tried to order a Willie McGee photo before, but it won’t let me.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 25, 2010 6:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Do you have an account?

If so, and it still doesn’t work, then you may have to go through Sports Illustrated. I really have no idea.

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by spants on Jan 25, 2010 6:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I tried to start one, but I'm not a newspaper editor.

It’s really annoying. I don’t even know how to go through SI, since their searches take you to gettyimages.com.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 25, 2010 6:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm...

Let me look into this.

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by spants on Jan 25, 2010 6:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Here's the process I trick myself into:

Click on SI Picture Sales on the main page and it takes you to this:

http://www.gettyimages.com/Editorial/Frontdoor/SportsIllustrated

Obviously, a Getty Images-hosted page. I typed in “Willie McGee” and get this sweet Willie McGee photo, but how do I order it?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 25, 2010 6:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow. The process I followed

for a different McGee photo can’t be followed for that one.

Getty recommends emailing them: sales@gettyimages.com

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by spants on Jan 25, 2010 6:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

OR

You can acknowledge that the photo isn’t cleared for your usage and buy it anyway.

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by spants on Jan 25, 2010 6:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I tried that.

And the cost is really, really high.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 25, 2010 6:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm worried it will be like the NY Times photos,

where an 11 × 14 costs $200. But, I’ll see. Thanks for the help, spants.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 25, 2010 6:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, a photo of retired Ozzie and Willie just standing there was $299.

You won’t be able to do this cheaply without eBay. Or a garage sale.

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by spants on Jan 25, 2010 6:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Right.

I got a really cool one of Ozzie doing a backflip that is going to be hanging in my office. It’s just that Willie McGee photos are really hard to come by.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 25, 2010 6:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm finding A TON of stuff on eBay.

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by spants on Jan 25, 2010 6:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

OK.

It looks like they sell to professionals only. BUT, you can order a print for wall display. When you find the image you want, you click Calculate Price or View Pricing. It will ask you a series of questions. I guess buy it as if you were displaying it in your office. Keep answering their questions. You should be able to pay with a credit card without having an account.

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by spants on Jan 25, 2010 6:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah. I did that.

And it told me that, to buy that print for internal wall display, it would cost me $1,113 and change. Ridiculous, Getty Images!

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 25, 2010 6:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

cheapskate!

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 25, 2010 6:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I've got some sweet Ozzie, Gibson, Musial, and Dean photos.

What I need is a sweet Willie McGee photo (and those are hard to find on ebay).

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 25, 2010 6:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously,

here is a bitchin McGee photo.

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by spants on Jan 25, 2010 6:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

There are MANY McGee photos.

There are 16×20s for BuyItNow $25.

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by spants on Jan 25, 2010 6:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Or

this one, which is even cheaper.

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by spants on Jan 25, 2010 6:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Last one.

This one is BuyItNow for $80 and it’s autographed. Great photo.

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by spants on Jan 25, 2010 6:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Click the link and use eBay!

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by spants on Jan 25, 2010 6:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The sig looks legit compared to other images.

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by spants on Jan 25, 2010 6:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It kind of looks like it.

The catcher, Willie and whoever is on the dugout step are all looking up, but not straight up.

Let’s check B-Ref. They’re in Milwaukee. It’s a fly ball for sure. What did Willie do in Milwaukee?

2 HR in Game 3, his only hits that game. One was for sure to deep RF, the direction the guys are looking.

In Game 4, he singled and GIDP.

In Game 5, he singled.

So unless MLB authenticated a photo of McGee popping up, I’m guessing that was one of this two HRs.

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by spants on Jan 25, 2010 7:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, both HRs were to deep RF.

His only other fly ball was to LF in Game 4. This has to be one of the HRs.

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by spants on Jan 25, 2010 7:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ozzie.

I can tell by looking, but I checked B-Ref.

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by spants on Jan 25, 2010 7:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sweet

time for a little post-MLK Day gift giving!

by Mister Eff on Jan 25, 2010 7:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

In Game 5, Oberkfell batted after McGee.

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by spants on Jan 25, 2010 7:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

here is one

where Willie barely looks like Willie

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 25, 2010 6:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

the walls are definitely different

this one is from the ’68 WS, and it does actually look like the wall curves, as compared to the ’64 WS.

damn, spants has a helluva eye

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 25, 2010 6:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think Baseball Historian would be my dream job.

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by spants on Jan 25, 2010 6:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Have you seen the post (I can't find)

where a guy tries to figure out what baseball photo is on the cover of the newspaper in The Maltese Falcon? Pretty great. I love stuff like that (and this subthread).

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 25, 2010 6:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You guys are sad

That is Mantle vs Gibby at Busch Stadium I (Sportsman Park).

Shakes head at the group.

by Hardcore Legend on Jan 26, 2010 12:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

analyze this sir, hint it's a number six.

I am the Batman .
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by CodyG on Jan 26, 2010 12:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Looks like a Giant, but that could be wrong.

Busch I.

Wish I could see a bit more of the batter’s #. His bat and arms remind me of Albert.

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by spants on Jan 26, 2010 1:50 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

something made me think of cleon jones

really have no idea, though.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jan 26, 2010 2:00 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think the batter's skin looks too light to be Cleon Jones.

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by spants on Jan 26, 2010 2:06 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i saw albert too

really close actually

R.P.O.F.Y.M.

by BVHeck on Jan 26, 2010 2:00 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Okay, so there's a patch on the right sleeve.

Hmm…

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by spants on Jan 26, 2010 2:07 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think it's either the Mets or Houston.

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by spants on Jan 26, 2010 2:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

OR the Yankees.

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by spants on Jan 26, 2010 2:12 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, could be Chicago.

That first letter looks quite round which would rule out New York and Houston.

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by spants on Jan 26, 2010 2:31 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If you found

this gif on this page, I don’t think this batter is the same as the lower batter, who is wearing #6 and is probably Clete Boyer if it’s World Series footage. The reason I say this is that #6, whoever he is, doesn’t have a patch on his right sleeve like the guy in this video. Further, #6 is moving his bat much more and has it in a different position.

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by spants on Jan 26, 2010 2:29 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It is Willie Horton

his batting stance is very similiar to Alberts. It is from Game 1 of the WS in 1968.

by Hardcore Legend on Jan 26, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What's up with the outfield wall?

Busch II had rounded walls, and the Cards are clearly the home team here.

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by spants on Jan 26, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Looky

here.

I still think that it’s Sportsman’s Park in that .gif.

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by spants on Jan 26, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Nope. It's Busch II. Weird.

Gibson against Kaline.

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by spants on Jan 26, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

is that the final answer?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jan 26, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Dude!

Gibby blew the batter’s arms off with his fastball!

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 25, 2010 7:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

dizzy dean?

to hearken back to the short run of HOF dominance, a la koufax

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jan 25, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Pedro Martinez?

Granted, Gibby didn’t have a midget consigliare (that we know of), so the comparison breaks down if you look too hard at it.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 25, 2010 2:23 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

And this is why we've been so OT lately.

This qualifies as baseball news, people.

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by spants on Jan 25, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

it is sad

I flipped through all the pictures only to find out they were only of the girl. I wanted more baseball pictures!!!

by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 25, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

no shit

girl’s missing the parrots on those gigantic hoop earrings
i want moar baseball pictures

by d-dee on Jan 25, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

She is an excellent example

of why women should not get their lips done. Take note Meg Ryan!

Time for a new sig.

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 25, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i don't know if her lips are done or not

but i hate it when women push them forward like that when they know they’re being watched. look ridiculous. either you have those lips or you don’t. don’t try that hard, you’ve got other assets.

by d-dee on Jan 25, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Check out pic #26, and tell me her lips aren't done

Either that, or she’s mouthing the words as she’s reading. And even if she is, her lips are still done.
link

Time for a new sig.

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 25, 2010 9:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

She's had a nose job.

I’d bet 100 internet dollars she’s had her lips done.

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by spants on Jan 25, 2010 9:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Penny's calves

look like their in the best shape of their careers coming into ST this year

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Jan 25, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

damn

something very sexy about a girl like that with a baseball glove. (The monster earrings are a little over the top though.)

Wait, what were we talking about?

by nota bene on Jan 25, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The size of her...

…mitt.

Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.

BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS

by vexedtechie on Jan 25, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I can't see her release point.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 25, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

clears throat

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jan 25, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

this is probably NSFW

given my work’s firewall blocked it as “adult content”. It really needs a NSFW tag.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 26, 2010 6:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

fuck me

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 25, 2010 9:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

fuck yourself

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jan 26, 2010 1:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

what does it say about one person when they don't even want to do that?

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 26, 2010 3:07 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i'm still trying to figure out the sound of one hand clapping

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jan 26, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don;t know what this is supposed to mean:

JEFF GORDON
The current pitching staff relies too much on youth, since Jason Motte is still a X-factor and guys like Mitchell Boggs, Blake Hawksworth, Jaime Garcia and even Kyle McClellan still have so much to prove. The current bench lacks lefty pop and real defensive depth at CF and 3B. Supply and demand favors the Cards, however, so John Mozeliak has the luxury of sifting though many modestly priced options to address these needs.

by Mister Eff on Jan 25, 2010 3:31 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

haha

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Jan 25, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Duh! Them thar NASCAR drahvers dun know nuthin' bout no basebaw.

(note, I am a NASCAR fan and am DYING for Daytona to get here…)

Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.

BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS

by vexedtechie on Jan 25, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

....

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 25, 2010 9:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"I needed something to write"

No JG translator on Google, so I handled it for you.

by sdrone on Jan 25, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well he really isn't that wrong, sorta

I would like more depth in the starting rotation. Signing another reliever seems to be just an over priced venture. But we do lack depth at CF and 3B. I think Colby and Freese will be fine starters but I am not so sure who will back these guys up. I still think we need another CFer. I don’t really care about the left handed bat part. Since this team has hit RHP so well the last couple of years. He is right about the supply and demand part. The market still has a lot of available talent left. The prices are dropping and players are going to start getting very desperate very soon.

by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 25, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

we hit RHP just fine

but we really struggle against lefties. One of the reasons I’ve been clamoring for Floppy is because he’s a switch hitter (something the Cards could really use more of) and he hits lefties well. (And I’m less optimistic about Freese….)

Pretty much, as the roster is constructed right now, you have Skip and Colby coming from the left and that’s it. Everybody else is a righty. If I were another NL Central team, I would be looking to load up on LHP cause it’s an obvious team weakness.

by nota bene on Jan 25, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Our team as it stands now should hit lefties just fine

We could run out a lineup of:

Lugo ( R )
Ryan ( R )
Pujols ( R )
Holliday ( R )
Ludwick ( R )
Rasmus ( L )
Molina ( R )
Freese ( R )
Pitcher ( probably R )

Alter batting order as you please.

That’s a lot of righties.

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 25, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

point fail

Dots Miller for HOF. 'cuz a name means everything!

by Oedipa Maas on Jan 25, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

?

if the whole roster, sans skippy & corky, is right-handed, why would they load up on LHP?

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Jan 25, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

sorry

worded that poorly. As a team in 2009, the Cards OPS vs RHP was .773, vs LHP it was .674. Obviously I don’t think that’s related to being RHB-dominant. But whatever the reason is, we do struggle against LHP.

Being heavily skewed to one side at the plate is a separate issue, I guess, but it still makes me nervous.

by nota bene on Jan 25, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Duncan, Ankiel, Thurston

Combined to go 46 for 205 (.224 BA) against lefties last year…that was probably a big part of the problem.

Of course, Rasmus hit .160 against lefties last year, so there’s that. And Schumaker got 100 ABs against lefties for who knows what reason.

I dunno. I’m just not that worried about it. We seem better equipped to handle lefties this year.

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 25, 2010 5:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

that translated batting stat looks really cool,

but according to it babe ruth hit 986HRs in his career, the babe still amazes me to this day.

I am the Batman .
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by CodyG on Jan 25, 2010 4:21 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Flim,

you should do a FanPost or FanShot so that folks can access it on the main page for longer.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 25, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you

I got a lot of positive feedback for that one.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 25, 2010 7:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I liked the Lannan one also

I guess that was kinda a follow up, but I’ve always been a bit perplexed by Lanna and his apparent success despite being below-average in pretty much every respect.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 26, 2010 7:01 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

O/T

So I got a new computer last fall, and decided I’d put my old one upstairs. I use two monitors on this one, so I needed another monitor for the old one. Fine, first week of December I go to Office Depot down the street here and get a 22" Ativa brand flat screen for $150. Not bad.

So Friday I go to use that computer and the monitor won’t turn on. Hmm, I think, maybe it’s the cable. I try switching out several power cables, nothing doing. Not acknowledging it’s getting power at all. So I take it back to the store. 14 day return policy. The manager explains to me that anything bought between T-Day and Xmas got a very special extended warranty, which unfortunately in your case ran out on Jan 9th. So I’m standing there in the store, holding this POS that lasted 13 days longer than the return policy. And that manager was a dick. Completely unsympathetic. Told me to call the manufacturer and see if I could get anything out of them, and just walks away while I’m still pleading my case. What an asshole.

So I looked up the manufacturer that night, turned out it was after hours for the help line. Ominous sign: Ativa does not mention monitors anywhere on their website. Call the help line today, turns out Ativa is actually part of Office Depot (which that douchebag store manager surely had to be aware of). Phone call was actually pretty pleasant as such things go, I only spent a minute or two on hold. So I have to fax in a copy of the receipt and in 4 to 6 to 8 weeks they’ll send me a $150 gift card to replace the monitor.

As long as I don’t get totally screwed out of $150 in the end, I won’t stay mad about it, but the power supply on consumer electronics should last longer than six fucking weeks. That’s just shitty manufacturing, no two ways around it. So I’m going to permanently avoid setting foot in Office Depot for anything else, except to redeem that gift card. (I always used to get Office Max & Office Depot confused too…..not any more.)

/vent

by nota bene on Jan 25, 2010 5:16 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

interesting read

I thought about filing a BBB complaint, I may still if they drag their feet on getting me this gift card.

by nota bene on Jan 25, 2010 5:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i had someone jerking me around for two months

for a laptop i sold online, they won’t send me the check
finally, today i got so pissed, i mentioned BBB and look here, email within the hour a la we apologize “Your payment is going to you via USPS First Class Mail.”
we’ll see

by d-dee on Jan 25, 2010 5:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

get a quote, they send you ups box

you send in ups box, they send you check
i’ve done it before with no problem, cause you can track it through the entire process
they confirmed it arrived and everything but dragged their feet
not with me!

by d-dee on Jan 25, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

you need to go back to office depot and ask for the same manager

and then very politely make a very loud scene
i think you you’ll get an exchange without having to ship anything anywhere

by d-dee on Jan 25, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

luggage him

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jan 25, 2010 5:32 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

i would personally try a different Office Depot

I would actually check online to see if any Office Depots have it in stock. Than just ask for for an exchange.

by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 25, 2010 5:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

seriously

the guy turned his back to me. It was 7 pm and I’d worked outside that day. I wasn’t really in the mood for arguing.

I do think I made it clear I wasn’t going to come back and give them any additional business.

by nota bene on Jan 25, 2010 5:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i can't believe you didn't raise your voice

i would have gone berserk someone turning their back on me like that
he’d be lucky if he got to keep his damn job

by d-dee on Jan 25, 2010 5:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think you have to raise your voice

I am normally just overtly polite and just stern. One time Best Buy tried to screw me over and I called the President of Best Buy why I was in the store.

by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 25, 2010 6:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

hahaha

while in the store! that must have been really awesome

in person i sometimes lose it a little but i can contain myself in writing. you should have seen the email exchange i had with one of the American ambassadors in the US consulate in my home country. i was very very polite but boy did they get the idea fast

by d-dee on Jan 25, 2010 6:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I have a temper

if I get started it’s hard to stop.

by nota bene on Jan 25, 2010 6:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I envy that

I have to keep a handle on it, otherwise I go into hulk-smash mode.

by nota bene on Jan 25, 2010 6:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

you're not a ginger are you?

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 25, 2010 10:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I have a hard time with "polite" and "loud" simultaneously

I’m just happy I didn’t break anything or even really raise my voice while I was in there with the damn thing under my arm.

by nota bene on Jan 25, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

#0239, I think

4201 Main St.
Kansas City MO 64111

by nota bene on Jan 25, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Call

561-438-4800 X 83706 and tell him your story.

by Mister Eff on Jan 25, 2010 5:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Chuck Rubin

President, North American Retail

by Mister Eff on Jan 25, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

remind me to never

piss you off.

* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jan 25, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

nice, thanks

honestly I’m OK with getting a gift card….it’ll suck being down a monitor for a month-plus but it’s not mission critical.

But I’ll file that away in case they screw me over on the gift card.

by nota bene on Jan 25, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This needs to go in the off-topic thread

is there really any point in having an off-topic thread if you’re going to START off-topic subthreads in the main thread?

Not to pile on you, but I think we need to tighten up on this a bit, perhaps (do the mods have powers to move posts, for instance?).

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 26, 2010 7:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i've been gone awhile

there’s an off-topic thread?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jan 26, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's a FanPost.

I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...

by spants on Jan 26, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

gracias.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jan 26, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well at least they didn't choose the Lincoln Monument

which would have been creepier, since Lil’ Dunc kinda looks like Abe.

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 25, 2010 7:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

that's awfully phallic

i’ve always suspected

"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~

by YesWeOquendo on Jan 25, 2010 7:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

me gusta

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 25, 2010 10:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

muchos!

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 26, 2010 7:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

HFS ©

I was over at hittracker, and noticed that Wladimir Balentien had the longest HR of the season,( at 495FT) and the fastest HR off the abt (at 122.3-almost 3MPH faster than the Ridiculous One’s fastest HR), and yet I don’t even remember this guy. BTW, this HR is an f’in moonshot.

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 25, 2010 6:35 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I remember his name

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 25, 2010 7:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Whoah

He crushed that.

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 25, 2010 7:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

it's over 9000 on the pujolsian dinger scale

I am the Batman .
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by CodyG on Jan 25, 2010 7:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

classic DBZ reference and no one gets it, will my work ever be noticed?

I am the Batman .
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by CodyG on Jan 25, 2010 7:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't watch DBZ at any point

But I’ve been on the internet, and I know memes. I got it.

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 25, 2010 8:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

/slow clap

I am the Batman .
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by CodyG on Jan 25, 2010 8:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

the reaction in the dugout depresses me

the whole dang ballpark reacts like it was just another HR

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 25, 2010 7:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

it's cincy, what'd you expect?

i actually remember that, not because i saw it live, but channel 4 actually showed the highlight of it

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 25, 2010 10:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So what I get out of this DUB

is that Scott Rolen is a HOF’er, yes? Well for that you should get an extra rec for this awesome post.

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 25, 2010 6:51 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

i think so, but i'm not sure. there's a lot i didn't get so you know it's a good post

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 25, 2010 10:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

how's it look

if you match his five best years with, say, schmidt?

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jan 26, 2010 1:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

FWIW, I'm not convinced

I think he’s VERY borderline, and as a small-hall guy, I think I’d say no. FWIW, I think Edmonds should probably be in, as he was probably the best CF of the 2000s, and I think that (even in a poor decade for CFers) should be enough. I think Dan kinda made that point somewhat in his post, although you could argue that the quality of Rolen’s peers (two of the best 3Bs of all time – Chipper and ARod) shouldn’t be held against him. I just feel his peak was too short, and his post-peak years have been too mediocre (by HOF standards – he’s still probably a 3-Win player, but most HOFers, to me, should have 6-8 win “peaks” and at least quite a lot of 4-5 win seasons besides).

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 26, 2010 7:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i think he was a lock

before the shoulder hits, and is now at the farthest depths of borderline. edmonds was never a lock, imo, but is much further up the borderline chain. i guess that means i think scotty was better at his best than jimmy.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jan 26, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think they had similar peaks

in fact, if anything, i’d say Edmonds’ was better, and I’d also say Edmonds “star” period lasted longer (a good 8 years or so) than Rolen’s (4-5 years).

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 27, 2010 7:50 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

you're right there

i think i look at it from a positional/historical angle, where i thought rolen would wind up top ten 3b of all-time, and jimmy wouldn’t crack that cf club. and top ten always impresses me – hell, even a top 10 loogy of all-time, to me, is impressive.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jan 27, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I remember that intro...

….I was (-5) years old.

Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.

BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS

by vexedtechie on Jan 25, 2010 9:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

dick enberg hasn't changed a bit

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 25, 2010 10:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

HE'S A ROBOT

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 25, 2010 10:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Whole Foods?

I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...

by spants on Jan 25, 2010 7:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

hairy clams?

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 26, 2010 7:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

OT

Just got a pretty bad haircut, am thinking of buzzing down. I’ve never had really short hair, so I wouldn’t know what to do/ask for. I understand there’s some sort of numbering system with hair clippers? I don’t want ultrashort hair, so if I decided to go this route, what should I ask for? My hairline is receding a little bit, so I’d rather not accentuate that too much. Of course, I wear a hat most of the time so I doubt it would be a very big deal. I’m also kind of a fat guy and short haircuts don’t work very well with fat people.

Should I just tough it out or trim down pretty short?

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 25, 2010 8:01 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

My husband just had this done.

I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...

by spants on Jan 25, 2010 8:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No to the merkin.

I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...

by spants on Jan 25, 2010 8:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

His might be a touch longer than that.

I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...

by spants on Jan 25, 2010 8:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

twss

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 25, 2010 8:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

always leave the merkin as is

that stuff don’t grow back, plus they’re expensive to replace

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 25, 2010 8:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Start with 8...

move down if you dare. Also, do it yourself. No need to waste money.

Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word

by guayzimi on Jan 25, 2010 8:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i have a patient wife who does this for me. i love not having to comb my hair, not spending money, and you can't

bullshit anyone about where your hairline is. you will never be tempted to comb over when there’s nothing to comb. i’ve got the 1/2" on top and 1/4" on the sides.

if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus

by tom s. on Jan 25, 2010 9:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Being bald is not all bad

I bet if Aliens landed they would most identify with bald people. They would most likely be spared while McNeil would not.

by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 25, 2010 9:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

be like your St. Louis Cardinals

except Colby. he’s not old enough to wield the clippers by himself.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 25, 2010 9:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah but I don't have clippers

So I’ll have to spend money on it one way or another. If I don’t like it, but buy clippers, then that will have been an enormous waste of money. Maybe I’ll get it done at a barber shop or something, and then if I like it, purchase some clippers

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 25, 2010 9:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If you want it to all be the same length

it’s easy to do by yourself, but if you want a little more length on the top, pay a professional.

by Mister Eff on Jan 25, 2010 9:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The hardest part for me is the neck line

Cause I like to take a razor to the back. Have to get like 3 mirrors out to do it while being disoriented in the process

by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 25, 2010 9:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I do everything myself...

I start with 6 everywhere. Then I do a liberal 5 all the way up the sides. Then a 4 about 3/4 of the way up. Then a careful 3 around the ears. Then a 2 for sideburns. After that clip around the ears with a scissors.

For the back of the head you need two mirrors – a fixed wall mirror and a hand mirror from your gf’s purse. You look at the back of your head by looking in the big mirror with the little mirror held behind you. You then place your hand over everything you DON’T want cut. Put the little mirror down, grad the clippers without any guard at all, and start mowing. Then do the other side. Voila! I do this every six weeks and I look like this:

Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word

by guayzimi on Jan 25, 2010 9:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Right. Because you don't want an ublended cut line.

I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...

by spants on Jan 25, 2010 9:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That should say unblended.

I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...

by spants on Jan 25, 2010 9:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Clippers are cheaper than a haircut

I got mine for $10.

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 25, 2010 10:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

How long have you had them?

My husband has gone through three sets of $30 clippers in 6 years.

I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...

by spants on Jan 25, 2010 11:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

About a year, I guess

They’re hanging in there just fine.

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 25, 2010 11:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No-Guard all the way across...

…Easiest hair ever. Been rockin’ near-bald for years.

Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.

BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS

by vexedtechie on Jan 25, 2010 9:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Same here.

I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...

by spants on Jan 25, 2010 9:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i hope you mean your hubby has been near-bald for years. not you personally.

if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus

by tom s. on Jan 25, 2010 9:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I was being sarcastic all the way around.

I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...

by spants on Jan 25, 2010 9:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I've got a rather large mole on the top of my head that I'm afraid would get ripped off

Had it since birth.

Hope that wasn’t too gross for anyone, apologies if so.

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 25, 2010 10:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

that's not gross. wanna hear gross?

i saw my mom rip half of one of those off her head back in 84 while she combed her hair. it was the only sunday we ever missed church. the next day we went to the dr & he froze that sucker off. that was fun to watch.

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 25, 2010 10:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Okay, that was kinda too gross

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 25, 2010 10:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

you should have been the 6yr old me watching it all go down

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 25, 2010 11:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No one should have to be the 6 year old you

Oh snap?

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 25, 2010 11:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

....

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 26, 2010 12:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Just Mo being Mo.

I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...

by spants on Jan 26, 2010 1:51 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

audition for pee wee herman, the movie

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jan 26, 2010 2:01 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I think a foul ball was heading into the dugout. Mo freaked.

I'm living in an age that calls darkness light...

by spants on Jan 26, 2010 2:31 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Rotoworld lists Johnny Damon

as 6’2". I have a hard time believing that he is only an inch shorter than Pujols’ listed height.

Time for a new sig.

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 25, 2010 9:53 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

That's weird

I have this thing where, even though I’m 28, I still assume famous people, if I met them in person, would be taller than me. I think they make me feel like a kid or something.

by Mulliganstew on Jan 26, 2010 11:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Uzbekistan

* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jan 25, 2010 10:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Athens, GA?

Go to Loire Valley. I loved it.

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 25, 2010 10:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

go to bahia, brazil

is it just free hotel? because it’s an expensive flight, but from ny i used to fly to brazil as a courier for next to nothing. dropped off some envelope at the rio airport office and my friend picked me up outside in her little sports car. she lived in rio but had a beach house about an hour away, though the opposite direction of bahia,. we planned to go to bahia as she loved the place, but never made it beyond copacabana and her other place. anyway, bahia was her favorite spot in brazil, and she likened it to the south of belize, where we had spent some time together. great place, nice mix of travelers and locals. bahia will require a flight from rio, though.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jan 26, 2010 1:39 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hotel is free

Airfare is not. Good to know Bahia is good place though. How do you get air flights for courier? I am a rather frugal person so would like this on the cheap as possible.

by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 26, 2010 1:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yes, it's expensive

not really a business route.

a friend in ny was always traveling courier. once to iceland for the weekend for 99 bucks. so i looked it up, just in the yellow pages i believe, under airline courier services, iirc. st. lou surely has something like that.

anyway, you tell them where you are looking to go and they contact you when they get something to that destination. or, like my buddy would do, you can go spur-of-the-moment, as he did to iceland, by just calling them and seeing what they got. sometimes you can only take a carry-on because they need your allotted luggage space.

just saw your other post popup. a visa is not a problem. i think it’s 20 bucks, but brazil did not require a visa back then for americans. as a brazilian she required one for belize, and we didn’t know this when meeting in and flying out of miami. we had to fly to guatemala, where she didn’t require a visa, go to her consulate there, get the stamp, and then make our way to belize. it turned out better that way anyway.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jan 26, 2010 1:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

for a visa?

that sucks. we must require a visa for them, so they always turn around and do the same. seems it always costs us way more, though.

"Some days I feel like the hypotenuse in a love triangle; others as if my lucky number is pi."

by cardball on Jan 26, 2010 2:56 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i ctrl+f'd and nothing

cmon folks

baby dunk to the nats

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 25, 2010 10:29 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

okay

and then like 200 more comments loaded after i posted this

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 25, 2010 10:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

SBN'd.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 26, 2010 4:51 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Nats signing Duncan

must be a minor league NRI deal. Nats don’t have room on their 40 man roster and the Nats never announced the signing, just posted it to the transaction page six days later.

by ubeddie on Jan 25, 2010 11:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

confirmed on mlb.com players page

both of the Duncan boys have NRI contracts. Need to start a poll on who leaves ST with the big club.

by ubeddie on Jan 25, 2010 11:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs