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I've been up all night, feverishly working a slide rule, and here is your community projection for Colby Rasmus. You'll like it!

AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB AVG OBP SLG
522 84 141 27 2 21 75 50 .270 .339 .450

At least, I like it. Here are some other projections—keep in mind that these were done by spreadsheets, cold, lifeless spreadsheets, who know nothing of how smooth, articulate, adorable, fiery our young center fielder has proven over the course this last year. (It is, of course, their loss.)

AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB AVG OBP SLG
VEB 522 84 141 27 2 21 75 50 .270 .339 .450
Marcel 415 63 110 21 2 14 50 36 .265 .324 .427
CHONE 428 62 113 24 3 15 51 45 .264 .340 .439
James 471 75 119 26 2 18 55 47 .253 .323 .431
Fans 578 76 156 31 2 21 87 62 .270 .342 .436

We're pretty conventional, in aggregate—a little more certain of his future smooth home run output, but otherwise dead on compared to the general Fangraphs viewer and reasonably optimistic compared to the projections.

If you thought this was all just too much work, you could have just asked SHUCardinal (of Ten Run Sundays fame!), who was startlingly on the nose:

AB R HR RBI AVG OBP SLG
VEB 522 84 21 75 .270 .339 .450
SHU 535 85 21 75 .270 .340 .450

Our pessimistic forecast—I'll let the perpetrator out himself if he feels the need—called for a .264/.301/.356 line, but a considerable majority put his 2010 OPS over .750. As for optimists, we had one 48 homer projection and one .301/.410/.595 line—and they weren't from the same person.

VEB has pegged a center fielder almost exactly in the past... but at the same time it is probably a good thing that we did not project Rick Ankiel in 2009. 

I have Pineiro to talk about, but I got a late start on today's post and the night of long division took a lot out of me—expect an "Afternoon Delight [was ruined for me as a concept when I was told it was about sex]" edition of VEB sometime later today.

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I for one

am looking forward to the Afternoon Delight.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 21, 2010 6:30 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

No one ever knows what that song is about.

Singing it with their nieces and nephews at office karaoke parties … ugh.

by arch support on Jan 21, 2010 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Ew

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jan 21, 2010 10:02 AM EST up reply actions  

The best way to sing that song is:

record your singingit very slowly on computer
speed it up to sound like chipmunks
enjoy

by ADMDrayson on Jan 21, 2010 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

it's about nooners, right?

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup.

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Jan 21, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, but...

Afternoon Delight used to be the name for happy hour at Clydes of Georgetown in DC. Even though the song has nothing to do with happy hour that’s where they got the idea for the song from.

Jimmy steps in to lead off the bottom half of the inning... with nobody on base... It could happen... just not tonight.

by Hollywood15 on Jan 21, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

not if your name is gdm

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 21, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Happy 30 minutes???

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 21, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

seconds

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

i don't even know what the word happy means anymore

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 21, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

just think of the complete opposite of what you feel.

I am the Batman
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by CodyG on Jan 21, 2010 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Or maybe they do

and you work with some really sick people…

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 21, 2010 10:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I would have thought

that waking up at 315 would have assured me that some Afternoon Delight was waiting… I suppose not. sigh

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 21, 2010 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

The slide rule is a lost art. I'm glad to see you keeping the old ways alive in this crazy modern world, Dan.

I had an optimistic projection compared to the crowd, but not by a huge amount. I went 515 AB, .275/.355/.450, I think. Maybe 25 homers. I think 70-75 runs and RBI. Kind of surprised the overall projection wasn’t more pessimistic, actually. I guess Colby has so much potential though. That combined with a little harmless homerism.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jan 21, 2010 8:23 AM EST reply actions  

I'm definitely in the moar dingers crows this year

last year, there were a number of times that just by the sound of the bat I thought he had hit a sure homer, only to see it die deep in the outfield. Seemed like he was missing that extra umph to get it over the wall, which I attribute largely to his illness. A stronger, healthier Colby this year = moar dingers. The real question for me this year is whether he can learn to lay off the low, outside junk and reallky ramp up his BB total.

by mattyp on Jan 21, 2010 8:34 AM EST up reply actions  

ugh

moar dingers crowd, among the various other spelling mistakes

by mattyp on Jan 21, 2010 8:41 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't even recall what I put down

but it was definitely more pessimistic than the overall projection. He’s talented, but he has a ways to go to improve to these numbers. I remember I had 17 homers, 70ish runs and rbis, but only like a .264ish avg. And I think I was being kind. Sophomore slumps might be stereotypical, but stereotypes exist for a reason.

Time for a new sig.

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 21, 2010 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I was definitely closer to the mean.

I had something like 26 HRs,346OBP,490Slg%, . 272 avg.

I am the Batman
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by CodyG on Jan 21, 2010 6:39 PM EST up reply actions  

that's just about mine

25, 340, around 470( I think) and .270

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 21, 2010 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

A mention of the Antikythera Mechanism gets a rec from me.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jan 21, 2010 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Me, too

ceterum censeo, delendo est Joe Strauss

by alberich on Jan 21, 2010 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

I had never heard of it before,

But it is definitely in the way cool realm of things.

Play ball!

by IL and StL Fan on Jan 21, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Wasn't it thought to plot

positions of heavenly bodies though? Wait moonshots… got it…

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 21, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

It'll do dingers

but you would probably need a calculus ratiocinator or a universal Turing machine for the other stuff.

Time for a new sig.

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 21, 2010 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Gotta love the Mechanism

Wonder if they will ever solve it.

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jan 21, 2010 9:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Only if they account for

pi = 4… otherwise not a chance.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 21, 2010 9:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought they did solve it?

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jan 21, 2010 9:29 PM EST up reply actions  

An article I read about a month ago said otherwise

but I haven’t looked at anything about it since then.

http://www.cracked.com/article_16871_6-insane-discoveries-that-science-cant-explain.html

It’s a comical piece, but still, very intriguing.

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jan 21, 2010 9:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Hm

They are pretty sure what it did and how it worked… it followed a geocentric model of the cosmos, so obviously it wouldn’t be totally “accurate” in that sense. But I am fairly sure they have “solved” it for the most part. Although other pieces of it were discovered in the last few years.
Anyway, it’s fascinating stuff.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jan 21, 2010 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, the article does point out

That people had no concept of gravity and/or heavenly bodies. Maybe this theory has to be wrong. Can’t be a coincidence.

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jan 21, 2010 9:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I had Colby with over 100 RBI

which i think he will get if he hits 6th all year…or if he hits 2nd all year he will score 100 runs…most likely he will go back and forth and get no where near either…

Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...

by nomar34 on Jan 21, 2010 9:06 AM EST reply actions  

I was wondering

IF joel could be had for 16m 2y deal why we did not make a run at him. I was not going to go for the 30m3y, but what he signed for seamed reasonable to me. They will end up paying Penny 7.5m if pitches 200 innings. I most admit I was one of the few that liked the orginal signing two years ago.

by nybirdfan on Jan 21, 2010 9:10 AM EST reply actions  

Jeff Suppan

That is all.

If we didn’t already have Lohse on the payroll I would agree. But we do, and they’re probably going to be similar pitchers next season.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 21, 2010 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Lohse's contract

looks that much worse now. I would love to have gotten Lohse on a 2 yr deal.

1.14.10, the day I went green.

by njnick on Jan 21, 2010 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Lohse's contract is terrible. Just terrible.

And it lasts for three more seasons. Mo’s strategy was folly with Lohse. Luckily, he ought to pitch better in 2010 than he did in 2009. So, we’ve got that going for us.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 21, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

bought high when we shouldn't have

Lohse’s contract is really going to bite the Cards. Not worth the money, but it seemed like it at the time. Hope the Cards & Mo have learned.

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by zoomzoomj88 on Jan 21, 2010 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

What did it seem like at the time?

I don’t think Lohse’s contract was ever good or could be viewed in a favorable light.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 21, 2010 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I was the rare defender of Pineiro’s, but everyone hated Lohse’s as far as I can recall.

Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.

by liam on Jan 21, 2010 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

eh

I thought it was a reasonable market value contract at the time.

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on Jan 21, 2010 7:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I did as well

I would have paid him 3/27 though. Desperation does crazy things.

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jan 21, 2010 9:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I think I did too

A few months later it became clear, however, that I had misread the market.

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 22, 2010 1:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Mo has been pretty mediocre as a GM to be honest

I want to like him, because he seems like he knows what he’s doing, but he’s made a lot of bad decisions.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 21, 2010 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

me too

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going

by sportsman on Jan 21, 2010 9:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed,I hated the DeRosa trade, but if he goes into the draft like the RedSox then

I will change my opinion.

I am the Batman
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by CodyG on Jan 21, 2010 9:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I disagree

I think most of his moves were good in theory, but just fell apart with things he couldn’t control. Derosa gets injured, Khalil has problems, they were desperate for SP at the Lohse deal (Which, by the way, can still be worth something, another flux of things Mo can’t control happened to Lohse that season).

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jan 21, 2010 9:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I think we need to decide

on a couple numbers to say that deal was bad. Save everyone a lot of typing… perhaps 86?

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 21, 2010 9:11 PM EST up reply actions  

SOMEONE NEEDS TO DO A FANPOST ON THE TERRIBLENESS OF THAT DEAL

someone mathey** or something of the like

or we could have someone do one of those google doc things DanUp is using for the projections and such.

What I am saying is that we really need to get this whole Lohse contract thingy figured out. I know some of you basterds out there know what I am getting at, so please get on it already.

 * *not matty…MATH-ey, just to clear things up. I don’t really trust any of us matts to do this level of work in the way it deserves to be done.

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 21, 2010 9:20 PM EST up reply actions  

After reading that

I could really go for some Chicken McNuggets…

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 21, 2010 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I may or may not be under the influence of said McNuggets

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 21, 2010 9:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I live about a half mile from a McDonald's...

I’m really debating heading over that way. The only thing that’s stopping me is I’d have to put shoes on…

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 21, 2010 9:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't like loafers...

and it’s too cold for flippy floppies…

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 21, 2010 9:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Sandle soles

slipper feel. And don’t make you look like a bum.

by Mister Eff on Jan 21, 2010 11:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Those things are ricockulous.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 22, 2010 2:33 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't feel like

cooking stuff. Wait… golden idea… a place that sells cooked bacon through a drive thru… That’s a million dollar idea right there. At least as long as the rest of the world is like VEB…

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 21, 2010 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Finally gave in and put on shoes...

mmmmmmm McNuggets

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 21, 2010 10:13 PM EST up reply actions  

His away splits were terrible.

We had a surplus of RH farmhands at the time, so it’s not that big of a deal.

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jan 21, 2010 9:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd like to wait a year

Till we can examine whether he can be worth his contract or not. He had a lot of problems last year.

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jan 21, 2010 9:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you talking Lohse I or Lohse II?

Lohse I was ok. Lohse II was completely indefensible when it happened and it’s now strangling us.

Lohse-type pitchers can now be had for one or two years at $8 million per.

Boras has done more for Lohse than anybody. He’s 2-0 in arbitration, having cleaned the Twins clock twice. He actually got a raise in 2007 after posting a 6 era when he should have been non-tendered. 2008 was a slight hiccup, but he ended up with another raise. Then he hit the jackpot.

Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word

by guayzimi on Jan 21, 2010 9:24 PM EST up reply actions  

It was good...

kind of like the Beltre situation…

Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word

by guayzimi on Jan 21, 2010 9:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Im referring to Lohse 2

The injuries and other problems didn’t allow Lohse to make up his value. I don’t want to pass judgement on the deal just yet.

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jan 21, 2010 9:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Hope you're right...

Those $12 mills in ’11 and ’12 are fugly.

Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word

by guayzimi on Jan 21, 2010 9:51 PM EST up reply actions  

It's a tall task

but I will give him a chance to prove himself.

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jan 21, 2010 9:52 PM EST up reply actions  

But a contract for a pitcher, realistically, should take injury risk into account

if you sign even a durable pitcher to a 4-year deal, you need to account for the fact that an injury that wipes out a big chunk of one year is VERY likely to happen in that deal. You should also get a discount on the AAV to account for the fact that you’re eating more risk by extending to 4 years.

Best case scenario, if Lohse stayed fit for 4 years (not a good bet for any pitcher) and pitched to his capabilities, he’d probably be worth about $40m in that period. But we didn’t get the discount for the term of the deal, we didn’t get a discount to account for the likelihood of injury (which, shock of all shocks, happened!), AND we threw in a no-trade clause on top of all that.

It was an overpay, even at 2008 free agent values, of $10m or so (for a team like the Cards that need to be getting slightly-above-average value on FAs to remain at the top of the division), and the no-trade clause is surely worth a good $5m on top of the guaranteed money.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 22, 2010 7:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I think me and VEP are more or less in agreement on this one

Mo’s been, y’know, fine. Not good, not terrible, just somewhere in the middle. Trouble is, once all the Sabeans and Wades are kicked out of baseball in 3 or 4 years, today’s “fine” is going to be tomorrow’s idiot. Of course, he could get better at negotiating between now and then, but he certainly doesn’t seem to have a good record of negotiating deals on free agents/extensions and the like, and, as VEP says, he’s made some questionable decisions.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 22, 2010 7:06 AM EST up reply actions  

No

Rich Harden is better than Penny, and signed for the same amount. Pineiro is better than Penny and MUCH less of an injury risk, and signed for basically the same amount.

John Smoltz is at least as good as Penny and will likely sign for much less.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 21, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

SMOLTZ!!!!

I am the Batman
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by CodyG on Jan 21, 2010 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Having

fun at LL. Have to be careful over there. Dot your "I"s cross your "T"s, otherwise you will get jumped. :)
vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Jan 21, 2010 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

ugh...just read some of that

I really hope VEB never becomes like that, where people are either so arrogant or insecure about their grasp of sabermetrics that the mere mention of a traditional stat sparks some mind-numbing, worthless diatribe from every preachy and pedantic jackass who thinks he knows better. It is possible to understand what some stats measure — and what they don’t — and still use them. Example: I fucking love the RBI stat (may or may not have to do with a childhood spent playing RBI baseball for NES); So you can dispense with it when you pry it from my cold, dead hands (and at the same time, I can still realize that its not a reliable predictive stat for measuring a player’s true offensive ability or, say, projecting offensive production year to year)

by mattyp on Jan 21, 2010 6:08 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

As long as I'm around here

there will be a safe place for old stats and the eye test. I’m a firm believer they are still indicative or something and somewhat useful or else they wouldn’t have lasted for over 100 years.

*ducks thrown objects

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 21, 2010 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

The thing was, I wasn't even saying ERA was a good stat

For the most part, it isn’t a good value stat. Projecting ERA, using other stats, is a whole different matter.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 21, 2010 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

that's what bothered me

they were so hasty to uniformly impeach your credibility and dismiss your argument on its face just because you used ERA, without even stopping to try and consider your point.

by mattyp on Jan 21, 2010 8:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Lookout Landing

Has some very good authors and their blog entries are an enjoyable read, but the attitude of the authors and commentors in the comments section is pretty poor. On top of their unfriendliness they are very anal when it comes to grammar and post formatting. I am surprised that those in charge of SB Nation allow such jerks to moderate their blogs. Most moderators are friendly, but a few like the ones at LL and MCC stick out like a sore thumb. I’ve always found VEB to be one of the friendliest SB Nation baseball sites. A site that tolerates outsiders, unlike LL and MCC.
vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Jan 21, 2010 8:07 PM EST up reply actions  

The Giants blog...

Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word

by guayzimi on Jan 21, 2010 8:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Coast versus interior

friendly is the default setting.

Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word

by guayzimi on Jan 21, 2010 8:13 PM EST up reply actions  

"Somebody switched this doll to 'evil'"

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jan 21, 2010 9:33 PM EST up reply actions  

er
Pineiro is better than Penny

um

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, he was last season.

I think Penny will be better this season.

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Jan 21, 2010 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

true

there is one season in which pineiro outperformed penny

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by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 5:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Pineiro will replicate some of his success.

I don’t think he’ll be Pinata.

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Jan 21, 2010 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

penny was injured

and pitched 94 innings in ’08!

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by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I first read that as

projections of his future projections… and thought your SABRness had started to eat itself…

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by ducttape16 on Jan 21, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

but when you use terms like “better” that translates, in my mind, to true talent level. or ceiling, even

pineiro is safer and i like his deal, but penny has more upside and i’m not sold that pineiro is a 3.5-4 FIP pitcher. and compared to an average cards fan (pre-’09 at least), i quite like pineiro

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by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

When I say better, I'm talking about current true talent level

Which is basically the same thing as a projection.

As I think that Pinerio has more upside than Penny! Penny’s best year was 3 years ago and it came with a 3.63 FIP. Pinerio’s best year was last season and it came with a 3.27 FIP.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 21, 2010 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Well Mike Parisi outperformed him in 2008

and he was hurt pretty much that whole season and pitched like it.

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by fourstick on Jan 21, 2010 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

It's clear that vivaelpujols believes that 2009 was a harbinger of Jo-El's future performance,

and gives it far more weight than you or I. In 2010 and 2011, I don’t anticipate him being anywhere near as good as he was in 2009. Also, I don’t know that I would liken a two-year deal (like the ones Harden, constructively because of the mutual 2011 option, and Pineiro got) to a one-year deal even if the annual salaries are equal. A two-year commitment is larger.

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by bgh on Jan 21, 2010 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't give it *far* more weight

But certainly more weight than a “dumb” projection, that doesn’t know about his drastic change in approach.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 21, 2010 5:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you calling me a dumb projection!?!?!?

/kidding

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--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 21, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Why is it

that you give FAR more weight to Pineiro’s 2009 than you ever did Kyle Lohse’s 2008? Pretty much the same damn thing is it not?

I feel like if we had paid Piniero 2Y$18.5M you’d be bitching about it. But since the Angels did we “missed out on a bargain”.

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by fourstick on Jan 21, 2010 9:17 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Kyle Lohse didn't add a new pitch

He raised his GB rate like 3% above his career norms. And Pineiro was a lot better last year than Lohse was in 08.

And I wouldn’t give Pineiro 4/41 deal. I would definitely have given Lohse a 2/16 deal.

I feel like if we had paid Piniero 2Y$18.5M you’d be bitching about it. But since the Angels did we "missed out on a bargain".

That comes with no evidence and is purely supported by your past disagreements with me. It’s borderline trolling, knock it off. You can argue with me on the evidence or about the players, but don’t make generilizations based on what you may think of me.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 21, 2010 9:20 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not trolling

What it IS, though, is calling you out on your bullshit every once and a while.

You are incredibly inconsistent with your viewpoints on certain topics. I’ve pointed this out before a couple of different times, and other people have too. What is really disturbing is that you’re the first guy to tear down someone else’s argument, even when you are merely quibbling with them, but then get all huffy when someone does the same to you.

If you are going to continue to be pissy and play semantics with other’s arguments, I will continue to point out the inconsistencies that exist when YOU come up with something vs. when SOMEONE ELSE comes up with something.

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by fourstick on Jan 21, 2010 9:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't get huffy when people try to tear down my arguments

I argue back if I believe what I am saying.

So, I’m confused. What inconsistencies are relevant to this thread?

by vivaelpujols on Jan 21, 2010 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you kidding?

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by fourstick on Jan 21, 2010 9:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok then

You continually bitch about the Lohse contract without looking at the context of the situation, then you say that this Pineiro contract is good, without looking at the context of the situation. To be honest, they’re really pretty much the same contract.

We’re talking about two very different markets for players and two pitchers who had very specific career best seasons in contract years.

In bgh’s post we were arguing about Vernon Wells:

  1. Value him as a whole player
  2. Value his contract based on best-case projectibility.

Yet in your post about Matt Holliday:

  1. We don’t value his defense in LF because you personally don’t like it, even though UZR has liked him in most of his full seasons with the exception of last year where he played in two very different home parks
  2. We project his WAR exactly the same as Vernon Wells WAR in 2007 was projected in DF’s post at DL, yet Holliday has consistently been the better player by WAR throughout his career.

You’re inconsistent on these points, without a doubt. And the differences in the argument exist solely depending on which side of the argument that you are on.

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by fourstick on Jan 21, 2010 9:51 PM EST up reply actions  

If you compare

the market for FA pitchers in 2007 (remember Lohse was signed prior to the economic meltdown of 2008 in what was basically the 2007 market) to Lohse’s contract and then compare the market in 2008 to Pineiro’s contract, then yes, they are very similar contracts for #3 starters in those particular markets.

Kyle Lohse got less than Carlos Silva did despite being a better pitcher for most of his career, AND turning in a better contract year season. This is what starters of his ilk cost when that deal was signed.

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by fourstick on Jan 21, 2010 9:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Pineiro stunk to high heaven

and got a 2Y$13M deal in 2007. He’s only making $3M more on a 2Y deal in 2010. I’d say the market is drastically different.

If you switch Piniero and Lohse, Pineiro probably gets 4Y$46M from someone in ’07 and Lohse gets 2Y$15M or so in 2010.

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by fourstick on Jan 21, 2010 10:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Well that's fair, but the market has nothing to do with how I feel about the deals

I think that A) Pineiro is better than Lohse going forward, than Lohse was after 2008, and B) I would not have been happy with Pineiro on a 4/41 deal and would have been very happy with Lohse on a 2/16 deal.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 21, 2010 10:04 PM EST up reply actions  

And that's exactly the problem
Well that’s fair, but the market has nothing to do with how I feel about the deals

When you look at them based on numbers alone and without market context you’re going to be biased.

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by fourstick on Jan 21, 2010 10:09 PM EST up reply actions  

he's got better projection

and he was better in ‘09, but i think it’s a stretch to declare pineiro the better pitcher

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by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Dunno about that

Rich Harden is also 140 innings in a “healthy” year. CHONE has Harden for a 4.06 FIP, Penny at 4.22. And you know my subjective opinion on Rich Harden’s health.

Pineiro, I just don’t agree with this. Walking on a high wire with the 4.5 K/9 and that’s with 20% of his strikeouts coming against pitchers. For what it’s worth CHONE has him at 4.17 FIP yeah but I wouldn’t want him for 2/16 more than Penny at 7.5. They’re all pretty interchangeable contracts to me. Pineiro is better yes, he also cost more.

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by joker24 on Jan 21, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

That CHONE projection seems a bit high to me

But whatever, Harden obviously has health issues.

I’ve said that I think Pineiro is probably going to be better than his projections so I think he’s better than Penny.

Before guayzimi showed that we already have 90+ fucking million tied up in 2011, I would have wanted Pinata. But now I want Penny more, given the price.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 21, 2010 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Indeed

And we also want a “this is my last year motherfuckers” motivated John Smoltz.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jan 21, 2010 6:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, that would be super-sweet

really, I just think it’d be cool to watch one of my all-time favourite players in a Cardinals uniform. I’d probably sacrifice 1 win from our end-of-year total for that. Chances of 1 win affecting our post-season position (in/out) are pretty minimal anyway, the division is probably decided by 1 win less than like 5% of the time.

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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 22, 2010 7:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Pineiro started an All-Star game? When was this?

I think you’re giving Joel a LOT of credit for one good season. For a guy who hates to project people at their peak, you seem to do a lot of this when criticizing our front office.

Just sayin.

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by fourstick on Jan 21, 2010 9:13 PM EST up reply actions  

All star game?

When did I say anything about that?

I’ve already defended my reasons for liking Pineiro more than I otherwise would going forward. If you don’t want to accept them, fine by me.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 21, 2010 9:14 PM EST up reply actions  

He's not better then Penny

that’s my point.

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by fourstick on Jan 21, 2010 9:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Do you want to get into this?

I don’t think you do. Evidence doesn’t support this opinion, and you know it.

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by fourstick on Jan 21, 2010 9:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I was asking a question, and it's not clear by your response as to your answer

I’ll rephrase:

Are you saying that the fact that Penny was in an all star game and Pineiro wasn’t means that Penny is a better pitcher?

by vivaelpujols on Jan 21, 2010 9:35 PM EST up reply actions  

No

I think that Penny being a better pitcher when healthy means that Penny is a better pitcher.

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by fourstick on Jan 21, 2010 9:38 PM EST up reply actions  

And I don't think that Penny is better when healthy then Pineiro

And I think that Pineiro is more likely to be healthy than Penny!

by vivaelpujols on Jan 21, 2010 9:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess we'll have to see won't we

I predict that the Angels are going to be regretting that contract by July.

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by fourstick on Jan 21, 2010 10:01 PM EST up reply actions  

really?

how bad can he be?

i think that penny is the better pitcher to have, but i don’t see it being very likely that pineiro isn’t league average

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by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 10:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it's likely that

he has a major regression in 2010 for these reasons:

  • Nearly 20% of his strikeouts came against pitchers. If you take those strikeouts away from his per 9 totals, he has a K/9 of around 3.6. No pitcher in the last decade has put up an FIP of below 4.00 with a K/9 that low.
  • Neither you or VEP is giving Dave Duncan much credit for his success. Not the philosophy of Duncan, but the gameplans developed by Dunc and Marty Mason on how to attack hitters. Look at the pitcher’s who’ve had career resurrections under Duncan and then moved on (Suppan, Weaver, Woody Williams, etc.). They haven’t been very good pitchers after leaving.
  • He’s moving to a less friendly home park in a league with better offensive talent.
  • I think he was much more likely to have a small regression had he stayed in the National League with either the Cardinals or the Dodgers.

How bad can he be? Go back and look at his 2007 and 2008. Then go back and look at the VEB comments about Piniero over that period of time. We didn’t even want the fucking guy on the roster last spring and were looking under every rock we could find to try and come up with a way to replace him and stick him in the bullpen. I think it’s nuts to make the assertion that his 2009 numbers are in any way a demonstration of his talent level and that he might only show a slight regression from them in 2010.

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by fourstick on Jan 21, 2010 10:16 PM EST up reply actions  

wall o' text
Nearly 20% of his strikeouts came against pitchers. If you take those strikeouts away from his per 9 totals, he has a K/9 of around 3.6. No pitcher in the last decade has put up an FIP of below 4.00 with a K/9 that low.

losing less than one K per 9 is not going to raise an FIP 80 points. anyway, it’s not like your claim is very well thought through anyway, because adjusting for no pitchers does not give you a K/9 of 3.63. allow me to explain. 20% of those Ks came against pitchers. right? (actually i’m just following your lead, here). where did the rest of the Ks come from? 80% of those Ks came against position players (my logic rocks, i know). assuming all the pitchers’ ABs are replaced with position players ABs, he’s still going to keep 80% of the Ks that were previously coming against pitchers. this is also not even including the fact that the hitters replacing the pitchers are the coco crisps of the world. not exactly like we’re tacking an extra longoria onto the team. but i digress. he’s keeping 80% of the 20% of his Ks. that’s 16%. so he’s still going to K 96% as many batters as last year! (not including the fact that the batter replacing the pitchers are the worst batters on the team!) that’s a K/9 of 4.24 down from an ’09 K/9 of 4.42! negligible!

Neither you or VEP is giving Dave Duncan much credit for his success. Not the philosophy of Duncan, but the gameplans developed by Dunc and Marty Mason on how to attack hitters. Look at the pitcher’s who’ve had career resurrections under Duncan and then moved on (Suppan, Weaver, Woody Williams, etc.). They haven’t been very good pitchers after leaving.

anecdotal. none of those pitchers had the kind of year pineiro did and none of them added a new tool. i also don’t feel like combing through their peripherals to see if they had any kind of luck help because it’s not a worthy endeavor

He’s moving to a less friendly home park in a league with better offensive talent.

and this is reason for him to have a greater than normal regression after adjusting for park and league?

I think he was much more likely to have a small regression had he stayed in the National League with either the Cardinals or the Dodgers.

probably. but not to the magnitude you’re implying

How bad can he be? Go back and look at his 2007 and 2008. Then go back and look at the VEB comments about Piniero over that period of time. We didn’t even want the fucking guy on the roster last spring and were looking under every rock we could find to try and come up with a way to replace him and stick him in the bullpen. I think it’s nuts to make the assertion that his 2009 numbers are in any way a demonstration of his talent level and that he might only show a slight regression from them in 2010.

i see as little reason to assume that he will stay in ‘09 form as i do to assume he will completely revert to ’08 form. if he’s exactly in the middle, he’s better than league average and worth his contract

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by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

i actually did the math wrong there

i went through and did it manually and if strikes out the batters replacing the pitchers at the same rate (11%) he has a K/9 of 3.9. not quite negligible, but still not enough to drag is FIP up more than 73 points

in fact, i’ll just go ahead and find out what his FIP would be had all the pitchers he faced in ’09 been replaced with position players which he would K at the exact same rate

((13*11 + 3*35 – 2*92)/214) + 3.20

he would have a 3.50 FIP. not too shabby. adjust that for park and league and it’s probably still below 4. i don’t know how to do that, though

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by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 11:48 PM EST up reply actions  

You probably also have to adjust for the fact that he's very unlikely to give up like 3% HR/FB rate ever again in his life

You’d probably be better off using xFIP (although that may OVER-estimate his HR rate as it doesn’t take into account the fact he generates an obscene amount of groundballs and weak contact). Maybe the mid-point between his FIP and xFIP as a rough and dirty way of making the adjustment.

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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 22, 2010 7:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Hmmmmmm
anecdotal. none of those pitchers had the kind of year pineiro did and none of them added a new tool. i also don’t feel like combing through their peripherals to see if they had any kind of luck help because it’s not a worthy endeavor

Just because it’s anecdotal doesn’t mean it isn’t true. You don’t know if they added a new tool or not (a few of them did).

probably. but not to the magnitude you’re implying

Right, he probably would have regressed less pitching for the Dodgers due to their big park and good defense than he will for the Angels. I think he’ll regress more.

You’ve already corrected your math, so I’m not going to point that out. I will point out that you didn’t adjust for league average HR/FB, and you didn’t regress his walk rate back up to around 2.5 per 9 from his career low of 2.0 per 9. I would guess that’s going to predict him at around 4.10 or so for next year. Now, regress the numbers from his last 7 starts and see what you come up with. Take the middle of those two numbers and you have a better prediction, imo.

Yes, the 7 starts are a small sample normally, but when they all come in a row in the last month of the season and coincide with a league average BABIP, HR/9, and a below average FIP that is a telling indicator that he may have pitched way over his head the rest of the season. The sample is not insignificant and cannot be dismissed out of hand, as VEP is doing. Dismissing evidence because you don’t like what it does to your personal argument is poor form.

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by fourstick on Jan 22, 2010 9:07 AM EST up reply actions  

He went into ST last year

wondering if he was going to go into 2010 as a NRI or get a deal. He pitched out of his mind for four months and got a deal. That doesn;t change the fact he was nearly out of MLB (for the second time in three years) just a year ago.

by Mister Eff on Jan 21, 2010 11:50 PM EST up reply actions  

of course it doesn't change that

it also doesn’t change the fact that he was a 5 WAR pitcher last year

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by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 11:52 PM EST up reply actions  

After being a

0.6, 0.6, 0.9 the three previous seasons.

by Mister Eff on Jan 21, 2010 11:56 PM EST up reply actions  

okay

so what’s a reasonable expectation for ’10?

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by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 11:58 PM EST up reply actions  

September 2009

is what I think his true talent level as a sinkerballer is. So, Marquis, essentially.

by Mister Eff on Jan 21, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions  

so about 2 WAR?

i think it’s a bit conservative and i think one month of starts is a bit of a small sample, but even assuming you’re right, how is that not worth $8MM/yr. still slightly below market

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by prophetjohn on Jan 22, 2010 12:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Marcel that up and you get 2.6 WAR

Add in the fact that he learned a new pitch and changed his approach, and his 2009 numbers are more likely to be indicative of his true talent level, so you’d weigh it higher.

3 WAR is my estimate for ’10.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 21, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions  

That is about what I have him at also

Even if his FIP goes up quite a bit he still throws a lot of innings. He is such a strike thrower that he just doesn’t throw a lot pitches per inning. He averaged I think like 92 pitches per start. So if he can throw 200IP and around 4.5 FIP even he is a shoe in to be worth at least 3 wins.

by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 22, 2010 12:22 AM EST up reply actions  

You're assuming that his strike throwing

is repeatable in terms of walk rate — I’m not so sure that it is.

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by fourstick on Jan 22, 2010 8:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sure Harden's "much better" than Penny

he’s projected to put up about 140 innings at about a 3.6-4.1 FIP (by the various projection models), which is about a 2-3 WAR pitcher. Penny’s projected for more innings (160-180) at more like a 4-4.4 FIP, which comes out to about the same range. Depends if you want to take on more or less risk, and want to share that WAR across a greater or smaller number of innings; I think there’s advantages and disadvantages to both, but, overall, their projections are pretty similar.

I really think you’re over-rating Smoltz as well. And this is coming from a HUGE Smoltz fan.

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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 22, 2010 7:16 AM EST up reply actions  

If you find yourself w/o a flexible payroll...

…b/c you are paying Kyle Lohse, you’ve effed something up.

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by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 21, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

what makes lohse's contract not look so bad?

carlos silva, who the m;’s went for instead of lohse

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by sportsman on Jan 21, 2010 9:09 PM EST up reply actions  

at least they

were able to get bailed out by the cubs. We OWN this Albatross.

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by RiverRat on Jan 21, 2010 9:11 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

i think it's more like

204 or 206

/quibble

but yeah, essentially, we need to plan as if penny is gonna make $9MM

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by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

32 starts - 6 1/3 ave IP

to hit the $1.5 bonus. I’d be happy with that performance given Tony’s quick hook and PH tendencies. Per Cot’s it looks like he has to pitch 204 innings before he receives any incentive bonus.

by ubeddie on Jan 21, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

OTOH

if penny hits his incentives, we’re likely to be less reliant on the bullpen anyway. I’m not sure where i’m going with this.

1200 unread comments? Jebus…

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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 22, 2010 7:28 AM EST up reply actions  

fun fact (how gay am i sounding right now)

the cubs have a rhp minor leaguer names chris carpenter
wonder if he’s any good

by d-dee on Jan 21, 2010 9:35 AM EST reply actions  

Not gay,

you just sound like Jayson Stark. And, for what it’s worth, I always enjoy his columns with odd occurrences, statistics, and historical perspective.

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by bgh on Jan 21, 2010 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

nexdef'd by Y2S

same middle initial too.

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by RiverRat on Jan 21, 2010 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

F ?

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Jan 21, 2010 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

great minds think alike

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by STLRegalia on Jan 21, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

can people stop using gay as a pejorative term

although I do it now and again in real life myself, it’s usually tongue-in-cheek, and that doesn’t really come over very well in the written word.

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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 21, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I thought the same thing.

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by ClemsonGirl on Jan 21, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

y'know, if I say something that offends someone,

that response will probably get me punched in the face….

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by Yadi2Second on Jan 21, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

but would someone punch a girl in the face?

sth like that slipped out once though, in front of my best friend and he’s gay. i didn’t need to be punched in the face to feel awkward as hell

by d-dee on Jan 21, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

oh, you have a gay friend?

well, in that case, its totally ok to be a homophobe. carry on.

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by themanthemyth on Jan 21, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

geez

i still can’t get used to how easily offended americans are

by d-dee on Jan 21, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

To be fair

The “I have a gay friend so it’s okay” defense holds pretty much zero water.

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by mojowo11 on Jan 21, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

this country is full of people who bust out foux offended PC bullshit for everything

i’d say just ignore it, but long long ago the great LB stated we could not use the term gay in a negative way. so please respect the godfather’s wishes.

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by gdm426 on Jan 21, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

no, its not a tad harsh

i don’t see anyone on this blog using racial ephitets in a “colloquial” sense. why should we tolerate homophobia which, regardless of the poster’s intent, is implied by the association of the term “gay” with a negative sentiment?

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by themanthemyth on Jan 21, 2010 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

You Don't Know This Person....

…as I see it you really have no basis to call someone a homophobe based upon the single usage of a single word, no matter how offensive. That is making a giant mountain out of a small mole hill. Is it offensive speech, sure. Should it be pointed out and asked for it not to be continued, fine. To assume and publicly paint someone as a homophobe goes way beyond, IMO, what you can honestly say about this person.

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by The MooCow on Jan 21, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

i disagree

if you use objectionable language and continue to defend this language after a number of people state that they find it offensive and why, you clearly believe its ok. innacurately describing things as “gay” to denote negativity is juvenile in kids but its homophobia in adults.

would you be ok with it if someone called someone else on this blog a racial epithet? what if it was just once? would that be ok?

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by themanthemyth on Jan 21, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

No...

..it wouldn’t be ok, but I don;t think we’re discussing the same things here. D-dee was being self-referential, not attacking anyone else. Hardly the same context. Clearly their intent to inject humor, not cause malice. Just because we all don;t share the same level of humor is no basis to call someone a racist, or hate-monger, or gay-basher on the single use of a single word. if you’re that easily offended then its because you want to be.

Now, if someone attacked an-udder poster by calling him/her gay, or for being gay, that is a totally different situation. In spite of my handsome black and white spots, the world is really shades of gray my friend…

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Jan 21, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Self-reference doesn't change the intended meaning of the word,

which offends some people. Look, we can all just agree to disagree at this point, no?

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Jan 21, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

and....Scene?

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 21, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Can We all Just Agree....

…that I am the Great and Mooovelous MooCow, Bovine Hero of the Moooniverse, and that I totally rock?? yes, I thnk we all can.

;=8)

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Jan 21, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Let's lighten the mood with some art

Signifier and Signified

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jan 21, 2010 10:02 PM EST up reply actions  

In all honesty I know little about Chomsky

Other than he’s a linguist and he got into political activism. But the painting is awesome. I love that artist.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jan 21, 2010 11:22 PM EST up reply actions  

i love

that you hold character regardless of the circumstances. a truly dedicated bovine among men

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

no one is asking you to be okay with it
would you be ok with it make broad character generalizations about someone if someone called someone else on this blog a racial epithet? what if it was just once?

fixed for relevance. and no. not that it’s okay, but i think context is important when you’re going to completely write a person off because they don’t adhere to your moral code

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

overreaction much?

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I Hate it When...

..u hit UP to see which cowment it refers to and you go to some general area and still have to figure out which post it refers to…
:=8/

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Jan 21, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

when you hut up

the comment it’s referring to is the one at the top

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

By Then...

…I’ve forgotten the comment. Cow brain…
:=8/

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Jan 21, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

if only

you could trade in a couple of those stomachs for a couple more brains

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

i position the mouse at the top left corner of the comment

and use the only scroll wheel to find which one it belongs to
please someone tell me if there’s a better way

by d-dee on Jan 21, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

click on up...

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Click up ah.

Click on up.

Stay on the scene.

by arch support on Jan 21, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

haha

how obvious was that! maaaaan. quite embarrassed now ts ts ts

by d-dee on Jan 21, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not offended

but, y’known, using “gay” as a synonym for “lame” or “crappy” is potentially kinda offensive to homosexuals. You wouldn’t say someone dressed in, I dunno, loud and ostentatious clothing was “dressing a bit negro”, would you? I think it’s a bit lazy too; it doesn’t really mean anything if it’s taken so out of context that you’re saying that “giving out obscure facts” = “gay”.

FWIW, I think carpenter is actually one of their better prospect arms, although I think the general feeling is that he’s bullpen-bound. I think he might go by “christopher” too, probably to avoid the confusion.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 21, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

look

my best friend refers to stuff as gay and other worse words in the same direction all the time. if it’s not offensive to him as a gay male, i figure, why should it be offensive to someone who is straight?
i come from a place where people are not so sensitive so i guess i am a little oblivious as to how people in the us (and i guess britain) would react to stuff that i consider harmless. i don’t feel the need to apologize but i am sorry this is turning into a debate

as for (ugly) carpenter 2.0, do you think they’ll call him up and give him a shot?

by d-dee on Jan 21, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

That's not unreasonable

where are you from, anyhow? I don’t think you ever said. As to your first point, I think social norms dictate that it’s ok for gays to use gay-specific words (even slightly pejorative ones, fag etc.), just as it’s OK for blacks in the US to call each other nigga, as a means of appropriating a previously offensive term. I don’t really have a strong opinion on any of these matters, I just think it’s probably not a good thing for this blog to appear in anyway prejudiced against certain groups in a way that might make people feel unwelcome. No biggie.

As for the “other” Carp, he probably won’t get a shot this year as I think he’s had some injury issues in the past and only just made it to double A. He’ll probably spend a year there. I don’t know much about him, looking at FG he’s been a bit lucky on the longball but his peripheral stats look to have some promise, and he’s a groundballer, I think. Most that I’ve heard suggests he probably ends up in the pen, although they’re using him to start right now. He’s maybe not too far from being a Lance Lynn type, but I doubt we see him before 2011.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 21, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Just because it's not offensive to one gay male

doesn’t mean it’s not offensive to all gays.

Not trying to start an argument. Personally, I think offense is more the problem of the person offended than the person offending.

by arch support on Jan 21, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

+100

And personally I am not very happy with “its ok if these people use this term, but not ok if THESE people use the term”. A pejorative is either verboten for all or open for all, IMO. Having said that (my best Larry David), I tend to feel freer using such opejoratives around my friends and family who know me and whom I know, rather than people I don’t know or who don’t know me well enough to point fingers and scream like a leper has just entered the room should I use one. I guess the point is to temper one’s speech depending on the situation/crowd, but feel free to say what you want. And if you don;t appreciate someone using a particular term, tell them. They’ll either care what you think or won’t. Be honestly, let’s avoid making huge sweeping generalizations about people based on a single utterance of one word. That’s kindergarten, folks (ooooooh, he said a naughty word, awwwwwwwww!!!!!!)

:=8/

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Jan 21, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

hefer....

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Jan 21, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Cow is Old...

….wisdom comes through aged beef…
;=8)

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Jan 21, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

yeah
I guess the point is to temper one’s speech depending on the situation/crowd

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry

to correct your grammar, but you got carried away with your point. That should have been udderance. Your bovine school teachers will be turning in their slaughterhouses!

by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Jan 22, 2010 12:38 AM EST up reply actions  

you mean in my stomach, right?

I am the Batman
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by CodyG on Jan 22, 2010 12:39 AM EST up reply actions  

I made a similar comment to yours about a year ago.

It got flagged and I received a warning. If you guys have a problem, be careful bringing it up. Might be better just to flag the comment and let the mods handle it.

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Jan 21, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Sometimes I feel....

…like I’m going to get flagged whenever I mention bacon.

;=8)

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Jan 21, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Well...

…I’d mention silage but I doubt anyone else finds it as interesting as me…
;=8)

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Jan 21, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Ew.

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Jan 21, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

See?

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Jan 21, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

someone flagged spants?

HFS®

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 21, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

You, sir, are my new favorite VEB commenter

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 21, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

W T F

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 21, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

my world just got flipped upside down

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 21, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

And I liked to take a minute
Just sit right there
I’ll tell you how I became the prince of a town called Bel Air

In west Philadelphia born and raised
On the playground was where I spent most of my days
Chillin’ out maxin’ relaxin’ all cool
And all shootin some b-ball outside of the school
When a couple of guys
Who were up to no good
Started making trouble in my neighborhood
I got in one little fight and my mom got scared
She said ’You’re movin’ with your auntie and uncle in Bel Air’

I begged and pleaded with her day after day
But she packed my suite case and send me on my way
She gave me a kiss and then she gave me my ticket.
I put my walkman on and said, ‘I might as well kick it’.

First class, yo this is bad
Drinking orange juice out of a champagne glass.
Is this what the people of Bel-Air living like?
Hmmmmm this might be alright.

But wait I hear they’re prissy, wine all that
Is Bel-Air the type of place they send this cool cat?
I don’t think so
I’ll see when I get there
I hope they’re prepared for the prince of Bel-Air

Well, the plane landed and when I came out
There was a dude who looked like a cop standing there with my name out
I ain’t trying to get arrested
I just got here
I sprang with the quickness like lightning, disappeared

I whistled for a cab and when it came near
The license plate said ‘FRESH’ and it had dice in the mirror
If anything I can say this cab is rare
But I thought ‘Now forget it’ – ‘Yo homes to Bel Air’

I pulled up to the house about 7 or 8
And I yelled to the cabbie ‘Yo homes smell ya later’
I looked at my kingdom
I was finally there
To settle my throne as the Prince of Bel Air

by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 21, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

subject for this behemoth text.

I am the Batman
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by CodyG on Jan 21, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Why on earth would you want to minimize that?

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 21, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

It'd be like minimizing Hammurabi's code

This must be clearly visible for future generations.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jan 21, 2010 10:03 PM EST up reply actions  

how dare you give that away.

I am the Batman
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by CodyG on Jan 21, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Welp.

That ends that experiment.

by arch support on Jan 21, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

mu hahaha I'm everywhere.

I am the Batman
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by CodyG on Jan 21, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

The problem with sock puppet accounts

is that it’s quite easy on some sites to accidentally post from your “real” persona under the puppet one. I did that quite recently under my “Brian Sabean” alter-ego at frangraphs…. Think I got away with it, though.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 22, 2010 7:37 AM EST up reply actions  

yes!

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 21, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Speaking of the Fresh Prince,

here is the only worthwhile thing Jimmy Fallon has ever done.

Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.

by the red baron on Jan 22, 2010 2:51 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm Sorry....

…but that dog with the comb-over still reminds me of Jessica Simpson. Am I drinking too much moo juice???
:=8/

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Jan 21, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

This is true.

But some things are genuinely gay. And I don’t think it’s wrong to describe them as such.

A bunch of of hairy guys in assless chaps dancing to ABBA on a parade float in San Francisco, for instance. How can you describe that except “totally gay”?

That said, d’s remark wasn’t really one of those instances I don’t think.

by arch support on Jan 21, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree with you, Felonious.

I apologize for restating his statement. Using it as a pejorative, instead of merely a descriptive, term is unnecessary and offensive.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 21, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

didn't see this until now

but now that i’ve read the whole affair, i’m honestly more appreciative of this blog and its commenters.

the truth is, it’s not an easy question to answer. i like to think that i’m not offended when i hear “gay” used to demean someone or something, but every time i do, something just rubs me the wrong way. it’s the possibility that there’s real hate lying behind the word. i say possibility because it’s hard to know anyone’s true feelings on the matter even in person, and impossible in blogs. FWIW, i’ve never felt a moment of hate from anyone here, because of the measures taken (in the guidelines, etc.) to mitigate that sort of thing. that means even more considering this is a blog about sports – a portion of society that historically lags behind the whole on issues of civil rights.

conversations like this are good every so often, so this should do the trick for a good, long while.

Heaven has brick walls and St. Peter is a red bird.

by EinFesteBusch on Jan 21, 2010 11:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Well said

With a word in such common use as gay it is a bit ultra left to call everyone that uses it a homophobe. However, it does represent the homophobia present in our society, if not personal bigotry.
That being said, I go out of my way to disuade co-workers, students, friends from using derogatory language. Whether they agree with me or not, I like to let them know that it makes some people uncomfortable.

by BustaCard on Jan 21, 2010 11:57 PM EST up reply actions  

my two cents

and i say this with a bit of experience on the subject. if someone is offended by something, no matter how seemingly silly the offense is, it’s probably just best to accept that other people find it offensive and try to placate their relatively conservative nature. personally, i think the average person is far to easily offended, but i find that it requires much less effort on my part to adhere to social norms than to try and have this kind of debate with people who are not going to change their minds

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

its also not only about the one person who may or not be offended

but finding out why you are acting in ways that someone may get offended. the word gay as used as it was above only has meaning because it was used as a slur. its very easy for those of us who are not gay to say its no big deal, get over it. but awareness of why you may be offending others will only help you in the long run.

by FunkeeC on Jan 21, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

i think she understands

the origin and various meanings of the word “gay”

if that’s what you mean and you mean that she needs to do some soul searching because she has some deep-seated issues that are causing her to act out in offensive way, the, well, i don’t know what to say. that’s probably absurd

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

i said nothing of the sort

just saying that it only makes you a better person to be aware of the language and behavior you utilize and instead of trying to rationalize why its ok for YOU to use a certain word. for me, it isnt so much the use of the word that is bothersome, but the attempt at rationalizing why its ok for her to use it and why we should ignore the history and associations of the words cause she didnt mean that.

by FunkeeC on Jan 21, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

i agree

that people are entitled to their opinions and a reasonable person would accept if someone finds something offensive. “rationalize” carries some negative connotations, so i’m gonna stray from using it, but i don’t think there’s any fault in one explaining why and how they use a word when the dog pack starts attacking

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I would just like to see VEB stay civil.

It’s just easier that way. And then we avoid 40 comment sub-threads about word-usage and character.

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Jan 21, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I love Louis CK.

And what I say and hear and enjoy in person is a lot different than what I can tolerate on VEB. Things will get out of control if there is no civility. And while that works on some sites, I just don’t think it will work here.

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Jan 21, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

CK is one of the best

and i agree. plus like i already said, LB said not to say gay, so don’t say it

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 21, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm Dense...

…who is LB? The Robot? The Jessica Simpson-Dog Comb-over? I ferget…
:=8/

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Jan 21, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Lboros, the freaking godfather of VEB cow!

gotdamnit

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 21, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

The Godfather!! :=8O

and I never invited him into my home for a lousy cup of coffee! I’m doomed!

:=8O

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Jan 21, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

you don't want him making a house call

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 21, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey...

The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.

by thegodfather on Jan 21, 2010 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

VEB wouldn't be what it is

without 40 comment sub-threads that are totally off the subject. At least this one is not silly, inside meme humor (tired of those)

by BustaCard on Jan 22, 2010 12:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I feel like meme-hate

is becoming a meme.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Jan 22, 2010 12:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Soon to be replaced by unapologetic (but possibly ironic) meme-love?

I can only hope.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jan 22, 2010 12:23 AM EST up reply actions  

as Aristotle says,

In all things, pursue the meme.

Heaven has brick walls and St. Peter is a red bird.

by EinFesteBusch on Jan 22, 2010 12:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Awesome

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jan 22, 2010 12:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Always in the right way

toward the right meme, in due proportion, at the right time.

Heaven has brick walls and St. Peter is a red bird.

by EinFesteBusch on Jan 22, 2010 12:30 AM EST up reply actions  

I am a fan of Aristotle's Four Clauses

The no-trade, the option, the innings-based incentive, and the MVP bonus.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jan 22, 2010 12:30 AM EST up reply actions  

would that make albert and stan

philosopher kings?

"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~

by YesWeOquendo on Jan 22, 2010 12:33 AM EST up reply actions  

They are already ruling as two kings...

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 22, 2010 2:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Kind of like Sparta

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jan 22, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

THIS IS ALBERTOFSTAN!!!!

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 23, 2010 1:49 AM EST up reply actions  

....

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 23, 2010 2:56 AM EST up reply actions  

next is already emerging

meme hate of the meme hate

then you get post ironic meme hate

then ironic meme love

and finally pure unadulterated meme love once again

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 22, 2010 12:26 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm already at #3.

I am the Batman
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by CodyG on Jan 22, 2010 12:27 AM EST up reply actions  

according to wikipedia

memetics is the study of memes. sounds like this might be your day job.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Jan 22, 2010 12:28 AM EST up reply actions  

lol

From wikipedia re internet memes: The term is generally not applied to content or web services that are seen as legitimate, useful, and non-faddish.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Jan 22, 2010 12:34 AM EST up reply actions  

so yadi2 is our official memeticion?

nice

"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~

by YesWeOquendo on Jan 22, 2010 12:36 AM EST up reply actions  

that's it

you’re Albertofstan’s HR director
you just assigned jobs to all

by d-dee on Jan 22, 2010 12:37 AM EST up reply actions  

and I hate it.

* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jan 22, 2010 12:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Your uniqueness will be assimilated into our collective

We are the Blog.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jan 22, 2010 12:31 AM EST up reply actions   3 recs

haha

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 22, 2010 12:32 AM EST up reply actions  

the inside humor is fun.

I am the Batman
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by CodyG on Jan 22, 2010 12:08 AM EST up reply actions  

are you sure what a google is?

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 22, 2010 12:09 AM EST up reply actions  

no

just a tab

you mean you always only have one tab? i have 7 tabs open right now

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 22, 2010 12:14 AM EST up reply actions  

yep

scratching my back and z-ing

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 22, 2010 12:17 AM EST up reply actions  

wait

unoccupied

i don’t get it

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 22, 2010 12:18 AM EST up reply actions  

I hope so.

* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jan 22, 2010 12:19 AM EST up reply actions  

i can't think of anything gross

that would leave my hands unoccupied, though

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 22, 2010 12:20 AM EST up reply actions  

I think he didn't want you to be doing something...

You know what just never mind.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 22, 2010 12:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Admirable restraint, Clemson.

And yet I’m somehow disappointed to see it.

Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.

by the red baron on Jan 22, 2010 2:54 AM EST up reply actions  

you could turn that around
i think the average person is far to easily offended

and say the average person allows themselves to be offensive far too easily. I mean, it’s 2010, you shouldn’t just blurt out slurs in public places. Period.

This is like those politician apologies, where they say that they’re sorry anyone was offended, rather than acknowledging that what they said was offensive. As if it’s the person raising the objection who’s in the wrong.

by nota bene on Jan 21, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

i could turn it around if i agreed with that

but i don’t.

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I see where you're coming from.

But for me, it’s like why allow yourself to get worked up over what someone else says? If you let them offend you, then you’re allowing them to have a power over you.

But then again, I’m not a minority of any type, so I don’t have a history of nasty names to deal with.

by arch support on Jan 21, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

If you are responsible for any of the extreme votes, come forward now!

Or else, everyone in VEB will have to run laps!

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 21, 2010 9:37 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

I need the exercise.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 21, 2010 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

that's why i got a bowflex

but i still cant run worth *
i guess cardio is important too

by d-dee on Jan 21, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

You can't run worth asshat?

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 21, 2010 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

tee hee, i guess so

forgot VEB was a meme minefield

by d-dee on Jan 21, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

[watches carefully for glossary fodder]

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 21, 2010 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

I had an 800 OPS with 20 HRs

so optimistic but not ridiculously so.

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on Jan 21, 2010 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

i said yesterday if everything was f'ed up you could blame me

so go ahead, i was very optimistic & i’m certain my numbers didn’t add up

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 21, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I wish I would have written down my numbers

the only number I remember for sure was 22 hrs

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Jan 21, 2010 10:03 AM EST reply actions  

I don't remember mine either....

Dan if you get a chance, email me my numbers please.
Thanks

* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jan 21, 2010 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Doubles and triples

My projection was pretty much in line, except I figured Corona Rasputin for a lot more doubles and triples.
His teleportation skills may have been undervalued, so I checked Grady Sizemore (the Ur-Colby), who had 37 doubles and 11 triples in 2005 (his age 23 season), and 53! doubles and 11 triples in 2006 (his age 24 season).

by madridbend on Jan 21, 2010 10:11 AM EST reply actions  

It would be so sweet if Colby turned into Grady

Viva el Grolby Rasmore

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jan 21, 2010 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

/CG wet dream

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 21, 2010 10:37 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

doooood

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 21, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Grady Sizemore is amazing.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 21, 2010 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Point, arch support

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 21, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

but

the weird curly hair and the strange taste in “clothes”

same with colby’s hair and who can forget the dismembered micky mouse shirt

by d-dee on Jan 21, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

How about this:

Grady in a suit.
Normal clothes, shaved head. No distractions.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 21, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Okay not shaved.

But shorter.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 21, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

that's cheating

not many men look bad in a suit. but hair needs to be shorter
i don’t know, he’s okay looking just not sth i’d find attractive enough to notice

i’m not trying to offend you, i just find it interesting how much our tastes differ. that could be a strong foundation for true female friendship :)

by d-dee on Jan 21, 2010 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

It's not offensive.

I just don’t understand how you can be the only female I have ever met who doesn’t find Grady incredibly good looking.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 21, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

i don't know

i like rugged handsome more rather than obvious beauty

by d-dee on Jan 21, 2010 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

So like Viggo Mortensen (son?)?

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 21, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

nah, but maybe more that way

i gotta stop here before i get myself into trouble

by d-dee on Jan 21, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

see below

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Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Jan 21, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

bad suit

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Jan 21, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

shew...

i was afraid i wouldn’t get my daily wrasslin’ reference i have gotten so used to on here…

Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...

by nomar34 on Jan 21, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Huzzah for the WWF

oh sorry…WWE (Damn lawsuit). Can’t imagine how it was a big deal for those initials. Can’t seem to think that their business gets mixed up with wrestling often.

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jan 21, 2010 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

You don't think Grady Sizemore is gorgeous?

Have you seen him?
He is probably one of the more universally accepted attractive men in the world.
Beyond that he is an absolute beast at baseball.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 21, 2010 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

I must say

In my judgment (I’m sure that counts for so much in these matters) Grady seems way more conventionally handsome than Colby. Colby doesn’t have “movie star” looks, whereas Grady kinda does. I could almost see him on a soap opera or something. Although he does have goofy smiles sometimes.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jan 21, 2010 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

He has an amazing smile.

Grady is by far more conventionally attractive then Colby. Colby has this goofy look, that I personally, find adorable and very attractive. Grady is hot. That’s all there is to it.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 21, 2010 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Grady looks like a boy band graduate.

Colby looks like a twice repeating high school senior.

by arch support on Jan 21, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Colby's posture bothers me

Like if he’s not in detention, he’s expecting to end up in detention.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 21, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

That's a pretty good description

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jan 21, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

okay i must be too old or sth

(CG, no offense) i will never put Colby and the word handsome in one sentence unless preceded by not really. and the boy is downright weird but he can hit dingers and he’s on my team so i love him for it.

by d-dee on Jan 21, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

I never said he was handsome.

I said adorable. Very big difference.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 21, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

matty did

i just thought i’d include you just in case

by d-dee on Jan 21, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Hm

I did technically put them in the same sentence… however, the goal of the sentence was not to convey that Colby is in fact handsome, but that Grady is. I have no idea if I’d classify Colby as handsome or not. Since I’m a straight male it’s hard for me to tell if I think another male is “handsome” unless it’s fairly obvious. And it’s obvious that Grady is better looking in the “survey 100 women” sense than Colby.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jan 21, 2010 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

their both hot, yeah i said it

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 21, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I SAID GOOD DAY!

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 21, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Colby is strange looking.

Grady is hot.

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Jan 21, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

was there actually a line ffor double & triples on the form?

I don’t remember such things

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 21, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought the same thing...

went back and checked, and they weren’t there.

* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jan 21, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

whew

I am glad that this place hasn’t made me completely lose my mind….yet.

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 21, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

justifying high ISO

I predicted 485 slg – but only 21 homers for colby-wan, so i backfilled 32 2b and 5 3b. As a reality check, I looked at Grady to see if those were plausible. i was amazed at Grady’s 53 doubles/ 11 triples season.

by madridbend on Jan 21, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Am I off-base for feeling that the VEB projection feels pretty dead-on?

An OPS slightly below .800, over 20 HR, a high .200 BA, and an improved OBP all seem very reasonable to me.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 21, 2010 10:22 AM EST reply actions  

I feel it's a little bullish.

I think we’re expecting too much from Colby, given that he’ll be 23 most of the season, only his second in the majors.

.260/.325/.415 I think is a little more fair of an expectation. I don’t remember what my exact projection was, but it was something close to this. I had him down for 16 homers.

And don’t get me wrong: combined with his defense, a line like this would be a great season for him.

by arch support on Jan 21, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Append:
a line like this would be a great season for him.

…at this age. I expect quite a bit more of him in the seasons to come.

by arch support on Jan 21, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Some of the difference

between VEB’s projection and others is due to the difference in the number of AB’s. With Colby, there are some questions of his remaining healthy throughout the season, given the last few years. So, until he shows he can remain healthy, I would go more towards the low side. (BTW – I didn’t have a chance to vote – been on jury duty this week.)

by CRay on Jan 21, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I was thinking the same thing

I actually think he will get more ABs than the other projections show. He didn’t start regularly until probably June-ish. But he’s clearly the CF now for this team, and the loss of Duncan and (hopefully) Ankiel, as well as the addition of Matt Holliday likely means Colby gets 500+ ABs in 2010.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Jan 21, 2010 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I have to hope

And I say this with trepidation, that not even Tony LaRussa would stick Edmonds in CF right now, except in case of extreme emergency.

Play ball!

by IL and StL Fan on Jan 21, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah if Jimmy Baseball returns, I have to believe its as a corner OF only

and a 1B/3B backup, unless its an emergency. I can’t see JEd taking ABs away from Colby.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Jan 21, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think Edmonds has ever played third base

so it’d be LF/RF/1B only I reckon.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 21, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Although a LH throwing 3B who dives for everything

would really draw some fans, don’t you think?

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 21, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions   4 recs

I hope you're correct about the AB's

that means he stays healthy and TLR plays him most games.

by CRay on Jan 21, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

more ABs means

more ABs versus LHers. maybe not such a good thing for Colby’s slash line

by mikey_mac on Jan 21, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know about that.

Maybe I’m being overly optimistic, but he seemed to be having better ABs against lefties later in the year, and I think his split might indicate a lack of opportunities against LHP, rather than lack of skill.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Jan 21, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I would agree.

I don’t know that we can say he will definitely be terrible against lefties quite yet.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 21, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

even if he's better versus LHers than last year...

he’s certainly going to be worse against them than RHers. so projecting these inflated stat lines for next season when colby is likely going to be facing more LHers seems.. yeah, overly optimistic.
I reallllly hope he hits .270/.330 obp though.

by mikey_mac on Jan 21, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he hit lefties OK in the minors

so he should eventually be OK in the majors.

by CRay on Jan 21, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

His minor league splits page

Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.

by liam on Jan 21, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Seems to basiclaly support my statement

even though I was too lazy to look it up. His batting average is similar against both, with less power (and thus slugging) against lefties. I would take that this year.

by CRay on Jan 21, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Colby on his LHP in AA and below

He hit LHP poorly in AAA. AA pitchers normally have below average off speed stuff. Colby still can’t hit off speed stuff from LHP.

by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 21, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't provide a projection

but I think it’s about right. Without any evidence to back it up, it’s my impression that Colby underperformed his true talent level last season (and the one before, obviously). I liked his PAs in the NLDS, think he’s going to show solid improvement quite a bit short of a breakout this season.
That’s what the projection looks like to me.

Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.

by liam on Jan 21, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't sumbit a prediction

but I’d say (based on nothing) that Colby’s going to OPS closer to .750 than .800. Love to be wrong, of course.

I think watching him play CF all year is going to be hugely entertaining….he’s only going to get better out there. In fact I wonder what effect Colby’s defense will have on Holliday’s defense, since Lego isn’t going to have to range much into left-center compared to having a league-average center fielder.

by nota bene on Jan 21, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Pineiro signs with the Angels, 2/14

That’s a pretty damn good deal. He’s a legit good pitcher now.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 21, 2010 11:21 AM EST reply actions  

I thought it was 2/16?

I agree that it is a very good deal for the Angels. It’s funny that it is so similar to the one he signed with us after ’07.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 21, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

I thought 2/16.

As long as he’s Summer Joel it;s a good deal. If he’s what he was for his entire career other than three months in 2009, not so much.

by Mister Eff on Jan 21, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

One year makes him a legit good pitcher?

Good thing we didn’t give Welley 2/14 after his 2008

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 21, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I'm not buying the legit thing either.

I know Pinny’s got a few more peripherals going his way than, say, Wellemeyer.

But I still think the guy is due for a huge drop-off.

by arch support on Jan 21, 2010 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

I liked the Penny signing

I just don’t think Pineiro can repeat anything near what he did. His BB/9 rate will increase and won’t get as lucky as he did last year on GB’s.

by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 21, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

One year wonders

seldom continue to be great when they occur at Pineiro’s age. (Another statement that I have no support for.) I remember last year a lot of people were really upset we didn’t resign Miles. I was glad because I didn’t think he would ever have such a good year again as he did in 08. Pineiro may work out for the Angels, but I’m glad they spent the money rather than us.

by CRay on Jan 21, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Miles is different than Pineiro

For all intents and purposes, Miles did things the way he’s always done them in 2008. The only real difference was BABIP.

Pineiro completely changed his approach in 2009, thus it is likely to be more sustainable (although he also got lucky, as most pitchers do when they have really good years, so we should still predict a heavy amount of regression).

by vivaelpujols on Jan 21, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Point taken, but

Pineiro really tailed off late in the year, to the point I was hoping TLR was going to pick someone else to pitch game 3 of the playoffs. I had no confidence Pineiro would come out and pitch a good game. Perhaps he was worn out late in the year and simply couldn’t sustain his fine performance over most of the year. Or perhaps he reverted to form. In either case, I am not sorry to see him go elsewhere.

by CRay on Jan 21, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

he’s not likely to contend for a Cy Young again, but he’s not likely to completely revert to his pre-09 form either.

(Of course Angel Stadium is more favorable to hitters than Busch….)

by nota bene on Jan 21, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe,

Or he was the pitcher you’re describing for the first four months of the season and then normalized his HR/FB….you might want to check his pitch F/X splits for his last 7 regular season starts:

Last 7 Starts (2009 season rate in parenthesis)

FIP: 4.39 (3.21)
HR/FB: 11.6% (6.5%)
GB%: 56% (60%)
BABIP: .303 (.293)

Piniero was very lucky with HR/FB last year. Very. Lucky. Sure, his large amount of ground balls certainly had something to do with it, but the HR/FB and a .10 bump in BABIP is essentially all that really changed in his peripherals in those last 7 starts, yet his FIP went up almost a run. Hitter’s weren’t getting lucky on balls in play (if anything he was a bit lucky the rest of the year) it was his inability to keep the ball in the park that led to his struggles. He was even throwing the same percentage of strikes (65%)

Sure, he changed as a pitcher, but that doesn’t mean that he wasn’t more successful that he will be in the future in the span of that one year. He’ll have to face 3 more actual hitters per 7 innings this year (no more pitcher’s hitting) and he’ll play in a league that has better offensive talent. The Angels’ infield defense isn’t as good as the Cardinals’ infield defense, so more of his ground balls may go for hits as well.

I think he’ll have a tough time posting an FIP near 4.00 this year and I would bet a couple hundred internet dollars that both Brad Penny AND Kyle Lohse will be better in 2010 by xFIP.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 21, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

is 7 starts a large enough sample size

to really judge HR/FB? (Not a rhetorical question, I have no idea.)

Maybe it was just a blip, or maybe he wore down at the end of the season and wasn’t hitting the bottom third quite as often….

by nota bene on Jan 21, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

HR/FB is out of a pitchers control for the most part

However, 7 starts isn’t enough to be predictive of either K rate, BB rate, GB rate or anything else really. It’s more predictive than the previous 7 starts, but not nearly as predictive as the entire season.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 21, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

wha?

I strongly disagree with your subject, sir.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 21, 2010 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

This part?
HR/FB is out of a pitchers control for the most part

by vivaelpujols on Jan 21, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes.

I mean, certainly there is some component that is out of a pitcher’s control, but all else being equal, crappy pitchers give up more HR/FB than do good pitchers. That’s one of the reasons they are crappy pitchers.

There is certainly variability from year to year, but that doesn’t mean it is out of a pitcher’s control.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 21, 2010 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I said "mostly"

And for our purposes, it’s IMPOSSIBLE, to tell whether a pitcher is a good HR/FB pitcher or a bad one based off of 1 or 2 years of data. The sample size is simply too small.

So yes, you are correct that pitchers do have control over HR/FB rate – but for the purposes of projecting based off of a couple years of stats, they don’t.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 21, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I disagree heavily

I look more into his Pitch f/x splits though. As a rule of thumb, taking an isolated 7 starts out of a pitchers performance is not going to be very predictive compared to a whole years worth of performance.

His xFIP on the year was 3.68 per FanGraphs (and 4.19 the year before – he was very unlucky in 2008). If you do a simple weighted Marcel’s (including 200 innings of league average pitching) of xFIP, you get a projection for 3.99. If you weigh this years numbers higher due to the addition of a new pitch, you get around 3.9.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 21, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not trying to be predictive

I’m just saying that his last 7 starts were average to below average and nothing changed much except his historically low HR/FB rate from the rest of the year. This could indicate that he was very fortunate only to give up 1 homer in the first, what, 3 1/2 months of the season? With a HR/FB normalized, he will probably be around 4.00 like you say, and the differences in league, defense, and a below average BABIP could regress him to near league average.

I just wouldn’t bet on him being a sub-4.00 FIP pitcher in 2010. It seemed like everything went his way last year until September and then he looked very much like the old Pinny with a few more ground balls.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 21, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

...
With a HR/FB normalized, he will probably be around 4.00 like you say

His xFIP was 3.68 on the year. There is no need to use his last 7 starts to show how well he would have pitched with a normalized HR/FB ratio. We already know! I agree that his ERA should be about 4 next year – maybe a little higher because he moved to the AL.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 21, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

20% of his strikeouts came against pitchers

He won’t be pitching against pitchers this year except for MAYBE one or two starts.

So, do you think that a guy with a 3.6 K/9 is going to put up a sub 4.00 FIP in the American League?

If so, I have some land in southern Florida you might be interested in.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 21, 2010 9:21 PM EST up reply actions  

...
So, do you think that a guy with a 3.6 K/9 is going to put up a sub 4.00 FIP in the American League?

maybe a little higher because he moved to the AL.

There seems to be a disconnect.

If you are asking me what I think Pineiro will do next year, I’ve already answered that question multiple times.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 21, 2010 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup

and I disagree with you analysis because I think you’ve left out a lot of things that you should have considered. I’ve tried to point this out but:

  • You scream “SAMPLE SIZE!!!!”

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 21, 2010 9:35 PM EST up reply actions  

i scream for ice cream

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 9:36 PM EST up reply actions  

coldstone cake batter FTW

do they have coldstone in the midwest?

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Jan 21, 2010 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

They have them around Chicago

I can’t speak of other locales.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 21, 2010 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah.

Not as many in my area because we have Spill the Beans which is by far the best ice cream place ever.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 21, 2010 9:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd still rather have Spill the Beans taste wise.

Awesomeness wise Ted Drewes wins. And it’s frozen custard, not ice cream.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 21, 2010 9:47 PM EST up reply actions  

they have on in columbia

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 9:49 PM EST up reply actions  

OK, now I really want some ice cream

But I ain’t got any and the baby’s in bed, so no dessert for me…
Thanks VEBers. Looks like it’s booze for dessert again.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jan 21, 2010 10:08 PM EST up reply actions  

This should go here.

* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jan 21, 2010 9:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't scream

I said that 7 starts is not as important as 33 (or whatever) starts. And you said that the entire reason you were using those 7 starts was to show how Pineiro would look with normal luck on HR/FB.

I showed you his xFIP, on the season, which does exactly what you were trying to do with your 7 start sample.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 21, 2010 9:37 PM EST up reply actions  

this is true

i wanted to slam you earlier and i pulled up his xFIP and then i was like oh

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by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 9:38 PM EST up reply actions  

No, it wasn't what I was pointing out actually

I was pointing out that his last (read: final) 7 starts of the season, as well as his start in the playoffs, were pretty awful compared to the rest of his season.

Now, if they were his first 7 starts, I’d agree with you, but they aren’t. They’re his last 7 starts, meaning he didn’t end the year well, also meaning that because they all occurred at the end of the season, therefore they’re relevant. I’m not picking his 7 worst starts of the year, just his last seven.

I don’t see what sample size has to do with it. but as I don’t want a dissertation from you on statistical samples (which in this case have nothing to do with the point) I just gave up. It’s not fun nor interesting to argue with someone who is always right.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 21, 2010 9:42 PM EST up reply actions  

You really need to read my posts

YOU are the one predicting him to be a 4.00 FIP pitcher next year, not me.

My problem is that you’re dismissing those 7 starts like they didn’t happen at the end of the season and were just random variation in a superb season. I think you are drastically underestimating the importance of the fact that they all occurred at the end of the season and that they all occurred in a row at the end of the season.

Sure, they’re factored into his whole season, but if you look at his first 25 starts he looks like a Cy Young winner — if you look at his last 8 starts (including playoffs) he looks like a #4 starter.

I would also posit that the guy’s entire fucking career is probably more predictive than one season.

You also continue to claim that he “learned a new pitch” therefore he’s a better pitcher. I’ve yet to see you provide detailed evidence of other players developing a “new” pitch that then resurrects their career for an extended period of time.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 21, 2010 10:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I already stated my opinion and backed it up with evidence

I’m not 100% sure of my opinion, but I think it’s much more likely than what you are stating.

I’ve given you Pineiro’s pitch f/x data below. If you need anything else to prove you point, just ask me.

Otherwise stop making statements that you have no backing for.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 21, 2010 10:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I've backed up my statements plenty

You just dismiss them because you have a database of pitch f/x data.

FWIW, his data for the last 7 starts isn’t much different in pitch f/x from the rest of his season. If I was you, that would make me MORE worried, not less.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 21, 2010 10:18 PM EST up reply actions  

There is nothing special about having a pitch f/x database

I’ve posted directions at BtB on how to set one up. In fact, you don’t even need a Pitch f/x database – I’ve given you the data!

Your evidence on this thread has been showing me his FIP in his last 7 starts of the season. I’m sorry, but that pales in comparison to all the evidence I have given to support Pineiro’s improvement in 2009.

If you want to argue with me about this, than you have to at least match the ammount of evidence I’ve given.

I’ve given you the data. Either do something with it or shut up.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 21, 2010 10:26 PM EST up reply actions  

See, this is the problem, right here:
If you want to argue with me about this, than you have to at least match the ammount of evidence I’ve given.

This is why people don’t ever want to argue with you — you just throw this shit in their face and then walk away. “See, I’m mathematically superior to you so why don’t you just STFU!!!”. What a crock.

I’ve given you ample evidence as to why I think he will regress more than you’ve predicted. I’ve even pointed out the holes in your logic a number of times. You just don’t want to believe any of it because you are always right and anyone who’s telling you that you might be overestimating things is either a fucking moron or simply can’t read.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 22, 2010 8:52 AM EST up reply actions  

You haven't given me ample evidenc!!!1

Fourstick, I don’t know what the fuck you are trying to pull here.

I’ve looked at EVERY SINGLE PITCH Pineiro threw last year compared to 2008. I looked at his pitch selection, stuff, movement, pitch selection by count, location.

You quoted his FIP in 7 starts last year. That is NOT ample evidence. I’m not dismissing your evidence because I disagree with it, or because “I’m mathematically superior”. I’m dismissing it because it is CRAP compared to the evidence I have given.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 22, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

YOU are the one predicting him to be a 4.00 FIP pitcher next year, not me.

And Marcel, and CHONE, and the FanGraphs fans, to be fair…

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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 22, 2010 7:49 AM EST up reply actions  

The point is

I’m not trying to be predictive here. I’m simply stating that he was a 4.50+ FIP pitcher for the previous 7 seasons prior to 2009 and one good season does not wipe all that shittiness away, and the fact that he was a 4.39 FIP pitcher over his last seven starts may be an indicator that he’s due to regress mightily next season.

VEP doesn’t want to admit this, but deep down he knows that this does in fact matter. It just fucks up his prediction so he screams about sample sizes and everything else under the sun so that he can ignore the point, and it’s a valid point.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 22, 2010 8:55 AM EST up reply actions  

No, I'm sick of his shit

I do a complete Pitch f/x analysis, looking at every single pitch Pineiro has thrown over the past 2 years, spending multiple hours doing so.

He shows me Pineiro’s FIP in his last 7 starts, as if that’s supposed to prove anything, and accuses me of dismissing evidence? That bullshit and I’m not going to stand for it.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 22, 2010 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Here Fourstcik

This is all of Pineiro’s Pitch f/x data from 2009.

http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AmhtqthzQ8zFdGlKTzhrUUYzcGFBOFVFNW1VNDQ3aWc&hl=en

I’ve already looked at all of Pineiro’s pitch f/x data from last year and 2008. I’ve spent hours dissecting the data, and have already posted my opinion several times at this blog.

If you want to argue against that, than you need to look at the data, and show me where I am wrong.

If you need any help, just ask.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 21, 2010 9:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Let me lay out my case

I’ve researched a lot into Pineiro’s improvement last year. I’ll summarize the main things I found:

1) He added a sinker
2) He threw a much higher percentage of fastballs
3) He threw about 3% more pitches in the strikezone, all of which ended up in the bottom third

The added sinker and the extra pitches down in the strikezone obviously lead to more groundballs. i don’t know if the 60% is sustainable, but it should definitely be much higher than his career 45% rate.

The fact that he threw more fastballs means that batters made more contact off of him. When you combine that with the fact that he threw more pitches in the strikezone, his walk rate should be expected to be lower than his career rate. Ditto his K rate for the same reasons.

I wouldn’t know how to go about predicting a player from Pitch f/x data, however, we can use some basic logic here.

The average pitcher will generally do what Marcel’s projects, if things remain constant. That comes with a 5-4-3 weighting a previous years stats. However, since Pineiro definitively changed his approach next year, we should weigh his 2009 more heavily.

Basic Marcel’s projects 176 innings and a ~4.00 ERA, good for 3 WAR. Marcel’s with adjusted weighing will be higher. Assuming 3.5 million per WAR in 2010 and 4 million per WAR in 2011, a 2/16 deal has him around 2 WAR per season. He projects to be much higher than that.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 21, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

He also had a career year in control

that’s highly abberant relative to previous years. Much like Ludwick hit a ton of line drives in his great 2008, it’s a real skill but the likelihood of repeating it at that level is low.

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by azruavatar on Jan 21, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

His command was better yes

But that’s a function of 3 things from what I can tell so far.

1) He threw more fastballs, which are easier to control than offspeed pitches
2) He allowed more contact, especially early in the count
3) He got a few extra strikes called his way

The first two seam sustainable, and the last one isn’t. I agree that his walk rate will go up, but I think it will still be well below his career averages.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 21, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

also

his first-strike percentage, and percentage of pitchers’ counts, was higher than his career rate.

That, to me, is HUGELY significant. It is a LOT easier to avoid walks and to improve your command numbers if you’re at 0-1 and 1-2 counts more often.

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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 22, 2010 7:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Not to mention his insane luck on HR/FB

Even really good sinkerball pitchers like Webb and Lowe generally have around a league average HR/FB — Piniero was WAY below that most of 2009, then things normalized in his last 7 starts or so and he ended up with an FIP of 4.39 in those starts.

He could do just about everything he did all year long, but if he allows a league average number of homers on fly balls, his FIP looks to be about league average or worse.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 21, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Also it's different than with Ludwick

LD% isn’t actually a real thing, it’s simply an estimate by the stringers. They will obviously make a non-trivial amount of errors in judgment (which is why UZR has so much measurement error). So when a guy puts up a 27% LD rate like Luddy did last year, it’s likely that A) he hit a lot of long drives, and B) a lot of his fly balls were classified as line drives.

Pineiro’s command is a much more tangible thing, and so it’s more likely to be repeatable than Luddy’s LD%. The question is how repeatable is it? I don’t see any reason why it wouldn’t be more repeatable than any other stat, like K-rate or BB-rate.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 21, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree that we have a harder time isolating

Ludwicks true talent LD capacity while Pineiro’s walk numbers serve as a much better proxy for his command. That doesn’t mean that the ability is more stable simply that the metric is.

As far as whether it’s repeatable, this same debate occurred when Ryan Franklin had his great command after coming to StL only to see it revert to normal the next year. I know that’s an anecdotal example but Pineiro has never displayed that kind of command before and there is real reason to expect significant regression in that realm. Given his high % of balls in play, more walks are going to be more detrimental to him than to a pitcher who strikes out 7 guys per game.

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by azruavatar on Jan 21, 2010 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

After re-reading this

I think I’m quibbling. Pineiro is likely to be a 2+ win pitcher next year. Relative to someone like Marquis, I’m surprised he wasn’t able to get more this offseason.

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by azruavatar on Jan 21, 2010 7:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Then again though

he might completely regress back to 2007-2008 form.

He’s a very difficult person to try and project.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 21, 2010 9:22 PM EST up reply actions  

The thing about...

a 2/16 for Pineiro instead of Penny is that you would pre-set the 2011 payroll at almost exactly $100 million. That’s sort of a crazy thing to do when there’s a number of guys who could fall off a cliff in 2010 and need to be replaced.

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by guayzimi on Jan 21, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Appears to be, unless I've erred...

Holliday – 17m
Pujols – 16m
Ludwick – 8m (optional)
Ryan – 2.5m (optional)
Skip – 4.5m (optional)
Molina – 5.25m
Carp – 15m
Wainwright – 6.5m
Lohse – 11.9m
Franklin 3.5m
Miller 2m (optional)

Total (with Ryan, Ludwick, Skip tendered, and Miller picked up) = 92.5m

Assume $2.5 million for Rasmus, Freese, Garcia, Motte, Boggs, and Hawksworth

Total = 95m

Holes: One starter, three bullpen arms, and four bench guys

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by guayzimi on Jan 21, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

shouldn't we direct our anger at the FO?

they’re the asshats that gave him all that cash

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by gdm426 on Jan 21, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

No kidding...

Skip is gone after 2010, almost guaranteed. Ludwick will probably be traded. The Mang will take a relatively small 2011 salary in return for a mountain of cash later on…

This will free up $15 million. Freese will be at third, Descalso/TGreene at second, Craig in right if he can manage it… Then we can fill out the roster.

NO MOAR EXTENSIONS PLZ…

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by guayzimi on Jan 21, 2010 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Why would Skip and Ludwick be gone?

Maybe Ludwick if he doesn’t have a better year than last. But I think Skip will be here in 2011

by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 21, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I think they'll...

really be desperate to clear payroll. It’ll depend on how Descalso or Greene do.

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by guayzimi on Jan 21, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

my sources say Lohse is traded after this offseason

so he won’t be here in 2011.

Yeah, I know about the NTC, my sources say that doesn’t matter.

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by mattyfrommo on Jan 21, 2010 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Your sources haven't

been right yet this year.

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by RiverRat on Jan 21, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

yes they have, just not in any baseball related sense

This is when that all changes. Mark down this day, mark it down!

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by mattyfrommo on Jan 21, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

let's all hope

Lohse has a career year in 2010 and gets traded to the Yanks in the following offseason.

(Perhaps he can learn a one-seamer and pitch to contact….)

by nota bene on Jan 21, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

true

but welly wasn’t that good in 2008. Pineiro was much, much better in 2009. Pineiro isn’t as good as he was last year but I think if he keeps that sinker going as his main pitch, he’ll be a solidly above-average, durable guy. Probably exactly what the angels needed after losing Lackey, tbh. I’d rather spend $16m on Pineiro than $85m on Lackey any day.

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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 21, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd love to see a query for

Year 1: FIP > 4
Year 2: FIP < 3.5
Year 3: FIP = ?

Or something like that. Point being he was a really bad starting pitcher (he actually was bumped out of the rotation he was so bad) for a few years and looked to be headed out of baseball. I’m still not sure this is a wage I’d want to make though I understand why the Angels did it.

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by azruavatar on Jan 21, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Azru

The contract pays him like a 2-2.5 WAR player per year. Basic Marcels has Pinhead at 176 innings and ~4.00 ERA. That’s good for about 3 WAR. When you consider his drastic change in approach last year, we should be weighing his 2009 season a little heavier than we otherwise would, meaning his projected WAR should be around 3.5.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 21, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

The corollary to a heavier weight

is that Pineiro can sustain the mechanical/pitch type changes with Dave Duncan. If you think he can, then it’s a great deal and your valuation is right. If you think he can’t, then he could quickly turn into a pumpkin. It’s a good deal but it doesn’t blow my mind. I’d have been pleased if the Cardinals had handed out this out but I also think Pineiro has a higher risk than other players we’d project to a 3 WAR season; that’s all I’m saying.

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by azruavatar on Jan 21, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

The marcel projection

is that corrected for the DH league?

Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.

by liam on Jan 21, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

by my count we now have picks 25, 45, and 46.

That sound right? Three picks in the top 50? Sounds good to me.

Nothing like the angels’ haul (figgins and lackey) or even the red sox (bay and wagner), but still a nice deal.

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by tom s. on Jan 21, 2010 12:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

49th not 46th

Following how River Ave Blues has the order, I believe, the Cards second Type B comp pick will follow the Tigers and Rangers second Type B pick

by ubeddie on Jan 21, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Jeez

the redsox have had such an amazing off-season. They’ve massively improved on the park, not signed Bay, and not spent much money, and STILL have two first rounders (don’t forget that they lose one for Lackey!).

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 22, 2010 7:54 AM EST up reply actions  

and the sad thing is

they still won’t win their division unless the yankees have multiple key injuries.

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by SleepyCA on Jan 22, 2010 9:16 PM EST up reply actions  

2/16

and really, I’m glad the Cards didn’t go after him. I don’t think he’ll be the Jo-El of 08 and 09 again.

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by zoomzoomj88 on Jan 21, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

i would love colby to produce that

really, any of those projections would satisfy me

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by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 11:59 AM EST reply actions  

Any help from Cincy area VEB-ers

My friends and family are going to try to go to Opening Day in Cincy this year. We need 6 tickets and I’m wondering if you’ve heard any word on when single game tickets go on-sale.

In the local Pittsburgh paper here, they said that Pirates tickets go on sale Jan. 30th. If anyone in the Cincy area has seen anything like that, please…let me know.

by Hardcore Legend on Jan 21, 2010 12:03 PM EST reply actions  

seems like not too long ago

that they had something like the record for most consecutive sellouts

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by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes they did.

Attendance has however fallen off a cliff. Like sometimes there are literally only like 500 people there, maybe. And by the end sometimes there are only about 100 people that I can see. I am very bad at judging numbers but it is an empty stadium most of the time.
They loved playing the cardinals because the stadium at least looked full.

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by ClemsonGirl on Jan 21, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

seems like they have a rather high payroll

for attendance of 51.5% at home
how’s that even possible?

by d-dee on Jan 21, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

That's why they traded Cliff Lee.

They have been cutting payroll as much they can recently.

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by ClemsonGirl on Jan 21, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

It already did.

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by ClemsonGirl on Jan 21, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

well on the bright side

you can always get good seats
do you go often?

by d-dee on Jan 21, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Cleveland's like 10 hours away so no.

The good seats are still expensive. It’s not like Kauffman Stadium (Royals). Those seats are cheap.

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by ClemsonGirl on Jan 21, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Like sometimes there are literally only like 500 people there, maybe.

I think you’ve used the word “literally” in its sportscasting sense, there. No problem, given this is a sports blog!

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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 21, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah. Not really literally.

I was going to try to say what it actually was but then I remembered I’m not good at telling how many people are in a certain place.

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by ClemsonGirl on Jan 21, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Non-Political Anecdote.

I am telling this story because it is a humorous use of the word “literally.” Being in Iowa, we have a fair amount of would-be presidents trapsing around and giving speeches. I’ve been known to attend these events.. At one of these events, a candidate stated that some legislators in Washington D.C. “are literally in bed with lobbyists.” While probably true in a very narrow sense, this individual of course, did not mean to use “literally.” The candidate was, of course, referring to campaign contributions and legislative receptions and the like. It was funny because a lot of people giggled, catching the misuse of “literally.” I often wish there was a real-time, in-person audience to laugh at sports announcers’ misuse of the adverb and to look at one another confusedly when the broadcasters make no sense…

Announcer: “Jimmy Rollins literally stole second base!”

[Crowd begins to murmur and look around, pointing out the fact that second base is still safety implanted at its rightful place on the diamond, with Jimmy Rollins taking a lead as the pitcher delivers the next pitch to the plate.]

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by bgh on Jan 21, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

although i would really love to see

Jimmy Rollins bag under arm running like the wind out of the stadium

by d-dee on Jan 21, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

hehe

I would like to see games happen as announcers announce.

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by ClemsonGirl on Jan 21, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

He fists it fair into left field!

Rips the ball down the baseline!

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jan 21, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh Chip Caray's games would be interesting.

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by ClemsonGirl on Jan 21, 2010 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Lloyd McClendon

literally DID steal third base. Literally.

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by fourstick on Jan 21, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

The proof

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by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 21, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

What is that Ump looking at?

The mysterious hole in the ground that suddenly appeared?

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by Taskmaster on Jan 21, 2010 9:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Same thing Denkinger was looking at?

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by ducttape16 on Jan 21, 2010 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

One of my favourites was a cricket commentator a few years ago

saying that a ball from a fast bowler had “literally” cut a batsman in half. Messy.

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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 22, 2010 7:56 AM EST up reply actions  

HL,

I would sign up for the Reds’ official website newsletter. You can register for the Redlegs News here (bottom right). They will give you reminders on single-game ticket sales. I believe St. Louis did not start selling single-game tickets until February last year. Clubs had different dates for this. (I think that is because of MLB’s server or something.) The Royals’ tickets went on sale before the Cardinals’, if I remember correctly.

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by bgh on Jan 21, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

i was wondering about the MLB server

is it all centralized? i mean the websites are pretty much all the same template with different graphics and content. do clubs actually have IT departments or is it all MLB taking care of the content and administration etc.?

by d-dee on Jan 21, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

gdm said he was going on a runner,

but when he sobers up he might have some help for you.

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by RiverRat on Jan 21, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

that never panned out, but if anyone wants reds tickets just email me about the dates

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by gdm426 on Jan 21, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

who doesn't?

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by gdm426 on Jan 21, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

From Leach:

“I’m not going to say I’d rather [start],” McClellan said. “The way I look at it is, I’m going to go in and prove to them that I can pitch in the rotation and I can pitch in the bullpen, and let them determine where they think I’m going to best help this team. But if I go in and I don’t pitch well in the rotation, I feel like I’m not doing my job of giving them the choice to give them a little bit of flexibility.”

Whether or not it’s a good idea for K-Mac to start, this seems like the right way for him to approach it.

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by EinFesteBusch on Jan 21, 2010 12:04 PM EST reply actions  

Boggs

is taking the same approach, and that’s a good thing. He’s kind of known as a two-pitch pitcher, but I think both his slider and curve could be plus pitches. I’d hate to see him abandon the curve and turn into a ROOGY.

Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.

by liam on Jan 21, 2010 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

the globe also has a good read on KMac

he’s lost a lot of weight thanks to his lovely wife. now if she could only teach him out to pitch we might be onto something

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by gdm426 on Jan 21, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll have to bookmark the Globe

B.J. Rains did a good job working with Matthew Leach last season.

Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.

by liam on Jan 21, 2010 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

i made that move this week, he's doing some good work so far

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 21, 2010 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

both of the Rains are

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 21, 2010 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

didn't kmac have a chance to be in the rotation last year?

… it was shot down by a rubber fail of sorts, no?

30-pitch innings and repeated hammers in the dirt. it’s already got me unnerved.

by mikey_mac on Jan 21, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Here's

an article from about this time last year, the last time K-Mac was being considered for the rotation. Apparently, it’s been a pretty popular topic of discussion for at least a year and a half with the Redbird brass, so they surely know the pros and cons well enough by now.

Heaven has brick walls and St. Peter is a red bird.

by EinFesteBusch on Jan 21, 2010 10:51 PM EST up reply actions  

i was really high on K-Mac -----> rotation this time last year

he seemed to have a Carp-esque (though obv. not as good) arsenal that I thought could fit into the mid-rotation. After 2009, not so much. I think losing a couple of ticks off the fastball could make him a real liability. There’s also some suggestion that his body’s not up to the rigours of going 6 innings every 5th day (partly why he moved to the pen in the minors, i think).

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 22, 2010 7:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Wow

The Mariners with Sheets would have an incredible playoff rotation.

I’ll be at all three games of that series and am already looking forward to it.

Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.

by liam on Jan 21, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Orlando Hudson

This happened last year too. I’m really surprised he’s still around. Picking him up doesn’t seem to have much downside. He projects to have a .333 wOBA, and his fielding at 2B hasn’t been god-awful (was 4 runs below average last year). Don’t think it hurts one bit to have someone sharing time with Skip.

"But as the leadoff guy that inning, my job is to get on base and let guys drive me in." - Albert Pujols 8/20/09, base-clogger.

by lightbulb on Jan 21, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

we do already

and he will give you a death stare if you try and replace him

plus isnt hudson a lefty too?

by FunkeeC on Jan 21, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Death star or not

He projects pretty poorly offensively and defensively no matter where you put him.

And I think Hudson switch hits.

"But as the leadoff guy that inning, my job is to get on base and let guys drive me in." - Albert Pujols 8/20/09, base-clogger.

by lightbulb on Jan 21, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Death star, Death stare. same diff.

"But as the leadoff guy that inning, my job is to get on base and let guys drive me in." - Albert Pujols 8/20/09, base-clogger.

by lightbulb on Jan 21, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Its All Marketing....

…of course the rebels would blow up a Death Star, wouldn’t you? But blow up a Happy Cute Pink Fluffy Bunny Star, I think not…

;=8)

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Jan 21, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

yes but...

now remember to only use his splits against lefties, not a projections against all pitchers as he will primarily (knock on wood) be used to platoon w/ skip. and then what is hudson going to sign for and what does he hit against lefties himself? is the upgrade (if any) worth it relative to the increase over the league min that we owe lugo?

by FunkeeC on Jan 21, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

He's arguably a floppy-plan-B

.350-360 OBP in the #2 hole, batting righty at 2B and batting lefty at 3B as a Skip/Freese dual platoon partner. That said, I dunno if I’m very high on him – he’s been running a pretty big BABIP for the last couple of years, and his defense seems to have regressed to solidly below-average. Plus he hasn’t really played much 3B in his pro career.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 22, 2010 8:05 AM EST up reply actions  

I have to come clean guys....

I have never submitted a projection. Not for Colby not for anyone. Not sure why but just have not.

by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 21, 2010 1:16 PM EST reply actions  

I don't always participate.

I don’t know what makes me decide whether or not to do a projection.

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Jan 21, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

I basically just do the projections if I feel like it, or if it’s a certain player. sometimes I just skip doing the projection… at least that’s what I did at first. might fill them all out this year since that google document thing is super easy to fill out

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 21, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I always do the projections!

Because I care. I really care. Eff is so right, you people are a disgrace to this blog!

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 21, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I got cured

from projections after doing one for K. Greene last year (which was only SLIGHTLY wrong/ sarcasm). Though I don’t think we did projections, I also thought Wellemeyer would have a fine year last year, since he had a successful year (08) to build on. So, I don’t think I should be allowed do any additional ones – :)

by CRay on Jan 21, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

It takes effort

And I don’t read blogs at work while on conference calls so that I can put out effort.

by sdrone on Jan 21, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I never have either

namely cause I don’t want to bring this number down with random shots in the dark. I’d really only be hurting the process if I submitted numbers.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 21, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I've only been here about a year...

but I have never submitted one either. I feel like if I make projections I will a) follow those projections too closely because I’m just like that. and b) i would be worried that by making a projection i would somehow jinx their season. so i abstain out of love for the team

"A slick way to out-figure a person is to get him figuring you figure he's figuring you're figuring he'll figure you aren't really figuring what you want him to figure you figure." ~ Whitey Herzog

by birdsonabat on Jan 21, 2010 1:46 PM EST reply actions  

I used to submit projections

but I didn’t do any last year. I’m not sure why. maybe I’m getting more and more dim.

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by madding on Jan 21, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Got this note from a friend, and wanted to pass it along...

Home Depot Scam-

A “heads up” for those of you who may be regular Home Depot (or Lowes) customers. Over the last month I became a victim of a clever scam while out shopping.

Simply going out to get home improvement supplies has turned out to be quite traumatic. Don’t be naive enough to think it couldn’t happen to you.

Here’s how the scam works: Two seriously good-looking 20-21 year-old girls approach you in the parking lot as you are packing your misc. purchases into the trunk. They both start wiping your windshield with a cloth and Windex, with their skimpy t-shirts rubbing against the glass.

It is impossible not to look. When you thank them and offer them a tip, they say “No” and instead ask you for a ride to McDonalds. You agree and they get in the back seat. On the way, they start fooling around with each other. Then one of them climbs over into the front seat and rubs against you, while the other one steals your wallet.

I had my wallet stolen on September 4th, 9th, 10th, twice on the 15th, 17th, 20th and 24th. Also October 1st, 3rd, twice on the 7th, three times just yesterday and very likely again this upcoming weekend. So be careful!

by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 21, 2010 2:18 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

I Cudn't get Passed...

…the 4th paragraph. What were we discussing??

;=8)

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Jan 21, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

well i'm not allowed to leave the basement so i think i'm safe

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 21, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

FIP - wise

Garland and Padilla are predicted to be fairly similar pitchers in 2010

by _pistol_ on Jan 21, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Garland is the better strike thrower though

I would guess he’d be a better bet on a Dave Duncan staff.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 21, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Me three!

We have to be getting him, right? I can’t imagine why no one else would have made an offer yet.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Jan 21, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I Want Smoltz...

….AND Wang to sign to a Minor league deal!
:=8)

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Jan 21, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

I am the Batman
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by CodyG on Jan 21, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

corrected

But it seems like no one wants to play for the Mets this offseason outside of Jason Bay

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by STLRegalia on Jan 21, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I have no clue why smoltz would want to go to the Mets this year

surely he wants to play for a contender in (probably) his last year?

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 22, 2010 8:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Ok

Garland, Floppy, and (maybe) Edmonds

OR

Smoltz

That’s probably about the same amount of money on both sets of players. Makes the decision a little harder doesn’t it?

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 21, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I would like to find out what Freese can do

More than I want Floppy. They project about the same and Freese is basically free.

Always been a big Smoltz fan…

Garland would be OK…you know what you are getting. It would allow Garcia really to recover.

Play ball!

by IL and StL Fan on Jan 21, 2010 8:14 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm in this camp too

i want to find out what players can do almost too much. i was ready to take the pick for holliday just because i wanted to see what AC was made of

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 8:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I like the idea of

getting Calero & Floppy (@ third)….I think that roster would look pretty damn good.

by nota bene on Jan 21, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Those are my two picks as well

If we don’t get Floppy we have no one to hit #2 in the lineup. Furthermore, we can then spin Lugo for a swingman…maybe Andy Sonnanstine?

"I learned a long time ago if you keep checking your stats all year, you're going to end up in the toilet." - Chris Carpenter, 2009.

by indakind on Jan 21, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

can we really get anything for Lugo?

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

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by mattyfrommo on Jan 21, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

why would the rays want lugo?

I am the Batman
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by CodyG on Jan 21, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

You're probably right

I was just throwing it out as an example of what you might get back for him. Lugo, despite his defensive warts, does have a plus bat. Furthermore, he is only going to be paid the minimum by the Cards or any team he is traded to so he is essentially free salary-wise.

"I learned a long time ago if you keep checking your stats all year, you're going to end up in the toilet." - Chris Carpenter, 2009.

by indakind on Jan 21, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you have to wait for some team to get desperate

Should a guy like Wilson get injured and they get desperate for a replacement, we can maybe get something out of it.

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jan 21, 2010 9:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Lugo, despite his defensive warts, does have a plus bat.

I think the stats would disagree with you there.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 22, 2010 8:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Nah

Depends on the use. Garland is much better insurance than Smoltz, but Smoltz has a higher ceiling and experience starting and relieving.

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jan 21, 2010 9:32 PM EST up reply actions  

STLRegalia likes this comment

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Jan 21, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

rec'ing is a little different, though, right?

I imagine I would use this hypothetical “like” button instead of a “+1” comment.

But I suppose I would also “like” all the things I rec’d. Hmmm.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Jan 21, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

but

just because I like something doesn’t mean I would recommend it for other people.
(reaching)

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Jan 21, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

cody goes around looking at who rec's what, so just ask him

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 21, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

you told me to quit that though

and I’m trying really hard.

I am the Batman
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by CodyG on Jan 21, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

so now you starting listening to me?

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 21, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Jan 21, 2010 1421 MST

the downfall of CodyG begins.

* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jan 21, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought it was the night before christmas thread.

look it up, you’ll see what I mean.

I am the Batman
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by CodyG on Jan 21, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

i don't have that kind of time kid, just tell me what went down

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 21, 2010 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

don't be lazy man

I am the Batman
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by CodyG on Jan 21, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

i just don't have that kind of time man

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 21, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

link or screen shot?

I am the Batman
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by CodyG on Jan 21, 2010 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Basically, he's saying

he’s the one who set off the robot. I think.

* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jan 21, 2010 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I started the ban , mu ha ha ha.

I am the Batman
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by CodyG on Jan 21, 2010 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

It looks like the Edmonds fanpost is down

and while I don’t wanna get in a philosophical debate about fanposts/fanshots again…I knew it would happen after I made what was probably my only worthwhile contribution to this site ever…robble,robble.

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 21, 2010 2:51 PM EST reply actions  

If only!

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

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by mattyfrommo on Jan 21, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I just used my vast knowledge of VEB

to tell people how to get 50 freakin fanposts on the front page.

Not much of a contribution, but it’s the only thing I could ever hang my hat on. Well that and my ability to overuse tired idioms.

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 21, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

...sometimes

I park in handicap spaces, while handicap people make handicap faces….

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Jan 21, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I drive really slow

in the ultra fast lane
while people behind me
are going insane

I’m an asshole-e-o-e-o……

by nota bene on Jan 21, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

how is this acceptable

but d-dee uses the word gay incorrectly and is drawn and quartered.
might this be a bit insulting to the handicapped?

by _pistol_ on Jan 21, 2010 5:52 PM EST up reply actions  

yes, leary

but because it’s part of pop culture, doesnt make it right.

by _pistol_ on Jan 21, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

true

we couldn’t go around quoting eminem songs.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Jan 21, 2010 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

don't make me

pull out some lisa lampanelli deaf people quotes…

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Jan 21, 2010 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

hahahahaha

no one is better at being completely offensive than Lisa Lampanelli.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Jan 21, 2010 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

boog?

Sorry, I’m new. Why is he called boog?

by Hootie Who on Jan 21, 2010 3:03 PM EST reply actions  

no one reall knows

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

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by mattyfrommo on Jan 21, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Because Boog Powell right?

A nickname his family gave him, I thought.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Jan 21, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

You have that as your Username.....

and you have to ask?? I’m shocked….SHOCKED I say.

* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jan 21, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm OUTRAGED.

And wary of stating things as facts when I am only 99% sure.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Jan 21, 2010 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

oh sure

go and prove me wrong.

Yeah, that is it.

 Looks like even I need to go take another run at the glossary.

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 21, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Almost everyone knows!

As a baby, he looked like Boog Powell and his dad called him that.

by Mister Eff on Jan 21, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

off topic

Are there rules against linking to a blog / opinion for a fan shot?

by leefyg on Jan 21, 2010 3:18 PM EST reply actions  

VEBiquette

I thought maybe there was a rule against self-advertisement so I thought I’d ask. My friends have told me I’m the best casual (non-statistical) baseball fan they’ve ever encountered. They just think it’s interesting to listen to me talk about my only life passion, and kept telling me to start a blog. So I did, as of like 2 days ago.

Haven’t told anyone it exists, I guess until now, mostly because I’m too embarrassed to tell anyone I know in real life.

It’s really lame, but today I posted my Mark McG opinion if anyone is super bored and wants to take 3 minutes out of their day:

leefyg.blogspot.com

Oh, and if you look at it but don’t read it, let me know what you think of the color scheme..wanted to make it more Cardinal red but a lot of red text is sometimes really annoying.

by leefyg on Jan 21, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

perfect

thanks, I don’t think of these obvious thingamasigs.

leefyg.blogspot.com

by leefyg on Jan 21, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

you might want to make that clickable as well
<a href="http://leefyg.blogspot.com" target="new">leefyg.blogspot.com</a>

leefyg.blogspot.com

by brackenthebox on Jan 21, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

perfect

thanks, I don’t think of these obvious thingamalinks.

leefyg.blogspot.com - don't bother, trust me

by leefyg on Jan 21, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

On the topic

of self-promotion and Bill McClellan, I wrote a really long, stream-of-consciousness thing last night making fun of the column you mention in your most recent post.

Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.

by liam on Jan 21, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

ha...loved it!

yay for bringing back one of my favorite blogs from the dead!

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 21, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey...Listen!

Two of my favorite blogs are from VEB’ers, and I like that at least one of them is back!

The other one is ran by a jerk.

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 21, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I know!

I’m asking about the blog! What is the address?

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Jan 21, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey…Listen!

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 21, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

OHHH...

I see what you did there.

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Jan 21, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

well i knew he wasn't talking about me

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 21, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

that extension makes no sense

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 21, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

okay, I did not know he was still arbitration eligible

I still am not sure I like this contract

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

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by mattyfrommo on Jan 21, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

He is not worth this money or the years I don't think.

Joe Blanton – fangraphs

His strand rate was 10% higher than in his previous 3 seasons. That can’t be sustainable, right?

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Jan 21, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

There's a good chance...

he’ll be worth that. But they’re paying full price when they could just as easily wait a year to do that.

Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word

by guayzimi on Jan 21, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I dunno

what did he stand to make in arby?

by nota bene on Jan 21, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Is this is 1st time in arby?

I think it’s his 3rd time, right? That means he’ll get probably 80% of what he’s worth, which is about 8 million.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 21, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd say 3/22.5 for Huston Street...

(also in his final arb year) was worse than 3/24 for Blanton. Ruben has that going for him.

Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word

by guayzimi on Jan 21, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Probably not

Blanton’s an okay pitch, right about league average, and eats a lot of innings. He’s nowhere near as good as Cliff Lee. However, they also got back prospects for Lee.

The question is whether or not the prospects they got back are worth more than the difference between Lee and Blanton

by vivaelpujols on Jan 21, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I should learn to read the entire sub thread

My bad :P

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jan 21, 2010 9:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't understand the Phillies

Why not flip him for prospects. If you want to secure a “future” in your organization as the Phillies put it, why not hold on to Lee, shop Blanton, and have perhaps the best 3 headed monster in baseball?

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jan 21, 2010 9:38 PM EST up reply actions  

who's the third?

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 9:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Hamels?

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 21, 2010 9:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Hamels

He had a bit of a down year, but I think he gets back to his form.

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

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by Taskmaster on Jan 21, 2010 9:44 PM EST up reply actions  

really,

he didn’t have much of a down year besides the luck aspect. almost all his numbers improved a little bit, FIP was exactly the same as ‘08 and better than ’07 and ’06. BABIP was 30 points higher than his career and league averages. i still don’t think he’s anywhere near halladay/lee territory

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 9:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, I wasn't referring to it stat-wise

He wasn’t the shutdown guy he was in the playoffs of 2 years ago last year. I meant image-wise, he is a legit #1 that will be a #3, hot damn

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
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by Taskmaster on Jan 21, 2010 9:51 PM EST up reply actions  

he's a legit number one

on a weak staff

he won’t be contending for cy young any time soon, though

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 9:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Well

Considering how many elite pitchers are in the NL (Which is a much better league of pitchers in my opinion), I wouldn’t say anyone is the favorite.

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
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by Taskmaster on Jan 21, 2010 9:56 PM EST up reply actions  

no, but if you look at '09 performances

hamels doesn’t touch the likes of lincecum, greinke, waino, carp, felix, halladay, verlander, vazquez, haren, etc

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by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 10:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, that was what I was inferring

I was saying that his best is probably an above average season from a guy like Holliday or Lincecum. He has no shot in this league.

But yeah, I would still love to have the guy.

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jan 21, 2010 10:10 PM EST up reply actions  

speaking of staffs

am I the only person impressed by the pitching staff of the rays?

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by CodyG on Jan 21, 2010 9:56 PM EST up reply actions  

they're alright

they have three starters over league average, but no one that really blows you away

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by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 10:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I want to rob Sonnanstine from them

but that probably isn’t happening.

Shields is too inconsistent, Davis has yet to shine, Niemann is well, above average I guess.

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In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jan 21, 2010 10:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I think trading Shields and Sannastine will happen soon

this is what it will probably look like in two years
Price
Garza
Niemann
Hellickson
Davis

Niemann and Davis I guess profile more as #2/3 starters ,but this rotation should be very good.

I am the Batman
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by CodyG on Jan 21, 2010 10:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jan 21, 2010 10:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Then they trade Garza, and get more prospects.

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by CodyG on Jan 21, 2010 10:18 PM EST up reply actions  

That would be a very bad idea

Considering that this is their only window for a long time to compete, they have 1 mroe year till Pena, Crawford hit FA, then they lose 1 and maybe both.

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jan 21, 2010 10:21 PM EST up reply actions  

If The Show is any predictor

The Cardinals will be replacing Wainer with Garza… I pray every nite before I go to bed that doesn’t happen in real life…

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 21, 2010 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

hey if the game was right

Jim Edmonds would still be playing in 2024, and Ray King is still a cardinal on a 30 year contract.

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by CodyG on Jan 21, 2010 10:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I like Jimmy getting the Chelios Memorial Trophy

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by ducttape16 on Jan 21, 2010 10:23 PM EST up reply actions  

If they were willing to pay full price...

they could’ve waited a year.

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by guayzimi on Jan 21, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

GTFO

seriously? That’s bizarre.

by nota bene on Jan 21, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

It's a bit too much money for Joe Blanton.

He’s durable, I suppose.

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Jan 21, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

yes

I am the Batman
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by CodyG on Jan 21, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

That Lee trade sucks even more,

but on the bright side there’s on less lefty we’ll have to face!!!

I am the Batman
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by CodyG on Jan 21, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

they really love it over at...

the good phight…

Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word

by guayzimi on Jan 21, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

how can one tell?

another SBNation blog that gets no love?

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 21, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

A guy in my lab has messed around with facial component analysis

to determine what types of changes one could easily make to become more attractive to another specific person. Shockingly, none of this methods have worked so far for this guy.

by brackenthebox on Jan 21, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

so i shouldn't have my pic taken

yeah, i already knew that

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by gdm426 on Jan 21, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

sears

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 21, 2010 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

jcpenny too, didn't everyone get their childhood pics taken there?

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 21, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

The Cleavage Shot Doesn't Work for Cows....

and I’ve got some serious udder action in mine…
;=8)

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Jan 21, 2010 11:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Yawn...

that guy is such an insufferable ass.

Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word

by guayzimi on Jan 21, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Bradbury

Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word

by guayzimi on Jan 21, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Bradbury is the obvious answer

That guy thinks really highly of himself when he’s not very special. His stuff is just routinely wrong.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jan 21, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Whatever

I’m sure he’s the NYT’s backup for when Krugman can’t take it anymore. I mean Kenneshaw State, man!

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on Jan 21, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

That's Kennesaw...

and it’s northwest Georgia’s fastest growing university!!

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Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word

by guayzimi on Jan 21, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm back

been sick lately, but I’m back and ready to go. I would love to see Colby play everyday, and i wonder what would happen if Jim Edmonds stepped back into the mix – how that would work out with Tony. I would only hope that TLR wouldn’t pull the “Colby’s had a great game, let’s sit him” crap that he did last year.

As for the projections, they all look good to me. VEB/SHU would be the best of those, of course.

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by zoomzoomj88 on Jan 21, 2010 5:29 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks

Still trying to get the ball rolling, but I’m committed to doing it. It’s just for fun, plus I think it will help me in the long run. I’ve wanted to be a journalist for as long as I can remember, so I can balance work and fun by doing something like that.

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by zoomzoomj88 on Jan 21, 2010 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

zoomzoom is that good of a golfer?

f’in zoomzoom

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by mattyfrommo on Jan 21, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

given my disability, it’s one of the only things I can do, and honestly I’m pretty good – even though I’m able to do it 6 months of the year (thanks to Michigan’s ever-so-wonderful weather)

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by zoomzoomj88 on Jan 21, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

you were gone?

who are you again?

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 21, 2010 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Sheetsy boy not looking too hot
According to a report on AOL Fanhouse, Sheets first threw 20 fastballs in the workout, topping out at 91 mph. He then threw another 20 pitches, half of them curveballs. In his third session, Sheets’ fastball topped out at 88 mph and the pitcher looked "gassed," the report said. Sheets is believed to be seeking a two-year deal.

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by joker24 on Jan 21, 2010 5:33 PM EST reply actions  

True

and he hasn’t pitched in a while, but still you’d expect the old Ben Sheets to be on the mound again.

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by zoomzoomj88 on Jan 21, 2010 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah if the curveball is good he can look more like wainwright.

a good fastball would be a bonus.

I am the Batman
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by CodyG on Jan 21, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Still

88? Guys who throw 95 can wake up half drunk pound some cheeseburgers and throw 84-86 (which I’m assuming from that) and top out at 88.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jan 21, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess I wouldn't be an incredibly happy person either if I were a Mariners fan.

Although I am Indians fan and somehow I make it through.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 21, 2010 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah but last year?

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 21, 2010 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

he sucked last year

he ruined my fantasy team.

I am the Batman
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by CodyG on Jan 21, 2010 7:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Mine too.

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Jan 21, 2010 7:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I was lucky enough to pick-up Coghlan,Aardsma,Bailey, and Helton

to keep my team going though, but the loss of grady made it a much tougher to dominate.

I am the Batman
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by CodyG on Jan 21, 2010 7:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Same here.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 21, 2010 8:12 PM EST up reply actions  

But did he look good doing it?

That’s what really matters.

* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jan 21, 2010 7:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Well he was barely playing.

What does it matter if he looks good if you can’t see him?

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 21, 2010 8:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I was at that game.

About 15 rows off the field, first base side. I called Khalil’s HR and I called Albert’s after that high pitch. Great night.

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Jan 21, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Sad catcher is sad

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 21, 2010 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

adjective noun is adjective?

/b/ as far as i know

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Sup ve/b/ lulz

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jan 21, 2010 10:31 PM EST up reply actions  

You and I

are in the ‘we called 2 HRs in a game’ club.

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by zoomzoomj88 on Jan 21, 2010 5:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I call a home run

every time a cardinal comes up, so I’ve called multiple hrs, multiple times

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by STLRegalia on Jan 21, 2010 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

i did mine at random

calling a HR every time is just a little bit of cheating.

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by zoomzoomj88 on Jan 21, 2010 8:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I have called a few Alberts

He is actually kind of easy. It is almost always when he doesn’t get a call he wants and gives the ump the evil eye.

by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 21, 2010 8:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't wait for Opening Day now

although I was at that stage before watching this (which, honestly, I could never get tired of)

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by zoomzoomj88 on Jan 21, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

best part of that clip

and that clip has a lot to offer

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

probably what I would do

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Jan 21, 2010 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

awesome baby!

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 21, 2010 6:27 PM EST up reply actions  

how is this not green?

Heaven has brick walls and St. Peter is a red bird.

by EinFesteBusch on Jan 22, 2010 2:15 AM EST up reply actions  

144

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Jan 21, 2010 6:05 PM EST up reply actions  

The correct answer is who gives a shit

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 21, 2010 7:51 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

YOU shut up

nerd

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 21, 2010 7:57 PM EST up reply actions  

as a non-nerd/non ginger I feel left out.

I am the Batman
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by CodyG on Jan 21, 2010 7:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Virgin

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 21, 2010 8:01 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

...

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 21, 2010 8:04 PM EST up reply actions  

OT: assistance needed

currently running windows 7, created and formatted 10gb partition, downloaded copy of xp pro sp3, burned iso to disc, shut down computer, changed bios to boot from cd. not working. what am i doing wrong? it looks like it’s just trying to start windows and then i get the blue screen (not of death) that says problems were detected and windows was shut down. i just want xp to install to my new partition

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 6:19 PM EST reply actions  

Weird.

Does this help?

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Jan 21, 2010 6:22 PM EST up reply actions  

for instace

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/8057-dual-boot-installation-windows-7-xp.html

in method two, i never make it to step three

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

no, i already have 7 installed

course i am still running the release candidate and all this software is free, so i might as well just format and reinstall 7 pro and install xp pro at the same time

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm trying

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

rc build 7200

pro sp3 32-bit

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 6:35 PM EST up reply actions  

7100*

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 6:35 PM EST up reply actions  

what do you mean

it’s not working when to boot from cd?
what’s it do? prompt you at all, skip straight to hdd?
did the bios take the cd first setting?

by d-dee on Jan 21, 2010 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

and then it says press any key to boot from cd. i press any key and it starts doing it’s thing and then it says starting windows and then

http://kb.vmware.com/Platform/Publishing/images/1003999_bluescreen.jpg

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 6:46 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

i doubt that

if that were the case it would still ask me if i want to do a repair install or format and do a fresh install

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 8:27 PM EST up reply actions  

hockey fail...

Stanley Cups = 0???

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 21, 2010 8:46 PM EST up reply actions  

haha

Nicely done.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 21, 2010 8:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I never pass up the chance to take a shot at the Blues

It’s one of my few skills in life.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 21, 2010 8:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought the Blues won one back in the late 90s?

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 21, 2010 9:36 PM EST up reply actions  

No.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 21, 2010 9:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I know they won the President's Trophy

awhile back. Luckily that means nothing in hockey…

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 21, 2010 9:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe that's what I'm thinking of

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 21, 2010 9:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah it usually serves as an indicator

to avoid picking them for the Cup at all costs.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 21, 2010 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

laptop?

just one drive? you partitioned the same drive?

by d-dee on Jan 21, 2010 8:41 PM EST up reply actions  

yes yes yes

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 8:47 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 8:52 PM EST up reply actions  

that's happened before

undo the partitioning
create unalloacted space for the XP part in 7 and create the partition and format it with XP setup

by d-dee on Jan 21, 2010 8:54 PM EST up reply actions  

it's not the partition

i can’t even get to that part

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 8:54 PM EST up reply actions  

and even now

if with the cd in the drive, if i double click on my cd drive it comes up to the xp install screen, and as you can see, “install windows xp is greyed out”

http://i46.tinypic.com/mrutl3.png

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 8:52 PM EST up reply actions  

i got it to where i can click on install xp

and then i click it and get this

http://i48.tinypic.com/34ihh.png

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 8:54 PM EST up reply actions  

i think

you just have to install the older operating system first. i think i remember reading that when i had vista and was trying to dual boot 7 to try it out. course i had to format and just cleanly install 7 sight unseen because vista likes to put the mft at the very end of the disk making it unable to shrink the current partition to make room for the new one

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 8:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I've got XP 32 on my

new machine. A buddy gave me a known good copy of the last beta 7, and I’ll be damned if I can get it to install.

* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jan 21, 2010 9:01 PM EST up reply actions  

no

it works the other way too
from what i gather, you fail if you format under 7 and try to install xp

but

it works if you create unallocated space e.g. 50 GB, restart with xp cd in, create the partition and format with long format through xp

by d-dee on Jan 21, 2010 9:04 PM EST up reply actions  

i will try it

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 9:05 PM EST up reply actions  

go through these two threads

1
2 – which in the later pages also mentions problems with sata drives etc.
there’s some ideas in the second one and success through different means so you might be able to find what you need

the majority of success is done through what i wrote above

by d-dee on Jan 21, 2010 9:17 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, this didn't work

like i said, it doesn’t even get to the part where asks what partition to install it to, do i want to format, etc

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

kind of

i have the cd that i burned the windows 7 RC onto

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 9:06 PM EST up reply actions  

i also

have access to all current versions of windows 7 for free

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 9:06 PM EST up reply actions  

i liked vista

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 6:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I really haven't had any problems with it

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 21, 2010 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

by and large it's worked without a hitch for me

but then some small glitch will come along and irritate the hell out of me, like when you right click and it takes forever for the menu to pop up and you’re just watching the maddening spiral of that little circle. I used ShellEx or whatever to remove almost all my menu options, and it still does it sometimes. It’s making me mad just thinking about it.

by mattyp on Jan 21, 2010 8:25 PM EST up reply actions  

i find it SLOW

general operations like copy paste cut and loading the dir tree in win exprorer shouldn’t take so long
i’ve about offed myself multiple times while having to compile big c++ projects under vista

by d-dee on Jan 21, 2010 8:48 PM EST up reply actions  

how fast is your computer though

My Vista specs are pretty solid 3.0GHZ Quad Core with 4 GB’s of Ram. The only thing that even slows my computer down is some video games and video editing

by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 21, 2010 9:10 PM EST up reply actions  

the vista laptop is not very good

bought it for my folks i have yet to get it to them
what irritates me though is, that it would have flown under xp but can’t downgrade
the new hp can run anything but i find the design and features of 7 more appealing than vista
it’s all about personal preference, i guess

by d-dee on Jan 21, 2010 9:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I heard that Vista works fine

for machines you buy from the store, but runs into problems with machines you build yourself.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 21, 2010 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know much about all this nonsense

but I have a good buddy who builds machines and was telling me about it. So I was just spouting off 2nd hand knowledge.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 21, 2010 8:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I was really worried about getting vista

but I bought an Asus laptop and it’s not any more or less stable than the last windows I had, xp. it’s just arranged differently and once you figure that out, it’s cool because it is 64bit. starting to find more 64bit programs such as Reaper for sound editing and mixing

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 21, 2010 8:12 PM EST up reply actions  

because 7 is better

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 6:46 PM EST up reply actions  

but how much better is it?

can we quantify the process of installing new OS vs how much better than vista it actually is?

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 21, 2010 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

70% better

I am the Batman
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by CodyG on Jan 21, 2010 6:49 PM EST up reply actions  

i will actually up that to 85%

but always check the driver availability before doing anything rash
i am stuck with one vista laptop that i can’t downgrade to xp so i’d rather up it to 7
have a marvelous brand new fast hp with 7 and love it

by d-dee on Jan 21, 2010 8:50 PM EST up reply actions  

you have a point

installing a new os is a pain in the ass

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 6:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Win 7

has been pretty solid for me….I’ve had a few mysterious things happen but mostly it’s been pretty pleasant. I skipped Vista entirely.

by nota bene on Jan 21, 2010 11:25 PM EST up reply actions  

When I set up a dual boot with Windows already installed

I do it through a network. If you have another computer available that you can stash the XP files on it’s a lot easier that way, imo.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 21, 2010 9:26 PM EST up reply actions  

When I was 30, people used to wish I was dead to my face. That's called respect!

-Chevy Chase as Pierce on Community

If you aren’t watching this show, you should be.

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on Jan 21, 2010 8:02 PM EST reply actions  

if it's NBC there's no way I'm going to that shitty network.

I am the Batman
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by CodyG on Jan 21, 2010 8:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

I usually watch on Hulu on Fridays though

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 21, 2010 8:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Same.

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Jan 21, 2010 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Speaking of Hulu

Friday is going to be Conan’s last Tonight Show. Won’t be able to watch it live, but can’t wait to see it Saturday morning!

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 21, 2010 8:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Community is an amazing show.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 21, 2010 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I have tonite's episode on the TiVo

but so far it’s really gone well.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 21, 2010 9:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Both shows are quite great

And that network needs all the help it can get.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 21, 2010 10:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I would think

that Miguel Cabrerra took his end of season alcohol incident to heart. I wish him well.

* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jan 21, 2010 8:46 PM EST reply actions  

Good for him.

This is what I like to see.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 21, 2010 8:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Hopefully he can keep it going

from what I hear rehab isn’t he hard part it’s all the work that comes afterwards.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 21, 2010 8:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 21, 2010 8:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah.

And at 20! It’s amazing.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 21, 2010 9:02 PM EST up reply actions  

question for you the viewers

1. Obviously I missed my afternoon deadline—I think I’m now shooting around 20% on these. My apologies.

2. I’ve been asked to write 100 words to give non-readers an idea about Viva El Birdos, and here’s what I have so far. How does it sound?

“We’re a blog about the St. Louis Cardinals and being a fan of same. And we get at that general topic through the specific means of sabermetric analysis, extended personal reminiscence, doggerel, plays in one act, etc.

Our current bloggers are the red baron (personal reminiscence, musical recommendations) on Wednesdays; tom s. (satire, analysis) on Saturdays; vivaelpujols (PitchF/X, math) on Sundays; and danup (doggerel, the royal we) the rest of the week. We also have the best viewing and commenting audience in the business, thanks in part to a ruthless moderator who will remain nameless."

by DanUpBaby on Jan 21, 2010 9:00 PM EST reply actions  

This is the only change I would make.

vivaelpujols (PitchF/X, math) on occasional Sundays

* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jan 21, 2010 9:03 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I think you've missed more than one.

Just sayin’.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 21, 2010 9:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Unacceptable.

I’m kidding. I don’t know how I would find the time to write a main post every week.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 21, 2010 9:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah but if you go there

you will see it hasn’t been updated in about a week. And before that even longer, and before that, even LONGER!

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 21, 2010 9:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Somehow I feel like a TWSS should go here

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 21, 2010 9:38 PM EST up reply actions  

actually, she did actually say it. right there

I always get a little confused when i want to use a TWSS on a reply to one the women’s comments on here

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 21, 2010 9:41 PM EST up reply actions  

so.....

OMGTWSS

* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jan 21, 2010 9:42 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

hehehehe

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 21, 2010 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

you can't just call in!

you think this is mcdonalds?!

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 9:07 PM EST up reply actions  

That'll learn ya

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 21, 2010 9:05 PM EST up reply actions  

he got learned.

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jan 21, 2010 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice.

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Jan 21, 2010 9:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I like it.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 21, 2010 9:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't forget about..

spasms of navel-gazing.

I like that the best.

Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word

by guayzimi on Jan 21, 2010 9:17 PM EST up reply actions  

...and bacon,

and sometimes unicorns.

it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie

by SleepyCA on Jan 22, 2010 3:04 AM EST up reply actions  

What if it's worked before when you did the same query like a week ago

But for some reason it’s not working now. And it doesn’t just say “error”, it loads for an hour before timing out.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 21, 2010 9:16 PM EST up reply actions  

connection to db then?

can you run simple queries no problem?

by d-dee on Jan 21, 2010 9:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Here it is, very simple

SELECT
c.id,
(c.pa*.5 + b.pa*.1 + 200) AS pa,
(c.ba*c.pa*5 + b.ba*b.pa*4 + a.ba*a.pa*3)/(c.pa*5 + b.pa*4 + a.pa*3) AS ba
FROM aone a
JOIN btwo b ON b.id = a.two
JOIN cthree c ON c.id = b.three

The tables “aone”, “btwo” and “cthree” are self created, and contain CONCAT, some stats, and then CONCAT. The +1 thing allows me to line up a players stats for different years under one row.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 21, 2010 9:29 PM EST up reply actions  

It doesn't look like you called btwo and cthree in your FROM statement

I don’t know if it would still work like that or not, but that’s what jumped out to me

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 21, 2010 9:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmm...

When I join tables with other queries, the JOIN statement allows me not to have to include the joined tables in the FROM statement. I don’t know a lot about SQL, so I could be wrong though. Could you rewrite the query with cthree and btwo in the FROM statement?

by vivaelpujols on Jan 21, 2010 9:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure
SELECT	c.id,
	(c.pa*(0.5) + b.pa*(0.1) + 200) AS pa,
	((c.ba*c.pa*5 + b.ba*b.pa*4 + a.ba*a.pa*3) / (c.pa*5 + b.pa*4 + a.pa*3) AS ba
FROM	aone a, btwo b, cthree c
WHERE	b.id = a.two AND c.id = b.three

I don’t know if this WHERE statement produces the same as your JOIN statement, I never use JOIN.

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 21, 2010 9:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Nope, still isn't working

And I just wrote a 4 join query for Fourstick, so it’s definitely nothing wrong with my db.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 21, 2010 10:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, one thing I noticed is I forgot to close a parenthesis in the third SELECT line

:P

If that still doesn’t work, and it’s something you really need help with, you can e-mail me at jdhogan5 at gmail and I’ll try to give you more in-depth help.

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 21, 2010 10:08 PM EST up reply actions  

It's been a while since I've done any of this.....

and I did it poorly then, but 2 parenthesis right?

((c.ba*c.pa*5 + b.ba*b.pa*4 + a.ba*a.pa*3)) / (c.pa*5 + b.pa )

?

* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jan 21, 2010 11:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I think I screwed that up too.

2 at the end though?

* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jan 21, 2010 11:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I think we're getting SBN'd

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 21, 2010 11:19 PM EST up reply actions  

was I right?

)) on the end….It’s been 10 years since any programming classes.

* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jan 21, 2010 11:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 21, 2010 11:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Cool....

Glad to know that student loan payment is worth it.

* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jan 21, 2010 11:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think it's anything wrong with that

I just tried this query:

SELECT a.id, b.id
FROM aone a
JOIN btwo b ON b.id = a.two

…and, it’s timed out for 5 minutes.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 21, 2010 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

haha

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 11:52 PM EST up reply actions  

okay let me give it a try

create a table locally to hold b.id, b.pa, b.ba, c.pa and c.ba joined on b.three = c.id just between these two and then join that table on a.two = b.id

will save time, because that is a heavy query and i can see it timing out if the tables are huge

btw, aone.two = btwo.id and btwo.three = cthree.id, right? is there a foreign key somewhere on a or c that references c or a?

by d-dee on Jan 22, 2010 12:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Okay fuck

I tried doing the simplest query possible

SELECT a.id, b.id
FROM aone a
JOIN btwo b ON b.id = a.two
LIMIT 50

When I limit by 50 or something it works. When I limit by 1000 it works.

When I limit by 5000 is times out.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 22, 2010 12:06 AM EST up reply actions  

try to swap sides on

join btwo b on b.id = a.two
to
join btwo b on a.two = b.id

by d-dee on Jan 22, 2010 12:12 AM EST up reply actions  

...
SELECT a.id, b.id
FROM aone a
JOIN btwo b ON a.two = b.id
LIMIT 50

Been running for 5 minutes and still not working!!!

What the fuck is wrong with my computer?

by vivaelpujols on Jan 22, 2010 12:19 AM EST up reply actions  

when's the last time you restarted?

try that
voodoo errors and timeouts are afraid of that

by d-dee on Jan 22, 2010 12:20 AM EST up reply actions  

I just restarted MAMP

Tried the query above, and it worked in 40.3 milliseconds.

Limit 100 works in 60.1. Limit 200 works in 138.

Limit 1000 works in 308. Limit 4000 doesn’t work!

by vivaelpujols on Jan 22, 2010 12:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Limit 4000 just worked actually

It said 305 ms, but that’s impossible. Trying no limit now…

by vivaelpujols on Jan 22, 2010 12:23 AM EST up reply actions  

No just this one
SELECT a.id, b.id
FROM aone a
JOIN btwo b ON a.two = b.id
LIMIT 50

It’s still not working, so 7 minutes so far. Here is the eventual query I want to do once I get all of these shenanigans sorted out:

SELECT 
c.id,
(c.pa*.5 + b.pa*.1 + 200) AS pa,
(c.ba*c.pa*5 + b.ba*b.pa*4 + a.ba*a.pa*3)/(c.pa*5 + b.pa*4 + a.pa*3) AS ba,
(c.isod*c.pa*5 + b.isod*b.pa*4 + a.isod*a.pa*3)/(c.pa*5 + b.pa*4 + a.pa*3) AS isod,
(c.isop*c.pa*5 + b.isop*b.pa*4 + a.isop*a.pa*3)/(c.pa*5 + b.pa*4 + a.pa*3) AS isop
FROM aone a
JOIN btwo b ON b.id = a.two
JOIN cthree c ON c.id = b.three

Do you think if I run that, and just leave it for like 2 hours it will work? Cause that would be fine by me.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 22, 2010 12:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Stupid SBN

It doesn’t matter, the query is fine. My system just sucks I think.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 22, 2010 12:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Alright, I'll try quitting MAMP and Sequel

Leave it off for an hour. Plus in that query and let it run overnight.

This better work or I’m getting an F!

by vivaelpujols on Jan 22, 2010 12:38 AM EST up reply actions  

it's okay

i copy-pasted the query into notepad and saw it

enclose the division expressions in brackets just in case an i would also flip the constraints in both joins

you can email me the tables in a spreadsheet and i’ll run them through sql developer

by d-dee on Jan 22, 2010 12:44 AM EST up reply actions  

The tables are ~70000 rows each i believe

The batting lines for every single player in baseball by season since 18something.

Should I still send them?

by vivaelpujols on Jan 22, 2010 12:46 AM EST up reply actions  

excel has a 65K sth limit

you’ll have to split them in two worksheets

by d-dee on Jan 22, 2010 12:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, I just let MAMP chill out for 30 minutes

I then re-made each of the tables I’m joining, making them a lot smaller by setting certain limits. Switched around the stuff in the join clause… and it worked, in 1.16 fucking seconds. What the hell?

by vivaelpujols on Jan 22, 2010 1:05 AM EST up reply actions  

nah, i didn't do anything

but i would have whipped that thing into shape per remote desktop to my office. i was ready to kick ass.
next time :)

by d-dee on Jan 22, 2010 1:09 AM EST up reply actions  

cache full maybe

who knows
restarting usually helps
keeping tables short too

if it’s stats for the same player, you might want to, if at all possible, designate a table, add some columns and update those records, stick as much as you can from the other tables with left and right joins into that one because regular joins are evil

by d-dee on Jan 22, 2010 1:17 AM EST up reply actions  

I'll try it again now

Still doesn’t work. And what’s weird, my front end (Sequel Pro) isn’t saving the most recent queries like it usually does.

I real hate SQL on a mac.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 21, 2010 9:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Do you not just do MySQL command line?

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 21, 2010 9:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I never learned it!

Is it better than using a front end?

by vivaelpujols on Jan 21, 2010 9:42 PM EST up reply actions  

You can learn it by watching him!!!

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 21, 2010 9:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Once you learn it

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 21, 2010 9:46 PM EST up reply actions  

No, should

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 21, 2010 9:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Man, I hate Big Ten referees

Sorry to take up main thread space, but they drive me nuts. Almost as bad as PAC 10 guys.

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jan 21, 2010 9:54 PM EST reply actions  

Hee heeee....

…NC, Duke, and the ACC down, Villanova and teh Big East UP!!!
:=8D

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Jan 21, 2010 11:20 PM EST up reply actions  

GO ZAGS!!!!!

WCC refs are awful. ticky tack crap.

* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jan 21, 2010 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

...and they all look just the same...

Heaven has brick walls and St. Peter is a red bird.

by EinFesteBusch on Jan 21, 2010 11:55 PM EST up reply actions  

NC was so overrated anyway

Big East is as dominant as ever, still hate them though :)

Go Hooziers

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jan 22, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

UNC is just not impressing me this year.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 22, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, they are pretty bad

Especially consider losing to College of Charleston, but a year or two, and they will dominate once again.

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jan 22, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

OMG OMG OMG
Tim Brown of Yahoo! Sports reports that the Royals and outfielder Rick Ankiel have agreed to terms on a one-year, $3.25 million contract.

Sorry, Rick. Hope you do well.

by Mister Eff on Jan 21, 2010 11:58 PM EST reply actions  

nah

this’ll be good for him. can’t believe he got f’ing $3.25MM

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions  

i guess

if it’s good for rick, then it’ll be good for the royals. if it’s not good for rick, then this will be his last season as a MLB player

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 22, 2010 12:02 AM EST up reply actions  

ROFL

Dayton Moore just outdid himself. I have to go find some Royals fans to taunt now….

by nota bene on Jan 22, 2010 12:05 AM EST up reply actions  

nothing can top the betancourt deal.

I am the Batman
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by CodyG on Jan 22, 2010 12:06 AM EST up reply actions  

I dunno

the Guillen deal was pretty bad too IIRC

by nota bene on Jan 22, 2010 12:10 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah that sucked too

I am the Batman
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by CodyG on Jan 22, 2010 12:13 AM EST up reply actions  

maybe we can trick Moore into giving us Hochevar.

he would look at Hochevar’s ERA and beg us to take him.

I am the Batman
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by CodyG on Jan 22, 2010 12:29 AM EST up reply actions  

KC doesn't come to Busch this year

guess we don’t get to administer the former-Cardinal, standing-O test

Heaven has brick walls and St. Peter is a red bird.

by EinFesteBusch on Jan 22, 2010 12:05 AM EST up reply actions