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The NL Central Offseason Revue Pt. 4: Algonquin for The Good Land


Morning, all. I'm pressed for time today (hell, I've been nothing but pressed for what seems like months now. ever feel like life is just beating you down by sheer force of will?), so I'll keep this one short and sweet.

Before I get to the Milwaukee Brewers' edition of my offseason review/preview/whatever the hell, I would like to say a quick word. Larry Weir, who was one of the chief architects of KDHX, the community radio station here in St. Louis, passed away last Wednesday. Unfortunately, I had already posted that day before I heard the news, so this is a bit behind the times, but better late than never, I suppose.

Larry was a friend of a friend of the family, a man I knew just well enough to wish I knew him far better. He was tireless in promoting community media and the community in general, bugging me to come in and volunteer on the phones every time the station held a pledge drive. I usually caved in, too; the man's enthusiasm was impossibly infectious. He loved music, he loved baseball, and he loved St. Louis. He was, quite simply, the man.

You all know by now I'm passionate about a few things in life, and independent media is most definitely one of them. We lost one of our great champions this past week, and the void will be painfully hard to fill. Larry was an amazing man, and I'd like to invite you to check out all the tributes and such over at the KDHX website. They do an incredible job over there (even if I do wish they would stop changing the schedule, since I now have to relearn the whole damned thing), and they need our support more than ever.

Alright. Enough of that. On to the topic at hand.

Star-divide

Milwaukee Brewers 2009 Record: 80-82, 11 games out of first

Pythagorean Record: 78-84 (785 runs scored, 818 allowed)

The Brewers were a disappointing bunch in 2009, as they headed into the season with high hopes stoked by their first postseason appearance in many, many years. Unfortunately, porous pitching ultimately led to their demise, as they followed up their 90-72 2008 campaign with a below .500 showing.

Offense: This is what the Brewers do best. Say what you want about the other stuff, but there's no denying the Brew Crew can hit. Prince Fielder and Ryan Braun make the offense go, and both will return in 2010. Both are run producers of the highest calibre, and they form the NL Central's second best 1-2 punch behind Albert Pujols and Matt Holliday.

One of the most intriguing stories around the Brewers in 2010 will be how well they fill the hole left by everybody's favourite Plan B, Mike Cameron. Cameron had provided Milwaukee with outstanding defense and solidly above-average offense for the past two seasons, but he has now departed for Boston. The void left by his departure is going to be tougher to fill than many realise. Carlos Gomez will likely get the lion's share of time in center, and I'm actually a big Gomez fan. Love the speed, his defense is right up there with some of the best, and his arm is unreal. Still, he hasn't shown the ability to put up consistent offensive numbers in his career to this point, so there could be some fall off from Cameron.

The rest of the outfield is likely set, with Ryan Braun manning left field the way only Ryan Braun can, and Corey Hart wearing sunglasses at all times in right. After a 2007 campaign that had him looking like a rising star in the league, Hart has seemingly settled in to being an almost exactly league-average bat in right field, albeit one with a nice glove. Nothing wrong with that, of course; after all, the 2009 version of Ryan Ludwick doesn't exactly grow on trees.

In the infield, the shortstop position is likely the most interesting. JJ Hardy had been a mainstay for the Brewers since before anyone paid attention to them, but he was dealt in the Carlos Gomez deal to make room for Milwaukee's hot prospect Alcides Escobar. Escobar's glove is everything they say it is, but his bat still has plenty of question marks attached. Still, in an offense like Milwaukee's, they can afford to punt a bit on offense for a guy with the defense of Escobar. (see also Ryan, Brendan) Third base should provide some drama as well, as incumbent Casey McGehee (spelling?), and young slugger Mat Gamel duking it out for playing time. McGehee was a lifesaver for the Brewers in '09, and should probably have the inside track on the job. Gamel, on the other hand, has been the Next Ryan Braun for a few years now, and what Milwaukee ultimately does with him should prove fascinating. They've moved him around to get him plate appearances, but left field is taken and it's not at all certain he can actually play third base. He may have more value on the trade market than he does to the Brewers.

All in all, the Brewers should once again score runs in bunches. They'll probably lose a little in center and second base without Cameron and Felipe Lopez manning those positions, respectively, but there are still plenty of bats in this lineup to make life tough for Central Division pitchers.

Starting Rotation

Ah, now here's where it get interesting. The Brewers' starters in 2009 were just flat-out awful. Braden Looper was awful. (He did manage to go 14-7 with an ERA north of 5.00, though, so he must have some sort of magical powers.) Jeff Suppan was awful. Manny Parra was awful. Dave Bush was awful. The only pitcher who wasn't awful was Yovani Gallardo, who was in fact borderline brilliant.

Looper is gone, so that's a plus. Suppan, unfortunately, is still hanging around, eating up over $12 million of an $80 million payroll. Seriously, how sad a day is it going to be here in Cardinal country when the Brewers no longer have to pay Jeff Suppan?

Gallardo will once again head the rotation, and he'll be joined by the Brewers' newest free agent solution, Randy Wolf. Wolf is actually a hell of a pitcher, a fact which never fails to surprise me. No idea why, really, but every time someone points out to me just how good Wolf has been the past couple years I'm always shocked. Still, the injury history is long and varied, so that will bear watching.

Regardless of what happens with the Brewers' rotation, it literally couldn't get any worse, and it has the potential to be much, much better. They have a new pitching coach in Rick Peterson (though I seem to recall when Mike Maddux was touted as an up-and-coming genius of pitching, so I fail to see why I should be particularly excited about his replacement), and addition by subtraction on their side. There are still an awful lot of innings to be accounted for in that rotation, though, and I think it will continue to be their Achilles' Heel. Oh, and I would still take Manny Parra off their hands if they want to get rid of him.

Bullpen

Here the story is much better. The Brewers' bullpen wasn't elite in 2009, but it was plenty solid. Trevor Hoffman gives you a known quantity at the back end (though committing 10% of your payroll to him seems a bit sketchy to me), and Todd Coffey has actually been pretty good as a setup man. The Brewers did go out and give LaTroy Hawkins a two year deal, which I find frankly baffling. I assume they're hoping to shorten games to seven innings to avoid having their starters go more than five consistently, but I'm just not sure spending $7 million over two seasons for LaTroy Hawkins is the best use of that money.

Beyond the top three, there are a couple other interesting arms, but nothing outstanding. Carlos Villanueva will be back, and I can only hope we see a whole lot of him.

Offseason Priorities

See, this is why I really should have started this series a lot earlier in the offseason than I did, but I didn't think of it in time. By now, most of what the Brewers are going to do is done. That said, the priority for the Brew Crew this offseason was pitching pitching pitching and pitching, and they've done fairly well I believe in addressing the issue. Garllardo and Wolf should give them a solid foundation anchoring the rotation, hopefully preventing a disaster on the scale of 2009. The rest of the rotation still fails to inspire confidence (remember, they were the first team to express interest in Muldoo), but a reinforced bullpen should help absorb some of the strain there as well.

 The Bottom Line

The Brewers are going to have to win games in 2010 the same way they won games in 2009: by bludgeoning their opponents to death.The defense up the middle should be a big time strength, which should certainly help the pitching, but run prevention just isn't going to be this team's bag.

Overall, I think Milwaukee will improve this coming season, probably into the mid-80s in wins. They and the Cubs should duke it out all season for second place, and if the Cardinals falter, either one could surprise. That said, I think the Brewers overall are just a hair short of Chicago's talent level, and the most likely outcome, in my ever so humble opinion, is a third place finish just a game or two shy of the Baby Bears.

The Baron's Playlist for the 20th of January, 2009

"Pie Jesu, from Faure's Requiem, Op. 48" - Academy of St. Martin in the Fields Chorus

"Iz-Us" - Aphex Twin

"That Certain Female" - Charlie Feathers

"Morning Light" - Gliss

"Starry Eyes" - Roky Erikson and Bleib Alien

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The real question about the Brewers is,

now that Cameron is gone, will they still be untucking their shirts?

* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jan 20, 2010 1:32 PM EST reply actions  

If the Red Sox start doing it

Watch how much attention from the national media it gets.

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 20, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

People will start doing it all across Red Sox Nation!

the world may never survive such douchiness!

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 20, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

i for one am ready for said world to end if that happens

lets just blow this puppy up & start over somewhere else

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 20, 2010 11:46 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

better get the explosives ready

you just know it is bound to happen

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 21, 2010 2:47 AM EST up reply actions  

neither do i, i'm not scarred of wolfey, colorado, soup bucket & whomever else they throw out there

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 20, 2010 11:47 PM EST up reply actions  

like i said below, they have a whole new approach at the plate now. i'm not worried

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 20, 2010 11:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Our lineup should hit lefties much better than righties

this whole idea that lefties will dominate us again remains a phallusy fallacy IMO. The weak links that torpedoes us last year (Schu getting too many PAs vs lefties, Duncan, Ankiel, Thurston) are mostly outta here, and Rasmus should improve a bit against the southpaws. We’ve got more right-handed bats in the infield who hits lefties just fine (Lugo, Freese should take most of Thurston and Schu’s PAs vs lefties), and we’ve added one of the 3 or 4 best right-handed hitters in the game.

Seriously, we should hammer the shit out of lefties. We ought to be more worried about righties and our lack of LH pinch-hitting, if anything.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 21, 2010 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

you are obviously correct in your logic monk......

I just won’t believe it until I see it. Soft tossing leftys have killed our RH hitters in the past. I hate soft tossing lefties.

* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jan 21, 2010 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, at this point it's sort of a boogie-man irrational fear

But I am much more confident for the reasons Monk pointed out.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jan 21, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Corey Hart freaks me out

every time I see him because he looks almost exactly like my brother

by heavy metal on Jan 20, 2010 1:44 PM EST reply actions  

Your brother is a neanderthal?

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 20, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey that's me!

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 20, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Aw

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 20, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

you really do like one of us, my condolences

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 20, 2010 11:48 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

"Haywood leads the league in all offensive categories, including nose hair. When this guy sneezes, he looks like a party favor." - Harry Doyle

by Futility Infielder on Jan 20, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Shame this comment isn't in the main post

This comment will likely be overlooked by most everyone

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 21, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I still fully expect it to go green!

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 21, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

two more to go

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 21, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

done

* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jan 21, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Hooray!

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 21, 2010 7:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I did actually flag it too

I think that may be only the second time I’ve ever done that. The phrase “INSTABAN” was also used.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 22, 2010 7:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Aw

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 20, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

hehe

There’s some resemblance

by heavy metal on Jan 20, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Cameron

I agree with you RB. Losing Cameron seems to have gone little noticed in most pundits’ analyses of the Brewers heading into the 2010 season. I don’t think very many folks appreciate the value he brought to their organization. Replacing him will be a tall task for Gomez in his rookie campaign.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 20, 2010 1:47 PM EST reply actions  

Gomez had over 1100 PA's in MLB

only about 50 of them had been any good but he is no rookie.

Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...

by nomar34 on Jan 20, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Really?

Well, shit. Thank you for correcting me.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 20, 2010 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

ha.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 21, 2010 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Cameron is getting to the point

of “undervalued so much he’s overvalued.”

by Daniel Berlyn on Jan 20, 2010 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I think, in comparison to Gomez, he's valued about right

replacing Cameron with Gomez loses you 3 wins before you even THINK about doing anything else. I reckon they’ve made up a ton of ground on the pitching (which may go from awful to average, and gain 7-8 wins) but it’s a big loss.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 21, 2010 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Best KDHX show?

Ska’s the Limit!

As for the Brewers, as has been mentioned above, I can’t see their pitching being good enough to compete as the season goes on. Hopefully this will lead to more delicious Ryan Braun near meltdowns…

HTFU.

by Fro Jackson on Jan 20, 2010 2:00 PM EST reply actions  

Bah.

You would say that, what with your Aquabats avatar and all. (At least, I think that’s the Aquabats guy; I haven’t looked at the large version of it.) Ska’s the Limit is always fun, but it’s on at like three in the morning now. Boo changing tides of fashion.

Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.

by the red baron on Jan 20, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, indeed

It is, in fact, the Auqabats! logo. I miss the days when Ska was cool and Ska’s The Limit was on at 10 or 11… in other words, back in high school :/

OT, but being a fellow former Ska lover, do you find yourself listening to more mellow stuff now? I find that seems to be the common evolution in most of my friends who were into Ska at the 3rd wave’s apex. I can’t seem to get enough of American Analog Set, Great Lake Swimmers, Eels, etc. Kinda sad…

HTFU.

by Fro Jackson on Jan 20, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Love Eels so effing much.

Have ever since Beautiful Freak came out.

As for overall mellowness, yeah, probably, but I’ve always gravitates toward gentle, sad music anyway. I’ve always preferred music, television, movies, books, pretty much anything that is painfully sad. It’s the reason I watch Tim Burton movies hundreds of time and have the final episode of Elfen Lied on my computer instead of just on the external. Just one of those things, I suppose.

Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.

by the red baron on Jan 20, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

End Times

is phenomenal and if you don’t have it already I suggest obtaining it somehow. Probably E’s best work in years.

HTFU.

by Fro Jackson on Jan 20, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

ska will always be cool

At least that’s how I justify listening to old Save Ferris to myself…

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 20, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Used to be 2 hours straight on Friday night

And you could always call Paul and Frosty with a request. Those were the good old days.

"But as the leadoff guy that inning, my job is to get on base and let guys drive me in." - Albert Pujols 8/20/09, base-clogger.

by lightbulb on Jan 20, 2010 10:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I must admit i've not followed much of their material since electroshock blues (which I loved; last stop this town is one of my all-time favourite songs), daisies (which I didn't like much) and, to a lesser extent, souljacker

but when did they become ska? I think of ska being jackie mittoo stuff and 2-tone, the specials and stuff. I know some punky stuff with trumpets in is called ska “these days” by “you kids” but I’ve never really clumped any eels stuff in with that…

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 21, 2010 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't

call eels ska. there’s a bit of up tempo there that’s missing.

Dots Miller for HOF. 'cuz a name means everything!

by Oedipa Maas on Jan 21, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Eels

were not being categorised as ska. Chitown was asking if, as a former ska lover, I now gravitate toward a type of music he finds most of his other former ska-loving brethren have, ie mellow sad sort of stuff. He then tossed out Eels as an example of that variety, not as ska.

Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.

by the red baron on Jan 21, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Beep Beep Boop Boop bitches

Best show on KDHX.

Larry was a wonderful man and helped provide a wonderful service to our city. He will be missed.

"The Mollusk" makes me want to rail LSD crystals off my friends' sternum. Rage."

by ICEYhawtSTUNNAZ on Jan 21, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Love the title

So… do you come to Milwaukee often?

by Andyfantastic on Jan 20, 2010 2:03 PM EST reply actions  

I'm a fairly regular visitor, but Milwaukee has certainly seen its share of visitors.

The French Missionaries, um, damn it! I can’t remember the rest.

I feel bad about myself.

Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.

by the red baron on Jan 20, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

You know, I really should have.

Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.

by the red baron on Jan 20, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Gotta love Wayne's World :)

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jan 20, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I cheated
Well, I’m a regular visitor here, but Milwaukee has certainly had its share of visitors. The French missionaries and explorers began visiting here in the late 16th century.

* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jan 20, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Rec'd.

Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.

by the red baron on Jan 20, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Really have to wonder if this will pay of later in the article

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 20, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I think one of the most interesting thing about Milwaukee

is that it’s the only American city to elect three socialist mayors. That, and their pitching sucks.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jan 20, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Hodge will be waiting a long time.

He’ll never get a shot with Pujols, Rolen, and Carpenter blocking him in the outfield.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 20, 2010 2:16 PM EST reply actions  

hmm

if Gallardo has a really good year, and Wolf doesn’t get hurt, the Brewers are a little more potent than what I was thinking… still, I don’t think they have what it takes to win the central. Hoffman is pretty dang old, and their offense doesn’t seem quite as scary as in the past.

btw, what Aphex Twin is that track from? I hadn’t listened to AFX for a long while, but lately I have been listening to most of his discography. the guy is without a doubt a genius.

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 20, 2010 2:17 PM EST reply actions  

The Come to Daddy EP.

His best work, in my ever so humble. The Little Lord Faultleroy mix of Come to Daddy is my favourite Aphex Twin track ever, and possibly the creepiest thing I’ve ever heard.

Fun fact: the original Daddy mix of Come to Daddy is the song heard playing on Machine’s record player at the end of 8MM.

Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.

by the red baron on Jan 20, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

I am pretty surprised in hindsight how good that ep is… every song on there is ridiculous and no one else could ever do anything even remotely like it. is that mix off the ep “because you don’t give a f*ck”? just about everything he’s done is amazing, although drukqs was a minor letdown I think, mainly because double albums usually have some hit and miss tracks. now playing: don caballero (my favorite band I think)

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 20, 2010 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Nope.

Off the Come to Daddy EP. Come to Daddy had three mixes of the title track, the Daddy (the screaming one), LLF (the creepy, brilliant one), and the Mummy mix, which was a Squarepusher song when Squarepusher was still just a skinny, pale Brit kid in junior high.

The other tracks were Flim (great), To Cure a Weakling Child (good), Bucephalus Bouncing Ball (awesome and deafening on good speakers), Funny Little Man (also creepy, also great), and Iz-Us. I don’t know of any Come to Daddy mixes from other EPs, though I would have to dig out my records to be sure.

Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.

by the red baron on Jan 20, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

there's an older more distorted and weird version

on “because you don’t give a f*ck” I think it’s a rare ep

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 20, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Really?

That’s weird. I have Because… somewhere around here on a 7", and I don’t recall a version of Come to Daddy on there. I stand corrected.

Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.

by the red baron on Jan 20, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

You are absolutely correct.

I went ahead and dug through the crates, and lo and behold, there it be. I certainly don’t remember it all that well, though. (And I was also wrong about having it on a 7"; it was a 9", so AFX basically just got the internet upgrade for free.)

Good call.

Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.

by the red baron on Jan 21, 2010 12:57 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah

I didn’t even know that version existed until recently… not as good as the EP of course

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 21, 2010 1:16 AM EST up reply actions  

The Crew doesn't have the starting pitching

to stay in the race til the end. Offense took a small step backwards I believe. I agree with Baron about Parra as well. He has the stuff, and I would take him on the Cards any day. They will battle with the Reds for 3rd, while Chi-City tangles with us. Nice post.

"A slick way to out-figure a person is to get him figuring you figure he's figuring you're figuring he'll figure you aren't really figuring what you want him to figure you figure." ~ Whitey Herzog

by birdsonabat on Jan 20, 2010 2:21 PM EST reply actions  

I think we're under-rating their starting pitching, tbh

Gallardo is arguably as good as anyone we’ve got (well, probably not actually, but he’s maybe only a win or so behind Waino and could have a massive 2009-waino-esque step forward this year, guy’s filthy), Wolf’s a decent #2 if he’s fit, and although it’s hard to project much from Parra and Bush, they were both decent-verging-on-average pre-2009, so it’s hard to see both of them totally sucking again. Bush in particular could, I think, be an average starter. Doug Davis is another guy who’s about average and he was a fine addition IMO.

They’ve over-spent on some of their additions but I think their pitching probably profiles as being roughly average, tbh. With an above-average offense and a decent defense, they’re probably no more than 4 or 5 wins behind us. They’re very much in the hunt.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 21, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

yea

I was just thinking about how we could be a Carp injury away from being the Brewers.

Dots Miller for HOF. 'cuz a name means everything!

by Oedipa Maas on Jan 21, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Escobar’s glove is everything they say it is

what? awful? i guess i don’t know what kind of reputation he has, but the few times i saw him fielding against the cards it seemed like every ball hit his way was eating him up

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 20, 2010 2:30 PM EST reply actions  

His reputation is akin to Brendan Ryan's rep on this blog.

Well, defensive reputation.

It is one that was developed in the minors though, so it’s not entirely surprising if he struggled a bit to adjust to the majors initially. His UZR/150 last year was -4.8. However, I haven’t read anything, scouting or statistical, indicating he should have trouble adjusting. It’s probably just due to an initial rookie adjustment or a small sample size.

"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is ALBERT when I lay my vengeance upon thee." -The Bible

by Cardinals645 on Jan 20, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think he had trouble adjusting

I remember a rocket off of Holliday that ate him up, but other than that his short time produced a half dozen highlight level plays and otherwise solid play.

by ol Pete on Jan 20, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

i vaguely remember at least three

i can’t site any specific plays, but i know i remember at least three plays where the cards got a break thanks to him. probably just a sample size issue

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 20, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

cite

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 20, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

While there's always the possibility of a doomsday scenario-

Manny Parra becomes an ace, Randy Wolf stays healthy, Gamel becomes Braun part two except he sticks at third, they become pretty scary.

There’s just a lot of luck needed for that to work. Hardy was a 5 win player in 2008, and Mike Cameron was a 4 win player. Those two were the most valuable Brewer position players and they aren’t coming back. Sabathia and Sheets were their two best pitchers, and they’re also gone forever. Looking back, 2008 was very unexpected for the Brewers, and I don’t see the talent for them to repeat that sort of a season.

Also, Dave Concepcion.

by hazel on Jan 20, 2010 2:36 PM EST reply actions  

Alcides Escobar is probably a

+10-11 SS with Glove.

His TZR/150 the last 2 years was

2008 (AA) – 24+
2009 (AAA) – 21+

The MLE of TZR is about – 10 runs at the AAA level. So to say take 21 – 10 to get 11 plus runs with his glove.

by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 20, 2010 2:52 PM EST reply actions  

holy sheets

that’s pretty impressive minor league numbers. Looks Boog-esque to me…

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 21, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

A really good write up IMO

I suppose porous as the alliterative partner for pitching is good. Pitiful might be better.

Regarding Maddux and Peterson: Sheets and Gallardo pretty much arrived the way they were. Other than that I’m not sure whether his rep as a ‘genius’ is deserved. Unless guys are really good or bad, I think its tough to tell. I’m hopeful Peterson can help, but who knows.

Kudos for actually seeing Parra as something other than garbage. Most people just call up a stats page and assume that. Of course he may perform this year like last, but he and Weeks are wild cards. Weeks was doing pretty well and then hurt again.

The bullpen was actually really good last year till starters started breaking down. McClung and Villanueva were failures there. McClung is gone and they basically have one more pitcher there than they need.

There is talk that they’ll get another low cost starter – I hope not Doug Davis – but something along those lines. If I had my druthers, they’d kick Bush to the curb, add 5 million and bring back Sheets.

But all in all a good write up.

by ol Pete on Jan 20, 2010 2:55 PM EST reply actions  

It'll be like the 2006 Cards all over again...

Suppan and Looper pitching and an (inevitably) injured Mulder watching from the bench.

HTFU.

by Fro Jackson on Jan 20, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Looper is gone. He’ll be a Dodger or Nat maybe? They talk about Soup not having a guaranteed rotation spot, but I have a hard time believing it. They did cut their losses with Cards favorite Billy Hall though. That surprised me.

by ol Pete on Jan 20, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

That's what I get

for not keeping up with off-season moves. Tragic, I used to read mlbtraderumors.com every day!

HTFU.

by Fro Jackson on Jan 20, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't forget Narvy!

I have to say watching him get 10 Ks against the Cubs was an enjoyable game to watch.

by ol Pete on Jan 20, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ve always had a soft spot for Narvy.

And Chris Gissell. It’d hurt to see him sign with another NL Central team.

Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.

by liam on Jan 20, 2010 11:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Are we not speaking of Edmonds?

Last I heard, he is likely to get a contract from someone by the end of the week.

by Hardcore Legend on Jan 20, 2010 3:07 PM EST reply actions  

Per mlbtr...

The headline still reads “Cards comeback” but the rumor suggests there’s a 50-50 chance of him signing by the end of the week (though there’s only a 10% chance of that). Is that suggesting he signs with the Cards by the end of the week or someone else?

Also, who would need Edmonds either at OF or 1B?

HTFU.

by Fro Jackson on Jan 20, 2010 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

60% of the time he signs every time?

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 20, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Also, who would need Edmonds either at OF or 1B?

If it’s for the league minimum, I can see a lot of bottom-half clubs rolling the dice on a guy who put up an .800+ OPS two years ago, at least as a backup/platoon guy. The Bravos could go all-ex-Card and have him as insurance for Glaus, I suppose. Just depends if he wants to play for a contender or not…

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 21, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

well then I hope its us

it would allow us to fill a need spot for the league min with money left over to trow at a 5/6th starter or a 3B/utility guy. My only qualm is whether we would be better served just allowing Allen Craig to serve the role, instead.

by mattyp on Jan 20, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

My good man,

you are sounding an awful lot like me, circa yesterday.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 20, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

wouldnt jay do the same thing

but with the addition of upside and ability to play CF as well?

this assuming edmonds signs for the minimum. every dollar above this makes signing edmonds a weaker idea

by FunkeeC on Jan 20, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Another year in AAA won't do Jay any harm

he DID stink up the joint last year. He’s a plus glove, but if Colby’s playing everyday, arguably the need for defensive replacements in the OF is minimal with the way our club is set up. I have a hard time believing that, even with a year off, Jim Edmonds can’t out-hit Jon Jay in 2010.

I’m ambivalent about it because I love Jimmy Baseball, so I’d love to see him play one more time but I’d hate to see him stinking it up. 2007 was a sad year to be a JEd fan, another one of those would kinda suck…

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 21, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

and terrible spelling/grammar

hey, I’m in class and at least halfway trying to pay attention, so back off!

by mattyp on Jan 20, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think anyone wants anything to do with Giles anymore

after his off the field issues. After he refused to leave San Diego, I doubt many teams will come calling.

by Hardcore Legend on Jan 20, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Dude was straight up dominant in 2008

Arguably the best RFer in baseball in 2008. I know he had a horrible 2009 but I think he is worth the risk. Off the field stuff doesn’t bother me as much as it does others though.

by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 20, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

It bothers me...

check out the video in this post:

http://www.gaslampball.com/2008/12/17/695921/brian-giles-caught-on-tape

Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word

by guayzimi on Jan 20, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

ditto

yeah, Giles- big fat pass

I get down on holier than thou sports talking heads as much as anyone, but belting the pregnant with your child girlfriend of several years… that’s something else entirely.

They say sing while you slave but I just get bored

by Scarecrow7775 on Jan 20, 2010 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, possibly causing miscarriages with your off-the-field asshole behavior is over the line

No to Giles please. And he was so awesome in 2008, too.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jan 20, 2010 8:55 PM EST up reply actions  

If he could return to form

it wouldn’t be that bad, but I think the last thing the Cards mgmt. want is more off-the-field drama.

HTFU.

by Fro Jackson on Jan 20, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Giles was so bad last year

it’s as tho he didn’t play. I’d rather have Edmonds at 40 than Giles at 39 (happy b-day, Brian).

Time for a new sig.

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 20, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

He'll go somewhere else...

we don’t have the PT for him, and he won’t be happy riding the pine. Yankees and Tigers could use him.

Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word

by guayzimi on Jan 20, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Richard Weeks!
The defense up the middle should be a big time strength, which should certainly help the pitching, but run prevention just isn’t going to be this team’s bag.

I thought it was strange that there was no mention of Rickie Weeks anywhere in this piece…he’s a below-average defensive second baseman, if I remember correctly. Still solid up the middle with Gomez and Escobar, but Weeks does dampen my enthusiasm in that regard just a little.

It is easy to forget that Weeks was hitting .272/.340/.517 with 9 HR through 162 PA when he got injured last year. His return could be a major boon to their offense as well, assuming he comes back healthy.

In any case, I think Weeks will be an important part of the Brewers’ 2010 season, one way or another.

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 20, 2010 3:52 PM EST reply actions  

I think Weeks is pretty elite actually, according to UZR

depending on how much confidence you have in that. I’d say he’s maybe a floppy-type; great range, poor hands.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 21, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

UZR has him at -7.6 UZR/150 for his career

He was solid last year in a small sample, but overall UZR doesn’t like him too much.

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 21, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

ah, OK.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 22, 2010 7:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I think his hands are pretty good

He’s one of those guys who makes a lot of nice plays and boots a routine one just a little too often. He’s also had a couple big muffs in critical situations which leaves open the choking question. I think working with Randolph was a big plus for him.

by ol Pete on Jan 22, 2010 8:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe I haven't noticed this before

but do RB’s articles generally jump back and forth between Canadian and American English? Or was that an added bonus today?

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 20, 2010 4:09 PM EST reply actions  

they generally do

he likes to throw in the occasional “favourite,” etc

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 20, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

it's called

American and British english

by d-dee on Jan 20, 2010 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Nope it's Canadian... we use the same words

just spell them differently. British English is a whole other language…

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 21, 2010 2:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I say, you curr!

less of the backchat, what!

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 21, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

I think you just made my point for me...

Although I could be very wrong.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 21, 2010 10:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I noticed that

and favourite, but saw he went with defense which is what set the spidey sense tingling

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 21, 2010 2:45 AM EST up reply actions  

6ly? this is the first time you have noticed such things?

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 21, 2010 2:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I tend to read sentences

and not so much words… if that makes sense.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 21, 2010 2:58 AM EST up reply actions  

does it mean I have been around VEB too long

if I do understand? or maybe it ony makes sense because i am a bit drunk.

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 21, 2010 3:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Nah I just wasn't sure

if it would make sense the way I said it…

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 21, 2010 3:06 AM EST up reply actions  

I tend to mix the two, I think

because I try to americaniZe most of my posts, but I can’t bring myself to write rumour, colour etc. without the penultimate U.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 21, 2010 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Penultimate U should be the name of a junior college

“Penultimate University: Hopefully Not The Last Destination In Your Academic Journey™

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jan 21, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I can see the talking points now

1. Penultimate U
2. Some other university
3. . . .
4. profit

by brackenthebox on Jan 21, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

GOOOOOOOOOO PENGUINS!!!

(the Penultimate Penguins being the college octopush team, obviously).

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 22, 2010 7:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Which is funny

cause the extraneous u bugs the hell out of me.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 21, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Great blog by Posnanski

The guy gets it right more often than not. I’m becoming a pretty big fan of his.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Jan 20, 2010 4:10 PM EST reply actions  

ha the fisk quote was wrong

bonds was 36, not 39.

I am the Batman
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by CodyG on Jan 20, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

he was also wrong about how many HRs ruth, mays, and aaron averaged

basically his entire point is based on a bunch of wrong numbers.

/facepalm

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Jan 20, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

oh my fisk had 23HRs at age 39

he was juicing as well, torches everyone!!!.

I am the Batman
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by CodyG on Jan 20, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah.

This is a wonderful bit of analysis because no one knows how much of an effect PEDs actually had.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 20, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I really love Posnanski

but I hope he is about done with the steroid stuff. I will never be convinced that more of baseball “heros” from the the 60’s and 70’s weren’t on some form of PEDs as well. Really, all this revisionist bullshit is just driving me f’in crazy.

Please help us Opening Day, you’re our only hope!

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 20, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

what's going on opening day?

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Jan 20, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

more baseball, less nonsense?

that’s my hope anyway

maybe by then news will come out that Jeter was juicing, so I can stop hearing about this McGwire crap

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 20, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

oh I get it

You want Opening Day to help us. I thought you wanted me to help you with something ON Opening Day, ha.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Jan 20, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

he thinks Opening Day is Ben Kenobi

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 20, 2010 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

in some way, isn't baseball season like Ben Kenobi, Y2S? Isn't it?

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 20, 2010 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

living under an assumed name in the desert while stalking this kid?

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 20, 2010 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

did you see those pics of him & Minka last month?

he looks like an old man with his clothes off. it’s f’ing weird

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 20, 2010 11:54 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm gonna go ahead

and not read the thread. i like this without cintext

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 20, 2010 11:56 PM EST up reply actions  

It's funny that I saw Minka

and thought of Carolla’s joking about the woman who has appeared in some films first and thought HFS… then realized what was going on.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 21, 2010 2:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Looks lke the Brewers got Doug Davis

tweeted
and retweeted by Leach

1yr/5.25 with a mutual option

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 20, 2010 4:45 PM EST reply actions  

+1

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 20, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Oy

Another soft-tossing lefty on the Brewers. I am envisioning the horror of a Gallardo-Parra-Wolf-Davis-Mulder rotation and what that would do to the Cardinals. (I guess, in such a scenario, Suppan becomes a tragically expensive long man.)

Sources say that the primary reason for completing the signing today was to make RB’s post obsolete before the end of the workday.

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 20, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Also

This gives them six viable starters, it seems.

R – Gallardo
L – Wolf
L – Parra
L – Davis
R – Suppan
R – Bush

Should be interesting to see who gets the boot from the back end of that rotation.

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 20, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Probably Parra Yeah?

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jan 20, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Mmm good point

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jan 20, 2010 7:32 PM EST up reply actions  

But they're paying him 12 mil

or whatever ricockulous number he collects with a mask and gun every two weeks.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 21, 2010 6:23 AM EST up reply actions  

well it makes sense

Melvin: CC ate the last meat-based burgers. We’re out of money!
Sausage: WIN NOW.
Melvin: We can’t win now without money.
Sausage: WIN NOW.
Melvin: This is our best chance with the strength of our offense and the weakness of the division. What do we do?
Sausage: [attempts to run over Cardinals players]
Melvin: Ohhhh.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 20, 2010 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Fixed

[attempts to run over sign former Cardinals players]

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jan 20, 2010 6:53 PM EST up reply actions  

How do you think they come by their supply?

That’s how they become ‘former’. It’s the sausages.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 20, 2010 8:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Sausage factory

I’m not sure what I’m trying to say, but I did really just want to say “sausage factory” so I did.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jan 20, 2010 9:00 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm not worried about it, they have a whole new approach at the plate now

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 20, 2010 11:56 PM EST up reply actions  

This strikes me a decent signing in terms of dollars,

but the option isn’t so great. If he gives a Looper-esque performance, they’ll be stuck with him in 2011.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 20, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I still think the Cardinals need something

to shield them against the starters in AAA (several of whom I like). Davis or Jon Garland would have been a nice stability fit as opposed to another injured starter. Something though. . . I’m getting nervous.

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on Jan 20, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Seems like they're just waiting for arbitration to pass to sign Smoltz

I think Smoltz would have caught on somewhere else if that wasn’t the case. 3.87 FIP and being John Smoltz would have bought him a roster spot if he wanted it somewhere else, I think it’s basically a “we’ll give you as much money as we can once we know how much we’re paying everyone else” deal.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jan 20, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope this is correct

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 20, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Garland is still available yeah?

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jan 20, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I know what you mean.

Earlier this offseason, we focused in on the need for a sixth starting pitcher. I’ve always had a preference of Smoltz, depending on the cost. Davis would have been a decent signing. I’ve never been fond of Garland, though, and unless he is cheaper than Davis, I would pass. I do not think we should gamble on a Bedard or Sheets type. We need someone who can offer stability is not a high injury risk. Shoot, maybe that only leaves us with Garland at this point.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 20, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Garland is still out there

but it sounds like Calero may be signed by the Cubs soon.

Time for a new sig.

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 20, 2010 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I've never really understood mutual options

I mean, aren’t they a bit pointless? “If both parties agree that the terms are fair in one year’s time, the option will vest”. Ermm, couldn’t they just sign a one-year deal under those terms in one year then? I just really don’t see how it benefits or hurts either party. I guess there’s probably some nuance I’m not up with.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 21, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm with you

If the pitcher does well, he won’t take it. If he doesn’t, the team won’t take it. That makes it, if you do okay you can stay and even that is sort of, kind of. Maybe its a way to dress up the numbers artificially so he can say he got a 12 million dollar contract.

by ol Pete on Jan 22, 2010 8:27 AM EST up reply actions  

This could've been good for us...

Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word

by guayzimi on Jan 20, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I <3 KDHX

I used to work for the TV side as a cablecaster.

by Mulliganstew on Jan 20, 2010 6:27 PM EST reply actions  

I want Edmonds

but only if he can play the outfield. I’d hoping that a year off has helped relieve the sort of nagging injuries that may have hampered his defense in 08, because those UZR numbers are just awful. If he’s only going to pinch hit and play 1st base, we don’t need him. (Free) Allen Craig can play first for us with much more upside than Edmonds. If Jimmy can play CF at an UZR/150 of -5 or -10 and RF at an average level, then I’d take him.

(All of this is assuming he can still swing the bat fairly well)

The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.

by thegodfather on Jan 20, 2010 6:54 PM EST reply actions  

ya i see no chance of him playing CF

coupled w/ questionable bat and possible salary demands means i think we have options already that make more sense

by FunkeeC on Jan 20, 2010 7:12 PM EST up reply actions  

his salary demand

was league minimum….how is that an issue?

* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jan 20, 2010 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

we shall see if thats what he, if he does, sign for

but all the options we currently have in house are also for league min and have upside that jimmy does not

by FunkeeC on Jan 20, 2010 8:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm just saying,

that the guy jumped up on a stage, in STL and said if the Cards will have him, “I’ll play for free”, which was later amended to league min because MLBPA won’t let anyone play for free. While I am not on the bring Edmonds back wagon, salary is the least of the concerns.

* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jan 20, 2010 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

have upside that jimmy does not

I realise he’s a mega long-shot to put up the .800+ OPS he managed in 2008 again, two years older and one year out of the game, but I seriously think there’s also zero chance of Jon Jay or any other non-Craig OFer (well, maybe Hamilton, but I don’t honestly think the Cards will carry his mediocre-1B-glove in the OF this year) reaching that level on offense.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 21, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Plan:

1. Trade Ludwick, Rasmus, and prospects for Lincecum
2. Sign Edwards and P-dub to play center and right
3. Sign Giles and Geoff Jenkins to back up
4. Tell Carp, Waino, and Lincecum to strike out 27 per 9
5. Win?

Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word

by guayzimi on Jan 20, 2010 7:15 PM EST reply actions  

What is your fascination

with giles and Jenkins?

* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jan 20, 2010 7:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Need I say more?

Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word

by guayzimi on Jan 20, 2010 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

put down the mood altering substances

and you forgot

6. Profit!

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 20, 2010 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Mookie junior has learned...

to lay off the hook during his time away from the game. I think he’s worth a shot. Craig could use some more seasoning…

Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word

by guayzimi on Jan 20, 2010 7:50 PM EST up reply actions  

and you all think i'm batcrap crazy

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 20, 2010 11:56 PM EST up reply actions  

nah

BSI? Yes indeed

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 21, 2010 2:55 AM EST up reply actions  

the gnome says piñata to los angeles of anaheim

did the pondscum secure anyone other than bay?

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 20, 2010 8:32 PM EST reply actions  

not really, but their CF had a surgery

they didn’t want him to have, so they got that going for them.

* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jan 20, 2010 8:41 PM EST up reply actions  

things are looking up for the mets

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 20, 2010 9:14 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm embarrassed

to even be a passive fan

thank god for the cards

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 20, 2010 9:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Danny Mac is doing the Georgetown-Pitt game

Ladies and gentlemen, the hardest working man in sportscasting.

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

Resident malcontented betamale

by slu on Jan 20, 2010 8:42 PM EST reply actions  

or at least more years

unless the lilly/silva/lohse precedent has run its course.

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

Resident malcontented betamale

by slu on Jan 20, 2010 9:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Tough market

Plus he is a risk. He was nearly a 5 win player last year but every other year was lucky to be a 1 win player. If Joel was arguable the best starting pitcher left and only got $8M. Than maybe we can sign Smoltz! Also, Does no one want to play for the Mets?

by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 20, 2010 9:01 PM EST up reply actions  

If the Cards had signed him to that,

I would have honestly had no problem with it.

* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jan 20, 2010 9:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he'll be fine

Pineiro reinvented himself last year, which makes me think he’ll be able to continue his success instead of turning into a pumpkin.

Not a bad deal for the Angels, especially since Pineiro was supposedly looking for 4/40 earlier in the offseason.

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 20, 2010 8:59 PM EST up reply actions  

That Lohse contract...

keeps getting worse.

Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word

by guayzimi on Jan 20, 2010 9:04 PM EST up reply actions  

almost all

fa signings after the 08 economic collapse make previous signings look like crap, mostly

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going

by sportsman on Jan 20, 2010 9:50 PM EST up reply actions  

and small bears

gon’ sign kiko? =(

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 20, 2010 9:28 PM EST reply actions  

Sad.

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Jan 20, 2010 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm gonna miss the epic fail

that was the ’09 cubs bullpen

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 20, 2010 11:50 PM EST up reply actions  

You're right

that they’ve jettisoned some clinkers. I still see Marmol as Turnbow II.

by ol Pete on Jan 22, 2010 8:29 AM EST up reply actions  

mother of ass, where'd you see this?

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 20, 2010 11:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Ack

that’s a missed opportunity. Does Dunc really think KMac is going to step it up this season or something?

Dots Miller for HOF. 'cuz a name means everything!

by Oedipa Maas on Jan 21, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Out of left field.

So I am watching the Australian Open and I can’t help but wonder. Why can they do all the cool stuff they do with the screen shots (where the ball landed, patterns of ball placement and such) but they can’t do the same thing with baseball? Have a camera focus on one spot in the infield, say where Jeter should be, and show each ball hit in that area?

Really just watch 10 minutes of tennis and you will be pissed that baseball doesn’t have the same stuff

by Harknights on Jan 20, 2010 11:55 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

stop making so much sense

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 21, 2010 1:46 AM EST up reply actions  

or because bud selig

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 21, 2010 1:49 AM EST up reply actions  

I watch tennis approximately 4 times a year

and am consistently amazed by 1) the accuracy of their calls and 2) the smart implementation of their replay process.

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on Jan 21, 2010 8:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

It really makes watching more enjoyable. Turns out—fans want to know what actually happened so that the calls are more accurate! What a crazy go nuts idea!

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jan 21, 2010 8:34 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

y'know, danup

(if you even read this), i’d just like you to know that’s it almost a daily occurrence that i think about and laugh at:

“they put an orange slice in my Orange Slice!”

“thad’s gread, mang. it looks like a gread dring”

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 12:03 AM EST reply actions  

i think the brew crew will finish 2nd or 3rd, but not just ahead or behind the wee bears

the reds will be their biggest competition for 2nd or 3rd in the division.

and another good write up red, even if it was done in haste

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 21, 2010 12:08 AM EST reply actions  

you think

the cubs will finish 4th?

i don’t see there being a chance the crew or especially the red stockings overtake them. i imagine the cubs will make the cards not take for granted their status as runaway favorites

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 12:21 AM EST up reply actions  

No chance...

The Cubs finish lower than second. They had a TON of injuries last year and never got on a roll. They’re lineup is pretty damn good, add in the fact that Soto is off the herbs and he should be more like his rookie season and less like last year. Z had an awful season. Don’t see that happening again. If they really do end up signing Sheets they’re rotation stacks up pretty evenly with ours as well. They have bullpen issues but so do we. Throw in the “let’s win it for Sweet Lou” factor, and I have no doubt they will make us earn first place. The Reds, on the other hand, have issues all over the place. Most notably, the rotation. Volquez had tommy john at the END of last year, AND someone else (can’t place the name right now but he was a projected starter) is also hurt. The Reds finish fourth at best.

"A slick way to out-figure a person is to get him figuring you figure he's figuring you're figuring he'll figure you aren't really figuring what you want him to figure you figure." ~ Whitey Herzog

by birdsonabat on Jan 21, 2010 1:07 AM EST up reply actions  

would be a convenient excuse

to try and shed that zambrano contract. and lilly is gonna start the year on the dl, right?

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 1:17 AM EST up reply actions  

there were whispers

about the yankees being interested. i think it’s feasible that someone would be willing to trade for zambrano

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 1:58 AM EST up reply actions  

big z

has a NTC. I just don’t see him going anywhere, not if they want to pretend to contend.

Dots Miller for HOF. 'cuz a name means everything!

by Oedipa Maas on Jan 21, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

if they got Calero and Sheets

that would kinda suck. Two VEB mancrushes to the hated enemy!

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 21, 2010 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

the flubs are another year older & have done nothing to make themselves better

they dumped their best OF & best starter. did you really just argue that because a career minor leaguer who played one charmed season out of nowhere will repeat that because he’s not toking up? HFS®. if there’s on thing you can count on, it’s that you can’t count on Z. this is the guy who hurt his elbow emailing mind you. no one cares about wining it for lou, they’ve been trying to win it for a goat & some ghosts for over a century now & how’s that worked out for them?

the reds have issues, but right now they more balanced than the brew crew & the flubs. i’ve said it before & i still believe it about the reds though, until they actually win you can’t count on them to. but on paper i think they are as good or better than both the brew crew & flubs.

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 21, 2010 1:17 AM EST up reply actions  

cubs have better pitching and offense, brewers have much better offense and slightly worse pitching. it’s pretty difficult to discount braun → fielder and they’ve improved their pitching staff a lot. they might be missing a #4 starter and have one too many #5 starters, but they’re definitely a >.500 club. maybe even a team could briefly sniff the lead in the division. kinda like they did last year

cubs will also be better. getting rid of bradley was pretty dumb, but byrd is historically about equally as valuable as bradley. the last three seasons, bradley has averaged 2.6 WAR; byrd 2.9. they can probably also expect 2 more wins out ramirez if he is healthy all season. sure, they lost harden, who has a lot of potential, but every one of zambrano, lilly, dempster and wells were worth at least a win more than harden was in 2009.

and it’s not like the reds have really improved their club. volquez is still gonna be injured. cueto, harang and arroyo will be about average and micah owings will be the fourth best hitter on the team.

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 21, 2010 1:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Addition by subtraction.

I don’t care how good Milton Bradley is in the American League, which is what you have to be referring to while calling him they’re best outfielder. He plays plus D but that’s all he gave them. He stunk up the joint last year because Hendry couldn’t recognize the fact that the only reason he put up such good numbers the year before was because he was getting outfield days off to DH. He’s had too many injuries to play in the NL everyday. Not to mention he ripped that clubhouse apart. Z, while polarizing, will not give games away like last year. He’s pissed. I’m not betting against Z with something to prove. While Harden is good in all, he goes 6 tops. He was part of the reason they’re bullpen was in shambles at the end. Everyone was gassed from starters going down and Harden going 5 down the stretch most of the time. And I hardly call a 26 year old that has 2 years of the Bigs under his belt, a career minor leaguer…but hey, that’s just me.

"A slick way to out-figure a person is to get him figuring you figure he's figuring you're figuring he'll figure you aren't really figuring what you want him to figure you figure." ~ Whitey Herzog

by birdsonabat on Jan 21, 2010 1:45 AM EST up reply actions  

you won't get this stuff anywhere else, Cardinal fans actually defending the wee little bears

i rationally can’t do it, no matter what i just can’t do it.

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 21, 2010 1:53 AM EST up reply actions  

LOL

I was actually thinking to myself the entire time “am I actually defending the Cubs? WTF??” My best friend, Cubs fan, will never believe it.

"A slick way to out-figure a person is to get him figuring you figure he's figuring you're figuring he'll figure you aren't really figuring what you want him to figure you figure." ~ Whitey Herzog

by birdsonabat on Jan 21, 2010 2:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Cubs aren't special

The Cubs just aren’t a very good team, lots of old guys who are starting to break down physically. I think the Cubs at best are a 3rd place team. The Cardinals take the division unless Carpenter, Wainwright or Pujols get hurt. The Brewers and Reds are both high variance teams, one of them hits the upper end and wins like 85+games, the other hits the lower end and is in the 80 win or so range.

The Cubs finish under .500 unless they sign some more players.

by Ender on Jan 31, 2010 8:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I can't believe I just watched all 70 minutes of

Epic Review of Star Wars: The Phantom Menace, insightful and hilarious

Someone posted this before on VEB but I just know watched it. It really was a shitty movie but I guess it wasn’t as bad as Batman and Robin

The review is actually funny and interesting. Especially if you were a big fan of the first 3. The real first 3.

by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 21, 2010 12:52 AM EST reply actions  

its full of win to the factor of infinity

i really wish lucas would respond.

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

Resident malcontented betamale

by slu on Jan 21, 2010 1:04 AM EST up reply actions  

it really made no sense at all

I mean people talk about Avatar being all special effects with a bad plot. But at least the plot made sense even it was predictable. The Phantom Menace just didn’t make any sense what so ever

by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 21, 2010 1:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I watched the first one of those

…maybe part of the second too. The length was intimidating but I really want to see the rest. They guy was dead on in the part I have seen.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jan 21, 2010 8:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I've watched it too

It’s pretty hilarious.

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 21, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

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