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a confession; and problems of value

now that the new year is upon us, i have the chance to do something i wanted to do five weeks ago.

i never knew when, but i always knew this day would come. it's time for me to talk about the past and to confirm what people have suspected. i used to drink alcohol during the composition of my blog posts in november and december of 2009 and I apologize. i remember trying to write after three glasses of wine or, in the holiday season, a glass of store-bought eggnog heavily spiked with rum.

i wish i had never touched any post-enhancing drinks (PEDs). it was foolish and it was a mistake. i truly apologize. looking back, i wish i had never posted during the drunk-blogging era.

i'm sure people will wonder if i would have written in the same way if i hadn't blogged while half in the bag. i had good posts i wrote sober and bad posts i wrote drunk. but no matter what, i should have just said no, like nancy reagan and gary coleman used to tell me in very special episodes of "diff'rent strokes." 

blogging is really different now. sbnation has cleaned the place up a lot. i now have to blow into a little straw attached to the usb port of my laptop to post at all. if that thing doesn't read 0.05 or less, i get automatically redirected to the p-d forums. they've shown me some tough love, and i'm glad they did.

after all this time, i want to come clean. i was not in a position to do that five weeks ago in response to probing questions about why whole lines of text appeared as gibberish or why i led my december 19th post with what appeared to be a low-resolution camera phone picture of my own navel, but i now feel an obligation to discuss this and answer questions about it. i'll do that, and then i just want to help this blog make the internet a happier, nerdier place. 

right after this glass of port.

Star-divide

while the offseason of 2009-2010 is not yet over, we've seen enough of it to have some sense of its measure. most recently, matt holliday just blew the hot stove up. among its smoldering embers, the one that burns the hottest at the moment seems to be . . . joel pineiro. the dodgers and the mets are both taking careful looks at him. anybody who said in january of 2009 that joel pineiro would be the free agent starting pitcher in third or fourth greatest demand after lackey and wolf and maybe harden, step right up.

something which has driven me crazy this off-season is the bizarre treatment of some arbitration-eligible free agents. a first, and easy, objection to the free agency-arbitration system is that the elias rankings were dated when they came out and haven't aged well, misprizing defense being the most obvious defect, which leaves mike cameron a type B and jermaine dye a type A. more thought has been put in by some good sabermetricians on the value of an individual draft pick -- for instance, here and also, newly published, here. nate silver wrote the seminal article on the topic several years ago before he started writing about boring things like the electoral college and teabags and health care, but it's for paying readers only [insert greedy sabermetrician joke here].

my concern this year has focused around the failure to offer arbitration to some obviously appropriate candidates for arbitration. some type A free agents are so obviously valuable that offering arbitration is risk-free (holliday, bay, lackey). some type A free agents are clearly on the decline or prone to injury such that an offer of arbitration would be immediately accepted and would cost the club substantially more in arbitration than on the free market (troy glaus, jermaine dye, etc.). a third group, which presents unique challenges, are relievers; apart from "closers" (i am tempted to continue to place the word "closer" in quotes just because i think i hate it), even good relievers are worth less than the value of a first- (or second-, for teams with protected picks) round pick (see octavio dotel, darren oliver). last is a group of what tends to be infielders without the eye-popping slugging values of the matt hollidays of the world, but with solid offensive production; this year, the group featured orlando hudson, orlando cabrera, and placido polanco.

of the first group, the only person who clearly fits the first category who was denied arbitration was randy wolf. what a terrible decision by the dodgers, their financial situation notwithstanding. what was the real risk? first, he was almost certain to decline arb, knowing that offers like the one he got for multiple years and eight figures would await. second, even if he accepted, the dodgers would have had a second tier pitcher on their hands on a one-year deal at about his market value. given that they are now looking at rotation help (like the esteemed mr. pineiro), they could, you know, have let him pitch. or, if money was really that tight, they could have traded him after the arbitration process.

the second group had few surprises. the only player who may have arguably gotten unfairly lumped in here is johnny damon, and the progress of the hot stove season suggests that the yankees made the right choice to refuse arb for him. damon will likely get less on the market than his arb value. 

in the third group, a lot of teams took the chances that their "closers" would reject arbitration and net them two picks. the last signing in this group - valverde - was a very hard decision. i'm inclined to think the tigers chose wrongly in doing so, but i am less charitable than danup. at any rate, nobody got juan cruz'd this year among relievers.

in the fourth group, arb was denied across the board to these players. chone figgins and marco scutaro were the only infielders to be offered arb. both rejected arb and received major deals. 

* * *

type a cases - except for aberrant cases like wolf - are actually less interesting than type b cases. for type b free agents, the signing team suffers no penalty, but the team that offered arbitration gains a supplementary pick. in theory, type b free agents should be like free money; the only restraint is the concern that the type b free agent will accept arb and be less valuable than what one could have otherwise done with that money (braden looper, melvin mora). 

maybe it was the tight economy, but very few type b free agents were offered arb - only 13. some surprising names on the list of those not offered arb - nick johnson, mike cameron, bedard, doug davis, jon garland, harden, vincente padilla, pettitte, etc. some of those names can be attributed to the same crunched budgets (and internal front office strife) that led the dodgers to deny arb to randy wolf. the brewers (cameron), the cubs (harden), arizona (davis), and the dodgers, again (padilla, garland). [btw, revisit this dave cameron gem about the cubs from last year, their good but not great gm, and their excellent financing. also, they were the best team in the NL in 2009, apparently.]  some arb denials came from clubs relatively flush with cash - seattle (bedard) and new york (pettite). in both cases, one assumes the club just felt the player would make more in arb than on the free market, which may well be right. note that both clubs ended up needing more pitching. 

in addition to the tight economy, the other theme of this offseason has been the hangover. clubs are really paying now for what they thought earlier in the decade (do i have to say last decade already?) was a new era in gigantic contracts. each of the clubs above now claiming poverty have sunk tons of money into players who are modestly good at best. by my count, the dodgers may have left as many as  4 picks on the table (wolf and two type B picks) - maybe more if you think belliard or orlando hudson were good wagers to reject arb (which i doubt). the dodgers have tapped out their farm system in the best way -- by putting good farm graduates on the field. but they're still going to need a continuing stock of talent to keep the club running, and all those picks could have made the 2010 draft one to sustain the club for a long time. this offseason has been a gigantic step back for the org, and even the issue of the divorce rings hollow in justifying this kind of negligent management. even if padilla or garland had accepted arb, they remain very tradeable pieces on the open market.

in a curiosity, the one player inexplicably offered arb was pudge rodriguez. texas took the chance that pudge would call their bluff and go to arb. he didn't, and the nats (who somehow were afraid offering nick johnson arb would put them in the poorhouse) doubled down on texas's questionable choice and gave him a two year contract. texas walks away with a pick from the pudge signing and the byrd signing. two not spectacular players that texas had the guts to offer arb to and texas gets two extra chances to make their farm more ridiculously great. 

i will say i really liked the offer of arb to both derosa and pineiro. mo made good decisions on those two and the no-brainers on holliday and glaus.

* * *

what we need is a new system with two key features. first, we have to get away from traditional elias rankings that undervalue strong defenders and overvalue poor ones, as well as relying on weaker traditional stats like saves and wins for pitchers. second, we have to stop penalizing the players by taking away the first round picks from teams who sign type A free agents.

the solution to the first question will require some negotiation and some incorporation of these egghead stats. the second one seems reasonably clear: follow the supplemental round pick model. eliminate the rule that allows the offering team to poach the signing team's pick. in addition to the unfair burden put on the player (and the perverse incentive to play badly that it gives to a player whose stats put him on the border between type A and type B  in the last month of a season), the "penalty" is somewhat arbitrary since half of the teams will lose a far less valuable 2nd round pick for signing a type A free agent. you could instead grant the offering club two supplemental picks between the first and second rounds.

alternately, you could create a secondary supplemental round between the second and third round. give teams who offer arb to a type A free agent who declines and signs elsewhere a round 1A pick and a round 2A pick, and teams who offer arb to a type B free agent who declines and signs elsewhere a round 2A pick. 

either way, a reformed system would accomplish what it was designed to do; to encourage, not discourage, the offer of arbitration. 

the other lesson here is that if you have any money at all, get a prenup. or maybe don't get married.

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the other lesson here is that if you have any money at all, get a prenup. or maybe don’t get married.

Don’t buy a baseball team.

The heart is the general, the eyes are the scouts, the fists are the arrows, the body is the bow.

by Aranathor on Jan 16, 2010 8:24 AM EST reply actions  

I agree that the system is flawed......

What type of system could have Jermaine Dye as a top tier Free Agent?

* is an Asshat

by RiverRat on Jan 16, 2010 10:04 AM EST reply actions  

How many previous seasons does it take into account? 3?

If so, they probably notice that, even though he’s entering his age 36 season as a true DH, the last three years he has averaged 31 doubles, 30 homers, and a .496 SLG, while keeping a modest avg of .267 and OBP of .334. The kicker is, despite his age, he has over 1750 PA in that time span. So, in other words, he’s an above average power hitter, who keeps coming to the plate – even though he’s only available to 14 of the 30 teams.

by stlfan on Jan 16, 2010 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

This makes me ask:

Is there a “DH” category for classifying FAs?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 16, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

1B/OF/DH

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 16, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

satire?

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going

by sportsman on Jan 16, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

nm?

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 16, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

...aaanndd scene.

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 16, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Why "stop penalizing the players"

by taking away first-round picks from Type As? Type As always have the option to ACCEPT arbitration, thereby getting a guarantee to make more money in one year than most readers of this blog will in their lifetimes. If their record is such that the club wins at arbitration instead of the player, they’re still filthy rich, and the club win is an indication that the player was overvalued by the process. In other words, the ones “penalized” by the Type A designation are the ones who don’t really deserve the designation anyway.

by StanTheManFan on Jan 16, 2010 10:50 AM EST reply actions  

But, it does punish Type As relative to Type As.

Sure, they will make more in a one-year deal than many readers of this blog will ever make, but, that doesn’t mean it isn’t punishment for the Type As. But, the peak of their earning power and their earning window is so much younger and smaller than your average joe that it is punishment.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 16, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

it has two negative effects: one, it ensures that some players will not be able to negotiate a long-term contract.

second, it actually puts better players in a slightly worse off position than less talented players. consider two relievers — one is a good verging on great reliever; the second is a solidly good reliever. the first gets ruled a type A free agent. the second gets ruled a type B free agent. the type B free agent will actually be able to decline arbitration and look for a modest but profitable two year deal. the type A free agent, if offered arb, can really only accept arb. like i said in the article, this could potentially create a perverse incentive to encourage a player to play worse at the end of the season to ensure type B status.

if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus

by tom s. on Jan 16, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't agree.

Look at the way arbitration offers have played out in practice. Very few type-A free agents have actually had to accept arbitration for fear of not getting a satisfactory offer, and several who were offered arb but declined have gone on to score massive contracts. You are correct that the inferior type-A, the one who’s grossly overrated, can only accept arb if offered, but (1) I don’t think that’s a bad thing, and (2) very few of the ones in that category are offered arb anyway. I just don’t see a problem here.

I do, however, agree 100% that something needs to be done to make the system for adjudicating Type A, Type B, etc., more accurate. That’s where the real problem lies.

by StanTheManFan on Jan 16, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions  

The problem here is how the rating system is valuing them though

Not how the compensation system works.

Only the really inferior Type A’s (guys who have an amazing career year, players who have two good years with an injury plagued season in between them) are ever going to be undervalued on the market. If you rated those guys properly, then they should be borderline Type A/B players, and there would be fewer instances of this.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 18, 2010 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

But, it does punish Type As relative to Type As.

This is some sort of philosophy joke, right? I should’ve read more fucking Neitzsche.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 16, 2010 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

thereby getting a guarantee to make more money in one year than most readers of this blog will in their lifetimes.

why would i possibly give a fuck how much the readers of this blog make?
players should make as much as they can; as should everyone who reads this blog. of course, people would probably make more if they got out of their basement.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Jan 16, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

bwahahaha

Cubs the best team in the national league *laughing hysterically* Jim Hendry has a good eye for talent *sides hurting* Aaon Heilman a better pitcher than 3/5 of the Cardinals rotation (comments) *passes out*

by mattyp on Jan 16, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

his article on the cardinals in that series was even sillier

though i was kind of an asshole in the comments.

it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie

by SleepyCA on Jan 16, 2010 7:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Tom don't be too hard on yourself

At the time that you were blogging w/alcohol, SB Nation had no formal policy vs. it. It was also the blogger’s union’s fault for fighting vs. testing and the SB Nation commissioner’s spinelessness.
Great post, Tom.

born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red

by totalloser on Jan 16, 2010 11:04 AM EST reply actions  

Just for the record

Acting like a fool with your pants on the ground…

Brenden Ryan is my hero...

by pattimagee on Jan 16, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

that's ironic

I usually take massive doses of anabolic steroids whilst sitting in my parents’ basement watching mlb.tv on my laptop.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 16, 2010 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

jack clark just tweeted

that all bloggers who used alcohol to write are scum and should be banned.

by jjray on Jan 16, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Alcohol hasn't turned me orange.....

oh…your talking about his giant swollen nose.

* is an Asshat

by RiverRat on Jan 16, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I think when you are as big as the sun you take on its color.

Don’t get too close to him. He probably gives off radiation.

by momup on Jan 16, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions   4 recs

you'll also probably be sucked in by his gravitational pull, and he'll eat you

or make you buy a plasma tv

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 16, 2010 8:41 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

The only time I've regretted

having HD, was when I first saw the Orange Monster © last year.

* is an Asshat

by RiverRat on Jan 16, 2010 8:43 PM EST up reply actions  

some people were just not made to be seen in HD

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 16, 2010 9:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Does drinking alcohol

cause tanning beds to make your skin more orange?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 16, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

usually the delusion that you need to tan more.

if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus

by tom s. on Jan 16, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

everyone was drunk-blogging. it was a drunk-blogging culture.

It’s my benchmark to determine the editorial values of the glossary. Which means I now have to devote a section to denouncing the practice.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 16, 2010 7:54 PM EST up reply actions  

well then don't bogart the goods man

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 16, 2010 8:42 PM EST up reply actions  

um, they don't give us cards here in ohio, we use the buddy system

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 16, 2010 9:04 PM EST up reply actions  

He's not your buddy guy?

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 17, 2010 12:22 AM EST up reply actions  

i'm not your guy pal

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 17, 2010 12:26 AM EST up reply actions  

i'm not your friend, cowboy

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 17, 2010 12:31 AM EST up reply actions  

South Park.

VEB has to re-act the scene at once a month. It’s in the website charter.

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Jan 17, 2010 12:49 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

It requires a 3/5 majority,

and I just don’t have the funds to hire a lobbyist right now.

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Jan 17, 2010 12:52 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

the charter stipulates

that it can only be amended by lboros, after he has sacrificed a poster and partook of his blood. Lboros was in a weird place when he started this blog, i guess.

by mattyp on Jan 17, 2010 12:53 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Inevitably, the line of volunteers yearning for death is long enough.

"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus

by hazel on Jan 17, 2010 1:21 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

come on, everyone knows it's me

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 17, 2010 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

no politics!

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 17, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

I just couldn't pass up

the chance to call gdm sailor.

* is an Asshat

by RiverRat on Jan 17, 2010 12:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Perhaps

a remixed visual aid would help…

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 17, 2010 1:10 AM EST up reply actions  

However

this clip is where it all started from, or this is the complete episode which is absolutely brilliant in my opinion.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 17, 2010 1:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Perhaps it's just that i've imbibed a bit of spirits...

- and I apologize to those of you who mind it for extending a conversation that has nothing to do with baseball, but, in those clips, -

the way the tops of the Canadians’ heads split off and bounce around freaks me the hell out.

by peach concrete on Jan 17, 2010 1:33 AM EST up reply actions  

yet somehow, i think it works

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 17, 2010 1:41 AM EST up reply actions  

I keep on beating the same drum

SABR is still dominated by regression and expected values. e.g. The Draft and Wins Above Replacement (Part 2), By Sky Andrecheck. Don’t get me wrong I think the expected value approach is helpful. But I just think it is incomplete since it does not fully consider distributions. I think it was fine to use minimum cost classification (expected values) to make a decision to whether or not offer arb. But valuing solely on expected values and not other distributional characteristics (e.g. variability, skewness, multiple modes) is a bit incomplete.

born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red

by totalloser on Jan 16, 2010 11:10 AM EST reply actions  

Just to clarify

I don’t want to seem ungrateful for the excellent stats that are currently available.. I just want more stats. I think starting with variability would be fairly simple to implement. Right now, most of our tests are based on central tendencies so Z-type and T-type distributions. It would be nice to have some data to use F-type distributions.

born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red

by totalloser on Jan 16, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

i completely agree...

… especially when evaluating prospects (which i understand isn’t what we’re discussing here, but still). i would also like a more-complete positional breakdown. the Elias system is too clunky here.

by kindred on Jan 16, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

if these variables are normally distributed

but i think most are not

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going

by sportsman on Jan 16, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

By looking at distributions we gain more insight into the variable (not just the central tendency) and we can check the multiple regression assumption of normally distributed variables.

born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red

by totalloser on Jan 16, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I just want more stats.

You, you…. ANIMAL!

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 16, 2010 6:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree that people should be looking more at probability distributions rather than a singular number

Mainly because the expected value distributions are NOT normal (a player is much more likely to provide no surplus value than he is to be a star)l; however, that takes a considerable amount more work and I’m not sure if the end result is going to be much different.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 16, 2010 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

yep

is there any place you run a plot of all mlb batting averages. i suspect it is log normal, or close to it

long live skewness and kurtosis!!

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going

by sportsman on Jan 16, 2010 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

You might be right in terms of player valuations

but how about something more mundane? Let’s assume 4 PAs per game, and only consider hits. And one player always gets one hit per game while another player gets 4 hits every four games. Same BA but which one would you rather have?

born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red

by totalloser on Jan 16, 2010 11:30 PM EST up reply actions  

You'd use Base Runs for that, which is dynamic not linear

Plug in 4 singles into a league average batting performance per game, and plug in 1 single and multiply that by 4. See which one is higher. However, depending on the run environment, I could see it going either way.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 16, 2010 11:55 PM EST up reply actions  

The answer is obvious,

the guy with four hits in one game obviously did steroids for that game.

"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus

by hazel on Jan 17, 2010 1:22 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

You know, that is one thing that is truly remarkable about Pujols.

Aside from his tear with the bases loaded last year, his situational stats and trends are generally very flat.

He hits about the same no matter what day it is, has no significant platoon splits, and his situational stats are very linear. Yet another way the man amazes me. He is truly the maching.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Jan 19, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Query: Where can I go

to get updated info on the status of draft pix gained/lost for each of these transactions?

by MdRedbirdFreak on Jan 16, 2010 11:53 AM EST reply actions  

I'm unaware of a one-stop site.

Perhaps you could search MLBTR for the Type A and Type B lists, which I’m pretty sure they posted and then cross-reference that with the MLB FA Tracker, which would allow you to figure out who signed elsewhere and which clubs got draft picks as a result.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 16, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Interesting thoughts, tom...

Although I think you’re going a bit too far in reforming the system. I don’t find any fault in the compensation model. I find a lot of fault in the way that players are ranked. If you fix the Type A/Type B ranking system to factor in defense, and, say BaseRuns or Runs Created or wOBA, I don’t think that you need to touch the compensation model at all.

One thing you didn’t factor in here is that teams picking in the top 15 have their pick protected so they can sign Type A free agents if they want to without fear of losing their top pick. Sure, they lose their second round pick, but it isn’t near as punishing as losing a first rounder. That should, theoretically, entice those teams to spend money on Type A free agents to make their team better. I don’t know how well this works, though, because the big market teams tend to drive up prices and that smaller market teams can’t afford a $15-$18M per year player anyway, and those are the teams that generally end up in the top half of the first round.

The MLBPA should be considering negotiating that foreign players be included in the draft in the next CBA. If Aroldis Chapman and Dice-K can get $50M contracts because of their increased negotiation leverage, shouldn’t American born players either get the same advantage or have the foreign born players subjected to the draft? If those guys can get that amount, what would Stephen Strasburg have gotten with the FA negotiating leverage? I shudder to think.

I don’t think that there should be two different markets where negotiations are made differently. In the case of someone like Bryce Harper, the player is at a tremendous disadvantage because he could be playing minor league ball right now and have a $25M contract if he had been born in Mexico instead of in the U.S. It’s ludicrous to hold teams to two different standards of conduct based on where the player is from. So either do away with the draft altogether and make everyone free agents, or subject everyone to the draft with no free agency prior to being available through the draft process.

If you incorporate the foreign born players into the draft system, the draft then gets much, much deeper, since you’ll probably have at least 20 more players in each draft with 1st or 2nd round talent, and possibly more than that in some drafts. You would also have fewer wealthy teams able to take advantage of the foreign player market by signing tons of those players for depth in the farm system while forgoing their top picks to sign as many Type A free agents.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 16, 2010 12:00 PM EST reply actions  

I agree with your concern about international FAs

in fact, wasn’t there some speculation, even if a bit conspiratorial, that Boras was considering advising Harper to move out of the country and sign with some latin american team, just so he could come back as an international FA. Not sure how that would work out, but if it did work it would surely set a precedent that would be very harmful to MLB.

by mattyp on Jan 16, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, i agree the treatment of international signees is another area of concern.

a well-done fix of the elias rankings would help a lot. if the calculus of reliever rankings is fixed so that only the absolute most elite relievers are type A, that will diminish substantially the players who are classified type A but could never find a job as a type A. on the other hand, adjusting infielders’ rankings for defense and position adjustment would probably make more of those fielders type A and make it even harder for the polancos and hudsons of the world to find a signing.

if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus

by tom s. on Jan 16, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

agree with your first 2 paragraphs

also think they should do away with the 2B/3B/SS and 1B/OF classifications. Everyone should be ranked on the same list, using positional adjustments etc.

it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie

by SleepyCA on Jan 16, 2010 6:28 PM EST up reply actions  

it's still hugly unfair to players & teams outside of the protected top 15 picks

it’s not fair that you’re a good team & lose you pick just because you signed a type A. and it’s not fair to the type A he can’t get the deal he wants because teams don’t want to lose their pick. they need to get rid of that rule, it’s not fair. it punishes the successful & that’s flat out wrong.

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 16, 2010 8:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Punishes them how?

So they can accept arbitration and end up with a multi-million deal? I don’t see how that punishes them at all, actually.

You’re going to see a lot more stink from the owners about the arbitration process and award amounts than you’ll see from the players about the compensation process. Every other major professional sport has some type of compensation for lost talent — it’s a semi-effective way to ensure at least some parity amongst other teams.

If you remove the compensation picks, you’re removing the incentive for teams to make trade deadline deals as well, because they might not get anything other than 2 months worth of a player if he leaves via free agency.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 18, 2010 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

it limits them from all teams bidding on their services, and that's hugely unfair

and there’s no way deadline deals will stop if the pics are removed.

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 18, 2010 7:38 PM EST up reply actions  

No

but it will affect them.

For any one free agent, there are only 10 or 15 teams who could sign the free agent anyway. Removing the picks isn’t going to create a bigger market for that player, unless that player is already undesirable for some reason (he’s the last Type A on the market, injury issues, etc.) I think you are vastly overstating the market for free agents. For any free agent, they’re much better off in a market where the high spending teams are involved and they don’t do as well in markets where those teams aren’t involved. For instance, there’s little chance that Derek Lowe would have gotten the same deal this year as he did last year, because the market wasn’t as good. Holliday would have gotten a much better deal last year because of the Yankees being in the market.

You’re talking about scrapping the whole system, which has worked very well, by the way, to prevent Juan Cruz from getting fucked over, when Juan Cruz could just accept arbitration and make $6M the next season Cruz didn’t make as much after he declined arbitration as he would have by accepting arbitration. The players also need to understand what the market is like and make decisions accordingly.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 18, 2010 8:56 PM EST up reply actions  

you haven't convinced me, i just can't think of anything else to say to make my point

i still think it’s unfair

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 19, 2010 4:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Do we need an external ranking system at all?

Why not just rank all the FAs based on the contracts that they ultimately receive? At the end of FA season, line up all the contracts by NPV or NPV/(contract years) or something, and mark off the type As and type Bs.

by brackenthebox on Jan 17, 2010 8:45 AM EST up reply actions  

As many flaws as there are in the NBA, I really like their model.

Players’ salaries are fixed based on their draft slot, and all international players are included.

Even if the Royals signed a big name Type A and held their protected pick, they sometimes can’t draft who they want because of the signability issue.

Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.

by Eckstreem on Jan 19, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

He should be banned from blogging about baseball

and yes, my orange skin comes from eating too many Cheetos, what of it!!!

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 16, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

fried to a crackly crunch

i hope

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going

by sportsman on Jan 16, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

You know, I think I could get you a job

on sports radio in Chicago. Can you say this, but in an angrier way?

by sdrone on Jan 16, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

HL sounds awfully similar to Jack Clark.

Coincidence? I think not.

born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red

by totalloser on Jan 16, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

He will never be voted into

the blogging HOF. It will go to the veterans committee, and we all know they’ll never let him in with this PED cloud over his head.

* is an Asshat

by RiverRat on Jan 16, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

YES!

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 16, 2010 8:48 PM EST up reply actions  

tom s. is a thief.

He stole money from other bloggers with his PED-influenced posts. And he has sullied the sanctity of the blog.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 16, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

what a terrible role model for all the

young bloggers that look up to him

by mattyp on Jan 16, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Reyes Game 1

For all those interested, my TV info says that MLB network will be showing Game 1 of the 2006 World Series at noon (central time).

by CRay on Jan 16, 2010 12:21 PM EST reply actions  

And Today

Albert Pujols becomes on the wrong side of 30.

by Mister Eff on Jan 16, 2010 12:31 PM EST reply actions  

Impossible.

Albert Pujols is always on the correct side of everything.

by peach concrete on Jan 16, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

in that case, that means today

I became on the wrong side of 30.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 16, 2010 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

happy bday?

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 16, 2010 8:49 PM EST up reply actions  

no, I was being clever and shit

if albert pujols has become 30, and is always on the right side of everything, younger than 30 (which is what I is) is now the wrong side of 30.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 17, 2010 6:04 AM EST up reply actions  

wait!

are you albert pujols?
woooooah!

by d-dee on Jan 16, 2010 11:15 PM EST up reply actions  

stupid sbn

albert isn’t british.

I am the Batman

by CodyG on Jan 16, 2010 11:16 PM EST up reply actions  

i don't think that's sbn

i think that’s you hitting enter instead of apostrophe

/quibble

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 16, 2010 11:25 PM EST up reply actions  

looks like it

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 17, 2010 10:07 PM EST up reply actions  

RIGHT side of 30, actually.

I speak as one who is also on that side. Welcome, Albert and Matt. You’re in good company.

by StanTheManFan on Jan 16, 2010 11:16 PM EST up reply actions  

When did Carp

get this tattoo?

nexdef’d?

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 16, 2010 12:55 PM EST reply actions  

last offseason

did you take this pic?

by d-dee on Jan 16, 2010 4:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

no, i just ran across that on twitter today

I suppose I didn’t spend much time paying attention to Carp’s non-throwing arm last season.

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 16, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

VEB discussed the tat at length

and knowing VEB, probably tattoos in general.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 16, 2010 7:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I must have missed that and/or too drunk to remember it

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 16, 2010 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

they're supposedly the astrological signs of his kids

the wife approved it
read: she thought it was badass.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 16, 2010 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

i thought he had an arm length one too

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 16, 2010 8:50 PM EST up reply actions  

am i the only one

who thinks he talks about his wife too much?

by d-dee on Jan 16, 2010 11:18 PM EST up reply actions  

she's the only person that scares Carp

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 16, 2010 11:45 PM EST up reply actions  

you don't wanna know

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 16, 2010 11:52 PM EST up reply actions  

That reminds me of Ari Gold and his wife.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Jan 17, 2010 9:09 AM EST up reply actions  

"i love you baby! can we f right here?"

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 17, 2010 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Luddy talks about his wife a lot

besides, that’s from one interview out of dozens. if you check his quotes, Carp’s mostly about the luggage.

besides, what’s wrong with talking about your spouse? is there some rule I don’t know about?

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 17, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Better than footballs system

*What I am about to repeat is something I heard on the radio from a guy currently working for the NFL explaining it to DeMarco Farr

Starting next year the top tier winners such as the Super Bowl winners will have severely restricted free agent abilities. ie The only way the Yankees could sign a premier talent such as Matt Holliday is that they would have to lose in the process. So they would have to lose A-Rod to sign Holliday. They can only sign a premier free agent if they lost one also.

Sounds stupid but that is pretty verbatim how the guy explained it.

by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 16, 2010 1:27 PM EST reply actions  

That's assuming no agreement

is reached, since the cap will be totally messed up.

by sdrone on Jan 16, 2010 11:18 PM EST up reply actions  

That won't happen

I get the feeling an agreement will be reached or they will go with an uncapped year, in which case everything will get FUBAR.

FWIW, the NFL’s FA system works pretty well, they just need to guarantee at least the first 3 years of any contract, and develop a better Veterans system to work with these players who have existing medical issues from playing football.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 18, 2010 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

This is not my home page

even though it’s the first place I check on the web every morning (after my home page opens). Just so ya know.

There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 16, 2010 1:41 PM EST reply actions  

thank you

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 16, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

sounds like it needs to be your homepage

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 16, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

a clider

There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 16, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

JAIME GARCIA

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 16, 2010 7:45 PM EST up reply actions  

funneh

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 16, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha ha

I know I shouldn’t take delight at others’ misery but this is just too funny.

born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red

by totalloser on Jan 16, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

there's a reason why we call them pond scum

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 16, 2010 8:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Tom, I feel so betrayed.

All those recs were based on lies. Lies!

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Jan 16, 2010 3:11 PM EST reply actions  

Goold tweets

the Cards are doing med research on Wang

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 16, 2010 3:16 PM EST reply actions  

Goold just had to make that tweet with a smile

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 16, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

OH YOU DID NOT JUST GO THERE

ah what the hell. Rec.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 16, 2010 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I want nothing to do with Wang in the rotation

he seems like Mulder V 2.0

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 16, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Imagine...

Carpenter, Holliday, Penny, Motte, Schumaker, AND Wang…

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 16, 2010 6:28 PM EST up reply actions  

FLAGGED!

if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus

by tom s. on Jan 16, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

yea

if he hangs around with tom
sliding will be the least of it
but not better than skippy

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going

by sportsman on Jan 16, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 16, 2010 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

why isn't that green?

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 16, 2010 8:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Now that is what I call good comedy...

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 17, 2010 12:33 AM EST up reply actions  

annnnd green

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 17, 2010 1:41 AM EST up reply actions  

that's what i think about everything i say

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 17, 2010 2:25 AM EST up reply actions  

HEYO!!!

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 17, 2010 12:32 AM EST up reply actions  

This is disheartening.

I don’t really have much interest in a pitcher who got by on smoke-and-mirrors before injuring his shoulder. I’d much, much rather go after Smoltz, a pitcher who has the ability to strike a batter out. Wang hasn’t ever really been able to strike batsmen out and there is little-to-no reason to think that 2010 will be any different. If we sign him to anything more than a minor-league invitation, it will be a poor decision.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 16, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

But Duncan is the perfect coach for Wang

Pineiro(for comparison) struck out 4.5/9 last year and relied on a career high 60.5% GB, and a .46HR/9.
Wang’s career numbers are 60.1%GB and a .55HR/9,if anything Wang could put up a stronger performance in the NL.

I am the Batman

by CodyG on Jan 16, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

What change in approach will Duncan bring to Wang to improve Wang's results?

RB touched on this. Wang won’t be converted to Duncanism because he is already practicing the religion of the groundball than Duncan preaches. Wang already pitches to contact and misses virtually no bats. And he’s not good as a pitcher while doing it. So, why would we spend money and use up big-league roster space on someone who has been somewhat less effective than a batting practice pitcher? What’s more, our last go-around with a sinkerballer coming off of shoulder surgery should add another tinge of caution when looking at Wang. I’m not against giving him a Matt Clement deal. But, that’s about it.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 16, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

what do you mean "he's not good as a pitcher while doing it?"

I like the pre-2009 Wang, he’s not going to be an ace, but if he returns to form he’ll be a three/four starter.Everyone seems to think smoltz is going to throw 200 innings and strike out a ton,but he only pitched 78 innings last year, time he missed from shoulder injuries.

I am the Batman

by CodyG on Jan 16, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I just have no faith in that

he is coming off the shoulder surgery, and ever since his foot issues his mechanics have been awful. If he signs for 1M, he is worth the risk. 4M or so would be putting way too many of our remaining eggs in a really crappy basket.

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 16, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

well if it's mechanics, Duncan can always help.

I believe in Duncan’s abilities, and risking ~$3M-$4M on a one year contract, for a guy who could be worth $10M if he returns seems like a risk we could take.

I am the Batman

by CodyG on Jan 16, 2010 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Smoltz was worth $6.6MM in 78 innings last year.

I’d feel much better about giving him money comparable to what you seem to be willing to give Wang.

I think our disagreement stems from what we feel is a worthwhile gamble on Wang. To me, $3-4MM is far to much for his services. A minor-league invite would be ideal and I think that is about what he deserves. If not that, the most I would guarantee Wang is $2MM. Wang at $2MM guaranteed, I’d stomach.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 16, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

that's the thing

wang won’t accept a minor league invite, because he’s going to be signed somewhere. I could be wrong though I thought signing D.J. Carrasco would be a good Idea, but then he goes and signs with the pirates on a minor league deal.

I am the Batman

by CodyG on Jan 16, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd have been pleased if we had signed Carrasco to a minor league deal.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 16, 2010 6:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Being lucky is quite different from being good.

I like the pre-2009 Wang, too. But I have no faith that he will return to form. None whatsoever. We all saw the wonders Duncan’s work with Mulder did for Mulder’s mechanics post-shoulder injury. Because, don’t forget that Wang had a shoulder injury, too. At least I know Smoltz has pitched injury-free for 78 innings. I would rather bet $5MM on Smoltz, who has proven himself healthy and able to generate swings-and-misses than Wang, who may or may not be healthy, and hasn’t really ever been able to generate swings-and-misses. I think his ERAs have been a little bit too low for his FIPs and his “win” totals have been bolstered by lineups that have consistently been the game’s best supporting him.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 16, 2010 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

his FIP is 3.99

he was really good before he got hurt.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 16, 2010 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

yah

though FIP takes that into account somewhat because his HR rate is (as you’d expect from a good sinkerballer) historically low.

I’d say, if you take neutral HR/FB luck and consider league and park adjustments, healthy Wang = 2009 Joel Pineiro. Similar K/BB rate, 60% GB. I could live with that upside for a $2m risk.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 17, 2010 6:07 AM EST up reply actions  

i think that if smoltz would accept $5mil

we would already have him. or someone would. he’s probably gonna want more than that

R.P.O.F.Y.M.

by BVHeck on Jan 17, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Obviously,

this is the problem. His foot injury and lack of movement wasn’t really the problem, according to the film I’ve watched. The problem is he is tipping when he is going to throw his sinker and opposing batters were keying in on that…

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 16, 2010 5:52 PM EST up reply actions  

ditto, SIGN SMOLTZY

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 16, 2010 8:55 PM EST up reply actions  

They had best do their due dilligence on Wang-

IMHMO, the worst is yet to come for Wang’s shoulder. His previous surgeries were not on the deepest structures of his shoulder joint, and if they only fixed a superficial problem, he could easily drop right back onto the D list.

Even if they do think he’s healthy and they sign him, 1.5M is (i hope) the max he would command.

"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus

by hazel on Jan 17, 2010 1:33 AM EST up reply actions  

News from the Winter Warmup

via the Rains at the Globe-Democrat

Some highlights from the article, from Mo’s talk:

he wants to wait until the arbitration-eligible cases of Ryan Ludwick and Skip Schumaker are settled before he moves on to either signing another reliever, another starting candidate or an extra outfielder

Aww

would prefer to find a pitching candidate with the option of either starting or relieving

duh

Ruled out the possibility that Rick Ankiel might return to the Cardinals

whew

Said there was “no chance” that hitting coach Mark McGwire would be activated so he could serve as a pinch-hitter

aww

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

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by mattyfrommo on Jan 16, 2010 4:34 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks for the link - interesting tidbits

I am relieved to hear about no more Ank. Some on VEB were mildly clamoring for him which worried me. There was also a blurb about Daryl Jones.

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by totalloser on Jan 16, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

hopefully this is not a negotiating ploy Mo is using against Boras

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

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by mattyfrommo on Jan 16, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Arrrrgh

Why did you have to do that? I felt assuaged and now I am worried again. No more AnKKKK, pleaz.

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by totalloser on Jan 16, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't understand the negativity about Ankiel

I think throwing $1 mil his way to try to make the back end of the rotation would be a good thing, since no one is gonna sign him as an everyday CFer, for big bucks. C’mon MO, take a chance!

There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 16, 2010 5:34 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

For me, the negativity comes from:

1. watching Ank flailing blindly at pitches outside the plate
2. Colby had to share time with him because TLR is so darn committed to playing him
I absolutely hope that he regains his form with a low pressure team.

born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red

by totalloser on Jan 16, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

we're not

the only viable right-hander signed elsewhere on a minor league deal. DOH!

(Hopper, btw)

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 16, 2010 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

now that's the kind of Ankiel signing I can get behind!

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

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by mattyfrommo on Jan 16, 2010 6:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Exacty!

Now that he’s older, he’d be the older-vet-type that Duncan could work with on his mechanics. C’mon MO, show some balls!

There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 16, 2010 7:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Because Ankiel the player has some potential,

but Ankiel the story plus TLR’s bleeding heart equals a lot of lefty-lefty and inferior defense overexposure.

"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus

by hazel on Jan 17, 2010 1:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I thought for sure this would be green by the time I got drunk

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

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by mattyfrommo on Jan 17, 2010 2:54 AM EST up reply actions  

It is green

you’re just too drunk to distinguish colors. Oh, the heartbreak! Another poster falls victim to the excess of post-enhancing drinks.

There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 17, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

listen to the interviews in the sidebar.

seems like some mutual love between penny and molina — he specifically cites the presence of a great catcher behind the plate.

yadi in return lauded the arrival of penny and fellow countryman (commonwealthman?) gotay at winter warmups.

if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus

by tom s. on Jan 16, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Gotay and Molina are from Massachusetts?

/kidding.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 16, 2010 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Mutual love sure "beats" the opposite

Can anyone say Lil’ Z and Michael Barrett?

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by totalloser on Jan 16, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

well... wow.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 16, 2010 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm sorry..I don't see them

could somebody please link them?
Thanks

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by RiverRat on Jan 16, 2010 8:21 PM EST up reply actions  

sure

brad penny

molina

boog

jaime and djtools

miller & motte

mo

carp

if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus

by tom s. on Jan 16, 2010 8:36 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Thanks Tom.....

Im an *, Didn’t realize this was the subthread about the globe.

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by RiverRat on Jan 16, 2010 8:38 PM EST up reply actions  

what a waste of a mo interview

i was kind of hoping to hear at least, i dunno, one question that wasn’t about our f’ing hitting coach. even if it’s “old news” like holliday, they could have at least discussed the 2010 cardinals in brief

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 16, 2010 11:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for these

Listening to baseball interviews = raucous Saturday night, oh yeah.

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 17, 2010 1:47 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah, the original went out of business in the mid 80's, right?

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

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by mattyfrommo on Jan 16, 2010 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

then there was the tabloid-style st. louis sun which lasted for like a week?

anybody remember that?

if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus

by tom s. on Jan 16, 2010 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Didn't Bernie...

make the ill-fated switch? He’s lucky the PD took him back.

Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word

by guayzimi on Jan 16, 2010 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

sometimes strange things happen when you google.

a blast from VEB past.

if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus

by tom s. on Jan 16, 2010 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

2 comments, really?

I am disappointed in the old veb guard. You people could have done so much more with that pure comedy gold!!

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

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by mattyfrommo on Jan 16, 2010 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the blog...

was created that week.

Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word

by guayzimi on Jan 16, 2010 6:49 PM EST up reply actions  

oh, well you under 100 UIDers are forgiven

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

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by mattyfrommo on Jan 16, 2010 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Hilarious.

Man, I laughed harder than I have in some time. That was priceless. Thanks for bringing that to our attention, Tom.

by ArkansasTravs on Jan 17, 2010 10:02 PM EST up reply actions  

this is not happy news

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

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by mattyfrommo on Jan 16, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

he has time

also, Booooooooog.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 16, 2010 7:47 PM EST up reply actions  

oh well then pardon me

but i hope Booooooooooooooog (enough?) doesn’t grow that thing again. or if he does, i hope he finds a barber to help. or ron jeremy, whichever

by d-dee on Jan 16, 2010 11:39 PM EST up reply actions  

well why shave it?

by april he would of had a full handlebar mustache

I am the Batman

by CodyG on Jan 17, 2010 12:00 AM EST up reply actions  

now that i'm looking at the pictures i took

he’s got a little soul patch (is that what it’s called?) like carp
looks nice

by d-dee on Jan 17, 2010 12:06 AM EST up reply actions  

he almost had it for the NLDS

then we saw what happened

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 17, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Anybody else take the under on the Cards-Saints?

[drinks]

Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word

by guayzimi on Jan 16, 2010 4:50 PM EST reply actions  

56.5

A big number… and both teams have been decent against the pass.

Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word

by guayzimi on Jan 16, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

The Saints' pass defense is ranked 26th in the NFL.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 16, 2010 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

9th by DVOA

teams racked up the yards because they were behind early.

Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word

by guayzimi on Jan 16, 2010 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

why would you do that?

I would have took the over even if it was 70 points.

by Evilfrog on Jan 16, 2010 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Well...

I think you’re seeing how the Cardinals can be contained. The Saints have been no great shakes of late, but obviously you’re right.

Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word

by guayzimi on Jan 16, 2010 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Not to belabor this...

but if the Saints are held to a garbage time FG instead of a TD, the under wins.

Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word

by guayzimi on Jan 16, 2010 7:32 PM EST up reply actions  

FYI 2006 world series is on MLB tv

just finished game 2, game 3 is on now. Carpenter is a machine.

it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie

by SleepyCA on Jan 16, 2010 6:29 PM EST reply actions  

hate MLB for not letting your cable provider offer it

and Dish Network. greedy stupid fucking bastards

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 16, 2010 8:59 PM EST up reply actions  

OK

stupid MLB Network, why can’t you be more like NBC?

I am the Batman

by CodyG on Jan 16, 2010 9:01 PM EST up reply actions  

so incompetent nobody watches them anymore?

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 16, 2010 9:05 PM EST up reply actions  

When will they show the '06 NLCS?

This series has been seriously slighted. We don’t get all seven games in the ’06 World Series champs DVD, and the games are rarely on MLB TV.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 16, 2010 6:32 PM EST up reply actions  

and the 2004 NLCS was even better.

I’d LOVE to see that again.

it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie

by SleepyCA on Jan 16, 2010 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

The Rolen home run off Clemens is an underrated moment

Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word

by guayzimi on Jan 16, 2010 7:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I was living in Los Angeles at the time

I was watching the game at a Red Robin and when Rolen hit that home run, I stood up and yelled wildly… and the whole restaurant looked at me. Totally worth it.

by Mulliganstew on Jan 16, 2010 11:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I really wish that MLB

would put great homeruns like that for sale at iTunes or something. I would buy a ton of them and watch them whenever I needed a pick me up.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 17, 2010 12:36 AM EST up reply actions  

The 04 NLCS

was probably the series of baseball I am most emotionally attached to. At the time, my brother was very sick (his appendix burst). He is as big a Cards fan as I am and refused to miss game 7, to which we had tickets. So we went as a family (even though he was in a wheelchair) and I’ve never heard the stadium get louder than that magical evening. And my brother, who could barely speak, cheered as hard as anyone else.

by purple_haze on Jan 16, 2010 9:20 PM EST up reply actions  

wheee!

Zumyia just threw the ball away at 3rd allowing 2 runs to score.

by DarkHelmut on Jan 16, 2010 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

hit it to the pitcher

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 16, 2010 7:49 PM EST up reply actions  

watching that now actually

I complete forgot Preston Wilson even existed, but less played for that World Series winning team!

by DarkHelmut on Jan 16, 2010 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

sweet!

Just saw myself in the stands, 3rd base side, way up top. I’m famous! :-)

by DarkHelmut on Jan 16, 2010 8:03 PM EST up reply actions  

pirates sign donnelly to a $1.5m contract, goes up to $3m total with incentives.

that’s a chunk to drop on a not-great reliever, especially if they want to take on dotel too.

if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus

by tom s. on Jan 16, 2010 6:46 PM EST reply actions  

yeah

I think this is a fair indication that the Cardinals will not be in on a name reliever, even Calero, if they aren’t willing to foot a million-plus bill. I hear Eric Gagne’s waiting by the phone…

by DanUpBaby on Jan 16, 2010 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

that's the Pirates for ya!

hasn’t he been completely meh-ish for a few years now?

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

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by mattyfrommo on Jan 16, 2010 6:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I will reserve judgement on that

I just don’t understand this signing at all

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

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by mattyfrommo on Jan 16, 2010 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Well it's a 1.5 million dollar contract

There’s nothing special about it, but it’s not like it makes a difference at all. Maybe they just wanted some depth?

by vivaelpujols on Jan 16, 2010 7:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Nothing the Pirates do makes a difference.

They’ve been irrelevant as long as some members of this blog have literally been alive.

by Mister Eff on Jan 16, 2010 7:20 PM EST up reply actions  

They've done a good job...

as the Cubs AAA team.

Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word

by guayzimi on Jan 16, 2010 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Think you missed an A there...

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 17, 2010 12:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Bear in mind, at least

that prior to this signing, the Pirates’ presumptive CLOSER is probably Sean Burnett, who put up a -0.1 WAR last year, or Joel Hanrahan, who has, over his career so far, walked more than FIVE hitters per nine innings. Their bullpen is all shades of embarassing.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 17, 2010 6:17 AM EST up reply actions  

And, to be fair to Donnelly, he's probably as good in the late-inning ROOGY role as Russ Springer

who keeps getting $3-4m deals into his 40s. Donnelly has a much longer track-record of success as well; Springer’s really only come into his own in the last few years as his exposure to LHB has been minimised.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 17, 2010 6:20 AM EST up reply actions  

that's a weird one

seems a lot, given they got carrasco (who’s probably better) for the league minimum. Kinda hard to see what Huntington’s doing here, although there is something to be said for at least trying to put a non-embarassing team on the field, and their bullpen (with no additions from last year and the loss of Grabow and Capps, basically their only two above-replacement level relievers) was shaping up to be HISTORICALLY appalling. I suppose they can always try to dump Donnelly & Dotel around the deadline for C/B prospects, which kinda works.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 17, 2010 6:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Boog's plan for next year: Hit more like Albert
“He [McGwire] is trying to put me in a position to hit the ball better and be more consistent,” Ryan said. “I battle changing my stance every week. So the first thing was, let’s find a batting stance and let’s stick with that. the funny thing is, I had a hard time finding out who I am. So I just kind of started doing what Albert did, and I started taking good swings. so I’m going to hit like Albert this year, at least batting stance-wise. I’m going to try. That’s what we’ve been doing. It feels good. he’s got a pretty darn good swing obviously. If I can do an impersonation of that and fall just short, then I should have a pretty good swing too.”

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

Resident malcontented betamale

by slu on Jan 16, 2010 6:48 PM EST reply actions  

here’s the link

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

Resident malcontented betamale

by slu on Jan 16, 2010 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

You do that, Boog

Maybe in a few years we’ll look back on today as the day Boog became the best hitting short stop in the league.

Probably not, but it’d be cool.

by Mulliganstew on Jan 16, 2010 6:53 PM EST up reply actions  

for the record

heeding albert’s hitting advice has improved my wiffleball hitting ability by a factor of 5 pujollion

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

Resident malcontented betamale

by slu on Jan 16, 2010 6:55 PM EST up reply actions  

speaking of hitting

does anyone on VEB even play baseball still or ever?

I am the Batman

by CodyG on Jan 16, 2010 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

none of us ever played past little league

haven’t you been paying attention?

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

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by mattyfrommo on Jan 16, 2010 7:00 PM EST up reply actions  

you have to leave VEB now Cody,

it is in the terms of use

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by mattyfrommo on Jan 16, 2010 7:04 PM EST up reply actions  

WHAAA

I was talking about vidya games.

I am the Batman

by CodyG on Jan 16, 2010 7:05 PM EST up reply actions  

i play wiffleball and stickball regularly during the summer

just waiting until it’s socially acceptable for me to join a beer league.

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

Resident malcontented betamale

by slu on Jan 16, 2010 7:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Fastball with age group 16-19

i plan on playing in the adult league this summer as well.

I am the Batman

by CodyG on Jan 16, 2010 7:07 PM EST up reply actions  

no,

but once i graduate and have a consistent work schedule i plan to join a league and play

i was always pretty good. i wish i hadn’t decided in high school that partying was more important

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 16, 2010 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

The last time I played baseball

was in 1972, I think. The last time I played softball was in 1999, just before I broke my hand diving for a line drive.

There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 16, 2010 7:44 PM EST up reply actions  

i can't even remember the last time i swung a bat

it’s probably pushing 10 years. fml

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 16, 2010 9:01 PM EST up reply actions  

i used to go to the cages fairly often

before i moved. been meaning to find some good cages near to my house so i can pick it back up

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 16, 2010 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I played in high school, a long time ago

but tore up a shoulder and wasn’t able to continue post-graduation. Softball just isn’t the same.

by StanTheManFan on Jan 16, 2010 11:12 PM EST up reply actions  

you are all a bunch of LIARS

everyone knows us VEB’ers never played past LL. You people really need to quit making this crap up.

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

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by mattyfrommo on Jan 16, 2010 11:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I was being scouted until I had my knee blow out

thanks for bringing that horrible memory back.

I am the Batman

by CodyG on Jan 16, 2010 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

the Rockies & DBacks were scouting a kid on our high school team

and a kid we were playing against. our coachs didn’t tell us they were there until the next day after practice. they said the scouts told them no one had MLB talent, but i was the only one there who had the heart & determination to make it to the MLB. i’ll never forget that.

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 16, 2010 11:52 PM EST up reply actions  

true story, i crap you not

i just wish i had it in writing so people believe me

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 17, 2010 12:07 AM EST up reply actions  

i'm telling you, it's true. i wouldn't lie about this

honestly, what does it get me on VEB? two low level scouts liked my style back in 95. VEB collectively goes, yippee skippee for gdm

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 17, 2010 12:30 AM EST up reply actions  

I saw it

and thought it was 3 different people…lol

I = Oblivious

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jan 17, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

a woman ate it

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 17, 2010 1:42 AM EST up reply actions  

nope

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 17, 2010 2:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Hey now,

I played American Legion ball. Not well, but I played. (the opposite of Cody, apparently, good glove, no hit.)

by ArkansasTravs on Jan 17, 2010 10:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I played through college

Probably gonna find a men’s league out here in San Francisco to join at some point. Shoulder could use some strengthening first, though.

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 17, 2010 12:21 AM EST up reply actions  

I have never played competitive baseball or softball in my life

I used to play cricket and basketball, and have played volleyball for about 12 years; I play at a (low) national level in England now. In fact, there’s a little bit of me playing on this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYOft0-8HBk

I play through the middle for this team. Somewhat off-topic but there ya go.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 17, 2010 6:23 AM EST up reply actions  

he _does_ want that Gold Glove.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 16, 2010 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

haha

i can’t wait to see boog stepping up to the plate with albert’s batting stance

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 16, 2010 7:40 PM EST up reply actions  

screw that, I wanna see the impersonation!

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 16, 2010 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

This is the best thing in here:
* Jason Motte feels he’s finally found an offspeed pitch he can rely on — two of them, actually.

* is an Asshat

by RiverRat on Jan 16, 2010 8:27 PM EST up reply actions  

WOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 16, 2010 9:02 PM EST up reply actions  

no goggles, no goggles!!!

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 17, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I like the goggles.

They remind me of Ricky “Wild Thing” Vaughn, which is never a bad thing, especially when the Cards play the Indians in inter-league play and they wear 1988 throwback uniforms to commemorate the release of “Major League.”

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 17, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

were you here for the goggles / no-goggles split?

Motte settled down once he… couldn’t see. The goggles were restricting his crazy. He denied that made a difference, but he got a piece of his 08 scariness back.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 17, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Up and at them!

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jan 18, 2010 9:12 AM EST up reply actions  

that is just freaking awesome

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 16, 2010 9:02 PM EST up reply actions  

rotoworld

Is stating that Mo has talked to Smotlz’s people. Wohoo!

by Evilfrog on Jan 16, 2010 7:02 PM EST reply actions  

I can't find anything I don't like about that!

even though my head says there’s probably better options, my heart says GOGOGO!

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 17, 2010 6:25 AM EST up reply actions  

so taguchi returns to japan with the orix new wave.

so long, buddy. i really hope he and his wife are happy in japan, and that they leave with fond memories of america and st. louis.

even if his resigning with orix is just a victory lap of the japanese league, that’s great for him. he’s had a nice career.

if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus

by tom s. on Jan 16, 2010 8:05 PM EST reply actions  

*orix blue wave

if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus

by tom s. on Jan 16, 2010 8:06 PM EST up reply actions  

the orix new wave would have made for much more awesome unis

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 16, 2010 8:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Aaaaactually

The Orix team is the Buffaloes now. The Blue Wave and the Kintetsu Buffaloes merged in 2004.

I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.

by The Continental on Jan 16, 2010 8:29 PM EST up reply actions  

But good for So. Glad he caught on there for a last hurrah.

I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.

by The Continental on Jan 16, 2010 8:30 PM EST up reply actions  

It would be so much sweeter if some of our teams decided to merge in America

Imagine the Cardinals absorbing the Royals… and the top 3 of Carp, Wainer, and Grienke…

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 17, 2010 12:40 AM EST up reply actions  

these ideas are dangerous

the yankees will absorb the entire east coast

by d-dee on Jan 17, 2010 12:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't need people pointing out flaws in my logic

Makes me look bad and I do a good enough job of doing that myself.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 17, 2010 1:11 AM EST up reply actions  

wah wah wah

just thinking out loud..

besides, if the ny team were to also absorb the cubs (and the white sox, might as well while in chicago), the added suckiness will even things out and baseball will finally be fair

by d-dee on Jan 17, 2010 1:56 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd be pretty happy in a world in which the Cubs went bye-bye

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 17, 2010 2:58 AM EST up reply actions  

hahaha

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 17, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Sweet

A buddy signed with the Ham Fighters. Hopefully he’ll get to play against him.

by Mister Eff on Jan 16, 2010 9:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Great story...

He was such a huge bust… the way he went to work and made himself useful was pretty impressive.

Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word

by guayzimi on Jan 16, 2010 9:14 PM EST up reply actions  

So was a bust?

I never expected much of him. Was he hyped up or something?

by Mister Eff on Jan 16, 2010 9:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think so,

but he was just so overmatched when he first came up. He worked his ass off to get back to the majors.

I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.

by The Continental on Jan 16, 2010 9:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess at the time...

handing him $3 million guaranteed seemed to indicate that he was good enough to be a starter or at least a solid 4th outfielder. Not Ichiro or anything…

Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word

by guayzimi on Jan 16, 2010 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah...

and he was laughably bad when he first arrived.

Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word

by guayzimi on Jan 16, 2010 9:24 PM EST up reply actions  

amazing how buff he was, even then.

I always thought he was a beanpole early in his career, but watching him bat earlier I was surprised by how huge his chest/biceps were, even in 1989.

it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie

by SleepyCA on Jan 16, 2010 9:11 PM EST up reply actions  

The real difference between pre-roid Barry and post-roid Barry

is his core and shoulder strength, which allowed him to keep his great bat-speed while being able to rotate with greater power. You could say the same for pre-weight training and post-weight training Tiger Woods as well.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 18, 2010 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

over now

but he sounded downright Canadian answering the Cat’s questions

by DarkHelmut on Jan 16, 2010 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

nothing informative

Just the usual
…enjoying the winter warmum
…started working out in October, only took a few weeks off
…feels good and ready to go

by DarkHelmut on Jan 16, 2010 9:17 PM EST up reply actions  

thanks for the mini liveblog

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 17, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

one month till pitchers and catchers report.

if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus

by tom s. on Jan 16, 2010 9:24 PM EST up reply actions  

tom i for one don't care how drunk you were/are blogging

just please no more pics of your navel. maybe mix in some head shots, over the shoulder shots, or shots from behind. but i don’t think i’ll ever get the image of that black lint out of my mind. there are some things you just can’t unsee.

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 16, 2010 9:26 PM EST reply actions  

ha! don't tell me what to do!

if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus

by tom s. on Jan 16, 2010 9:29 PM EST up reply actions  

nice,,,,,oranges

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 16, 2010 11:53 PM EST up reply actions  

i more of a fan of

peaches

Some people have their own bowling ball and their own bowling shoes and no friends.
You must be the change you wish to see in the world.

by jacksonian on Jan 17, 2010 1:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Such a great band...

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 17, 2010 1:11 AM EST up reply actions  

also...

you may want to be on the lookout for ninjas while enjoying peaches…

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 17, 2010 1:15 AM EST up reply actions  

A Public Service Announcement

brought to you by ducttape16 and the AdCouncil.

Some people have their own bowling ball and their own bowling shoes and no friends.
You must be the change you wish to see in the world.

by jacksonian on Jan 17, 2010 1:48 AM EST up reply actions  

i cannot believe that

someone researched all the art of peaches and put it to that song…

This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers

by punchinjudy on Jan 17, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Wainer is talking about the players campaigning for Matt!

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 17, 2010 11:40 AM EST reply actions  

THE PIE EFFIN WORKS.

Adam named him and Skip, and perhaps there were more.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 17, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm confused.

They campaigned on Holliday’s part to ownership? Or, they campaigned on the club’s behalf to Holliday?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 17, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

they were talking up St. Louis to Matt

there is no club. there is only pie.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 17, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

where was this?

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 17, 2010 6:04 PM EST up reply actions  

dang, I missed it all

they were talking about food. now I’m hungry.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 17, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

bastards probably still in line at Pappy's

bastards
/needless name-calling!

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 17, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Luddy has

Hair-wick!

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 17, 2010 12:45 PM EST reply actions  

well I for one am glad

their idea of fun is to break out the hair clippers and be like Albert
it could be worse

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 17, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Big Mac:

Kids….steroids are bad. I could only picture this:

* is an Asshat

by RiverRat on Jan 17, 2010 2:17 PM EST reply actions  

the household has been taken over by handegg

let us know if there are any handpuppets

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 17, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

You're missing quite the ridiculousness on twitter

describing the winter warmup:

JohnMarecek I’ve never seen the ballroom packed like this. #wwu http://twitpic.com/yj5hx
JohnMarecek Kindergarten storytime has broken out in front of the main stage #wwu http://twitpic.com/yj6f1
MatthewHLeach Have officially reached the point where all I can do is laugh at the madness. #wwu
MatthewHLeach Our vantage point. Scribes are seated cross-legged on the floor in front of the stage, awaiting McGwire. http://twitpic.com/yj6zd
JohnMarecek A rock concert has broken out at the Winter Warm Up
MatthewHLeach Absolute frenzy. A 1-minute ovation. http://twitpic.com/yj7z7
MatthewHLeach They played the intro to ‘Welcome To The Jungle’ as McGwire took the stage. #ThingsYouCouldntMakeUp
MatthewHLeach Mac signing. ‘Welcome To The Jungle’ playing again. http://twitpic.com/yj9eh

by Mister Eff on Jan 17, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

remember

some of these people start the Wave.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 17, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I have to admit.....

hearing Welcome to the Jungle……..followed by Mark McGwire still raised a couple of goosebumps.

* is an Asshat

by RiverRat on Jan 17, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

lesee...
dgoold A year after he joked about hitting 50 homers, Ludwick had a new goal: “I want to hit one.” #stlcards #wwu
BJRains David Freese talked for more than twice as long as McGwire did to the media…

man, there is a lot of information overload coming through every outlet. I hope somebody’s keeping up, ‘cause it ain’t me.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 17, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

is GoElBirdos the ex-Viva ?
GoElBirdos McGwire seemed pretty bothered in his first interaction with the mass media.

whoever he is, he can’t spell ‘imminent’

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 17, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh my
JohnMarecek Some women just got their picture taken with Skip Schumaker holding a jar of Skippy Peanut Butter. #ThingsYouCouldntMakeUp #wwu

by Mister Eff on Jan 17, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

hfs ®

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 18, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm watching Game 4 of 2006 WS

I have a good feeling about this game…

Don't ping my cheese with your bandwidth.

by RosevilleRedbird on Jan 17, 2010 2:24 PM EST reply actions  

he taught himself to write with other hand

among other things

/tale-telling

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 17, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I noticed that in a photo yesterday.

It’s kinda weird, but if he’s had many surgeries on his right arm. With all that healing time, you’d probably have to learn to do many things with your non-dominant hand.

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Jan 17, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Indeed.

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Jan 17, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

like...

cooking?

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 17, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Kind of like that.

Cooking is another thing that is fine by yourself but better with a partner.

by Mister Eff on Jan 17, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

we're talking about pasta, right?

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 17, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

what kind of noodles?

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 17, 2010 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

He doesn't so much..

as scratch his ass with his right hand. Right hand is for pitching, left hand is for everything else in life. I remember a guy sliced off part of his pinky chopping onions and he never came back.

Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word

by guayzimi on Jan 17, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

if he were slicing

with his left hand, it’d be a lot easier to cut his right hand

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 17, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

[ill]

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 17, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

?

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 17, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

youtube'd

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUbWjIKxrrs

though they could use a shamwow too

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 17, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I do some stuff with my left hand

Broke my right (throwing/writing) wrist, and, well, one must adapt.

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 17, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

under

over/under past at all today?

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 17, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

they better have some Pappy's for everybody, that's all I'm sayin'.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 17, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

big FOX is horrific with handegg

would it kill them to show a replay after a huge play?

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 17, 2010 3:43 PM EST reply actions  

yeah

I like CBS better, and it’s not that they are amazing, it’s just fox isn’t very good

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 17, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

the regional Fox guys are a lot better

I like our Guys in the Truck.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 17, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Buck is terrible and getting worse...

They roasted Childress at the half… I thought he played it perfect – went for it, but didn’t give the other team enough time to do anything.

Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word

by guayzimi on Jan 17, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

now Favre/Rice are just toying with them. haha.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 17, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Was anyone at the winter warm up?

How long was Jack Clark booed?

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 17, 2010 4:15 PM EST reply actions  

thank you, cards' fans

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 17, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

haha, he brought it on himself

was Al there? he should have gotten booed too

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 17, 2010 6:09 PM EST up reply actions  

tidbits

He will get the ball every single time there is a save situation and his body is much more ready to handle the effects of a full season

Franklin goes on to say he has never been more tired in his entire life this offseason based on the work that he went through in 2009…and cannot wait to get this year going based on the way the season ended.

Awesome, cuz there is nothing like having a 37 year old closer getting over-worked and tiring down the stretch.

This can’t be true, I don’t have enough funds for all the liquor this will require me to need to get through the season!

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 17, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Franklin memes

I liked the Franklin meme of booze being called a Franklin. Because it is less about Franklin and more about my closer forcing me to drink. “Franklin Sucks” meme was the worst.

by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 17, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

a franklin was a drink

long before franklin himself was the closer. But I agree, I hat ethe “x sucks” kind of stuff.

it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie

by SleepyCA on Jan 17, 2010 9:00 PM EST up reply actions  

that scares me

so how is Franklin going to be “much more ready” after being “never more tired in his entire life”? maximum suspense for the 9th inning!

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 17, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the point was that he's training hard this offseason

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 17, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

best shape of his life?

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

Resident malcontented betamale

by slu on Jan 17, 2010 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Mo needs to stop shooting the breeze with Frankie

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 17, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

This is a brilliant plan...

1. Give him the closer job when Motte fails
2. Trade our reliever of the future
3. Extend him for no apparent reason
4. Don’t bother to sign a backup option
5. Guarantee him the ninth for the entire season
6. Stick with him regardless of results
7. Lose!

Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word

by guayzimi on Jan 17, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

no profit?

I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going

by sportsman on Jan 17, 2010 10:28 PM EST up reply actions  

We still have relievers of the future

Motte,Sanchez,Samuel,Salas,Boggs could all be closers someday.

I am the Batman

by CodyG on Jan 17, 2010 10:31 PM EST up reply actions  

He will get the ball every single time there is a save situation and his body is much more ready to handle the effects of a full season

Unfortunately, his shitty pitching is no more ready to handle the effects of having to get major league hitters out. So there’s that.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 18, 2010 5:44 AM EST up reply actions  

OTOH

If the money gets spent on the back end of the rotation, that means that Boggs will probably move to the bullpen where he could be very effective. Hopefully Motte will be better this season and back to throwing lots of 98-99 mph strikes as well. Couple that with the hope the Sanchez could be ready for the Show after the ASB, and we might not need another reliever.

Also, hopefully we can get Frankie’s appearances down a bit by scoring some more effing runs this season.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 18, 2010 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I just have to say thanks for bringing my sanity back

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 18, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Matty also has to say thanks for bringing his salinity back

(/semi-sophisticated fellatio gag)

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 18, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I was thinking that the bullpen was the area that should be concentrated on

I wonder if they are done or are looking for a 5th starter? other than that only branyan and lopez look interesting

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 17, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

They have to sign another starter...

It would be madness to go into the season with what we have right now.

Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word

by guayzimi on Jan 17, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

SMOLTZY, SHEETS & KIKO. they can do it, they just don't want to

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 17, 2010 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

oh for fucks sake

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 17, 2010 6:10 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

oh my god...

thats was soooooooooo hilarious *email all – send

patiently awaiting Tosh.0 Web Redemption

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 17, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Facebooked. Tweeted. Myspaced. Emailed.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Jan 17, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

HFS

®

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 17, 2010 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

McGwire presser link

from BJ Rains twitter

Audio from McGwire’s short press conference today at the Winter Warm-Up | St. Louis Globe-Democrat:<

http://bit.ly/8SuqPo

by ubeddie on Jan 17, 2010 5:34 PM EST reply actions  

you know how I know the g-d is better than the p-d?

they have no f’in forums!

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 17, 2010 7:11 PM EST up reply actions  

ANNNNNDDDD....

yes they do.

Now I haven’t ventured in there….so I have no idea how good or bad they may be.

* is an Asshat

by RiverRat on Jan 17, 2010 7:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I just noticed that

damn, I could not even be happy for 5 f’in minutes!

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 17, 2010 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

and they seem to be just as crazy as the P-D one

yeah, the G-D sucks too, but at least they are doing some fine baseball reporting

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 17, 2010 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm not reading the gd

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 17, 2010 7:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Blue Moon eh?

I’ll have to look for that.

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 17, 2010 7:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Game 5 of 2006 WS

is about to be closed out on MLB, if anyone is not watching handegg.

* is an Asshat

by RiverRat on Jan 17, 2010 6:13 PM EST reply actions  

thanks!

much better than hand-egg halftime show.

by DarkHelmut on Jan 17, 2010 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Um

Hawksworth writes a blog (and someone named “waino” writes there, too) analyzing scripture passages. How did I not know this?

by Mister Eff on Jan 17, 2010 6:14 PM EST reply actions  

oh good, so you missed that one that was all about you.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 18, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

is this the Globe-Democrat blog

and where is the link?

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 17, 2010 7:13 PM EST up reply actions  

damn it, I can't find the damn waino stuff

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 17, 2010 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

you guys realize that 90% of the players with online presence

are blogging about Bible study, right? I wasn’t really joking…

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 18, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

ST tickets are on sale

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 17, 2010 6:50 PM EST reply actions  

Holliday quit taking suppliments all together

Only taking the occasional protein shake now. Anything else just isn’t worth the risk.

Best part is the comments, where the first commenter calls baseball writers fat slobs, and dgoold takes offense to being called fat.

by DarkHelmut on Jan 17, 2010 7:05 PM EST reply actions  

haha

goold rocks

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 17, 2010 7:08 PM EST up reply actions  

yes please

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 17, 2010 10:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Same.

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Jan 17, 2010 10:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Swearing violently and using sexually explicit imagery is part of who I am.

But I’m trying very hard not to subject the veb community to that particular aspect of my personality out of deference to community norms.

by peach concrete on Jan 17, 2010 10:52 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I feel your pain

and…someone needs to take Cody out to the woodshed for these damn bacon pics

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 17, 2010 11:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice ref to

Cold Comfort Farm. Yes, I am a man, a manly man. But I prefer romantic comedies, slight English films (into which category this one falls), and films with Gwynneth Paltrow, Kate Beckinsale, Nicole Kidman or Kate Winslet.

There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 17, 2010 11:11 PM EST up reply actions  

i don't think anyone would mind if you did that

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 17, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions  

try coming up with some new ones

and remember to moderate them dude

moderation is the key to life

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 18, 2010 12:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Amen to that

Enough with the fucking bacon. It’s not funny, it’s not clever, and we’re not even seeing pictures for the first time anymore. It’s run it’s course, now it’s just spam. Please stop.

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 18, 2010 2:42 AM EST up reply actions  

You clearly can't take a hint

or a massive fanpost from one of the moderators with over 400 posts in it saying “STOP POSTING PICTURES OF BACON, IN PARTICULAR THE ONE WITH THE BACON GUN”. I don’t really see how it can get much more explicit than that.

And I LIKE bacon.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 18, 2010 5:52 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Dude, there is an "off-topic and other stuff" thread in the current fanposts list

we REALLY need to post this sort of stuff over there. I have no problem with random conversations and stupid gifs (in fact, I LIKE both aspects of the site) but we really need to try to stick to baseball and (at least) baseball-based memes/crap in the main threads. Pretty-please?

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 18, 2010 5:54 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Leach up with a new post...

http://yourenotagolfer.mlblogs.com/archives/2010/01/sunday_warm-up_tidbits_schumak.html?partnerId=rss_stl

Skip avoiding a hearing

Holliday going clean

Rasmus getting fit

Freese getting chiseled, when he’s not getting hammered

How bout dem Jets? You’re the guy who violently detests handegg, right?

Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word

by guayzimi on Jan 17, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

well I am shocked how well shonn greene is doing

it’s sucks though that he left Iowa last year, we would have been so much better with him.

I am the Batman

by CodyG on Jan 17, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Now you're getting into it...

I knew you liked handegg after all.

I actually don’t want to talk about it though. I went under on NO-Arizona and over on SD-NY.

Stay away from the over-unders. It’s like insurance in blackjack – everyone knows this, but I still get sucked in.

Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word

by guayzimi on Jan 17, 2010 11:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok well let's hope skip signs away all his arb years for something like 3M/per.

Then we can cross our fingers that he learns power from Big Mac and improves defensively.

I am the Batman

by CodyG on Jan 17, 2010 11:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank God

The Colts can’t beat the Chargers to save their life. Im sure Peyton would like some payback :)

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jan 18, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

come on dude, you gotta use some restraint man

please don’t ruin it for everyone

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 18, 2010 12:00 AM EST up reply actions  

lmao, too funny

Tim

by Tim63650 on Jan 18, 2010 3:10 AM EST up reply actions  

For all you insomniacs

Games 3,4, and 5 of the 06 WS are on again from now until the wee hours of the morning to pull you through the night.

You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all.
-- Earl Weaver

by Smokin Turkeys on Jan 17, 2010 11:36 PM EST reply actions  

man, i am really ready for some baseball

a month and a half until the first ST game

i hope are more games on mlb.tv than last year

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 18, 2010 1:35 AM EST reply actions  

The Roids

Now with Big Mac finally admitting what we all knew, just waiting for the comformation on it, whats next? I love Big Mac, and he made baseball enjoyable once again. But seeing that he juiced up for the faithful summer, whats next? People need to probe the white Sammy Sosa now. I know his confession more than likely ruined his chance completly for the HOF, but its out in the open now. I am upset that the year I get back in baseball, was a “fake year” and I sadly agree with the Marris family when they say they want the 61 homer year to stand. That was legit, juice free baseball. So I wish Big Mac the best this year, but with his image offically tarnished, good luck getting any player to take you seriously.

Tim

by Tim63650 on Jan 18, 2010 3:09 AM EST reply actions  

Who exactly is

the “white” Sammy Sosa? Are you talking about McGwire? Because it seems like that’s all the press has been doing this past week, “probing” him. Also, if you don’t know how to spell Roger Maris’ last name, I’m not sure I can subject myself to any more of your posts.

There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK

by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 18, 2010 7:03 PM EST up reply actions  

HA! Great photoshop job

did vexedtechie help you with that???

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 19, 2010 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

that's real monk.

I shit you, not.

* is an Asshat
Also, Dave Concepcion.

by RiverRat on Jan 19, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

entirely real.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 20, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Mmmm the Jimmy Edmonds comeback

Actually, I really would like to give him at least a roster invite if not more. If not only to mentor Colby in the ways of clutch and eye-grabbing catches.

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jan 18, 2010 1:47 PM EST reply actions  

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