a confession; and problems of value
now that the new year is upon us, i have the chance to do something i wanted to do five weeks ago.
i never knew when, but i always knew this day would come. it's time for me to talk about the past and to confirm what people have suspected. i used to drink alcohol during the composition of my blog posts in november and december of 2009 and I apologize. i remember trying to write after three glasses of wine or, in the holiday season, a glass of store-bought eggnog heavily spiked with rum.
i wish i had never touched any post-enhancing drinks (PEDs). it was foolish and it was a mistake. i truly apologize. looking back, i wish i had never posted during the drunk-blogging era.
i'm sure people will wonder if i would have written in the same way if i hadn't blogged while half in the bag. i had good posts i wrote sober and bad posts i wrote drunk. but no matter what, i should have just said no, like nancy reagan and gary coleman used to tell me in very special episodes of "diff'rent strokes."
blogging is really different now. sbnation has cleaned the place up a lot. i now have to blow into a little straw attached to the usb port of my laptop to post at all. if that thing doesn't read 0.05 or less, i get automatically redirected to the p-d forums. they've shown me some tough love, and i'm glad they did.
after all this time, i want to come clean. i was not in a position to do that five weeks ago in response to probing questions about why whole lines of text appeared as gibberish or why i led my december 19th post with what appeared to be a low-resolution camera phone picture of my own navel, but i now feel an obligation to discuss this and answer questions about it. i'll do that, and then i just want to help this blog make the internet a happier, nerdier place.
right after this glass of port.
while the offseason of 2009-2010 is not yet over, we've seen enough of it to have some sense of its measure. most recently, matt holliday just blew the hot stove up. among its smoldering embers, the one that burns the hottest at the moment seems to be . . . joel pineiro. the dodgers and the mets are both taking careful looks at him. anybody who said in january of 2009 that joel pineiro would be the free agent starting pitcher in third or fourth greatest demand after lackey and wolf and maybe harden, step right up.
something which has driven me crazy this off-season is the bizarre treatment of some arbitration-eligible free agents. a first, and easy, objection to the free agency-arbitration system is that the elias rankings were dated when they came out and haven't aged well, misprizing defense being the most obvious defect, which leaves mike cameron a type B and jermaine dye a type A. more thought has been put in by some good sabermetricians on the value of an individual draft pick -- for instance, here and also, newly published, here. nate silver wrote the seminal article on the topic several years ago before he started writing about boring things like the electoral college and teabags and health care, but it's for paying readers only [insert greedy sabermetrician joke here].
my concern this year has focused around the failure to offer arbitration to some obviously appropriate candidates for arbitration. some type A free agents are so obviously valuable that offering arbitration is risk-free (holliday, bay, lackey). some type A free agents are clearly on the decline or prone to injury such that an offer of arbitration would be immediately accepted and would cost the club substantially more in arbitration than on the free market (troy glaus, jermaine dye, etc.). a third group, which presents unique challenges, are relievers; apart from "closers" (i am tempted to continue to place the word "closer" in quotes just because i think i hate it), even good relievers are worth less than the value of a first- (or second-, for teams with protected picks) round pick (see octavio dotel, darren oliver). last is a group of what tends to be infielders without the eye-popping slugging values of the matt hollidays of the world, but with solid offensive production; this year, the group featured orlando hudson, orlando cabrera, and placido polanco.
of the first group, the only person who clearly fits the first category who was denied arbitration was randy wolf. what a terrible decision by the dodgers, their financial situation notwithstanding. what was the real risk? first, he was almost certain to decline arb, knowing that offers like the one he got for multiple years and eight figures would await. second, even if he accepted, the dodgers would have had a second tier pitcher on their hands on a one-year deal at about his market value. given that they are now looking at rotation help (like the esteemed mr. pineiro), they could, you know, have let him pitch. or, if money was really that tight, they could have traded him after the arbitration process.
the second group had few surprises. the only player who may have arguably gotten unfairly lumped in here is johnny damon, and the progress of the hot stove season suggests that the yankees made the right choice to refuse arb for him. damon will likely get less on the market than his arb value.
in the third group, a lot of teams took the chances that their "closers" would reject arbitration and net them two picks. the last signing in this group - valverde - was a very hard decision. i'm inclined to think the tigers chose wrongly in doing so, but i am less charitable than danup. at any rate, nobody got juan cruz'd this year among relievers.
in the fourth group, arb was denied across the board to these players. chone figgins and marco scutaro were the only infielders to be offered arb. both rejected arb and received major deals.
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type a cases - except for aberrant cases like wolf - are actually less interesting than type b cases. for type b free agents, the signing team suffers no penalty, but the team that offered arbitration gains a supplementary pick. in theory, type b free agents should be like free money; the only restraint is the concern that the type b free agent will accept arb and be less valuable than what one could have otherwise done with that money (braden looper, melvin mora).
maybe it was the tight economy, but very few type b free agents were offered arb - only 13. some surprising names on the list of those not offered arb - nick johnson, mike cameron, bedard, doug davis, jon garland, harden, vincente padilla, pettitte, etc. some of those names can be attributed to the same crunched budgets (and internal front office strife) that led the dodgers to deny arb to randy wolf. the brewers (cameron), the cubs (harden), arizona (davis), and the dodgers, again (padilla, garland). [btw, revisit this dave cameron gem about the cubs from last year, their good but not great gm, and their excellent financing. also, they were the best team in the NL in 2009, apparently.] some arb denials came from clubs relatively flush with cash - seattle (bedard) and new york (pettite). in both cases, one assumes the club just felt the player would make more in arb than on the free market, which may well be right. note that both clubs ended up needing more pitching.
in addition to the tight economy, the other theme of this offseason has been the hangover. clubs are really paying now for what they thought earlier in the decade (do i have to say last decade already?) was a new era in gigantic contracts. each of the clubs above now claiming poverty have sunk tons of money into players who are modestly good at best. by my count, the dodgers may have left as many as 4 picks on the table (wolf and two type B picks) - maybe more if you think belliard or orlando hudson were good wagers to reject arb (which i doubt). the dodgers have tapped out their farm system in the best way -- by putting good farm graduates on the field. but they're still going to need a continuing stock of talent to keep the club running, and all those picks could have made the 2010 draft one to sustain the club for a long time. this offseason has been a gigantic step back for the org, and even the issue of the divorce rings hollow in justifying this kind of negligent management. even if padilla or garland had accepted arb, they remain very tradeable pieces on the open market.
in a curiosity, the one player inexplicably offered arb was pudge rodriguez. texas took the chance that pudge would call their bluff and go to arb. he didn't, and the nats (who somehow were afraid offering nick johnson arb would put them in the poorhouse) doubled down on texas's questionable choice and gave him a two year contract. texas walks away with a pick from the pudge signing and the byrd signing. two not spectacular players that texas had the guts to offer arb to and texas gets two extra chances to make their farm more ridiculously great.
i will say i really liked the offer of arb to both derosa and pineiro. mo made good decisions on those two and the no-brainers on holliday and glaus.
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what we need is a new system with two key features. first, we have to get away from traditional elias rankings that undervalue strong defenders and overvalue poor ones, as well as relying on weaker traditional stats like saves and wins for pitchers. second, we have to stop penalizing the players by taking away the first round picks from teams who sign type A free agents.
the solution to the first question will require some negotiation and some incorporation of these egghead stats. the second one seems reasonably clear: follow the supplemental round pick model. eliminate the rule that allows the offering team to poach the signing team's pick. in addition to the unfair burden put on the player (and the perverse incentive to play badly that it gives to a player whose stats put him on the border between type A and type B in the last month of a season), the "penalty" is somewhat arbitrary since half of the teams will lose a far less valuable 2nd round pick for signing a type A free agent. you could instead grant the offering club two supplemental picks between the first and second rounds.
alternately, you could create a secondary supplemental round between the second and third round. give teams who offer arb to a type A free agent who declines and signs elsewhere a round 1A pick and a round 2A pick, and teams who offer arb to a type B free agent who declines and signs elsewhere a round 2A pick.
either way, a reformed system would accomplish what it was designed to do; to encourage, not discourage, the offer of arbitration.
the other lesson here is that if you have any money at all, get a prenup. or maybe don't get married.
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the other lesson here is that if you have any money at all, get a prenup. or maybe don’t get married.
Don’t buy a baseball team.
The heart is the general, the eyes are the scouts, the fists are the arrows, the body is the bow.
I agree that the system is flawed......
What type of system could have Jermaine Dye as a top tier Free Agent?
* is an Asshat
How many previous seasons does it take into account? 3?
If so, they probably notice that, even though he’s entering his age 36 season as a true DH, the last three years he has averaged 31 doubles, 30 homers, and a .496 SLG, while keeping a modest avg of .267 and OBP of .334. The kicker is, despite his age, he has over 1750 PA in that time span. So, in other words, he’s an above average power hitter, who keeps coming to the plate – even though he’s only available to 14 of the 30 teams.
This makes me ask:
Is there a “DH” category for classifying FAs?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
nm?
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Jan 16, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
...aaanndd scene.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
Why "stop penalizing the players"
by taking away first-round picks from Type As? Type As always have the option to ACCEPT arbitration, thereby getting a guarantee to make more money in one year than most readers of this blog will in their lifetimes. If their record is such that the club wins at arbitration instead of the player, they’re still filthy rich, and the club win is an indication that the player was overvalued by the process. In other words, the ones “penalized” by the Type A designation are the ones who don’t really deserve the designation anyway.
But, it does punish Type As relative to Type As.
Sure, they will make more in a one-year deal than many readers of this blog will ever make, but, that doesn’t mean it isn’t punishment for the Type As. But, the peak of their earning power and their earning window is so much younger and smaller than your average joe that it is punishment.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
it has two negative effects: one, it ensures that some players will not be able to negotiate a long-term contract.
second, it actually puts better players in a slightly worse off position than less talented players. consider two relievers — one is a good verging on great reliever; the second is a solidly good reliever. the first gets ruled a type A free agent. the second gets ruled a type B free agent. the type B free agent will actually be able to decline arbitration and look for a modest but profitable two year deal. the type A free agent, if offered arb, can really only accept arb. like i said in the article, this could potentially create a perverse incentive to encourage a player to play worse at the end of the season to ensure type B status.
if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus
I don't agree.
Look at the way arbitration offers have played out in practice. Very few type-A free agents have actually had to accept arbitration for fear of not getting a satisfactory offer, and several who were offered arb but declined have gone on to score massive contracts. You are correct that the inferior type-A, the one who’s grossly overrated, can only accept arb if offered, but (1) I don’t think that’s a bad thing, and (2) very few of the ones in that category are offered arb anyway. I just don’t see a problem here.
I do, however, agree 100% that something needs to be done to make the system for adjudicating Type A, Type B, etc., more accurate. That’s where the real problem lies.
by StanTheManFan on Jan 16, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
The problem here is how the rating system is valuing them though
Not how the compensation system works.
Only the really inferior Type A’s (guys who have an amazing career year, players who have two good years with an injury plagued season in between them) are ever going to be undervalued on the market. If you rated those guys properly, then they should be borderline Type A/B players, and there would be fewer instances of this.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
But, it does punish Type As relative to Type As.
This is some sort of philosophy joke, right? I should’ve read more fucking Neitzsche.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 16, 2010 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
thereby getting a guarantee to make more money in one year than most readers of this blog will in their lifetimes.
why would i possibly give a fuck how much the readers of this blog make?
players should make as much as they can; as should everyone who reads this blog. of course, people would probably make more if they got out of their basement.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jan 16, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
AND off your lawn.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 16, 2010 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
better yet....
Mow my yard! (don’t forget the edging)
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jan 16, 2010 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
his article on the cardinals in that series was even sillier
though i was kind of an asshole in the comments.
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
Tom don't be too hard on yourself
At the time that you were blogging w/alcohol, SB Nation had no formal policy vs. it. It was also the blogger’s union’s fault for fighting vs. testing and the SB Nation commissioner’s spinelessness.
Great post, Tom.
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
I must admit that I cannot cast the first stone in this case
since I often drink while reading this blog.
Just for the record
Acting like a fool with your pants on the ground…
Brenden Ryan is my hero...
by pattimagee on Jan 16, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
that's ironic
I usually take massive doses of anabolic steroids whilst sitting in my parents’ basement watching mlb.tv on my laptop.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 16, 2010 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
jack clark just tweeted
that all bloggers who used alcohol to write are scum and should be banned.
I think when you are as big as the sun you take on its color.
Don’t get too close to him. He probably gives off radiation.
by momup on Jan 16, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
you'll also probably be sucked in by his gravitational pull, and he'll eat you
or make you buy a plasma tv
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
by gdm426 on Jan 16, 2010 8:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The only time I've regretted
having HD, was when I first saw the Orange Monster © last year.
* is an Asshat
some people were just not made to be seen in HD
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Does drinking alcohol
cause tanning beds to make your skin more orange?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
usually the delusion that you need to tan more.
if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus
by tom s. on Jan 16, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think Snooki knows the answer to this.
(Insert Your Own Joke)
by AWolfAtTheDoor on Jan 16, 2010 11:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
everyone was drunk-blogging. it was a drunk-blogging culture.
It’s my benchmark to determine the editorial values of the glossary. Which means I now have to devote a section to denouncing the practice.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
See you guys got drunk but I got high
Marijuana is not tested under the SBNation rules.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 16, 2010 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
But it is illegal under the united states law!
by vivaelpujols on Jan 16, 2010 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
well then don't bogart the goods man
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Where is your card?
I abide by State Laws.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 16, 2010 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
um, they don't give us cards here in ohio, we use the buddy system
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
He's not your buddy guy?
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
i'm not your guy pal
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
i'm not your friend, cowboy
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
I'm not your sailor, wait, what the hell is this all about?
by peach concrete on Jan 17, 2010 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
South Park.
VEB has to re-act the scene at once a month. It’s in the website charter.
Now with extra feisty!
by spants on Jan 17, 2010 12:49 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It requires a 3/5 majority,
and I just don’t have the funds to hire a lobbyist right now.
Now with extra feisty!
by spants on Jan 17, 2010 12:52 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
the charter stipulates
that it can only be amended by lboros, after he has sacrificed a poster and partook of his blood. Lboros was in a weird place when he started this blog, i guess.
by mattyp on Jan 17, 2010 12:53 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Inevitably, the line of volunteers yearning for death is long enough.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Jan 17, 2010 1:21 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
come on, everyone knows it's me
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
no politics!
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 17, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
Perhaps
a remixed visual aid would help…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
However
Perhaps it's just that i've imbibed a bit of spirits...
- and I apologize to those of you who mind it for extending a conversation that has nothing to do with baseball, but, in those clips, -
the way the tops of the Canadians’ heads split off and bounce around freaks me the hell out.
by peach concrete on Jan 17, 2010 1:33 AM EST up reply actions
Whoa, I didn't mean to x that out. Trippy.
by peach concrete on Jan 17, 2010 1:33 AM EST up reply actions
yet somehow, i think it works
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
I keep on beating the same drum
SABR is still dominated by regression and expected values. e.g. The Draft and Wins Above Replacement (Part 2), By Sky Andrecheck. Don’t get me wrong I think the expected value approach is helpful. But I just think it is incomplete since it does not fully consider distributions. I think it was fine to use minimum cost classification (expected values) to make a decision to whether or not offer arb. But valuing solely on expected values and not other distributional characteristics (e.g. variability, skewness, multiple modes) is a bit incomplete.
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
Just to clarify
I don’t want to seem ungrateful for the excellent stats that are currently available.. I just want more stats. I think starting with variability would be fairly simple to implement. Right now, most of our tests are based on central tendencies so Z-type and T-type distributions. It would be nice to have some data to use F-type distributions.
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
i completely agree...
… especially when evaluating prospects (which i understand isn’t what we’re discussing here, but still). i would also like a more-complete positional breakdown. the Elias system is too clunky here.
if these variables are normally distributed
but i think most are not
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
Exactly
By looking at distributions we gain more insight into the variable (not just the central tendency) and we can check the multiple regression assumption of normally distributed variables.
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
I just want more stats.
You, you…. ANIMAL!
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 16, 2010 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
I agree that people should be looking more at probability distributions rather than a singular number
Mainly because the expected value distributions are NOT normal (a player is much more likely to provide no surplus value than he is to be a star)l; however, that takes a considerable amount more work and I’m not sure if the end result is going to be much different.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 16, 2010 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
You might be right in terms of player valuations
but how about something more mundane? Let’s assume 4 PAs per game, and only consider hits. And one player always gets one hit per game while another player gets 4 hits every four games. Same BA but which one would you rather have?
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
You'd use Base Runs for that, which is dynamic not linear
Plug in 4 singles into a league average batting performance per game, and plug in 1 single and multiply that by 4. See which one is higher. However, depending on the run environment, I could see it going either way.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 16, 2010 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
The answer is obvious,
the guy with four hits in one game obviously did steroids for that game.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Jan 17, 2010 1:22 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
You know, that is one thing that is truly remarkable about Pujols.
Aside from his tear with the bases loaded last year, his situational stats and trends are generally very flat.
He hits about the same no matter what day it is, has no significant platoon splits, and his situational stats are very linear. Yet another way the man amazes me. He is truly the maching.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
Query: Where can I go
to get updated info on the status of draft pix gained/lost for each of these transactions?
by MdRedbirdFreak on Jan 16, 2010 11:53 AM EST reply actions
I'm unaware of a one-stop site.
Perhaps you could search MLBTR for the Type A and Type B lists, which I’m pretty sure they posted and then cross-reference that with the MLB FA Tracker, which would allow you to figure out who signed elsewhere and which clubs got draft picks as a result.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Interesting thoughts, tom...
Although I think you’re going a bit too far in reforming the system. I don’t find any fault in the compensation model. I find a lot of fault in the way that players are ranked. If you fix the Type A/Type B ranking system to factor in defense, and, say BaseRuns or Runs Created or wOBA, I don’t think that you need to touch the compensation model at all.
One thing you didn’t factor in here is that teams picking in the top 15 have their pick protected so they can sign Type A free agents if they want to without fear of losing their top pick. Sure, they lose their second round pick, but it isn’t near as punishing as losing a first rounder. That should, theoretically, entice those teams to spend money on Type A free agents to make their team better. I don’t know how well this works, though, because the big market teams tend to drive up prices and that smaller market teams can’t afford a $15-$18M per year player anyway, and those are the teams that generally end up in the top half of the first round.
The MLBPA should be considering negotiating that foreign players be included in the draft in the next CBA. If Aroldis Chapman and Dice-K can get $50M contracts because of their increased negotiation leverage, shouldn’t American born players either get the same advantage or have the foreign born players subjected to the draft? If those guys can get that amount, what would Stephen Strasburg have gotten with the FA negotiating leverage? I shudder to think.
I don’t think that there should be two different markets where negotiations are made differently. In the case of someone like Bryce Harper, the player is at a tremendous disadvantage because he could be playing minor league ball right now and have a $25M contract if he had been born in Mexico instead of in the U.S. It’s ludicrous to hold teams to two different standards of conduct based on where the player is from. So either do away with the draft altogether and make everyone free agents, or subject everyone to the draft with no free agency prior to being available through the draft process.
If you incorporate the foreign born players into the draft system, the draft then gets much, much deeper, since you’ll probably have at least 20 more players in each draft with 1st or 2nd round talent, and possibly more than that in some drafts. You would also have fewer wealthy teams able to take advantage of the foreign player market by signing tons of those players for depth in the farm system while forgoing their top picks to sign as many Type A free agents.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I agree with your concern about international FAs
in fact, wasn’t there some speculation, even if a bit conspiratorial, that Boras was considering advising Harper to move out of the country and sign with some latin american team, just so he could come back as an international FA. Not sure how that would work out, but if it did work it would surely set a precedent that would be very harmful to MLB.
yeah, i agree the treatment of international signees is another area of concern.
a well-done fix of the elias rankings would help a lot. if the calculus of reliever rankings is fixed so that only the absolute most elite relievers are type A, that will diminish substantially the players who are classified type A but could never find a job as a type A. on the other hand, adjusting infielders’ rankings for defense and position adjustment would probably make more of those fielders type A and make it even harder for the polancos and hudsons of the world to find a signing.
if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus
agree with your first 2 paragraphs
also think they should do away with the 2B/3B/SS and 1B/OF classifications. Everyone should be ranked on the same list, using positional adjustments etc.
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
it's still hugly unfair to players & teams outside of the protected top 15 picks
it’s not fair that you’re a good team & lose you pick just because you signed a type A. and it’s not fair to the type A he can’t get the deal he wants because teams don’t want to lose their pick. they need to get rid of that rule, it’s not fair. it punishes the successful & that’s flat out wrong.
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Punishes them how?
So they can accept arbitration and end up with a multi-million deal? I don’t see how that punishes them at all, actually.
You’re going to see a lot more stink from the owners about the arbitration process and award amounts than you’ll see from the players about the compensation process. Every other major professional sport has some type of compensation for lost talent — it’s a semi-effective way to ensure at least some parity amongst other teams.
If you remove the compensation picks, you’re removing the incentive for teams to make trade deadline deals as well, because they might not get anything other than 2 months worth of a player if he leaves via free agency.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
it limits them from all teams bidding on their services, and that's hugely unfair
and there’s no way deadline deals will stop if the pics are removed.
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
No
but it will affect them.
For any one free agent, there are only 10 or 15 teams who could sign the free agent anyway. Removing the picks isn’t going to create a bigger market for that player, unless that player is already undesirable for some reason (he’s the last Type A on the market, injury issues, etc.) I think you are vastly overstating the market for free agents. For any free agent, they’re much better off in a market where the high spending teams are involved and they don’t do as well in markets where those teams aren’t involved. For instance, there’s little chance that Derek Lowe would have gotten the same deal this year as he did last year, because the market wasn’t as good. Holliday would have gotten a much better deal last year because of the Yankees being in the market.
You’re talking about scrapping the whole system, which has worked very well, by the way, to prevent Juan Cruz from getting fucked over, when Juan Cruz could just accept arbitration and make $6M the next season Cruz didn’t make as much after he declined arbitration as he would have by accepting arbitration. The players also need to understand what the market is like and make decisions accordingly.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
you haven't convinced me, i just can't think of anything else to say to make my point
i still think it’s unfair
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Do we need an external ranking system at all?
Why not just rank all the FAs based on the contracts that they ultimately receive? At the end of FA season, line up all the contracts by NPV or NPV/(contract years) or something, and mark off the type As and type Bs.
by brackenthebox on Jan 17, 2010 8:45 AM EST up reply actions
As many flaws as there are in the NBA, I really like their model.
Players’ salaries are fixed based on their draft slot, and all international players are included.
Even if the Royals signed a big name Type A and held their protected pick, they sometimes can’t draft who they want because of the signability issue.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
To be honest
I don’t know that tom s. went far enough. He tries to make it seem that he would have been able to make those same posts whether he had been using alcohol or not. He tells us he is sorry, says what he did was wrong but never says why it was wrong.
Sure, we all wanted him to come forward and address this issue. But he didn’t address it enough or say the things exactly the way we wanted him to say him. For that, he’s a creep and a fraud.
by Hardcore Legend on Jan 16, 2010 12:00 PM EST reply actions 12 recs
He should be banned from blogging about baseball
and yes, my orange skin comes from eating too many Cheetos, what of it!!!
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
by fourstick on Jan 16, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
You know, I think I could get you a job
on sports radio in Chicago. Can you say this, but in an angrier way?
HL sounds awfully similar to Jack Clark.
Coincidence? I think not.
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
He will never be voted into
the blogging HOF. It will go to the veterans committee, and we all know they’ll never let him in with this PED cloud over his head.
* is an Asshat
drink moar bourbon
eat more bacon
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 16, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
YES!
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
tom s. is a thief.
He stole money from other bloggers with his PED-influenced posts. And he has sullied the sanctity of the blog.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
what a terrible role model for all the
young bloggers that look up to him
by mattyp on Jan 16, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Reyes Game 1
For all those interested, my TV info says that MLB network will be showing Game 1 of the 2006 World Series at noon (central time).
YESTERDAY MATT HOLLIDAY BECAME ON THE WRONG SIDE OF 30
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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by mattyfrommo on Jan 16, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
Impossible.
Albert Pujols is always on the correct side of everything.
by peach concrete on Jan 16, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
in that case, that means today
I became on the wrong side of 30.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 16, 2010 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
happy bday?
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
no, I was being clever and shit
if albert pujols has become 30, and is always on the right side of everything, younger than 30 (which is what I is) is now the wrong side of 30.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 17, 2010 6:04 AM EST up reply actions
i don't think that's sbn
i think that’s you hitting enter instead of apostrophe
/quibble
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Jan 16, 2010 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
looks like it

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
RIGHT side of 30, actually.
I speak as one who is also on that side. Welcome, Albert and Matt. You’re in good company.
by StanTheManFan on Jan 16, 2010 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
When did Carp
nexdef’d?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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last offseason
did you take this pic?
by d-dee on Jan 16, 2010 4:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
no, i just ran across that on twitter today
I suppose I didn’t spend much time paying attention to Carp’s non-throwing arm last season.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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VEB discussed the tat at length
and knowing VEB, probably tattoos in general.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I must have missed that and/or too drunk to remember it
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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they're supposedly the astrological signs of his kids
the wife approved it
read: she thought it was badass.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
i thought he had an arm length one too
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
she's the only person that scares Carp
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
you don't wanna know
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
That reminds me of Ari Gold and his wife.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
"i love you baby! can we f right here?"
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Luddy talks about his wife a lot
besides, that’s from one interview out of dozens. if you check his quotes, Carp’s mostly about the luggage.
besides, what’s wrong with talking about your spouse? is there some rule I don’t know about?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 17, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
Better than footballs system
*What I am about to repeat is something I heard on the radio from a guy currently working for the NFL explaining it to DeMarco Farr
Starting next year the top tier winners such as the Super Bowl winners will have severely restricted free agent abilities. ie The only way the Yankees could sign a premier talent such as Matt Holliday is that they would have to lose in the process. So they would have to lose A-Rod to sign Holliday. They can only sign a premier free agent if they lost one also.
Sounds stupid but that is pretty verbatim how the guy explained it.
That's assuming no agreement
is reached, since the cap will be totally messed up.
ya, it feels like an intentionally stupid system is put in place
to provide incentive for both sides to reach an agreement
by brackenthebox on Jan 17, 2010 8:35 AM EST up reply actions
That won't happen
I get the feeling an agreement will be reached or they will go with an uncapped year, in which case everything will get FUBAR.
FWIW, the NFL’s FA system works pretty well, they just need to guarantee at least the first 3 years of any contract, and develop a better Veterans system to work with these players who have existing medical issues from playing football.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
This is not my home page
even though it’s the first place I check on the web every morning (after my home page opens). Just so ya know.
There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 16, 2010 1:41 PM EST reply actions
sounds like it needs to be your homepage
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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is a fly ball pitcher who throws cutters a flutter?
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 16, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
does an ex-college punter who throws a cutter become...
actually, nevermind.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 16, 2010 6:23 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
a clider
There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 16, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
that's recworthy.
if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus
JAIME GARCIA
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Ha ha
I know I shouldn’t take delight at others’ misery but this is just too funny.
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
there's a reason why we call them pond scum
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
??
http://twitter.com/FollowThePadres/status/7789665240
the Padres don’t have plans to offer Bell or Kevin Kouzmanoff multi-year deals. Both players could be trade bait this summer.
am i missing something?
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
And.....?
I don’t understand what you are missing
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 16, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
i was missing
that the thing about the pads maybe extending kouzmanoff was posted before he was traded
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
Totally forgot Kouzmanoff got traded
Was just thinking of Heath Bell
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 16, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
Goold tweets
the Cards are doing med research on Wang
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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So they're talking to
an urologist?
* is an Asshat
by RiverRat on Jan 16, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Goold just had to make that tweet with a smile
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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OH YOU DID NOT JUST GO THERE
ah what the hell. Rec.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 16, 2010 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
I want nothing to do with Wang in the rotation
he seems like Mulder V 2.0
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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but with more opportunity for puerile puns.
so, awesome.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 16, 2010 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
Imagine...
Carpenter, Holliday, Penny, Motte, Schumaker, AND Wang…
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I like the upside of that Wang
Seems like he could slide real well into our rotation
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 16, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
why isn't that green?
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
i did my part
but i kind of wish he would’ve said “slide into the back end of our rotation”
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Jan 16, 2010 8:58 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Now that is what I call good comedy...
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
annnnd green
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
when I make these jokes I never really know how they are going to turn out
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 17, 2010 1:44 AM EST up reply actions
that's what i think about everything i say
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
This is disheartening.
I don’t really have much interest in a pitcher who got by on smoke-and-mirrors before injuring his shoulder. I’d much, much rather go after Smoltz, a pitcher who has the ability to strike a batter out. Wang hasn’t ever really been able to strike batsmen out and there is little-to-no reason to think that 2010 will be any different. If we sign him to anything more than a minor-league invitation, it will be a poor decision.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
But Duncan is the perfect coach for Wang
Pineiro(for comparison) struck out 4.5/9 last year and relied on a career high 60.5% GB, and a .46HR/9.
Wang’s career numbers are 60.1%GB and a .55HR/9,if anything Wang could put up a stronger performance in the NL.
I am the Batman
What change in approach will Duncan bring to Wang to improve Wang's results?
RB touched on this. Wang won’t be converted to Duncanism because he is already practicing the religion of the groundball than Duncan preaches. Wang already pitches to contact and misses virtually no bats. And he’s not good as a pitcher while doing it. So, why would we spend money and use up big-league roster space on someone who has been somewhat less effective than a batting practice pitcher? What’s more, our last go-around with a sinkerballer coming off of shoulder surgery should add another tinge of caution when looking at Wang. I’m not against giving him a Matt Clement deal. But, that’s about it.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
what do you mean "he's not good as a pitcher while doing it?"
I like the pre-2009 Wang, he’s not going to be an ace, but if he returns to form he’ll be a three/four starter.Everyone seems to think smoltz is going to throw 200 innings and strike out a ton,but he only pitched 78 innings last year, time he missed from shoulder injuries.
I am the Batman
I just have no faith in that
he is coming off the shoulder surgery, and ever since his foot issues his mechanics have been awful. If he signs for 1M, he is worth the risk. 4M or so would be putting way too many of our remaining eggs in a really crappy basket.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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well if it's mechanics, Duncan can always help.
I believe in Duncan’s abilities, and risking ~$3M-$4M on a one year contract, for a guy who could be worth $10M if he returns seems like a risk we could take.
I am the Batman
Smoltz was worth $6.6MM in 78 innings last year.
I’d feel much better about giving him money comparable to what you seem to be willing to give Wang.
I think our disagreement stems from what we feel is a worthwhile gamble on Wang. To me, $3-4MM is far to much for his services. A minor-league invite would be ideal and I think that is about what he deserves. If not that, the most I would guarantee Wang is $2MM. Wang at $2MM guaranteed, I’d stomach.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
that's the thing
wang won’t accept a minor league invite, because he’s going to be signed somewhere. I could be wrong though I thought signing D.J. Carrasco would be a good Idea, but then he goes and signs with the pirates on a minor league deal.
I am the Batman
I'd have been pleased if we had signed Carrasco to a minor league deal.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
He must've been hurt because I was thinking he was a quality arm we could sign
for mucho cheapo.
I am the Batman
and smoltz's FIP
has to do with his crazy strikeout numbers, which I am sure will go down.
I am the Batman
Why, they were lower than in his previous years?
by vivaelpujols on Jan 16, 2010 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
I just think sooner or later the wheels are going to fall off
and expecting john smoltz to strike out just as many batters as when he was 31 or 32 isn’t the best course of action.
I am the Batman
Yes, but expecting him to strike out as many batters as he did when he was 41 or 42
Is perfectly fine – considering regression of course. That’s still around 8 per 9.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 16, 2010 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
Being lucky is quite different from being good.
I like the pre-2009 Wang, too. But I have no faith that he will return to form. None whatsoever. We all saw the wonders Duncan’s work with Mulder did for Mulder’s mechanics post-shoulder injury. Because, don’t forget that Wang had a shoulder injury, too. At least I know Smoltz has pitched injury-free for 78 innings. I would rather bet $5MM on Smoltz, who has proven himself healthy and able to generate swings-and-misses than Wang, who may or may not be healthy, and hasn’t really ever been able to generate swings-and-misses. I think his ERAs have been a little bit too low for his FIPs and his “win” totals have been bolstered by lineups that have consistently been the game’s best supporting him.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
his FIP is 3.99
he was really good before he got hurt.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 16, 2010 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
yah
though FIP takes that into account somewhat because his HR rate is (as you’d expect from a good sinkerballer) historically low.
I’d say, if you take neutral HR/FB luck and consider league and park adjustments, healthy Wang = 2009 Joel Pineiro. Similar K/BB rate, 60% GB. I could live with that upside for a $2m risk.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 17, 2010 6:07 AM EST up reply actions
i think that if smoltz would accept $5mil
we would already have him. or someone would. he’s probably gonna want more than that
R.P.O.F.Y.M.
Obviously,
this is the problem. His foot injury and lack of movement wasn’t really the problem, according to the film I’ve watched. The problem is he is tipping when he is going to throw his sinker and opposing batters were keying in on that…
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
ditto, SIGN SMOLTZY
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
They had best do their due dilligence on Wang-
IMHMO, the worst is yet to come for Wang’s shoulder. His previous surgeries were not on the deepest structures of his shoulder joint, and if they only fixed a superficial problem, he could easily drop right back onto the D list.
Even if they do think he’s healthy and they sign him, 1.5M is (i hope) the max he would command.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
News from the Winter Warmup
via the Rains at the Globe-Democrat
Some highlights from the article, from Mo’s talk:
he wants to wait until the arbitration-eligible cases of Ryan Ludwick and Skip Schumaker are settled before he moves on to either signing another reliever, another starting candidate or an extra outfielder
Aww
would prefer to find a pitching candidate with the option of either starting or relieving
duh
Ruled out the possibility that Rick Ankiel might return to the Cardinals
whew
Said there was “no chance” that hitting coach Mark McGwire would be activated so he could serve as a pinch-hitter
aww
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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Thanks for the link - interesting tidbits
I am relieved to hear about no more Ank. Some on VEB were mildly clamoring for him which worried me. There was also a blurb about Daryl Jones.
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
hopefully this is not a negotiating ploy Mo is using against Boras
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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Arrrrgh
Why did you have to do that? I felt assuaged and now I am worried again. No more AnKKKK, pleaz.
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
I don't understand the negativity about Ankiel
I think throwing $1 mil his way to try to make the back end of the rotation would be a good thing, since no one is gonna sign him as an everyday CFer, for big bucks. C’mon MO, take a chance!
There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 16, 2010 5:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
that's on Matt's end, he kept saying "MOAR MONEY"
and We had to explain to himover and over again that no one will pay him that much.
I am the Batman
For me, the negativity comes from:
1. watching Ank flailing blindly at pitches outside the plate
2. Colby had to share time with him because TLR is so darn committed to playing him
I absolutely hope that he regains his form with a low pressure team.
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
we're not
the only viable right-hander signed elsewhere on a minor league deal. DOH!
(Hopper, btw)
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 16, 2010 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
now that's the kind of Ankiel signing I can get behind!
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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Exacty!
Now that he’s older, he’d be the older-vet-type that Duncan could work with on his mechanics. C’mon MO, show some balls!
There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 16, 2010 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
Because Ankiel the player has some potential,
but Ankiel the story plus TLR’s bleeding heart equals a lot of lefty-lefty and inferior defense overexposure.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
I thought for sure this would be green by the time I got drunk
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
It is green
you’re just too drunk to distinguish colors. Oh, the heartbreak! Another poster falls victim to the excess of post-enhancing drinks.
There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 17, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
listen to the interviews in the sidebar.
seems like some mutual love between penny and molina — he specifically cites the presence of a great catcher behind the plate.
yadi in return lauded the arrival of penny and fellow countryman (commonwealthman?) gotay at winter warmups.
if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus
Gotay and Molina are from Massachusetts?
/kidding.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Mutual love sure "beats" the opposite
Can anyone say Lil’ Z and Michael Barrett?
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
well... wow.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
sure
if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus
by tom s. on Jan 16, 2010 8:36 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
what a waste of a mo interview
i was kind of hoping to hear at least, i dunno, one question that wasn’t about our f’ing hitting coach. even if it’s “old news” like holliday, they could have at least discussed the 2010 cardinals in brief
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Jan 16, 2010 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks for these
Listening to baseball interviews = raucous Saturday night, oh yeah.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
yeah, the original went out of business in the mid 80's, right?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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then there was the tabloid-style st. louis sun which lasted for like a week?
anybody remember that?
if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus
Didn't Bernie...
make the ill-fated switch? He’s lucky the PD took him back.
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
sometimes strange things happen when you google.
if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus
2 comments, really?
I am disappointed in the old veb guard. You people could have done so much more with that pure comedy gold!!
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
I think the blog...
was created that week.
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
It is a lot of work to get a Blog up and going
I would not even attempt one without a good comment system in place
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 16, 2010 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
oh, well you under 100 UIDers are forgiven
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Hilarious.
Man, I laughed harder than I have in some time. That was priceless. Thanks for bringing that to our attention, Tom.
by ArkansasTravs on Jan 17, 2010 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
OOT: happy to report Boog got rid of the Stache
by d-dee on Jan 16, 2010 4:36 PM EST via mobile reply actions
this is not happy news
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
he has time
also, Booooooooog.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
oh well then pardon me
but i hope Booooooooooooooog (enough?) doesn’t grow that thing again. or if he does, i hope he finds a barber to help. or ron jeremy, whichever
now that i'm looking at the pictures i took
he’s got a little soul patch (is that what it’s called?) like carp
looks nice
he almost had it for the NLDS
then we saw what happened
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 17, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
Anybody else take the under on the Cards-Saints?
[drinks]
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
ha...what was it at? Think I saw 57 at one point. Not an auspicious start for you, then.
even if it was at 100, you’d still have to think about it a bit
56.5
A big number… and both teams have been decent against the pass.
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
The Saints' pass defense is ranked 26th in the NFL.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
9th by DVOA
teams racked up the yards because they were behind early.
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
Well...
I think you’re seeing how the Cardinals can be contained. The Saints have been no great shakes of late, but obviously you’re right.
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
Not to belabor this...
but if the Saints are held to a garbage time FG instead of a TD, the under wins.
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
FYI 2006 world series is on MLB tv
just finished game 2, game 3 is on now. Carpenter is a machine.
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
I hate my cable provider.
I am the Batman
by CodyG on Jan 16, 2010 6:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
hate MLB for not letting your cable provider offer it
and Dish Network. greedy stupid fucking bastards
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
so incompetent nobody watches them anymore?
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
When will they show the '06 NLCS?
This series has been seriously slighted. We don’t get all seven games in the ’06 World Series champs DVD, and the games are rarely on MLB TV.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
The NLCS was better than the World Series, imo
The 2006 NLCS was the amusing series of baseball that I have ever watched before
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 16, 2010 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
and the 2004 NLCS was even better.
I’d LOVE to see that again.
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
The Rolen home run off Clemens is an underrated moment
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
I was living in Los Angeles at the time
I was watching the game at a Red Robin and when Rolen hit that home run, I stood up and yelled wildly… and the whole restaurant looked at me. Totally worth it.
by Mulliganstew on Jan 16, 2010 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
I really wish that MLB
would put great homeruns like that for sale at iTunes or something. I would buy a ton of them and watch them whenever I needed a pick me up.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
The 04 NLCS
was probably the series of baseball I am most emotionally attached to. At the time, my brother was very sick (his appendix burst). He is as big a Cards fan as I am and refused to miss game 7, to which we had tickets. So we went as a family (even though he was in a wheelchair) and I’ve never heard the stadium get louder than that magical evening. And my brother, who could barely speak, cheered as hard as anyone else.
hit it to the pitcher
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
watching that now actually
I complete forgot Preston Wilson even existed, but less played for that World Series winning team!
and took at-bats away from luddy in 2007.
Boooo.
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
pirates sign donnelly to a $1.5m contract, goes up to $3m total with incentives.
that’s a chunk to drop on a not-great reliever, especially if they want to take on dotel too.
if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus
that's the Pirates for ya!
hasn’t he been completely meh-ish for a few years now?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
The Pirates FO is actually very good right now
by vivaelpujols on Jan 16, 2010 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
I will reserve judgement on that
I just don’t understand this signing at all
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Well it's a 1.5 million dollar contract
There’s nothing special about it, but it’s not like it makes a difference at all. Maybe they just wanted some depth?
by vivaelpujols on Jan 16, 2010 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
Nothing the Pirates do makes a difference.
They’ve been irrelevant as long as some members of this blog have literally been alive.
They've done a good job...
as the Cubs AAA team.
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
Think you missed an A there...
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Bear in mind, at least
that prior to this signing, the Pirates’ presumptive CLOSER is probably Sean Burnett, who put up a -0.1 WAR last year, or Joel Hanrahan, who has, over his career so far, walked more than FIVE hitters per nine innings. Their bullpen is all shades of embarassing.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 17, 2010 6:17 AM EST up reply actions
And, to be fair to Donnelly, he's probably as good in the late-inning ROOGY role as Russ Springer
who keeps getting $3-4m deals into his 40s. Donnelly has a much longer track-record of success as well; Springer’s really only come into his own in the last few years as his exposure to LHB has been minimised.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 17, 2010 6:20 AM EST up reply actions
that's a weird one
seems a lot, given they got carrasco (who’s probably better) for the league minimum. Kinda hard to see what Huntington’s doing here, although there is something to be said for at least trying to put a non-embarassing team on the field, and their bullpen (with no additions from last year and the loss of Grabow and Capps, basically their only two above-replacement level relievers) was shaping up to be HISTORICALLY appalling. I suppose they can always try to dump Donnelly & Dotel around the deadline for C/B prospects, which kinda works.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 17, 2010 6:12 AM EST up reply actions
Boog's plan for next year: Hit more like Albert
“He [McGwire] is trying to put me in a position to hit the ball better and be more consistent,” Ryan said. “I battle changing my stance every week. So the first thing was, let’s find a batting stance and let’s stick with that. the funny thing is, I had a hard time finding out who I am. So I just kind of started doing what Albert did, and I started taking good swings. so I’m going to hit like Albert this year, at least batting stance-wise. I’m going to try. That’s what we’ve been doing. It feels good. he’s got a pretty darn good swing obviously. If I can do an impersonation of that and fall just short, then I should have a pretty good swing too.”
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
You do that, Boog
Maybe in a few years we’ll look back on today as the day Boog became the best hitting short stop in the league.
Probably not, but it’d be cool.
by Mulliganstew on Jan 16, 2010 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
for the record
heeding albert’s hitting advice has improved my wiffleball hitting ability by a factor of 5 pujollion
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
none of us ever played past little league
haven’t you been paying attention?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
you have to leave VEB now Cody,
it is in the terms of use
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
i play wiffleball and stickball regularly during the summer
just waiting until it’s socially acceptable for me to join a beer league.
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
Fastball with age group 16-19
i plan on playing in the adult league this summer as well.
I am the Batman
no,
but once i graduate and have a consistent work schedule i plan to join a league and play
i was always pretty good. i wish i hadn’t decided in high school that partying was more important
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
The last time I played baseball
was in 1972, I think. The last time I played softball was in 1999, just before I broke my hand diving for a line drive.
There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 16, 2010 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
i can't even remember the last time i swung a bat
it’s probably pushing 10 years. fml
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
i used to go to the cages fairly often
before i moved. been meaning to find some good cages near to my house so i can pick it back up
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Jan 16, 2010 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
I played in high school, a long time ago
but tore up a shoulder and wasn’t able to continue post-graduation. Softball just isn’t the same.
by StanTheManFan on Jan 16, 2010 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
you are all a bunch of LIARS
everyone knows us VEB’ers never played past LL. You people really need to quit making this crap up.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jan 16, 2010 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
I was being scouted until I had my knee blow out
thanks for bringing that horrible memory back.
I am the Batman
the Rockies & DBacks were scouting a kid on our high school team
and a kid we were playing against. our coachs didn’t tell us they were there until the next day after practice. they said the scouts told them no one had MLB talent, but i was the only one there who had the heart & determination to make it to the MLB. i’ll never forget that.
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
true story, i crap you not
i just wish i had it in writing so people believe me
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
i'm telling you, it's true. i wouldn't lie about this
honestly, what does it get me on VEB? two low level scouts liked my style back in 95. VEB collectively goes, yippee skippee for gdm
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
kind of dissapointed my Rudy chant didn't work
(Hangs head in shame)
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 17, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
I saw it
and thought it was 3 different people…lol
I = Oblivious
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
a woman ate it
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Is this an euphemism that is really about an ugly girl
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 17, 2010 1:52 AM EST up reply actions
nope
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Hey now,
I played American Legion ball. Not well, but I played. (the opposite of Cody, apparently, good glove, no hit.)
by ArkansasTravs on Jan 17, 2010 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
I played through college
Probably gonna find a men’s league out here in San Francisco to join at some point. Shoulder could use some strengthening first, though.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
I have never played competitive baseball or softball in my life
I used to play cricket and basketball, and have played volleyball for about 12 years; I play at a (low) national level in England now. In fact, there’s a little bit of me playing on this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYOft0-8HBk
I play through the middle for this team. Somewhat off-topic but there ya go.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 17, 2010 6:23 AM EST up reply actions
he _does_ want that Gold Glove.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
haha
i can’t wait to see boog stepping up to the plate with albert’s batting stance
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
screw that, I wanna see the impersonation!
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
This is the best thing in here:
* Jason Motte feels he’s finally found an offspeed pitch he can rely on — two of them, actually.
* is an Asshat
WOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
no goggles, no goggles!!!
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 17, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
I like the goggles.
They remind me of Ricky “Wild Thing” Vaughn, which is never a bad thing, especially when the Cards play the Indians in inter-league play and they wear 1988 throwback uniforms to commemorate the release of “Major League.”
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Jan 17, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
were you here for the goggles / no-goggles split?
Motte settled down once he… couldn’t see. The goggles were restricting his crazy. He denied that made a difference, but he got a piece of his 08 scariness back.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 17, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
they do nothing!
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RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 18, 2010 5:35 AM EST up reply actions
that is just freaking awesome
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
I can't find anything I don't like about that!
even though my head says there’s probably better options, my heart says GOGOGO!
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 17, 2010 6:25 AM EST up reply actions
so taguchi returns to japan with the orix new wave.
so long, buddy. i really hope he and his wife are happy in japan, and that they leave with fond memories of america and st. louis.
even if his resigning with orix is just a victory lap of the japanese league, that’s great for him. he’s had a nice career.
if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus
*orix blue wave
if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus
the orix new wave would have made for much more awesome unis
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
This guy's playing shortstop.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 17, 2010 6:26 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Aaaaactually
The Orix team is the Buffaloes now. The Blue Wave and the Kintetsu Buffaloes merged in 2004.
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
by The Continental on Jan 16, 2010 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
But good for So. Glad he caught on there for a last hurrah.
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
by The Continental on Jan 16, 2010 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
It would be so much sweeter if some of our teams decided to merge in America
Imagine the Cardinals absorbing the Royals… and the top 3 of Carp, Wainer, and Grienke…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
I don't need people pointing out flaws in my logic
Makes me look bad and I do a good enough job of doing that myself.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
wah wah wah
just thinking out loud..
besides, if the ny team were to also absorb the cubs (and the white sox, might as well while in chicago), the added suckiness will even things out and baseball will finally be fair
I'd be pretty happy in a world in which the Cubs went bye-bye
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
hahaha
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Ham Fighters, great team name or greatest team name?
Albertofstan.
F* Yeah!
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Jan 18, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Great story...
He was such a huge bust… the way he went to work and made himself useful was pretty impressive.
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
I don't think so,
but he was just so overmatched when he first came up. He worked his ass off to get back to the majors.
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
by The Continental on Jan 16, 2010 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
I guess at the time...
handing him $3 million guaranteed seemed to indicate that he was good enough to be a starter or at least a solid 4th outfielder. Not Ichiro or anything…
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
yeah...
and he was laughably bad when he first arrived.
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
amazing how buff he was, even then.
I always thought he was a beanpole early in his career, but watching him bat earlier I was surprised by how huge his chest/biceps were, even in 1989.
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
The real difference between pre-roid Barry and post-roid Barry
is his core and shoulder strength, which allowed him to keep his great bat-speed while being able to rotate with greater power. You could say the same for pre-weight training and post-weight training Tiger Woods as well.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
nothing informative
Just the usual
…enjoying the winter warmum
…started working out in October, only took a few weeks off
…feels good and ready to go
thanks for the mini liveblog
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 17, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
one month till pitchers and catchers report.
if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus
tom i for one don't care how drunk you were/are blogging
just please no more pics of your navel. maybe mix in some head shots, over the shoulder shots, or shots from behind. but i don’t think i’ll ever get the image of that black lint out of my mind. there are some things you just can’t unsee.
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
ha! don't tell me what to do!

if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus
nice,,,,,oranges
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
i more of a fan of
Some people have their own bowling ball and their own bowling shoes and no friends.
You must be the change you wish to see in the world.
Such a great band...
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
also...
you may want to be on the lookout for ninjas while enjoying peaches…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
A Public Service Announcement
brought to you by ducttape16 and the AdCouncil.
Some people have their own bowling ball and their own bowling shoes and no friends.
You must be the change you wish to see in the world.
i cannot believe that
someone researched all the art of peaches and put it to that song…
This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers
by punchinjudy on Jan 17, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
Wainer is talking about the players campaigning for Matt!
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
THE PIE EFFIN WORKS.
Adam named him and Skip, and perhaps there were more.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 17, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
I'm confused.
They campaigned on Holliday’s part to ownership? Or, they campaigned on the club’s behalf to Holliday?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
they were talking up St. Louis to Matt
there is no club. there is only pie.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 17, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
where was this?
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
dang, I missed it all
they were talking about food. now I’m hungry.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 17, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
bastards probably still in line at Pappy's
bastards
/needless name-calling!
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 17, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
Luddy has
Hair-wick!
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
well I for one am glad
their idea of fun is to break out the hair clippers and be like Albert
it could be worse
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 17, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
the household has been taken over by handegg
let us know if there are any handpuppets
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
You're missing quite the ridiculousness on twitter
describing the winter warmup:
JohnMarecek I’ve never seen the ballroom packed like this. #wwu http://twitpic.com/yj5hx
JohnMarecek Kindergarten storytime has broken out in front of the main stage #wwu http://twitpic.com/yj6f1
MatthewHLeach Have officially reached the point where all I can do is laugh at the madness. #wwu
MatthewHLeach Our vantage point. Scribes are seated cross-legged on the floor in front of the stage, awaiting McGwire. http://twitpic.com/yj6zd
JohnMarecek A rock concert has broken out at the Winter Warm Up
MatthewHLeach Absolute frenzy. A 1-minute ovation. http://twitpic.com/yj7z7
MatthewHLeach They played the intro to ‘Welcome To The Jungle’ as McGwire took the stage. #ThingsYouCouldntMakeUp
MatthewHLeach Mac signing. ‘Welcome To The Jungle’ playing again. http://twitpic.com/yj9eh
remember
some of these people start the Wave.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I have to admit.....
hearing Welcome to the Jungle……..followed by Mark McGwire still raised a couple of goosebumps.
* is an Asshat
lesee...
dgoold A year after he joked about hitting 50 homers, Ludwick had a new goal: “I want to hit one.” #stlcards #wwu
BJRains David Freese talked for more than twice as long as McGwire did to the media…
man, there is a lot of information overload coming through every outlet. I hope somebody’s keeping up, ‘cause it ain’t me.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
is GoElBirdos the ex-Viva ?
GoElBirdos McGwire seemed pretty bothered in his first interaction with the mass media.
whoever he is, he can’t spell ‘imminent’
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Oh my
JohnMarecek Some women just got their picture taken with Skip Schumaker holding a jar of Skippy Peanut Butter. #ThingsYouCouldntMakeUp #wwu
hfs ®
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 18, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
I'm watching Game 4 of 2006 WS
I have a good feeling about this game…
Don't ping my cheese with your bandwidth.
by RosevilleRedbird on Jan 17, 2010 2:24 PM EST reply actions
Chris Carpenter writes left-handed...
super weird….i would’ve made a huge wager against that.
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 17, 2010 2:58 PM EST reply actions
he taught himself to write with other hand
among other things
/tale-telling
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I noticed that in a photo yesterday.
It’s kinda weird, but if he’s had many surgeries on his right arm. With all that healing time, you’d probably have to learn to do many things with your non-dominant hand.
Now with extra feisty!
we're talking about pasta, right?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
what kind of noodles?
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
He doesn't so much..
as scratch his ass with his right hand. Right hand is for pitching, left hand is for everything else in life. I remember a guy sliced off part of his pinky chopping onions and he never came back.
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
if he were slicing
with his left hand, it’d be a lot easier to cut his right hand
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
[ill]
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
We should get together and buy this for all pitchers on the 40-man
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
youtube'd
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUbWjIKxrrs
though they could use a shamwow too
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I do some stuff with my left hand
Broke my right (throwing/writing) wrist, and, well, one must adapt.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
they better have some Pappy's for everybody, that's all I'm sayin'.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
big FOX is horrific with handegg
would it kill them to show a replay after a huge play?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
yeah
I like CBS better, and it’s not that they are amazing, it’s just fox isn’t very good
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 17, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
the regional Fox guys are a lot better
I like our Guys in the Truck.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Buck is terrible and getting worse...
They roasted Childress at the half… I thought he played it perfect – went for it, but didn’t give the other team enough time to do anything.
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
now Favre/Rice are just toying with them. haha.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Was anyone at the winter warm up?
How long was Jack Clark booed?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
haha, he brought it on himself
was Al there? he should have gotten booed too
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
tidbits
He will get the ball every single time there is a save situation and his body is much more ready to handle the effects of a full season
Franklin goes on to say he has never been more tired in his entire life this offseason based on the work that he went through in 2009…and cannot wait to get this year going based on the way the season ended.
Awesome, cuz there is nothing like having a 37 year old closer getting over-worked and tiring down the stretch.
This can’t be true, I don’t have enough funds for all the liquor this will require me to need to get through the season!
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Franklin memes
I liked the Franklin meme of booze being called a Franklin. Because it is less about Franklin and more about my closer forcing me to drink. “Franklin Sucks” meme was the worst.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 17, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
a franklin was a drink
long before franklin himself was the closer. But I agree, I hat ethe “x sucks” kind of stuff.
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
that scares me
so how is Franklin going to be “much more ready” after being “never more tired in his entire life”? maximum suspense for the 9th inning!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 17, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
I think the point was that he's training hard this offseason
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
Mo needs to stop shooting the breeze with Frankie
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
This is a brilliant plan...
1. Give him the closer job when Motte fails
2. Trade our reliever of the future
3. Extend him for no apparent reason
4. Don’t bother to sign a backup option
5. Guarantee him the ninth for the entire season
6. Stick with him regardless of results
7. Lose!
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
by guayzimi on Jan 17, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We still have relievers of the future
Motte,Sanchez,Samuel,Salas,Boggs could all be closers someday.
I am the Batman
He will get the ball every single time there is a save situation and his body is much more ready to handle the effects of a full season
Unfortunately, his shitty pitching is no more ready to handle the effects of having to get major league hitters out. So there’s that.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 18, 2010 5:44 AM EST up reply actions
OTOH
If the money gets spent on the back end of the rotation, that means that Boggs will probably move to the bullpen where he could be very effective. Hopefully Motte will be better this season and back to throwing lots of 98-99 mph strikes as well. Couple that with the hope the Sanchez could be ready for the Show after the ASB, and we might not need another reliever.
Also, hopefully we can get Frankie’s appearances down a bit by scoring some more effing runs this season.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I just have to say thanks for bringing my sanity back
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jan 18, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
Matty also has to say thanks for bringing his salinity back
(/semi-sophisticated fellatio gag)
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 18, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
I was thinking that the bullpen was the area that should be concentrated on
I wonder if they are done or are looking for a 5th starter? other than that only branyan and lopez look interesting
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 17, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
i think once they resign Ludwick and Skip
They will make a move for a 5th starter. I think Smoltz might be out of their price range.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 17, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
They have to sign another starter...
It would be madness to go into the season with what we have right now.
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
SMOLTZY, SHEETS & KIKO. they can do it, they just don't want to
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
oh for fucks sake
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
by gdm426 on Jan 17, 2010 6:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
oh my god...
thats was soooooooooo hilarious *email all – send
patiently awaiting Tosh.0 Web Redemption
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 17, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
Facebooked. Tweeted. Myspaced. Emailed.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
HFS
®
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
McGwire presser link
from BJ Rains twitter
Audio from McGwire’s short press conference today at the Winter Warm-Up | St. Louis Globe-Democrat:<
you know how I know the g-d is better than the p-d?
they have no f’in forums!
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
ANNNNNDDDD....
Now I haven’t ventured in there….so I have no idea how good or bad they may be.
* is an Asshat
I just noticed that
damn, I could not even be happy for 5 f’in minutes!
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
and they seem to be just as crazy as the P-D one
yeah, the G-D sucks too, but at least they are doing some fine baseball reporting
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
i'm not reading the gd
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Blue Moon eh?
I’ll have to look for that.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Game 5 of 2006 WS
is about to be closed out on MLB, if anyone is not watching handegg.
* is an Asshat
Um
Hawksworth writes a blog (and someone named “waino” writes there, too) analyzing scripture passages. How did I not know this?
oh good, so you missed that one that was all about you.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 18, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
is this the Globe-Democrat blog
and where is the link?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
damn it, I can't find the damn waino stuff
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
you guys realize that 90% of the players with online presence
are blogging about Bible study, right? I wasn’t really joking…
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 18, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
Holliday quit taking suppliments all together
Only taking the occasional protein shake now. Anything else just isn’t worth the risk.
Best part is the comments, where the first commenter calls baseball writers fat slobs, and dgoold takes offense to being called fat.
yes please
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
I was really hoping never to see that image again.
by peach concrete on Jan 17, 2010 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
No, but seriously, can't we just leave bacon in the past?
Please.
by peach concrete on Jan 17, 2010 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
Swearing violently and using sexually explicit imagery is part of who I am.
But I’m trying very hard not to subject the veb community to that particular aspect of my personality out of deference to community norms.
by peach concrete on Jan 17, 2010 10:52 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I feel your pain
and…someone needs to take Cody out to the woodshed for these damn bacon pics
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jan 17, 2010 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
"I saw something nasty in the woodshed!"
by peach concrete on Jan 17, 2010 11:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Nice ref to
Cold Comfort Farm. Yes, I am a man, a manly man. But I prefer romantic comedies, slight English films (into which category this one falls), and films with Gwynneth Paltrow, Kate Beckinsale, Nicole Kidman or Kate Winslet.
There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 17, 2010 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
there's no way I'm going to be killed off like you were a couple of months ago.
I have bacon on my side.
I am the Batman
sorry kid, but hating bacon is the new bacon
by peach concrete on Jan 17, 2010 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
I read it.
Hating bacon is the new bacon.
by peach concrete on Jan 17, 2010 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
i am the bacon neutral
I like it in the morning with my eggs, a base for the Holy Trinity, and maybe a sandwich if I am low on meat. That is all.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 17, 2010 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
i don't think anyone would mind if you did that
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
try coming up with some new ones
and remember to moderate them dude
moderation is the key to life
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Amen to that
Enough with the fucking bacon. It’s not funny, it’s not clever, and we’re not even seeing pictures for the first time anymore. It’s run it’s course, now it’s just spam. Please stop.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
You clearly can't take a hint
or a massive fanpost from one of the moderators with over 400 posts in it saying “STOP POSTING PICTURES OF BACON, IN PARTICULAR THE ONE WITH THE BACON GUN”. I don’t really see how it can get much more explicit than that.
And I LIKE bacon.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 18, 2010 5:52 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Dude, there is an "off-topic and other stuff" thread in the current fanposts list
we REALLY need to post this sort of stuff over there. I have no problem with random conversations and stupid gifs (in fact, I LIKE both aspects of the site) but we really need to try to stick to baseball and (at least) baseball-based memes/crap in the main threads. Pretty-please?
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 18, 2010 5:54 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Leach up with a new post...
Skip avoiding a hearing
Holliday going clean
Rasmus getting fit
Freese getting chiseled, when he’s not getting hammered
How bout dem Jets? You’re the guy who violently detests handegg, right?
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
well I am shocked how well shonn greene is doing
it’s sucks though that he left Iowa last year, we would have been so much better with him.
I am the Batman
Now you're getting into it...
I knew you liked handegg after all.
I actually don’t want to talk about it though. I went under on NO-Arizona and over on SD-NY.
Stay away from the over-unders. It’s like insurance in blackjack – everyone knows this, but I still get sucked in.
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
Ok well let's hope skip signs away all his arb years for something like 3M/per.
Then we can cross our fingers that he learns power from Big Mac and improves defensively.
I am the Batman
Thank God
The Colts can’t beat the Chargers to save their life. Im sure Peyton would like some payback :)
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
come on dude, you gotta use some restraint man
please don’t ruin it for everyone
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
For all you insomniacs
Games 3,4, and 5 of the 06 WS are on again from now until the wee hours of the morning to pull you through the night.
You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all.
-- Earl Weaver
by Smokin Turkeys on Jan 17, 2010 11:36 PM EST reply actions
man, i am really ready for some baseball
a month and a half until the first ST game
i hope are more games on mlb.tv than last year
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
The Roids
Now with Big Mac finally admitting what we all knew, just waiting for the comformation on it, whats next? I love Big Mac, and he made baseball enjoyable once again. But seeing that he juiced up for the faithful summer, whats next? People need to probe the white Sammy Sosa now. I know his confession more than likely ruined his chance completly for the HOF, but its out in the open now. I am upset that the year I get back in baseball, was a “fake year” and I sadly agree with the Marris family when they say they want the 61 homer year to stand. That was legit, juice free baseball. So I wish Big Mac the best this year, but with his image offically tarnished, good luck getting any player to take you seriously.
Tim
the players love mcgwire...
way to stay on top of things
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Jan 18, 2010 4:03 AM EST up reply actions
Who exactly is
the “white” Sammy Sosa? Are you talking about McGwire? Because it seems like that’s all the press has been doing this past week, “probing” him. Also, if you don’t know how to spell Roger Maris’ last name, I’m not sure I can subject myself to any more of your posts.
There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Jan 18, 2010 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
HA! Great photoshop job
did vexedtechie help you with that???
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 19, 2010 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
entirely real.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Mmmm the Jimmy Edmonds comeback
Actually, I really would like to give him at least a roster invite if not more. If not only to mentor Colby in the ways of clutch and eye-grabbing catches.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

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