Notes: or, the last time I mention Mark McGwire, at least this week
Now that we are done talking about Mark McGwire the historical figure, let me just say that it was exciting to hear this from a hitting coach:
McGwire described how ready he is now to get to spring training and begin working with the Cardinals hitters. He has been reviewing video of some of the hitters, and he's been preparing some ways to get his message across. During the session Wednesday with Schumaker and Ryan, he stressed what he usually stresses: Direct line to the pitch. Consistent swing mechanics (even when there is no intent to swing at, say, a ball out of the strike zone). And, especially with Ryan, keeping the forearm and bat in a right angle longer and through the ball.
After the past two days, McGwire sees little to distract him from his new vocation.
Someone—maybe me, eventually, but I haven't started yet—will eventually determine whether Hal McRae's connection with the free-swinging Cardinals of the last few years is justified. But this quote is just about all I want in a hitting coach—a comfort with video, a determination that hitting can and must be systematically taught, and ideas. Obviously McRae was at a disadvantage, here, when it comes to having his ideas covered in multi-day interviews by the Post-Dispatch. But
(This is also, incidentally, why I believe that McGwire honestly does not believe that steroids had a significant effect on counting stats beyond games played: the usual boilerplate about steroids not swinging the bat for you or improving your hand-eye coordination is accompanied, here, by an alternate theory to which he's apparently held for the past fifteen years.)
McGwire's seriousness about hitting is no guarantee of success, but given the choice between a Dave Duncan type, with an obvious guiding philosophy that I might sometimes disagree with, and a Hal McRae type—and with no guarantee of quality in either direction—I'll take the Duncan every time. Remind me of this, please, when McGwire is turning Anthony Reyes into a groundball hitter.
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Jose Valverde came and went as news over the course of yesterday, which makes this an odd, valedictory notes item, but even if Valverde himself—I can't get behind giving up a draft pick for him, even though he is a perfectly good second-tier closer—isn't the choice I think he's representative of a certain understandable Ryan Franklin angst.
But the more I think about it the more I'm ready for the possibility that the Cardinals enter the season without outside bullpen help. Don't get me wrong: I see no downside to signing Kiko Calero, and I have no idea why nobody's done it yet. But after looking at the remaining free agents—I used this list—I realized that if Ryan Franklin were a free agent available on an affordable one year deal I would probably be writing similar things about him, anyway.
When you don't watch his seasons day after day—when you don't watch him look picture-perfect for two months fully aware that there will come a time at some point in the season where every swing is a line drive in some direction, and the hope is that someone, a fan or a fielder, is prepared to catch them before they hit teeth—it looks like he's adjusted pretty well to the relief role. And as frustrating as he is, even more frustrating than the average closer, he has.
So my hope, if the Cardinals don't go the exceedingly obvious Calero route or the less obvious and possibly cringe-inducing Valverde route, is this: that they get as many possible Ryan Franklins in camp as possible. Former starters? Failed prospects? Eric Gagne, most recently a starter in the Canadian-American league? I want all of them. My favorite guys in this last tier, at this very moment, are ROOGYs, because I recall with a certain hindsight-drenched fondness the way that La Russa used Russ Springer. The real Russ Springer is available, but may cost real money; Brendan Donnelly and former super-ROOGY Chad Bradford are also floating around.
If this sounds like I've lowered my expectations... well, I have. I'm content with a possible Jason Motte recovery remaining the major bullpen acquisition of the offseason. But I'd like some more guys to talk about in February, if nothing else.
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I thought this was pretty interesting: Carlos Beltran underwent knee surgery without the Mets' consent. There's a line, I think, running between this and Mark McGwire's recent steroid admission—players operating within their own self-interest, attempting to get the most out of what is an extremely limited, terrifyingly short career.
Of all the things in McGwire's statements I could empathize most with that, his worry about losing his physical gifts right as he began retooling his swing. Baseball players peak around 27; McGwire was already 29, having lost a year to injury, when he decided that he'd been swinging wrong, and approaching the game incorrectly, for his entire life. Carlos Beltran is 33.
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I agree on the comfort that McGwire
is beginning to inspire in me in his ability to coach hitters. Hitting is, or perhaps should be, a type of repetitive motion sort of thing and I think approaching it in that guise is completely called for.
NO VALVERDE!!!! The Cards are not in the position to be giving up any more draft picks for the foreseeable future. StL is going to have some extra picks this year and they need to make the absolute most of them. They, with absolute certainty, cannot be willing to surrender any, at all.
I have plenty faith in Duncan’s ability to make someone (provided they are old and washed up) into a presentable reliever.
The Mets… the Mets. Maybe Beltran will be ready to go at full strength early, even if not the beginning, but still… the Mets. Wow.
They say sing while you slave but I just get bored
Signing Valverde...
May not be that bad of an idea if the price is right. He’s by far the best reliever available and perhaps his cost will be cheaper due to the draft pick, if we offer him a 1-year deal with the stipulation we won’t offer arbitration.
If we turn around and spend the money saved on the international market the affect on our farm system would probably be negligible. We already have two top 50 draft picks that may hardly be any lower than our 1st rounder since we placed so highly last season, so the cost isn’t THAT great.
Granted it’s fairly high, but there are a number of factors to look at in making a move like this.
The Cardinals team looks very good right now and they may not have a better chance than this year or next year to win a World Series during the length of Pujols’ and Holliday’s tenure with the team, so grabbing Valverde now makes all the sense in the world.
Of course if you feel you can get similar performance by signing Kiko Calero and Russ Springer or something by all means do that, but the Cardinals bullpen would look MUCH MUCH better with a guy they can count on to be great when he’s in the game, and they don’t have anyone who really fits that bill right now.
Y'know, you bring up a good point. . .
albeit in reverse. Why not sign Valverde to a 1 year deal with the idea that when you let him walk in a year (if you do), you get hte pick then? Sure, there’s the risk that he’s no longer a Type A, and given his experience this offseason, maybe he insists on not being offered arby, but if you don’t give that stipulation, I’d pay him market (at least in this depressed market).
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 14, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
The point of the one year deal
Is to remove his arbitration tag.
Teams that have large payrolls still don’t want to spend on Valverde because they are giving up a draft pick.
So, a team signs him to a cheap one-year deal below his market value and agrees not to offer arbitration. Then, Valverde can become a free agent with the draft pick looming over him and will be free to sign a multi-year deal to the highest bidder at his market price.
I doubt Valverde will ever accept a 1-year offer unless the price is exorbitant without an agreement that the team signing him will not offer him arbitration for the next season. He’s looking for that last big deal, wanting to cash in one more time before his career ends, and he’s having a harder time getting it because teams don’t want to pay the draft pick cost.
To be honest it seems like a pretty weird system, to me; it punishes a player for playing well and earning himself Type A status since teams will subtract the cost of that draft pick from what they’re willing to pay the player. This is especially a big problem for relievers like Valverde; the system used to decide Type A status really overvalues them.
hitting coach
i agree that at this point he looks like he could be a pretty good coach; the only thing i wonder about there is whether mcgwire could be like a ted williams, who had trouble coaching because it was not easy for him to understand why a player couldnt do it like he did; hopefully mcgwire can be better at reaching guys
another question i have about the hitting coach situation: is mike aldrete still around? i havent heard his name mentioned this offseason
OT: do not sign valverde; we need that draft pick
Pujols is the greatest Cardinal in my lifetime.
agree
I find these comments terrifying. If there’s one thing I’ve learned from watching the MLB it’s that the philosophy of one correct swing that we were taught in little league/ high school baseball is false (see Vladimir Geurrero/ Kevin Youklis/Gary Gaetti et al) .
I’m really worried that his philosophy is going to involve him trying to retool everyones swings. Plate discipline is one thing… timing mechanisms are another (see Matt Holliday)
by mr banana grabber on Jan 14, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
that would be my more rational reason for fearing a change in Boog's pre-swing routine.
Though we never have figured out what exactly Boog is timing, there…
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
true
I guess I just worry about it more with McGwire because he is a guy who hit one way, then changed his career-long philosophy and saw results. I think a guy like that is more likely to believe that there is one swing to rule them all (BAZINGGGG) rather than someone who can evaluate swings objectively …
by mr banana grabber on Jan 14, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
well if he can teach everyone a dingers swing
and they all are able to master it, i couldn’t care less if the guys looked like a synchronized swimming team at the plate, as long as it results in MOAR DINGERS
AKA RALLY KILLERS
You may run like Hayes, but you hit like shit.
by flipthebird on Jan 14, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
NO BOOG, STOP AT FIRST.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Rapstar was the one who should stop at first
and suckston was supposed to stop at second
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
From what I've read (and maybe I'm not understanding)
he appears to be saying that the bat getting to the ball in a certain way is best. He doesn’t appear to be saying there is only one way to do this. He appears to have the idea that however you do that is good for you as long the bat is getting to the ball that way. For some people that may mean changing their current swing but I don’t think Mac thinks everyone should swing like him. At least that’s not the impression I get.
And someone said that Matt Holliday wanted to change his leg kick and Mac didn’t initiate this. That comment appeared to go largely unnoticed so I have no idea if it’s true or not but in that case you couldn’t blame Mac for taking that out if that is what his student was asking him to do.
I’m more worried about the media making stupid accusations if our once below average hitters start improving. I think we all know what I mean. This would make me unbelievably angry and I don’t get angry that easily.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Jan 14, 2010 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
you're right about the leg kick thing
And I share your same concerns re what happens when our offense inevitably gets better.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
you won't like her when she's angry
just remind yourself they didn’t notice how bad McRae was, so they can’t be that smart.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
Good points
All in all, I’m confident Mac won’t try too hard to fix what isn’t broke.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
can't deny physics when it comes to the best way to put the bat to the ball
since players are of different height, weight, posture, arm length etc, the swing will be different for everyone but, if mastered, will (should) result in the same thing. i think Mac is smart enough to realize that (if i just did, then he definitely will)
and if our below average hitters suddenly improve, i still think the media would look really stupid starting to suggest things. unless lean muscle boog all of a sudden packs on biceps that won’t fit in a regular t-shirt’s sleeves, i think we’re in the clear
careful
unless lean muscle boog all of a sudden packs on biceps that won’t fit in a regular t-shirt’s sleeves
that was last year. on the advice of the coaches.
it’s kind of… problematic that Tony retains a huge portion of his coaching staff from place to place. if someone wants to go digging, don’t get me wrong, they’re stirring it. but there’s a lot to dig up.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
And what if Colby doesn't lose all that weight he did last year?
They’ll take pictures from the end of this and pictures from how he looks at the time and start saying stuff. It is really going to upset me.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Jan 14, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
you know there's always going to be some idiot
don’t let it get to you
and if they start running their mouths, then they can line up outside the locker room 162 times with a bag full of urine sample cups and test away. but then i would expect the same thing from the dodgers, yankees and every club that has someone on their team or staff linked to steroids. because everything else would be harassment
But that's thing they Yankees, the Red Sox, even the Dodgers get free passes.
It’s hypocritical and stupid and nothing upsets me more than someone being stupid and making baseless claims because they have the power to ruin someone.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Jan 14, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
then arm yourself with a rebuttal
come on… it’s fun.
(we’ll corrupt you yet.)
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
That's easy show them a picture of him from ST last season.
They won’t care though.
I mean I’m not going to go on some crazy rampage, I’ll just be annoyed.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Jan 14, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
hehehe
you said “butt”.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 15, 2010 8:10 AM EST up reply actions
have some hot chocolate and keep telling yourself
there’s idiots everywhere
there’s idiots everywhere
the older you get, the less you’ll care about what other people have to say or think about you or things you care about
besides, i find few things more stimulating and fun than a good old smart discussion backed by facts. if they have no proof, they got nothing
Everyone seems to think I am going to cry about this every day or something.
I get it, people are stupid. I don’t like that stupid people are given the power to ruin someone. I’ll just be annoyed and probably will not say a thing at all about it and move on.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Jan 14, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
no, i get it
i have a short fuse and get annoyed by stuff like that every day
i yell at the tv alot – it’s fun
i can't even remember the last time I raised my voice
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 14, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
I rarely get angry
I tend to internalize alot, but it doesn’t really build up too much. If my friends ever see me get really angry, they know something must have really pissed me off.
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 14, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
Word
The only time is yell is if I’m playing sports, and that’s (almost) always motivation or direction for my own teammates.
People are too damn tense. Everyone needs to just relax. Anger isn’t productive.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
i talk so much trash when I play sports
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 14, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
I run my mouth when I'm drunk
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 14, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
But never in an angry way, just trying to be funny
Sometimes, complete strangers don’t find the humor in me insulting them, go figure
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 14, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
same problem
fortunately, I’ve only ended in the hospital with a skull fracture once
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
That's once more than me
/knock on wood
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 14, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
is this what they call unclenching?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
i get really mad no less than 5 time a day
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
That's because you're discussing a hypothetical
situation that will hypothetically make you upset.
Now with extra feisty!
...for the Hall of Fame
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
by STLRegalia on Jan 14, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Don't cry CGirly ... here ...
get a bacon tattoo…
http://www.cherrybombed.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/BaconStripsTattoo1.jpg
by QuadCitiesCardsFan on Jan 14, 2010 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
i just ate 7 pieces of the glorious bacons
i feeeeeel goooooooooooood
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
+1
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
"in the clear"
Pun intended?
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 14, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
Let them whine
while the Cards take a team OPS+ of 140 to the playoffs and pass the drug screens.
Baseball Fever....WPS!
I suspect Valverde might be the single best potential addition left on the FA market
simply because the other possible upgradable (is that even a word?) spots have a fairly high floor – 5th starter, 3B and RH-2B-platoon-guy all have viable internal options, whilst Valverde would likely be kicking a likely replacement-level option out of the back of the bullpen door (Kinney, KMac, Hawk or someone).
That said, it’s very difficult to imagine us being competitive in a few years unless we hoard every draft pick we can lay our hands on, especially first rounders. Giving one up to a divisional rival seems even more foolhardy. I think adding a Kiko or a Springer to nail opposing right-handers, whilst adding a 5th starter/Felipe Lopez/Russ Branyan, and keeping that valuable pick makes more sense. Valverde is arguably the best “win now” move, but I’d like to win some in the future, too, please.
Regarding McGwire, I couldn’t agree more. One of the exciting things about this (admittedly rather poor) Cardinals offense is that there’s a lot of POTENTIAL there, in terms of production and, most specifically, getting on base. It just seemed, under McRae, that potential was going completely untapped, and the lack of any discernible plan other than “grip and rip” was concerning. I can’t remember a single Cardinal hitter in the last few years saying in an interview words to the effect “McRae’s really helped me iron out my swing” or “My approach at the plate is so much better now, after buying into the team’s way of thinking”.
Ryan Ludwick has put up a .380+ OBP before. Colby has been a patient, solid hitter in the minors. David Freese has an impressive AAA OBP (albeit somewhat BABIP-driven). If we don’t sign either Branyan or Lopez, we NEED someone to step forward and get on base at a “well-above-average” level. Putting guys like Ryan (who is unlikely to break a .350 OBP) and 2009-Colby ahead of the greatest hitter of His generation, is such a waste. Just think how many more runs we’d score if we could even have a man on base an extra 5% of the time when Pujols comes up to bat. Given our #2 spot only put up something like a .330 OBP last year, that should not only be attainable, but be a massive priority.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
An OBP guy in the 2 hole (Lopez) makes so much sense.
It just puts everyone in the lineup in a natural spot. Colby can hit sixth, where his speed and extra base pop are valuable in front of Molina’s singles from the 7 hole. And Ryan can hit 8 or 9, because his bat doesn’t belong at the top of the lineup against anyone but lefties.
Most importantly, it means Albert and Holliday hit with runners on more often.
As for Valverde, why not Dotel? He doesn’t cost a draft pick, and he’s still striking out well over a batter per inning while posting decent FIPs in the AL.
by pitchingandefense on Jan 14, 2010 9:00 AM EST up reply actions
I don't mind Dotel
but he’s basically the same pitcher as Calero (high K, slightly ropey control, much better vs righties than lefties), and I suspect Calero comes in a little bit cheaper. But yeah, Dotel would be fine, and his “closer experience” is maybe worth, I dunno, something (mainly the fact that I think TLR would have a shorter leash for Franklin as closer if he had Dotel as a set-up guy, whilst I’m not sure the same would be true with Kiko – that is at least a small advantage).
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 14, 2010 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
Good point on Motte
If we can generously assume he had a fluky HR/FB last year, it should regress and keep fewer balls from leaving the yard and, as a result, have fewer hearts sinking every time someone hits a fly ball off him. Add to that the hope that his K/9 settles somewhere between his 2008 number (13.09 K/9 – and i understand this was an extraordinarily small sample size) and his 2009 number (8.58 K/9), then his improvement would be a great addition to the bullpen, and one that I’d be comfortable with in spelling Franklin, if not fully taking over at some point.
I guess that’s a lot of assuming and hoping though.
The problem with Motte
and I’m surprised no-one’s really noted or mentioned this, is that he’s a ROOGY. Not that there’s anything wrong with that, but he’s best in the Russ Springer role, at least until he figures out a pitch that can get major league lefties out.
He has an OPS-against of .885 against lefties so far in his MLB career (114 PAs). Now, maybe that’s partly luck-driven (his BABIP is quite high), but when you’re basically turning every left-handed hitter you face into Adam Dunn, that’s pretty awful.
A straight, 4-seam fastball, even a very quick one, from a right handed pitcher, over the plate, is going to be quite an easy pitch for major league left-handers to make contact with, and (when they do) hit quite hard. I think Motte’s one good pitch is good enough to get righties behind in the count, and try to put them away with his dodgy breaking-ball-thing and/or more heaters, but I just don’t think it’s an effective strategy, at all, against good lefties, and I imagine most MLB managers will be well aware of that and just throw all their best lefty pinch-hitters into the fray if/when Motte comes out to pitch the 9th inning with a small lead.
Personally, I’d really like Motte to learn a split-finger pitch. I think with his pace and delivery it’s a pitch that’d work well for him, without having to learn to do anything too complex with his fingers or grip (correct me if I’m wrong, pitching gurus – although I realise he probably needs long fingers to grip the ball well and be good at the SF, so it might be a moot point). I’m just not sure there’s someone in the org who can teach/coach that pitch, as I can’t think of a single other cardinal who’s used it, majors or minors, for years. That is perhaps one of the potential advantages of signing Smoltz – could he take Motte under his wing and teach him the splitter?
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 14, 2010 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
Motte's Stats vs. Lefties
I just looked at his vs. LH numbers, and while they are all not so good, his BABIP and HR/9 are absolutely ridiculous (in a bad way). Sure there might be some bad luck in those numbers, but point well taken. Any way to see something like what his LD% is against lefties, i.e. see how bad he is getting mashed by them and how much we can say those numbers are bad luck? Fangraphs, as far as i can see, doesn’t have that.
Also, i agree that a splitter would help a great deal; a (good) change-up wouldn’t be a bad pitch for him to add either.
by tireinhardt6 on Jan 14, 2010 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
LD numbers are meaningless, IMHO
I really don’t think the scorers differentiate well between line-drives and hard hit GB, and I think basically all hard-hit ropes deep into the OF are counted as FB. There’s also differences between scorers in different stadiums (i.e. the Busch scorer may have a much lower threshold for calling something a LD than the guy who does it in Fenway, or something). Especially in just 100-odd PAs, I can’t really see that it’d be very descriptive at all.
He has a BABIP of .375 vs lefties, which is crazily high, but even if you knock down a lot of the GB that might be luckily turning into singles, he’s still probably giving up an OPS in the high .700s, which ain’t very good. I’m not actually sure where you find HR/FB stats broken up by split.
His BB/K ratio is much worse against lefties (although it’s still perfectly adequate at 2.27, but if he’s giving up HR at a higher than normal rate, which I expect he will, judging by his figures so far, and judging by the fact that his stock pitch is a right-handed 4-seam fastball that often seems to pound the zone, his FIP is never going to be very good at that rate).
I’m by no means saying any of this is conclusive, but just that the limited statistical evidence, plus the evidence of watching the guy pitch against lefties, plus the fact that he’s a righty with no off-speed pitch who pounds the zone with 4-seamers, suggest to me that Jason Motte is not a good pitcher at all against left-handed hitters.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 14, 2010 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
second pitch, Mottie. SECOND. PITCH.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
If Motte could pick up a second pitch,
it would be like trading for a top tier back of the rotation guy, without giving anything up.
* is an Asshat
you know...
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
You know, RR
It really would be.
"I believe he’s been reincarnated, that he played before, in the twenties and thirties, and he’s back to prove something." - Former teammate Mark McGwire about Albert Pujols
Is that necessarily true?
IIRC and maybe I dont, wasnt Motte’s fastball down considerably in 09 versus 08? I dont know the website to check his fastball average (i know there is one out there that posters reference) but I would be interested to see the detail. If he is throwing low 90s (91-94) rather than upper 90s (96-99) then obviously he will not be as effective.
Mo, you can trade anything of mine.
I think his fastball speed was inconsistent.
There were times when he was above 95 and times when 91 was his top speed in an outing.
Regardless, I think a decent second offering would make him better. I do believe he has that mid 90’s gas still in the tank.
"I believe he’s been reincarnated, that he played before, in the twenties and thirties, and he’s back to prove something." - Former teammate Mark McGwire about Albert Pujols
don't forget the goggles / no-goggles split...
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
Why?
Im not being dismissive but why do you think Motte still has it in the tank? Im curious, i hope youre right but it wouldnt surprise me that he never regains that blazing fastball (96-100) and consistently sits at 92ish.
Mo, you can trade anything of mine.
he was told to keep that blazing fastball unhittable
hence the reduction in speed.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
Fangraphs has his avg. fastball
at 95.9 mph for 2009. Incidentally, it also says that he threw a couple splitters last year and what looks something like two change ups.
by tireinhardt6 on Jan 14, 2010 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
Fangraphs...good to know
So he was right there with his fastball. nevermind.
Mo, you can trade anything of mine.
Awesome.
Yeah he still has the 95+ in the back pocket
"I believe he’s been reincarnated, that he played before, in the twenties and thirties, and he’s back to prove something." - Former teammate Mark McGwire about Albert Pujols
you gotta wonder
if Motte was taking something off the FB in order to be more accurate with it at times. Then towards the end of the year simply cut it loose a bit more. No idea if the stats would back that up though.
by tireinhardt6 on Jan 14, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
You know
This is anecdotal, but it appear that way when I saw Motte pitch in our interleague series vs Detroit.
He gave up a HR on a pitch that registered 91 on the stadium gun to Polanco. Certainly looked like he was steering the fastball a bit in that entire inning.
"I believe he’s been reincarnated, that he played before, in the twenties and thirties, and he’s back to prove something." - Former teammate Mark McGwire about Albert Pujols
yeah
and towards the end of the year his velocity was up again (which, oddly, coincided with a bit more effectiveness from what i recall). He had a couple of outings in the middle of the year when it was really down and he got torched. I think he still hits 96-97 comfortably and can reach back for 98-99.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 14, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
he also lost the goggles.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
I seem to recall
we were thinking he was fooling around with a splitter after Kaiser Smoltze was signed. There were a couple late season appearances where he sparingly used a breaking ball that looked suspiciously splitter-like, with the late sharp drop. Not all of them had the nice drop, and it didn’t look like he commanded it that well.
I would bet his average fastball this year was above 92
"I believe he’s been reincarnated, that he played before, in the twenties and thirties, and he’s back to prove something." - Former teammate Mark McGwire about Albert Pujols
here's his regular season last appearance on VEB
It’s that thread and a couple of threads down to joker’s assessment.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
Motte and the splitter
I’ve been advocating that since he came up to the big leagues — he definitely needs that pitch. The more I talk to pitching aficionados though, the more I find out why more big leaguers don’t throw it:
- You need extremely long fingers to grip the ball properly for this pitch
- You need great finger dexterity and flexibility to fit the ball in properly between the fingers without straining the forearm and elbow. Legend has it that Ron Darling could fit a SOFTBALL in between his index and middle fingers.
While it doesn’t require any great change in arm or wrist action and the release point is exactly the same, it’s a very difficult pitch to develop because of these issues. It’s possible that some pitchers simply can’t throw it effectively because they lack the proper size of hands or finger dexterity to do so.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Yeah, I was aware of the finger thing, mentioned above - that's perhaps a reason why he's not considered it
although I do think it’s probably an under-used pitch in the majors – few pitchers use it, so there’s few guys who coach it or can give advice, so few pitchers take it up. I wonder if it’s not a vicious circle to some extent. It may be moot and he may not have the hands to do it, but it’d still be nice to have a guy (Smoltz) in the org who may be able to show him how to grip it and give some advice about controlling it etc. I also think, as you said, that it might be quite an easy pitch for him to learn IF he’s able to do it because it requires very few other adjustments.
I agree with whoever said that a changeup would be a good pitch for him, too. I’m not sure why coaches seem to be transfixed with trying to get hard-throwing guys to develop sliders. I don’t think Motte is too comfortable with the breaking stuff so it wouldn’t be a bad idea to try another route. That said, I guess it’s difficult at the major league level. I’d maybe take the path of least resistance (if the splitter isn’t possible), and let him pitch against 90% RHBs with his 4-seamer/slidey-thing arsenal. At least the slider looked to be getting a LITTLE bit better towards the end of the year.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 14, 2010 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
I also think, anecdotally
that the splitter is an injury-inducing pitch.
Changeups are very easy to teach and throw, IMHO, and for someone who throws his fastball as hard as Motte, the changeup doesn’t have to be quite as good, either in the similarity to the fastball delivery or the movement, to throw off a hitter’s timing.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 14, 2010 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
if only the organisation didn't have an allergy to off-speed pitches!
other than the occasional ace who uses it as a 3rd or 4th pitch (Carp), I can’t think of anyone in the org who uses a changeup other than as an occasion “different look” to lefties, with the exception of Blake Hawksworth.
Actually, on second thoughts, I think Garcia has an average-ish change. That’s about it, though…
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 14, 2010 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
Wainwright's got a decent one...
but he doesn’t throw it all too much.
by tireinhardt6 on Jan 14, 2010 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
Wainer's got to have better pitch selection, imo
he can’t keep looking over at Yadi and hoping 06 will replay itself after the first 90 pitches. he’s obviously getting there, but he still needs some polish.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
pitchers still have the final say
obviously. I forget now, which pitch it was of his that was really good — and he just wouldn’t throw it. I think Yadi also calls games to a pitcher’s comfort level more and more, lately … hence the bizarre strategies with Franklin.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
ah yes
forgot little red riding peej. Very good change with supposed screwball-type movement. Can’t see him doing much with that crappy fastball and sub-par control, though. He’s a guy I’ve thought they should move to the pen for a while – if he can gain 2-3mph on the heater and use his change as the main out pitch, I wonder if he couldn’t be effective in the bigs.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 14, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
poor little red riding peej
always thrown into the fire. I gotta look up the minor league playoffs, I think they did it to him there too.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
oh, sorry. metaphor fail.
thrown to the wolves
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
Motte and Split Finger
Wasnt this discuss last year and it was discovered that Motte’s fingers were not long enough to throw a splitter?
Mo, you can trade anything of mine.
I remember a lot of us
hoping that Smotzl would teach him one. Don’t remember anything about tiny hands.
* is an Asshat
I'd like to interrupt this thread with a link to an awesome thread
And the preface that I found out later that Boog has, apparently, pitched before.
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2009/11/5/1116945/what-the-cardinals-can-take-from#23941986
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
i've wondered about that before
i knew he has pitched but i don’t know if TLR or Dunc ever tried him out to see if he’s got good stuff. if he does, he’d be the perfect closer, since, it seems, he’s immune to stress and anxiety
you're kidding, yeah?
Boog’s a bundle of anxiety. Don’t get fooled by his light demeanor, you can tell when he’s tired or frustrated or angry with himself.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
no, I got to say I have a different read on him.
he’s not “immune” to stress and anxiety. he’s documented to be rather hard on himself. I mean if you’ve ever seen it live, he explodes – at himself. that’s not the temperament of a pitcher, even for three batters.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
maybe scaring the crap out of them
could also be a successful strategy :)
i understand he’s got a legitimate problem but there’s ways to get it under control. but you’re probably right.
at least he’s no khalil greene
just to be clear, I wasn't talking about his twitches
Brendan is an entirely different flavor of crazy than Motte.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
We'd have to watch Motte not only do his Mound Troll- Stalking thing he does, but also
shake his glove to disguise the getting into splitter grip.
I miss the Mound Stalking of 08
he’s gotten progressively less crazy. it’s sad.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
The problem with the split,
is that it has been more or less replaced with various kinds of changeups- changeups that move at similar speeds and with similar movement. Thus, even though it’s a bit under exposed as itself, batters are definitely seeing pitches with similar movement. Also, if you’ve tried to throw one, a splitter is very difficult to control because it can come loose as you accelerate your arm if your fingers aren’t long and strong enough- I’m not sure Motte would be able to just pick one up, and his short-armed throwing style might not accommodate it.
That said, the splitter (or a changeup) is an excellent pitch to cut down on platoon problems because it can move away from opposite-handed batters in a similar fashion to the way a slider moves away from (and makes fools out of) same-handed batters.
I think Motte would be well served to start throwing a cutter, myself, but then again I think the cutter is the best under-utilized pitch in the league. The grip is simple (just an offset fastball grip can produce a cutter), unlike the grip for a split, and it’s not hell on your elbow in the way a slider is.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
I agree with everything said here.
The cutter thing is an excellent point, although Motte doesn’t throw a lot of two seam fastballs, and that’s the grip you would need to offset to throw a cutter, correct? Maybe he doesn’t know where his two seamer is going?
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
You can
…but you can also offset a four-seamer, I think. I had heard from some of the pitching guys I’ve met through the years that Mo’s was thrown with an offset 4-seam, and if you google his name and look at pictures of him throwing that would appear how the ball is gripped in many of them. I think the key is that the pitcher throw the “outer-third” of the ball.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 14, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
so Carp will
take him to the staircase, put the ball in a big samsonite and luggage away?
yeah, that should teach him
I remember
growing up outside NY and watching Mets games and seeing the pitchers literally shoving a softball between their index and middle fingers. I don’t remember who it was exactly, but that would give support to the Darling legend. From that team, David Cone threw a nasty splitter as well.
by tireinhardt6 on Jan 14, 2010 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
I think a changeup
could do the same thing for Motte, if he couldn’t manage the split finger.
"I believe he’s been reincarnated, that he played before, in the twenties and thirties, and he’s back to prove something." - Former teammate Mark McGwire about Albert Pujols
I keep thinking about an activated Mark McGwire pinch hitting in the playoffs
Busch would erupt.
Anyway, one of the things about 2010 I look forward to is simple improvement from places I think it’s reasonable to expect. If we are reasonably sure that Ludwick’s true talent is somewhere between his adequate 2009 and his awesome 2008, and Colby should improve, and our 3B production can’t be much worse (can it?) then our offense might pleasantly surprise just from some regression. Holliday and Albert are the studs. Schu has been pretty reliable in the majors so far, and I think Molina has really impressed with how far he’s come. If Boog learns to take some walks and hit some dingers we’re set!
To avoid jinxing the entire damn season, this comment will self-destruct in 5, 4, 3….
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I was wondering this earlier today
is it not possible, now he’s admitted the roids, that if the Cards tried to activate him as an actual player on the roster, he would be suspended by MLB for a period of time (probably longer than Manny’s 60 games as he admitted to the crime, and admitted it was for performance-enhancing purposes)? I think that makes the whole PH thing a major can of worms. Personally, I’d be dead against it.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 14, 2010 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
Mac as a pinch hitter in the playoffs
is about as likely as was Ankiel pitching in a tight spot in last year’s playoffs. Even without the roids admission.
Read: not at all.
by arch support on Jan 14, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
an interesting fan counterpoint
literally. Well, here I am with a rebuttal to a retort to the responses.
unless we’re still at the emotional-responses-preceding-catharsis portion of the program, in which case wait a few days before reading.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
They can't suspend him
He has to fail a test for banned substances in order to suspend him. Similar to the fact that the FBI can’t prosecute him because the statute of limitations has run out, even though he’s admitted guilt.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Nope
Ex post facto suspension. It’s illegal in the United States for the government to make a law and then convict someone of that crime before it was the law. Of course, MLB is a private industry and so those rules don’t exactly apply, but if they tried to suspend Mac or any other pre-testing user they’d still probably be in a world of hurt with MLBPA or in a civil case.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 14, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
CURSE YOU AMERICANS
and your “laws”!!!!!!
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 15, 2010 8:13 AM EST up reply actions
I had a dream last night that McGwire PH in Game 1 of the World Series at New Yankee Stadium,
and that he homered off of Joba.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
i never have dreams like that
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
it's never too soon for those
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
hey, wait a minute
thats not fun at all…if you cant trust a robot who in the hell can you trust?
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
by nomar34 on Jan 14, 2010 9:13 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Whenever I hear
or read “Cardinals,” “Ryan Frankline,” “after a career year,” and “extension” in the same same sentence, it bodes ill.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
not just after
in the middle of! because obviously he was going to continue to pitch way over his head.
and wasn't it when he was starting to throw like the 2008 Ryan Franklin when the extension was announced
“Hey, It looks like he is sliding back, let’s give him an extension!”
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
it was literally
right after the extension that he started flailing. i think it messed with his head
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
yup.
let’s not revise history … like Albert’s slump being caused by the Home Run Derby.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
that should be a +1
see why I like the numbers. numbers aren’t sarcastic.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
that makes more sense. Sometimes my memory is tottally inaccurate.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Yeah I think Mo is a pretty decent GM
But the Lohse and Franklin contracts are inexplicable. Lohse’s is far worse of course, but when you have a fairly limited payroll you simply cannot just toss 2 years and $6.5M around like a bunch of beanbags. And you especially cannot do that when the receiver of said contract is in the middle of the year of his lifetime at the age of 36.
Fun fact on Franklinstein: His HR/FB rate last year was 3.2%. THREE POINT TWO PERCENT! Wow. Unless his half-win fastball and half-win cutter are just motherlovin’ brick-balls (cuz they’re heavy and sink and stuff), that isn’t sustainable!
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 14, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
wait, when did bill adopt F?
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
I'm pretty sure no-one since the 1930s
has sustained a 3.2HR/FB long-term.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 15, 2010 8:14 AM EST up reply actions
Don't hate on me
Anyone think AnK and Big Mac could work together and improve the whoosh factor? If anyone could benefit from a “straight line to the ball” approach, it would be Dick. I know he stunk last year. I tore a rotator cuff throwing things after many of his ABs. But, he has so much potential, and his story is amazing. Plus, we need OF bench help and a left handed bat. Should be a cheap contract after that 2009 show.
SD
I think he and Boras are still aiming for a stating gig somewhere
I’m glad to see Ankiel go somewhere else (which I think is safe to assume) but I have to admit I’m probably going to follow what he does next year. I really want him to at least partially put it together.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
He needs
to stay otherwise my Ankiel jersey is a waste just like my JD Drew jersey was when I bought it before we signed carlos baerga
Pujols takes out "I" in BIG and "A" in MAC, previously considered to be an unyielding, consonant threat
you gotta get yourself a jersey
of a player who is going to be around for awhile… you know, like for the next seven years or so.
by tireinhardt6 on Jan 14, 2010 8:44 AM EST up reply actions
I really wanted us to sign Holliday long-term when we traded for him last year for that reason
I want to splash out on a cards jersey and he’s always been one of my favourite non-cardinal players (although I was kinda against the trade and somewhat luke-warm on the length of the extension, although the non-analytical fan in me really likes both). Now, however, I’m not too sure.
I kinda think Albert’s too obvious, I really like Waino although I’ve always prefered Carp, but then Carp’s probably not here for much longer. I like Colby, but maybe not enough to get his jersey, and Yadi isn’t my favourite player (though I like him) so that probably wouldn’t be the choice. I’m more and more coming to the conclusion that it’s going to be Boog…
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 14, 2010 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
don't say thaaaat
i know Carp’s probably gone after 2011 but man does that suck
putting an expiration date on it is just horrible
If I'm buying a jersey
its going to be Wainwright’s. My favorite cardinal by far, just got to make sure to lock him up before/after this current contract is up.
by tireinhardt6 on Jan 14, 2010 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
I think we've got him until 2014
that’s plenty enough years for a pitcher, IMO.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 14, 2010 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
2013
but you’re right, that’s plenty of years. I suppose the locking him up thing is something that I wish I could do with him on my fantasy roster, which he has anchored for the past two years as a keeper (our league allows only three years of “keeper status” so this is it for me and Waino). I’d just hate to ever see him go to a team that isn’t mine, fantasy or real.
by tireinhardt6 on Jan 14, 2010 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
I thought he had an easy-achievable option in 2014?
I’ll check cots…
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 14, 2010 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
nope, you're right
the dual options are in 2012 and 2013. Still, four more years. That’s plenty of time. And how I do love that delicious, delicious team-friendly contract for our ace, keeping him through his peak years. Say it with me…
FOUR MORE YEARS! FOUR MORE YEARS!
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 14, 2010 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
Extend thru 2020!
It’s never too soon!
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
My rule on t-jerseys.
Only after an extension or contract of four or more years. So, I have an Edmonds, Pujols, Wainwright, and will soon have a Rasmus shirt.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
yeah...but that dick changed his number when he signed
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 14, 2010 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
McGwire not totally Honest about things...
(This is also, incidentally, why I believe that McGwire honestly does not believe that steroids had a significant effect on counting stats beyond games played: the usual boilerplate about steroids not swinging the bat for you or improving your hand-eye coordination is accompanied, here, by an alternate theory to which he’s apparently held for the past fifteen years.)
Dan, I don’t really mind this thinking because it takes us away from the “Steroids will make you awesome, but you shouldn’t do them” line of crap that has been spilling out of idiots mouths for years. It is about the same as “Pot is terrific, don’t use it kids” line of crap that has been spilling out of partents from my parents generations for years.
That said what McGwire said is a total line of shit intended on helping his Hall of Fame bid. As an admitted user and athelete, steroids will make you incrementally better. They defintely can make you 10-20% better. While this won’t turn Boog into McGwire, it could turn someone like Ludwick into one of the best power hitters in the league.
That said. I could care less about McGwire’s steroid use. I never had to forgive him because I never blamed him or the rest of the players of that era for doing anything that was truly detrimental to the game. McGwire and Sosa brought the game back to great heights after the low of the stupid ’94 strike, so what if the game had to give back some of those gains.
it's a shame we don't have HR/FB data for pre-steroidy Big Mac and post-steroidy Big Mac
I also thought the “it was only to keep me on the field, and I don’t think it improved my hitting, and it was only a liiiiittle bit of steroids” was a bit lame. Still, in all honesty, I don’t think I’m that bothered about the story itself – being relatively young in my Cardinals fandom, I was only kinda a casual observer during the HR chase, rather than a live-or-die fan, so i suppose it doesn’t have the same significance to me as a fan as it probably does to some of you whose fandom was kinda born in the late-90s.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 14, 2010 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
Wouldn't we have HR/FB rates?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
And McGwire
was much more candid than all of the other “stars” who “came clean.” Even though I’m certain he was holding some things back, at least he admitted to doing them during 1998, which is what I think most people were the most interested in.
Agree with you BJM.
If your box-within-a-box is in fact your comment and not a quote from someone else.
There was an exhausting thread two days ago about just how fishy Mac’s motivations were/weren’t.
But I’ve not been more excited about a Cardinals offense going into the season since 2005. How long ago that seems.
by arch support on Jan 14, 2010 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
he's the fox in the box.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 14, 2010 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
not the goat on the boat?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah...
…I can’t figure out what was with the box in the box thing.
by BigJawnMize on Jan 14, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
you got SBN'd
extra blockquote
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
So...
there only needs to be one block quote? If you want to quote something at the beginning of your comment, how do you get that to show in grey and the rest of the comment to appear as it normally would?
by BigJawnMize on Jan 14, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
You type in between the words blockquote
like so:
< blockquote >Quote< /blockquote >
I added spaces to demonstrate what it would look like.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Jan 14, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
Thats What...
…I thought. I actually did this but the second block quote didn’t have the “/” show up in it. As Yadi said: SBN’d
by BigJawnMize on Jan 14, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
I only brought it up...
…because Dan mentioned it again and I am starting to figure out why I have such a non-commital feelings about the whole thing.
by BigJawnMize on Jan 14, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
yah, we can't really throw stones.
Be glad no one knows the names of our players, or they’d realize a good chunk of the squad fits the “came back from a lot of injuries and performed brilliantly” profile, and jump all over that.
There’s a good chance I’m not recollecting fully, but I think only Brendan Ryan has (in the past) commented about steroid use directly. Not counting Albert, because the peanut gallery’s always going to dog him about it.
s’too bad. throwing stones is fun.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
the holidays are over!
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
alright, don't start that
other than his hammy from last season, all his injuries have been big time injuries
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
this topic has been discussed to death
but I just want to say, I think it’s fairly obvious his confession was NOT about the HOF, since he waited until after this year’s HOF vote to come out.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
Not ENTIRELY about the HoF vote.
One year for people to temper their feelings.
Now with extra feisty!
it's one of those that's what they want you to think so we'll do the opposite of what you think so you'll think it anyway
shrewd.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
So clearly, I cannot choose the cup that's in front of me.
Albertofstan.
F* Yeah!
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Jan 14, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Calcaterra has an interesting take on Tony's role in the McGwire mess..
Link here. The gist:
I actually agree with 90% of what La Russa says regarding McGwire in this interview. And I completely understand both the intellectual and emotional reasons for why he defends Mark McGwire. But for him to continue to claim that he had no idea what was happening in his clubhouse without anyone accusing him of incompetence, willful ignorance or tacit complicity is utterly baffling to me.
Free Melodi Dushane
well, we already know Tony's all three
I’m not sure why I should be more outraged, because I’ve spent about 13 years being outraged by Tony’s outrageous statements.
Now I’m mostly outraged by media types telling me to be outraged.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I hadn't really thought about the outrage issue the way that Calcaterra presented it.
His theory that a lot of the “moral outrage” about steroids is phony in order to pick on easy targets and play the sanctimonious card is pretty interesting. It is definitely one possible explanation for why so much of the heat has been avoided by the overseers.
Free Melodi Dushane
Tony's going to be in the hot seat longer than McGwire
He’s still working on his Hall of Fame career. Personally I’m of the opinion that Tony will get his over a longer period of time, so why be outraged today? We got lots of time.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with this wholeheartedly.
How everyone but the players who used PEDs gets by without criticism for incompetence, willful ignorance or tacit complicity is utterly baffling to me.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
let's light one under Bud, for one.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
The List:
- Every owner
- Every trainer
- Every coach
- Every manager
- Every player (even non-users)
- MLB
- Commissioner
- MLBPA
- Sportswriters
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
BUD LIGHT BUD LIGHT
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
Everyone...
…in the game made this deal with the devil. Really it all worked out pretty well. The game made it back from the ’94 strike and by the time that shit started to hit the fan a new generation of players emerged. The second generation of players even use steroids (A-Rod); admit it; and have now this admission has no impact on the game.
by BigJawnMize on Jan 14, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
Sportswriters???
I thought they were the knights in shining under armor who brought this all to light!
Free Melodi Dushane
by all4tookie on Jan 14, 2010 10:32 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
nice touch with the under armor.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
It's so fortunate we have them
First they reveal the truth to us and then they tell us what we should think about the truth.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
why isn't this green?\
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Wait, did you just say
that TLR (and other managers, GMs, Selig, etc.) are “getting by WITHOUT criticism”? Seems to me it’s been hard to find an anti-steroid screed written by anybody that does not subject all of the above to withering scorn.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Jan 14, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
To me, it's disproportionately given to the player, whether it is McGwire, Giambi, A-Rod, or [future exposed player].
A sentence or two, sometimes even a whole paragraph, may target all major parties as being complicit or incompetent or whatever, but paragraphs and entire columns are written to trash the confessing players. To me, it should be the opposite. There should be whole columns bemoaning the (in)action of the major parties with a setence for those individuals who have confessed to using. The FBI informed Major League Baseball of McGwire’s steroid usage in 1993, five years before he shattered the single-season HR record. Yes, McGwire used, but MLB knew he used and did nothing. We know this, but it seems to go unmentioned in many a column trashing McGwire.
There is a very good timeline put together by Another Cubs Blog on PEDs.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
What the hell is the FBI telling MLB about a certain player using steroids...
arrest him if its against the law, but don’t rat him out to his employer of sorts.
The same FBI...
That though Richard Jewel was the Olympic Bomber?
And in retrospect, would everyone now be happy if McGwire was treated like say, Ryan Franklin, suspended for a few games and then allowed to continue to play? It seems people want nothing short of a complete Pete Rose like ban, even though the penalties for PEDs in baseball are quite minimal (though it’s not like other sports are real strict either, the famous Shawne Merriman example)
I would like to say that TLR didn't say that.
They missed on censoring it on the first pass. He said he didn’t give a shit……not he didn’t give a fuck. That miscue sensationalizes the whole article, IMO.
* is an Asshat
also, it was classic.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
I made a comment...
It's because he doesn't have a sports journalist background, I suspect.
He is a fan who started a blog which led him to NBC. He has not lost touch with critical thinking-fueled analysis.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Is it just me, or does anyone else think that all this might be a good thing?
I actually think this puts Tony in a different mode for this season. I think it is possible that this makes this team even more man-stewey, and maybe, just maybe, Tony goes into less Crazy Tony mode and more into Let’s Kick Some Serious Ass Tony mode. It might just be me, but I see a real chance that this team puts its foot on the throat of the NL Central this season.
Or it’s possible that everything just blows up, but I am a optimist.
Either way, HURRY UP AND BOLSTER THE BULLPEN, MO!
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jan 14, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
careful
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
What his Super Saiyan hair look like?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Needs Moar photoshop
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Boom!

Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.
BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
by vexedtechie on Jan 14, 2010 7:54 PM EST up reply actions 13 recs
um, wow
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
It would be a Herculean feat not to rec this
And I’m no Hercules.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
You sir, are the man
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
I know I am off topic here but...
Since we a need for a lefty off the bench does anyone think we should give Rick Ankiel a one year deal. I am thinking that Craig makes the team as the 4th outfielder. Now that Ryan Church is off the market, and the Pirates no longer seam to be interested. I was thinking a minor league deal with an ST invite. I would like to see him make the team and learn more about hitting.
I have been around here for a while, but now I just pop in from time to time. The success of the site has made it harder to participate. Sorta like Yogy’s " Nobody goes there any more because it is too crowded" line.
Since we a need for a lefty off the bench does anyone think we should give Rick Ankiel a one year deal.
Cubs fans.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 14, 2010 10:37 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
If we could get Ank on a ST invite and be assured that TLR wouldn't overplay him, then
I’d be ok with seeing what he can do…but there’s no way that’s gonna happen.
Why would you be OK if that were the case?
What has Rick done to make you think he can help us win?
I just don’t get the Rick Ankiel love.
If you truly believe he's finished
That’s your opinion, however, it is conceivably possible (Just for reference, AI think he’s godawful) that his shoulder injury lingered throughout the season and he played through it ala Chris Duncan.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
i just don't want to see him take playing time away from Rasmus
He is more of a distraction than anything else
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 14, 2010 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
As Monk says...
…we really want the Cubs to overpay him in money and years. I think the greastest role he can play for the Cardinals is the "overpayed, underperforming, oft-injured " contract on the Cubs bench.
by BigJawnMize on Jan 14, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
I think he could perform that role equally well in new york, to be honest
he’s extremely versatile.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 14, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
no, no Aaron Miles showed him the way
but seriously, that would break the guy. I wouldn’t wish it on anyone.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
Your right...
…We really need to get Tony out there talking up Ankiel’s grittiness and how valuable he is, that would perk a few ears up.
The other option is to have Mo leak it to the press that Ankiel is now the teams tp priority and had already turned down a 3Y/10M offer. I bet the I bet MacPhail would instantly offer 3Y/15M for his services and consider it a bargin.
in all seriousness, though
I don’t think he’s wanting a MiL deal with a ST invite. I’m pretty sure he can get at least a 1 year, $2m deal somewhere, and I think that’d probably be about a fair price for his services. He has a lot of issues, but a small bounceback seems likely, and someone who can instill a bit more patience in the guy and get him taking a few more first pitches and pitches in hitters’ counts could turn him into a .310 OBP, .480 SLG -type, I think, which would be borderline useful in an outfielder with a competent glove.
I think I’m slightly higher on Ankiel than most, but he’s exactly the sort of guy that we look at in other teams (or on the FA market) and say “decent bounceback/buy-low candidate” (not that I think he has a cat-in-hell’s chance of a bounceback to a 2007/2008 level, but he could be useful as a LH 4th outfielder against RHP or a platoon piece); it’s just the pain of watching the guy struggle to get the ball out of the infield for a whole year that’s made that fact difficult to accept.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 14, 2010 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
the Pirates turned him down because he wanted to start
That’s what I heard last.
The Pirates.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
when you have all-stars like Brandon Morrow in your outfield it's pretty hard to find enough at-bats to go round.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 14, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
now my sarcasm has turned into curiosity
damn me. Has anyone ever been let go by a bottom-feeder team and found success? Let’s say… Royals, Pirates, Nats. Mets are tempting, but they’re too blind squirrel/nut for these purposes.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Floppy was cut by the Nats
we signed him and he OPSed .900+, and then he went and had a 4.5 WAR season with the D’Backs/Brewers last year.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 14, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
there it is
I knew I was forgetting someone. Parted on bad terms, it seems, to the point where he’s not an option for them this year.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, they couldn't stand it
(nice insect puns, btw)

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
(imageshack fail)
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
he also TOTALLY sucked in washington
although I think much of that is because he didn’t give a shit.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 14, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
Well Ludwick was with the Indians.
I am blanking on when but I’m guessing when he was with them weren’t quite as awful as they are now. I know I could look it up but I am lazy right now. And I have work to do.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Jan 14, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
all's I got is they granted him free agency
Luddy needs more props than he gets.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah but I'm pretty sure they didn't want him.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Jan 14, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
just no respect
…wick.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
i think he had a lot of injury issues
maybe a possible future Joe Mather comp – funky, long-ish powerful swing with a lot of talent, and potentially career-threatening injury just as he’s looking to break through into MLB.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 14, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
He did.
But he was still rejected by the Indians. Who may have been okay at that point actually.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Jan 14, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah it was 2005.
They were pretty good in 2005 so it really doesn’t apply.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Jan 14, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
maybe he didn't like curry?
(/crap pun-wick).
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 14, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
Wow.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Jan 14, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
Ludwick, if anyone, seems like he could benefit from McGwire's straight-to-the-ball teachings
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
He's got to
learn to pick up the spin on the slider and lay off it when he is behind in the count. He goes after that pitch down and way too often.
yeah I agree (about the slider thing).
He seems to chase low pitches in general quite a lot.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 14, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
I was a little confused.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Jan 14, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
Brandon Moss, yo
Don’t disrespect the Moss.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
oh yeah
wrong brandon, hehe. I imagine brandon league’s gonna get that a lot too, especially as he was involved in a trade with him…
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 15, 2010 8:18 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly
The Pirates were the only team that were rumored to have any interest in him, and they were not going to start him. Since I have not heard anything else about Rick I thought that a minor league deal will be all he could get. 2mil seams like a lot to me. I hope he gets it, but I doubt it
you may be right
better players (Hinske) have settled for less this year.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 14, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
he’s exactly the sort of guy that we look at in other teams (or on the FA market) and say "decent bounceback/buy-low candidate"
Familiarity breeds contempt.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Jan 14, 2010 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
I think he needs regular at-bats to be effective
and he can’t get those at-bats with the Cardinals as we have three above average outfielders. He might be a decent half of a platoon as well, but we don’t have one of those either, as Ludwick doesn’t have a crappy split against RHP.
I don’t think that he’s a viable option for the Cardinals as he’s not a good pinch hitter, as he proved last year.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
now that we've screwed up on getting Hinske or Church
(ideally Hinske), I suppose a league minimum deal for Ank wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world, although I still think he’s better off elsewhere (also, I’d rather see Craig get the ABs, or Gabe Gross).
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 14, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Ank
should immediately call dayton moore and ask for a 1yr 5 million dollar deal and eventually take the 2yr 15 million dollar deal Dayton offers.
Mo, you can trade anything of mine.
by njnick on Jan 14, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions 15 recs
"You drive a hard bargain, Mr. Moore... but I reluctantly accept your counter-proposal."
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
Don't forget Omar Minaya and the mystery team
Drop hints that the Mets are interested as well as the mysterious Baltimore Orioles.
I can't rec this emphatically enough
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
What about Brandon Jones?
He was supposed to be the LF of the future in the Braves org and was recently DFA’d to make room for Hinske. He is 26, LH, and has a decent AAA line.
I am not so sure he is any good
I was looking over his splits. He is an average to slightly above average defensive LFer. Can’t play any other positions. He also hasn’t had a good hitting season since 2007. I just don’t know if he is any better than Jon Jay.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 14, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
looks like a good signing to me
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
But they love Beltra...
Oh…well shit
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
I keep seeing hints
that the Cards look at Boggs as very valuable in the bullpen, perhaps as future closer material. I remember one game last September (??) when he came in and was absolutely lights out. Of course, he probably won’t become the closer this year, but with more experience and better control (which he might develop pitching out of the bullpen), who knows down the road.
yeah
If I had to bet on any cardinal being an effective closer in 3 years, well, it’d probably be Eduardo Sanchez, but Boggs would probably be the 2nd choice…
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 14, 2010 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
And...
…I saw that in Chris Perez as well. I am not very good at this though.
Hey the dude has a big arm...
…and a nasty, but wildly inconsistent slider. Franklin got by much of last year with voodoo and shadow puppets.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 14, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
footnote
he’s Carp’s special coaching project, last I saw.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
what happens if he spent most of the offseason working with Carp
and no one but Carp is allowed around him during ST.
I can’t imagine how great this team could be this year if Boggs picks up even 10% of Chris Carpenters badasseyness.
Damn you Y2S for giving me such hope in Boggs for this season!
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
well that was midseason
so Boggs did improve, but it wasn’t by much.
still: behold! http://www.flickr.com/photos/markhalski/3543346637/
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Can't tell if Carp is coaching
Or expressing his disdain for an inferior humanoid creature.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
by mojowo11 on Jan 14, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Looks to me like he's thinking
“Is this guy fucking serious?”
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 14, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
He sort of looks like he's pointing to the right (his left)
“Hey, crappy rookie pitcher, your shit is too weak for my rotation. The bullpen is that way. Git.”
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
by mojowo11 on Jan 14, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
God I hope Carp gives the rooks Indian names like Tony did to Perez that one time
“Hi, who are you?”
“I’m Mitch Boggs.”
“No you’re not, you’re Crappy Rookie Pitcher.”
(looks down, sighs) “Okay.”
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 14, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I am almost sure Goold covered this
but for sure FSM commented on it, because that’s all I can currently find from the SBN search.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
"How dare you...
…call yourself a pitcher, Mitch? You are NOT me, so therefore you cannot be considered a pitcher. You merely play baseball. Now, go away before you ‘fall down and smack your face on luggage.’ "
ten minutes later, Carp to A.D.A.M.
Haha! Messing with rooks. So fun!!!
VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009
by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 14, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You also notice in that pic that Boggs is NOT making eye contact with Carp
I’d be afraid to make eye contact with Carp too, Mitch
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 14, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
momup did
she made it out
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
i read that without the "it" originally
did a bit of a double-take.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 15, 2010 8:21 AM EST up reply actions
well she *is* badass
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 15, 2010 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
I, too, would like as many Franklins as possible when I go camping.
Oh, wait, was I supposed to leave that in 2009? Sorry.
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
I think that one goes back to 2007...
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
I think that's become a fairly routine cardinals-specific meme
it’s definitely fair game. I occasionally even use in in non-VEB scenarios, to much confusion…
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 14, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
Excellent. I'm safe.
(Oh, and just for the record, I was really just going for the funny with this, and not trying to be an ass to azruavatar. Just so’s you know. I can’t stand the thought that someone out there might not like me. Okay, shutting up. Back to baseball.)
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
But...but...I just said...please don't...would you like some pie?
Hey, wait a minute…
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
kidding - obviously
but for you dumb people that didn’t realize it don’t e-mail me to lighten up. Seriously, don’t.
Think; It's not illegal yet.
by azruavatar on Jan 14, 2010 12:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh, don't worry, I got your drift.
Now prepare for the lesbian robot porn to inundate your inbox.
(Also kidding. Obviously. Man, with all our technology, you’d think we’d have figured out some good way to make sarcasm translate across the interwebs by now.)
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
check out the bolts on that one
(zooms eye in)
Eyes fall out of socket
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 14, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Can I email you asking you to continue your gloomy, tyrannical robot overlord-ship?
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
whoops
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
I think it should enter common parlance
unless of course the Cardinals are an obscure baseball team in America
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
Current Bullpen as is
RHP
Franklin
Motte
McClellan
LHP:
Denny
Miller
Those guys all seem like locks to me. Than it comes down to Hawksworth, Boggs, and Kinney. I am not sure Kinney is ever going to get it together again. Hawksworth is no where as good as his ERA made him look. He posted horrible K/9 numbers of 4.50. He got lucky. Boggs walked too many guys but at least he struct out a lot of guys. To me Boggs was easily the best of the group. I just wonder if the organization still wants him to be a starter or not. I still think we need another RHP because I don’t think Hawksworth has proved he is good enough yet. Let alone if Tony wants to go with 13 pitchers.
My feelings on Kinney
“Oh right, we still technically have Kinney.”
I, too, think we need another arm.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
look in the zombie bin
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Boggs has late inning stuff if he can ever put it all together
I wish the team would commit to him in the bullpen because I think that is he is destined to be for the majority f his career.
You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all.
-- Earl Weaver
by Smokin Turkeys on Jan 14, 2010 12:27 PM EST reply actions
and a reply fail to Flim
You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all.
-- Earl Weaver
by Smokin Turkeys on Jan 14, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Concur.
Boggs looked like a completely different pitcher when he went to the ‘pen, to me. He went from being barely above the Wellemeyer Line as a starter to being a solid reliever with flashes of excellence. I’d love to see him stay there this year.
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
conversely
if he DOES ever sort out his control and command, he’ll be a very useful starter, too, with his repertoire. Good FB (which actually plays in an MLB rotation), decent slider, kinda OK-ish off-speed stuff. And a decent starter IS more valuable than a good reliever.
I should say I’m with you on this and hope he starts the year in the pen, but I wouldn’t want to give up on him as a starter totally, yet.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 15, 2010 8:38 AM EST up reply actions
OT, but I'm looking for some advice:
My awesome, wonderful, full-of-surprises husband just announced that we’re taking a trip to Colorado in July. We never had a honeymoon, so I’m excited. Anyway, he timed the trip so that we’ll be in CO when the Cards are visiting the Rockies.
My question is for those of you who have been to Coors Field: Where should we sit? Outside of the obvious on-the-field seats, where are the best seats?
Now with extra feisty!
lboros would be a very good person to answer this question.
If I remember correctly, he lives in Colorado and would often go see the Cards when they came to Coors.
Sadly, I can’t answer your question because I don’t know.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
or someone could tweet Goold
someone with connections
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Would he know?
Those who get in with the press pass and its perks often are ignorant as to how the venue is for regular ol’ fans like us.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Denvan?
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 14, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
The STL needs you, lboros!

(Oh, and thanks again, vexedtechie. You rule.)
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
by splhcb67 on Jan 14, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
It doesn't matter
You will be able to sit pretty much wherever you want for as cheap as you want. At least that was my experience at Coors a few years ago. I imagine not a whole lot has changed. One game, I bought tickets for $10 each and got to sit up real close on the lower level, but could have sat pretty much anywhere. The next day (a day game) got to sit in the second level that connected to an inside area with a bar with craft beers and all sorts of extras for only $20 per ticket. Bought tickets from someone outside the stadium both times right before game time. Caught a foul ball off the bat of Bill Hall because there was no one in the entire section i was sitting in.
by tireinhardt6 on Jan 14, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
It does matter.
You just told me about a seating area with “craft beers and all sorts of extras.” Sounds cool to me!
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Club Level
That’s where the craft beers etc. were. Looks like they’re marked at $75 from the team for some games and $55 for others. Either way, you could probably get them outside the stadium for much cheaper.
by tireinhardt6 on Jan 14, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
Although,
with the Cards in town, I’ve heard the Cardinal fans really turnout because Denver used to be St. Louis Cardinals territory, so the Coors stands are half-red, half-black/purple. Sort of like Kansas City. When the Indians are in town, one can walk up and get great seats; but, when the Cards are in town, the stadium is packed.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Fair point
I did go to a Rockies vs. Brewers match up. Couldn’t have been more than 10,000 people there.
by tireinhardt6 on Jan 14, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
That's kind of what I was thinking.
We’ll probably buy ahead of time, and just pay a little more to make sure we get good seats.
Now with extra feisty!
Yet when the Indians are in KC there are still more Indians fans than Royals fans.
Except last year in May when Zack Grienke was good.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
no fire pit for F, no brownies for gdm
the spants family is on a roll
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
are we not allowed to joke about that?
for real i’m sorry. i was just making a joke. it’s what i do. i’m a joke maker
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
More like a joke be-er
OH SNAP BIOOOOTCH
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
I thought we had an agreement.
But hey, it’s cool. I’m over here, eating an amazing brownie.
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i'm sorry, i won't bring it up ever again
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
It's a great stadium....
I haven’t had a bad seat yet. I liked First base side myself. Also, if your flying and cabbing, don’t stay out by the airport. It cost me 80 bucks round trip.
* is an Asshat
We're actually driving down from Steamboat Springs.
We’ll probably stay somewhere by the stadium for one night.
Now with extra feisty!
We stayed
at La Quinta Inn, just off Park Ave. It was the closest to Coors Field. Not great, but not expensive, and we walked to all of the games. There is a nice sports bar in the mall next door too.
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Jan 14, 2010 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
Lurker Alert!
and not the Cody/Clemson sense
I am a Denver cab driver I would recomend staying at either the Ritz-Carton or the La Quinta(depending on budget) I would also recomend eating at the Vesta Dipping Grill or the 9th Door. If sports bars or brewpubs are more your speed the Blake St Tavern or the Breckenridge Brewery are close and great. Definitely try to get tickets between section 119 and 130 for the view. The only thing you might run into is the Fireworks Games are always sellouts(but worth the premium).
What is the name of
the brewery bar and restaurant almost across the street from the park? I think that it was the Breckenridge. Definitely a great place, we ended up going there every time pre-game, then after the game we went further down Blake to one of the sports bars.
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Jan 14, 2010 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah that is the breck
you probably wen to either Jacksons Hole, or the sports column The Sports Column is an amazing sports bar
Yeah
it was the Sports Column was where a youthful Cards fan from STL was impressed enough with our allegiance to offer a round. A busy bar!
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Jan 14, 2010 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
so you agree I'm a lurker.
If you have to know , I’m a concerned citizen over the safety of cgirly.
I heard Mr. Freeze wants to eliminate her with his freeze gun.
I am the Batman
I didn't give you a second thought.
Now with extra feisty!
by spants on Jan 14, 2010 9:45 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
someone got
SPANTSED!!
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jan 14, 2010 9:46 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Read through the comments FAIL
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 14, 2010 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
although merely the fact that you exists
suggests it might be god.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jan 14, 2010 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
If it weren't for the toddler-esque usage of "exists"
it would have been ok.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jan 14, 2010 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
What would the def be?
An extra feisty stabbing?
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 14, 2010 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
Here come the ani-GIFs
[rolls eyes]
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
Yeah...
that time you tried to open a thread and it took 15 minutes…
spantsed…
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
me neither. cheers to us!

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
by gdm426 on Jan 14, 2010 10:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Who are these people?
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Jan 14, 2010 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
I knew that was Jared Padelecki!
I love him.
And that other guy who played Aquaman in Smallville is also nice. I wish that show didn’t creep me out.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Jan 14, 2010 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
that show
was terrible. I can’t believe it had such a following.
by QuadCitiesCardsFan on Jan 14, 2010 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
I think it might be still on.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Jan 14, 2010 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
Supernatural is one of the best shows on TV
and i’ll fight anyone who disagrees with me
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Superman was ruined by Superman Returns
In the comics, Superman can’t be near Kryptonite without feeling weak. Batman carries a small piece in his belt in the event that Superman goes ape shit, that small amount is enough to contain him. Except in the movie Superman Returns, where he lifts AN ENTIRE CONTINENT MADE OF KRYPTONITE AND THROWS IT INTO SPACE.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 14, 2010 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
that moved blowed chunks
on so many different levels
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
one of only 2 movies I have ever walked out on
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 14, 2010 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
i don't blame you
i would have too but i saw it on dvd a while after it came out. glad i didn’t pay for it
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
how?
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
i hear there is some hot guys on it
Can you confirm this for me?
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 14, 2010 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
.

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
i agree
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
if i could be one actor, i'd be jarred pad
that dude is cool
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
que?
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
fff, i meant jensen ackles
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
that guy is werid looking
are you sure you’re not thinking about justin hartely?
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
I am thinking of jared Padelecki.
Gilmore Girls. The guy Rory should have ended up with.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Jan 14, 2010 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
Unless you mean the other guy.
I don’t remember what Jensen played but I thought it was Aquaman.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Jan 14, 2010 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah.
Aquaman was not that cute. I remember him now.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Jan 14, 2010 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
I guess I should have played Aquaman
/hangs head in shame, slowly walks away
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 14, 2010 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
neither one have ever been on smallville
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Jensen was on Smallville.
I know this because I liked him and then it said he would be on a new show called Supernatural.
He was Jason Teague. It was a recurring role.
link
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Jan 14, 2010 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
i can't believe i forgot about that
i thought that was ian somerhalder. my dad would kick my butt for forgetting he was on there.
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
i'm cool like that
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
boom shaklaka
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
onions!
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
HE'S ON FIRE
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
from way down town!
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
well it's dead now, i hope you're happy
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
not really, RR killed my baby
and it’s never coming back.
i don’t know what i’m going to do now
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
it's too late, it's gone
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
supernatural sucks.
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 15, 2010 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
your face sucks
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Supernatural
Fans of Jensen Ackles (the guy on the left in the Supernatural gif above) who haven’t seen the you-tube clip of him lip-synching to Eye of the Tiger need to hie themselves over there post-haste.
by peach concrete on Jan 14, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thx. It's not as good as 'defenestrate', though.
I love that word and never get to use it. Not enough people being tossed out of windows in my world.
by peach concrete on Jan 15, 2010 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
greatest thing ever?
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
I know that it was lost on you,
but there is a reason I was replying to CodyG with gifs.
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Coors Field View
The stadium has an absolutely awesome view. It has an open view, much like Busch III, in the outfield and has an incredible view of the mountains. People there just don’t go to the games.
by tireinhardt6 on Jan 14, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
That's sad.
If I lived in Colorado, I’d go to games all the time. I turn down (or pass along) Cards tickets that are day games during mid-summer because I get so overwhelmed by just sitting in the sun and heat.
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they need basement seating for us bloggers
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I just try to stick to night games
or day games at the beginning or end of the season.
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or games on days that end in 'Y'.
/hates people who say that
by QuadCitiesCardsFan on Jan 14, 2010 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
Wait.
So we rabble of commenters are now “bloggers”?
Nay, we’re yet another step below. We are the losers whose basements are so dark, we’d rather comment on other people’s blogs that start our own.
by arch support on Jan 14, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
"blogs" = euphemism for which STD?
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 14, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
Man.... I have to call a bunch of girls I slept with
Why?
I think Stephanie gave me the blogs.
Ouch that sucks. Why don’t you just put up Facebook status instead?
Great Idea!
I have been diagnosed with the blogs, Get yourself checked out!
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 14, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
I know it's been awhile since you've gotten any,
but don’t take it out on me.
Now with extra feisty!
you talking about STD's or JD's sex life?
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 14, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
You know that huh?
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 14, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
True
He’s got my address and all that
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 14, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
I don't ever remember getting a call from him
But yikes. Big Brother is watching you!
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 14, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
that's what she said?
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
i was wondering why you answered your phone in Chinese
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 14, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
I thought it was obvious because he is a Ginger
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 14, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
you know what this thread needs?
shoes.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
ask and ye shall receive
these are probably the ugliest shoes i’ve ever seen.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
Who shot the...um...very tall alligator?
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
by splhcb67 on Jan 14, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
looks like you got pretty lucky
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
HOW DID YOU FIND THIS
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 14, 2010 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
i will never reveal my sources
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
ask JD, that's his friend
it is Georgia, i just assume everyone has guns down there
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
i never thought of that
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
I can tell none of you have ever seen the mean streets of Athens, GA
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 14, 2010 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
Pass them on!
By the way, an unique feature of Coors is that it is the mile high stadium. There are a row of seats in RF painted green or whatever colour as I recall that mark the mile level. Cool.
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Jan 14, 2010 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
not prince, huh?
guess i can cancel that one off the ol’ blog membership page…
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jan 14, 2010 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
on that note
i will never get over the mental image of him going door to door as a jehovah’s witness
the killers are mormons
ian curtis was catholic. it happens.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jan 14, 2010 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
rockpile
is the bleacher seat section in left field. I think they are only sold at the gate, but can be had pretty friggin cheap. You can also get some deals around town – the local ‘kroger’ brand grocery store – oddly called king soopers – often has 10$ rockies tickets, which get you pretty good seats down the left or right field lines – maybe thirty rows up from the field. But, as someone else commented, there really is not a bad seat. They never sell out, so nosebleed seats are rarely even sold. I think you will find your cardinals red clothing to blend in nicely with the rest of the crowd – the fans are usually about 50% Cards fans for those games.
and cheap
just make sure to get there early – they will sell those seats out for a cards game.
$4-5 AND cheap?!
what a country!
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
rockpile is awesome
they got the idea from the old handegg stadium, The South Stands were the cheapest and craziest part of the old Mile High Stadium the opposing teams locker room was right underneath. It made for a nervous opponent to watch the ceiling bowing and flexing.
I went to Coors once!
I can’t tell you where to sit, but I can tell you it’s a cool park.
I actually saw a Rockies-Cubs game there. Sosa hit three homers and they pinch-hit for him in his fourth AB.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
Nevermind, it was his 5th AB
Whatever, I was 14 at the time, I was mad. (Boxscore)
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
Sit on the 3rd base side in case Albert decides to score from second on a groundout again
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 14, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
coors third base
I was at the game where ank demonstrated to world that his arm is in fact a canon. Two amazing throws from center catching runners at third. Third base is the way to go….
it was particularly amazing
being that the crowd is about 50:50. Half of the crowd collapsed in disgusted disbeleif, while the other half broke into disbelieving applause and screams. It was quite a show.
This fall
I made what I call my cross country baseball odyssey. After driving across Canada to Toronto, then down the US east coast, saw first a game in Cinci, then on to STL. For a lifelong Cards fan, it was nonetheless the first time to STL. Saw the Cubs series (by design of course) in Sept, then KC vs the Bosox, then parked in Denver for a week, to watch San Diego (yawn, but the Rox are fun to watch), while waiting for the weekend series against the Cards. SD game tickets were cheap. The Cards tickets were not as cheap, but not what I paid in STL for comparable seats via StubHub. Anyhow, sorry for too much information. We had infield box seats for all games, and I found that the concessions all had good craft beers. I went with Fat Tire. Those seats are selling for about $75 now, and the club level seats will go for pretty much the same. Some great restaurant/bars on Blake St. by the park for pre- and post-game festivities. When the Cards were there the stadium was full of Cards fans, and when the Rox fans were chanting Go Rox Go, we were counterpointing Go Cards Go, plus choruses of MVP when the Mang was batting! It was a great atmosphere, and I met a lot of Cards fans. Wearing Cards jerseys in the bars, my wife and I were given a round by young Cards fans impressed that we had traveled so far to follow the Cards. Thumbs up from Cards fans as we passed by as well. A great experience. I think that I will have to make it an annual pilgrimage!
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Jan 14, 2010 9:04 PM EST up reply actions
Cool story...
Was STL the Shangri-la you always dreamed it would be?
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
Well...
we stayed in a hotel nearby the park. It wasn’t quite Shangri-la right near the park, not enough bars there, and the area around the park seemed somewhat desolate to me. I guess every city has a different downtown. I am used to more activity in the area near the parks, like in Vancouver, Toronto, and what I saw in Denver. No complaints though. It was a great experience. We ended up going to BB King bars and other bars on Washington St (?) where we had a great time. Great being in the hotel with Cubs fans down from Illinois, and Cards fans from everywhere too. Like I said, an experience that needs to become an annual pilgrimage!
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Jan 14, 2010 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
Somebody should put in
a little area with shops, restaurant, bars, offices, apartments….the whole shebang….almost a village if you will. They could call it Ball Park Village.
* is an Asshat
by RiverRat on Jan 14, 2010 9:23 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
sign me up
use as much of my taxes as you wish. just so long as it finally revitalizes downtown!
and the next project – monorail.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jan 14, 2010 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
what's that word?

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 15, 2010 8:47 AM EST up reply actions
Bird is the word.
Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.
BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
I was in tears the first time I saw that segment...
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
but less than three
fortnights untill Batmans and Robins report fair maiden
by TomCat009 on Jan 14, 2010 10:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't know exactly what this means,
but I like that you mixed Batman and Robin with Robin Hood-speak.
Now with extra feisty!
Denver gets
maybe 4-5 snowstorms a winter so most of the winter there is only snow in the shadowed areas
When
I was in Denver this summer, I met up with an old slow pitch buddy from Manila, Philippines (American guy who taught my son at the International School of Manila). I can’t remember exactly what he said, but it was something like if you don’t like the Denver weather, just wait a few hours, and it will change. Does that sound somewhat familiar?
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Jan 14, 2010 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
We
live in the West Kootenays in BC. But we are not subject to what I guess is in fact the chinook effect, as they call it in Calgary, where it is freezing, then somehow a warm air flow from the Pacific blows in? We are about 4 hrs N of Spokane, and don’t experience that stuff. Just cloudy, rainy, and snowy, but not necessarily cold weather for the winter. Glad that I am Phoenix missing all of that, but that begs the question, which team to follow in spring training. The arch enemy Cubs? I am thinking maybe the Athletics, Mariners, Rox. or maybe Twins because of Morneau.
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Jan 14, 2010 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
We
live in the west Kootenays, not the Rockies. A lower range, up to 9.000’ Our valley is populated by Vietnam war draft dodgers, old commune
people, descendants of the Japanese internment people in WWII, growers of BC bud (check it out!), loggers, and miners. Makes for an interesting community, especially at planning meetings. Sort of like the Cards and Yankees fans in a WS?
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Jan 14, 2010 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
I have seen 70 on christmas
and a day in mid june that was 70 at noon and had 6"of snow by midnight(freaked my seattle co-workers out)
Probably as well or better than Joe Thurston.
Now with extra feisty!
by spants on Jan 14, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
why not. it's a nice bar
“He’s not Wellemeyer!”
“He’s not McRae!”
“He’s not Chris Duncan!”
…it works.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Branyan
would be huge hitting in front of Pujols. He hits lefty so he could be platooned with Freese. And his nickname is Russell the Muscle.
You may run like Hayes, but you hit like shit.
I'd be cool with a Branyan signing.
I don’t think Freese’s bat will show up. I hope I’m wrong.
Now with extra feisty!
i hope you're wrong, too
but he’s shown (in very small samples) that he’s not scared of ML pitching
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
as opposed to your tyler greene
who puts up great AAA numbers and whiffs at everything in MLB
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
I really don't want Tyler Greene on the team.
It’s so frustrating watching him. Maybe Mac can teach him to hit more dingers.
Now with extra feisty!
i just don't want another MIFer period
Especially if Gotay makes this team
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 14, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
Every time I hear his name I think of
Kazundo Gouda Head of the Cabinet Intelligence Service
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 14, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
apparently it's pronounced
go-tie
who here is going to lie and say that they knew it already?
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
I knew it
just because I have actually listened to a few Royal games over the years
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
I knew that
And I’m not lying.
And I’m not sure why I knew that.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
that's how i knew, rofl
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
don't you dare make fun of me and my colloquialisms
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Ha, that's probably right, actually
I was thinking maybe Baseball Tonight, but a baseball game seems just as likely, if not more.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
Just for fun
http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=4416237
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
dude has a canon
boog-esque
when are his AAA numbers gonna translate?
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Speaking of Thurston:
I figured out why he missed bases. Tradition.
Now with extra feisty!
by spants on Jan 14, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions 12 recs
Rec'd. Wholeheartedly.
And I want to know how long you’ve been sitting on that one, waiting for the right moment to use it. That’s hilarious.
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
Just found it!
I wanted to see Thurston’s UZR. Wish I would’ve had it back when he missed that bag.
Now with extra feisty!
that is just too effin hilarious.
I think someone over at Fangraphs is just a huge Cardinal fan, and made up that players name just for our enjoyment.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Man, baseball players had the coolest names back then
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
congratulations!
You win the thread!
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 15, 2010 8:56 AM EST up reply actions
Well shit come on now
With Thursty it was like a suspensful horror film. “Will Albert survive another weak, fading throw? Find out tonight at 7 pm, on FSM!”
Well when Thurston injures Pujols, and you have to bring up a new player, it’s like trading for a young prospect, only you don’t have to make a trade! You know, it really is!
VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009
by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 14, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
For a quick and dirty reference,
Fangraphs shows him at 10 UZR for his career at 3B, and projected in the neighborhood of a mid.350s wOBA.
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
And he has become older and more immobile with his injury problems (which are worth taking note of).
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Any Branyan signing would be with the understanding that he's not a good fielder.
Doesn’t matter. Cards aren’t signing him.
Now with extra feisty!
Can't be much worse of an injury risk than Troy Glaus was
and for similar slugging numbers (and cheaper).
This would be worth the defensive liability, I think.
yes, I agree
I’ve always liked Branyan. Now he’s kinda “broken out” and had a 30-HR year I can’t see him being super cheap, though.
It’s bizarre no-ones signed him yet and garbage like Aubrey Huff, Casey Kotchman (although I actually quite like him) and the corpse of Troy Glaus have signed to play 1B on contending teams.
One of my favourite non-Holliday scenarios was signing Branyan to platoon at 3B (and get the odd start at 1B and PH) and Cust to platoon in LF, giving us a pretty poor defense on that side of the field against RHP but an offense that’s probably as good as signing Holliday.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 15, 2010 9:00 AM EST up reply actions
I saw
this earlier. MLB considering expanding the first round of playoffs to best-of-7, and also considering expanded instant replay. Thoughts?
I’m okay with the first round being expanded to best-of-7, but only if the playoffs start earlier. World Series in November is ridiculous.
Now with extra feisty!
moar baseball is moar baseball
and i am definitely in favor of instant replay
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
I can't wait until game 7 of the WS on November 6 in the Twins' new outdoor stadium!
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 14, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
screw that
2nd @ MIN 5:10 PM at Target Field
3rd @ MIN 1:10 PM at Target Field
That’s one spring snowstorm away from our guys getting death-icicled. But that’s okay, they don’t come home till April 12 at Busch.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Good point.
And yeah, I forgot to mention I’m in favor of expanded instant replay, too.
Now with extra feisty!
I want a 350 game schedule with a one game winner take all world series
umpired by robots on Christmas eve.
by Mister Eff on Jan 14, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
I personally think OT should be like it is in college
Where each team gets the handegg on the 25 yard line
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 14, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
He'd be an instant hall of famer
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 14, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not going to post the link but have you read the comic on reddit called "How to be a (real) man"?
it’s a funny comic but a little NSFW for VEB
I am the Batman
i got your back Az, here's a salad

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
by gdm426 on Jan 14, 2010 9:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
gdm is acting out again
i feel one hell of a time-out coming on…
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jan 14, 2010 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
this isn't happening.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jan 14, 2010 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
for fucks sake
no one has outlawed anything. Dan & Az said to moderate things & me & the rest of the merry band of misfits have done just that.
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
are you sure?
you don’t sound sure.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jan 14, 2010 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
....

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
i dare you to say that to azru's face.
you’d be in so much trouble.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jan 14, 2010 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
didn't i?
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
alright no need to get carried away cow
keep it to a minimum dude
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
just keep in mind there are women here
and they might not appreciate pics like that. we all go off the rails, but try not to plow through the pasture, blow up the barn & destroy the farm house.
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
win
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jan 14, 2010 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, that's obviously a impersontor who got in my way.
stupid guy thinks I use a shotgun.
I am the Batman
that is AWESOME
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Those are catcher's thighs.
They were made for receiving!
Think; It's not illegal yet.
by azruavatar on Jan 14, 2010 10:14 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
BAZINGA
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
the reader? is it one of those POV things?
if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus
by tom s. on Jan 14, 2010 11:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
more like

amirite?
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jan 14, 2010 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
holy crap!
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
I would want Papelbon as my closer
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
because you like douche's?
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Well yeah
I have like 5 Braun posters of him modeling in my room…..
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
The first round...
should be a huge 162 game round robin within the leagues, then round 2 should be a best of nine or eleven between the league champs, imo…
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
maybe if we had doubleheaders.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Totally in favor of expanding the first round.
I’m of the opinion that the best-of-5 format is far too conducive to fluke series victories; the best-of-7, while obviously not perfect either (no short series would be, of course), makes it far more likely that the outcome will be decided by skill rather than luck. Yes, this past year’s postseason unpleasantness may have helped to solidify this opinion (obviously, I’m biased, but I really think that without two pieces of horrendously bad luck – namely, Carp deciding, for no apparent reason, to have one of his worst outings of the year, and Lego’s groin shot – that series goes our way), but it’s something I’ve thought for awhile.
And yes, you’d have to move everything earlier; maybe start the season the 3rd week of March or something?
"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols
by splhcb67 on Jan 14, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm okay with starting the season earlier
But it would overlap with March Madness, so attendance and television ratings might be down until that’s over. Baseball season (seemingly) always starts the day after the final game of March Madness.
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 14, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
making the first round of the playoffs 7 games
is the best idea they could implement imo. 5 games just isn’t fair, especially in a sport where the season is 162 games. the other postseason series are both 7 games, so why is the first round less important? it’s not like the wild card teams are a pushover, I just don’t see the reasoning to make the first round only 7 games.
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 14, 2010 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
Could be useful as a swing man
That said — please, no.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
never good that your first thought
Is surprise he still plays baseball
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 14, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
IMO he wouldn't be a bad signing IF the price (and years) is right
Need moar Carp/Penny insurance
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 14, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
He is so much better than Braden Looper at pitching in every conceivable respect it's ridiculous.
This is a hilarious comment.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 15, 2010 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
Why is that bad?
He’ll be cheap, and he strikes out enough people that he could be effective in the bullpen. His FIP last year was 4.11, which makes him about league average and WAY above league average for a fifth starter, who would normally have an FIP of around 4.60 if I’m not mistaken. You know, Kyle Lohse territory (grumble, fuckin’ bad contract, grumble). His peripherals are actually pretty good last year, for him, considering that he played in two hitters parks and had a HR/FB of only 8.9% with a BABIP of .325 (with a career average right at .300), if he regresses to the mean a bit and induces more ground balls on our staff he could be a very solid option on the back end of the rotation, and probably won’t cost more than $3M or so.
Felonius has been touting him for about a month now, and I think he’s a good option if the Smoltz/Sheets trains are too expensive for a 5th starter. He’s a hell of a lot better option than Jon Garland or Doug Davis, imo.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Meh, Im still on the Garland train
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Yup
His FIP last year was 4.11, which makes him about league average and WAY above league average for a fifth starter, who would normally have an FIP of around 4.60 if I’m not mistaken.
Actually, in the AL, league average FIP was 4.32 last year, so he was actually ABOVE average when he was on the field, and put up 2.5 wins in 130 IP. He upped his K rate too (albeit with a rise in his BB rate that still left him at, an admittedly good, 2.00 K/BB ratio). His fastball velocity was up. He has a fantastic groundball rate (46% career, 49% over the last two seasons) and a Smoltz-esque slider/splitter secondary arsenal that works well on both sides of the plate.
Contreras has CONSISTENTLY sported a below-average left-on-base %, which has always hurt his ERAs compared to his FIP/tRA. Now, part of that could be that he doesn’t perform as well as an average guy would under pressure, but I’m willing to bet a big chunk of it is that he’s played in front of Ozzie Guillen/Kenny Williams’ shitty defenses for pretty much his whole career, in a hitters’ park.
If he’s halfway healthy, Contreras has a shot at being a 3-4 win pitcher (although you’d probably project him for more like ~150IP and 2-2.5 WAR or so). He’s moving to an easier league, and will have a much better defense and a more comfortable pitchers’ park behind him.
I would be really, really happy if we got Contreras, much as I love John Smoltz. I think he’s probably nearly as good as Smoltz now when he’s on the field (with the slight disadvantage that he’s unproven in relief and perhaps doesn’t have the veteran-y, leadership-y-ness that Smoltzy has), and he’s probably a much better bet to exceed 100IP. I think he’s the best free agent pitching option, personally.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 15, 2010 9:20 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What he said
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 15, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
I think I am the no.1 contreras fan on here
been banging his drum (pre-emptive TWSS) for a while now.
This would be a great signing, IMO. He remains well above-average and is a great buy-low candidate after he got really unlucky with balls in play last year. His FIP was way better than his sorry ERA, and he lost his job in the rotation. I think he is the #1 bargain left on the free agent market, personally. If he can throw more than 150 innings, he’s still a #3 pitcher who’ll get #5 money, and he has the sort of stuff that might play in the bullpen.
SIGN JOSE CONTRERAS.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 15, 2010 9:05 AM EST up reply actions
in other news
Jack Clark Defines the Term “Overreaction”
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
I AM NOT BITTER. I DO NOT CARE THAT THEY MADE MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
I HIT 27 HOME RUNS ONE YEAR AND THAT WAS A REAL ACCOMPLISHMENT!
YOU WILL PAY ATTENTION TO ME! I AM AN IMPORTANT PERSON!
if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus
by tom s. on Jan 14, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
i'm too young to really remember his relevance
but this seems about accurate
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
also, haha.
if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus
"You see, this is your standard internet 8 inches."
Now with extra feisty!
by spants on Jan 14, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions 13 recs
why isn't this green?
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
i've had this page open for over 2 hours & there were no rec's
and i didn’t see had 8 recs till i rec’d it after i posted
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
if it really is green
Jack Clark has better things to worry about than Mark McGwire.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jan 14, 2010 5:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
is he the hulk?
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
you're on fire today
much like his face…
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 15, 2010 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
she had a good day, she had a good day

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
I know no one else
with skin quite like that.
by DanUpBaby on Jan 14, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
His body is exactly like Homer Simpsons.
It is amazing.
by Mister Eff on Jan 14, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
You obviously have never been to
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 14, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I almost have, I have seen 'The jersey Shore'..
ok really, I’ve watched the Soup and saw clips of it.
wait
is that jack clark?
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
either that or the thing that ate him.
if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus
HFS, time has not done him well

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
i guess
the noses look kind of similar
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
That and some crappy plastic surgery.
His eyebrows are little higher and more arched than they used to be.

Now with extra feisty!
Can't tell from the MLBN screenshot
Still got the gapped teeth?
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 14, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
what you havent seen him on the post-game shows?
He’s terrible too. He sounds like an big caveman and he has had some terrible plastic surgery (such an outdated term). He looks like one of my GI Joe action figures (Wild Bill) that got his face melted off in a terrible crash in his Super Cobra. (that chopper toy was fucking awesome!)
by QuadCitiesCardsFan on Jan 14, 2010 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
i wish SBN would come up with an edit functionality ... so gay.
by QuadCitiesCardsFan on Jan 14, 2010 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
hey i don't know
He’s in England isn’t he. I figured he might not get the (FOX?) post game show. Definitely wouldn’t be missing much.
Do you live round these parts?
by QuadCitiesCardsFan on Jan 14, 2010 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, born and raised.
but,since I am batman, you can have the QC name.
Which city do you live in, anyways?
I am the Batman
I'm a transplant as of Dec 08
I’m in northern DPort.
by QuadCitiesCardsFan on Jan 14, 2010 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
North Kilttown?
No weeey! I’m from North Kilttown!
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jan 14, 2010 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
Ummm
I don’t know what that means, so I’m just gonna smile and nod.
by QuadCitiesCardsFan on Jan 14, 2010 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
c'mon man.
now if we could just introduce youtube users to the joys of av cables…
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jan 14, 2010 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
I just about to piss my pants
over the prospect of watching Shelby pitch here this year. Thirst-day Thursdays, here I come!!!
by QuadCitiesCardsFan on Jan 14, 2010 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
not me, I've watch kozma, and wallace at the same time
I thought that was insane, and the mulder game was great too.
too bad kozma sucks now, he autographed one of my mini bats.
I am the Batman
Well I haven't
I was here last year and Ottavino was about the only guy that I can think of.
by QuadCitiesCardsFan on Jan 14, 2010 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
You don't
think Miller will be good?
by QuadCitiesCardsFan on Jan 14, 2010 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
me neither
but single A ball is super boring without type-A prospects … and they stopped selling Bent River Oatmeal Stout in the ballpark.
by QuadCitiesCardsFan on Jan 14, 2010 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
Also,
You’re the Batman. You can’t take all the good names for yourself.
by QuadCitiesCardsFan on Jan 14, 2010 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
He might be the worst studio analyst ever
I so hope that Matheny, Eldred, or even a sock puppet take most of the studio duties in 2010 over Jack Clark.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
yeah
why in the hell would anyone sign Adam Archuleta?
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
i got a great deal on a 50 inch plasma TV for you
i has a few scratches on the back because it fell off a truck
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
by gdm426 on Jan 14, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Leave the steroids
Take the cannoli.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
i kind of understand his frustration
even though the burwell’s and his ilk come off as moral posturers. the players’ livelihoods’ were directly affected by others cheating. I can understand being angry.
that being said, he still comes off an angry old coot. He should choose his words more carefully if he was trying to generate sympathy.
He should have said something when he was still in baseball.
He’s a coward shooting from behind grassy knolls.
Think; It's not illegal yet.
by azruavatar on Jan 14, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I can understand being angry
but saying you’re going to give him the silent treatment strikes me as very strange.
What is Jack Clark on
that makes his skin turn orange? That shit can’t be legal either. He should be banned from TV. His nuclear looking skin will cause more damage to kids than any steroid shooting has done, that’s for sure.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
by fourstick on Jan 14, 2010 6:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Valverde
2yr/14M with an option
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
i beat you to it
but i posted in the wrong thread =(
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
anyway
a big sigh of relief
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Tigers are amassing some serious heat in their pen
Ryan Perry: http://www.fangraphs.com/fgraphs/8799_P_FA_20091003.png
Joel Zumaya: http://www.fangraphs.com/fgraphs/4699_P_FA_20090717.png
Jose Valverde: http://www.fangraphs.com/fgraphs/1726_P_FA_20091001.png
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
hfs. that's crazy dumb. especially for a club that just sold off granderson and has a lot of older, expensive players still.
if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus
I never thought he was going to get that much money
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 14, 2010 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
$7Mil per sounds about right to me
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
exactly
he’s a relief pitcher. he’s gonna pitch 60 innings max. there’s only so much good/damage that can be done in that amount of time. when you can sign ben sheets/brad penny/rich harden/john smoltz for the same or less, it’s kind of ridiculous. but i guess people are enamored with the concept of “closer”
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
yeah he's a closer
good, bad, write or wrong the good ones, and he’s a good one, get paid
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Makes no sense
Granderson was too expensive at 13.25M the next two years but Valverde for the same works? Do they know something about Granderson no one else does?
Not afraid to nitpick
that he would be worth
way more over a full season than valverde?
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
And they gave up a 1st rounder
So effectively Granderson, Edwin Jackson and a 1st rounder for Valverde, Austin Jackson, Scherzer, Schlereth and Coke with basically no cost savings outside of a couple mil on Jackson? Ummm what? Isn’t this why they drafted Ryan Perry to begin with so they wouldn’t have to sign a closer?
Not afraid to nitpick
That ledger...
balances, or nearly does, in my book.
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
They did get Scherzer and Jackson
for Granderson. It’s not like they gave him away for nothing.
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
Granderson was too expensive at 13.25M the next two years
No – it’s not like Granderson was a salary dump. They got like 20 cost-controlled years of a potential ace starter (Scherzer), a likely-to-be-average-or-a-bit-better replacement in CF (A-Jax) and two potentiallty useful bullpen arms (Coke & Schlereth). That’s a pretty good haul for a guy who starts getting quite expensive in the years Detroit are likely to be rebuilding (2012 and 2013). I think the Granderson deal was a great one for the Tigers.
They wouldn’t have traded him if they weren’t getting top prospects in return. Scherzer and Jackson alone will probably be worth more than 20 WAR over the course of their team controlled years.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 15, 2010 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
So, about that last RHP we need in the bullpen
Anyone think Merkin Valdez might be worth a look? He was just cut DFA’d by the Giants to make room for their (increasingly laughable) Aubrey Huff signing.
Valdez walks like a bajillion people (5.11 BB/9 in 2009!), but he also has a fastball that clocks in at 95+. Maybe if Dave Duncan has some spare pixie dust lying around he could turn Merkin’s former-top-prospect potential into something actually useful.
Plus he was TOTALLY awesome in MVP 05, which makes me still kinda love him.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
I loved him in that game.
Eh, not much worse than the bottom feeders in the pen, plus some definite upside with that kind of velocity. Minor League Deal sounds ok.
I vote the anti-Tony ticket:
Aggressiveness on the basepaths,
Patience at the plate.
Burning Man's LLC
told me that picture would not get on the internets!
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Someone's mother
owes someone an apology…
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
by fourstick on Jan 14, 2010 6:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No thanks
67 big league innings is about one full season, and that’s how many he’s thrown in his whole career, while posting a K/9 of a little over 7 and walking 5 guys an inning.
No thank you.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I wouldn't call that a definitive sample size,
but I get your point.
I vote the anti-Tony ticket:
Aggressiveness on the basepaths,
Patience at the plate.
The guy is called Merkin
Think of the game-thread hi-jinx. GO GET HIM MO.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 15, 2010 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
Also OT:....
…I hate Clemson basketball.
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I won't say anything because I asked people not to after Illinois.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Also you may or may not want to read the Off Topic thread.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Nice passive aggressive style, ClemsonGirl
You would fit in well at my company
Mo, you can trade anything of mine.
Did you end up goin' to the game?
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33pts off of 26 turnovers is far from conducive to winning.
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No.
It is not.
I wasn’t comfortable until like 2 minutes though. I have learned to never be comfortable with a Clemson lead in any sport.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
I knew the game was done once y'all opened it up to a 20pt lead
…Very reminiscent of the 08 Final Four game vs Kansas.
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Shoulda convinced Oglesby to stick around and not go to Italy
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He lost as many games as he won with his attitude.
The douchebag.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
So I guess it's all good that Purnell let him walk?
…I love his coaching style, btw. HUGE fan of the press. Especially when UNC runs around it….which they forgot to do last night.
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Yeah definitely.
I really didn’t like him much. I saw him once in the Comm lab and he looked at me like I should be swooning or something and I just looked at him with a bored look on my face.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Wait....
….that’s not how you’re supposed to pick-up ladies?
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Only if you're wearing one of those affliction shirts
or you’re Italian and from Joisey.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
I was fist-pump dance-battling last night at the bar.
Guidodancin’ is the business. Don’t judge.
Ya gotta start the pump down low and bring it up when the refrain comes up.
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Michael Cera vs Conan O'Brien
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I was once pulled onstage during a cabaret in London
It was not pretty.
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
by The Continental on Jan 14, 2010 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
Also, why wear Affliction when I could rock...
…a Victorino shirt?!
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All this time I've been doin' it wrong.
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chloroform is sooo 90's
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
I'm so angry about this fact of my life.
I had a staff meeting last night at 9:30. SO my friend and I were like okay I guess we’re not camping out because we can’t go. Then I get a text message at 1:30 yesterday saying we cancelled the staff meeting because of the game. Great.. Thanks for that now. After people have been camping out since Saturday! And now I won’t get a ticket if I go stand inline. I actually might have but I don’t think so.
So rude.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
See, the last 'Heels game I went to was 2nd-rd NCAA tourney against LSU
…also got to see Duke-Texas, so it was a good 2-game set.
I need to move dead-center between STL and Chapel Hill…
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Also, you can't hate u!
10 years! 10 years! I think it was about time.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
I most certainly can.
I expect domination from all of my teams.
Cardinals, UNC basketball, UNC football (rarity), Green Bay
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UNC Football.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
One of my friends is practically engaged to a Duke fan
and his only rule for their wedding is that it can’t be on a Saturday when Duke has a football game. I was like Duke football? Really? You’re planning your wedding around Duke football?
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
FWIW, Duke's really turned their program around...
…8 years ago, they were miserable. Ever since Cutcliffe came in, it’s been wayyy better. ALMOST bowl-eligible!
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Yeah they're not the worst team ever.
but still I wouldn’t plan my wedding around their football team. Around Clemson’s? Hell yes.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Duke can't even beat Illinois
(actually, they probably could)
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Illinois
will probably be looking for a coach next year. That team doesn’t look good at all, especially without Benn.
It’s ok though, Indiana will be down at the bottom too If only Lynch could coach.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Hope?
the immediate future doesn’t look good, and the schedule will beat them up, but I like the hirings so far this off season.
Petrino’s offense should hopefully do much better than the Schultz/Zook combo last year, and whichever QB wins the job (Charest, Scheelhause, or Witmer) will be more accurate than Juice. His (Petrino) pro style, feed the studs, offense sounds better to me than option-screen-short pass-punt. Leshore and Ford will be solid at RB and the WR’s will be at least average.
Koening will be more aggressive on Defense, and hopefully the Zooker will keep his nose out of there as well. Miami Thomas and Martez Wilson will be back from injury. Ian Thomas and Terry Hawethorn proved themselves last year, and the D-Line will be strong. Safety is still an issue though.
The team will still struggle, most likely, but the new coaches/schemes will be interesting.
(Probably far too in depth college football talk for a baseball blog, so I’ll try to stop)
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Meh, gotta talk about something in the late offseason
Actually, I do have some optimism for Indiana, but it’s just, we get embarassed EVERY SINGLE 2ND HALF. It is frustrating. Hell, Ricky Stanzi throws 5 INT and a fumble and we STILL lose….My god. We play every team close in the 1st, and then get blown out, so saddening. Least our QB is pretty decent, our WR core is pretty nice, and our RB’s are good. Our line is kinda new, and our defense is still pretty bad, but it might be entertaining.
Lynch is a great guy. I mean, he isn’t paid much (3rd worst paycheck among D1), he loves the job, and is an Indiana guy, but he just isn’t a good coach. He’s a hell of a recruiter, as recruiting at Indiana is no small task, but he is just that, an assistant/recruiter, and not a head coach.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
They're probably losing him in the next few days
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 14, 2010 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
I know, shame shame.
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Never have I claimed they were good.
…but I love me some Butch Davis.
…and how can you hate a team that had a guy named “COOTER ARNOLD” on it?
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I don't hate them.
I actually like UNC when they aren’t playing us. But UNC football is… I don’t really know what to say.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
I'll say it for you...
“Mediocre at best with flashes of hope.”
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did everyone here the Hollywood interview this morning?
here it is in case you missed it. quality stuff. my favorite part is where he talks about robbing the reds of HR’s back in 05
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Jimmy will always have a special place in my heart
We have the same name! First and middle
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 14, 2010 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
More like JimtotheFlam
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
by mojowo11 on Jan 14, 2010 7:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
dude was my favorite Cardinal, i hated to hear he's really done
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
yeah couldn't let that quote drift into obscurity
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
"The best catch I ever made was accepting a trade from Anaheim to St. Louis."
Heh.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
this was awesome
thank you for posting it. Jimmy’s a funny mofo. Usually athletes aren’t so opinionated. Some great stories, too (I loved the bit about Dempster).
your welcome, gotta earn my keep around here somehow
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
right after they hang up 51
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
oh goody
just what the world needed
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
He's another player I really can't stand.
Him and that MVP stealing Ryan Howard.
Think; It's not illegal yet.
For a second I thought you were replying above to Jim Edmonds
I literally gasped and said “For Shame” out loud
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 14, 2010 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
anyone who calls themselves the flying hawaiian automaticly goes on the gdm hate list
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Josh Johnson Agrees To Four-Year Extension
Johnson will make $3.75MM this year, $7.75MM next year, and $13.75MM in the final two years of the agreement, according to ESPN’s Jerry Crasnick
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
does the contract state which of the other 29 teams he will be earning $13.75M from?
if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus
by tom s. on Jan 14, 2010 7:54 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
STL?
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
These were my exact thoughts
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
In the spirit of philanthropy
and because I know the Marlins like to keep the payroll under control, I think Mo should offer to “eat” that albatross contract for them. They get Ryan Franklin, everyone’s happy.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 15, 2010 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
hooray! knucklers in the lou!
if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus
in other news, bryan anderson, and matt pagnozzi HATE this decision.
if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus
HA
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
good
maybe pagnozzi will request a trade
(for a case of new bats for Albert)
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Are you kidding me?
Pagnozzi has a chance to become a knuckleball catching specialist. This could be his only conceivable niche at the big league level. Plus he gets one of those cool huge floppy gloves!
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
Why?
For two reasons. Given his stats, what is in it for us, and why does Mathew overuse the word intriguing so much? In this case mystifying may be a better adjective.
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Jan 14, 2010 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
he's a knuckler
they generally only start to get effective in their 30s. His best years are probably ahead of him.
I doubt he starts a game for us this year, mind you. It’s just a low-risk, upside sorta move.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 15, 2010 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
makes you wonder
if Duncan can teach a knuckleballer a two-seamer….
by nota bene on Jan 14, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
The Cardinals and Auburn basketball are overlapping for me right now
THROW MOAR SINKERZ:Cardinals baseball::SHOOT MOAR THREEZ:Auburn basketball
How Jeff Lebo is still our coach, I haven’t the foggiest
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
Well, almost Indiana basketball time
Still pissed at Illinois, but I will live :P
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Tisdale
is now wearing a flak jacket after the beating he took against you guys
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
"Beating"
I know Pritchard has fingers of steel, but does his touch hurt that bad?
/end sarcastic rant
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
I go to Indiana's law school
I tried to care about basketball this year, but football broke my heart. I thought they were good enough for a bowl game. They played Michigan so well.
by Mulliganstew on Jan 14, 2010 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
Gah
And the Notre Dame shots cometh.
:)
/puts on bulletproof vest
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Not for much longer I'm sure.
By picking up Kelly, you’re almost guaranteed 2 to 3 more wins a season based on coaching decisions alone. Weis really choked in some games this year. Michigan especially. Not that we’re complaining. : )
Ahaha
I do have complete confidence in Kelly. I think Stoops would have been the best option, but hey, Kelly is proven :P. That’s more than I can say about a certain coach we had last year…
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Eh Kelly is a creep too
karma’s a bitch. I’d rather have an awful football team with a stand up coach like Zook. Ok maybe not, but I’d still rather have a decent guy running the program.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
I agree
It’s too bad, if we had a decent D-Coordinator (Tenuta has been here forever and has sucked the entire time), we would be at least 9-3.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
I just enjoy the people
who expect winning out of Illinois football… what is this the 20s? Illinois football is much more enjoyable when you have no preconceived notions that winning will occur.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
I don't see how we didn't have a shot
Now would be a perfect time for him to leave OK. Loses the QB to the NFL, loses a bunch of key first round pieces, and that fanbase still seems to think he can’t win the big game.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
They were good enough for a bowl
They at least could hold on with teams through the 1st half, but the problem was that we couldn’t make the adjustments to keep up
I would be so happy if Lynch could remedy this, but I feel his time is short.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Question for anyone that can help
I’m in a baseball arbitration competition next weekend and have to argue for/against certain players getting specific salaries. Is there a good way to explain how, say, 4.5 WAR equals $20.4 million in production?
I’m somewhat reluctant to even bring up WAR given that the “arbitrators” probably won’t even know what it means, but if there was a decent, accessible way to explain how it equals a certain dollar value in production, it would definitely help my cause. Thanks in advance if anyone has any ideas.
"I think he's the best hitter of all time. I think there has never been a better hitter than him. And I know I didn't see them all, but I just don't think there could be." - Adam Wainwright on The Mang
here's a good explanation
of how wins are converted to dollarts
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
likey mas?
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/measuring-the-dollar-value-of-a-player-part-2/
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
I have never believed in the $4.4M win thing
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 14, 2010 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
it's more
that that’s the going rate for a win. as the THT article states, the value of a win is dependent upon many things, especially how good the team already is, with the most valuable wins being just shy of $2MM
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
meaning
that on a per-WAR basis, that is roughly how FA players are paid
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
i understand it is the average
To bad treats it that way. Markets are more complex than that. I also believe a 2 WAR player is more than twice as valuable as a 1 WAR player due to scarcity of position.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 14, 2010 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
most people wouldn't disagree with you
a 6 WAR player is more valuable than three 2 WAR players. they’re still paid linearly, though
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
unless lets say
Their was a good wave of SS come through the minors lowering the value of all SS’s
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 14, 2010 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
of course ther will be outliers
but the overall average price for a win is going to be about $4.5MM
if in 6 years when all those SSs hit free agency, none of them have flamed out and none sign contract extensions, then it might slightly offset the 10% $/WAR inflation rate, but not enough t dismiss the entire idea
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
I don't understand why scarcity = value
by vivaelpujols on Jan 15, 2010 2:14 AM EST up reply actions
you totally suck at understanding shit.
MAAAAAN!
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 15, 2010 9:35 AM EST up reply actions
oh shit!
i was wondering how you read it so fast! i just forgot the link
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/win-values-explained-part-six/#comment-58487
the fangraphs one shows more how FG translates WAR to dollar value. the THT one is more about player performance affecting revenue
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
i don't know why it linked to a comment
just scroll up to the article
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
that said
WAR probably wouldn’t be a good measure of what arb players would make anyway since the team has exclusive negotiating rights and arb players don’t typically make what a FA player would make
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
for arb players I have always gone by the rule
40/60/80
40% what they would get on the free market the first year and so on
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 14, 2010 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
i was trying to find something about this. is this a rule or just a generally accepted practice?
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
step 1. find this mysterious replacement player
step 2. ???
step 3. profit!
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jan 14, 2010 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
The 20.4M is basically what you would've paid on the free agency marker in 08 to receive that level of production.
Correct me if I’m wrong.
I am the Batman
It's pretty simple
If you look at the salaries of all free agents over the past few years, adjusted for inflation, as a function of projected WAR, you’ll find that A) the scale is linear (meaning that a 2 WAR player is paid twice as much as a 1 WAR player) and B) the average dollars per projected WAR is around 4.0 (depending on how you project WAR).
Dave Cameron also has a nice explanation of that process here.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/win-values-explained-part-six
by vivaelpujols on Jan 15, 2010 2:13 AM EST up reply actions
I'll say it
do you get curly fries if you win?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Seriously OT, buuuuut ...
Looking at taking the GF to Napa in October. Is anyone familiar with the area? Is that a good time to go and would anyone have some good resources for planning day trips? I don’t want to go to the same vineyard every Tom (Pagnozzi), Dick (Ankiel), and Harry (Carey) go to. Read: No bus loads of senior citizens.
by QuadCitiesCardsFan on Jan 14, 2010 9:42 PM EST reply actions
There are other options...
off the beaten track… Napa is not off the beaten track by any stretch. Have you seen Sideways? Funny freakin movie. I saw it with my mother-in-law [cringe]. When dude started going on and on about having anal sex with the plump waitress I about wanted to crawl under the chair.
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
I live about 30 miles south of Napa and go up to wine country about 2x a month.
Napa and Sonoma have very different vibes and are next door to each other (more or less) so if you’re in the area you should try both counties. If you’re set on Napa, in my opinion the best area for wine tasting is on the east side of Napa along the Silverado Trail. Some great wine on this trail includes Chimney Rock for their great reds, Stags Leap (good cab and old vine reds), Mumm for the great valley view from their tasting deck and fairly good sparkling wine. For an off-the-beaten-track experience I recommend Bremer Family Vineyard. You need to make an appointment to visit there, but they have some of the best wines I’ve ever tasted and everybody I send there tells me they loved it. I’d recommend packing a picnic (stop at the Soda Canyon Store to get supplies) to take to Bremer and eat outside while tasting. It’s located on Howell Mountain and offers great views of the valley. If you want to eat out for lunch, Auberge Du Soleil has great food and an unbelievable view from their deck. If you are staying up there I’d recommend staying in Calistoga, specifically at the Calistoga Ranch (super pricey though).
I could go on and on, so feel free to shoot me an email and I can give you more options in Sonoma as well. My email is cnorlander at mac dot com.
NorCal CARDS FAN
I live in San Francisco
I know nothing about Napa and can’t help you.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
I am watching the 1956? (I can't remember what it said) World Series right now on ESPN Classic.
It is so awesome.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
hilarous ...
And I loved it! “I AM NOT DRINKING FUCKING MERLOT!”
I know its not. I’ve never been to the Cali wine country so you gotta see Napa Valley once. There’s like 300 wineries. I’m sure some are off the proverbial beaten path.
by QuadCitiesCardsFan on Jan 14, 2010 9:54 PM EST reply actions
i suck at replying
this was to guayzimi
by QuadCitiesCardsFan on Jan 14, 2010 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
can we pretend you weren't?
that would make this thread feel more like riding on a bus downtown.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jan 14, 2010 9:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
more like
populated with homeless/schizophrenics. in which you would be playing the part of…nevermind. i’m tired of explaining myself.
/puts on headphones to ignore schizo homeless guy
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jan 14, 2010 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
oooooh
/hits the button on the GFCI that Tudor’s Electric Fan is plugged into
by QuadCitiesCardsFan on Jan 14, 2010 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
replying...
is overrated… Don’t let the reply fail fascists get to you.
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
REC
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 14, 2010 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
it wasn't really written
in the most neutral manner, but he’s pretty much right
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, but this was the exact same deal as the Rays trade for Soriano, which he defended
by vivaelpujols on Jan 14, 2010 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
had the rays
just shed a similar contract?
i don’t think i can get behind more than $5MM for a reliever under many circumstances, but the truly ridiculous thing with the tigers is that this was right after dumping granderson. it’s like they were kids in the mall with money just burning a hole in their pockets
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
I like what...
they got back for Granderson.
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
what do you mean?
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
well
Ordonez 18M
Willis 12.5M
Robertson 12M
Inge 6.5M
Bonderman 12.5M
are all gone after 2010.
I am the Batman
maggs
still has an option for 2011 that can vest with PAs
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
not that drama again(MLBTR is going to runin my summer with those.
still if he doesn’t vest, that’s 50M off the books.
I am the Batman
yeah
that’s some cash, for sure. then i’m sure they’ll take their helping of the 2011 FA class and blow their load on a bunch of other cabrera/ordonez-esque deals
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
the granderson trade was a good one
but it was a salary dump. and it doesn’t make any sense to turn around and give the exact same contract to a guy who won’t be able to give nearly as much value. plus cost you a first round pick
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
yeah I mostly agree...
Granderson was signed to a 3/26, so this contract isn’t as much. But I get your point… The Granderson trade was good for the Tigers, this is bad.
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
i actually thought
it was 2/13.5, but that’s just for the next two years. it’s still a bad deal, but i guess they don’t owe that extra $12MM to him.
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
Plus I get a little bit of a bad feeling about Granderson...
It seems like his game is moving away from his speed… more balls in the air, more Ks, less steals. He’s still awesome, but .240 batting average could be the new normal for him.
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
hell, but
his .249 BA still translated into a league average wOBA and helped him to a 3.4 WAR 2009
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
and
he stole 20 bases last year. second most of his career
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, he's an excellent player
But I think the return they got back from him, and the overrated Jackson, was better than keeping the two and not signing Valverde (not that one necessitated the other)
by vivaelpujols on Jan 14, 2010 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
It wasn't a salary dump
The haul they got back was excellent.
and it doesn’t make any sense to turn around and give the exact same contract to a guy who won’t be able to give nearly as much value.
It wasn’t either or. Basically, it’s Sherzer and Valverde vs. just Granderson.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 14, 2010 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
just because they got a good return
doesn’t mean it wasn’t a salary dump
it’s a good trade for a 3-4 WAR player, but they still moved him to reduce salary. at least that’s what was advertised and that’s why they were also shopping cabrera, reportedly
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
Cabrera doesn't have a good contract
He’s a good player, but not good enough to justify his contract.
At any rate, Sherzer is at least a 2-3 WAR player right now, with a hell of a lot more upside – and Jackson is still a very solid prospect. Sclerith and Coke are quality relievers, under team control for the next 6 years.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 14, 2010 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
it's a good trade.
i agree
it also brought some salary relief which the tigers were in need of. or so it seemed
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
And I agree that Valverde is a bad contract
But if you take a look at how FanGraphs reacted to the Valverde deal vs. the Soriano deal, it’s disgusting the amount of bias that shows up.
I like FanGraphs stats, and they have some good writers – but there really is some serious groupthink and speciousness going on there.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 14, 2010 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
I couldn't agree more
I trade to wade in somewhat on your side of that argument… I definitely agree that there’s a big pseudo-sabr movement that rather lazily dismisses certain things off-hand, when in reality it’s pretty much the antithesis of sabremetrics to come at a problem with your mind already made up.
I think this has happened more than once in the past. Everyone on there was parroting (this time last year) that John Garland’s peripherals were falling off a cliff and he’d be an awful signing for anyone at $8m or whatever, when in fact they weren’t, he wasn’t (and I’m not saying this as a big Garland fan or anything, I’m glad WE didn’t sign him last year, but the fact is he was still more or less the same 2-3 win pitcher he’s always been, just with a few more years on the clock and a bit of a drop in his K-rate).
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 15, 2010 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
the granderson trade was a good one
but it was a salary dump.
No it wasn’t. They probably got back similar value right now. A-Jax is probably a 2 win downgrade from Grandy, but Scherzer is probably a 3-win upgrade (at least) from the guys he’s likely to push out of the rotation (the likes of Nate Robertson). And they add Coke and Schlereth, who can probably help out their bullpen right away. I guess they lost Edwin Jackson so you could argue they got worse there, maybe 2 wins or so lost. They only saved about $4m in 2010.
At worst, they’ve stayed at more or less the same value in 2010, maybe lost one win or so but saved enough money to buy that win back on the FA market, and got a lot better (and cheaper) in the long run.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 15, 2010 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
okay
why does a salary dump necessitate getting a bad return? they trade made them better, but they still got salary relief. it was a salary dump, though it looks more like they were dumping his future salary more than his 2010 salary considering the valverde signing
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
I don't mind that
It’s the general attitude that every single deal can be broken down into WAR/salary and the notiont that you can find league average players for free.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 14, 2010 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
they also seem to have vendettas against certain sorts of players. Pretty much any player with a positive WAR can be a potentially good signing at the right price and in the right circumstances. I think sometimes they just see that a bad GM has signed a player who isn’t very “fangraphs-friendly” and criticise the deal based on that.
The Valverde deal isn’t great, but if they (say) feel that relievers are under-valued by WAR and other sabr-stats (not an unreasonable position, IMO), and feel that with the addition of Scherzer that their rotation is set for 2010, there probably aren’t too many other spots they could’ve spent $7m on and improve by the same amount. They’ve got near average players at every position (though I think 2B is arguably an area they could’ve made a move on, Lopez or Hudson would’ve been a better signing than Valverde) and a potentially pretty shaky pen, assuming Zumaya is going to default to his usual “injured 75% of the time” season.
Calero and Dotel are more cost-effective options, but Valverde IS better than both of them, and he’s a flyball pitcher moving to a bigger park. I can see the argument for why they wanted him. He probably adds 1-2 wins to their final total this year (well, at least 1!), and it’s hard to do much better than that with $7m anywhere else in their team.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 15, 2010 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
So drinkers
Vodka Grey Goose, VOX or Stolichnaya? Is Russian Standard on par with those three? Potato or Grain? Discuss.
When you discuss
you remind me of my first girlfriend. “So i was thinking maybe italian or mexican for dinner, what do you think” “Okay”
Bathtub.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jan 14, 2010 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
no vodka
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
haha, rum is pretty gross, too
i drank way too much of that stuff in my youth. i did tend to like the cap’n then, though. and to preempt you, no gin
let’s stick with whiskey and tequila. knob creek and patron
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
i'll be 25 in two months
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
gladly
i’m not too excited about being 25
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
It's not so bad
You can rent cars now
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 14, 2010 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
i could before
but i had to pay a “young renters” fee
i definitely did consider this
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
I will never get off your lawn.
What are you going to do shoot me? My armor is bullet-proof.
I am the Batman
Kilo Kai Spiced Rum.
…So much better than Sailor or Captain.
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BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
by vexedtechie on Jan 15, 2010 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
my friend has a friend has a friend
who’s dad owns that company. apparently it’s good shit.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 15, 2010 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
whose*
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 15, 2010 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
Well I know a guy who has a friend that has a friend who his friend is the son of the guy who owns the company.
I am the Batman
smartass.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 15, 2010 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
De. Licious.
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by vexedtechie on Jan 15, 2010 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
haven't tried that yet
it’s even spendier than Sailor’s is, but I might have to try it @ some point.
It's not really, it's on-average about 90 cents more for a 5th than Captain
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by vexedtechie on Jan 15, 2010 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
whichever one dad smelled like.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jan 14, 2010 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
yes
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
if you still have nose hairs after drinking it
it’s the wrong kind.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jan 14, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
scotch is better
but i drink more bourbon
"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."
by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
yes
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
To peat or not to peat?
It is really an acquired taste. I prefer non peat single malt. Does the peat have any medicinal purposes that I am not aware of – hangover cure?
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Jan 14, 2010 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
i don't think it actually physically has peat in it!
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 15, 2010 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
A fine
distinction. I just went to this site, and here is what they say:
“The barley malt for Scotch whisky is first dried over fires that have been stoked with dried peat (a form of compacted grass and heather compost that is harvested from the moors). The peat smoke adds a distinctive smoky tang to the taste of the malt whisky.”
http://www.tastings.com/spirits/scotch.html
So, while there is no peat used as a direct ingredient in the distillation process, its’ scent certainly imbues the barley, and leads to the distinctive flavour which is, as I said, an acquired taste. Clever scottish clansmen, trying to make their hooch taste bad so no one would steal it!
So,
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Jan 15, 2010 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
no fun.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 14, 2010 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
yes
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
OT Homework quesion for all good VEBers
name three movies where samuel jackson didn’t have a weapon in his hand.
I am the Batman
Inglourious Basterds, Astro Boy, The Incredibles
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 15, 2010 1:04 AM EST up reply actions
Kiddin' me?! That glass cane was most definitely a weapon.
Think of the damage you could do! Lacerations out the wazoo.
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BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
It was a weapon to the people at the bottom of the stairs when he fell down.
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BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
Iron Man, I think
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
Jurassic Park?
Die Hard 3? Unbreakable
"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is ALBERT when I lay my vengeance upon thee." -The Bible
by Cardinals645 on Jan 15, 2010 1:14 AM EST up reply actions
i'm pretty sure he has a gun at one point in die hard 3
he doesn’t know to take the safety off, so he can’t fire it, IIRC.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 15, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
He smoked cigarettes in JP
Have you ever had someone put out their cig butt on you skin? Shit burns!
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 15, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
well looks like everyone went to bed
probably outta mosey on down that path too
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
gdm's gone now, everybody
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Did I miss anything good?
I saw there were a large number of comments and decided to skip reading them all.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
hang on a sec
I think there was an actual bacon line todaynight.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
lessee
you can read from the top, there’s good stuff like super saiyan tony and what carp is really saying to boggs. probably some dingers. …wick. read all the green, it’s pretty good.
spants is taking a trip! which is pretty interesting until cody gets spants’d. oh never mind, that’s pretty interesting, but around then it runs off the rails.
baseball resumes
incomplete list: Jack Clark shot, Jimmy Edmonds interview link, VEP says something about fangraphs, actual baseball, what up with that, until the wine
not my best work. hmm.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
in fact I forgot to say I sum up.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
couple more guidepost things
to break up that block up top
Jason Motte, PJ Walters, Brendan Ryan
Rick Ankiel, Aaron Miles, Felipe Lopez, guys named Brandon, Dayton Moore
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
and Ryan Ludwick!
geez, I’m trying to talk him up and I forget him in the link.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
You must either have
severe insomnia or absolutely nothing to do with your time. I can’t believe you went through all this work.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
well i can't sleep
and it looks like i’m fucking useless around here
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Being up this late is what all the cool kids are doing
well that and smoking.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
i only smoke cigars, and it's too damn cold outside to light one up
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
I'm more of a pipe man myself
granted I smoke it like 3 times a year cause that’s all I really have the patience for…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
how come i'm picturing bob kelso hitting on elliott in season one right now?
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
I have no clue
I have to catch up on old Scrubs after I catch up on old Nip/Tuck. But yeah a pipe is a pain in the ass to keep lit. And since I only really like to smoke when I drink it doesn’t get used that much since Illinois in it’s infinite wisdom outlawed smoking in bars… jerks. I’m sure if I smoked it more my technique would get much better.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
"Up yours, bobo"
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
well timestamp says
it only took me 15 minutes
that’s like one-and-a-half Carp innings
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
don't quote me. that's math.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Still a very impressive effort
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
thank you
i hope to train someone in the dark art of linking before the year is out
or holliday’s contract runs out
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I have always wondered how you link to specific comments
And since I’m not really bringing anything to the table with stats stuff I could be your lieutenant on that front.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
works on most blogging sites
right-click on the time/date, and copy link location. that link – with the # thing – will jump to any part of a page.
btw the dark side doesn’t have lieutenants. only potential rivals. salary cap and all.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Well hot dog...
Now the key is to remember this tomorrow nite… when I can use the knowledge to take over the world.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
also fairly new --
I decided to mark those page summaries with “I sum up” for easier searching.
hopefully less likely to be used for any other reason. it’s like how we can’t find any news on Colby Rasmus for months and months, except opposite.
don’t forget the hovercars.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Your posts are getting
exceedingly random…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
it'll all make sense in the morning
or, daylight.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I'll take your word for it.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
you know it really does
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 15, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
no, we thought gdm was gone
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
so what you're saying is gdm is where the party at?
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
the party starts when gdm leaves
but he came back, so I guess I’m going to bed
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
well good night
the only thing i really had to comment on was the ongoing awesomeness that is “The Jersey Shore.”
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
I need to wait for them to post it online...
But I can only assume amazing happened tonite.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
words cannot describe
no other show has ever caused me to throw celebratory fist pumps in the air and yet i find myself doing it repeatedly when i watch the jersey shore.
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
I can't watch the show continuously.
I’m afraid my brain will either explode or atrophy if I sit thorough an entire show at once.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Did you see the Atlantic City episode?
OMG. It was hilarious.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Jan 15, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
the situation is, without a doubt, the biggest douche bag of all time
OF ALL TIME
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
That is a tough crown to obtain.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
oh wait, I remembered what I was going to comment
the League Minimum post needs one moar rec
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
words hurt you know
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
picture's worth a thousand words
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
....

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
instantrimshot.com?
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Hitting Advice
“Direct line to the pitch. Consistent swing mechanics (even when there is no intent to swing at, say, a ball out of the strike zone). And, especially with Ryan, keeping the forearm and bat in a right angle longer and through the ball.”
Direct line to the pitch is questionable advice. If it’s followed, you can end up with Joe Thurston’s swing.
Consistency and maintaining the hinge angle is good advice.
i
dont care whatsoever if mcgwire used steroids. he is going to be a great coach

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