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Notes: or, the last time I mention Mark McGwire, at least this week

Now that we are done talking about Mark McGwire the historical figure, let me just say that it was exciting to hear this from a hitting coach: 

McGwire described how ready he is now to get to spring training and begin working with the Cardinals hitters. He has been reviewing video of some of the hitters, and he's been preparing some ways to get his message across. During the session Wednesday with Schumaker and Ryan, he stressed what he usually stresses: Direct line to the pitch. Consistent swing mechanics (even when there is no intent to swing at, say, a ball out of the strike zone). And, especially with Ryan, keeping the forearm and bat in a right angle longer and through the ball.

After the past two days, McGwire sees little to distract him from his new vocation.

Someone—maybe me, eventually, but I haven't started yet—will eventually determine whether Hal McRae's connection with the free-swinging Cardinals of the last few years is justified. But this quote is just about all I want in a hitting coach—a comfort with video, a determination that hitting can and must be systematically taught, and ideas. Obviously McRae was at a disadvantage, here, when it comes to having his ideas covered in multi-day interviews by the Post-Dispatch. But 

(This is also, incidentally, why I believe that McGwire honestly does not believe that steroids had a significant effect on counting stats beyond games played: the usual boilerplate about steroids not swinging the bat for you or improving your hand-eye coordination is accompanied, here, by an alternate theory to which he's apparently held for the past fifteen years.) 

McGwire's seriousness about hitting is no guarantee of success, but given the choice between a Dave Duncan type, with an obvious guiding philosophy that I might sometimes disagree with, and a Hal McRae type—and with no guarantee of quality in either direction—I'll take the Duncan every time. Remind me of this, please, when McGwire is turning Anthony Reyes into a groundball hitter.

Star-divide

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Jose Valverde came and went as news over the course of yesterday, which makes this an odd, valedictory notes item, but even if Valverde himself—I can't get behind giving up a draft pick for him, even though he is a perfectly good second-tier closer—isn't the choice I think he's representative of a certain understandable Ryan Franklin angst. 

But the more I think about it the more I'm ready for the possibility that the Cardinals enter the season without outside bullpen help. Don't get me wrong: I see no downside to signing Kiko Calero, and I have no idea why nobody's done it yet. But after looking at the remaining free agents—I used this list—I realized that if Ryan Franklin were a free agent available on an affordable one year deal I would probably be writing similar things about him, anyway.

When you don't watch his seasons day after day—when you don't watch him look picture-perfect for two months fully aware that there will come a time at some point in the season where every swing is a line drive in some direction, and the hope is that someone, a fan or a fielder, is prepared to catch them before they hit teeth—it looks like he's adjusted pretty well to the relief role. And as frustrating as he is, even more frustrating than the average closer, he has.

So my hope, if the Cardinals don't go the exceedingly obvious Calero route or the less obvious and possibly cringe-inducing Valverde route, is this: that they get as many possible Ryan Franklins in camp as possible. Former starters? Failed prospects? Eric Gagne, most recently a starter in the Canadian-American league? I want all of them. My favorite guys in this last tier, at this very moment, are ROOGYs, because I recall with a certain hindsight-drenched fondness the way that La Russa used Russ Springer. The real Russ Springer is available, but may cost real money; Brendan Donnelly and former super-ROOGY Chad Bradford are also floating around. 

If this sounds like I've lowered my expectations... well, I have. I'm content with a possible Jason Motte recovery remaining the major bullpen acquisition of the offseason. But I'd like some more guys to talk about in February, if nothing else. 

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I thought this was pretty interesting: Carlos Beltran underwent knee surgery without the Mets' consent. There's a line, I think, running between this and Mark McGwire's recent steroid admission—players operating within their own self-interest, attempting to get the most out of what is an extremely limited, terrifyingly short career.

Of all the things in McGwire's statements I could empathize most with that, his worry about losing his physical gifts right as he began retooling his swing. Baseball players peak around 27; McGwire was already 29, having lost a year to injury, when he decided that he'd been swinging wrong, and approaching the game incorrectly, for his entire life. Carlos Beltran is 33.

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I agree on the comfort that McGwire

is beginning to inspire in me in his ability to coach hitters. Hitting is, or perhaps should be, a type of repetitive motion sort of thing and I think approaching it in that guise is completely called for.

NO VALVERDE!!!! The Cards are not in the position to be giving up any more draft picks for the foreseeable future. StL is going to have some extra picks this year and they need to make the absolute most of them. They, with absolute certainty, cannot be willing to surrender any, at all.

I have plenty faith in Duncan’s ability to make someone (provided they are old and washed up) into a presentable reliever.

The Mets… the Mets. Maybe Beltran will be ready to go at full strength early, even if not the beginning, but still… the Mets. Wow.

They say sing while you slave but I just get bored

by Scarecrow7775 on Jan 14, 2010 6:46 AM EST reply actions  

Signing Valverde...

May not be that bad of an idea if the price is right. He’s by far the best reliever available and perhaps his cost will be cheaper due to the draft pick, if we offer him a 1-year deal with the stipulation we won’t offer arbitration.

If we turn around and spend the money saved on the international market the affect on our farm system would probably be negligible. We already have two top 50 draft picks that may hardly be any lower than our 1st rounder since we placed so highly last season, so the cost isn’t THAT great.

Granted it’s fairly high, but there are a number of factors to look at in making a move like this.

The Cardinals team looks very good right now and they may not have a better chance than this year or next year to win a World Series during the length of Pujols’ and Holliday’s tenure with the team, so grabbing Valverde now makes all the sense in the world.

Of course if you feel you can get similar performance by signing Kiko Calero and Russ Springer or something by all means do that, but the Cardinals bullpen would look MUCH MUCH better with a guy they can count on to be great when he’s in the game, and they don’t have anyone who really fits that bill right now.

by oplaid on Jan 14, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Y'know, you bring up a good point. . .

albeit in reverse. Why not sign Valverde to a 1 year deal with the idea that when you let him walk in a year (if you do), you get hte pick then? Sure, there’s the risk that he’s no longer a Type A, and given his experience this offseason, maybe he insists on not being offered arby, but if you don’t give that stipulation, I’d pay him market (at least in this depressed market).

by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 14, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

The point of the one year deal

Is to remove his arbitration tag.

Teams that have large payrolls still don’t want to spend on Valverde because they are giving up a draft pick.

So, a team signs him to a cheap one-year deal below his market value and agrees not to offer arbitration. Then, Valverde can become a free agent with the draft pick looming over him and will be free to sign a multi-year deal to the highest bidder at his market price.

I doubt Valverde will ever accept a 1-year offer unless the price is exorbitant without an agreement that the team signing him will not offer him arbitration for the next season. He’s looking for that last big deal, wanting to cash in one more time before his career ends, and he’s having a harder time getting it because teams don’t want to pay the draft pick cost.

To be honest it seems like a pretty weird system, to me; it punishes a player for playing well and earning himself Type A status since teams will subtract the cost of that draft pick from what they’re willing to pay the player. This is especially a big problem for relievers like Valverde; the system used to decide Type A status really overvalues them.

by oplaid on Jan 14, 2010 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

hitting coach

i agree that at this point he looks like he could be a pretty good coach; the only thing i wonder about there is whether mcgwire could be like a ted williams, who had trouble coaching because it was not easy for him to understand why a player couldnt do it like he did; hopefully mcgwire can be better at reaching guys

another question i have about the hitting coach situation: is mike aldrete still around? i havent heard his name mentioned this offseason

OT: do not sign valverde; we need that draft pick

Pujols is the greatest Cardinal in my lifetime.

by bigcardsfan5 on Jan 14, 2010 7:23 AM EST reply actions  

agree

I find these comments terrifying. If there’s one thing I’ve learned from watching the MLB it’s that the philosophy of one correct swing that we were taught in little league/ high school baseball is false (see Vladimir Geurrero/ Kevin Youklis/Gary Gaetti et al) .

I’m really worried that his philosophy is going to involve him trying to retool everyones swings. Plate discipline is one thing… timing mechanisms are another (see Matt Holliday)

by mr banana grabber on Jan 14, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

that would be my more rational reason for fearing a change in Boog's pre-swing routine.

Though we never have figured out what exactly Boog is timing, there…

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

true

I guess I just worry about it more with McGwire because he is a guy who hit one way, then changed his career-long philosophy and saw results. I think a guy like that is more likely to believe that there is one swing to rule them all (BAZINGGGG) rather than someone who can evaluate swings objectively …

by mr banana grabber on Jan 14, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

well if he can teach everyone a dingers swing

and they all are able to master it, i couldn’t care less if the guys looked like a synchronized swimming team at the plate, as long as it results in MOAR DINGERS

by d-dee on Jan 14, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

AKA RALLY KILLERS

You may run like Hayes, but you hit like shit.

by flipthebird on Jan 14, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

NO BOOG, STOP AT FIRST.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Rapstar was the one who should stop at first

and suckston was supposed to stop at second

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 14, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

From what I've read (and maybe I'm not understanding)

he appears to be saying that the bat getting to the ball in a certain way is best. He doesn’t appear to be saying there is only one way to do this. He appears to have the idea that however you do that is good for you as long the bat is getting to the ball that way. For some people that may mean changing their current swing but I don’t think Mac thinks everyone should swing like him. At least that’s not the impression I get.
And someone said that Matt Holliday wanted to change his leg kick and Mac didn’t initiate this. That comment appeared to go largely unnoticed so I have no idea if it’s true or not but in that case you couldn’t blame Mac for taking that out if that is what his student was asking him to do.

I’m more worried about the media making stupid accusations if our once below average hitters start improving. I think we all know what I mean. This would make me unbelievably angry and I don’t get angry that easily.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 14, 2010 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

you're right about the leg kick thing

Goold’s story

And I share your same concerns re what happens when our offense inevitably gets better.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Jan 14, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

you won't like her when she's angry

just remind yourself they didn’t notice how bad McRae was, so they can’t be that smart.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Good points

All in all, I’m confident Mac won’t try too hard to fix what isn’t broke.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jan 14, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

can't deny physics when it comes to the best way to put the bat to the ball

since players are of different height, weight, posture, arm length etc, the swing will be different for everyone but, if mastered, will (should) result in the same thing. i think Mac is smart enough to realize that (if i just did, then he definitely will)

and if our below average hitters suddenly improve, i still think the media would look really stupid starting to suggest things. unless lean muscle boog all of a sudden packs on biceps that won’t fit in a regular t-shirt’s sleeves, i think we’re in the clear

by d-dee on Jan 14, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

careful
unless lean muscle boog all of a sudden packs on biceps that won’t fit in a regular t-shirt’s sleeves

that was last year. on the advice of the coaches.

it’s kind of… problematic that Tony retains a huge portion of his coaching staff from place to place. if someone wants to go digging, don’t get me wrong, they’re stirring it. but there’s a lot to dig up.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

And what if Colby doesn't lose all that weight he did last year?

They’ll take pictures from the end of this and pictures from how he looks at the time and start saying stuff. It is really going to upset me.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 14, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

you know there's always going to be some idiot

don’t let it get to you

and if they start running their mouths, then they can line up outside the locker room 162 times with a bag full of urine sample cups and test away. but then i would expect the same thing from the dodgers, yankees and every club that has someone on their team or staff linked to steroids. because everything else would be harassment

by d-dee on Jan 14, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

But that's thing they Yankees, the Red Sox, even the Dodgers get free passes.

It’s hypocritical and stupid and nothing upsets me more than someone being stupid and making baseless claims because they have the power to ruin someone.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 14, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

then arm yourself with a rebuttal

come on… it’s fun.
(we’ll corrupt you yet.)

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

That's easy show them a picture of him from ST last season.

They won’t care though.
I mean I’m not going to go on some crazy rampage, I’ll just be annoyed.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 14, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

hehehe

you said “butt”.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 15, 2010 8:10 AM EST up reply actions  

have some hot chocolate and keep telling yourself

there’s idiots everywhere
there’s idiots everywhere

the older you get, the less you’ll care about what other people have to say or think about you or things you care about

besides, i find few things more stimulating and fun than a good old smart discussion backed by facts. if they have no proof, they got nothing

by d-dee on Jan 14, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Everyone seems to think I am going to cry about this every day or something.

I get it, people are stupid. I don’t like that stupid people are given the power to ruin someone. I’ll just be annoyed and probably will not say a thing at all about it and move on.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 14, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

no, i get it

i have a short fuse and get annoyed by stuff like that every day
i yell at the tv alot – it’s fun

by d-dee on Jan 14, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I rarely get angry

I tend to internalize alot, but it doesn’t really build up too much. If my friends ever see me get really angry, they know something must have really pissed me off.

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 14, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Word

The only time is yell is if I’m playing sports, and that’s (almost) always motivation or direction for my own teammates.

People are too damn tense. Everyone needs to just relax. Anger isn’t productive.

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 14, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I run my mouth when I'm drunk

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 14, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

But never in an angry way, just trying to be funny

Sometimes, complete strangers don’t find the humor in me insulting them, go figure

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 14, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

same problem

fortunately, I’ve only ended in the hospital with a skull fracture once

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Jan 14, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

That's once more than me

/knock on wood

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 14, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

is this what they call unclenching?

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

i get really mad no less than 5 time a day

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 14, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

That's because you're discussing a hypothetical

situation that will hypothetically make you upset.

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Jan 14, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

...for the Hall of Fame

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Jan 14, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

i just ate 7 pieces of the glorious bacons

i feeeeeel goooooooooooood

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 14, 2010 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

"in the clear"

Pun intended?

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 14, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Let them whine

while the Cards take a team OPS+ of 140 to the playoffs and pass the drug screens.

Baseball Fever....WPS!

by skcabrozar on Jan 14, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I suspect Valverde might be the single best potential addition left on the FA market

simply because the other possible upgradable (is that even a word?) spots have a fairly high floor – 5th starter, 3B and RH-2B-platoon-guy all have viable internal options, whilst Valverde would likely be kicking a likely replacement-level option out of the back of the bullpen door (Kinney, KMac, Hawk or someone).

That said, it’s very difficult to imagine us being competitive in a few years unless we hoard every draft pick we can lay our hands on, especially first rounders. Giving one up to a divisional rival seems even more foolhardy. I think adding a Kiko or a Springer to nail opposing right-handers, whilst adding a 5th starter/Felipe Lopez/Russ Branyan, and keeping that valuable pick makes more sense. Valverde is arguably the best “win now” move, but I’d like to win some in the future, too, please.

Regarding McGwire, I couldn’t agree more. One of the exciting things about this (admittedly rather poor) Cardinals offense is that there’s a lot of POTENTIAL there, in terms of production and, most specifically, getting on base. It just seemed, under McRae, that potential was going completely untapped, and the lack of any discernible plan other than “grip and rip” was concerning. I can’t remember a single Cardinal hitter in the last few years saying in an interview words to the effect “McRae’s really helped me iron out my swing” or “My approach at the plate is so much better now, after buying into the team’s way of thinking”.

Ryan Ludwick has put up a .380+ OBP before. Colby has been a patient, solid hitter in the minors. David Freese has an impressive AAA OBP (albeit somewhat BABIP-driven). If we don’t sign either Branyan or Lopez, we NEED someone to step forward and get on base at a “well-above-average” level. Putting guys like Ryan (who is unlikely to break a .350 OBP) and 2009-Colby ahead of the greatest hitter of His generation, is such a waste. Just think how many more runs we’d score if we could even have a man on base an extra 5% of the time when Pujols comes up to bat. Given our #2 spot only put up something like a .330 OBP last year, that should not only be attainable, but be a massive priority.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 14, 2010 7:27 AM EST reply actions  

An OBP guy in the 2 hole (Lopez) makes so much sense.

It just puts everyone in the lineup in a natural spot. Colby can hit sixth, where his speed and extra base pop are valuable in front of Molina’s singles from the 7 hole. And Ryan can hit 8 or 9, because his bat doesn’t belong at the top of the lineup against anyone but lefties.

Most importantly, it means Albert and Holliday hit with runners on more often.

As for Valverde, why not Dotel? He doesn’t cost a draft pick, and he’s still striking out well over a batter per inning while posting decent FIPs in the AL.

by pitchingandefense on Jan 14, 2010 9:00 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't mind Dotel

but he’s basically the same pitcher as Calero (high K, slightly ropey control, much better vs righties than lefties), and I suspect Calero comes in a little bit cheaper. But yeah, Dotel would be fine, and his “closer experience” is maybe worth, I dunno, something (mainly the fact that I think TLR would have a shorter leash for Franklin as closer if he had Dotel as a set-up guy, whilst I’m not sure the same would be true with Kiko – that is at least a small advantage).

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 14, 2010 9:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Good point on Motte

If we can generously assume he had a fluky HR/FB last year, it should regress and keep fewer balls from leaving the yard and, as a result, have fewer hearts sinking every time someone hits a fly ball off him. Add to that the hope that his K/9 settles somewhere between his 2008 number (13.09 K/9 – and i understand this was an extraordinarily small sample size) and his 2009 number (8.58 K/9), then his improvement would be a great addition to the bullpen, and one that I’d be comfortable with in spelling Franklin, if not fully taking over at some point.

I guess that’s a lot of assuming and hoping though.

by tireinhardt6 on Jan 14, 2010 7:56 AM EST reply actions  

The problem with Motte

and I’m surprised no-one’s really noted or mentioned this, is that he’s a ROOGY. Not that there’s anything wrong with that, but he’s best in the Russ Springer role, at least until he figures out a pitch that can get major league lefties out.

He has an OPS-against of .885 against lefties so far in his MLB career (114 PAs). Now, maybe that’s partly luck-driven (his BABIP is quite high), but when you’re basically turning every left-handed hitter you face into Adam Dunn, that’s pretty awful.

A straight, 4-seam fastball, even a very quick one, from a right handed pitcher, over the plate, is going to be quite an easy pitch for major league left-handers to make contact with, and (when they do) hit quite hard. I think Motte’s one good pitch is good enough to get righties behind in the count, and try to put them away with his dodgy breaking-ball-thing and/or more heaters, but I just don’t think it’s an effective strategy, at all, against good lefties, and I imagine most MLB managers will be well aware of that and just throw all their best lefty pinch-hitters into the fray if/when Motte comes out to pitch the 9th inning with a small lead.

Personally, I’d really like Motte to learn a split-finger pitch. I think with his pace and delivery it’s a pitch that’d work well for him, without having to learn to do anything too complex with his fingers or grip (correct me if I’m wrong, pitching gurus – although I realise he probably needs long fingers to grip the ball well and be good at the SF, so it might be a moot point). I’m just not sure there’s someone in the org who can teach/coach that pitch, as I can’t think of a single other cardinal who’s used it, majors or minors, for years. That is perhaps one of the potential advantages of signing Smoltz – could he take Motte under his wing and teach him the splitter?

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 14, 2010 9:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Motte's Stats vs. Lefties

I just looked at his vs. LH numbers, and while they are all not so good, his BABIP and HR/9 are absolutely ridiculous (in a bad way). Sure there might be some bad luck in those numbers, but point well taken. Any way to see something like what his LD% is against lefties, i.e. see how bad he is getting mashed by them and how much we can say those numbers are bad luck? Fangraphs, as far as i can see, doesn’t have that.

Also, i agree that a splitter would help a great deal; a (good) change-up wouldn’t be a bad pitch for him to add either.

by tireinhardt6 on Jan 14, 2010 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

LD numbers are meaningless, IMHO

I really don’t think the scorers differentiate well between line-drives and hard hit GB, and I think basically all hard-hit ropes deep into the OF are counted as FB. There’s also differences between scorers in different stadiums (i.e. the Busch scorer may have a much lower threshold for calling something a LD than the guy who does it in Fenway, or something). Especially in just 100-odd PAs, I can’t really see that it’d be very descriptive at all.

He has a BABIP of .375 vs lefties, which is crazily high, but even if you knock down a lot of the GB that might be luckily turning into singles, he’s still probably giving up an OPS in the high .700s, which ain’t very good. I’m not actually sure where you find HR/FB stats broken up by split.

His BB/K ratio is much worse against lefties (although it’s still perfectly adequate at 2.27, but if he’s giving up HR at a higher than normal rate, which I expect he will, judging by his figures so far, and judging by the fact that his stock pitch is a right-handed 4-seam fastball that often seems to pound the zone, his FIP is never going to be very good at that rate).

I’m by no means saying any of this is conclusive, but just that the limited statistical evidence, plus the evidence of watching the guy pitch against lefties, plus the fact that he’s a righty with no off-speed pitch who pounds the zone with 4-seamers, suggest to me that Jason Motte is not a good pitcher at all against left-handed hitters.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 14, 2010 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

second pitch, Mottie. SECOND. PITCH.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

If Motte could pick up a second pitch,

it would be like trading for a top tier back of the rotation guy, without giving anything up.

* is an Asshat

by RiverRat on Jan 14, 2010 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

you know...

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

You know, RR

It really would be.

"I believe he’s been reincarnated, that he played before, in the twenties and thirties, and he’s back to prove something." - Former teammate Mark McGwire about Albert Pujols

by cardzfan24 on Jan 14, 2010 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Is that necessarily true?

IIRC and maybe I dont, wasnt Motte’s fastball down considerably in 09 versus 08? I dont know the website to check his fastball average (i know there is one out there that posters reference) but I would be interested to see the detail. If he is throwing low 90s (91-94) rather than upper 90s (96-99) then obviously he will not be as effective.

Mo, you can trade anything of mine.

by njnick on Jan 14, 2010 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

I think his fastball speed was inconsistent.

There were times when he was above 95 and times when 91 was his top speed in an outing.

Regardless, I think a decent second offering would make him better. I do believe he has that mid 90’s gas still in the tank.

"I believe he’s been reincarnated, that he played before, in the twenties and thirties, and he’s back to prove something." - Former teammate Mark McGwire about Albert Pujols

by cardzfan24 on Jan 14, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

don't forget the goggles / no-goggles split...

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Why?

Im not being dismissive but why do you think Motte still has it in the tank? Im curious, i hope youre right but it wouldnt surprise me that he never regains that blazing fastball (96-100) and consistently sits at 92ish.

Mo, you can trade anything of mine.

by njnick on Jan 14, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

he was told to keep that blazing fastball unhittable

hence the reduction in speed.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Fangraphs has his avg. fastball

at 95.9 mph for 2009. Incidentally, it also says that he threw a couple splitters last year and what looks something like two change ups.

by tireinhardt6 on Jan 14, 2010 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Fangraphs...good to know

So he was right there with his fastball. nevermind.

Mo, you can trade anything of mine.

by njnick on Jan 14, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Awesome.

Yeah he still has the 95+ in the back pocket

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by cardzfan24 on Jan 14, 2010 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

you gotta wonder

if Motte was taking something off the FB in order to be more accurate with it at times. Then towards the end of the year simply cut it loose a bit more. No idea if the stats would back that up though.

by tireinhardt6 on Jan 14, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

You know

This is anecdotal, but it appear that way when I saw Motte pitch in our interleague series vs Detroit.

He gave up a HR on a pitch that registered 91 on the stadium gun to Polanco. Certainly looked like he was steering the fastball a bit in that entire inning.

"I believe he’s been reincarnated, that he played before, in the twenties and thirties, and he’s back to prove something." - Former teammate Mark McGwire about Albert Pujols

by cardzfan24 on Jan 14, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

and towards the end of the year his velocity was up again (which, oddly, coincided with a bit more effectiveness from what i recall). He had a couple of outings in the middle of the year when it was really down and he got torched. I think he still hits 96-97 comfortably and can reach back for 98-99.

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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 14, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

he also lost the goggles.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

I seem to recall

we were thinking he was fooling around with a splitter after Kaiser Smoltze was signed. There were a couple late season appearances where he sparingly used a breaking ball that looked suspiciously splitter-like, with the late sharp drop. Not all of them had the nice drop, and it didn’t look like he commanded it that well.

by nota bene on Jan 14, 2010 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

whoops

nexdef’d, didn’t read far enough down.

by nota bene on Jan 14, 2010 11:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I would bet his average fastball this year was above 92

"I believe he’s been reincarnated, that he played before, in the twenties and thirties, and he’s back to prove something." - Former teammate Mark McGwire about Albert Pujols

by cardzfan24 on Jan 14, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

here's his regular season last appearance on VEB

It’s that thread and a couple of threads down to joker’s assessment.

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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Motte and the splitter

I’ve been advocating that since he came up to the big leagues — he definitely needs that pitch. The more I talk to pitching aficionados though, the more I find out why more big leaguers don’t throw it:

  • You need extremely long fingers to grip the ball properly for this pitch
  • You need great finger dexterity and flexibility to fit the ball in properly between the fingers without straining the forearm and elbow. Legend has it that Ron Darling could fit a SOFTBALL in between his index and middle fingers.

While it doesn’t require any great change in arm or wrist action and the release point is exactly the same, it’s a very difficult pitch to develop because of these issues. It’s possible that some pitchers simply can’t throw it effectively because they lack the proper size of hands or finger dexterity to do so.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 14, 2010 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I was aware of the finger thing, mentioned above - that's perhaps a reason why he's not considered it

although I do think it’s probably an under-used pitch in the majors – few pitchers use it, so there’s few guys who coach it or can give advice, so few pitchers take it up. I wonder if it’s not a vicious circle to some extent. It may be moot and he may not have the hands to do it, but it’d still be nice to have a guy (Smoltz) in the org who may be able to show him how to grip it and give some advice about controlling it etc. I also think, as you said, that it might be quite an easy pitch for him to learn IF he’s able to do it because it requires very few other adjustments.

I agree with whoever said that a changeup would be a good pitch for him, too. I’m not sure why coaches seem to be transfixed with trying to get hard-throwing guys to develop sliders. I don’t think Motte is too comfortable with the breaking stuff so it wouldn’t be a bad idea to try another route. That said, I guess it’s difficult at the major league level. I’d maybe take the path of least resistance (if the splitter isn’t possible), and let him pitch against 90% RHBs with his 4-seamer/slidey-thing arsenal. At least the slider looked to be getting a LITTLE bit better towards the end of the year.

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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 14, 2010 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

I also think, anecdotally

that the splitter is an injury-inducing pitch.

Changeups are very easy to teach and throw, IMHO, and for someone who throws his fastball as hard as Motte, the changeup doesn’t have to be quite as good, either in the similarity to the fastball delivery or the movement, to throw off a hitter’s timing.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 14, 2010 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

if only the organisation didn't have an allergy to off-speed pitches!

other than the occasional ace who uses it as a 3rd or 4th pitch (Carp), I can’t think of anyone in the org who uses a changeup other than as an occasion “different look” to lefties, with the exception of Blake Hawksworth.

Actually, on second thoughts, I think Garcia has an average-ish change. That’s about it, though…

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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 14, 2010 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Wainer's got to have better pitch selection, imo

he can’t keep looking over at Yadi and hoping 06 will replay itself after the first 90 pitches. he’s obviously getting there, but he still needs some polish.

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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

pitchers still have the final say

obviously. I forget now, which pitch it was of his that was really good — and he just wouldn’t throw it. I think Yadi also calls games to a pitcher’s comfort level more and more, lately … hence the bizarre strategies with Franklin.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Isn't PJ a + changeup pitcher?

He just can’t control all of the movement.

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by RiverRat on Jan 14, 2010 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

ah yes

forgot little red riding peej. Very good change with supposed screwball-type movement. Can’t see him doing much with that crappy fastball and sub-par control, though. He’s a guy I’ve thought they should move to the pen for a while – if he can gain 2-3mph on the heater and use his change as the main out pitch, I wonder if he couldn’t be effective in the bigs.

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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 14, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

poor little red riding peej

always thrown into the fire. I gotta look up the minor league playoffs, I think they did it to him there too.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

oh, sorry. metaphor fail.

thrown to the wolves

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Motte and Split Finger

Wasnt this discuss last year and it was discovered that Motte’s fingers were not long enough to throw a splitter?

Mo, you can trade anything of mine.

by njnick on Jan 14, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

I remember a lot of us

hoping that Smotzl would teach him one. Don’t remember anything about tiny hands.

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by RiverRat on Jan 14, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd like to interrupt this thread with a link to an awesome thread

And the preface that I found out later that Boog has, apparently, pitched before.

http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2009/11/5/1116945/what-the-cardinals-can-take-from#23941986

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

i've wondered about that before

i knew he has pitched but i don’t know if TLR or Dunc ever tried him out to see if he’s got good stuff. if he does, he’d be the perfect closer, since, it seems, he’s immune to stress and anxiety

by d-dee on Jan 14, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

you're kidding, yeah?

Boog’s a bundle of anxiety. Don’t get fooled by his light demeanor, you can tell when he’s tired or frustrated or angry with himself.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

the boy's a competitior

with the right adhd coaching, he’ll be able to focus on the right things

by d-dee on Jan 14, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

no, I got to say I have a different read on him.

he’s not “immune” to stress and anxiety. he’s documented to be rather hard on himself. I mean if you’ve ever seen it live, he explodes – at himself. that’s not the temperament of a pitcher, even for three batters.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

maybe scaring the crap out of them

could also be a successful strategy :)
i understand he’s got a legitimate problem but there’s ways to get it under control. but you’re probably right.
at least he’s no khalil greene

by d-dee on Jan 14, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

just to be clear, I wasn't talking about his twitches

Brendan is an entirely different flavor of crazy than Motte.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I miss the Mound Stalking of 08

he’s gotten progressively less crazy. it’s sad.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

The problem with the split,

is that it has been more or less replaced with various kinds of changeups- changeups that move at similar speeds and with similar movement. Thus, even though it’s a bit under exposed as itself, batters are definitely seeing pitches with similar movement. Also, if you’ve tried to throw one, a splitter is very difficult to control because it can come loose as you accelerate your arm if your fingers aren’t long and strong enough- I’m not sure Motte would be able to just pick one up, and his short-armed throwing style might not accommodate it.

That said, the splitter (or a changeup) is an excellent pitch to cut down on platoon problems because it can move away from opposite-handed batters in a similar fashion to the way a slider moves away from (and makes fools out of) same-handed batters.

I think Motte would be well served to start throwing a cutter, myself, but then again I think the cutter is the best under-utilized pitch in the league. The grip is simple (just an offset fastball grip can produce a cutter), unlike the grip for a split, and it’s not hell on your elbow in the way a slider is.

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by hazel on Jan 14, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with everything said here.

The cutter thing is an excellent point, although Motte doesn’t throw a lot of two seam fastballs, and that’s the grip you would need to offset to throw a cutter, correct? Maybe he doesn’t know where his two seamer is going?

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 14, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

You can

…but you can also offset a four-seamer, I think. I had heard from some of the pitching guys I’ve met through the years that Mo’s was thrown with an offset 4-seam, and if you google his name and look at pictures of him throwing that would appear how the ball is gripped in many of them. I think the key is that the pitcher throw the “outer-third” of the ball.

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by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 14, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

so Carp will

take him to the staircase, put the ball in a big samsonite and luggage away?
yeah, that should teach him

by d-dee on Jan 14, 2010 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I remember

growing up outside NY and watching Mets games and seeing the pitchers literally shoving a softball between their index and middle fingers. I don’t remember who it was exactly, but that would give support to the Darling legend. From that team, David Cone threw a nasty splitter as well.

by tireinhardt6 on Jan 14, 2010 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I think a changeup

could do the same thing for Motte, if he couldn’t manage the split finger.

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by cardzfan24 on Jan 14, 2010 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

after reading the whole thread

i now realize i was extremely late to the party…

R.P.O.F.Y.M.

by BVHeck on Jan 14, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I keep thinking about an activated Mark McGwire pinch hitting in the playoffs

Busch would erupt.
Anyway, one of the things about 2010 I look forward to is simple improvement from places I think it’s reasonable to expect. If we are reasonably sure that Ludwick’s true talent is somewhere between his adequate 2009 and his awesome 2008, and Colby should improve, and our 3B production can’t be much worse (can it?) then our offense might pleasantly surprise just from some regression. Holliday and Albert are the studs. Schu has been pretty reliable in the majors so far, and I think Molina has really impressed with how far he’s come. If Boog learns to take some walks and hit some dingers we’re set!
To avoid jinxing the entire damn season, this comment will self-destruct in 5, 4, 3….

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jan 14, 2010 8:00 AM EST reply actions  

I was wondering this earlier today

is it not possible, now he’s admitted the roids, that if the Cards tried to activate him as an actual player on the roster, he would be suspended by MLB for a period of time (probably longer than Manny’s 60 games as he admitted to the crime, and admitted it was for performance-enhancing purposes)? I think that makes the whole PH thing a major can of worms. Personally, I’d be dead against it.

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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 14, 2010 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Mac as a pinch hitter in the playoffs

is about as likely as was Ankiel pitching in a tight spot in last year’s playoffs. Even without the roids admission.

Read: not at all.

by arch support on Jan 14, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

none

he wasnt suspended. Instead he got a WS ring

by nrichar2 on Jan 14, 2010 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

an interesting fan counterpoint

literally. Well, here I am with a rebuttal to a retort to the responses.

unless we’re still at the emotional-responses-preceding-catharsis portion of the program, in which case wait a few days before reading.

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"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

They can't suspend him

He has to fail a test for banned substances in order to suspend him. Similar to the fact that the FBI can’t prosecute him because the statute of limitations has run out, even though he’s admitted guilt.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 14, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Nope

Ex post facto suspension. It’s illegal in the United States for the government to make a law and then convict someone of that crime before it was the law. Of course, MLB is a private industry and so those rules don’t exactly apply, but if they tried to suspend Mac or any other pre-testing user they’d still probably be in a world of hurt with MLBPA or in a civil case.

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by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 14, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

CURSE YOU AMERICANS

and your “laws”!!!!!!

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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 15, 2010 8:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I had a dream last night that McGwire PH in Game 1 of the World Series at New Yankee Stadium,

and that he homered off of Joba.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 14, 2010 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

i never have dreams like that

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 14, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Busch would erupt

Until he struck out on 4 pitches.

defy, cards, defy. hey logic --- you suck.

by effin fisk on Jan 14, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

too soon!

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by mattyfrommo on Jan 14, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

it's never too soon for those

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 14, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Fun fact

We gave Ryan Franklin a f%%king extension after last year.

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on Jan 14, 2010 8:15 AM EST reply actions  

hey, wait a minute

thats not fun at all…if you cant trust a robot who in the hell can you trust?

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by nomar34 on Jan 14, 2010 9:13 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Whenever I hear

or read “Cardinals,” “Ryan Frankline,” “after a career year,” and “extension” in the same same sentence, it bodes ill.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 14, 2010 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

not just after

in the middle of! because obviously he was going to continue to pitch way over his head.

by DanUpBaby on Jan 14, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

and wasn't it when he was starting to throw like the 2008 Ryan Franklin when the extension was announced

“Hey, It looks like he is sliding back, let’s give him an extension!”

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by mattyfrommo on Jan 14, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

it was literally

right after the extension that he started flailing. i think it messed with his head

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

yup.

let’s not revise history … like Albert’s slump being caused by the Home Run Derby.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

that should be a +1

see why I like the numbers. numbers aren’t sarcastic.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

that makes more sense. Sometimes my memory is tottally inaccurate.

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by mattyfrommo on Jan 14, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah I think Mo is a pretty decent GM

But the Lohse and Franklin contracts are inexplicable. Lohse’s is far worse of course, but when you have a fairly limited payroll you simply cannot just toss 2 years and $6.5M around like a bunch of beanbags. And you especially cannot do that when the receiver of said contract is in the middle of the year of his lifetime at the age of 36.

Fun fact on Franklinstein: His HR/FB rate last year was 3.2%. THREE POINT TWO PERCENT! Wow. Unless his half-win fastball and half-win cutter are just motherlovin’ brick-balls (cuz they’re heavy and sink and stuff), that isn’t sustainable!
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by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 14, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

it's not all Mo

i’m sure the final say stays with the one who has de wallet

by d-dee on Jan 14, 2010 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

for f's sake!

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by mattyfrommo on Jan 14, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

wait, when did bill adopt F?

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by gdm426 on Jan 14, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure no-one since the 1930s

has sustained a 3.2HR/FB long-term.

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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 15, 2010 8:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't hate on me

Anyone think AnK and Big Mac could work together and improve the whoosh factor? If anyone could benefit from a “straight line to the ball” approach, it would be Dick. I know he stunk last year. I tore a rotator cuff throwing things after many of his ABs. But, he has so much potential, and his story is amazing. Plus, we need OF bench help and a left handed bat. Should be a cheap contract after that 2009 show.

SD

by Gibby45 on Jan 14, 2010 8:20 AM EST reply actions  

I think he and Boras are still aiming for a stating gig somewhere

I’m glad to see Ankiel go somewhere else (which I think is safe to assume) but I have to admit I’m probably going to follow what he does next year. I really want him to at least partially put it together.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jan 14, 2010 8:33 AM EST up reply actions  

He needs

to stay otherwise my Ankiel jersey is a waste just like my JD Drew jersey was when I bought it before we signed carlos baerga

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by DESTROYER on Jan 14, 2010 8:36 AM EST up reply actions  

mind you

I am only 23 so the Drew jersey with the number 8 is OOOOOOOOOLLLLDdd

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by DESTROYER on Jan 14, 2010 8:37 AM EST up reply actions  

you gotta get yourself a jersey

of a player who is going to be around for awhile… you know, like for the next seven years or so.

by tireinhardt6 on Jan 14, 2010 8:44 AM EST up reply actions  

not sold

on Holliday, and I will wait til Pujols gets an extension, maybe wainwright

Pujols takes out "I" in BIG and "A" in MAC, previously considered to be an unyielding, consonant threat

by DESTROYER on Jan 14, 2010 9:05 AM EST up reply actions  

I really wanted us to sign Holliday long-term when we traded for him last year for that reason

I want to splash out on a cards jersey and he’s always been one of my favourite non-cardinal players (although I was kinda against the trade and somewhat luke-warm on the length of the extension, although the non-analytical fan in me really likes both). Now, however, I’m not too sure.

I kinda think Albert’s too obvious, I really like Waino although I’ve always prefered Carp, but then Carp’s probably not here for much longer. I like Colby, but maybe not enough to get his jersey, and Yadi isn’t my favourite player (though I like him) so that probably wouldn’t be the choice. I’m more and more coming to the conclusion that it’s going to be Boog…

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 14, 2010 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

don't say thaaaat

i know Carp’s probably gone after 2011 but man does that suck
putting an expiration date on it is just horrible

by d-dee on Jan 14, 2010 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

If I'm buying a jersey

its going to be Wainwright’s. My favorite cardinal by far, just got to make sure to lock him up before/after this current contract is up.

by tireinhardt6 on Jan 14, 2010 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

I think we've got him until 2014

that’s plenty enough years for a pitcher, IMO.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 14, 2010 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

2013

but you’re right, that’s plenty of years. I suppose the locking him up thing is something that I wish I could do with him on my fantasy roster, which he has anchored for the past two years as a keeper (our league allows only three years of “keeper status” so this is it for me and Waino). I’d just hate to ever see him go to a team that isn’t mine, fantasy or real.

by tireinhardt6 on Jan 14, 2010 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

nope, you're right

the dual options are in 2012 and 2013. Still, four more years. That’s plenty of time. And how I do love that delicious, delicious team-friendly contract for our ace, keeping him through his peak years. Say it with me…

FOUR MORE YEARS! FOUR MORE YEARS!

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 14, 2010 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Extend thru 2020!

It’s never too soon!

Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word

by guayzimi on Jan 14, 2010 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

My rule on t-jerseys.

Only after an extension or contract of four or more years. So, I have an Edmonds, Pujols, Wainwright, and will soon have a Rasmus shirt.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 14, 2010 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

McGwire not totally Honest about things...
(This is also, incidentally, why I believe that McGwire honestly does not believe that steroids had a significant effect on counting stats beyond games played: the usual boilerplate about steroids not swinging the bat for you or improving your hand-eye coordination is accompanied, here, by an alternate theory to which he’s apparently held for the past fifteen years.)


Dan, I don’t really mind this thinking because it takes us away from the “Steroids will make you awesome, but you shouldn’t do them” line of crap that has been spilling out of idiots mouths for years. It is about the same as “Pot is terrific, don’t use it kids” line of crap that has been spilling out of partents from my parents generations for years.

That said what McGwire said is a total line of shit intended on helping his Hall of Fame bid. As an admitted user and athelete, steroids will make you incrementally better. They defintely can make you 10-20% better. While this won’t turn Boog into McGwire, it could turn someone like Ludwick into one of the best power hitters in the league.

That said. I could care less about McGwire’s steroid use. I never had to forgive him because I never blamed him or the rest of the players of that era for doing anything that was truly detrimental to the game. McGwire and Sosa brought the game back to great heights after the low of the stupid ’94 strike, so what if the game had to give back some of those gains.

by BigJawnMize on Jan 14, 2010 9:27 AM EST reply actions  

it's a shame we don't have HR/FB data for pre-steroidy Big Mac and post-steroidy Big Mac

I also thought the “it was only to keep me on the field, and I don’t think it improved my hitting, and it was only a liiiiittle bit of steroids” was a bit lame. Still, in all honesty, I don’t think I’m that bothered about the story itself – being relatively young in my Cardinals fandom, I was only kinda a casual observer during the HR chase, rather than a live-or-die fan, so i suppose it doesn’t have the same significance to me as a fan as it probably does to some of you whose fandom was kinda born in the late-90s.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 14, 2010 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Wouldn't we have HR/FB rates?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 14, 2010 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

And McGwire

was much more candid than all of the other “stars” who “came clean.” Even though I’m certain he was holding some things back, at least he admitted to doing them during 1998, which is what I think most people were the most interested in.

by saladdays on Jan 14, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree with you BJM.

If your box-within-a-box is in fact your comment and not a quote from someone else.

There was an exhausting thread two days ago about just how fishy Mac’s motivations were/weren’t.

But I’ve not been more excited about a Cardinals offense going into the season since 2005. How long ago that seems.

by arch support on Jan 14, 2010 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

not the goat on the boat?

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah...

…I can’t figure out what was with the box in the box thing.

by BigJawnMize on Jan 14, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

you got SBN'd

extra blockquote

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

So...

there only needs to be one block quote? If you want to quote something at the beginning of your comment, how do you get that to show in grey and the rest of the comment to appear as it normally would?

by BigJawnMize on Jan 14, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

You type in between the words blockquote

like so:
< blockquote >Quote< /blockquote >
I added spaces to demonstrate what it would look like.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 14, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Thats What...

…I thought. I actually did this but the second block quote didn’t have the “/” show up in it. As Yadi said: SBN’d

by BigJawnMize on Jan 14, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

I only brought it up...

…because Dan mentioned it again and I am starting to figure out why I have such a non-commital feelings about the whole thing.

by BigJawnMize on Jan 14, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

yah, we can't really throw stones.

Be glad no one knows the names of our players, or they’d realize a good chunk of the squad fits the “came back from a lot of injuries and performed brilliantly” profile, and jump all over that.

There’s a good chance I’m not recollecting fully, but I think only Brendan Ryan has (in the past) commented about steroid use directly. Not counting Albert, because the peanut gallery’s always going to dog him about it.

s’too bad. throwing stones is fun.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

the holidays are over!

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

alright, don't start that

other than his hammy from last season, all his injuries have been big time injuries

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 14, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

this topic has been discussed to death

but I just want to say, I think it’s fairly obvious his confession was NOT about the HOF, since he waited until after this year’s HOF vote to come out.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Jan 14, 2010 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Not ENTIRELY about the HoF vote.

One year for people to temper their feelings.

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Jan 14, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

it's one of those that's what they want you to think so we'll do the opposite of what you think so you'll think it anyway

shrewd.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Calcaterra has an interesting take on Tony's role in the McGwire mess..

Link here. The gist:

I actually agree with 90% of what La Russa says regarding McGwire in this interview. And I completely understand both the intellectual and emotional reasons for why he defends Mark McGwire. But for him to continue to claim that he had no idea what was happening in his clubhouse without anyone accusing him of incompetence, willful ignorance or tacit complicity is utterly baffling to me.

Free Melodi Dushane

by all4tookie on Jan 14, 2010 10:18 AM EST reply actions  

well, we already know Tony's all three

I’m not sure why I should be more outraged, because I’ve spent about 13 years being outraged by Tony’s outrageous statements.

Now I’m mostly outraged by media types telling me to be outraged.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I hadn't really thought about the outrage issue the way that Calcaterra presented it.

His theory that a lot of the “moral outrage” about steroids is phony in order to pick on easy targets and play the sanctimonious card is pretty interesting. It is definitely one possible explanation for why so much of the heat has been avoided by the overseers.

Free Melodi Dushane

by all4tookie on Jan 14, 2010 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Tony's going to be in the hot seat longer than McGwire

He’s still working on his Hall of Fame career. Personally I’m of the opinion that Tony will get his over a longer period of time, so why be outraged today? We got lots of time.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree with this wholeheartedly.

How everyone but the players who used PEDs gets by without criticism for incompetence, willful ignorance or tacit complicity is utterly baffling to me.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 14, 2010 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

let's light one under Bud, for one.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

The List:
  • Every owner
  • Every trainer
  • Every coach
  • Every manager
  • Every player (even non-users)
  • MLB
  • Commissioner
  • MLBPA
  • Sportswriters

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 14, 2010 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

pretty much

but you left out the vendors and the fans.

by Evilfrog on Jan 14, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

BUD LIGHT BUD LIGHT

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Everyone...

…in the game made this deal with the devil. Really it all worked out pretty well. The game made it back from the ’94 strike and by the time that shit started to hit the fan a new generation of players emerged. The second generation of players even use steroids (A-Rod); admit it; and have now this admission has no impact on the game.

by BigJawnMize on Jan 14, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

nice touch with the under armor.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

It's so fortunate we have them

First they reveal the truth to us and then they tell us what we should think about the truth.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jan 14, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

why isn't this green?\

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 14, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Wait, did you just say

that TLR (and other managers, GMs, Selig, etc.) are “getting by WITHOUT criticism”? Seems to me it’s been hard to find an anti-steroid screed written by anybody that does not subject all of the above to withering scorn.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Jan 14, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

To me, it's disproportionately given to the player, whether it is McGwire, Giambi, A-Rod, or [future exposed player].

A sentence or two, sometimes even a whole paragraph, may target all major parties as being complicit or incompetent or whatever, but paragraphs and entire columns are written to trash the confessing players. To me, it should be the opposite. There should be whole columns bemoaning the (in)action of the major parties with a setence for those individuals who have confessed to using. The FBI informed Major League Baseball of McGwire’s steroid usage in 1993, five years before he shattered the single-season HR record. Yes, McGwire used, but MLB knew he used and did nothing. We know this, but it seems to go unmentioned in many a column trashing McGwire.

There is a very good timeline put together by Another Cubs Blog on PEDs.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 14, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

What the hell is the FBI telling MLB about a certain player using steroids...

arrest him if its against the law, but don’t rat him out to his employer of sorts.

by ADMDrayson on Jan 14, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

The same FBI...

That though Richard Jewel was the Olympic Bomber?

And in retrospect, would everyone now be happy if McGwire was treated like say, Ryan Franklin, suspended for a few games and then allowed to continue to play? It seems people want nothing short of a complete Pete Rose like ban, even though the penalties for PEDs in baseball are quite minimal (though it’s not like other sports are real strict either, the famous Shawne Merriman example)

by DiscoJer on Jan 14, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I would like to say that TLR didn't say that.

They missed on censoring it on the first pass. He said he didn’t give a shit……not he didn’t give a fuck. That miscue sensationalizes the whole article, IMO.

* is an Asshat

by RiverRat on Jan 14, 2010 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

also, it was classic.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I made a comment...

and he changed the title.

Craig Calcaterra is not an Asshat, which is kind of nice to see in sports journalism these days.

* is an Asshat

by RiverRat on Jan 14, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

It's because he doesn't have a sports journalist background, I suspect.

He is a fan who started a blog which led him to NBC. He has not lost touch with critical thinking-fueled analysis.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 14, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Is it just me, or does anyone else think that all this might be a good thing?

I actually think this puts Tony in a different mode for this season. I think it is possible that this makes this team even more man-stewey, and maybe, just maybe, Tony goes into less Crazy Tony mode and more into Let’s Kick Some Serious Ass Tony mode. It might just be me, but I see a real chance that this team puts its foot on the throat of the NL Central this season.

Or it’s possible that everything just blows up, but I am a optimist.

Either way, HURRY UP AND BOLSTER THE BULLPEN, MO!

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 14, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

careful

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

What his Super Saiyan hair look like?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 14, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Needs Moar photoshop

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jan 14, 2010 7:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Ohhhhhkayyyyy

Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.

BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS

by vexedtechie on Jan 14, 2010 7:40 PM EST up reply actions  

um, wow

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 14, 2010 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

It would be a Herculean feat not to rec this

And I’m no Hercules.

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 14, 2010 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

You sir, are the man

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jan 14, 2010 8:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I know I am off topic here but...

Since we a need for a lefty off the bench does anyone think we should give Rick Ankiel a one year deal. I am thinking that Craig makes the team as the 4th outfielder. Now that Ryan Church is off the market, and the Pirates no longer seam to be interested. I was thinking a minor league deal with an ST invite. I would like to see him make the team and learn more about hitting.

I have been around here for a while, but now I just pop in from time to time. The success of the site has made it harder to participate. Sorta like Yogy’s " Nobody goes there any more because it is too crowded" line.

by nybirdfan on Jan 14, 2010 10:26 AM EST reply actions  

If we could get Ank on a ST invite and be assured that TLR wouldn't overplay him, then

I’d be ok with seeing what he can do…but there’s no way that’s gonna happen.

by ADMDrayson on Jan 14, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Why would you be OK if that were the case?

What has Rick done to make you think he can help us win?

I just don’t get the Rick Ankiel love.

by sdrone on Jan 14, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

If you truly believe he's finished

That’s your opinion, however, it is conceivably possible (Just for reference, AI think he’s godawful) that his shoulder injury lingered throughout the season and he played through it ala Chris Duncan.

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jan 14, 2010 7:40 PM EST up reply actions  

As Monk says...

…we really want the Cubs to overpay him in money and years. I think the greastest role he can play for the Cardinals is the "overpayed, underperforming, oft-injured " contract on the Cubs bench.

by BigJawnMize on Jan 14, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

no, no Aaron Miles showed him the way

but seriously, that would break the guy. I wouldn’t wish it on anyone.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Your right...

…We really need to get Tony out there talking up Ankiel’s grittiness and how valuable he is, that would perk a few ears up.

The other option is to have Mo leak it to the press that Ankiel is now the teams tp priority and had already turned down a 3Y/10M offer. I bet the I bet MacPhail would instantly offer 3Y/15M for his services and consider it a bargin.

by BigJawnMize on Jan 14, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

in all seriousness, though

I don’t think he’s wanting a MiL deal with a ST invite. I’m pretty sure he can get at least a 1 year, $2m deal somewhere, and I think that’d probably be about a fair price for his services. He has a lot of issues, but a small bounceback seems likely, and someone who can instill a bit more patience in the guy and get him taking a few more first pitches and pitches in hitters’ counts could turn him into a .310 OBP, .480 SLG -type, I think, which would be borderline useful in an outfielder with a competent glove.

I think I’m slightly higher on Ankiel than most, but he’s exactly the sort of guy that we look at in other teams (or on the FA market) and say “decent bounceback/buy-low candidate” (not that I think he has a cat-in-hell’s chance of a bounceback to a 2007/2008 level, but he could be useful as a LH 4th outfielder against RHP or a platoon piece); it’s just the pain of watching the guy struggle to get the ball out of the infield for a whole year that’s made that fact difficult to accept.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 14, 2010 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

the Pirates turned him down because he wanted to start

That’s what I heard last.

The Pirates.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

now my sarcasm has turned into curiosity

damn me. Has anyone ever been let go by a bottom-feeder team and found success? Let’s say… Royals, Pirates, Nats. Mets are tempting, but they’re too blind squirrel/nut for these purposes.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Floppy was cut by the Nats

we signed him and he OPSed .900+, and then he went and had a 4.5 WAR season with the D’Backs/Brewers last year.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 14, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

there it is

I knew I was forgetting someone. Parted on bad terms, it seems, to the point where he’s not an option for them this year.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah, they couldn't stand it

(nice insect puns, btw)

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

(imageshack fail)

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

he also TOTALLY sucked in washington

although I think much of that is because he didn’t give a shit.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 14, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Well Ludwick was with the Indians.

I am blanking on when but I’m guessing when he was with them weren’t quite as awful as they are now. I know I could look it up but I am lazy right now. And I have work to do.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 14, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

all's I got is they granted him free agency

Luddy needs more props than he gets.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah but I'm pretty sure they didn't want him.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 14, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

just no respect

…wick.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

i think he had a lot of injury issues

maybe a possible future Joe Mather comp – funky, long-ish powerful swing with a lot of talent, and potentially career-threatening injury just as he’s looking to break through into MLB.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 14, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

He did.

But he was still rejected by the Indians. Who may have been okay at that point actually.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 14, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah it was 2005.

They were pretty good in 2005 so it really doesn’t apply.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 14, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

maybe he didn't like curry?

(/crap pun-wick).

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 14, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Wow.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 14, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

He's got to

learn to pick up the spin on the slider and lay off it when he is behind in the count. He goes after that pitch down and way too often.

by nybirdfan on Jan 14, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah I agree (about the slider thing).

He seems to chase low pitches in general quite a lot.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 14, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe

When he is in the hole he should just expect it. I know I sitting in my arm chair watching. LOL, but it seams to be his weakness.

by nybirdfan on Jan 14, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I was a little confused.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 14, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Brandon Moss, yo

Don’t disrespect the Moss.

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 14, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

oh yeah

wrong brandon, hehe. I imagine brandon league’s gonna get that a lot too, especially as he was involved in a trade with him…

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 15, 2010 8:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

The Pirates were the only team that were rumored to have any interest in him, and they were not going to start him. Since I have not heard anything else about Rick I thought that a minor league deal will be all he could get. 2mil seams like a lot to me. I hope he gets it, but I doubt it

by nybirdfan on Jan 14, 2010 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

you may be right

better players (Hinske) have settled for less this year.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 14, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

he’s exactly the sort of guy that we look at in other teams (or on the FA market) and say "decent bounceback/buy-low candidate"

Familiarity breeds contempt.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Jan 14, 2010 6:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he needs regular at-bats to be effective

and he can’t get those at-bats with the Cardinals as we have three above average outfielders. He might be a decent half of a platoon as well, but we don’t have one of those either, as Ludwick doesn’t have a crappy split against RHP.

I don’t think that he’s a viable option for the Cardinals as he’s not a good pinch hitter, as he proved last year.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 14, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

now that we've screwed up on getting Hinske or Church

(ideally Hinske), I suppose a league minimum deal for Ank wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world, although I still think he’s better off elsewhere (also, I’d rather see Craig get the ABs, or Gabe Gross).

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 14, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't forget Omar Minaya and the mystery team

Drop hints that the Mets are interested as well as the mysterious Baltimore Orioles.

by madridbend on Jan 14, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't rec this emphatically enough

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 14, 2010 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

What about Brandon Jones?

He was supposed to be the LF of the future in the Braves org and was recently DFA’d to make room for Hinske. He is 26, LH, and has a decent AAA line.

by Jumsy on Jan 14, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I am not so sure he is any good

I was looking over his splits. He is an average to slightly above average defensive LFer. Can’t play any other positions. He also hasn’t had a good hitting season since 2007. I just don’t know if he is any better than Jon Jay.

by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 14, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

looks like a good signing to me

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 6:53 PM EST up reply actions  

The Mets

 need a CF now! OH look at that Rick is a Boros client.

by nybirdfan on Jan 14, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

But they love Beltra...

Oh…well shit

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jan 14, 2010 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I keep seeing hints

that the Cards look at Boggs as very valuable in the bullpen, perhaps as future closer material. I remember one game last September (??) when he came in and was absolutely lights out. Of course, he probably won’t become the closer this year, but with more experience and better control (which he might develop pitching out of the bullpen), who knows down the road.

by CRay on Jan 14, 2010 11:15 AM EST reply actions  

yeah

If I had to bet on any cardinal being an effective closer in 3 years, well, it’d probably be Eduardo Sanchez, but Boggs would probably be the 2nd choice…

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 14, 2010 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

I see that in Boggs...

and I also see that in Ottavino strangely enough.

by Jumsy on Jan 14, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

And...

…I saw that in Chris Perez as well. I am not very good at this though.

by BigJawnMize on Jan 14, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey the dude has a big arm...

…and a nasty, but wildly inconsistent slider. Franklin got by much of last year with voodoo and shadow puppets.

VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009

by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 14, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

footnote

he’s Carp’s special coaching project, last I saw.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

what happens if he spent most of the offseason working with Carp

and no one but Carp is allowed around him during ST.

I can’t imagine how great this team could be this year if Boggs picks up even 10% of Chris Carpenters badasseyness.

Damn you Y2S for giving me such hope in Boggs for this season!

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 14, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

well that was midseason

so Boggs did improve, but it wasn’t by much.

still: behold! http://www.flickr.com/photos/markhalski/3543346637/

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Can't tell if Carp is coaching

Or expressing his disdain for an inferior humanoid creature.

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 14, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Looks to me like he's thinking

“Is this guy fucking serious?”

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 14, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

He sort of looks like he's pointing to the right (his left)

“Hey, crappy rookie pitcher, your shit is too weak for my rotation. The bullpen is that way. Git.”

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 14, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions   3 recs

God I hope Carp gives the rooks Indian names like Tony did to Perez that one time

“Hi, who are you?”
“I’m Mitch Boggs.”
“No you’re not, you’re Crappy Rookie Pitcher.”
(looks down, sighs) “Okay.”

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 14, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I am almost sure Goold covered this

but for sure FSM commented on it, because that’s all I can currently find from the SBN search.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

"How dare you...

…call yourself a pitcher, Mitch? You are NOT me, so therefore you cannot be considered a pitcher. You merely play baseball. Now, go away before you ‘fall down and smack your face on luggage.’ "

ten minutes later, Carp to A.D.A.M.

Haha! Messing with rooks. So fun!!!

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by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 14, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

You also notice in that pic that Boggs is NOT making eye contact with Carp

I’d be afraid to make eye contact with Carp too, Mitch

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 14, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

momup did

she made it out

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

i read that without the "it" originally

did a bit of a double-take.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 15, 2010 8:21 AM EST up reply actions  

well she *is* badass

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 15, 2010 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

i also can't imagine

how bruised boggs will be come april

R.P.O.F.Y.M.

by BVHeck on Jan 14, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I, too, would like as many Franklins as possible when I go camping.

Oh, wait, was I supposed to leave that in 2009? Sorry.

"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols

by splhcb67 on Jan 14, 2010 11:47 AM EST reply actions  

I think that one goes back to 2007...

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 14, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I think that's become a fairly routine cardinals-specific meme

it’s definitely fair game. I occasionally even use in in non-VEB scenarios, to much confusion…

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 14, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Excellent. I'm safe.

(Oh, and just for the record, I was really just going for the funny with this, and not trying to be an ass to azruavatar. Just so’s you know. I can’t stand the thought that someone out there might not like me. Okay, shutting up. Back to baseball.)

"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols

by splhcb67 on Jan 14, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

banned

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on Jan 14, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

But...but...I just said...please don't...would you like some pie?

Hey, wait a minute…

"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols

by splhcb67 on Jan 14, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

kidding - obviously

but for you dumb people that didn’t realize it don’t e-mail me to lighten up. Seriously, don’t.

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on Jan 14, 2010 12:49 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Oh, don't worry, I got your drift.

Now prepare for the lesbian robot porn to inundate your inbox.

(Also kidding. Obviously. Man, with all our technology, you’d think we’d have figured out some good way to make sarcasm translate across the interwebs by now.)

"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols

by splhcb67 on Jan 14, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Can I email you asking you to continue your gloomy, tyrannical robot overlord-ship?

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 14, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

whoops

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 14, 2010 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it should enter common parlance

unless of course the Cardinals are an obscure baseball team in America

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Current Bullpen as is

RHP
Franklin
Motte
McClellan

LHP:
Denny
Miller

Those guys all seem like locks to me. Than it comes down to Hawksworth, Boggs, and Kinney. I am not sure Kinney is ever going to get it together again. Hawksworth is no where as good as his ERA made him look. He posted horrible K/9 numbers of 4.50. He got lucky. Boggs walked too many guys but at least he struct out a lot of guys. To me Boggs was easily the best of the group. I just wonder if the organization still wants him to be a starter or not. I still think we need another RHP because I don’t think Hawksworth has proved he is good enough yet. Let alone if Tony wants to go with 13 pitchers.

by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 14, 2010 12:21 PM EST reply actions  

My feelings on Kinney

“Oh right, we still technically have Kinney.”

I, too, think we need another arm.

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 14, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

look in the zombie bin

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Boggs has late inning stuff if he can ever put it all together

I wish the team would commit to him in the bullpen because I think that is he is destined to be for the majority f his career.

You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all.
-- Earl Weaver

by Smokin Turkeys on Jan 14, 2010 12:27 PM EST reply actions  

and a reply fail to Flim

You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all.
-- Earl Weaver

by Smokin Turkeys on Jan 14, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Concur.

Boggs looked like a completely different pitcher when he went to the ‘pen, to me. He went from being barely above the Wellemeyer Line as a starter to being a solid reliever with flashes of excellence. I’d love to see him stay there this year.

"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols

by splhcb67 on Jan 14, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

conversely

if he DOES ever sort out his control and command, he’ll be a very useful starter, too, with his repertoire. Good FB (which actually plays in an MLB rotation), decent slider, kinda OK-ish off-speed stuff. And a decent starter IS more valuable than a good reliever.

I should say I’m with you on this and hope he starts the year in the pen, but I wouldn’t want to give up on him as a starter totally, yet.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 15, 2010 8:38 AM EST up reply actions  

OT, but I'm looking for some advice:

My awesome, wonderful, full-of-surprises husband just announced that we’re taking a trip to Colorado in July. We never had a honeymoon, so I’m excited. Anyway, he timed the trip so that we’ll be in CO when the Cards are visiting the Rockies.

My question is for those of you who have been to Coors Field: Where should we sit? Outside of the obvious on-the-field seats, where are the best seats?

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Jan 14, 2010 1:23 PM EST reply actions  

lboros would be a very good person to answer this question.

If I remember correctly, he lives in Colorado and would often go see the Cards when they came to Coors.

Sadly, I can’t answer your question because I don’t know.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 14, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

or someone could tweet Goold

someone with connections

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Would he know?

Those who get in with the press pass and its perks often are ignorant as to how the venue is for regular ol’ fans like us.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 14, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Denvan?

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 14, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

The STL needs you, lboros!

(Oh, and thanks again, vexedtechie. You rule.)

"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols

by splhcb67 on Jan 14, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Wooo! thx

Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.

BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS

by vexedtechie on Jan 14, 2010 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

It doesn't matter

You will be able to sit pretty much wherever you want for as cheap as you want. At least that was my experience at Coors a few years ago. I imagine not a whole lot has changed. One game, I bought tickets for $10 each and got to sit up real close on the lower level, but could have sat pretty much anywhere. The next day (a day game) got to sit in the second level that connected to an inside area with a bar with craft beers and all sorts of extras for only $20 per ticket. Bought tickets from someone outside the stadium both times right before game time. Caught a foul ball off the bat of Bill Hall because there was no one in the entire section i was sitting in.

by tireinhardt6 on Jan 14, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

It does matter.

You just told me about a seating area with “craft beers and all sorts of extras.” Sounds cool to me!

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Jan 14, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Club Level

That’s where the craft beers etc. were. Looks like they’re marked at $75 from the team for some games and $55 for others. Either way, you could probably get them outside the stadium for much cheaper.

by tireinhardt6 on Jan 14, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks!

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Jan 14, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Although,

with the Cards in town, I’ve heard the Cardinal fans really turnout because Denver used to be St. Louis Cardinals territory, so the Coors stands are half-red, half-black/purple. Sort of like Kansas City. When the Indians are in town, one can walk up and get great seats; but, when the Cards are in town, the stadium is packed.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 14, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Fair point

I did go to a Rockies vs. Brewers match up. Couldn’t have been more than 10,000 people there.

by tireinhardt6 on Jan 14, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

That's kind of what I was thinking.

We’ll probably buy ahead of time, and just pay a little more to make sure we get good seats.

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Jan 14, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Yet when the Indians are in KC there are still more Indians fans than Royals fans.

Except last year in May when Zack Grienke was good.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 14, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Lies!

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Jan 14, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

no fire pit for F, no brownies for gdm

the spants family is on a roll

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 14, 2010 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

are we not allowed to joke about that?

for real i’m sorry. i was just making a joke. it’s what i do. i’m a joke maker

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 14, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

More like a joke be-er

OH SNAP BIOOOOTCH

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 14, 2010 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought we had an agreement.

But hey, it’s cool. I’m over here, eating an amazing brownie.

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Jan 14, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm sorry, i won't bring it up ever again

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 14, 2010 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

It's a great stadium....

I haven’t had a bad seat yet. I liked First base side myself. Also, if your flying and cabbing, don’t stay out by the airport. It cost me 80 bucks round trip.

* is an Asshat

by RiverRat on Jan 14, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

We're actually driving down from Steamboat Springs.

We’ll probably stay somewhere by the stadium for one night.

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Jan 14, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

We stayed

at La Quinta Inn, just off Park Ave. It was the closest to Coors Field. Not great, but not expensive, and we walked to all of the games. There is a nice sports bar in the mall next door too.

by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Jan 14, 2010 9:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Lurker Alert!

and not the Cody/Clemson sense
I am a Denver cab driver I would recomend staying at either the Ritz-Carton or the La Quinta(depending on budget) I would also recomend eating at the Vesta Dipping Grill or the 9th Door. If sports bars or brewpubs are more your speed the Blake St Tavern or the Breckenridge Brewery are close and great. Definitely try to get tickets between section 119 and 130 for the view. The only thing you might run into is the Fireworks Games are always sellouts(but worth the premium).

by TomCat009 on Jan 14, 2010 9:17 PM EST up reply actions  

What is the name of

the brewery bar and restaurant almost across the street from the park? I think that it was the Breckenridge. Definitely a great place, we ended up going there every time pre-game, then after the game we went further down Blake to one of the sports bars.

by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Jan 14, 2010 9:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah that is the breck

you probably wen to either Jacksons Hole, or the sports column The Sports Column is an amazing sports bar

by TomCat009 on Jan 14, 2010 9:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

it was the Sports Column was where a youthful Cards fan from STL was impressed enough with our allegiance to offer a round. A busy bar!

by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Jan 14, 2010 9:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks!

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Jan 14, 2010 9:41 PM EST up reply actions  

so you agree I'm a lurker.

If you have to know , I’m a concerned citizen over the safety of cgirly.
I heard Mr. Freeze wants to eliminate her with his freeze gun.

I am the Batman

by CodyG on Jan 14, 2010 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

someone got

SPANTSED!!

"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5

"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jan 14, 2010 9:46 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

SPANTSED

someone needs to get this on urban dictionary right away.

I am the Batman

by CodyG on Jan 14, 2010 9:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Not you.

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Jan 14, 2010 9:54 PM EST up reply actions  

although merely the fact that you exists

suggests it might be god.

"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5

"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jan 14, 2010 10:26 PM EST up reply actions  

If it weren't for the toddler-esque usage of "exists"

it would have been ok.

"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5

"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jan 14, 2010 10:28 PM EST up reply actions  

What would the def be?

An extra feisty stabbing?

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 14, 2010 10:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha!

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 14, 2010 9:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Here come the ani-GIFs

[rolls eyes]

Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word

by guayzimi on Jan 14, 2010 9:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Did I miss something?

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 14, 2010 9:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah...

that time you tried to open a thread and it took 15 minutes…

spantsed…

Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word

by guayzimi on Jan 14, 2010 9:56 PM EST up reply actions  

That hasn't happened to me...

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 14, 2010 9:57 PM EST up reply actions  

me neither. cheers to us!

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 14, 2010 10:00 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Who are these people?

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 14, 2010 10:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I knew that was Jared Padelecki!

I love him.
And that other guy who played Aquaman in Smallville is also nice. I wish that show didn’t creep me out.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 14, 2010 10:03 PM EST up reply actions  

that show

was terrible. I can’t believe it had such a following.

by QuadCitiesCardsFan on Jan 14, 2010 10:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it might be still on.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 14, 2010 10:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Supernatural is one of the best shows on TV

and i’ll fight anyone who disagrees with me

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 14, 2010 10:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Superman was ruined by Superman Returns

In the comics, Superman can’t be near Kryptonite without feeling weak. Batman carries a small piece in his belt in the event that Superman goes ape shit, that small amount is enough to contain him. Except in the movie Superman Returns, where he lifts AN ENTIRE CONTINENT MADE OF KRYPTONITE AND THROWS IT INTO SPACE.

by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 14, 2010 10:14 PM EST up reply actions  

that moved blowed chunks

on so many different levels

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 14, 2010 10:17 PM EST up reply actions  

i don't blame you

i would have too but i saw it on dvd a while after it came out. glad i didn’t pay for it

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 14, 2010 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

how?

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 14, 2010 10:17 PM EST up reply actions  

.

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 10:14 PM EST up reply actions  

wat

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Jan 14, 2010 10:18 PM EST up reply actions  

i agree

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

if i could be one actor, i'd be jarred pad

that dude is cool

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 14, 2010 10:15 PM EST up reply actions  

que?

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 14, 2010 10:17 PM EST up reply actions  

fff, i meant jensen ackles

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 14, 2010 10:16 PM EST up reply actions  

that guy is werid looking

are you sure you’re not thinking about justin hartely?

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 14, 2010 10:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I am thinking of jared Padelecki.

Gilmore Girls. The guy Rory should have ended up with.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 14, 2010 10:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Unless you mean the other guy.

I don’t remember what Jensen played but I thought it was Aquaman.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 14, 2010 10:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Nope.

That was a different, equally hot blond guy.

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Jan 14, 2010 10:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah.

Aquaman was not that cute. I remember him now.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 14, 2010 10:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess I should have played Aquaman

/hangs head in shame, slowly walks away

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 14, 2010 10:32 PM EST up reply actions  

neither one have ever been on smallville

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 14, 2010 10:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Jensen was on Smallville.

I know this because I liked him and then it said he would be on a new show called Supernatural.
He was Jason Teague. It was a recurring role.
link

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 14, 2010 10:31 PM EST up reply actions  

i can't believe i forgot about that

i thought that was ian somerhalder. my dad would kick my butt for forgetting he was on there.

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 14, 2010 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm cool like that

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 14, 2010 11:30 PM EST up reply actions  

boom shaklaka

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 14, 2010 11:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll never learn

this is an addiction now.

I am the Batman

by CodyG on Jan 14, 2010 11:37 PM EST up reply actions  

onions!

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 15, 2010 12:19 AM EST up reply actions  

HE'S ON FIRE

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 15, 2010 12:24 AM EST up reply actions  

why?? can't I stop?

I’m mad now, and I know you’ll just trick me again.

I am the Batman

by CodyG on Jan 15, 2010 12:25 AM EST up reply actions  

from way down town!

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 15, 2010 12:38 AM EST up reply actions  

well it's dead now, i hope you're happy

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 15, 2010 12:48 AM EST up reply actions  

not really, RR killed my baby

and it’s never coming back.

i don’t know what i’m going to do now

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 15, 2010 1:03 AM EST up reply actions  

it's too late, it's gone

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 15, 2010 2:33 AM EST up reply actions  

your face sucks

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 15, 2010 12:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Supernatural

Fans of Jensen Ackles (the guy on the left in the Supernatural gif above) who haven’t seen the you-tube clip of him lip-synching to Eye of the Tiger need to hie themselves over there post-haste.

by peach concrete on Jan 14, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

since it was you,

I knew it wasn’t a typo. Nice word.

* is an Asshat

by RiverRat on Jan 15, 2010 12:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Thx. It's not as good as 'defenestrate', though.

I love that word and never get to use it. Not enough people being tossed out of windows in my world.

by peach concrete on Jan 15, 2010 12:08 AM EST up reply actions  

greatest thing ever?

or greatest thing EVAR?

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 15, 2010 12:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Coors Field View

The stadium has an absolutely awesome view. It has an open view, much like Busch III, in the outfield and has an incredible view of the mountains. People there just don’t go to the games.

by tireinhardt6 on Jan 14, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

That's sad.

If I lived in Colorado, I’d go to games all the time. I turn down (or pass along) Cards tickets that are day games during mid-summer because I get so overwhelmed by just sitting in the sun and heat.

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Jan 14, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

they need basement seating for us bloggers

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I just try to stick to night games

or day games at the beginning or end of the season.

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Jan 14, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Wait.

So we rabble of commenters are now “bloggers”?

Nay, we’re yet another step below. We are the losers whose basements are so dark, we’d rather comment on other people’s blogs that start our own.

by arch support on Jan 14, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

"blogs" = euphemism for which STD?

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 14, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Man.... I have to call a bunch of girls I slept with

Why?
I think Stephanie gave me the blogs.
Ouch that sucks. Why don’t you just put up Facebook status instead?
Great Idea!
I have been diagnosed with the blogs, Get yourself checked out!

by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 14, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I know it's been awhile since you've gotten any,

but don’t take it out on me.

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Jan 14, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

You know that huh?

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 14, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

you know what this thread needs?

shoes.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

ask and ye shall receive

these are probably the ugliest shoes i’ve ever seen.

"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR

by IHeartBoog on Jan 14, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Who shot the...um...very tall alligator?

"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols

by splhcb67 on Jan 14, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Oh wow.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 14, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

looks like you got pretty lucky

saturday night

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 14, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

HOW DID YOU FIND THIS

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 14, 2010 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

i will never reveal my sources

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 14, 2010 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

ask JD, that's his friend

it is Georgia, i just assume everyone has guns down there

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 14, 2010 7:21 PM EST up reply actions  

i never thought of that

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 14, 2010 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Pass them on!

By the way, an unique feature of Coors is that it is the mile high stadium. There are a row of seats in RF painted green or whatever colour as I recall that mark the mile level. Cool.

by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Jan 14, 2010 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Purple

that is where the Rockies SBnation Blog gets their name

by TomCat009 on Jan 14, 2010 10:45 PM EST up reply actions  

not prince, huh?

guess i can cancel that one off the ol’ blog membership page…

"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5

"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jan 14, 2010 10:47 PM EST up reply actions  

on that note

i will never get over the mental image of him going door to door as a jehovah’s witness

by TomCat009 on Jan 14, 2010 11:01 PM EST up reply actions  

the killers are mormons

ian curtis was catholic. it happens.

"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5

"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jan 14, 2010 11:17 PM EST up reply actions  

rockpile

is the bleacher seat section in left field. I think they are only sold at the gate, but can be had pretty friggin cheap. You can also get some deals around town – the local ‘kroger’ brand grocery store – oddly called king soopers – often has 10$ rockies tickets, which get you pretty good seats down the left or right field lines – maybe thirty rows up from the field. But, as someone else commented, there really is not a bad seat. They never sell out, so nosebleed seats are rarely even sold. I think you will find your cardinals red clothing to blend in nicely with the rest of the crowd – the fans are usually about 50% Cards fans for those games.

by cdb on Jan 14, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

and cheap

just make sure to get there early – they will sell those seats out for a cards game.

by cdb on Jan 14, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

$4-5 AND cheap?!

what a country!

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

rockpile is awesome

they got the idea from the old handegg stadium, The South Stands were the cheapest and craziest part of the old Mile High Stadium the opposing teams locker room was right underneath. It made for a nervous opponent to watch the ceiling bowing and flexing.

by TomCat009 on Jan 15, 2010 12:05 AM EST up reply actions  

I went to Coors once!

I can’t tell you where to sit, but I can tell you it’s a cool park.

I actually saw a Rockies-Cubs game there. Sosa hit three homers and they pinch-hit for him in his fourth AB.

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 14, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Nevermind, it was his 5th AB

Whatever, I was 14 at the time, I was mad. (Boxscore)

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 14, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

coors third base

I was at the game where ank demonstrated to world that his arm is in fact a canon. Two amazing throws from center catching runners at third. Third base is the way to go….

by cdb on Jan 14, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

it was particularly amazing

being that the crowd is about 50:50. Half of the crowd collapsed in disgusted disbeleif, while the other half broke into disbelieving applause and screams. It was quite a show.

by cdb on Jan 14, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

This fall

I made what I call my cross country baseball odyssey. After driving across Canada to Toronto, then down the US east coast, saw first a game in Cinci, then on to STL. For a lifelong Cards fan, it was nonetheless the first time to STL. Saw the Cubs series (by design of course) in Sept, then KC vs the Bosox, then parked in Denver for a week, to watch San Diego (yawn, but the Rox are fun to watch), while waiting for the weekend series against the Cards. SD game tickets were cheap. The Cards tickets were not as cheap, but not what I paid in STL for comparable seats via StubHub. Anyhow, sorry for too much information. We had infield box seats for all games, and I found that the concessions all had good craft beers. I went with Fat Tire. Those seats are selling for about $75 now, and the club level seats will go for pretty much the same. Some great restaurant/bars on Blake St. by the park for pre- and post-game festivities. When the Cards were there the stadium was full of Cards fans, and when the Rox fans were chanting Go Rox Go, we were counterpointing Go Cards Go, plus choruses of MVP when the Mang was batting! It was a great atmosphere, and I met a lot of Cards fans. Wearing Cards jerseys in the bars, my wife and I were given a round by young Cards fans impressed that we had traveled so far to follow the Cards. Thumbs up from Cards fans as we passed by as well. A great experience. I think that I will have to make it an annual pilgrimage!

by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Jan 14, 2010 9:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Cool story...

Was STL the Shangri-la you always dreamed it would be?

Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word

by guayzimi on Jan 14, 2010 9:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Well...

we stayed in a hotel nearby the park. It wasn’t quite Shangri-la right near the park, not enough bars there, and the area around the park seemed somewhat desolate to me. I guess every city has a different downtown. I am used to more activity in the area near the parks, like in Vancouver, Toronto, and what I saw in Denver. No complaints though. It was a great experience. We ended up going to BB King bars and other bars on Washington St (?) where we had a great time. Great being in the hotel with Cubs fans down from Illinois, and Cards fans from everywhere too. Like I said, an experience that needs to become an annual pilgrimage!

by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Jan 14, 2010 9:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Somebody should put in

a little area with shops, restaurant, bars, offices, apartments….the whole shebang….almost a village if you will. They could call it Ball Park Village.

* is an Asshat

by RiverRat on Jan 14, 2010 9:23 PM EST up reply actions   3 recs

sign me up

use as much of my taxes as you wish. just so long as it finally revitalizes downtown!

and the next project – monorail.

"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5

"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jan 14, 2010 9:24 PM EST up reply actions  

but mainstreet

is still all cracked and broken!!!

by TomCat009 on Jan 14, 2010 9:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Bird is the word.

Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.

BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS

by vexedtechie on Jan 15, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I was in tears the first time I saw that segment...

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 17, 2010 12:45 AM EST up reply actions  

taken from

my crappy cell phone camera 20 minutes ago

by TomCat009 on Jan 14, 2010 10:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Only 6 months to go...

That is a long time.

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Jan 14, 2010 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I assume the

Christmas lights will be gone by then

by TomCat009 on Jan 14, 2010 10:35 PM EST up reply actions  

but less than three

fortnights untill Batmans and Robins report fair maiden

by TomCat009 on Jan 14, 2010 10:37 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I don't know exactly what this means,

but I like that you mixed Batman and Robin with Robin Hood-speak.

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Jan 14, 2010 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Denver gets

maybe 4-5 snowstorms a winter so most of the winter there is only snow in the shadowed areas

by TomCat009 on Jan 14, 2010 10:47 PM EST up reply actions  

it was 60

and sunny the last few days

by TomCat009 on Jan 14, 2010 10:46 PM EST up reply actions  

When

I was in Denver this summer, I met up with an old slow pitch buddy from Manila, Philippines (American guy who taught my son at the International School of Manila). I can’t remember exactly what he said, but it was something like if you don’t like the Denver weather, just wait a few hours, and it will change. Does that sound somewhat familiar?

by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Jan 14, 2010 10:56 PM EST up reply actions  

We

live in the West Kootenays in BC. But we are not subject to what I guess is in fact the chinook effect, as they call it in Calgary, where it is freezing, then somehow a warm air flow from the Pacific blows in? We are about 4 hrs N of Spokane, and don’t experience that stuff. Just cloudy, rainy, and snowy, but not necessarily cold weather for the winter. Glad that I am Phoenix missing all of that, but that begs the question, which team to follow in spring training. The arch enemy Cubs? I am thinking maybe the Athletics, Mariners, Rox. or maybe Twins because of Morneau.

by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Jan 14, 2010 11:03 PM EST up reply actions  

BAAAANNNNFFFFF

that part of the Canadian Rockies is breathtaking

by TomCat009 on Jan 14, 2010 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

We

live in the west Kootenays, not the Rockies. A lower range, up to 9.000’ Our valley is populated by Vietnam war draft dodgers, old commune
people, descendants of the Japanese internment people in WWII, growers of BC bud (check it out!), loggers, and miners. Makes for an interesting community, especially at planning meetings. Sort of like the Cards and Yankees fans in a WS?

by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Jan 14, 2010 11:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I have seen 70 on christmas

and a day in mid june that was 70 at noon and had 6"of snow by midnight(freaked my seattle co-workers out)

by TomCat009 on Jan 14, 2010 11:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Russell Branyan

Can the man play 3rd base?

You may run like Hayes, but you hit like shit.

by flipthebird on Jan 14, 2010 1:40 PM EST reply actions  

why not. it's a nice bar

“He’s not Wellemeyer!”
“He’s not McRae!”
“He’s not Chris Duncan!”
…it works.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Branyan

would be huge hitting in front of Pujols. He hits lefty so he could be platooned with Freese. And his nickname is Russell the Muscle.

You may run like Hayes, but you hit like shit.

by flipthebird on Jan 14, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd be cool with a Branyan signing.

I don’t think Freese’s bat will show up. I hope I’m wrong.

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Jan 14, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

i hope you're wrong, too

but he’s shown (in very small samples) that he’s not scared of ML pitching

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

as opposed to your tyler greene

who puts up great AAA numbers and whiffs at everything in MLB

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I really don't want Tyler Greene on the team.

It’s so frustrating watching him. Maybe Mac can teach him to hit more dingers.

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Jan 14, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

apparently it's pronounced

go-tie

who here is going to lie and say that they knew it already?

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I knew it

just because I have actually listened to a few Royal games over the years

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 14, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I knew that

And I’m not lying.

And I’m not sure why I knew that.

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 14, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

that's how i knew, rofl

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

don't you dare make fun of me and my colloquialisms

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha, that's probably right, actually

I was thinking maybe Baseball Tonight, but a baseball game seems just as likely, if not more.

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 14, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Just for fun

http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=4416237

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 14, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

No doubt he's a talented fielder.

And he’s got quite an arm.

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Jan 14, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

dude has a canon

boog-esque

when are his AAA numbers gonna translate?

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Rec'd. Wholeheartedly.

And I want to know how long you’ve been sitting on that one, waiting for the right moment to use it. That’s hilarious.

"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols

by splhcb67 on Jan 14, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Just found it!

I wanted to see Thurston’s UZR. Wish I would’ve had it back when he missed that bag.

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Jan 14, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

that is just too effin hilarious.

I think someone over at Fangraphs is just a huge Cardinal fan, and made up that players name just for our enjoyment.

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 14, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Man, baseball players had the coolest names back then

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 14, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

congratulations!

You win the thread!

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 15, 2010 8:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Well shit come on now

With Thursty it was like a suspensful horror film. “Will Albert survive another weak, fading throw? Find out tonight at 7 pm, on FSM!”

Well when Thurston injures Pujols, and you have to bring up a new player, it’s like trading for a young prospect, only you don’t have to make a trade! You know, it really is!

VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009

by redbirdnation8206 on Jan 14, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

For a quick and dirty reference,

Fangraphs shows him at 10 UZR for his career at 3B, and projected in the neighborhood of a mid.350s wOBA.

"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols

by splhcb67 on Jan 14, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Umm...

…ignore the strikethrough…I think I got SBNed.

"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols

by splhcb67 on Jan 14, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

-10 UZR

-6.9 UZR/150.

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Jan 14, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

Was just about to say that…my dash got wiped out by the strikethrough.

"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols

by splhcb67 on Jan 14, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

And he has become older and more immobile with his injury problems (which are worth taking note of).

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Jan 14, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Can't be much worse of an injury risk than Troy Glaus was

and for similar slugging numbers (and cheaper).

This would be worth the defensive liability, I think.

by purple_haze on Jan 14, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

yes, I agree

I’ve always liked Branyan. Now he’s kinda “broken out” and had a 30-HR year I can’t see him being super cheap, though.

It’s bizarre no-ones signed him yet and garbage like Aubrey Huff, Casey Kotchman (although I actually quite like him) and the corpse of Troy Glaus have signed to play 1B on contending teams.

One of my favourite non-Holliday scenarios was signing Branyan to platoon at 3B (and get the odd start at 1B and PH) and Cust to platoon in LF, giving us a pretty poor defense on that side of the field against RHP but an offense that’s probably as good as signing Holliday.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 15, 2010 9:00 AM EST up reply actions  

I saw

this earlier. MLB considering expanding the first round of playoffs to best-of-7, and also considering expanded instant replay. Thoughts?

I’m okay with the first round being expanded to best-of-7, but only if the playoffs start earlier. World Series in November is ridiculous.

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Jan 14, 2010 2:53 PM EST reply actions  

moar baseball is moar baseball

and i am definitely in favor of instant replay

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

no shit

mlb dodged a bullet in 2009 with the twins
really, what do you do when you’re supposed to play with 20 inches of snow on the ground? everyone, quick, put on your costanza gore-tex!

by d-dee on Jan 14, 2010 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

screw that

2nd @ MIN 5:10 PM at Target Field
3rd @ MIN 1:10 PM at Target Field

That’s one spring snowstorm away from our guys getting death-icicled. But that’s okay, they don’t come home till April 12 at Busch.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Good point.

And yeah, I forgot to mention I’m in favor of expanded instant replay, too.

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Jan 14, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

i got your back Az, here's a salad

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 14, 2010 9:57 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

gdm is acting out again

i feel one hell of a time-out coming on…

"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5

"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jan 14, 2010 10:01 PM EST up reply actions  

this isn't happening.

"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5

"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jan 14, 2010 10:02 PM EST up reply actions  

for fucks sake

no one has outlawed anything. Dan & Az said to moderate things & me & the rest of the merry band of misfits have done just that.

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 14, 2010 10:10 PM EST up reply actions  

are you sure?

you don’t sound sure.

"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5

"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jan 14, 2010 10:23 PM EST up reply actions  

....

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 14, 2010 10:26 PM EST up reply actions  

i dare you to say that to azru's face.

you’d be in so much trouble.

"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5

"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jan 14, 2010 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

didn't i?

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 14, 2010 11:28 PM EST up reply actions  

alright no need to get carried away cow

keep it to a minimum dude

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 14, 2010 11:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry....

….but I am a passionate Holstein…
;=8)

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Jan 15, 2010 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

just keep in mind there are women here

and they might not appreciate pics like that. we all go off the rails, but try not to plow through the pasture, blow up the barn & destroy the farm house.

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 15, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

win

"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5

"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jan 14, 2010 10:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I think

my favorite thing about it is the way people are ducking and covering

by TomCat009 on Jan 14, 2010 10:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Last year

there was a gif of Cargo firing a Lazor on Purple Row not nearly as tastefull as this one

by TomCat009 on Jan 14, 2010 10:42 PM EST up reply actions  

that is AWESOME

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 14, 2010 10:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Those are catcher's thighs.

They were made for receiving!

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on Jan 14, 2010 10:14 PM EST up reply actions   3 recs

BAZINGA

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 14, 2010 10:16 PM EST up reply actions  

ha

you received the robin title once you lost the batman war.

I am the Batman

by CodyG on Jan 14, 2010 10:18 PM EST up reply actions  

the reader? is it one of those POV things?

if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus

by tom s. on Jan 14, 2010 11:42 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

more like

amirite?

"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5

"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jan 14, 2010 10:16 PM EST up reply actions  

holy crap!

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 14, 2010 10:20 PM EST up reply actions  

That explains

what broxton does in the offseason

by TomCat009 on Jan 14, 2010 10:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I would want Papelbon as my closer

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jan 14, 2010 7:50 PM EST up reply actions  

because you like douche's?

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Jan 14, 2010 7:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Well yeah

I have like 5 Braun posters of him modeling in my room…..

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jan 14, 2010 8:26 PM EST up reply actions  

The first round...

should be a huge 162 game round robin within the leagues, then round 2 should be a best of nine or eleven between the league champs, imo…

Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word

by guayzimi on Jan 14, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

maybe if we had doubleheaders.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 14, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Totally in favor of expanding the first round.

I’m of the opinion that the best-of-5 format is far too conducive to fluke series victories; the best-of-7, while obviously not perfect either (no short series would be, of course), makes it far more likely that the outcome will be decided by skill rather than luck. Yes, this past year’s postseason unpleasantness may have helped to solidify this opinion (obviously, I’m biased, but I really think that without two pieces of horrendously bad luck – namely, Carp deciding, for no apparent reason, to have one of his worst outings of the year, and Lego’s groin shot – that series goes our way), but it’s something I’ve thought for awhile.

And yes, you’d have to move everything earlier; maybe start the season the 3rd week of March or something?

"But I’m still hungry. I’ve got 10 fingers. There’s one that’s busy and I need nine more."
- Albert Pujols

by splhcb67 on Jan 14, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm okay with starting the season earlier

But it would overlap with March Madness, so attendance and television ratings might be down until that’s over. Baseball season (seemingly) always starts the day after the final game of March Madness.

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 14, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

making the first round of the playoffs 7 games

is the best idea they could implement imo. 5 games just isn’t fair, especially in a sport where the season is 162 games. the other postseason series are both 7 games, so why is the first round less important? it’s not like the wild card teams are a pushover, I just don’t see the reasoning to make the first round only 7 games.

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 14, 2010 7:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Could be useful as a swing man

That said — please, no.

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 14, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Why is that bad?

He’ll be cheap, and he strikes out enough people that he could be effective in the bullpen. His FIP last year was 4.11, which makes him about league average and WAY above league average for a fifth starter, who would normally have an FIP of around 4.60 if I’m not mistaken. You know, Kyle Lohse territory (grumble, fuckin’ bad contract, grumble). His peripherals are actually pretty good last year, for him, considering that he played in two hitters parks and had a HR/FB of only 8.9% with a BABIP of .325 (with a career average right at .300), if he regresses to the mean a bit and induces more ground balls on our staff he could be a very solid option on the back end of the rotation, and probably won’t cost more than $3M or so.

Felonius has been touting him for about a month now, and I think he’s a good option if the Smoltz/Sheets trains are too expensive for a 5th starter. He’s a hell of a lot better option than Jon Garland or Doug Davis, imo.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 14, 2010 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Meh, Im still on the Garland train

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jan 14, 2010 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup
His FIP last year was 4.11, which makes him about league average and WAY above league average for a fifth starter, who would normally have an FIP of around 4.60 if I’m not mistaken.

Actually, in the AL, league average FIP was 4.32 last year, so he was actually ABOVE average when he was on the field, and put up 2.5 wins in 130 IP. He upped his K rate too (albeit with a rise in his BB rate that still left him at, an admittedly good, 2.00 K/BB ratio). His fastball velocity was up. He has a fantastic groundball rate (46% career, 49% over the last two seasons) and a Smoltz-esque slider/splitter secondary arsenal that works well on both sides of the plate.

Contreras has CONSISTENTLY sported a below-average left-on-base %, which has always hurt his ERAs compared to his FIP/tRA. Now, part of that could be that he doesn’t perform as well as an average guy would under pressure, but I’m willing to bet a big chunk of it is that he’s played in front of Ozzie Guillen/Kenny Williams’ shitty defenses for pretty much his whole career, in a hitters’ park.

If he’s halfway healthy, Contreras has a shot at being a 3-4 win pitcher (although you’d probably project him for more like ~150IP and 2-2.5 WAR or so). He’s moving to an easier league, and will have a much better defense and a more comfortable pitchers’ park behind him.

I would be really, really happy if we got Contreras, much as I love John Smoltz. I think he’s probably nearly as good as Smoltz now when he’s on the field (with the slight disadvantage that he’s unproven in relief and perhaps doesn’t have the veteran-y, leadership-y-ness that Smoltzy has), and he’s probably a much better bet to exceed 100IP. I think he’s the best free agent pitching option, personally.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 15, 2010 9:20 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

What he said

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 15, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I think I am the no.1 contreras fan on here

been banging his drum (pre-emptive TWSS) for a while now.

This would be a great signing, IMO. He remains well above-average and is a great buy-low candidate after he got really unlucky with balls in play last year. His FIP was way better than his sorry ERA, and he lost his job in the rotation. I think he is the #1 bargain left on the free agent market, personally. If he can throw more than 150 innings, he’s still a #3 pitcher who’ll get #5 money, and he has the sort of stuff that might play in the bullpen.

SIGN JOSE CONTRERAS.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 15, 2010 9:05 AM EST up reply actions  

in other news

Jack Clark Defines the Term “Overreaction”

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 4:26 PM EST reply actions  

I AM NOT BITTER. I DO NOT CARE THAT THEY MADE MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

I HIT 27 HOME RUNS ONE YEAR AND THAT WAS A REAL ACCOMPLISHMENT!

YOU WILL PAY ATTENTION TO ME! I AM AN IMPORTANT PERSON!

if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus

by tom s. on Jan 14, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions   4 recs

i'm too young to really remember his relevance

but this seems about accurate

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

also, haha.

if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus

by tom s. on Jan 14, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

awesome.

if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus

by tom s. on Jan 14, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

why isn't this green?

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 14, 2010 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

i've had this page open for over 2 hours & there were no rec's

and i didn’t see had 8 recs till i rec’d it after i posted

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 14, 2010 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

if it really is green

Jack Clark has better things to worry about than Mark McGwire.

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 14, 2010 5:37 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

is he the hulk?

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 14, 2010 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

you're on fire today

much like his face…

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 15, 2010 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

she had a good day, she had a good day

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 15, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

wait

is that jack clark?

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

either that or the thing that ate him.

if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus

by tom s. on Jan 14, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

HFS, time has not done him well

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

i guess

the noses look kind of similar

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

That and some crappy plastic surgery.

His eyebrows are little higher and more arched than they used to be.

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Jan 14, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Can't tell from the MLBN screenshot

Still got the gapped teeth?

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 14, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

That's not time

that’s fast food joints at work.

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on Jan 14, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

what you havent seen him on the post-game shows?

He’s terrible too. He sounds like an big caveman and he has had some terrible plastic surgery (such an outdated term). He looks like one of my GI Joe action figures (Wild Bill) that got his face melted off in a terrible crash in his Super Cobra. (that chopper toy was fucking awesome!)

by QuadCitiesCardsFan on Jan 14, 2010 9:21 PM EST up reply actions  

hey no, I'm the QC cards fan.

No way I’m letting you take that away.

if only you could pick up on the sarcasm.

I am the Batman

by CodyG on Jan 14, 2010 9:26 PM EST up reply actions  

hey i don't know

He’s in England isn’t he. I figured he might not get the (FOX?) post game show. Definitely wouldn’t be missing much.

Do you live round these parts?

by QuadCitiesCardsFan on Jan 14, 2010 9:35 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, born and raised.

but,since I am batman, you can have the QC name.
Which city do you live in, anyways?

I am the Batman

by CodyG on Jan 14, 2010 9:40 PM EST up reply actions  

North Kilttown?

No weeey! I’m from North Kilttown!

"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5

"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jan 14, 2010 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Ummm

I don’t know what that means, so I’m just gonna smile and nod.

by QuadCitiesCardsFan on Jan 14, 2010 9:46 PM EST up reply actions  

c'mon man.

classic reference.

now if we could just introduce youtube users to the joys of av cables…

"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5

"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jan 14, 2010 9:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I just about to piss my pants

over the prospect of watching Shelby pitch here this year. Thirst-day Thursdays, here I come!!!

by QuadCitiesCardsFan on Jan 14, 2010 9:47 PM EST up reply actions  

not me, I've watch kozma, and wallace at the same time

I thought that was insane, and the mulder game was great too.
too bad kozma sucks now, he autographed one of my mini bats.

I am the Batman

by CodyG on Jan 14, 2010 9:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Well I haven't

I was here last year and Ottavino was about the only guy that I can think of.

by QuadCitiesCardsFan on Jan 14, 2010 9:56 PM EST up reply actions  

me neither

but single A ball is super boring without type-A prospects … and they stopped selling Bent River Oatmeal Stout in the ballpark.

by QuadCitiesCardsFan on Jan 14, 2010 9:59 PM EST up reply actions  

reference?

willie I assumed

I am the Batman

by CodyG on Jan 14, 2010 9:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Also,

You’re the Batman. You can’t take all the good names for yourself.

by QuadCitiesCardsFan on Jan 14, 2010 9:36 PM EST up reply actions  

He might be the worst studio analyst ever

I so hope that Matheny, Eldred, or even a sock puppet take most of the studio duties in 2010 over Jack Clark.

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Jan 14, 2010 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

why in the hell would anyone sign Adam Archuleta?

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Jan 14, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

i got a great deal on a 50 inch plasma TV for you

i has a few scratches on the back because it fell off a truck

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 14, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Leave the steroids

Take the cannoli.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Jan 15, 2010 1:01 AM EST up reply actions  

i kind of understand his frustration

even though the burwell’s and his ilk come off as moral posturers. the players’ livelihoods’ were directly affected by others cheating. I can understand being angry.
that being said, he still comes off an angry old coot. He should choose his words more carefully if he was trying to generate sympathy.

by _pistol_ on Jan 14, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

He should have said something when he was still in baseball.

He’s a coward shooting from behind grassy knolls.

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on Jan 14, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I can understand being angry

but saying you’re going to give him the silent treatment strikes me as very strange.

by nota bene on Jan 15, 2010 12:08 AM EST up reply actions  

What is Jack Clark on

that makes his skin turn orange? That shit can’t be legal either. He should be banned from TV. His nuclear looking skin will cause more damage to kids than any steroid shooting has done, that’s for sure.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 14, 2010 6:17 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Valverde

signs with Tigers

2yr/14M with an option

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

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by mattyfrommo on Jan 14, 2010 5:04 PM EST reply actions  

i beat you to it

but i posted in the wrong thread =(

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

anyway

a big sigh of relief

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

awful contract

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on Jan 14, 2010 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm a little surprised, too.

Just glad it wasn’t the Cardinals.

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Jan 14, 2010 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

$7Mil per sounds about right to me

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 14, 2010 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly

he’s a relief pitcher. he’s gonna pitch 60 innings max. there’s only so much good/damage that can be done in that amount of time. when you can sign ben sheets/brad penny/rich harden/john smoltz for the same or less, it’s kind of ridiculous. but i guess people are enamored with the concept of “closer”

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah he's a closer

good, bad, write or wrong the good ones, and he’s a good one, get paid

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 14, 2010 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Makes no sense

Granderson was too expensive at 13.25M the next two years but Valverde for the same works? Do they know something about Granderson no one else does?

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jan 14, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

that he would be worth

way more over a full season than valverde?

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

And they gave up a 1st rounder

So effectively Granderson, Edwin Jackson and a 1st rounder for Valverde, Austin Jackson, Scherzer, Schlereth and Coke with basically no cost savings outside of a couple mil on Jackson? Ummm what? Isn’t this why they drafted Ryan Perry to begin with so they wouldn’t have to sign a closer?

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Jan 14, 2010 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

That ledger...

balances, or nearly does, in my book.

Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word

by guayzimi on Jan 14, 2010 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

They did get Scherzer and Jackson

for Granderson. It’s not like they gave him away for nothing.

Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word

by guayzimi on Jan 14, 2010 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Granderson was too expensive at 13.25M the next two years

No – it’s not like Granderson was a salary dump. They got like 20 cost-controlled years of a potential ace starter (Scherzer), a likely-to-be-average-or-a-bit-better replacement in CF (A-Jax) and two potentiallty useful bullpen arms (Coke & Schlereth). That’s a pretty good haul for a guy who starts getting quite expensive in the years Detroit are likely to be rebuilding (2012 and 2013). I think the Granderson deal was a great one for the Tigers.

They wouldn’t have traded him if they weren’t getting top prospects in return. Scherzer and Jackson alone will probably be worth more than 20 WAR over the course of their team controlled years.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 15, 2010 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

So, about that last RHP we need in the bullpen

Anyone think Merkin Valdez might be worth a look? He was just cut DFA’d by the Giants to make room for their (increasingly laughable) Aubrey Huff signing.

Valdez walks like a bajillion people (5.11 BB/9 in 2009!), but he also has a fastball that clocks in at 95+. Maybe if Dave Duncan has some spare pixie dust lying around he could turn Merkin’s former-top-prospect potential into something actually useful.

Plus he was TOTALLY awesome in MVP 05, which makes me still kinda love him.

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 14, 2010 5:35 PM EST reply actions  

I loved him in that game.

Eh, not much worse than the bottom feeders in the pen, plus some definite upside with that kind of velocity. Minor League Deal sounds ok.

I vote the anti-Tony ticket:
Aggressiveness on the basepaths,
Patience at the plate.

by aNdrOss on Jan 14, 2010 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Burning Man's LLC

told me that picture would not get on the internets!

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

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by mattyfrommo on Jan 14, 2010 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Someone's mother

owes someone an apology…

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 14, 2010 6:22 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

No thanks

67 big league innings is about one full season, and that’s how many he’s thrown in his whole career, while posting a K/9 of a little over 7 and walking 5 guys an inning.

No thank you.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 14, 2010 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't call that a definitive sample size,

but I get your point.

I vote the anti-Tony ticket:
Aggressiveness on the basepaths,
Patience at the plate.

by aNdrOss on Jan 15, 2010 1:34 AM EST up reply actions  

The guy is called Merkin

Think of the game-thread hi-jinx. GO GET HIM MO.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 15, 2010 9:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Also OT:....

…I hate Clemson basketball.

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by vexedtechie on Jan 14, 2010 7:07 PM EST reply actions  

Nice passive aggressive style, ClemsonGirl

You would fit in well at my company

Mo, you can trade anything of mine.

by njnick on Jan 14, 2010 7:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Did you end up goin' to the game?

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by vexedtechie on Jan 14, 2010 7:13 PM EST up reply actions  

33pts off of 26 turnovers is far from conducive to winning.

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by vexedtechie on Jan 14, 2010 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

No.

It is not.
I wasn’t comfortable until like 2 minutes though. I have learned to never be comfortable with a Clemson lead in any sport.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 14, 2010 7:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I knew the game was done once y'all opened it up to a 20pt lead

…Very reminiscent of the 08 Final Four game vs Kansas.

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by vexedtechie on Jan 14, 2010 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

It's never over with Clemson.

It’s sad.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 14, 2010 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Shoulda convinced Oglesby to stick around and not go to Italy

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by vexedtechie on Jan 14, 2010 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

He lost as many games as he won with his attitude.

The douchebag.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 14, 2010 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

So I guess it's all good that Purnell let him walk?

…I love his coaching style, btw. HUGE fan of the press. Especially when UNC runs around it….which they forgot to do last night.

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by vexedtechie on Jan 14, 2010 7:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah definitely.

I really didn’t like him much. I saw him once in the Comm lab and he looked at me like I should be swooning or something and I just looked at him with a bored look on my face.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 14, 2010 7:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Wait....

….that’s not how you’re supposed to pick-up ladies?

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by vexedtechie on Jan 14, 2010 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Only if you're wearing one of those affliction shirts

or you’re Italian and from Joisey.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 14, 2010 7:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I was fist-pump dance-battling last night at the bar.

Guidodancin’ is the business. Don’t judge.

Ya gotta start the pump down low and bring it up when the refrain comes up.

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by vexedtechie on Jan 14, 2010 7:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Michael Cera vs Conan O'Brien

Controlled Mayhem Dance-off

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by vexedtechie on Jan 14, 2010 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

BAM!

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by vexedtechie on Jan 14, 2010 7:45 PM EST up reply actions  

That's hilarious.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 14, 2010 7:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I was once pulled onstage during a cabaret in London

It was not pretty.

I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.

by The Continental on Jan 14, 2010 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Also, why wear Affliction when I could rock...

…a Victorino shirt?!

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by vexedtechie on Jan 14, 2010 7:39 PM EST up reply actions  

It looked like the same thing.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 14, 2010 7:39 PM EST up reply actions  

All this time I've been doin' it wrong.

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by vexedtechie on Jan 14, 2010 7:40 PM EST up reply actions  

chloroform is sooo 90's

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 14, 2010 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm so angry about this fact of my life.

I had a staff meeting last night at 9:30. SO my friend and I were like okay I guess we’re not camping out because we can’t go. Then I get a text message at 1:30 yesterday saying we cancelled the staff meeting because of the game. Great.. Thanks for that now. After people have been camping out since Saturday! And now I won’t get a ticket if I go stand inline. I actually might have but I don’t think so.
So rude.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 14, 2010 7:16 PM EST up reply actions  

See, the last 'Heels game I went to was 2nd-rd NCAA tourney against LSU

…also got to see Duke-Texas, so it was a good 2-game set.

I need to move dead-center between STL and Chapel Hill…

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by vexedtechie on Jan 14, 2010 7:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Also, you can't hate u!

10 years! 10 years! I think it was about time.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 14, 2010 7:20 PM EST up reply actions  

us*

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 14, 2010 7:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I most certainly can.

I expect domination from all of my teams.

Cardinals, UNC basketball, UNC football (rarity), Green Bay

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by vexedtechie on Jan 14, 2010 7:21 PM EST up reply actions  

UNC Football.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 14, 2010 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

One of my friends is practically engaged to a Duke fan

and his only rule for their wedding is that it can’t be on a Saturday when Duke has a football game. I was like Duke football? Really? You’re planning your wedding around Duke football?

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 14, 2010 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

FWIW, Duke's really turned their program around...

…8 years ago, they were miserable. Ever since Cutcliffe came in, it’s been wayyy better. ALMOST bowl-eligible!

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by vexedtechie on Jan 14, 2010 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah they're not the worst team ever.

but still I wouldn’t plan my wedding around their football team. Around Clemson’s? Hell yes.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 14, 2010 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Duke can't even beat Illinois

(actually, they probably could)

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Jan 14, 2010 7:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Illinois

will probably be looking for a coach next year. That team doesn’t look good at all, especially without Benn.

It’s ok though, Indiana will be down at the bottom too If only Lynch could coach.

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jan 14, 2010 7:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Hope?

the immediate future doesn’t look good, and the schedule will beat them up, but I like the hirings so far this off season.

Petrino’s offense should hopefully do much better than the Schultz/Zook combo last year, and whichever QB wins the job (Charest, Scheelhause, or Witmer) will be more accurate than Juice. His (Petrino) pro style, feed the studs, offense sounds better to me than option-screen-short pass-punt. Leshore and Ford will be solid at RB and the WR’s will be at least average.

Koening will be more aggressive on Defense, and hopefully the Zooker will keep his nose out of there as well. Miami Thomas and Martez Wilson will be back from injury. Ian Thomas and Terry Hawethorn proved themselves last year, and the D-Line will be strong. Safety is still an issue though.

The team will still struggle, most likely, but the new coaches/schemes will be interesting.
(Probably far too in depth college football talk for a baseball blog, so I’ll try to stop)

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Jan 14, 2010 8:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Meh, gotta talk about something in the late offseason

Actually, I do have some optimism for Indiana, but it’s just, we get embarassed EVERY SINGLE 2ND HALF. It is frustrating. Hell, Ricky Stanzi throws 5 INT and a fumble and we STILL lose….My god. We play every team close in the 1st, and then get blown out, so saddening. Least our QB is pretty decent, our WR core is pretty nice, and our RB’s are good. Our line is kinda new, and our defense is still pretty bad, but it might be entertaining.

Lynch is a great guy. I mean, he isn’t paid much (3rd worst paycheck among D1), he loves the job, and is an Indiana guy, but he just isn’t a good coach. He’s a hell of a recruiter, as recruiting at Indiana is no small task, but he is just that, an assistant/recruiter, and not a head coach.

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jan 14, 2010 8:24 PM EST up reply actions  

They're probably losing him in the next few days

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 14, 2010 7:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I know, shame shame.

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by vexedtechie on Jan 14, 2010 7:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Never have I claimed they were good.

…but I love me some Butch Davis.

…and how can you hate a team that had a guy named “COOTER ARNOLD” on it?

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by vexedtechie on Jan 14, 2010 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't hate them.

I actually like UNC when they aren’t playing us. But UNC football is… I don’t really know what to say.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 14, 2010 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll say it for you...

“Mediocre at best with flashes of hope.”

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by vexedtechie on Jan 14, 2010 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

did everyone here the Hollywood interview this morning?

here it is in case you missed it. quality stuff. my favorite part is where he talks about robbing the reds of HR’s back in 05

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 14, 2010 7:27 PM EST reply actions  

More like JimtotheFlam

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 14, 2010 7:34 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

dude was my favorite Cardinal, i hated to hear he's really done

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 14, 2010 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

"canseco is a liar"

oh nsap, jimmy!

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

"The best catch I ever made was accepting a trade from Anaheim to St. Louis."

Heh.

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 14, 2010 8:36 PM EST up reply actions  

this was awesome

thank you for posting it. Jimmy’s a funny mofo. Usually athletes aren’t so opinionated. Some great stories, too (I loved the bit about Dempster).

by nota bene on Jan 15, 2010 12:13 AM EST up reply actions  

your welcome, gotta earn my keep around here somehow

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 15, 2010 12:23 AM EST up reply actions  

right after they hang up 51

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 15, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

oh goody

moar douchebag clothing lines

just what the world needed

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 14, 2010 7:32 PM EST reply actions  

He's another player I really can't stand.

Him and that MVP stealing Ryan Howard.

Think; It's not illegal yet.

by azruavatar on Jan 14, 2010 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

anyone who calls themselves the flying hawaiian automaticly goes on the gdm hate list

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 14, 2010 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Josh Johnson Agrees To Four-Year Extension
Johnson will make $3.75MM this year, $7.75MM next year, and $13.75MM in the final two years of the agreement, according to ESPN’s Jerry Crasnick

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 7:52 PM EST reply actions  

does the contract state which of the other 29 teams he will be earning $13.75M from?

if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus

by tom s. on Jan 14, 2010 7:54 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

STL?

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 14, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions  

These were my exact thoughts

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 14, 2010 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Dang.

But he’ll be traded in two years.

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Jan 14, 2010 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Hopefully to us.

Wish I could blame SBN for forgetting that last part.

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Jan 14, 2010 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

In the spirit of philanthropy

and because I know the Marlins like to keep the payroll under control, I think Mo should offer to “eat” that albatross contract for them. They get Ryan Franklin, everyone’s happy.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 15, 2010 9:32 AM EST up reply actions  

hooray! knucklers in the lou!

if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus

by tom s. on Jan 14, 2010 7:54 PM EST up reply actions  

in other news, bryan anderson, and matt pagnozzi HATE this decision.

if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus

by tom s. on Jan 14, 2010 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

HA

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 14, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions  

good

maybe pagnozzi will request a trade
(for a case of new bats for Albert)

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Jan 14, 2010 7:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you kidding me?

Pagnozzi has a chance to become a knuckleball catching specialist. This could be his only conceivable niche at the big league level. Plus he gets one of those cool huge floppy gloves!

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 14, 2010 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Why?

For two reasons. Given his stats, what is in it for us, and why does Mathew overuse the word intriguing so much? In this case mystifying may be a better adjective.

by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Jan 14, 2010 11:12 PM EST up reply actions  

he's a knuckler

they generally only start to get effective in their 30s. His best years are probably ahead of him.

I doubt he starts a game for us this year, mind you. It’s just a low-risk, upside sorta move.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 15, 2010 9:33 AM EST up reply actions  

makes you wonder

if Duncan can teach a knuckleballer a two-seamer….

by nota bene on Jan 14, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

The Cardinals and Auburn basketball are overlapping for me right now

THROW MOAR SINKERZ:Cardinals baseball::SHOOT MOAR THREEZ:Auburn basketball

How Jeff Lebo is still our coach, I haven’t the foggiest

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by jd is legend on Jan 14, 2010 7:54 PM EST reply actions  

Well, almost Indiana basketball time

Still pissed at Illinois, but I will live :P

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by Taskmaster on Jan 14, 2010 7:59 PM EST reply actions  

Tisdale

is now wearing a flak jacket after the beating he took against you guys

Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")

by STLRegalia on Jan 14, 2010 8:06 PM EST up reply actions  

"Beating"

I know Pritchard has fingers of steel, but does his touch hurt that bad?

/end sarcastic rant

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In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
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by Taskmaster on Jan 14, 2010 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I go to Indiana's law school

I tried to care about basketball this year, but football broke my heart. I thought they were good enough for a bowl game. They played Michigan so well.

by Mulliganstew on Jan 14, 2010 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Everyone played Michigan well.

Well, except for Notre Dame of course.

by jeepnut on Jan 15, 2010 8:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Gah

And the Notre Dame shots cometh.

:)

 /puts on bulletproof vest

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In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
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by Taskmaster on Jan 15, 2010 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Not for much longer I'm sure.

By picking up Kelly, you’re almost guaranteed 2 to 3 more wins a season based on coaching decisions alone. Weis really choked in some games this year. Michigan especially. Not that we’re complaining. : )

by jeepnut on Jan 15, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Ahaha

I do have complete confidence in Kelly. I think Stoops would have been the best option, but hey, Kelly is proven :P. That’s more than I can say about a certain coach we had last year…

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by Taskmaster on Jan 15, 2010 9:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Eh Kelly is a creep too

karma’s a bitch. I’d rather have an awful football team with a stand up coach like Zook. Ok maybe not, but I’d still rather have a decent guy running the program.

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by ducttape16 on Jan 17, 2010 12:49 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree

It’s too bad, if we had a decent D-Coordinator (Tenuta has been here forever and has sucked the entire time), we would be at least 9-3.

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by Taskmaster on Jan 17, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

I just enjoy the people

who expect winning out of Illinois football… what is this the 20s? Illinois football is much more enjoyable when you have no preconceived notions that winning will occur.

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by ducttape16 on Jan 19, 2010 4:32 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't see how we didn't have a shot

Now would be a perfect time for him to leave OK. Loses the QB to the NFL, loses a bunch of key first round pieces, and that fanbase still seems to think he can’t win the big game.

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-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jan 17, 2010 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

They were good enough for a bowl

They at least could hold on with teams through the 1st half, but the problem was that we couldn’t make the adjustments to keep up

I would be so happy if Lynch could remedy this, but I feel his time is short.

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-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jan 15, 2010 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Question for anyone that can help

I’m in a baseball arbitration competition next weekend and have to argue for/against certain players getting specific salaries. Is there a good way to explain how, say, 4.5 WAR equals $20.4 million in production?

I’m somewhat reluctant to even bring up WAR given that the “arbitrators” probably won’t even know what it means, but if there was a decent, accessible way to explain how it equals a certain dollar value in production, it would definitely help my cause. Thanks in advance if anyone has any ideas.

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by bmorgan on Jan 14, 2010 9:11 PM EST reply actions  

here's a good explanation

of how wins are converted to dollarts

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 9:25 PM EST up reply actions  

it's more

that that’s the going rate for a win. as the THT article states, the value of a win is dependent upon many things, especially how good the team already is, with the most valuable wins being just shy of $2MM

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 9:44 PM EST up reply actions  

meaning

that on a per-WAR basis, that is roughly how FA players are paid

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

i understand it is the average

To bad treats it that way. Markets are more complex than that. I also believe a 2 WAR player is more than twice as valuable as a 1 WAR player due to scarcity of position.

by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 14, 2010 9:50 PM EST up reply actions  

most people wouldn't disagree with you

a 6 WAR player is more valuable than three 2 WAR players. they’re still paid linearly, though

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 9:52 PM EST up reply actions  

of course ther will be outliers

but the overall average price for a win is going to be about $4.5MM

if in 6 years when all those SSs hit free agency, none of them have flamed out and none sign contract extensions, then it might slightly offset the 10% $/WAR inflation rate, but not enough t dismiss the entire idea

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 10:08 PM EST up reply actions  

oh shit!

i was wondering how you read it so fast! i just forgot the link

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/win-values-explained-part-six/#comment-58487

the fangraphs one shows more how FG translates WAR to dollar value. the THT one is more about player performance affecting revenue

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

i don't know why it linked to a comment

just scroll up to the article

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 9:33 PM EST up reply actions  

that said

WAR probably wouldn’t be a good measure of what arb players would make anyway since the team has exclusive negotiating rights and arb players don’t typically make what a FA player would make

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 9:28 PM EST up reply actions  

no?

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 9:30 PM EST up reply actions  

lol, sorry

i’m a moran

go usa

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 9:32 PM EST up reply actions  

step 1. find this mysterious replacement player

step 2. ???
step 3. profit!

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"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jan 14, 2010 9:26 PM EST up reply actions  

It's pretty simple

If you look at the salaries of all free agents over the past few years, adjusted for inflation, as a function of projected WAR, you’ll find that A) the scale is linear (meaning that a 2 WAR player is paid twice as much as a 1 WAR player) and B) the average dollars per projected WAR is around 4.0 (depending on how you project WAR).

Dave Cameron also has a nice explanation of that process here.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/win-values-explained-part-six

by vivaelpujols on Jan 15, 2010 2:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I'll say it

do you get curly fries if you win?

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by Yadi2Second on Jan 15, 2010 2:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Seriously OT, buuuuut ...

Looking at taking the GF to Napa in October. Is anyone familiar with the area? Is that a good time to go and would anyone have some good resources for planning day trips? I don’t want to go to the same vineyard every Tom (Pagnozzi), Dick (Ankiel), and Harry (Carey) go to. Read: No bus loads of senior citizens.

by QuadCitiesCardsFan on Jan 14, 2010 9:42 PM EST reply actions  

There are other options...

off the beaten track… Napa is not off the beaten track by any stretch. Have you seen Sideways? Funny freakin movie. I saw it with my mother-in-law [cringe]. When dude started going on and on about having anal sex with the plump waitress I about wanted to crawl under the chair.

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by guayzimi on Jan 14, 2010 9:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I live about 30 miles south of Napa and go up to wine country about 2x a month.

Napa and Sonoma have very different vibes and are next door to each other (more or less) so if you’re in the area you should try both counties. If you’re set on Napa, in my opinion the best area for wine tasting is on the east side of Napa along the Silverado Trail. Some great wine on this trail includes Chimney Rock for their great reds, Stags Leap (good cab and old vine reds), Mumm for the great valley view from their tasting deck and fairly good sparkling wine. For an off-the-beaten-track experience I recommend Bremer Family Vineyard. You need to make an appointment to visit there, but they have some of the best wines I’ve ever tasted and everybody I send there tells me they loved it. I’d recommend packing a picnic (stop at the Soda Canyon Store to get supplies) to take to Bremer and eat outside while tasting. It’s located on Howell Mountain and offers great views of the valley. If you want to eat out for lunch, Auberge Du Soleil has great food and an unbelievable view from their deck. If you are staying up there I’d recommend staying in Calistoga, specifically at the Calistoga Ranch (super pricey though).

I could go on and on, so feel free to shoot me an email and I can give you more options in Sonoma as well. My email is cnorlander at mac dot com.

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by norlanski on Jan 14, 2010 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I live in San Francisco

I know nothing about Napa and can’t help you.

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by mojowo11 on Jan 14, 2010 10:55 PM EST up reply actions  

hilarous ...

And I loved it! “I AM NOT DRINKING FUCKING MERLOT!”

I know its not. I’ve never been to the Cali wine country so you gotta see Napa Valley once. There’s like 300 wineries. I’m sure some are off the proverbial beaten path.

by QuadCitiesCardsFan on Jan 14, 2010 9:54 PM EST reply actions  

can we pretend you weren't?

that would make this thread feel more like riding on a bus downtown.

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"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jan 14, 2010 9:56 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

more like

populated with homeless/schizophrenics. in which you would be playing the part of…nevermind. i’m tired of explaining myself.

/puts on headphones to ignore schizo homeless guy

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"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jan 14, 2010 10:00 PM EST up reply actions  

oooooh

/hits the button on the GFCI that Tudor’s Electric Fan is plugged into

by QuadCitiesCardsFan on Jan 14, 2010 10:02 PM EST up reply actions  

replying...

is overrated… Don’t let the reply fail fascists get to you.

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A prescient young man;
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by guayzimi on Jan 14, 2010 9:57 PM EST up reply actions  

it wasn't really written

in the most neutral manner, but he’s pretty much right

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 10:51 PM EST up reply actions  

had the rays

just shed a similar contract?

i don’t think i can get behind more than $5MM for a reliever under many circumstances, but the truly ridiculous thing with the tigers is that this was right after dumping granderson. it’s like they were kids in the mall with money just burning a hole in their pockets

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by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I like what...

they got back for Granderson.

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Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
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by guayzimi on Jan 14, 2010 11:01 PM EST up reply actions  

what do you mean?

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A prescient young man;
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by guayzimi on Jan 14, 2010 11:06 PM EST up reply actions  

well

Ordonez 18M
Willis 12.5M
Robertson 12M
Inge 6.5M
Bonderman 12.5M
 
are all gone after 2010.

I am the Batman

by CodyG on Jan 14, 2010 11:20 PM EST up reply actions  

maggs

still has an option for 2011 that can vest with PAs

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

not that drama again(MLBTR is going to runin my summer with those.

still if he doesn’t vest, that’s 50M off the books.

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by CodyG on Jan 14, 2010 11:24 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

that’s some cash, for sure. then i’m sure they’ll take their helping of the 2011 FA class and blow their load on a bunch of other cabrera/ordonez-esque deals

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

the granderson trade was a good one

but it was a salary dump. and it doesn’t make any sense to turn around and give the exact same contract to a guy who won’t be able to give nearly as much value. plus cost you a first round pick

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 11:02 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah I mostly agree...

Granderson was signed to a 3/26, so this contract isn’t as much. But I get your point… The Granderson trade was good for the Tigers, this is bad.

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A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word

by guayzimi on Jan 14, 2010 11:06 PM EST up reply actions  

i actually thought

it was 2/13.5, but that’s just for the next two years. it’s still a bad deal, but i guess they don’t owe that extra $12MM to him.

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Plus I get a little bit of a bad feeling about Granderson...

It seems like his game is moving away from his speed… more balls in the air, more Ks, less steals. He’s still awesome, but .240 batting average could be the new normal for him.

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Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word

by guayzimi on Jan 14, 2010 11:18 PM EST up reply actions  

hell, but

his .249 BA still translated into a league average wOBA and helped him to a 3.4 WAR 2009

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 11:19 PM EST up reply actions  

and

he stole 20 bases last year. second most of his career

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 11:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, he's an excellent player

But I think the return they got back from him, and the overrated Jackson, was better than keeping the two and not signing Valverde (not that one necessitated the other)

by vivaelpujols on Jan 14, 2010 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

It wasn't a salary dump

The haul they got back was excellent.

and it doesn’t make any sense to turn around and give the exact same contract to a guy who won’t be able to give nearly as much value.

It wasn’t either or. Basically, it’s Sherzer and Valverde vs. just Granderson.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 14, 2010 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

just because they got a good return

doesn’t mean it wasn’t a salary dump

it’s a good trade for a 3-4 WAR player, but they still moved him to reduce salary. at least that’s what was advertised and that’s why they were also shopping cabrera, reportedly

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 11:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Cabrera doesn't have a good contract

He’s a good player, but not good enough to justify his contract.

At any rate, Sherzer is at least a 2-3 WAR player right now, with a hell of a lot more upside – and Jackson is still a very solid prospect. Sclerith and Coke are quality relievers, under team control for the next 6 years.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 14, 2010 11:20 PM EST up reply actions  

it's a good trade.

i agree

it also brought some salary relief which the tigers were in need of. or so it seemed

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

And I agree that Valverde is a bad contract

But if you take a look at how FanGraphs reacted to the Valverde deal vs. the Soriano deal, it’s disgusting the amount of bias that shows up.

I like FanGraphs stats, and they have some good writers – but there really is some serious groupthink and speciousness going on there.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 14, 2010 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I couldn't agree more

I trade to wade in somewhat on your side of that argument… I definitely agree that there’s a big pseudo-sabr movement that rather lazily dismisses certain things off-hand, when in reality it’s pretty much the antithesis of sabremetrics to come at a problem with your mind already made up.

I think this has happened more than once in the past. Everyone on there was parroting (this time last year) that John Garland’s peripherals were falling off a cliff and he’d be an awful signing for anyone at $8m or whatever, when in fact they weren’t, he wasn’t (and I’m not saying this as a big Garland fan or anything, I’m glad WE didn’t sign him last year, but the fact is he was still more or less the same 2-3 win pitcher he’s always been, just with a few more years on the clock and a bit of a drop in his K-rate).

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 15, 2010 9:47 AM EST up reply actions  

the granderson trade was a good one
but it was a salary dump.

No it wasn’t. They probably got back similar value right now. A-Jax is probably a 2 win downgrade from Grandy, but Scherzer is probably a 3-win upgrade (at least) from the guys he’s likely to push out of the rotation (the likes of Nate Robertson). And they add Coke and Schlereth, who can probably help out their bullpen right away. I guess they lost Edwin Jackson so you could argue they got worse there, maybe 2 wins or so lost. They only saved about $4m in 2010.

At worst, they’ve stayed at more or less the same value in 2010, maybe lost one win or so but saved enough money to buy that win back on the FA market, and got a lot better (and cheaper) in the long run.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 15, 2010 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

okay

why does a salary dump necessitate getting a bad return? they trade made them better, but they still got salary relief. it was a salary dump, though it looks more like they were dumping his future salary more than his 2010 salary considering the valverde signing

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 15, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't mind that

It’s the general attitude that every single deal can be broken down into WAR/salary and the notiont that you can find league average players for free.

by vivaelpujols on Jan 14, 2010 11:18 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

they also seem to have vendettas against certain sorts of players. Pretty much any player with a positive WAR can be a potentially good signing at the right price and in the right circumstances. I think sometimes they just see that a bad GM has signed a player who isn’t very “fangraphs-friendly” and criticise the deal based on that.

The Valverde deal isn’t great, but if they (say) feel that relievers are under-valued by WAR and other sabr-stats (not an unreasonable position, IMO), and feel that with the addition of Scherzer that their rotation is set for 2010, there probably aren’t too many other spots they could’ve spent $7m on and improve by the same amount. They’ve got near average players at every position (though I think 2B is arguably an area they could’ve made a move on, Lopez or Hudson would’ve been a better signing than Valverde) and a potentially pretty shaky pen, assuming Zumaya is going to default to his usual “injured 75% of the time” season.

Calero and Dotel are more cost-effective options, but Valverde IS better than both of them, and he’s a flyball pitcher moving to a bigger park. I can see the argument for why they wanted him. He probably adds 1-2 wins to their final total this year (well, at least 1!), and it’s hard to do much better than that with $7m anywhere else in their team.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 15, 2010 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

So drinkers

Vodka Grey Goose, VOX or Stolichnaya? Is Russian Standard on par with those three? Potato or Grain? Discuss.

by TomCat009 on Jan 14, 2010 10:52 PM EST reply actions  

When you discuss

you remind me of my first girlfriend. “So i was thinking maybe italian or mexican for dinner, what do you think” “Okay”

by TomCat009 on Jan 14, 2010 11:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Bathtub.

"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5

"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jan 14, 2010 10:58 PM EST up reply actions  

what was the line from Dylan

“one was texas medicine and the other was railroad gin”

by TomCat009 on Jan 14, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

no vodka

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Fine Rum then

Spiced, Clear, or Amber. Cruzan, Captain, or Malibu

by TomCat009 on Jan 14, 2010 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

haha, rum is pretty gross, too

i drank way too much of that stuff in my youth. i did tend to like the cap’n then, though. and to preempt you, no gin

let’s stick with whiskey and tequila. knob creek and patron

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by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

i'll be 25 in two months

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry.....

you should still get off my lawn.

* is an Asshat

by RiverRat on Jan 14, 2010 11:24 PM EST up reply actions  

gladly

i’m not too excited about being 25

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 11:25 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not so bad

You can rent cars now

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 14, 2010 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

i could before

but i had to pay a “young renters” fee

i definitely did consider this

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 11:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I will never get off your lawn.

What are you going to do shoot me? My armor is bullet-proof.

I am the Batman

by CodyG on Jan 14, 2010 11:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Kilo Kai Spiced Rum.

…So much better than Sailor or Captain.

Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.

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by vexedtechie on Jan 15, 2010 12:08 AM EST up reply actions  

my friend has a friend has a friend

who’s dad owns that company. apparently it’s good shit.

follow me on twitter @nickg105

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 15, 2010 12:12 AM EST up reply actions  

De. Licious.

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by vexedtechie on Jan 15, 2010 12:25 AM EST up reply actions  

haven't tried that yet

it’s even spendier than Sailor’s is, but I might have to try it @ some point.

by nota bene on Jan 15, 2010 12:20 AM EST up reply actions  

It's not really, it's on-average about 90 cents more for a 5th than Captain

Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.

BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS

by vexedtechie on Jan 15, 2010 12:25 AM EST up reply actions  

ah

at the grocery store I usually go to, it’s usually way more than the other rums. I’ll have to look some place else, I guess.

by nota bene on Jan 15, 2010 12:32 AM EST up reply actions  

whichever one dad smelled like.

"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5

"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jan 14, 2010 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

yes

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 14, 2010 11:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I know bob

What does GDM never hear from a lady?

I am the Batman

by CodyG on Jan 14, 2010 11:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Whiskey?

Bourbon, or Tennesee? Irish Single malt or Scotch. Peat or not to Peat?

by TomCat009 on Jan 14, 2010 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

if you still have nose hairs after drinking it

it’s the wrong kind.

"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5

"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.

by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jan 14, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions  

scotch is better

but i drink more bourbon

"Moneyball: It's kind of like communism."

by prophetjohn on Jan 14, 2010 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

yes

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 14, 2010 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

To peat or not to peat?

It is really an acquired taste. I prefer non peat single malt. Does the peat have any medicinal purposes that I am not aware of – hangover cure?

by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Jan 14, 2010 11:50 PM EST up reply actions  

A fine

distinction. I just went to this site, and here is what they say:

“The barley malt for Scotch whisky is first dried over fires that have been stoked with dried peat (a form of compacted grass and heather compost that is harvested from the moors). The peat smoke adds a distinctive smoky tang to the taste of the malt whisky.”

http://www.tastings.com/spirits/scotch.html

So, while there is no peat used as a direct ingredient in the distillation process, its’ scent certainly imbues the barley, and leads to the distinctive flavour which is, as I said, an acquired taste. Clever scottish clansmen, trying to make their hooch taste bad so no one would steal it!

So,

by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Jan 15, 2010 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I prefer Rye personally

But bourbon would answer the question.

Can Colby round out our new MV3?

by fourstick on Jan 15, 2010 9:38 AM EST up reply actions  

no fun.

follow me on twitter @nickg105

by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 14, 2010 11:43 PM EST up reply actions  

yes

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 14, 2010 11:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Good CBB game on ESPN2

GU & St. Mary’s. Conference rivals and it shows.

* is an Asshat

by RiverRat on Jan 14, 2010 11:47 PM EST reply actions  

OT Homework quesion for all good VEBers

name three movies where samuel jackson didn’t have a weapon in his hand.

I am the Batman

by CodyG on Jan 15, 2010 12:57 AM EST reply actions  

Goodfellas.

Soul Men. Coach Carter.

Now with extra feisty!

by spants on Jan 15, 2010 1:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Kiddin' me?! That glass cane was most definitely a weapon.

Think of the damage you could do! Lacerations out the wazoo.

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by vexedtechie on Jan 15, 2010 1:12 AM EST up reply actions  

technicality

he didn’t engage in any actual combat, but he was pretty scary regardless….

by nota bene on Jan 15, 2010 2:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Iron Man, I think

I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...

by mojowo11 on Jan 15, 2010 1:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Jurassic Park?

Die Hard 3? Unbreakable

"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is ALBERT when I lay my vengeance upon thee." -The Bible

by Cardinals645 on Jan 15, 2010 1:14 AM EST up reply actions  

i'm pretty sure he has a gun at one point in die hard 3

he doesn’t know to take the safety off, so he can’t fire it, IIRC.

RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!

by Felonius_Monk on Jan 15, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

He smoked cigarettes in JP

Have you ever had someone put out their cig butt on you skin? Shit burns!

You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?

by jd is legend on Jan 15, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

hmmm..

Romancing the Stone..
Clerks…
Caddyshack…

by Evilfrog on Jan 15, 2010 9:25 AM EST up reply actions  

well looks like everyone went to bed

probably outta mosey on down that path too

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 15, 2010 2:35 AM EST reply actions  

gdm's gone now, everybody

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 15, 2010 3:02 AM EST reply actions  

Did I miss anything good?

I saw there were a large number of comments and decided to skip reading them all.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 15, 2010 3:09 AM EST up reply actions  

hang on a sec

I think there was an actual bacon line todaynight.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 15, 2010 3:14 AM EST up reply actions  

lessee

you can read from the top, there’s good stuff like super saiyan tony and what carp is really saying to boggs. probably some dingers. …wick. read all the green, it’s pretty good.
spants is taking a trip! which is pretty interesting until cody gets spants’d. oh never mind, that’s pretty interesting, but around then it runs off the rails.
baseball resumes
incomplete list: Jack Clark shot, Jimmy Edmonds interview link, VEP says something about fangraphs, actual baseball, what up with that, until the wine

not my best work. hmm.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 15, 2010 3:25 AM EST up reply actions  

in fact I forgot to say I sum up.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 15, 2010 3:26 AM EST up reply actions  

couple more guidepost things

to break up that block up top
Jason Motte, PJ Walters, Brendan Ryan

Rick Ankiel, Aaron Miles, Felipe Lopez, guys named Brandon, Dayton Moore

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 15, 2010 3:33 AM EST up reply actions  

and Ryan Ludwick!

geez, I’m trying to talk him up and I forget him in the link.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 15, 2010 3:35 AM EST up reply actions  

You must either have

severe insomnia or absolutely nothing to do with your time. I can’t believe you went through all this work.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 15, 2010 3:36 AM EST up reply actions  

well i can't sleep

and it looks like i’m fucking useless around here

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 15, 2010 3:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Being up this late is what all the cool kids are doing

well that and smoking.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 15, 2010 3:51 AM EST up reply actions  

i only smoke cigars, and it's too damn cold outside to light one up

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 15, 2010 3:54 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm more of a pipe man myself

granted I smoke it like 3 times a year cause that’s all I really have the patience for…

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 15, 2010 3:55 AM EST up reply actions  

how come i'm picturing bob kelso hitting on elliott in season one right now?

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 15, 2010 4:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I have no clue

I have to catch up on old Scrubs after I catch up on old Nip/Tuck. But yeah a pipe is a pain in the ass to keep lit. And since I only really like to smoke when I drink it doesn’t get used that much since Illinois in it’s infinite wisdom outlawed smoking in bars… jerks. I’m sure if I smoked it more my technique would get much better.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 15, 2010 4:04 AM EST up reply actions  

"Up yours, bobo"

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jan 17, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

well timestamp says

it only took me 15 minutes
that’s like one-and-a-half Carp innings

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 15, 2010 4:15 AM EST up reply actions  

don't quote me. that's math.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 15, 2010 4:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Still a very impressive effort

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 15, 2010 4:19 AM EST up reply actions  

thank you

i hope to train someone in the dark art of linking before the year is out

or holliday’s contract runs out

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 15, 2010 4:21 AM EST up reply actions  

I have always wondered how you link to specific comments

And since I’m not really bringing anything to the table with stats stuff I could be your lieutenant on that front.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 15, 2010 4:24 AM EST up reply actions  

works on most blogging sites

right-click on the time/date, and copy link location. that link – with the # thing – will jump to any part of a page.

btw the dark side doesn’t have lieutenants. only potential rivals. salary cap and all.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 15, 2010 4:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Well hot dog...

Now the key is to remember this tomorrow nite… when I can use the knowledge to take over the world.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 15, 2010 4:33 AM EST up reply actions  

also fairly new --

I decided to mark those page summaries with “I sum up” for easier searching.

hopefully less likely to be used for any other reason. it’s like how we can’t find any news on Colby Rasmus for months and months, except opposite.

don’t forget the hovercars.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 15, 2010 4:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Your posts are getting

exceedingly random…

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 15, 2010 4:39 AM EST up reply actions  

it'll all make sense in the morning

or, daylight.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 15, 2010 4:41 AM EST up reply actions  

I'll take your word for it.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 15, 2010 4:43 AM EST up reply actions  

you know it really does

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 15, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

this place still hopping?

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

Resident malcontented betamale

by slu on Jan 15, 2010 4:18 AM EST reply actions  

no, we thought gdm was gone

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 15, 2010 4:20 AM EST up reply actions  

so what you're saying is gdm is where the party at?

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

Resident malcontented betamale

by slu on Jan 15, 2010 4:21 AM EST up reply actions  

the party starts when gdm leaves

but he came back, so I guess I’m going to bed

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 15, 2010 4:22 AM EST up reply actions  

well good night

the only thing i really had to comment on was the ongoing awesomeness that is “The Jersey Shore.”

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

Resident malcontented betamale

by slu on Jan 15, 2010 4:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I need to wait for them to post it online...

But I can only assume amazing happened tonite.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 15, 2010 4:25 AM EST up reply actions  

words cannot describe

no other show has ever caused me to throw celebratory fist pumps in the air and yet i find myself doing it repeatedly when i watch the jersey shore.

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

Resident malcontented betamale

by slu on Jan 15, 2010 4:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I can't watch the show continuously.

I’m afraid my brain will either explode or atrophy if I sit thorough an entire show at once.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 15, 2010 4:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Did you see the Atlantic City episode?

OMG. It was hilarious.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 15, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

the situation is, without a doubt, the biggest douche bag of all time

OF ALL TIME

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

Resident malcontented betamale

by slu on Jan 15, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

That is a tough crown to obtain.

"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson

by ducttape16 on Jan 17, 2010 12:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Not for him.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Jan 17, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

oh wait, I remembered what I was going to comment

the League Minimum post needs one moar rec

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 15, 2010 4:25 AM EST up reply actions  

done

I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.

Resident malcontented betamale

by slu on Jan 15, 2010 4:40 AM EST up reply actions  

words hurt you know

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 15, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

picture's worth a thousand words

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Jan 16, 2010 2:38 AM EST up reply actions  

....

Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.

by gdm426 on Jan 16, 2010 2:59 AM EST up reply actions  

instantrimshot.com?

In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)

by Taskmaster on Jan 17, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Hitting Advice

“Direct line to the pitch. Consistent swing mechanics (even when there is no intent to swing at, say, a ball out of the strike zone). And, especially with Ryan, keeping the forearm and bat in a right angle longer and through the ball.”

Direct line to the pitch is questionable advice. If it’s followed, you can end up with Joe Thurston’s swing.

Consistency and maintaining the hinge angle is good advice.

by thepainguy on Jan 15, 2010 9:09 PM EST reply actions  

i

dont care whatsoever if mcgwire used steroids. he is going to be a great coach

by thecdude on Jan 20, 2010 12:11 PM EST reply actions  

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