Mark McGwire Admits to Steroid Use
by azruavatar on Jan 11, 2010 3:14 PM EST
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From McGwire's official statement:
"I'm grateful to the Cardinals for bringing me back to baseball. I want to say thank you to Cardinals owner Mr. DeWitt, to my GM, John Mozeliak, and to my manager, Tony La Russa. I can't wait to put the uniform on again and to be back on the field in front of the great fans in Saint Louis. I've always appreciated their support and I intend to earn it again, this time as hitting coach. I'm going to pour myself into this job and do everything I can to help the Cardinals hitters become the best players for years to come.
"After all this time, I want to come clean. I was not in a position to do that five years ago in my Congressional testimony, but now I feel an obligation to discuss this and to answer questions about it. I'll do that, and then I just want to help my team."
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so sad.
1998 was such a great season and such a great memory. you knew it was coming but it still sucks.
'98 is the reason I follow baseball so closely.
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me too
I wouldn’t be a sports fan at all if it wasn’t for ’98 cardinals and ’99 rams.
now sports rule my life…
"Them Cubbies can kiss my ass" -Dizzy Dean
98 is part of the reason I'm a Cards fan
and I knew this was gonna happen sometime, even though it’s gonna hurt. Now, all it proves is that 98 was a fluke. Not only that, but Big Mac’s records aren’t legit and he has lost his shot at the Hall. Heck, I’d go as far as to say that the Big Mac Land sign should no longer exist.
I’m disappointed like everyone here, but we all knew it was going to happen, we just didn’t know when. I will respect him again (as I’ve said before that I lost all my respect for him after 05), but it won’t be the same. We won’t have Big Mac to talk about when it comes to the history books, and he may not be considered the hero in STL that he once was.
I’ll be waiting for Barry Bonds to admit now. I can’t wait for it.
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Big Mac Land stays. Forever.
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by vexedtechie on Jan 11, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I AM OUTRAGED
we don’t get burgers. heck, Albert didn’t get a burger.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Would you eat a burger call the Pujols?
by rencelas on Jan 11, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If it meant he would be on my team, I'd eat an actual Hickory Smoked horse butthole.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 11, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What about Honey horse butthole?
I hear that’s the way to go if you’re in the marker for horse butthole.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Only if there are almonds.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 11, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
it would probably be named the Dee Dee.
she’s the culinary genius in the family.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
agreed.. when I tell my kids where i was during game 7 nlcs when i saw the retired #15 make the game saving diving catch in CF,
I don’t want them to say…‘wait dad, you were at McDonald’s?
You mean B G MAC LAND?
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 11, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I'm still very angry
they fixed the I…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
+I
though given the introspective activities of the last day, maybe there’s something meta about it. or for some kind of maudlin baseball nonfiction.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I still loved that season
minus the Brantley blown saves of course.
When I think about the 1998 season (where I attended Big Mac’s 3-HR Opening day), my fondness for it doesn’t change a bit when factoring in the fact that he was using steroids. I don’t feel “cheated” or “lied to” as I’m sure Brian Burwell will say in rambling article tomorrow.
"But as the leadoff guy that inning, my job is to get on base and let guys drive me in." - Albert Pujols 8/20/09, base-clogger.
by lightbulb on Jan 11, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
he was also robbed of a dinger up in milwaukee
it hit right over the fence & bounced back in & the umps called it a double when the replay showed it clearly went over. so he actually hit 71 dingers in 98, not 70
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Same here
still this doesn’t change anything for me. I was attracted to the game by the bright shiny home runs… then realized what a great game it was without the dingers and have been hooked ever since.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
by ducttape16 on Jan 11, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Really?
I was over it years ago. Personally, I’m glad he’s finally out of the denial.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
is it?
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
In other shocking news:
It’s cold out.
by Bernard Gilkey's Springfield Cardinals on Jan 11, 2010 3:17 PM EST reply actions
I'm not surprised by it
but 1998 was very formative in my appreciation of baseball. As much as I discount the human element of the game, there’s still the small child part of me that’s sad. I’m not sad because he used them; I’m sad because of what it does to is reputation and HR record.
Think; It's not illegal yet.
I think it can only improve his rep
He’s been a pariah since March 17, 2005. Now there will be a tsunami of forgiveness heading his way, including from myself.
by Bernard Gilkey's Springfield Cardinals on Jan 11, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
Eh
The national media will eat this up. He may not have another press conference for another five years.
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 11, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know, everyone seemed to forgive Andy Pettite pretty quickly.
No one ever discusses it anymore.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
but he only did it once, accidentally. right?
if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus
the needle was inside a piece of halloween candy
little did he know the urban legend was actually true
by DanUpBaby on Jan 11, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
. . . and he never trick or treated at roger clemens' house again.
btw, roger said it never happened, andy is a dirty liar was confused, and anyway his wife probably put it inside that tootsie roll.
if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus
by tom s. on Jan 11, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Andy wasn't confused, he just misremembered
"Haywood leads the league in all offensive categories, including nose hair. When this guy sneezes, he looks like a party favor." - Harry Doyle
by Futility Infielder on Jan 11, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
His was a quick admission
I think the negative pub Mac got from the debacle on Capital (Capitol?) Hill outweighs any potential positive implications this admission could have.
This admission hurts more than I expected it to. I was having a fantastic Monday up until.
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 11, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
Capitol
I guess it is equatable to having a girlfriend/significant other admit to cheating on you: while you could have doubts, find e-mails, look at phone records, it doesn’t truly hurt until the person finally admits it.
Then again, I have zero feelings on him admitting his use, so I can’t really empathize with everyone… sorry :/
Wow.
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 11, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
Well then
Don’t I feel like an ass. Was unaware of that piece, came to it independently. Sorry for stepping on your toes, as yours was clearly better written, heh.
Nah.
Don’t feel bad. If anything, I should be THANKING you, as it gave me a chance to link to my work, which, as a raging narcissist, is really all I’m looking for out of life.
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 11, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
not really
i tend to find myself more strongly attached to significant others than events that happed half my lifetime ago
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Pettite and AROID were forgiven quickly because they're Yankees...
They win, they’re winners, they’re media darlings, they can do whatever they want and not have to suffer the consequences. If Derek Jeter clubbed a baby seal on earth day while wearing a mink coat and crocodile skin boots while burning tires on an iceberg, the reaction would be “Its OK Derek, you’re a Yankee.” But if anyone else like Bonds, McGwire, Palmeiro or Sammy Sosa come out and admit steroid use the reaction is likely to be “Oh how dare they, how can they disgrace the game like that! Banish them! Banish them!”
I’m sick of this double standard New York favoritism bullshit in sports today. Eli Manning is an average quarterback that would get ZERO recognition outside of New York, but he plays there so hes the greatest EVAR. The Mets are consistently overrated by the WWL. Its sickening, and perhaps thats what drives me to religiously wish failure upon all of their teams.
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 11, 2010 7:21 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Rec'd
If Derek Jeter clubbed a baby seal on earth day while wearing a mink coat and crocodile skin boots while burning tires on an iceberg, the reaction would be "Its OK Derek, you’re a Yankee."
For the best hyperbole I’ve seen all day, lol
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Eh
Eli would get some recognition, particularly whenever his team played the Colts (Manning brothers angle)
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 11, 2010 8:00 PM EST up reply actions
True
but not recognition about being a great quarterback…maybe he would actually take some heat from New York reporters about throwing a crybaby fit about not wanting to play for San Diego
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 11, 2010 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
Mac won't be forgiven
easily for a while, maybe never. A lot of people looked up to him, and some people (like me) are a Cards fan in part b/c of him. We all knew this day was going to come, we just didn’t know when.
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this is exactly how i feel
i was 8 at the time this was going on and this is the very reason i fell in love with baseball and the cardinals.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 11, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
When I was 8
all of my baseball heros were doing coke, greenies, or were functioning alcoholics.
by Mister Eff on Jan 11, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
but you were born an Eff.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
god you're old
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 11, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
i'm older than him & have the same heros
people need to get over this crap. no one is perfect & people do shit to get over on everyone. this faux outrage & anger over this stuff is repulsive.
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Your comment
made me think of this.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Barkley knows
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
That's my ear too
Look what it did to us?!?!?!
"I learned a long time ago if you keep checking your stats all year, you're going to end up in the toilet." - Chris Carpenter, 2009.
Correction: era
Look what it did to us?!?!?!?!?
"I learned a long time ago if you keep checking your stats all year, you're going to end up in the toilet." - Chris Carpenter, 2009.
When
were you 8? Tim Raines was sliding into 2nd base for the expos eons ago with a vial of coke in his back pocket, using it between innings. He is also on the ballot. That same team had one of the best outfields at that time, the Hawk, Warren Cromaritie, and Ellis Valentine. Now Ellis was one of the wasted talents I saw, for whatever reasons…. Oh well. And so it goes. To be a fan, or not, that is the question. Maybe could be the subject of a one act VEB play.
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Jan 11, 2010 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
I miss the Expos :(
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 11, 2010 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
second best caps EVAR!
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jan 11, 2010 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
I was living
in Montreal during their best seasons in the 70’s, including the split season when they got robbed. It was great seeing them play Willie Stargell and the damn Pirates, who robbed them.
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Jan 12, 2010 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
I dunno
1994 was going to be a pretty awesome season for them, until the strike.
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 12, 2010 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
Well luckily the Pirates
have turned into Montreal 2.0 if only for the Cubs…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
I don't think the home run race made me fall in love with baseball.
Maybe that’s why I am not really that sad. I don’t really know what made me fall in love with baseball.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
joe mauer
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 11, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
I was going to say Farnando Tatis.
Or just going to Busch Stadium. I’ve loved baseball since before I can remember.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Tight pants?
see through white uniforms?
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
by fourstick on Jan 11, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I was 6 at the time
and it was part of the reason I’m a Cards fan today. I have a Mark McGwire trading card somewhere in my room, probably buried. I’m going to toss it out soon, even though I should have long ago.
Best moment I've ever seen at a Cards game in person
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Whoa
You were born in the 90’s? That is just hard for me to wrap my head around. You must be the smartest fan your age by virtue of having found this place.
"I learned a long time ago if you keep checking your stats all year, you're going to end up in the toilet." - Chris Carpenter, 2009.
Yes, 1992
Had my 18th birthday last Saturday. I know my way around the Internets.
Best moment I've ever seen at a Cards game in person
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You are my baby brother's age!
He would kill kill me for calling him my baby brother.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Heh. I'm an only child.
Really, a surviving identical twin, but either way… you get the point.
Best moment I've ever seen at a Cards game in person
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The Dark Half
Did you have baby teeth taken out of your shoulder?
If you don’t know what I’m talking about, you’re not alone, but it would be easier if you linked here.
I was reading about how countless species are being pushed toward extinction by man's destruction of forests. Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - Calvin, Scientific Progress Goes "Boink", Watterson
That was the year I graduated from high school
Happy Belated Birthday! You can now participate in our democracy….even if your choices generally suck.
"I learned a long time ago if you keep checking your stats all year, you're going to end up in the toilet." - Chris Carpenter, 2009.
Thanks
although, without getting into it, I’m not a big fan of our government – no matter who runs for Prez
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by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 11, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
89 was an awesome year
probably my favorite year of the 80’s
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
no, lots of good things happened to me
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
yeah!
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Youngster...
87
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These kids nowadays know...
the internets like you knew the side streets of Kirkwood. It’s where they live.
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
1990!
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 11, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
I'm 12 and I don't know what this is.
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woo 1990
being twenty in a month and a few days is gonna feel weird.
Some people have their own bowling ball and their own bowling shoes and no friends.
You must be the change you wish to see in the world.
Me too.
I was born in 1987 and my dad bought a box of MLB cards.
"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is ALBERT when I lay my vengeance upon thee." -The Bible
by Cardinals645 on Jan 11, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
I was born in '80, and was always an A's and McGwire fan.
Second to the Cardinals, of course.
Now with extra feisty!
77 in the hizzie
loved the A’s back in the day too
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
uh oh
the big 3 – 0 this year?
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
no, I turned much older than 29 in December
/cries
//still crying that my sources were wrong about the dual APu/Lego signing
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
why do you tell everyone you're the older bro?
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Man, I'm feeling older and older the more I read.
and I’m not that old!
Albertofstan.
F* Yeah!
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Jan 11, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
I turned 29 in July.
And the spectre of 30 is seriously beginning to freak me out. I never thought I would be one of those people, but god help me, it appears I most definitely am.
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 11, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
I have my high school reunion coming up on me
That is haunting for me
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 11, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
I skipped mine.
No desire to see those people.
Now with extra feisty!
by spants on Jan 11, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I have no real desire to see most of the people
Some of the people would be nice to see, I guess.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 11, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
just the ones who didn't friend you on FB?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
No, it is the people that did friend me on FB that I most like to avoid
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 11, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
right, so anyone who didn't friend you on fb
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I'm haunted about this, as well.
In June. Still deciding whether to go.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
my advise, don't
nothing good can come from reunions
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
that's encouraging.
I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone say that about a 10-year reunion. I think I’ll go just because I turned out pretty good and that’s probably contrary to what most people expected.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
i'll never go to any reunion
it’s not just because i’m an epic fail at life like they all knew i’d be. it’s just i had many close friends that wanted nothing to do with me soon after high school was over. so f them
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
do they know the truth?
you could hire some actor to say he’s you and tell them you’re a secret service agent for the president. they will instantly be impressed.
I am the Batman
yeah, every one knows where i am
and what i’ve done & not done. i went to a small private school & there were only 24 people in my class
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
yikes
that would be a fairly boring reunion. i wouldn’t go either.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
there's really no need, we all know
what everyone’s done or is doing. and we don’t need facebook to do it
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
We had a few hundred people in my class
I have forgotten so many names. I always run into someone that remembers me but I don’t have a clue who they are.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 11, 2010 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
i really wish i had gone to a public school
for that reason alone, and for better sports programs. our school was nothing but soccer & hard classes
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
I turned 20 in August and the prospect of 21 is really beginning to freak me out.
In a good way of course.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Clemson goes crazy and has a wine cooler
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 11, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
No no.
I’m going out. I’ll just go out to dinner beforehand and eat a lot. Then bring snacks and like three water bottles with me.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
snacks & water?
yeah, those will stay in the car
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Those will stay in my oversized purse.
I will not get drunk and then taken advantage of by some sketch guy in downtown Clemson.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Taken advantage of by a sketch guy?
You mean, like with an unflattering caricature or something?
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 11, 2010 5:15 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Sketchy if you must but sketch is what we say down here in Clemsonland.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
it's what the kids say, rb.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
good luck with alllllllll that
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
I am very committed to this.
If my friends try to change this I might punch them in the face. Or just make sure they get drunk because then they won’t really notice.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
It will be the shots that will getcha ya
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 11, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
Acid Rain
is what I gave my roommate/friend on his 21st, which is similar to a prairie fire, except with 151 (I think).
Starry Nights are quite tasty.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
flaming dr. pepper, blow job, and four horsemen are all a must
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
PGA and PGA
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 11, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
so on my buddies 21 st
he lined up 10 shots and was like “let’s get this night started right!” he proceeded to down all 10 in succession. he then started to mingle (it was a house party) taking a few more shots with anyone who wanted to…..about an hour later he goes into the bathroom. after about 10 minutes i wonder what’s going on and knock on the door to no response. i finally jiggle it open only to find my friend passed out, chin hanging on the toilet seat, pants at his ankles, straddling the toilet in the fetal position. i hate myself to this day for not getting a picture.
also, we never figured out why his pants were off
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
His pants were off
because sometimes, it just feels soooo good to take your pants off when you’re drunk. It’s really weird, but I’m being serious. Sometimes when you’re drinking, you’ve just got to get these damned clothes off.
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 11, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
you have to be drunk for that?
sometimes I go to the bathroom just so I can have an excuse to take my pants off
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
On my 21st
I went and saw the greatest concert ever (Nine Inch Nails “Lights in the Sky” tour) at the Scottrade and then went and got blasted in some trashy bar on the Landing. It was a great night.
I didn’t know where to put this, so I replied to a random post in this sub-thread.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
this is the second NIN reference in this post
weird
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I've been listening to NIN remixes on the NIN iPhone app most of the morning
I’m a total NIN junkie, really. I hope that the Year Zero TV series pans out…
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
Just drink water, about the same amount as the alcohol you drink.
Eat, but don’t eat too much.
Now with extra feisty!
That's what they told us at GAMMA.
Greeks against the misuse and something else with an m of alcohol.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
ill i ask is that you tape this
because i think you’ll be shocked at what really goes down
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Then, one day,
she’s the one in that Oscar cartoon below, just trying to scrape together enough to get a Lynchburg Lemonade. (Please tell me they still make those, and I’m not showing my age even further by referencing a girly drink that no longer exists.)
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 11, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
Sigh.
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 11, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
You can not begin to imagine my hatred for you.
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 11, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
at some point the dynamic of getting older changes
by El Hombre 05 on Jan 11, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
Truth.
When I was at Humphrey’s reliving memories with friends, hitting on a girl and then finding out I was 5 years older than her and everyone else at the place, I became extremely melancholy.
26 the day after the superbowl this year
don’t think I’ll be going to work…
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Well that's encouraging.
I’ve always heard 21 is the end so I was excited and sad at the same time. Now I’ve got like 5 more years.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
You'll miss out on a lot of fun
in your 20s if you’re all worried about how old you are. I will say that 19-24 is probably the peak age for female hotness, at least in terms of male attention. Keep that in mind.
Now with extra feisty!
males that are douchebags that is
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
I have never cared about getting older.
I don’t see that changing anytime soon.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Not to sound cliched,
but I think that’s entirely in your own mind, the point at which you’re no longer okay with aging. I tried to kill myself two days before my twentieth birthday because somewhere in my mind I had never wanted to live that long. Then, it never bothered me again through my 20s. Until I turned 29, that is, and realised death is hurtling toward me at a ridiculous pace.
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 11, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
Actually, I believe that
was probably my last suicide attempt. I considered a bit here and there in the first couple weeks after Angie died, but never acted on it.
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 11, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
yes
Often times I think about my twin brother who died before I was born, and at times I’ve felt very depressed & alone. Considered suicide, but not seriously.
Best moment I've ever seen at a Cards game in person
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I don't think I could ever kill myself
I would at least try to rob a bank or something. Something with some upside if it works out.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 11, 2010 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
I couldn't cut or shoot myself
I’d be worried it would hurt too much. I’m kind of a puss sometimes.
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 11, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
true dat hommie
i’ve been through a lot of shit in my time & never has the thought crossed my mind. i really feel bad for people like rb because i still struggle with depression & i know how bad i feel. and they feel so much worse, i can’t imagine how much they are hurting.
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
I wasn't okay with death when I was... hm, seven or nine.
now that i’m in my thirties, it’s remarkably liberating.
also, I do have my health, and some in my peer group don’t. (though I do hang out with some strange people.)
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I had no idea I was that far on the downhill side.
But I guess that would explain the slide the last 10 years.
Albertofstan.
F* Yeah!
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Jan 11, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
Nah
Every birthday after 21 has been worse for me, as far as not wanting to get older. It may be worse turning 26 in a few months, though
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 11, 2010 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
so young, so very young
if i knew now what i didn’t know then, HFS®. i wouldn’t be here that’s for damn sure
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
21 was awesome
Instead of celebrating actual birthdays, I’ve been celebrating the anniversary of my 21st birthday for 5 years now.
4 more months until 21
i think my plan will be
make money at the casino
use money at the bar
make money at the casino
use money at the bar
and basically make that my whole summer….
(alternatively i go broke the first time i go to the casino and spend summer eating microwavable french toast sticks)
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
30 is awesome
because you realize when you get there that nothing is different and basically you’re still young but not dumb anymore
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 11, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
The one thing I have learned in getting older is
To keep my mouth shut. I don’t let my mouth slip and say something mean about someone else. Now I just stick to vulgarity and self deprecating witty one liners.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 11, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
some of us will always be dumb, no matter what
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
No doubt
Hit 35 this year and with the exception of a growing gut, not much has changed. This from a guy who lived very hard in my 20’s.
"I learned a long time ago if you keep checking your stats all year, you're going to end up in the toilet." - Chris Carpenter, 2009.
yeah, my 20s were akin to nuclear fallout disaster
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 11, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
Mine were akin to a chemistry experiment
Thankfully it all turned out ok. And my kids are not mutants.
"I learned a long time ago if you keep checking your stats all year, you're going to end up in the toilet." - Chris Carpenter, 2009.
sorry to break it to you, but there's a maturation period before the metamorphosis
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Well hopefully
They will have superpowers.
"I learned a long time ago if you keep checking your stats all year, you're going to end up in the toilet." - Chris Carpenter, 2009.
when they take over the world
make sure you let them know to leave us VEB’ers alone. we are pro mutants
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
not mutants...
yet (I keed I keed)
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 11, 2010 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
Did you know...
that Alexander the Great conquered the Known world by the age of 30? What have you done?
/been through this
* is an Asshat
yeah, but when did he die?
proportionately that’s like… 50 for us.
(no, I’m not doin the effin math)
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
If Mongols are chasing you
Twinkies have been known to stop Genghis Khan, maybe it’ll work on the rest of them.
we'll just build a wall too
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Good, I've still got about 15 years then.
/gets back to work on plan to conquer the known plan
Albertofstan.
F* Yeah!
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Jan 11, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
29 was the worst birthday ever
it’s like for a whole freakin’ year you could see your youth slipping away one day at a freakin’ time.
so sad. so very, very sad.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Agreed
There seems to be alot of angst about getting older from people who are still very young.
"I learned a long time ago if you keep checking your stats all year, you're going to end up in the toilet." - Chris Carpenter, 2009.
but if
we fight it hard enough it won’t happen right?
by El Hombre 05 on Jan 11, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
That's the point
There is nothing to be gained from fighting it.
"I learned a long time ago if you keep checking your stats all year, you're going to end up in the toilet." - Chris Carpenter, 2009.
30 was the best birthday ever
but I’m not allowed to talk about that kinda stuff on VEB
29 sucks, 30 Rock(s)
ha ha, see what I did there?
Really though, it is amazing the I had the extreme of emotions in that one calendar year
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
bdays have always been hell for me
i won’t get into it too much, but it started when i was 2 & my parents threw me a party. i guess i was a little bastard(shocking right?) and they swore they’d never do anything for my bday ever again. they kind of kept their word, they never did do anything nice for me & ever since i’ve tried to just avoid even bringing them up
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
I will also turn 30 in July
You’re like my brother from another mother
Testicle-exploding shit storms, to date: T.E.S.S '08, T.E.S.S '09
by dan on Jan 11, 2010 8:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Dude
I saw a license plate today that read “TESS 3” and I took that as a sign from above that we would be witness to another testicle-exploding shit storm this season
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 11, 2010 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
oh joy
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
you're a capricorn, right?
or sag? I turned 34, where did the time go
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 11, 2010 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
I'm a Sagittarius.
My husband is a Capricorn. A match made in horoscope hell.
Now with extra feisty!
heh
my brother is sagitarrian. I somehow end up hanging out with other caps and scorpios mainly
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 11, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
Taurus
Strong like bull
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 11, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
HORRAY FOR TAURUS!
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 11, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
This site is populated
by youngsters. Spants is old in the crowd, and I am a 1951 grad? Still young at heart, and I know what it means!
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Jan 11, 2010 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
even i need to get the f off your lawn
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
even I need to get the eff off his lawn
so katmandubird, who was your favorite ballplayer rowing up?
just a hint; don’t call spants old, she has a knife, and vast knowledge of where the intertubes go
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jan 11, 2010 11:48 PM EST up reply actions
I warn all VEB'ers
I don’t trust you, I really don’t
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jan 11, 2010 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
don't tell her that!
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
I've learned through my vast experience to refer to women as advance in age
it is one hell of a life-saver unless someone catches on.
I am the Batman
well your wrong
women don’t age pasted 21. that’s a fact jack
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
that's the only thing i know dude
the only damn thing i know
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Stan the Man
but later I loved our infield of Ken Boyer, Julian Javier Dick Groat, and Orlando Cepada, not to mention Bill White, and OF with Curt Flood, and many starters. 1960 Solly Hemus, manager. Sorry, Dal Spencer was SS, Stan, Curt, and Joe Cunningham OF, with Hal Smith and Carl Sawatski C. That year our rotation was this: Larry Jackson 18-13, Ray Sadecki 9-9, Curt Simmons 7-4. Ernie Broglio 21-9 (remember him?). A youthful Bob Gibson was 3-6, and Vinvegar Bend Mizell was still on the team. Are there still nicknames like that?
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Jan 12, 2010 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
Vinegar Bend Mizell
Vinegar Bend was a friend of my father, so I had many autographed baseballs, programs, etc from the Cardinals of the late Musial era. Mizell was traded early in 1960 to the Pirates in a deal that brought Julian Javier to the Cards; Mizell was on the 1960 World Series winning Pirates
My favorite Cardinals year was 1964, when Lou Brock ignited a wonderful pennant race.
I gotta remember who the pitcher from that era was
that my dad has either rational or irrational hatred towards.
I’ll get back to you on this.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
1951 grad?
my you’re older than my grandmother, and I thought she was old.MUCHO RESPECTO SENOR
I am the Batman
My mom wasn't even born in 1951
Glad to have your perspective on VEB!!
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 11, 2010 11:48 PM EST up reply actions
mine was born in '42
in case you were wondering
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 12, 2010 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
what was life like
prior to running water?
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Jan 11, 2010 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
It was pretty
bad having your piss freeze on you in the outhouse, and having to chop the ice of the well when it froze up to get water.
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Jan 12, 2010 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
that's my only disappointment, really
where was this when we were kids?
(not including you on the lawn! hey!)
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I think I may just pitch a tent on this lawn.
It’s so nice. It’s either this or the concrete outside of Littlejohn waiting for UNC tickets (which I can’t go to anyway).
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
someone has attack-cats.
watch out for them.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
how many do you have, again?
everyone was posting the jpgs all at once
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
ahhh that's why I'm confused
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
You're so lucky
I can’t go anywhere with that pitching a tent comment… Damn you and your female ways.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
this was the only realistic resolution
even if he hadn’t used at all, there would be no way for that story to come out in a believable way. Personally, I’m just glad it’s out there now, and it doesn’t really change my opinion of him or that season either way.
by brackenthebox on Jan 11, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
At least he's finally talking about it.
Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.
BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
Perhaps this is the kick in the ass Sosa needs to come clean too. It's sad for baseball that it's taken this long.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 11, 2010 3:22 PM EST reply actions
I Bet Someone...
…demands that the HR record is set back to Maris’ 61 (with an asterix, of course), and that the numbers Sosa, Mac, and Giant Bobblehead (I mean Barry Bonds) get stricken from the records. not sure cow I feel about that…
:=8/
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
I don't really give 2 shits about the home-run record.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 11, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Giving 3 shits could kill a man!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 11, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
I'm a Cow..
…with 4 stomaches I cud easily give 4 and not bat an eye…
;=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Jan 11, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't either...
now and that’s a major problem. That record made every baseball season a little more exciting.
I don’t think Bud should single any one out, but the home run records of McGwire, Sosa and Bonds should be wiped out just so we can get excited about some guy having 25 home runs on June 1 like we used to.
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
Using exactly what logic?
Has McGwire admitted to anything that was against baseball’s rules at the time?
For that matter, Bonds hasn’t admitted to steroids, so on what grounds are you going to take away his record? The “testimony” of an “acquaintance” who had motive to lie to the investigators?
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 11, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
How about
the excessive documentation of his usage cycles from the records obtained in the raid at BALCO, that also correspond with said evidence compiled in the grand jury testimony? That’s all just smoke?
FWIW, the Feds don’t just indict every Tom, Dick, and Harry for perjury. It’s clear that there is evidence that he knowingly took both the cream and the clear, and he admitted that he took them unknowingly in grand jury testimony. Even if he took them unknowingly, he still took them, and that doesn’t explain why he didn’t ask more questions when his head ballooned 2 hat sized in less than a year.
So, connect the dots — they’re a hell of a lot closer than they were with McGwire prior to today.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Oh, Barry Bonds is guilty as hell. . .
but I’d sure like for someone with a little more credibility than commenters on a message board, or Bud Selig, for that matter, to make a determination based upon a real review of the record, similar to the Dowd Report, before taking a drastic action like changing the baseball record books.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 11, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
or his weight?
Best moment I've ever seen at a Cards game in person
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This will probably happen after his hearing on the indictment
Right now all the evidence is tied up in the court case and not for public review.
If he was smart, he’d make a plea of guilty providing the court records are sealed.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I think it doesn't matter how high the leading number is
if someone looks like they’re on pace to hit 60 we’ll be plenty excited. Nobody’s waiting for people to break Hugh Duffy’s batting average record because within the bounds of the game we have today .400 is ridiculous enough. Now that home runs have fallen off their nineties highs I think the same is or will eventually be true.
I really hate rec'in a Cubs fan's comment
but I did anyway
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
go take a shower in bleach to cleanse thyself
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
I hope Bonds admits
and since 2005, I have considered Maris the record-holder. I will still do so, even though my heart wants me to think that McGwire is.
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If it came out that Maris did speed would you give it to Ruth than?
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 11, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
you have a point
but guys in the 60s didn’t use steroids. If it wasn’t for Jose Canseco, none of this shit would have likely happened.
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But if it was around you don't think they would of taken it?
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 11, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
probably
it’s like a fad. when it’s popular, people will use it.
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canseco
is entirely to blame for all MLB players that used steroids?
or you’re just mad that he made it public knowledge?
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
I'm pissed
that he made a killing outing everyone else after he was caught trying to sell other players steroids.
He’s a stool pigeon.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
You can put some of that blame on the owners and GM's (and Selig)
Canseco got blackballed out of the game while all those guys were doing the exact same thing he had been, only they were getting richer and bigger contracts while he sat on the sidelines and watched. He’s a tool, but there were some valid reason why he sang like a bird about ’roids in the game.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 11, 2010 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
You're right
his inability to play the field or even stay on it over the last three years of his career had nothing to do with why teams didn’t want him. They just blackballed him while continuing to employ other known steroid users to prove a point.
Do you also have thoughts on the Kennedy Assassination and Watergate, specifically, how they might be linked together? That’s essentially what you’re doing here.
Canseco outed everyone to make a profit for himself. So he’s the biggest of all douchebags, imo.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
That's a overly simplistic view, but OK.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 11, 2010 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
Who care who squeeled first
They all knowingly used.
It’s like you are pissed the McGwire has been found out officially.
Canseco was blackballed, he was still a capable DH and was pushed out of the game.
Fine
Then he should split all his book profits with the players that he outed in his book. They made him a fuckload of money, if he had written a book about how he took steroids nobody would have given a shit — name half of the best players in the last half two decades though: instant success!!
It’s like you are pissed the McGwire has been found out officially.
First, he wasn’t “found out”, so let’s get that straight right now. He came out and admitted his transgressions honestly. Second, where have I said that? It’s disappointing, for sure, but I’m not ultimately surprised — what shocks me is the people who’ve been defending him for years and now think that it was all for nothing. That’s upsetting.
Here’s the other thing — he didn’t have to talk about this. He didn’t. Nobody was making him, nobody made him take the coaching job with the Cardinals. It’s not like A-Rod, and Pettitte, and Manny, who happily didn’t give a fuck about it until they were caught red-handed, then issued half truths and halfhearted apologies for their sins. Mac wasn’t caught, ever. He came to this in his own way and made his own admissions on his own terms. He didn’t have to. I think he’s the ONLY one of these bastards who’s been truly contrite and fully honest about it — and then everyone treats him like a pariah. It’s saddening and doesn’t open up a direct line of discussion on the issues — why would anyone come forward when they get treated like this?
I applaud his coming clean and hope it gives him some peace of mind and now maybe we can move one from all this stupid steroid talk. I fully thought that he was in a no win situation with the media, and I’ve pretty much been proven right on that front. Now everyone wants a piece of him. As long as Mac is at peace with it, the story has no legs going into the season, and I truly hope that he’ll be let alone and allowed to do his job.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Ruth played before segragation
Can’t be the record if not everyone was allowed to play …
It’s a silly argument. You can’t change the past because you don’t like it. McGwire was on roids, yes, but he still hit 70 home runs. Bonds did his stuff too.
If you’re gonna take away all the unclean guys, or guys you have issues with — games in the season, segregation, greenies, coke, etc. — the record probably belongs to someone like Tom Pagnozzi.
by averagejoe on Jan 11, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I read that as Matt Pagnozzi for a second
/shutter
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Hot Dogs?
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Flim doesn't see lines
well unless they are white powdery lines
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
by gdm426 on Jan 11, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i actually have a strict no cocaine rule
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 11, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
Really? That's a shame.
It’s a hell of a drug, from what I hear.
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 11, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
When I left for my college the only advice my parents game was
Not to do Cocaine. I figured it they called out one specific drug that I should not do it.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 11, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
My uncle's advice to his kids (my cousins)
If you’re going to try any drugs, make sure it’s not meth
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 11, 2010 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
Meth is awful
I have personally witnessed many of its horrors.
"I learned a long time ago if you keep checking your stats all year, you're going to end up in the toilet." - Chris Carpenter, 2009.
i know, but it was the quickest line joke i could come up with
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
The real key is to just type and think later
Hence why I have so many grammatical errors and witty one liners
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 11, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
i'm eating here, asshole
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
that comma should be a colon.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 12, 2010 7:45 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec for BURN
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 12, 2010 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
Maris' 61
Will be discounted by people who suggest Ruth hit 60 in less games, though. People just can’t agree on these things.
Then again, future technology will allow us to perform back-testing of steroids and other illegal substances, so we’ll be left with “Home Run King” Delino DeShields with his monster 1997 season of 11 HRs.
Sweet!
I have Delino Deshields’ rookie card! The hall will include Delino and Scott Cooper.
by Mulliganstew on Jan 11, 2010 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
This would be cool
We could triple asterisk Bonds record, double asterisk McGwire’s record, and single asterisk Maris’s record and basically pass a rule that no one can break or try to break the real record of 60 or terrible things will befall you.
All those guys must have used one of there three genie wishes on “breaking the Home Run record” and The Bambino put the big curse on them
Just win
TIM KURKJIAN SPEAKS!
i’m too stunned that handegg got interrupted to process what he’s sayin
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
he claims we have 200-300 writers and reporters
ohhhh no, he means the Big Hypothetical Presser
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
The only thing i feel
is relief.
Not relieved that he was on steroids, but that maybe the healing can begin for Mark and for baseball. He’s the first “HR King” player to admit it, which is a huge and much-needed step.
Even as I type this I can feel a new wave of disappointment coming on strong.
defy, cards, defy. hey logic --- you suck.
Five years too late...
But I guess it is good that he finally got it off his chest. I think it was p. much understood that he would have to do this if he ever got back into baseball in some form.
I for one can't look down on a player taking Steroids
I have a hard time shunning a baseball player for doing everything possible to be the best. To me it is as simple as that.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 11, 2010 3:26 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Not defending him.
The rules were different then. Now about those pesky federal drug laws…..
by Zou want a piece? on Jan 11, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
Were you talking about steroids or amphetamines?
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 11, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
I’m pretty sure both were illegal but not against the rules… let me check my pre-1998 MLB bylaws.
by Zou want a piece? on Jan 11, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
Which of course doesn't matter. . .
if provided by a doctor.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Jan 11, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
Moving forward, if it makes for better baseball (and doesn't risk their health),
I wouldn’t care if they all did steroids or HGH or whatever. It makes no difference in my appreciate of the game what “enhancers” they use. I just want McGwire in the hall with a Cardinals hat on.
Think; It's not illegal yet.
i dont think it should go nearly that far
but if it wasnt illegal then, then there’s no reason to condemn him for it. nowadays it’s illegal and anyone doing it should be condemned!
R.P.O.F.Y.M.
baseball players are just civilized and organized gladiators anyway, right?
works for me
Some people have their own bowling ball and their own bowling shoes and no friends.
You must be the change you wish to see in the world.
yeah
i really find it hard to care about guys who juiced. gimme manny, arod, early decade bonds and i’m a happy camper
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
i cant look down down on a player for doing the
same thing i would do if i were in his position.
Mo, you can trade anything of mine.
Even now?
I understand the 1990-2002 dopers – they were operating under a different moral order. Now everyone knows it’s a felony.
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
Depends
a lot of factors have to be considered but i wont give you a resounding “no”
Mo, you can trade anything of mine.
I'd still do them, if I knew I wouldn't get caught ( if I were a MLB'er)
shit, the kind of money to be made by hittin’ lots o’ dingers is still enough to set me up for life, and that is well worth having to put up with sanctimonious crap.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
no doubt, i'd do anything to play in the majors
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
what wouldn't you do if you knew you wouldn't get caught?
Some people have their own bowling ball and their own bowling shoes and no friends.
You must be the change you wish to see in the world.
I would not kill a person
that’s about it
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
again
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
wouldn't kill a person?
I’m a serial killer who kills other serial killers, been there done that. I’m also a crime fighting vigilante.
I am the Batman
so you're saying along with being batman, you're also dexter?
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Murder and rape are both over the line, IMO
Those are the two that come to mind off the top of my head.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
you aint tryin' if you aint cheatin'
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 11, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
ditto and rec
dang thats a lot of recs i’ve given out today. Get them while they’re hot!
Some people have their own bowling ball and their own bowling shoes and no friends.
You must be the change you wish to see in the world.
So it happens
I’m not going to judge Mark McGwire on what he did back then. The standards by which we held players back then have changed and it is not fair to apply these newer expectations to them. It’s like believing that Babe Ruth (or other highly-competitive players) would have never touched steroids had they been available to him.
Bill James wrote something about Watergate not being a matter of witnessing the highest level of corruption in the government, but the improvement of our standards of professional honesty. The same thing applies here – if our current morality was the norm when McGwire was recovering from all of his injuries, things very well could have been different.
I was reading about how countless species are being pushed toward extinction by man's destruction of forests. Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - Calvin, Scientific Progress Goes "Boink", Watterson
Baseball Tonight airing now
Tony will apparently be on
Ravech, Kruk, … Tony Clark?
Ravech uses the term “earth-shattering.” stfu lol.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
heeeere's Tony.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Big Mac told him this morning.
no other warning
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
er, about the presser stuff.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
re: stroke, development, and Albert in the same sentence.
faannntastic.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Tony says A's and Cards programs were all legit.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
talking bout Mark's successive injuries
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I forgot about Tony
Kind of a shaft to him if he didn’t know about it before hand. He officially becomes the spokesman for him.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 11, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
oh sheeeet naw. yes Ravech. you're getting him angry.
you won’t like him when he’s angry.
Tony clarifying about he eventually knew about the whole ped / competitive thing.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
"The one thing he did not do is lie."
- re: Congressional hearings.
segment done. Tony will now go hit something…
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
"We're not idiots here."
- Kruk
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 11, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ironic
Huh?
"I learned a long time ago if you keep checking your stats all year, you're going to end up in the toilet." - Chris Carpenter, 2009.
by indakind on Jan 11, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
deeply!
i had to include it. he was so emphatic.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
TIMMEH!
“I just have to take the era for itself.”
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
"There are cheaters all through the Hall of Fame."
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
busttterrrrrrr
“I think he has no chance of getting in the Hall of Fame.”
he votes for Big Mac.
“He also have to answer for some of his actions in the past.”
how angrily and defensive he was, answering questions; the lecturing of Congress
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
i am not sure what to make of Ravech asking hard-hitting questions.
I have to conclude he’s been rehearsing.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Krukie!
re: using ped’s to come back from injury
“When they make these statements that they worked harder than anyone else […] and they would have come back and make all these home runs — that’s a lie.”
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
there is also some tech behind Kruk with a big head. it's distracting.
not Holliday-distracting, but I don’t know why he can’t sit down.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Good to see this
I think he needs to call a press conference when Spring Training starts…say he’ll answer questions for the next 45 min or so…and then? THAT’S IT… from that moment on it’s about the FUTURE of the Cards and his role in being the Hitting instructore. He will have addmitted it…answered questions on it…and that is that. I wish Mark nothing but the best .
McGwire's Statement
It’s a pretty good press release, actually. He addresses some specifics (years taken, etc.) and apologizes. Looks like he put a lot of thought into it.
defy, cards, defy. hey logic --- you suck.
1998 was awesome
I remember being in the halls of Busch Stadium when Welcome to the Jungle came on and running, with everyone, toward an area where I could see him hit, just in time for 70 to leave the park.
That memory is not different to me at all right now. Maybe it’s because I never wanted to be a baseball player, at least not until it was too late—when I was a little kid I was always The Next Larry Bird in my head, not The Next Mark McGwire. But this admission simply doesn’t ruin anything for me. It’s still one of the great baseball memories of my life.
by DanUpBaby on Jan 11, 2010 3:33 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
very similar take
to that event, that season, and this whole ‘saga’ in general.
Frankly, real, genuine baseball fans realized that steroids were all over that ‘era’ (late 80s-90s, and some oughts), and it doesn’t affect those fans’ affections toward the GAME OF BASEBALL. I’m loyal to Mark, much like I’m loyal to anyone who wore a Cards Jersey, because I’m loyal to the Cards and loyal to Baseball.
I’m glad the ‘media’ will get their time with this…Asshats and No-Talent-Ass-Clowns like Heyman get to write their “See, that’s why I didn’t vote for you” op-eds, Mac will have a presser, and then we get to finally move on.
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Jan 11, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
I think I'm different
Those memories are pretty well replaced with others at this point. I take a much more cynical approach that I did 10+ years ago. It might be just a matter of getting older, but I think that whole era influences it too. It is not that I enjoy the game less than I did, I just enjoy it in a different way. Maybe better….I’m less focused on the individuals and more on the game itself. Honestly, I feel a little stupid for not really seeing it at the time. I was old enough to figure it out then. But I didn’t.
I know there is a certain irony in that coming from a guy who names himself after the star young prospect…and I do like Rasmus’s skillset a lot. The name choice was as much over what I thought was a shift in organizational philosophy as anything. If Rasmus flames out, or embarrasses himself, I’ll be capable of moving along in a way that I wouldn’t if it had been, say, Ray Lankford years ago.
by Merry CRasmus on Jan 11, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
I'd still like to hear more information.
Too often all ‘performance enhancers’ get lumped together as ‘steroids’, when there is a clear medical difference between HGH, which is not a steroid at all, and stanozolol, and androstenedione.
McGwire admitted to the andro use in 1998, and in 2004 it was officially recognized as a steroid by Congress. So, in essence, McGwire can say ‘I used steroids in 1998.’ and it won’t give us any new information, because he already told us that 12 years ago. I’d like to hear more details about what, exactly, he used before we leap to any further conclusions.
"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is ALBERT when I lay my vengeance upon thee." -The Bible
congress defining androstenedione as an anabolic steroid
doesn’t make it so. Much like defining pi to be 3 doesn’t make it true.
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
Too true
My point is just that andro was more or less legit in 1998, and people have wildly simplified the entire issue.
"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is ALBERT when I lay my vengeance upon thee." -The Bible
by Cardinals645 on Jan 11, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
it was legit pass 98
I took the stuff in college.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 11, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
I assume that means you were in college post-'98?
"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is ALBERT when I lay my vengeance upon thee." -The Bible
by Cardinals645 on Jan 11, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
I was 24 in 1998
So I was not as awestruck as some here. I did get caught up in the excitement however. I think it became clear shortly after that season that something was amiss. When Bonds broke the record, again, 3yrs later it had become obvious. I understand McGwire’s reticence to speak before Congress. At that point he would have been the lone voice willing to admit his crimes.
My stance on this era has softened to the point that I think all of the HOF caliber players from this era should be in. They will have to build in some type of interpretive exhibit to show context but there is no longer any doubt in my mind that the MAJORITY of players were using.
"I learned a long time ago if you keep checking your stats all year, you're going to end up in the toilet." - Chris Carpenter, 2009.
I was the same age as you,
and 1998, while I’m not in child like awe of it, was the year that baseball became a part of me. A buddy and I had a hookup on tickets, and we went to about 20 games that year. This really changes nothing for me, and as far as Congressional testimony goes, he was the only one sitting there that wasn’t a liar. Congressmen included.
* is an Asshat
Is it lying if you don't speak the language?
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
+1, sort of
I’m glad I was even older in 1998 – I’d been following baseball religiously for 18 years at that point, and the HR chase has no part of my love for the love of the game. If anything, it was a little irksome to see (although I appreciate it developed a new fan base).
I also had developed an appreciation for McGwire, begrudgingly, as he started to come across as a sincere, thoughtful person capable of introspection (I am thinking of statement’s he’s made about his kid, post-divorce). I was really hoping he’d be the first of the big users from that era to come clean, and not be doing it after someone like Raffy/Bonds/Clemens had paved the way.
I don’t know how I feel about guys from that era being in the HOF. I know I can’t look at some of the freakish, post-35 accomplishments of some of these guys and be very impressed when comparing them to the more normal trajectories of similar guys who went downhill faster.
If Greg Maddux, Tom Seaver, Ryne Sandberg, Ozzie Smith, Cal Ripken, Ken Griffey, and others end up admitting to it, I will be really disappointed. But for now, it’s hard to believe that they were any less good than other guys who had better performance numbers, but with curious late-career spikes. I doubt there’s anything that could convince me that Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens (and probably Randy Johnson, unfortunately) should be considered better all-time players than guys like Seaver, Carlton, Maddux, Griffey, Mays, etc., because the tails of their careers were so unprecedented.
They might end up having to go into the HOF because the whole era is tainted, but I refuse to recognize them as the best of all time if they can only make that claim based on contributions from the bizarre tails to their careers.
Pedro Martinez
Is one I’m really curious. He was so crazy good at his peak, which coincided with juicing, but had a bit of a different skill set, and then aged pretty normally and had to reinvent himself. If he was natural all those years, including “recovery”, then his performance amid the juiceball era is all the more noteworthy. He’s one I wish I knew for sure about.
Good
It’s like learning Hulk Hogan was an actor. I knew it when I was 12 deep down but didn’t like it when people pointed it out. Some of it was real right?
Oh well. A man knows when he has made a mistake and he needs to make amends. it doesn’t make it right but I for one respect Mark McGwire (and he has my worthless vote for the Hall of Fame as well). Good man and good ball player… bad decision….
an actor?
apparently you have never seen ‘No Holds Barred’…
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
I think he means that in the context that professional wrestling isn't "real" and that matches are predetermined
unless you’re fucking over Bret Hart.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
That was a sad day.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
I can't believe
You chose that over Suburban Commando?
by Mulliganstew on Jan 11, 2010 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
The Homer-Chase got me to follow baseball (despite playing little-league)
…but my love for the Cardinals and the Sport developed from the much deeper aspect of the game.
Don’t get me wrong, the long-ball got the general public involved in the sport, but I had my suspicions then and unfortunately they were confirmed today. I’m not really in shell-shock as a result of this, though.
McGwire is the reason I’m a Cards fan, and I thank him for ultimately attracting me to the team, the sport, and (in a stretch) this community. The sport, the obsession, the lifestyle extends far beyond him, though.
Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.
BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
my feelings exactly
i knew he used deep down…but i was still holding out hope he would miraculously be clean and i could say “i told you so”. thought his statement was pretty legit though.
what power hitter wasn’t doing steroids during that era? so Costas gets the interview tonight I hear
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 11, 2010 3:45 PM EST reply actions
mainly I am glad they are getting this over with now
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 11, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
frank thomas has been begging for steroid testing
basically since he came into the league, so he was either clean or very forward-looking, PR-wise.
yeah, I bet he didn't use them
so it kind of makes him the non-asterisk power hitter of that era!
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 11, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
Frankly, the man was an absolute stud and a beast.
I don’t think I hear nearly as much about him as he deserves. To put it in perspective, regardless of steroid use for either, Frank Thomas had a much greater career than Big Mac.
"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is ALBERT when I lay my vengeance upon thee." -The Bible
by Cardinals645 on Jan 11, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
He had the numbers and
he was a dominant force for several years but the guy just didn’t come off as a winner. Teammates didn’t think much of him, and he seemed to be more concerned with his numbers than winning. Lot of talent and will go into the HOF, but I wouldn’t vote for him after watching him play for years.
Just win
if his teammates were as concerned about their numbers
as he was about his, they would have won a lot more games.
How dare someone be obsessed with being the best player they can be?
All those rally-killing HRs and doubles!
Now with extra feisty!
Little known fact:
Frank Thomas engineered the 94 strike so he wouldn’t have to risk getting to the postseason. He didn’t want to tank it, cuz he was in it for the numbers, but he really had better plans for October than trying to get a freakin’ ring.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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i'm looking at you, craig paquette
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jan 11, 2010 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
Hollywood's has his hands all over this for a while now
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
by gdm426 on Jan 11, 2010 9:21 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
behold
the old method of steroid testing.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jan 11, 2010 9:22 PM EST up reply actions 12 recs
Wow.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Jan 11, 2010 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
Jimmy truly was one of the great ambassadors this game has ever seen
the lengths** he went to insure the integrity of the game is downright astounding
* * don’t say it JD! * * *
* * * you either Mister Eff!
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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by mattyfrommo on Jan 11, 2010 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
you forgot about me!
no, no you didn’t. i can’t come up with anything funny to say. all i’ve got are some pics
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
you mean his second marriage
and yes, there were & it’s still joked about. the half shirts didn’t help
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
LA in the 1980s...
It was semi-ok for the time/place.
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
Didn't flippy floppies
also play a staring role?
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
I had a long conversation with an Angels fan about ol' Jimmy Ballgame the other night
Have a date with her on Wednesday!
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 11, 2010 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
this could turn into true love JD
good luck!
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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by mattyfrommo on Jan 11, 2010 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
i'd love to go on a date with a girl who likes baseball
but they don’t exist in my world
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
I know plenty of women that truly like baseball
but I have yet to find one who loves it as much as I do. When that happens, I might actually rethink the whole marriage thing.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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by mattyfrommo on Jan 11, 2010 11:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
naw, it won't change your mind
but its a good idea to float that out there just in case
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
From past experiences
I actually prefer girls that only take a minor interest in sports. Sometimes it’s nice to watch the game by myself, you know?
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 11, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with the last sentence
but I still think it would be something else if someone could actually understand my love for the Birds.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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by mattyfrommo on Jan 12, 2010 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
I just want to say
I’ve yet to find a GUY who loves baseball as much as I do. What is this world coming to?
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
well you've come to the right place
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
isn't that just the way the GOBs are
and quit hitting on me, I will not give up my half-shirts!
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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A highly successful attorney!
A mom’s basement-dwelling half-shirt wearing loser! Watch the shenanigans ensue in CBS’s newest sitcom, [title pending]!
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 12, 2010 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
i'd watch that
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
that's a cheap shot JD, a cheap shot!
I do not live in a basement
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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anymore
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Chicks dig the half-shirts
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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by mattyfrommo on Jan 11, 2010 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sure you're being sarcastic,
but just in case anyone here isn’t clear on that…
NO, no they do NOT.
Flashing back to painful memories of Six Flags in the late 80s. Mullets and half-shirts. Netted half-shirts if the guy was really rad. Shudder.
by peach concrete on Jan 11, 2010 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
well not all women
just the truly awesome ones.
I am off to find a picture of me wearin’ my custom made Cardinals half-shirt
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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by mattyfrommo on Jan 11, 2010 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
you just broke my heart
well you would have if i had one
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
only if he wants to get lucky
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Ooooh good idea!
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 11, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
I know
I’ve had this argument before. The saber-crowd loves him. I watched him play many, many games and as good a talent as he was, he wasn’t a winner. It’s why you need scouts to verify the numbers —they don’t always tell the whole story
Just win
I'm not gonna apologize to the mods, I'm just not gonna do it
How in the fuck do you verify he wasn’t a winner? Are you a scout, or do you just have the ability to to know a winner when you see one, unlike any of the rest of us who watched him play many, many games.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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It's Francis, thank you very much
and i do apologize for the tone, but it seemed like more than your opinion. You seemed to be baiting with the “i’ve had this argument before” and “the saer-crowd loves him”.
I may be mistaken about your intent, but Frank Thomas is probably the only non-Cardinal that irrational slamming will get my panties in a twist over.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
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better yet
define “winner” please
i mean, seriously. the fuck does that even mean?
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
what did he do that did not make him a winner?
was it hitting well? hitting well with runners in scoring position? hitting well in close games? hitting well as a first baseman, as a DH, as someone struggling with severe and debilitating injuries?
He whined. He did that a lot—he did it about steroids testing, about having to move to DH, about wanting to play first base, about his treatment at the hands of an ownership that he felt didn’t respect him. But however many games whining loses—in my experience, having watched petulant athletes do a lot of winning, not a lot—it certainly doesn’t do it as often as hitting .301/.419/.555 in a long career wins them.
I realize this is your opinion, but opinion should be based on something—if not facts an idea, a logically consistent idea. Tell me logically how Frank Thomas hitting .330/.452/.600 before he turned 30 did not help his team win. Explain to me how much of a story there is that those don’t tell, and what the story says—because it would have to be a lot to keep all of those extra runs from helping his team win enough games to make him a walk-over Hall of Famer.
Or he did them in college
when he was a football player at Auburn, and didn’t take them after that.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
McGriff?
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
I have no idea who took what...
just looking for lanky power hitters that stayed lanky.
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
definitely makes sense for mcgriff
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 11, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
Griffey Jr?
"Haywood leads the league in all offensive categories, including nose hair. When this guy sneezes, he looks like a party favor." - Harry Doyle
by Futility Infielder on Jan 11, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
he was injured too long to be on PEDs
/tongue-in-cheek
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I think it would surprise me
if Junior did them in the 90s. He was thin like 1986 Darryl Strawberry for most of that decade. Once he started hitting the DL regularly the past several years, on the other hand…..
"Haywood leads the league in all offensive categories, including nose hair. When this guy sneezes, he looks like a party favor." - Harry Doyle
by Futility Infielder on Jan 11, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
Good point
"Haywood leads the league in all offensive categories, including nose hair. When this guy sneezes, he looks like a party favor." - Harry Doyle
by Futility Infielder on Jan 11, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
dang, I gotta get some tickets for the Mariners series
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Is that the series where I
will be on the field for batting practice? Oh, I think it is.
* is an Asshat
effer
take pictures
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
we don't believe in OMS anymore??
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
McGriff used TEDs
Tom Emanski Development in order to achieve back-to-back-to-back AAU national championships.
by Fro Jackson on Jan 11, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions 10 recs
Rec for making me lol
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 11, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
"You bet I did."
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
by mojowo11 on Jan 11, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I've always had a strange desire
to be able to throw a baseball from the outfield into a trash can at home plate.
by Fro Jackson on Jan 11, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rumor is Tom Emanski produced...
…back-to-back-to-back AAU National Championship Teams.
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BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
Also should have read the comment above the picture before I posted that...
…oops
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It can never be said enough times...
back-to-back-to-back AAU national championship teams is a lot. This is the only thing from the “Steroid Era” that should be carried over the course of history.
griffey
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
also used HGH according to "anonymous source"
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Part of me feels let down..I know there was a good chance..but only because so many have gotten caught doing it
but, if he told TLR just this morning, after TLR backed him for the job of hitting coach and me as a fan supported it..I just wonder how much was tainted by roids and how much was his skill to be imparted to young players.
Bobby Knight speaks
“Who decides what can be used and what can be used”
Gatorade is a performance-enhancing substance.
….i’ll just… leave that there.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
blames the lawyers.
“Had Tony and I been advising him, he would have come off a lot better.”
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Bob Knight as PR consulatant!
Brilliant!
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
you can't make this stuff up.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I can only assume
his defense would have consisted of multiple potty mouth words.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
don't forget the chairs
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
sign me up
scream as loud as you can and try to scare off the press — best PR is no PR
throw chairs when the press corners you on a question
never admit your wrong. EVER.
Just win
But he woulda voted him 1st ballot HOF.
Thanks, Bobby!
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Tony is slightly more calm
“He gave me more depth” re: the circumstances.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
thinks Big Mac will come off better when more details are out.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
So is chicken...
just asked Wade Boggs.
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
Totally true.
Eating healthy probably enhances performance to some extent as well. We need to get some doctors to really take a look at various ‘performance enhancing drugs’ and see how much of an impact they really have, because right now too many people assume all of these drugs are as bad as the others.
"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is ALBERT when I lay my vengeance upon thee." -The Bible
by Cardinals645 on Jan 11, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
I have good memories of those clips they keep playing
though surely through that whole season, there are more clips.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
this had to happen and i'm glad it did.
First, if he hadn’t done it, it would have been a distraction to a team looking to win this year. Every player on the team would have to answer questions about it.
Second, even if you discount his stats, him and sosa single handedly brought back baseball. Something about contributions to the game in the HOF voting? He and another alleged user save you f*ckin bbwaa guys jobs. Football already is number 1 in america, but to take a back seat to basketball and hockey/golf/rollerderby?
"Chuck Norris CAN divide by zero"
I agree with most of this
But let’s not forget Griffey’s contribution to the first half of that HR chase.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
if he would have hit 60
i think you could include him, but what i and most remember is sosa and mcgwire. of cource it helps when 62 was hit against the cubs
"Chuck Norris CAN divide by zero"
When does TLR get his feet held to the fire for
managing all these players while they were shooting up? At some point, doesn’t he bear some kind of responsibility for, at the least, turning a blind eye?
Think; It's not illegal yet.
Ravech agrees with you!
Tony Clark: “Nobody knew what they were looking for, or looking at.”
thumbs up from Mr. Clark.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
everyone should get the blame
coaches, players, front office, MLB…i dont see a reason to hold some closer to the fire than others…at least right now.
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
No
They are grown men who make their own decisions.
Does the coach of the Bengals have a responsibility for Chris Henry’s death? I mean, he could have required him to be with the team and then he wouldn’t have fallen out of the back of a pickup truck to his death.
What about Norv Turner? He was a coach for the Cowboys in their heydey of coke and stripper abuse, and has coached two players suspended for PED’s on the Chargers. Should he be held accountable for those actions?
Holding people not directly involved for something that someone associated with them did is a bit over the top, in my view.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
i disagree with that
If you know what is going on and idling do nothing. You are just as much of the problem.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 11, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
How is anyone going to prove that any coaches knew what was going on though?
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 11, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
They are involved in the game
They had to know something. Players talk among themselves. They might not of known names but I have hard time believing they didn’t know it was rampant.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 11, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
I think you have a place
to do something if you are coaching college kids. But if you are coaching professionals I don’t see how you can be held responsible for things they are doing in their spare time or to their bodies. Really all you can do is bench people, and that’s going to get the point across to some of the players. If you are more interesting in becoming a pin cushion all the benching in the world isn’t going to change anything if you have that mindset. Same with if you want some nose candy.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
I can see how Tony wouldn't know, though.
he’s… weirdly disconnected sometimes. I mean, being good friends with Tony La Russa might mean “I adopted all these lovely animals and we talk about them all the time.”
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Again
How do you know what is going on if you’re the manager? Wouldn’t it be important to the players to keep things on the down low as much as they possibly could?
Have you seen the amount of muscle and weight gain that traditional training can do if done correctly?
It’s bullshit to blame Tony for the personal decisions of other people. What’s he supposed to do? Not play them based on a hunch? This isn’t fucking high school. These are grown men, you don’t go accusing them of things that they do away from the field.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I have to agree
At the very least, an enabler?
Were their managers in the same era who pushed back on it, and suffered clubhouse fallout? You know, the whole “has lost his clubhouse?”
Rick Helling supposedly suffered from being a squeaky wheel about all this internally, back when it was just coming on the radar in player’s association meetings. I read that Helling suffered fallout from this, and wonder how a manager would have fared within the clubhouse.
teams enable all sorts of things. like mustaches.
tricky stuff, there.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
LaRussa has always enabled mustaches
He’s got a long history of this, dating back to Eckersley and his ilk. It’s amazing how the media always gives him a pass on it, when it’s right there under their noses.
by siddfynch on Jan 11, 2010 9:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
sad but true tweet from Jon Heyman of SI
if you lie for 10 years, and everyone knows you’re lying, what’s the value of finally telling the truth?
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win
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
Did he lie?
Or was he just silent?
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
Heyman is tweeting Boras to find out what his reply to your question will be
Think; It's not illegal yet.
by azruavatar on Jan 11, 2010 6:23 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
rec!
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Exactly
The whole idea of the “not here to talk about the past” quote was to not lie on the stand, so how could he be lying?
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 11, 2010 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
Slight caveat, he didn't lie.
"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is ALBERT when I lay my vengeance upon thee." -The Bible
by Cardinals645 on Jan 11, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
bronze
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
lying...or just not saying anything.
there is a difference…i dont recall him every denying it. correct me if i’m wrong
not saying anything is lying.
if you take the last cookie then let everyone else in the house take the blame for it, is that okay?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Nobody else "took the blame" for McGwire's PED use.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 11, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
True, but Yadi2 makes a good point below
Tony put is rep on the line many many times for Mark, and really stuck his neck out.
One time I specifically remember him saying, on Best Damn I think, essentially:
“Who has more credibility: me or Jose Canseco?”
Unfortunate that Tony might be forced to eat those words now.
"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is ALBERT when I lay my vengeance upon thee." -The Bible
by Cardinals645 on Jan 11, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
I find that funny coming from a cubs fan
in the absence of his statement, who answered for him? who defended him? we did. we did, against every crack and joke and whisper that Busch Stadium isn’t clean.
Now Albert Pujols, of all people, has to answer for the same crap every few months. to say that there was no consequence to his silence is getting technical.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
true on Pujols
I feel sorry that he’ll have to answer to the steroid questions for a while.
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in any case, I think it's done.
it’s just that I find that, now that it is done, part of that relief is that I can do something like argue for his Hall of Fame credentials without the lingering guilt that I’m just being a homer. because the guy himself is going to answer for it, and not me.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
or get to the very SERIOUS business of criticizing him as a hitting coach
because I swear if this lineup doesn’t improve against the bottom-feeders, I’m gonna be more pissed about that than this. haha.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I see your point.
However, even as a Cubs fan, I could see the ridiculousness of all those idiots’ behavior during the Congressional hearing. Sosa’s sudden language barrier and McGwire’s question dodging were tantamount to admission. I don’t know how any rational person, regardless of their allegiances, could defend either of them.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 11, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
In all fairness
My impression was and is that the entire point of those hearings WASN’T to talk about the past, but to figure out what was best for MLB regarding steroids in the future. Not that Congress should be involved in private enterprise at all, not to mention a professional athletics organization, but that’s another issue. The whole thing is just Congress making a show of things for their own sake.
"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is ALBERT when I lay my vengeance upon thee." -The Bible
by Cardinals645 on Jan 11, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
That's just Congress being Congress.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 11, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
Congressional Hearings
were supposedly convened to look at the problem and try to find a road that led to a solution. The Congressman then used to to grandstand on the players that were there and try to get them to admit guilt, which accomplished nothing other than to make everyone look stupid. And by everyone, I mean EVERYONE.
How can I defend either of them? I would defend both, because they were subpoenaed not upon evidence but upon public perception. If you had Randy Velarde speaking in front of Congress about steroids would anyone give a shit? They were put in a bad position by baseball, by Congress, and by themselves to account for the personal actions of all baseball players from 1988 to 2004, so I don’t blame them for the way they reacted.
It’s like going to a movie based on the trailer and then finding out the movie isn’t at all what you thought it was — you’re blindsided. That’s what happened to these players during those hearings, especially Mac, who came prepared to talk about steroid testing procedures and the future of testing in baseball, yet was never asked any questions about those things.
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What the hell were any of those clowns going to say about testing procedures that would have mattered?
The whole thing was a farce of a sham.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 11, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
Doesn't matter
They were brought in for that purpose and that’s what the subpoena’s were for. Condemning all of them on national TV is just a giant smear campaign to make Congress look good, like they give a fuck about steroids. “See, WE DID SOMETHING ABOUT IT.”
It was a farce of a sham, I agree, but yet it required the players to testify, under oath, about things that they personally had seen and done, which is completely unfair to the players involved because others who had seen and done the exact same things weren’t put in the same position.
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But is that just on McGwire
Or is that on everyone involved in that era to begin with that still hasn’t come forward about it. Hell, nobody even had EVIDENCE that Mac did steroids, just a lingering doubt. We’ve got evidence of Bonds, evidence of Clemens, Pettitte, A-Rod, Palmeiro, and the other 100 players on that list that keep leaking out.
So the guy that never had to come clean for any specific reason whatsoever, does so, and he’s the one to blame for the rest of these players having to defend a negative? That’s an absurd amount of responsibility to heap on one individual.
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He is a victim
He’s a victim of being expected to account for all of baseball’s sins in the steroid era when he is clearly not the only one who took advantage of the lax rules and regulations. He’s been made out to be the picture of all that was wrong of that era because of who he is and the record that he set. For that, he is certainly a victim.
I’m not saying what he did wasn’t wrong, and I’ve made those comments clear here at VEB before. He was wrong, and he’s admitted as much. But to put the onus upon him and solely him, as so many people have, is simply wrong and disingenuous.
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and got shafted out of baseball
Dude put up a OPS over a 1.000 than next year could not find a job
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 11, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
People felt the media firestorm
made him unemployable. I personally don’t see a problem with that.
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And he brought part of it on himself
with his less than winning personality.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
When you're z-ing like a mad man
you miss a few comments here and there…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Lefty Bat off the bench for 2010?
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Bonds took more heat
initially because he’s a complete prick. If he wasn’t so surly about things he wouldn’t have been treated any different than McGwire.
Other than that, I agree.
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I don't feel sorry for McGwire
He has had 12 years to admit to what he took.
I don’t feel sorry for Bond’s being passed over due to the supposed “bad pub” that would surround him.
They are not victims.
They made the choice to use and that’s all it is.
But if they would of taken them and just been average
None of it would of mattered
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 11, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
Both were already above average without PEDs.
Bonds was a sure HOFer, and McGwire was a borderline candidate. The steroids didn’t change anything, really.
Now with extra feisty!
My Stance
I personally don’t care who took, or if players currently take. I still love baseball for the game not really the players playing. Players come and go.
I just find it funny how people try to back any of these guys.
They know what they will face by taking.
speaking of alternate histories
if considering going down the path that the HR race re-ignited baseball, what if all the PED-users hadn’t come back from injury and a young phenom from the Dominican via Kansas City lit the imagination of baseball fans everywhere?
because that’s just as likely.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
People have been harder on McGwire than anyone not named Bonds.
And he never actually lied.
Now with extra feisty!
haha, nevermind. just saw that link below.
I stand by my first sentence, though.
Now with extra feisty!
At least he never perjured
No idea if I spelled that right.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
I am not sure
I am not sure who has taken the most heat over the past 6 years on the steroid issues.
Sadly, it hasn't been Selig.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 11, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
sadly
it’s been mcgwire, sosa, and bonds as the big 3 of the steroid era.
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it's too bad, what with the utterly competent professional journalism.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
retarded analogy
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Roger Clemons versus Mark McGwire
1. Roger lied under oath and is going to jail
2. Mark didn’t say anything, spent five happy years with his kids and now has a great job.
There’s a big difference
Just win
i bet they do every thing they can to put Roger in jail
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
ATTN: Everyone
“Once and for all, I did not use steroids or any illegal substance.”
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
still
in these days, anyone who uses steroids will be ridiculed. now that mcgwire has come clean, people will forgive – just like a-rod and others.
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some won't
but some will. we’ll find out.
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just like a-rod and other
yankees.
like a-rod and other yankees.
seriously i don’t see anyone outside of pettite and giambi (i guess paul bird) that has been forgiven
R.P.O.F.Y.M.
Forgiven, not forgotten
Nobody in the media gives a shit if an Orioles second baseman comes clean, unless it was Billy Ripken and they could start conjecture that Cal did them as well. They basically forgot that Roberts did them and readied themselves for the next Yankee story.
I was reading about how countless species are being pushed toward extinction by man's destruction of forests. Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - Calvin, Scientific Progress Goes "Boink", Watterson
Fair enough
And there goes mu Alex Sanchez argument!
sure
as soon as he hits his next 3 run homer to beat the cubs…#arod
by spencegrif on Jan 11, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd for truth.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 11, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
The impression I get from this news that's breaking today
Is that this isn’t only about the andro he kept in his locker for all to see.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
You're going to believe some Limey?
Who has more credibility? The British or US press?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 11, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
hey! I trust Monk.
sometimes.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Have you ever read the BBC
Cause that is where I get my news from
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 11, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
That was a lame attempt at humor...
satirizing TLR’s comment about Canseco.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 11, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
Was he referring to Canseco's accusations?
Or steroids in general. It’s hard to tell from that interview, but from what I remember he was refuting Jose’s accusations, which I think he would still do.
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i has a sad
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Again with the "lying"
He never lied — he didn’t want to purjure himself. Shouldn’t Heyman be beating down Rafael Palmeiro’s door right now?
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Also, Heyman is getting hammered for that
craigcalcaterra: @SI_JonHeyman On October 18th you wrote "its time for Mark McGwire to come clean." If you don’t think there’s value, why did you say that?
jay_jaffe: @craigcalcaterra because he’s a hack who had a few empty lines to fill with empty sentiments
Oops!
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
by mojowo11 on Jan 11, 2010 5:26 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I laughed
I wasn’t going to follow this story, but now I wanna watch the reporters sniping.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Nice...
These baseball pundits don’t pull their punches…
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
OH SNAP
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
haha!
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end livebloggin'.
my two cents… Whether or not it was understandable for the circumstances or for the era is beside the point. He could have done this years ago. He knew his friends were answering for him. He knew Cardinals fans were answering for him — I mean, how much credibility did any of us have, arguing for his HOF credentials or whatever else? He knew what he was doing was wrong and he let his friends (case in point: Tony La Russa, who’s known him for two decades, apparently gets the news hours before a national media appearance) take the heat for him.
It was lying by omission. We took the consequences for it. He gets the heat now. Let’s move on.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I guess i'm ok with taking the heat for the guy who cemented my love of baseball
but i see the point, especially re: TLR
Some people have their own bowling ball and their own bowling shoes and no friends.
You must be the change you wish to see in the world.
Do you want to know the terrifying truth? Or do you want to see me sock a few dingers!
by cloistermaximus on Jan 11, 2010 4:12 PM EST reply actions 14 recs
DINGERS!!!!!
"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is ALBERT when I lay my vengeance upon thee." -The Bible
by Cardinals645 on Jan 11, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
If you could get all the benefits of steroids with none of the down side
Would it be looked down upon, A couple years ago a research team at Standford created a device that would push the human limits of training much more than steroids ever could. It was called “The Glove”. They found that the reason muscles tire was not because of lack of energy but because they over heated. The Glove essentially was a over clocking cooling system for the body. It allows you to work out much longer than you would otherwise and substantially reducing fatigue. This is essentially what steroids do.
You can read more about here. If you google the Glove and Stanford you can find more articles. I know the 49er’s use it.
So if a device does exactly what steroids does should it also be banned? Where do you draw the line?
Will it increase my penis size or stamina?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 11, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
I told them they got 6 inches. shhh!
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Fuck me, I'm had an extra 2 inches this whole time?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 11, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
the last two are wooden
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 11, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Nice pun
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 11, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
I work with the company that holds the patent on that device
It is remarkable technology. However, I would say that its best application is likely as an emergency cooling device to prevent deaths from hyperthermia.
"I learned a long time ago if you keep checking your stats all year, you're going to end up in the toilet." - Chris Carpenter, 2009.
wow, I saw that X-Files.
are you from the future?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
That is interesting
I have read quite about it over the years. There is just so much money in professional sports that I figured it would eventually make it more available. I know it can rewarm a body quite a bit faster like 20x than normal.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 11, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
I think that all major pro and college teams
Will eventually have one of these. They will buy them to avoid liability issues. They will save lives like the football players we hear about every year (it seems) dying from overheating during training camps.
"I learned a long time ago if you keep checking your stats all year, you're going to end up in the toilet." - Chris Carpenter, 2009.
In the future
it could be banned. There are a lot of things that were legal at one point and later made illegal that have no effect on the human body but enhance performance nonetheless. Petroleum jelly on a baseball, for example, allegedly increases break on pitches.
what did the swimming guys decide on swimsuit-gate?
I never did find out how that ended, other than Phelps (well, his coaches) storming off.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Some questions here:
- Is it freely available technology that anyone can use to improve performance?
- Does it have long term side effects of use?
- What are the side effects, if any, of long or short term usage? If they are not life threatening, are they uncomfortable or severely painful without being harmful?
That’s kinda the line you have to draw. The issue with steroids isn’t that players are getting stronger, they can get just as strong through regular workouts. My issue with steroids is that by using them, you are putting yourself in a position of personal health and legal status that not all other players may be comfortable with because of increased risk of overall harm to their health or legal issues. Therefore you are being given an edge that violates all of the above rules.
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More likely question for the future
If you can replace an elbow ligament with something novel (like, a kangaroo ligament), does it then become acceptable if it lets a guy throw 105? And if it’s not OK, then why is a cadaver ligament OK? Slippery slope ensues.
i saw this movie... i think
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
what? this one?
if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus
well this sucks
not that he did the roids, but now the press has even more ammo to fire at him & the Cards. if i’ve said it once, i’ve said it a thousand times. f the media. their faux anger & outrage just drips of hypocrisy. screw them & their holy than thou attitude.
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
by gdm426 on Jan 11, 2010 4:29 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
rec'd
and it’s true. now the media is going to use this to dog mcgwire and the cards even more. i’m surprised that big mac has been able to live with the fact as long as he has, and i’ll be interested as to how he’ll handle the situation b/c the media will be all over him.
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by jd is legend on Jan 11, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
Resist....urge....strangle..
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Does he have a job still?
I was reading about how countless species are being pushed toward extinction by man's destruction of forests. Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - Calvin, Scientific Progress Goes "Boink", Watterson
Quote from MLBN, before reading McGwire's statement.
“Moments ago”
Really? Moments? That’s been up on the mothership for like a half hour.
"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is ALBERT when I lay my vengeance upon thee." -The Bible
Dispatch has some of its own stuff up with some extra quotes from Mac
“I was a walking MASH unit.”-Big Mac
"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is ALBERT when I lay my vengeance upon thee." -The Bible
I did a double-take for a second
I am a big fan of Dispatch the band, so I got a little excited. But then I remembered that they are from New England and probably Sawx fans, so I knew that couldn’t be it.
I was reading about how countless species are being pushed toward extinction by man's destruction of forests. Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. - Calvin, Scientific Progress Goes "Boink", Watterson
interesting timing
after the HOF vote (well, not that he had a shot)
after Tony’s crack about PHing him
a month before P&C report, so that’s good…
right after the Holliday signing
the week before Winter Warm Up
so I can only conclude one of these:
1. Mo took his brand new balls and ticked off the next thing in his planner
2. Mac didn’t want to distract Boog’s dinger camp
3. Boog had a heart-to-heart man stew with him about the magic of baseball, speaking his mind, and the possibilities of awesome mustaches
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
i think the fact that it was after the HOF vote
legitimizes it and makes it so no one misconstrues it as a PR move to sway votes.
R.P.O.F.Y.M.
This year.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 11, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
yes but
this is about as far away from a HOF vote as you can get. being that theyre annual and all…
R.P.O.F.Y.M.
That's kinda the point I think. This give the longest amount of time between his admission and apology and the next round of HOF voting.
I think it’s clever.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 11, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
Foul tip into the catcher's mask.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 11, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
He speaks a bit about that in the Dispatch link I posted
Citing mostly not wanting to distract everyone from regular baseball activities. He didn’t mention the Hall, but I’m sure that was part of it too. He might be uncomfortable mentioning the hall, for exactly the reasons you posted.
"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is ALBERT when I lay my vengeance upon thee." -The Bible
by Cardinals645 on Jan 11, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
Didn't Rose already come out and admit he gambled?
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 11, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
I believe he did so via a book signing on the day the HOFers were announced.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
You are correct sir
He also does a signing every year in Cooperstown on the weekend of the HOF inductions. It’s really fucking disgraceful.
One thing to look forward to with the Dawson induction — The Hawk might be crazy enough to take a bat to Pete Rose should he decide to show up in town that weekend. I would NOT put it past him.
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I was referring to the "tact" portion of the example
In other words, don’t make everything about yourself and don’t distract everyone’s attention from more important matters to put yourself in the spotlight so everyone will pity you and your ignorance.
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aha, an answer
It probably could have happened earlier. We had a lot of things going on. The World Series was still going on, the announcements of two possible Cy Youngs and an MVP in St. Louis. Then the winter meetings, then Thanksgiving. I didn’t want to be a distraction for any of that stuff.
from the p-d. strauss interview.
which sbn doesn’t want me to post
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
(meanwhile Kyle Turley is talking about the progression of concussion studies)
and how the Rams just released him to his wife, without any responsibility on them.
he sounds really smart.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
He was the former player Malcom Gladwell interviewed in that New Yorker article from a few months ago.
Now with extra feisty!
huh, didn't know that
I don’t follow handegg that much.
“If they let him go home on his own, I was going to make note of it.”
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
It's a fascinating article, even if you don't agree with all his assertions.
I certainly don’t look at handegg the same.
Football, dogfighting, and brain damage
Now with extra feisty!
totally agree
great article. made me reconsider what I want out of athletes.
Some people have their own bowling ball and their own bowling shoes and no friends.
You must be the change you wish to see in the world.
That's kind of sad, the head injuries.
People treat concussions far too lightly in sports. I was shocked when they let guys walk off the field in the Patriots-Ravens game just yesterday. One guy had clearly been knocked unconscious for several minutes, and another seemed to have had a neck injury. It makes me think of Edmonds’ return to the field back in the day (2006, I think?). More needs to be done to protect the players when they have head injuries like that.
"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is ALBERT when I lay my vengeance upon thee." -The Bible
by Cardinals645 on Jan 11, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
part of it is that handegg players
have stronger muscles to stabilize some of the spine, so they can take blows that would kill a, well, normal man.
but i agree, they’re taking it too far. human tolerances > team winning
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
concussions
I had two concussions during 2006, and my head still isn’t quite right.
(assuming it was considered right to begin with)
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
I've had at least 8 concussions in my life
anyone who really knows me would not be surprised at this kind of information
and my head still ain’t right either.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
i feel concussions in sports are 800% more important than steroids.
ben rothlisberger should not be playing football.
of course, he never should have been riding his motorcycle around, but that’s another story.
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by tom s. on Jan 11, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
That's tantamount to stating
that denying a person diagnosed with clinical depression the right to purchase a gun for the express intent of killing themselves is ok.
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and also he's not exactly playing in a vacuum
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
not quite
it may be o bit over-stated, but my point is that he’s being compensated very well for his risky behavior. And it is ultimately his choice to play
Boxing is legal...
Football is only in the spotlight on this because of its popularity. I am in no way saying boxing should be banned, just that there are certainly worse cases of athletes “gutting through”…..see Jermain Taylor still wanting to fight.
Not afraid to nitpick
See Evander Holyfield
getting licensed at age 48. RIDICULOUS.
And this is after a boxer just died in the ring a few months ago. How some of these fights get sanctioned is really unbelievable to me.
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Apollo Creed?
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
or UFC
or hockey, or sky-diving or x-treme! sports
All these sports are inherently risky. The medical professionals make recommendations and the lawyers have influence on the rules, but you’ll never remove the risk of long -term or short term fatal injury.
His family
who would certainly sue the NFL or anyone they could when he is a veg in a bed because they didn’t stop him from playing with concussions.
or ten years down when his personality suddenly changes....
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
all i have to do is watch a video of latter-day muhammad ali and say "not worth it."
if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus
So true.
"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is ALBERT when I lay my vengeance upon thee." -The Bible
by Cardinals645 on Jan 11, 2010 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
roids...
i hate the debate that they were not banned in baseball…how long have they been illegal in our nation? For certain generations i give passes but after it became illegal it was illegal period…
I still like big mac but have always hated that side of the debate
This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers
still no proof steroids are actually performance enhancing
a point keith law frequently makes.
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
but is it on the banned list aka the rules...?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
well you obviously shouldn't do them because they're banned
and because of the negative health consequences
the point is we only call them “performance enhancing” off of assumptions and not any kind of empirical evidence.
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
it's more of a blanket term
in use by the MLB and the people who write about them.
we could call them nerts, if you want…
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
My dad
has been prescribed steroids several times for a recurring medical condition. He’s 65 years old. Last time he was on them he was cutting some trees down in our back yard and just thrashing through them. He felt he had to stop to prevent flaring up other problems he has, but told me he could have easily kept going. My dad is not anywhere near peak physical condition but said he feels like he can do anything when he’s on the steroids. So I guess my point is steroids are performance enhancing in timber sports…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
We really need to start checking those lumberjacks
during the Great Outdoor Games.
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Corticosteroids?
They’re different than sex steroids like testosterone. I don’t know what kind your dad was taking, but even corticosteriods make people feel amped.
Now with extra feisty!
After a quick wikipeida search
he takes a corticosteroid.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Still, those things amp you up.
I have a friend who has had to take corticosteroids for an autoimmune disorder. She’d go from being in immense pain during a flare-up, to a complete house-cleaning beast a day or two after taking steroids.
Now with extra feisty!
Yeah when he's on them
and I’m working with him it’s all I can do to keep up most times. And he’s significantly older than I. That’s one reason I’ve never disputed that steroids help you do things better. What those things are may be a different story, but they do their job very well…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Isn't it possible that your dad expected a certain result, and thus experienced it?
Placebo effect and whatnot.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
no, that's what steroids are.
unless you’re a mutant.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
It's a possibility
but I don’t think that’s what happens with him. After having seen him with and without them there is a marked difference that I don’t think can be explained by placebo unless he has the world’s most powerful noggin ever… which isn’t really the case.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Still no proof Holliday touched home plate.
But we sorta agree about it.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 11, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
w/r/t Bonds & roids
I heard some interesting theories that it was more the bat he used and the armor he wore (which was grandfathered in) allowed more torque, thus allowing him to hit the ball harder. It would be interesting to see more research on this subject.
i thought bonds
was the one who popularized maple? the one that everyone’s using today that massacres 50 fans a game
R.P.O.F.Y.M.
which is largely my point
we just assume that since steroids have some basic effects that it translates to being a better baseball player. the fact is, most people who have been busted are minor leaguers who have never and will never do anything noteworthy on the diamond.
the outcry has always seemed to me to be more about giving sportswriters something to be righteously indignant about than a real care and devotion for the sanctity of the game.
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
I think it's funny that they used to use amphetamines to increase reaction time to hit the ball
and now they make it seem like everything is different, like ped’s haven’t been around before. this just makes you hit the ball further, to me having an unfair benefit in reaction time is worse.
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 11, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
It's because pills
are way sexier than needles… well all know ecstasy is way cooler than heroin.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
eh
they are both lame… but I’d like to put forth the argument that better music was written on h
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 11, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
Not really the same
Ecstasy is, in general, a couple billion times safer than heroin.
But I get what your underlying point.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
Not that I'm looking to pick a fight
but why do you say ecstasy is safer than heroin?
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
because the girls he slips it too don't usually die
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 11, 2010 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
it's not as ridiculously addictive.
ecstasy has been known to eat big holes in your brain, tho.
if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus
That's what I was thinking
that burning out your brain is a lot worse long term than the addiction. From what I hear heroin is really addictive but doesn’t do anything to your body itself. The problems arise from the shooting.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
well
it is definitely bad for you, plus you have to keep getting money for more and more of it. haven’t you seen trainspotting? heh
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 11, 2010 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not disputing the crippling addiction part
I’m saying that from what I understand opiates give you your high than leave your body no worse for the wear. Where as ecstasy burns out parts of your brain and leads to really bad depression later in life. Which seems much worse if at some point you kick the drug of choice.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Heroin can lead to brain damage
by way of overdose. It also inhibits the body’s natural pain inhibitors from bonding properly, which can cause long term effects and a chemical dependence on methodone or heroin itself.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I'm pretty sure an overdose of anything
will jack you up long term. Hell too many Tylenol causes your liver to freak out. And the chemical dependence is what I’m calling crippling addiction. I realize that they are different, but they’re close enough to each other I think they can be thrown under the same blanket.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Thing is
you can have a long term chemical dependence to heroin, even after you’re off the drug. Sometimes your body will simply stop making the endorphins that are replaced by the opiate.
That’s kinda what I was trying to point out there, and failed miserably.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Ok I see what you're going for.
That makes sense to me. I still think that can be classified as a part of the addiction process. Granted I’m not a doctor nor have I had to deal with people with drug problems in my life so my opinion is marginally informed at best…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
I'm seeing your point as well
But lack of endorphins can lead to depression and anxiety, similar to that experienced by people who take Ex long term.
None of this shit is good for you AT ALL. So debating which one might be worse is kinda pointless lol.
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Very good point
that being said time for a beer…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
it also shuts down respiratory systems!
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
yup
they are both bad news, I knew a lot of ravers that get some pretty bad depression issues from it… but h is physically addictive and one of the worst, something you don’t F around with unless you are keith richards or someone of that nature
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 11, 2010 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
Heroin also seemingly leads to the idea that speedballs are fun
Mitch Hedberg, Belushi etc. If only Robin Williams would have switched places with Belushi people might still think he was funny.
Not afraid to nitpick
zing!
have you seen tim and eric awesome show? I love the bit when they get their own Robin Williams, he just goes around acting wacky
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 11, 2010 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
I was watching his most recent standup act
And after 10 minutes, I hadn’t laughed once. He peaked at the golf bit, and not much since.
Not afraid to nitpick
There is a doctor
that has scientific evidence that MDMA (Ecstasy) can be used to treat PTSD patients and help them recover.
Continuous use of Ecstasy can build tolerance and they’ve shown that high doses do indeed cause significant brain damage, but alcoholics have the same problem and similar symptoms while beer and whiskey are perfectly legal and much more addictive.
No word yet on whether heroin use can cure cancer.
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there's really no strong evidence
to support the theory mdma caused neurtoxicity
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
That's not what I stated
I said brain damage, further defined as loss of brain function, which HAS been demonstrated.
Here and here. The link doesn’t work anymore on the second one, but the analysis is there in the first post.
Killer portion and what I was referring to above (first link):
Extent of neurotoxicity is dose-dependent. Long-term changes occur in rats at doses approximately 5 to 10 times higher than those known to be psychoactive in humans (O’Shea, 1998; Commins, 1987). Most MDMA neurotoxicity studies have used multiple dose regimens. These studies show that “binge” use of MDMA carries greater risk of neurotoxicity than single doses. When administered repeatedly, a non-neurotoxic dose of MDMA can become neurotoxic (Battaglia, 1988; O’Shea, 1998). Multiple dose neurotoxic regimens appear able to produce more profound and possibly more lasting serotonergic changes than single MDMA administration (Battaglia, 1988). The results of multiple dose studies are difficult to compare across species since the same interval between doses can have very different effects in two species with different clearance rates of MDMA.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
maybe that's not what you stated
but that’s what the first part of your quote is stating. it’s not a very good quote to use, either, considering
Long-term changes occur in rats at doses approximately 5 to 10 times higher than those known to be psychoactive in humans
and
The results of multiple dose studies are difficult to compare across species since the same interval between doses can have very different effects in two species with different clearance rates of MDMA.
so yes, if i take 12 pills 5 nights a week for a year, i’m probably going to sustain a bit of brain damage from dopamine mistakenly sliding into my serotonin reuptake proteins and becoming oxygenated and in turn, toxic.
i guess i should have so that non-absurd levels of mdma use has not been substantially linked to neurotoxicity in humans.
the real danger of mdma is not the mdma. it’s what you don’t know you’re getting
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
should have said*
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
unsubstantiated!
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
There's a variety of reasons
Obviously ANY drug is harmful if you take too much, and ecstasy is no exception. But most research these days seems to indicate that ecstasy is one of the less dangerous illegal substances, while heroin is generally located near the top in terms of harm. Here’s a pertinent graph from the folks at BBC.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
Do you know what they define
as a “harm rating”?
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Heroin
in it’s purest form is the “best” of the hard drugs on your body. So if you can afford the good stuff and don’t share needles, it won’t kill you nearly as fast as coke, meth, ecstasy, etc (or even alcohol) will.
See Keith Richards for an example of how to do it right.
Years ago I read something about the physics of his elbow guard, which was hinged IIRC.
I can’t find the link, though.
Now with extra feisty!
i still think to some extent the roids helped somehwere
why else would a entire generation use them..maybe deception…
i also like the theories on the armor, and they also were not letting many pitchers come in on him(bonds)
This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers
Oh, I definitely think steriods help them. To what aim and degree, I don't know.
Now with extra feisty!
maybe its 50 50
they take em thinking they are getting this huge edge which actually provides minimal effect, but does in a sense then give them the mental edge..thinking they are now great..
i think we have seen scrubs take them and still be scrubs, it doesn’t make a dud a superstar it just makes a good player better
This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers
Being president of his fan club
Not really. Misread your post, disregard. Difficult to work on a thesis and read VEB at the same time, apparently.
that needs to be your sig
prez of the nefi perez fan club
This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers
"He's more machine now than man"
?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
greaaat, now I'm going to read all the "roid"s as "droid"s
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Keith Law
likes to dance around this issue by playing semantics. That makes him kinda full of shit, like he is on a lot of other topics.
Go here. Then scroll down to the part about “Body Composition and Strength Improvements”
Now, it’s been scientifically proven to increase both muscle size and strength even in small doses over a 10 week period or less, and I’m sure these guys weren’t using small doses — most were probably using doses 5 to 10 times the dosage used in the study. So we know they build muscle and strength.
What Law is saying is that the increased muscle and strength don’t lead to performance issues directly. But how do you know that? It’s nearly impossible to do a study linking steroids directly to performance, but there’s pretty hard evidence that if you improve the strength of a player without effecting his flexibility or other talents, that player will show increased performance. It’s just going to be difficult to prove that scientifically — that doesn’t mean it isn’t true.
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Mac
I’m glad he came clean. I hope that the MLB community will be as forgiving to Bib Mac as they were to others who have admitted trangressions. There have been players busted for illegal drugs in the Hall of Fame. Hopefully someday Mac will be there too.
Is any one else equal parts surprised/unfazed.
Nothing new was learned today, but its weird seeing him admit it so completely
I love
How he is clean shaven in the first two.
by El Hombre 05 on Jan 11, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
I'm disturbed by Big Bird.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Oscar needs
twenty-five bucks for a fix, and Big Bird is helping him out. Sheesh. I think it’s fairly obvious.
Adoration is the state furthest from understanding.
by the red baron on Jan 11, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
now I wanna see if youtube kicked out those muppets + NIN videos
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
aha, it's sad kermit.
i’m not linking to it. easy to find.
if the muppets are sacred pieces of your childhood, don’t go looking for it. hehe.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
have I ever said how much I love the baron?
my keyboard, not so much!
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
RB is the best i tells ya! the best!
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Rotoworld
Has anyone noticed that the rotoworld feed for McGwire’s confession has the headline “Albert Pujols”? Why?
There’s often a big gap between the title and content of the rotoworld feed. This one accidentally feeds guilt by association….
At least TLR was associated with McGwire all those years….
www.mpgillusion.com
so maybe it's Albertofstan news....?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
because flubs fans
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
i just want to point out
that i just pressed Z on facebook trying to scroll down a list of comments.
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 11, 2010 5:43 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
And I would just like to point out
That the Facebook iPhone app finally released an update with the ability to sync phone contact pictures with Facebook profile pics. Bout time.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
Wait....
you mean to tell me there was an app that the iPhone didn’t have?
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
I know.
I have the Facebook app. I just meant the update. So it was reading fail on my part.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
My advisor and I discussed developing a pretty awesome app today
After a pretty exhaustive search, we don’t think it exists
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 11, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
Oh I told him I was in 100%
It would actually be quite useful (I’m not going to describe it so that nobody swoops in and steals my idea) and if we sold it for $1-$2, and the potential upgrade for $3-$4, we’d probably make a pretty nice sum of money
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 11, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think
it’ll ever beat the sheer brilliance that is “Sound Grenade” in terms of annoyance of other people. That is seriously the best app ever.
It's a jump... to conclusions...
app!
by Mister Eff on Jan 11, 2010 6:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
DAMN IT
How did you know?!
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 11, 2010 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
I do that all the time
in facebook and gtalk… I think my problem may be worse than yours…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Yeah...
I try to z out responses from friends… usually when I’m juggling a thread here and a chat with someone, but it still happens.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
yeah my little blurb came the same minute as Big Mac's press release
coaching as well as ops under his purview
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Hey guys, drinkin' a bottle of HGH
Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.
BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
it's G2 now
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I'm stocked up on bottles from the mid-90s.
I bought it back when All-Sport was making a push. Thought it might knock Gatorade into bankruptcy.
Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.
BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
WWL has audio
I’m trying to figure out what the clicking noise is behind all these audio interviews.
He’s crying.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
That ought to win over the female vote.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 11, 2010 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
uh what? girls know there's no crying in baseball.
seriously, I mentioned it for the circular history.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
also, not to get into the dating advice
but I haven’t met many women these days who’d be won over by waterworks.
see below.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
He's not winning them over in a romantic way
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 11, 2010 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
well, dating-advice in the VEB sense
I had the Jimmy The Greek bio on for white noise, and he polled women about whether they liked mustaches on guys – then placed a huge bet on Truman winning because of Dewey’s stache.
I don’t know why that was in my head, other than tain’t romantic.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Heh
taint
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 11, 2010 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
tweren't nuthin
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
is there roid-melancholy to go with roid rage?
if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus
by tom s. on Jan 11, 2010 6:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
maybe he's a ginger?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Uh
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 11, 2010 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
Timmeh says
he wasn’t going to do that to his family + the advice of his lawyers.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
saying something in Congress, I mean.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
he apologized over and over again.
“God-given ability to hit home runs”, steroids had nothing to do with it
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
sorry missed this
“I would do anything to protect my family”
in a nutshell, he wasn’t granted immunity, so his attorneys advised him, and he told them he’d take the hit instead of his family
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
they are typing down what he's saying
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
next thing you'll be telling me they feed the tickertape into the intertube
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
are you outraged?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I forgot to mention that Tony
also referenced Rick Ankiel re: the “body of thought” that steroids helped your rehab.
fantastique.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
off topic much?
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 11, 2010 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
gotta make new ones sometime
but this one’s a wee bit random
Best moment I've ever seen at a Cards game in person
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SIGN FELIPE LOPEZ & JOHN SMOLTZ!
the schedule was just released today, thought I'd get the word out.
lot of news today.
I am the Batman
Ode to the Summer of 1998
Back in the summer of ’98
Sammy and Mark battled at the plate
They hit many dingers
And now the doubt lingers
But they saved baseball; it was their fate.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
by IHeartBoog on Jan 11, 2010 6:27 PM EST reply actions 12 recs
you good with these odes
rec’d
Best moment I've ever seen at a Cards game in person
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SIGN FELIPE LOPEZ & JOHN SMOLTZ!
you really have a gift
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
thanks.
now if only I could figure out some way to make money with this completely useless skill…
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
as soon as you do, let me know
i’m full of useless skills
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
clearly you are cut out for a life of marketing.
I am so sorry. Really, I am. (and how I wish that I had your skill!)
Don't ping my cheese with your bandwidth.
by RosevilleRedbird on Jan 11, 2010 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
wow that was fast.
honestly, this is how I feel about the whole thing. I hate that he was juiced and now we’ll never know if he could have done it with natural talent. But I was 16 in 1998 and I’d been following the Cardinals for eight years, and it was so nice to see St. Louis be recognized on a national scale, especially because I didn’t live there anymore.
As someone who became a fan right when the Cardinals started being awful, and who made it through to the other side of the strike, I always fancied myself a “true” fan. And it was nice to see the sport get some appreciation again.
So I guess what I’m saying is, although the records are tainted, the memories are pure. And we shouldn’t ever forget that.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
I didn't realize that was a limerick at first
I thought you were re-doing the words from “Summer of ’69”
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 11, 2010 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
Why?
as the self-appointed defender of Canada here, look at the big picture of where you were that summer, and forget the singer! Woodstock?
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Jan 11, 2010 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
my mom was 12
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Jan 11, 2010 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
with apologies to all VEB canadians
That year I got my first real six-string
my hands bled from all of the playing
we tried real hard
but we never got far
save for me and my trite balladeering
by DanUpBaby on Jan 11, 2010 7:25 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Apoligies accepted
does everyone hate him that much? Anyhow, it is OK, because he was born in the UK (not USA), therefore not really a true Canuck!
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Jan 11, 2010 11:48 PM EST up reply actions
I’m glad Mark came out and admitted that he used Steroids. I’m sure that he has a clear conscience and can go about his new role with the Cardinals with a clean slate.
Before we nail him to the cross though, let’s remember that he didn’t do anything against the rules of baseball at the time, nor did he lie about it after the fact. He just refused to answer questions, until now of course.
Thanks again Big Mac for that memorable year in 1998 and for almost singlehandedly reviving the game of baseball.
Never? Ever?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 11, 2010 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
sosa just forgot how to speak english
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
i was trying to be funny
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
you have a gift for that
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
dave mckay's son
he spent time on the major league roster as the backup catcher in……’06?
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 11, 2010 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
i knew it was sarcasm
but i answered it seriously for fun.
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 11, 2010 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
i get a kick out of it.
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 11, 2010 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 11, 2010 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
Huh?
Didn’t know Cody was part of the gang. I remember when he quit the game when he expected to be 2nd catcher, and we sent him down to AAA. He quit, I can’t remember the year, or the #2 catcher. The one before Jason. Dave’s brother runs a baseball store in Vancouver, FWIW.
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Jan 11, 2010 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
he just wanted to impress the sports readers by showing he knew what the word feckless meant.
if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus
tim brown didn't get far enough in the thesaurus entry to see.
if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus
Someone is gonna write that article regardless of if they believe it or not
it is simply an article that had to be written at some point. Someone is going to say,“hey I can be the first to write the too little too late article.”
Regardless he is indeed an asshat.
You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all.
-- Earl Weaver
by Smokin Turkeys on Jan 11, 2010 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously...
every player who put a needle in his body and made the next player choose between that and pumping gas for a living, everyone too cowardly to compete straight up.
Can we stop pretending that this was actually the case? Like Mac was taking the job of some guy who had to choose between shooting up steroids or pumping gas at the local Quik-E-Mart? I mean, fuck, give me a break.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
so none of Bonds' MVPs belong to Albert?
because his career was going to naturally last that long? we know that for sure?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
+1
seriously. at some point he wasn’t on steroid. i mean, these guys aren’t born roided up. and it seems like the majority of them were perfectly great athletes who got the majors on their own merit and did steroids so they could heal quicker. there is no guy out there who is one injection away from being a major league-quality player.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
Krukie still keeps it up
that even if it didn’t improve their performance on the field, it got them healthy enough to get on the field
bustterrrrr says the usual about uneven standards for the era re: HOF
this is probably somewhere else, but apparently Big Mac’s wife said something about last impressions
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
"I was playing basically naked out there against everyone else."
nice metaphor but KRUK NO.
my eyes.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
That would have been a PID
Performance Inhibiting Drug, for every other player on the field.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 11, 2010 6:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
he's such a liar too
everyone on the phills was roided up. everyone
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
he had a performance enhancing mullet
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
i really hate mlb for f'ing dish network out of their channel
his interview with costas is actually something i want to see
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Don't Blame McGwire and Sosa
I can’t blame McGwire for what he did or Sosa for what I think he did. Baseball wasn’t testing for steroids at the time. Baseball was just so happy to see those homers fly out of the park to get attendance back up after the 1994-1995 strike. Steroids were a big part of that. As a Cubs fan, I strongly suspected Sosa was juicing, but I didn’t care if he was hitting 60+ homers a year. I suspect a lot of Cardinals fans thought McGwire was juicing but didn’t care if Big Mac was hitting 60+ homers a year. We got a nice show from both of them and were only so happy to go along on the ride.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on Jan 11, 2010 6:51 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Because he had to play for the Reds, that's punishment enough.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 11, 2010 6:55 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I really do like this place. If you all wouldn't mind a Cub fan hanging out here...
I would enjoy posting more..and yes, I think the Cardinals are the favorites to win the NL Central.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 11, 2010 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
I think you would be welcome.
Isn’t there a Cardinals fan on BCB?
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
There's a White Sox fan...
that has almost NEVER posted on the SBN White Sox board. He only shows up to troll though. The Cards fan that posts on BCB actually talks baseball and is enjoyable to talk to.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 11, 2010 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
That's an awfully broad brush you're using.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 11, 2010 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
I'll keep that in mind when reading your comments in the future.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 11, 2010 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
Can you measure how much he hates them?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 11, 2010 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
In other words...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 11, 2010 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
Vivaelpujols
I like seeing VEP over at BCB. It’s always nice to get a perspective on the Cubs from the standpoint of a fan of another team.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
+1
Then again, I thought the Cubs were the favorites to win the NL Central in 2009, and the Cardinals won. Yeah, I’m right along with you in thinking the Cards are the favorites in 2010. Maybe, that’ll mean the Cubs will take the Central this season.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
Nah...
2010 is already this year. You gotta wait until NEXT year… that’s the rule for Cubbies.
by sabbath999 on Jan 11, 2010 7:08 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Best logic ever.
a rec for you
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
LOL
Next year never gets here for the Cubs. Hey, it’s only baseball. I can take a joke.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
It's only baseball?
What?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Well if it makes you feel any better
The Cubs and the Cardinals have won the same amount of playoff games the last 3 years
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 11, 2010 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
If only the # of games played were the same, this might bring comfort.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 11, 2010 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
Stupid Playoffs.
Colby finally goes on a tear and the stupid rest of the team just stops playing. And I get to go to a playoff game and what do they do? LOSE! Jerks.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
I was home for a Break.
Fall Break I think.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Jan 12, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
they were favorites
until the injuries and the cardinals trades
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 11, 2010 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
That's a pretty repugnant article, imo
Especially by someone who has an M.D. There’s a whole lot of compulsory evidence that he’s leaving out of that article, because it would detract from his point. Full disclosure from players means full disclosure from your drive by accusations, doc.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
the moral debate
i love it when people say “it wasn’t banned in baseball” might be true but aren’t some illegal?
Justifying what they did by “it wasn’t tested” is like saying it’s ok for me to take heroin becaue my local job doesn’t test for that or xtasy…so it’s ok…
Cheating not cheating doesn’t matter to me it was ILLEGAL for a long time depending on what the player took…
that being said i have always liked big mac and still do
This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers
So do you turn yourself in
if you happen to go above the posted speed limit?
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
I ride my high horse straight to the police station, yes.
by Mister Eff on Jan 11, 2010 7:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i'm not on a high horse
i’m just saying i don’t like that theory….i’m ok with people saying it doesnt bother them etc. it doesnt bother me all that much but i hate the debate of “it was a product of the times” they made choices..just like when i speed i make a choice
This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers
also
i don’t like that everyone that did stuff has to be found out…if they didnt get caught then why do we need to know…right or wrong it’s none of our buisness if they were not busted etc…
This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers
I'm just a firm believer in
it’s only illegal if you get caught. Which is why you should always drive on side streets if you’re drunk… I mean ummm I believe I’ve said too much.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Dang. I didn't expect to ever see drunk driving jokes here.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 11, 2010 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
My making jokes about stupid people
knows no bounds
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Unless you're a drunk driver, no.
If you are… then yes.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
the whole repsonse twisted what i was saying
i’m not on a high horse im just saying i dont like the reasoning behind peoples thoughts…and nation wide not just here…
that being said no one was really caught of anything so taking action against them is kinda hard.
This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers
that being said no one was really caught of anything so taking action against them is kinda hard.
was the point I was trying to make. No one got busted for doing it in the 90s so to go back and get penance out of them is ridiculous in my opinion.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
We should at least make them play in one old-timers game...
and only use a fungo bat.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 11, 2010 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
Do any ghostmen on the bases
get simulated by Ken Caminiti’s basepath speed? Sorry couldn’t resist…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Only if each CF'er is required to wear googly-eyeglasses in honor of Kirby Puckett.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 11, 2010 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
Nice to see I'll have someone I know in hell...
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
we are agreed
it’s just verbage that angers me. i see things in right in wrong…
when i speed it’s wrong, even if i dont get caught it is wrong..
if they took steroids its wrong regardless of testing..
but just like a speeding ticket you cant issue one for 5 yrs ago, and with this thing it should just pass..
This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers
What about Marijuana?
It is illegal by Federal laws but not tested by baseball. I don’t see players names get dragged through the mud over marijuana. I think baseball players should be judged by baseball rules.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 11, 2010 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
I really don't get this comparison at all.
I don’t know if you’re referring to us doubting accomplishments of players that have used PED’s or not, so forgive me if that’s not what you are referring to. Taking steroids is a perfectly good reason for keeping marginal players out of the HOF. Getting high is not even close to a good reason.
(Insert Your Own Joke)
by AWolfAtTheDoor on Jan 11, 2010 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
Seems to be a good enough reason for Tim Raines...
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
if they get caught
then they should get in trouble…if they don’t then no witch hunts…i didn’t like the steroid witch hunt..
This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers
what about the guy who pitched a complete game on acid?
when of mankind’s most remarkable achievements imo
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 11, 2010 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
Almost, he didn't have to face a lineup with a DH.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 11, 2010 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
me too
it would be infinitely entertaining imo
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 11, 2010 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
It's stories like that
that make me think I could totally be a professional athlete if I just tried harder, or that no matter how hard I try I’ll never be good enough as a professional athlete if people are doing it on acid… I’m not sure which is true.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
well not that you're not goo
but if they are good enough to do it on acid..that’s a whole new level..or playinf field…ba dum dum
This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers
I think I could have been a pro athlete
If I loved playing a game enough to spend the amount of time required to be good at the pro level.
'Smoking's Bad, Mmkay, You Shouldn't Smoke....
…and drugs are bad, mmkay, you shouldn’t do drugs, and as for alcohol, well, alcohol is bad, mmkay, you shouldn’t use alcohol.."
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
if not for alcohol, i doubt many of us would be here right now
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
There's a line of joking
that I could take that off on but won’t such that I don’t upset some people… But suffice it to say that alcohol used prior to certain acts can constitute a crime… fill in the gaps from there…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Is anyone else watching the Costas interview?
You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all.
-- Earl Weaver
mac has aged well.
or else they made him wear a lot of make-up.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
I hope they show this again, I missed most of it.
Mac says he had a long talk with Albert today. He also says Albert is the best player of all time.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
that was really hard to watch
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
I didn't see the beginning of it
They are going after him on MLB Network. I guess he said that the steroids did not impact his performance.
These sports writers are so sanctimonious. And I am a total HOMER.
I am watching it
Great interview. Mac looks great. I feel for him. What a great interview. I totally forgive him for everything. Wow!
is this sarcasm?
the MLB network guys think Mac blew it because he insisted that he had god-given ability and that the steroids did not enhance his performance.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
It's no different from the fact that I have a god-given abiltiy to get an erection...
and may someday require a small blue pill to display said god-given ability.
McGwire DID have that ability, he just used (misused?) modern medicine to extend the time he could use it effectively.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 11, 2010 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
No it is not sarcasm
I explained above. I forgive him. He made a mistake. So what. I didn’t hear him say that the steriods did not enhance his performance.
who cares what they think?
Guy hasn’t been like some of the other guys saying stuff like..
“I only used it once on accident.”
“I don’t have a third ear.”
“I don’t know what my cousin injected in my body.”
I think MLB network is being a bit rough on that interview.
I agree somewhat with McGwire, that most if not all of what McGwire accomplished was because of his raw talent and work ethic. I don’t think steroids made him preform better, but that it may have made him preform at a high level longer during the season. Hell, it may have greatly shortened his career. The roids probably did the opposite, and caused more injury than it cured.
I was surprised by the reaction
No one had anything good to say about Mac. They were all jealous. I bet Ken Rosenthal has never even hit a baseball much less a homerun.
What is the difference
between performing better and performing at a high level longer during the season?
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Costas just said there were no limits or parameters to the interview.
That’s pretty ballsy on Mac’s part.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
oh noes!
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
FUCK
/sorry az
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 11, 2010 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
I think we all know that he is going to be back
oh shit
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 11, 2010 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
I'll bet Tony has already called him.
And no offense…..but it wouldn’t be Spring in STL (at least in the last ten years) without the question, “What’s going on with Ankiel?”
* is an Asshat
The Yankee-gasm will be epic to witness.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 11, 2010 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
MLB Network Analysts
Are kind of being penises… Thank you Harold for reigning them in. I thought Mark’s apology went as well as it could’ve.
In what St. Louis Cardinals manager Tony La Russa called a "big day" for his club, starter Chris Carpenter took the mound for his first session of live batting practice and promptly buzzed the fuzz on catcher Jason LaRue’s chin with an errant fastball.
"Sorry," Carpenter called from the mound.
"Don’t say you’re sorry," LaRue barked back.
"He said it," pitching coach Dave Duncan said from the side of the cage, "but he didn’t mean it."
~ DG
yeah I agree with this
these guys are not having it. i think that’s weird. this is clearly the best “coming out” of any of the other guys who’ve had to do it.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
The guy comes out and admits he took steroids
Even though there was no evidence he did.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 11, 2010 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
exactly.
he’s the only one doing it just because. all the other jerks just did it because they got caught.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
Mac's just doing it for the job.
That’s the crap they keep saying.
He already has the job. He did this for himself, his family, and his team.
I think.
* is an Asshat
If what they are trying to say
is he’s doing this so that he’s not a distraction at his job then I agree with them. Otherwise they’re all asshats.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
no, they're just all asshats
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
I didn't see the interview
as I was busy watching a random Nova-Louisville game, but the tone I heard seemed to make it sound they were less than desirable to listen to.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Just turn on mlb
they keep rerunning it. I haven’t actually seen the interview yet, just the *’s.
* is an Asshat
by RiverRat on Jan 11, 2010 10:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I sadly don't have MLB Network...
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
i watched in on mlb.com
i’m sure it’s still there
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
I sure am glad the audio doesn't work on this laptop
but hey, Mark sure does look good. Seriously, is that just makeup or does he look younger than when he stopped playing? Put a little dye on that goat tea and get back out there and hit some dingers Big Mac!
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jan 11, 2010 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
he's had some work done, he's had to right?
i’m surprised he didn’t fix his neck. i hope mine doesn’t look that bad when i’m his age. i had uber bad acne from hell when i was younger & i still have bad breakouts now. i love my genes, i really do
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
After looking at some photos of him from the Congressional hearings,
I think it was just heavy pancake makeup. They do that to gingers, you know.
Now with extra feisty!
i've never been on tv, but i assume they have to
we don’t reflect well against bright lights
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
you'd think more people would want to be gingers
then with positives like that. that’s more slimming than any little black dress evar made
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Even though I DON'T have red hair
I’m paler than most red head I know. Except this one dude I played basketball with the other day. There isn’t a word in the English language to describe how bright his hair and skin were.
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 11, 2010 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
This may be the best zinger about my hair on VEB yet
good on ya
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 12, 2010 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
gdm'ish
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
i think you mean
you love your genetics
i’m sorry, “hastening”?
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Jan 11, 2010 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
no, no i do not
besides the awesome acne*, my metabolism is shit, i have horrible allergies, i’m unattractive to all females because of my gingerness, i could go on, but it’s best i stop here
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
it's okay
i was just making fun of mark mcgwire’s tenuous grasp of the english language
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Jan 12, 2010 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
i wondered were you were going with that
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
he referenced
on multiple occasions the “genetics” that his parents gave him
and once dude asked him if the implementation of drug testing in 2002 had a hastening effect on his retirement after 2001. he said, “i’m sorry, ‘hastening’?”
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Jan 12, 2010 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
right right right right
he made a lot of grammar gaffe’s in that interview
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
i heard
he was using IEDs (interview enhancing drugs)
and they give you the cotton mouth like a mofo. a bit of the munchies, too.
so i’ve been told, at least
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Jan 12, 2010 12:36 AM EST up reply actions
too soon
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Just went to look at it.
20 seconds in I think, “DAMN! He does look good!”
"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is ALBERT when I lay my vengeance upon thee." -The Bible
by Cardinals645 on Jan 12, 2010 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
Ken Rosenthal
Is he simply in sheer denial, or does he actually believe the thing that he is saying
That question’s not loaded.
*
* is an Asshat
No not a distraction.....
Direct quote “he’s only doing it to get back on the field.”
* is an Asshat
And didn't they all say
until someone comes out and admits it by themselves there isn’t any real honest person from that era? It’s sickening.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
And you see where that got him...
the lesson as always kids… Lie. Lie like your life depends on it… That’s two awful Caminiti jokes in one nite… I’m practically sprinting to hell.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
in fairness, a-rod's had the artistic element going for it, since it was mostly bullshit.
if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus
And no one wants
an angry centaur on their hands…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Why does he feel so bad? Says the MLB analyst
Maybe because steroids ruined his legacy and are keeping him out of the hall.
because its good pr
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
They Weren't Listening
To the part where he had kept this from even his wife, apparently. Everyone closest to him is disappointed in him, twelve years after he saved baseball. If you can’t figure out why he’s anguished, you should be fired and replaced with a computer.
In what St. Louis Cardinals manager Tony La Russa called a "big day" for his club, starter Chris Carpenter took the mound for his first session of live batting practice and promptly buzzed the fuzz on catcher Jason LaRue’s chin with an errant fastball.
"Sorry," Carpenter called from the mound.
"Don’t say you’re sorry," LaRue barked back.
"He said it," pitching coach Dave Duncan said from the side of the cage, "but he didn’t mean it."
~ DG
ha, exactly.
he’s anguished because he knows it changes how everyone thinks of him and his baseball reputation will forever be tarnished, regardless of whether the roids actually enhanced his performance or not.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
hell yes Reynolds
I’m not a huge fan of Harold, but I feel his analysis of the interview and his disagreement with the MLB anchors is dead on
I want to read JC Bradbury's recent aging article there
by vivaelpujols on Jan 11, 2010 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
You know there's been a lot of chatter...
recently and it’s mostly his fault.
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
Also,
before you comment or criticize, please keep in mind he’s an economist.
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
This is basically what I read
“Let’s put shit into a regression and see what happens”
by vivaelpujols on Jan 11, 2010 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry
I hit that as i was leaving the office earlier.
He does a nice job outlining some of the inherent drawbacks to such a study, while being only constructively critical of some prior approaches (the time-honored “I’m just standing on the shoulders of giants” way of saying “I just improved on what came before” – which works, even when you recognize it happening), then effectively outlines his own dataset approaches and its limitations. He paraphrases the statistical model, but links to the published version. I’ll check it out tonight and, if it’s not too dense for one night, give you a postscript.
Sorry to have been abrupt there. But whoever told you he was just data mining / regression tossing was misrepresenting what he did, and the fact that he articulates a good rationale for the choice of approach he took.
I've read his original peices, and if I'm not mistaken he just fit a quadratic model over the data
He doesn’t address the points of sample bias effectively, which is the biggest flaw in his study.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 12, 2010 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
First time I've seen it
so I can’t speak to that. I’d need to read the peer-reviewed article.
I've read it
it’s good, at first pass. I intend to give the full journal article a read thru this weekend. (Anything to wheedle an advantage for my keeper league fantasy baseball team!)
Some if the commenters on the BP site are whiffing on the article, BTW.
.
i just took a screenshot of it
should be able to download it here
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
why not just copy and paste to a google doc
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 11, 2010 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
there's graphs
wasnt sure how to include those
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
Resident malcontented betamale
I'm sure I'm repeating things
that have been said many times here but I can’t wade through all 800 plus posts. I’ve never been a big fan of Mark Mcgwire and I hated the Mcgwire era with the Cardinals. I found it dull. However, I’m glad for him that he did this and I hope he doesn’t stop here. I really do think that he’s a decent guy and I hope he’ll try to make up for what he did. He was vilified for his performance in front of Congress but let’s look at that. The reason he looked so lame was that he refused to actually lie about steroids like the others on the stand. If he had admitted at that time it would have been a media and legal frenzy. He would have been put in the position of naming others. He would have been attacked by literally everybody including the players’ union, the commissioner (odd isn’t it that they are really the guilty parties?), Congress and the media. He tacitly did admit to taking steroids with his refusal to talk about the past but he did protect himself legally by not actually lieing. He did something wrong that hundreds of other ball players did. They were all wrong but I still maintain that MLB, the media and us, the fans, set the stage for the steroids era. Mcgwire is due his criticism but I think there are worse culprits out there; Bud Selig, Don Fehr and those players who actually lied to Congress and to us.
As far as the Hall of Fame goes McGwire was a borderline candidate anyway. Even in his record setting year he didn’t help the Cardanals win that many games. They were under .500 in games he hit home runs and even under .500 in games he hit multiple homers. Factor in the PEDS and he wasn’t anywhere near HOF material.
He may be , however, a redeemably decent guy which is why I hope he doesn’t stop here and why I hope we give him a chance to find redemption. Let’s see where this goes. If he makes excuses for himself or sloughs it off then I’ll think more poorly of him. If he sticks with it and campaigns against PED use in a non self serving way then I’ll give him my forgiveness and respect.
Does it really matter whether or not Mark acknowledges steriods helping him out
It’s just his opinion, at least he gave us the facts. I’m not going to get angry at the guy because of his opinions as long as he isn’t hiding any facts from me.
they just won't let that go, will they?
I actually agree with McGwire, and if he used as low of doses as he said, then it may not have enhanced his abilities all that much. although he comes off as being very uneducated on the impacts of steroids, so could he have been taking more than he thought he was taking… possibly.
His opinions aren’t important, it’s the fact that he admitted his “crime” and he feels remorse that is important.
I'm annoyed at the fact that they keep talking about jump in HRs McGwire hit
and how that’s obviously due to steroids. Roger Maris never hit more than 39 HRs in his ENTIRE career, save for the 61 season. And no one questions Maris’ achievement. I don’t get this. The difference between hitting 50 and hitting 70 doesn’t seem that big to me, maybe just because so few can hit 50 in the first place.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
i closed the window as soon as ken starting talking
i suggest everyone do the same
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
i fucking hate rosenthal.
sorry mods, but swearing is a necessity when discussing that asshat.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
he's the joker of asshats in the kingdom of "journalists" that rule the media
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
what dicks are those morons on the mlb network..
i agree with you, they kept talking about the HR record. rubbed them the wrong way he didn’t admit a link between the two…
when Mac answered the question the first time i thought oh-oooh, that will not go over well, god given ability etc. i personally think he should have thrown them a bone and said the andro might have contributed to my power but it is not a steroid and it was not illegal and everyone who wanted could take it. those hits would have still been homeruns, maybe 50 ft shorter, but they still would have been out of the park because i know how to hit the ball. that would have shut them up.
those assholes though, they wouldn’t stop trying to put words in his mouth. he said he took low dose, they should give him the benefit of the doubt, none of them has any kind of proof so they should just let it go already. geeez. i wanted to punch each and everyone in the face, one of them repeatedly
which is why i stopped watching
i knew they & the rest of the media assclowns would rip him & i don’t want to see it. F them & their holy than thou bullshit
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Screw you, MLB Net talking heads
Are going to deny A-Rod your HOF vote when it comes around? Really?
Bite me.
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
by The Continental on Jan 11, 2010 8:42 PM EST reply actions
Wow
Didn’t click on your link but the sentence is pretty much dead on
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 11, 2010 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
yeah the link was just a link to his twitter account with the same tweet.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
worst case of backbiting in the media
since marv albert.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jan 11, 2010 9:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Some folks here
don’t like Bernie, but exposing myself, I usually find his stuff pretty good. Not being a journalist….Plus, my slow pitch teammate in Manila used to work on the beat with him in Mass before Bernie moved west.
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Jan 11, 2010 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
I like Bernie
I just wish that he always wrote to his potential.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jan 11, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
My view post-interview
Big Mac will always have controversy around him, even now that he’s admitted wrongdoing. People will criticize him, call him a cheater… you name it, they’ll say it.
I genuinely believe that Big Mac is remorseful for what he did. I believe that he was scared during the hearings and was unwilling to admit it then. I believe that by admitting his wrongdoing, he will get some of his reputation back. It won’t be a full-on “we forgive you”, but there will be many people who will forgive him.
I don’t buy that McGwire used steroids solely for health. I understand that he probably did use them for that purpose, but you wouldn’t use them for years just because of your health. Besides, you think he’d know that the steroids could enhance performance.
Nonetheless, it was good that he came out and said “I screwed up”. It’s just too bad that the 1998 home run chase turned out to be a steroid-induced fluke and Big Mac’s illustrious career had steroids involved for quite some time.
Like I said before, Big Mac was a big part of why I’m a Cards fan today. I am disappointed in what he did, and I had lost my respect for him five years ago, but I will gain it back. When I go to STL in July, and when I hear Big Mac’s name, I will stand and clap for the man who admitted that he used steroids and was genuinely sorry. That’s what Cardinals fans do.
Best moment I've ever seen at a Cards game in person
Follow me on Twitter: @zoomzoomj88
SIGN FELIPE LOPEZ & JOHN SMOLTZ!
i'm angry about the senseless loss of fungoes
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Jan 11, 2010 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
Franky is not a big name in the steroid circle
and McGwire, along with Bonds, was pretty much the center of it. SportsCenter did not have any breaking news saying that Franklin took steroids and had a bunch of reactions on it.
Best moment I've ever seen at a Cards game in person
Follow me on Twitter: @zoomzoomj88
SIGN FELIPE LOPEZ & JOHN SMOLTZ!
they had a lot of features on his beard, though.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Yet he tested positive for steroids, and was named in the Mitchell Report.
The moralizing over this shit has got to stop.
Now with extra feisty!
Part of me feels like Big Mac gave in...
Let’s be clear, the whole congressional committee “steroids in baseball” investigation circus act was, and is, an attempt at publicity and moralizing by some of the most loathsome people in the country- members of Congress.
Babe Ruth nearly killed himself with an injection of sheep’s testosterone. PED? That was the intent. Should he be thrown out of the HOF? Of course not.
The proliferation of medications used on modern athletes is staggering, and mostly legal. And the pressure to use illegal ones doesn’t come primarily from your fellow competitor, but from your handlers and bosses (the proverbial manager/agent/owner saying shape up or the next guys gonna take your job then turning a blind eye to how you go about shaping up).
And in the pressure cooker created by Congress, baseball owners, and the hoards of idiot baseball bandwagon writers, I can’t help but feel like Big Mac caved- and it probably was too much to think he might not. I, for one, was (am) proud of him for not taking part in the circus act when he was called before Congress (McGwire is effectively the anti-Canseco) 5 years ago.
And damnit, Tim Brown’s vitriolic garbage and all the other negative stuff written about Big Mac will not dampen my excitement about having him back in the fold. Big Mac Land stays!
by BustaCard on Jan 11, 2010 9:42 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Do you have a source for that bit about Ruth?
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
Reference
in this Nation article that cites a book, The Baseball Hall of Shame’s Warped Record Book by Bruce Nash, Allan Zullo and Bob Smith. Looks like I might have over dramatized the “nearly killed himself” part but it did make him sick.
From the article:
“This effort by more than a few athletes of his era to seek the healing and strengthening properties of testosterone prefigured the craze for steroids.”
can someone explain to me the situation w/ mcgwire's retirement?
I’m having trouble finding something about it. I remember that the Cardinals still owed him money and he refused to take it or something because he didn’t think he was worth it. Is that right? My ignorant asshat friend is calling McGwire a “scum bag,” and I think we all know that’s not true.
"I knew they were up to shenanigans." --TLR
yeah
he told them to take the money owed him and put it back into the team
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Jan 11, 2010 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
He also declined a big contract when he knew he couldn't really earn that money.
Now with extra feisty!
no he had a two year deal for $30Mil on the table & he walked away
kick your friend in the jibblets & ask him who’s the scum bag now
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
and here
it’s a bad transcript , but it tells a bit of the story
he signed a 2yr/30M extension, then retired and did not take the money.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jan 11, 2010 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
here's a link for those saying he waited too long
Apparently he wanted to come clean but he wasn’t given immunity so he didn’t do it. I really can’t blame him. Nobody is going to voluntarily face charges for a crime that the majority of his peers were also doing and getting away with.
"Sorry about him, he's dealing with being an inker. " - Chasing Amy
as far as my opinion
i think he single handedly saved baseball and i will also be thankful for him for that. like others he is the reason i became a big cards fan. i will continue to think of him as a classic greek tragedy. He was the hero that baseball needed and his sacrifice was doing what was needed.
as far as the mlb network “analysts” go, i think they should be a little more respectful considering big mac is a big part of the reason there IS a mlb network.
"Sorry about him, he's dealing with being an inker. " - Chasing Amy
by FutureMan on Jan 11, 2010 10:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Food for thought
I don’t believe that using steroids singlehandedly a hitter makes. It still takes talent and discipline to hit a baseball 375 feet let alone 542. First and foremost McGwire said he didn’t dabble in steroids until the 89/90 offseason. That means if he’s telling the truth, which we’re all assuming at this point he’s come completely clean, he set the single season home run record for a rookie without steroids at 49 in 1987 while with the A’s. That in itself screams that the man was a power hitter regardless. Let’s say steroids helped him get 83 over the wall. He still hit 500 home runs. Furthermore it’s not as if pitchers weren’t juicing during the era either. I’m not saying its right, it wasn’t, but he could hit a baseball with or without steroids. I’m still a fan and remember watching him when I was 13 years old. It was a great season regardless. (Minus the non playoff factor.)
by redbirddude on Jan 11, 2010 10:54 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Good post but...
I don’t believe that using steroids singlehandedly a hitter makes.
Yoda arrives!
Sorry, I had to.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Jan 11, 2010 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
In other news
Carpenter named ’09 Conigliaro winner
The award is presented each year to a Major League player who has overcome adversity through the attributes of spirit, determination and courage.
Yay for Chris!
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
That's BS...
What about Manny? Bud suspended him, he lost a ton of money, and the home fans booed him… all for simply being Manny. He came back with a heroic 250/350/450 line and lead his team to the playoffs where he went 9 for 32 with a double off Carp.
Manny!
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
I laughed.
esp given my sig.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Bullshit McGwire
you took steroids to hit HR’s dont you dare give us fans this bullshit that you took them for injuries
"Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I assure you, it's much more serious than that."
by Brandon Birkhead on Jan 11, 2010 11:01 PM EST reply actions
roid rage?
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
that's genuine disdain for McGwire?
I imagine McGwire wanted to use them for performance enhancing ,but to completely toss aside the injuries he had as a reason for taking them irks me a bit.
I am the Batman
No, I mean like what does that have to do with Cody's comment
by vivaelpujols on Jan 11, 2010 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
I thought he was being sarcastic in typical CodyG fashion.
So… Lindsey death stare!
C’mon!
Now with extra feisty!
great, we lost another girl
way to go boys
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
i thought it was clear i was as well dude
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Sheets to the Flubs...
Looks like a low base with incentives. Doesn’t seem like what they need, but it could work out…
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-12-cubs-sheets-jan12,0,7869164.story
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
should add...
it’s not a done deal.
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
Prior v. 2.0?
I crawled the earth, but now I'm higher, 2010 watch it go to fire!
by First mammal to wear pants on Jan 12, 2010 12:36 AM EST up reply actions
The only thing that's hasty...
is your pathetic fold in the face of her tough-girl routine. He might be a troll. Who knows?
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
Pre-trolling!
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
I thought it was hasty before posting it, the reception by spants made me uncertain even more.
I am the Batman
If he's not a troll...
his comment is troll-ish. Close enough for our purposes.
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
True.
I couldn’t resist messing with CodyG. I’m not promising I’ll never post another AD gif, but it won’t happen again tonight.
Now with extra feisty!
You're bullying...
someone who was born in 1991. You realize that right?
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
insta-BanUp!
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Jan 11, 2010 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
Rec
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 11, 2010 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
NEED MOAR ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 11, 2010 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
the "us" isn't going to endear you with, uh, us
I don’t know why it’s implausible that a guy who struggled way more with staying healthy (look at the years before he started taking them) than he did hitting home runs would be more concerned with the durability benefits than he would the way they made him even bigger than he already was.
And I don’t know, further, why one is worse than the other—in each scenario he’s getting ahead and putting up bigger numbers than he otherwise would by taking advantage of steroids.
to hit home runs...
and to recover from injuries is the same thing.
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
SC is running clips of the interview if anyone is interested
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
it's also on the interbutts in full
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Jan 11, 2010 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
I doubt if baseball would have just disappeared without mcgwire and sosa
but they sure made mlb a lot of $
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 11, 2010 11:36 PM EST reply actions
It might be closer to where hockey is today
Still struggling to recover from the players union strike.
by purple_haze on Jan 11, 2010 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
The chase is what pushes me over the edge wrt McGwire and the Hall
I see both sides of the debate, but it’s his impact on the game that make me believe he deserves in
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 11, 2010 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
hoo boy I'm gettin hot and bothered!
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
Fail!
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
IT WAS COLD!!!!
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
It's not a half-shirt!
He and Eckstein got their laundry switched that day.
The pic of Eckstein in the knee-length Cardinals dress is floating around here somewhere.
by siddfynch on Jan 12, 2010 12:14 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
And a high-collared half-shirt as well.
Nonononononono.
by peach concrete on Jan 12, 2010 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly. Make a decision Jimmy.
No turtleneck or full turtleneck. Full shirt or no shirt. Commit.
by peach concrete on Jan 12, 2010 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
why aren't we using matty's fantshot? this thread is slow as a mofo
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Too many dumb ani-gifs
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
by guayzimi on Jan 12, 2010 12:05 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
come to the other thread, it haz waffles
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
1096 intelligent comments, 3 moving gifs,
and picture to set your hear afire…
now that’s a thread!
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
I know you don't like the gifs,
but this is probably the first time I posted a gif other than the beating-a-dead-horse gif, which is a classic.
Now with extra feisty!
post whatever gifs you want spants
don’t let the gif terrorist win
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
every day that ends in a Y is special
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
programing note:
in 28 minutes the food network will air their special on the bacons
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME ANYONE HAS MADE THIS JOKE
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Jan 12, 2010 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
i have anger management issues
hug?
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Jan 12, 2010 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
Please read
the previous 1,108 comments before commenting. Repetition can be tedious, like these damned moving gifs people keep posting…
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
i, for one,
will be pissed if the cubs land sheets
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
I hear he's looking for much more.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 12, 2010 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
I'm sure he's looking for 12M or something equally outrageous.
Anyone want to wager internet dollars for what he signs for?
I say he signs for 6M with incentives up to 10M.
Now with extra feisty!
That sound almost palatable...
but I’m farkin’ nervous about starting pitchers with injuries, I’m not sure I really want him anyway.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 12, 2010 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
Seems like you guys...
have enough high-risk, high-reward in the rotation.
Garland?
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
Washburn is pretty consistent...
pretty much 2 wins guaranteed.
Whats he asking?
by purple_haze on Jan 12, 2010 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
Cubs are looking at incentive based deals.
I read on some MLBTR post that he denied a team a medical report, suggesting that he wants to be signed as if he doesn’t have medical issues…
by purple_haze on Jan 12, 2010 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
Hell freaking no.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 12, 2010 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
because I felt like making a monologue.
Hendry: what do you mean you won’t let us give you a medical examine
Sheets:I’m self-conscious
Hendry: well I’ll forgive for that, boy I can remember the days in highschoo
SHeets: (interrupts)yeah getting back to my contract, I want 12M guaranteed for four years
Hendry: What? that’s preposterous
Sheets: I promise I’ll do really really good, and try my bestest
Hendry: hmmmm, give me a moment
Sheets: of course
Hendry:(strokes chin looking very pensive) you say you’ll try your best
Sheets:yes sir
Hendry: and your injuries are all gone?
Sheets:Yes sir
Hendry: how does five years and $11.5M sound?
Sheets: that’s a mighty fine offer, I’ll take it!
Sheets and Hendry high five each other on what is surely going to be a success.
I am the Batman
I call shenanigans...
all you did was edit Hendry’s convo with Bradley last offseason and change the names and $/years.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jan 12, 2010 12:42 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
danup
you are not
"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~
by YesWeOquendo on Jan 12, 2010 12:42 AM EST up reply actions
"I Am Not, I Was Bored: A Tale of Teenage Baseball Fandom and .gif Obsession"
by CodyG.
Now with extra feisty!
he stole the bacon thing from me, everyone also knows that
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
"My Second Memoir: How I've Ripped off gdm, and how I will Continue to do So"
by CodyG
"There's a lot of things we say that don't make sense to our viewers. Okay, primarily me." ~Al Hrabosky~