Aroldis Chapman and low-hanging fruit updates
by DanUpBaby on Jan 11, 2010 4:50 AM EST
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PrintOkay, anyone feel bad about the Aroldis Chapman signing?
I'm not saying I wouldn't take him; he immediately becomes the Cardinals' "top prospect", I'd imagine, and I'm hard-pressed to imagine a situation in which a left-handed pitcher with a 98 mph fastball becomes less than, say, an overpaid set-up reliever for five years. But Chapman at the full, non-draft price—I'll spare you the de rigueur comparison to Strasburg, but yeah, seriously, how much would Strasburg get if he were Cuban?—seems like a steep price to pay for a level of certainty that is somewhere between Wagner Mateo, at $4 million, and a top draft prospect, especially when the signing team is losing out on those wonderful cost-controlled pre-arb years.
That said—I kind of like Jocketty's off-season so far, in its small-scale way. Extending Rolen was a cheap, low-maintenance move that apparently increased their financial flexibility in the near-term, and it now has the added benefit of solidifying the defense for a front-line of Johnny Cueto, Homer Bailey, Aroldis Chapman, and (eventually) Edinson Volquez. It's not enough, but the remaining hole at shortstop—presuming, perhaps unwisely, that Dusty Baker will know when to quit with Willy Taveras—is so big that any incremental improvement at all would be welcome. (And they, like us, will continue to wait for their superprospect outfielder to put it all together with the bat.)
That said: they're a few years away, and the Cardinals, having just spent $120 trillion on Matt Holliday, were not the market. I think we're only allowed a certain quota of offseason excitement, anyway. But the Reds' shortstop situation, while simultaneously both more severe and less important, mirrors a few of the problems the Cardinals needed to address going into this offseason. How have they done?
Left Field: I'm pleased with this solution. Holliday was great, outstanding, even, and he probably won't be quite so great or outstanding next year. But even after he came in the Cardinals' final totals in left were .263/.339/.437. (Worse yet, that was still the second best line of any position, with Schumaker and the second basemen placing a strong third.) It is impossible to overstate just how bad Chris Duncan was for much of the season.
Center Field: I hate to Go Here, but Cardinals center fielders hit just .248/.301/.401 in 2009. Part of the blame can again be foisted on Rick Ankiel, who hit .246/.297/.389 in 203 of the position's 634 at-bats, but Rasmus's 416 weren't much more impressive (.245/.300/.409). (The other at-bats belong to Shane Robinson (1-2), Skip Schumaker (4-9), Ryan Ludwick (0-2), and Tyler Greene (0-2), because you were wondering.)
This was, admittedly, not a difficult hole to fill for 2010—I don't think anyone but Rick Ankiel is particularly loath to give Rasmus a year for his bat to adjust as well as his glove did, and in the meantime the Cardinals can just allow Shane Robinson to continue hitting .500.
Third Base: Cardinals third basemen actually hit nearly as bad as Cincinnati shortstops last year—just .229/.292/.369—even worse than their pinch hitters managed after sitting on the bench for most of 136 games. Adrian Beltre might have been nice, for $10 million, but for $400,000 David Freese seems like a basically average candidate. And he'd better be: this is one of those rare instances in which a playoff-caliber team has a chance at filling a replacement-level hole. Those two wins should be easy pickings, even if the budget doesn't even allow for Joe Crede.
Fifth Starter: This one still worries me a little. I love Jaime Garcia, who seems to have been ready to pitch at a Major League level since he got into everyone's prospect consciousness as a nineteen year-old, but ideally the fix for Todd Wellemeyer's 21 miserable starts—fruit hanging only slightly higher than Joe Thurston's year as a starting third baseman—would not be stacked entirely atop Garcia's new elbow ligament.
The Cardinals will be getting more and presumably better starts from Kyle Lohse, but they'll be losing a lot of good ones, too—Christy Mathewson won't be making his 32 starts in 2009, and it's difficult to expect Chris Carpenter and Adam Wainwright ever pitching better or more frequently than they did in 2009. If the Cardinals have money left, one more flier—Ben Sheets? John Smoltz?—to fill out the inevitable gaps in this thin rotation seems like the best way to spend it. I'm all for giving the kids a chance, but the worst case scenario is that somebody like BEN SHEETS pitches so well that Jaime Garcia spends a full year in Memphis—where he's made 16 starts to this point—at 23. (Or, I suppose, that BEN SHEETS fails to send you his medical records.)
The 2009 Cardinals had a surprising number of big, easily fillable holes on the roster. Now that we don't have to watch them bat one after the other anymore, this is a good thing.
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It was funny to read a PD article talking about how Holliday said he was working hard this offseason on his fielding. I guess a shot to the plumbs and early exit from the post-season will make you rethink things a bit.
I’m curious if the Cards will look at adding someone like Russ Springer as a veteran right hander in case Garcia/anonymous 5th starter needs to be replaced with Boggs/Hawk.
by CardsFanSmikema on Jan 11, 2010 5:08 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Gaw!
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 11, 2010 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
....stab
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
the first couple of paragraphs of this post are really confusingly written
I had to read the whole thing twice through to discern that Chapman had not, in fact, signed with the Cardinals.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
Seconded.
I had gotten the tweet that he went to the Reds and all of a sudden I was very confused, though intrigued.
by mynameistyler on Jan 11, 2010 6:31 AM EST up reply actions
I can see how it would be confusing if you didn't know he signed with the Reds
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 11, 2010 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
their labyrinthine nature was fun to absorb
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Jan 11, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
perhaps danup still reeling from momup's dirt cups dig
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
He did get mildly mom-pwned
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
I think we'll be alright at the Hot Corner
Simply because we have so many options with upside. I believe firmly that David Freese can put up a .660 OPS at the MLB level right now, and if he can’t, I believe firmly that Allen Craig can handle the position, and likely hit even better than Freese. Then you have the possibility of continuing the Mather-as-a-3B experiment. Remember Superman? Joey Bombs? Guy can hit, best plate discipline among them. Backup-backup plans: Tyler Greene, Julio Lugo… eh.
In what St. Louis Cardinals manager Tony La Russa called a "big day" for his club, starter Chris Carpenter took the mound for his first session of live batting practice and promptly buzzed the fuzz on catcher Jason LaRue’s chin with an errant fastball.
"Sorry," Carpenter called from the mound.
"Don’t say you’re sorry," LaRue barked back.
"He said it," pitching coach Dave Duncan said from the side of the cage, "but he didn’t mean it."
~ DG
A .660 OPS is really bad
unless he’s getting on base at like a .380 clip and slugging .280…
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 11, 2010 8:34 AM EST up reply actions
I say .660
Because that’s what we got from the position last year. Sure, we could use an upgrade, but we won the division with that. Honestly I think Freese can hit something like .270/.330/.450 next year and play above average D.
In what St. Louis Cardinals manager Tony La Russa called a "big day" for his club, starter Chris Carpenter took the mound for his first session of live batting practice and promptly buzzed the fuzz on catcher Jason LaRue’s chin with an errant fastball.
"Sorry," Carpenter called from the mound.
"Don’t say you’re sorry," LaRue barked back.
"He said it," pitching coach Dave Duncan said from the side of the cage, "but he didn’t mean it."
~ DG
that's all true
and I agree with the Freese projection there, but what we got from 3B last year is immaterial – we really need to do considerably better than that.
We got something like 15 WAR from our 3 best starters last year, and that’s not going to happen again. The Cubs had a bunch of injuries and players under-performing last year, and that’s probably not going to happen again. I really don’t think the .660 OPS should be the benchmark!
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 11, 2010 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
We Should Get an Upgrade...
…to the tune of about .720 – .750 OPS, IMO, which is really all we need, as long as the leather work is good. Freese is capable of an OPS in that range, as well as good D, so I am not worried either. 5th starter still worries me a bit, but I am ok with 3rd, for the mooment.
:=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
Not as bullish on Freese
I’m guessing he might be closer to .255/.305/.440
I’m all for giving him a shot, though.
shots are the last thing you wanna give Freese
Hey-O!!!
by mattyp on Jan 11, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
where do i get in line for that?
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Jan 11, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
first you have to slide through this grit.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I did that...
in 5th grade… When you’re 4’11, 100 lbs, that’s your upside.
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
Remaining Hot Stove Priorities
1) Low-Cost, High-Upside Fifth Starter (my preference is Smoltz).
2) Sidekick for Franklin the Closer; that is, a righty late innings arm who can moonlight as a closer when Franklin needs a rest.
3) Bench.
4) Third Base.
My hope is that we can get a starter soon, for a fair price, and then, if we are lucky, have a righty reliever fall into our laps on a contract similar to that of Reyes and Miller last offseason.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Move the stuff in parentheses in 1 down to 2, and then change "sidekick" for "replacement"
I’d co-sign on that!
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 11, 2010 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
I'd agree with this on the whole
my first preference is to sign smoltz, as I feel he can satisfy number 1) for the regular season, then slide to fill number 2) for Sept/October, if things play out well for us. My next priority would be the bench looking at a defensive/OBP-minded OF (DanUp’s Endy Chavez rec was very intriguing to me the other day), and/or a Crede signing for LaRue-dollars (not sure if likely/possible).
I don’t expect any 3B signings because of the wealth of “average to below avg” guys we have available (Freese on top, then Craig, T. Greene, Mather, Lugo, Gotay—probably in that order).
/aside: I’d love to get an update on Joey Bombs’ and the wrist. Anyone heard anything?
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Jan 11, 2010 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
Chavez perked up my ears, as well.
I wonder what type of deal he will get.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
league min I'd guess
Maybe $1m at the most.
I really don’t see the attraction in Endy Chavez, because he is Jon Jay. .300 career wOBA; that’s pretty horrendous. Guys like Jay and even Shane Robinson have a good shot at being + CFers or ++ LF/RFers, and it really doesn’t take much (specifically, a poor OBP and an egregious SLG) to put up a .300 wOBA. Given we’ve already got pretty good defense, I’d rather try and find someone who can vaguely hit to sit on the bench.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 11, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
i'm sure you have a lot of vidoes
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
+100
This is exactly my order as well, although specifically my bench would be back-up CF who can hit lefties/not plod around in the field like a pregnant Holstein on skates.
:=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
Ha, ha
But otherwise, Holsteins are so productive!
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Jan 11, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
Khalil Greene signs with Rangers
He got a one-year, $750K deal to be the Texas utility infielder. I wish him the best of luck.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
Shoot.
I did a search for “Khalil Greene” before I posted it, and thought I was in the clear. Was it posted under one of his VEB pseudonyms?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
it's been posted in the last two front page threads AND the hot stove thread, from memory.
it’s certainly been posted at least twice. I dunno how the search system works on SBN…
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 11, 2010 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
I almost always use google first when searching sites...
depends on the web server which search engine is being used and MS’s can be janky (especially in sharepoint).
site:www.website.com keywords
ex. site:vivaelbirdos.com midgets
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
I think you got SBN'd
all three posts use the link and/or his full name. did you try the comments tab?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 11, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
i used KBot
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
For those who believe in "clutch"
A study has shown perception can change based on how much they desired an object.
Also how well you are performing changes your perception of the size of the goal. Michael Jordan used to say the hoop would look giant when he was “in the zone”.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Jan 11, 2010 8:54 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I read more about psychology than I do my actual job (IT)
I have a handful of blogs I follow religiously, mindhacks being the main one.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
If the first one is true
why isn’t Jordan a better gambler? Kidding, KIDDING!
Really good stuff though — I’ve seen links to that mind hacks site three times in the last month from the various blogs that I read. I think I’ll have to put it on the list of dailies that I have. Any others you would recommend?
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
< ignore "KIDDING">
Technically, that link showed worse performance when the participants cared about the outcomes. Don’t tell JD Drew.
< / ignore "KIDDING">
by brackenthebox on Jan 11, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
That might explain JD Drew's entire career
Apparently not giving a shit is a positive thing — who knew?
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Matt Kemp agrees with this philosophy
And it apparently also leads to dating Rihanna, which really makes me want to stop caring.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
But does it make you want to stop caring?
Aring? Aring? Eh? Eh? Eh?
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 12, 2010 5:52 AM EST up reply actions
In the Zone
I don’t think any other position on the field besides a pitcher could get In the Zone. I would the was people get “In The Zone” is through repetition .
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 11, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
Albert resides there.
* is an Asshat
by RiverRat on Jan 11, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
he was conceived, born lives & will rule forever there
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Any number of hitters,
from Schmidt, to Brett, to Gwynn have reported that when they’re hitting well, the ball appears to be larger. I think that qualifies as “in the zone”.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
that's exactly what I was thinking.
“seeing the ball well”.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
I think the real over/under
is when Dusty tells him to get off the computer cause the typing is causing his arm problems…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
i think
it’s unrealistic to expect him to be a big league pitcher this season. he’s just a prospect. that contract my make them push him to the show before he’s ready, but i still doubt it’s this year. the dude is no stephen strasburg, that’s for sure. hell, based on everything i’ve read, he’s no rick porcello either. $30MM is a little wtf
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
I would take Chapman in a heart beat over Porcello
Dude is a lefty that throws 98mph. That is Randy Johnson territory.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 11, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed.
Not saying Chapman would turn out like Johnson, but that’s probably his ceiling right there.
Now with extra feisty!
put only with a new pitching coach, i don't trust Dave around him
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
I think it's a bad idea to just decide he's awesome because he's a lefty and throws hard and Randy Johnson did that, too
It’s also Matt Thornton territory.
Porcello is ALREADY an above-average ML-caliber pitcher at 21 years old. I’ll take him every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Who knows what Chapman will be.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
I don't think Porcello is above average more like below average
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 11, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
he's around average
he’s also 21 and can take down youk
gimme porcello
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Alright, I'll concede he's close to average, at least
Nonetheless, he’s a viable major league arm with enormous upside and a sexy GB%. I’ll take Rick.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
base unclogger extaordinaire.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 11, 2010 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
Hey now
Jeff Francouer thinks Taveras is a good table setter for a big rally…
"Haywood leads the league in all offensive categories, including nose hair. When this guy sneezes, he looks like a party favor." - Harry Doyle
by Futility Infielder on Jan 11, 2010 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
Jeff Francouer's...
unfamiliarity with big rallies is quite evident.
by mynameistyler on Jan 11, 2010 10:58 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Paul Rogers (Tribune) does win shares comparison
I was kinda shocked to see this in this Sunday’s Chicago Tribune, but it’s an interesting comparison:
“For comparison’s sake, group eight starters in the field, four starting pitchers and the best four relievers from each team. Then evaluate them strictly on their 2009 performance based on Bill James’ measure of Win Shares. The Cardinals are at 230, led by Pujols’ best-in-the-game rating of 39 and Holliday’s 25.
The Brewers are at 180, thanks to the contributions from Ryan Braun and Prince Fielder, along with valuable pitching additions Randy Wolf and LaTroy Hawkins — and Melvin probably will add at least one more arm from baseball’s overstocked bargain bin.
The Cubs total a meager 166, with Derrek Lee (24) and new center fielder Marlon Byrd (20) the most valued players."
The Cubs value will go up assuming Aramis Ramirez plays a full year.
If the Cubs have a healthier season in 2010 than in 2009,
I fear that they will compete for the division title.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
+1
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 11, 2010 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
^∞
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 11, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
And another rec.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Jan 11, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
I just flag'd myself for knowing that
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
Lohan pre drugs and anorexia or whatever she's had going on as of late
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
That movie is totally awesome
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
i still haven't seen it
it’s not totally awesome till gdm puts his seal of approval on it
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
no i have not
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
i thought it was a calculus joke
=/
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
I like my math how I like my women
Easy and at a high school level
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 11, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions 9 recs
I'm just going to reply
to this thread just to be here when the “knights in shining armor” show up trying to woo the 2 women of this board with their classiness on their noble steeds.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Jan 11, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You don't know how long I have been holding on to that joke
Waiting for a conversation about math to come up. It has been like 3 days.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 11, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
Rec for truth
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 11, 2010 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
all the women on VEB are taken, there's no one to woo
jerk
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
they do other things too.
follow me on twitter @nickg105
by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 11, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
i wouldn't know i don't watch bad movies
OH
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
But they're the Cubs?
Sadly this is true. At least it might make the end of the season interesting.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Jan 11, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
win shares???
what is this, 1986?
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 11, 2010 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
/hums “inbetween days”
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
by tom s. on Jan 11, 2010 11:35 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Have you heard Ben Folds' cover of that?
It’s pretty awesome
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 11, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
nope. must find it then.
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
Because I have nothing better to do with my time
here it is
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
oh mlbtr.
First off, our pals at the Crawfish Boxes draw a parallel with Julio Lugo and Brett Myers.
secondly…. why does anyone want to join the Nationals? “Free-agent pitcher Doug Davis said Sunday night he would like to play for the Nationals and help their young pitching staff, but he doesn’t think he will play in Washington. Why? He was informed that the team had to address other needs such as finding a second baseman.” – Mothership
(also, hey Doug Davis… your quotes are unintentionally funny sometimes.)
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Can't be good for your confidence
If the Nats don’t even want you, then again, look at Felipe Lopez :P
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
maybe they read that he wants to help young pitchers in his own special way.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 11, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
Mmmm
“Hey Strasburg, wanna see my curve?”
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
that's the one.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
nats
could very well have a winning record this year
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Nah, not yet
Still too many holes for me to consider it. Next year when they have a more developed Strasburg, Jordan Zimmerman back from TJ, and a few more holes are filled, then I can believe in them.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
nats
their offense is productive, their rotation will be serviceable and young, and they have a handful of good-awesome defenders. unfortunately they have a gaping defensive hole from ss around to 1b unless moving cristian guzman over is good enough at 2b. also pudge sucks.
Indeed
Too many holes, otherwise, they have the franchise player, a good pitching staff when healthy (Excluding Lannan, not as good as illustrated), and they may get Bryce Harper next draft.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Lannan's OK
he’s just a 4th/5th SP on a decent team, not an ace…
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 12, 2010 5:54 AM EST up reply actions
ooohkay. Sauks news
Daisuke hid groin injury … from before the WBC
1. Scott Boras
2. There’s some huge, huge cultural gaps there. I’m not sure Boston understands how guilt-complexes work in most of Asia.
3. Do the Red Sox talk to their pitchers? At all? If they were replaced with roving zombies would they just say Oh, that’s Tim Wakefield?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Eh yo brah, yo link be broken
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
rar. i'm too old for multitasking.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Jan 11, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know about Chapman...
he better be the real deal. They’re basically getting a good, young, cost-controlled pitcher, without the cost control. Let’s assume the following best-case scenario:
2010: minors ($5 mill)
2011: 2 war ($5 mill)
2012: 3 war ($5 mill)
2013: 4 war ($5 mill)
2014: 4 war ($5 mill)
2015: 4 war (Unknown player option or arbitration, ($8 mill)
2016: 5 war (Arbitration, $10 mill)
Free agency
That’s $43 million – discount 20% for deferrals and backloading – say $35 million. For 22 WAR, that’s pretty good. If he misses time with an injury, or if he spends multiple years in the minors on his current contract, they’ll quickly find themselves paying close to market value…. and that’s if he pans out.
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
i think the deal's probably about fair
maybe a slight overpay, if anything.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 11, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
30M on one lottery ticket
or basically buy themselves an extra high upside draft pick each of the next 6 years by taking a player with high salary demands.
I’ll take 6 lotto tickets, thank you.
Think; It's not illegal yet.
that's why they are the reds
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Calcaterra's take:
…the payments are spread out over ten years, with his salary for 2010 being a mere $1 million. (John) Fay (of the Cincinnati Inquirer) says that “the first year it will be a major burden on the big league budget is 2014.”
I suppose there are two ways to look at this. Given their presumed financial constraints, it’s probably a good thing that they’re delaying the pain of this contract, such as it is, until guys like Aaaron Harang and Bronson Arroyo are off the payroll. On the other hand, if Chapman does turn out to be a bust, it will be a total bummer when he exercises that option and the team still has to write checks to his ineffective butt circa 2014.
Free Melodi Dushane
I think it's even worse than you're letting on.
The Yanks only paid $16M more for the same number of years for Kei Igawa ($26M posting fee, $20M contract), and he hasn’t done shit to the point where they spent $243.5M to upgrade their rotation in two spots last year.
- That was that Yankees, who used to throw money around stupidly.
- That was in a 2006 market in which Dice-K cost $102M, Jeremy Bonderman cost $38M, and Alfonso Soriano cost $136M. Let’s just say, this isn’t that market.
- He’s probably spending at least a season and more than likely part of another in the minors, so you’re essentially paying him $30M for 3.5 years of work. Better hope he’s good.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
I heard it was a 5 year/$25M contract with 6th yr option of $5
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 11, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
Player option for a 6th year at $5M more I guess
I still don’t think it’s a very good deal for the Reds, honestly. They could spend that money on third starters each year for the next 6 and at least be positive that they’re going to get some production out of it. It’s a high risk/high reward move.
Jocketty looks to be hitting the Latin market hard — this is the second one he’s signed this year.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
the player option makes it a worse contract for the Reds, right?
by brackenthebox on Jan 11, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
well it is $5M less but a player option is like a worst case scenario
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 11, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
That player option is terrible
Best case he declines it and gets a huge contract.
Worst case he sucks at black hole levels and they have to pay him $5M in 2014.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
It's only $5M less if he's worth less than $5M on the open market in year 6
so ya, it makes the worst case scenario worse and doesn’t improve the upside.
by brackenthebox on Jan 11, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
i don't agree with that
Instead of a 5 year/$30 it is a 6 year/$30M at worst. So at worst you get another year.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 11, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
It's 5/25 guaranteed...
with a sixth year player option in 2015 (not 2014 as above). That’s just a salary floor. If he ends up in middle relief, or washes out completely, he’ll activate it. If he’s a quality starter, he’ll turn it down. He’ll still be Reds property, and will (presumably) get more through the arbitration process.
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
sorry, I wasn't being clear about the contract to which I was comparing
5/25 > 5/25+5 player option > 5/30
(from the Reds perspective)
by brackenthebox on Jan 11, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
So after all this...
the 6th year appears to be guaranteed, and Jocketty wants Chapman on the big league team from the get-go. Maybe he could fill the same role as Wainwright in ’06, then start in 2011.
It seems inconceivable that he won’t eventually run into some kind of problem with Dusty running things.
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
Putting him straight into the big leagues is madness
guy might be good but seriously, the competition in the Cuban league is like high-A-ball at best. Surely 3 months in AA or something is a better way to start him off…
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 12, 2010 5:58 AM EST up reply actions
just start him against the Pirates and Astros for a while...
maybe some Nationals for variety
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I said the "big-leagues".
Those are AAA teams.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 13, 2010 6:05 AM EST up reply actions
Hole at Cincinnati shortstop position...
Both Bill James & Chone thinks that Red phenom Todd Frazier is ready with their latest projections… James projects him with a .278 BA, 45 doubles, 17 HR, 69 RBI in 500 ABs. If he is not quite ready yet, the Reds still have Drew Sutton. He is more of a 2Bman, but can rake the ball. In fact, I don’t know why the Cardinals are not interested in Sutton with him being a switch-hitter and the Cardinal’s need for a LH bench infielder.
Here is my favorites for the Card’s bench… LaRue, Craig, Mather, T.Greene, Lugo…unless
you replace Lugo with a Sutton type. If Mather is not ready then, John Jay is the LH OF who
probably is.
mather's right-handed
although I dunno if you meant it like that…
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 11, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
Last I heard
Sutton was staying at 2B and they were looking at moving Frazier to the outfield since they didn’t think he could handle middle infield in the big leagues. Not sure why, that’s just the rumors going around.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
not just "looking at"
he basically played 2B/LF last year, with a few games at 3B and 1B thrown in. Didn’t play an inning at SS.
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
Zack Cozart
Could be better than people expect
The Hawk speaks of... the Man Stew!
though he doesn’t call it that.
http://www.globe-democrat.com/news/2010/jan/11/blake-hawksworths-blog-winter-warm-time/
I’ll fanshot this for full tagging appreciation.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Pirates closing in on deal with Ryan Church
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/01/pirates-in-talks-with-ryan-church.html
What are the odds Ankiel signs as our left-handed bat off the bench? Assuming Boras wakes up and realizes he isn’t worth 3/30, of course.
THE SKIP IS LEGIT!!
I know a guy who swears this is going to happen,
because “Rick Ankiel owes the Cardinals.” Ugh.
Now with extra feisty!
Maybe he'll be better?
Running out of options if we truly want a lefty OF on the bench.
Matt Holliday. Nuff said.
by SoonerfanTU on Jan 11, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
Jon Jay is projected to be a better hitter as Ankiel is,
.323 wOBA vs .318 wOBA, and he plays as good or better defense for less money.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
Jay would be my LH bench bat
over Ankiel right now
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
Does anyone really think
that CHONE projection is possible? 438 PAs with a .323 wOBA for a guy who hasn’t ever played in the majors and had a wOBA of .328 in AAA last year doesn’t sound right to me.
The Godfather himself has decided to grace us with his presence. This is his damn house. He sleeps 20 feet away.
by thegodfather on Jan 11, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
He had a down first half, his second half numbers were much stronger
I would take Jay over Ankiel in a heart beat. Jay’s defensive value is enough close any kind of gap between him and Ankiel.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 11, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
i think he'll develop more powar
well, actually i hope he does. but they are very similar
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
CHONE projections are among the most reliable around.
and the reasons we have projections is so people don’t focus just on last year’s production. his wOBA in small sample in 2008 in AAA was .390 and in 472 PAs at AA was .372.
surely, CHONE has run across players that are coming out of the minors before?
projections actually did very well with our new prospects this year – barden, tyler greene, thurston were all pretty close to their projections, which i ran down in a post about two months ago.
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
I do think though that Jon Jay is a difficult player to project
Since he is a high avg player which lends it self to high levels of variance. He really needs to increase his walk rates
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 11, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
The PAs are assumed to be "if he starts the season in the majors and is a regular player", I think
hitters in AA for most teams are projected several hundred ABs for the big league team. If you add up the total # of PAs CHONE projects, it will be far above the number the team will actually take.
The .323 wOBA is based in part on his excellent 2008 season, as well as his poor 2009, although I tend to agree – he’s not been unlucky on BABIP, and he WAS somewhat lucky as far as I can tell in 08. I’d be very surprised if he’s a .323 wOBA guy – with his glove, that probably makes him an above-average major league outfielder. I believe CHONE doesn’t look at ball-in-play luck (which has been above-average for Jay in the last couple of years), so that might be part of the problem.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 12, 2010 6:01 AM EST up reply actions
Another in-house candidate...
Keep your eyes peeled to see if Mark Hamilton is working out in the OF early in ST. His numbers vs. RHP have been fairly spectacular the past few years.
Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.
he was working out in the OF in venezuela. then he went home early.
don’t know if that means it worked out, it didn’t work out, or he got malaria.
if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus
I am looking forward to seeing who the Cardinals are sending to the
Rookie Career Development Program. It is program setup to help rookies adjust to big league life. Most teams send a couple players in Jan each year. It can sometimes be viewed as a sign who is going to make the team.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 11, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
ooh that's interesting.
flag rec for topicality
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I asked Matt Leach about it yesterday
He said he would have a blog post up about it today
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 11, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
proactive. I like it.
I won’t ask what else you can do.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
THIS IS A MAN WHO GETS THINGS DONE
HE MAKES SHIRTS AND ASKS LEACH QUESTIONS AND DOESN’T AFRAID OF ANYTHING
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
he also has your mailing address.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
and "modeling pictures"
that he swore wouldn’t end up on the interweb.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
you got mine
wait, no just my real name & addy
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
huh
I didn’t know that Hamilton was getting a look in the outfield. I’ve been steadily waiting for him to get traded for what seems like about 10 years now.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
he'd be our best internal LH bench bat candidate, I think
but I don’t think I ever want to actually see him in the OF. I think he’d be Duncan bad, possibly worse, but as a pinch-hitter, he’s an interesting guy, I think. Also, a couple of hundred big league PAs where he mashes right-handed pitching could really boost his trade value. Anyone looking for a LH first base option (Sabean, I’m looking at you…) might be tempted to throw, say, a decent relief arm our way.
The other issue is that neither he nor Craig can play CF, so it seems unlikely that both make the team.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 12, 2010 6:05 AM EST up reply actions
that's the death knell of Hamilton's career
Liam keepin’ an eye on em’
poor, poor Mark
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Gabe Gross
much better glove than Ankiel and he was about an average hitter with the brewers, before sucking last year (though he didn’t suck as bad as ank). There’s still one or two options out there.
That said, I’m not as down on ank as some, and I wouldn’t mind a 1-year deal at near the league minimum. I’d just be slightly concerned that LaRussa will over-expose him, or use him as a CF against left-handed pitching. Yeuch.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 11, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
i haven't been to church i so long
no wonder my life sucks
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
yeah, I think I slightly prefer Church too
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 12, 2010 6:05 AM EST up reply actions
I dunno
That Yankees farmhand Kyle Synagogue is looking pretty stout. Maybe we should try to work out a trade for him.
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 12, 2010 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
I think Tony Gurdwara has leapt over him on their depth chart, actually.
so I guess he might be available. What are there needs?
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 13, 2010 6:06 AM EST up reply actions
I heard the same thing in Munich in 33'
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 11, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure if that's exactly a fair comparison...
But the fact that it even can be made in jest is saying something…
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Hey
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 11, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
I just don't want...
TLR to have the option of filling out Ankiel’s name on the lineup card every day when you have Rasmus (who hit so well vs. lhp and rhp in the playoffs).
in all honesty
he’s probably as good as ryan church. The big concern is how LaRussa will (over)play him.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 11, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
This is the biggest reason why I don't want Ankiel back
I don’t want him to take the place of Rasmus
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 11, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
Go for what? a .291 OBP against righties?
for $2m? That’s laughable.
owes us another year of .290 OBP?
Ohhhhhh yeaaaaahhhhhh!!!!
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 11, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
Isn't it sometimes better
to let debts go unpaid than to chase down the people who owe you?
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
If he owes us
He won’t re-sign. That would be a much better way of “repaying”
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 11, 2010 1:38 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
why isn't that green?
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
do we get to see the chappy presser?
or is this ohio-only?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
what's a chappy presser?
i don’t know if i see it or not
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
oh
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Random question:
Is VEB producing a 2010 Cards Maple Street press Annual? Last year’s was really excellent and the contributors list was outstanding.
Some people have their own bowling ball and their own bowling shoes and no friends.
You must be the change you wish to see in the world.
From MLB.com article about defensive statistics
“I think defensive statistics are the most unpredictable stats there are,” says Charley Kerfeld, a former big league reliever who now serves as a special assistant to Phillies GM Ruben Amaro Jr.
“And since I’ve been here, we don’t have an in-house stats guy and I kind of feel we never will. We’re not a statistics-driven organization by any means.
“I’m not against statistics. Everybody has their own way of doing things. But the Phillies believe in what our scouts see and what our eyes tell us and what our people tell us.”
Every time I read/hear someone saying something as strange and surreal as “I’m not against statistics, everyone has their own way of doing things” I have to take a second and wonder if this is, indeed, reality.
In any case, the article is worth a read.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
To not have an in house stat dept seems so stupid to me
Like mind boggling stupid especially when drafting players. Stats are not perfect by any means but they should be used to point you in the right direction to take advantage of your scouts.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 11, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
I haven't seen any reliable studies showing that having a stats department correlates with team success.
/meta
by brackenthebox on Jan 11, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Paraphrasing a buddy of mine
If you don’t believe in baseball stats, you should go ahead and try to manage your 401k and savings account based solely on memory and see how well it works out.
by Mister Eff on Jan 11, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
That's the nub of the issue...
when it counts – like in surgery or finance – we accept science and stats. When it doesn’t matter, we indulge in tradition.
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
nub.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Jan 11, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I imagine you laughing like Butthead in your head
so I will laugh like Beavis in mine
Blaine Matthew Burns: Albert Pujols' biggest fan (his first words will for sure be "Albert Pujols is RIDICULOUS")
rec'd for nub.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 12, 2010 6:07 AM EST up reply actions
wow, that's like really smart & stuff
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
the 401k sales business
is laced with bad statistics and blatant dishonesty. Starting your measurement of financial instrument performance with the great depression and using government figures for inflation are two that are used habitually.
I completely understand the perspective that prefers scouting to stats for defense
The publicly available stuff, while pretty good, doesn’t even correct for positioning let alone throwing to the right base or cutting off hits keeping guys to singles etc. Hell they seemingly can’t even figure out how to properly adjust for the Green Monster. If I had to pick between my scouts that see 100 games of a player or that player’s single year UZR, I’d trust the scouts. Saying UZR is worthless is nonsense, and it seems extremely cavalier to not have any in-house stats but given the current limitations on defensive stuff that’s not that crazy (for defense).
Not afraid to nitpick
But UZR is more right than wrong
On a single player basis I would always take the scouts word of the stats. But stats should point you in the right direction to be use your scouts.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 11, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
I think I broadly agree
although UZR is useful for broadly putting a VALUE on defense. I’d be more inclined to believe a good scout who says, I dunno, “Jacoby Ellsbury is a + OF” but, thanks to UZR, we know that a + OF might be worth, say, ten runs above average for his position.
Also, UZR is good at offering a second point of view that is a little more objective in SOME areas of defense (and I say this as someone who has some doubts about its accuracy) – for instance, that Felipe Lopez has good range, whereas a scout or someone else watching with their “own eyes” (as opposed to someone else’s, I always wonder…) would focus more on the fact that he boots a lot of balls.
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by Felonius_Monk on Jan 12, 2010 6:09 AM EST up reply actions
and that, friends, is why the phillies never have and never will be a relevant baseball team.
o wait…
capital letters suck.
All the stuff that...
makes the Phillies great today happened a long time ago.
Rollins – drafted 1996
Utley, Hamels, Howard – drafted 2000-2002
Victorino – rule 5 2004
Werth & Drabek (Halladay) – 2006
They didn’t get much in the last three drafts, and they gutted the farm for Halladay.
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
by guayzimi on Jan 11, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
the phils have quietly gotten old. i worry about a serious hangover to the WS champagne.
maybe not next season, but in the next few seasons.
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
They almost traded Utley and Howard
to the A’s for Mark Mulder. I found that fascinating, and saddening. I want he who shall not be named back!
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
and why they signed werth and no one else
still po’ed at uncle walt for that one
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
And yet they've become the premier NL team over the past 2 years
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 11, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
that sound is the bucketloads of money raining down
right after the batteries
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
and was completely worthless most of the history of baseball
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
Well, to be fair
While they may not give a crap about defensive metrics, they still have a pretty solid defensive team.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
Is it me...
or has Doug Melvin been flying around the country and blabbing about signing Mark Mulder for months now? This is a monumental decision?
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
no shit
Why don’t they just sign him and get it over with. He can’t be asking for to much money
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 11, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
Because the more you talk about it
the bigger of a signing it is… everyone knows that.
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
Heyman says Pujols is "surely seeking" $30 million per year
It should be pretty obvious where Pujols’ position lies, as he’s surely seeking a deal for $30 million a year.
He seems to be pretty much pulling this out of thin air, from what I can tell, but it’s still a bit worrying. Especially since it’s in the middle of an article about how Joe Mauer is believed to not be looking for that kind of money.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
How in the world...
can the Phillies and Cardinals have similar revenues? Philadelphia is a top 5 media market; St. Louis is in the twenties. Plus, the Phillies payroll is $140 million and they got $175 million in public money to build their stadium. St. Louis got a $50 million loan.
Six years was the hope of the herd;
Unanimous but for one who demurred;
A prescient young man;
By the name of stlfan;
He knew Scotty would have the last word
thin air - is that where the sun doesn't shine?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
The place inbetween
the right buttcheek and the left buttcheek.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Heyman is NOT having a good day today.
For more on this, visit the Big Mac thread.
Good lord almighty — how do these idiots keep their jobs?
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
Well, I posted this yesterday under the correct fanshot,
but no one noticed. Questions about the Big Mac pinch hitting thing (which, admittedly, has got to be like a 50:1 long shot):
What would this do to his HoF eligibility? Would it be reset and the voting start again another 5 years from now? Has that ever happened before? Mightn’t that actually be a good thing for Big Mac’s chances at the HoF?
I vote the anti-Tony ticket:
Aggressiveness on the basepaths,
Patience at the plate.
Not to be offensive to you but...
The talk about McGwire pinch hitting is the dumbest thing I heard this season.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 11, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
crazy Tony seems to have discovered the joy of Messin' Wit' You
next year he won’t just answer the cell phone during the presser, he’ll post to Twitter.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
season, rather.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I agree.
It was just an interesting hypothetical. Another thought:
What if a great, shoe-in Hall of Famer (say Albert or something) retired early, then got elected into the Hall of Fame, then returned and played another couple games or something? That would be wild.
I vote the anti-Tony ticket:
Aggressiveness on the basepaths,
Patience at the plate.
i saw this movie
it’s called mr 3000. i’d prefer to avoid the sequel.
I presume it would reset his HoF eligibility.
But this little TLR fantasy will not happen.
Now with extra feisty!
the one with aaron miles and the pudding, though, that one might.
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
by tom s. on Jan 11, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
aaron miles *is* on the west coast fulltime, now....
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
especially now
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
I don't see why everyone has a problem with this
It will shove off his HoF voting for 5 years. Then he can see the results of Bonds HoF to see if he gets elected or not, therefore giving him a case if he happens to be elected.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
Is Bonds not a much, much better player than McGwire, though?
I don’t think Bonds’ election has a lot of bearing on Big Mac (although of course if Bonds DOESN’T make it, which I think he will, Mac won’t). Bonds was an inner circle guy with or without the ’roids.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 12, 2010 6:12 AM EST up reply actions
I think it has a tremendous effect
How can’t it? Mac is 11th(?) on the all time HR list, not to mention he does legally hold the record for HR’s in a season. I think that if you put Bonds in, you would have a very hard time not putting Mac in.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
But Bonds is an inner circles HOFer even if he retired in 1999
or played out the rest of his career “only” hitting 25-30 HR/yr.
Without 98 and 99, McGwire is borderline. In fact, if he started juicing in the early 90s, you can make an argument that he wasn’t even really a star in Oakland (I’m not making that argument, but I guess it exists), excepting his excellent rookie year, from 88-91 when he averaged about an .800 OPS for four seasons. Take out that huge 1998-2000 peak and he was merely a good hitting, poor defending first baseman, and probably not even up there in production with guys like Edgar Martinez. Slice 20 HR off each of those years (which doesn’t seem unreasonable to me as a "steroids adjustment) and the associated adjustments that makes to his OPS and he’s still borderline.
Steroidy Barry Bonds is the 2nd best player of all time. It’s hard to argue that steroidy Mark McGwire is DEFINITIVELY in the top 100 (although I suspect he probably is by most fair measures). That’s a pretty big gap. I think the argument for Bonds is that he’d be in on his performance, steroids or no steroids, whereas for Big Mac, without that late-career power binge, he’s probably not a hall-of-famer.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 13, 2010 6:13 AM EST up reply actions
Ok
I just don’t see how you can take away a guy from the HoF who will be top 10 in MLB history in HR’s (Arod is tied with him and Thome is only 20 off) and a career OBP of .394. That’s such an impossibility to me unless Bonds does not get in, then I can understand the issue.
I think 20 is a bit steep, but I really don’t have anyway to argue that.
Bonds stats are fantastic, and he is the 2nd best player in the history of MLB (Steroidy as he may be), but McGwire’s numbers, although not as good as Bonds, are not that far off.
In football, the object is for the quarterback, otherwise known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his recievers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use the shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.
In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! "I hope I'll be safe at home!"
-George Carlin (RIP)
I think that's all fair
I’m a small hall guy personally, but I don’t really have a horse in the “should he/shouldn’t he be in” McGwire race. I think his stats, as they stand, make him a definite HOFer if you ignore the roids, that’s for sure, even in my small hall, but I can see the counter argument (knock off a dinger here, a dinger there, a few hundred PAs in which he might not’ve been very healthy if not for the roids etc, and he’s borderline).
I would vote for Mark McGwire, as much as anything, because he’s an important part of mlb history, but I can definitely see the arguments against it. In the end, I’m not sure it matters THAT much either way; the game will go on with or without the ’roid guys in the hall.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 15, 2010 8:02 AM EST up reply actions
It would count as service time
and his HOF eligibility would be reset, yes.
However, under the CBA, the organization cannot pay him or provide him any compensation for things outside of playing baseball if he is indeed a player. Which means he would have to resign as hitting coach, or do it for free, then sign a minimum 10 day contract with the Cardinals as I believe that is the smallest contract a free agent player can sign.
Can Colby round out our new MV3?
speaking of Tony, BBTN will have him, Bob Knight, and CC Sabathia
I may watch just to see the look on Timmeh’s face.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
i have no clue
they regularly pre-empt BBTN for real sports like poker or curling
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I knew someone who was trying to make the Olympic team
never found out if they did, but they were hardcore
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
What has the computer-simulation world come to?!
Batting Title Champion in 2011? You guessed it! Chris Duncan.
Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.
BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
and look who he's beating out
R. howard? Keppinger
This guys so good(Pujols) He should be illegal-Pirates announcers
yeah, BA is so out of date. should be using wOBA!
My daddy told me, lookin' back, The best friend you'll have is a railroad track So when I was 13 said, I'm rollin' my own, And I'm leavin' Missouri and I'm never comin' home . . . Now I woke me up with a cardinal bird, And when I wanna talk, He hangs on every word. . . And I'm lost at the bottom of the world. - Tom Waits
He had a 1.07 OPS, too. Ha...Go figure.
Note: Above comment may contain gratuitous amounts of sarcasm.
BOYCOTT HASS AVOCADOS
Well, a .450 BABIP is bound to happen sooner or later...
I vote the anti-Tony ticket:
Aggressiveness on the basepaths,
Patience at the plate.
Must be a late bloomer...
a very late bloomer
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
haha thats funny
i have duncan as my left fielder in my franchise too. he rakes too haha.
....my quick smells like french toast...
by mstreeter06 on Jan 11, 2010 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
ah, (marbles)
Greg Maddux joins Cubs as assistant to Hendry – overseeing coaching and ops.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
interesting
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
I've been looking for link to this
Can’t find it anywhere. Any idea where or to whom he made this admission?
"I learned a long time ago if you keep checking your stats all year, you're going to end up in the toilet." - Chris Carpenter, 2009.
got it
http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory?id=9533663
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
you know it's breaking news when you get a subtitle like:
Mark McGwire admits using steroids for when breaking HR record
by brackenthebox on Jan 11, 2010 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
at least we know they didn't have the story on-file
like obits
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
alt link
I wish google would pick up the wire stories faster… they have the least amount of sidebar crap.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100111/ap_on_sp_ba_ne/bbo_steroids_mcgwire
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
but now you have a bookend "talk about the past" quote
that’s good for some parallelism or a rhymed couplet
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Ha
Seriously I feel like I should be more surprised but I am not. I just feel relieved that after the dust settles that I won’t have to hear it anymore.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 11, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
I’m beyond any outrageous outrage over it. But it’s obviously topical. I’m just hoping the media devours it here quickly and that it doesn’t need to be brought up again and again throughout the season.
by Merry CRasmus on Jan 11, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
my only reservation about it is I wish he'd said this when we were still kids
“we” not including those punks on our lawn
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I don't think it changed my opinion at all.
If it helps.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Doesn't change my opinion either
When so many others were doing it during that era, it means little that he was doing it.
yup...like i've said everytime this has came up
EVERYBODY knew EVERYBODY was doing it back then.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
I'd agree with you
except who answered for him in all those years?
oh yeah. us Cardinals fans.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
maybe you were busy answering for the Indians?
…sorry. haha. I had to.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I guess I don't know what you mean by answering.
I was pretty positive he did it and so if anyone said he did I was like yeah. I guess that is some sort of answering.
The Indians are the same kind of thing, if someone says they suck, I’m like yeah, and…
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
it's sort of like flim's comment in the next thread
Kind of a shaft to him if he didn’t know about it before hand. He officially becomes the spokesman for him.
lots of fans took a shot at Cards fans in lieu of Mac. over a decade or so. it’s nice that he’s shy and retiring and doesn’t like the media, but we had no credibility defending him because we were Cards fans.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
But I never defended him.
I said Yeah he did them. Let’s move on. I was never a huge McGwire fan so it never really bothered me I guess.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
sad day.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 11, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
i believed it man
i’m crying right now.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 11, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
there*
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 11, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
THERE IS NO GRAMMAR IN BASEBALL
You know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in France?
by jd is legend on Jan 11, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
at least the media can get this out of their systems a month ahead of ST.
i will now write the only sports article you will need to read on the subject:
ZOMG . . . MARK MCGWIRE . . . STEROIDS . . . BETRAYAL . . . AMERICA . . . BASEBALL . . . PRISTINE GAME . . . HOME RUN RACE . . . BARRY BONDS . . . LITTLE CHILDREN WAVING FLAGS . . . LITTLE CHILDREN CRYING . . . LOST INNOCENCE . . . APPLE PIE . . . SANCTITY OF THE GAME . . . HEROES . . . HANK AARON . . . DWIGHT EISENHOWER . . . BALCO . . . TARNISH . . . HALL OF FAME . . . PLAYING THE GAME THE RIGHT WAY . . . ZOMG.
if you don't know what is wrong with me, then you don't know what you've missed. - macmanus
by tom s. on Jan 11, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions 12 recs
naaaaah, the media will have plenty of new fodder when both Tony and his BFF Bobby
are on BBTN.
hahahaha timing.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
YOU LEAVE THE PIE OUT OF IT.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
yup...post of the week.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
tom is on a roll
Every morning I wake up & smoke a dart. Then I eat five strips of bacon, & for lunch I eat a bacon sandwich. And for a midday snack? Bacon! A whole damn plate! And I usually drink my dinner. And I'm still here! Sometimes I wonder if God forgot about me.
Speaking of Bonds
Has the media finally run out of ammo on him? I feel like I haven’t read an article reminding us that Bonds is a Sith Lord in quite some time.
I need your discipline / I need your help / I need your discipline / You know once I start I cannot stop myself...
he hasn't done anything new
it’s sort of a sky-is-blue story for them news purveyors, meaning there’s no story at all.
also the principals may be under legal/court restrictions, too.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
this reminds me
of Like a Boss. I approve
Some people have their own bowling ball and their own bowling shoes and no friends.
You must be the change you wish to see in the world.
az has a new thread...
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2010/1/11/1245730/mark-mcgwire-admits-to-steroid-use#comments
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 11, 2010 3:18 PM EST reply actions
Do we really need a new thread for this
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 11, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
az made it...
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 11, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
i think it's a big deal
people can speculate all they want, but having concrete evidence straight from mcgwire is a big deal.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Jan 11, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
WWL just interrupted their handegg analysis for it
and they have Tim Kurkjian for it. it must be a big deal!
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
It's not that he did it
I think 90% of Cards fans, and 99% of the general population assumed that. I think the admission is obviously real news. I’m not sure what to say about it – I think it’s all been pretty well hashed out. The only thing I’d say is that Big Mac has always taken too many bullets for how he handled it. There is no “good way”, and I’ll take his approach over most others that are involved in this mess. That’s not really me singing his praises, just don’t think “I’m not hear to talk about the past” was any sin, the original actions were.
by Merry CRasmus on Jan 11, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
Ha Ha
you watch Fox News…
Chicago Cubs: The first century was funny...this second one is just sad...
high five
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
MORE LIKE FAUX NEWS AMIRITE
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
only in the sense
that it’s now out of the way. i find it hard to believe anyone who’s ever watched baseball just learned anything new from that article
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
+1
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
I actually think this is a great move on Mac's part
Get this out of the way now. When ST comes up, the media will have settled down a bit….or so you’d think.
wil never go away
will reflect poorly on him and team—-unless he is very aggressively inn campaigning against steroids
he is in a tough place
I may be in a rut, but at least I know where I'm going
Andy Van Slyke
on ksdk 5 just said Mcqwire just said he’s not in the HOF cause of steriods he didn’t get votes because he was a incomplete player.
AVS does not read VEB.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
Gotta love Sports Pickle...
"I hear Dusty Baker will ‘blow out my arm’. In English, this means: ‘Make my arm explosive’, yes?
- Aroldis Chapman
"When I knocked a guy down, there was no second part to the story." - Bob Gibson
hehe
that’s pretty cool.
RELEASE THE CENTIQUID!!!!
by Felonius_Monk on Jan 12, 2010 6:16 AM EST up reply actions
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