Game 136 Overflow Thread II
by azruavatar on Sep 4, 2009 10:06 PM EDT
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This thread to finish this game off and keep everyone content till tomorrow. One step closer to 100 wins, I hope.
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I'm never content.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Sep 4, 2009 10:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pitt announcers discussing OPS
as if no one had ever heard of it… it’s rather entertaining
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Sep 4, 2009 10:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the mere IDEA of Oh Pee Ess
causes the one dude’s BP to go up. Lol.
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
by SleepyCA on Sep 4, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But just because the numbers aren't good
doesn’t mean the player isn’t… their guts say so…
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Sep 4, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aren't baseball sportscasters supposed to know baseball?
"I throw him four wide ones then try to pick him off first base." - Preacher Roe on Musial
by vico on Sep 4, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the one guy was talking earlier in the program
“you know, bob*, that I don’t watch much baseball, but…”
’* (not sure what his name was)
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
by SleepyCA on Sep 4, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
all of albert's jokes are funny
"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension
by sportsman on Sep 4, 2009 10:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and even if they weren't, you laugh anyway
2.444 is ridiculous
by kalmavet on Sep 4, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glaus!
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 4, 2009 10:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What time do the whores show up?
Shut up, Fritz™.
by Alxfritz on Sep 4, 2009 10:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hate you.
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by azruavatar on Sep 4, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wear do you want them?
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by azruavatar on Sep 4, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
100-62 requires a 20-6 finish after tonight
That woudl be pretty awesome
The Cardinls have never gone to a World series in a year ending in 9. Every other year they have: 1930, 31, 42, 82, 43, 34, 44, 64, 85, 26, 46, 2006, 67, 87 , 28 & 68. But no 9s, Could this be the year?
by Podlol on Sep 4, 2009 10:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
santaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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by sportsman on Sep 4, 2009 10:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
6.25M per PA
this season.
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by azruavatar on Sep 4, 2009 10:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the second derivative on that $/PA
is encouraging
by nota bene on Sep 4, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When you start integrating that
then we can start talking.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Sep 4, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because it's positive and small?
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
by Valatan on Sep 4, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
looks like he's put on
about 2 pounds per $M, though, so we’re getting more Glaus for our money.
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
by SleepyCA on Sep 4, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
typo in the caption, az
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 4, 2009 10:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks.
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by azruavatar on Sep 4, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
luddy's name is still misspelled
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Sep 4, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ruh roh
I wasn’t prepared for multiple fuck ups.
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by azruavatar on Sep 4, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We still have to field a defense right?
Albert Pujols is ridiculous.
by stlhulsey on Sep 4, 2009 10:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
why is everyone being pinch-hit for??
Go Cards!
by hr on Sep 4, 2009 10:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
it's up to Holiday to give Ludwisk his chance
The Cardinls have never gone to a World series in a year ending in 9. Every other year they have: 1930, 31, 42, 82, 43, 34, 44, 64, 85, 26, 46, 2006, 67, 87 , 28 & 68. But no 9s, Could this be the year?
by Podlol on Sep 4, 2009 10:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
are you watching the game on MLB.com in the HD quality?
if so, you are lagging behind the game
by SoCalBirdfan on Sep 4, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i've failed to put that in the glossary
means your info is late
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 4, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Used to be "Chitown'd" BTW
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by vexedtechie on Sep 4, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't seen Chitown in awhile...
Maybe he’s stepping up his Chitown’d game…
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Sep 4, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bout to bring it at a level none of us have seen.
…did you know we traded Duncan?
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by vexedtechie on Sep 4, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or even better
… there’s this Pujols guy in our system… I’ve heard some good things about it.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Sep 4, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think wainwright will top out as a #3
All the scouts say Anthony Reyes has ace stuff, but wainwright just isn’t that elite…
/2006 spring training
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
by SleepyCA on Sep 4, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe
we’re trying to make another reliever a starter.
WE GOT LUCKY WITH LOOPER!
Shut up, Fritz™.
by Alxfritz on Sep 4, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
damn it, I thought we solved Troy's eye problems last year.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 4, 2009 10:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
maybe he neets Motte's goggles?
The Cardinls have never gone to a World series in a year ending in 9. Every other year they have: 1930, 31, 42, 82, 43, 34, 44, 64, 85, 26, 46, 2006, 67, 87 , 28 & 68. But no 9s, Could this be the year?
by Podlol on Sep 4, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
his eye thing at night
he was making those owl-eyes again.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 4, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
has he hit one forward yet in two ABs?
The Cardinls have never gone to a World series in a year ending in 9. Every other year they have: 1930, 31, 42, 82, 43, 34, 44, 64, 85, 26, 46, 2006, 67, 87 , 28 & 68. But no 9s, Could this be the year?
by Podlol on Sep 4, 2009 10:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I win the laziness award
Ordering Domino’s online: under the Special Instructions for Delivery I put “Just open the door, I’m on the couch and don’t want to get up.” I love technology. Now I can not only have food delivered to my door without having to talk to anyone, I can do so without so much as getting up.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Sep 4, 2009 10:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I use to work at Bass Pro
and made the delivery guy walk into the store and walk to my department and deliver it to me there
by Hollirosa on Sep 4, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That stretch...
between the couch and door can be a tough one.
Please take this comment in the spirit it was intended.
by guayzimi on Sep 4, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't it Everquest...
that you could order Pizza Hut while playing in the game.
I think that is ultimate laziness.
MOM….BATHROOM!!!
by Ghostrider520 on Sep 4, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
online food ordering is the greatest thing ever
any day now i’ll be able to have food delivered without any human interaction whatsoever
by Expatcardfan on Sep 4, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The thing that gets me these days is I still have to sign for this crap
A signature is not stopping anyone from credit card frauding a $13 pizza.
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by joker24 on Sep 4, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
About a month ago when someone asked for my signature,
I just drew a line across the spot. They asked me if I meant to do this. I told them “Yes, because I can’t match the cardholder’s real signature very well yet.”
That was a long night.
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by azruavatar on Sep 4, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.r6-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82843
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Sep 4, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Awesome
The clerk ringing me out was so confused as to why I didn’t sign it.
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by azruavatar on Sep 4, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You could've signed "Princess Leia."
That shit doesn’t matter.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Sep 4, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how did you know azru's username
On robofriendfinder com?
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Sep 4, 2009 10:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Uh...
I mean…
Wait – how do YOU know it?
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Sep 4, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
/leaves thread blushing.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Sep 4, 2009 10:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I think your apple would be red then.
Shut up, Fritz™.
by Alxfritz on Sep 4, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glaus Ks
any cussing? equipment tossing?
by nota bene on Sep 4, 2009 10:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
TLR is tempting the GOB's
With all this pinch-hitting.
"If I'm in a slump, I ask myself for advice" - Ichiro
by Toppins on Sep 4, 2009 10:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and using the Colonel in the 9th
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by gocards62 on Sep 4, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
pales in comparison to
his choice of “closer”
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by sportsman on Sep 4, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Sep 4, 2009 10:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
extra bonus for tonight
I love looking at the scoreboard and seeing (any team) 12, Boston 1.
by nota bene on Sep 4, 2009 10:12 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I forgot this guy got recalled.
"If I'm in a slump, I ask myself for advice" - Ichiro
by Toppins on Sep 4, 2009 10:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm hopeful here
The Colonel could be valuable in the pen
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by gocards62 on Sep 4, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone want to predict the final score
12-13 or 15-14
The Cardinls have never gone to a World series in a year ending in 9. Every other year they have: 1930, 31, 42, 82, 43, 34, 44, 64, 85, 26, 46, 2006, 67, 87 , 28 & 68. But no 9s, Could this be the year?
by Podlol on Sep 4, 2009 10:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
somebody owes money in Vegas, obviously
by Expatcardfan on Sep 4, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol actually i bet the cards would win this one (for $20)
u could imagine how pissed i was after ADAM’s 5th inning
Go Cards!
by hr on Sep 4, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and you obviously live in Nevada where this is legal, right?
by Expatcardfan on Sep 4, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because we all know
gambling on sports BAD… unless you’re in Nevada GOOD…
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Sep 4, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's an Adam Carolla rant about gambling similar to that...
It’s a good time
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Sep 4, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to make a ton of money for the Cards making the playoffs, if gambling were legal that is
Stupid Cubs fans at Mizzou.
Oh and Carwin +230 against Lesnar is a steal already and it’s trending higher.
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by joker24 on Sep 4, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shit
This thread could turn ugly.
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by azruavatar on Sep 4, 2009 10:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm lining up shots...
either for celebration or drowning of sorrows.
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Sep 4, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just de-frosted the vodka from the freezer.
by Ghostrider520 on Sep 4, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only booze that should go in the freezer is Jager...
maybe Goldschlager…
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Sep 4, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And crappy vodka...
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Sep 4, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
or my Franklins for a quick cool down
i swear the cooler at my local beer store is set at 65 degrees
by Expatcardfan on Sep 4, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A salt - ice water mix
is supposed to work better. So says Mythbusters… never had to try it myself, but makes sense to me
"The Cards lead this game tied 1-1." -Mike Shannon
by ducttape16 on Sep 4, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TLR is giving the GOB
the finger with these moves
by nmstar on Sep 4, 2009 10:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lets hope they dont see til this inning is over
Go Cards!
by hr on Sep 4, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least he got a haircut in Memphis.
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by azruavatar on Sep 4, 2009 10:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Did he gain some weight, too?
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Sep 4, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You try living in Memphis
on a diet.
Shut up, Fritz™.
by Alxfritz on Sep 4, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
speaking of Memphis
Lance Lynn solid intro to AAA tonight: 6.2 IP/5H/2R/3BB/9K
by nmstar on Sep 4, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't wait to download that video.
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by azruavatar on Sep 4, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, not a strike.
The umpire wants to go home and go night night.
by Ghostrider520 on Sep 4, 2009 10:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
it must be ex-cub day.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 4, 2009 10:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That's the Colonel
I remember
OK, Todd. Throw strikes
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by gocards62 on Sep 4, 2009 10:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I pray Welly struggles here...
otherwise we will see him back in the rotation.
Please take this comment in the spirit it was intended.
by guayzimi on Sep 4, 2009 10:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
this ump likes welly
that was not a strike
Go Cards!
by hr on Sep 4, 2009 10:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Are you on 5 minute tape-delay?
by Ghostrider520 on Sep 4, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This ump
is ready for the post-game buffet
Do you remember Straight "A" tickets to the Cardinals game from way back when?
by huja on Sep 4, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wellemeyer....
what broad manly shoulders you have
by Hollirosa on Sep 4, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and about to start living there year-round, i think
by Expatcardfan on Sep 4, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hopefully commuting across the river
To pitch in cincinatti.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Sep 4, 2009 10:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Why was the last run against WW an earned run
When the guy scored on the overthrow?
The Cardinls have never gone to a World series in a year ending in 9. Every other year they have: 1930, 31, 42, 82, 43, 34, 44, 64, 85, 26, 46, 2006, 67, 87 , 28 & 68. But no 9s, Could this be the year?
by Podlol on Sep 4, 2009 10:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The next guy...
singled.
Please take this comment in the spirit it was intended.
by guayzimi on Sep 4, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One more Colonel
just one more out
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by gocards62 on Sep 4, 2009 10:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
so what is that
17 pitches, 11 balls?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 4, 2009 10:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
is the Colonel wearing Motte's goggles?
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by gocards62 on Sep 4, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wellemeyer
more balls than a bad party
by nota bene on Sep 4, 2009 10:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
SHOULDERS
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Sep 4, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do you know whether I need to yell?
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Sep 4, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nevermind, dude. It was a joke.
I was blurting out something more appropriate. I’m sure others got it. But hey, let’s dissect it.
So, what are you gonna do next year if Holliday or DeRosa don’t get resigned?
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Sep 4, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
obviously it was a joke.
And I do what I want!
by Hollirosa on Sep 4, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
AWKWARD!
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by azruavatar on Sep 4, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Johnny likes it
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 5, 2009 7:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know, if I had a Pirates rally ski hat,
I’d probably wear it in the winter.
by peach concrete on Sep 4, 2009 10:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i have a pirates hat
i used to live there once
Go Cards!
by hr on Sep 4, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is awesome...
if Moss launches one we’ll never see Welly again.
Please take this comment in the spirit it was intended.
by guayzimi on Sep 4, 2009 10:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That's a winner!!
Magic number update!
by Ghostrider520 on Sep 4, 2009 10:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
pass the chicken
"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension
by sportsman on Sep 4, 2009 10:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pirates well on their way to being the most futile franchise in major sports history
by SoCalBirdfan on Sep 4, 2009 10:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sad thing is I could see him blowing a 7 run lead in the bottom of the 9th.
and that makes the baby Jesus cry.
by RollBirdsRoll on Sep 4, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
These 3+ hour games are wearing on me...
by Ghostrider520 on Sep 4, 2009 10:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
expect the next 2 to go quick
A.D.A.M had a bad day
Go Cards!
by hr on Sep 4, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Time for some alcohol and a cuban. Cigar that is.
by RollBirdsRoll on Sep 4, 2009 10:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh good, I thought you might want to go play with Mark the cub fan Cuban
by SoCalBirdfan on Sep 4, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
anybody else relieved
that he didn’t end up being the one to purchase the Cubs?
by nota bene on Sep 4, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wainwright gets the win...
lucky bastard… Didn’t Carpenter luck out like that a couple days ago? I’m concerned about our aces.
Please take this comment in the spirit it was intended.
by guayzimi on Sep 4, 2009 10:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's not luck
He knows how to win and earns his run support. I want to steal this Cy Young from Lincecum!
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Sep 4, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh my bad i thought you said wellemeyer sry
Go Cards!
by hr on Sep 4, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
whew.
that was nice. for a minute there I was afraid it was going to be TESS II.
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by madding on Sep 4, 2009 10:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jim Hayes
Could you have whored yourself out for that intro anymore?
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by azruavatar on Sep 4, 2009 10:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
so the whores arrived after all?
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by tom s. on Sep 4, 2009 10:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I think we finish
with 97 wins. Just a hunch.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Sep 4, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see us sucking down the stretch...
just like 04 and 05. These guys won’t perform when it’s in the bag.
Please take this comment in the spirit it was intended.
by guayzimi on Sep 4, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope not
I hope Pujols has a clubhouse rant that goes something like “Eff that Shi’ite MFers we’re gonna win every Effin game the rest of the Effin season to get Effin homefield and go into the Effin playoffs when we’re MFin hot at which point we’ll kill the rest of these MFers with our bare hands, mangs.”
Not that Pujols would drop F bombs like a B-52, but one can hope.
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by joker24 on Sep 4, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
93/94
would please me.
I’m more worried about setting up the rotation, if that means giving Boggs, Walters, Garcia starts.
Shut up, Fritz™.
by Alxfritz on Sep 4, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They should put the rotation...
in the freezer for a month… Only bad things can happen until the playoffs start.
Please take this comment in the spirit it was intended.
by guayzimi on Sep 4, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just want things set up for
Carp/Wainer/Joel going into the NLDS games 1-3.
Having a huge lead gives you that luxury.
Shut up, Fritz™.
by Alxfritz on Sep 4, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why not 98, just to spite cub fans?
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Sep 4, 2009 10:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
B/c they are of no significance.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Sep 4, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Feliz is even more rediculouser than AP...
a .27 WHIP is… pretty good.
Please take this comment in the spirit it was intended.
by guayzimi on Sep 4, 2009 10:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He's the next Pedro
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by joker24 on Sep 4, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TOmoorow night will be overload for me...Birdos on at 6 and the TIDE at 7...Wow
I am going to be SO hung over Sunday morning.
by RollBirdsRoll on Sep 4, 2009 10:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Goodnight from Tideland, Redbird nation.
by RollBirdsRoll on Sep 4, 2009 10:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
for the pop out to end the game
shanno was like
“pop up to the left side! and there’s la rosa!”
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by prophetjohn on Sep 4, 2009 10:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good god...
Clay Mortenson getting his ass kicked again. He’s not ready!
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by guayzimi on Sep 4, 2009 10:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No he was not.
Kind of feel bad for him.
Shut up, Fritz™.
by Alxfritz on Sep 4, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
now he plunked Beltre...
maybe it’s his toothpick stature… he just screams leave me at Sacramento for year.
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by guayzimi on Sep 4, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was rushed last year
and he’s been rushed again. But I still like his overall skillset. It’s just too soon.
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by azruavatar on Sep 4, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
way too soon.
Is Walrus getting a call up?
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by Alxfritz on Sep 4, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they've said walrus will not come up
In sept. I don’t know if that’s a john-mozeliak-says-smoltz-who? denial or an authentic policy. I would guess the latter.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Sep 4, 2009 11:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
oddly, i doubt it
considering that he is way more ready than mort
i guess they figure since mort had already made a big league appearance, why the hell not
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by prophetjohn on Sep 4, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His THREE inning made him a viable major leaguer?
Lord I hope not.
6ly, I have no idea of what to make of the A’s anymore. It’s like watching Beane fade into his sad, nonthreatening, pathetic Dracula phase.
Shut up, Fritz™.
by Alxfritz on Sep 5, 2009 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
final line 7 IP, 3BB, 1 K, 4 ER.
I was happy for the kid for making it into the 7th inning, but he’s not gonna survive long with those kind of numbers.
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
by SleepyCA on Sep 5, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
mix-tape....
all i can hear is the bass. everyone’s chattering in the background.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 4, 2009 10:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't even want to know what those noises are.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 4, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The whores have come in.
Shut up, Fritz™.
by Alxfritz on Sep 4, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
with that song, it'd be more like hos
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 4, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait just a damn minute
the box score says all 6 of waino’s runs were earned?
there’s no way
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by prophetjohn on Sep 4, 2009 11:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
what happens in Pittsburgh....
and yes way.
I dunno what it is, but Wainer gets gassed in Pitt faster than any other park.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 4, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how?
the throw from right that got past derosa to score the sixth run wasn’t an error?
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by prophetjohn on Sep 4, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
huh? it was an error. on Skip.
Skip was covering first, and he threw wild to third.
and yes, pretty much Adam was throwing too many breaking pitches and they weren’t biting.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 4, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i watched the game
by my count he gave up 5 earned runs. how did he get charged with the run that scored because of skip’s wild throw?
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by prophetjohn on Sep 4, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh, maths
I was told there would be no math.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 4, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's official scorer judgement
if the scorer thought the throw would have gotten him out, then it would have been unearned. The scorer didn’t think Skip had a shot at the out, so “earned runner on third” was the state, and the next guy got a single, scoring the run.
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
by SleepyCA on Sep 4, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
okay, makes sense
i’ll back to my original argument
fuck those pirates for having the audacity to score 6 runs off wainwright in one inning.
the offense showed them what we thought of that.
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by prophetjohn on Sep 4, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
pitch f/x sucks
/ducks!
Shut up, Fritz™.
by Alxfritz on Sep 4, 2009 11:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
why do you hate america?
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
by SleepyCA on Sep 4, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Adam Dunn!
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 4, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude...
pitchf/x=brownsball=gamecast
OK??
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by guayzimi on Sep 4, 2009 11:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hey, wRC
take brett wallace, for instance. worth 57.7 wRC for the 2009 season (memphis and sacramento)
does that translate to 5.77 offenseive WAR?
or am i oversimplifying it?
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by prophetjohn on Sep 5, 2009 12:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Very much so
That’s run’s created, not runs above replacement. 57 runs created on the year is about what Alex Rios has done in similar plate appearances which is below average overall and especially so for a defensively challenged 3B.
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by joker24 on Sep 5, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what's replacement level runs created?
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by prophetjohn on Sep 5, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoops I was looking at AA PAs as well
He’s been about 10 runs above average including AA in the minors this year. That said his MLE’s are making me feel better about the trade, .253/.309/.367 on the year…
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by joker24 on Sep 5, 2009 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
10 runs above average
would translate to 3 wins above replacement. not bad
maybe wasn’t as ready as i wanted him to be.
and his mle based on his first full season in the minors doesn’t change how i feel about the trade
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by prophetjohn on Sep 5, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
10 runs above the average in the leagues he was in, not MLB average
And didn’t say good about the trade, just better, he’s not really close if you go by the stats…though I still loved his BP at the futures game.
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by joker24 on Sep 5, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, i know that's 3 war in the minors
still, who else in the system, or in most systems, is worth 3 war at the triple a level the year after he was drafted?
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by prophetjohn on Sep 5, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gordon Beckham, Alvarez, Posey, Smoak...
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by joker24 on Sep 5, 2009 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
goog job taking it literally
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by prophetjohn on Sep 5, 2009 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
goog job spelling
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by prophetjohn on Sep 5, 2009 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good snark
But just pointing out that it’s not that rare.
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by joker24 on Sep 5, 2009 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i still think it's silly
to discount the way in which he flew through the minors. nothing is a guarantee, not even a good season at the major league level. i don’t see how him being this good, this soon, at this level could be considered anything other than immensely positive
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by prophetjohn on Sep 5, 2009 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's obviously a positive
But it doesn’t guarantee anything, especially when he really hasn’t been that good this year. All I’m saying.
I didn’t/don’t like the Holliday trade.
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by joker24 on Sep 5, 2009 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
of course it doesn't guarantee anything
i said that. and even when i didn’t, i think it’s just kind of implied that it’s all speculation and subjectivity. i never meant to present anything as some sirt of truth
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by prophetjohn on Sep 5, 2009 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so...
you’d rather we have Dunkiel still in LF and take our chances?
(Nevermind Brett possibly playing 3B later down the road, the question is simply in the now.)
(I think we’d still be first in the division without Holliday, but far from tops in the NL. Is it worth it to others to not just make the playoffs, but to dominate?)
Shut up, Fritz™.
by Alxfritz on Sep 5, 2009 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well obviously I'd rather have Holliday than Dunkiel right now
But the cost is Wallace’s 6 years, which is a big big cost.
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by joker24 on Sep 5, 2009 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and
no one had any idea holliday was going to be this good
if i remember correctly (and i do), almost no one here was in favor of the trade at the time of the trade. now that we’re revisiting it a month and a half later, it’s like people who still feel the same way, if even to a lesser extent, are now the outsiders
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by prophetjohn on Sep 5, 2009 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was disapointed that we lost Brett
but as soon as I saw the lineup + Holliday that afternoon I was over it. I think a lot of us felt that way.
Shut up, Fritz™.
by Alxfritz on Sep 5, 2009 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd wait on the "gut check" till we see who is playing 3B/LF next year...
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by joker24 on Sep 5, 2009 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we go to the Series, you feel the same way?
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Sep 5, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so which would you rather have?
when the trade was first made, I would have said Wallace, but I think Matt is worth it now.
Holliday is coming damn close to carrying us into the playoffs and I think he’ll pay for himself.
Shut up, Fritz™.
by Alxfritz on Sep 5, 2009 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather have the years and years of cost control
Wallace was going to go a long, long way in allowing us to allocate big time payroll elsewhere. Now a lot of that has to go to 3B for years forward.
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by joker24 on Sep 5, 2009 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If making the playoffs
nets a team 25 mil, isn;t two months og holliday and six years of not having Wallace worth it?
If Wallace can actually become a LF or 3B in thee bigs, maybe not, but I like the deal right now.
Shut up, Fritz™.
by Alxfritz on Sep 5, 2009 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
; og
lord that is brutal typing.
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by Alxfritz on Sep 5, 2009 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't feel bad
i’ve butured a lot of posts tonight, too.
is anyone else getting, on the comments way over to the right, where the box goes off the screen at a certain point and you can’t see what you’re typing?
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by prophetjohn on Sep 5, 2009 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
butchered*
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by prophetjohn on Sep 5, 2009 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, I pretty much give up half way through my sentences,
Shut up, Fritz™.
by Alxfritz on Sep 5, 2009 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That assumes we don't make the playoffs without Holliday
And with a 11.5 game lead, I will argue that one to death. In retrospect, we were going to make the playoffs without him.
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by joker24 on Sep 5, 2009 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the cardinals have had such a huge problem allocating payroll — weird deals like mulder, piñeiro, lohse, looper, maybe encarnacion — that i don’t see this as much of a problem. and it’s less of a problem if dewitt is sensible and recognizes that holliday’s the kind of guy for whom you raise payroll.
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by greenback06 on Sep 5, 2009 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
raising payroll
changes the entire dynamic of the discussion
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by prophetjohn on Sep 5, 2009 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
There’s no question that with the amount of money we’re going to have to pay our 3B, we could have played Wallace at 3B next year and signed Holliday outright as a free agent.
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by joker24 on Sep 5, 2009 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if wallace sucks then that’s not a particularly useful.
but the bigger point is they weren’t signing holliday without getting him in st. louis first. they’re not matching the yankees in sheer dollars. with boras as his agent and his dad having said what he said, i doubt the cardinals sign him anyway though.
St. Louis Cardinals -- 2006 World Champions
by greenback06 on Sep 5, 2009 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Given we're going to pay say 5+ mil to a 3B
And, what, offer 17-18 million for Holliday? I don’t think the Yanks would push past 23 million…
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by joker24 on Sep 5, 2009 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
holliday won't get that much
probably 15/yr
unless payroll is substantially increased
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by prophetjohn on Sep 5, 2009 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A 6 or 7 win player which Holliday has been for 3 years
Should be getting more than 15 million and I’m sure Scotty B isn’t missing that fact.
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by joker24 on Sep 5, 2009 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
should be
he’s averaging about a $27MM/yr worth over the last three seasons
still don’t see them paying holliday more than albert
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by prophetjohn on Sep 5, 2009 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It'd take a contract rewrite for Albert for that to happen
There’s 0% chance he gets less than 16M a year IMO.
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by joker24 on Sep 5, 2009 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe you're right
i guess if the cards are going to extend albert, it’s be this off season
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by prophetjohn on Sep 5, 2009 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the cardinals weren’t going to pass the ‘wallace savings’ onto holliday in the form of an extra $5 million. they’ve got a personal budget as well as a team budget.
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by greenback06 on Sep 5, 2009 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
right
but maybe we could have used that $5MM to address other needs?
arguing against saving payroll seems an odd strategy
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by prophetjohn on Sep 5, 2009 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don’t give a rat’s ass about saving payroll. i’m not dewitt, and i don’t think he’s going to give more money than a player’s worth just because he’s got a gold mine at 3b. the savings most likely would’ve been spent on another looper or mulder or weirdo edmonds extension.
i’m pretty dogmatic about this: payroll for the cardinals is as much a function of opportunity as it is raw cash flow. if they don’t have stars who take something along the lines of the hometown discount, then they have the same basic free agency policy as the pirates. that’s the way most teams operate.
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by greenback06 on Sep 5, 2009 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the friggin point
They wouldn’t be forced into a position where the only way they could afford someone is with a discount when you have a free 3B.
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by joker24 on Sep 5, 2009 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what’s the friggin point? they can’t sign somebody like holliday from the outside. i mean, who’s the best fa they’ve signed from the outside? isringhausen? nice guy to have, but he’s not exactly top tier, and supposedly he took a bit of a discount to be closer to home. after that it’s tino, at least in terms of marquee signings, and he was the booby prize for the yankees taking giambi.
the cardinals don’t win bidding wars, even if they have the cash to do so. that’s what moneyball says you’re supposed to do, avoid winner’s curse.
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by greenback06 on Sep 5, 2009 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you assume they would raise payroll now going forward
But wouldn’t in the off-season? Huh?
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by joker24 on Sep 5, 2009 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i’m saying they weren’t going to raise payroll if they can’t sign holliday to a ‘reasonable’ deal. and with boras as his agent, they had no chance of signing holliday to a reasonable deal unless he fell in love with st. louis or something.
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by greenback06 on Sep 5, 2009 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you say they wouldn't raise payroll next year anyway on what basis?
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by joker24 on Sep 5, 2009 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if obama passes legislation criminalizing baseball
it’s not useful either. wallace projects to be an above average mlb hitter. maybe he won’t be. eithe rway, he’s one of the best regarded hitting prospects in baseball
what did holliday’s dad say and why won’t we re-sign him? i saw we do
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by prophetjohn on Sep 5, 2009 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i’ve made it clear i’m not the biggest wallace fan. he might be an above-average hitter, but that’s not likely to happen in 2010, and that doesn’t take his defense into account. an average defensive first baseman who’s an average hitter is a 0 WAR player.
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by greenback06 on Sep 5, 2009 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wrong
WAR means “wins above replacement” and replacement != average
league average all around is about 2 WAR
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by prophetjohn on Sep 5, 2009 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
An average MLB hitter playing 1B is well below average
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by joker24 on Sep 5, 2009 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, no
wallace is a 3b and a 3b is adjusted at +2.5. so if wallace switched to 1b, he’d lose a rwin on the positional weighting, but he’d probably gain about as much from uzr for being an above average 1b. that’s why the positional value is weighted. a league average hitting 1b might slightly less valuable than a the same hitter at 3b, but i don’t think it’s that significant
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by prophetjohn on Sep 5, 2009 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
pj, you need to include the position adjustment, which for a 1b makes an average overall hitter into a 0-WAR player.
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by greenback06 on Sep 5, 2009 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
still no
first of all, i don’t know why we’re putting emphasis on 1b. either way, the positional adjustment for a 1b is -12.5 runs. that’s 1.25 war. which would come out to .75 war before you account for the fact that 1b is a pretty easy position
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by prophetjohn on Sep 5, 2009 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah
An MLB average hitter at 1B is clearly above replacement.
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by joker24 on Sep 5, 2009 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmm, i can’t find my source and upon further review may be confusing dh with 1b.
whatever the case, getting one win from a starter isn’t exactly exciting.
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by greenback06 on Sep 5, 2009 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
getting 3+ war from every player
isn’t feasible. that’s why getting them for free is optimal. especially when they translate into 5-7 war players 3-5 years from now
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by prophetjohn on Sep 5, 2009 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's close to being worth it
if we can sign him for the next three years and he plays at the level he has played at since coming to stl, it was worth it. probably. that partially depends on how close wallace comes to my expectations.
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by prophetjohn on Sep 5, 2009 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i mean
that’s about where colby is at in his first full year. and i wouldn’t trade colby for jesus christ himself (he can’t hit a curveball)
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by prophetjohn on Sep 5, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Colby is also a game changing defender while playing CF
Wallace is a 3B who’s probably a 1B. If he hits .253/.309/.367 in the bigs, Wallace is worthless.
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by joker24 on Sep 5, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
okay
i’m not saying the thing about colby isn’t true, but i also doubt everyone is so high on him because he’s one of the best defensive cfers in the game. he projects to be a great hitter with a lot of power, too
wallace projects to be probably a better hitter with a little less power. and i’m still not buying into all the digs on his defense. few people have seen him play and the majority of the opinion of his defense is formed almost exclusively by his size. in two years, i doubt he’s any worse than derosa is right now
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by prophetjohn on Sep 5, 2009 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just goin with what information I do have
Scouts can be wrong, but they’re also right a lot and it’s universal that they don’t think he’s very good at defense. In any case, assuming he even is average, he has to hit considerably better than he has this year in order to be a big leaguer. That’s not to say he won’t, there’s plenty of development time, just that the stats are saying he isn’t ready. Like I said I loved his BP, but it’s not like he’s beating down the door to the big leagues.
I don’t think many people would be enthused with Rasmus’ season if he were a 3B and not killing all things that go in the air to CF.
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by joker24 on Sep 5, 2009 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i never argued that he should have been on the team this year
(not in this thread at least)
but if you want me to, here are some players that have been on the team this year
thurston – .226/.320/.335
kaheel – .205/.292/.407
barden – .233/.286/.379
infection – .230/.242/.379
tgreene – .219/.261.324
man, guys, remember when we had to put up with this shit? the roster management was so bad earlier in the season
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by prophetjohn on Sep 5, 2009 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would you remind me of that?
The dark ages of 13 pitchers…and not pinch hitting for relief pitchers with the bases loaded.
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by joker24 on Sep 5, 2009 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and from what i've read,
it wasn’t universal that he was a bad defender. there was a lot of talk that he had dropped a bunch of weight and that he was considerably better than he got credit for.
the big argument was that we had him at 3b because albert was blocking him. then who is blocking him in oakland?
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by prophetjohn on Sep 5, 2009 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we're all eight inches here, guys.
/ducks again!
Shut up, Fritz™.
by Alxfritz on Sep 5, 2009 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
From BA
Some scouts say he’s too stiff to stay at third for the long term, while his advocates say he makes the plays he can get to and could become an average defender with more coaching.
So I mean we’re looking at best case average and the average 3B hits something like .270/.350/.450 which Wallace hasn’t done in the hitter’s league PCL. Again, I think he’ll surpass that eventually but it’s not a slam dunk to me anymore.
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by joker24 on Sep 5, 2009 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
those are pretty similar to luddy's numbers,
the league average 3b’s numbers. and luddy has a .338 woba. wallace’s 2009 AAA numbers translate into ~.350woba
in the just the pcl, he was .340 woba. so, yeah, he’s done that in the pcl
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Sep 5, 2009 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and hell, his pcl slash line is
.302/.346/.423
not sure what you’re talking about
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Sep 5, 2009 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Semantics but .302/.346/.423 < .270/.350/.450
But even that’s irrelevant as the PCL is a monster hitter’s league. Wallace’s MLE wOBA including AA by my excel wOBA with minorleaguesplits MLE’s is .298 which jives with the .253/.309/.367 MLE OPS. Again, he has to improve a lot.
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by joker24 on Sep 5, 2009 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
.302/.346/.423 < .270/.350/.450
wOBA disagrees
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Sep 5, 2009 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and either way, it's pretty damn close
the difference is +.032/-.004/-.027
you said "he hasn’t done that at the pcl. i’d say he has
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by prophetjohn on Sep 5, 2009 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay whatever
.302/.346/.423 is basically exactly the average of the Memphis/Sacramento teams, it’s not good in the PCL. It’s an average AAAer which is probably below replacement MLB.
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by joker24 on Sep 5, 2009 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's certainly below replacement at the mlb level
i don’t know why you keep arguing with me about whether or not he should’ve been on the team this ear.
if he’s average at the mlb level next year, that’s great. 2 wins for 400k is a bargain
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by prophetjohn on Sep 5, 2009 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because you keep arguing that his PCL numbers were good
Which they weren’t.
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by joker24 on Sep 5, 2009 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
i was arguing that his pcl numbers were as good as the numbers you assigned to a league average mlb 3b
and while i wasn’t arguing that his pcl numbers were good, they kinda are. especially for how quickly he got to AAA. league average at the mlb level is “good,” no?
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by prophetjohn on Sep 5, 2009 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
League average at AAA is not good
Prospects routinely dominate the PCL to a ridiculous degree.
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by joker24 on Sep 5, 2009 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On this note
I’m struggling to find any of the recent young stud hitters who hasn’t killed the PCL. I’m sure I’m missing someone, but yeah.
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by joker24 on Sep 5, 2009 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dunno i'd like to see numbers
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by prophetjohn on Sep 5, 2009 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just think...
That the entire argument about the Lego trade is missing a crucial point… that the FO felt pressure from Mang to win now whilst he is in his prime. Would Mang have stayed around in the alternate future in which Lego doesn’t come to the STL and OPS 1.000 for the last 2 months of the season? Methinks the psychological blow to Mang would have been too great, that he would have felt like the organization wasn’t committed to winning.
"If I'm in a slump, I ask myself for advice" - Ichiro
by Toppins on Sep 5, 2009 3:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that, and while we don't say it very much
Chris Carpenter.
I think many, many of the good things about this team are all about Carp. Other than the whole mustache craze, these were Carp’s calls. This is Carp’s season.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 5, 2009 7:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that's wildly overrated
We almost certainly hurt our 2010 chances. Does Pujols care more about ‘09 or ’10 when he’s closer to being a FA?
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by joker24 on Sep 5, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you see the video they posted at project prospect?
There’s not a snowball’s chance in hell he’s dropped weight but even if he did, he’s still got another 25 to drop to be considered a “bad body”.
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
by azruavatar on Sep 5, 2009 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
but i saw him in the futures game and he looked a lot slimmer than he did when i was first watching vidoes of him as a college player waddling down the base paths
his body is no worse than pablo sandoval’s
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Sep 5, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was at the future's game too
and I think everyone was primed to see a smaller Brett Wallace because of Derrick Goold’s comments before the event.
And cherry picking one really bad body type who might be an average defender ignores all the guys who had to move to 1st because they couldn’t pick it at 3rd.
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
by azruavatar on Sep 5, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have it on good authority...
that Jesus CAN hit a curveball…he’s just too busy throwing PERFECT games…
by Big Rev on Sep 5, 2009 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hear, hear Big Rev
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 5, 2009 7:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
.
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Sep 5, 2009 12:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ludwick was quite busy tonight
with 13 total bases, woo! 32 for the team
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2009 1:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
TESS my azz bizzitches
that’s rap for bitches (mad props to whomever can name the comedian)
also thank god (gob?) that I don’t have to make that damn video. would’ve been sweet though. already picked and downloaded the song i would’ve parodied……
by slu on Sep 5, 2009 3:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
did Wandy beat C. Lee?
HFS ®
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 5, 2009 7:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
damn. I almost don't hate Wandy.
That’s a Yadi at-bat.
Ball
Ball
Ball
Strike (looking)
Strike (looking)
Foul
Foul
Foul
Foul
W Rodriguez doubled to deep right, H Pence and J Keppinger scored, H Quintero to third
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 5, 2009 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have to hate Wandy...
It’s the law.
V, b.
by LukeMP1186 on Sep 5, 2009 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
will I be ticketed?
can I be let off with a warning?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 5, 2009 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how many times has Adam Wainwright run out of gas in Pittsburgh?
6ly, is there something rolling off the river that just gets him? It almost seems respiratory in nature. Could someone in charge please take care of that? Forget the W/L, that’s the A.D.A.M. we’re talkin’ ’bout.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 5, 2009 9:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you know, it could be
I’ve been to pittsburgh like 3 or 4 times, and every time i was there I got some kind of weird sinus infection that claritin couldn’t prevent. I’ve never been allergic anywhere else.
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
by SleepyCA on Sep 5, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm trying to put together stats on all his pittsburgh starts
hard when I’m sharing the computer today…
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 5, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh, this is beautiful
AW at PNC park:
6 GS, 4-0, 5.97 ERA, 1.73 WHIP, 1.8 K/BB, 5.5 K/9
AW Vs the pirates at home:
4 GS, 1-2, 4.29 ERA, 1.40 WHIP, 2.4 K/BB, 8.6 K/9
If that doesn’t illustrate the silliness of the W-L stat, nothing ever will.
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
by SleepyCA on Sep 5, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
when did they move to the current park?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 6, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really didn't expect to see this before the season started,
but I have no issue at all with it.
by LandSickness on Sep 5, 2009 9:56 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
this is pretty awesome too
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 5, 2009 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aren't there editors at yahoo?
How could such a terrible relief pitcher be accidentally placed on a league leader list?
by olddomination on Sep 5, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's just a typo. it should read "Sucks"
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 5, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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