What did we learn last night?
by chuckb on Sep 26, 2009 3:26 PM EDT
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What does this tell us? First, though we probably knew this already, we have no backup third baseman. If we did, putting the pitcher in DeRosa's spot would have been the obvious choice. At best, Khalil Greene and Joe Thurston are emergency third basemen. If either of them were a halfway viable option, DeRosa would've left the game. Second, Tony's becoming increasingly comfortable w/ using Skip in CF. He started in CF Monday against lefty Wandy Rodriguez, giving us an inkling that he might do this in the playoffs against lefties as well. Third, Tony's more comfortable w/ Lugo against the righties in the Rockies' pen than he is w/ Ankiel? If the Cards get to the World Series, who'll be the DH? I had previously thought he'd use Ankiel against righties and Lugo against lefties. The fact that he chose Lugo last night (when Ankiel could've gone to CF as well) tells me that Lugo may be the full-time DH should we make it to the series. I'd have no problem w/ that one.
Last night McClellan entered the game w/ Mike McCoy -- pinch running for Todd Helton who walked -- on first base and no one out. The leverage index when he entered the game was 2.99. 1.00 is average. This was an extremely high leverage situation. The average leverage index that McClellan faced last night was his highest of the season, as it went up when Jason Giambi's single moved Troy Tulowitzki to third base w/ 1 out. The question is why was Ryan Franklin not in the game? I've never been a huge Franklin fan but he's our closer and he's been without question our best reliever this season. For the season, Franklin's gmLI -- his average leverage index when entering the game -- has been 2.16. McClellan's has been 1.18. Tony has routinely trusted Franklin w/ the game on the line, thus his status as the team's closer. So why, w/ a man on and no one out in the bottom of the ninth, is Tony turning to McClellan rather than Franklin? Will he do the same in a week and a half?
To a certain degree, I'm feigning shock and awe. I know the answer...but it's a stupid answer. The answer is the old school rationale that, when on the road, you only use your closer when you have a lead to save the game and you don't use him while the game's still tied. The problem w/ that logic, of course, is that, b/c McClellan lost the game, Franklin never got to pitch. Our best reliever never got in the game b/c our offense couldn't get him a lead. This makes no sense whatsoever. Tony's not the only one guilty of this mistake (and pardon me for questioning Tony here!) but it makes no sense to lose a game w/ an inferior pitcher on the mound when the better pitcher is in the pen, never having entered the game.
Managers should turn to their best relievers first, in those high leverage situations, and work backwards. If Franklin was tired from having pitched 2 days in a row, it would have been understandable. But w/ Franklin rested, and w/ his spot in the order not due up for another 7 batters had we made it to the 10th, there was no reason for Franklin not to be in the game. Perhaps Franklin would've lost the game as McClellan did. It's not like he's been pitching that great of late but McClellan's mediocre at best. Our biggest weakness right now is in middle relief from the right side as neither Motte nor McClellan are that good. It's fortunate that Carp and Wainwright can go so deep into games. But Franklin's there for a reason and there's no reason to lose a game like that one last night w/o him pitching. If he blows it, at least Tony used his best bullets. Is McClellan taking over for Franklin? Has Franklin lost the closer's job? I think we all know the answer to those questions. Tony should've turned to Franklin.
There are no talks of an extension right now between the Cards and Scott Boras re: Holliday. No surprise there. It's in Holliday's interest to wait to see what the Red Sox, Yankees, and Mets plan to do and if they're interested in his services this offseason. He's going to get 1 crack at it so he may as well make the most of it. I know everyone expects him to take a below-market deal to stay in St. Louis b/c he loves it here, but I think if he stays, we're going to have to pony up for some big bucks!
Boras sees Rick Ankiel as a valuable commodity who could be starting for many teams in the league. I hope he's right. I'd like to see Rick starting somewhere else next year and I wish him the best of luck. I'm skeptical that there's that much of a market for a 31 year old OF w/ exceptionally poor plate discipline. I see him as, at best, a platoon player but maybe I'm wrong. Good luck, Rick. Maybe you can come up w/ a big hit or 2 in the postseason and improve your market.
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Disappointing loss last night, but the pitching wasn’t too bad, McClellan excepted, and we did get some hits, just couldn’t string them together or get the big XBH.
Let’s finish this off tonight. I’m tired of waiting.
by ArkansasTravs on Sep 26, 2009 3:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone else going to watch the Cubs/Giants game and root against the Cubs?
I’m also rooting for Andres Torres, who plays CF for SF and who is a friend. I would love to see him wearing the birds on the bat next year after we let Ank walk.
by thepainguy on Sep 26, 2009 3:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cubs loss almost a sweet as a Cards win
for the division…I have MLB.tv fired up and ready here at work.
F’ you Brian Wilson and a completely inept San Fran offense….but come on…it’s the cubs.
…come on, zito? (that’s just not natrual)
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Sep 26, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually tried rooting for the Cubs last year in the playoffs
by thepainguy on Sep 26, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't think there's anything on this planet
that would make me root for the cubs….even if “cubs win i get a halle berry, jennifer anniston, jamie pressley, anne hathaway orgy”.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Sep 26, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will say that I felt dirty afterwards
And a shower didn’t get me clean.
by thepainguy on Sep 26, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
replace Anne Hathaway with Jessica Beal and I would have to give it serious thought.
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
by KYCards on Sep 26, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
add jessica beal, then negotiations start because that is my lowball offer
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Sep 26, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Biel
Sorry, I’m not a spelling Nazi unless it happens to do with beautiful woman.
by Evilfrog on Sep 26, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thank you
I’m glad someone said it. And I agree about how spelling corrections are acceptable in this circumstance
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by albrtfn on Sep 26, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I sould have said
Yvonne Strahovski…who I can spell right LOL.
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
by KYCards on Sep 26, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just texted my friend.
He won’t let us down.
by thepainguy on Sep 26, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tony's late-inning moves were stupid.
You’re right that we might’ve lost that game anyway.
I don’t like seeing Skip move into the OF, especially to replace Colby. What a ridiculous, self-defeating move.
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Sep 26, 2009 3:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I forgot about last year
when Skip started 59 games in CF and entered as a sub another 20 times. He never seemed to be able to cover much ground when playing CF last season. At least we don’t have to worry about skip running into any walls in CF.
Hopefully, Tony is just playing around and testing out wild ass moves in case the quadruple switch is needed in the playoffs.
by ubeddie on Sep 26, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe...
Tony wanted to try a new reliever in a high leverage situation to see how he would respond, since our current closer has been struggling a little bit. I don;t have a problem with that move, McClellan had been pitching pretty well this month.
by rva on Sep 26, 2009 3:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The biggest reason the buttom of the 9th went that way
Was Ryan missing the DP.
by Evilfrog on Sep 26, 2009 4:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That was a key
that has been overlooked here.
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
by KYCards on Sep 26, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh the offense phoning it in.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Sep 26, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True.
But perhaps that could’ve been overcome with better decision making. Perhaps not.
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Sep 26, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont see how
McClellan came in with a runner on first and got a DP play ball. Colby won’t have got to that ball hit into CF either.
Would have been nice if McClellan got another DP ball. And maybe another Pitcher would have.
Also the fine defensive play by the Rockies 3rd baseman to rob Holliday was the biggest play of the game.
by Evilfrog on Sep 26, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Colby might have gotten to that ball, if he positions himself differently.
I don’t know that he does, though. Last night, Az questioned whether Schu would’ve gotten the runner at first as his arm is stronger than Lugo’s.
Meh. Just an annoying loss altogether.
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by spants on Sep 26, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
only thing that might have gone differently
is that the runner might not have been able to go first-third if rasmus was in CF. His arm is better and he’s faster, so he might have gotten to the ball faster even if positioned similarly.
Probably not, though. But still, replacing Colby on defense with Skip in the 9th inning (and, likewise, Skip with Lugo) should never, ever happen.
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
by SleepyCA on Sep 26, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
right.
I’m shocked that people are blaming McClellan- he came in, got the double play ball on the guy who is probably the most dangerous guy in the lineup, and then threw a good pitch to Giambi that got blooped into CF. If trevor miller does his job, or if brendan ryan does his job, or if Giambi doesn’t get lucky, the game doesn’t get “blown”.
Let’s give this some perspective- KMC came into a game with a run expectancy of 0.953, and gave up a run. He’s still only allowed 3 of 27 inherited runners to score this season, and he SHOULD have gotten out of it last night.
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
by SleepyCA on Sep 26, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Happy Birthday Dave Duncan!
Hopefully Wainwright can present him with a win!
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by albrtfn on Sep 26, 2009 4:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Really? Mine was yesterday.
I noticed that nobody got me anything.
by thepainguy on Sep 26, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
or Zito
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Sep 26, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't look at the ball, run.
Come on Panda.
by thepainguy on Sep 26, 2009 4:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
DeRosa finally...
makes it to Type A status… Looks like he’ll remain there. Awesome news for the franchise.
Ask me about my avatar!
by guayzimi on Sep 26, 2009 4:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
how so?
no one will sign him away now b/c of the type A status. He’d probably accept arbitration anyway but if he remained a type B, we’d have a chance at getting some compensation if he moves on. Now, there’s no chance. We either have to resign him or not offer him arbitration. No other team will give up a 1st rounder for him.
by chuckb on Sep 26, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
unless perhaps a team w/ a protected 1st rounder makes a run at him
in which case i would be perfectly happy w/ a 2nd rounder and a supplemental pick as well
by FunkeeC on Sep 26, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's that...
Also, it reduces his value on the FA market, thus increasing the chance of him signing a more club-friendly deal.
And someone may give up a first rounder for him. Last year first round picks were surrendered for Felipe Lopez, Brian Fuentes, Raul Ibanez, and K-Rod. DeRosa could potentially fit into that group.
Ask me about my avatar!
by guayzimi on Sep 26, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Felipe Lopez?
I think you meant Hudson
- 17 – Arizona Diamondbacks receive this pick as compensation for the Los Angeles Dodgers signing 2B Orlando Hudson
- 24 – Los Angeles Angels receive this pick as compensation for the New York Mets signing Francisco Rodriguez.
- 25 – Los Angeles Angels receive this pick as compensation for the New York Yankees signing Mark Teixeira.
- 27 – Seattle Mariners receive this pick as compensation for Philadelphia Phillies signing Raul Ibanez.
- 32 – Colorado Rockies receive this pick as compensation for Los Angeles Angels signing Brian Fuentes
by ubeddie on Sep 26, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bet the Cubs would...
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 26, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the cubs are a 3-game losing streak
and a similar winning streak by tampa bay, from having a protected pick this year…
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
by SleepyCA on Sep 26, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
f'in Cubs.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 26, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
line up
Schu 4, Rasmus 8, Pujols 3, Holliday 7, Ank 9, Yadi 2, Thurston 5, Ryan 6, Waino 1.
5-7 is a fearsome three!
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
by slu on Sep 26, 2009 4:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ank and Thurston in!?
I guess Tony doesn’t want to clinch just yet.
by zoomzoomj88 on Sep 26, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take the over
Do baserunning flubs count? How about crap ass swings?
by thepainguy on Sep 26, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
over/under 2 bases missed?
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
by slu on Sep 26, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
luddy's reward
for killing the rally
by EinFesteBusch on Sep 26, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
motherofasssonofafuckingbitchfuckfuckfuck
MAKE IT STOP MO FOR THE LOVE OF EVERYTHING HOLY MAKE IT STOP
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by gdm426 on Sep 26, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lineup against Ubaldo June 7
Schu 4, Rasmus 8, Pujols 3, Ank 9, Duncan 7, Yadi 2, Thurston 5, Ryan 6, Pineiro 1
that lineup scored 2 runs with 4 hits and 1 BB over 8 Innings along with 9 SO in 29 PA’s against Ubaldo. Both runs scored off of Albert’s ist inning sac fly.
Swapping Holliday for Duncan and going with the strategy that someone named Ubaldo can’t do this twice.
by ubeddie on Sep 26, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two runners scored off a sac fly?
Overthrow the catcher or some such nonsense?
I once shot a man just to see him die...then I got distracted and missed it.
by TheDuke32 on Sep 26, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Colby had wheels, and the outfielder fell down after making the catch
Testicle-exploding shit storm, circa 7/12/08 - We will never forget!
by bjork24 on Sep 26, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Closer on the road
The old school thinking of not burning the closer on the road until the team has the lead is one that frustrates me as well. TLR had the thought process all laid out to start the inning, but the walk wasn’t in his plan. Once Helton walked, the strategy needed to be adjusted. I don’t know if Franklin wasn’t ready so Tony couldn’t change his mind or if Tony is too old school. But as chuck wrote, I think I know the answer.
by ubeddie on Sep 26, 2009 4:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Come on Gigantes
Cubs are giving you opportunities.
by thepainguy on Sep 26, 2009 4:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the giants gave the cubs a huge opportunity
by signing fucking zito
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Sep 26, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would've preferred Motte to both McClellan and Franklin last night
his K/BB for September is 5.50 and he hasn’t had an outing without a K since 9/12
but let’s be honest. McClellan’s pitching and TLR’s double-switch aren’t the reasons we lost last night. Ludwick’s homer was our only XBH all night. If we’re going to be a small-ball team with the ability to produce runs anywhere in the lineup, let’s embrace that identity like the Rox did last night. Neither of their runs came on hits. Live by the HR, die by the HR.
by EinFesteBusch on Sep 26, 2009 4:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
barry zito......
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
by slu on Sep 26, 2009 4:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
not the same guy he was in oakland
that’s for sure.
by zoomzoomj88 on Sep 26, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stupid 7 year $126M contract
Bet the Giants are happy they nabbed him now!
by zoomzoomj88 on Sep 26, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pujols "best ever"
Holliday says Pujols is the best ever. I think Albert may be th e best of his generation, possibly better than BBonds/Arod because we’ll never know the extent or impact of their steroid usage. Best ever? I guess I’d have to go with Ruth and it wouldn’t be close. Ted Williams would be next for me. I think Albert may very well be in the next group of players like Aaron, Musial, Mays, Hornsby, Cobb, Bonds, Mantle, A-Rod (sure I’m missing one or two).
Maybe i’m wrong and there is a case for Albert, but Ruth was so much better than his peers and you gotta like the pitching record on top of that.
Just win
by The Duke on Sep 26, 2009 5:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not best ever
But best of the generation by a ton.
by zoomzoomj88 on Sep 26, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Playing against competition that is in better shape
and that are the best in the world give Pujols bonus points that Teddy and Ruth did not have. Also, defense/baserunning included makes it a lot closer than I think you are giving credit for. I’m not saying he is the best ever but those things need to be accounted for.
I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and sticks when they've invented the lighter?
by nomar34 on Sep 26, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like the Cubs are going to let us have a chance
to win it on the field again.
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
by KYCards on Sep 26, 2009 5:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I didn't get to see the game last night
but it sounds like maybe Tony wanted to test McClellan in a potential playofff preview to see if he could handle the pressure. just a guess but anyway….
let’s clinch today!!
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 26, 2009 5:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i am sick of Tony
it’s time for him to go. his in game management has gone to hell. you never ever EVAR take out you best defensive player & sub in on of your worsts. and he’s done this over & over again. this isn’t just a one time deal, he always pulling Cody, and it never works out. he can no longer recognize real baseball talent. he’s relying too heavily on outdated baseball logic. he’s still playing favorites & managing with his heart instead of his brain.
it’s a shame to, because i love the guy. i always have since his Oakland days. and i always will. but it’s very clear to me he’s lost a step or five, and it’s time for him to go. i’d rather him ride off into the sunset in the bay area where it doesn’t matter if you win or lose, than sabotaging potential world series flags here.
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by gdm426 on Sep 26, 2009 5:09 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Luhnow for manager?
he’s about as un-Tony as it gets
by EinFesteBusch on Sep 26, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I loved Tony throughout most of his run here
but it seems since the WS win (and I may totally be forgetting some rather crazy stuff before that) Tony LaRussa really has let Crazy Tony ( I mean that in a fast-talking used car salesman kind of way, not the insane kind of way) sneak out way, WAY too often.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Sep 26, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I say fire TLR when we have consecutive losing seasons
Last time that happened? 94-95. Tony took us within 1 win of the WS in 96.
Just sayin….
by nota bene on Sep 26, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i said nothing about firing him
he’s done so much for this team, i don’t think we could ever thank him enough. but he’s also done a lot of very, very questionable things that i think we have a right to question his logic & reason. or if any were used at all.
i’m tired of him playing favorites, i’m tired of him take Cody out for no reason, i’m tired of his poor in game management, i’m tired of him not have to answer for his mistakes. he has no accountability. he can do whatever he wants, whenever he wants & no one will tell him he’s wrong. and almost every time, his mistakes cost the Cardinals games. and i’m just tired of it.
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by gdm426 on Sep 26, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no argument here
but he’s also done a lot of very, very questionable things that i think we have a right to question his logic & reason.
by nota bene on Sep 26, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Braves won again
think the Braves have any shot of catching the Rockies (three back in the loss column – eight to play)? I would hate to see that team in a short series.
by ubeddie on Sep 26, 2009 5:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They would if
The Rockies got to face a team that could score more than 1 run against them this weekend….POW.
It’s just a joke folks…..I hope.
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
by KYCards on Sep 26, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks so!
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Sep 26, 2009 5:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
When would the one-game playoff against the Cubs be?
Monday, October 5th?
by olddomination on Sep 26, 2009 5:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Troll much?
I’ll tell you what. If there is a one-game playoff I’ll buy you a ticket to the game.
by Evilfrog on Sep 26, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll buy all his fucking beer
Damn I hate completely Negative Nancies.
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Sep 26, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't think the Cards
can win 1 game at Cincy?
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
by KYCards on Sep 26, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i lol'd.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Sep 26, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haven't our memphis birds joined us?
If so, we have at least one perfect late inning defensive switch – david freese. Also the idea of starting joe thurston at third with freese, both greenes, and derosa on the team makes me ill.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Sep 26, 2009 5:20 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
that's what I was wondering
why he didn’t mention Freese
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 26, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we were tied
we didn’t need a defensive replacement. We needed someone to hit in the top half of the 10th, should we get there. Think Tony was going to go w/ Freese? Really?
by chuckb on Sep 26, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it woulda been nice ;)
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 26, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, first off, it's not accurate to
Say we have no backup 3b. Freese is clearly that.
While tony may have been unlikely to play freese in that situation, it’s easily arguable that he was at least as good an offensive option as lugo and ankiel. Ankiel has been terrible for more than a year. Lugo has been pretty awful for several years – it’s very likely his initial streak with the cards is unsustainable.
Freese is also likelý a better defensive option than either lugo or ankiel. In a tie game, defense is still pretty important.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Sep 26, 2009 6:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
starting Thurston is insanity
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 26, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Freese hasn't perfected the shoulder bump yet
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
by KYCards on Sep 26, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So, if the Braves can overtake the Rockies, does that mean we face PHI for the NLDS?
Testicle-exploding shit storm, circa 7/12/08 - We will never forget!
by bjork24 on Sep 26, 2009 5:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes, unless we take over the top spot in the league.
Yo MLBPA, I'm really happy for you, and I'mma let you finish, but Albert is the most ridiculous player of all time. OF ALL TIME!
by vexedtechie on Sep 26, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So I went to this Sedgwick's Bar in Chicago last night...
They’re Cardinal friendly. Had the game on multiple TVs, Cards gear hanging on the walls. It was wonderful (and odd) to be only a couple of miles from Wrigley and have a roomful of people cheering for the Cardinals.
I once shot a man just to see him die...then I got distracted and missed it.
by TheDuke32 on Sep 26, 2009 5:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah I checked that place out, I wanna head over there for a few playoff games
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 26, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tonight's game is on MLB Network
and I didn’t realize until just now. Cool.
by zoomzoomj88 on Sep 26, 2009 6:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tomorrow's game is on TBS
But hopefully we’ll have… oh never mind. I’ve been jinxing too much lately.
by zoomzoomj88 on Sep 26, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is awesome
I actually get to watch both games this weekend!! might be late for my friend’s bday party, but oh well
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 26, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ditto
it’s nice not having to rely on mlb.tv
by zoomzoomj88 on Sep 26, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and all of last weekend's games too.
I once shot a man just to see him die...then I got distracted and missed it.
by TheDuke32 on Sep 26, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
damn it zoomzoom
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Sep 26, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Per MLBTradeRumors.com
Little bit on Ankiel:
Bernie Miklasz of the St. Louis Post Dispatch believes super agent Scott Boras will be able to convince a GM to “wildly overpay” Rick Ankiel in a new contract this winter. Boras is apparently trying to spin the outfielder as “a combination of Willie Mays, Mickey Mantle, Joe DiMaggio,[and] Duke Snider.”
HAHAHAHAHA
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Sep 26, 2009 6:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Scott Boras is a greedy moron
But I’m sure some team will overpay Ank (ie, Pirates). As much as I’ve been an Ank fan over the years and have loved his comeback story with the Cards, I think it’s time the two sides go their own ways.
by zoomzoomj88 on Sep 26, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
when was the last time
The Pirates paid for anyone?
by Evilfrog on Sep 26, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's anything but a moron
if anything, he’s a vicious predator that feeds on morons. Or at least on their money.
Remember the “oliver perez is the next sandy koufax” bit he used to get Minaya to bid against himself last year?
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
by SleepyCA on Sep 26, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
minaya's not the brightest bulb in the box
and he’s probably out of a job soon. i don’t see anyone but pitt going after dick, and they won’t pay top dollar for him. maybe KC or Seattle will test the waters, but i can’t off the top of me head think of any other team that would go for him.
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by gdm426 on Sep 26, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
cubs might need a new outfielder this winter
It's official. Cardinals third basemen are jinxed.
by YesWeOquendo on Sep 26, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
his fragile psyche wouldn't last a second in that outfield
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by gdm426 on Sep 26, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stretching the truth there Scott
Best regards,
Ari Gold
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now"…long pause…then an "aahhh". --Mike Shannon
by KYCards on Sep 26, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"wildly ovepay"
Rick getting more than one year would be surprising.
by ubeddie on Sep 26, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's the story regarding MLB.TV + Playoffs?
Can you watch any of the games?
Testicle-exploding shit storm, circa 7/12/08 - We will never forget!
by bjork24 on Sep 26, 2009 6:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Figured it out for myself by combing through the small type: No, they are not available.
Thank you, MLB.
Testicle-exploding shit storm, circa 7/12/08 - We will never forget!
by bjork24 on Sep 26, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and yet they are still charging $14.95 for like 10 games left
unbelievable
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 26, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two words: greedy bastards
We've won the NL Central 7 times, and we won the World Series the last time we did it. How about a repeat?
by zoomzoomj88 on Sep 26, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a gallery of a young mang
the mang before he was the mang
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
by slu on Sep 26, 2009 6:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Didn't know he hit a walkoff to win the PCL championship...
…how fitting.
Yo MLBPA, I'm really happy for you, and I'mma let you finish, but Albert is the most ridiculous player of all time. OF ALL TIME!
by vexedtechie on Sep 26, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why do you think Memphis has an off color seat in their outfield stands?
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by gdm426 on Sep 26, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
CUBBIES WIN
Now lets please do that thing which shall not be named until its actually happened and shower ourselves in that unspecified golden liquid in jubilation over said event which shall not be mentioned.
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
by slu on Sep 26, 2009 7:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
golden showers?
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Sep 26, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Franky said on the pregame he wants it shot in his eyes
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by gdm426 on Sep 26, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you look at what you wrote in a different way...
or did you intend it to be that way?
We've won the NL Central 7 times, and we won the World Series the last time we did it. How about a repeat?
by zoomzoomj88 on Sep 26, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL.
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
"POOL TEMPERATURES FUCK YEAH"--tgreenfield, The September 10th-11th VEB Off-Topic Explosion
by andi_k on Sep 26, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're not supposed to capitalize "Cubbies win"
unless it was “CUBBIES LOSE”
We've won the NL Central 7 times, and we won the World Series the last time we did it. How about a repeat?
by zoomzoomj88 on Sep 26, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was afraid that the caps, with their fake excitement and all, would be gob tempting enough
but alas, i already hit post…so we’ll see how well it works.
I'm like a polygon, I'm edgy.
by slu on Sep 26, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should learn from me and what I've done...
We've won the NL Central 7 times, and we won the World Series the last time we did it. How about a repeat?
by zoomzoomj88 on Sep 26, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Follow me to freedom!
We've won the NL Central 7 times, and we won the World Series the last time we did it. How about a repeat?
by zoomzoomj88 on Sep 26, 2009 7:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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