Thursday stuff
by chuckb on Sep 24, 2009 7:15 AM EDT
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Smoltz wasn't too bad in his 2nd start since his 10 day layoff. Of course, we still can't hit Bud Norris. If the plan is for Smoltz to pitch in the bullpen in the playoffs, isn't it time to see if he can warm up quickly and otherwise get his arm ready to pitch out of the pen?
The Cards voided the contract of Wagner Mateo based on some issue related to his vision. Put aside the notion that we might use those $3 M toward resigning Matt Holliday. The team's budget and the player development budget are 2 different budgets and 1 doesn't affect the other.
The team promoted 4 players and guess what...Allen Craig isn't among them. Why should they? With Troy Glaus a healthy, productive, right handed bat w/ power off the bench, why would we need another? Instead the team chose David Freese, Tyler Greene, Josh Kinney (who actually MIGHT play a role in the postseason) and Matt Pagnozzi, the prodigy behind the plate who "batted" a robust .221/.299/.308 in the hitter-friendly PCL this year.
Tony says that, despite team splits of .235/.312/.367 against lefties, we have nothing to worry about in the postseason. If that's true, why did he start Skip Schumaker in CF Monday against Wandy Rodriguez instead of Rasmus or Ankiel? Could it be b/c of this? Now, Skip's not a lot better against lefties and he certainly isn't better in CF than Rasmus, but he does give the team a slight improvement at the plate over Colby. Of course, it's doubtful that he's worth what he costs the team defensively but the very fact that Tony's experimenting w/ CF the way he is indicates that he's not completely sold on the team's ability to hit lefties. (I apologize for any suggestion here that the team is flawed, btw!) If you look at what would be the starting 8's splits vs. lefties as Cardinals this year they are .271/.357/.434 w/ Skip and .264/.350/.436 w/ Colby. Both are respectable. However, that's also w/ Albert getting 179 PAs -- approximately 20% of the total. Needless to say, in the postseason he'd get slightly more than 11% of the PAs. Ryan Ludwick, FWIW, has 2 homers against lefties in 142 PAs this season.
Finally, right now the Cards sit in 3rd place in the NL -- just behind the Dodgers and Phils -- in the race for home field throughout the playoffs. If the playoffs began today, we would play the Dodgers and the Phils would play the Rockies. I think the Dodgers are the team I'd prefer to play in the first round. Sure, they have Wolf and Kershaw but the Phils have Lee and Hamels. Ubaldo Jimenez is really tough and I'm not sure we're better off facing him twice out of 4 or 5 games than we would be facing him in a 7 game series. The Phils may have the weakest pen but they also have the best lineup. Which team would you prefer to face in the first round? Or...discuss whatever you want to discuss (as if you need my permission!).
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Still pretty bummed about Mateo
Kid looked really good. I hope someone picks him up.
by LandSickness on Sep 24, 2009 8:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I feel terrible for Wagner Mateo
What a crushing letdown, to go from a $3 million-plus contract and a ticket out of what I can only presume would be a challenging life to — what? It will be an tremendous ongoing test of character for him to put something like that behind him and not spend much of his life thinking about what might have been.
I don’t blame the Cardinals. They aren’t running a charity, their Mark Mulder Foundation notwithstanding. But that doesn’t ease the disappointment for Wagner and his family.
And this business can’t help the Cards’ scouting prospects in the Dominican. No doubt there will be plenty of criticism of the organization there, possibly much of it ill-informed. But ill-informed or no, perceptions matter.
by Youneverknow on Sep 24, 2009 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would venture to guess
that we will not be getting any of the higher level dominican talent for a few years. Hopefully Pujols can do something to help the team out in his mother land.
by dcfcblues on Sep 24, 2009 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i disagree
if we offer the most money(as we did with mateo and de la cruz) we will get the talent we want
money matters more than perceptions
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Sep 24, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not if Mateos agent and talent factory blacklist the Cards
from what I understand, these guys are the dominican scott boras’s
by dcfcblues on Sep 24, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they're the Domincan Scott Borases
$$$ still talks.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Sep 24, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
money will win out
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Sep 24, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's sadder than seeing your baseball career get taken away as a teenager?
How about seeing the whole Empire go bye-bye at Age-11? Wow.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/24/nyregion/24osman.html?hpw
Now THAT’S a pisser!
by siddfynch on Sep 24, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
in fairness, it is an open question which is more valuable:
the ottoman empire or a rent-controlled apartment at 75th and Lexington.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Sep 24, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you had to beat me to it
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Sep 24, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 bedrooms even
right by the subway…thats some prime real estate
Free Milton
by all4tookie on Sep 24, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keys to the Royals for forever
or Albert for his career
Free Milton
by all4tookie on Sep 24, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
rent-controlled
you gotta take that.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 24, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just think
The last time the Cubs won a World Series, the Ottoman Empire was still around!
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Sep 24, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, it's a bad situation all-round
from the bits I saw (and I am certainly no expert), I’m not convinced he was worth the $3m bonus, but if it puts us off offering to high-profile latin kids in future, it’s probably a bad thing for the club as well as Mateo.
I still get the feeling he might catch on somewhere, just likely for a much smaller bonus…
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Sep 24, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that all depends
on how bad the conditions are that he has.
by saladdays on Sep 24, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How does it affect high-talent Latin kids' perception of us?
Does this make it more difficult to win over these types of prospects going forward?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 24, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if we offer more money...we will win them over
thats how it always works
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Sep 24, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ted...Is that you?
MUA HA HA HA! EVERYBODY HAS A PRICE!
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 24, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Unless they have degenerative eye issues
no one is going to care about this in a year’s time. The only way this goes bad is if grievance proceedings are filed and leaked and the Cardinals turn out to be horrible people. Again, this whole situation is media fluff.
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
by azruavatar on Sep 24, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Media fluff?
A $3 million contract voided? (And the largest amateur signing bonus in Cards history, right?) Legal proceedings threatened by the player’s agent?
I don’t understand what you mean by media fluff. I haven’t even perceived the thing to have gotten a ton of media attention. Not even the Post has given it extensive coverage. Adequate, perhaps, but hardly extensive.
by Youneverknow on Sep 24, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it means that next year if we make the best offer to a prospect, they arent gonna take the 2nd best just out of some anger toward the team
by FunkeeC on Sep 24, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In other words
it has nothing to do with media fluff. You are merely repeating what others have already said about money being the deciding factor in a family’s decision.
by Youneverknow on Sep 24, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no in other words
all the hand wringing is just media filling time….
by FunkeeC on Sep 24, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The voiding may be a significant occurence
the REASON behind that is not. Nor is any feigned disgruntlement for future prospects.
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
by azruavatar on Sep 24, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember when RA Dickey got voided after his physical turned up no UCL in his pitching arm?
Which team was that who backed out on him again….
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Sep 24, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem is the way it was reported in the first place
Rather than say “The cardinals have tentatively come to terms with WM pending the results of a physical”, they said “OMG Cardinals signed WM for $3M”. And then “OMG, Coldhearted Cardinals voided contract with poor blind kid”.
This actually seems like a case of our medical staff finally doing their jobs (unless they got this one wrong, too, and he goes on to sign witht he cubs and become the next Sammy Sosa).
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
by SleepyCA on Sep 24, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The med staff could have it right
and he could still be the next Sammy Sosa. It’s a probabilities game. Degenerative conditions don’t degrade at the same rate for the same people.
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
by azruavatar on Sep 24, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True Dat...
…people have been calling me degenerate for years, and I’m still here…
;=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Sep 24, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
" and he goes on to sign witht he cubs and become the next Sammy Sosa"...
Oh, u mean become an-udder lying, cheating steroid abuser? Let’s hope not.
:=8/
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Sep 24, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and then go to the Sox
to be the reverse Sammy Sosa
Mizzou 37 - Illinois 9
by STLRegalia on Sep 24, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Signing a 16-year-old
to the largest amateur signing bonus in club history is an OMG story.
I said in my original post above that I think the Cards made the right decision to void the contract. They didn’t have a choice. But for you to write that the media is in the wrong in how it has reported the story (??!!), that makes no sense to me.
by Youneverknow on Sep 24, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
re: media
here’s Jeff Passan ripping the team. This article is on the Yahoo MLB front page.
Mateo, in the meantime, continues to train. Mercedes wants him to forget about the Cardinals. It is not that easy. He is 16. His family remains impoverished. St. Louis provided him the gateway out.
"I am proud to sign with the Cardinals, a team with so much history," Mateo said on July 2, the day he believed his life changed. The Cardinals sent scouting director Jeff Luhnow to Santo Domingo for a news conference. Mateo wore a Cardinals jersey and cap and a big smile.
Everything he saw that day was clear and perfect.
"Now it’s going to be tough," Mercedes said. "It’s brutal. Now they’re going to say he’s hindered. No. He’s not. He can play."
And he will. Wagner Mateo will swing a bat and catch balls and hope that his eye gets better. And he’ll never, ever forget the day the St. Louis Cardinals called him defective and kept the millions. Because who could?
Passan spends almost no time discussing Mateo’s condition, choosing instead to spend most of it on bashing the Cards FO.
by nota bene on Sep 24, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
mr. moocow did a fanpost on this lol
if you look down, i mentioned it once too :P
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2009/9/24/1052930/jeff-passan-thinks-the-cards-are
Go Cards!
by hr on Sep 24, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But Not aq Very Good One...
:=8/
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Sep 24, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
I agree with you that Passan’s article is unfair.
by Youneverknow on Sep 24, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cardinals have a charity: Cardinal Care.
It’s based in St. Louis, not the Dominican. I understand the life situation that Mateo was born into and that his family lives in every day and I can only imagine how happy they all were on the day he signed, but his physical condition did not meet the standards of the Cardinals. The contract was therefore voided as this was the contingent language agreed to by Mateo and his representative. This is not a sob story. I wish Mateo the best and hope that his vision is fine, but the Cardinals organization is not the evil villain here. They made a business decision, just like they did with Aaron Miles and countless other players and prospects. This piece by Passan is shoddy writing.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 24, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
It’s one thing to empathize with Wagner for the unfortunate nature of all of this. It’s another to moralize the situation.
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Sep 24, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I stand by my statement in the fanpost....
Jeff Passan is an Asshat.
"Obviously, tipping pitches didn't help" - John Smotzl
"If you disrespect the Baseball Gods, you'll get slapped." - TLR
by RiverRat on Sep 24, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dear jeff passan --
we are pleased to learn that you wish to make up for the cardinals’ shoddy treatment by donating 90% of your salary to dominican orphans and living in a cardboard box this year. we hope an in-kind donation of $3m will be forthcoming from the good people at Yahoo! Sports.
Those orphans are counting on you.
Best,
Cards fans
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Sep 24, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
+3.1million
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Sep 24, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's probably impressed we even have $3.1 million to throw around...
Because judging by the attendance in mid-30 degree weather in last year’s opening series with Colorado, Cardinal fans have given up on the franchise.
V, b.
by LukeMP1186 on Sep 24, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Had to rec that...
That article came to mind after reading his piece about the Mateo situation.
Any idiot would know that.
by Epic on Sep 24, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Passan must be a cubs fan I think
he’s written 2 or 3 sensationalist articles absolutely murdering the Cards this year, including one at the start of the year saying we had no chance of making it to post-season.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Sep 24, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kansas City
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 24, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
either way it's pretty f'ing bush league
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Sep 24, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jeff Passan
is an Asshat….or a fucktard….your choice.
"Obviously, tipping pitches didn't help" - John Smotzl
"If you disrespect the Baseball Gods, you'll get slapped." - TLR
by RiverRat on Sep 24, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can I put fucktard in a sig?
"Obviously, tipping pitches didn't help" - John Smotzl
"If you disrespect the Baseball Gods, you'll get slapped." - TLR
by RiverRat on Sep 24, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Y’all just had a whole discussion about it.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Sep 24, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's see if we can disagree with his opinion
without just flinging random names around. . . technically the community guidelines frown on that.
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
by azruavatar on Sep 24, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So I shouldn't sig that then.
got it.
"Obviously, tipping pitches didn't help" - John Smotzl
"If you disrespect the Baseball Gods, you'll get slapped." - TLR
by RiverRat on Sep 24, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Asshat isn't random
the guy worked hard his whole damn journalistic career for that title, and now you’ll deny him??? Petty, Azru, petty….
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Sep 25, 2009 4:15 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
KC? you're saying he's a Royal's fan?
That makes sense too because they have a 1 sided rivalry with the cards, kind of like the ones in high school where the Nerds hated the Popular People but the Popular People didn’t know the Nerds existed. I only found out about a few years back and that was by pure accident…if anything they should love the cards because they stole their only WS from them.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Sep 24, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Craig & the postseason roster
With the 4 call-ups only one had to be added to the 40 man roster and that only brought us up to 39. I think Freese or Greene is going to make the post season roster as well since Tony has hinted at a smaller bullpen during the playoffs and if Glaus is “physically unable to play” then we can replace him with any member of the organization and use Freese or Greene as the bench bat.
While I would rather see what Craig can do over Greene (I feel confident that he is going to be a decent bat and glove sooner rather than later) there is no reason to put him on the 40 man roster at this time (not sure if he is Rule 5 eligble this off season though). If Craig doesn’t get a spring training invite then feel free to complain as loud as you want but right now there is no real reason to. We brought up needed parts and right now a leftfielder is not what they want (I do think Craig can hold down the fort at 3rd but the organization doesn’t seem to think that too).
Anyway as for the post season roster here is what I see us carrying:
2: Molina, LaRue
3: Pujols
4: Schumaker, Thurston, Lugo
5: DeRosa, Greene, K
6: Ryan, Greene, T
7: Holliday
8: Rasmus, Ankiel
9: Ludwick
Total: 14 Position Players
SP: Carp, Wainwright, Pineiro, Lohse
RP: Franklin, Smoltz, McClellan, Motte, Miller, Reyes, one of Hawksworth, Wellemeyer and Thompson
Total: 11 Pitchers
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
by StLHugo on Sep 24, 2009 8:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is there any reason to take Kahlil into the postseason?
I think I’d rather have Freese as the backup 3B than K-Bot.
"Don't do anything till I get back!" - Jesus to the Cubs
by cardzfanbub on Sep 24, 2009 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's healthier than Freese
when there’s a bizarre DP injury involving Manny Ramirez’s hair, you’ll want that extra guy.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 24, 2009 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
uhm, Glaus
holy crap, I can’t even type the third basemen right!
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 24, 2009 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would rather have Freese
but I think the chance that KBot doesn’t make it and Freese does is slim.
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
by StLHugo on Sep 24, 2009 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
hooves up for Tasty Freese and the Hawk; hooves down for KBot and Puppykicker
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Sep 24, 2009 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it's hard not to take Hawksworth
he’s been a fair bit better than PK and (blech) Wellemeyer. I think he might actually (at least until this week) have been ahead of Motte in the pecking order, anyhow, so I’m sure he’ll make it. TLR’s generally been quite good at cutting the deadwood (bipolar betty in 2006) from the postseason rosters.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Sep 24, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I'd Take...
Boggsy over Wellemyer at this point too.
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Sep 24, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 24, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boggs would be my 4th starter at this point
he’s looked more impressive than Lohse, except perhaps for the last 10 days
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Sep 24, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't think freese was eligible for the postseason?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Sep 24, 2009 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe if Glaus goes on the DL?
by FlimtotheFlam on Sep 24, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Flim-
I got my hoodie- it looks great!!
Now if the freakin’ weather in NoCal will cool off enough to wear it. These near 100 degree days aren’t cutting it as sweatshirt weather….
Thanks for making these VEB-wear items…. last time that happened the Cards won it all!
Don't ping my cheese with your bandwidth.
by RosevilleRedbird on Sep 24, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good to hear
Don’t have mercy though on you having good weather
by FlimtotheFlam on Sep 24, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's pretty chilly here in San Francisco
The weather in this city never fails to confuse me.
by mojowo11 on Sep 24, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly the assumption I was making
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
by StLHugo on Sep 24, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what about welley?
clearly has no role in the postseason and has barely pitched.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Sep 24, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're right...
scratch what I said.
"Don't do anything till I get back!" - Jesus to the Cubs
by cardzfanbub on Sep 24, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What Flim said.
"Obviously, tipping pitches didn't help" - John Smotzl
"If you disrespect the Baseball Gods, you'll get slapped." - TLR
by RiverRat on Sep 24, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Freese vs. K. Greene
We pretty much have to have K. Greene. The only position player we can replace is Glaus, IF he is DL’d – all of the others are ‘locked’ in, barring an injury….
KJOK
by KJOK on Sep 24, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
We had 28 or something “eligble” players at the deadline, of those if any is physically unable to play then we can “replace” them. Glaus is physically unable to play so he can be replaced with anyone we want out of the organization, add that person to the other 27 and then choose 25, so 3 could be left off. K Green could be one of the ones, Thurston could be, a pitcher could be. We have plenty of options to leave off, but only 1 extra person in the pool because of Glaus. Another injury just gives us another person in the pool to choose from.
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
by StLHugo on Sep 24, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
right
matt leach goes into it in more detail here.
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
by SleepyCA on Sep 24, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my source of information actually
probably should have linked to it
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
by StLHugo on Sep 24, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HFS!
Thurston has been on this roster all season long! And we are a favorite to win the world series! Inconceivable!
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Sep 24, 2009 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The GOBs will have their revenge...
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Sep 24, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My problem with not calling up Craig
Is the convenient use of justifications once again. Last year, Colby wasn’t called up because he hadn’t “earned” it. Well what more could Craig have done to “earn” the call-up? Even if he doesn’t play, I think he deserved a call up and frankly why not get him some ABs instead of Kaheel or the ghost of Troy Glaus.
by OCCardsFan on Sep 24, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because it burns one of Criaig's option years for no good reason (n/t)
by SouthsideCardsFan on Sep 24, 2009 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
which is why I am not as upset as some over this. But still, we don’t need no stinkin’ KBot in October…
:=8/
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Sep 24, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At 25
if AC needs all of those option years he is not going to worth the time anyways. Burning one year of them would not affect anything.
I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and sticks when they've invented the lighter?
by nomar34 on Sep 24, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
You guys are over thinking these options
by FlimtotheFlam on Sep 24, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a Late Bloomer...
;=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Sep 24, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like Skippy,
which means he’ll be pretty low-cost for the bulk of his most productive seasons.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 24, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The option year ain't worth much. . .
but Craig’s contribution over the last 10 meaningless games is worth nothing – zero – zilch, because there’s no way TLR uses him in the postseason, even if Mozeliak wins the Pyrrhic victory to include him on the postseason roster.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Sep 24, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
until we can guarantee games free of injury, I am not happy with the reasoning of carrying "too many guys"
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 24, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
REC'ed...
…for use of Pyrrhic victory…
:=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Sep 24, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but it's ok to burn pagnozzi's
a guy who has done nothing to earn it
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Sep 24, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We should tell Allen to change his name to Pettini
It’s worth a try.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Sep 24, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or Gaetti.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 24, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But Paggzi...
…is a catcher; moost play-off teams carry a 3rd catcher, if they can.
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Sep 24, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We don't even use LaRue
why the hell would we need a third?
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
by azruavatar on Sep 24, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LaRue is Too Busy....
…posing for retro-70’s porn posters…
;=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Sep 24, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I had to guess
It’s so they could do something like take Yadi out mid-game, stick LaRue in there, and still feel like they’re going to be okay if LaRue gets hurt somehow.
Not that I think that makes all that much sense, but that’s what I’m guessing.
by mojowo11 on Sep 24, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anything
that gives us a chance to pinch run for Yadi is likely a good thing.
Carry the battle to them. Don't let them bring it to you. Put them on the defensive and don't ever apologize for anything.
by giveml on Sep 24, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yadi doesn't seem to do too bad after he gets to 1B, it's just getting him there is a bitch.
Unless it’s gonna be like a family softball game, where Yadi bats and the kids run for him.
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsh on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 24, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it did not burn an option year
But maybe I’m wrong.
by OCCardsFan on Sep 24, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For some reason I thought...
September options didn’t burn up options either…maybe they don’t affect service time?
"Don't do anything till I get back!" - Jesus to the Cubs
by cardzfanbub on Sep 24, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are correct.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 24, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like that roster
with the choice of Hawksworth for 11th pitcher.
If Freese proves that he can hit over the last 10 days, I take him instead of TGreene. Theoretically, the same could be said of Glaus, but I think that’s a pretty remote possibility. And if both Freese and Glaus are healthy and able to hit, I’d boot Thurston and take the two 3B instead of Thurston / Greene.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Sep 24, 2009 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 on the booting Thurston
I want the Walrus back...
by Paulspike on Sep 24, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep
Craig has to be added to the 40 man roster by november 20th or something like that… or he’ll be eligible for the rule 5 draft. I just don’t get why they didn’t call him up.
Positronic Upgraded Juggernaut Optimized for Logical Sabotage
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 24, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think facing the Dodgers in the first round would be best
The Cards seem to have their number this year (as well in past years).
I would also very severely hope that the Rocks could knock out the Phillies so that we do not have to face that lineup.
I think those would probably be the ideal matchups.
by LandSickness on Sep 24, 2009 8:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed.
I mean, obviously, if we could get the Rockies in the first round and Dodgers in the second, I’d be fine with that, too…cause that means we’re going 2 rounds, minimum.
by stlfan on Sep 24, 2009 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, sort of
but after just watching the WWL detail the massive struggles of one Brad Lidge I am beginning to warm to the possibility of ripping out the Phillies hearts.
Carry the battle to them. Don't let them bring it to you. Put them on the defensive and don't ever apologize for anything.
by giveml on Sep 24, 2009 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
Partly. They do have tremendous lefty starters. And as we all know, our lineup has a weak spot for lefties. Considering Lee already masterpieced us, I doubt we would see much of Lidge, especially in any type of high-leveraged, slim lead situations. I hope we do. But I doubt it..
I want the Walrus back...
by Paulspike on Sep 24, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
The one-two punch of Wolf-Kershaw doesn’t much scare me, our inability to hit lefties notwithstanding.
by mojowo11 on Sep 24, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, but wolf is a soft tossing lefty, so we'd probably lose that one
Positronic Upgraded Juggernaut Optimized for Logical Sabotage
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 24, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, at least people have heard of Wolf before
Pitchers nobody has ever heard before get like, a +5 awesome bonus against us for some reason.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Sep 24, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
true
Positronic Upgraded Juggernaut Optimized for Logical Sabotage
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 24, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
personally
I would rather have one of the most clutch post season pitchers ever in the rotation rather than Lohse. I know the org. is saying otherwise, but that would be my preference.
by t7rick on Sep 24, 2009 8:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
4th starter though
Probaly won’t pitch in an NLDS unless we don’t get lucky with off days, and would only pitch once in the NLCS or WS as well. I would rather have Smoltz pitching 1 inning every day for up to 7 games than 5-7 innings in a single start. I think the gain of Smoltz over Wellemeyer or Thompson and even Hawksworth is greater than the gain over Lohse.
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
by StLHugo on Sep 24, 2009 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing about luck
We are going to need a 4th starter in the NLDS if we don’t sweep. None of our pitchers should or can go on short rest
by FlimtotheFlam on Sep 24, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We only used 3 in 2006
Carp, Weaver, Suppan, Carp
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
by StLHugo on Sep 24, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't you think we had a plan in case we didn't sweep, though?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 24, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we didn't sweep
Carp went twice
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
by StLHugo on Sep 24, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On regular rest
barring a rainout, that won’t happen this year.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 24, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Luck with off days
I stated that to begin with. I haven’t looked at the schedule for the NLDS, but I still don’t think Smoltz as the 4th man in the NLDS makes sense.
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
by StLHugo on Sep 25, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasnt there a rain delay though
that helped with off days?
No excuses. No injuries. No "better luck next time"
Do it, and shut the f—- up.
-Reggie Jackson
by stlwcards on Sep 24, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't remember
but we got lucky with off days that year and as such didn’t need a 4th starter.
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
by StLHugo on Sep 24, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2006 nlds
had an off day between games one and two, and between games two and three. That scenario is being used by the AL this year. Carp went on normal rest in game 4 of the 2006 nlds
by ubeddie on Sep 24, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly why I said
getting lucky with off days (realized I put a double negative in the first post though), if we got lucky with off days we won’t need a 4th starter and if we sweep we won’t need it either.
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
by StLHugo on Sep 24, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless That Single Start....
….is make or break. Suppose we’re down 0-2? Who pitches game 3?
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Sep 24, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ooops, I Meant 0-3
what if there is an injury?
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Sep 24, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
NLDS would be 0-2
You had it right the first time
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
by StLHugo on Sep 24, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HOLY FUCKING SHIT
WE NEED FOUR STARTERS IN THE NLDS!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 24, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Personally....
…I’d love to have 7 good starters for the play-offs, just in case!
;=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Sep 24, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need to win just 4 out of 7...
Smoltz is going to pitch roughly the same number of innings either way, why not use him in the most highly leveraged situations possible…
by musial6 on Sep 24, 2009 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ding ding ding!!!
We have a winner.
First time seeing that splitter will give hitters fits…FITS!
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Sep 24, 2009 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You could argue that a 0-0 in the first inning of a playoff game is a fairly high leverage situation
however, I think I agree – Smoltz to the pen.
I’d actually throw out Boggs as the 4th starter at this moment, I think, but if Lohse has one more solid start I think he’s just about earned it back.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Sep 24, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Dodgers still worry me
Seeing the Cardinals facing lefties makes me cry in a corner.
However, the Phillies staff is pretty good. It can pretty much explode into a state of awesomeness with Lee and Hamels, but the Rockies just don’t scare me that much. We can keep up with them bat for bat, and our pitching is sufficient enough so that we would come out victorious.
One interesting note: 3/4 of the teams have closer dilemmas, which is very peculiar. LA seems to be more stable in that role than any other team (2 experienced closers is pretty good)
"Thunder is good, thunder is impressive; but it is lightning that does all the work"
-Mark Twain
by Taskmaster on Sep 24, 2009 8:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Phils have 3 lefties
The Dodgers 2.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Sep 24, 2009 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Phils can even throw out 4 if they want
but I suspect the playoff rotation will only have 3.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Sep 24, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And since 3>2
Phils>Dodgers
I want the Walrus back...
by Paulspike on Sep 24, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
transitive property
gets some veb love
defy, cards, defy. hey logic --- you suck.
by effin fisk on Sep 24, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Frankly..
…the Phils lefties are tougher, IMO
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Sep 24, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im retarded
I swear to god I thought Lee was RH…..Oh well
Should probably look that crap up before I post it :)
"Thunder is good, thunder is impressive; but it is lightning that does all the work"
-Mark Twain
by Taskmaster on Sep 24, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
very disappointed in the team's makeup. or man stew, if you will.
If they couldn’t buckle down for a few call-ups and the crack reporting team of FSM stirring the pot with clinching questions, they’re nowhere near sewn up enough to go through the barrage of playoffs media.
I’d say get Jimmy in there to talk to them, except Jimmy has finally escaped to Mickey Mouse (and he hasn’t watched a lot of games anyway.)
Carpenter and Pujols better whip these guys into shape, mentally. I don’t see any of the other vets stepping up. TLR is busy inventing shoulder bumps with Thurston and Smoltz looks like he’s just discovered his number one fan club.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 24, 2009 8:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
what am i missing?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Sep 24, 2009 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking that last week.
Get Jimmy in here to say whatever the hell it was that he said in ’06.
"Obviously, tipping pitches didn't help" - John Smotzl
"If you disrespect the Baseball Gods, you'll get slapped." - TLR
by RiverRat on Sep 24, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that the year
he started giving out the game balls?
by RedJoker on Sep 24, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think so.
"Obviously, tipping pitches didn't help" - John Smotzl
"If you disrespect the Baseball Gods, you'll get slapped." - TLR
by RiverRat on Sep 24, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep and the very first one went to The Thug.
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsh on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 24, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I gotta say I hope we are hosting the Rockies in the...
NLDS. I figure we’re likely to face the Phillies in the NLCS regardless of who we would have to beat in the division series to get there…I also feel like the Rockies and Dodgers are equally inferior to the Cards. I’d much rather try and beat the Phils in STL than at their place.
"Don't do anything till I get back!" - Jesus to the Cubs
by cardzfanbub on Sep 24, 2009 8:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Idea:
If we can’t/don’t resign Holliday…get Bradley on the cheap, having the Cubs eat most of his salary.
"I'll be glad to have Ryan [Braun] help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy." - Doug Melvin
by all4tookie on Sep 24, 2009 8:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Albert wouldn't hug that guy
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 24, 2009 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or maybe thats what he needs
a good hug
by RedJoker on Sep 24, 2009 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hug = left hook to the junk
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Sep 24, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let me be myself
So I can shine
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Sep 24, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ahhahaha
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 24, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But seriously
If the caring and nurturing St. Louis Project MWN atmosphere could turn around Milton Bradley then there is nothing that we can’t accomplish.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Sep 24, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
matty, there's pie and then there's miracles.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 24, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't underestimate pie.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Sep 24, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was making a pie-adjusted statements
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 24, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Either way
I suspect the departure of Felix Pie from the Cubs organization also had an effect on Bradley.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Sep 24, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and then there's miracle pie
4 Eggs
1 Stick of butter
1/2 c Sugar
1/2 c Flour
1 ts Vanilla
2 c Vitamin d milk
1 c Coconut
Blend all these ingredients in your blender and pour into a greased
pie pan.
Serve piping hot to malcontented outfielders to prevent altercations with teammates*, opponents*, umpires*, and fans*
*Your results may vary
by brackenthebox on Sep 24, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
recd
How depressing is it being you? Is it closer to being a lifelong cubs fan or being born without lips? - Janitor
by themanthemyth on Sep 24, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That sounds really good
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Sep 24, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's the Moo Juice That Makes it Good...
;=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Sep 24, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's the coconuts
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
by gdm426 on Sep 25, 2009 3:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd Sonner Hug...
…a teddy bear cholla cactus. Google it, and you’ll see what I mean.
:=8P
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Sep 24, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll bet you wouldn't mind hugging this little dude.
He looks pretty friendly. But finding them can be a pain.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Sep 24, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He Scares Me...
:=8.
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Sep 24, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thankfully hug-ability is not an integral part of hitting/fielding/throwing
"I'll be glad to have Ryan [Braun] help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy." - Doug Melvin
by all4tookie on Sep 24, 2009 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You understand why they haven’t won in 100 years here.
Sounds like he fits in already.
"I'll be glad to have Ryan [Braun] help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy." - Doug Melvin
by all4tookie on Sep 24, 2009 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I am saying
He already hates the Cubs. And hating the Cubs is half the battle
by FlimtotheFlam on Sep 24, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude, okay...
batting average, RBIs, range factor/game, outfield arm runs above average, UZR
.257 / 40 / 1.9 / -2.7 / -2.6
.227 / 32 / 1.7 / -3.3 / -1.7
One of those is Chris Duncan, 2008.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 24, 2009 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oops, offense is from 2009.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 24, 2009 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously had a down 2009
But dude was/is awesome, and there is little reason to think he couldn’t perform in the future at pre-2009 levels. Can’t just completely discount what he did before because he had a bad year.
And you know how I feel about BA and RBIs. Even in this bad year he has a .345 wOBA and .378 OBP.
"I'll be glad to have Ryan [Braun] help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy." - Doug Melvin
by all4tookie on Sep 24, 2009 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude is not all there.
Run Vince run! There's a tarp chasing you! Run! It's right behind you!
by TBender on Sep 24, 2009 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's why I don't think we should pay full price for him
But certifiably crazy or not, Gamemaker gets on base.
"I'll be glad to have Ryan [Braun] help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy." - Doug Melvin
by all4tookie on Sep 24, 2009 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In full disclosure,
I would sign TO, Pacman, Barry Bonds, John Rocker, and Mike Tyson if the price was right.
"I'll be glad to have Ryan [Braun] help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy." - Doug Melvin
by all4tookie on Sep 24, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that the year
he started giving out the game balls?
by RedJoker on Sep 24, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just not Jason Marquis!
:=8P
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Sep 24, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jason Marquis is different from all of those guys
They’re good (well, maybe not John Rocker) and he sucks!
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Sep 24, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pacman is Good???
:=8/
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Sep 24, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, not capital G Good, but lowercase g good, definitely.
Free Milton
by all4tookie on Sep 24, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the nfl is a bit of a different case
Pacman isn’t anything if the league won’t let him play. But in principle, I’m with you.
by brackenthebox on Sep 24, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a craphole (trying to be nice here)
Seriously. I live in a Chicago ’burb and I read about this guy every day. I actually feel bad for the Cubs. I do not ever want the Cards to even talk to him.
by sdrone on Sep 24, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I live in NY and read about how much A-Rod is a choker and isn't clutch
and how Jeter is Mr. All-world everything. Media perception isn’t necessarily the truth. Its funny – if the Cubs and Cards were flipped in the standings, and Bradley had the same stat line, I am willing to bet anything he would be viewed as a “spark” or “fiery” or “just Milton being Milton” rather than a superbadawful villain.
My real point is: take advantage of everyone else thinking he has cooties and get a good player for a fraction of his value.
Free Milton
by all4tookie on Sep 24, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
*a small fraction, mind you.
Not one of those improper ones.
Free Milton
by all4tookie on Sep 24, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
5 out of 4 people can't do fractions.
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Sep 24, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
bad character is the new bad body
market inefficiencies abound
by brackenthebox on Sep 24, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
32 years old in 2010
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 24, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holliday turns 30 in January
Free Milton
by all4tookie on Sep 24, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is.
And I get what you are saying, and I would agree with it but for our manager. TLR is not Milton Bradley’s kind of manager, IMO. They are oil and water and it would not go well. Of course, I expected Sweet Lou to Dibble Milton after a game this season, so I may be wrong.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 24, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point.
What are the chances he would embrace a guy like TLR in an attempt to rectify his image and shed the bad character pay cut (and that such a change would last longer than one month)?
Free Milton
by all4tookie on Sep 24, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't like those odds.
You look at his season in Texas, out of the media glare and with a fairly laid back manager, and I think that is the ideal fit for Bradley. Not that the media glare in St. Louis is that bad (unless your last name is “Duncan,” apparently), but TLR is not like Ron Washington at all. Furthermore, I don’t think it is beyond the bleachers of Busch to taunt a Cardinal, especially one who is not producing very well. Of course, it’s probably not beyond any fans. I don’t know what situation it will take to make Bradley an acceptable gamble for a club, but I don’t think St. Louis, with TLR as manager, is that situation.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 24, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What does media perception have to do with anything?
He has called Cubs fans racist on multiple occasions without citing example. His first interview in Chicago on radio was adversarial. Lou called him a “piece of shit” and it got leaked to the press. He’s now saying his daughter was called n$$$$$ without citing example (but he never took it up with the school.
Oh, and played a lackadaisical outfield and can’t count outs.
Media perception isn’t the issue. Bradley is the issue.
by sdrone on Sep 24, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
seriously
he got suspended for the remainder of the season for mouthing off to the press about the fans and the franchise. Not one of his teammates defended him.
Can anybody think of another time that’s ever happened?
by nota bene on Sep 24, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jose Guillen wasn't too far off
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Sep 24, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's both.
Bradley was never going to be a good fit with the Chicago Cubs. White Sox? Maybe.
And that’s assuming Bradley can personally be a good fit anywhere.
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Sep 24, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All I heard about was the newspaper interview.
Is the rest of that true?
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Sep 24, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That and more
Lou called him that in the clubhouse at a Whitesox game. Bradley left the stadium after that.
The kid thing is the newest deal. His mom talked about that (she now says she thought it was an off hte record phone conversation with a Chicago radio personality). Apparently Bradley’s 3 year old kid is surrounded by kids and teachers who are racists. Oh yeah, and Bradley does nothing about it and leaves the kid in that shool.
anyway, it’s kinda sad. I guess in the end it’s easier to become a recluse if you’re rich.
by sdrone on Sep 24, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who cares if he plays a lackadasical outfield
That’s a common criticism of players who people want to label as jerks. He’s always been a plus defender by UZR.
Let me ask you this. What makes Bradley so much different from Manny or Braun in terms of asshattery?
by vivaelpujols on Sep 24, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Braun's as bad as Manny and MB.
Has Braun ever refused to play?
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Sep 24, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He didn't refuse to play
At least with Chicago. He told Lou his knee was hurting and he needed a pinch runner. Then he didn’t pinch hit the next day, supposedly because of his knee.
by vivaelpujols on Sep 24, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Manny played that game, too.
And they had the MRI on both knees b/c they thought he would change his mind about which knee was hurt.
In my hierarchy of asshat, it goes like this:
1. Manny
2. Milton
3. Braun/Papelbon (and really only for personality shit, not b/c they appear to be bad teammates)
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Sep 24, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jeff Passan.
"Obviously, tipping pitches didn't help" - John Smotzl
"If you disrespect the Baseball Gods, you'll get slapped." - TLR
by RiverRat on Sep 24, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the implication was we were discussing
people whose talent was balanced by their asshattery.
passan is ineligible due to lack of talent.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Sep 24, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That doesn't change the fact that he is
a giant Asshat. Just getting my message out there.
"Obviously, tipping pitches didn't help" - John Smotzl
"If you disrespect the Baseball Gods, you'll get slapped." - TLR
by RiverRat on Sep 24, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's more of a fucktard.
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Sep 24, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could get on board with this.
"Obviously, tipping pitches didn't help" - John Smotzl
"If you disrespect the Baseball Gods, you'll get slapped." - TLR
by RiverRat on Sep 24, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
get on board the fucktard train!
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Sep 24, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the great douchebag vs hipster debate
has escalated
by brackenthebox on Sep 24, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The biggest douche is Jayson Werth
By a long shot
by vivaelpujols on Sep 24, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you guys talking about Jayson Werth?
I know that guy!
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Sep 24, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
South Park disagrees
/completely off of baseball topic at this point.
"Obviously, tipping pitches didn't help" - John Smotzl
"If you disrespect the Baseball Gods, you'll get slapped." - TLR
by RiverRat on Sep 24, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a bit of a hack as well.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Sep 24, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
VEP, email.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Sep 24, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait
you’re actually serious
Oh my
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Sep 24, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am here to educate you about the single biggest threat to our planet.
You see, there is something out there which threatens our very existence and may be the end to sports as we know it. I’m talking, of course, about BradleyOwensBonds. It is a creature which roams the Earth alone. It is half nutjob, half diva, and half roider.
by brackenthebox on Sep 24, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
AND...
…with a scary giant coconut for a head!
:=8.
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Sep 24, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guessing game:
Player A (Awesome McGreat):
2008: .268/.374/.502/.876, .384 wOBA, UZR: 1.5
2009: .248/.343/.445/.788, .343 wOBA, UZR: -2.7
Player B (Boo Bastard O’Terrible):
2008: .321/.436/.563/.999, .423 wOBA, UZR: 2.6
2009: .257/.378/.397/.775, .345 wOBA, UZR: -2.6
Free Milton
by all4tookie on Sep 24, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Rose VS Bradley?
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Sep 24, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, but that would probably be a a good comp too
Player A is Sizemore. I don’t think many would be opposed to picking him up on the cheap. Perception is everything.
Free Milton
by all4tookie on Sep 24, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bravo. I had to look it up.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Sep 24, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I mean bravo for the interesting comparison
Obviously you shouldn’t get credit for guessing it, since you were the one who posed the question.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Sep 24, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except..
…that Grady Size isn’t a headcase that everybody hates.
:=8/
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Sep 24, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
AND
he’s brittle as hell. No grit. in fact, he has ANTI-GRIT!!!
:=8O
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Sep 24, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s not fair. Grady was hurt all year. He was playing through injuries he now needs surgery for. Bradley had a down year for no real reason from what I can gather. Maybe I’m not getting what your comparison is saying but to me it doesn’t seem fair.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Sep 24, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn't really matter if he had a down year
Because we have no reason to expect him to continue that.
by vivaelpujols on Sep 24, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have No Reason...
….that he’ll improve, either. No time bombs!
:=8/
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Sep 24, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But there IS reason to believe Grady will get better, there is no reason to believe Milton will get better or stay the same or get worse. That’s the difference.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Sep 24, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Milton's 08 was better than Grady's.
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Sep 24, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that batting average? I’ve never known.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Sep 24, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His 2008 season was better.
His BA was higher, his OBP was higher, his SLG was higher, his OPS was higher, his wOBA was higher.
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Sep 24, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You will never convince me Milton is a better player than Grady. I’m not good with numbers but I think being reliably good is very valuable.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Sep 24, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please don't put words in my mouth.
All I said was that his 2008 season was better. Their 2009 campaigns were remarkably similar, though for very different reasons.
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Sep 24, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t mean to ut words in your mouth. I’m sorry.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Sep 24, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For what it's worth, I'd rather have Grady over Milton. Any day.
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Sep 24, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I would argue most people would and it has very little to do with perception.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Sep 24, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It has to do with the crazy.
Imagine MB’s behavior in an office setting.
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Sep 24, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, that's pretty funny when I think about it.
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Sep 24, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Milton in an office setting
Nice!
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Sep 24, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bradley hit better yeah
But Sizemore was also playing GG caliber CF while Bradley was on the bench when his team is on the field.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Sep 24, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Girl fight!
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Sep 24, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too slow. We already cleared the air.
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Sep 24, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
With our luck
It’s probably more like “Girl initial disagreement that is resolved through patient communication and understanding resulting in all of us reaching deeper levels of friendship because of it.” And that is of course a huge disapointment because they’re no fighting or hair pulling or anything.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Sep 24, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
Yes! We can always bond over Grady.
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Sep 24, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Girls are so boring!
Heh. Only kidding of course.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Sep 24, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not this girl.
/stab
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Sep 24, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Et tu, spants!
[Dies]
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Sep 24, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
beware the ides of rosh hashanah!
/late soothsay.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Sep 24, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Seriously
Where were you in Act 1?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Sep 24, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
the soothsayer is not a morning person.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Sep 24, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He came to praise him, not to mourn him
by brackenthebox on Sep 24, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You guys are awesome.
That is all.
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Sep 24, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
STOP SOUNDIN BRITISH!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 24, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Et tu should be followed by a question mark.
Unless, I suppose, you were expecting to be stabbed and are now rooting on your assailant.
I cut the sleeves off because it looks awesome. Now get your head in the game!
by the red baron on Sep 24, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
times like these call for an interrobang
by brackenthebox on Sep 24, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah
You can see how the name might be misleading.
by vivaelpujols on Sep 24, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was wondering if man stew
had taken another mutation…
Run Vince run! There's a tarp chasing you! Run! It's right behind you!
by TBender on Sep 24, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ya
I’ll probably need to be a little more careful with that next time
by brackenthebox on Sep 24, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course, you're right.
Damn my eyes. The Bard is glaring at me from the heavens.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Sep 24, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean who doesn’t bond over Grady?
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Sep 24, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I’m pretty sure this is what happened here. Maybe mild misunderstanding.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Sep 24, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
U Guys R Girls???
[ ]"""""""""
Cootie spray!
:=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Sep 24, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Had to get it in
Just because I was preoccupied when shit was going down…
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Sep 24, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
holy fucking shit
®
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
by gdm426 on Sep 25, 2009 3:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fun fact
number of major league games MB has played in—
2000-42
2001-77
2002-98
2003-101
2004-141
2005-75
2006-96
2007-61
2008-126
2009-124
can anyone say “injury history”?
by nota bene on Sep 24, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Note how many are in the OF, too.
Or just at DH.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 24, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean
Billy Beane himself has already traded the guy…..
by nota bene on Sep 24, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Billy Beane
also traded Matt Holliday….
Proud to be a member of The Night of the Longest Train Wreck Ever (9/10/09)
by slash2049 on Sep 24, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and he who shall not be named
and plenty of other talented players I’m sure.
by brackenthebox on Sep 24, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
point I was making is that
people are often wary of star players that Beane trades….
by nota bene on Sep 24, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, it worked out great for Texas
by vivaelpujols on Sep 24, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and the Holliday trade
has worked out pretty well for us (so far)
by nota bene on Sep 24, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So?
What does that have to do with Billy Beane’s judgment of Bradley’s character and affect on his teammates?
by vivaelpujols on Sep 24, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty sure she's not making a statement about that any longer.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Sep 24, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nb is a woman. evilfrog, too.
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Sep 24, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
really?
I could have sworn that NB was man (it’s not an insult, it’s just his personality).
by vivaelpujols on Sep 24, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
(they both are men. someone started that joke awhile ago.)
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Sep 24, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bet she went to SIUE.
There was this teacher there who loved to say “nota bene”.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Sep 24, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aw, what the hell was her name...
been a while since freshman english.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Sep 24, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you do realize that the appeal to authority
is a classic logical blunder?
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Sep 24, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In less of course it's Tony La Russa
by vivaelpujols on Sep 24, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You just can't know everything!
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Sep 24, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Beane
is as much of an authority as he’s made out to be, so it was kind of backhanded….
by nota bene on Sep 24, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For real.
Didn’t he once trade a pitcher who was pretty good…yknow…after he was traded?
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Sep 24, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair
He got Brett Anderson back, who looks freaking amazing.
by vivaelpujols on Sep 24, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but Blanton is doing pretty well...
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Sep 24, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn’t really matter if he had a down year
Because we have no reason to expect him to continue that.
Thats not true. All projection systems use the most recent data, and generally weight it more heavily than older data. This season absolutely does matter as to MB’s future projected production.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Sep 24, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying that it doesn't matter
I’m saying that he should regress to his previously established levels of performance, not last years.
by vivaelpujols on Sep 24, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not saying that it doesn’t matter
You kinda were….
It doesn’t really matter if he had a down year
;-)
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Sep 25, 2009 4:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Batting average?
RBIs? Range factor/game??
How about a .380 OBP?
That said, I wouldn’t pick Bradley up if he cost more than a bag of balls and Holliday’s demands are outrageous.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Sep 24, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
RBI's and batting average
Number 1 tools for evaluation offense. Also, past seasons don’t matter. It’s ALL about the present.
by vivaelpujols on Sep 24, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he lost 100 points off his ISO from last year
by nota bene on Sep 24, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1 year isn't as meaningful as you think it is
by vivaelpujols on Sep 24, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fair enough
but why should his power drop when he moves to Wrigley Field? He’s not staying in Chicago, so just about whereever he goes he’s going to move to a more difficult hitting environment.
by nota bene on Sep 24, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His power dropped because he had a down year
Players do that, and most of the time it doesn’t mean anything. His previous history suggests he has a lot of power and is a very good hitter.
by vivaelpujols on Sep 24, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he had a down year
cause he’s hurt (whether it’s a genuine physical issue or mental/malingering doesn’t matter). Look at his games played per season, posted above. You can’t expect him to play a full season.
by nota bene on Sep 24, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do you possibly think that he is hurt this year?
He’s played almost the entire season this year. Unless you have strong evidence to the contrary, this seasons stats should be weighted only a little bit more than 08’s and those a little more than 07’s. With regression and aging curves that gives you about a .380 wOBA, which is amazing.
And yes, he’s has a history of injury, but he’s also been an amazingly productive player despite missing a lot of games. If he’s a 3 WAR player in 120 games, that’s just as good as a 3 WAR player in 160 games. It might even be better, because his replacement would likely be a little better than replacement level.
by vivaelpujols on Sep 24, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
cause he removed himself from a game last week
didn’t wait for Piniella to make a decision, he just called time and walked off of 1st base.
If I’m going to gamble, I’d rather gamble on Allen Craig to be honest.
by nota bene on Sep 24, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, *something's* definitely broken
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 24, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Milton Bradley has played in more games than any of our OFs other than
Ryan Ludwick, who leads him by 6.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Sep 24, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you counting Holliday's time with Oakland?
You can’t be, but you probably should since he wasn’t injured.
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Sep 24, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, it doesn't really matter about the comparison
The point is that Bradley hasn’t missed many games this year.
by vivaelpujols on Sep 24, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's fair.
Honestly, I’m not anti-Bradley. But I do worry about him spoiling the man-stew.
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Sep 24, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just get Yadi and Pujols to whip him into shape
Or have Carp punch him.
by vivaelpujols on Sep 24, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I must rec, for deft usage of man stew.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Sep 24, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, Holliday has played an assload of games,
thanks to not being on Chris Dunc’s uncle’s team.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Sep 24, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
according to FG
he’s been worth 1.2 WAR this year.
by nota bene on Sep 24, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and
2.4, 2.7, 2.1, 3.3, 4.8, and 1.8 in years prior to that.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 24, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
NO ONE IS SAYING HE'S NOT ABOVE AVERAGE!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 24, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's a decent player
that had a career year in 2008 and is also a head case. You can stand head cases if they are carrying your teams in a Bonds-ian manner, but I don’t want a distraction on my team from a guy that is putting up Ivan Calderon numbers.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 24, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, so i trust you agree wiht me that we can expect him to be roughly a 2.5 WAR player, right?
In that case, if we got him for, say, a D prospect in 5 million, his surplus value would be about 5 million.
That means you think that him being a “headcase” is costing the team about 5 million, or a little more than 1 win.
Is that basically what you are trying to say?
by vivaelpujols on Sep 24, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, I think a throw-away spec,
and 5M is on the high end of what the cubs can expect.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Sep 24, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think him being a headcase costs the team any wins
but it may (oppurtunity) cost the team money through the fans. I don’t think Bradley jerseys would be flying off the shelfs.
But, yeah, Bradley is worth ~$5M-ish.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 24, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
These are the best fans in baseball you're talking about!
Mussolini #13 jerseys would fly off the racks if he were a Cardinal!
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Sep 24, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Say what you want about Mussolini's WAR
He made the plays.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Sep 24, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
at least it's an ethos.
/still hasn’t seen big lebowski.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Sep 24, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tom, you really need too.
really, I can’t emphasize this enough.
"Obviously, tipping pitches didn't help" - John Smotzl
"If you disrespect the Baseball Gods, you'll get slapped." - TLR
by RiverRat on Sep 24, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it went on my netflix queue.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Sep 24, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you'll love it. Try to watch it twice.
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Sep 24, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Her life is in your hands, tom.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 24, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Out of context, that's intense.
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Sep 24, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Tom, that is NOTHING LIKE the Big Lebowski.
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Sep 24, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i avoid posted youtube links on here.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Sep 24, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably wise.
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Sep 24, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's worth watching after you've seen Big Lebowski
7 or 8 times
by brackenthebox on Sep 24, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love these
The whole “trailer re-cut” thing had its day in the sun as an internet fad a long time ago, but the concept is so clever and the possibilities so endless that I still find them pretty awesome.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Sep 24, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea, there are a lot of crappy ones
but a few gems. I always enjoyed The Usual Suspects one too.
by brackenthebox on Sep 24, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Shining" is still the best I think.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmkVWuP_sO0&feature=related
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Sep 24, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ROFL
that makes it look like a chick flick!
by nota bene on Sep 24, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
god i love recuts
the horror of office space and groundhog’s day are awesome
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Sep 24, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of Office Space
Working out a little while ago, the song from the copy machine scene came on my iPod. That’s a great workout song!
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Sep 24, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
neither have i tom
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
by gdm426 on Sep 25, 2009 3:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
...Brendan Ryan?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 24, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are a lot of really sad looking Freese jerseys at the Cards store.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 24, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come on
I seriously think Pujols would dislike this guy. As would TLR and, after a while, the fans.
by sdrone on Sep 24, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seems like Jesusy Josh Hamilton,
awesome Ian Kinsler, and the rest of the Rangers did fine around him.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Sep 24, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Rangers didn't dislike him
Because they left him alone and he played well. As long as we (the team, the media and the fans) don’t get on Bradley’s case over every bad route, i think he’ll do fine here.
by vivaelpujols on Sep 24, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And he was worth 4.5 WAR last year
Ad 2.5 the year before.
by vivaelpujols on Sep 24, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
who can't stay on the field
for one reason or another.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 24, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He can, just not a lot
Even if he only plays half of the games, he has a legitimate chance of being a league average player.
by vivaelpujols on Sep 24, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome!
Here’s $11M, go be good for half a season and make everyone around you angry!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 24, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think the original point is
if you get him on the cheap (aka not 11 m) that it could be a very good pickup
and yes he probably is better suited at being dh/4th OF but i think id rather have him as 4th OF than Dick at similar cost
by FunkeeC on Sep 24, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he's $4M, then it's wonderful
but the guy has only had one great year in his career and it came on his contract year as a DH in a hitters park.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 24, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if I were the GM
and I felt like I couldn’t pass him up, I’d take MB for league minimum, and I’d sit him down the day the contract was signed and say “if I even catch a whiff of bullshit we’re going to cut you that same day. If I have to personally duct tape your mouth after each game, I will.”
Or I could just try to get somebody in there from the farm team that could be a grown-up, that would at least act like he wanted to be there, that I didn’t have to babysit and hold his hand.
by nota bene on Sep 24, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what's fantastic?
the fact that I just can’t bring myself to trust a guy who’s made enemies out of seven different clubhouses?
by nota bene on Sep 24, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cool!
Because I was suggesting paying him 11 million right!?!?!?!??? It’s not like the Cubs are about to give him away for basically nothing… oh, wait.
by vivaelpujols on Sep 24, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what if that one year
is coming off of the only great one year the player has ever had? Might 2008 just be the anomaly?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 24, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, his career WAR's per FanGraphs:
2002: 1.8 WAR
2003: 4.8 WAR
2004: 3.3 WAR
2005: 2.1 WAR
2006: 2.7 WAR
2007: 2.4 WAR
2008: 4.5 WAR
2009: 1.2 WAR
WAR is a counting stat, so it accounts for playing time. League average is around 2, so Bradley has been below average just twice in his career, his first year and this year.
If you weight his previous 3 seasons 5-4-3, you get 2.6 WAR, which is solidly above average. If we could get that kind of production for a cheap price, as appears to be the case, that would be excellent.
by vivaelpujols on Sep 24, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depends on the price, obviously
if it’s anything above $4M and giving up a D- prospect, I’d puke.
But you also need to take in the risk cost that he goes insane and kills Pujols.
(I stand by 2008 being a abberation. Contract year, DH’ing, Ballpark at Arlington.. it’s a perfect storm for hitting!)
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 24, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It may be an abberration
But that doesn’t mean which should discount it, we just regress it. Also, based on his past history, this year seems like more of an aberration than last year.
Anyway, the point is that he’s a good player. If we can get a 2.5 WAR player for anything less that that’s worth, it would be a good deal.
You could say that his being an asshole will negatively affect the team, but I really don’t think it makes that big of a difference.
by vivaelpujols on Sep 24, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think bradley would be an okay addition.
He would have to be super cheap. I would take him on as a 4th OF. He doesn’t want to play everyday, anyway. If he starts screwing up, cut him – the joy of cheap players.
I think it’s pretty plausible that the cubs pay most of his salary or eveb release him.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Sep 24, 2009 12:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
we really need someone to throw the ball into the stands with 2 outs, too
we don’t have anyone that does that right now
Positronic Upgraded Juggernaut Optimized for Logical Sabotage
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 24, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We may.
We just don’t know it yet.
One of my friends, by coincidence, had Wrigley bleacher seats for the game following the Bradley two-out bleacher toss. He said that Bradley was relentlessly heckled, constantly reminded of how many outs there were. My friend said that Bradley was really self-depricating in his handling of it, holding up fingers and asking “One or Two?” of the crowd and nodding at their heckles and laughing. My friends said Bradley won his respect for his handling of it.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 24, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmmm.
what Milton et al said, in timeline form….
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 24, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
interesting
It would appear that at max, a team considers even the jerkiest behavior worth about -1.5 wins over the course of a season.
Something to consider when settling into the man stew. Hehehe.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 24, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank god we already have someone who doesn't touch all the bases
Free Milton
by all4tookie on Sep 24, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the likelihood of the Cards signing Gameboard
are in the neighborhood of the Cubs making the playoffs this year.
There’s an argument to be made that the guy’s on-base skills are going to be severely undervalued, but there are three things that I question: 1) where did his power go this year? he’s playing in Wrigley Field 2) how healthy is he? 3) what happens if he detonates yet again? The nonsense has followed him from city to city. You can blame the media for amplifying it, but when have you ever seen a guy suspended for the season for being an asshole?
Did you notice his teammates defending him? There’s more to consider than just his wOBA….
by nota bene on Sep 24, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I noticed his teammates celebrating after many games in which he contributed
Free Milton
by all4tookie on Sep 24, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice sig, tookie.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Sep 24, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I assume you mean Milton Friedman.
Wait, what’s going on?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Sep 24, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i have no freaking idea
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
by gdm426 on Sep 25, 2009 3:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His teammates don't understand that Soriano hurt them much more.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Sep 24, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They do
and a lot of fans/media people do as well.
But when there’s a quiet guy who’s not performing and a loud guy who is calling everyone is city a racist and not performing, you can imagine which one gets attention.
by sdrone on Sep 24, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bradley was about 2 wins better this than Soriano
And he was treated miserably by the fans and some media members after the first month of the season – mainly because his batting average was low and people wanted DeRosa back. I’m not saying Bradley wasn’t being a dick, but it’s not like he was welcomed with open arms in Wrigley.
by vivaelpujols on Sep 24, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I'll just repeat the question
can anybody remember any time when a guy being paid $10M/yr was told to leave the team because he was that much of an asshole?
AFAIK it’s unprecedented. I’d love to be proven wrong.
Yes, Soriano and Ramirez’ injuries (among others) cost the team dearly. Acknowledged.
by nota bene on Sep 24, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was told to leave the team for three partial reasons IMO
1) He was playing somewhat poorly (1.3 WAR)
2) He was being an asshole
3) He was being scapegoated for the Cubs fucked up season
All of those things contributed to his suspensions, it’s disingenuous to say it was all on him.
by vivaelpujols on Sep 24, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TO?
Run Vince run! There's a tarp chasing you! Run! It's right behind you!
by TBender on Sep 24, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, I forgot about this mess
from Wikipedia (sorry)…..
That afternoon Owens made a number of controversial statements during an ESPN interview. In the interview, Owens voiced his frustrations of the Eagles not recognizing his 100th career TD. He referred to the Eagles as a classless organization for the way they behaved. The Eagles have since stated that the Club does not recognize individual achievements.
When asked whether or not he agreed with a comment made by ESPN analyst and good friend Michael Irvin, Owens agreed to the statement, saying that he thought the Eagles would be undefeated if Brett Favre were on the team instead of Donovan McNabb. Owens went on to expand on the point, calling Brett Favre a warrior. Many people took offense at this, since it appeared as though Owens was claiming that McNabb, who was playing with a sports hernia among other injuries, was not a warrior. This interview effectively ended Owens’s career in Philadelphia.
During his weekly news conference the following day, Eagles head coach Andy Reid said that Owens had been suspended for four games—starting with the 17-10 loss to the Washington Redskins on November 6—for conduct detrimental to the team. The four games represented the maximum amount of time that a player could be suspended without pay for such conduct under NFL rules. After Owens served his suspension, the Eagles deactivated him from their roster for the remainder of the season, so that they wouldn’t be forced to release him and let him sign on with another team.
What about in baseball though?
by nota bene on Sep 24, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shea Hillenbrand comes to mind
But I doubt he was making $10m a year. Probably not far off, though
Free Milton
by all4tookie on Sep 24, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
THIS IS A SINKING SHIP
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 24, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying sign Shea Hillenbrand
I was just thinking about guys who were huge assholes whose team’s ate salary just to get rid of them
Free Milton
by all4tookie on Sep 24, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
(thats what Shea wrote on the clubhouse chalkboard to get booted)
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 24, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really??? That's awesome.
Free Milton
by all4tookie on Sep 24, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow...awful grammar there
Free Milton
by all4tookie on Sep 24, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Naw, he was making nothing I believe
And he wasn’t very good, only 1 WAR ish
by vivaelpujols on Sep 24, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he was actually making 5.8M that year
yikes. but he didn’t have a contract for ’07, and he was actually traded, so the angels got rid of much of his salary…
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
by SleepyCA on Sep 24, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jame Gumb:
“Would you agree with me? I’d agree with me soo haard…”
:=8.
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Sep 24, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"It Puts the Pine Tar on its Skin..."
“…it does this whenever it’s told”
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Sep 24, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Randy Wolf Once Tried to Walk Me...
…I Ate His Liver with a Dodger Dog, and a nice Chianti…"
;=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Sep 24, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carlos Silva??
“Was he a great big fat guy? Big through the hips, roomy?”
;=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Sep 24, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh oh VEP
Jayson Stark:
Malcontent for sale: You’ve probably read 1,000 times this week that the Cubs are going to have to digest (A) half, (B) most or ( C) all of Milton Bradley’s $21 million in salary over the next two years to trade him. Uh, don’t be so sure of that.
We’re hearing the approach the Cubs are far more likely to take is: “We’ll swap our problem for your problem, our salary dump-ee for your salary dump-ee.” So while none of this has been discussed, that could be an Eric Byrnes kind of guy, or a Bronson Arroyo kind of guy, or a Pat Burrell type.
Free Milton
by all4tookie on Sep 24, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i can see that happening.
Uhh, will you . . . uhh, trade me pat burrell for milton bradley?
Hmm. Let me think on that. Hmm.
. . .
After thinking about it, i say no fucking way. How about that?
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Sep 24, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My Diagnosis: Bad Babysitting
Craig’s 2009 Memphis stats equate to a .282/.321/.457 line in St Louis.
He should absolutely be our DH in the WS should we make it that far. The only explanation why he’s not on the roster is TLR’s irrational loyalty to Ankiel.
by musial6 on Sep 24, 2009 8:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"that's a lot of players"
"How are you going to use him?" the manager asked, rhetorically this afternoon. "That was a problem. We already have Khalil (Greene). Now we have David (Freese). Putting him on the roster when you don’t need him doesn’t make sense. It would be a nice gesture for him. He had a hell of a year. But what would that give us? Sixteen (position players)? That’s just a lot of players."
That’s just a lot of players.
That’s JUST A LOT OF PLAYERS.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 24, 2009 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a lot of players
who have already been given a chance at the ML level and failed.
by musial6 on Sep 24, 2009 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cough. Cough. Thurston. Cough
I want the Walrus back...
by Paulspike on Sep 24, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's simple.
You don’t put Khalil or Thursty on the postseason roster. The Skippy/Lugo/Ryan/Greene MIF combo is more than enough to cover SS and 2B.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 24, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If nothing else,
it looks as if TLR see’s him as a 3rd baseman.
"Obviously, tipping pitches didn't help" - John Smotzl
"If you disrespect the Baseball Gods, you'll get slapped." - TLR
by RiverRat on Sep 24, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ima remember this when you put
Ankiel, khalil, thurston, etc. In to PH, tony.
“That’s a lot of players . . .”
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Sep 24, 2009 12:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
It Says Morning Moo!!!!
:=8D
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Sep 24, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Craig
The chances of TLR taking someone with 10 games of ML experience to the postseason and using him are nil. So you’re essentially talking about burning an option year so that he can play in in 10 meaningless games. That seems to be to be a bad use of a limited resource, small value that that limited resource might have.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Sep 24, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Danny Haren had 14 games of MLB experience back in 2004.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 24, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My memory is a little cloudy,
but I seem to remember a guy with that name or “D” and “H” as initials, playing for us down the ’04 stretch. Now that I think about it, his name was Dave Hubert.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 24, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damon Huard
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Sep 24, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we have to put him on the 40 man anyways
he’s eligible for the Rule 5….why not play him
It’s not like him having one less option is a terrible thing…especially if he shows some ability to hit ML pitching
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Sep 24, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Poor Lisa Simpson
It’s her fault Allen Craig disappeared.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Sep 24, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
Call a guy up 10 days before the end of the season, and expect him to be a productive bat off the bench in the playoffs? Having never been in a ML game before? Really?
Matt Holliday. Nuff said.
by SoonerfanTU on Sep 24, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree with you here
but he wouldn’t be eligible for the post-season so its a mute point…i just want to see what he can do and give him a taste of the bigs
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Sep 24, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
moot not mute
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Sep 24, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Repect...
;=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Sep 24, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha, i wasn't doing it for that reason
it really is moot…but there you go
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Sep 24, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Take it Whenever I can Get it....
;=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Sep 24, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i would personally rather have players
that have proven without a shadow of a doubt that they cant be a productive bat. at least you know what you got then…
I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and sticks when they've invented the lighter?
by nomar34 on Sep 24, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It goes both ways...
Pitchers won’t have a book on him.
Plenty of guys torch ML pitching upon getting called up for this very reason.
I’ll take my chances on a guy who is on fire at AAA over guys who have been sucking in the majors.
by musial6 on Sep 24, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT: you guys checking out the Sean Salisbury stuff on deadspin?
by RedJoker on Sep 24, 2009 9:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
At least he recognizes that his career has gone down the crapper
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Sep 24, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Done being pissed about allen craig's treatment
Rather face the Rockies…Holliday crushes in denver and their pitching doesn’t scare me at all
Very afraid of the Phils
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Sep 24, 2009 9:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We'll get a better idea if that is the right line of thought
After this weekend
by olddomination on Sep 24, 2009 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm afraid of everyone
this year. I don’t have that confident feeling I had about the 2004 team. I have playoff tickets to game 3.
by Toddius on Sep 24, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dodgers in 2.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Sep 24, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
After 2006,
when I was confident that we’d be swept by the Padres in two, I no longer carry any sort of confidence about a club into October. It proved the analogy of October baseball as a crapshoot correct, in my mind.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 24, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we'll know more about Colorado shortly
but I don’t there’s any way we play them as poorly as we did earlier in the year
by nota bene on Sep 24, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mateo:
how bad can the dude’s vision possibly be that can’t be fixed with black rim glasses with a skull and crossbones on them or lasik???
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Sep 24, 2009 9:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
because the key word is "degenerative"
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 24, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, But...
..who’s word is that, the eye doctor’s? Isn’t that a HIPAA violation?
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Sep 24, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if it's a genetic condition, I hardly think it's just an eye doctor deciding it's that bad
they could be looking at the genetic markers
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 24, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Degenerative could be visible to the eye doctor, too.
It could be cataracts, the leaking of fluid, lousy pressure in the eye, partially detached retina, etc. All of those things would get worse.
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Sep 24, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think my eye is leaking just reading that
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 24, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know my stomach turned a bit while typing it.
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Sep 24, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
[gets us a glass of water]
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 24, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is No Worse Taunt in Grade School....
…than “Leaky Eye! Leaky Eye!”
;=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Sep 24, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
U Betcha!
:=8/
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Sep 24, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was also wondering this
i assume “current injury” had something to do with it also. i assume the eye injury is something that glasses don’t correct.
by RedJoker on Sep 24, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LHON
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Sep 24, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Age range for onset: 8-60
But with it staggered towards young adulthood, it’s too risky.
Assuming the crack Cards’ medical staff didn’t misdiagnose red-green colorblindness as a degenerative neuropathy.
by olddomination on Sep 24, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do you know that's what it is?
by saladdays on Sep 24, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont
I am a geneticist and I was just giving an example in answer to
how bad can the dude’s vision possibly be that can’t be fixed with black rim glasses with a skull and crossbones on them or lasik???
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Sep 24, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're a geneticist?
Awesome.
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Sep 24, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey JD
Have you ever heard of Waffles and Fried Chicken before?
by FlimtotheFlam on Sep 24, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats a southern thing
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 24, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
naw. that wasn't what i was talking about.
pancakes and syrup is not food.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Sep 24, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well that's a texas thing, no?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 24, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's on the east coast, too.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Sep 24, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
for some reason
I thought some guy from houston popularized it. that probably just came to me in a syrup enduced dream, though.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 24, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are we talking about getting high or eating delicious food here?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 24, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
can't have one without the other
Free Milton
by all4tookie on Sep 24, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the Queen of Soul owns that place, no?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Sep 24, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heard of it
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Sep 24, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm not a doctor
so correct me if i’ve misreading this. If the father is affected, there’s a 2/3 chance of the kids having a wide ass and horns.
scary.
by _pistol_ on Sep 24, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I read this as 100% if the mom is affected
It’s mitochondrial, which means it’s passed down by the mom only.
It isn’t passed down by an affected dad because mitochondrial DNA isn’t passed from men.
by thepainguy on Sep 24, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dood re-read haha
there’s a 2/3 chance of the kids having a wide ass and horns.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Sep 24, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
It wrapped weird, so I didn’t even see the last few words.
by thepainguy on Sep 24, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But Only...
..if you produce blue children…
;=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Sep 24, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"The Mitochondrial Heritability of Horny Girls with Big Butts"
A meta-analysis by pistol
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Sep 24, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently the auto-format shortcut for italics is a _ before and after
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Sep 24, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
can't we just give him a couple eye transplants?
6ly, it’s almost 2010. we should be able to freaking do this already
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by gdm426 on Sep 25, 2009 4:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
cornea transplants are possible i believe
but i don’t think taking out a whole eye and transplanting is possible.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Sep 25, 2009 4:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you sure?
i swear i read last week a woman in France received two entire eyes
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by gdm426 on Sep 25, 2009 4:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is quite funny
A.D.A.M. talking about Pujols in today’s article in stlcardinals.com
Linky linky: http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090924&content_id=7130304&vkey=news_stl&fext=.jsp&c_id=stl
And here is Adam’s quote of the day:
“I don’t know how anybody could ever be better than he is. Ever. No offense to Henry Aaron and all those guys. I’m sorry, Hank. Albert Pujols is really, really good.”
I want the Walrus back...
by Paulspike on Sep 24, 2009 10:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Between RasmusGirl last night
and this quote, you are becoming the next nexdef’d.
(Even though the article was from today, that quote came out last week.)
"Obviously, tipping pitches didn't help" - John Smotzl
"If you disrespect the Baseball Gods, you'll get slapped." - TLR
by RiverRat on Sep 24, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ack. Crap.
I want the Walrus back...
by Paulspike on Sep 24, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That quote came out like a month ago
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Sep 24, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
(I apologize for any suggestion here that the team is flawed, btw!)
You’re still acting like a 12 year old in response to someone disagreeing with you a week ago?
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Sep 24, 2009 10:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
whatever he did it worked
Lohse had a good outing
Positronic Upgraded Juggernaut Optimized for Logical Sabotage
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 24, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was wondering about that line, too
I missed the whole initial disagreement, but what the hell is going on here? Could we get an explanation instead of a mysterious passive-aggressive line in every chuckb post? At least then maybe we could discuss it and make this weird black cloud of discontent go away.
by mojowo11 on Sep 24, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Someone dared to suggest they thought Lohse's 2008 was closer to his TTL than 2009
Admittedly they did it wrong calling out small sample sizes or whatever, Chuck went indignant, everyone told him to chill out and he’s gone depressed since.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Sep 24, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
in defense to chuck, he felt attacked
and i understand why he felt that way.
i thought we weren’t talking about that anymore?
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by gdm426 on Sep 25, 2009 4:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He will be like that until Lohse comes out and returns to his pre-injury self in '10.
Then he will just cry on the inside and act like the whole thing never happened.
"If I'm in a slump, I ask myself for advice" - Ichiro
by Toppins on Sep 24, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT: Celebrate good times - Cardinals playlist
Just posted this in the magic numbers thread. What songs are on your “That’s a Winner” Cardinals playlist. I’ve got three right now:
Kool & The Gang – Celebration
Glenn Fry – The Heat is On
Geiger – Colby Rasmus Fire Burning in the Outfield (remix version by DJ Vexedtechie)
There must have been a 2006 song right?
"But as the leadoff guy that inning, my job is to get on base and let guys drive me in." - Albert Pujols 8/20/09, base-clogger.
by lightbulb on Sep 24, 2009 10:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
50 Cent's "In Da Club"
Go shorty! It’s your birthday!
by cloistermaximus on Sep 24, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was associated with a Cardinals playoff team?
Really?
"But as the leadoff guy that inning, my job is to get on base and let guys drive me in." - Albert Pujols 8/20/09, base-clogger.
by lightbulb on Sep 24, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't remember that
of course there’s a lot of 2001 i wish i could forget
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by gdm426 on Sep 25, 2009 4:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always love "Our Team. Our Time."
In case anybody has forgotten, it was the cheesy theme song of the 2006 New York Mets. I know it’s not technically a Cardinals song, but it might as well be. Brings back good memories for me. YouTube Link.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Sep 24, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Schadenfreude, I like it
"But as the leadoff guy that inning, my job is to get on base and let guys drive me in." - Albert Pujols 8/20/09, base-clogger.
by lightbulb on Sep 24, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Europe - Final Countdown
Proud to be a member of The Night of the Longest Train Wreck Ever (9/10/09)
by slash2049 on Sep 24, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a DJ now?!
Yo MLBPA, I'm really happy for you, and I'mma let you finish, but Albert is the most ridiculous player of all time. OF ALL TIME!
by vexedtechie on Sep 24, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
“You know, you really are.”
"But as the leadoff guy that inning, my job is to get on base and let guys drive me in." - Albert Pujols 8/20/09, base-clogger.
by lightbulb on Sep 24, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sweet, maybe I can make a career screaming my name over songs!
Yo MLBPA, I'm really happy for you, and I'mma let you finish, but Albert is the most ridiculous player of all time. OF ALL TIME!
by vexedtechie on Sep 24, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
U Gen Y'ers...
…will buy just about anything….
;=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Sep 24, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
DJ TECHIE!!!
IT’S OKAY, I KNOW YOU DON’T WANT TO LISTEN TO THE SONG ANYWAY! I’MMA KEEP SCREAMIN!
Yo MLBPA, I'm really happy for you, and I'mma let you finish, but Albert is the most ridiculous player of all time. OF ALL TIME!
by vexedtechie on Sep 24, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a CD that is just The Heat Is On played 19 times.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 24, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh My God...
…that’s Glen Frye!
:=8P
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Sep 24, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Albert Pujols
Sporting News’ Player of the decade.
"Obviously, tipping pitches didn't help" - John Smotzl
"If you disrespect the Baseball Gods, you'll get slapped." - TLR
by RiverRat on Sep 24, 2009 10:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Who else?
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Sep 24, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bo Hart!
:=8D
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Sep 24, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if those brief stats they show include 2000?
If it does, then subtracting Arod’s HR total from 2000 means a difference of a couple homers a year, which is very little. The huge difference in rate stats really catches one’s eye.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Sep 24, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, I hadn't looked at Alex Rodriguez's B-R page in a while
Man oh man that guy can hit. He is 33 years old and he has 580 home runs. And people must have thought he was Jesus after that age 20 season. It was the highest BABIP of his career so far (.388) but still. .358/.414/.631, 36 HR, 64 2B from a 20 year-old. His wOBA was .444, his second-highest, and Rally has him down for 9.4 WAR that year, the third-highest of his career.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Sep 24, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blah. 54 doubles at 20 years old, not 64.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Sep 24, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still impressive.
(And I imagine Ken Watanabe’s Ra’s Al Ghul uttering the word “impressive” in his mountaintop fortress after watching video of A-Rod’s 54 doubles as a 20-year-old.)
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 24, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
Or maybe Darth Vader saying “Impressive… most impressive…”
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Sep 24, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And yeah, it is still pretty damn impressive
at age 20 I weighed about 125 pounds and could maybe do 54 push ups in a row, but 54 double in a year was kind of not in the realm of possibility.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Sep 24, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
SN has fantastic spambot prevention
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 24, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't even know Sporting News was still around.
That’s the real news here.
Any idiot would know that.
by Epic on Sep 24, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
since it left the STL, it's dead to me
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by gdm426 on Sep 25, 2009 4:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so to be contrary, because I roll like that
How about Skip and Yadi getting hot again? I’m thinking DeRo is closer to putting it together again, too.
If Jointhepartywick can do just that, I’m gonna feel a lot better about our LOBsters.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 24, 2009 10:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
craig
I’m not sure anyone has addressed this…
but isn’t defense the reason that craig isn’t called up? His offensive numbers impress, but from what I’ve heard, his play at 3b is pretty horrid. That leaves finding a way to fit him into a crowded outfield. Who does he spell to get playing time? Dick? That ain’t gonna happen.
by _pistol_ on Sep 24, 2009 10:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd Sure...
..he’d be strictly a PH, maybe grab a rare start someplace VS a lefty (if he can hit lefties).
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Sep 24, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or, DH in the WS.
What with Jim Thome picked up by LA and Troy Glaus going down again. Of course, I imagine that TLR would rather have Ankiel DH…
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
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by bgh on Sep 24, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i just threw up in my mouth...
and how is that for a mind fuck for Ank? Being designated to do something you absolutely cannot do…
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by nomar34 on Sep 24, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm hoping they send Ankiel out for the press conference as the Game 1 starter
then leave him off the postseason roster
by brackenthebox on Sep 24, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Think Maybe...
…the tarp roller is looking for an-udder victim??
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by The MooCow on Sep 24, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's no way Ank DH's
Throw him in left or right and have Luddy or Holliday DH
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by slash2049 on Sep 24, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta be Holliday (or if Glaus gets healthy) at DH.
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by hazel on Sep 24, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we had chris duncan for two years so teh lack of D argument hold little water
plus, his minor league 3rd base stats show him to be an average defender….not great, but certainly not horrid
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by VolsnCards5 on Sep 24, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but short of the WS
we have no real need for him. And throwing the yoke of WS DH on the his back would be irresponsible. Plus he’s not even on the 40-man.
by _pistol_ on Sep 24, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's not eligible for the postseason
i’m not saying he should be our DH in the world series.
He should get his cup of coffee…he’s earned it and we need to see what he can do…we are going to put him on the 40 man this offseason anyway to protect him from the rule 5
he’s earned it, that was the reasoning for not calling up colby last year…not calling up craig is pointless and stupid
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by VolsnCards5 on Sep 24, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In fact last year
They expressly refused to call up Colby b/c he hadn’t earned it. All the while they played Kennedy and FLopez in the outfield. Now though TLR today says Craig did earn it, there aren’t enough at bats to go around. Just be consistent on your reasoning Tony. Craig merited a call up. Even if it were to ride the pine for two weeks. And I can’t buy that we wouldn’t be at least as well off having him take PH at bats rather than KGreene.
by OCCardsFan on Sep 24, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not calling up Freese last year is a better example.
The decision not to call up rasmus last year was very defensible; the decision not to call up Craig this year is not. Nor was the decision not to call up Freese last september.
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by SleepyCA on Sep 24, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree it was somewhat defensible last year
Though I still think the selective reasoning employed was flawed. Even if Colby didn’t “earn” it, it would have been better for the team for Colby to get his feet wet in the majors, then to give the same ABs to Kennedy and Lopez in the outfield.
by OCCardsFan on Sep 24, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would have been very easy to make him eligible, though.
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