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The Cubs lost, leaving us w/ a magic # of 1. This means that we've clinched a tie for the division. God help us if we can't win 1 of our last 10.

Smoltz wasn't too bad in his 2nd start since his 10 day layoff. Of course, we still can't hit Bud Norris. If the plan is for Smoltz to pitch in the bullpen in the playoffs, isn't it time to see if he can warm up quickly and otherwise get his arm ready to pitch out of the pen?

The Cards voided the contract of Wagner Mateo based on some issue related to his vision. Put aside the notion that we might use those $3 M toward resigning Matt Holliday. The team's budget and the player development budget are 2 different budgets and 1 doesn't affect the other.

The team promoted 4 players and guess what...Allen Craig isn't among them. Why should they? With Troy Glaus a healthy, productive, right handed bat w/ power off the bench, why would we need another? Instead the team chose David Freese, Tyler Greene, Josh Kinney (who actually MIGHT play a role in the postseason) and Matt Pagnozzi, the prodigy behind the plate who "batted" a robust .221/.299/.308 in the hitter-friendly PCL this year.

Tony says that, despite team splits of .235/.312/.367 against lefties, we have nothing to worry about in the postseason. If that's true, why did he start Skip Schumaker in CF Monday against Wandy Rodriguez instead of Rasmus or Ankiel? Could it be b/c of this? Now, Skip's not a lot better against lefties and he certainly isn't better in CF than Rasmus, but he does give the team a slight improvement at the plate over Colby. Of course, it's doubtful that he's worth what he costs the team defensively but the very fact that Tony's experimenting w/ CF the way he is indicates that he's not completely sold on the team's ability to hit lefties. (I apologize for any suggestion here that the team is flawed, btw!) If you look at what would be the starting 8's splits vs. lefties as Cardinals this year they are .271/.357/.434 w/ Skip and .264/.350/.436 w/ Colby. Both are respectable. However, that's also w/ Albert getting 179 PAs -- approximately 20% of the total. Needless to say, in the postseason he'd get slightly more than 11% of the PAs. Ryan Ludwick, FWIW, has 2 homers against lefties in 142 PAs this season.

Finally, right now the Cards sit in 3rd place in the NL -- just behind the Dodgers and Phils -- in the race for home field throughout the playoffs. If the playoffs began today, we would play the Dodgers and the Phils would play the Rockies. I think the Dodgers are the team I'd prefer to play in the first round. Sure, they have Wolf and Kershaw but the Phils have Lee and Hamels. Ubaldo Jimenez is really tough and I'm not sure we're better off facing him twice out of 4 or 5 games than we would be facing him in a 7 game series. The Phils may have the weakest pen but they also have the best lineup. Which team would you prefer to face in the first round? Or...discuss whatever you want to discuss (as if you need my permission!).

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Still pretty bummed about Mateo

Kid looked really good. I hope someone picks him up.

by LandSickness on Sep 24, 2009 8:04 AM EDT reply actions  

I feel terrible for Wagner Mateo

What a crushing letdown, to go from a $3 million-plus contract and a ticket out of what I can only presume would be a challenging life to — what? It will be an tremendous ongoing test of character for him to put something like that behind him and not spend much of his life thinking about what might have been.

I don’t blame the Cardinals. They aren’t running a charity, their Mark Mulder Foundation notwithstanding. But that doesn’t ease the disappointment for Wagner and his family.

And this business can’t help the Cards’ scouting prospects in the Dominican. No doubt there will be plenty of criticism of the organization there, possibly much of it ill-informed. But ill-informed or no, perceptions matter.

by Youneverknow on Sep 24, 2009 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would venture to guess

that we will not be getting any of the higher level dominican talent for a few years. Hopefully Pujols can do something to help the team out in his mother land.

by dcfcblues on Sep 24, 2009 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

i disagree

if we offer the most money(as we did with mateo and de la cruz) we will get the talent we want

money matters more than perceptions

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

by VolsnCards5 on Sep 24, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

not if Mateos agent and talent factory blacklist the Cards

from what I understand, these guys are the dominican scott boras’s

by dcfcblues on Sep 24, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

exactly

money will win out

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

by VolsnCards5 on Sep 24, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

in fairness, it is an open question which is more valuable:

the ottoman empire or a rent-controlled apartment at 75th and Lexington.

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Sep 24, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

you had to beat me to it

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Sep 24, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

2 bedrooms even

right by the subway…thats some prime real estate

Free Milton

by all4tookie on Sep 24, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

rent-controlled

you gotta take that.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Sep 24, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just think

The last time the Cubs won a World Series, the Ottoman Empire was still around!

"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer

by jd is legend on Sep 24, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I rec'd

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Sep 24, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it's a bad situation all-round

from the bits I saw (and I am certainly no expert), I’m not convinced he was worth the $3m bonus, but if it puts us off offering to high-profile latin kids in future, it’s probably a bad thing for the club as well as Mateo.

I still get the feeling he might catch on somewhere, just likely for a much smaller bonus…

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Sep 24, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, that all depends

on how bad the conditions are that he has.

by saladdays on Sep 24, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

How does it affect high-talent Latin kids' perception of us?

Does this make it more difficult to win over these types of prospects going forward?

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Sep 24, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

if we offer more money...we will win them over

thats how it always works

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

by VolsnCards5 on Sep 24, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ted...Is that you?

MUA HA HA HA! EVERYBODY HAS A PRICE!

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Sep 24, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Unless they have degenerative eye issues

no one is going to care about this in a year’s time. The only way this goes bad is if grievance proceedings are filed and leaked and the Cardinals turn out to be horrible people. Again, this whole situation is media fluff.

Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation

by azruavatar on Sep 24, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Media fluff?

A $3 million contract voided? (And the largest amateur signing bonus in Cards history, right?) Legal proceedings threatened by the player’s agent?

I don’t understand what you mean by media fluff. I haven’t even perceived the thing to have gotten a ton of media attention. Not even the Post has given it extensive coverage. Adequate, perhaps, but hardly extensive.

by Youneverknow on Sep 24, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

In other words

it has nothing to do with media fluff. You are merely repeating what others have already said about money being the deciding factor in a family’s decision.

by Youneverknow on Sep 24, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

no in other words

all the hand wringing is just media filling time….

by FunkeeC on Sep 24, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

The voiding may be a significant occurence

the REASON behind that is not. Nor is any feigned disgruntlement for future prospects.

Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation

by azruavatar on Sep 24, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Remember when RA Dickey got voided after his physical turned up no UCL in his pitching arm?

Which team was that who backed out on him again….

"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus

by hazel on Sep 24, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

The problem is the way it was reported in the first place

Rather than say “The cardinals have tentatively come to terms with WM pending the results of a physical”, they said “OMG Cardinals signed WM for $3M”. And then “OMG, Coldhearted Cardinals voided contract with poor blind kid”.

This actually seems like a case of our medical staff finally doing their jobs (unless they got this one wrong, too, and he goes on to sign witht he cubs and become the next Sammy Sosa).

it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie

by SleepyCA on Sep 24, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

The med staff could have it right

and he could still be the next Sammy Sosa. It’s a probabilities game. Degenerative conditions don’t degrade at the same rate for the same people.

Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation

by azruavatar on Sep 24, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

True Dat...

…people have been calling me degenerate for years, and I’m still here…
;=8)

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Sep 24, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

" and he goes on to sign witht he cubs and become the next Sammy Sosa"...

Oh, u mean become an-udder lying, cheating steroid abuser? Let’s hope not.

:=8/

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Sep 24, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

and then go to the Sox

to be the reverse Sammy Sosa

Mizzou 37 - Illinois 9

by STLRegalia on Sep 24, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Signing a 16-year-old

to the largest amateur signing bonus in club history is an OMG story.

I said in my original post above that I think the Cards made the right decision to void the contract. They didn’t have a choice. But for you to write that the media is in the wrong in how it has reported the story (??!!), that makes no sense to me.

by Youneverknow on Sep 24, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

re: media

here’s Jeff Passan ripping the team. This article is on the Yahoo MLB front page.

Mateo, in the meantime, continues to train. Mercedes wants him to forget about the Cardinals. It is not that easy. He is 16. His family remains impoverished. St. Louis provided him the gateway out.

"I am proud to sign with the Cardinals, a team with so much history," Mateo said on July 2, the day he believed his life changed. The Cardinals sent scouting director Jeff Luhnow to Santo Domingo for a news conference. Mateo wore a Cardinals jersey and cap and a big smile.

Everything he saw that day was clear and perfect.

"Now it’s going to be tough," Mercedes said. "It’s brutal. Now they’re going to say he’s hindered. No. He’s not. He can play."

And he will. Wagner Mateo will swing a bat and catch balls and hope that his eye gets better. And he’ll never, ever forget the day the St. Louis Cardinals called him defective and kept the millions. Because who could?

Passan spends almost no time discussing Mateo’s condition, choosing instead to spend most of it on bashing the Cards FO.

by nota bene on Sep 24, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup

I agree with you that Passan’s article is unfair.

by Youneverknow on Sep 24, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Cardinals have a charity: Cardinal Care.

It’s based in St. Louis, not the Dominican. I understand the life situation that Mateo was born into and that his family lives in every day and I can only imagine how happy they all were on the day he signed, but his physical condition did not meet the standards of the Cardinals. The contract was therefore voided as this was the contingent language agreed to by Mateo and his representative. This is not a sob story. I wish Mateo the best and hope that his vision is fine, but the Cardinals organization is not the evil villain here. They made a business decision, just like they did with Aaron Miles and countless other players and prospects. This piece by Passan is shoddy writing.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Sep 24, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

It’s one thing to empathize with Wagner for the unfortunate nature of all of this. It’s another to moralize the situation.

"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter

by spants on Sep 24, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I stand by my statement in the fanpost....
Jeff Passan is an Asshat.

"Obviously, tipping pitches didn't help" - John Smotzl
"If you disrespect the Baseball Gods, you'll get slapped." - TLR

by RiverRat on Sep 24, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

dear jeff passan --

we are pleased to learn that you wish to make up for the cardinals’ shoddy treatment by donating 90% of your salary to dominican orphans and living in a cardboard box this year. we hope an in-kind donation of $3m will be forthcoming from the good people at Yahoo! Sports.

Those orphans are counting on you.

Best,
Cards fans

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Sep 24, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

+3.1million

"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus

by hazel on Sep 24, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's probably impressed we even have $3.1 million to throw around...

Because judging by the attendance in mid-30 degree weather in last year’s opening series with Colorado, Cardinal fans have given up on the franchise.

V, b.

by LukeMP1186 on Sep 24, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Had to rec that...

That article came to mind after reading his piece about the Mateo situation.

Any idiot would know that.

by The Classical on Sep 24, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Passan must be a cubs fan I think

he’s written 2 or 3 sensationalist articles absolutely murdering the Cards this year, including one at the start of the year saying we had no chance of making it to post-season.

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Sep 24, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kansas City

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 24, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jeff Passan

is an Asshat….or a fucktard….your choice.

"Obviously, tipping pitches didn't help" - John Smotzl
"If you disrespect the Baseball Gods, you'll get slapped." - TLR

by RiverRat on Sep 24, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can I put fucktard in a sig?

"Obviously, tipping pitches didn't help" - John Smotzl
"If you disrespect the Baseball Gods, you'll get slapped." - TLR

by RiverRat on Sep 24, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Y’all just had a whole discussion about it.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Sep 24, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's see if we can disagree with his opinion

without just flinging random names around. . . technically the community guidelines frown on that.

Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation

by azruavatar on Sep 24, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

So I shouldn't sig that then.

got it.

"Obviously, tipping pitches didn't help" - John Smotzl
"If you disrespect the Baseball Gods, you'll get slapped." - TLR

by RiverRat on Sep 24, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Asshat isn't random

the guy worked hard his whole damn journalistic career for that title, and now you’ll deny him??? Petty, Azru, petty….

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Sep 25, 2009 4:15 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

KC? you're saying he's a Royal's fan?

That makes sense too because they have a 1 sided rivalry with the cards, kind of like the ones in high school where the Nerds hated the Popular People but the Popular People didn’t know the Nerds existed. I only found out about a few years back and that was by pure accident…if anything they should love the cards because they stole their only WS from them.

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Sep 24, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Craig & the postseason roster

With the 4 call-ups only one had to be added to the 40 man roster and that only brought us up to 39. I think Freese or Greene is going to make the post season roster as well since Tony has hinted at a smaller bullpen during the playoffs and if Glaus is “physically unable to play” then we can replace him with any member of the organization and use Freese or Greene as the bench bat.

While I would rather see what Craig can do over Greene (I feel confident that he is going to be a decent bat and glove sooner rather than later) there is no reason to put him on the 40 man roster at this time (not sure if he is Rule 5 eligble this off season though). If Craig doesn’t get a spring training invite then feel free to complain as loud as you want but right now there is no real reason to. We brought up needed parts and right now a leftfielder is not what they want (I do think Craig can hold down the fort at 3rd but the organization doesn’t seem to think that too).

Anyway as for the post season roster here is what I see us carrying:

2: Molina, LaRue
3: Pujols
4: Schumaker, Thurston, Lugo
5: DeRosa, Greene, K
6: Ryan, Greene, T
7: Holliday
8: Rasmus, Ankiel
9: Ludwick

Total: 14 Position Players

SP: Carp, Wainwright, Pineiro, Lohse
RP: Franklin, Smoltz, McClellan, Motte, Miller, Reyes, one of Hawksworth, Wellemeyer and Thompson

Total: 11 Pitchers

"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."

by StLHugo on Sep 24, 2009 8:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Is there any reason to take Kahlil into the postseason?

I think I’d rather have Freese as the backup 3B than K-Bot.

"Don't do anything till I get back!" - Jesus to the Cubs

by cardzfanbub on Sep 24, 2009 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

he's healthier than Freese

when there’s a bizarre DP injury involving Manny Ramirez’s hair, you’ll want that extra guy.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 24, 2009 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

uhm, Glaus

holy crap, I can’t even type the third basemen right!

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 24, 2009 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would rather have Freese

but I think the chance that KBot doesn’t make it and Freese does is slim.

"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."

by StLHugo on Sep 24, 2009 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

hooves up for Tasty Freese and the Hawk; hooves down for KBot and Puppykicker

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Sep 24, 2009 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it's hard not to take Hawksworth

he’s been a fair bit better than PK and (blech) Wellemeyer. I think he might actually (at least until this week) have been ahead of Motte in the pecking order, anyhow, so I’m sure he’ll make it. TLR’s generally been quite good at cutting the deadwood (bipolar betty in 2006) from the postseason rosters.

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Sep 24, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

And I'd Take...

Boggsy over Wellemyer at this point too.

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Sep 24, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Sep 24, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Boggs would be my 4th starter at this point

he’s looked more impressive than Lohse, except perhaps for the last 10 days

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Sep 24, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't think freese was eligible for the postseason?

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

by VolsnCards5 on Sep 24, 2009 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hey Flim-

I got my hoodie- it looks great!!

Now if the freakin’ weather in NoCal will cool off enough to wear it. These near 100 degree days aren’t cutting it as sweatshirt weather….

Thanks for making these VEB-wear items…. last time that happened the Cards won it all!

Don't ping my cheese with your bandwidth.

by RosevilleRedbird on Sep 24, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's pretty chilly here in San Francisco

The weather in this city never fails to confuse me.

by mojowo11 on Sep 24, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly the assumption I was making

"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."

by StLHugo on Sep 24, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

what about welley?

clearly has no role in the postseason and has barely pitched.

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Sep 24, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you're right...

scratch what I said.

"Don't do anything till I get back!" - Jesus to the Cubs

by cardzfanbub on Sep 24, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

What Flim said.

"Obviously, tipping pitches didn't help" - John Smotzl
"If you disrespect the Baseball Gods, you'll get slapped." - TLR

by RiverRat on Sep 24, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Freese vs. K. Greene

We pretty much have to have K. Greene. The only position player we can replace is Glaus, IF he is DL’d – all of the others are ‘locked’ in, barring an injury….

KJOK

by KJOK on Sep 24, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why?

We had 28 or something “eligble” players at the deadline, of those if any is physically unable to play then we can “replace” them. Glaus is physically unable to play so he can be replaced with anyone we want out of the organization, add that person to the other 27 and then choose 25, so 3 could be left off. K Green could be one of the ones, Thurston could be, a pitcher could be. We have plenty of options to leave off, but only 1 extra person in the pool because of Glaus. Another injury just gives us another person in the pool to choose from.

"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."

by StLHugo on Sep 24, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

right

matt leach goes into it in more detail here.

it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie

by SleepyCA on Sep 24, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

my source of information actually

probably should have linked to it

"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."

by StLHugo on Sep 24, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

HFS!

Thurston has been on this roster all season long! And we are a favorite to win the world series! Inconceivable!

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

by VolsnCards5 on Sep 24, 2009 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

The GOBs will have their revenge...

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Sep 24, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

My problem with not calling up Craig

Is the convenient use of justifications once again. Last year, Colby wasn’t called up because he hadn’t “earned” it. Well what more could Craig have done to “earn” the call-up? Even if he doesn’t play, I think he deserved a call up and frankly why not get him some ABs instead of Kaheel or the ghost of Troy Glaus.

by OCCardsFan on Sep 24, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

which is why I am not as upset as some over this. But still, we don’t need no stinkin’ KBot in October…

:=8/

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Sep 24, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

At 25

if AC needs all of those option years he is not going to worth the time anyways. Burning one year of them would not affect anything.

I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and sticks when they've invented the lighter?

by nomar34 on Sep 24, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Like Skippy,

which means he’ll be pretty low-cost for the bulk of his most productive seasons.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Sep 24, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

The option year ain't worth much. . .

but Craig’s contribution over the last 10 meaningless games is worth nothing – zero – zilch, because there’s no way TLR uses him in the postseason, even if Mozeliak wins the Pyrrhic victory to include him on the postseason roster.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Sep 24, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

until we can guarantee games free of injury, I am not happy with the reasoning of carrying "too many guys"

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 24, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

REC'ed...

…for use of Pyrrhic victory…

:=8)

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Sep 24, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

but it's ok to burn pagnozzi's

a guy who has done nothing to earn it

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

by VolsnCards5 on Sep 24, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

We should tell Allen to change his name to Pettini

It’s worth a try.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Sep 24, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or Gaetti.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Sep 24, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

But Paggzi...

…is a catcher; moost play-off teams carry a 3rd catcher, if they can.

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Sep 24, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

We don't even use LaRue

why the hell would we need a third?

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by azruavatar on Sep 24, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

LaRue is Too Busy....

…posing for retro-70’s porn posters…
;=8)

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Sep 24, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I had to guess

It’s so they could do something like take Yadi out mid-game, stick LaRue in there, and still feel like they’re going to be okay if LaRue gets hurt somehow.

Not that I think that makes all that much sense, but that’s what I’m guessing.

by mojowo11 on Sep 24, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anything

that gives us a chance to pinch run for Yadi is likely a good thing.

Carry the battle to them. Don't let them bring it to you. Put them on the defensive and don't ever apologize for anything.

by giveml on Sep 24, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yadi doesn't seem to do too bad after he gets to 1B, it's just getting him there is a bitch.

Unless it’s gonna be like a family softball game, where Yadi bats and the kids run for him.

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by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 24, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

For some reason I thought...

September options didn’t burn up options either…maybe they don’t affect service time?

"Don't do anything till I get back!" - Jesus to the Cubs

by cardzfanbub on Sep 24, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are correct.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Sep 24, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like that roster

with the choice of Hawksworth for 11th pitcher.

If Freese proves that he can hit over the last 10 days, I take him instead of TGreene. Theoretically, the same could be said of Glaus, but I think that’s a pretty remote possibility. And if both Freese and Glaus are healthy and able to hit, I’d boot Thurston and take the two 3B instead of Thurston / Greene.

by SouthsideCardsFan on Sep 24, 2009 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

yep

Craig has to be added to the 40 man roster by november 20th or something like that… or he’ll be eligible for the rule 5 draft. I just don’t get why they didn’t call him up.

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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 24, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think facing the Dodgers in the first round would be best

The Cards seem to have their number this year (as well in past years).

I would also very severely hope that the Rocks could knock out the Phillies so that we do not have to face that lineup.

I think those would probably be the ideal matchups.

by LandSickness on Sep 24, 2009 8:10 AM EDT reply actions  

agreed.

I mean, obviously, if we could get the Rockies in the first round and Dodgers in the second, I’d be fine with that, too…cause that means we’re going 2 rounds, minimum.

by stlfan on Sep 24, 2009 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree, sort of

but after just watching the WWL detail the massive struggles of one Brad Lidge I am beginning to warm to the possibility of ripping out the Phillies hearts.

Carry the battle to them. Don't let them bring it to you. Put them on the defensive and don't ever apologize for anything.

by giveml on Sep 24, 2009 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

Partly. They do have tremendous lefty starters. And as we all know, our lineup has a weak spot for lefties. Considering Lee already masterpieced us, I doubt we would see much of Lidge, especially in any type of high-leveraged, slim lead situations. I hope we do. But I doubt it..

I want the Walrus back...

by Paulspike on Sep 24, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

The one-two punch of Wolf-Kershaw doesn’t much scare me, our inability to hit lefties notwithstanding.

by mojowo11 on Sep 24, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, at least people have heard of Wolf before

Pitchers nobody has ever heard before get like, a +5 awesome bonus against us for some reason.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Sep 24, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

true

Positronic Upgraded Juggernaut Optimized for Logical Sabotage

by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 24, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

personally

I would rather have one of the most clutch post season pitchers ever in the rotation rather than Lohse. I know the org. is saying otherwise, but that would be my preference.

by t7rick on Sep 24, 2009 8:14 AM EDT reply actions  

4th starter though

Probaly won’t pitch in an NLDS unless we don’t get lucky with off days, and would only pitch once in the NLCS or WS as well. I would rather have Smoltz pitching 1 inning every day for up to 7 games than 5-7 innings in a single start. I think the gain of Smoltz over Wellemeyer or Thompson and even Hawksworth is greater than the gain over Lohse.

"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."

by StLHugo on Sep 24, 2009 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nothing about luck

We are going to need a 4th starter in the NLDS if we don’t sweep. None of our pitchers should or can go on short rest

by FlimtotheFlam on Sep 24, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

We only used 3 in 2006

Carp, Weaver, Suppan, Carp

"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."

by StLHugo on Sep 24, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't you think we had a plan in case we didn't sweep, though?

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Sep 24, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

we didn't sweep

Carp went twice

"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."

by StLHugo on Sep 24, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

On regular rest

barring a rainout, that won’t happen this year.

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Sep 24, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Luck with off days

I stated that to begin with. I haven’t looked at the schedule for the NLDS, but I still don’t think Smoltz as the 4th man in the NLDS makes sense.

"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."

by StLHugo on Sep 25, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wasnt there a rain delay though

that helped with off days?

No excuses. No injuries. No "better luck next time"
Do it, and shut the f—- up.
-Reggie Jackson

by stlwcards on Sep 24, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't remember

but we got lucky with off days that year and as such didn’t need a 4th starter.

"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."

by StLHugo on Sep 24, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

2006 nlds

had an off day between games one and two, and between games two and three. That scenario is being used by the AL this year. Carp went on normal rest in game 4 of the 2006 nlds

by ubeddie on Sep 24, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly why I said

getting lucky with off days (realized I put a double negative in the first post though), if we got lucky with off days we won’t need a 4th starter and if we sweep we won’t need it either.

"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."

by StLHugo on Sep 24, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unless That Single Start....

….is make or break. Suppose we’re down 0-2? Who pitches game 3?

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Sep 24, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ooops, I Meant 0-3

what if there is an injury?

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Sep 24, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

NLDS would be 0-2

You had it right the first time

"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."

by StLHugo on Sep 24, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

HOLY FUCKING SHIT

WE NEED FOUR STARTERS IN THE NLDS!

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Sep 24, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Personally....

…I’d love to have 7 good starters for the play-offs, just in case!
;=8)

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Sep 24, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

We need to win just 4 out of 7...

Smoltz is going to pitch roughly the same number of innings either way, why not use him in the most highly leveraged situations possible…

by musial6 on Sep 24, 2009 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

ding ding ding!!!

We have a winner.

First time seeing that splitter will give hitters fits…FITS!

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

by VolsnCards5 on Sep 24, 2009 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

You could argue that a 0-0 in the first inning of a playoff game is a fairly high leverage situation

however, I think I agree – Smoltz to the pen.

I’d actually throw out Boggs as the 4th starter at this moment, I think, but if Lohse has one more solid start I think he’s just about earned it back.

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Sep 24, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

right...

But he’d get more high leverage opportunities in the pen.

I’d really like to have Smoltz and Boggs in the pen. Lohse just needs to give us 5 innings, one game per series. I think he can do that.

by musial6 on Sep 24, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Dodgers still worry me

Seeing the Cardinals facing lefties makes me cry in a corner.

However, the Phillies staff is pretty good. It can pretty much explode into a state of awesomeness with Lee and Hamels, but the Rockies just don’t scare me that much. We can keep up with them bat for bat, and our pitching is sufficient enough so that we would come out victorious.

One interesting note: 3/4 of the teams have closer dilemmas, which is very peculiar. LA seems to be more stable in that role than any other team (2 experienced closers is pretty good)

"Thunder is good, thunder is impressive; but it is lightning that does all the work"
-Mark Twain

by Taskmaster on Sep 24, 2009 8:21 AM EDT reply actions  

The Phils have 3 lefties

The Dodgers 2.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Sep 24, 2009 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Phils can even throw out 4 if they want

but I suspect the playoff rotation will only have 3.

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Sep 24, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

And since 3>2

Phils>Dodgers

I want the Walrus back...

by Paulspike on Sep 24, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

transitive property

gets some veb love

defy, cards, defy. hey logic --- you suck.

by effin fisk on Sep 24, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

And Frankly..

…the Phils lefties are tougher, IMO

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Sep 24, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Im retarded

I swear to god I thought Lee was RH…..Oh well

Should probably look that crap up before I post it :)

"Thunder is good, thunder is impressive; but it is lightning that does all the work"
-Mark Twain

by Taskmaster on Sep 24, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

very disappointed in the team's makeup. or man stew, if you will.

If they couldn’t buckle down for a few call-ups and the crack reporting team of FSM stirring the pot with clinching questions, they’re nowhere near sewn up enough to go through the barrage of playoffs media.

I’d say get Jimmy in there to talk to them, except Jimmy has finally escaped to Mickey Mouse (and he hasn’t watched a lot of games anyway.)

Carpenter and Pujols better whip these guys into shape, mentally. I don’t see any of the other vets stepping up. TLR is busy inventing shoulder bumps with Thurston and Smoltz looks like he’s just discovered his number one fan club.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 24, 2009 8:29 AM EDT reply actions  

what am i missing?

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

by VolsnCards5 on Sep 24, 2009 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was thinking that last week.

Get Jimmy in here to say whatever the hell it was that he said in ’06.

"Obviously, tipping pitches didn't help" - John Smotzl
"If you disrespect the Baseball Gods, you'll get slapped." - TLR

by RiverRat on Sep 24, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is that the year

he started giving out the game balls?

by RedJoker on Sep 24, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think so.

"Obviously, tipping pitches didn't help" - John Smotzl
"If you disrespect the Baseball Gods, you'll get slapped." - TLR

by RiverRat on Sep 24, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep and the very first one went to The Thug.

"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsh on winning the 1982 World Series.

by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 24, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I gotta say I hope we are hosting the Rockies in the...

NLDS. I figure we’re likely to face the Phillies in the NLCS regardless of who we would have to beat in the division series to get there…I also feel like the Rockies and Dodgers are equally inferior to the Cards. I’d much rather try and beat the Phils in STL than at their place.

"Don't do anything till I get back!" - Jesus to the Cubs

by cardzfanbub on Sep 24, 2009 8:37 AM EDT reply actions  

Idea:

If we can’t/don’t resign Holliday…get Bradley on the cheap, having the Cubs eat most of his salary.

"I'll be glad to have Ryan [Braun] help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy." - Doug Melvin

by all4tookie on Sep 24, 2009 8:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Albert wouldn't hug that guy

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 24, 2009 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

hug = left hook to the junk

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Sep 24, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Let me be myself

So I can shine

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Sep 24, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

ahhahaha

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 24, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

But seriously

If the caring and nurturing St. Louis Project MWN atmosphere could turn around Milton Bradley then there is nothing that we can’t accomplish.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Sep 24, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

matty, there's pie and then there's miracles.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 24, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't underestimate pie.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Sep 24, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was making a pie-adjusted statements

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 24, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Either way

I suspect the departure of Felix Pie from the Cubs organization also had an effect on Bradley.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Sep 24, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

and then there's miracle pie

4 Eggs
1 Stick of butter
1/2 c Sugar
1/2 c Flour
1 ts Vanilla
2 c Vitamin d milk
1 c Coconut
Blend all these ingredients in your blender and pour into a greased
pie pan.

Serve piping hot to malcontented outfielders to prevent altercations with teammates*, opponents*, umpires*, and fans*

*Your results may vary

by brackenthebox on Sep 24, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

recd

How depressing is it being you? Is it closer to being a lifelong cubs fan or being born without lips? - Janitor

by themanthemyth on Sep 24, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd Sonner Hug...

…a teddy bear cholla cactus. Google it, and you’ll see what I mean.

:=8P

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Sep 24, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'll bet you wouldn't mind hugging this little dude.

He looks pretty friendly. But finding them can be a pain.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Sep 24, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thankfully hug-ability is not an integral part of hitting/fielding/throwing

"I'll be glad to have Ryan [Braun] help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy." - Doug Melvin

by all4tookie on Sep 24, 2009 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

You understand why they haven’t won in 100 years here.

Sounds like he fits in already.

"I'll be glad to have Ryan [Braun] help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy." - Doug Melvin

by all4tookie on Sep 24, 2009 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

dude, okay...

batting average, RBIs, range factor/game, outfield arm runs above average, UZR

.257 / 40 / 1.9 / -2.7 / -2.6
.227 / 32 / 1.7 / -3.3 / -1.7

One of those is Chris Duncan, 2008.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 24, 2009 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

oops, offense is from 2009.

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 24, 2009 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Obviously had a down 2009

But dude was/is awesome, and there is little reason to think he couldn’t perform in the future at pre-2009 levels. Can’t just completely discount what he did before because he had a bad year.

And you know how I feel about BA and RBIs. Even in this bad year he has a .345 wOBA and .378 OBP.

"I'll be glad to have Ryan [Braun] help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy." - Doug Melvin

by all4tookie on Sep 24, 2009 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dude is not all there.

Run Vince run! There's a tarp chasing you! Run! It's right behind you!

by TBender on Sep 24, 2009 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's why I don't think we should pay full price for him

But certifiably crazy or not, Gamemaker gets on base.

"I'll be glad to have Ryan [Braun] help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy." - Doug Melvin

by all4tookie on Sep 24, 2009 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

In full disclosure,

I would sign TO, Pacman, Barry Bonds, John Rocker, and Mike Tyson if the price was right.

"I'll be glad to have Ryan [Braun] help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy." - Doug Melvin

by all4tookie on Sep 24, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jason Marquis is different from all of those guys

They’re good (well, maybe not John Rocker) and he sucks!

"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer

by jd is legend on Sep 24, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's a craphole (trying to be nice here)

Seriously. I live in a Chicago ’burb and I read about this guy every day. I actually feel bad for the Cubs. I do not ever want the Cards to even talk to him.

by sdrone on Sep 24, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I live in NY and read about how much A-Rod is a choker and isn't clutch

and how Jeter is Mr. All-world everything. Media perception isn’t necessarily the truth. Its funny – if the Cubs and Cards were flipped in the standings, and Bradley had the same stat line, I am willing to bet anything he would be viewed as a “spark” or “fiery” or “just Milton being Milton” rather than a superbadawful villain.

My real point is: take advantage of everyone else thinking he has cooties and get a good player for a fraction of his value.

Free Milton

by all4tookie on Sep 24, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

*a small fraction, mind you.

Not one of those improper ones.

Free Milton

by all4tookie on Sep 24, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

5 out of 4 people can't do fractions.

"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter

by spants on Sep 24, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

32 years old in 2010

"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT

by Yadi2Second on Sep 24, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

It is.

And I get what you are saying, and I would agree with it but for our manager. TLR is not Milton Bradley’s kind of manager, IMO. They are oil and water and it would not go well. Of course, I expected Sweet Lou to Dibble Milton after a game this season, so I may be wrong.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Sep 24, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good point.

What are the chances he would embrace a guy like TLR in an attempt to rectify his image and shed the bad character pay cut (and that such a change would last longer than one month)?

Free Milton

by all4tookie on Sep 24, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't like those odds.

You look at his season in Texas, out of the media glare and with a fairly laid back manager, and I think that is the ideal fit for Bradley. Not that the media glare in St. Louis is that bad (unless your last name is “Duncan,” apparently), but TLR is not like Ron Washington at all. Furthermore, I don’t think it is beyond the bleachers of Busch to taunt a Cardinal, especially one who is not producing very well. Of course, it’s probably not beyond any fans. I don’t know what situation it will take to make Bradley an acceptable gamble for a club, but I don’t think St. Louis, with TLR as manager, is that situation.

"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."

--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS

by bgh on Sep 24, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

What does media perception have to do with anything?

He has called Cubs fans racist on multiple occasions without citing example. His first interview in Chicago on radio was adversarial. Lou called him a “piece of shit” and it got leaked to the press. He’s now saying his daughter was called n$$$$$ without citing example (but he never took it up with the school.

Oh, and played a lackadaisical outfield and can’t count outs.

Media perception isn’t the issue. Bradley is the issue.

by sdrone on Sep 24, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

seriously

he got suspended for the remainder of the season for mouthing off to the press about the fans and the franchise. Not one of his teammates defended him.

Can anybody think of another time that’s ever happened?

by nota bene on Sep 24, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's both.

Bradley was never going to be a good fit with the Chicago Cubs. White Sox? Maybe.

And that’s assuming Bradley can personally be a good fit anywhere.

"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter

by spants on Sep 24, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

All I heard about was the newspaper interview.

Is the rest of that true?

"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus

by hazel on Sep 24, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

That and more

Lou called him that in the clubhouse at a Whitesox game. Bradley left the stadium after that.

The kid thing is the newest deal. His mom talked about that (she now says she thought it was an off hte record phone conversation with a Chicago radio personality). Apparently Bradley’s 3 year old kid is surrounded by kids and teachers who are racists. Oh yeah, and Bradley does nothing about it and leaves the kid in that shool.

anyway, it’s kinda sad. I guess in the end it’s easier to become a recluse if you’re rich.

by sdrone on Sep 24, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who cares if he plays a lackadasical outfield

That’s a common criticism of players who people want to label as jerks. He’s always been a plus defender by UZR.

Let me ask you this. What makes Bradley so much different from Manny or Braun in terms of asshattery?

by vivaelpujols on Sep 24, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think Braun's as bad as Manny and MB.

Has Braun ever refused to play?

"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter

by spants on Sep 24, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

He didn't refuse to play

At least with Chicago. He told Lou his knee was hurting and he needed a pinch runner. Then he didn’t pinch hit the next day, supposedly because of his knee.

by vivaelpujols on Sep 24, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Manny played that game, too.

And they had the MRI on both knees b/c they thought he would change his mind about which knee was hurt.

In my hierarchy of asshat, it goes like this:
1. Manny
2. Milton
3. Braun/Papelbon (and really only for personality shit, not b/c they appear to be bad teammates)

"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter

by spants on Sep 24, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jeff Passan.

"Obviously, tipping pitches didn't help" - John Smotzl
"If you disrespect the Baseball Gods, you'll get slapped." - TLR

by RiverRat on Sep 24, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

the implication was we were discussing

people whose talent was balanced by their asshattery.

passan is ineligible due to lack of talent.

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Sep 24, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter

by spants on Sep 24, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

That doesn't change the fact that he is

a giant Asshat. Just getting my message out there.

"Obviously, tipping pitches didn't help" - John Smotzl
"If you disrespect the Baseball Gods, you'll get slapped." - TLR

by RiverRat on Sep 24, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's more of a fucktard.

"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter

by spants on Sep 24, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I could get on board with this.

"Obviously, tipping pitches didn't help" - John Smotzl
"If you disrespect the Baseball Gods, you'll get slapped." - TLR

by RiverRat on Sep 24, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

get on board the fucktard train!

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Sep 24, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you guys talking about Jayson Werth?

I know that guy!

"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus

by hazel on Sep 24, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

South Park disagrees


/completely off of baseball topic at this point.

"Obviously, tipping pitches didn't help" - John Smotzl
"If you disrespect the Baseball Gods, you'll get slapped." - TLR

by RiverRat on Sep 24, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's a bit of a hack as well.

"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus

by hazel on Sep 24, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

VEP, email.

"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus

by hazel on Sep 24, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

wait

you’re actually serious

Oh my

"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister

by VolsnCards5 on Sep 24, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am here to educate you about the single biggest threat to our planet.

You see, there is something out there which threatens our very existence and may be the end to sports as we know it. I’m talking, of course, about BradleyOwensBonds. It is a creature which roams the Earth alone. It is half nutjob, half diva, and half roider.

by brackenthebox on Sep 24, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

AND...

…with a scary giant coconut for a head!

:=8.

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Sep 24, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Guessing game:

Player A (Awesome McGreat):
2008: .268/.374/.502/.876, .384 wOBA, UZR: 1.5
2009: .248/.343/.445/.788, .343 wOBA, UZR: -2.7

Player B (Boo Bastard O’Terrible):
2008: .321/.436/.563/.999, .423 wOBA, UZR: 2.6
2009: .257/.378/.397/.775, .345 wOBA, UZR: -2.6

Free Milton

by all4tookie on Sep 24, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, but that would probably be a a good comp too

Player A is Sizemore. I don’t think many would be opposed to picking him up on the cheap. Perception is everything.

Free Milton

by all4tookie on Sep 24, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bravo. I had to look it up.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Sep 24, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I mean bravo for the interesting comparison

Obviously you shouldn’t get credit for guessing it, since you were the one who posed the question.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Sep 24, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Except..

…that Grady Size isn’t a headcase that everybody hates.

:=8/

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Sep 24, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

AND

he’s brittle as hell. No grit. in fact, he has ANTI-GRIT!!!

:=8O

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Sep 24, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s not fair. Grady was hurt all year. He was playing through injuries he now needs surgery for. Bradley had a down year for no real reason from what I can gather. Maybe I’m not getting what your comparison is saying but to me it doesn’t seem fair.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Sep 24, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

It doesn't really matter if he had a down year

Because we have no reason to expect him to continue that.

by vivaelpujols on Sep 24, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

We have No Reason...

….that he’ll improve, either. No time bombs!

:=8/

Big McLargehuge!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Sep 24, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

But there IS reason to believe Grady will get better, there is no reason to believe Milton will get better or stay the same or get worse. That’s the difference.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Sep 24, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

And Milton's 08 was better than Grady's.

"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter

by spants on Sep 24, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is that batting average? I’ve never known.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Sep 24, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

His 2008 season was better.

His BA was higher, his OBP was higher, his SLG was higher, his OPS was higher, his wOBA was higher.

"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter

by spants on Sep 24, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

You will never convince me Milton is a better player than Grady. I’m not good with numbers but I think being reliably good is very valuable.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Sep 24, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Please don't put words in my mouth.

All I said was that his 2008 season was better. Their 2009 campaigns were remarkably similar, though for very different reasons.

"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter

by spants on Sep 24, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn’t mean to ut words in your mouth. I’m sorry.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Sep 24, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I would argue most people would and it has very little to do with perception.

Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?

by ClemsonGirl on Sep 24, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

It has to do with the crazy.

Imagine MB’s behavior in an office setting.

"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter

by spants on Sep 24, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

apt

T.O. in the real world

"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon

by Alxfritz on Sep 24, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter

by spants on Sep 24, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Milton in an office setting

Nice!

Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka

* sarcasm might be involved in this comment

by mattyfrommo on Sep 24, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bradley hit better yeah

But Sizemore was also playing GG caliber CF while Bradley was on the bench when his team is on the field.

Not afraid to nitpick

by joker24 on Sep 24, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Girl fight!

"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer

by jd is legend on Sep 24, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Too slow. We already cleared the air.

"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter

by spants on Sep 24, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

With our luck

It’s probably more like “Girl initial disagreement that is resolved through patient communication and understanding resulting in all of us reaching deeper levels of friendship because of it.” And that is of course a huge disapointment because they’re no fighting or hair pulling or anything.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Sep 24, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

Yes! We can always bond over Grady.

"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter

by spants on Sep 24, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Girls are so boring!

Heh. Only kidding of course.

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Sep 24, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not this girl.

/stab

"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter

by spants on Sep 24, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Et tu, spants!

[Dies]

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Sep 24, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

beware the ides of rosh hashanah!

/late soothsay.

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Sep 24, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Seriously

Where were you in Act 1?

Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.

by mattybobo on Sep 24, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

the soothsayer is not a morning person.

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Sep 24, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs