Cardinals vs. Cubs: A Thorough, Poetic Recap
by DanUpBaby on Sep 21, 2009 2:36 AM EDT
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Maybe this is what gives people problems when they try to rationalize the way they've watched baseball all their lives with the basically fascist concepts of small sample size, defensive-independent pitching, etc... It's hard to think about how Adam Wainwright pitched last night in any measured, constrained way; it was a vintage Carpenter performance, not just great pitching but willful pitching.
The Fukudome at-bat at the end of his night is a perfect microcosm—curveball, called strike; curveball, called strike; curveball, swinging strike. (He threw Fukudome one fastball all night, out of ten pitches, and it was his first pitch of the game.) He wasn't just pitching backwards, sometimes, he was pitching completely without the fastball: four or five times he went four pitches deep into an at-bat without bringing it back, throwing the curveball and the slider twice in a row without any fear. All things considered he managed fourteen swinging strikes, got eight of his eleven Duncan Outs with groundballs... it was difficult to watch this game and know that Tim Lincecum is the better pitcher. (But at least, as if to prove the point, he wasn't last night.)
I guess the important distinction to make, when watching baseball and enjoying it as opposed to analyzing and thinking about it, is that it can be—maybe has to be—two separate things. Year-to-year performance is one thing; Wainwright's super-Wainwrightian performance last night is another.
As for the game—I guess you can't win them all, and I'd guess, further, that yesterday's ending is maybe the most severe, literal way that's ever been put across. Coming at the end of a series the Cardinals lost it would have seemed like a terrible twist of fate; coming at the end of a near-sweep, one won in such a bizarre fashion, the umpires' decision to actually enforce a rule around second base seemed more like... I don't know, an acknowledgment that the Cardinals had been doing a little too well.
I was sad, finally, to see it happen—I won't, can't relax until the magic number is Kerry Robinson. But a series like that, I thought, can't be summed up in prose.
ONE MAN'S REMARKS
ON THE OCCASION OF THE CARDINALS PLAYING THE CUBS
A SESTINA
There is a rivalry, the Cardinals,
playing Whitman's game of base,
encounter every year: the Cubs,
Anson's orphans, aught eight's terrors.
Divisions, simple pride, their worth,
red and blue across the field.
Encounter one: John Smoltz can't field
a first attempt at Cubs and Cardinals;
Perhaps too keen to show his worth
He let Cap's Bearcubs have their bases,
Doubles his recurring terror.
But soon he'd get to know the Cubs,
those Bobby Scales, Brant Brown Bearcubs!
Own worst nightmares when afield,
Santo's source of daily terrors—
Finally there came the Cardinals
Of the Rose's extra bases
come just as we question his worth.
Never mind what Chrisper's worth;
One in hand's worth two bushed Bearcubs.
With Mark of Rose astride third base
And Lego feet upon left field,
"Win the series!" - Coach, the Cardinals
Still, they seemed like three game terrors
Frankie sucked but closing terrors
proved less trouble than they're worth;
far into regulation, Cardinals'
bullpen jocks beat back the Bearcubs,
Boog the best at bat, afield
'Til Holliday slid off the base.
O! that path around the bases;
Umpire's discretion: my great terror.
Standing there around the field
they ponder every rule's true worth
Context favored here the Bearcubs
One win under-nose from Cardinals...
"But basic test of my club's worth:
tearers of two from these tough Cubs."
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Nice Poem.
Also, “it was difficult to watch this game and know that Tim Lincecum is the better pitcher. (But at least, as if to prove the point, he wasn’t last night.)”
He may be the better pitcher this year. But Wain-o has something that he can hold over Lincecum’s head..
Here’s hoping we get to see round 2 of this, maybe Wain-O CG this time. Get a save to close a Series, and get a W to close a series. That would HAVE to be a first. But I digress. Go Cards!
::furiously knocks on wood::
"If you believe in telekinesis, raise my hand."
by tigr on Sep 21, 2009 4:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He may be the better pitcher this year. But Wain-o has something that he can hold over Lincecum’s head.
Everything?
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Sep 21, 2009 6:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the most literal sense, of course.
"If you believe in telekinesis, raise my hand."
by tigr on Sep 21, 2009 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holding a midget at arm's length
That’s enough short jokes, mister! (j/k)
Don't argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. - anon.
by Solanus on Sep 21, 2009 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
couldn't resist...
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Sep 21, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What Was a Double Sestina Too Difficult??
;=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Sep 21, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree Lincecum is the better pitcher.
But that curveball is soooooooo pretty.
And clearly, with SF needing a win down the stretch and Timmy faltering, Lincecum lacks mental toughness (that’s the pitcher equivalent of grit, right?) and Adam already proved he has about 50 kilos of mental toughness by what he did in ’06, so… clearly… Adam > Timmy.
"If I'm in a slump, I ask myself for advice" - Ichiro
by Toppins on Sep 21, 2009 4:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
has anyone scored a date with his curveball yet?
we want details.
other than we know it’ll go from 12-6.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
(editing fail)
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bush league call...
Especially considering that he waited until AFTER the double play wasn’t completed to call it, as if to say “Well, if they don’t turn this then Holliday was too far out of the baseline” — he either is or he isn’t, how the play ends shouldn’t matter. If you’re going to make that call you call it right away and make the ball dead. The run never scores and the inning is over. I also feel the need to point out that the Cubs scored a run on the same type of play earlier in the game, when Boog got taken out trying to throw to first and Pujols couldn’t corral the ball. The Cub player on that play was sliding just as far out of the baseline as Holliday, only he dove back towards the bag at the end of his slide.
A rule is a rule, but when you only call it in game clinching situations and after the team on defense fails to complete a double play, it’s complete bush league umpiring. It’s akin to a basketball official calling a touch foul only after the player misses the layup, as if the end justifies the means.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Sep 21, 2009 8:55 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Agree
I believe Fontenot ran into Ryan on a failed double play attempt. (When their third run scored) It seemed to me he was about as far away from the bag as Holliday. So to me its okay for the Cubs to do it, but not the Cards? My biggest peeve is when they are not consistent.
"It is easy to be brave from a safe distance." - Aesop
by OKCardsfan on Sep 21, 2009 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My biggest pet-peeve
is to make a call that never gets called to decide a game, as if that’s the only time it’s important to call it. Seriously — I’ve been watching baseball for a lot of years, and that play rarely gets called (maybe once or twice that I can remember) and then it gets called last night on the play that should have won the game for the Cardinals.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Sep 21, 2009 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
IMO, unfortunately
Fontenot was not nearly as far away from the bag. I remember thinking on the first replay that he was too far, then on the 2nd that he might have been able to reach the bag.
This just goes back to the point I often make: the sooner umps are eliminated from baseball, the better off baseball will be.
by sdrone on Sep 21, 2009 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was only able to reach the bag
because he threw himself back in the direction of the bag after his slide and was able to work his way to the back corner. If you call one, you have to call the other, especially since they both had the same results on the game.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Sep 21, 2009 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holliday wouldn;t have been able to reach back over, though.
He was incredibly far away from the bag. I though it was a pretty easy call.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 21, 2009 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he wasn't that far away
i listened on the radio and was just now able to see it. that’s nothing that doesn’t happen every day and go unnoticed
bullshit, blue
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Sep 21, 2009 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree to disagree apparently.
He has way too far away to touch the bag.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 21, 2009 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fontenot slid sideways..with his feet out and reaching at the bag...
Fontenot equals good slide..I hated the effect of it but it was good.. Holliday I loved the intention, but he should’ve slid sideways like Fonentenot when he went down..he may’ve been able to touch if he dove for the bag and it would’ve been less obvious.
by ADMDrayson on Sep 21, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, the problem I saw,
was that he wasn’t even reaching over for the base to sell it.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Sep 21, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holliday is how tall?
He could have layed down pointed toward the bag and stretched out his arm and still now have reached the bag. Heh.
by sdrone on Sep 21, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why can't...
they line out the basepaths so we cud all SEE when someone goes outside them or not?
:=8/
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Sep 21, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if this is serious
how often would they have to re-line it? between groundballs, baserunners, and the between innings drags, I don’t see how this is conceivable.
Mizzou 37 - Illinois 9
by STLRegalia on Sep 21, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty sure the baserunner makes his own baseline according to the rules.
Something like, he runs in a line, but if he moves laterally more than 3 feet from that line then he has deviated from his baseline.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Sep 21, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I recall too
without looking up the rule and interpretation
Run Vince run! There's a tarp chasing you! Run! It's right behind you!
by TBender on Sep 21, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, I think we all looked it up during the Venable fit
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Instead of Chalk...
..we cud use colored concrete, and mine the areas outside the paths to discourage wandering feet…
;=8)
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Sep 21, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boog really would be throwing from his knees....
:(
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bush league call?
He was practically 20’ away from the base.
Hey, I didn’t like the call but after the replay I had to roll my eyes. It was pretty obvious.
by sdrone on Sep 21, 2009 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then why wasn't it called immediately?
That’s my problem — if it was so egregious that it has to be called, then call it immediately and stop play. I have no problem if that’s what happened, but that isn’t what happened in this instance. True, he wasn’t close to the base, but that happens all the time and is never called.
20’ is a bit of a stretch — I do believe that he was maybe a foot farther out than Fontenot was, only he didn’t dive back towards the bag to make it look like he was sliding for the base…
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Sep 21, 2009 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was the right call.
Holliday was incredibly far outside the basepath and went after the fielder like a heat-seaking missile. I appreciate that he did this and all, but it was an egregious violation of the rule that basically necessitates the umpire making the call. It was so bad that I almost feel like the umpire’s inner-monologue went something like, “Well, we never call that, but my goodness the baserunner dove a good five feet away from the bag. He’s forced my hand. I must make the call.”
I can’t speak to the timing of the call. I don’t know if the umpire made it on-time or late.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 21, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Replays clearly showed him
not doing anything until long after the play was over. He was standing behind Theriot throwing the ball and made no signal at all until Lee missed the tag and the runner was called safe at first. If the call is going to be made you make it and stop play. Period.
I know it’s the correct interpretation of the rules, but the problem is that this rule rarely ever gets called during the course of play, yet it was called here in a high leverage situation that cost a team a win. Essentially, it’s similar to having a pitcher who balks all the time, or comes close to balking all the time, only you only call it when the bases are loaded with 2 outs in the ninth and the ball game is tied. It’s a judgment call that shouldn’t have been made at this time — do you think that Lou is going out there to argue that Holliday was out of the baseline if the doesn’t call it? I highly doubt that, because Lou understands that’s how the game is played.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Sep 21, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
do you think that Lou is going out there to argue that Holliday was out of the baseline if the doesn’t call it?
probably, since both of his middle infielders were screaming about it.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 21, 2009 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Replays clearly showed him
not doing anything until long after the play was over.
I don’t see why it matters. If the double play is made, both runners are out. If the umpire calls the interference, it’s a dead ball and both runners should be called out. Surely the result is the same?
I think we’re quibbling over nothing here, really. Seems it was a pretty reasonable call. Might’ve been annoying at the time that the umpire was a bit late on it, but these things happen – at least they got it right.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Sep 21, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It does matter
For a lot of reasons:
- Theriot could have been hurt on a play that didn’t need to be made
- Both Lee and Ludwick could have been injured on the play at 1B (see Rolen, Scott on "Injuries made by bad throws to first base).
- It’s setting the precedent that the only reason to call it is if the player doesn’t complete the double play, which is not what the rule states.
Had he run out there with both arms up signaling a dead ball, I would have no problem with this call — he was clearly out of the baseline and attempting to interfere with the player trying to turn 2. But that’s not what happened — shit, Pujols had run all the way across the diamond from third base before he even made the call! You could see him walking in from the second base bag long after the play was over and making it then. If it was so egregious, it should have been called right away and that is that.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Sep 21, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
link to replay
the ump isn’t in any replay I’ve seen until after the celebration. He gets cut out of the picture in the mlb.com video.
As far as stopping play, the game ended two seconds after the slide. What was left to stop?
by ubeddie on Sep 21, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The "timing" of the call...
Ideally, the umpire (any umpire) makes that “out of the baseline” call immediately… it’s a dead ball, which means the ump should raise both hands in the “time-out” signal, and holler “DEAD BALL, BOTH RUNNERS ARE OUT!!!”
Now, whether the ump could have been heard in that situation is problematic; but I thought he made his call “late”; after Ludwick reached 1st. The first-base umpire obviously couldn’t hear his partner — since he called Luddy safe on the missed tag at first!
"In this game, don't nobody know nuthin' about nuthin'." -- attributed to Lawrence Peter "Yogi" Berra
by The Ol Goaler on Sep 21, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was a good call
but they missed the Fontenot one. All I’m saying is that they need to be consistent with their calling.
"It is easy to be brave from a safe distance." - Aesop
by OKCardsfan on Sep 21, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how much taller is Holliday than Fontenot?
and I’m surprised Holliday didn’t get tossed when he threw his helmet in the direction of the umpire. (part of me wished he would have hit him, but I had also just got done watching a good day of football)
Mizzou 37 - Illinois 9
by STLRegalia on Sep 21, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
I’m pretty sure the ump had his back turned otherwise Holliday would have got run. I don’t think he intended to hit him, but it looked awfully suspicious.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 21, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
'cause umpires are idiots
Period. Worthless.
by sdrone on Sep 21, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Call timing
That pretty small beer, IMHO. In fact, I think it’s pretty much SOP to make the call after the fact, and I say that as a former high school umpire. FWIW, which isn’t much.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Sep 21, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong.
In fact, I think it’s pretty much SOP to make the call after the fact, and I say that as a former high school umpire.
As a HS and Division III Umpire, that is incorrect.
The rule clearly states that if a player is ruled out of the baseline he is declared out immediately and the ball is dead. You see this on bunters running to first on the inside of the line If the runner is inside the baseline and the catcher attempts to make the play, the home plate umpire will immediately signal a dead ball and declare the runner out for being out of the baseline.
From the timing it seems like he didn’t want to make that call unless the double play wasn’t completed — the old “the end justifies the means” call, which is complete bush league and shouldn’t be tolerated from professional umpires.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Sep 21, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which rule?
What rulebook and rule are you referencing, fourstick? I ask because the MLB rulebook (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/downloads/y2008/official_rules/07_the_runner.pdf) doesn’t appear to require immediately ruling the ball dead in a double play interference situation, and you are referencing a situation where the runner (actually a ’’batter-runner" in MLB rulebook parlance) is called out for himself running out of the baseline to first.
The MLB Rulebook is about as clear as mud, but I think the applicable rule is 7.09(e) (on pg. 70 at the link above). At first glance, it would appear that 7.09(f) or (g) are the applicable rules, but if you look closely, those appear to give the umpires the ability to call two outs when the runner interferes with a batted ball that would have a chance to become a double play, and only a batted ball. In none of those rules does it declare that the umpire must make the call immediately.
In any event, even if the rules say that somewhere and I am unable to find the reference, it appears to me from observation that the timing is a procedural rule that is rarely followed, which was my point.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Sep 21, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
regardless of how it was called, it WAS the right call. Holliday would need a bat to be able to touch the base from where he was. He knew it too (hence the non-argue and mild Tony).
"The baseball gods are waiting to see if any part of the ballclub disrespects them," La Russa said. "And if we do, they'll slap us hard."
by BVHeck on Sep 21, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he did look plenty pissed off though(Holliday)
Mizzou 37 - Illinois 9
by STLRegalia on Sep 21, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was rolling his eyes
I got the impression he knew he screwed up.
by sdrone on Sep 21, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he screwed up...
there’s almost no chance of the Cubs not turning the DP there. He took the chance that the ump wouldn’t make the call. IMO he did the right thing, and so did the ump.
"Don't do anything till I get back!" - Jesus to the Cubs
by cardzfanbub on Sep 21, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's Holliday's thing to nutmeg second basemen
he’s been doing most every game, at least since he’s arrived. If he ought to know better, he also ought to know how to sell it. (And not leave a gaping skid mark on the dirt for the ump to show TLR, lalala….)
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I like about Holliday...
he makes big bucks, but he plays the game hard and plays it the right way.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Sep 21, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
his talent for stuffing his mouth with uncracked sunflower seeds is pretty impressive too.
Professional ballplayers must be the greatest athletes in the world, because they can chew gum and run at the same time. (Wasn’t it Longoria who was blowing a bubble as he slid home on a close play?)
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
or whatever kind of seeds they are, I keep saying 'sunflower' and not really checking.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember Tommy Herr turning a DP back in the'80s
Great play, runner sliding into him, etc. Then they showed the slow-mo replay and there’s Herr blowing a big pink bubble as he’s pivoting and throwing. Nice.
by Andyfantastic on Sep 21, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
awesome
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Adam Jones
…was blowing a bubble as he tracked a ball down in right-center earlier this year. That was awesome.
by mojowo11 on Sep 21, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What the HECK does Holliday keep in his back pocket?
I swear they panned to him in the on deck circle and he pulled out an orange flask and took a drink. I thought it had to be a bag of seeds, but it looked like a hard case, and it looked like he took a drink.
by sdrone on Sep 21, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw that too
I think they were seeds.
Boog’s done it too. There are pictures from one game where he has a giant bag in his back pocket while fielding and running.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Liquid Piez?
"Baseball has been good to me since I quit trying to play it." - Whitey Herzog
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Sep 21, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we have a winnar
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
from the looks of that picture
orlando hudson
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on Sep 21, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
of course it was an obvious call
but its not called 90% of the time, no matter how obvious
It was a BS call at that moment…another instance of the ump wanting to make himself part of the game…make the call everytime, or don’t make it at all
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Sep 21, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ump's Intentions
another instance of the ump wanting to make himself part of the game
That’s unfair. We don’t know that to be why he made the call, that he wanted to make SportsCenter or some such show. I thought it was the right play by Holliday and the right call by the umpire.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 21, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really don't think that's unfair actually
Had he acted immediately I would have no issues with it, but it seems that he acted only after the play wasn’t made at 1B, essentially saying that “the end justifies the means”. He deserves to be criticized on that front, and Tony should have argued more vehemently, imo, because the call was not made in a timely fashion.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Sep 21, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Intent
The timing of the play does not, in my opinion, justify the suggestion that the only reason the umpire made the play was because he wanted to make himself part of the game. (Aren’t umpires intrisically a part of the game? But, I digress…) If you have a problem with the timing, that’s fine. Should it have been called immediately? Yeah, it probably should have. However, the lack of immedicacy, to me, does not mean that this is “another instance of the ump wanting to make himself part of the game” and it also does not mean that the call was not the correct call under the rules of baseball.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 21, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem with this defense
is that you fail to note the last part of what Vols said:
make the call everytime, or don’t make it at all
He clearly could have made the same call earlier in the game, yet chose not to. No matter how egregious the violation, a rule is a rule. When you make a judgment call in a situation like that, and especially one that is virtually ignored in today’s game, and you make that call long after the actual play is over, it’s hard to say that you aren’t mugging for camera time. Is it fair to say that’s what his intent was? Probably not. Does it seem a little suspicious that the call was only made after both Cubs infielders bitched about it and the winning run had already scored? Yes, it does.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Sep 21, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the Ryan throw?
I don’t think that slide violated the rule.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 21, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look...
What happens if the play would have ended up in a double play? Then there is no absolute reason to call the interference as it would have solved itself out. Think about it from an umpire’s perspective. You amke the call immediately and you will definitely get some arguing and yelling and name-calling from the Cardinals’ bench, as well as some nasty booing from the Cardinal crowd. If you let the play run and the double play is turned, no harm is done and the umpire saves himself some trouble.
Now, when the double play is not completed due to a clear interference by Legoman, it is the umpire’s responsibilty to make the call. It is not a matter of timing and being a factor in the outcome of the game. It is rather a “let’s see what happens” decision which happens in several sports. For example, holdings happen in almost every play in football. However, when a lineman’s holding plays a decisive factor in the outcome of the play, flags will fly. Otherwise, play continues…
I want the Walrus back...
by Paulspike on Sep 21, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait, I'm missing something
90% of the team was on the field because the call didn’t come right away. Right? If this had been the Red Sox, Youk would’ve punched someone and thrown a rookie at an umpire.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Youk IS a strong man...
I want the Walrus back...
by Paulspike on Sep 21, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he'd be DL'd for back problems the next day, of course.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's ok
The team would cancel their next three games to attend the funeral services for the rookie thrown at the umo
I want the Walrus back...
by Paulspike on Sep 21, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it would be a somber service
wondering why the umpire wouldn’t die, and that one day the rook’s sacrifice will not be in vain
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let the Rook rest in peace
Oh, the umpire dodged the rookie and the latter went by and hit the CF wall
I repeat, Youk is a strong guy
I want the Walrus back...
by Paulspike on Sep 21, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they don't call it the Monster for nothing
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, uh, why are we all assuming the call wasn't made right away?
I just watched all the replays, and the second base ump is out of the frame in every shot. He may very well have called it right away. There’s no way of knowing. It’s a little unfair to just assume he was watching the play to first before calling it.
Personally, I think it was the right call, and I think Holliday was pretty egregiously far from the base. I don’t blame the ump at all — nor Holliday for pushing the issue on a game-deciding play.
by mojowo11 on Sep 21, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And also
Saying Theriot did the same thing earlier is wrong, his slide was legal. The rule is that you have to be able to reach the bag on your slide. Theriot was clearly within reach:
The umps got that one right. It wasn’t selective rule enforcement. Theriot’s slide was legal. Holliday’s wasn’t.
by mojowo11 on Sep 21, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, that's Hoffpauir
And here’s a picture of him touching second on the slide.
by mojowo11 on Sep 21, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That slide is legal?
Not by the definition of the rule it’s not. He clearly slid at the player and then dove back for the bag, and your pictures prove it. The pic below clearly shows him scrambling and crawling back to the bag. I would venture to say that if you put the stills of Holliday’s slide up there it’s going to be very close to where Hoffpauir is sliding in that picture — Holliday might be 6-12 inches wider.
FYI, on the wide angle shot you can see the umpire right after Holliday’s slide and he doesn’t put his hands in the air, and his hands aren’t in the air signaling a dead ball until AFTER you hear Jon say “Wait a minute…” on the broadcast, when he has already called the Cardinal victory. It was clearly a late call by the umpire.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Sep 21, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The wide shot of Theriot's slide,
I think, shows it as within the rule. He is just finishing him slide and within arm’s reach of the bag.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 21, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My understanding of the rule is
It doesn’t matter whether you slide at the player. I mean, of course he slid at the player. That’s the idea. And that’s fine, provided you can also reach the bag. He didn’t crawl back to the bag, he slid with his arm out and his hand hit the bag. He didn’t go sliding way past the bag, either. I’ve got the play on my screen, it’s at 1:43 in the MLB.tv broadcast, if you have that. The fact of the matter is that even if Holliday is only 6-12 inches wider, he’s too far — Hoffpauir just barely was able to reach the bag, add 6-12 inches and he’s not anymore. And Hoff isn’t exactly a small guy.
I’d want to see the wide angle shot before making any judgments on the ump’s call. (Anyone have that? Or know where I can find it in the MLB.tv broadcast?) For reference, however, when he was calling Hoffpauir out at second on the botched DP in the 6th, he immediately signaled the out as the play was made. So if he did anything but that with Holliday’s slide, it’s probably because he was going to make the interference call.
by mojowo11 on Sep 21, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your understanding of the rule is wrong
See my post later in the thread — it’s a murky situation because the rule is not called as it is described in the book 99.9% of the time.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Sep 21, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I can end the argument.
It’s Bud Selig’s fault.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 21, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can you expand that to also blame Scott Boras and the Players' Union?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Sep 21, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Denkinger?
Run Vince run! There's a tarp chasing you! Run! It's right behind you!
by TBender on Sep 21, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Done and done.
It’s Bud Selig’s fault [for allowing the Players’ Union to successfully achieve free agency and for the Scott Borases of the world to drive up player salaries, meaning only a handful of teams can sign top notch free agents who can slide into second illegally under Selig’s so-called “rules.”]
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 21, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The MLB way of calling it
And every ex-player says it, is that if you can reach the bag it doesn’t matter.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Sep 21, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I guess this is one of those cases of a "rule" vs. a rule
Not that I approve of that, mind you — the rulebook should reflect the actual rules. But, for what it’s worth, that’s the way it’s played. It’s even played that way in college — my team had that called on us a few years back.
At this point, this becomes an argument about rules vs. unwritten rules, which is an entirely different one. Your POV certainly makes a whole lot of sense, though.
by mojowo11 on Sep 21, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oops, reply fail
Shoulda been to fourstick’s comment above.
by mojowo11 on Sep 21, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i've been watching baseball for 32 years & i can count on one hand how many times i've seen that play called
it was a bush league & flat out team favoritism call. MLB & the WWL hate to have their favorite teams look bad on national TV. they couldn’t let the flubs loose three straight games on walk offs, so they stopped it. that’s my story & i’m sticking to it. Good Old Bud is as dirty as they come & he’ll do anything “for the greater good of the game.” just as long as the greater good means larger market teams are successful.
and i dont get two shits it was the right call. that’s not the fucking point. the point is, it’s never EVAR called. i watch a ton of baseball, not just the Cardinals so when i say it’s never called, you can take it to the bank. the umps should have stayed out of it, but they couldn’t because that would be “bad” for the game. if you’re not going to make that call in the top of the 3rd inning, you damn well better never make that call in the bottom of the 9th. bring on the robot umps, because the humans are crooked & flawed.
and hell yes i’m biased. but at least i have the cojones to admit it, unlike Good Old Bud & the WWL.
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by gdm426 on Sep 21, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the teams were reversed and D Lee slid that far out of the baseline to take out Boog on the last play to win the game
would you be cool with a no call?
(I still don’t see how people can be upset with the call. I know it’s not always called, but the runner isn’t normally that far away, either. He wasn’t fucking close to the bag!)
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 21, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hell no, i'm biased remember. but no more than Bud or the WWL
but if the Cards got away with one earlier in the game, i’d have to eat some shut it stew & face the facts it’s never called. would i still be pissed? hellz yes. but fair is fair & last night was no where near fair.
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by gdm426 on Sep 21, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We clearly established The Hoff
was a hell of a lot closer to the bag than Holliday.
I was amazed watching it Holliday even tried. Ballsy, and in a do or die time I love it, but it wasn’t going to work.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 21, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
blasphemy! only Jarrett is The Hoff
Micah is the other one.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure he was closer, but the fact is, he still could have been called out
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by gdm426 on Sep 21, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He touched the bag!
That’s what you’re supposed to do!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 21, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i know!
but only after he tried the take out slide. if only Lego would have made a move for the bag this would all be a moot point.
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by gdm426 on Sep 21, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or if he had go go gadget arms
since he was six feet from the damn base!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 21, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he actually does. they're just made of lego.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HOLY FUCKING SHIT
what were those little plastic lego-ish toys we used to have that expand and contract like accordions called?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 21, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's probably in the lego technic or teknik or whatever line
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No they were much more generic and crappy
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 21, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree Fritz
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Sep 21, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
mlb.tv archive video
watching the archive version, there is a replay that shows the ump calling it about 5 seconds before the camera gets to him. Also if you watch the mlb.com video there is one shot of Tony staring out from the dugout while the team is celebrating. I believe he is seeing the discussion going on between the ump, Holliday, and whoever the Cubs MIF were.
IMO, the ump couldn’t have called it to quicker to create the Dead Ball scenario. ESPN should have been able to replay exactly what the ump did instead of missing the action.
by ubeddie on Sep 21, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even though Ludwick didn't come through last night
he’s having himself a nice little season for all his earlier struggles.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 21, 2009 9:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He had a nice hit in the first inning.
And, if Fukudome doesn’t make a very nice catch, it was a two-RBI double. Nonetheless, Fukudome did make the catch and Ludwick did wind up 0-fer-5 with 8 LOB. He is having a nice season, too, but, as Joe Morgan reminded us last night, only by getting to 100 RBIs will it be a good season. (I’m paraphrasing.)
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 21, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I loved how when they were talking about the 100 RBI mark
They were like yeah it’s weird that about 5-6 years ago everyone had 30HR and 100RBI. Yeah that’s so weird Joe how did that happen?
(Insert Your Own Joke)
by AWolfAtTheDoor on Sep 21, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In (F)JM's defense,
(and I am suprised to be typing this), it was my impression that there was a wink and a nod when he was saying “for whatever reason” in regards to the 120-RBI totals that were so commonplace. What I took away from that interaction was that, since PED use has reportedly gone down, so has RBI totals, and that 100 RBIs is again an impressive milestone for hitters (if you, like the ESPN Sunday Night Baseball crew, believe that RBIs are the true indicator of the quality of a hitter’s season).
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 21, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No I know I wasn't saying JM was an idiot for talking about it like he was
I just think it’s funny anytime sportswriters or announcers talk about PEDs without talking about them.
(Insert Your Own Joke)
by AWolfAtTheDoor on Sep 21, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is silly.
Why not just say it outright that in the post-PED era, 100 RBIs is an impressive total, just like 30 HRs in an impressive total again.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 21, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
for a very good reason
It’ll lead into a nationally televised conversation about morality and ethics with Joe Morgan and Steve Phillips.
Nothing good can come of that.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just imagining that is painful.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Sep 21, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question:
A complete hypothetical. GOB-willing, you’ll never face such a decision in your lives. It’s an either/or proposition:
1) Morgan and Phillips discussing morality and ethics; or
2) Morgan and Phillips discussing baseball for three to five hours every Sunday night of the baseball season?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 21, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't be any worse
than the televising of all these people in the “town-hall” meetings that we’ve been seeing lately. I’m with Bill Engvall — crazy and stupid people should have to wear signs…
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Sep 21, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I say we let Morgan and Phillips
decide what the definition of crazy and stupid is. That would be must-see tv.
(Insert Your Own Joke)
by AWolfAtTheDoor on Sep 21, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
[weeps]
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I tried, Dan, I really tried...
but I can’t figure out how to rec this post any harder than I already have. Forgive me.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Sep 21, 2009 10:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought at first he hadn't finished the envoy
Now it’s my favorite part. Brilliant.
by bobeans on Sep 21, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sidebar
says that the Pirates are interested in Ankiel next year, saying they love his athleticism despite his awful numbers. Perhaps this is why the Pirates continue to be the Pirates?
by saladdays on Sep 21, 2009 10:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
thats hilarious
"The baseball gods are waiting to see if any part of the ballclub disrespects them," La Russa said. "And if we do, they'll slap us hard."
by BVHeck on Sep 21, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's the most beautiful park in the league...
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they presumably also love the fact he'll probably cost <$1m.
That’s kind of akin to saying they love Odalis Perez for his gritty chubbiness.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Sep 21, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it could be good for ank
Positronic Upgraded Juggernaut Optimized for Logical Sabotage
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 21, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Sep 21, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather Ank go further away.
Seattle would be a good fit, IMO.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Sep 21, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about Japan?
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsh on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 21, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The 1980s references during the broadcast
ESPN displayed a wonderful statistical tidbit, worthy of 10@10, that Geovany Soto’s .221 BA would be the lowest in history for a reigning NL Rookie of the Year, breaking Vince Coleman’s .232 BA in 1986. All I can say is, “Thanks, Geo” for taking this dubious distinction off the shoulders of Vincent Van Gogh and the Cardinal franchise and bestowing where it in Wrigleyville.
This alone merits mention here today. However, Joe Morgan followed that graphic by saying that Cardinals fans would remember that because after the Cardinals won it all in 1985, the whole team slumped in 1986. Of course, we did not win the 1985 World Series. The camera crew—probably unknowingly, but I like to think knowingly—visually rebutted (F)JM’s statement by showing the top of the visitor’s dugout with the Cardinals NL pennants on the top of it and then the World Series Championship flags above the scoreboard later on. It’s not unsuprirising, but it is unacceptable, that (F)JM would not know about the most infamous umpiring call in Cardinals franchise history, if not recent World Series history. Then, bringing the whole night full circle, we have another bit of umpiring controversy at the end of regulation.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 21, 2009 10:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's always an adventure.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Sep 21, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just remembered,
when they were talking about Ankiel and (F)JM said that he was the key to our postseason lineup being complete and that TLR needed Ankiel’s defense. It was just mind-boggling. Then, of course, Miller comes in and says that Rasmus has done a wonderful job and the only reason that Ankiel was starting was because TLR likes to keep everyone involved.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 21, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good job by Miller there
I couldn’t believe Morgan’s comments were about Ank either. “You’d like to keep him in there for the defense”.
by OCCardsFan on Sep 21, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry, I'm still stuck on
Morgan inventing a way of throwing a baseball backhand.
by sdrone on Sep 21, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was classic.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Sep 21, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
still, i hate that guy with a fiery passion of a billion suns
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by gdm426 on Sep 21, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
to be fair
Miller pretty much MADE him say that he invented it after asking him 4 times in 12 seconds.
by stlfan on Sep 21, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That had to be intentional on the camera crew's part.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Sep 21, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
our Guys in the Truck have done it to Al
it’s great
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a lot of respect for Jon Miller at moments like that. How is he able to restrain himself? I would be like what are you talking about idiot? The Cardinals did not win the WS in 85 you need to stop talking right now.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Sep 21, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
his professionalism is off the charts and he adds so much to the telecast. it’s shocking that he’s able to maintain his level of banter.
i wonder how many play by play duos don’t get along or worked together a long time despite clear differences?
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by airhad on Sep 21, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not sure where to reply with this
but was it Morgan or Phillips, after a HBP, that said he hated when catchers stood up for a high pitch, and then in the reply Soto was crouched just the same?
Mizzou 37 - Illinois 9
by STLRegalia on Sep 21, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Morgan, I think
“well it must have been before this.”
seriously, I should send in my resume. “Lazy dad who doesn’t like to travel but uses internet effectively would like to jack up the intelligence factor on your show by 700%. Can also lie about baseball career. Not that I’m saying anything. I’m just sayin; I invented kicking the baseball to the relay guy.”
by sdrone on Sep 21, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you Paul O'Neill?
You must have some great quotes about Piniella.
Don't argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. - anon.
by Solanus on Sep 21, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jon Miller said that the Cards won it all in 85
Not Joe Morgan.
by Youneverknow on Sep 21, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember Joe Morgan saying it. Maybe I’m remembering it wrong but that’s how I remember it.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Sep 21, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously everybody else remembers it that way, too
But I was struck by the remark, too, and noted that Miller had said it.
Cue the tape. It wouldn’t be the first time I was wrong. I bet there are at least a couple other instances in my life.
by Youneverknow on Sep 21, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I usually don’t pay much attention to the ESPN announcers except as background noise and if they say something incredibly dumb. I wasn’t at all interested in what they were saying surrounding the 85 comment so I kind of glossed over it. I heard it and thought it was Morgan talking though. I don’t have it taped or recorded though so I can’t prove anything.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Sep 21, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember a give-and-take between Morgan leading up to the discussion.
It could have been Miller. I remember it being Morgan, but am not at all certain.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 21, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
again, before anyone else gets snippy at me, I hope the Angels win
against the umpires. It’ll be fitting if MLB screws that up in front of a national audience, but it best not cost any team their ring.
How many games in this homestand would be ours if not for the umpiring?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 10:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if we're going to get screwed out of a game or two
I’d rather it was a fairly meaningless mid-september game than one in the middle of a close pennant race.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Sep 21, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
all year long
Certain crews have been making weird calls. I almost wanna say “most of them”. It’s to the point where I’m looking forward to Tim McClelland’s crew, and that’s just not right.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't mean to be snippy, if you are referring to me.
I generally find McClelland’s crew to be pretty decent. Aren’t they normally calling playoff series?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 21, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a giant-sized googled gift in response to a serious news item... tends to make one suspicious, is all.
No biggie.
Eh, tiny strike zones and delayed calls give me hives. It’s a thing. (Probably should’ve invoked Angel Hernandez somehow, but I couldn’t come up with any working hyperbole. Other than saying “Angel Hernandez.”)
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did they officially protest that game?
I hadn’t heard that…
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Sep 21, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure how to describe the whole thing without tl;dr
http://news.google.com/news?q=angels+umpires
Last thing I heard, it had all gone hush-hush.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
as much as I am still worried about the same two things -- offense and injuries ...
Our middle infield had a grand mal* last night. Boog didn’t get in step until he started throwing from his knees, and I shudder to think what Skip is doing to self-flagellate… (It’s almost like a boisterous on-field celebration rung their bells… hehehehe.)
It makes Molinas sad.
At least Albert wasn’t killed.
* Obsolete medical term ftw.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 10:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Conniptions
Manic depressive
Vapors
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Sep 21, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always liked "consumption"
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ooh, that is good.
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Sep 21, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Regardless of statistical accomplishments
Like getting 20 wins or 100 RBI i’m pretty giddy with how Waino has clearly improved and progressed. I can’t help but think long term and wonder:
What needs to happen now to help ensure he continues to pitch this well in the future?
How do we keep him healthy?
I just have these memories of Matt Morris’ decline and too many pitching injuries to count.
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by airhad on Sep 21, 2009 11:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
encase his middle finger in cryogenic fluid
and send a spotter with him on the golf course.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
his shoulder hyperabduction scares me
but i’ll cross that bridge when he comes to it
How good is Waino’s contract….It looks absolutely brillinant right now…Mo did that, right?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Sep 21, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the contract IS brilliant
has it paid for itself yet? Gotta be close.
Who are Waino’s best comps when it comes to build and pitching motion? Can that help with any health guesses?
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by airhad on Sep 21, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
slightly OT, reading an old thread and recalled that Jason Motte
has a detachable shoulder.
and he can’t see.
and he throws 98 mph (even on a golf course).
Why are teams not terrified of this man???
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he needs to bean the mascot.
"There is not a better feeling in the whole world than knowing that you are the best team in both leagues."- Bob Forsh on winning the 1982 World Series.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 21, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yadi:
“I don’t know where it’s going.”
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 21, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yadi to hitter:
(shaking out his stinging glove)
“He’s a nice guy. For real. He hasn’t beaned anybody. Yet.”
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Batter: "This guy's crazy!"
Crash: “Yup, I wouldn’t dig in there too much…”
Batter: (Bewildered)
Crash: “I don’t know where it’s going to go….”
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Sep 21, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is even funnier to imagine,
after Motte beans Fredbird in the head as Fredbird slings shirts into the crowd from atop the visitor’s dugout.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 21, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs are lollygaggers
they lollygag their way to the infield…
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by airhad on Sep 21, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Put Some...
…coke bottle glasses on him, and VOILAAAAH!
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Sep 21, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In free agent dollars yes
But in reality not just yet. It’s kind of become a peeve of mine when it’s said pre-arb/arb guys “pay” for their contracts by being measured at the free agent cost of 4.5M/Win. The only reason free agents get paid at 4.5M/Win is because of the jacked up salary structure that allows for essentially free players to be contributing. This is why building through FA is so hard unless you’re the Yankees—-you’re necessarily paying more per marginal win than a player is actually worth (for wins like 45-88. A FA can obviously make sense because of the increase in playoff odds→playoff money).
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Sep 21, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting
and in retrospect I’m not even sure what I meant by “paid for itself” – you could drill down and look for ROI based on marginal increased tickets, parking and concessions sold when he pitches vs when others pitch, how his jerseys and other merchandise sell vs other players, etc etc to get a full picture of his contract’s ROI.
Point being: if the unthinkable were to happen and he misses a season, what’s his contribution so far been worth?
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by airhad on Sep 21, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the most simple way to put it
Is that it would cost way more to sign him to a 2 year extension after this year than the 4.65M/6.5M. We’d probably be looking at like 10M/12M in arb awards at least and then he’d be a FA but we get the options for 9M/12M instead of like 20.
With no actual research to back it up, I would think that all these pre-arb contracts (except for Longoria’s joke) pay roughly the expected value of what a guy would earn through arbitration accounting for injury risk and whatnot, but the gain a team gets from signing them is the option years at the end. Those options are win-wins, if the guy isn’t worth it well you decline and aren’t hurt and if he’s worth more than the option then you pick up a discounted player on a year to year basis. Obviously the benefit for the player is the financial security for life regardless of injury.
What I can’t for the life of me figure out is why more players don’t do the Cole Hamels by splitting the difference and sign for a little less than their arbitration expected value and forget the cheap options. Financial security and still the shot for the huge FA payday: team gets a discount on what it would have to pay, everyone wins. What’s so complicated? At the very least make the options worth a big time FA deal.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Sep 21, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like this method
because like you say, it is simple and (at least as importantly) it seems to work.
You’re right about options. Team options are one way in favor of the team. Player options are one way in favor of the player.
Cole Hamels situation is interesting. I’ll post a fresh question regarding this as a new thread.
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by airhad on Sep 21, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fuck
and I say that emphatically.
In all the hubbub I didn’t even notice. Lohse goes for the Cards. And it’s going to be Wandy tonight.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 11:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A recipe for disaster.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 21, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the left-handed Lincecum?
oh no!
Mizzou 37 - Illinois 9
by STLRegalia on Sep 21, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
worse
Wandy’s been ON.
Last 3 starts: 1.35 ERA
20 innings
21 Ks
4 BBs
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by airhad on Sep 21, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but pujols, holliday, and ludwick all hit lefties well
so we’ll be fine
/tony
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Sep 21, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't forget Lugo!
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by airhad on Sep 21, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So I get to see Wandymania tonight...
play “Baffle the Birds.”
And against Lohse.
I am so lucky.
Run Vince run! There's a tarp chasing you! Run! It's right behind you!
by TBender on Sep 21, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Completely OT,
but I’m sure some of you need to haz a sad.
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Sep 21, 2009 11:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I know of his band
but other than that haven’t heard of either of them. maybe I need to get out more.
Mizzou 37 - Illinois 9
by STLRegalia on Sep 21, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always liked the other sister better.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
Had no idea those two were sisters. Hate “Bones” though.
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by azruavatar on Sep 21, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zoeeeeey always looks like she has dead eyes. like those creepy dolls.
Emily at least has some emotion back there.
I’m just speaking aesthetically, I don’t know what else they’re into.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I totally agree.
Was watching a movie with Zooey in it one time and my wife said that she was pretty, and I added “for a zombie.”
Dead eyes.
"If I'm in a slump, I ask myself for advice" - Ichiro
by Toppins on Sep 21, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
at first I thought it was just the eye color
but her sister is right there and she can manage basic human emotions. freaky.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zooey's new movie is pretty good
500 Days of Summer
by FlimtotheFlam on Sep 21, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate hipsters
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Sep 21, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
oh zoey
how sad
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Sep 21, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to that photo
she’s marrying a child molester from the late 70’s.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Sep 21, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we can't really talk, with the team pictures from mid-July...
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dang it that's how baseball players are supposed to look!
As a funny aside: I was at my parents’ house a lot during the weekend, and they have the MLB Network. They were showing some games from the 1980 NLCS between the Phillies and the Astros. It was totally awesome. This series featured such names as Nolan Ryan, Joe Morgan, Pete Rose, Steve Carlton, Tug McGraw, MIke Schmidt, Greg Luzinski, Back McBride, Jose Cruz, Joe Niekro, Ken Forsch, Joaquin Andujar, the one and only Luis Pujols, and more. Everybody looked totally awesome in an ugly late-seventies/early-eighties sort of way. The Astros’ uniforms were still that god-awful striped pull-over, and the Phillies’ uniforms were a powder-blue maroon combo with zippers. It was so cool.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Sep 21, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have really been spoiled by the MLB Network
I watched Baseball Tonight last night for the first time since last season and I had forgotten how god-awful (and biased) it was.
Is anyone else convinced Hazel Mae is drunk 24/7? She puts on a good broadcast, but I’m fairly certain she’s pretty well soused.
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
"POOL TEMPERATURES FUCK YEAH"--tgreenfield, The September 10th-11th VEB Off-Topic Explosion
by andi_k on Sep 21, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Watching her in Boston for 4-5 years
She never struck me as drunk, but she always reminded me of the female Gremlin in “Gremlins 2”.
BTW, does anyone know if she ever married the minor league player for Toronto she was engaged to?
by olddomination on Sep 21, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wiki says she's not married.
Also, I didn’t know she was 40. She looks good! (for a gremlin)
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
"POOL TEMPERATURES FUCK YEAH"--tgreenfield, The September 10th-11th VEB Off-Topic Explosion
by andi_k on Sep 21, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I kid. I actually do like Hazel Mae
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
"POOL TEMPERATURES FUCK YEAH"--tgreenfield, The September 10th-11th VEB Off-Topic Explosion
by andi_k on Sep 21, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
DCC is a good band!
:=8P
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Sep 21, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ugh
So, so tired of them. They’re everywhere out here in Portland and they just don’t do it for me at all. Just my opinion though.
by mattisnotfrench on Sep 21, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Try Living...
…in Virginia, and getting nothing but Hank Williams Jr Jr….
:=8P
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Sep 23, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The sad part...
is that he’s known for being in a band that plays worse music than the band his wife is in, and she’s known for being a movie star. I don’t see that going to well around the house…
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Sep 21, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
She's an actress, therefore untouchable but perfectly available for personal fantasy
A guy can still have a crush an unapproachable woman, as long as he faces the reality that there could never be anything serious between them.
I do have a soft spot for her. The Hitchhiker’s Guide To The Galaxy is a great flick.
Don't argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. - anon.
by Solanus on Sep 21, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know what I'm going to say it I love Death Cab
Screw the haters!
(Insert Your Own Joke)
by AWolfAtTheDoor on Sep 21, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aw.
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Sep 21, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go away Ben Gibbard.
I don’t want to hear anything from you until you bring me a new Postal Service record. Don’t care about your marriage, or the crappy indie band you made your name with. There’s only one thing I want from you, and I want it now.
And Zooey Deschanel isn’t nearly as attractive as everyone seems to consider her, in my ever so humble opinion.
I cut the sleeves off because it looks awesome. Now get your head in the game!
by the red baron on Sep 21, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wouldn't kick her out of bed
but nothing about her makes me stop to look at her.
Mizzou 37 - Illinois 9
by STLRegalia on Sep 21, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
I thought I remembered a Zooey gush-fest on VEB. I must be mistaken.
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Sep 21, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't remember that
But I think she’s great
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Sep 21, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would rephrase that if I were you.
“Zooey gush-fest” sounds like something you would have to pay extra for.
Just saying.
I cut the sleeves off because it looks awesome. Now get your head in the game!
by the red baron on Sep 21, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I'm pretty sure I phrased it properly.
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Sep 21, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't the new one supposed to come out in like...1983?
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Sep 21, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
February of '09.
I don’t understand what’s holding it up. That Owl City kid put together a whole album of bad Postal Service covers in like a week. Plus, I’m pretty sure Jimmy Tamborello isn’t doing anything else.
I cut the sleeves off because it looks awesome. Now get your head in the game!
by the red baron on Sep 21, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so true
owl city is scene kid garbage compared to dntel’s trinket pop amazingness
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
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by tgreenfield on Sep 21, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i can't rec this sentiment hard enough
"...and pujols has given st louis the lead"
Proud Contributor to the Night of the Longest Train Wreck Ever 9/10-9/11/09
by tgreenfield on Sep 21, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never said that she was extremely attractive
Or that there weren’t several thousand women in entertainment that are better looking. I certainly wouldn’t put her at the top of any significant list in my book. I just find that she’s highly appealing to me, greater than the sum of her parts.
It’s part of the reason why Kaylee gets just as much love (maybe more) than Inara on Firefly/Serenity.
Don't argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. - anon.
by Solanus on Sep 22, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gordo Column
It appears that we have an ally in the “Free Allen Craig” movement. Gordo pens a column geared toward faberge egg enthusiasts, Minor improvements have major impact. My favorite quote:
Craig, who went 12 for 27 for the Cards in spring training earlier this year, could make the team as a utility player.
He is a career .306 minor league hitter who posted a .547 slugging percentage this season. There is a 100 percent chance that Craig could offer more offense than some current Cards.
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"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
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by bgh on Sep 21, 2009 11:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
here!
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
one day, Albert will squeeze all his teammates to death
There’s such a thing as too much love, mang.
(though sometimes it’s really cute.)
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 12:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone else think the rules need to be revised for interference at 2b?
Personally I think the umps calls were good ones last night, but frankly I see the current rules as a bit achronistic. More to the point, I believe the runners should only be allowed to slide in a way that avoids a tag and/or reaches the bag directly. These sideways slides to break up DPs seem rather silly and dangerous to me. Don’t get me wrong I basicaly know and understand the current rules, it is just that I think baseball would benefit from a change in the rules.
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by Zubin on Sep 21, 2009 12:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
NOw you're gonna spend
12 paragraphs defining “slides to the bag directly.”
by sdrone on Sep 21, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
They just need to enforce the rule as it stands, which very few umpires ever do. The rule states:
Rule 7.08(b): Any Runner is out when: He intentionally interferes with a thrown ball; or hinders a fielder attempting to make a play on a batted ball;
Rule 7.08(b) Comment: A runner who is adjudged to have hindered a fielder who is attempting to make a play on a batted ball is out whether it was intentional or not.
If, however, the runner has contact with a legally occupied base when he hinders the fielder, he shall not be called out unless, in the umpire’s judgment, such hindrance, whether it occurs on fair or foul territory, is intentional. If the umpire declares the hindrance intentional, the following penalty shall apply: With less than 2 out the umpire shall declare both the runner and batter out, with 2 out, the umpire shall declare the batter out.
In other words, the rule states that a runner at second has to be making contact with the base at the time he interferes with the fielder. This is clearly not the case in either play last night. Sure, Hoffpauir touched the base, but it was long after he interfered with Ryan’s throw, so he should have been called out as well. The “he must be able to touch the bag” is a bullshit extension of this rule that enables the play that Hoffpauir made to seem legal when it actually is not.
Which enhances my point — if you’re not going to call the rule correctly 99% of the time, then you shouldn’t ever use the rule, period. You can’t ignore the rule all the time and then use it when the outcome effects the win or loss of a game. That’s bush league umpiring and they shouldn’t have that much power over the outcome of a game. Call it the right way all the time, or don’t call it at all. The rule clearly states the intent of the play it clarifies, yet it is ignored nearly all the time.
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by fourstick on Sep 21, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Furthermore
In Hoffpauir’s case, it’s clear that his intent was to break up the double play, not to slide to the bag safely, because he’s already been forced out. Therefore, the batter should have been ruled out and the ball should have been pronounced dead. That’s clearly what the rulebook states here. The runner should only be able to slide on a close play at second, and any attempt to slide after he has been forced out should be interference.
See, things get complicated when you try to address things “by the book”. The rule clearly states how to call this situation, only it is never called that way in practice. So what I’ve been saying all along is true — if you’re going to make that call, you better make that call every damn time the rule book calls for it, and not just in certain instances.
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by fourstick on Sep 21, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What does the commentary on this say?
What’s the name of the book on baseball rules that provides detailed commentary that dictates the interpretation of the rules?
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by bgh on Sep 21, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe if you slide parallel to the 2B to 3B base line
If you stretch out fully I bet Holliday would be like 9 and half to 10 feet long. It would probably work best if you were in mid air for some point. Here is a image I drew to help illustrate my point
by FlimtotheFlam on Sep 21, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
The baseball and mitt are nice touches.
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by bgh on Sep 21, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that Shea Stadium??
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by The MooCow on Sep 21, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Long live Atari 2600 Baseball
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by TBender on Sep 21, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is he lying in a pool of blood?
by thepainguy on Sep 21, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wolves again!
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by TBender on Sep 21, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This rule applies to interfering with the ball...
or hindering the fielder making a play on a “batted ball”. It says nothing about hindering the fielder while making the throw. Is there a separate rule for this?
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by cardzfanbub on Sep 21, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong rule.
I alluded to this above, but I don’t think that 7.08(b) is the right rule (unless the sliding player actually interferes with the thrown ball, which has been known to happen, but didn’t in Holliday’s case) or the fielder is making a play on the batted ball when interfered with.
7.09(e) is the right rule for what happened last night.
by SouthsideCardsFan on Sep 21, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Any batter or runner who has just been put out, or any runner who has just scored, hinders or impedes any following play being made on a runner. Such runner shall be declared out for the interference of his teammate;
Holliday had just been put out and Ludwick was the following play.
by thepainguy on Sep 21, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
F and G directly address double plays, but not this specific situation
In general, the official rules of baseball suck.
by thepainguy on Sep 21, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But was Holliday actually put out?
After watching the replay, I never could tell if the SS had actually touched the bag. Can anyone confirm that there was actually an out there? It would make me feel a little better about the loss.
by Cardfanintherock on Sep 21, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hah, I yelled about Theriot on the first replay
but on later replays yeah, his foot hit the bag.
Now granted, they’ll never call THAT. heh.
by sdrone on Sep 21, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That falls under the (unwritten) "close enough" rule of thumb
by thepainguy on Sep 21, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glad to know he at least touched the bag.
I’d be pissed if we lost because a ref decided to enforce a rare rule while simultaneously also choosing to an unwritten rule that is counter to one of the essential tenets of the game (you have to touch the bag while you have the ball in your possession in order to get someone out). Not sure if that makes sense but it sounds good in my head.
by Cardfanintherock on Sep 21, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That pretty much says the same thing...
as the above rule that I referenced. In fact, this is even more clear cut than 7.08 in this situation.
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by fourstick on Sep 21, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which young players should the Cards lock up?
Joker24 made a great point about locking up young players in a win/win fashion. He used Cole Hamels as an example – this was an offshoot of discussing how nice Waino’s contract looks now. It got me to thinking – should the Cards do the same for any of their young players now? Some cost certainty might be nice for: Rasmus and Boog. No one else really comes to mind other than maybe Perez.
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by airhad on Sep 21, 2009 1:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't see why to lock up Rasmus yet
He will though be a Super Two next year. Ryan also can wait another year
by FlimtotheFlam on Sep 21, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Get them playoff bonuses
Then wait until after next year. heh.
by sdrone on Sep 21, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah except when it's a win-lose...
like in the case of the Diamondbacks and Chris Young:
2009:$1.75M
2010:$3.25M
2011:$5M
2012:$7M
2013:$8.5M
2014:$11M club option ($1.5M buyout)
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by guayzimi on Sep 21, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Other similar disasters...
Ervin Santana: 4/$30 mil signed through 2013
Fausto Carmona: 4/$15 mil through 2011
Bobby Crosby: 5/$13mil through through 2009
Noah Lowry: 4/$9mil through 2009
Bill Hall: 4/$24mil through 2011
These aren’t huge disasters compared to a Zito or Wells signing, but they’re unnecessary. The teams that offered these deals only saved a little money and/or retained the for a year or two into their free agency years. In the case of the Brewers, they paid Bill Hall $6.8 million to suck AND they’re on the hook for most of his $8.4 million next year. If they could add a starter for 2010 to go with Gallardo, they could compete. But they can’t because they mistakenly locked up Bill Hall.
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by guayzimi on Sep 21, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ughhhh....
…please warn us if yer gonna invoke the name of the dreaded (and dreadful) Crosby! Bing, Bobby, or Bubba, they’re all bad. But Denise is cute. Go Trek!
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by The MooCow on Sep 21, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always disliked Tasha.
But maybe it’s just because the show kinda sucked while she was still alive.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Sep 21, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Admittedly...
the first STNG season wasn’t that good, the writer were still getting their hooves wet, but it certainly picked up. I liked Tasha a lot, though, and her character is central to what I think is the best Trek episode ever, “Yesterday’s Enterprise”, where they go back in time through a rip int eh fabric of the universe to change the future and boy don’t I sound like a twelve pound economy sized can of Geekitude…
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by The MooCow on Sep 21, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I liked that episode a lot.
But hadn’t she already been killed off by that point? That was the alternate-timeline Tasha who wasn’t supposed to be alive anymore, right? I like what they did with her later. But yeah. Some early episodes are almost unwatchable to me now.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Sep 21, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The writing was trite, but the makeup and effects were also quite laughable.
How many times did they re-use that graphic of the enterprise floating by the screen in profile, with only the background changed?
It’s kind of amazing that it stuck on the air and became so great.
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by hazel on Sep 21, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, the show was a late bloomer prospects type.
It’s a good thing they didn’t have sabermetrics for television cause then the show would never have gone all Derek Jeter amirite???
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Sep 21, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, totally.
Shows that bat .508, with 23 runs batted in, 21 walks, 4 home runs, 12 stolen bases (in twelve attempts) and strike out only once in their senior years are never going to be truly appreciated for the things they bring to the game…er…I mean prime time lineup.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Sep 21, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed
And Longoria is going to be paid like 50M less than he otherwise would, Tulo the same, Greinke the same, Hanley, Zimmerman, Crawford, Braun, McCann, Waino, Kinsler, Molina, Wright, Reyes (even with his deadweight year this year) etc etc etc. The benefit of getting a potential 20+M player for multiple years on like an 8M option is bigger than the cost of having a potential dead 8M.
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by joker24 on Sep 21, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The option years make it even more ridiculously club-friendly.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Sep 21, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't look up all those guys...
but Longoria is locked up for two extra years, 2015 and 2016, that’s for $11 million per. His lead-up years appear to be a bargain… Still I have no idea where you get $50 million. They don’t save that much gross, and when you account for all the risk they’re taking, it’s definitely no where near $50million.
I’m not saying it’s a bad idea to lock up players through their arb years, just that it can be risky. I think people (not necessarily you) make the mistake of seeing these deals as favorable because they look cheap compared to FA deals. But these players are of course locked up anyway.
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by guayzimi on Sep 21, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The deals are below-market and the upside counters the risk.
Yes, some of them bust (obviously), but other than due dilligence, nothing can be done about that. The upside outweighs the risk.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Sep 21, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um
Longoria has 3 option years that otherwise would be FA years for 7.5M/11M/11.5M. The cost of these options was guaranteeing his arbitration years for 15.5M—-for reference Mark Teahen is going to make ~10M in arbitration awards. So if Longoria turned into Mark Teahen they’d be mildly overpaying.
But let’s just say those arbitration years are the expected value arby awards (they aren’t), they basically get the option to sign Longoria to a Free Agent valued 3 year 28M deal (and it’s even more valuable than that sounds considering they can take it year to year). Longoria is a 30M player right now, not even taking into account inflation should he stay the same 90M-28M=62M.
Obviously there’s risk involved, but something like 7.25M/Win is what it’s going to cost to sign a FA 5 years from now, Longoria would have to regress to be a 3.5 Win player over those 3 years to be worth less than 78M FA value. Longoria being a 7 Win player right now would have to drop off considerably for him not to have signed away 50M…and that’s ignoring that he likely gave a huge discount in his arbitration years.
And if he totally blows up his career between now and then, it costs them nothing because they are option years.
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by joker24 on Sep 21, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Longoria is probably among the most club-friendly deals in history.
And that isn’t to say none of those deals were bad. The Rios deal was bad on the day it was signed, but Bill Hall and Bobby Crosby were both above average players when they signed their deals (lack of plate discipline and injuries killed that promise), and in 07-08 they were still worth more and costed less than Barry Zito.
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by hazel on Sep 21, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me fail english?
That unpossible!
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Sep 21, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cot's...
hast the Rays purchasing his contract on April 12, 2008. That means at the end of 2013 he will have just less than six full seasons, so they’d still have rights to him for 2014. Unless my math is wrong, they’ve only bought out 2015 and 2016.
Also, they have to activate both the ‘15 and ’16 option years at the end of 2014. Finally, the projections for value don’t take into account deflation in the FA market, which appears to be occurring.
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by guayzimi on Sep 21, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Deflation?
Sabathia, Burnett, Blake, Bradley, Teixeira, Ibanez, Dempster, Furcal, Farnsworth, Lowe, Moyer, Perez, Manny, K-Rod and Wood all got pretty darn close to what you’d have thought the market would have been without the Recession. The “deflation” occurred with like 5 mid tier FAs in the middle of an utter collapse with everyone freaking out. The general economic opinion is that there’s going to be significant inflation in the economy at large (god only knows what that would do to baseball salaries seeing as how they were +10% when we had 2% inflation) in the coming years as the Fed has been pumping the money supply with every tool in its belt to stave off price level wide deflation in the short term.
Oh and Ryan Howard signed his last 3 arbitration eligible years for 54M. Longoria is a lot better than Ryan Howard…based on that he might surplus 50M in his 4 arby years let alone the option years.
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by joker24 on Sep 21, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmm...
this sounds like a political argument. Just look at the contracts signed since 2006. Aside from a couple Yankee outliers, the trend is flat/downward.
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by guayzimi on Sep 21, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is empircally false
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/win-values-explained-part-six
2002 – $2.6m / win
2003 – $2.8m / win
2004 – $3.1m / win
2005 – $3.4m / win
2006 – $3.7m / win
2007 – $4.1m / win
2008 – $4.5m / win
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by joker24 on Sep 21, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for this.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Sep 21, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The sum of those deals is less than one Barry Zito.
Even if your young players flame out and fail at a high percentage, it’s always an excellent gamble because it only takes one Adam Wainwright or Hanley Ramirez for you to derive a shitload of value from those types of contracts.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Sep 21, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boog and Cloby...
are both pre-arb. Skip and Luddy might be worth locking up. Skip will be in his first year of arby, and Luddy his second. I wouldn’t have said this in April, but I think going year to year with Luddy makes sense while locking Skippy up might be a good idea…I have more faith in Skip’s consistency and health than Ludwick’s.
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by cardzfanbub on Sep 21, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd love to see Lud get signed to a 3-year deal.
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by hazel on Sep 21, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it's based off of this season..
I’m all for it, too. This season hasn’t been terrible, but he’s about half the player he was last year. I think he could be the elite player he was in 2008, but this season has left me skeptical. OTOH I think what you are seeing with Skip is what you will get…average defense at 2B with above average offense. I’m fine with a three year for Luddy and a four year for Skip…preferably with options, and I’m also find going year to year.
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by cardzfanbub on Sep 21, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Four years for Skip?
Seems a bit much unless it’s a really club-friendly deal.
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by hazel on Sep 21, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I expect it would be...
he’s worth a lot more as a 2-bagger than as an OFer, but he’s still only above average. I was saying four years, to go through his first FA year.
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by cardzfanbub on Sep 21, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we had two or three year deal with an option or two on it,
I could get down with that. He’s still only 28 or 29, right?
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by hazel on Sep 21, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no way he needs to prove he's more than a one hit wonder
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by gdm426 on Sep 21, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd say no one.
Not Rasmus yet. Not Ryan yet. Perhaps after next season. Who we should really look into re-signing is Ryan Franklin. After all, this is his Age 36 season and I totally expect him to be able to repeat this performance at least two years into the future.
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by bgh on Sep 21, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What article is Goold referring to?
From Twitter (I know – hurl): "Thank you Joe Morgan for reading the sidebar in this morning’s paper. Sort of. Called the Cardinals’ double play work “man stew”. Close."
by sdrone on Sep 21, 2009 2:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
From yesterday's PD
Cardinals infielders Brendan Ryan and Mark DeRosa had just settled in Saturday for their daily "man stew" — the nickname for an afternoon dip in the hot tub — when the call came to take groundballs.
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by Alxfritz on Sep 21, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was wondering how DP work was a stew...the hot tub stuff makes more sense now
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by StLHugo on Sep 21, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love Colby more than Ron secretly loves Harry according to hundreds of slash fiction writers,
and it’s a travesty that he’s not playing more than he is. He’s probably losing the ROY because of this meddling, and the end result is that Ankiel is going to get the same or a worse contract because he will have a longer history of playing like crap. All of that said, Corky’s AB against Gregg was absolutely Ankiel-esque.
Also, what the hell was with Joe Morgan’s story about inventing some sort of backhand throw to SS? I’m not even sure what the hell he was referring to or how it would have helped skip, but more importantly- was any of that blabbering true?
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by hazel on Sep 21, 2009 2:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes, of course
No one in the history of the world has every thrown a ball shaped object that way before Joe Morgan did it in practice. What’s your deal? Are you questioning him?
by sdrone on Sep 21, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ludwick had a terrible at bat against Gregg too
His curveball (or whatever that low-80s breaking pitch was) was giving our guys fits. The Cardinals don’t really handle anything except fastballs well.
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by azruavatar on Sep 21, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's a 6ly big problem
they really should work on that or something
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by gdm426 on Sep 21, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They would need some sort of mythical
“hitting” coach for that.
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by Alxfritz on Sep 21, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
um, i've never heard of those
do only AL teams use them?
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by gdm426 on Sep 21, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just hoping his injuries
whatever they may be (cough) — don’t have long term effects.
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by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hazel/colby is not something I'm particularly fond of,
but whatever keeps us from ron/harry…
by DanUpBaby on Sep 21, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Snarussa
Ew.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Sep 21, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you did not.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 23, 2009 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any lawyers out there?
With the news that Aroldis Chapman easily established residency in Andorra because he has his passport, why in the world couldn’t an American kid establish citizenship in a “country” like that, renounce his American citizenship and be a free agent? That would totally be worth 50M.
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by joker24 on Sep 21, 2009 2:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i know they mentioned harper possibly doing it....
it probably just wouldn’t be worth the hassle when most of them are going to get huge contracts in the draft anyway
by slu on Sep 21, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno
10-15M vs. like 50M for Matsuzaka…..you can have my American citizenship for a few years.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Sep 21, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but he was an established professional already
no kid is going to get paid 50m….now if they want to go play japanese pro ball at 16 or something, thats a different story
by slu on Sep 21, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd bet Strasburg was rated better than Matsuzaka...
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Sep 21, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you "renounce" your American citizenship, though
Would you be allowed to come back to the country to play sports? I would imagine the government would have a big problem with that.
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Sep 21, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it would be a hell of a selling point with the fans too: he hated america so much he
renounced his citizenship! come see him play baseball!
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Sep 21, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Adam Dunn!
…oh come on. it was on a tee.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Adam Dunn cheated on his U.S. citizenship test
and he still was too lazy to pass.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Sep 21, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think the fans would care if he helps the team win
Leonard Little killed someone and that didn’t seem to matter.
The whole getting a visa to get back in the country might be tricky though yeah, but you’d have the money to grease that situation I’m sure.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Sep 21, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"eaten by wolves"
added to the glossary, yes or no?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 3:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
oh, and "handegg"
is not making the glossary as its internet presence pre-dates VEB use. gone on a technicality. just like handegg.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have to link to the SNL clip
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 21, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
was it snl-related?
that could disqualify it
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it's not 100% VEB-original it should be disqualified
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Sep 21, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yup.
some player-coined phrases have made it, but I think that’s the only exception
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man stew?
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Sep 21, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i can't even fathom that definition
it’s kind of a catch-all usage.
(cough)
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
it’s from a Tom Brokaw skit. It’s how Gerald Ford died.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 21, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
then alas, the lurkers will have to figure it out themselves.
or be eaten by wolves.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Gerald Ford dead today, and I'm gay"
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Sep 21, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes!
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
"POOL TEMPERATURES FUCK YEAH"--tgreenfield, The September 10th-11th VEB Off-Topic Explosion
by andi_k on Sep 21, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what about the morgan pearl?
“man stew”
I officially nominate “man stew” for addition to the glossary
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on Sep 21, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know wtf the definition would be
still watching the usage.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
duh dude
it is most definitely the double play combination.
In fact, I think Joe Morgan came up with the term back in the 70s
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Sep 21, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
when referring to the middle infield?
s/a man that was a bad throw from skip, needs more man stew.
IDK, I’m trying here.
Maybe we could just rename joe morgan man stew? and any time you refer to morgan you use man stew instead?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on Sep 21, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to wait and see how commenters use it
nothing defines a term better than impulsive/drunk posting.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see, run it through the man stew of a few game threads and see how it comes out?
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on Sep 21, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well I include posters of all genders
and I’m going to stop that metaphor right there….
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT: don't show this to Boog
http://emialcash.com/hairy-competitors-gather-in-germany-for-moustache-championships/
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 3:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I can’t even fathom how often Joel Quenneville has to shave. Look at the thickness of that stache!!!!
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Sep 21, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thicker than the top of his head!
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Sep 21, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's like a coarse broom!
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Sep 21, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's Thicker on the INside Too....
:=8.
Big McLargehuge!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Sep 21, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So it looks like Cecil Cooper finally got fired.
The Astros, jubilant with Cooper gone, are going to steamroll us tonight.
"If I'm in a slump, I ask myself for advice" - Ichiro
by Toppins on Sep 21, 2009 4:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't get the firing
It was his fault Fat Elvis got hurt? the Oswalt got hurt? That Carlos Lee got fat?
And what good does it do to dump him now?
Oh and tonight will be a flawless victory for the ’stros. Why even bother playing.
by Harknights on Sep 21, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we like circuses.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I live in South Texas, and let me tell you...
Cecil Cooper is blamed for everything
I do agree with the firing, though, because essentially none of the players respect him since he was a complete idiot and trash talked his own team to the Houston media.
"If I'm in a slump, I ask myself for advice" - Ichiro
by Toppins on Sep 21, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um, not to mention the entire business operation, farm system, terrible trades, etc.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Sep 21, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Classic McLane
Could have done this two weeks from now…and looked classy about it.
But nope, that wouldn’t be Uncle Drayton’s MO
Run Vince run! There's a tarp chasing you! Run! It's right behind you!
by TBender on Sep 21, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right.
It serves no purpose whatsoever to fire the man today. Their season is over. Just stand back and let it end, then cast blame and fire people (but NOT your GM, as a Cardinal fan, I beg of you not to fire Ed Wade).
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 21, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lineups per FSMW tweet
Cards Lineup:
Lugo-4
Ryan-6
Pujols-3
Holliday-7
Ludwick-9
DeRosa-5
Larue-2
Schumaker-8
Lohse-1
Two thoughts….our best Center fielder against Wandy is our second baseman,
and I thought Lohse was pitching. Whats with the personal catcher in the lineup?
"Obviously, tipping pitches didn't help" - John Smotzl
"If you disrespect the Baseball Gods, you'll get slapped." - TLR
by RiverRat on Sep 21, 2009 4:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He's gritty and a former LFer.
Of course he can cover CF in a far below average fashion, despite his being a leadoff hitter.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 21, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I propose, that whenever
the phrase “Que?” is used that it be accompanied by this photo
"Obviously, tipping pitches didn't help" - John Smotzl
"If you disrespect the Baseball Gods, you'll get slapped." - TLR
by RiverRat on Sep 21, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what the hell is that from?
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by gdm426 on Sep 21, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fawlty towers. manuel, right?
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Sep 21, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes....
"Obviously, tipping pitches didn't help" - John Smotzl
"If you disrespect the Baseball Gods, you'll get slapped." - TLR
by RiverRat on Sep 21, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what the hell is that?
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by gdm426 on Sep 21, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
google? youtube? what, we gotta do everything for you?
1970s british comedy starring john cleese of monty python, fish called wanda fame, and his lovely wife.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Sep 21, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but what photo is Rat referring to?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 21, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the spanish porter very often responds "que" when he doesn't get cleese's complicated, manic instructions
by slu on Sep 21, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I SEE NO PHOTO!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 21, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
unclick the subject line fritzy
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Sep 21, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Firefox is blocking something from whatever site is was linked from
cause I got nothing here. Nothing!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 21, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's what mrs fritz says
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Sep 21, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why I oughtta...
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 21, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you guys are asses, lol
http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00634/SNN3001MAN_180_634162a.jpg
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm incrediably lazy today, so yeah it would be nice if you all did everything
if someone could run out & get me some dinner & booze i’d be mighty appreciative as well
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by gdm426 on Sep 21, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you want a hooker while we're at it?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Sep 21, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
make sure it's a girl
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by gdm426 on Sep 21, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but that will cost more
so can i go cheap on the scotch?
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Sep 21, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ugh, fiiiiiine
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by gdm426 on Sep 21, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
gdm speaks from experience, i detect.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Sep 21, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i'm not here to talk about the past
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by gdm426 on Sep 21, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
gdm
This may be the first comment of yours I’ve ever rec’d, but if I could make it go green myself, I would. Well played! (A rec for tom s. as well)
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Sep 21, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll give it a rec too
but only b/c you guys are going to help me remember what those expandable, connectible building blocks from the late 80’s were called.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 21, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
an erector set?
"I think he's the best hitter of all time. I think there has never been a better hitter than him. And I know I didn't see them all, but I just don't think there could be." - Adam Wainwright on The Mang
by bmorgan on Sep 21, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no idea
I can’t even picture what you’re talking about
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Sep 21, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A little bit of googling didn't help me find what you're looking for
But I did find this, which is awesome
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Sep 21, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They were made of two components
Set plastic blocks that were the bases and foldable, expandable pieces.
Crude drawing:
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 21, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So it was a caterpillar and a trick die that had all 1's?
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Sep 21, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kinnex.
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Sep 21, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not according to google.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 21, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
K'nex?
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Sep 21, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
NO!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 22, 2009 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno
Kinnex didn’t ring a bell, but searching google brought up K’nex and I definitely remember that
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Sep 22, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They're not k'nex!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 22, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
tinker toys?
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Sep 22, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn it spants
tahts what my wife said last night. I made her leave the room.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 22, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been Googling like mad - I can't find anything!
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Sep 22, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Sep 22, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bristle Blocks?
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Sep 22, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
POPOIDS!
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Sep 22, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If these aren't right, THEY DON'T EXIST.
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Sep 22, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
YES!
You win!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 22, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
(feeling strangely let down)
"I’m going to come after you." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Sep 22, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was rather anti-climactic.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 22, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's been using that line for a while, though.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
IT'S GREEN!!!!!!!!
that’s really the first one you’ve rec’d? i’ve rec’d a bunch of your’s bro.
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by gdm426 on Sep 21, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
First one I can remember
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Sep 21, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well thanks
better late than never dude
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by gdm426 on Sep 21, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just close your eyes.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 21, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this ain't the military, i do ask & i will tell!
that probably didn’t make a lick of sense
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by gdm426 on Sep 21, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yet another John Cleese classic
Lighten up, Francis - Sergeant Hulka
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Sep 21, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
absolutely brilliant show from the 70s
Rickey Gervais often nods to it as an influence. It streams on Netflix if you have it
by slu on Sep 21, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What photo?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 21, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wanted to link to this,
but it was blocked at work.
"Obviously, tipping pitches didn't help" - John Smotzl
"If you disrespect the Baseball Gods, you'll get slapped." - TLR
by RiverRat on Sep 21, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yadi has a boo-boo
bum ankle, and he’s already eclipsed his career high in innings caught, and we’re a lock for October, and…. that pornstache is irresistible.
"If I'm in a slump, I ask myself for advice" - Ichiro
by Toppins on Sep 21, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Schumaker - 8, really?
this is a bad move after last night. he needs to get back on that horse. he’ll be beating himself up till well into Colorado.
otoh, oh look! Yadi finally gets his stroke back and now they choose to let him rest. cruel ironies. well, rest that ankle, Yadier.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
tlr can't resist
putting middle infielders in the outfield in september apparently.
by adiueordie on Sep 21, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In September...
And in August, and in July, and in June, and in May…
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 21, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sent Leach a tweet
hopefully we get an honest answer, but I’m not holding my breath.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 21, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's it:
MatthewHLeach@boxcar_fritz Rodriguez has killed both Raz and Ank.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 21, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
boxcar_fritz@MatthewHLeach well lets not give the CFer for the considerable future a chance to right the ship. Lets put the 2B in CF. Brilliant.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 21, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't say I'm that surprised at Schu in center.
Clobby is 0-7 against wandy with 1 BB.
AnKiel is 0-9 (but only 1 K!) against wandy.
meanwhile Schu is 3-11.
"If I'm in a slump, I ask myself for advice" - Ichiro
by Toppins on Sep 21, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hooray! we continue to use insanely small sample sizes to justify lineups!
colby is one of the best center fielders in the league. skippy is a dreadful CF (and has had a season of mostly-vacation from the OF.
I would rather we called up shane robinson than put skippy in CF against a LHP. (09 split .514 OPS/ career .489).
We have someone who a) can’t play defense in center field (career UZR/150 in 669 innings: -11.4) and b) can’t hit LHP playing CF against a LHP. Why? because he got three groundballs to find gaps in the infield defense in 11 at bats.
this is how you got to the HOF, tony?
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Sep 21, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Silence! You'll jinx me! The GOB might hear you!
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 21, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's assinine as well
Because at the very least with keeping our good defensive CF in we save a run or two, even if he goes 0-4 with 4 swinging K’s.
Best-case scenario Schu hits a sharp grounder up the middle, but lets a ball drop in left-center that kills Lohse’s confidence and Kyle slits his wrists post-game.
So Tony will have that on his conscience.
Serves him right.
"If I'm in a slump, I ask myself for advice" - Ichiro
by Toppins on Sep 21, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is the one time I'd say
There’s probably something wrong with Rasmus health wise. TLR isn’t this dumb.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Sep 21, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
except he's been making these decisions all year, based on matchups.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Sep 21, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not Schumaker in CF matchups though
I’d rather have Schu in CF than Ank in any case.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Sep 21, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fwiw, UZR likes ank better in CF. and i don't see any of our three
lefties as being great LHP hitters.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Sep 21, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree.
Defensively, I believe Ankiel to be better. This is based on my own observations and defensive metrics. I’m not confident that Skip will hit tonight against Wandy, despite his “career split” against the lefty. I’d rather have better defense. I, too, fear that something is wrong with Colby’s health.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 21, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HE'S WASTING AWAY
(sorry for being late with that.)
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose the next logical conclusion is:
COLBY RASMUS IS THE NEXT JD DREW!
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 21, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hardly
JD was never dying of consumption.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have an irrational hatred for Ank right now
I just can’t stand watching him hit anymore. It’s just too much.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Sep 21, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You haven't been watching him hit...
That’s been the problem.
Run Vince run! There's a tarp chasing you! Run! It's right behind you!
by TBender on Sep 21, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed
10 Ks his last 20 PAs good god.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Sep 21, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And those 10 K's were on what?
32 pitches?
Run Vince run! There's a tarp chasing you! Run! It's right behind you!
by TBender on Sep 21, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And considering the size of MMP's CF
This will not go well tonight.
Here’s hoping a 6 run first and an early Wandy man stew.
Run Vince run! There's a tarp chasing you! Run! It's right behind you!
by TBender on Sep 21, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is worrisome to me.
With Lohse on the hill, leaving pitchers up in the zone, and Skippy patrolling CF, we could see Puma or Caballo get an inside-the-park-HR.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 21, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
on the other hand
TLR can just tell the troops that the stupid park is stupid again. All’s well.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Easy now...
Berkman maybe…but Lee, that’s just crazy talk.
Run Vince run! There's a tarp chasing you! Run! It's right behind you!
by TBender on Sep 21, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
El Caballo:
Are you saying that he couldn’t hoof it around the bases after Skippy misplays a ball that then rolls up the grassy knoll a la a miniature golf course?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 21, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and he'll also have to duck under the farris wheel
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by gdm426 on Sep 21, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the only possible reason is if Colby's heel is bothering him again
I wouldn’t want to see him vs. Tal’s Hill. they seem to be trying to shield him from the flagpole.
But shafting Skippy… whyyy?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
also, one day Skippy is gonna snap.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TLR figures it's a Lohse start, so we'll need a miracle to win anyway-
not sure why he didn’t rest albert, DeRo, Lud, and Holliday too.
Welley can probably play first base, right?
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Sep 21, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not helping
Beginning to wonder if it’s worth going to the game.
It’s raining here (south of Houston) right now too, so traffic is going to suck.
/who am I kidding, of course I’m going.
Run Vince run! There's a tarp chasing you! Run! It's right behind you!
by TBender on Sep 21, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm not watching this shit tonight
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by gdm426 on Sep 21, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
pineiro at second
anyone can play second base.
maybe motte in right field. just imagine that arm in right field!!!!
by adiueordie on Sep 21, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sauce would destroy parts of that stadium.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
motte should catch with LaRue at first
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
by StLHugo on Sep 21, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow...
I totally blocked out the “anyone can play second base” deal. Is this in the glossary?
"Don't do anything till I get back!" - Jesus to the Cubs
by cardzfanbub on Sep 21, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My pre-game comments for today
A. Skip schumaker in CF? WTF. I thought skip was a 2B now. My head is going to explode.
B. Speaking of CFers. The Pirates are looking at Rick Ankiel according to the Rotoworld Toolbar. Yeah, that’s a good idea Pirates. Try to pick up the Boras client with little power, no contact, and massive strikeout:ab ratio. God bless you pirates.
C. Two hour season premiere of Heroes tonight. And yes, I will be watching both the game and the show, I don’t know how, but I will succeed.
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by The_teague on Sep 21, 2009 4:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
TLR logic:
Only by establishing himself as a fulltime second baseman can he then be a part-time CFer.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 21, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my brain
it’s bleeding
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you should probably have that looked at
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by gdm426 on Sep 21, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
rub some dirt on it.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Sep 21, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
B
they have to have a backup for McCutchen, who they will trade midseason next year.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 21, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coldy?
is he perhaps being further punished for whatever he was getting yelled at for in last night’s game (the bad strikeout?)
I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps. | Cards on Cards
by madding on Sep 21, 2009 5:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he wasn't really being yelled at. at least, I didn't think so.
Tony took time away from watching an at-bat to talk to Colby. The rook seemed to be the one asking the questions.
Though who knows. Colby’s poker-face… or, uh, face… is just as unreadable as TLR’s.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder when Colby will start wearing his sunglasses at night...
ya know, to prevent the opposition from reading his eyes.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 21, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but you can't read his eyes now.
that’s the beauty of it.
he even wears the flat brim, daring others to pick up on anything.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I think bgh was failing at internet sarcasm there.
"If I'm in a slump, I ask myself for advice" - Ichiro
by Toppins on Sep 21, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
as was I
except I’m not even sure what I was failing at, other than knowing I did.
I wouldn’t wanna play poker with Colby, either way.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's really surreal, him being 23...
He must have started playing poker at age 4.
"If I'm in a slump, I ask myself for advice" - Ichiro
by Toppins on Sep 21, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was at the game on his birthday
the entire stadium sang him happy birthday.
no one reported back about any of his reaction shots when I got back to VEB, though….
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s so sweet. I wish I had been there.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Sep 21, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
was there anything in the broadcast?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t remember. It’s possible I didn’t see it.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Sep 21, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they did mention it, but i don't remember them showing it
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by gdm426 on Sep 21, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't look like he was being yelled at...
Looked like Tony and Colby were actually trying to analyze his at-bat or the pitcher. Tony didn’t have his angry face on. Just his normal serious face.
Either way, you aren’t going to improve someone by sitting them.
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by The_teague on Sep 21, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tony was yelling
he was definitely, definitely yelling
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by gdm426 on Sep 21, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, heck, I'm going to be excited for baseball... go Redbirds!
Here they are stomping on Brett Wallace’s heart.
One-game championship vs. the Durham Bulls at 6pm CT, Sept 22nd on espn2.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 5:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I will be watching this.
Since my TV provider is fascist and doesn’t have FSN (could go to a bar, but why would I want to watch Wandy kill us in public?)
"If I'm in a slump, I ask myself for advice" - Ichiro
by Toppins on Sep 21, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sept. 22nd
Today is the 21st.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 21, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tomorrow, Tuesday, at 6:05 CST
http://memphis.redbirds.milb.com/index.jsp?sid=t235
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Sep 21, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ouch. Calendars pwn me sometimes.
"If I'm in a slump, I ask myself for advice" - Ichiro
by Toppins on Sep 21, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep. this thread is a premature advisory
I just wanted to post a picture of winning baseball in the Cardinals org.
unfortunately, they too beat up on each other upon winning. I guess we have many more years of kidney-punch walk-offs.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does the organization have
a roving celebratory boxing coach?
Gotta make sure they all follow through properly.
Run Vince run! There's a tarp chasing you! Run! It's right behind you!
by TBender on Sep 21, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
see, this is why we're so much more superior to the Brewers
they pretend to beat each other up.
the Cardinals actually do.
[……face+palm]
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Working the body would make him happy
No one likes a head hunter boxer, that’s how you go from PrimeTyson to Buster Douglas beating Tyson.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Sep 21, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
pics - it did happen
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man Stew?
Run Vince run! There's a tarp chasing you! Run! It's right behind you!
by TBender on Sep 21, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ARGHHHHHH!!!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 21, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahaha
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My apologies
I blame Joe Morgan.
Run Vince run! There's a tarp chasing you! Run! It's right behind you!
by TBender on Sep 21, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hi Mr. Morgan!
The only thing that would make this game better is a walkoff! - said in walkoff situations since 9/19/09
WALKOFFZ R MOAR FUNN! - used after walkoffs since 9/19/09
by zoomzoomj88 on Sep 21, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You guys think
Albert will break the NL record for most assists by a 1B. And actually, it does make sense. I mean, he does have to play a little more to his right to cover for Skip’s initial lack of range. And he does play in Dave Duncan’s groundball-o-rama style of pitching. Not to mention Pineiro’s exaggerated GB:FB ratio. It would be nice for Albert, start piling up those records. Plus, Mark Grace is the one with the feat and I am just not comforable with Cubbies having records… Good records…
I want the Walrus back...
by Paulspike on Sep 21, 2009 5:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
2009 Cardinals Playoff Tickets
Has anyone heard back from the Cardinals via email about the “2009 post season ticket opportunity”? They were supposed to send out emails about it today, and as of 4pm CST, I have not heard anything back.
by salukihoops on Sep 21, 2009 5:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nothing yet...
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 21, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
also: CDT
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 21, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're a time nazi
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by gdm426 on Sep 21, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I speak zulu only at work
so, yes, I am.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 21, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ZULU CHARLIE TAGO BRAVO!!!!!
GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS’S SHIRLEY & GET ME THOSE FUCKING TPS REPORTS!!!!
i’m sure you’re nothing even remotely close to that, but it sounded funny in my head
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by gdm426 on Sep 21, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Rockies were kind enough
were kind enough to let me know I did not get playoff tix.
no word from the Cards though.
"He ran hard, but he didn't run fast. He runs like he's mad at the ground." - opposing broadcaster describing Yadi's speed.
by TNTinCO on Sep 21, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was hyped about the game
and unfortunately, that call lost us the game. I went to bed last night thinking that the call would cost us the game. Unfortunately I was right, but the ump made the right call, because Holliday indeed was nowhere near the bag. The good news is, we took 2 out of 3, and we still have many games ahead of us.
The only thing that would make this game better is a walkoff! - said in walkoff situations since 9/19/09
WALKOFFZ R MOAR FUNN! - used after walkoffs since 9/19/09
by zoomzoomj88 on Sep 21, 2009 5:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Houston—have fired manager Cecil Cooper. ?
by RedJoker on Sep 21, 2009 5:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Another weird firing with weird timing
Very Ned Yost-esk
The only thing that would make this game better is a walkoff! - said in walkoff situations since 9/19/09
WALKOFFZ R MOAR FUNN! - used after walkoffs since 9/19/09
by zoomzoomj88 on Sep 21, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nexdef'd
up around 3:21pm CDT
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would do unforgiveable things to be in Munich for Oktoberfest
Unforgiveable.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Sep 21, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Police lead away a young man in handcuffs. Authorities are keeping a close watch on revelers to ensure the celebration doesn't get out of hand.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 21, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How drunk do you have to be to get kicked out of Oktoberfest?
That’s like losing too much money in Vegas.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Sep 21, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This guy is cool, though.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 21, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stupid krauts.
It’s not even Oktober!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 21, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
House premiers tongight
WHO"S EXCITEEDDDDDDDDDD!!?!?!?!??
by vivaelpujols on Sep 21, 2009 6:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I is
very excited!
The only thing that would make this game better is a walkoff! - said in walkoff situations since 9/19/09
WALKOFFZ R MOAR FUNN! - used after walkoffs since 9/19/09
by zoomzoomj88 on Sep 21, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and I will join vivaelpujols
in the killing. Fear us!
The only thing that would make this game better is a walkoff! - said in walkoff situations since 9/19/09
WALKOFFZ R MOAR FUNN! - used after walkoffs since 9/19/09
by zoomzoomj88 on Sep 21, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not this guy.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 21, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HIMYM FTW
"I remember once talking to one guy on the Cardinals and asking him what Pujols was like as a teammate. He said something that’s really special, if you think about it. He said: "Albert is so good that you feel like you let him down when you screw up." I thought that had to be the ultimate line that could ever be said about a ballplayer. I build my baseball team around that ballplayer."
by Smokin Turkeys on Sep 21, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will be watching a baseball game.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 21, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you just call me a
pussy thrower?
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 21, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or "Pacific time"
Whichever one makes more sense
by vivaelpujols on Sep 21, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will hopefully be in bed by then,
throwing some P.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 21, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's what fritz said
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by gdm426 on Sep 21, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOOOOOOOOOOOO! Best show on television!
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Sep 21, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
which one?
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by gdm426 on Sep 21, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HIMYM!
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by ClemsonGirl on Sep 21, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i wouldn't say it's the best
but it’s definitely in my top 10. maybe even top 5. i do love it, lots.
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by gdm426 on Sep 21, 2009 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's the best.
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by ClemsonGirl on Sep 21, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My wife actually controls the TV downstairs despite not being home...
House and HIMYM are recording on the DVR, so I have to keep the TV off. Suck.
"If I'm in a slump, I ask myself for advice" - Ichiro
by Toppins on Sep 21, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How does she do that?
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Sep 21, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You haven't learned how to do that yet?
Learn quickly, lest you miss out on one of your sex’s prime advantages in life.
"If I'm in a slump, I ask myself for advice" - Ichiro
by Toppins on Sep 21, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
From what I can tell about my tastes (minus a few exceptions) I’ll probably like all the same shows as my husband so this probably won’t be a problem.
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by ClemsonGirl on Sep 21, 2009 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I like both shows...
I keep it off so we can watch them together later… but… having something on while I make dinner is usually preferable; as it stands music will have to do.
"If I'm in a slump, I ask myself for advice" - Ichiro
by Toppins on Sep 21, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh how cute.
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by ClemsonGirl on Sep 21, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have three TVs.
Nobody has hand.
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 21, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Schu in CF tonight - no joke
Lineup, per PD
Lugo 2B
Boog SS
Albert 1B
Lego LF
Lud RF
DeRo 3B
Fu Manchu C
Schu CF
Lohse P
The only thing that would make this game better is a walkoff! - said in walkoff situations since 9/19/09
WALKOFFZ R MOAR FUNN! - used after walkoffs since 9/19/09
by zoomzoomj88 on Sep 21, 2009 6:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
nexdef'd
3:27pm CDT
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes no Rasmus!
That guy sucks, he’s only batting .250.
by vivaelpujols on Sep 21, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least Dick ain't in the lineup
When’s the last time Schu even played in the OF?
The only thing that would make this game better is a walkoff! - said in walkoff situations since 9/19/09
WALKOFFZ R MOAR FUNN! - used after walkoffs since 9/19/09
by zoomzoomj88 on Sep 21, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last night
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Sep 21, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stros lineup
Nexdef’d?
Bourn CF
Tejada SS
Berkman 1B
Lee LF
Blum 3B
Pence RF
K. Matsui 2B
Quintero C
Wandy P
The only thing that would make this game better is a walkoff! - said in walkoff situations since 9/19/09
WALKOFFZ R MOAR FUNN! - used after walkoffs since 9/19/09
by zoomzoomj88 on Sep 21, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We've already beat
this horse.
"Obviously, tipping pitches didn't help" - John Smotzl
"If you disrespect the Baseball Gods, you'll get slapped." - TLR
by RiverRat on Sep 21, 2009 6:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I guess I was too lazy to scroll up
Too late a night last night…
The only thing that would make this game better is a walkoff! - said in walkoff situations since 9/19/09
WALKOFFZ R MOAR FUNN! - used after walkoffs since 9/19/09
by zoomzoomj88 on Sep 21, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
uh oh...skip in center instead of colby
maybe tony was yelling at colby last night
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Sep 21, 2009 6:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
high level shout out for the cards.
The term is “ridiculous,” Mr. President.
President Barack Obama is such a big Chicago White Sox fan that he’s not making any predictions as long as his beloved home team has a mathematical shot at the playoffs.
But he’s tipping his hand a bit with mentions of the St. Louis Cardinals and the New York Yankees. He tells NBC’s "Meet the Press" that the Cardinals are coming on strong. And he says slugging first baseman Albert Pujols is "unbelievable." Pujols leads the big leagues in home runs, is tied for first in runs batted in, and is second in batting average in the National League.
As for the American League, Obama says the Yankees are doing well. And he singles out New York shortstop Derek Jeter for breaking Lou Gehrig’s team record for career hits. Obama calls Jeter "a classic."
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Sep 21, 2009 7:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I must admit I hope to see the Yankees should we reach the WS...
It would be a lot of fun.
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by LukeMP1186 on Sep 21, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wanna see explanations of the Joba Rules every ten seconds too.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's one reason I want to see the Yankees...
That rotation doesn’t really scare me outside of CC. Burnett is ready to implode in the postseason, I can see it now.
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by LukeMP1186 on Sep 21, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
CC has not shown me that he can pitch in the postseason.
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by ClemsonGirl on Sep 21, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But he's still been really good...
I would like my chances against the Yankees, though. You’d have to figure Carp and Waino would keep them in the ballpark and take away the glaring homefield advantage in right field. Hopefully we’d be able to line the rotation up that way.
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by LukeMP1186 on Sep 21, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really good this season I mean...
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by LukeMP1186 on Sep 21, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was really good in 2007 too. He was also good in 2008. I wouldn’t mind playing the Yankees in the WS but I still will be rooting for them to lose all the way there.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Sep 21, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I have to pick a team in the AL
Make it the Tigers please — we own them, for they can only win series in three games. Verlander scares me, but nobody else, and I think their offense is the worst of the contending teams.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Sep 21, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They'll probably make it to the ALCS, but they're unlikely to survive 7 games against the Yankees.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Sep 22, 2009 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Tigers will play the Yankees in the ALDS...
So perhaps that makes it a bit easier.
V, b.
by LukeMP1186 on Sep 22, 2009 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I personally want to see the Orioles
But that ain’t gonna happen
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Sep 21, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One Yankees/Cards Series
in my lifetime, please. Just one. I’ plan to burn a Rickey Henderson jersey in effigy in exchange for the GOBs kindness.
"on gameday it says duke loves to face the four seamer and hates to face the four seamer" -VolsnCards5
"perhaps it's a computer joke about the duality of man." -tom s.
by Tudor's Electric Fan on Sep 21, 2009 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here I was, stupidly expecting something serious.
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by ClemsonGirl on Sep 21, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BOO THIS MAN!
"In 2035, 25 young men will be able to call themselves world champions. Some of those guys haven’t even been born yet. And some of them are Asian." -Mike Shannon
by Alxfritz on Sep 21, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
boooooo
no g.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 21, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i hope that's on Top Gear
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by gdm426 on Sep 21, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs