Interview with former Cardinal blogger Brian Gunn
Longtime St. Louis Cardinals fans might be interested in checking out a recent interview I had with Brian Gunn, the proprietor of the late, great Redbird Nation blog from the 2003-04 seasons. I was feeling nostalgic on the five year anniversary of that amazing team and sent out an e-mail to Brian, and he was kind enough to reply with some great answers to my questions. I know for me, Redbird Nation led me to all kinds of new corners of Web-based baseball analysis, and proved a trailblazer for sites like Viva El Birdos, which are such strong communities today.
If anything, it just shows that at least one good thing has come from a Blogspot site! The interview is at:
http://www.hankbrockett.com/2009/09/catching-up-with-brian-gunn-and-redbird.html
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umm FANSHOT
Chuck Norris doesn't need a bat.
he just roundhouse kicks the ball out of the park.
by bearcatcardfan on Sep 2, 2009 12:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yes, fanshot is more appropriate. read the community guidelines please.
That said Brian Gunn! Got me into Cardinals blogging, he did.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 2, 2009 7:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where is the summary of what is appropriate for a fanpost (vs fanshot)?
I’ve certainly seen people enforce the standard enough to know what is expected, but I can’t find the description in the guidelines.
Thanks
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by ncgostl on Sep 3, 2009 7:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I meant to include the url to the VEB guidelines
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/pages/guidelines
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by ncgostl on Sep 3, 2009 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/2/2/742758/fanshots-vs-fanposts
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2009/1/6/710121/community-fanpost-guidelin
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 3, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can we post these so that they are easier to find?
I don’t expect many VEB readers have visited beyond the box score.
The second link, by Chuckb, isn’t linked on the front page of VEB that I could see. Did I miss seeing a link on the front page?
I recommend placing a link to Chuckb’s post asap. The community grows and turnovers quickly enough to assume everyone has read it.
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by ncgostl on Sep 3, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
We’ve been trying to get dan et al to post a few more things to the recurring front page. That’s one that’s well overdue.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 3, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is perfect for a fanpost
Original content- good material.
Thanks for your effort
by salukihoops on Sep 2, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
one paragraph and a link?
our standards have really diminished.
Shut up, Fritz™.
by Alxfritz on Sep 2, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good interview, though
Shut up, Fritz™.
by Alxfritz on Sep 2, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
didn't he do the interview?
is that not enough?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 3, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the interview was for VEB
then it would have been a great fanpost.
Shut up, Fritz™.
by Alxfritz on Sep 3, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it is a great fanpost
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 4, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a link to a guys blog.
BEST LINK EVER!
Shut up, Fritz™.
by Alxfritz on Sep 4, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would've been if he would've put the writing in the post.
If it’s a link, it’s a fanshot.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Sep 4, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
meh
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2009 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And a meh to you, sir.
But that’s the definition.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Sep 5, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
unless you go by the sbnation definition
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 7, 2009 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It says it right in
the FanPost section: Quick hits of video, photos, quotes, chats, links and lists that you find around the web.
This is the very definition of that.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Sep 7, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok
right on
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 7, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jesus, why are mommy & daddy fighting?
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
by gdm426 on Sep 8, 2009 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What sucks is
lost in all of this is an awesome interview with the godfather of Cards blogging, and a complete disrespect for fanshots!!!
Shut up, Fritz™.
by Alxfritz on Sep 8, 2009 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well it's mostly because the other posts doing the same thing
were frozen or not popular enough. this was just the gathering.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 8, 2009 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great Fan Post...
…for the Cardinal community that moved to VEB from Redbird Nation when Brian hung up the spikes (keyboard) at too young an age.
Redbird nation made the magical 2004 season less mysterious but even more magical.
Thanks for posting the interview.
www.mpgillusion.com
by ncgostl on Sep 2, 2009 7:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great fan post
I for one am glad this was a fan post. If it would have been a fan shot I might have missed it.
Great interview. I miss Redbird Nation.
by spfldbird on Sep 2, 2009 8:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I Almooost...
..never read a fanshot. Moost of us don’t, which is why no one wants to waste time posting one.
:=8/
My hovercraft is full of eels!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Sep 2, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe you should start reading fan shots.
Shut up, Fritz™.
by Alxfritz on Sep 2, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
I’ve posted some sweet links in the past.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Sep 2, 2009 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I find most fanshots to be effin awesome
I love a lot of the fanposts, but some of them are, well…iffy?
I can’t remember the last fanshot that I was not impressed with.
In other words , READ FANSHOTS PEOPLE!
"Ludwick, I could kiss you on the nuts!" - the red baron 7-29-09
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Sep 5, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
THAT Brian Gunn?
Wait…the guy who did Redbird Nation is THAT Brian Gunn? Former brother-in-law of Pam from The Office? Brother of Kirk from Gilmore Girls? Oh my, this is an awesome find-out. And a great flashback to 2004; one of my most vivid memories from that season was the post in late July or August where he commented that it seemed the Cardinals were winning “every. damn. day.” We’re there again, and it’s everything I hoped it would be.
by PeterStork670 on Sep 2, 2009 11:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I am shocked as well
Cardinals baseball and the Gilmore Girls coming together in some cosmic twist? Tis a beautiful day my friends, a beautiful day.
"Ludwick, I could kiss you on the nuts!" - the red baron 7-29-09
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Sep 5, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I gotta say
that I am starting to wonder why I even try on here with all the “known” people on here that write on a regular basis. I always just read the blog before and never thought who was writing on it, then I join and find out these people are pros. Great, I think I’ll find a hole now.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Sep 3, 2009 10:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
perfect fanpost
thanks for the interview
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 3, 2009 1:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's a fanshot
not a fanpost b/c the interview was posted from another site. It’s not a VEB original interview; it’s a link to an interview somewhere else. It’s a good interview and a good link but it belongs in the fanshot section. It doesn’t diminish the content or quality to call it a fanshot vs. a fanpost.
by chuckb on Sep 3, 2009 3:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Chuckb
Can you post your community fanpost guidelines somewhere permanent, prominent, and proximate to the fanpost/fanshot area? The one Yadi2second posted above:
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2009/1/6/710121/community-fanpost-guidelin
If he had posted his interview at VEB exclusively (i.e., “inside” a fan post, with no duplication elsewhere), then it would qualify as a fan post?
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by ncgostl on Sep 3, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To answer my own question
The “original interview” versus “not original” is in the Sky Kalkman link at Beyond the Box Score, not in Chuckb’s guide.
I think we need to use some VEB space to cut and paste Sky’s distinction in an obvious spot. Maybe the key ideas in Chuckb’s post could be summarized and added to it.
The only reason why I’m pushing on this is because it is a daily thing.
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by ncgostl on Sep 3, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's really quite simple:
If it’s a link or a picture or some quick note, it’s a fanshot.
If it’s something original that you wrote and/or developed and (hopefully) took more than thirty minutes on, it’s a fanpost. Think of fanposts as you auditioning to write for the front page.
Shut up, Fritz™.
by Alxfritz on Sep 3, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand
But can we share these simple rules prominently for others?
www.mpgillusion.com
by ncgostl on Sep 3, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
noobz need to lurk more.
Shut up, Fritz™.
by Alxfritz on Sep 3, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FYI
If you go to the welcome link at the top left of VEB, this is what it says:
FanPosts – In Your Own Words
Every community encourages you to write your own blog posts. We call them FanPosts. If you have something to say about a trade, a game, a coach or last night’s lousy lineup, take a few moments and express your thoughts in a FanPost. Once your FanPost is published to the blog’s homepage, other blog members can recommend and respond to it.
I don’t think that aligns well with the actual VEB expectations.
www.mpgillusion.com
by ncgostl on Sep 3, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with nc
(if I may call you nc)
in the sense that these guidelines are not at all visible from the front page. It mires the community in arguing points of conduct when most members cannot find the actual ruling set forth by the mods.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 3, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A rough draft
Yadi2second—thanks for weighing in.
Here’s a rough draft synthesizing Chuckb, Sky Kalkman, and Alxfritz’s summary above. Maybe space can be created for something like this immediately above the fanposts on the front page? This could be posted as a fanpost right now as an interim guide before something permanent is put on the front:
“When to use fanposts or fanshots:
A fanpost should be an original, unpublished analysis based on data and logic. During the offseason and heavy trade periods (e.g., July), a single fanpost will be created each week to collect all trade-related discussions.
A fanshot can be used for a variety of other posts, including a short thought, a picture, a video, or a link to an external article or source. "
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by ncgostl on Sep 3, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats a terrible description of what fanposts are here, you are correct.
that sounds like the p-d boards!
Shut up, Fritz™.
by Alxfritz on Sep 3, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, but that's what people are reading and thinking what a fanpost is
if you get someone from another sbnation site, that’s what they would expect a fanpost to be.
but this is ridiculous, arguing over what a fanpost or fanshot should be.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 4, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look, we have higher standards.
I see no problem with that.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Sep 4, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
then it should be reflected on the site clearly
if our standards are so high
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 5, 2009 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure why you have a dog in this
considering you were asking for recs to your fan post that clearly deserved recs last weekend. You know what makes a fan post, why you think some guy linking to his blog is equal to you spending your saturday crunching numbers, I don’t know.
Shut up, Fritz™.
by Alxfritz on Sep 5, 2009 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I considered making the Glossary a fanshot, for pity’s sake.
The thing is, as I said before, lots of our rules and standards have not been updated to accessible parts of the site. It needs to happen. Like, yesterday. This is a [GOB-redacted] run, and VEB is going to get a lot more traffic. We already have an influx of new posters.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 5, 2009 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, I just thought it was lame that people jumped on his ass
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Sep 7, 2009 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, if you read the site,
and you pay attention, it’s pretty well reflected. Obviously it’s harder to discern for new people. But you’re not new so I don’t really understand your point.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Sep 5, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's do something about it
Alxfritz—you’re on the board that oversees infractions of the community guidelines.
Can you help get something like the short draft I posted above somewhere where people can actually see it?
I agree with spants that VEB can and should have higher standards.
But I also agree with Yadi2second that it needs to be clear, especially to new folks. The SBNation standards are the first things people see.
Let’s do something constructive. Way too much time is spent on a) “nailing people” for not following the hard-to-find norms and b) drawing distinctions…….
www.mpgillusion.com
by ncgostl on Sep 4, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You know there's not actually a board, right?
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Sep 4, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There used to be!
Paging, Mr. Up. Mr. Up, please update the FAQs.
Shut up, Fritz™.
by Alxfritz on Sep 4, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll say it again
Alxfritz, let’s do something constructive………….
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by ncgostl on Sep 4, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you appear to overestimate my power.
I would if I could.
Shut up, Fritz™.
by Alxfritz on Sep 4, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
I’ll appeal higher…..
My appeal is to simplify this so that the VEB community spends less time on it…..
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by ncgostl on Sep 4, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you
that the difference between fanpost and fanshots shoud be clearer at VEB.
And I agree with others that this was a damn nice interview, just not what VEB fanposts are supposed to be.
Shut up, Fritz™.
by Alxfritz on Sep 4, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Board
Spants… here it is from the enforcement link:
the Viva El Birdos Community Board consists of 6 longtime contributors to the site. the Board was created to ensure that the conversation at VEB remains civil and welcoming and to enforce the Community Guidelines. the Board members are azruavatar, zubin, houstoncardinal, alxfritz, erik, and valatan.
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by ncgostl on Sep 4, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats from way back in either 06 or 07.
back in th lboros days.
The FAQs need an updating.
Shut up, Fritz™.
by Alxfritz on Sep 4, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll let you take this one on
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by ncgostl on Sep 4, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, those were the days
Remember when we got compared to Robespierre?
They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...
by Valatan on Sep 4, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We were death panels
before death panels were cool.
Shut up, Fritz™.
by Alxfritz on Sep 4, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we best petition for specific updates
or we’re going to get community guidelines in metered rhyme.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Sep 4, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I must've read that before that part was in. That or I glossed over it.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Sep 4, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great Stuff - Thanks
Brian Gunn and Redbird Nation made me care about blogs; when it shut down it was like a friend had died.
By the way, hats off to Viva El Birdos. I started lurking here in 2005 but I’ve been away awhile and I can’t get over how this site has EXPLODED. The growth might be hard for some of you who are here every day to grasp. Great stuff.
I would have put this in FanPosts too.
by cyclone on Sep 5, 2009 4:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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