VEB Postgame Emporium
by azruavatar on Aug 26, 2009 12:22 AM EDT
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PrintI don't really know what an Emporium is but it sounds like a place full of wizards and leprechauns.
As the Cardinal offense gets a bit chilly, Wainwright comes in to continue his climb into the hearts of national media writers everywhere and past Timmy Lincecum. It's dangerous to mention it but there seems to be a distinct possibility that the Cardinals could have both the Cy Young and the MVP this season. The danger being that Carpenter has a strong case of his own and could usurp votes from Wagonmaker.
I love when we're concerned about one of our awesome pitchers stealing votes from another one of our awesome pitchers.
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Here's the wikipedia page for
Infinite Jest in case anyone else was as unaware as I was. I’m assuming there’s a small contingent of VEBers that have read this. . .
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
At least two of us are reading it this summer
As a part of the Infinite Summer blog “project.”
spants is the other one, I think…
I've been meaning to read IJ
ever since I read the transcript of his Kenyon College commencement address. I still reread it fairly often.
Here's a great interview with the man
Every time I read something like this I get sad that he’s gone and won’t be sharing his mind with the world anymore.
:(
Here's another (audio) interview
The NPR show Fresh Air played a brief excerpt of a 1997 interview with him after he killed himself last year. I’m not sure if the full original interview is available online.
by BTown Birds fan on Aug 26, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Ahead of the US Open
Everyone should read his piece on professional tennis. It may even turn you into a fan
http://www.esquire.com/features/sports/the-string-theory-0796
If you want people to read it...
don’t tell them it might turn them into tennis fans! I was all ready to click the link until you said that.
by southsidepat on Aug 26, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
well just for the next 2 weeks
after all it is the United States Open. Perhaps it will give you greater appreciation, not fandom. it’s very enlightening stuff either way
That address is very cool
I actually applied to and visited Kenyon. I think I would have hated it had I gone there. But that is a very good commencement address!
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
I'm still working through it..
awesome stuff
"I'll be glad to have Ryan [Braun] help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy." - Doug Melvin
read it in grad school when it came out
Spent a year at Illinois State in ’98 just to study with the man before transferring
optimistic on Crompton this year luke?
Hopefully Kiffin won’t allow him to lose games.
"I've got six players coming in who think they poop ice cream,"
I go back and forth...
Last year’s offense was such a disaster, and there is no doubt that Clawson’s system was just flat out broken. It was horribly complex, and none of those guys ever bought into it. They were only using 60% of the playbook at UCLA to start the year, and they simplified it more and more as it went along until we saw middle school ball against Vandy and Kentucky. Outside of the QBs, that was the same team that went to Atlanta the year before, so it’s hard to pin it on players. With that said, Crompton looked like total shit the vast majority of the year. But he (and the rest of the offense) was confused out of his mind every time he stepped to the line of scrimmage, and his confidence was probably gone by the end of the UCLA game. I just look at Ainge and what Cutcliffe was able to do with him. He was a total headcase in 2005, and Cut competely transformed him into an above average SEC quarterback. But we saw what Ainge could do in 2004, so it’s a little different. But all things considered, I think Crompton will be serviceable. He’ll probably throw his fair share of awful balls, but he will look completely different with a functioning offensive system. At this point, I’m much more worried about the paper-thin depth on the offensive line and our suddenly fragile wide receivers. The defense should be good, although not as good as last year. The linebackers are completely unproven. All of that said, I think this team goes 8-4. Anything less than 4-0 in the nonconference would be a disappointment, so then you only need 4 SEC wins. I think that’s well within reach with Auburn and South Carolina at home, plus Vandy and Kentucky. If we can stay healthy, beating Georgia or Ole Miss (terribly overrated) wouldn’t shock me at all. So I’m saying 8-4, quietly optimistic for 9-3. Add in a bowl win with either record and it’s a wildly successful first year for Lane.
V, b.
Nearly all of my dad's family lives in Knoxville and Kingsport
He pretty much indoctrinated me into the ways before I knew any better. It helped that Mizzou and Illinois weren’t particularly good in my formative years and SLU doesn’t have a football team. He would work some weekends and always call me to tape the games for him. DVR became a great gift.
I think I have more faith in the O-line than you do, but I am most concerned about the receiving corps. Even if it was the system last year, Crompton won’t look any better if Jones is out for any significant time or if the super freshman aren’t super. The OOC schedule isn’t too bad, except I have no idea what to expect for the UCLA game. I know it’s at home and we should dominate just like we did when we played Cal a few years ago, but I can’t shake the feeling that something will go wrong. The game last year was agonizing and it is the week before Florida. Beating the 4 non-conference foes, Vandy and UK, and one of Auburn or South Carolina is the baseline I think is reasonable and maybe we can sneak up on somebody else.
I am pumped this fall though; first trip down to Neyland Stadium. I think I am coming down for the Memphis game with my dad. Have heard all the stories about the awesomeness of the crowd and massiveness of the stadium and the whole experience. So pumped.
"I've got six players coming in who think they poop ice cream,"
The O-line starters will be fine...
But the depth is what’s concerning. Josh McNeil went out for the year today, and although he had just lost his starting spot to a former walk-on, that’s still terrible for depth. That’s what pisses me off about Fulmer more than anything else. The man was an offensive lineman, and this is the situation we’re left with. I’m so glad to see a real commitment to recruiting again. The receiver situation is concerning for sure. We’ll probably be without Gerald and Denarius until at least the Florida game, so those freshman are going to get thrown into the fire. That will probably wind up being beneficial as the year goes along, but it may be a little ugly early on. But those guys are really, really talented. I’m excited to see how it plays out, I just logged in and requested my ticket for the Western Kentucky game. My four years here have covered one of the worst stretches in program history, so hopefully I have something to be excited about in year five.
V, b.
Our O-line depth next year is horrifying...
They’re going to have to hit the JUCO ranks hard in this class.
V, b.
McNeil being out is a bit scary
I guess we will just have to rely on Eric Berry to score half our points. He can do that, right?
"I've got six players coming in who think they poop ice cream,"
...one of the reasons why I don't get college sports
….aren’t people embarrassed for rooting/wearing gear for colleges they didn’t go to?
Obv. people that actually went to said college are exempt….but people wearing sooner, mizzou, buckeye shirts that went to St. Charles Community College or Lindenwood…I think even UMSL is a stretch for me for guys wearing Mizzou shit….they certianly didn’t wear it when Mizzou sucked at everything.
I think I’m going to go buy a Hazelwood West Baseball shirt (no I didn’t go to hazelwood)
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
No, not at all.
I grew up an Illinois and Notre Dame fan.
Should I stop rooting for them because I went to SIUE?
Shut up, Fritz™.
Funny.
I grew up in South Bend and was a big Mizzou fan.
…‘course, i one time I thought I’d major in Journalism
Is it really any different from somebody that is a Cards fan that never lived in St. Louis or in Missouri?
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 26, 2009 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Cuz I sure as hell ain't gonna be a Cubs fan.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 26, 2009 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
nah, professional sports are specfically for enterainment
College is well…college.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
But college athletes don't get paid
so would that make it more for entertainment than the professionals, who’s job depends on performance?
And why would I drop all allegiances to a DIV I school 45 minutes away for a DIV III school 3 hours away?
I guess that the ones on scholarships get paid in a way.
A large number of them may have never gone to college without it.
Education= sevices rendered
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 26, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Loosers? You mean like, as opposed to tighters?
and +1 on the “services rendered for some”.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 26, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Your retarded
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Aug 26, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Gotcha
Ever since I discovered talking to people on the interwebs I have felt my brain slowly melting.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 26, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
i knew the "paid" aspect would get brought up
that’s why I said I was going to get a hazelwood (high school) shirt.
A lot of people claim they like college because of the “professional prima donna” aspect…but you can make that case with high school sports and even municipal sports…i think i’ll go check out the local beer league softball games this weekend…those guys play for the love of beer, not like some pampered athlete that only cares about his S class!!
School sports are a HUGE part of THE SCHOOL. prep rallies, nailing cheerleaders, letter jackets…etc. I just simply consider a college sports program part of the college and you just look silly wearing a Sooner shirt when you’ve never even been on campus. It’s like me buying a Harvard shirt…
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
If only we were able to do everything just for
the love of beer. I would be a very highly motivated person.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
I think you have to draw a distinction
between people who grew up rooting for a team and those that latched on later for no real reason. A lot of times college sports affiliation is built into a family tradition, so I see no reason someone from such a background should not root for some team just because they didn’t attend.
Exactly
I root for UK because of family traditions, love that song btw. And the college I went too was horrible in sports.
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
You wanna piss of a UK fan?
Make a comment about how good Duke’s basketball team is looking this year.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
The 1992 Duke/UK game
is by far the greatest sports moment in my lifetime that didn’t involve any of the teams I actively root for.
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Aug 26, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep, it was a great game,
and I really don’t like either team. But, my visceral hatred for all things UK, much like my visceral hatred for all things JD Drew, won over. I was jumping up and down when Laetner (sp.) made that shot.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
+1
I am the first person in my family to root for a college football team who actually went to said college.
Parents and some relatives are Tennessee fans, none went there.
Aunt and uncle and some other relatives are Georgia fans, none went there.
I’m an Auburn fan, graduated in ’07
Do I consider myself more deserving of rooting for my team than they are? No
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Aug 26, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't worry about Crompton
He was good as a freshman in ‘06. I’d be more worried that Lane Kiffin is my coach, personally.
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Aug 26, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
But that's the thing, JD...
He wasn’t that good. He threw two long touchdowns against LSU when Ainge got hurt, but they were both just bombs that Robert Meachem went and got. He was an All-American. He has a cannon, but going through his reads and such has been the primary issue. Meachem was obviously option #1 on both plays. Outside of that, he was 9-22 for 92 yards and an INT. He was just 16-34 the next week at Arkansas with another long TD to Meachem, a TD in garbage time, and an INT. All of that said, he was only a RS freshman, and he looked much better than he did last year as a RS junior. That says a ton about Clawson’s system. So I like I said, I think he’ll be serviceable so long as he has any confidence left.
V, b.
Oooh, I haven't been to an EMporium in years!
I don’t really know what an Emporium is but it sounds like a place full of wizards and leprechauns.
And Pegacorns.
I was at the game tonight, sitting down the first base line. Were Waino’s pitches as ridiculous on TV as they looked from the stands? Man, he was DEALIN!!
People sleep peacably in their beds at night because rough men stand at the ready to do violence on their behalf--George Orwell.
Perhaps he was tipping his pitches before.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
Was he tipping the screwball?
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
This is definitely our new meme
Smoltz.
by vivaelpujols on Aug 26, 2009 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions
comment to the glossary page, y'all
if you can find it
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Factoid from something my dad is reading
Waino has pitched 6 innings in 25 straight games. Impressive.
Gibson once pitched 6 innings in 58 straight games. Whoah.
Speaking of Gibson..
I don’t know if anyone has mentioned this, and if so, I’m sorry…
ESPN.com lists that Wainwright just passed Gibson in number of straight starts allowing two runs or less.
John Tudor 15 1987
Wainwright 12 2009
Bob Gibson 11 1968
Tudor did pretty good for a starter with just a weak FB and a CB
Though for some reason I cannot remember about half the pitches he threw. Its as if they don’t exist anymore.
Remember when Satchel Paige threw his "creepa"
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
what made Tudor so devistating
was his change up. He made a lot of right-handed batters look silly with that. I remember Bobby Bonilla (a switch hitter) hitting lefty against him because Tudor only threw that to righties.
why is shawn dunston in los gigantes dugout?
he’s wearing a uni & everything. i saw him just now after travis ishikawa hit a 3-run HR to put los gigantes up 5-2 over douche rouch (he has a neck tattoo, you cannot not be a douche if you have ink on your neck)& the DBacks.
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
Infield coach.
Great quote by him in the latest SI. “If you wanna see walks, go watch the mailman.” No lie.
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
Yeah, I was surprised
too.
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
i was just thinking to myself, ryan langerhans is going to hit a walk off home run right here
and you know what? he did. i wish i could learn how to use these powers on a regular basis. they might come in handy every once in a while.
btw, i was watching the A’s vs Those Who Sail Boats On The Left Coast. it was 2-2, top 10th, 1 out, runner on 1st, and langerhans plays for TWSBOTLC.
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jim leyland just about kicked rodney's ass
i swear he was about to hit him just now when he ran out to the mound
the tigers are up 5-3 bottom 9 out in SoCal & rodney allowed a double & threw a wild pitch on ball 4 to abreu that moved the runner to 3rd. what ever he said must have worked becaue he got hunter to pop up & has vald down 0-2. naturally vald has swung at two balls
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yep, it worked, vlad weakly lined out to 2nd & rivera promptly grounded out to 2nd
jim can now enjoy that post game smoke.
this concludes you’re west coast game updates. thus ends another day of baseball.
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I was gonna do a fanpost about the rotation for the remainder of the year
but fuck it. Too many off days and too many frigging pitchers. And too many days left in the year. I have no idea what Tony’s gonna do.
Suffice to say, without going back thru all of it, that Carp-Waino-Pineiro can easily be lined up to go 1-2-3 in some sort of hypothetical post-regular season league that would keep playing after the first week of October. If such a thing were to occur. Which I’m not saying that it is. Only that it could be.
that is a good thing though
If we can maintain our lead in the division till the end than screw our end record. It makes more sense to lineup the rotation for the playoffs. Which is easier with our many off days
by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 26, 2009 2:40 AM EDT up reply actions
when can we host the All Star Game again? this is awesome.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I keep seeing you credit the All-Star game...
for all our off days. I’m not saying your wrong, but how does that have anything to do with it?
V, b.
hmmm, ya got me.
Let’s see. Before / after, not counting the break itself. Subject to errorz, of course.
2002 (Brewers) – 8 / 8
2003 (White Sox) – 9 / 6
2004 (Astros) – 10 / 6
2005 (Tigers) – 10 / 4
2006 (Pirates) – 7 / 6
2007 (Giants) – 9 / 6
2008 (Yankees) – 8 / 6
2009 (Cardinals) – 5 / 8
2004 was when they let the computer take over. So there must be some other craziness involved.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Zambrano had admitted earlier that he had been lazy in his between-games abdominal workouts to keep his back strong. He also likes to take mighty cuts in batting practice and he showed why he does it when he hit his game-tying homer in the third.
(Posted this on the game thread on accident. SCHADENFREUDE FAIL)
I don't remember if it's been a topic yet.
But what is going to happen when Glaus joins the team?
It’s like no one speaks of it…but it could be great or it could suck. the old Carlin routine. What’s that in the frig. Is it meat or is it cake? Meatcake.
MO said today
here, that he’ll be a bat off the bench come September. fast forward a few minutes passed the stupid lambs talk to get to MO. he also said (FREE) Allen Craig is still 2nd behind Mr. Freeze’s at 3rd. why they hate him, i’ll never know.
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When Glaus joins the team, it'll be like trading for an allstar,
cept we won’t even have to give anything up.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
You know, hazel...
it really is.
There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
I'll be surprised
if we get anything worthwhile out of Glaus this year. So far he can’t hit AAA pitching.
Wainwright for Cy Young
Pujols for MVP
Carpenter for Jedi of the Year
by musial6 on Aug 26, 2009 2:09 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Don't forget Kobe Rasmon.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
who?
oh. I forgot.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 26, 2009 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought his name was Kolubi Rasumusu
He’s Japanese. His nickname is “Rashomon” because peoples’ measure of his value is totally different depending on their point of view.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Aug 26, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I actually haven't seen it, but I will someday
Seven Samurai and Yojimbo are two of my favorites.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
See it.
Really. No, really. No. Really.
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
by The Continental on Aug 26, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I might be interested in foreign films
if I didn’t have to read. If I enjoyed reading, I would have opened a book sometime between college and now
this is the best subthread ever
On Chris Carpenter in the 2009 Cy Young Race: "He's got one," Wainwright said. "He doesn't need another one."
by tehzachatak on Aug 26, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
ankiel has caused me to lose all faith in humanity
until i learn that we can get the same offensive production from several other bench players and there’s this new guy to take over in center field.
now my faith in humanity is restored.
by EinFesteBusch on Aug 26, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
He's not the lock he was a few months ago.....
He needs to have a good finish to the season. Lots of other guys have stepped it up a notch.
Matt Holliday. Nuff said.
I think a pitcher is getting RoY this year
Colby lost it and none of the other hitters have been as impressive as some of the pitchers.
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
stupid white castle
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 26, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Colby isn't even the Top offensive Candidate any more
that would probably go to McCutchen.
The award is Tommy Hanson’s or JA Happ’s though.
Holy fucking shit
for a horrible second there, I thought you meant Chris. Phew!
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 26, 2009 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I am wondering if Chris is where he went
Either way I hope everything is ok in the Duncan household.
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
+1
I was about to kick a puppy
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Aug 26, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
today and tomorrow...
- http://mediadownloads.mlb.com/mlbam/2009/08/21/mlbtv_6208615_1m.mp4 from here
- http://stltoday.mycapture.com/mycapture/enlarge.asp?image=25244201&event=822459&CategoryID=38580&picnum=16&move=F#Image
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Miller...
That picture was the greatest…Everyone click on the second link and imagine that sight years from now with Miller and Pujols as teammates :)
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
So what does Miller do all winter?
The Texas state playoffs ended in June…. He’s going to through a couple appearances between June and next April? Send him to winter ball in the DR!
Please take this comment in the spirit it was intended.
pretzel party at Colby's house!
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I don't mean to worry you
but there is a possibility, just a possibility, that they may make him Thursty.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 26, 2009 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Bite your fingers for even typing that man.
That’s the most frightening thing I can think of.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 26, 2009 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I say give him the winter off.....
I don’t know how hard he’s been pushed in HS and summer ball, but he is young. Give him the winter off to enjoy before becoming a professional ball player, give his arm a break, then let him start things back up in Spring Training. No rush, IMO.
Matt Holliday. Nuff said.
...the Cubs fans just like to feed their own neuroses, don't they.
Coincidentally, the Cubs began their free fall on July 31 in Florida on the night the Marlins trotted out a billy goat between innings with their mascot.
- Trib
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 26, 2009 8:48 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
aww, the Smolzinski comment got cut out of the early a.m. SC
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Dont get to excited
all the Cubs have to do is hit their career averages and go 17-3 over a stretch and they’ll win the division by 5 games or something…
Forgot to mention this in the ND thread the other day...
Our fine university produced one Steve Bartman. Yeah, you are welcome.
"I'll be glad to have Ryan [Braun] help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy." - Doug Melvin
And was rated #15 Douchiest College in the country by the foremost experts on the subject
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Aug 26, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Damn, mediocre in that too
"I'll be glad to have Ryan [Braun] help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy." - Doug Melvin
Hey, making the top 15 is pretty good
There are a lot of colleges out there.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
...but Bob Jones...is a SERIOUS college?
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Aug 26, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
holy Zack Greinke.
that is all.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
15 Ks but his game score was still lower than A.D.A.M.'s
"I'll be glad to have Ryan [Braun] help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy." - Doug Melvin
OT: Someone on here was discussing whether to face Lee or Kershaw in the playoffs.
I’m starting to seriously doubt that Kershaw is going to be a concern the way the Didgers are falling apart. Anybody got any worries about facing Betty? Other than the whole fact that he might put the ball in someone’s earhole? Funny how 50 games off turned Manny’s power to crap.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 26, 2009 9:12 AM EDT reply actions
Betty is on the Owning Albert For Now list.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Did I just walk into an alternate universe or something?
How is that even possible unless AP is pulling out cuz he doesn’t wanna get knocked out?
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 26, 2009 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions
numberz i has them
Jason Marquis 20ab 5h 1d 0trip 0hr 3 rbi
1bb 2k 0sb 0cs 2gidp
0.250 avg / 0.348 obp / 0.300 slg / 0.648 ops
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 26, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
It's all part of AP's
plan to set up Betty for epic failure in the 2009 playoffs.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Aug 26, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Funny how not being on steroids
turned Manny’s power to crap.
by Cardfanintherock on Aug 26, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I didn't wanna say that
seeing how that was supposed to be for his “other” bat.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 26, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Overheard at ball park last night:
“$9 beers really take the fun out of getting drunk”
My reply:
You know Dan, it really does.
9 dollar beers: My reason for catching a buzz before the game.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 26, 2009 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Talk about paying top dollar for a short-term rental
"I'll be glad to have Ryan [Braun] help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy." - Doug Melvin
by all4tookie on Aug 26, 2009 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I loved those commercials
Carp (or Waino) for NL Cy Young!
by zoomzoomj88 on Aug 26, 2009 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I really like their Extra Stout
The problem is that I’ve come to like more and more strongly flavored beer, and so now when I drink a normal Guinness it almost seems bland and watery. I never thought I’d describe Guinness as bland and watery (and someone who knows more about these things would probably tell me it has something to do with the bottling vs. tap processes, and they’d probably be right) but last time I had one (admittedly from a bottle) it tasted like that. But Extra Stout is great.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
yes, not nearly as good from the bottle
and it has to be ppoyured right and served at the right temp if from the tap, which admittedly it normally is not. But you’re not entirely off base in your assessment. Rogue Shakespeare Stout and Samuel Smith Oatmeal Stout, e.g., are fuller more robust stouts to be sure. I spring for them once in a while. But those are ‘specialty beers’ and Guinness is still in my mind an everyday beverage, a working man’s drink that’s not not too expensive. In that sorta limiting context, its fantastic.
When drinking Guinness at home
I much prefer the can. Bottled Guinness always seems off to me, but the can seems the closest to on-tap.
Plus, the cans are full U.S. pints, so additional win.
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
by The Continental on Aug 26, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm gonna have to look for it in cans sometime then
I still like it, and I’m pretty sure part of the reason it was bland last time I had it was because of the proximity to drinking something else that had more “umph” to it.
Oh, and Rogue Shakespeare Stout is awesome.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
if you're in STL, acquaint yourself w/ Randall's on Jefferson
if you haven’t already. Then just be the kid in the candy store, trying every stout they carry (*not all in one night) until you find one you like the best
Is there a place that has decent stout other than Guiness on tap around here?
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
yeah
tap room and bottle works
The bible declares an eye for an eye, so, let us now take our vengeance on this murderous ocean. . . You won't be hurting anyone anymore
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Aug 26, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe The Stable in Benton Park
I know they have some good imports and microbrews on tap. I’m sure the international tap house has some as well. You’ll get better responses if you ask over at Stlhops.com
where
is a good place to drink near Busch? I am driving from BC, Canada to Ontario the end of this month, and then driving home through the States, hitting Cincinnati, St. Louis (the entire Cubs series with great dugout seats!), KC, and then Denver including catching the Cards-Rox series. I drink Pale Ale here and want to quaff plenty of the same in a great sports venue in St. Louis. It is my first visit in 50 years as a Cards fan, although I used to see them play in Montreal, even Lou Brock in the old Jarry Park, before the Olympic Stadium.
by kkkkathmandubirdsview on Aug 26, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone have ESPN insider?
Not sure if this blasphemy has been discussed or not, but I don’t have insider and am somewhat intrigued.
it only took them nine years...
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 26, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah, they finally cracked the code they've been working on for nine years one series before the ASG
this is just silly. You can get him to chase low and away with some regularity, but that’s been evident for a while. The only other thing I’d say is that the ability to “hit to all fields” has been somewhat exaggerated. He has the capacity I’m sure, but really its not his forte. He usually poses the biggest threat with the pulled line drive/homer or the scorcher down the third base line. Maybe there’s a way to see what pitches lead to those outcomes and guard against it. But I’m sure they figured that out long ago and have been pitching him that way for years (he already sees the least percentage of balls over the plate as a proportion of total pitches, doesn’t he?). What Pujols capitalizes on are mistakes. Always has, always will.
yep
it’s just that Albert’s idea of a “mistake” is missing your spot by less than an inch…
As DeRo said of Albert…
This game! It’s so easy! See the ball, hit the ball.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 26, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
The great Zack Greinke once said
“Every hitter is human. Except Pujols.”
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
he once said it a few months ago, too
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 26, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
He also poses a threat with the shot straight up the middle
I can think of two pitchers he has knocked out of the game with that one.
by Cardfanintherock on Aug 26, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Two Hipsters Angrily Call Each Other 'Hipster'
AUSTIN, TX—An argument between local hipsters Dan Walters and Brian Guterman has devolved to the point where each is angrily calling the other “hipster,” those close to the pair reported Monday. “Hey, hipster! Here’s 12 bucks—why don’t you go get yourself a bucket of PBRs at the Gold Mine?” Walters, 22, is said to have told Guterman, 22, invoking the name of a local bar known for its “poseur” clientele. “Whatever you say, scenester,” Guterman allegedly replied. “Don’t you have a Death Cab For Cutie show to be at right now?” Acquaintances of Guterman and Walters trace the long-running conflict back to high school, when they reportedly threw pencils at each other and argued about who was more “emo.”
Heh. "Scenester" is even funnier than Hipster in a way
What is it about PBR anyway? I mean, I like Pabst. But how did it become a hipster cliche?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
asking that question
proves you are not a hipster, well done.
by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 26, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Apparently
it is ironically cool to drink PBR. However, if you are like me and drink Miller Lite, you are decidedly uncool, because it is a proletarian drink. If however, I would blashpeme and drink Old Style, I would get points for my ironic coolness. If you sneak a can of Stag into a hipster bar, you are the new king.
the tin can bar is the local hipster hide out
by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 26, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
It's hard to keep track of the ironic/un-ironic dichotomy sometimes.
Thanks for the info guys.
What saddens me is that sometimes I do just want a simple cheap beer like Stag or Strohs or PBR or Rainier (Northwest reference what) but those bastards have to sully it. And then I am forced to look in the mirror and admit to myself that I definitely lean more to the hipster side of the universe than the douchebag side. Sometimes that scares me.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
just keep your hair washed and you'll be ok.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 26, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
the best way to stop a hipster
is to not care that he is a hipster
Holliday: "Albert, Carp and I have been talking about it and we think we know what your problem is. You've been tipping your swings." I expect no further problems.
not caring what others think
is the first step to being a hipster, a fine line to walk
by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 26, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
to be a nonconformist
you have to look, dress, and act like us.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
HOW food/beverages can have external attribulation
is beyond me. Generally speaking, when in doubt, if the Loop crowd is doing it, it’s hipster. Please don’t think the loop crowd dictates what’s cool…they just follow faster. The trickle effect is: The Loop Hipsters, then it goes to the CWE, then the SLU/WASHU south city crowd catches on, then finally mainstream at all the suburbs.
It’s cute.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
Wait, what if I
don’t want to be on any spectrum whose endpoints are “hipster” and “douchebag”? I want a new paradigm.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Aug 26, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Easy
Don’t do things to please other people while claiming you’re doing them because you don’t care about what other people think.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Aug 26, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
is this like a fortune cookie?
…in bed.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
Where does a redneck financial advisor fit in the hipster-douchebag spectrum?
I forgot to take the quiz the other day.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
depends....
are you a redneck that advises finance or a financial advisor to the rednecks??
either way I bet Busch and Nat’ly are involved
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
I'm just gonna sit back with my bottle of Shiner Bock,
and be glad I’m too old to worry with that crap.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 26, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Kewl,
One of my nephews goes to Shinerfest every year down there. Won some prize once for drinking more than anybody there… I think he had a hangover for two or three days.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 26, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Wowie Zowie...
Well, I hope he learned a lesson… moderation, even with really good beer.
I went to college in Dallas, which is where I learned about Shiner. I think Shiner is somewhat insulated from being Hipster-fied, at least outside of Texas.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
once the hipsters get thier hands on something
nothing is shielded.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
If they hipsterfy Shiner,
I might get pissed.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 26, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he did.
He was the one that started me on it. I was never so happy as when they started selling it here. Then I found out that they had it in Chicago for a couple of years earlier….one more reason to hate Chicago.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 26, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha
Stupid Chicago.
Funny story (at least to me): Recently I looked up gooey butter cake on Wikipedia to try and see exactly how it originated. It mentioned somewhere that St. Louis Bread Company/Panera makes a gooey butter danish, which I knew.
Out of curiosity, I clicked the Panera link to see the Wikipedia page on that. There was one photo of a Panera/Bread Co. location in the entire page. It was a location in The Loop… the Chicago Loop. Those bastards!
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
What I like most about Schlitz
is the word “Schlitz.” It describes both the beverage you’re drinking and what you become when you have too much, e.g., “Dude, I can’t drive, I’m totally Schlitz.”
by MdRedbirdFreak on Aug 26, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I hear that
When I get drunk I try to find a girl that is “Busch Light”
by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 26, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Don't you love how they call Busch
the banquet beer?
Wait for it……..
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
This is the kind of comment that could get real dirty, real quick
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
FWIW, Neyer's Cy Young predictor
now has Carp and Wainright at #2 and #3, respectively, very close behind Lincecum. Also, there are now a wildly implausible five closers in the top 10 (Franklin is tied for #8 overall, tied for #4 among closers).
by BTown Birds fan on Aug 26, 2009 10:32 AM EDT reply actions
yeah
really, really isn’t on there.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 26, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought for sure that
would be on there…
…
Wait, who are we talking about? I’ve suddenly forgotten.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
this is weird.
On Chris Carpenter in the 2009 Cy Young Race: "He's got one," Wainwright said. "He doesn't need another one."
by tehzachatak on Aug 26, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
if Carp and Wainwright can just corner Timmy in a dark alley
and cut off all his hair…
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 26, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
it's hard for me to respect a ranking
that has verlander #1 and greinke #8
Holliday: "Albert, Carp and I have been talking about it and we think we know what your problem is. You've been tipping your swings." I expect no further problems.
Greinke's gotten lit up too many times this season.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 26, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah.........
but also has an ERA almost a full run less than verlander with only ~11 less k’s in one less start
Holliday: "Albert, Carp and I have been talking about it and we think we know what your problem is. You've been tipping your swings." I expect no further problems.
i never said anything about verlander
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 26, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
you're response was to my assertation that i can't respect a ranking that has
greinke #8 and verlander #1.
so therefore i assumed that you were putting forth the reason greinke was ranked so far behind verlander was to paraphrase “getting lit up too many times this season”
Holliday: "Albert, Carp and I have been talking about it and we think we know what your problem is. You've been tipping your swings." I expect no further problems.
so I can't talk solely about greinke being #8?
sorry, geez.
I’m not saying I agree with the ranking, see mattybobo’s point. But I wanted to address why it could drop.
I think part of it is that Verlander has allowed more home runs… but there’s the perception that he generally deals after that. His WPA for the home run games still barely averages out to positive. In only 4 of those games did Verlander’s WPA dip under -.100. Greinke is about half and half, and his average is negative.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 26, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
In any case
Greinke has given up 5 runs twice, is there a single pitcher in the big leagues who has done that less?
Not afraid to nitpick
Good god
Reading his inning totals made me sound crazy. 7 8 8 7 89 898979798989797
Not afraid to nitpick
I now see Carpenter as
the Luggage Neo
by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 26, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Being a stathead is kinda like the characters in the Matrix who just watched the monitors with the green text
We can just watch scrolling numbers in our mothers’ basements. We can read the green glow and understand everything that’s going on.
Or so we wish, according to sports writers.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
What is baseball? How do you define baseball? If you’re talking about what you can play, what you can hit, pitch and field then baseball is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
And what's even cooler is that
there is only one partial-inning game in there, i.e., everything is 7.0, 6.0, etc., which means he’s never just tanking in the middle of an inning.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Aug 26, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
And Im going thursday
To see Carp.0
The bible declares an eye for an eye, so, let us now take our vengeance on this murderous ocean. . . You won't be hurting anyone anymore
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Aug 26, 2009 12:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't think it's a true "ranking"
It’s just trying to predict how the voting is going to go down. I wouldn’t doubt that Neyer would put Greinke higher up on his own personal ranking for who actually deserves it.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
"You gotta let it eat."
I love the look on Adam’s face.
…keep your pants on, y’all.
(Then SC notes that you gotta let Franklin’s beard eat, too. They think.)
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I'd probably sleep for two straight days too.
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
by The Continental on Aug 26, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
but not before going to see a doctor.
you’re bound to have picked up something special along the way.
by Cardfanintherock on Aug 26, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Love Potion No. 9
Reminds me of the sorority house scene from Love Potion No. 9 set to the piece from The Barber of Seville.
Don't argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. - anon.
it would be pretty cool to have sex on the field
by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 26, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Would that be hitting the true Home Run?
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 26, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
That's what you call, "one of those good problems."
I love when we’re concerned about one of our awesome pitchers stealing votes from another one of our awesome pitchers.
Gregatron is not responsible for any of the crap he just wrote.
St. Louis vegetarian blog
by Gregatron on Aug 26, 2009 11:52 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
great photo
On Chris Carpenter in the 2009 Cy Young Race: "He's got one," Wainwright said. "He doesn't need another one."
by tehzachatak on Aug 26, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
i mightve missed it
Because I skimmed through the comments but timmy will have some votes taken from him by matt cain, as long as cain continues to pitch well also, dan haren has been good but he hasn’t been just flat out dominant like carp or waino
Pujols takes out "I" in BIG and "A" in MAC, previously considered to be an unyielding, consonant threat
by DESTROYER on Aug 26, 2009 11:59 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
SHAME ON YOU
HE SHALT NOT BE NAMED
On Chris Carpenter in the 2009 Cy Young Race: "He's got one," Wainwright said. "He doesn't need another one."
by tehzachatak on Aug 26, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
It's Not Like...
…he’s one of the Old Ones from Cthuluh or anything…
:=8/
My hovercraft is full of eels!
:=8O
Is it too early for magic numbers?
It’s 29
The bible declares an eye for an eye, so, let us now take our vengeance on this murderous ocean. . . You won't be hurting anyone anymore
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Aug 26, 2009 12:39 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
The GOBs enjoy the Magic Number
Specifically because “Magic” implies the certain mysterious aspect which they control. So in a way it is a tribute to them.
Not afraid to nitpick
My bad
The bible declares an eye for an eye, so, let us now take our vengeance on this murderous ocean. . . You won't be hurting anyone anymore
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Aug 26, 2009 12:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I like how we assume the GOB are stupid.
I prefer to think they’re omniscient, in which case we’re all screwed.
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
I wouldn't mind going to bed tonight
knowing that the Cardinals are 20 games above .500 and 10 games ahead in the Central Division.
by Cardfanintherock on Aug 26, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
an embarrassment of riches
this recent surge has got me pondering something that has heretofore been far back on the shelf, namely, the possibility that the Cardinals could finish with the best record in the NL, and thus be in a “better” playoff position.
Clearly the home field advantage sounds important, but personally I would rather play the Dodgers or the Phillies FIRST — in the five-gave playoff — taking advantage or our (arguably) stronger front three starting pitchers.
The Giants have the best starting three, and I don’t want within a thousand miles of Coors Field (let someone else try to beat whichever one of these two is the wild card.)
I have great trepidation about facing anyone coming out of the Wild Card.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 26, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Or Ubaldo Jimenez
He seems like a perfect fit for the “I usually have a faint clue where my stuff is going, but I’m going to turn into Greg Maddux” award for this year.
Not afraid to nitpick
Yeah...
But they’ve kicked our ass for like three years in a row, and Ryan Howard morphs into Babe fucking Ruth at Busch. They scare the hell out of me.
V, b.
Yeah
Well, the 2006 Mets had Carlos Beltran, who morphs into Albert fucking Pujols against the Cardinals in the playoffs.
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Aug 26, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
WPA after twenty weeks
per Fangraphs
Hitters
Team Total: 0.549 (7th in NL, 12th in majors)
Best 3: Pujols (5.633, 2nd in NL & MLB), Ludwick (1.085), Holliday (1.928)
Worst 3 (non-P): Ankiel ( -1.662, 4th worst in NL), T.Greene ( -.986), Thurston ( -.823) [PITCHERS: -3.341, Wainwright -.831]
Best lineup spot: 3rd (5.680); worst: 9th ( -3.216), otherwise 7th ( -1.725)
Best WPA by (non-P) position: 1B (5.352); worst: 3B ( -2.096) [Pinch hitters + DH: -1.284] (The numbers for the 3rd basemen haven’t improved, but have stabilized after the insertion of DeRosa.)
Best single-game performance: Molina 8/16 v SD (.622); worst: Ankiel on 6/18 v Tigers ( -.348)
Best Plate Appearance: Pujols’ Grand-slam v CIN 7/3 (.506); worst: Greene’s game-ending DP on 4/17 ( -.290)
Starters
Team Total: 5.669 (3rd in NL, 5th in majors)
Best to worst: Carp (4.438, 1st in MLB), Wainwright (3.705, 6th in MLB), Pineiro, Smoltz, Walters, Lohse, Boggs, Thompson, Welley ( -2.251, Worst in NL)
Best single-game performance: Wainwright v HOU last night (.586); worst: Pineiro v NYN 8/4 ( -.565)
Relievers
Team Total: 3.319 (3rd in NL, 6th in majors)
Best to worst: Franklin (2.847, 1st in NL), Miller (1.252), McClellan, Hawksworth, Perez, Boggs, Todd, Mortensen, Walters, Boyer, Motte, Thompson, Reyes, Welley, Kinney ( -.770)
Best single-game performance: Hawksworth’s 3-extra-innings v LA 7/29 (.416); worst: Motte on Day 1 ( -.833)
Pitching
Who are we beating up: 5-hitters ( -2.453) & shortstops ( -1.966), plus pitchers ( -3.233)
Who is beating us up: leadoff guys (.292) & 1st basemen (1.177)
Best inning – hitting: 4th (1.667); pitching: 9th (2.490); overall: 8th (2.858)
Worst inning – hitting: 2nd ( -3.377); pitching: 1st ( -.890); overall: 2nd ( -1.714)
Last 29 games (since Holliday, 13 games over .500): Batting 2.853, Starters 2.577, Relievers 1.064
Trending up: Holliday (1.928), Wainwright (1.654), Carpenter (1.597), Franklin (.913), Ryan (.883), Pujols (.815), Hawksworth (.694), Miller (.563), Rasmus (.492)
Trending down: Wellemeyer ( -.722), Lohse ( -.513), Motte ( -.481)
As bad as the back half of the lineup has been this year (spots 5-9 are all at least -.987, combined -8.184), our pitching has rendered almost the entire opposition lineup below average. Leadoff (.292) & 6-hitters (.138) still cling to hope, but every other spot in the order is a drag on their offense versus our staff.
Don't argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. - anon.
thanks
Positronic Upgraded Juggernaut Optimized for Logical Sabotage
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 26, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he actually is a relation.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Lou pinella
Hehe
The bible declares an eye for an eye, so, let us now take our vengeance on this murderous ocean. . . You won't be hurting anyone anymore
by Buddhasillegitimatechild38 on Aug 26, 2009 3:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Some stat-geeks might say worst single season OPS of all time,
but I say grittiest and most hard-fought seasons of all time!
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
Duncan to be back tonight
Won’t elaborate on personal issues.
Per Goold on Twitter
Carp (or Waino) for NL Cy Young!
I enjoy Goold's depiction of our top three starters
http://i44.tinypic.com/140dqhu.jpg
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
back in my table top rpg games
I would visit this place called The Game Emporium almost every week… ah to live with the parents, and have so much disposable income
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 26, 2009 1:58 PM EDT reply actions
did you evolve out of table top rpg games into baseball obsession?
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by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 26, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
nope
baseball obsession has always been there to some extent, it evolved into music obsession. but then I found veb and it renewed my baseball obsession. the new stats and such definitely have some parallels to table top rpgs!
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 26, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
nice
i went from legos in my parent’s basement to cardinals obsession
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by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 26, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I used to host my own music show on Public Access TV
in my parent’s basement, but I have refitted into total Cardinal regalia.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
oh man
I was totally into legos until my teenage years. I had some cousins that were twins that were still playing with them into their 20s
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 26, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
i got out of legos towards the end and more into knex...
i still will wander into the lego section whenever my wife and i are at toys’r’us just to see what is out nowadays… the star wars stuff is pretty cool, but the rest of it is really lacking in my opinion
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by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 26, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
when's the Matt Holliday Lego coming out?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 26, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Go to the Lego store or Legoland
They have some stuff now that would make me break my vow never to buy any more of that stuff for myself. But that’s why God invented nephews. Hehe.
Don't argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. - anon.
I didn't realize that we were related until now
Oh, a different set of twins that played with Legos into their 20’s, sorry [steps back quietly]
Don't argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. - anon.
So listening to Bernie's show and it seems as if Duncan is really upset with the Cardinals
I can’t believe that trading Chris Duncan (rather than outright releasing him) has led to Dave Duncan potentially leaving the organization
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by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 26, 2009 2:10 PM EDT reply actions
great
well, i’m hoping we can keep Chris Carpenter, then.
6ly, what was said? before we start spreading rumors and speculation…
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
He is saying that:
1) He was deeply upset by the fact that they dealt Chris (from the 25 man roster) for a guy who was D.F.A.’d. Basically implying that somebody in the organization had an axe to grind with Chris and that it happened too soon (meaning that they had no idea it was going down) for him to be comfortable.
2) He is also not on speaking terms with the PD (save for the update today to Goold) because they took it personally when Strass, Bernie, etc… published his statistics as evidence that he was doing poorly or possibly hurt.
About the second issue. It really shocked me during the Chris Duncan interview on the afternoon show (the fastlane) when he mentioned Bernie Miklasz as someone who picked on him. When, if you listened to or read Bernie on a regular basis, you couldn’t possibly mistake him as anything but pro-Chris Duncan. He got that impression from someone/somewhere, and I guess that now I wouldn’t be suprised if it was Dave telling him this stuff.
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by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 26, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
whoops
didnt mean to bold that last part
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by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 26, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
thanks
hmmm.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Seems rehashing of news
1) is what Dave said the day the trade happened. Probably linking Dave taking a personal day yesterday to a slow news day to get the phones moving.
Or maybe someone fucking knew what they were doing
A MIFer hitting .291 .345 .481 with the Cardinals isn’t good enough for him?
Not afraid to nitpick
6ly?
He’s thinking of leaving the organization?
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Aug 26, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Why is this a shock?
1) He made that big bitchfest in the paper about acquiring a player with no leverage and how it was really odd.
2) He won’t talk to the P-D anymore because of “unfair” coverage of Chris Duncan.
3) It’s been said around here on numerous occasions that he and Tony were pissed about that trade.
This should surprise no one. He was really ticked off at the time and even more so after the Red Sox released Chris (confirming Dave’s fears and suspicions) recently.
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It's not a shock that he's upset that his son was traded, then cut
It’s a shock (to me, at least) that a (seemingly) professional man is being very unprofessional about the whole situation, IMO.
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Aug 26, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly what I was thinking
Cody Mckay was released wasn’t he? There didn’t seem to be a big deal from Dave Mckay when that happened… he even pitched scoreless relief with a knuckleball didn’t he?
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by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 26, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not surprised. just disappointed.
It seems to have been wiped off the face of the internet, but DD did get into a physical spat with someone who insulted Chris. I still remember that video of just after the altercation.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
really
when was this?
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by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 26, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
oh, ages ago. Chris was still coming up.
some coach on another team said something, probably about nepotism, and Dave threw a punch. I still remember La Russa trying to say something neutral about it.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
was the gerald perry in pittsburgh?
i remember that scuffle… but i didn’t realize that it was about this
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by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 26, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm possibly wrong
let me see…
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
the internets are failing me
Or, possibly I have boarded the failboat again.
Dave Duncan is a vigorous defender of his sons, to the point that La Russa used a news conference before Game 1 to warn a newspaper that criticized Chris Duncan’s outfield defense.
"I would suggest them staying away from Dunc, because they called Chris brutal," La Russa said. "I would fear for their safety, whoever is associated with that scouting report, because he would hurt them."
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
i'm gonna have to agree with az
you are surprised?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
interesting
seems like that would be a little selfish
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 26, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
an interesting thought experiment...
what are the rules for a player traded and then brought back? can they be added to a playoff roster?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I think the more important question is
If we don’t bring him back but win the World Series, is Chris Duncan still allowed to dry hump the trophy?
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Aug 26, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
are players' kids allowed in the locker room? are coaches?
are coaches, if their children are 28 years old?
if so, then the answer could be “yes!”
R.P.O.F.Y.M.
Yeah, but
Chris played some games for us this season. He’d get a ring. Why not a go-round with the trophy?
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Aug 26, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
If they got a ring.
/corrected
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Don't worry, Y2S
The conditional statement was in my previous post in the thread
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Aug 26, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Not a good sign
I hope that the two sides can come to terms.
I understand that Dave is upset, but why is he taking it out on us as much as he is? Everyone knows that Lil Dunc was struggling terribly, and Lugo’s done a good job for us. You’d think that DD would understand the professional side of the trade – but apparently, it’s not the case. Since Dave is upset with us, what’s DD gonna do if the Yanks release Shelley? Is he going to put on the same show?
Carp (or Waino) for NL Cy Young!
Dave is pissed and not talking to the PD
big f’ing deal. Is he still coaching well? Has he become a distraction to his pitching staff? I don’t think so. Who gives a rat’s ass that our pitching coach isn’t on speaking terms with the local columnists.
the Cubs are worth $845 million?
Well, the Cubs and part of their broadcasting network.
ok then… the Sauks went for $660 million all-inclusive in 2002.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
OT
Has anyone heard the radio commercial where the rapper fonzworth bentley is rapping about going to college?
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