The Back of the List
A long time ago, in internet years, I did a recurring—and usually never-ending, given my working habits—feature about the lowercase-p prospects who would not make Baseball America's top twenty but were still worth a look. I called it: the Not-Top Twenty. Today, with Future Redbirds and Baseball-Reference making it dead simple to follow every last minor leaguer in the system (I think that's the Richard Racobaldo bandwagon I hear puttering around outside my house), that's not quite so valuable a public service. But now that the team's lost both its Impact Player and the cream of its starting depth, these guys who'll be fighting for a spot on the back of the list are going to find themselves in the blog spotlight by default.
I don't have a top twenty list, but if I did these guys, hereby disqualified, would certainly be on it: Shelby Miller, Jaime Garcia, Daryl Jones, David Freese, Allen Craig, Daniel Descalso, Lance Lynn, Wagner Mateo, Pete Kozma, Eduardo Sanchez, Tyler Henley, Fransisco Samuel (for some reason), Adam Ottavino, Jon Jay, The Ghost of Bryan Anderson, Aaron Luna, Charles Cutler, Casey Mulligan, Robert Stock... that class of player, broadly speaking, from maybe-an-impact-player to probably-a-useful-player. If your favorite fringe guy isn't mentioned after the jump, you can assume he's either hidden among these guys or I forgot about him (whichever fits your narrative.)
FOUR FRINGE STARTERS
The Cardinals love this guy. He probably throws in the prospect low-nineties, which run from 87-91; he probably has a slider he doesn't throw very often and a two-seam fastball; he might be big, like Lance Lynn, but if he is it's only used in prospect rankings like this: "Pitcher X looks like he should have overpowering stuff, but finesse was the key to his success in his four years at the University of..."
At times it's seemed like the Cardinals don't feel ready to spring for a Shelby Miller-type, high risk and high upside, unless the system is stocked with at least ten guys who have a one in five shot at sitting at the other end of the rotation in five years. It's been a rough year for these guys—Clay Mortensen and Jess Todd both left via trade, Mitchell Boggs and P.J. Walters were graduated into the noble profession of sixth starter, and Tyler Herron is now a Pirate. But if I were a betting man I'd lay my vast Birdos fortune on it: the International Brotherhood of Pitching to Contact is just biding its time, waiting for the right draft to reload.
SCOTT GORGEN
4th Round, 2008
| AGE | LG | W | L | ERA | G | IP | K | BB | HR | K:BB |
| 21 | SS | 5 | 2 | 2.32 | 14 | 54.1 | 60 | 17 | 3 | 3.53 |
| 22 | A+ | 3 | 5 | 2.92 | 14 | 74.0 | 73 | 32 | 7 | 2.28 |
| 22 | AA | 3 | 4 | 4.93 | 8 | 38.1 | 33 | 29 | 4 | 1.14 |
Gorgen's a rough fit into the Cardinals' usual fringe starter mold—he doesn't have a great fastball, and his major league prospects are both cloudy and low-upside, but he's also a short, strikeout-first guy whose out pitch is a sharp curveball.
He began his Cardinals career in prototypical Polished Collegiate fashion, signing early enough to dominate short-season ball, and his stint in Palm Beach was similarly encouraging. Now, at 22, he's already reached a momentous occasion in the life of any college pitcher—he's reached a point where he is no longer old for his league. Which is not to say it's gone well.
It'll be interesting to see how Gorgen's even K:BB ratio resolves itself; it's a popular (if not consistently accurate) idea that guys like this, who strike out a low-minors batter an inning without a scout's pitch, are doing it with smoke and mirrors, and that as they climb the ladder the P.J. Walters effect kicks in and either their command falters, as their nibbling stops drawing swinging strikes, or their strikeouts fall as they're forced to pitch more in the zone. So far his strikeout rate is still high, but his numbers have borne an increasingly suspicious resemblance to Blake King.
RICHARD CASTILLO
VENEZUELA, 2007
| AGE | LG | W | L | ERA | G | IP | K | BB | HR | K:BB |
| 18 | A | 8 | 4 | 2.62 | 13 | 79.0 | 69 | 20 | 11 | 3.45 |
| 18 | A+ | 1 | 0 | 1.12 | 6 | 16.0 | 19 | 8 | 0 | 2.38 |
| 19 | A+ | 5 | 12 | 4.27 | 26 | 128.2 | 90 | 62 | 4 | 1.45 |
It's slim consolation to a guy who, had he come along three or four years earlier than he did, in the minor league dark ages, would have been a mysterious superhero, but Richard Castillo is on a pace that might win him the Stu Pomeranz Lifetime Achievement Award. There are two things that confound the idea of being young for one's league as an indicator of future success: one is being a pitcher, and another is playing in an organization that pushes everybody aggressively up the chain. In the post-Luhnow era, Castillo hits both marks.
Small (5'11", 165) and apparently invisible to scouts, Castillo reached full-season ball at 18 after a nice year with the VSL Cardinals and had a brief stint as Sleeper Prospect #1 after appearing without fanfare on Palm Beach's roster last summer. Demoted to the Quad Cities to work as a starter, he showed off solid command and a fastball that sat at prospect-90, which again could be anything.
In Palm Beach all year he's been so strikingly average as to fall back from whence he came on midseason prospect lists. It's interesting—from the way the Cardinals have handled him, allowing him to throw 128 innings as a 19 year-old, I can almost infer that they don't think he's a prospect, either. He allows a ton of fly balls, and while they haven't left the park very often he's spent the entire year in the FSL, where home runs would go to die if their planes didn't keep landing short of the warning track.
But he's not totally without desirable qualities; he is still very young, a year and a half or so ahead of the game, and in the second half his K:BB has improved from 1.24 to 1.71, with both his strikeout and walk rates moving in the right direction. Moving from the FSL to the Texas League, and having to contend with both the major adjustment between the low and high minors and a hitter's league, is a big deal for finesse pitchers; he's in prospect limbo until he makes the jump.
NICK ADDITON
46th Round, 2006 (Draft and Follow)
| AGE | LG | W | L | ERA | G | IP | K | BB | HR | K:BB |
| 20 | A/A+ | 11 | 5 | 2.23 | 28 | 137.0 | 121 | 40 | 13 | 3.03 |
| 21 | A+ | 4 | 3 | 3.06 | 19 | 79.1 | 66 | 37 | 1 | 1.78 |
| 21 | AA | 2 | 2 | 3.29 | 5 | 27.1 | 16 | 16 | 3 | 1.00 |
Hey—it's another guy who's young for his leagues and has underwhelming stuff! Additon has two advantages over Gorgen and Castillo, as he both looks like a pitcher (6'3", 170) and throws left-handed. At this point it should be apparent that a Cardinal prospect's youth in relation to his league should be considered, first, an artifact of the system, and not any particular skill he possesses, but Additon justified his early moves with a sterling 2008 with low-A Quad Cities.
The problem is that in spite of Additon's heretofore attractive strikeout numbers, he is a born soft-tosser; he gets two outs in the air for every groundout, he's got a fastball that apparently hits 87 and a 59 mph "change up" that noted guest-blogger Christy Mathewson would recognize as a Slow Ball. Without Castillo's age or Gorgen's college pedigree, Additon is the ultimate "numbers pitcher", a class who gets increasingly little support from either side as stats and scouting converge; he can't afford to continue pegging the even mark with his K:BB ratio for much longer.
That said, all of these guys have significant problems; that's why they're fighting for spots at the back of the prospect list.
| AGE | LG | W | L | ERA | G | IP | K | BB | HR | K:BB |
| 22 | A+ | 1 | 3 | 3.76 | 10 | 38.1 | 30 | 15 | 1 | 2.00 |
| 23 | A+ | 5 | 3 | 3.12 | 15 | 69.1 | 58 | 26 | 3 | 2.23 |
| 23 | AA | 1 | 1 | 6.43 | 5 | 21.0 | 6 | 11 | 3 | 0.55 |
| AGE | LG | G | AB | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | AVG | OBP | SLG |
| 22 | A+/AA | 128 | 469 | 126 | 27 | 0 | 19 | 90 | .269 | .332 | .448 |
| 23 | AA | 70 | 245 | 59 | 11 | 0 | 8 | 29 | .241 | .338 | .384 |
| 24 | AA/AAA | 80 | 256 | 77 | 18 | 0 | 13 | 43 | .301 | .397 | .523 |
this guy is as big and powerful as chris duncan but has a much shorter, more direct swing. he just turned 25 years old a couple weeks ago; probably wouldn’t hit for average in the big leagues, but would draw walks and hit for power.
| AGE | LG | G | AB | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | AVG | OBP | SLG |
| 22 | SS/A | 72 | 300 | 96 | 20 | 1 | 12 | 55 | .320 | .355 | .513 |
| 23 | A+/AA | 76 | 287 | 84 | 15 | 3 | 17 | 48 | .293 | .334 | .544 |
| 24 | AA | 106 | 414 | 117 | 23 | 2 | 19 | 59 | .283 | .332 | .486 |
| AGE | LG | G | AB | H | 2B | 3B | HR | SO | AVG | OBP | SLG |
| 19 | SS/A | 81 | 271 | 51 | 8 | 5 | 2 | 69 | .188 | .272 | .277 |
| 20 | A/A+ | 113 | 394 | 80 | 14 | 4 | 18 | 156 | .203 | .272 | .396 |
| 21 | A+ | 101 | 293 | 67 | 14 | 4 | 7 | 87 | .229 | .306 | .375 |
| AGE | LG | G | AB | H | 2B | 3B | HR | SO | AVG | OBP | SLG |
| 19 | SS/A | 66 | 247 | 71 | 17 | 1 | 4 | 69 | .287 | .383 | .413 |
| 20 | A | 61 | 208 | 41 | 6 | 1 | 1 | 58 | .197 | .295 | .250 |
| 20 | SS | 56 | 199 | 39 | 8 | 1 | 2 | 43 | .196 | .283 | .276 |
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that's me on the Matt Adams bandwagon
Which is coming up right behind the Raco express…..
Also some love for Xavier Scruggs!
(What can I say? I really like my gaudy numbered college first basemen. I guess you could call that my…..prospect fetish?)
I like Matt Carpenter.....
Seems like the kind of player that turns into a decent 3B/LF type. Blanking on any comparisons right now, but I’m curious to see what he does next year.
Matt Holliday. Nuff said.
by SoonerfanTU on Aug 24, 2009 8:59 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
it's hard not to like a guy who jumps three levels in his first half season.
even if he is a college slugger.
most definitely a prospect to watch. on the other hand, you could do a second feature just on 2009 draft guys who are exciting but for whom we have no background — it would look sort of like RB’s draft summary from a week ago.
charles cutler is disappointed in his snub, danup.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
nm, you put him in your top twenty. that'll teach me to read carefully.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
If I didn't get that bandwagon on the road
I at least get to hold the maps. Top 20 is probably aggressive, but I don’t think this system goes very deep before everybody’s similarly flawed.
that sounds about right.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
adron chambers? at some point when you hit right at #30, it is shifting the storied
Titanic deck chairs, but he would be my next choice.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
eh
he’s kinda struggled since getting to palm beach, but that’s to be expected i suppose…my thing is, he has yet to hit a homer and his SLG% is low for a 3rd baseman/LF type…there is no question he can hit though, and his BB% are strong
more on the matt adams bandwagon, but i like carpenter too
They are all Vasquezing me though
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
I don’t think Matt Carp was ever supposed to be a home run-like slugger; the most he ever hit was 11 in his last two years at TCU, and both of those were in 200-plus at bats, and yet he had slugging percentages of .522 and .662. He’s starting to hit again in Palm Beach, which is good—after being bumped up three levels in short order, he was bound to hit a wall and go through an adjustment period.
I think he can end up being Joe Thurston
perhaps with a bit more upside. I like him.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 25, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Is there a link or tutorial
for doing tables on SB? I’ve been curious to learn how it’s done.
The guy who really needs to come back to earth is Julio Lugo. He flat-out sucks, or at least he did until he sold his soul at the foot of the Gateway Arch. by Not Bruce Froemming BCB
any html table tutes will do it
what you really want to learn is “border=1” or “border=0” and cellpadding.
I have not figured out how to import from spreadsheets, though.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
thanks.....
that points me.
The guy who really needs to come back to earth is Julio Lugo. He flat-out sucks, or at least he did until he sold his soul at the foot of the Gateway Arch. by Not Bruce Froemming BCB
if you're totally lazy and not inclined to mess w/ the html, make a table in word
and use the “paste from word feature.” that’s how i do it. it’s not as pretty, but it works.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
This is along my
lines of thinking….Lazy, and I’ll get to it tomorrow. I think it’s time for a Franklin.
The guy who really needs to come back to earth is Julio Lugo. He flat-out sucks, or at least he did until he sold his soul at the foot of the Gateway Arch. by Not Bruce Froemming BCB
that is an excellent idea.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Name your favorite striped stirrups rook!
Besides Reyes. Or if you did like him, him and who else?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Ankiel(the pitcher)
those+the sick curve=Awesome
No excuses. No injuries. No "better luck next time"
Do it, and shut the f—- up.
-Reggie Jackson
Sadly,
those were usually stirrup-painted socks.

and

"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
did anyone else do that, spants?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Oh, I'm sure.
I don’t know who, though. As far as I can recall, no one from that era wore high socks other than Rick.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
Apparently Red has gotten lazy.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
when 900 years you reach, pulling up your stirrups, so easy it will not be.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Aug 24, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
that's what I was about to say
bending over is not as easy as it looks after a certain age
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 24, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I know you know I'm kidding.
The others, I’m not so sure.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
I love the little details...
When/how did that get started, anyway? Was that just in the last 10-15 years? I was kind of pre-occupied and/or out of town at that time.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Delino's were real.

How did the faux-stirrups get started? Or how did stirrups come back into fashion?
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
both!
I can impress my friends with knowledge I stole from you.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Sorry, but I don't know the answer to either question.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
worth a try
thanks for the pics
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
If I find more,
I’ll post them for you.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
D'oh!
How could I forget Jason Simontacchi?

"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
goodness, that looks painful
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
He's very bendy.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
well, he definitely wins
the “highest stirrups” contest.
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
The physics of throwing a baseball really hard
Keep in mind…even a guy like Simontacchi is bringing relative to what a normal human being can do.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 25, 2009 4:05 AM EDT up reply actions
wow
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Junior Spivey
wore real stirrups, too.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
Link fail :(
Pretty much FML any time -Todd Wellemeyer touches a baseball.- Joe Thurston runs the bases.
by Cardinals645 on Aug 24, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Really?
Works for me.
Copy:
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_XQOlbSDfoz8/SRJVc6yJGxI/AAAAAAAACfY/mN62Q6jeWsY/P3190046.JPG
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
It works if you copy and paste the link.
Who is Junior talking to? I can’t make it out.
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
Joe Pettini?
It could be anybody since that’s from ST.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
From 05?
That’s when he looked like this:

(That’s for Az.)
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
how long before we have all the Rasmus brothers
in the majors?
We won’t be able to call him Cory for long, for one thing.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 24, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
sure we will...
it will be fun. Could you imagine if they were on the same team????GOOD TIMES
The guy who really needs to come back to earth is Julio Lugo. He flat-out sucks, or at least he did until he sold his soul at the foot of the Gateway Arch. by Not Bruce Froemming BCB
...it's the heartburn, fritz.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 24, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought we only had Spivey in 2006
I tried to look at all the Memphis Redbird 2006 photos to figure it out but I got bored after about six links and gave up.
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
Correct
that’s what led to our gaping hole at 2B which turned into a Miles/Luna platoon which turned into Ron Belliard which turned into a World Championship.
Shut up, Fritz™.
i will never be able to explain the oughts to my grandkids
Other than “Uhhhhhhhhhh Albert Pujols.”
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 24, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
The theory of Chris Carpenter
would be easier to explain if there were actually two Chris Carpenters (like people used to believe there were two Undertakers in the WWF) and one dominant freak just replaced the other after a little while.
*Cris Carpenter doesn’t count.
Shut up, Fritz™.
the cubs have a carpenter in their system
as do we.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 24, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
miles/luna platoon
/shudder at the thought
Remember when everyone (and by that I mean STL newspapers) thought that Albert was TOTALLY PISSED that Luna had been traded? And that there was a “division” within the clubhouse? And Albert was a “troublemaker?” Wouldn’t hear that nowadays.
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
writing that crap?
more than likely.
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
my bad.
maybe it is colby.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
I think the hair is too long and straight
to be Colby
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
errr, cory..cody
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
He looks like that terrible actor...
…who played Anakin Skywalker in those wacky new Star Wars flicks…But better at baseball. And with The Force.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 25, 2009 4:06 AM EDT up reply actions
That's really weird.
Pretty much FML any time -Todd Wellemeyer touches a baseball.- Joe Thurston runs the bases.
by Cardinals645 on Aug 24, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
FOR CRYING OUT LOUD.
What is wrong with your computers?
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
I think someone brought it up on an earlier thread
about Google being stingy with their bandwidth unless you are signed in to your google account (wild, uneducated guess)
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
i was bitching(shocking right?) about photobucket yesterday
i tried switching to google picasa, but no one could see the pics
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
I thought maybe that was you : >
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
bitchin' party at jack's house
?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 24, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bitchin' to contact.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 25, 2009 4:47 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
gdm i could be wrong
but I think that picture appeared again.
it was apple sauce, yeah?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 24, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
yes, i looked at that today on a different computer
and i didn’t see it, so i gave up switching my pics.
i think i’m going to make a new photobucket account & rename some pics. i hate the name of that account anyway.
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
That was weird!
whats the difference in hyperlink then copy-paste if it’s the exact same url?
Regardless, Junior wasn’t really a Cardinal.
Shut up, Fritz™.
It's true.
But at least while trying he wore the real thing.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
Both of them work for me
if that helps
No excuses. No injuries. No "better luck next time"
Do it, and shut the f—- up.
-Reggie Jackson
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The guy who really needs to come back to earth is Julio Lugo. He flat-out sucks, or at least he did until he sold his soul at the foot of the Gateway Arch. by Not Bruce Froemming BCB
I'll shutup
The guy who really needs to come back to earth is Julio Lugo. He flat-out sucks, or at least he did until he sold his soul at the foot of the Gateway Arch. by Not Bruce Froemming BCB
Interesting.
I’ll just post the gigantic image.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
copy and paste
worked
The guy who really needs to come back to earth is Julio Lugo. He flat-out sucks, or at least he did until he sold his soul at the foot of the Gateway Arch. by Not Bruce Froemming BCB
Hi Hunter!
How’s Dee Dee?
"Ludwick, I could kiss you on the nuts!" - the red baron 7-29-09
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Aug 24, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm lost.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
I'm old
That was from Hunter, a cop show with Fred Dryer from the 80’s. The show really went downhill once he stopped using that catchphrase.
Works for me!
"Ludwick, I could kiss you on the nuts!" - the red baron 7-29-09
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Aug 24, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I used to watch that show
as a kid. I just don’t remember the catchphrase.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
that's not a link, that's a transliteration
Of what adrian beltre said before going on the DL.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Aug 24, 2009 10:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
JUNIOR FUCKING SPIVEY
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
It resized it. Sweet.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
nice subject line!!!!
i really did just laugh out loud.
The guy who really needs to come back to earth is Julio Lugo. He flat-out sucks, or at least he did until he sold his soul at the foot of the Gateway Arch. by Not Bruce Froemming BCB
that's what she said?
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
It is, in fact, what she said.
Check Rick’s swing finish:

The same.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
i would think that'd usually be a "he said"
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Seinfeld.
He never got to verify.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
haha
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I'm so glad he's had (some) success as an OF
After his fall from grace, I honestly wasn’t able to really talk about him without getting upset until he became a legit hitting prospect.
Granted, his name was usually brought up as a joke by my friends, who only followed baseball closely enough to know he blew up, and not that he finished 2nd in ROY voting.
Pretty much FML any time -Todd Wellemeyer touches a baseball.- Joe Thurston runs the bases.
by Cardinals645 on Aug 24, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, watching any footage of his meltdown makes me want to cry, still
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
AA starts on Mets beat poetry
oh the sadness.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 24, 2009 9:27 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Awesome
Sent this link on to some friends. I can’t actually feel bad for the Mets — I’m not allowed to, as a Cardinals fan — but man they are having one hell of a tough luck year with all the injuries.
latest news - santana looking at surgery. crikey.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
yikes, just saw that
note to self: if become GM, never, EVER have a slogan along the lines of “it’s gonna happen”, or “this is your season”, etc.
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
at least provide a proper antecedent for "it" so the GOB can't decide for themselves
that it means “bloody, franchise ending mayhem”
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
may the GOB never do that to us. definitely not to that extent.
However, I do appreciate my annual / semi-annual shot of an anguished New Yorker.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Venable
i read through the last thread what I have not seen mentioned is this…ON the SD feed you could see when pujols walked away He did the what what..what has nto been said was the # of f bombs he was yelling at AP.. i think for a rook to do that is classles..well anyone for that matter…
overblown and now national media can paint AP to look surly
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
Here's my problem with all of this
people complain non stop that athletes today are too soft. “Bob Gibson wouldn’t put up with that shit!” they cry! “Pete Rose would have bloodied his nose!” they say at the nickle slots! “Nolan Ryan would have knocked him on his ass!” they bemoan! “Ty Cobb would have stabbed his uppity ass!” they racistly cower!
But as soon as a guy like Carpenter stares a guy down, people call him a douche and when Pujols gets fired up, he’s surly or cranky.
What the fuck do we want out of athletes?
Shut up, Fritz™.
by Alxfritz on Aug 24, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
the other thing is, they are not actually getting physical until they have to
They clearly have guys with tempers (especially in games), but they go out of their way not to direct them at others.
Whereas other players think it’s peachy cool to try to break down clubhouse doors…
I gotta give props to pro wrestler Porcello, though, hahaha.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
I think most people subconsciously want to put them on a pedestal so they can knock them down as they please
/playing at amateur pop psychology
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
But Jordan is still revered
as the ultimate competitor — rightly so, in my opinion — even though he was pretty much an absolute prick. I think the advent of the ESPN microscope era in the last ten years has more to do with it than anything.
Don’t we want guys who want to win, who don’t want to their teammates to be fucked with, who stand up and say get the fuck out of my face?
(“Look at our current situation with that camel fucker over in Iraq. Pacifism is not something to hide behind.”)
Or do some Cardinal fans want a team of Kip Wells who kindly put their heads down, give me my ball back, I’m going home and sulk away?
Shut up, Fritz™.
by Alxfritz on Aug 24, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
mostly, i would like tony to stand up and rip some ump a new one someday.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Aug 24, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Please, Angel Hernandez first
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
What I meant to say but didn't express clearly
is that people want it both ways. But I’m just talking out of my ass and from my own personal observations. I don’t really have any facts to back it up.
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
nobody outside of St. Louis knows who he is.
:/
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 24, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I was disappointed at the lack of recognition at the All Star Game
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
probably right.
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
No Donny, these men are nihilists. There's nothing to be afraid of.
"Sorry about him, he's dealing with being an inker. " - Chasing Amy
I didn't see venable do anything wrong.
Neither before or after the out was recorded. I have no clue what pujols took offense to.
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
It wasn't really said in the last post.....
but I think what had him pissed was the fact that he was obviously out. While the rules allow him to plow over Apu, it’s just not what you do.
Albert was standing there, your out. Don’t be a douche and try to hurt Albert. I’m pretty sure that’s the point he was trying to make.
The guy who really needs to come back to earth is Julio Lugo. He flat-out sucks, or at least he did until he sold his soul at the foot of the Gateway Arch. by Not Bruce Froemming BCB
...for the second game in a row.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 24, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
(well, wait. maybe not in a row. it's all blurring together.)
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 24, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
If you drink enough beer
you will be able to decipher which he and/or him I am talking about.
The guy who really needs to come back to earth is Julio Lugo. He flat-out sucks, or at least he did until he sold his soul at the foot of the Gateway Arch. by Not Bruce Froemming BCB
but that's the thing
There WAS no plowing, as far as I could tell.
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
Unlike President Bill Pullman/Paxton
Will Venable should have gone quietly into the night.
Shut up, Fritz™.
It was just excessive
and as Yadi stated, there was a similar type of play the day before. One of those unwritten rules that are talked about. If you honestly think that was the correct way to play the game (2 out weak dribbler to the first baseman who is standing in front of you; there was no run at stake, etc); well we must just understand the game a little differently.
The guy who really needs to come back to earth is Julio Lugo. He flat-out sucks, or at least he did until he sold his soul at the foot of the Gateway Arch. by Not Bruce Froemming BCB
Venable
reminds me of one of those guys who plays three inches off his man annoying defense thirty feet from the basket in pickup basketball. Yeah, it’s not technically wrong, but cool out, dude.
Shut up, Fritz™.
I don't have a problem with that
The problem I think is the pseudo deception of it. If he’s going to run hard down the line, then run hard out of the box, don’t just speed up when you see Pujols is going for the tag.
That’s not cool.
Pretty much FML any time -Todd Wellemeyer touches a baseball.- Joe Thurston runs the bases.
by Cardinals645 on Aug 24, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
In the future
instead of just politely tagging people on their way to first, maybe Albert should just lay them out. With a tag of course.
The guy who really needs to come back to earth is Julio Lugo. He flat-out sucks, or at least he did until he sold his soul at the foot of the Gateway Arch. by Not Bruce Froemming BCB
As long as the intent is clear.
It’s like if someone realized he was going to get tagged out at home and slowed to a jog, but as soon as the catcher lowered his guard, he accelerated and tackled him or shoved him over on his way to the plate.
There’s nothing wrong with an aggressive play in either scenario, but it’s pretty underhanded to feign acceptance that you’re going to be tagged, and then try to make a physical play out of it.
Pretty much FML any time -Todd Wellemeyer touches a baseball.- Joe Thurston runs the bases.
by Cardinals645 on Aug 24, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
which is the slow-motion shot none of the national feeds are showing.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 24, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
guess we just see the play differently
I’d never condone trying to hurt someone, but it seems like a massive exaggeration to say that’s what happened.
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
I'm not even saying that's what pissed Albert off.
It was Bush league. Albert wanted him to know that. That’s my take.
The guy who really needs to come back to earth is Julio Lugo. He flat-out sucks, or at least he did until he sold his soul at the foot of the Gateway Arch. by Not Bruce Froemming BCB
as i stated it was the
F bombs he was screaming…nto yelling…screaming at AP.. i dont care who you are that angers me…and the gangsta “what what” that got ap to turn around..
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punch and judy hitter-major league 2
Hey everyone
Go vote in TangoTiger’s 2009 Scouting Report, the fan-generated fielding report. Good stuff.
All aboard
The Blake King Rickshaw! He’ll walk you anywhere!
Caution: Blake King has been known to promote the runs.
You may run like Hayes, but you hit like shit.
ba-boom (ching)
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by Felonius_Monk on Aug 25, 2009 4:58 AM EDT up reply actions
speaking of the back of the back of my list
Gary Daley just threw two more scoreless innings. That’s zero runs, three strikeouts, and one(!) walk in five inexplicable AA frames.
And now my displaced comment and Bill and ted's reference is gone!
SBNation is run by witches!
Shut up, Fritz™.
burn them!
……………….wait aminute.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 24, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
How do you know they are witches?
The guy who really needs to come back to earth is Julio Lugo. He flat-out sucks, or at least he did until he sold his soul at the foot of the Gateway Arch. by Not Bruce Froemming BCB
throw your computer in the water?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 24, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
What is up with the schedule?
How does a team that has 3 games in the loss column in hand not play on a Monday. I can’t even make fun of the scrubs play today.
The guy who really needs to come back to earth is Julio Lugo. He flat-out sucks, or at least he did until he sold his soul at the foot of the Gateway Arch. by Not Bruce Froemming BCB
all star game
and that’s because they foresaw starting Carp on regular rest.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 24, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I really like Gorgen.
If he can iron out the command issues, he’s got some nice pitches including, heaven forfend, a change-up.
I do not look forward to trying to rank 20 prospects this offseason. I’m not even sure I’d want to rank 10.
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
We don't throw change-up's here son.
The guy who really needs to come back to earth is Julio Lugo. He flat-out sucks, or at least he did until he sold his soul at the foot of the Gateway Arch. by Not Bruce Froemming BCB
Maybe he can spearhead the changeup movement.
Pretty much FML any time -Todd Wellemeyer touches a baseball.- Joe Thurston runs the bases.
by Cardinals645 on Aug 25, 2009 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I am still trying to figure out how to work out Medusa being his nickname when/if he makes it to the Cards
"Ludwick, I could kiss you on the nuts!" - the red baron 7-29-09
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Aug 24, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
wiki
Around 700 BC, Hesiod (Theogony, Shield of Heracles) increases the number of Gorgons to three—Stheno (the mighty), Euryale (the far-springer), and Medusa (the queen), and makes them the daughters of the sea-god Phorcys and of Keto
i.e. I would go for a Japanese monster nickname if it were up to me.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 24, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
mmmm...yeah, but Medusa is the best-known Gorgon
Thanks, Clash of the Titans.
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
damn, I gotta see that again
Harryhausen for the win.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 24, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
when I was a kid
and cable was first (literally) rolled out to Ballwin (1981), Clash of the Titans was on HBO three times a week, I swear
cable in its infancy
(I’m old)
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
and we like Robot Chicken too !!!
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 24, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
you might be kidding, but I actually do
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
i keep watching it when i'm exhausted, though
So I keep missing shit. /fail
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 24, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
when I'm feeling down
I watch Venture Brothers.
Though it’s gotten weird lately.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 24, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
That show is awesome.
And how do you mean it has gotten weird lately?
I feel like it has been a constant 7.5, maybe even an 8 on the weird scale.
Pretty much FML any time -Todd Wellemeyer touches a baseball.- Joe Thurston runs the bases.
by Cardinals645 on Aug 25, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
the soap opera elements getting a little heavy for me
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 25, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Can you give an example?
You mean like (SPOILER, just in case) Brock leaving and such? Or what?
Pretty much FML any time -Todd Wellemeyer touches a baseball.- Joe Thurston runs the bases.
by Cardinals645 on Aug 25, 2009 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
PS- FURTHER OT
Have you checked out the Season 4 preview? I’m crazy excited.
Pretty much FML any time -Todd Wellemeyer touches a baseball.- Joe Thurston runs the bases.
by Cardinals645 on Aug 25, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Metalocalypse is growing on me as well
My friends like it more, though. Also, the lawyer/agent is my favorite, which just reminds me that there is something wrong with me.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 24, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
mighty boosh?
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
yes, I really should not be up that late
since I’m supposed to be awake at 6:45. I am chronically late. I get “reminded” by my boss that I need to be on time (bullshit), but they’ll never fire me because nobody is smart enough to understand peoplesoft and they need me to solve obvious problems
"I think those scorers must be from Mars or Venus. Or maybe they're just from that book." --Mike Shannon, 7/09/2009
I do not look forward to trying to rank 20 prospects this offseason. I’m not even sure I’d want to rank 10.
I think the first 10-15 are kinda easy but then after that it’s a bunch of fairly amorphous fringe-to-non-prospects. Take your pick for the last 5 or 6 spots, I guess.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 25, 2009 5:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I think the
AFL is going to have a lot to say about those last five spots in the top 20 this year.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
BITTLE!
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 25, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
In the way, way back...
is Ramon Delgado… Proud graduate of Pima Community College. Drafted in the 41st round. 22 years old. Dominating middle reliever in the Quad Cities…
Is 7Ks per 9 a red flag given his age and level?
Please take this comment in the spirit it was intended.
some kid out in Anaheim is proudly showing off his rex hudler baseball card
only reason i mention this is because it was when he played with the Cards
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
grabiel!
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
curt smith!
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
meh.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 25, 2009 5:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Just watched it last night.
I thought it was pretty good. Could have used more bastards… And the ending was pretty surprising even for a Tarantino movie. We’ll I guess it wasn’t that surprising for Tarantino. But I was surprised.
Really?
I wasn’t surprised at all
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Aug 25, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I keep expecting audio, and checking my computer's volume.
Pretty much FML any time -Todd Wellemeyer touches a baseball.- Joe Thurston runs the bases.
by Cardinals645 on Aug 25, 2009 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
GAR!
Another 2 hit night, including a triple this evening.
Now only 26 hits away from 2,200.

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 25, 2009 1:13 AM EDT reply actions
Shelby Miller
at Busch today. Thanks Mo!!! I know you traded away the farm for some a short Holliday, but it’s good to see you brought in some eggs and piglets to restock!
What do you mean by
“post-Luhnow era”? Isn’t Jeff still the VP of Amateur Scouting & Player Development? According to this, he is.
There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Aug 25, 2009 8:13 PM EDT reply actions
I think he meant
post-Luhnow, as in the time after the point that Luhnow was named Amateur Scouting & Player Development VP.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

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