Game 126 Overflow Thread
by azruavatar on Aug 23, 2009 5:11 PM EDT
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PrintWe'll we've already stranded about 20 bajillion people, made some bad defensive plays and some Joe Thurston-esque baserunning gaffs. Thank goodness we're playing the Padres! Cards lead 4-0.
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KKKKK
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
sometimes i turn on the tv
and there’s a 4-0 lead.. and i decide it’s about that time to start drinking
He had decided to live forever, or to die in the attempt
very nice caption
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
There it was!!!
Shannon said that Smoltz and Duncan had “figured some things out”. BWAHAHAHA
I knew that meme would come soon.
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I thought I read it somewhere yesterday or the day before. Can't find it.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
"STRIKE OUT MOAR PEOPLE!!!"
or something.
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
this is surreal.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
maybe the key is Smoltz works best on
17 days rest?
He had decided to live forever, or to die in the attempt
hahaha. cause he's old.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
KKKKK
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Serious
There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Aug 23, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
it's *seriously* surreal
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
KKKKKK
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Good god
I mean I know the Padres suck but I’m really missing something on how Smoltz got lit in the AL. His location is kinda meh but he’s 90-94 with a wicked slider and occasionally nasty splitter.
Not afraid to nitpick
This is the guy the BoSox threw in the trash?
Holy crap.
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
by The Continental on Aug 23, 2009 5:14 PM EDT reply actions
they're probably
shaking their fist at us by now
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
MWAHAHAHA.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
They don't care
It’s just the National League, and Smoltz showed his true colors against the Yankees
by olddomination on Aug 23, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
He got beat by the Nationals, too
While in Boston.
Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.
HFS
©
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
HOLY FUCKING SHIT!!!!!
If he strikes out the side next inning, he’ll tie the record!!!
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 23, 2009 5:14 PM EDT reply actions
i am on my knees bowing before the alter of smoltz
SO SAY WE ALL
"Hi. I'm John Smoltz and I wanted out of that freaking league
where they wouldnt’ let me bat."
they're probably thinkin
you didn’t have to run! they’re making you run! and bunts, you didn’t have to bunt! they’re sadists, man, they’re sadists!
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
well he's struck out the last 7 guys to come to the plate.
DeRosa: "I guess I was just an appetizer."
KKKKKKK
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Who wants to go dumpster divin' in Boston tonight?
Forget Christmas in July... every day's a Holliday in St. Louis.
HOLY SHIT THEY THREW OUT THE HOLY GRAIL....
AND THE CURE FOR AIDS…
Sponsored by Slick-Rick 'Stache Cream
Seventy-Eleventy - new Cards outlet.
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
Hey guys just got here, but...
I FUCKING TOLD YOU SO!!!! Smoltz is AWESOIME.
(note, not really talking to you, mainly to the other assholes on different blogs)
Thanks
What on earth...
Did Smoltz swallow a big slice of pie that rejuvenated his pitching skill.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 23, 2009 5:15 PM EDT reply actions
punctuation fail
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 23, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Operation: Midwest-Heal, engage!
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
by The Continental on Aug 23, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
"I met a lovely woman on the street adn she gave me
some warm apple pie and ice cream. I felt rejuvenated."
CARRY-OVER QUESTION!!!
Via Yadi2Second: “How many Rasmuses are there in the pro systems?”
Answer: 2. Corky and (get this) CORY RASMUS! ATL farm system.
now, is there a Cody Ramos in the pros?
if so i think the apocalypse is coming
DeRosa: "I guess I was just an appetizer."
seriously though
can we call him admiral smoltz?
he’s clearly got a few ranks on Wellemeyer
DeRosa: "I guess I was just an appetizer."
we also have pictures of a wizard.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
rec'd
DeRosa: "I guess I was just an appetizer."
by tehzachatak on Aug 23, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
pls stop walking albert kthnx
he needs to get his timing back
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
40!
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
HE'S BACK BABY
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Albert is energized by the Power of Smoltz!
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 23, 2009 5:17 PM EDT reply actions
Oppo Droppo
Number FORTY boys and spants!
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 23, 2009 5:17 PM EDT reply actions
you guys are way ahead of me
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
give him a rest - he's run down.
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
#40!
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 23, 2009 5:18 PM EDT reply actions
THIS IS OFFICIALLY MY FAVORITE GAME OF THE YEAR
DeRosa: "I guess I was just an appetizer."
by tehzachatak on Aug 23, 2009 5:18 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Listen, Mr. Smoltz
Just a reminder. This is Albert’s team.
give him a trophy!
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 23, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
i fucking love
former boston players with something to prove
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
got a couple of them this year...
I’m lovin it as my Folks and little sister are BSox fans living in Mass
I stood where no man goes...
did someone forget the pie?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 23, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe the Cubs have the pirates for a farm team
and we have Boston? I dunno.
it's more of a recycling center
than a farm team
DeRosa: "I guess I was just an appetizer."
by tehzachatak on Aug 23, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
it's not a recycling center
it is a re-use center
If getting guys that are 31 years or older
is our farm system, we are doing it wrong.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 23, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey that is exactly what was happening not too far in the past
Remember those heady days of Scott Seabol and John Gall?
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 23, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
THIS ONE INTO RIGHT
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Aug 23, 2009 5:19 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
There ought to be a website
or at least a blog that calls for his removal. I think it’s a worthy venture.
Also, There is a thread on Stltoday about how much he sucks and everytime I visit it Stltoday won’t open for like 12 hours. I think it’s punishment somehow…
He winds up for the pitch, it's a SCREWBALL!
Mute button
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 23, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Over/under on a whiff here. . .
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
New And Improved
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by azruavatar on Aug 23, 2009 5:21 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
Classic . . .
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
Rec'd
That goes with mojowo11’s comment about Braun as the funniest of the season.
How do you guys come up with this?
Forget Christmas in July... every day's a Holliday in St. Louis.
The All Star Game comment
About Braun drawing a penis in the dirt, giggling and then going after the ball (when Braun hesitated for about two or three seconds)
Forget Christmas in July... every day's a Holliday in St. Louis.
Nats beat them 8-3. that and the lemur are hilarious.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Man, I would buy a Smoltz jersey if he can pull this off.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 23, 2009 5:21 PM EDT reply actions
do we lobby for some dropped 3rd strikes
so smoltzie can get 30 k’s to equal his jersey number?
He had decided to live forever, or to die in the attempt
it's funny how this is allegedly a pitcher's park
yet Brendan Ryan, Matt Holliday, Colby Rasmus, Rick Ankiel, and some ridiculous guy don’t see any problem.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Yeah, but some really long ones died here too
Colby and Albert have crushed the ball a few times only to have it be a long out.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 23, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
try, try again
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
luddy had at least 4 between friday/saturday
that I thought were gone, as well.
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
Like any stadium...
…If you really smash one, it’ll go. But as in most pitchers parks anything less-got doesn’t go anywhere.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 23, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
seriously
that’s the first pitch in the dirt inside he hasn’t swung and whiffed at all year
DeRosa: "I guess I was just an appetizer."
Raise your hand if you're surpriseK!
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
(doesn't raise hand, only facepalms)
Forget Christmas in July... every day's a Holliday in St. Louis.
To those familiar with Greek culture, a specially appropriate gesture. Kali tihi!
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
do we have a formatting shortcut for the backwards k?
He had decided to live forever, or to die in the attempt
I propose we re-define the cykiel:
K looking
K swinging
weak pop-up
weak 4-3
by Andyfantastic on Aug 23, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
You forgot
Solo home run when the game is already basically over.
by purple_haze on Aug 23, 2009 5:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Ank is good at that.
They should run him out there just for insurance runs. That actually makes sense in TLR’s double-switch world…
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
ATTA BOY RICK!!!
Good thing Rasmus is sitting there on the pine learning about professionalism and leadership watching an inferior player make an a— out of himself. This crap is annoying. For Pete’s sakes, even Al thinks Raz is the better player, even if he does need to get off the lawn…
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 23, 2009 5:24 PM EDT reply actions
dickie just wanted to see more smoltz in action
He had decided to live forever, or to die in the attempt
I have a feeling Colby is contagious around now...
is he quarantined? did they give him a separate gatorade barrel?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Does he have Yaba or something?
Perhaps something wild from the first two seasons of House MD?
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 23, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Let us not forget that the Boston Red Sox also gave up on Jeff Suppan
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 23, 2009 5:25 PM EDT reply actions
it's a mini hall of fame. haha.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
That was part of the 2004 master plan.
Why did you have to make me remember that.
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Maybe he should bring back the mustache...
He seemed to be a little better with it.
I can't see the Marines!!
You’ll have to circle them with a big circle!!!
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
they're behind us right now, aren't they
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
That was a strike ATG
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Half empty stadium
and they make the Marines sit in the nosebleeds…
WTF?
Albert Pujols is ridiculous.
that's what i was thinking
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
they do that at Busch too
I was with family friends for a swearing in ceremony, and we were up in the nosebleeds there too.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
hang on to your butts
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
hey folks
can I just say that I approve of the acquisition of John Smoltz.
Back to the game.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
Smoltz sucks, worse than Franklin
DFA him already!
Forget Christmas in July... every day's a Holliday in St. Louis.
Yadi and smoltz have a comm problem
hopefully they will get it straight
I stood where no man goes...
yeah
Yadi can overthink his strategy sometimes. don’t turn into Jorge, Yadi.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
nice pitch
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 23, 2009 5:28 PM EDT reply actions
we need a pickoff.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Annnd breath...
"I remember once talking to one guy on the Cardinals and asking him what Pujols was like as a teammate. He said something that’s really special, if you think about it. He said: "Albert is so good that you feel like you let him down when you screw up." I thought that had to be the ultimate line that could ever be said about a ballplayer. I build my baseball team around that ballplayer."
Phew
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
by The Continental on Aug 23, 2009 5:29 PM EDT reply actions
gift from petco
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 23, 2009 5:29 PM EDT reply actions
Wow Jay
You need to cut the Prozac tablets in half next time.
He winds up for the pitch, it's a SCREWBALL!
WAY BACK
WAY BACK
and there’s luddy waiting for it
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
no
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Not the first 7
but 7 in a row :P
Man, with this outfield, need to get rid of that Rasmus, no Ankiel, wait no, Rasmus wait...To hell with Ankiel FREE KOBE RAMSIS
god it's sickening how many HR adrian gonzalez would hit if he played somewhere like Yankee Stadium
DeRosa: "I guess I was just an appetizer."
He's going to be a fan favorite in Boston next year :P
Man, with this outfield, need to get rid of that Rasmus, no Ankiel, wait no, Rasmus wait...To hell with Ankiel FREE KOBE RAMSIS
please don't make me think about something like that, dude
DeRosa: "I guess I was just an appetizer."
and that's the ptich lefties are probably killing him on
middle inside FB with no movement it looked like. THROW LESS OF THOSE, please
projection: Brendan Ryan is bored out of his mind.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
YADI IS BORED OUT OF HIS MIND.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Wow, a week later
And Rooney is still telling Hedley Lamarr jokes
KKKKKKKK
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
I'm confused...
…why is it that when announcers want to prove what kind of athlete a baseball player is, they reference their golf skills? I mean, John Daly and Angel Cabrera are outstanding golfers (relative to the regular population in Daly’s case) and they look like blimps.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 23, 2009 5:32 PM EDT reply actions
that's probably one of the only sports they're allowed to do, contractually.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
location rising
"I remember once talking to one guy on the Cardinals and asking him what Pujols was like as a teammate. He said something that’s really special, if you think about it. He said: "Albert is so good that you feel like you let him down when you screw up." I thought that had to be the ultimate line that could ever be said about a ballplayer. I build my baseball team around that ballplayer."
lol, yadi
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Everything is UP UP UP
He looks tired from the stretch.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 23, 2009 5:33 PM EDT reply actions
yeah he does
but 4 innings of blazing stuff and then an inning or two of guile is fine by me.
DeRosa: "I guess I was just an appetizer."
Thanks for giving us Lugo and Smoltz
Hope you liked Duncan!
Forget Christmas in July... every day's a Holliday in St. Louis.
Theo, Petroia is washed up, but we'll take him off your hands and give you Welly
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
skippy and welly for pedroia, i bet theo would go for that
plus pedroia’s probably one of the only players in the big leagues who could come close to replacing skip’s GRIT+ adjusted for stadium
DeRosa: "I guess I was just an appetizer."
He didn't.
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by Felonius_Monk on Aug 23, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
i would be surprised if he wasn't.
not sure what it IS though which i’m sure was what you were asking :P
DeRosa: "I guess I was just an appetizer."
He's a man
Men don’t use pitch counts. They wait until their manager holds thar’ finger inna the air and decides the winds-are-a-blowin’ and it’s time to pull ’er out.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 23, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't think so
As bad as this sounds, we don’t really care about Smoltz getting injured after the year or whatever. As long as he’s effective why waste the bullpen.
Not afraid to nitpick
y'know, I would be good with Smoltzy going 5 innings a game. maybe 6.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
i can kinda see why smoltz struggled in boston
starting to get a bit wild now, 4 innings in. I can’t see him getting much past 5.
Still, 5 above-average innings every 5th start is pretty good, for FREE…
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
This beats Welly
and Lugo beats DunKan
Forget Christmas in July... every day's a Holliday in St. Louis.
is there any way, with his stuff, to change strategies?
like more grounders?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
you can't really say that yet
pitchers have bad innings, happens to Carp, happens to Waino, happens to Linecum
Smolzt is striking out too many
Duncan will definitely exile him to the pen after this kind of start
"Ludwick, I could kiss you on the nuts!" - the red baron 7-29-09
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
follow up Q if you all don't mind
has Smoltzy been that good, or the father’s that bad?
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
he's been nasty
but he’s starting to get up in the strike zone
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
yeah.
the splitter looks literally unhittable, not that it’s going anywhere near the strike zone but when it gets set up by a few fastballs, who needs it to.
DeRosa: "I guess I was just an appetizer."
He has 8 strikeouts and no walks
’nuff said
Thanks
by vivaelpujols on Aug 23, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
The Rose! [waves tiny flag]
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Smoltz after 4
2H 0BB 8K! 0R
60 pitches/42 strikes
lefties and switchies (Cabrera, Gwynn, Gonzo, Headley, Venable, Rodriguez) are 2-10 w/ 5Ks
he sucks against lefties!
all his hits are by lefties! we need DENNYS!
He had decided to live forever, or to die in the attempt
Smoltz's stuff
is going to play very well in the pen….
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 23, 2009 5:36 PM EDT reply actions
...that's not Yadier Molina...
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
excellent on short notice.
i like how there’s even that much gold to signify us turning shit into gold
DeRosa: "I guess I was just an appetizer."
kinda looks more like "sleazy airline pilot smoltz"
but I rec’d it anyway ;)
it's Clydesdales vs Goats. Actually sums up Cards vs. Cubs quite nicely. -all4tookie
for some reason I can only reak everything post "Admiral Smoltz" in a Sean Connery-esque accent
and it’s not coming out as “Smoltz” but as “Schmoltz”
Suck it Trebeck!
It's official. Cardinals third basemen are jinxed.
by YesWeOquendo on Aug 23, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
The Pen Is Mightier!
It's official. Cardinals third basemen are jinxed.
by YesWeOquendo on Aug 23, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Yadi at the plate, runner on 1st
Uh oh
Forget Christmas in July... every day's a Holliday in St. Louis.
see sig
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
how many pitches are they letting him throw?
first start in like 15 days
80? 90?
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
has anyone made that joke this?
because i’m sure there’s some gold in there about pets eating home work & stuff
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that made zero sense to me.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 23, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
'Hitting Coach: Why didnt you hit a HR Gonzo?!?!'
‘Gonzo: I’m sorry Coach, the Petco ate it.’
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Not a great inning for Smoltz
He got pretty lucky with the called strike on the outside corner and the Gonzalez fly ball.
Hopefully he can regain some strength.
if he gets through even one more inning
that’s fine by me.
DeRosa: "I guess I was just an appetizer."
do pitchers typically retaliate for getting hit?
or do the other pitchers do it for them?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Manny
Just sucks in the field. 2 fuckups today. Just turned a single into a triple.
by Tom_Lawless_Bat_Flip on Aug 23, 2009 5:39 PM EDT reply actions
Classic Manny
Didn’t lean over enough to field the ball, hoped it would bounce into his glove, then casually ran into the wall after he missed it assuming the center fielder would back him up.
by olddomination on Aug 23, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
billinglsy a good pitcher, he must be screwing up big time for them to be down 3-1
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Smoltz running the bases again
not good
"I remember once talking to one guy on the Cardinals and asking him what Pujols was like as a teammate. He said something that’s really special, if you think about it. He said: "Albert is so good that you feel like you let him down when you screw up." I thought that had to be the ultimate line that could ever be said about a ballplayer. I build my baseball team around that ballplayer."
Sets a good team record in his first start?
I might like the Smoltzy
"Ludwick, I could kiss you on the nuts!" - the red baron 7-29-09
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
what's he going to do for an encore?
sb, hbp, inside the parker?
Good news/bad news. . . Cubs up, but Rox up too. I fear the Giants in a short series. . . .
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
I'd love to see the Rockies in a playoff series
think Tony wouldn’t figure out how to get in Marquis’ head?
he already has . .
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
Gloat factor is immensely satisfying. . .
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
+1 on the GIants
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
hang on to your butts
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
People are looking at me funny
Can I stop?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
is it your own butt?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
well I'm not sure about your dog
but I think you’re doin’ it right.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
with toes.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Well, he was great the first time through the lineup
by olddomination on Aug 23, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
i'll give him 2 runs if he can finish the 5th and get the W
He had decided to live forever, or to die in the attempt
wow, Boog is so bored he can't catch a Ludwick laser.
They should really run Lugo out there for Smoltz starts. Boog gets rusty faster than the tin man.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Holy shit i NEED one
"I'll be glad to have Ryan [Braun] help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy." - Doug Melvin
SURREAL
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
uh oh. it's Blanks.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
as long as it stays in the park we will be ok
he has a flat tire
by SoCalBirdfan on Aug 23, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
brother was a 6'8 little leaguer a few years ago
He had decided to live forever, or to die in the attempt
does he have a mustache?
It's official. Cardinals third basemen are jinxed.
by YesWeOquendo on Aug 23, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
he changed the gravity of the earth the other night
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
come on blue
"I remember once talking to one guy on the Cardinals and asking him what Pujols was like as a teammate. He said something that’s really special, if you think about it. He said: "Albert is so good that you feel like you let him down when you screw up." I thought that had to be the ultimate line that could ever be said about a ballplayer. I build my baseball team around that ballplayer."
SURREAL
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
5ip, 3h, 9k's
"I remember once talking to one guy on the Cardinals and asking him what Pujols was like as a teammate. He said something that’s really special, if you think about it. He said: "Albert is so good that you feel like you let him down when you screw up." I thought that had to be the ultimate line that could ever be said about a ballplayer. I build my baseball team around that ballplayer."
OOH, shiny and pretty.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
They call it gold
"I remember once talking to one guy on the Cardinals and asking him what Pujols was like as a teammate. He said something that’s really special, if you think about it. He said: "Albert is so good that you feel like you let him down when you screw up." I thought that had to be the ultimate line that could ever be said about a ballplayer. I build my baseball team around that ballplayer."
by Smokin Turkeys on Aug 23, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I've heard that
it’s found in the hills of Boston.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
By the Epstein river of shame?
"I remember once talking to one guy on the Cardinals and asking him what Pujols was like as a teammate. He said something that’s really special, if you think about it. He said: "Albert is so good that you feel like you let him down when you screw up." I thought that had to be the ultimate line that could ever be said about a ballplayer. I build my baseball team around that ballplayer."
by Smokin Turkeys on Aug 23, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Follow Yawkey Way to get there.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
But beware of the Green Monster
"I remember once talking to one guy on the Cardinals and asking him what Pujols was like as a teammate. He said something that’s really special, if you think about it. He said: "Albert is so good that you feel like you let him down when you screw up." I thought that had to be the ultimate line that could ever be said about a ballplayer. I build my baseball team around that ballplayer."
by Smokin Turkeys on Aug 23, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
And the Splendid Splinter.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
And the change of Pedro
"I remember once talking to one guy on the Cardinals and asking him what Pujols was like as a teammate. He said something that’s really special, if you think about it. He said: "Albert is so good that you feel like you let him down when you screw up." I thought that had to be the ultimate line that could ever be said about a ballplayer. I build my baseball team around that ballplayer."
by Smokin Turkeys on Aug 23, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't touch that bloody sock!
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
Or the Gary Thorne legend buster
"I remember once talking to one guy on the Cardinals and asking him what Pujols was like as a teammate. He said something that’s really special, if you think about it. He said: "Albert is so good that you feel like you let him down when you screw up." I thought that had to be the ultimate line that could ever be said about a ballplayer. I build my baseball team around that ballplayer."
by Smokin Turkeys on Aug 23, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
75 pitches he might have 2
He’s gone through the order this time with more breaking stuff, could probably go back to the fastball. I’m still pretty confused on how he got absolutely bombed so far.
Not afraid to nitpick
KKKKKKKKK
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Might be a good time to find some more elbow inflamtion in (un) Welly
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
or.. you know... just throw him onto the waiver fire
He had decided to live forever, or to die in the attempt
I've been watching with the san diego announcers on mlb.tv
they are pretty boooooring
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 23, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
They are terrible.
I can zone out with Dan n Al because they don’t shut up. But those guys rarely speak. When they do, you notice how terribly boring they are.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
how can you be bored?
they were talking about Paducha Kentucky! i bet 99% of their audience has never heard of that place
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hey... i've got family from around there...
of course they live in a town of 300 people.. so you may have a point
He had decided to live forever, or to die in the attempt
i was all over se mizzou, se illinois, central ark, and easter ky
so yes, that does explain a lot
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it was when blanks was up
i don’t know where they were going with it. they were also talking about fort leonard wood missiouri for some reason earlier
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holy crap
carp, waino, smoltz in playoffs?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 23, 2009 5:50 PM EDT reply actions
hugs, hugs all around.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
lob
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
Smoltz' fastball looks very solid
Seems like he doesn’t have a ton of confidence in it for some reason.
92-94 early
"I remember once talking to one guy on the Cardinals and asking him what Pujols was like as a teammate. He said something that’s really special, if you think about it. He said: "Albert is so good that you feel like you let him down when you screw up." I thought that had to be the ultimate line that could ever be said about a ballplayer. I build my baseball team around that ballplayer."
by Smokin Turkeys on Aug 23, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
One hit 92 in the 5th
It looked nasty too.
and i think he backed off it in later ABs.. could just be me though
He had decided to live forever, or to die in the attempt
It was up in the zone.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
I thought I saw at least a couple
that were pretty straight that he got away with, but most of them looked good
why not smoltz?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Seriously?
What not just leave smoltz in?
but i wanted 13 strikeouts
Tony hates me
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
I wanted 10
Just for the BBTF/Fangraphs FIP DOESN’T APPLY TO PITCHERS WITHOUT MAJOR LEAGUE STUFF DESPITE HIS HAVING GOTTEN ABOVE LEAGUE AVERAGE WHIFF RATE!
Not afraid to nitpick
That discussion was so confusing
There were at least 2 opposing Aarons arguing
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
he's 42, man.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Albert is amused by the fan's catch
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Except for Adrian Gonzalez
SD has a weak lineup, but Smoltz has handled lefties better than expected
i like Gwynn in the field. maybe not so much anywhere else.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Maaybe batting clean up for the Cubs
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
Dodgers need some runs.
I would like for our division lead to equal Smoltz’s K total.
i'd like both to be ∞
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
I like it that Colorado is about to beat Lincecum
Maybe that will add to CC’s CY chances.
There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Aug 23, 2009 5:57 PM EDT reply actions
Pitch #2 was right down broadway
ATG
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
looked that way in real time as well
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
I've been up since 4 AM
and I feel like it’s 10.
Forget Christmas in July... every day's a Holliday in St. Louis.
someone? where's the signal?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
O, Eye of Horus
Smite those who come before thee
Thine signal is lit
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
by The Continental on Aug 23, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
(stab)
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 23, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Hawk for the 6th
Kmac for the 7th
Miller for the 8th
Sucky McSuckerston for the 9th
Tony you genius bastard!
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75 pitches for 53 strikes and 9K's for Smoltz for a first start as a Cardinal
I stood where no man goes...
wow, Brendan is really rusty.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
i have no fucking clue.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 23, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
precaution, 5 run lead
and dude… it’s the hawk… he leads g.i. joe!!!
he hasn't pitched in 15 days
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
random sidenote:
The Colonel is sucking so bad….even though he leads the majors in weakest Opp Quality OPS
Seriously….how bad can you possibly be?
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
Is anyone else having issues with MLB.TV today?
Or is my internet connection seriously this bad? It never is, that’s why I ask.
V, b.
in nashville by any chance?
comcast has been having issues all week
He had decided to live forever, or to die in the attempt
final line on the Admiral
5.0 IP 3H 0R 0BB 9K
75 pitches/53 strikes
no hits to righties, just the double to Venable really, pitched around Boog’s kick in the 1st, the slider slid, the splitter split, he bunted well and ran the bases….
Mozeliak owes Theo Epstein a really nice fruit basket or something….
We can't call him the Admiral.
That’s David Robinson’s nickname.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
+1
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
There's that, too.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
awful.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 23, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
WHERE WAS THAT PITCH?
Why has the officiating been so bad this year?
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Todd Tichenor is not a very good ump.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Aug 23, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
struck him out twice there...
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 23, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Can somebody tell Tony to get up and defend his young rookie?
Oh wait
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There are a few really good ones.
Lots of mediocre ones, and a few terrible ones. Think bell curve.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
can you name the good ones?
because right now i’m drawing blanks
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I believe he and Bill Hohn...
are right at the top of number of ejections. That should tell you something.
V, b.
on the take
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
fuck
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 23, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
yes
but that is a 2d view
if you change your angle, you will probably see some of those balls out of the zone when it could be over the plate
I don't follow what you're saying
Which pitches are you referring to?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
you showed a 2d view
meaning you can’t see certain aspects of the ball when it crosses the 3d strike zone
a ball thrown can appear to be a strike or a ball based on the streak shown and actually be the opposite
that’s pretty much what i’m saying
Gameday is getting the ball exactly when it crosses the plate
I’ll take it over a 50 year old’s eyes any day.
Not afraid to nitpick
but 2D is basically the same view as the umpire
Chuck Norris doesn't need a bat.
he just roundhouse kicks the ball out of the park.
by bearcatcardfan on Aug 23, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
not really
most humans see in 3 dimensions
The
2D shot is where the ball was when it crossed the plate.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
I just said that, dude.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
It's basically a slice.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
you have to move the camera angle around to determine if something is a strike or not
a 2d image will not show that
So,
the game would have to be shot in 3D and we’d have to wear 3D glasses in order to tell whether a pitch is a strike?
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
no
gameday allows you to move the camera angle around to see where the ball moved…. but doing a cut/paste of the gameday view will not show any proof of where the ball actually was
There really
is not a feasible way to PROVE where the ball was, is there?
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
in cut/paste form? no
moving it around on your own… yes
well,
provided the system is actually capturing the 3 dimensional flight of the ball (they really should try to represent the 3d strike zone better when moving it around)
That is if you trust the cameras, right?
Regardless, the ball just has to nick the box of space in the strikezone in order to be a strike.
Does Gameday record the pitch as it crosses the front of the plate? The middle? Just wondering, because that 2D image could show the pitch is a ball, but it was actually a strike at some point in that 3 dimensional box of space.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
the way they let you move it around
it appears to grab the entire flight of the ball…
so you can often see that a ball goes over the strike zone and then drops after being out of the strike zone
as the camera angle on gameday shows different angles of the flight of the ball
What I mean
is where in the 3D zone is that 2D slice that Gameday shows? The back of the plate? The front?
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
i haven't the foggiest
which is also why i like to move it around so that i can get a better idea of where the ball actually was
No matter which way you move it
Pitches 3 and 6 are strikes
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
i never checked
i’m just annoyed that people post a cut/paste of a 2d image as a proof that a ball didn’t cut through the 3 dimensional strike zone
i really don't get why you are annoyed then because
if it a strike in the one frame of depth that you get in a 2d image it was in the “3D” strike zone
Chuck Norris doesn't need a bat.
he just roundhouse kicks the ball out of the park.
by bearcatcardfan on Aug 23, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
But if it's a ball,
that doesn’t mean it wasn’t a strike.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
true but in most cases when people use GD
it is in the strikezone most people don’t move the vieew around the whole game to see if it barely tailed back or out of the strikezone at the last second
Chuck Norris doesn't need a bat.
he just roundhouse kicks the ball out of the park.
by bearcatcardfan on Aug 23, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm still missing how this could be all that debateable
The ball can move at most about an inch over the front 8.5 inches of the plate. Those balls were not within an inch of being balls, nor are any of the screen pastes where obvious strikes are called balls.
Not afraid to nitpick
depending on the representation of the 2d strike zone
it could show a pitch as a ball that actually crossed the front corner of the plate… or maybe it crosses the plate after the 2d representation of the strike zone
(this would be big with the side arm guys)
I guess I forgot arm angles
But again we’re talking 99% of the time it’s 3/4 guys
Not afraid to nitpick
Which barely changes the angle coming home
Again, you are at absolute most talking an inch. The plate isn’t that long, and gameday’s 2D estimation of the pitch is going to be better than an old man’s eyes, it’s not necessary to look closer on obvious ATG strikes.
Not afraid to nitpick
actually no they use the same position on the rubber
remember in ST (KMAC)? was struggling and he moved to his old side of the rubber and he regained his form. so there is not a lot of moving around on the rubber it messes with pitcher’s rhythm
Chuck Norris doesn't need a bat.
he just roundhouse kicks the ball out of the park.
by bearcatcardfan on Aug 23, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
But different pitchers do pitch on different sides
Not that it matters that much
Not afraid to nitpick
yeah that doesn't matter at all in my book
as the ump can adjust himself to where the ball is released
Chuck Norris doesn't need a bat.
he just roundhouse kicks the ball out of the park.
by bearcatcardfan on Aug 23, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually it's a lot, lot less than an inch
The biggest breaking pitches in the game move 15 inches over 55 feet, so we’re talkin 1/5 of an inch different from the front of the plate to the back of the plate at most. Using the 2D gameday slice, wherever it is on the front of the plate is perfectly acceptable.
Not afraid to nitpick
Wow. You're right.
That’s insignificant and there is no way it’s visible to the ump.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
but this gets into several problems
-how are the cameras set up? minor errors will amplify other issues
-what is the 2d representation of the strikezone representing?
-how does the software adjust for strike zone heights between hitters?
-etc.
Of course every question
hasn’t been answered. That doesn’t mean it has no value. It just means you take it with a grain of salt.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
honestly
i’ve seen nothing to prove the merits of this system and many people that accept it as gospel
and when i look at, i see areas that could easily be very large holes in their system based on how the represent it to us
sure… it’s a great tool, but i cannot trust it as gospel
i don't think that a pitch moves at the same rate over the full path
as most people say a good pitch has late movement or “bite”
Chuck Norris doesn't need a bat.
he just roundhouse kicks the ball out of the park.
by bearcatcardfan on Aug 23, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
aye... the movement happens at the end
if it was the same movement through out… all the pitches would be easily seen and much more hitable
Not really
They have about 6 feet to tell the difference. There’s no such thing as a late break, the ball doesn’t change it’s spin rate mid flight, it’s an optical illusion.
But it really doesn’t matter, the plate is effectively 8 inches deep, the ball simply is not moving much at all over 8 inches.
Not afraid to nitpick
so a pitch with inside movement
is moving the same amount inside the entire time?
or a curve is moving downward the same amount the entire time?
i’m sorry… but no
i'm talking the ball moving in and out or down
gameday doesn’t show spin
additionally
spin would have less meaning to a hitter if the ball moved the same amount in, out, or down if it moved the same amount in, out, or down once it was released over every single foot of the flight of the ball once pitched (as you said it does)
Actually you can find the spin data on brooksbaseball
And the only thing causing it to move in/out/down is the spin acting with the air and gravity. You’re implying that the spin of the ball is speeding up mid flight.
Not afraid to nitpick
no i'm not
you don’t know what you are talking about
Works for me
And I’ll still take my 2D gameday slices over a 50 year old’s eyes.
Not afraid to nitpick
the strike zone is 3d
this really isn’t a hard concept
OMG
I know that. What do you think I’m arguing?
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
I never said that.
It shows one moment. That’s all.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
Alright Hawk
don’t blow this thing.
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Yadi to Hawk
This ump sucks. Hang in there.
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
by The Continental on Aug 23, 2009 6:06 PM EDT reply actions
Hey knock that shit off, Fathers
Don’t you know that Hawk hunting is illegal?
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 23, 2009 6:07 PM EDT reply actions
WTF - Hawk's been reliable. Maybe he should not pitch on sunday. . .
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
he should have men on1st and 3rd, with one out
bad umpiring…
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 23, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Ummm...wtf? C'mon Hawk.
Pretty much FML any time -Todd Wellemeyer touches a baseball.- Joe Thurston runs the bases.
good defense try
I like it.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
where can i find pitcher's run support?
don’t see it on fangraphs
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
thanks
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
$49.75
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
Math fail?
"I remember once talking to one guy on the Cardinals and asking him what Pujols was like as a teammate. He said something that’s really special, if you think about it. He said: "Albert is so good that you feel like you let him down when you screw up." I thought that had to be the ultimate line that could ever be said about a ballplayer. I build my baseball team around that ballplayer."
by Smokin Turkeys on Aug 23, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
49.985?
Chuck Norris doesn't need a bat.
he just roundhouse kicks the ball out of the park.
by bearcatcardfan on Aug 23, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I *love* Albert checking all the bases
looking for someone to eliminate
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
no game monday
everyone in the bp will throw today
SO SAYS UNCLE TONLY
"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension
then they go play golf.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
i usually hate the KSDK graphics
But that Hitchcockian flock of birds is kind of cool.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Reyes tossing grounders. . . trying to induce a DP
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
Albert noooooo
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
DP = Double Porkroast
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
porkchop to the rescue
"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension
bullpen clearing brawl
Chuck Norris doesn't need a bat.
he just roundhouse kicks the ball out of the park.
good thing it's right there.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
for another thing, it's the bum elbow.
Albert’s bum elbow.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Oh shit it's going down
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time... like tears in rain... Time to die.
wha happened?
I want Tung Po!
by ILoveTheSt.LouisCardinals on Aug 23, 2009 6:16 PM EDT reply actions
don't mess with the STACHES.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
RUMBLE!
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
quick!
pick 3 cards on the roster you want in a bar brawl!
mine
1. LaRue
2. Pujols
3. Lugo
He had decided to live forever, or to die in the attempt
totally LaRue
I’d take Carpenter too.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
LaRue = Old Man Strength
It's official. Cardinals third basemen are jinxed.
by YesWeOquendo on Aug 23, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Swap out Albert for Yadi
I want Albert far, far away from anything like that.
by peach concrete on Aug 23, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Chesty a close 4th, Lugo is just so damn scary, hes like the most terrifying man in the world
‘One look should suffice’
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I'll take the lumberjack Holliday
you can keep the other two
by SoCalBirdfan on Aug 23, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, i bet lugo would reck somebody!
I want Tung Po!
by ILoveTheSt.LouisCardinals on Aug 23, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Lugo looks like he carries a knife
Or knives.
by wyld stallyns on Aug 23, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe Reyes
just because I think I’d be funny
It's official. Cardinals third basemen are jinxed.
by YesWeOquendo on Aug 23, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
*it'd
It's official. Cardinals third basemen are jinxed.
by YesWeOquendo on Aug 23, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Franklin might be useful in a fight too.
by peach concrete on Aug 23, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
no.. he sucks...
he’d just get his goatee stuck in the door or something
He had decided to live forever, or to die in the attempt
I'd like Welly, Thursty and Reyes - and hope like hell they lose
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
you know, I'd take DeRosa too
He’s got trickyness and he’s a big guy.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
have you seen his boyish face though
he’s the one that gets killed and starts the fight in the first place
He had decided to live forever, or to die in the attempt
what is this, The Outsiders?
DeRosa would have tricky speed.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
you absolutely know Lugo has a knife.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 23, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
and apparently someone already said this....so, nevermind
/I’m sure Lugo has a knife on him at all times
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 23, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
What's going on?!
CURSE YOU GAMEDAY
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Yeah, you dont brace your elbow for collision
You avoid the tag, you dumb shit.
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Yeah, get out of the way
And elude the tag
by olddomination on Aug 23, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I just got back from dinner
why is Tony yelling?
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 23, 2009 6:18 PM EDT reply actions
Venable dribbled one down the line
Pujols picked it up and waited for Venable to run to him….Venable tried to run thru him and led w/ his elbow….not a full on ARod glove slap….Pujols said something afterwards and it cleared the benches & bullpens….
no
Venable said something. Albert glared, walked away, then he heard Venable say something else, and turned right around to answer him.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
sure try to run over Yadi
I dare them to try
by SoCalBirdfan on Aug 23, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
ahahaa, Yadi would end them
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
thats who I was looking for I thought it was dempster
Chuck Norris doesn't need a bat.
he just roundhouse kicks the ball out of the park.
by bearcatcardfan on Aug 23, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
What did they say?
It used to be Matt Vasgersian, who hates everything St. Louis, but he’s moved on up to MLB Network.
V, b.
basically
Albert tagged (with his bum elbow!), smarty pants venabull didn’t try to avoid, Albert gave him the patented glare, and started to walk away.
Then Venable said something, Albert stopped and answered, and boom went the dynamite.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Boom goes the dynamite
“passes it to the man”
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time... like tears in rain... Time to die.
by lunchboxbomb on Aug 23, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Pujols was pissed at Venable
Venable tried to act tough for bush league tactics
And the SD announcers assumed Pujols was the one who started it
by olddomination on Aug 23, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
Albert only looked at him. And he was already walking away. He didn’t start jawing.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
Benches clear!
Venable wants a piece of Pujols!
by Axion on Aug 23, 2009 6:15 PM EDT reply reply actions actions 0 recs
that kid is gangsta
by soulSD on Aug 23, 2009 6:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions 0 recs
all he did was try to get to the base around the ego
jeez…
by Axion on Aug 23, 2009 6:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions 0 recs
Wow, this guy on the Cox broadcast is a douche bag
I’d like to see someone tee him up after the game.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 23, 2009 6:20 PM EDT reply actions
If they had money for a Pitch Zone
To shut this prick up
by olddomination on Aug 23, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
This is what Gameday says:
“On field delay”
Thanks
Of all sad words of tongue or pen; the saddest are these: 'It might have been!'
Someone tell this mouthbreather that the Padres have in their booth
to stop breathing directly into the mic. I don’t need to know if he’s still alive.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 23, 2009 6:22 PM EDT reply actions
Ionlyhitbloopsingleswick
"I remember once talking to one guy on the Cardinals and asking him what Pujols was like as a teammate. He said something that’s really special, if you think about it. He said: "Albert is so good that you feel like you let him down when you screw up." I thought that had to be the ultimate line that could ever be said about a ballplayer. I build my baseball team around that ballplayer."
I hope they show Brian Jordan
that was awesome.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 23, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
the first one they showed was a dodger named jordan running over a braves catcher
then they showed dunn running over someone. both times the catcher was hurt & this asshole was cheering it on as a great thing.
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
Classic a few years back when Jack Clark flattened a Dodger catcher - can't recall who it was, but they had to haul the catcher off on a stretcher. .
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
do we drink something if there's a cykiel?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
An 6 for last thirty. . How many Ks? Weak pops and weaker groundouts?
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
HE IS STILL BREATHING INTO THE MIC
he sounds like one of those perverts that prank call women.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 23, 2009 6:24 PM EDT reply actions
leave me out of this.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
An - sorry left out the K
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
no virtual k for rick-dick
"No matter where you go, there you are" Buckeroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension
Sir, you are Korrect
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
DicK being DicK
Why does Tony like this guy over Chris Reynolds?
Forget Christmas in July... every day's a Holliday in St. Louis.
The Padre douchebag announcer
is going over his list of pet peeves. Now THAT’S entertaining.
/sarcasm
The one guy comments
there is silence and then there is 12 seconds of loud breathing and then the next pitch.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 23, 2009 6:27 PM EDT reply actions
Agreed
I will never get how Ank gets a start right after Raz hits a walkoff.
Forget Christmas in July... every day's a Holliday in St. Louis.
Possible Tony Gwynn (what the heck am I thinking) reference
that turned into a zoomzoom fail.
Forget Christmas in July... every day's a Holliday in St. Louis.
glossary additions I need to make:
*avenge
*wasting away
*cykiel
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
no wait
selling it.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
you should photoshop Ank in there for future use
"Ludwick, I could kiss you on the nuts!" - the red baron 7-29-09
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
do what?
foul tip really
Chuck Norris doesn't need a bat.
he just roundhouse kicks the ball out of the park.
why are HP umpires callin check swings now I thought that was the base umps responsibilities
Chuck Norris doesn't need a bat.
he just roundhouse kicks the ball out of the park.
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