The Dunc Returneth?? :=8.

I didn't vote.....

But I think we should probably just let him go. I think it would create too many possible issues if we brought him back.

That said, if Ankiel leaves next year, I wouldn’t have a huge problem having Duncan back on the roster as the 4th or 5th OF bat, assuming he has regained his stroke.

Matt Holliday. Nuff said.

by SoonerfanTU on Aug 21, 2009 9:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

The only way Duncan should come back is on a minor league contract

and get himself righted in AAA first. Let him play first for whatever AAA team he goes to and just worry about his stroke and not his D.

"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."

by StLHugo on Aug 21, 2009 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

completely agree

by mopack on Aug 21, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Minor League Contract

It may make Dunc and TLR feel warm and fuzzy about management and stay for a few “moo” years.

As a heeter, I'm no afray of ennybodie.
- APu.

by Mr. Wilson on Aug 21, 2009 9:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

If that's the case...

then don’t bring him back.

by mynameistyler on Aug 21, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah.

We wouldn’t want all this winning to re-accrue.

by Evilfrog on Aug 21, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I’m sure it has nothing to do with two Cy Young caliber pitching performances or the addition of someone like Matt Holliday to the lineup. Only a manager with the foresight of Tony La Russa would have Chris Carpenter and Adam Wainwright in his pitching rotation, given how questionable their talents are. And clearly Matt Holliday is a product of La Russa’s fantastic managerial prowess.

No, I’m sure you’re right.

by mynameistyler on Aug 22, 2009 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Identifying Adam Wainwright and Chris Carpenter was a non-trivial task

remember how we were being mocked by trading with the Braves for pitching, and how people looked at Carpenter as a worthless re-tread? I don’t know how much of picking those guys out was Jocketty and how much was La Russa and Duncan, but they weren’t always the awesome pitchers they are today.

They say that it's never too late, but you don't get any younger...

by Valatan on Aug 22, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

according to Baseball America Best Tools survey

Tony La Russa was his peers’ pick as the top manager in the NL. If you want to know how good someone is at their job ask the people that do the same job they do. Here are a few questions to ask for those wanting Tony and Dave gone…

Who do you want to take their place?

Is that person available and willing to take over managing for the Cardinals?

Would that person be immediately successful with the Cardinals? (either bring in their own type of players or adjusting to the major league level?) if not, would you be willing to live with the chance of a few losing seasons?

is there a chance that the Cardinals get a better manager if Tony leaves? yes it is possible.

Is it probable? Doubtful.

by Evilfrog on Aug 22, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

ps...

Don’t go to Baseballamerica.com today. Trust me on this one.

by Evilfrog on Aug 22, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think I just threw up a little

I looked

The poster formerly known as JoeyBombs.

by RasRoY on Aug 22, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

ugh yeah

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Aug 23, 2009 5:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

go check out the NL Central standings.

You’ll feel a little better.

Shut up, Fritz™.

by Alxfritz on Aug 23, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh yeah :-)

thanks.

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Aug 24, 2009 3:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think the Oakland A's might disagree with you

concerning how difficult it might be to replace TLR. In the thirteen seasons from 1996-2008 they won more games than TLR did with the Cardinals and they spent $300MM less to do it. I don’t think any of the guys who managed in those years are threats to make the HOF.

The team’s success has been overwhelmingly a result of the ownership’s wilingness to spend money and the FOs ability to (mostly) spend it wisely. Oh, and that Pujols guy.

Look at what Torre has been able to do with organizations that have been willing to give him talent.

Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...

by giveml on Aug 23, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The A's

had really high payrolls during TLR’s reign there. New ownership slashed payroll.

"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter

by spants on Aug 23, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

have you not read moneyball????

seriously, billy beane was a pioneer in the GM role there in Oakland. he was so successful with limited payroll, drafts, and trades other teams are doing the same thing he’s doing (and not making trades with him like they did in the late 90s, early 00’s) and so the A’s haven’t been as dominant.

Cardwash Definition: Birds on the Nat.
I think this is where Rick Ankiel can thrive hitting in front of Pujols--OHHH YEAHHHH!!!!!!!

by cardwash on Aug 24, 2009 3:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I've read Moneyball.

What did I say that was inaccurate?

The A’s from the LaRussa years spent less money overall, but at the time they were spending it, they had one of the largest payrolls in baseball. That is the point I was disputing. I don’t know what you’re doing.

"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter

by spants on Aug 24, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

not sure

what point you are trying to make, but if you are saying no one else could duplicated Billy Beane’s success then I would have to disagree. More than anything else, Moneyball is about finding and exploiting market inefficiencies. Those will always exist – it’s just up to the smarter teams to identify the inefficiencies and take advantage of them.

Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...

by giveml on Aug 24, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

And Won Cow Many..

…WS and League Pennants??

:=8/

There’s winning, and then there is WINNING!

My hovercraft is full of eels!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Aug 27, 2009 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I Can Answer Those...

1) Jose Oquendo and Mike Matheny
2) Yes to Oquendo, Matheny seems more than plausible.
3) I believe Jose Oquendo would be able to get just as much, if not more out of his players that Tony La Russa has.

by mynameistyler on Aug 24, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, get rid of player revitalizations too!

Man, with this outfield, need to get rid of that Rasmus, no Ankiel, wait no, Rasmus wait...To hell with Ankiel FREE KOBE RAMSIS

by Taskmaster on Aug 21, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The key here

is not to take at-bats away from younger guys who deserve them. He’s pretty much useless to the Cardinals as a first baseman, and Mark Hamilton might yet have some trade value for us, so having him in Memphis playing 1B really isn’t an ideal situation.

If he plays outfield, we have Jones, Jay, Craig, and Mather out there — who do you sit to give Chris Duncan AB’s? All those guys have some sort of trade value for us, so it’s simply not ideal to keep a spot warm for Duncan. I voted to bring him back on a minor league deal, but I think you have to keep these things in mind if you do so.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Aug 21, 2009 9:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Yeah but...

TLR has little control over minor league activity. They could put Chris in AA next year and make him earn his way back. To assume his career is washed up at 28 is a little premature (Ryan Ludwick). But I guess, if he was jsut as good as a young prospect, DD and TLR would be like, “WTF, Mo, call him up”, thus proving your point. Now you won me over, four.

As a heeter, I'm no afray of ennybodie.
- APu.

by Mr. Wilson on Aug 21, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

but a replaced disc in his neck, a surgery never done on a baseball player

is a little different than the surgeries and injuries that ludwick had.

Cardwash Definition: Birds on the Nat.
I think this is where Rick Ankiel can thrive hitting in front of Pujols--OHHH YEAHHHH!!!!!!!

by cardwash on Aug 24, 2009 3:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He could play first

I know he doesn’t have a future at first with the Cards, but he might with another team. If you can stick him at first and he regains his hitting form, then you’ve got a pretty valuable trade chip. If not, oh well. Plus, I don’t think he’d really be blocking anyone at that position (not anyone I can think of)

"F@*& Lidge and the horse he rode in on!"

-Cards Fan in Chitown, via text message shortly after the VEB Get Together Day.

by Tackle Box on Aug 21, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The aforementioned Mark Hamilton

is at 1B in Memphis right now putting up a .284/.351/.523/.873 line, is a full 3 years younger than Duncan, and is also left-handed. I don’t know why we’d displace him at Memphis with Chris Duncan, who hasn’t hit much of anything since his neck surgery. We’d be doing it to placate his father, that is all. Sending him down to AA is a lose-lose proposition for the team, he either doesn’t hit there and is done, or rakes there and nobody cares because he’s a 29 year old guy hitting at AA. I don’t see any advantage to bringing him back right now, especially with the shape our farm system is in currently at the positions he plays.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Aug 21, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I forgot about Mark Hamilton

Really, the only reason i suggested it was to turn him into a trade piece. While I see your point, I still think Duncan as a trade piece (assuming he returns to his usual hitting, or close enough to it) is much, much, much more attractive to some team than Mark Hamilton.

If a team believes in Duncan’s ability to hit for power, they’re going to be more willing to give something up….or ask for him when were asking for a Matt Holliday since Duncan has proven himself (albeit, a fairly short period) as a major league baseball player. I doubt anyone really cares about Mark Hamilton and many teams probably have someone just like him in their organization.

So, without endorsing a Duncan signing, I ask what is more valuable to the parent ballclub. Mark Hamilton, who has no other position than first base and has okay power, or Chris Duncan who, if healthy, has 30 hr/.350ish obp potential at the major league level?

"F@*& Lidge and the horse he rode in on!"

-Cards Fan in Chitown, via text message shortly after the VEB Get Together Day.

by Tackle Box on Aug 21, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

As long as we take that OBP out of the equation,

I think we could get some attention from Moore and Minaya.

"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus

by hazel on Aug 21, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You're making the assumption

that he’s ever going to be healthy again, and that even if that happens, he’ll be equivalent to his .850+ OPS days, which he did for exactly 6 months. Jeff Francoeur was fucking AWESOME for about a 6 month period, is healthy, and can’t hit anymore. I’m not saying they’re the same player, they’re not, but the fact remains that there are certain hitters who are awesome for a short period of time and then just lose the ability to be that player again. I don’t know if Duncan is one of those, but given our depth at the positions he plays in the minors, I don’t think he’s valuable to us as a 28 year old guy and wouldn’t be much of a trade chip anyway. Any team could have him for essentially free right now, I say let him go prove himself elsewhere. Its better for him and it’s better for the organization too.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Aug 22, 2009 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

isn't there a dh?

i was thinking All triple a teams use the dh

"Chuck Norris CAN divide by zero"

by elirock83 on Aug 22, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

No, not all of them

only the ones tied to AL franchises as far as I know.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Aug 23, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I never assumed anything.

All I said was, if healthy, Chris Duncan is a much greater trade chip than Mark Hamilton who probably will never be a valuable commodity anyway, for us or anyone else.

Bumping Hamilton for Duncan is a no lose proposition. If Duncan never re-gains form, oh well. If he does, he’s valuable to somebody. Yet, pretty much every team has a Mark Hamilton player somewhere in their system.

"F@*& Lidge and the horse he rode in on!"

-Cards Fan in Chitown, via text message shortly after the VEB Get Together Day.

by Tackle Box on Aug 22, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Never assumed?

All I said was, if healthy, Chris Duncan is a much greater trade chip than Mark Hamilton who probably will never be a valuable commodity anyway, for us or anyone else.

That is a tremendous assumption, because you can’t possibly know whether he is or not. It’s entirely possible that he won’t ever hit that well at the major league level again. Or this scenario could happen: What if Mark Hamilton develops a better eye and patience at the plate and turns in a .310/.450/.600 line with 25 homers though the end of July next year? Let’s assume that Duncan would put up the same line playing LF for the Cardinals. Now, Duncan will be 29 and has a long list of injury problems, Hamilton will be 26, healthy, and mashing. Who’s the better trade chip at that point? I would guess Hamilton would be, especially if he can come up and play part time while showing that he can hit a bit in the majors.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Aug 23, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nope, never assumed.

That whole “if” in my statement pretty much shows that I’m not assuming he’ll be healthy. Not sure why this is so difficult to understand?

And, after that, I didn’t read much more of your comment since it’s painfully obvious all you want to do is argue about something you made up that I never said. I have no idea why this is fun for you, but it apparently is since it happens all the time, so I guess i’ll leave you to construct your own arguments with someone else.

"F@*& Lidge and the horse he rode in on!"

-Cards Fan in Chitown, via text message shortly after the VEB Get Together Day.

by Tackle Box on Aug 24, 2009 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Don't get all defensive.

Perhaps if you’d actually “read” my post you’d understand what I’m talking about when I say that you’re assuming things. It’s not about health at all. The assumption comes that if he’s actually healthy that he’ll be a better player than Mark Hamilton. The guy has been good for exactly 6 months of his career. Hamilton is having a better season in the minors right now than Duncan ever had in his entire minor league career. Do you really think that team would rather trade for a guy who’s healthy, but been hurt in the past, pushing 30, and is essentially a 3 true outcomes guy even when he’s good?

I think you are overvaluing Duncan’s talent even when he is healthy. It’s entirely possible that he won’t ever be as good as he was for those 6 months from late 2006 to early 2007.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Aug 24, 2009 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Why should I read it

when all you want to do is “tell me” what I’m doing as opposed to actually listening to what I’ve said I’m doing?

I said “if he’s healthy and regains his swing” he’ll be worth more to the Cardinals than Mark Hamilton. I mean, if we want to start pointing the “assuming” finger around, you’re “assuming” that Mark Hamilton will compile a 1.050 ops which is “assuming” he’ll improve upon his career high of .921 (2 leagues) which is a number that tends to stick out like a sore thumb when you look at his previous 3 seasons(.678, .780, .722, .921).

And for the record, I feel foolish for being baited into one of your arguments. So, I’ve made my case, stated my opinion (which I’m sure most understand), and am letting it go.

"F@*& Lidge and the horse he rode in on!"

-Cards Fan in Chitown, via text message shortly after the VEB Get Together Day.

by Tackle Box on Aug 24, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I hate doing this

but you said you weren’t assuming, even though your wrote this in your first comment:

assuming he returns to his usual hitting, or close enough to it

Then you write this, two comments later:

Nope, never assumed.

How is that not contradictory? To say I don’t understand your argument is just plain wrong. I do, I just don’t agree with it.

Further, I’m not assuming that Hamilton will do that, I just used that as a point of reference that if both players put those numbers up, Hamilton would probably be the better trade chip simply because he’s younger and has more cost controlled years, and that a 29 year old guy like Duncan doing that at AAA doesn’t say a whole lot.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Aug 25, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Okay, so i didn't realize i had written that.

And i still stand by it. So what?

IF Chris Duncan gets healthy and hits like he has hit in the past, he’s a valuable trade chip. IF he doesn’t, oh well. As of right now, Mark Hamilton has no position on the Cardinals (especially since he’s a first baseman and nothing more….okay, DH) and is really nothing out of the ordinary as 1st base/DH types go, then why wouldn’t you go with the guy with the higher ceiling as far as “worth” is concerned?

Why does it matter if Duncan’s in AAA and not blocking anyone? If he were eating up a spot on the ML roster, I’d agree with you. But a 1st baseman at AAA when he’s not blocking anyone isn’t such a big deal. Your original point was that he should not take away valuable at bats from some younger guy who deserves them more. Well, IMO we don’t have anyone who falls into that category (1st baseman/DH) so I go with the guy with the higher potential worth and I feel that guy is Duncan.

And just to be clear. I’m expressing my opinion, nothing more nothing less. Take it or leave it. It ain’t changing.

"F@*& Lidge and the horse he rode in on!"

-Cards Fan in Chitown, via text message shortly after the VEB Get Together Day.

by Tackle Box on Aug 25, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I can live with agreeing to disagree on that point

I can just think of a lot of players who’ve been good for 5-6 months and then fall off the face of the earth never to be heard from again, even without having a possibly career ending spinal surgery.

I just think you’re overvaluing Duncan, that’s all. I also don’t want him back in a Cardinal uniform for a lot of different reasons, but mostly because it’s better for him to try to make it somewhere else rather than here.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Aug 25, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think there's an argument

that a lot of the time, those “6-month wonders” are partially successful due to a lack of scouting/experience of them in the majors, and, as soon as the other teams catch up and find the hole(s) in their swing, that’s it.

That certainly happened to Frenchy, and I get the feeling it’s happened to Duncan too. Everyone knows he’s a dead-red fastball hitter, so as soon as any pitcher gets up in the count he just throws a steady diet of breaking balls, especially away, that Duncan just cannot ever hit for any sort of power. Providing pitchers keep on doing that, I don’t see Dunc being much more than a left-handed Stavinoha (slap hitter) with a bit more patience and OBP (i.e. not much more than replacement level).

I could be wrong, and I’m sure his injury hasn’t done him any favours this year, but Duncan has been a productive major league player (after not-really-being-a-decent-prospect) for about 5 or 6 months of his now 3.5 year major league career. I wonder if there’s any relevance behind the fact that those six months were right at the start of it.

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Aug 23, 2009 5:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

+1

I'm dumb, she's a lesbian. I thought I had found the one.
We were good as married in my mind, but married in my mind's no good.
Pink triangle on her sleeve let me know the truth.

by thepainguy on Aug 25, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Put him out to stud.

Shut up, Fritz™.

by Alxfritz on Aug 21, 2009 10:18 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs

+1

DeRosa: "I guess I was just an appetizer."

by tehzachatak on Aug 21, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

An indication of what other clubs saw in Chris Duncan.

This is part of the reason that Daddy Dunc and TLR weren’t pleased when he was traded. They were concerned about exactly this scenario.

Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation

by azruavatar on Aug 21, 2009 10:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Why is getting released a big deal?

He’ll get paid. He’ll get to rest and get his neck healthy, and someone will give him a chance next year. If he produces, he’ll be in good shape. If not, he won’t.

Might be the best thing to happen to him.

Matt Holliday. Nuff said.

by SoonerfanTU on Aug 21, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He's out of a job, that's why.

How is he going to magically rehab his neck? And lefthanded first baseman who can’t hit aren’t really in high order right now. In the Cardinals system, DD and TLR could protect him. He doesn’t have that protection elsewhere. That’s why they didn’t want him to leave and that’s why DD was publicly pissed about it in the STL PD.

Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation

by azruavatar on Aug 21, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Your making a lot of implications here

and you don’t have a lot of proof.

Implying that Tony and Dave knew his injury was so bad that he couldn’t make it anywhere else and needed to be “protected” in the Cardinal organization is a very outlandish claim.
Implying that other teams saw this in Duncan is in now way provable.

For someone who rails on Sooner all the time about proving things and not going off of personal opinion, you’re taking a lot of personal license on this issue.

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Aug 21, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'd be surprised

if, among the health personnel employed by these teams, it wasn’t common knowledge that it takes at least a year post-spinal surgery to recover. I’d be very, very surprised.

"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter

by spants on Aug 21, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

My implications are unrelated to the actual injury but rather their fears about it.

I’m saying that they were worried he wasn’t going to get his swing back. Not that they KNEW he wasn’t going to. And that they COULD protect him in the Cardinal organizaiton not that they would HAVE to.

And that other teams see Duncan as a non-MLB caliber talent, which is what he has been for a while. On the Cardinals, there were competing issues with whether he could swing a bat enough to stay on the roster.

Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation

by azruavatar on Aug 21, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wasn't his neck injury suppose to take.....

an entire year to heal? Wouldn’t that year come after this season? I see no reason he can’t/won’t return to a somewhat useful player, even it it is mainly as a left handed power bat off the bench. Let’s see what happens with him next year before saying his career is over.

Matt Holliday. Nuff said.

by SoonerfanTU on Aug 21, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

If it was supposed to take an entire year to heal

then the team was negligent in their use of him both with regards to his health and putting the best team on the field.

Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation

by azruavatar on Aug 21, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed.

What the hell was he out there playing for if he hadn’t healed?

To me, this move is still the best one Mo has made this year.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 21, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree with that

getting a productive major league player for NOTHING (a replacement-level player) AND getting the other team to pay his entire contract… Pretty good.

Even if Lugo had continued sucking as much as he did in Boston, he’s still a serviceable bench bat and a possible platoon player/emergency 3B for next year. As it is, it seems he’s hitting somewhat better than that, and at the very least is capable of playing 2B/3B effectively, and SS in a pinch.

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Aug 23, 2009 5:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Here's my take

Mo had a more objective view that Dunc was done. he couldn’t cut Dunc because of internal repercussions so he traded Dunc and a PTBNL to boston and asked Boston to cut him after some period of time. PTBNL is the real part of the trade. Dunc was a favor.

Just win

by The Duke on Aug 21, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think that's unlikely

and also pretty immoral/against the rules.

You don’t trade a guy with a covert understanding that the team he’s traded to will cut him.

Also, there’s every chance someone else will pick him up and give him a chance. Don’t the rest of the AL get first refusal on him before we can pick him back up?

Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008

by Felonius_Monk on Aug 21, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Conversation went

Why don’t you take Duncan?

We don’t want Duncan

Well, we’re going to include him anyhow —do what you want

Ok — no problem

Just win

by The Duke on Aug 21, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't see anyone picking him up this year

Someone will next year hoping his drop is power is due to the neck surgery. If his power returns he’ll play in the majors somewhere.

by Evilfrog on Aug 21, 2009 10:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I bet San Fran takes a look at him

They had interest at one point, and I don’t believe their totally sold on that travis whats his nuts, the aisan first basemen they have(completely sorry, too lazy to google it.)
Maybe not this year right off the bat, but I see them in the off-season trying him out. Maybe seattle, oakland,or florida also

by from First to Third on Aug 21, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ishikawa btw

Man, with this outfield, need to get rid of that Rasmus, no Ankiel, wait no, Rasmus wait...To hell with Ankiel FREE KOBE RAMSIS

by Taskmaster on Aug 21, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hmmmm

San Fran — Garko
Seattle — Branyan (having a Chris Duncan like resurgence) and Griffey (the one guy Duncan might be able to out hit on this list)
Oakland — Cust, Barton, etc.
Florida — I think they have enough high strikeout guys in their lineup, and with Cody Ross, Hermida, Nick Johnson, Maybin, Amezaga, where the hell does he play?

"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Aug 22, 2009 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Griff is still walking at most.

Shut up, Fritz™.

by Alxfritz on Aug 22, 2009 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

the

natinls

Pujols takes out "I" in BIG and "A" in MAC, previously considered to be an unyielding, consonant threat

by DESTROYER on Aug 22, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

intentionally

mispelled to make fun of the jerseys

Pujols takes out "I" in BIG and "A" in MAC, previously considered to be an unyielding, consonant threat

by DESTROYER on Aug 22, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Duncan Needs to

make it with another team – not the Cards. It is in his best interest to prove that he belongs in the bigs and that he is not just getting special treatment. Additionally, I believe that he was played way to much while with the Cards and there is no reason to believe that such would not occur again. I wish Duncan the best and hope that he makes it back but making it with the Cards is the wrong way to do it.

by Warcard on Aug 21, 2009 11:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

His future lies with an AL team as a part-time 1b/DH

by olddomination on Aug 21, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

We have enough scrubs on our bench

If Duncan is around, Larussa may be tempted to trot out an Ankiel/Duncan/Stavinoha lineup in a key game down the stretch.

The team is 19-7 without Duncan. Don’t harsh on the vibe.

by olddomination on Aug 21, 2009 12:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Not in Chris' best interest

Duncan doesn’t need the nepotism issue hanging over him as he tries to regain his power stroke. It is almost a no win situation for Duncan. Let him sign with another team and get his career back on track.

by ubeddie on Aug 21, 2009 12:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

That Lugo trade

Caused a lot of drama, but I’d argue that was Mozeliak’s best move this season. I say that considering A.) How much of a spark Lugo has given, B.) The fact the Cards aren’t going to have to pay him anything, C.) How little they had to give up to get him. They can get Duncan back, one month later, if they want to, D.) The arrows he had to take from within his own organization when he pulled the plug on the Duncan experiment

Lugo can become Lugo again, and it is ok. There was no downside in this particular deal, so any slight boost from Lugo pushes the meter enough to make it a net gain and Lugo has already delivered on that.

by Merry CRasmus on Aug 21, 2009 1:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

He'll be back.

DD and TLR no doubt know that Lil dunc is now jobless, and with the power they hold in the Cards management they’ll probably be able to get Dunc back.

If he goes down to AA to really rehab, that’s okay, but I’m pretty disillusioned about the prospect of Duncan ever making a ML roster again.

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by hazel on Aug 21, 2009 1:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

i will not buy this record, it is scratched.

the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus

by tom s. on Aug 21, 2009 1:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

"Would You..

…like to go back to my place, bouncy, bouncy!"

;=8)

My hovercraft is full of eels!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Aug 21, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

please fondle my bum.

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by tom s. on Aug 21, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I thought at the time of the trade

that we’d pick him up as a minor league free agent next season. I don’t see any use in signing him now, though. Better to wait until the winter meetings after 40-man rosters are set.

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by liam on Aug 21, 2009 1:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

So Far...

..Heck No is winning, but only by the thinnest cow tail hair, followed closely by Why Not, with Cowflicted pulling up in third. But there seem to be a lot of hovercraft with eel problems lately…
;=8)

My hovercraft is full of eels!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Aug 21, 2009 2:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

No more Duncan

Look…he seems like a good guy, and w/o him the 2006 probably wouldn’t have made the postseason. I know he’s worked hard most of his life and has probably had to deal with real or imagined charges of nepotism and all that other stuff. However, the guy is not a ML baseaball player right now. He has no position, he can’t hit for any power, hell he can’t hit at all really. The worst thing the Cards could do is bring him back aboard, where he’ll inevitably wind up with the big club again whether he deserves it or not. It’s hard to fight charges of nepotism when the player in question hasn’t done jack in two months but is playing anyway…

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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 21, 2009 3:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Please. No. Moar. Duncan.

by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 21, 2009 3:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Dunc was nothing more than damaged goods

I was extremely happy when they dealt Dunc, even for a guy like Lugo (who, I’ll admit – I did not expect Lugo to be playing as well as he has in a Cardinal uni). His career year was three or four years ago (when he hit about .260 and had 22 homers or so), and since then, he hasn’t done anything worthwhile.

I sure hope that the Cards don’t bring him back. TLR and Elder Dunc are going to push for Mo to re-sign Chris because of the Duncan family connection, and chances are Mo would do it. I just hope that they don’t, because Dunc was awful this year and has been the last two or three – both offensively and defensively.

Forget Christmas in July... every day's a Holliday in St. Louis.

by zoomzoomj88 on Aug 21, 2009 3:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Damaged goods implies

the Red Sox didn’t know about his injury. Like, they thought there were getting a perfectly good baseball player, but turned out he was hurt. In this case, there was no mystery about his surgery or his struggles to come back from said injury.

However, with that being said, I still thought they could have done better in the deal especially considering they were willing to eat all of Lugo’s contract. Sure, they were probably willing to cut the guy outright and were happy they could get anything for him, but I’d like to think some other team could have and would have given up something slightly more valuable for a guy who was going to be free. But I dunno.

"F@*& Lidge and the horse he rode in on!"

-Cards Fan in Chitown, via text message shortly after the VEB Get Together Day.

by Tackle Box on Aug 21, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

"Damaged goods" isn't the phrase I meant to use

The phrase should’ve been “washed-up ballplayer”. Not sure what I was thinking there. Alas, my feelings on Lil Dunc are the same.

Forget Christmas in July... every day's a Holliday in St. Louis.

by zoomzoomj88 on Aug 21, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

when my Sox-supporting friend told me we’d traded for Lugo, I assumed we were taking on some of the salary and had possibly given up something for him.

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by Felonius_Monk on Aug 23, 2009 5:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

HOLY FUCKING SHIT

®

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by gdm426 on Aug 21, 2009 4:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I wouldn't.

It could make for more interpersonal dissension if he has a decent spring and goes north over Mather or one of the other outfielders. It also is sort of a bad thing to do to him to make it seem that he is only playing pro ball because he’s old Dunc’s kid. Someone else will take a minor league flyer on him and that makes him look like more of a legit ball player. If he comes back to the majors I’ll be very happy for him. He always gave his all and I enjoyed watching him even in the outfield. It’s time now to sink or swim away from the nest.

by easy on Aug 21, 2009 6:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

He's done in STL

Lil’ Dunc is done in STL, (too many 1B/OF on the 40-man next year), but he’ll end up on someone’s AAA team if he’s remotely healthy next year. Here’s hoping his neck heals.

by El Mertato on Aug 21, 2009 10:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

even if it were offered to him

i don’t think he would sign with the cards

someone will pick him up, i bet

Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.

by prophetjohn on Aug 22, 2009 1:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

He might come back for daddy

I don’t know why a trade has made such bad feelings about an organization. They make is sound like its the only person who’s ever been traded and it was the worst thing in the world to trade a struggling OF’er for something of value.

The poster formerly known as JoeyBombs.

by RasRoY on Aug 22, 2009 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Tony and Dave are supposed to be professionals.

They have been invloved in the big leagues for well over 25 years as manager/coach. They should both know that baseball is a business and if a player is not performing to the level of a big league player then that player should NOT be taking a spot on the team. Period.

If Tony/Dave throw a fit because Dave’s son is not in the big leagues because of his last name and not because of his lack of talent then they have quit being professionals in their business. And yes both Tony and Dave have been VERY successful in Oakland and with us… BUT that doesn’t give them the right to hold a team by the balls and throw fits and threaten to leave because his son isn’t on the roster. Dave needs to realize that this is the big leagues and not some local small town family beer league.

We’ve got a long way to go and a short time to get there.

by KYCards on Aug 22, 2009 5:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

FWIW

Dave has another son who is not in the Majors.

"F@*& Lidge and the horse he rode in on!"

-Cards Fan in Chitown, via text message shortly after the VEB Get Together Day.

by Tackle Box on Aug 22, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

that son loves the yankees so much he's willing to not be in the majors and just to be in their farm system.

even though he’s decent enough to be a 4th OF/backup 1B on most other clubs

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I think this is where Rick Ankiel can thrive hitting in front of Pujols--OHHH YEAHHHH!!!!!!!

by cardwash on Aug 24, 2009 3:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The only way

I would be in favor of Dunc returning is if his dad and TLR decide not to. Whether they would admit it or not they have been a terrible influence on his career. If he has a future it has to be one he has clearly earned. That is not possible with TLR/Dunc at the helm.

Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...

by giveml on Aug 22, 2009 9:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Paqckage deal: resign Dunc, Maroth, Lambert, Clement, Mulder, Frassero, Yan, Hart, Clapp and Clayton (either the town or the shortstop)

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by akaitori on Aug 22, 2009 11:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

We already have a grounds crew.

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by hazel on Aug 24, 2009 2:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

HAHA, dangly parts

Cardwash Definition: Birds on the Nat.
I think this is where Rick Ankiel can thrive hitting in front of Pujols--OHHH YEAHHHH!!!!!!!

by cardwash on Aug 24, 2009 3:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I never want to see him anywhere near this team again

It’s obvious that our coaching can’t shake the Little League Dad syndrome with him. The guy couldn’t hit AAA pitching and we were running him out there as an everyday left fielder. What a joke.

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by Power Slurve on Aug 22, 2009 6:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

The other concern with re-signing him...

he might end up blocking Allen Craig next year, which would really suck.

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by Felonius_Monk on Aug 23, 2009 5:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I'm pretty sure

that Duncan, Derosa, Pujols, Shelley Duncan, my aunt, Tito Ortiz, and Michael Vick are all blocking Allen Craig at this point in time.

You may run like Hayes, but you hit like shit.

by flipthebird on Aug 23, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

Don't Forget...

…the first penguin which wanders in from the zoo…he’s got dibs too.
:=8/

My hovercraft is full of eels!
:=8O

by The MooCow on Aug 23, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ron Cey?

"F@*& Lidge and the horse he rode in on!"

-Cards Fan in Chitown, via text message shortly after the VEB Get Together Day.

by Tackle Box on Aug 23, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Chris Duncan bobblehead on sale

mlb.com is clearing out some old merchandise and this bobblehead is on sale for $12.97 down from $18.99. The are some nice Mulder shirts on sale as well for any masochists in the audience.

by ubeddie on Aug 25, 2009 9:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

who made the decision to make a Dunc bobblehead with a glove

and without a trophy

by brackenthebox on Aug 25, 2009 10:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

even the manufacturers knew he plays 1B not OF

by ubeddie on Aug 25, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

New Cuban Hitter - Sign Him?

I just read that a Cuban Defector named Christobal Duncano just hit the shores in Miami.

In the highest levels of Cuban baseball (equivalent to our AAA level) he put up this line…

.188/.255/.294

…and hit 2 HRs in 85 ABs.

He does have an injury history, with some back problems or something like that.

Do y’all think we should sign him?

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We were good as married in my mind, but married in my mind's no good.
Pink triangle on her sleeve let me know the truth.

by thepainguy on Aug 25, 2009 3:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs