The 2009 Draft in Review, Part Two
by the red baron on Aug 19, 2009 12:07 PM EDT
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Monday night, and it's raining. I write tonight to avoid being late. I write this way just because.
The Cardinals got Shelby signed, and I'm happy. He's good, this kid, and will be better.
I hope the game was good last night, but I'm not optimistic. Billingsley is good, Boggs is an enigma. Maybe our kid figured it out and theirs struggled coming back.
Last week, I covered the early rounds of the draft. This week, I'll do the rest, highlighting those players who deserve attention in my eyes. Beyond the break we head, friends.
Not everyone the Cardinals drafted is interesting, but plenty of them are. I'll stick with the interesting picks; you came here for interesting, right?
Jason Stidham, SS, Florida State University, 8th round
Stidham lacks foot speed, but his other tools and numbers are solid. Some of everything is his calling card. He may not have the range for shortstop long term. His bat plays well as a middle infielder, but moved to a corner, the production is a bit lacking. A great name, and ripe for punning.
Hector Hernandez, LHP, Puerto Rico Baseball Academy High School, 10th round
Hernandez is intriguing, if only because he's a rarity for a Cardinal draft. Short and stocky and already mature, Hector will have to watch his weight. A nice mix of pitches begins with a fastball at 90, with anything else you like. He's too young to be crafty, but he will be.
Alan Ahmady, 1B, Fresno State University, 11th round
Ahmady is a hitter, plain and simple. Discipline at the plate meets a lack of it personally, as his behavior is an issue. Suspended twice in college, he has performed since the draft. Mark Hamilton turned around from the right side sounds good to me.
Matt Carpenter, 3B, Texas Christian University, 13th round
As a third baseman, Carpenter makes all the plays. As a hitter, he sits in the middle of the spectrum. A little power and excellent discipline make him a fine example of thinking about results. He runs well, and really functions as a jack of all trades. Carpenter is a bit older, having taken a red shirt year in college, and he's hit very well in pro ball. He could use a challenge to see what's really there.
Scott Schneider, RHP, St. Mary's College, 20th round
A name to remember for the sleeper lists over the winter, Schneider has put up great numbers in his debut. He's a converted infielder who has only pitched full time this year, so a fresh arm is attractive. Think of him as Brad Thompson with a little bit better stuff. High 80s sinker and a nice changeup. There may be more in him as he continues to pitch, but we won't know until then.
Daniel Calhoun, LHP, Murray State University, 29th round
Liam likes Calhoun, so I joked his fate is sealed. He's big and strong and walks no one, and his strikeout rate is good. An FIP of 2.14 in Batavia this season is sure to catch the eye. Calhoun is just the sort you see get a challenge promotion next year. Watch him going forward.
Tyler Bighames, SS, Estero HS (FL), 32nd round
Bighames fell in the draft until teams believed he would go to college, putting a top ten round talent much later. His mother called teams and told them her son wanted to play ball. The Cardinals pounced early on the third day. Bighames is a tool shed, with bat speed the best of his abilities. He's big for a shortstop, and has played elsewhere as a pro. I see third base as his home one day.
Andrew Moss, RHP, Lincoln University (PA), 35th round
I've never heard of Lincoln University. Moss grew up in Piedmont, Missouri, on the shores of Clearwater Lake. My family would vacation there when I was small. He has a bit of Jeff Suppan in him, with a repertoire average across the board and command of it. Moss is 22 already, so he may be promoted aggressively.
Aaron Terry, RHP, Southern Arkansas University, 42nd round
Being only 5'11" and right-handed, Terry is in a scary demographic for pitchers. His numbers are only scary for opposing hitters, though. He's striking out more than a third of the hitters he sees at Johnson City. A reliever to keep in the back of your head, much like Matt Frevert.
There are a few other guys of interest, but that's a pretty good list. The Cardinals had a fascinating draft this year, more creative than most I recall. They broke their own mold in the first round. They took one of the best stories of the draft in the second, and Stock looks like a steal. As someone who has been critical of past drafts, I have to say I like this one. It feels interesting in a way few others do. Volumes could be written on the Stock pick alone.
Of the players on this list today, I like Hernandez and Calhoun and Bighames the best. All had better talent than where they were picked. All have big potential going forward. A perfect final thought for a draft.
The Baron's Playlist for the 19th of August, 2009 - A Portrait of the Artist at Thirteen
"Fade Into You" - Mazzy Star
"Sliver" - Nirvana
"Superstar" - Sonic Youth
"Here Comes Your Man" - Pixies
"Add it Up" - The Violent Femmes
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I read this post in a clean, well-lighted place.
Outside the window are hills like white elephants. The other day I watched a cat in the rain. This year we traded pitchers Todd and Perez and Mortensen. A farewell to arms.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Aug 19, 2009 12:15 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
JESZ TODD 8.10 ERA WE WINRRZ
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Aug 19, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I fear the Indians of Cleveland.
by Youneverknow on Aug 19, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indian Camp
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Aug 19, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't You Mean....
…“hills like spotted Holsteins”???
;=8)
I hate Jason Marquis!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Aug 19, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, that's Fitzgerald
and thanks for reminding me why I could never get into Hemingway, mattybobo
by Oedipa Maas on Aug 19, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No problem
I actually kinda like Hemingway sometimes, but he’s way too easy to make fun of.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Aug 19, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Old Man and The Sea remains a personal favourite
I think it’s just about the right length for hemingway – digestible in an afternoon.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 20, 2009 3:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone have the latest on Smoltz?
"I'll be glad to have Ryan [Braun] help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy." - Doug Melvin
by all4tookie on Aug 19, 2009 12:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
nothing official till noon, CST
but all reports says he’ll be a Cardinal.
by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Aug 19, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
here's a link from foxsports
He had decided to live forever, or to die in the attempt
by slash2049 on Aug 19, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, I thought it was noon EDT
"I'll be glad to have Ryan [Braun] help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy." - Doug Melvin
by all4tookie on Aug 19, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MLB Network said it was a done deal last night
Positronic Upgraded Juggernaut Optimized for Logical Sabotage
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 19, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great playlist.
“Sliver” has always been one of my favorite Nirvana songs. Actually, Incesticide as a whole is excellent. I still wish they would have included “D-7”, “Even In His Youth” and the electric version of “Something In The Way” though.
It seems as though we had a good draft. I hope they keep up the good work as the system could use it after all the trades.
by mattisnotfrench on Aug 19, 2009 12:29 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Silver is excellent
Positronic Upgraded Juggernaut Optimized for Logical Sabotage
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 19, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
*Sliver
Positronic Upgraded Juggernaut Optimized for Logical Sabotage
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 19, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good call on the Femmes
A must for any collection
The guy who really needs to come back to earth is Julio Lugo. He flat-out sucks, or at least he did until he sold his soul at the foot of the Gateway Arch. by Not Bruce Froemming BCB
by RiverRat on Aug 19, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I will say this is one of my favorite playlists
Nirvana, Pixies, and Sonic Youth are some of my favorite bands.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 19, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know...
I was trying to push The Holiday Song for Holliday instead any of the other “holiday” songs. But i guess it never caught on because of the inceet theme…
by Evilfrog on Aug 19, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have All Those Albums...
…but that Mazzy Star cut is one of my all-time favs. I still get goose-flesh when I hear Hope Sandoval sing this song.
:=8)
I hate Jason Marquis!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Aug 19, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I find 3B without much power interesting
Because I always think of it as a position that teams hope to get power from. However, look at Chone Figgins. I had no idea how good he had been this year. Is that kind of player the ceiling of a guy like Matt Carpenter?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Aug 19, 2009 12:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
how many Carpenters do we need, again?
The cubs already have a Chris Carpenter in their farm, such that is.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Got a problem with Carpenters?
J-man was a carpenter, you know. He will destroy this farm system and rebuild it in three days.
That was kind of random but I went with it anyway. By the way, I loved your Indiana Holliday flightpath map thingie if you didn’t already see. I regret implying that you were lazy.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Aug 19, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I have a stable of photoshop pegacorns
I sat back and ate a sandwich.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
do any of them have a horn filled with bournong & wings of bacon?
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by gdm426 on Aug 19, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thank you mattybobo
this reverend approves of your Jesus comparison…
by Big Rev on Aug 19, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I hope I didn't offend anybody, I figured it was pretty harmless.
It started out as an attempted reference to “Meet the Parents” and then the three days thing popped into my head.
Are you really a reverend? That’s pretty cool.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Aug 19, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The pool is luke!
Don’t explain your craft!
Shut up, Fritz™.
by Alxfritz on Aug 19, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get this reference. But it made me think...
…of this: “Did you see the pool? They flipped the bitch!”
by mojowo11 on Aug 19, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
I’m sure there are other pastors/ministers on here. I’m just one of those really young pastors of a church up here on the northwest side of chicagoland. i’m an avid reader and a less than frequent poster on VEB. I also enjoy reading the complaining at BCB so as to talk with my cub fan parishioners…your Jesus parallel actually made me almost spew my morning coffee with laughter.
by Big Rev on Aug 19, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
High five for Cardinals fans in Chicagoland
Born and raised in Evanston here, though I’ll be moving way out west to San Francisco within a week or two.
by mojowo11 on Aug 19, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Say hi to Bob & Kathy for me
Don't argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. - anon.
by Solanus on Aug 19, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bob & Kathy
Sorry for the completely unreferenced comment above. My brother worked with Kathy’s mother up in Chicagoland and we got to know them a bit. Bob & Kathy worked at WashU and we would stay at their house when we would catch a game in St. Louis. We took them & their newborn daughter to Game 3 of the NLDS in 2002; the little girl managed to sleep through the final 3 innings.
They moved out to San Francisco about 4 years ago. Need to come up with an excuse to go out to the Bay and see them.
Don't argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. - anon.
by Solanus on Aug 19, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha
Yeah, I was wondering who the hell you were talking about.
Also, that’s a little weird, since I just graduated from Wash U. Small world, etc.
by mojowo11 on Aug 19, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I was intentionally trying to be vague
Also, quoting Steven Wright: “I like to reminesce with people I don’t know. Granted, it takes longer.”
Don't argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. - anon.
by Solanus on Aug 19, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like that. I think I will steal it.
My friends accuse me of what they call “running for mayor”. Apparently, when I have a few Franklins, I decide to become friends with every stranger in the bar.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
by Eckstreem on Aug 19, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i just moved away from SF a couple of months ago
and miss it terribly. it’s an absolutely phenomenal city.
by djones9 on Aug 19, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm open to suggestions on places to go, things to see, people to f...
…uh, yeah, places to go, things to see.
I’m not making a ton of money, so if you have cheap(ish), worthwhile food options or suggestions for places that are a) affordable or b) worth the price of admission, I’d love to hear from a former local.
by mojowo11 on Aug 19, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh man, there is SO MUCH cheap (and delicious) food in SF.
i was in grad school there, so i’m all about the cheap stuff. i will now proceed to drool as i type:
pakistani/indian: lahore karahi in the tenderloin.
burritos: el metate in the mission.
fish & chips: piccadilly in polk gulch.
thai: lers ros in the tenderloin.
bakeries: tartine in the mission, la boulange all over the city (not cheap, but worth it).
coffee: ritual in the mission, blue bottle in hayes valley.
excuse me while i go cry.
by djones9 on Aug 19, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh, and there's...
brunch: brenda’s french soul food in civic center, booglaoos in the mission.
sandwiches: yellow sub in the inner sunset
tacos: nick’s crispy tacos in russian hill
burgers: in ‘n’ out, obviously (there’s one in fisherman’s wharf)
by djones9 on Aug 19, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a pastor and baseball fan
have you ever heard Dan St. Paul’s bit of Harry Carry broadcasting the first baseball game? Between the Bethlehem Braves and… oh, now I can’t remember.
Anyway, it is hilarious (if you can stand a touch or two of borderline sacrilege). I’ve got it on a B&T CD and have to break it out every now and then. I laugh just as long and loud each time as I did the first time I heard it.
by ArkansasTravs on Aug 19, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That somehow reminds me of Monty Python's Philosophers' soccer match
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92vV3QGagck
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Aug 19, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh my goodness that is hysterical
The Germans’ disputing was the best part.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Aug 19, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love the Confucious as ref and Karl Marx parts
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Aug 19, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
jerusalem giants
i love that skit. . . there is an extension to it that includes a rain delay and an ark that stinks to high heaven.
"Baseball is like Church, many attend, few understand" - Wes Westrum
by scoot on Aug 19, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
two preachers in the hizzy?
now i’m really embarrassed about all the cursing. i really am a awful, horrible human being
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by gdm426 on Aug 19, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least you're repenting
Kind of
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Aug 19, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i wonder how many holy mothers of a**
i have to do to be absolved of my sins?
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by gdm426 on Aug 19, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how many Carpenters do we need, again?
We also have a David Carpenter closing out games in low-A, I believe…
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 20, 2009 3:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't seen him play
but i have a hard time believing that Carpenter will be the basepath savant that Figgins is…i do think he has a potential .300 bat with around 15 homers and a really nice walk rate….i’m actually very high on him(though he is doing his damage in the low minors…and my ill-fated love for one Niko Vasquez gives me the heeby jeebies about jumping fully on any bandwagon)
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Aug 19, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Smoltz does well....
do the Cards offer arbitration? I don’t know the Type A, B stuff…… but just wondering what the options are.
by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Aug 19, 2009 12:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Offering arb wouldn't really make sense..
..he isn’t a Type A or B so there is no draft compensation to consider. Seems to me that if we offered arb and he accepts there is a possibility of a substantial overpay given his contract this year, with the only added benefit being the exclusive negotiation window. Given his choice of St. Louis already with WW and DeRo, I don’t think we need the exclusivity. Probably better off trying to strike a deal on our own accord and if he doesn’t like it, fine.
"I'll be glad to have Ryan [Braun] help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy." - Doug Melvin
by all4tookie on Aug 19, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh yeah, nice job RB....
Love those tidbits….. will be interesting to see where they are in 2011 and beyond.
by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Aug 19, 2009 12:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Due to the rise of the term Douchebag in our vernacular, I found this pretty amusing.
[IMG]http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu244/Eckstreem/untitled.jpg[/IMG]
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
by Eckstreem on Aug 19, 2009 12:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That's great!
I have a nephew that is in need of straightening out and that might do it.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 19, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
tell him that not only is it the dbag uniform
but it’s extremely dated…so you even the dbags make fun of you.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Aug 19, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He may not be wearing it like he did but I know he wore it like that,
and I made fun of his ass. But he still uses the f’ed up hair via gel, maybe I can get him to quit it, cuz he really isn’t a d-bag… at least I hope not.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 19, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's gotta be some kind of optical illusion...
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Aug 19, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't one of them Ryan Braun?
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
by Eckstreem on Aug 19, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
all 4 of them are
his douchebag ego has spawned dopplegangers
by dcfcblues on Aug 19, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The appalling thing ...
… is they were wearing the same thing (except for the stripes) in 1964.
Douchebaggery is forever.
by alberich on Aug 19, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hector Hernandez
http://toronto.bluejays.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=4828235
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2009 12:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
interesting arm slot.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Aug 19, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think i've seen bighames getting some time in RF? is that right?
they seem confused about where he’ll end up. stidham could be a nice 2b one day. calhoun had not hit my radar, although schneider has had some promising outings.
this draft is really exciting. we may not end up with a haul from it, but there’s some really interesting high-upside guys in it.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Aug 19, 2009 12:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lol
DG’s 10@10: Smoltz Attempts to Pull a Lugo
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2009 12:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
also: bake moar pies
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
also also: Brendan Ryan is a one-man circus
without the centerfield flagpole.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not only am I a Dan Calhoun fan
but I’m also pretty intrigued by Aaron Terry. Gotta love the extreme gb tendencies and k:bb so far. Not going to get too excited about either until next year, but looking forward to getting a look at them both in ST.
And Jameson Maj is kicking some butt for the San Angelo Colts. (Certainly outpitching his teammate Ezequiel Astacio, former Astro.) I’m still a bit baffled that we cut him—I never even got to see him pitch. He was injured for Spring Training of 2008 and was cut the day before I got there this year.
Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.
by liam on Aug 19, 2009 12:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So I bugged Goold today about helping us back the 2010 Powder Blue Campaign
And so I ask you…
Have you bugged Goold today?©
by mojowo11 on Aug 19, 2009 12:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great playlist, rb
Just got done reading “Fool The World” (an “oral” – yet written – biography of the Pixies) so lots of Pixies on the brain.
Lou Brock loves Lamp.
by birdjam on Aug 19, 2009 12:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If we bake enough pies
I think we can get Smoltz to go into the HOF as a Cardinal.
Shut up, Fritz™.
by Alxfritz on Aug 19, 2009 1:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
how many pies are we talking about here?
7?
by dcfcblues on Aug 19, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Moar Pie?
The guy who really needs to come back to earth is Julio Lugo. He flat-out sucks, or at least he did until he sold his soul at the foot of the Gateway Arch. by Not Bruce Froemming BCB
by RiverRat on Aug 19, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bring some St. Louis specific niceness so he doesn't get confused!
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Aug 19, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
...
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Aug 19, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you guys are killing me
i’m so freaking hungry
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by gdm426 on Aug 19, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hungry for wins?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
foooooooood
i haven’t eaten all day
and wins of course
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by gdm426 on Aug 19, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you have sunflower seeds
you can have both. that’s what i’ve heard
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i never got into the sunflower seed craze
but please don’t tell anyone, i do have a rep to up hold
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by gdm426 on Aug 19, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
your secret is safe with me and the intertubes
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holy crap, Albert is the like the mob king of the Midwest Niceness
From Holliday’s blog:
Albert has a guy who lent us a car so we’ve had a car.I guess I shouldn’t be surprised that “Albert has a guy.” But usually when someone has a guy, it’s for dirty work and possible whackings, not for engaging the Midwest Niceness. I bet Albert also has a guy who bakes Holliday and his family pies and delivers them fresh!
by mojowo11 on Aug 19, 2009 1:03 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
The St. Louis mob......
is apparently the opposite.
They bake you pies and lend cars UNTIL you do something wrong. Instead of getting whacked, they just don’t give you any more pie.
by mtalken on Aug 19, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the humanity!
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Leave the gun
Take the cannoli.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Aug 19, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i used to be many peoples car guy
now,,,,,i’m nobody’s guy
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by gdm426 on Aug 19, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
saw Scott Schneider pitch in 2008
Not big, but definitely athletic. Seemed like every other batter grounded out to second, so maybe that sinker really is PK-like.
by random on Aug 19, 2009 1:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tim Kurkjian talkin' bout us
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2009 1:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
same stuff, all positive.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
before they rip it out of youtube
The rainout walkoff: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egEL3DB2AJw
A little dramamine moment but not too bad.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2009 1:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If Carpenter gives up his 29 to Smoltz
I’m going to be very upset.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2009 1:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Smoltz should have some humor and go with 92
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Aug 19, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had the same thought
I'm dumb, she's a lesbian. I thought I had found the one.
We were good as married in my mind, but married in my mind's no good.
Pink triangle on her sleeve let me know the truth.
by thepainguy on Aug 19, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or 58
I'm dumb, she's a lesbian. I thought I had found the one.
We were good as married in my mind, but married in my mind's no good.
Pink triangle on her sleeve let me know the truth.
by thepainguy on Aug 19, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It just occurred to me that 55 is a really weird number for skip
Did he love 5 or something?
"I'll be glad to have Ryan [Braun] help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy." - Doug Melvin
by all4tookie on Aug 19, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He loves the power of 5
Who doesn’t?
by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Aug 19, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
5...is a ridiculous numbah.
"Baseball has been good to me since I quit trying to play it." - Whitey Herzog
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Aug 19, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then why isn't he playing 3B?
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Aug 19, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because TLR said "you'll play 4, but be one better"
by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Aug 19, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Smoltz will go with the number 66.
Double-serious.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
by Eckstreem on Aug 19, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
5 is...
…right out.
Play ball!
by IL and StL Fan on Aug 19, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably was assigned to him.
And he’s either superstitious or maybe he doesn’t give a shit.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Aug 19, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he can't drive, 55
Positronic Upgraded Juggernaut Optimized for Logical Sabotage
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 19, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good luck getting 42
off that wall.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
11
Like TRL chose 10 to get the Cards their 10th WS ring.
by southsidepat on Aug 19, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oquendo
has already changed a few times this year though.
by Evilfrog on Aug 19, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
He’s had 11 as long as I can remember.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Aug 19, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
McRae has
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
by StLHugo on Aug 19, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmm...
I need to stop smoking crack in the mornings.
by Evilfrog on Aug 19, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
None before noon for me.
The guy who really needs to come back to earth is Julio Lugo. He flat-out sucks, or at least he did until he sold his soul at the foot of the Gateway Arch. by Not Bruce Froemming BCB
by RiverRat on Aug 19, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's wearing 30
Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.
by liam on Aug 19, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sweet
let’s hope he pulls a mulder!
"Them Cubbies can kiss my ass" -Dizzy Dean
by Molina4MVP on Aug 19, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
too soon!
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's hope he pulls a Tudor
Proud sponsor of the Official 2009 StL Cardinal theme song: Reason to Believe
by gocards62 on Aug 19, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
as long as that's the only thing he pulls
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by gdm426 on Aug 19, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder
Does there come a point in a draft where a team pretty much knows they are gonna get certain players because there is really no danger of them being picked by anyone else? I would assume so, at least in the later rounds but what do I know.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Aug 19, 2009 1:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
insight abounds
set aside half an hour or so to really digest this one….
by cdb on Aug 19, 2009 1:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I gave up halfway through
too verbose for my taste
by dcfcblues on Aug 19, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baron writes at SI now?
Shut up, Fritz™.
by Alxfritz on Aug 19, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't get through it.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No kidding.
We’d be better off just dusting off an old copy of Moby Dick.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Aug 19, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
worst part is
you are probably correct – I’ll bet there is more baseball knowledge in moby dick than in that article….
by cdb on Aug 19, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anybody get the sense...
we’re headed for a 2-4 year run of division titles after this year? I know I’m getting ahead of myself, but I’m amazed at the dysfunction in our division. To wit:
- The Astros and Cubs are on the ugly side of “going for it” and failing. Their owners reluctance to sell everything and start over will only delay the rebuilding.
- The Reds have no money and a so-so farm system. Jocketty is making bizarre trades like picking up Rolen.
- The Pirates are collecting a vast horde of middling prospects. Unknown what will come of it… Likely nothing in the next few years.
- The Brewers are the best-placed of the bunch, but their pitching is horrendous with little on the horizon.
Please take this comment in the spirit it was intended.
by guayzimi on Aug 19, 2009 1:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think even the Brewers have a lot of problems.
From their push in 2008 to now, they have some serious holes. Granted they get Weeks back, but JJ Hardy was awful this year and Bill Hall is done. They need Gamel to be a stud and Cameron to continue to perform to even stay close, and that doesn’t address their pitching nightmare.
"I'll be glad to have Ryan [Braun] help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy." - Doug Melvin
by all4tookie on Aug 19, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They don't have many top-end prospects to trade for a solid arm, either
unless they’re willing to cut bait on gamel or escobar.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 20, 2009 4:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we need to resign Holliday.....
But if that happens, then yes. We’ve got a nice looking roster going forward.
There are 3 things the average man thinks he can do better than everybody else: build a fire, run a motel, and manage a baseball team.
-- Rocky Bridges
by SoonerfanTU on Aug 19, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His five year old is in school...
fingers crossed
"I'll be glad to have Ryan [Braun] help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy." - Doug Melvin
by all4tookie on Aug 19, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That helps.
Anybody know where his dad is coaching, if he is, these days? He was the head man at OK State. Not sure where he ended up after that.
There are 3 things the average man thinks he can do better than everybody else: build a fire, run a motel, and manage a baseball team.
-- Rocky Bridges
by SoonerfanTU on Aug 19, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Has anybody mentioned to him the great school choices available?
Not to mention that our own Forest Park offers fantastic opportunities like the St. Louis Zoo, the Saint Louis Art Museum and the Saint Louis Science Center, and they’re all free!
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Aug 19, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We can work out a pie arrangement for private parties.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Aug 19, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the new york yankees say: matt, can we buy you the metropolitain museum of art?
and the bronx zoo?
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Aug 19, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn Yankees...
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Aug 19, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
can you take me higher?
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by gdm426 on Aug 19, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hair band FAIL
“Can you take me high enough”
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Aug 19, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what? no, the lyrics say can you take me higher
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by gdm426 on Aug 19, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hair Band= high enough
Band with bad hair and religious-ey name and stap infection = higher
"Ludwick, I could kiss you on the nuts!" - the red baron 7-29-09
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Aug 19, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He actually mentioned his fam just went to the St. Louis Zoo
on his blog
"I'll be glad to have Ryan [Braun] help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy." - Doug Melvin
by all4tookie on Aug 19, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha. That's probably where I got the idea, since I think I read that earlier...
Anyway, this means it’s working! Somebody take the kids to Ted Drewes, stat! Call up Ozzie and ask him if Discovery Zone is still around.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Aug 19, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Magic House is the place to go (if it still exists)
by brackenthebox on Aug 19, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hell yeah
I drive by there a lot, it’s now three times the size of the original House.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good to hear
I gotta get back to St. Louis one of these days (and be 8 years old again).
by brackenthebox on Aug 19, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's more of a magic mansion now
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure that free part will be the real seller, Matty!
Hey, Mr. Holliday. Yeah, sure you can get 25 million from the Yanks, but with the cost of living being so much lower here in St. Lou, coupled with our FREE (that’s right, I said FREE) science center, museum, and zoo, our $15 million is really a better offer.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
by Eckstreem on Aug 19, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did we mention that admission is free???
Also, Holliday has to stay and see Chuck Berry live a few times before he dies.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Aug 19, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ambiguous pronoun FAIL.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Aug 19, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ahahaha
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is a pretty cool experience
Last time I saw him, he forgot the words to Roll Over Beethoven at one point.
Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.
by liam on Aug 19, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alas, the bowling museum is in the gutter. . . .
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
by akaitori on Aug 19, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
City Museum
on my one visit to StL, I remember going to a place called the city museum, which turned out to basically be a huge playground. I think it would pretty much be every kids dream http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_Museum
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 20, 2009 4:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On cue..
Reds/Brewers supposedly have an interesting deal in the making
"I'll be glad to have Ryan [Braun] help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy." - Doug Melvin
by all4tookie on Aug 19, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, I take your declining
if you take my mediocrity
by Oedipa Maas on Aug 19, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
can they afford Harang?
Surely if both are available, they’d take Harang. He’s still pretty good IMO. Arroyo is deeply mediocre, though…
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 20, 2009 4:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rolen
that’s definitely a weird trade to make for a 5th place team.
by nota bene on Aug 19, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jocketty said he'd provide...
leadership. Now they can’t get any pitching. And the Astros owner is living in a alternate universe where the seats are filled and a pennant race is occurring. This is pretty funny:
http://blogs.chron.com/sportsjustice/archives/2009/08/sometimes_i_thi_1.html
Please take this comment in the spirit it was intended.
by guayzimi on Aug 19, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The thing is, that isn't what Scott does
Scott shows up to work, punches the clock, does his job and then punches out again.
He isn’t a rah-rah, pat you on the back type guy.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did Hummel jump the shark?
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
by StLHugo on Aug 19, 2009 2:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A while ago, unfortunatly.
Shut up, Fritz™.
by Alxfritz on Aug 19, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What I meant was
that Smoltz is not officially signed yet he is already calling him part of the rotation and counting on him in Oct. I know the deal is “imminent” but it isn’t done yet.
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
by StLHugo on Aug 19, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't think that means what you think it means
"I think he's the best hitter of all time. I think there has never been a better hitter than him. And I know I didn't see them all, but I just don't think there could be." - Adam Wainwright on The Mang
by bmorgan on Aug 19, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's jumping the gun
But whether Hummel has jumped the shark is up for debate and only somewhat related.
That said, I wonder if maybe the phrase “jumped the shark” has jumped the shark? I still like to use it, but I’m pretty sure that if I asked a hipster he/she would tell me that only their grandma says “jump the shark” anymore.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Aug 19, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe the new phrase is
“Jumped into the Fridge” from the last Indiana Jones movie.
by Oedipa Maas on Aug 19, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wasn't a big fan of the new movie as a whole, but that scene was well-
choreographed.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Aug 19, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't "jump the shark" originate from Happy Days
when Fonzie actually jumped over a shark on waterskis
"I think he's the best hitter of all time. I think there has never been a better hitter than him. And I know I didn't see them all, but I just don't think there could be." - Adam Wainwright on The Mang
by bmorgan on Aug 19, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
and he did it again on Arrested Development.
Shut up, Fritz™.
by Alxfritz on Aug 19, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But THAT was awesome.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Aug 19, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heyyyyyyy
The guy who really needs to come back to earth is Julio Lugo. He flat-out sucks, or at least he did until he sold his soul at the foot of the Gateway Arch. by Not Bruce Froemming BCB
by RiverRat on Aug 19, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the action figure
How did I not have this as a kid?
The guy who really needs to come back to earth is Julio Lugo. He flat-out sucks, or at least he did until he sold his soul at the foot of the Gateway Arch. by Not Bruce Froemming BCB
by RiverRat on Aug 19, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactamundo, Mrs. C!
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Aug 19, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
I got my sayings mixed up….Just think of me as a Israeli Intelligence Officer working for NCIS and it will work itself out
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
by StLHugo on Aug 19, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
I actually have seen that show a few times. Not enough to know why she is there, but I kinda like it so far.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Aug 19, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My wife and I watch it all the time
even the reruns on USA
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
by StLHugo on Aug 19, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
NCIS
is the show I didn’t want to like but it just sucks you in.
I really like that they do a lot of camera tricks without using any CG. (Actually their CG always sucks, so there’s that.) The kind of stuff that the actors have to do, and they can’t fake it. My favorites are always the shots where the answer to the mystery is right there in front of you, but the misdirection is so smooth, you don’t get it till later.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I like the misdirection, its the wife then it isn’t her, then it looks like her again and in the end it is really someone else that you should have expected but they glossed over some.
Last night they had a rerun on about Abby going to work in an Army hospital, the real guy was staring you in the face the entire time but he was portrayed as a bit character till the very end.
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
by StLHugo on Aug 19, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
anything involving Harmon is awesome
I wanna age like that, damn. That’s some kind of voodoo. The best was … you watch the season finale that one time, with that one death? [spoiler vague] I watched it the first time, and first he’s there, and the next second he’s not…
Except they reran it months later, and I realized they hadn’t cheated. He was on camera leaving the room.
I gotta get my hands on the DVDs, though, because USA does edit them for time. There’s some good moments missing.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
also, Abby = win.
I haven’t met anyone who disagrees.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Early Abby not so much though
on USA I have seen a bunch from the pre and early McGee days and in those Abby is much less animated and more muted. Since then I think they allowed the actress to really take over the role and I like it more.
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
by StLHugo on Aug 19, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree
I can’t stand it when television tries to make someone geeky by just adding glasses. Dumb, dumb, dumb.
And of course there’s always “she’d end up in HR for doing/wearing something like that in real life.”
by sdrone on Aug 19, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
...huh?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What glasses?
She also isn’t as geeky as McGee, she does have some computer skills but she is more of a scientist. Also goth will not get you fired in most jobs that have a lax dress code, especially if you are as good at your job as she is.
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
by StLHugo on Aug 19, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not to mention, science geek girls my age and younger
are like that. Maybe not a majority, but ooooh man those are the ones you wanna track down in your average university science lab. They’re a lot of fun.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about Matt Adams?
23rd round out of the hardball hotbed, Slippery Rock University. .375/.417/.583 between JC and Batavia, 8 HR and 14BB in 168 ABs. Interesting to me. Plus he was 1st team (Div II) All-America and player of the year last year (.496/.566/.853 slash will do that).
For everyone still bitter about trading that stocky, lefty, destined for first base bat of Brett Wallace, meet Mathew Adams.
by BustaCard on Aug 19, 2009 2:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i think being a champ at a division II school like slippery rock just isn't the same as being a CWS
star at a div I school like arizona state.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Aug 19, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, maybe not an even exchange
But they’re both short, lefthanded, and husky!
And Adams deserves some consideration as an “interesting pick” from the draft.
by BustaCard on Aug 19, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Love Adams
Definitely a guy who has caught my eye even though his fate is probably with some other team.
by slu on Aug 19, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
c'est officiel: Joe Strauss:
BREAKING NEWS: SMOLTZ IS DONE. ON HIS WAY TO JOIN TEAM!!!
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Aug 19, 2009 2:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I still can't believe
how this season is coming together.
by Oedipa Maas on Aug 19, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So....if, and I mean IF, we win the WS
Does Theo Epstein get any sort of prize?
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Aug 19, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A nice slice of Pie?
The guy who really needs to come back to earth is Julio Lugo. He flat-out sucks, or at least he did until he sold his soul at the foot of the Gateway Arch. by Not Bruce Froemming BCB
by RiverRat on Aug 19, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he owes us for 04
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
he gets to call cashman up and exclaim "oh, you didn't win the WS? again? huh."
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Aug 19, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting theory, Tom.
Theo knows the Bosox are struggling to make the playoffs at all, so he lets Smoltz go to a team in the national league that can beat the Evil Empire. To the Sawx, the only thing better than winning the world series is watching the Yankees lose it. Preferably to the Cards.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
by Eckstreem on Aug 19, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In this way, the Red Sox can defeat the Yankees in the World Series
The Red Sox already beat the Cardinals in the WS. If the Cardinals beat the Yankees in the WS then by transitivity, the Red Sox beat the Yankees in the WS. It’s quite brilliant actually.
by brackenthebox on Aug 19, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except that we get the hardware and they just get a warm fuzzy feeling.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 19, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fine with me
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Aug 19, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I too would have a warm, fuzzy feeling if we won the WS.
I believe my head will feel very warm and fuzzy the next day.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
by Eckstreem on Aug 19, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a Cow...
…I’m always feelin’ fuzzy…
;=8)
I hate Jason Marquis!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Aug 20, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
article
corresponding move could just be to demote boggs, yes? thompson or motte could be candidates, too.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Aug 19, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Love this.
No risk move. Doesn’t it seem like May was three seasons ago?
"I'll be glad to have Ryan [Braun] help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy." - Doug Melvin
by all4tookie on Aug 19, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And he comes with
facial hair already included!!!!
by Oedipa Maas on Aug 19, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
reading the tea leaves in the linked article....
Smoltz is also expected to receive another shot at starting after the Red Sox rejected him following eight appearances.
Smoltz is the only pitcher in the game’s history to win 200 games and record 150 saves. That versatility will serve him well as it’s expected that Smoltz eventually will move to a set-up role fronting closer Ryan Franklin.
….this makes it sound like Mo/Tony/Dunc/somebody said to him, look, you’ll get a shot at the #5 slot, but we reserve the right to move you to the bullpen cause we think you can be the righthanded setup man that we don’t really have right now.
This makes me happy =)
I hope they don’t sign him for next year though….I hope this is strictly a risk-free rental.
by nota bene on Aug 19, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope Smoltz
helps carry us to another WS win, and then he can retire on a high note.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Aug 19, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that would be kind of awesome, wouldn't it?
/understatement
by nota bene on Aug 19, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would be acceptable.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Aug 19, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
I guess so, it’s something we could live with right?
by kyle3776 on Aug 19, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Begrudgingly, of course.
/dont’ know why I’m keeping this going
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Aug 19, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we're appeasing the GOBs
carry on [waves tiny flag]
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yadi, you crack me the hell up.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 19, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you laugh now
When the starters narrowly avoid a tragic shaving accident, you won’t be laughing.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Forgive him, lords
he knows not what he says
by Oedipa Maas on Aug 19, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can you please forgive me GOBs?!!!!!
I am but a humble fan and do not know assuage thee!!!!!!!
What is my pennance?
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 19, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The GOBs require a sacrifice of one goatee
by brackenthebox on Aug 19, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But I have no goatee to give!!!!
How about a seven day growth of beard?
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 19, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
looks like you’ll have to consult the oracle*
*Instructions not included
by brackenthebox on Aug 19, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Oracle told me that I had to grow a goatee like Franklin's
in order to sacrifice it. And to not engage in carnal activites while doing so. Which if I grow it, I won’t be able to engage in said activities because my fiance won’t let me touch her. That’s the real sacrifice.
/ Oracle……that’s fuckin priceless!
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 19, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
as for who they demote
I think it’s going to be about who they think Smoltz is going to replace. If they give him the fifth starting slot right away, it should be Boggs. If they stick him in the pen right away, it should be Motte.
PK seems to be getting a little old to constantly be shuffling btw Memphis and St. Louis….plus he did a good job against LA last night. Every team needs somebody who can be called in for mop-up duty/long relief.
by nota bene on Aug 19, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
was it boggs
that has trouble warming up quickly? Cause it seems his performance history suggests he is the perfect long man. Good for 3-4 innings than he collapses into a slushy pile of BOB goo on the mound by the fifth. I would rather have boggs as the longman than PK.
by cdb on Aug 19, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
I saw him come out real early in his last start at Busch. I think the Hawk is in the bullpen because he takes less time.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice
…then he collapses into a slushy pile of BOB goo…
I laughed.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 19, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
PTBNL
Anyone heard anything new on the PTBNL or cash that was supposed to go to the Red Sox in the Duncan \ Lugo deal?
Smoltz deal reportedly done. Please send Motte back to the minors to get his act back together. I can’t watch him anymore and I want him to be part of the future of this team. The beatings he is taking can’t be helping his psyche.
How about handin' me another helpin' of those mashed taters...thank you very much!
by Elvis on Aug 19, 2009 2:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Motte being sent down to minors will depend on post season roster, right?
Does not a player have to be on the 25 player list on August 31 to be on the post season roster?….. if so, they only have one day left before they can send Motte down and get him back in time, right?
by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Aug 19, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's fast like lightning.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, they only have to be on the 40-man, iirc.
anyway, everybody on the 40-man can come up on sept. 1, so i think even if you send someone down in late august, they can come back up on the 1st.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Aug 19, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I found this....
Playoff Rosters: Playoff rosters must be set at 25, not including disabled players, on August 31. For each player on the 60-day DL, teams may add players to the eligible list during the playoffs at the same position, provided that they were in the organization on August 31. This is why some teams will bring up injured minor-league players and put them on the 60-day DL. Teams must choose 25 players from their playoff eligible list before each round of the playoffs.
by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Aug 19, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahmady doesn't have near the power
Methinks
godfather of futureredbirds.net
by erik on Aug 19, 2009 2:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh Smug Joe Strauss, how do I dislike thee?
I literally laughed out loud at Joe’s respose to a question about whether Holliday’s stats prior to this season were due to the “Coors Effect” as was discussed last offseason:
Good question: Haven’t heard a lot from the spreadsheet guys since Holliday’s breakout start here. I’m sure they’re in wait for when his NL average dips to .375.
Yes, Joe. Those 93 ABs in a Cardinal uniform completely wipeout any prior career splits. Now, lets all go back to our mothers’ basements with our calculators and laptops so that we can lie in wait for Holliday’s average to dip. Then we’ll show ’em!
by Ray Lankford on Aug 19, 2009 2:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't he understand that Holliday's BA WILL dip to .375?
Actually, it will dip past .375. Then what?
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Aug 19, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then the sniveling little "spreadsheet guys" will get to say "we told you so"
Little bastards!
/ shakes fist!
by Ray Lankford on Aug 19, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Get off Joe's lawn!
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
by Eckstreem on Aug 19, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd almost be willing to make a bet with him
that Matt Holliday’s BA and SLG will fall below the .584 he slugged in Coors last year by the end of the season.
If he wins, I’ll tell him my real name. If I win, he has to depants himself on the mound during the NLDS and stand there until the cops tackle him.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you just made that bet
we have it in writing now you smug no name bastard!**
* * mattyfrommo doesn’t really think HL is a bastard, please don’t ban me
"Ludwick, I could kiss you on the nuts!" - the red baron 7-29-09
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Aug 19, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You just totally destroyed my opinion of your parents
I always thought it was so awesome that they named their kid Hardcore Legend.
by BTown Birds fan on Aug 19, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can he suck his thumb while depantsed?
That shit would be hilarious.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 19, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's always hilarious when people are smug in their own idiocy.
Because, as has been pointed out, he isn’t going to hit like Stan Musial on PEDs for the remainder of the season. Then again, this is Joe Strauss, so I should be used to it by now.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 19, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
to be fair
Holliday is getting a LOT of ABs w/ guys on….hitting behind Pujols will do that for you….
by nota bene on Aug 19, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's surprising
that Joe-Baiting hasn’t spread from Morgan’s chat’s to Strauss’s.
Of has it??
Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.
by liam on Aug 19, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pardon my french...
…but fucking shit, Strauss. I guarantee you have never once heard a “spreadsheet guy,” whatever the hell that is, complain about having Matt Holliday on the team (more that the FO had to give up lots of cheap talent for a probable rental), and I guarantee you’ve never once heard them happy when their regression-to-the-mean predictions inevitably come true. Why? Because no matter what cranky writers think, stats guys love baseball too….it’s just that their understanding of the game is vastly different then yours. Seriously, these backhanded insults are worse than someone just coming out and saying “YOU’RE A NERD GO BACK TO THE BASEMENT!”
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 19, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And Brett Wallace is still free for the next 3 years
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Aug 19, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed
Mozeliak’s work this season sort of reminds me of a young kid who gets a huge inheritance but not the requisite sense to go with it. They get all of their money and maybe at first try to be smart. They make an investment here (Wallace and other draftees), they buy something they need there (Lohse’s first contract, LaRue, Miller, Sweat)…and then suddenly they lose patience or something and just say “FUCK THAT SHIT!” and blow through a huge portion on beer (DeRosa), hot women (Smoltz), cars (Holliday—he’s religious so it would be bad form to assosciate him with more vice-y things), and blow (Lugo-makes you feel awesome for awhile before the inevitable crash to earth). It was fun while it lasted, at least until you’re living in your least-expensive car and you’ve got a baby on the way, whose mother is named Cinnamon and she has crabs.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 19, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
You are a teacher, no?
I hope spread this kind of love of the Cardinals to the next generation of fans in this EXACT way.
"Ludwick, I could kiss you on the nuts!" - the red baron 7-29-09
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Aug 19, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If only
They don’t let me talk about things using this sort of analogy in a public high school. It’s a bummer. I accidentally let a “shit” slip in class like 4 years ago and you would have thought I had pooped in the middle of the room…14 shocked expressions and 5 more giggling in the back. I got a call from a parent no less! Imagine if I started talking about blow and beer in class!
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 19, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
May I? what do you teach? Level? I have close to 40 years at various levels in several countries. Just curious.
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
by akaitori on Aug 19, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
American history in HS, which is JR's in Missouri
I also teach Civics and Geography sometimes. I won’t say what school b/c I would feel weird if one of my students’ parents “rooted me out.” I like being a fake name!
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 19, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You must have forgot
that Smoltz is also “religious” as you say.
by saladdays on Aug 19, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh?
Well I pretty young ladies aren’t inherently vice-y. Not unless you’ve, ahem, paid for their, ahem, company…
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 19, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cinnamon = awesome
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
by gdm426 on Aug 19, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like a hooker/stripper name to me!
I don’t know many, so this was a guess!
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 19, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good for Strauss
There are 3 things the average man thinks he can do better than everybody else: build a fire, run a motel, and manage a baseball team.
-- Rocky Bridges
by SoonerfanTU on Aug 19, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Care to elaborate?
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 19, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea
There is alot of truth to it. The number crunchers, the saber guys, the guys that think you can measure wins/losses by a player’s batting average, they nearly all thought Holliday was done, and that he couldn’t come close to doing what he has done so far.
Yes, it is obvious to EVERYBODY in the universe that his numbers will come down. It is also obvious that we are talking about a guy that is as good of a hitter as anybody outside of that top, elite status. The guy can rake. People tried comparing him to Ludwick. People tried comparing him to alot of folks that aren’t in his league. He was the perfect fit for our lineup, and for Albert. I said that going back to last year, so no hind sight here. I also said he’d resign with us b/c he likes the Midwest, and isn’t the money-hungry type.
There are 3 things the average man thinks he can do better than everybody else: build a fire, run a motel, and manage a baseball team.
-- Rocky Bridges
by SoonerfanTU on Aug 19, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"nearly all" is a not a fair characterization. i remember a lot of discussion of holliday's
stats – ad nauseum, imo – about whether he was a Coors effect star or not. there were a number of folks who thought he would do very well, if not quite as well as at Coors. many of the statheadiest fellows here said that his performance in Oakland was the outlier, not his performance at Coors. Most people who discussed it seriously – using stats – said holliday would end up a .850 OPS kind of guy.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Aug 19, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most pointed to his road stats.....
which I didn’t think then, was a good barameter.
Matt Holliday. Nuff said.
by SoonerfanTU on Aug 19, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You deal in generalities.
Stat-heads like specifics. I think this is the biggest disconnect.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Aug 19, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What was general about that?
I can’t list the name of every poster, reporter, and person I know that claimed his road stats over his career would probably be what he would produce.
And we don’t always know the specifics, that is the one thing that burns me up. Colby doesn’t start and his fan club goes nuts, assuming LaRussa loves Ankiel more. I don’t like jumpint to that conclusion, especially since Colby has been streaky, is nursing a heel injury that will likely affect him all season, and has some kind of stomach issue as well.
Matt Holliday. Nuff said.
by SoonerfanTU on Aug 19, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, then "most" is just wrong, i humbly submit. i watched the discussion
and it was usually even-handed. the fact that people disagreed, argued from statistics in cogent ways, and sometimes convinced one another or agreed to disagree is what makes this site great.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Aug 19, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, but saying
“nearly all” and “most” is unfair and general. There are plenty of people who wanted Matt Holliday, plenty of people who wanted him but though the cost too high, people who didn’t want him, people who thought he would underperform. Those are a few opinions that were characterized on this blog, all by people who like stats. But we’re all lumped together for no good reason.
I’m thrilled Holliday is here. I’m not too bummed over losing Wallace. I hope Matt will re-sign. I know he won’t keep performing like this. I mean, no one can. But I’m happy to enjoy it while he does.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Aug 19, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
here's another example.
azruavatar and all4tookie discuss the role of road splits and park adjustments at good length. sure, there’s some snark, but people are open and talking and both perspectives are represented fairly and vigorously.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Aug 19, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
there's any number of good conversations in the archives.
VEP and lboros discussed the matter thoroughly. Even lboros, who was taking the “road stats” angle admits that holliday was likely a .900 OPS hitter. the thread also links to a Beyond the Boxscore article which discussed holliday’s road splits and estimated his non-Coors value.
i think if you look back, there may have been some people who just said “meh, road splits” but there was a lot of sophisticated discussion of the topic. well-reasoned, statistically-based discussion.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Aug 19, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And, personally, I was
skeptical about the trade. I wasn’t so worried about Holliday’s BA or OBP, more his power. I just thought his power numbers would not hold up outside of Coors. His home/away splits evidenced this.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
by Eckstreem on Aug 19, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Has his power been ample enough for you to date in STL?
Matt Holliday. Nuff said.
by SoonerfanTU on Aug 19, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What the hell?
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Aug 19, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing is powerful enough to get Eckstreem a date anywhere, including STL
amirite?
"I'll be glad to have Ryan [Braun] help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy." - Doug Melvin
by all4tookie on Aug 19, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Nicely done
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Aug 19, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was one of the most vocal
about Holliday being overrated, but that didn’t mean I didn’t want him or thought he was a bad player. It meant I didn’t want to pay for him based on his Coors Field numbers. If you want to call him an .850 OPS guy with a an above average LF glove who is a “gritty” player I have no problem with that. If you want to insist he will put up virtually the same numbers as he has in the past, that he is worth what we gave up for him as a rental and that he is worth $20M per year then I will have to disagree.
FWIW, the guys closest to .850 OPS right now are Nick Swisher, Robinson Cano, and K. Fukudome.
Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...
by giveml on Aug 19, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is there no room
between that group of players, and his Coors numbers?
I happen to think we’ll see very similiar numbers to what he had in Coors, will a little less power, probably a few more doubles, and maybe more walks. That is still a damn good hitter. You can tell he is above and beyond the 2nd best hitter on the team. Not even close. Just from watching him take AB’s you can see that.
Matt Holliday. Nuff said.
by SoonerfanTU on Aug 19, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure what you mean
besides I don’t really want to go down that road again. We already spent our rent money on the stripper, so I am not going to worry about paying the rent as long as the stripper is still putting on a show.
The only point I wanted to make is that not everybody who thought he would take a performance hit was making out like he was some kind of lousy player.
When the season is over and we are talking about $100M+ I’ll worry about what I think he will do in the future.
Those Pilgrims ain't lookin' so proud now...
by giveml on Aug 19, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Whoa, Sooner.
What you just said bears no relevance to the above subject and, in fact, makes very little sense.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
by Eckstreem on Aug 19, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
they nearly all thought Holliday was done
Nobody thought this. People did think that his numbers were inflated. Just like his numbers are now. Therefore, people argued, any deal for him should be struck with some regression in mind.
by Ray Lankford on Aug 19, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bullshit.
Even the “stats” people, who by the way are not the stats people, just the intelligent people on this board, disagreed about what Holliday would produce and what he was worth. VEP, for instance, was all over Holliday, arguing for a trade despite the fact that he’s probably the biggest “stat” guy on this blog. On the other hand, people like (I think) Kindred were pretty convinced that Oakland was proof that he was not a top five hitter outside of Coors.
But more importantly, did you even read the reply directly above your own? RBN perfectly lays out why you and Strauss are in la-la-land, arguing against a straw-stats-man-nerd who does not exist.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Aug 19, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly right.
rec’d.
FWIW I think I fall in pretty much the exact middle ground re:Holliday, and did before. He’ll be the 2nd best position player on the team, and is probably an .850-.900 OPS hitter going forward as a Cardinal. He won’t be quite the near-1.000 OPS guy he was in Colorado, however.
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by Felonius_Monk on Aug 20, 2009 4:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Response
There is alot of truth to it. The number crunchers, the saber guys, the guys that think you can measure wins/losses by a player’s batting average, they nearly all thought Holliday was done, and that he couldn’t come close to doing what he has done so far.
That’s a gross generalization. The argument was never whether Holliday was bad…it was over exactly what kind of player Holliday is. Is he an .850 OPS doubles hitter? Is he a .900 OPS player? Is he a .950 OPS player? To what degree did Coors inflate (and to what degree did McAfee Coliseum deflate) his numbers? How good exactly is his his defense? Is whatever the total package Holliday brings for the next few months worth losing the organization’s top hitting prospect and a potentially viable starting pitcher, and all the cheap years they bring? I think you’ll find a whole slew of answers to these questions. None of them were “Is Holliday good or bad.” There is a degree of nuance here that Strauss, and apparently you as well, missed entirely.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 19, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the batting average comment reveals how much he understands (and is interested
in learning about) the stat community. usually, the least statistically inclined are the ones who say “but he’s a .300 hitter! that’s very valuable.”
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Aug 19, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The guy (or possible a girl, we don't really know for certain)...
…clearly isn’t interested in learning or in an intellectual debate. He’s here to get Cardinals news (which he/she has said before on another thread) and b/c I guess he/she gets Something out of the discussion. I’m a patient guy who also sees (or hopes for) the best in people and as such I don’t think Sooner is here to stir stuff up. He/she is just really really stubborn and doesn’t like to be wrong, or something. That’s what I hope anyway.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 19, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
No “spreadsheet guys” give a rats ass about batting average, so that’s a red flag right there. The guy is not new to this board. He has a lot to say too. While I generally disagree with him, that’s all just fine really. Having different viewpoints is good and healthy. What I cannot understand is how a guy who reads posts daily and finds himself in passionate debate with people here regularly would think that ANYBODY here would measure wins and losses by frickin’ batting average. Anybody. Yet he doesn’t even think some people think BA is important, he thinks the TYPICAL person here thinks that way. Batting average??? That’s what guys like Joe Strauss hang on to.
If that doesn’t tell everyone that the guy doesn’t take even 2 seconds to listen to what anyone else here has to say, then nothing will. You’re just banging your head against the wall. I’m as guilty as anyone in getting involved in stupid back and forths, so not lecturing. Just saying… I think almost every single poster here thinks batting average is vastly overvalued, and most have said as much at one point or another. And yet his takeaway is everyone here is fixated on batting average. He doesn’t have to agree with anything anyone says, but for shit’s sake, can’t he at least read what they say?
I feel a little bit like Jim Mora here….or maybe it is Allen Iverson. Not sure which.
by Merry CRasmus on Aug 19, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Playoffs? You want to talk about...PLAYOFFS???
I mean, we’re talking about practice!
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 19, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You play to win the game
You don’t play just to play
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
by totalloser on Aug 19, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Herman Edwards
Good line, but neither Mora nor Iverson.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 20, 2009 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
Is he an .850 OPS doubles hitter? Is he a .900 OPS player? Is he a .950 OPS player? To what degree did Coors inflate (and to what degree did McAfee Coliseum deflate) his numbers? How good exactly is his his defense? Is whatever the total package Holliday brings for the next few months worth losing the organization’s top hitting prospect and a potentially viable starting pitcher, and all the cheap years they bring? I think you’ll find a whole slew of answers to these questions. None of them were "Is Holliday good or bad."
And not a gawd-damned one of those answers is found by smugly citing 93 ABs.
by Ray Lankford on Aug 19, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Strauss, circa September, 2005
Mark Mulder won 16 games in 2005. And he could have won 20 w/ more run support! Those smug Excel-using statdorks said that this was a poor trade. As my colleague Bernie says (or will say in 2009…I’M G-DARN PSYCHIC STFU!), Haren and Barton are just Faberge egg prospects. You cannot win without proven proveness. Mulder is proven to be proven. He sweats intimidation and pees steely-eyed resolve. And he WINS! He gets WINS! Take that, statnerdos!
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 19, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I am aware that it's not worked out for Barton
That’s me talking, not 2005 Joe.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 19, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You want an example of how you make these arguments about you
rather than about the substantive issue
I said that going back to last year, so no hind sight here.
BOOM goes the dynamite! Not everyone here is always in disagreement with your or Strauss and your comments stop with the ‘Sooner vs. the World’ reverberations, people are going to react negatively to YOU and not the argument.
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by azruavatar on Aug 19, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A reasonable, thought out response from you, as usual.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Aug 19, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're a first rate flamer...
the best I’ve ever seen on VEB since I joined 3.5 years ago. Hardcore used to be the best, but now he appears to be the establishment.
Please take this comment in the spirit it was intended.
by guayzimi on Aug 19, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Flamer-Troll debate
is not as much fun as the Great Douchebag-Hipster Debate of Aught Nine
"Ludwick, I could kiss you on the nuts!" - the red baron 7-29-09
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Aug 19, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And to be honest
I’m not even sure what he is referring to. The only time I’ve ever gone off on anyone not named Sooner was once I was infuriated that Larry would rather the team miss the playoffs than limp into them in 2006 or some such.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Hipster/Doofus line has always been a hard one for me to define
I'm dumb, she's a lesbian. I thought I had found the one.
We were good as married in my mind, but married in my mind's no good.
Pink triangle on her sleeve let me know the truth.
by thepainguy on Aug 19, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's a constant education for me.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
your mom is a flamer.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 20, 2009 4:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly
why are you here?
Shut up, Fritz™.
by Alxfritz on Aug 19, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't agree with a reporter?
If you can disagree with him, I can agree with him.
There are 3 things the average man thinks he can do better than everybody else: build a fire, run a motel, and manage a baseball team.
-- Rocky Bridges
by SoonerfanTU on Aug 19, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just think there are other sites you'd fit in better with.
Unless you just like arguing, I don’t get why you post here everyday.
Shut up, Fritz™.
by Alxfritz on Aug 19, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not arguing.
Are you?
Matt Holliday. Nuff said.
by SoonerfanTU on Aug 19, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i know you are but what am i
why do we feed the trolls?
by FunkeeC on Aug 19, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ehh
Sooner is not a troll…he has a drastically different perspective than most of the people on this blog, but he’s no troll
i actually like having a different point of view expressed…don’t always agree, but its good to see the other side of the coin
I say keep it coming Sooner, you are a Cardinal fan that is passionate about the team, and that is good enough for me
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Aug 19, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If one of us goes onto BCB to tell them how great we think the Cards are compared to the Cubs,
that’s also a drastically different perspective being expressed.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Aug 19, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the difference is intent.
Going over to BCB would be with the expressed intent of stirring up trouble. I honestly do not believe Sooner is doing that.
Albert Pujols is ridiculous.
by stlhulsey on Aug 19, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously?
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Aug 19, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
seriously
Albert Pujols is ridiculous.
by stlhulsey on Aug 19, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm not sure how you come to this conclusion
seems to me arguing in circles is the only intent from his posts
by FunkeeC on Aug 19, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, a guy who has ripped this blog on many occasions
is quoted and then further insults saber-minded people and Sooner says ‘Good for him’ and that isn’t trolling?
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
again,
I just don’t believe his intent is to start a flame war. Maybe I’m wrong, but that’s ok. The easiest solution would be to ignore his posts altogether.
For what it’s worth, I agree that this isn’t the place for him.
Albert Pujols is ridiculous.
by stlhulsey on Aug 19, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Maybe we are all just trolls in Sooner's world",
all4tookie thought to himself as he peered through the dusty blinds of his fourth floor enclosure.
"I'll be glad to have Ryan [Braun] help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy." - Doug Melvin
by all4tookie on Aug 19, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
personally
i don’t have blinds in my basement…..
by FunkeeC on Aug 19, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow man.... you just blew my ever-loving mind....
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 20, 2009 4:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Debatable
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Aug 19, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has a different perspective but the same general goal in mind unlike if we went to BCB
It would be completely different if he was just lobbing verbal molotov cocktails, not caring about the Redbirds
"I'll be glad to have Ryan [Braun] help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy." - Doug Melvin
by all4tookie on Aug 19, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
having an opinion that differs
is fine. he does much more than just disagree with other posters here. IMO, he offers no substance, entertainment, or enjoyment to this blog and takes us off on unnecessary tangents that lead to nothing but frustrated posters who engaged him. in other words, he is a troll
by FunkeeC on Aug 19, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
in other words
There are, in fact, many people in the world who have nothing better to do than post THREE WORDS and get a half dozen to twenty people to jump into their threads.
That’s power. If anyone thinks there are no people in the world who do something just for the power trip, then you owe me some pie.
Lots of us do it legitimately. It’s a rush. If you have not been to boards where everyone has been on the internet for 4 or more years, it is difficult to look at some forms of internet communication and draw parallels to real life. It physically works differently because of the technology. If you don’t want it to continue, then stop hitting Post. It’s that easy.
In the meantime, y’all please stop breaking the threads? Some of us are not on fast computers.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't disagree with you,
but you look like a guy who could use some MOAR PIE
Hope you like Peach.
The guy who really needs to come back to earth is Julio Lugo. He flat-out sucks, or at least he did until he sold his soul at the foot of the Gateway Arch. by Not Bruce Froemming BCB
by RiverRat on Aug 19, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am actually eating an ice cream drumstick
But it’s not homemade.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
[bundles up the pie and sends it to Matt Holliday]
[and okay, DeRosa, because Colby thinks he’s teh funneh]
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Begin teh operation...
Operation Midwest Nice Engage!
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 19, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dear Matt and Mark
Wud u like some moar piez?
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 19, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
STOP IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
by gdm426 on Aug 19, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wud YOU like piez?
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 19, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s power. If anyone thinks there are no people in the world who do something just for the power trip, then you owe me some pie.
I don’t owe you some pie.
Would you like some pie?
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 20, 2009 4:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fair enough
I’ll leave it alone.
Albert Pujols is ridiculous.
by stlhulsey on Aug 19, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In Sooner's defense
(holy sht did I write that?)
We are awfully quick to jump on him here. Strauss tweeted something to the effect of “see you stat guys don’t always know everything” after I’m sure he was lambasted for his stance on the deal. All Sooner did was say good for making them accountable.
Do I agree with Strauss’s broad stereotype and assessment? Of course not. Was Sooner smug and vindictive in his all-subject, no substance response? Of course. But I don’t know why anyone would be surprised – save the daggers for an argument that can be logically resolved.
"I'll be glad to have Ryan [Braun] help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy." - Doug Melvin
by all4tookie on Aug 19, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How has Strauss been vindicated?
He’s created some huge strawman, I’m guessing to prove his point.
The arguments against Holliday were that we didn’t think Brett Wallace or Ryan Ludwick cost controlled were worth Matt Holliday for either a year/4 month rental or worth giving him $16 M+ a year.
Matt Holliday hitting for 100 PAs proves what?
Here is a little factoid, a little nugget for JSL Live. Matt Holliday, slayer of the NL West has, shockingly, had 42 of his 104 Cardinal plate appearances vs……bum bum buuuuumm The NL WEST!
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He certainly put me in my place!
Now, back to my fucking spreadsheets.
by Ray Lankford on Aug 19, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Must.....restrain.........
To calm down, here’s a picture of a wizard
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Aug 19, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well-played, sir.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Aug 19, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Sir.
That is a picture of the Wizard.
This is a picture of a wizard.
The guy who really needs to come back to earth is Julio Lugo. He flat-out sucks, or at least he did until he sold his soul at the foot of the Gateway Arch. by Not Bruce Froemming BCB
by RiverRat on Aug 19, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Touche
And just for clarification, this is not a picture of a wizard.
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Aug 19, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No wizard...
He’s the Motherfletching Wicked Witch of the Central (NL, of course).
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 19, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where is Chris Duncan when you need him?
/sacrilege
"I'll be glad to have Ryan [Braun] help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy." - Doug Melvin
by all4tookie on Aug 19, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My response to this comment can be summed up by your facial expression in your avatar
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Aug 19, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nobody beats the WIZ
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by gdm426 on Aug 19, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The debate isn't closed
I don’t know why Joe decides to gloat now. Holliday was likely to give this team a lift. I don’t know anyone who didn’t suspect that would happen. Now it has been much better than anyone could have expected so far. That’s the thing when you rent a guy for 200 AB’s…the expected range of outcomes in that short a span are wide and he is cleaning up right now. The short term pop is the absolute best case scenario and that is awesome. That’s always been only one dimension of it though. We’ll see how it all plays out in the long run. We know we gave up a lot, so in my mind, we have to make the playoffs and actually do something in them to make it worth it.
Put another way, if we end up taking the division by 10 games and get beat in the NLDS I can’t see how this was a win. On one hand, no player is a 10 game guy in only 8 or 9 weeks. So, in hindsight, we probably would have still won the division if we run away with this. If we get bumped early in the playoffs, well, that probably would have happened without him too. So we’ll see how it all plays out.
What Joe is doing with that snarky jab is a lot like me deciding to go out to the bar on a weeknight. I drink several beers. Everyone decides to do a shot of tequila. It’s 10 PM, everyone is having a great time, I’m buzzed and I think going out was the best idea in the world. Maybe it is, maybe it isn’t. I may have a completely different opinion of things at 2AM. I may have a different opinion at 8AM when my alarm rings and it is time to go to work again too.
by Merry CRasmus on Aug 19, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One more point
and I am not sure it’s necessary because no one is reading this thread anymore. But I am going to say it anyway because Strauss really pissed me off with this. Julio Lugo is hitting .343/.392/.567 since coming on with the Cardinals. He’s been fantastic too so far. HOF caliber in his 67 ABs!!! Best of all, it only cost Chris Duncan to get him.
Now TLR and dad were pissed off as hell when the trade went down. Dad even went on the record saying, "The way I look at it is he was traded for a player who had very little (leverage) … he was designated for assignment. It’s highly unusual for a major-league roster player to be traded for somebody like that. So somebody wanted to get him out of the organization, and they’ve accomplished what they wanted to accomplish. Either that or we don’t have anybody in the minor leagues that they wanted for (Lugo). One or the other."
That trade ruffled some feathers. That is clear. For the last 4 weeks, or whatever, it has worked beautifully. Now would it be ok for someone on this board, or anywhere, to say something like this…“Good question: Haven’t heard a lot from the LaDuncan supporters since Lugo’s breakout start here. I’m sure they’re in wait for when his NL OPS dips to .900.”? Would that be ok with Sooner? I’d say no. And you know what? They’d be right. That would be a cheap way to score points for a lot of the same reasons, and it is too simple minded a way to view the Lugo trade too – even though there are not near as many variables to consider in the Lugo trade vs. the Holliday deal.
by Merry CRasmus on Aug 19, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
+1
Very well put — the Lugo analogy and all.
by Ray Lankford on Aug 19, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm reading still!
I agree. Good posts, sir.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 20, 2009 2:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
espn says it's done
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2009 3:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They were able to fit that in?
I thought it was all Favre all the time now again?
The guy who really needs to come back to earth is Julio Lugo. He flat-out sucks, or at least he did until he sold his soul at the foot of the Gateway Arch. by Not Bruce Froemming BCB
by RiverRat on Aug 19, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
themed show of old dudes coming back.
Smoltz was a nice footnote.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WAIT BRETT FAVRE UNRETIRED!?>!/!/?
THAT’S UNPOSSIBLE! HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO RETIRE!
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Aug 19, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait...
What is Bret Fav-rah doing here?
by kyle3776 on Aug 19, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i hate barney farva
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by gdm426 on Aug 19, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tyler Bighames
hasn’t play SS in the pros at all. He’s played one game at 3B, one game a C, 4 at DH and 18 games in the OF. I don’t think the team sees him as a 3B. They see him as an OFer – and they began putting him out there immediately.
by Toddius on Aug 19, 2009 3:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I Am Very Curious..
…to see cow Tyler Big Hams works out; maybe he cud replace Walrus as the Next Big Thang at 3rd!
:=8)
I hate Jason Marquis!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Aug 19, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
El Birdos
On ebay, there’s an interesting pennant dating back to 1967. Only, it’s not for “El Birdos.” It reads “Ole! Ole! El Cardos.”
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 19, 2009 3:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Looks like a laptop.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Aug 19, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Viva El Cardos!!!
Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.
by liam on Aug 19, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that bird a cross between a Cardinal and a penguin?
"Ludwick, I could kiss you on the nuts!" - the red baron 7-29-09
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Aug 19, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its a Cardiguin
Distant relative of the pegacorn
"I'll be glad to have Ryan [Braun] help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy." - Doug Melvin
by all4tookie on Aug 19, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
pegicorn
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
by gdm426 on Aug 19, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, I am not a smart person
"I'll be glad to have Ryan [Braun] help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy." - Doug Melvin
by all4tookie on Aug 20, 2009 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We owe Smoltzie a World Series share
for this game:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/ATL/ATL200610010.shtml
Tony took the risk of throwing Reyes out there against the Brewers with basically no notice (when he came to the ballpark that morning – and we lost). He knew that Smoltz was starting against the Astros and the chances of us losing and the Astros beating Smoltz were pretty low. I can’t find any links, but I live in Atlanta and I know that he made comments at the time to the effect that he didn’t really need to pitch the last game of the season, other than the game was part of a pennant race and it was the right thing to do. Of course that allowed Carp to start game 1 against San Diego where everything came together for that WS run. If Carp had pitched Sunday (or the makeup game against SF or a tiebreaker against Houston) things might have been very different……
That shows some seriously strong “makeup” and If he has anything left in the tank I am psyched he’ll wear the birds on the bat. Here’s to him being part of an exciting postseason playing for the Cardinals this time, instead of as our “best supporting actor!”
by wildman on Aug 19, 2009 4:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i remember them...
playing the chop and busch!
by Evilfrog on Aug 19, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was crazy.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Aug 19, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's kind of reassuring
to remember that Smoltz won 16 games only 3 years ago….I know, I know, W-L records mean nothing, but still….
by nota bene on Aug 19, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Three years removed is a long
time when you’re that age, though.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Aug 19, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fair point
I guess all I meant was that it’s not like he’s been replacement-level or worse for five years now….
by nota bene on Aug 19, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
has anyone in baseball been below replacement level for five straight years?
that would actually be a pretty impressive feat. Akin to losing 20 games.
by brackenthebox on Aug 19, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, especially since he's also three surgeries removed
(or however many it’s been; dude’s been under the knife a lot)
by BTown Birds fan on Aug 19, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course I remember that Sunday
The Braves were the early start and jumped out to the lead, but I never remembered that Smoltz was the winner. He figures into Cardinal lore already.
by olddomination on Aug 19, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Once a Cardinal, always a Cardinal.
Does that work in reverse?
"I'll be glad to have Ryan [Braun] help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy." - Doug Melvin
by all4tookie on Aug 19, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Found the comment about his decision to pitch the last game of the year against the 'stros
Pretty cool that he stepped up and did it.
by wildman on Aug 19, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Money quote..smell another new sig for someone today:
For everything that’s at stake, I’d pitch if the game absolutely means something to them
-John Smoltz
"I'll be glad to have Ryan [Braun] help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy." - Doug Melvin
by all4tookie on Aug 19, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
rome is burning with The Rose
I forgot how much I loathe Rome.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2009 4:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
er, it's on now
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
here we go
He’s pumped up to be there. The team says hello to Jim. He’s pumped up to be with the Cards. “A lot of appreciation for the way Tony runs his troops.”
He didn’t know how he’d be received… “Chris Carpenter was screaming at me from the mound” during interleague in Cleveland AHAHAHA. Respect factor. Notes Jim Edmonds coming to the Cubs.
Chatting with Kerry Wood; disappointed about Cleveland. Jim’s leading him on to say something about dismantling Cleveland. “Shot of energy. Walking into a clubhouse where 25 guys care nothing about stats, and all they care about is winning a ballgame.”
Fired up about Smoltzy. Lovefest. “I just wanna see him pitch in the postseason again.” Jim leads him again. DeRo hedges that “Tony and Mo” have that worked out.
“Unbelievable” playing for Tony. Profundities move The Rose. “Judge me for how I treat you as my player.” Now comparing Bobby Cox and LaRussa. “Very similar, they let the veterans police the clubhouse.”
“When [TLR] speaks about the game, it really makes sense.”
Jim is now playing the intellectualism card. DeRo says it’s all about the sudoku and the crosswords. He has seen other guys doing this on the treadmills.
No one is better than Albert, DeRo confirms. “He’s every great player I’ve ever been around all wrapped into one and better.” Though he says Albert doesn’t realize that what he can do, other people can’t do. The game is so easssssy to him.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
visions of pujols or franklin telling boog to stop dropping his sunflower seeds on the floor.
“Very similar, they let the veterans police the clubhouse."
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Aug 19, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Get off me Franklin. I'm not gonna grow that crap
on my chin just so it can catch 30 pounds of sunflower seeds."
by sdrone on Aug 19, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
funny you say that, because he's got a little patch starting up now...
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. There's "getting laid"
and “OMG PEOPLE RUN!!!”
by sdrone on Aug 19, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's an annoying one
We get it. You have takes. You’re bombastic. To quote Frank Caliendo, you attack four-syllable words fe-rociously.
What does Jim Everett look like towering over you?
VivaElBirdos: Celebrating glorious mustaches since 2009
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 19, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hee hee...
:=8)
I hate Jason Marquis!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Aug 20, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Thursday is what is being reported
Don’t remember where i read that but I’m pretty positive
"I'll be glad to have Ryan [Braun] help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy." - Doug Melvin
by all4tookie on Aug 19, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
strauss: Smoltz will join the Cardinals in San Diego tomorrow, possibly after a round at La Costa.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Aug 19, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you sir
"I'll be glad to have Ryan [Braun] help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy." - Doug Melvin
by all4tookie on Aug 19, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if he listens to Lady Gaga or T-Pain
but I do know that he really digs his iPhone. He loves to Twitter.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 19, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What happened to Morris Day?
I'm dumb, she's a lesbian. I thought I had found the one.
We were good as married in my mind, but married in my mind's no good.
Pink triangle on her sleeve let me know the truth.
by thepainguy on Aug 19, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh wee oh wee oh
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Aug 19, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT: Boog videos
The bad news… They cut out the DeNiro impression from this clip. Instead, here’s Brendan describing his nasty ankle bruise.
The good news… They did not cut out the DeNiro impression from this one. After the win over L.A. at Busch.
All headed for the fanpost, just knew some people wanted to see it.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2009 5:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Do you know if Boog vs. Batting Stance Guy is anywhere online?
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Aug 19, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's what I was looking for
I even ventured into BS Guy’s site. I haven’t stopped looking, but it’s been slim pickin’s so far.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
interesting
From AP (the non-Albert)
“He had very little [sic] demands,” Mozeliak said on a conference call. “He had no demands. From everything he had heard about this club, he was excited to take this opportunity. The reason for the start was just to get him work and know what we have.”
So basically, whatever role he takes is because LaDunc asked him.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2009 5:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I like the sound of that
He’s always seemed like a really proud and stubborn (in a good way) kind of guy. He takes a ton of pride in being a good starting pitcher and as such wants to do that. He could yell and scream and pout until he got his way, but from that quote it sounds like that wasn’t the case at all. Good to hear.
I think he winds up in the ‘pen eventually. That’s probably the best place right now for him IMO.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 19, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and, more importantly
he DRAMATICALLY lowers our cumulative team golf handicap. That’s gotta be worth $100k on its own.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 20, 2009 4:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a really nice pitching matchup tonight.
Shut up, Fritz™.
by Alxfritz on Aug 19, 2009 6:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I just hope the game doesn't last as long as Kershaw's last start against us
I think the Cards handle Kershaw tonight though (and by handle, I think they score more than 4 runs).
"Ludwick, I could kiss you on the nuts!" - the red baron 7-29-09
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Aug 19, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Draft question...
What happened to the pitcher the Cards drafted last year who still has time left on his military commitment? Does he remain under Cardinals control? What was his name?
My first memory of Cardinals baseball is seeing Darrell Porter jump into Bruce Sutter's arms on October 20, 1982!
by 82Special on Aug 19, 2009 6:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mitch Harris
The guy who really needs to come back to earth is Julio Lugo. He flat-out sucks, or at least he did until he sold his soul at the foot of the Gateway Arch. by Not Bruce Froemming BCB
by RiverRat on Aug 19, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also....
He was signed Should be in the system after his 6(?) year commitment.
The guy who really needs to come back to earth is Julio Lugo. He flat-out sucks, or at least he did until he sold his soul at the foot of the Gateway Arch. by Not Bruce Froemming BCB
by RiverRat on Aug 19, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since the Cardinals now let us take food into the ballpark
I think when I go to the Saturday game against the Nats I am going to take a couple Piez. Does anyone know Matt’s favorite kind of pie?
"Ludwick, I could kiss you on the nuts!" - the red baron 7-29-09
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Aug 19, 2009 6:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Do you think they'd for serious let you
give the players pies? Because that’d be awesome.
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
by il rosso on Aug 19, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this seems like a bad idea straight to the clubhouse.
Pie fights.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, before the game,
walk down to the row above the dugouts and hail someone over and hand them some pies for Holliday and DeRosa. The gesture’d make an impression, for sure.
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
by il rosso on Aug 19, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mission #7-15
…part of the larger Operation Midwest Nice Engage.
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by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 19, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe Fritz hasn't done this yet
"Ludwick, I could kiss you on the nuts!" - the red baron 7-29-09
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Aug 19, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but... can we trust Patrick?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we really shouldn't leave Lugo out
Maybe some muffins. I mean, Albert seems to like him.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2009 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You give them too him
that guy is FRIGHTENING!
The guy who really needs to come back to earth is Julio Lugo. He flat-out sucks, or at least he did until he sold his soul at the foot of the Gateway Arch. by Not Bruce Froemming BCB
by RiverRat on Aug 19, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lugo is already here for next year
There are only so many pies I can carry in, unless some of you fine , upstanding VEB’ers want to help me out.
"Ludwick, I could kiss you on the nuts!" - the red baron 7-29-09
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Aug 19, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you know, we should really do packaged pies
Because homemade probably wouldn’t pass the TSA test. They might think we’re Cubs fans incognito.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Poor Boog!
"Ludwick, I could kiss you on the nuts!" - the red baron 7-29-09
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Aug 19, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pie Drive '09 ...Ensue!
Part of the greater OMN
"Ludwick, I could kiss you on the nuts!" - the red baron 7-29-09
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Aug 19, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
damnit, I lost my E!
"Ludwick, I could kiss you on the nuts!" - the red baron 7-29-09
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Aug 19, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Old Man Niceness?
veterans have it in spades.
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by Felonius_Monk on Aug 20, 2009 4:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lineup tonight per Leach
No angst here:
Lineup vs LHP Clayton Kershaw:
1. Ryan SS
2. Lugo 2B
3. Pujols 1B
4. Holliday LF
5. Ludwick RF
6. DeRosa 3B
7. Molina C
8. Rasmus CF
9. Wainwright P
Boggs is going down for #30, and Smoltz is starting at least two.
The guy who really needs to come back to earth is Julio Lugo. He flat-out sucks, or at least he did until he sold his soul at the foot of the Gateway Arch. by Not Bruce Froemming BCB
by RiverRat on Aug 19, 2009 8:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I like it.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Aug 19, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well done! truly you are a HOF manager!
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Aug 19, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Waiting for Rasmus to be scratched again.
Sponsored by Slick-Rick 'Stache Cream
by The_teague on Aug 19, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This just in
Rasmus sent down to AAA to make room for Nick Stavinoha, who is starting in CF and batting 5th tonight.
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Aug 19, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cruel
Just not right man.
The guy who really needs to come back to earth is Julio Lugo. He flat-out sucks, or at least he did until he sold his soul at the foot of the Gateway Arch. by Not Bruce Froemming BCB
by RiverRat on Aug 19, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't shoot the messenger!
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Aug 19, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
U should do that for the overflows
Sponsored by Slick-Rick 'Stache Cream
by The_teague on Aug 19, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he better wear a cup if he does
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
by gdm426 on Aug 19, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ain't I a stinker?
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Aug 19, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT: Halladay
WWL commentators claiming that JP insisted on packaging Wells and his contract into the deal. That’s why no one bit.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2009 8:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think I read somewhere (probably fangrpahs)
that a Halladay/Wells package with no salary relief is basically worth nothing, due to Wells contract. i.e. they should take any throw-in prospect, just to get rid of Wells, and lose Roy too…
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 20, 2009 4:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is this the last year on Glaus' contract?
by EinFesteBusch on Aug 19, 2009 8:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Aug 19, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the future,
this is a GREAT website. Just go ahead and bookmark it.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Aug 19, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Aug 19, 2009 8:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thank you
I started that to get back at Will for the Magic Number fiasco
"Ludwick, I could kiss you on the nuts!" - the red baron 7-29-09
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Aug 19, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Garcia off to a rough start in Memphis.
"I remember once talking to one guy on the Cardinals and asking him what Pujols was like as a teammate. He said something that’s really special, if you think about it. He said: "Albert is so good that you feel like you let him down when you screw up." I thought that had to be the ultimate line that could ever be said about a ballplayer. I build my baseball team around that ballplayer."
by Smokin Turkeys on Aug 19, 2009 8:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
August 19th is a big date in John Smoltz' career
On this date in 2004 Smoltz set the Braves record for saves.
On this date in 2007 Smoltz set the Braves record for strikeouts.
On this date in 2009 Smoltz joined the soon-to-be World Series Champion Cardinals
/knock on wood
"You just keep pounding balls into the gap. The one thing you don’t want to do is hit a home run. That’s a rally-killer." - Jeff Francouer
by jd is legend on Aug 19, 2009 8:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
game thread is up
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 19, 2009 9:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
as i read this, it's pouring down rain, thunderstorm & tornado warnings are everywhere
and i’m hungry. so very hungry.
i also grew up less than 30 min from Piedmont, Missouri. i’ve spent many days of my life there. i’ve never heard anyone outside of that area speak it’s name. so it’s kind of weird to hear it. my grandpa’s farms had their own ponds, so we didn’t go to lakes often, but when we did we went to lake wappapello. it was easier to get to & closer to the big citay of poplar bluff. that’s where all the action was. i tell you what, you ain’t lived till you spent your friday & saturday nights in the bluff’s wal-mart.
great stuff red. i too am very happy with the draft. the future looks bright. i hope the Cards have stock in Oakley.
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
by gdm426 on Aug 19, 2009 9:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
someone makes this guy a sammich
"Ludwick, I could kiss you on the nuts!" - the red baron 7-29-09
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Aug 19, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The old man is rambling again.
Shut up, Fritz™.
by Alxfritz on Aug 19, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
where are my shoes?
someone get those darn kids off my lawn!
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by gdm426 on Aug 19, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s like the time I caught the ferry over to Shelbyville. I needed a new heel for my shoe, so, I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on ‘em. Give me five bees for a quarter, you’d say. Now where were we? Oh yeah: the important thing was I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didn’t have white onions because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones…
Shut up, Fritz™.
by Alxfritz on Aug 19, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nice one, Red
from what I hear of Stidham, I’m very high on him. I think he could end up leapfrogging Ryan Jackson and Kozma in the MIF prospect stakes within a year or so.
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by Felonius_Monk on Aug 20, 2009 4:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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