Talent in, talent out
by DanUpBaby on Aug 18, 2009 6:00 AM EDT
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Shelby Miller! I have it on good faith that he throws 120 miles per hour... to contact. That he has a 2:1 groundballs-batters faced ratio. That he is, depending on how ready you were to jump on the Anthony Reyes, Future Ace bandwagon following his crazy 8 K:BB stint in AA, the best-regarded pitching prospect in the system since Rick Ankiel, despite having yet to play a baseball game for money.
Last time the Cardinals became associated with trading prospects for veterans it wasn't—in most cases—the prospects themselves that killed them; it was that the those great 2000-2005 squads kicked off the dynasy by drafting future superstars like Shaun Boyd, Chance Caple, Justin Pope, and nobody in back-to-back-to-back-to-back first rounds. (That 2002 draft, in which the Cardinals gave up draft picks for signing Izzy and Tino Martinez, is particularly devastating; their first two picks retired in the Midwest League, momentary prospects like Travis Hanson lost their way before their first cup of coffee, and only Kyle McClellan and Brad Thompson have spent any time in the majors.)
So while trading the top prospect for retail-priced help is a bad habit to get into, it was exacerbated in the Jimmy Journell era by poor drafting. But this year the Cardinals have shown a desire to bring talent in and they ship it out.
TALENT OUT
1. Colby Rasmus. It's always good news when the biggest blow to your prospect list establishes himself, immediately, as a useful Major League baseball player. (On your team, that is.) Certainly his long-term profile—maybe even his short term profile—is much different from the fringe-average centerfield bat he's shown to this point, but his defense has been all-world enough, in its almost blandly graceful way, to make him a championship-quality player in year one.
But the loss of Rasmus left the Faberge Squad, as 2009 began, without the guy who'd single-handedly filled the Future Star quadrant since 2005. Even #2 on this list wasn't quite there—he was a guy, in Baseball America parlance, who would Hit No Matter What. With Rasmus, there was rarely any need for qualification.
2. Brett Wallace. Are you like me? Are you still following Brett Wallace's nightly exploits as though they were still over-the-fold Future Redbirds material? (It helps that, for the last few days, they have been—his .467 stint against Memphis has to have allayed some Athletics concerns about his lack of high-minors power.)
Just about to turn 23 and already in AAA, Wallace wasn't a Rasmus-style perennial on prospect lists, but his was the rare high-OBP fat-guy bat that received universal scout plaudits; it was so impressive a tool that his serious problems weren't enough to mar his premium-prospect tag. Losing Rasmus at the same time is part of what made the Holliday deal so tough to stomach; in his large-hipped vacuum the Cardinals were left with a toolsy outfielder with uncertain power projection and an international signing who's four months younger than Miley Cyrus.
The Cardinals traded a few Wallace types in their JockettyBall era. Daric Barton, the first Official Prospect Crush of Get Up, Baby! after his age-18 Ted Williams impression in the Midwest League, was further from the minors than Wallace, and not so loved by scouts, but he had just hit .313/.445/.513 with 69 walks against 44 strikeouts in a league full of college pitchers and known to suppress offense. He was also playing catcher.
Barton, selected the year after that disastrous 2002 draft, is kind of a Brett Wallace cautionary tale. While he was lighting up my pre-FR life, the Cardinals were racking up their equally disastrous 2004 draft, focused intentionally on affordability and implicitly on players with less upside than Daric Barton, or Brian Barden. Barton was the impact player, like Wallace, but he was also in a system that proved even thinner than this one.
3. Clay Mortensen. In my day, why, we called this guy Chris Narveson, and we were happy to have him, you know? None of this interchangeable back-of-the-rotation starter talk around our hot stove, and you know why? Because talking uses up the oxygen we'd saved up for that little fire.
4. Every right-handed reliever the Cardinals had. The organizational guys—Luke Gregerson, Mark Worrell, Luis Perdomo—were acceptable losses. If they're major prospects your system has greater and more pressing needs; although they'd certainly be useful now, it wasn't a matter of Mortgaging Our Future so much as reorganizing the team's value (a little more than was, in hindsight, advisable) in the present.
Jess Todd (and recent Talent Out graduate Chris Perez) are better bets in the future, and a little more difficult to let go; the Cardinals gave up real value in the future for the chance to replace Joe Thurston in the present. Jason Motte also made his last leap off prospect lists in 2009, and it's not been nearly as pleasant as Rasmus's. In all the Cardinals lost the makings of a great, cheap bullpen this year—some of it was traded, some of it just evaporated. That's not the most glamorous part of a prospect list, but it's tough to lose it.
5. Tyler Herron. What was the deal with that? He's in the Pirates system now, in case you hadn't heard, doing basically the same thing he was doing in Springfield, although apparently less uncoachably. Herron was part of the first salvo of attempted pitching depth, which didn't quite go as anticipated—from that run of supplemental picks and early rounders immediately following Rasmus and Tyler Greene, Mark McCormick has disappeared off the face of the earth; Herron is in Altoona; high schooler Josh Wilson has retired in each of the last two seasons; and closer-turned-hittable-starter-turned-hittable-closer Nick Webber is out of the system.
They did better later on, thankfully, or else the Herron move would make even less sense than it does as is.
TALENT IN
1. Shelby Miller and Wagner Mateo! We haven't seen stat one on these guys yet, and I don't know anything I wouldn't be regurgitating third-hand, so I've lumped them together—but this is exactly what the Cardinals didn't have to fall back on after trading Barton or Adam Kennedy or H...H... I had another name, I thought, but Google isn't any help at all.
When the Cardinals traded for Mark Mulder they were basically without a farm system, top and bottom, and there was no real reason to believe that worried them. There was no lasting commitment to young players; they just happened to have a few of them, and then they didn't. This year the rights to two players, one of whom won't be a Major League factor for at least five years, were already in hand by the time the Cardinals' top prospect was gone. Beneath them there's depth, the pretty good-but (no fastball / fringe glove / no pop / Tommy John) guys that would have topped a prospect list in the three terrifying months between the start of the 2005 season and Colby Rasmus.
It's a great time to be a Cardinals fan, but even if your first stop after a hard day's work is the GCL box scores (Joe Mather and Mike Parisi played tonight!) the minor leagues are no longer bereft of stories. With the second round pick the Cardinals could have taken another college pitcher; instead they selected ex-superprospect Robert Stock, who could have just ended up another college pitcher anyway but is now putting up a .951 OPS as a defensively adept catcher.
It's not just the players who've flooded the system; it's an increased confidence that the people in charge of the system both know what they're doing and are interested in doing it. They might trade some prospects, but that's not the only reason they'd like to have some.
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FIST!
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 18, 2009 6:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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Gregatron is not responsible for any of the crap he just wrote.
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by Gregatron on Aug 18, 2009 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I prefer
defy, cards, defy. hey logic --- you suck.
by effin fisk on Aug 18, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It Looks Like...
….he’s holding a lobster…
:=8/
I hate Jason Marquis!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Aug 18, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Save the lobsters! Eat more steak!
Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!
by jd is legend on Aug 18, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whilst I wouldn't necessarily add them to the "talent in/out" lists
there’s also been major shifts in the balance of talent/projection already within the system. Several previously top-10 prospects in our system have fallen off the map this year, and we’ve got a couple of new faberge eggs to coo over.
The big climbers seem to be:
Tyler Henley, who suddenly looks to have overtaken everyone but Darryl Jones (and is even closing on him) in the “left-handed outfield depth with a useful glove and a serviceable major league bat” stakes. He’s gone from a fringey 4th-OF-type prospect in 2008 to a genuine potential major-league-right-field prospect in 2009, putting up .337/.504/.881 in AA with plus speed and (apparently) an above-average corner OF glove, although he turns 24 shortly.
Daniel Descalso, just 22, who was barely mentioned on anyone’s lists last year, but who hit .396/.531/.928 in 324 PAs whilst dominating AA as a MIDDLE-INFIELDER (and apparently a defensively-average 2Bman at that). He’s cooled off a little in AAA, but his BABIP is well down, BB/K ratio sits at the same level, and he’s only had 141 PAs so far. Seems to have totally eclipsed the in-over-his-head Pete Kozma who was rushed to AA only to struggle horribly with both bat and glove this year.
Eduardo Sanchez, who seems to be the best relief prospect we’ve had since Chris Perez, although I realise RP prospects materialise and disappear at a frequent and worryingly random rate. Striking out over a batter per inning split between A+ and AA, with a FIP in the low 3’s, much more control than the older, wilder Francisco Samuel and a skillset that will seemingly play legitimately in the majors, Sanchez looks like a potential major league closer/set-up guy in a couple of years. I like the fact that he’s got the stuff (unlike Salas) but ALSO seems to have an idea where the ball is going (unlike Samuel/Reifer), but most of all, the fact that he’s just 20.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 18, 2009 6:45 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm pretty high on Descalso
and lboros commented a few weeks ago that the organization might be as well, which is why parting with Wallace was palatable for them. Descalso played 3B in college, and could easily transition back to the hot corner if his bat continues to show doubles power and good OBP — he’d be a better than league average defender there, so if his bat is even close to average he’s probably a 2 win player.
Sanchez seems like a good prospect to start closing in Memphis next year, unless he makes the big club out of the spring like McClellan did a couple of years ago — he’s got solid stuff and throws a lot of strikes, but so did Jason Motte in the minors, where nobody can seemingly hit a 98 mph fastball down the middle. I’m hoping to see Joe Kelly and Scott Bittle fill out our relief pitching depth in the minors because, as we’ve seen this year, you really can’t have enough relief pitchers in your minor league system.
Color me not impressed with Henley yet; this is the first year he’s done anything of note, and he’s a 24 year old at AA, so he should be putting up sick numbers — probably not THAT sick, but until he’s able to hit like that at AAA I’ll hold my breath. If he’s that good, he should be in AAA proving he can do it against big league 4th and 5th starters.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Aug 18, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sanchez has a second pitch, though, doesn't he?
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 18, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Henley and Descalso seem to have very similar track records to me with the exception being that Henley is about a 18 months older. Neither has performed at a high offensive level prior to this season, they’re both above average defenders at their positions and they both had monster seasons in AA. I’m not sure why you’d be “pretty high” on Descalso and “not impressed” with Henley unless I’m misinterpreting semantics.
Descalso — Age 22 (will be 23 in Oct.)
AA – .928 OPS
AAA – .640 OPS
Henley – Age 24 (as of June)
AA – .881 OPS
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
by azruavatar on Aug 18, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my gut is that descalso's slow response at AAA means he'll get ST invite, but likely spend
most/all of 2010 at memphis.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Aug 18, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
which is fine...
I’m actually fine, dare I say excited, about a Schu/Lugo platoon next year. Descalso’s not needed until 2010 anyway.
Henley seems like a useful 4th/5th outfielder. His competition with Jay for that spot will be interesting.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 18, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
However
Henley = RF, Descalso = 2B. If Henley can OPS .750 in the majors whilst playing RF, he’s, at best, a 4th OF. If Descalso can do the same whilst showing an average glove at 2B, he’s probably verging on a 3-win player.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 18, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The difference between RF and 2B is 1 win
So Henley would be a league average player under your example.
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
by azruavatar on Aug 18, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Position is a big factor here
and 18 months is quite a bit of an age difference. Also, Descalso was a much more impressive player in college than Henley was. Descalso slugged above .500 twice in three years while Henley didn’t do it once in four years. Descalso also has doubles power to all fields, whereas Henley looks to be a pull hitter who doesn’t go the other way very well, just based on scouting reports.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Aug 18, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think your numbers may be off
pretty sure henley isn’t slugging .881 and i don’t think descalso batted at a .396 clip in springfield…i could be wrong though
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Aug 18, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's just OBP/SLG/OPS instead of the more traditional AVG/OBP/SLG
I think Felonius just doesn’t have much use for batting average anymore. Too much time in maternally-owned underground dwelling places.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Aug 18, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep...you are right
it all makes sense now
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Aug 18, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They don't push food through the hole in the trapdoor if I use BA :-(.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 19, 2009 5:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As it should be
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Aug 19, 2009 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Descalso has been very, very impressive
Maybe he or Skippy (if he can continue to unembarrasingly fake 2nd) can finally stabilize the 2nd base situation. I think the BoB have had a different guy lead the position in AB’s there since Vina’s last season.
- 2003-Vina, but Bo Hart got the majority of the at-bats that season
- 2004-Womack
- 2005-Grudzielanek
- 2006-Miles
- 2007-Kennedy
- 2008-Kennedy again, only repeat in 7 seasons
- 2009-Skippy
If that’s not a revolving door, I don’t know what is.
"I know how the numbers work. I know how OBP works. I know all the numbers that will never be printed in the newspaper. They're slowly working their way on to major league scoreboards. But, how the game really works, it's not what you see out there, and it’s not about short term emotions in games. It's numbers behind numbers… it's how the game works."--Brian Bannister
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 18, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how can you tell if they're faking?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2010 currently looks like a Skippy/Lugo platoon
Which I’m okay with.
by mojowo11 on Aug 18, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
esp. since Lugo is FREE
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by gocards62 on Aug 18, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I may have to start yelling "bland grace!!!" when Colby makes a play.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 7:57 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
He has to learn how to sell it out there
by olddomination on Aug 18, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no kidding
We need to keep Ank long enough to do that.
Or hey… Jimmy’s not doing anything, right?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, great idea.
Maybe we can get Jimmy to come in and do some outfield theatrics coaching.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
by Eckstreem on Aug 18, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
text him!
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
OMS
comes with old man grace, also known as: OMG!!!!!!
R.P.O.F.Y.M.
by BVHeck on Aug 18, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ahahaha!
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OMG JIMMY!!!11
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Aug 18, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone suprised that Miller
Signed for $2.875M? As these things go, it looks like the Cardinals got a pretty good bargain.
by JWO on Aug 18, 2009 8:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not really.
Strasburg’s contract just makes anything else look pathetic in comparison.
On with the (good) youth movement!
by aet15 on Aug 18, 2009 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was quite pleasantly surprised
I’d heard numbers being bandied about around 3.75M
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
by azruavatar on Aug 18, 2009 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was too...
Most reports were suggested that Miller’s camp was looking for $4 million-ish. I like it.
by goodymobb on Aug 18, 2009 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A little, actually
When I heard the vague term over-slot flying around I was picturing $4-4.5M. $2.875M is a decent number for the squad. If he pitches well at the ML level the team will definitely get a good bargain out of the deal.
"I know how the numbers work. I know how OBP works. I know all the numbers that will never be printed in the newspaper. They're slowly working their way on to major league scoreboards. But, how the game really works, it's not what you see out there, and it’s not about short term emotions in games. It's numbers behind numbers… it's how the game works."--Brian Bannister
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 18, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it seemed pretty reasonable to me
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 18, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
y'know, i have this horrible nightmare ...
wherein we get Smoltz, he grudgingly goes to the bullpen, and Franklin starts “looking over his shoulder”, has a total meltdown, and starts to really suck.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 8:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I have a wonderful dream
that Smoltz comes aboard and takes Motte, McClellen, and Hawksworth under his wing and the bullpen becomes lights out!
by nybirdfan on Aug 18, 2009 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boy that dream is chock full of balloons and cotton candy.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 18, 2009 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And rainbows and edible clouds that taste like marshmallow
Pretty much FML any time -Todd Wellemeyer touches a baseball.- Joe Thurston runs the bases.
by Cardinals645 on Aug 18, 2009 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But I like it.
Pretty much FML any time -Todd Wellemeyer touches a baseball.- Joe Thurston runs the bases.
by Cardinals645 on Aug 18, 2009 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
pegacorns
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I WILL TAKE
what they are having!
Pujols takes out "I" in BIG and "A" in MAC, previously considered to be an unyielding, consonant threat
by DESTROYER on Aug 18, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I say we pick him up
he will Mentor Tony’s herd of pitchers with Senior Duncan
I stood where no man goes...
by Desert_Rat on Aug 18, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any right handed reliever
that can make Ryan Franklin look over his shoulder is probably a guy that we want in the bullpen. Franklin is 37 years old for fuck’s sake — he should be able to deal with that considering all the other adversity he’s faced in his career up to this point.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Aug 18, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm only saying that
Because he said it about Izzy.
Frankie seems to put a lot of truck in seniority and roles. He’s on the line of suck as it is… better to yank his beard than yank his mindset.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was before
he became 2009 Ryan Franklin though. I realize that he still sucks, but he’s sucking at an All-Star level this year and seems to have all the confidence needed to keep closing games effectively.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Aug 18, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
did you notice how bad he sucked last night?
It only took him 3 pitches to end the game. Izzy was WAY better. He would have added the drama necessary to make the closing job look a lot better.
I mean, seriously. Why close a game in 3 pitches when you can do it in 20?
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
by Eckstreem on Aug 18, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no shit
I didn’t even get my Franklin opened last night and the damn game was over. I really need to get my Franklin’s in the upstairs fridge instead of the beer fridge in the basement if these outings keep getting shorter….
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Aug 18, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is a very small amount of pitches. Seems kinda lazy to me.
Is Franklin just really sucking to cont®act?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Aug 18, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i see what you did there
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or at least, what I tried to do
I forgot that using parentheses would result in the auto-format® thingie.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Aug 18, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it was neat, though
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It does have kind of a neat look.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Aug 18, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe the guy had a hot date,
That is waaaaaaaay more important than stupid ballgame.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 18, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you seen his goatee?
He did not have a hot date.
by mojowo11 on Aug 18, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, there's someone for everyone!
"I know how the numbers work. I know how OBP works. I know all the numbers that will never be printed in the newspaper. They're slowly working their way on to major league scoreboards. But, how the game really works, it's not what you see out there, and it’s not about short term emotions in games. It's numbers behind numbers… it's how the game works."--Brian Bannister
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 18, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He got lucky last night
SIGN JOHN SMOLTZ
by vivaelpujols on Aug 18, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he gets lucky every night
and smotlz is freaking 42 yrs old. if i was franky, a dude 5yrs older than i wouldn’t make me look over my shoulder. no matter how much i sucked.
6ly, the dude is 42. 42!
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
by gdm426 on Aug 18, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jamie Moyer was still effective in his early 40s
no-one is telling me that John Smoltz is not about 20x better than Jamie Moyer…
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 19, 2009 5:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
heh. I was browsing through old draft deals... and lo, wiki sayeth:
“In 2001, Prior re-entered the draft, and was considered by some to be the top prospect, but the Minnesota Twins, who had the top pick, were warned that Prior didn’t want to play for them. Fearing a tough signability problem, the Twins opted to take local talent catcher Joe Mauer, leaving Prior to be taken 2nd overall by the Chicago Cubs.”
[Mark Prior] was released from his contract on August 1, 2009.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 8:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good Thing They Didn't make Him Their...Prior-ity...
;=8)
I hate Jason Marquis!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Aug 18, 2009 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Normally
I don’t laugh at a pun of that magnitude, but because it included The Tender Cha-Cha, I will give it one “hehe”.
Don't argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. - anon.
by Solanus on Aug 18, 2009 9:04 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Lets not forget
Because the small bears took Prior, they didn’t get someone like Mauer. You know, the guy who is batting .380, and has a gold glove at the tender age of 26.
by JWO on Aug 18, 2009 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mauer was off the board when the Cubs took Prior
"I'll be glad to have Ryan [Braun] help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy." - Doug Melvin
by all4tookie on Aug 18, 2009 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's saying if the Twins took
Prior, who was considered the top prospect, the Cubs would have taken Mauer.
Albert Pujols is ridiculous.
by stlhulsey on Aug 18, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
still a cause and effect fail
Because the small bears took Prior, they didn’t get someone like Mauer
"I'll be glad to have Ryan [Braun] help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy." - Doug Melvin
by all4tookie on Aug 18, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs did not miss out on Mauer BECAUSE they took Prior
Rather, the Cubs missed out on Mauer BECAUSE the Twins grabbed him first. They might have taken Mauer INSTEAD OF Prior given the opportunity, but they never had that opportunity. Technically all4tookie is correct. It’s still an interesting chain of events though.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Aug 18, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cubs are to dumb to take Mauer
Regardless
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 18, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
I had to reread the entire chain a couple times to make sure I wasn’t crazy. Articulating must not be my strong suit today.
"I'll be glad to have Ryan [Braun] help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy." - Doug Melvin
by all4tookie on Aug 18, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was confused too at first.
Needless to say, the GOB probably would not have let the Cubs have a golden baseball demi-god such as Joe Mauer, and they probably influenced the Cubs to accept Prior as a tragic “second best” option, thus adding additional layers of pathos to their saga. For a primer on the Cubbies’ relationship to the GOB, I recommend “The Bacchae” by Aristophanes.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Aug 18, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
[takes notes]
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
rec'd
for The Bacchae. Too funny, even ironically proportional to the belligerent drunken beer throwing at Wrigley.
by Oedipa Maas on Aug 18, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why thank you
I figured a tale of drunken hubris that gets massive comeuppance from the gods was a good parallel.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Aug 18, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Although ...
It’s really easier to see the Cubs in Aristophanes than Euripides. Wrigley FIeld – Cloud-Cuckoo-Land.
by alberich on Aug 18, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, I can't believe I got that wrong...
Great books FAIL!
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Aug 18, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Evilfrog should say something here.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Aug 18, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
O my tadpole
remind our cubbie friends that it’s not that easy being green with envy.
by alberich on Aug 18, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here, fixed
For a primer on the Cubbies’ relationship to the GOB, I recommend “The Baccae” by Aristophanes Euripides.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Aug 18, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought stlhulsey tried to clarify
that IF the Twins took Prior, who was considered the top prospect [and didn’t have all these signability concerns] Mauer would’ve been sitting there for the Cubbies at 2.
Because the Twins thought Prior wouldn’t want to play for them, that they’d have to pay out the ass, etc., they didn’t take the consensus top prospect and instead, opted for Joe Mauer.
Still not sure how that’s “cause and effect fail.” What the balls am I missing here?
by goodymobb on Aug 18, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aaaah.....I think I've got it now.
JWO and stlhulsey are saying different things. I thought the “cause and effect fail” was for stlhulsey’s clarification.
Just trying to follow on a groggy morning.
by goodymobb on Aug 18, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beat me to it
All is made well again. JWO, thou art hereby sentenced to… oh, who am I kidding, the Cards are doing way too awesome for me to pass judgment on anyone.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Aug 18, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa
This is the last time I post before my morning jolt of caffeine. But we can all agree that its MUCH better the Cubs didn’t get Mauer, right?
by JWO on Aug 18, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely
Besides, the very thought of Mauer playing for the Cubs is enough to scramble my brain a bit in fear, so I could have made the same causality fail easily.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Aug 18, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There we go, disaster averted.
stlhulsey has it right, I was only referencing JWO
"I'll be glad to have Ryan [Braun] help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy." - Doug Melvin
by all4tookie on Aug 18, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good lord that was muddy....
and no advanced metrics even! This might be a long day for this guy!
by goodymobb on Aug 18, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll try again
I think the confusion started when JWO said “because the small bears took Prior, they didn’t get someone like Mauer,” and all4tookie said that was a cause-and-effect fail, which technically it is.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Aug 18, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha
I think we’ve got it.
(ps- totally glad the Cubs didn’t get Mauer)
by goodymobb on Aug 18, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No kidding.
That would be horrible.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Aug 18, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, Mauer is such a likable guy
would really suck to see him go there and start sucking and get in a fight with one of his pitchers in the dugout and be out of the majors within a couple years
"I'll be glad to have Ryan [Braun] help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy." - Doug Melvin
by all4tookie on Aug 18, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually have a Mauer t-shirt jersey
My dad recently took a job in MN, so my younger brother has adopted the Twins as his “other team.” I got to see Joe Mauer (and lots of other Twins) cheered really, really loudly at Wrigley Field back in June. I remember thinking that it was the first time I’ve really ever seen/heard the Cubs fans get totally drowned out at their own park.
From what I can tell, the Twins have a pretty friendly and knowledgeable fanbase.
by goodymobb on Aug 18, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Midwest-Nice?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Aug 18, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, you might receive a pie or two
don’t ’cha know?
by goodymobb on Aug 18, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I need to get back up there
And see their minor league team. Always heard great things about them… generally more popular than the Twins.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always thought that was one word?
Donchaknow
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 18, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah that looks better.
good call.
by goodymobb on Aug 18, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They represented themselved well in St. Louis too.
They were loud, but in a “were here to have fun and cheer our boys” kind of way. Lots of signs too. Good road fans.
I never would slip you Mickey! It is merely rhinoceros horn. This makes the champagna bubble.
by The Continental on Aug 18, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Twins are ok
But lets not forget they stole the 1987 World Series from us. Some of us have long memories of such things…
by JWO on Aug 18, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Forgiveness...
>=8/
I hate Jason Marquis!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Aug 18, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's exactly how I perceived them too.
Not obnoxious, not picking fights, not getting wasted and ignoring the game. Good fans.
Side note: Bert Blyleven is one of their TV guys, so a ton of the fans hold up these really basic signs that simply say “Circle Us, Bert.”
Apparently he just circles folks on TV like it’s his job (which, in a way, I guess it kind of is).
by goodymobb on Aug 18, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always wondered what that meant.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Aug 18, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm sorry. who, again, is on first?
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Aug 18, 2009 11:04 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Naturally!
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Aug 18, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So,,,,
I pick up the ball and throw it to Naturally?
by kyle3776 on Aug 18, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
crap......blew this thread...... sorry.
by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Aug 18, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Different part of the same show.
That was when they were talking about Enos Slaughter.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 18, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, you throw it to Who!
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Aug 18, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except that JWO's comment was
“someone like Mauer”…
There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Aug 18, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Prior was an ass clown and pretty much deserved a shitty career.
FAIL
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Aug 18, 2009 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
...yeah?
and…?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Shitty career" and permamently hosed arm/shoulder
are 2 different things.
by sdrone on Aug 18, 2009 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not really, then again I tend not to try to establish interwebs
intellectual superiority arguing semantics.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Aug 18, 2009 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
really?
That seems like a good route to take.
SIGN JOHN SMOLTZ
by vivaelpujols on Aug 18, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I'm not going to say he deserved to have a permanently bum shoulder
But I do get some satisfaction out of seeing him out of baseball. Remember in the 2003 playoff race when a reporter asked him if he was pulling for the Cardinals because their wins against Houston would actually help the Cubs chances of making the playoffs? Yeah, I do:
“I dislike the Cardinals so much that I will not even root for them. I hope actually that Houston beats their brains in and just sends them all the way back to whoever is in fourth place now.”
by Ray Lankford on Aug 18, 2009 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ehhh
that at least makes cards/cubs seem like a rivalry instead of a pageant like it does now. I have a lot of trouble hating anybody on that team right now, especially with Z either incompetent or hurt. whenever i think of them i just get a smug sense of superiority that no matter how much money they spend (and perhaps because of it) they’ll still be a pretty mediocre club.
by spencegrif on Aug 18, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Carpenter were to say that in reverse I would explode with happiness
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Aug 18, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nah, Carp would never say that
He’d just do something about it.
That’s why I like Carp.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I'm not saying it makes sense, or that I wouldn't like it if Carp or Wainer said it
But such is the nature of rivalries; I can justify hating Prior for saying it just because
by Ray Lankford on Aug 18, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about
Soriano and Milton Bradley?
born Dodger blue, now dyed Cardinals red
by totalloser on Aug 18, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For those that haven't read 3 Nights
Do so. Go to the Library, it’s there and free, $12 at amazon. Most likely at Borders.
In the mean time great stuff about Prior and Ankiel
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Aug 18, 2009 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you get that I'm ragging on the cubs, right?
just checkin’…
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
....yeah
everything isn’t always about you! No but seriously, that was just a generic reply…I saw you posted about Prior and it got me in the mood to re-read that chapter, figured it would be an abomination for a Cards fan to have not read it.
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Aug 18, 2009 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the "FAIL" kind of threw me, to be honest
non sequitur.
also, it is all about me. except for that one thing.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always find the non sequitur FAIL the funniest.
FAIL
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Aug 18, 2009 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well-played.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I own it
but I never got past Chapter One. Just didn’t seem to be well-written, plus I’m not a huge Tony fan…I don’t hate him, like some, and I still think he makes more good decisions than bad, but I can do without reading all about him.
There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Aug 18, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's this hand thing that Pujols does on home runs now?
I first saw it against the Mets and through he was doing it to the Mets dugout, but last night I couldn’t tell. Anyone know the deal this this? Kinda looks like that “bye bye” thing that Tejada or whomever on the Astros did.
by sdrone on Aug 18, 2009 9:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that's when family and friends come to the ballpark
and sit in the front row.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, I've seen it in person once
Also happens in cities where I’m aware he has family. He’s also chatted with them from the on-deck circle. Coming back to the dugout it’s more of that quick wave to acknowledge them.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never heard that.
It looks sort of like a mocking, shit-talking kind of thing, which is I think what sdrone was getting at.
Interesting info though.
by goodymobb on Aug 18, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we're possibly talking about different things
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Left hand up (I think it's left)
between 3rd and home, maybe near home plate. Like a hand-scrunching wave I’d give my 2 year old.
by sdrone on Aug 18, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Waving to friends.
Shut up, Fritz™.
by Alxfritz on Aug 18, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's how I took it
I'm dumb, she's a lesbian. I thought I had found the one.
We were good as married in my mind, but married in my mind's no good.
Pink triangle on her sleeve let me know the truth.
by thepainguy on Aug 18, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, that's it
I could be wrong, but check the Shaq game, ’cause you know exactly where Dee Dee and Shaq are. It confused me for a bit because he keeps his eyes forward… I think he hears them call out and waves without looking at them.
Personal theory is he wanted to do something that wouldn’t be seen as an affront by the other team.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sigh. It couldn't last forever
Piniella is removing Gregg from the closer role.
by sdrone on Aug 18, 2009 9:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tell me he's installing Marmol
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Aug 18, 2009 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bet Guzman...
He’s been the best of the bunch.
Please take this comment in the spirit it was intended.
by guayzimi on Aug 18, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Watershed Moment
I was floored—floored—last night during the FS Midwest broadcast. Somehow, the conversation drifted to centerfielders and Al Hrabosky stated (and I’m paraphrasing) that Colby had found himself and gotten comfortable at the big-league level. He further stated—and, remember, this is The Mad Hungarian speaking—that this is August and if the best player plays, then Rasmus should play because he is the better centerfielder on the Cardinals roster. I mean, wow. Just, wow.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 18, 2009 9:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
sit down and put your head between your knees
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember hearing that
Then turning up the volume and rewinding to be sure I heard it correctly. Amazing. I believe it was something like, “you have to wonder why, with the way he’s been playing, Colby Rasmus isn’t in the lineup tonight.” Then I think Dan may have pointed out that Tony wanted to keep him away from a knuckler so that his timing wasn’t thrown off. Al dismissed this as “overthinking” the situation.
Really unbelievable.
by Ray Lankford on Aug 18, 2009 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he just heard me scream it
when I saw the lineup at the beginning of the ESPN broadcast and kind if repeated it. heh.
by sdrone on Aug 18, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heard that as well,
though I was less surprised by it. Boog is the one Al really hates- he seems to think Rasmus is the real deal, and he’s been dropping comments like this for a while.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Aug 18, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ankiel must have heard this
and then hit a bomb that landed close to La Jolla. And Al has now probably changed his mind….
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Aug 18, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If a war for Al's affection leads to more Colby and Ankiel awesomeness, I'm all for it.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Aug 18, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah that blew me away too.
I’m not used to Al saying something that intelligent. That it must really be obvious to someone besides geeks like us is a good sign.
Gregatron is not responsible for any of the crap he just wrote.
St. Louis vegetarian blog
by Gregatron on Aug 18, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Al said two months ago
That Rasmus should be the everyday starting CFer.
by Evilfrog on Aug 18, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually think
Dan is more critical of Colby than Al is.
Shut up, Fritz™.
by Alxfritz on Aug 18, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep
Positronic Upgraded Juggernaut Optimized for Logical Sabotage
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 18, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
remain calm!
all is well!
defy, cards, defy. hey logic --- you suck.
by effin fisk on Aug 18, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cocaine's a hell of a drug
"I know how the numbers work. I know how OBP works. I know all the numbers that will never be printed in the newspaper. They're slowly working their way on to major league scoreboards. But, how the game really works, it's not what you see out there, and it’s not about short term emotions in games. It's numbers behind numbers… it's how the game works."--Brian Bannister
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 18, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
less than 15 minutes to $4 tickets
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 9:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
OT: How do I put a pic up that is one my computer?
I think I’ve done everything wrong so far but have figured out the right way yet.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 18, 2009 9:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That should be "on my computer"
fingers haven’t joined me yet.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 18, 2009 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
when posting a pic to a comment
it needs to be a web link…
I use www.imageshack.us to host, but there are several out there.
Albert Pujols is ridiculous.
by stlhulsey on Aug 18, 2009 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
was going to suggest the same site
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
by StLHugo on Aug 18, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a Photobucket account for such needs
It’s free and you can keep your images together easily, provided they aren’t too large.
by mojowo11 on Aug 18, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Has your Photo Bucket
started just showing 4 pics per page in your album. I noticed this about a week ago.
The guy who really needs to come back to earth is Julio Lugo. He flat-out sucks, or at least he did until he sold his soul at the foot of the Gateway Arch. by Not Bruce Froemming BCB
by RiverRat on Aug 18, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks I will look at that too.
Haven’t had time to play with it much yet.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 18, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT: When a draft pick gets a major league contract, how exactly does it work
Strasburg’s deal is for 4 years…after the four years are up, is he arbitration eligible, or is he a FA on the open market? I’m sure he can’t just be renewed right? I mean, I’m guessing his major league service time started last night when he signed the contract….am i right about that?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Aug 18, 2009 10:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i think arb eligible
Could be wrong. I thought it just meant he starts on the 40 man roster. So he doesn’t have to wait years to put on the 40 man roster to wait years to be put on the 25 man roster to wait 3 years to make it till arbitration to wait 3 years of arbitration to be a free agent.
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 18, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://ussmariner.com/2009/08/17/quick-primer-on-major-league-contracts/
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by azruavatar on Aug 18, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks
please see question below
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Aug 18, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Negative
Calling it a “Major League” contract is fairly misleading for the results….it’s essentially a minor league deal with a few extra things.
#1. He’s on the 40-man roster and his option years start ticking next year. But if in 4 years they’re worried about him being in the minors, something obviously went awry enough for this not to matter. And aside from the roster spot, that means he can smoke all the weed he wants without getting tested for it!
#2. They can spread the money however they want. A standard minor league deal you can only have a signing bonus that is payable over 2 years. A Major League deal you can do whatever you want with salary or otherwise. Teams like this because they can backload it.
But no, his MLB service time does not start. He has to be on the 25-man roster to start accruing that and it’s still 3 years MLB service time to arb, 6 to free agency.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Aug 18, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok, so hypothetically
if strasburg gets hurt and is out all of next year, and then struggles the next year…and doesn’t make the majors till 2013, he could get paid millions for his first year and then be renewed at 400,000 for his next year since he is not yet arbitration eligible…is that right?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Aug 18, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He'll be Nationals property...
in 2013. If he is arb eligible, the arb process will determine his salary. If he isn’t, they can assign him a salary.
Please take this comment in the spirit it was intended.
by guayzimi on Aug 18, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He won't be Nationals property in 2013
The Nats will have traded him away to the Yankees before then, for a bucket of balls.
There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Aug 18, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow...that would really suck
i realize there is no way it happens…but it would suck
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
by VolsnCards5 on Aug 18, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's going to happen to a lesser extent...
with Luke Hochevar this winter. He signed a four year major league deal that runs out after this season. He’s been so-so, he isn’t arb eligible, and he’ll be assigned salary this winter.
Please take this comment in the spirit it was intended.
by guayzimi on Aug 18, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this just in
SC still can’t pronounce “Mozeliak”.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 10:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Butchered it terribly
but now we are in “serious” pursuit of Smoltz.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 18, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man I'm just not sold on Smoltz
but I know we need pen help. Sigh.
by sdrone on Aug 18, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's the worst that can happen?
And if his K/BB turns out to be more indicative of his current talent level than his HR rate, it’s pretty much a free, potentially dominant, PlayoffVeteran®
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Aug 18, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think this is an "any port in a storm" moment.
But Smoltz scares me a helluva lot less than Welle and Boggs doesn’t blow me away, although I think he has a role.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 18, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last night in the ninth, TLR put Rasmus in center...
and moved Ankiel to left.
Does this put to rest forever the notion that he thinks Ank is the better defender?
Please take this comment in the spirit it was intended.
by guayzimi on Aug 18, 2009 10:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think that ship sailed a long time ago
But I do think he was concerned with Colby’s weight gain and subsequent weight loss and that he might be getting run down when he was struggling in July, which is why Ank played so much then.
Tony isn’t stupid, even though we may disagree with him from time to time. He knows that Ank is an elite defender in the corner outfield and the Colby is an elite defender in center. I have noticed that we’ve been turning more fly balls into outs since Holliday joined the team as well, and we might have the best defensive outfield in the big leagues when Colby is in CF.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Aug 18, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Elite?
Is he really above average in the corners? I’ll have to figure out how to check stats – I did not know that.
by sdrone on Aug 18, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very small sample sizes for UZR
and he’s been all over the place so far, but I think he’s elite in LF because the only negative UZR value there is when he was playing there hurt last year. He’s probably slightly above average in RF overall.
FWIW, this is totally subjective on my part, but he LOOKS like he gets better jumps in the corners and he works the wall better in the LF and RF than he does in CF.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Aug 18, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does he have more experience there?
Was he a CF in the minors?
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Aug 18, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he played a lot of RF in the minors
He DH’d a ton at Memphis
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Aug 18, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, he's really good in the corners
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 18, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh come now, the possibilities are endless
Ankiel won’t mess up Holliday’s divots out there.
Rasmus is “more comfortable” in center
Ankiel can play anywhere, rookie can’t.
by sdrone on Aug 18, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ankiel has been playing a corner position
Every time him and Rasmus have been in the outfielder at the same time for several months now.
by Evilfrog on Aug 18, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, where did this come from? Viva winning 9 of 10!
Cardinals now have 2nd biggest division lead at 6 games, behind only the Yankees who have a 7 game cushion.
"I'll be glad to have Ryan [Braun] help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy." - Doug Melvin
by all4tookie on Aug 18, 2009 10:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Also have the second best playoff odds according to BP
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/ps_odds.php
Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!
by jd is legend on Aug 18, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cardinals very serious about Smoltz
“I can confirm that a call was made today,” Mozeliak said. “We’re looking at a number of options for our bullpen right now. It’s fair to say he is someone we have legitimate interest in.”
Cup Check
“I tell you what, I don’t take the team picture without wearing a cup,” said third baseman Mark DeRosa, who thought it “absurd” that a major-league infielder would put himself at such risk.
“My mind was made up in Atlanta one day. Rafael Furcal didn’t wear one. Then he got hit there by a line drive one day during batting practice. When we rolled him over he was blue” in the face.
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by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 18, 2009 10:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe the Cubs let DeRosa go
He’s everything I’ve wanted in a utility guy (even if we’ve made him into a starting 3B) and he’s pretty funny.
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by azruavatar on Aug 18, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They don't need DeRosa
They have Miles who can even play SS not like DeRosa
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 18, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought DeRosa did play a little SS with the Cubs?
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Aug 18, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What now, Aaron Miles???
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Aug 18, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, so it was like, 9 innings or something...
nevermind.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Aug 18, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
they’re SO happy with having Miles right now, check out BCB’s threads…it is to laugh.
There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Aug 18, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
when Colby is enthused by his funniness
He’s pretty funny.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's why he's always in a good mood
it’s the circle of life.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t believe the Cubs let DeRosa go
He’s everything I’ve wanted in a utility guy (even if we’ve made him into a starting 3B) and he’s pretty funny.
Jim Hendry’s off-season mission was to replace as many parts of his team as possible with slightly worse, otherwise identical players.
Kerry Wood (& Jose Ceda) becomes Kevin Gregg, Mark DeRosa becomes Aaron Miles….
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 19, 2009 5:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn, that musta hurt.
I’m suprised he didn’t throw up.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 18, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Strauss Twitter
""Cards working on Smoltz as 5th starter
Proud sponsor of the Official 2009 StL Cardinal theme song: Reason to Believe
by gocards62 on Aug 18, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ENGAGE DAVE DUNCAN MAGIC.
Shut up, Fritz™.
by Alxfritz on Aug 18, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he's moved from magic...
to outright deals with Satan. Magic doesn’t make Pineiro a top 10 starter.
Please take this comment in the spirit it was intended.
by guayzimi on Aug 18, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pegacorns Dude.
The guy who really needs to come back to earth is Julio Lugo. He flat-out sucks, or at least he did until he sold his soul at the foot of the Gateway Arch. by Not Bruce Froemming BCB
by RiverRat on Aug 18, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The horn of a pegacorn could theoretically be used for evil
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Aug 18, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
debbie downer
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That guy scared the shit out of me when I was a kid.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
by Eckstreem on Aug 18, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What exactly is he holding there?
looks like it takes D cells.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 18, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hee hee...
…he said D cells…
:=8)
I hate Jason Marquis!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Aug 18, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's a pegacorn horn
* SOBS UNCONTROLLABLY AT THE THOUGHT OF A HORNLESS PEGACORN *
by mojowo11 on Aug 18, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which is then just a lowly pegasus.
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
by Eckstreem on Aug 18, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
pegasus discrimination?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
PEAEC OUT WELLZMEYR
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Aug 18, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
PLZ
U AR TEH SUK
Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!
by jd is legend on Aug 18, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
5th starter with a move to the pen in the playoffs?
No more Wellemeyer? Could be a helluva lot worse. I wonder about the “beyond this year” means and how much that will cost.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 18, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That'd work for me
I love this move, high upside with what risk?
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Aug 18, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Red Sox cooties?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like that
Smoltz’s K/BB numbers are good and Busch III suppresses HR’s. Hell, leaving Fenway surpresses HRs! He’s shown difficulties w/ lefties and a second time through the order, but if he’s willing to pitch from the pen come playoffs and take Welle/Boggs’ starts in the meantime it sounds like a winner to me.
"I know how the numbers work. I know how OBP works. I know all the numbers that will never be printed in the newspaper. They're slowly working their way on to major league scoreboards. But, how the game really works, it's not what you see out there, and it’s not about short term emotions in games. It's numbers behind numbers… it's how the game works."--Brian Bannister
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 18, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now we know why Oquendo was such a good defender
From same P-D source as DeRosa quote….
“Third base coach Jose Oquendo never wore a cup during his 12-year major-league career. He insisted he went without even during a cameo behind the plate in 1988.
“I would guess about half the Latin guys don’t wear one. You don’t wear one growing up and you get here … it doesn’t feel comfortable,” Oquendo said. “I never gave it much thought. You just make sure you catch it.”
www.mpgillusion.com
by ncgostl on Aug 18, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
guess what happened to me the only time I didn't wear a cup behind the plate....
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Aug 18, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no hitter?
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Aug 18, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Na, but by the end of the game, only strikes had been thrown.
No balls
Cards, Colts, and Pacers - Baseball, football, and basketball or gambling, guns, and old cars?
by JPBarnett on Aug 18, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ba-ZING.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 19, 2009 5:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
These players need to get out of their mother's basements and PLAY THE GAME
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Aug 18, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
el oh el
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it called "flailing at the deuce"?
by olddomination on Aug 18, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nope: There and back again
"I'll be glad to have Ryan [Braun] help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy." - Doug Melvin
by all4tookie on Aug 18, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bilbo had that first...
I hate Jason Marquis!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Aug 18, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's probably owned by an adult German company
Shut up, Fritz™.
by Alxfritz on Aug 18, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Holliday has one too
I didn’t know Rick did.
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
by StLHugo on Aug 18, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That explains everything
From Ank’s Blog
Don’t forget about my charity wine benefiting Stray Rescue St Louis (strayrescue.org). Randy Grim, the director of Stray Rescue, just launched his latest book “Don’t Dump the Dog,” and my wife and I attended the VIP Party. We got to meet the staff from Best Friends Animal Society and the show Dog Town on the National Geographic Channel. They are great people doing great things for animals in need. It’s a great wine for a great charity.
No wonder why he is one of LaRussa’s favorites…
1 part Douchebag, 3 part Hipster!
by nomar34 on Aug 18, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The multiple levels on which that statement works are mind-boggling...
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 18, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a very bland blog
Positronic Upgraded Juggernaut Optimized for Logical Sabotage
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 18, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Welcome to every blog.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Aug 18, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pat Neshek's is pretty cool
if you’ve ever been – he’s pretty much the archetypical bullpen pitcher from what I can tell, pretty eccentric. He’s into collecting autographs and baseball cards and stuff, it’s mostly about that.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 19, 2009 5:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he just made a post on how...
you have to be careful with what you say to the media. I don’t think it’s going to be too cutting edge…
by Evilfrog on Aug 18, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jaime Garcia is going to get a start in Memphis
I guess we will find out how healthy he is in a hurry
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 18, 2009 10:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
FWIW
he’s looked dominant so far in his rehab, might as well give him a look. With Dennys struggling, having another lefty option in the bullpen this September wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world.
In short, I really like this move — no pussyfooting around with these guys, if they’re ready, they should be moving into situations that could help the ballclub.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Aug 18, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pumped about Jaime
[cross fingers]
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about Royce Ring?
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 18, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if you caught the rain delay radio programming on Sunday,
but, they asked Mo directly whether Garcia would be getting a September callup. Mo said something along the lines of a September callup being based on physical health and the ability to help the ballclub this year. Sort of a stock answer. This seems to suggest that the F.O. views Garcia as a possible compenent of the big-league club in September and (hopefully) October.
"I'm gonna throw the nastiest curveball I have ever thrown...if he hits it, I'll tip my cap, but if not we're going to the Series."
--Adam Wainwright on the final pitch of the 2006 NLCS
by bgh on Aug 18, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
can he be on Oct playoff roster
if he’s not here at the end of August?
"He ran hard, but he didn't run fast. He runs like he's mad at the ground." - opposing broadcaster describing Yadi's speed.
by TNTinCO on Aug 18, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If hes on the 60 day DL
I believe so.
The guy who really needs to come back to earth is Julio Lugo. He flat-out sucks, or at least he did until he sold his soul at the foot of the Gateway Arch. by Not Bruce Froemming BCB
by RiverRat on Aug 18, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh good.
Thanks for posting. I really should visit FR more, but it’s been hard since the Holliday deal.
Gregatron is not responsible for any of the crap he just wrote.
St. Louis vegetarian blog
by Gregatron on Aug 18, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hannah still can't effin say "Mozeliak"
I don’t know why that pisses me off. I’m sure not surprised.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 11:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
But she does greatly increase the scenery around Sportscenter since Suzy Kolber doesn’t do SC anymore…
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
by fourstick on Aug 18, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't envy her having to deal with Josh, though
Josh is like the blogger I hope I never become.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can Hannah Storm possibly be a real name?
That’s a superhero name.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Aug 18, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have two words for you
Trey Wingo
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wolf Blitzer
Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!
by jd is legend on Aug 18, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sage Steele really helps the scenery too.
by Ray Lankford on Aug 18, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
now there is a superhero name
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is getting weird
Maybe everyone on ESPN actually has super powers. You know how male superheros used to have really cheesy names? What name is more cheesy than Skip Bayless? And who is reportedly ripped as all get-out? Skip Bayless! “Buster” Olney? That sounds like a young sidekick name if I ever heard one. I think we’re on to something here.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Aug 18, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so they're the most incompetent super-heroes in the world?
Mike and Mike might be effective.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two live Stu's...it all makes sense.
Now if only someone knew photoshop…
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Aug 18, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Suzy kolber is a cutie...
;=8)
Broadway Joe sure thought so too!
I hate Jason Marquis!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Aug 18, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just wanna kiss you!!!
"I know how the numbers work. I know how OBP works. I know all the numbers that will never be printed in the newspaper. They're slowly working their way on to major league scoreboards. But, how the game really works, it's not what you see out there, and it’s not about short term emotions in games. It's numbers behind numbers… it's how the game works."--Brian Bannister
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 18, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate ESPN
They have just talked about Favre for 35mins so far on a show that lasts an hour
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Aug 18, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I figured something like that would happen, though I don't have ESPN
I heard a quick blurb on the radio today that some Vikings players were “certain” Farve would end up coming to camp and playing for them this year. It was a horrible thing to hear, because it just means another inevitable round of tiresome blather from the sports talking heads.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Aug 18, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It scrolled across the ESPN game broadcast
for 74 hours last night.
by sdrone on Aug 18, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
aaaannnd now they're covering the twitter reactions
scintillating reporting
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I cannot stand the NFL now
Essentially because I’ve been so burnt out on it after the last three years of 24/7/365 coverage on ESPN. The ESPN NFL personalities have all been so lame- Chris Berman, Tom Jackson, Sean Salisbury, Mark Schlereth, Ron Jaworski etc. etc.- and it’s not as though you ever get any insight. Just the same old stale “T.O.” “Favre” “Patriots cheating” shit every fucking day…IN JUNE. I think I’m going to see just what percent of SC programming is dedicated to the NFL.
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time... like tears in rain... Time to die.
by lunchboxbomb on Aug 18, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just don't watch espn
I think it’s been more interesting last year and this season, there’s no real clearcut best teams, except maybe the steelers
Positronic Upgraded Juggernaut Optimized for Logical Sabotage
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 18, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just don't watch espn
words to live by
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
by gdm426 on Aug 18, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sean Salisbury is the Nick Stavinoha of NFL analysts
A chair would literally be better than he is
Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!
by jd is legend on Aug 18, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The crappy thing was
He actually knew what he was talking about (some team offered him a QB coach job) he just got wrapped up in being a personality and not dissecting football.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Aug 18, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heard about that on the radio
while grillin’ up some sup. I looked to the sky and groaned to the high heavens.
Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.
by liam on Aug 18, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
aha, now I remember what I was looking for...
Atlanta Braves Friday, September 11 2009 7:15 PM
Atlanta Braves Saturday, September 12 2009 3:10 PM
Atlanta Braves Sunday, September 13 2009 1:15 PM
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 11:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why were you looking for that?
I’m going to be at the Saturday game
Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!
by jd is legend on Aug 18, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if they pick up Smoltz, that might be a mixed crowd
Maybe. This is Atlanta we’re talkin’ about.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's in St. Louis though
Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!
by jd is legend on Aug 18, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
that might be too much work for them
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I see what you were saying
Reading comprehension FAIL
Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!
by jd is legend on Aug 18, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll be at all three
Go every year with some friends from Fatlanta.
Guys like Bradley are exactly why we can't have a pumpkin patch anymore.
by liam on Aug 18, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's funny that True Blue
Is more impressed with Ankiel’s home run than we are.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 11:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
tomorrow is Matt Kemp bobblehead night
watch out, Adam. The Adventures of Lil’ Matt.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone else notice how good Yadi has been in August?
I was checking this weeks power rankings at ESPN and their blurb about the Cards is:
Catcher Yadier Molina is hitting .404 (19-for-47) in August.
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
by StLHugo on Aug 18, 2009 11:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
baserunning cancels it out
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and *that* is their blurb?
Nothing about Matt Holliday and his monstrous lego numbers?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holliday may have more power, but that is expected from him, Molina having a .455 OBP is not
Holliday: .383/.381/.683/1.064
Molina: .400/.455/.480/.935
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
by StLHugo on Aug 18, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
that’s kind of cool
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bad ISO-patience for Holliday, eh?
He fits right in with the team strategy. When in doubt, hack. When not in doubt, hack more.
"I know how the numbers work. I know how OBP works. I know all the numbers that will never be printed in the newspaper. They're slowly working their way on to major league scoreboards. But, how the game really works, it's not what you see out there, and it’s not about short term emotions in games. It's numbers behind numbers… it's how the game works."--Brian Bannister
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 18, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah batting coaches. what a luxury.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I mean it's not like they're supposed...
…to develop any kind of general game plan or anything. Then again, I guess that “be aggressive at strikes” is sort of a gameplan.
"I know how the numbers work. I know how OBP works. I know all the numbers that will never be printed in the newspaper. They're slowly working their way on to major league scoreboards. But, how the game really works, it's not what you see out there, and it’s not about short term emotions in games. It's numbers behind numbers… it's how the game works."--Brian Bannister
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 18, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They're "hitting" coaches, not "clogging the basepaths" coaches.
If you want to just stand there and not swing the bat and then walk to first base and clog up the basepaths, go get advice from someone else. If you want to hit, go to the hitting coach!
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Aug 18, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i really like "iso-patience" -- that may be the only stat I mentally calculate.
really, it’s just BB/9 expressed in a little different form. but for some players — duncan, thurston — it was interesting to follow.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Aug 18, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd assume it's just OBP - AVG
Correct?
Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!
by jd is legend on Aug 18, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
It’s just like ISO-power, which is SLG-AVG.
"I know how the numbers work. I know how OBP works. I know all the numbers that will never be printed in the newspaper. They're slowly working their way on to major league scoreboards. But, how the game really works, it's not what you see out there, and it’s not about short term emotions in games. It's numbers behind numbers… it's how the game works."--Brian Bannister
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 18, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotcha
I’ve never heard it called that, but I often look at a player’s AVG/OBP disparity to gauge walking ability
Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!
by jd is legend on Aug 18, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so
bb%
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Aug 18, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not BB%
It’s not quite BB%, which would be BB/PA.
The problem is that OBP and AVG have different denominators (PA vs. AB). The difference underestimates the actual walk rate of someone like Albert Pujols by a lot:
.450 – .330 = .12
his actual walk rate is .17 (B/PA = 88/515).
I have a post below that proposes a way to take the difference between OBP and AVG to estimate BB%. (OBP-AVG) * (1+OBP) does the trick pretty well.
www.mpgillusion.com
by ncgostl on Aug 18, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah, i see
tricky
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Aug 18, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One problem
There is a bit of a hitch with isolated patience, in that it doesn’t measure walk rate, but the reduction in out rate due to reaching base in ways other than hits.
For example, a burly slugger who hits for a low average (we’ll cal him Havin’ Funn) has 120 hits in 600 AB’s and draws 100 walks. That comes out to a .200 BA and a .314 OBP, or a .114 isolated patience. There is also a high average specialist (we’ll call him Not-Quite Youselis) has 180 hits in 600 AB’s and draws 100 walks as well. This nets him a .300 BA and a .400 OBP, or a .100 isolated patience. Does this mean that the masher is more “patient” than the singles guy? No, it just means that the big fella draws more of his total worth from his 100 walks than the spray-hitter.
I’m not trying to advocate one way or another (nor am I trying to make any connection to any existing players similar to Messrs. Funn & Youselis), I’m just trying to make note of a flaw in perceived definitions of the term.
Don't argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. - anon.
by Solanus on Aug 18, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how is holliday OBPing less than his average???
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 18, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is the fun part
OBP has PA as the denominator, which includes sacrifices. It can be lower than AVG.
www.mpgillusion.com
by ncgostl on Aug 18, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is the fun part
OBP has PA as the denominator, which includes sacrifices. It can be lower than AVG.
www.mpgillusion.com
by ncgostl on Aug 18, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A clearner ISO - patience
ISO power uses SLG-AVG, which have the same denominator (AB), so the interpretation is clean (it’s number of extra bases per at bat).
However, OBP and AVG have different denominators (PA vs. AB), so the interpretation is not clean, and the math is funky. For example, it underestimates the actual walk rate of someone like Albert Pujols by a lot:
.450 – .330 = .12
his actual walk rate is .17 (B/PA = 88/515).
Here’s a good approximation of walk rate (B/PA) using just OBP and AVG:
(OBP-AVG) * (1+OBP)
Applied to Albert:
.12 * 1.45 = .17. (Or, round things, and do .12 * 1.5 = .18)
This transformation holds across a wide range of OBP, AVG, and B/PA.
www.mpgillusion.com
by ncgostl on Aug 18, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want to say that they had used a Holliday blurb the past few weeks.
I get my “power rankings” mixed up though so it might not have been ESPN’s.
by Cardfanintherock on Aug 18, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just checked it...
and they had commented on Holliday’s numbers the past two weeks before. Guess they didn’t want to be redundant.
by Cardfanintherock on Aug 18, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the one that can't do power ranking blurbs is CBS
This is their one from last week:
It doesn’t look like they’ll be getting anything from Troy Glaus this season. Truth is, if Mark DeRosa stays healthy and productive and Khalil Greene stays chipper, they won’t really need him. Offense ain’t the problem here … As if everything else he does isn’t enough, Albert Pujols tended to an older fan who maimed himself while reaching for a foul ball. He’s Mother Teresa in cleats and a jock.
Can’t wait for this weeks to see how stupid it is.
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
by StLHugo on Aug 18, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is pretty bad
Sports Illustrated’s blurb is right there with it:
Shaquille O’Neal is taking on Albert Pujols as part of his new TV series, and the two giants will square off Thursday in a home run-hitting contest which will air on an as-yet-undetermined date. (Despite Pujols’ noted difficulties in this event, I still think he has the slight edge here.) O’Neal threw out the first pitch on Tuesday night and showed impressive form. On the list of first-pitches, it could have been much worse. It was even better than Kevin Garnett’s first-pitch from a few years ago. But it made me wonder: Why can’t baseball have an ambassador for the game like Shaq? Someone larger than life who brings a youthful exuberance to the game. Could Pujols be that guy? He’s already being looked at as the game’s Great Redeemer and brings comfort to the afflicted, so just add this to his list of things to do."
by Cardfanintherock on Aug 18, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Game's Great Redeemer=Baseball's White Knight?
does that mean Albert is Batman?
by Jhusk on Aug 18, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sssssshhhhhh
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw that one too...
had absolutely NOTHING to do with baseball. Thanks for the insight, douche.
by goodymobb on Aug 18, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ladies and Gentlemen,
For Yadi, that’s a rake. Hell, for anyone, that’s a rake.
by Oedipa Maas on Aug 18, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
does anyone feel like this season is like Larry Walker times 10?
The Cardinals had the rep before, but this year it’s ridiculous. Branded a malcontent? We need you to back us up. Stuck on a sucky team? Come on over! Trapped in a pitcher’s park? We have a spot for you. Let’s just hope the boat doesn’t tip over.
The Cards are like stray rescue.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 11:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Beats Joe Thurston getting regular PT
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Aug 18, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
amen
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why is that not green?
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
by gdm426 on Aug 18, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
still not green
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
by gdm426 on Aug 18, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's got 6 now
I think you have to reload the page to see the Glorious Green
by nota bene on Aug 18, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a grateful nation thanks you
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
by gdm426 on Aug 18, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmm,
maybe a mixture of Larry Walker, Cesar Cedeño, and Will Clark… and little Bo Hart sprinkled in for youth.
by _pistol_ on Aug 18, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking of Will Clark last night
Do you think anyone in the Cards clubhouse is yelling “GET ME A BEER ROOK” at Rasmus after games?
by sdrone on Aug 18, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
probably not...
Didn’t MLB ban beer in the clubhouse?
by goodymobb on Aug 18, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cards did at home
after the Hancock incident IIRC.
The guy who really needs to come back to earth is Julio Lugo. He flat-out sucks, or at least he did until he sold his soul at the foot of the Gateway Arch. by Not Bruce Froemming BCB
by RiverRat on Aug 18, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Colby's still carrying Albert's checkerboard, right?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, checkers?
"I know how the numbers work. I know how OBP works. I know all the numbers that will never be printed in the newspaper. They're slowly working their way on to major league scoreboards. But, how the game really works, it's not what you see out there, and it’s not about short term emotions in games. It's numbers behind numbers… it's how the game works."--Brian Bannister
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 18, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the pastoral life of a Cardinals rookie
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh
How about that. Also kind of cool that Rasmus played in the LLWS. I hope they didn’t go to White Castle for postgame meals.
"I know how the numbers work. I know how OBP works. I know all the numbers that will never be printed in the newspaper. They're slowly working their way on to major league scoreboards. But, how the game really works, it's not what you see out there, and it’s not about short term emotions in games. It's numbers behind numbers… it's how the game works."--Brian Bannister
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 18, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was before the diagnosis
Apparently the warm milk and cookies bested the Cheese.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Per 10@10 at the PD
Izzy and now Franklin are taking years off of TLR life span…..
If I live another five years beyond what I should, then three of those years are because of the stress relief of having Eck at closer. You’ve got guys on base, one of those situations where you can’t catch your breath, you’re sick, and how many minutes Eck took to clean that up added years to my life."
by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Aug 18, 2009 12:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Herron had major substance problem
Multiple offender and let’s leave it at that.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 18, 2009 12:25 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
when it come to substance abuse
I’ll take Keith Hernandez on his word.
by _pistol_ on Aug 18, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i recall erik saying something like "i found out what it was, not gonna share it, but it's appropriate
that he was dismissed." i forget if it was a comment at FR or on his tweets. but, yeah, it was clear he had a personal problem.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Aug 18, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT: I was just wondering if we get Smoltz,
and iF, not to provoke the GOBs, I do mean IF we do well this year, do we take up a collection for Theo? Nothing big you know, like a bottle of Asti and a Whitman’s sampler. I don’t wanna break the bank here.
by MaytheForschbewithyou on Aug 18, 2009 12:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sure, maybe after
he ships the damn trophy to St. Louis.
by sdrone on Aug 18, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you guys weren't watching the FSM feed...
I really wanna see this clip again — the starting pitchers swarming Carp to make fun of his uncharacteristic war-yell after walking off the mound. Pettini or maybe Barry was hovering around, grinning, like oh you kids.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 12:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
didn't see it
but i have it on the dvr. What inning was this?
by _pistol_ on Aug 18, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
awesome
Right after his last inning, they replayed something that happened during the commercial. It screwed up at first, because it was live and it was just Adam being goofy, then the truck got it right.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
can anyone download it/link to it?
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Aug 18, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
between the 8th and 9th
The guy who really needs to come back to earth is Julio Lugo. He flat-out sucks, or at least he did until he sold his soul at the foot of the Gateway Arch. by Not Bruce Froemming BCB
by RiverRat on Aug 18, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Off Topic
Why isn’t Waino starting tonight? Isn’t it his turn?
Also, how’s Holliday’s toe?
by Cedar Plank on Aug 18, 2009 12:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He pitched Friday
Only 3 days rest.
by olddomination on Aug 18, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
let's check
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I didn't realize they had released Holliday's medical records so soon.
"Baseball has been good to me since I quit trying to play it." - Whitey Herzog
by Bring Back Tommy Herr! on Aug 18, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they seem to be moving towards more transparency
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought they might've
thrown Boggs vs. the weird-ass knuckler and save Carp and Waino for the 2 “good starters.”
Still, I guess I like how the series started. Thank you, Chris Carpenter, for holding LA to only 2 runs.
by goodymobb on Aug 18, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought that myself
But then I realized that the unknown rookie starter usually is the toughest pitcher the Cardinals face
by olddomination on Aug 18, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is keeping Carp and Waino on regular rest
and moving Boggs around to make that works
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
by StLHugo on Aug 18, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
big toe
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TLR podcast on WWL.com
The guy who really needs to come back to earth is Julio Lugo. He flat-out sucks, or at least he did until he sold his soul at the foot of the Gateway Arch. by Not Bruce Froemming BCB
by RiverRat on Aug 18, 2009 1:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Rangers are close to re-acquiring Ivan Rodriguez
by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Aug 18, 2009 1:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
WTF are the Astros doing?
Are they acquiring Smoltz and going for it? Are they sellers? They obviously cannot make the playoffs this year. So why are Tejada and Valverde still on the roster?
Please take this comment in the spirit it was intended.
by guayzimi on Aug 18, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They always make a second half charge!
Because that of course is a repeatable skill and everything…
"I know how the numbers work. I know how OBP works. I know all the numbers that will never be printed in the newspaper. They're slowly working their way on to major league scoreboards. But, how the game really works, it's not what you see out there, and it’s not about short term emotions in games. It's numbers behind numbers… it's how the game works."--Brian Bannister
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 18, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's gonna happen!
They’re currently sitting near .500 (sorta) at 57-61. So, starting today, all they need to do is go unbeaten from here on out, for a record of 101-61, and all of a sudden they’re the best team in the league and have all sorts of momentum and are a lock for the pennant!
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Aug 18, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Noah Coslov of MLB.com
Reports: Astros agreed to trade Pudge to the Rangers for player to be named
by OKCARDSFAN_411 on Aug 18, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd personally rather have Salty than Pudge
Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!
by jd is legend on Aug 18, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
except Salty's on the DL
Proud sponsor of the Official 2009 StL Cardinal theme song: Reason to Believe
by gocards62 on Aug 18, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh really?
I did not know that.
Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!
by jd is legend on Aug 18, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Salty can't throw the ball back to the pitcher (some think it's a mental thing)
Rangers/Salty say it’s arm related or something.
by ICbirdfan on Aug 18, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
open door for Major League 2 jokes....
"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"
by rocKStark5 on Aug 18, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Veronica is wearing
a silk bra with supporting underwires….
/or something along those lines.
The guy who really needs to come back to earth is Julio Lugo. He flat-out sucks, or at least he did until he sold his soul at the foot of the Gateway Arch. by Not Bruce Froemming BCB
by RiverRat on Aug 18, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You.. have... no... marbles!
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Aug 18, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"MLB needs to curb macho culture that has taken root in today's game"
I…. what? …what?
w t f
What about laying down the law with the umps and the penalties guys who can’t get their suspensions straight? I guess if stuff starts happening back when they called it cricket, that must mean it’s taken root.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 1:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lulz.
This stuff NEVER happened before.
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
by il rosso on Aug 18, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
can you feel the outrage?
Of course he interviews Bengie, who is the most diplomatic guy in baseball and is perhaps not talking about what he thinks he’s talking about — then goes right back to the outrage. Fist!
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fist©
The guy who really needs to come back to earth is Julio Lugo. He flat-out sucks, or at least he did until he sold his soul at the foot of the Gateway Arch. by Not Bruce Froemming BCB
by RiverRat on Aug 18, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The shadow of the past holds the future hostage!
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
by il rosso on Aug 18, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Earl Weaver
heh
Positronic Upgraded Juggernaut Optimized for Logical Sabotage
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 18, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's curb that umpire who screams strike calls so loud while doing a dance
that I have to turn down the damn sound.
by sdrone on Aug 18, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I might be okay with umps
If they strived to be invisible umps.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Strike?
I'm dumb, she's a lesbian. I thought I had found the one.
We were good as married in my mind, but married in my mind's no good.
Pink triangle on her sleeve let me know the truth.
by thepainguy on Aug 18, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
man, Boog needs to *avenge*
“Brendan Ryan, Rafael Furcal … better than you in this play.” – WWL
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 1:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Avenge.
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
by il rosso on Aug 18, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's bad enough it made Top Ten, and was replayed 15 times already
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sportcenter live from LA
is almost as bad as the normal one, if only for the reason that it makes them slaver over LA as much as they do BOS and NY.
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
by il rosso on Aug 18, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
their play by plays are better, though
There’s a crapload of stupid yakking in the morning.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
better than
espnchicago.com or whatever
I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.
by madding on Aug 18, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what do they do over there, anyway?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Throw baseballs back onto the field
…while drinking Old Style and dodging tumbling blocks of cement.
"I know how the numbers work. I know how OBP works. I know all the numbers that will never be printed in the newspaper. They're slowly working their way on to major league scoreboards. But, how the game really works, it's not what you see out there, and it’s not about short term emotions in games. It's numbers behind numbers… it's how the game works."--Brian Bannister
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 18, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Nice, very nice.
I actually LOLed.
by cardsgirl95 on Aug 18, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Lambert...
designated for assignment by the Tigers.
Maroth with the Cards: 38 innings, 0-5, 10.66 ERA, 11 home runs allowed
Lambert w/ the Tigers: 27 innings, 1-3, 7.90 ERA, 6 home runs allowed
We didn’t lose that trade after all! It was a tie!
Please take this comment in the spirit it was intended.
by guayzimi on Aug 18, 2009 2:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Remember when Maroth dealt his first start here?
That was weird.
"I know how the numbers work. I know how OBP works. I know all the numbers that will never be printed in the newspaper. They're slowly working their way on to major league scoreboards. But, how the game really works, it's not what you see out there, and it’s not about short term emotions in games. It's numbers behind numbers… it's how the game works."--Brian Bannister
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 18, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i remember making the comment
“this is the 2nd coming of john tudor.”
by _pistol_ on Aug 18, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't it against the Mets?
He didn’t do half bad in that first start, if I remember…it was downhill fast after that
by olddomination on Aug 18, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
remember kip wells first start? i saw a press report that said "Dave Duncan has turned
Kip Wells into the new Chris Carpenter."
Umm, not quite.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Aug 18, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
*shakes head*
One start a miracle transformation does not make…
I’ll say this though: Wells had/has some pretty nasty stuff. Too bad he has no clue where it’s going and no idea how to pitch out of a jam.
"I know how the numbers work. I know how OBP works. I know all the numbers that will never be printed in the newspaper. They're slowly working their way on to major league scoreboards. But, how the game really works, it's not what you see out there, and it’s not about short term emotions in games. It's numbers behind numbers… it's how the game works."--Brian Bannister
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 18, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Carp when he could not lift his arm to comb his hair. . .
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
HL Mencken
by akaitori on Aug 18, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was really high on Maroth when we signed him
the times I’d seen him pitch for Detroit he always looked a solid, back-of-the-rotation guy. I’ve probably been wronger in my life, but I can’t remember when…
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 19, 2009 5:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Especially once we re-sign Lambert to a minor league deal later today!
Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!
by jd is legend on Aug 18, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't He Star....
…in that Highlander moovie??
;=8)
I hate Jason Marquis!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Aug 18, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope,
He won American Idol this year.
by Cardfanintherock on Aug 18, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question
Does anyone know if there is a way to change your screen name? I don’t like mine much…it’s kind of long and bulky. Did she say that? I don’t believe such a way exists.
"I know how the numbers work. I know how OBP works. I know all the numbers that will never be printed in the newspaper. They're slowly working their way on to major league scoreboards. But, how the game really works, it's not what you see out there, and it’s not about short term emotions in games. It's numbers behind numbers… it's how the game works."--Brian Bannister
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 18, 2009 2:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
create a new account
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Aug 18, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just created a new account
You can’t merge accounts either (or at least you couldn’t back in January when I did it). Just make sure you let everyone know what your old account name was.
Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!
by jd is legend on Aug 18, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was what I was afraid of...
"I know how the numbers work. I know how OBP works. I know all the numbers that will never be printed in the newspaper. They're slowly working their way on to major league scoreboards. But, how the game really works, it's not what you see out there, and it’s not about short term emotions in games. It's numbers behind numbers… it's how the game works."--Brian Bannister
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 18, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just keep your avatar
and make a sig that says “Formerly redbirdnation8206.”
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Aug 18, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your UID isn't that good anyway. ;)
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Aug 18, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah it's pretty horrible
I’m hurt that you mention this…I may weep b/c you hit me where it hurts.
"I know how the numbers work. I know how OBP works. I know all the numbers that will never be printed in the newspaper. They're slowly working their way on to major league scoreboards. But, how the game really works, it's not what you see out there, and it’s not about short term emotions in games. It's numbers behind numbers… it's how the game works."--Brian Bannister
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 18, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
UID snobs
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its definitely a thing because I have it
"I'll be glad to have Ryan [Braun] help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy." - Doug Melvin
by all4tookie on Aug 18, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
By the imaginary power bestowed upon me by the fact that I have a user ID under 1000
I hereby grant you an honorary user ID of 5429.
It’ll get you the discounts at local St. Louis grocery stores and such, but it won’t get you the diplomatic immunity.
by mojowo11 on Aug 18, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How generous.
I am now busy engraving “5429” on my own USB key to the intertubes.
"I'll be glad to have Ryan [Braun] help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy." - Doug Melvin
by all4tookie on Aug 18, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WHAT THE!?!?!
You can’t just give those things out, man!
Shut up, Fritz™.
by Alxfritz on Aug 18, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shut up, Fritz™.
Think you can boss me around with your low UID and whatnot. I’ll have none of it!
by mojowo11 on Aug 18, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its cute how you guys are fighting over me
It really is
"I'll be glad to have Ryan [Braun] help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy." - Doug Melvin
by all4tookie on Aug 18, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you create a new account you won't even GET a UID
Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!
by jd is legend on Aug 18, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whuuu
Not cool
"I know how the numbers work. I know how OBP works. I know all the numbers that will never be printed in the newspaper. They're slowly working their way on to major league scoreboards. But, how the game really works, it's not what you see out there, and it’s not about short term emotions in games. It's numbers behind numbers… it's how the game works."--Brian Bannister
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 18, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
whoa! how is redbirdnation going to keep from getting pregnant?
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Aug 18, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Someone
did say IUD in a thread. Not sure if it was intentional, but it was funny.
Besides, he can get a vasectomy.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Aug 18, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
didn't stop my brother from popping out
Positronic Upgraded Juggernaut Optimized for Logical Sabotage
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 18, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not knowing the details of
that story, I’d like to say that a lot of people aren’t careful for long enough after the procedure.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Aug 18, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my dad was probably one of those people
Positronic Upgraded Juggernaut Optimized for Logical Sabotage
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 18, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I admire your brother's tenacity
Never give up, never surrender!
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Aug 18, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that is his motto
Positronic Upgraded Juggernaut Optimized for Logical Sabotage
by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 18, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
IUD, SIS
Stay in schoool, ‘cause it’s the best
Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!
by jd is legend on Aug 18, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice peaches reference
"I think he's the best hitter of all time. I think there has never been a better hitter than him. And I know I didn't see them all, but I just don't think there could be." - Adam Wainwright on The Mang
by bmorgan on Aug 18, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
By not having a uterus?
"I know how the numbers work. I know how OBP works. I know all the numbers that will never be printed in the newspaper. They're slowly working their way on to major league scoreboards. But, how the game really works, it's not what you see out there, and it’s not about short term emotions in games. It's numbers behind numbers… it's how the game works."--Brian Bannister
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 18, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That usually works.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Aug 18, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One would hope....
"I know how the numbers work. I know how OBP works. I know all the numbers that will never be printed in the newspaper. They're slowly working their way on to major league scoreboards. But, how the game really works, it's not what you see out there, and it’s not about short term emotions in games. It's numbers behind numbers… it's how the game works."--Brian Bannister
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 18, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not Like Mine....
;=8)
I hate Jason Marquis!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Aug 18, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't have one that I can see.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Aug 18, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you don't keep your avatar
az has a plastic bag for you.
hehe.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh the avatar is going nowhere!
"I know how the numbers work. I know how OBP works. I know all the numbers that will never be printed in the newspaper. They're slowly working their way on to major league scoreboards. But, how the game really works, it's not what you see out there, and it’s not about short term emotions in games. It's numbers behind numbers… it's how the game works."--Brian Bannister
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 18, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I may tempt the robot one of these days...
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look out...
"I know how the numbers work. I know how OBP works. I know all the numbers that will never be printed in the newspaper. They're slowly working their way on to major league scoreboards. But, how the game really works, it's not what you see out there, and it’s not about short term emotions in games. It's numbers behind numbers… it's how the game works."--Brian Bannister
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 18, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dugmartsch changed theirs last night
confusion ensued
Future Redbirds - tracking Cardinal prospects for Cardinal Nation
by azruavatar on Aug 18, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
did you eliminate them?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Double pronoun-antecedent FAIL
Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!
by jd is legend on Aug 18, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
'them' is acceptable for unknown gender now
in certain circles. Perhaps this is not the circle.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'll def take it
easier than him/her
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Aug 18, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I don't like it
Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!
by jd is legend on Aug 18, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"very serious interest" in Smoltz
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 3:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So he's not going to be a starter, just 6th inning or later?
"I'll be glad to have Ryan [Braun] help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy." - Doug Melvin
by all4tookie on Aug 18, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's just bs from WWL
from an “official”
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha, guess my attempt at humor was a little vague
"I'll be glad to have Ryan [Braun] help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy." - Doug Melvin
by all4tookie on Aug 18, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's all good. am multitasking
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's do a minor league thing
Smoltz goes through the lineup once, then someone like Boggs takes over.
by sdrone on Aug 18, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Piggy back system?
"I know how the numbers work. I know how OBP works. I know all the numbers that will never be printed in the newspaper. They're slowly working their way on to major league scoreboards. But, how the game really works, it's not what you see out there, and it’s not about short term emotions in games. It's numbers behind numbers… it's how the game works."--Brian Bannister
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 18, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know this is off-subject, but it is about a certain Young Pitcher.
I know Perez seems to have righted his ship lately with Cleveland. I read about some rumor about how he has gone back to his old pitching style. Apparently he likes to throw his fastball and slider at slightly different arm angles, and Dunc had tried to make him throw both pitches from the same slot.
Anecdotally, I’d like to side with Dave on this one, but I’m no expert and I want your opinion. Wouldn’t clubs be able to recognize these different arm angles on video and train their hitters to look for that? I know in the short term it may be more effective, but shouldn’t hitters eventually pick up on this trait?
Baseball's only fun if you're playing it, watching it, or thinking about it.
by Eckstreem on Aug 18, 2009 3:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Az
said that Pitch f/x indicates his slot hasn’t changed. I don’t know what to make of Perez’s improvements.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Aug 18, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is throwing harder since moving to CLE.
When I looked at the release point graphs I saw two different blobs for his two pitches. He may not have changed anything but may not just have put it out of his mind and gone back to what he used to do.
Bottom line is his velocity is up and walks are down.
As to “arm slot” a lot of very good pitchers have varied arm slots.
by DriverZn on Aug 18, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't they try to normalize his angle because they thought he was tipping pitches?
In the first place
by olddomination on Aug 18, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Generally, if you're going to have a problem with tipping, it's going to be sooner on in the delivery
By the time the pitcher gets to his release point, you’re mostly in react mode.
This might make a difference if you’re talking about a major arm slot difference (e.g. sidearm versus high 3/4) because you have to start setting the arm slot at the high-cocked position, which gives you some time to act on the information.
However, if the difference is just between 3/4 and high 3/4, and the pitcher is a hard thrower, it’s going to be hard for a batter to do anything with the information.
I'm dumb, she's a lesbian. I thought I had found the one.
We were good as married in my mind, but married in my mind's no good.
Pink triangle on her sleeve let me know the truth.
by thepainguy on Aug 18, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember that Ryan Dempster's problem occured when he was setting his grip and before he broke his hands
That gave the hitter lots of time to process the information and to act on it.
That then lead to Dempster’s funky swiveling glove move as he set his grip.
I'm dumb, she's a lesbian. I thought I had found the one.
We were good as married in my mind, but married in my mind's no good.
Pink triangle on her sleeve let me know the truth.
by thepainguy on Aug 18, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
The mechanics behind getting to a high 3/4 is going to look significantly different than the mechanics behind getting to 3/4, especially if you get used to seeing a pitcher more than a couple times.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Aug 18, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT:
Trying to watch yesterday’s condensed game on MLB.tv. It’s not loading. Has anyone else had issues/success with MLB video today?
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Aug 18, 2009 4:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yes
I tried to watch the Ankiel home run on the cards site, and it wouldn’t load
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 18, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that video was locking up Firefox this morning
the others seemed to work OK.
by sdrone on Aug 18, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
does that mean it was a mirage?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 18, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
alas, my chronic malady
"I'll be glad to have Ryan [Braun] help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy." - Doug Melvin
by all4tookie on Aug 18, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome overload
Quite common of late.
I'm dumb, she's a lesbian. I thought I had found the one.
We were good as married in my mind, but married in my mind's no good.
Pink triangle on her sleeve let me know the truth.
by thepainguy on Aug 18, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Try it now, it's working in IE
There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Aug 18, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
DeRo
Is apparently supposed to be on Jim Rome is Burning tomorrow. Only way I’d ever watch that show.
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time... like tears in rain... Time to die.
by lunchboxbomb on Aug 18, 2009 4:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
sounds like it could be interesting
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 18, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
God I hope Jim Rome insults his masculinity
Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!
by jd is legend on Aug 18, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jim Rome sucks harder than my vacuum cleaner
Jim Everett punching him still remains one of my all-time favorite TV moments.
by nota bene on Aug 18, 2009 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aaron Miles spills all our secrets!
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 5:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I feel a little bad for him
I really think leaving STL took something out of him. Not necessarily as a player, but as a person. All the interviews I hear seem kind of mournful or something.
"I know how the numbers work. I know how OBP works. I know all the numbers that will never be printed in the newspaper. They're slowly working their way on to major league scoreboards. But, how the game really works, it's not what you see out there, and it’s not about short term emotions in games. It's numbers behind numbers… it's how the game works."--Brian Bannister
by redbirdnation8206 on Aug 18, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you'd be bummed out too
if you went from playing in a lineup with Albert Pujols to one with head cases like Sori & Game Board.
by nota bene on Aug 18, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Miles
now I am hungry…..
like the St Louis front office.
by cdb on Aug 18, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How dare he compare playing in front of Cardinals fans to playing in front of Cubs fans
In one park, you get applauded for making an excellent defensive play, even if you’re on the other team.
In the other park, you get beer dumped on you trying to catch a fly ball.
Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!
by jd is legend on Aug 18, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
then throw your friend under the bus for it & laugh as he gets thrown out
then run your douchebag mouth all over town that night bragging about what you did
only to turn yourself in wearing a knock off affliction shirt after a blog outs your true identity to the world
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by gdm426 on Aug 18, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What ever happened to that douche-head?
Testicle-exploding shit storm, circa 7/12/08 - We will never forget!
by bjork24 on Aug 18, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sweeeeeeet avatar
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 18, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
Testicle-exploding shit storm, circa 7/12/08 - We will never forget!
by bjork24 on Aug 18, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Aug 18, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
is it shooped?
colors are really rich
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Aug 18, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't know
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by gdm426 on Aug 18, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what
he can spill all the secrets he wants as long as he hits .182/.220/.245
No excuses. No injuries. No "better luck next time"
Do it, and shut the f—- up.
-Reggie Jackson
by stlwcards on Aug 18, 2009 5:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was being facetious
And yes. His role as a double agent is working out well.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I noticed just
love to point out that batting line, and btw reply fail(for me), just noticed that
No excuses. No injuries. No "better luck next time"
Do it, and shut the f—- up.
-Reggie Jackson
by stlwcards on Aug 18, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
developments at the Smoltz thread
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2009/8/18/993394/john-smoltz
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 6:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
what the hell is wrong with SBNation?
it hasn’t worked all day & i was only able to get on like 45min ago. the site is all f’ed up. please don’t tell me i’m the only one having problems. i’m not crazy. i swear, i’m not crazy.
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by gdm426 on Aug 18, 2009 6:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
it was screwing with my browser yesterday
and I got a 504 this morning
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i couldn't even get on SBNations main page till 45min ago
it’s not just viva, it’s their entire network. i kept getting their “we are aware there is a problem & we are working on it. please try again later” message.
and i was having problems yesterday too yadi2.
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by gdm426 on Aug 18, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh i can guess what's happening
Brett Favre is breaking the internetz.
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's so retarded.
Why would you say no and then say yes a couple weeks later? What does that tell your coach and team mates? hates NFL football
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
by il rosso on Aug 18, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no to defend that diva, but didn't their starting QB get hurt?
leave it to that attention whore to fuck up the intertubes.
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by gdm426 on Aug 18, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's really weird.
The only problem I’ve had recently is sometimes the page would load twice on me and then none of the new comments would be marked as new. That was annoying but not completely debilitating. Sorry gdm.
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
by il rosso on Aug 18, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, that was yesterday's problem for me
It was a pain past 500 comments…
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last night was insane.....
I could barely keep up with posts….seemed like none would load, and then Bam…dump 20 comments on me. May have just been the fact that there was a lot of activity though.
The guy who really needs to come back to earth is Julio Lugo. He flat-out sucks, or at least he did until he sold his soul at the foot of the Gateway Arch. by Not Bruce Froemming BCB
by RiverRat on Aug 18, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was reading through them at around 3am,
and it was absolutely CRAXXY on here last night! There were like 20 comments every minute, completely tangential conversations being carried on while the game was going, and about 50 people guessing who played the 2nd most 3B innings at once. It was awesome.
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
by il rosso on Aug 18, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ya....it was like the interwebs on crack.
The fact that the game started well after I began in on my Franklins may have something to do with the fact that I couldn’t keep anything straight. Seemed like a lot of Reply FAILS thrown in there as well.
The guy who really needs to come back to earth is Julio Lugo. He flat-out sucks, or at least he did until he sold his soul at the foot of the Gateway Arch. by Not Bruce Froemming BCB
by RiverRat on Aug 18, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want that to happen when I can get on
sometime. [caps lock engage] CALL ALL YOUR FRIENDS TONITE, PEEPLE!
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
by il rosso on Aug 18, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's a damn good thing this place has auto-reload
I’ve been on boards with no such thing.
Meanwhile… this shouldn’t amuse me so much, right?
http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2009/8/8/982567/big-mistake-letting-marquis-go
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol.
Marquis seems to have been pretty lucky to this season, but his FIP is pretty low this season compared to previous years and his BABIP is in the 280s I believe. Whatever.
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
by il rosso on Aug 18, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Comeback player of the year?
Ever heard of Carp?
No excuses. No injuries. No "better luck next time"
Do it, and shut the f—- up.
-Reggie Jackson
by stlwcards on Aug 18, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No...it should.
Actually I’m surprised there were no “What are we gonna do without Betty” threads around here after he left.
Also, I was looking for her BR page and nothing comes up. Am I misspelling Betty?
The guy who really needs to come back to earth is Julio Lugo. He flat-out sucks, or at least he did until he sold his soul at the foot of the Gateway Arch. by Not Bruce Froemming BCB
by RiverRat on Aug 18, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yesterday & still now when i hit post
nothing happens for about a minute, then it will post.
i just got the message again when i came back after checking the PD’s site.
FUCK YOU BERT FARVA
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by gdm426 on Aug 18, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Favre.
It’s Favre. I’ve always held the belief that if your name is spelled F-A-V-R-E and pronounced F-A-R-V, you are untrustworthy.
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
by il rosso on Aug 18, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a comment
about his nonsensical name, not your spelling of it.
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
by il rosso on Aug 18, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You want me to punch-a-size your face for free?
Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!
by jd is legend on Aug 18, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been accessing it fine
all day. shrugs Different strokes for different folks.
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
by il rosso on Aug 18, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Been working fine for me all day, too.
BTW, an interesting post from BBS on Smoltz’s year with good graphics and an admission of the small sample problem:
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/8/18/994008/john-smoltz-whats-left-in-the-tank
"I throw him four wide ones then try to pick him off first base." - Preacher Roe on Musial
by vico on Aug 18, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
cool
no moar fastballs, perhaps.
Maybe post it to the John Smoltz thread over yonder in the fanposts?
"It was like two ankles." AVENGE BOOG
"But listen, and understand: more Molinas are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear." - THT
by Yadi2Second on Aug 18, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hahaha.
2009 slider: less sluttery than the 2007 & 2008 version.
I think the problem has been identified.
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
by il rosso on Aug 18, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So a woman of questionable morality
who walks the streets wearing sensible shoes and a frumpy pantsuit also would be less sluttery?
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 18, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A real argument from a Baby Bear
Regarding using Marmol over Guzman as their new mopup guy closer:
I’ve seen a convincing argument that a inconsistent but potentially lights out pitcher is actually better for high leverage situations because his blow ups lose you games that were almost 50-50 splits, instead of costing you games you should have had in hand.
Am I missing something, or is this just more delusion?
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by JPBarnett on Aug 18, 2009 6:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that sounds like a good argument
for Marmol over Gregg, but not Marmol over someone decent.
I have a love/hate relationship with the Cardinals' middle relief corps.
by madding on Aug 18, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That reads like something
used to argue last year the use of Franklin over Isringhausen. Or Perez over Isringhausen.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 18, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MLB TV is takling about batter pitcher matchups
MGL must be having a heart attack.
SIGN JOHN SMOLTZ
by vivaelpujols on Aug 18, 2009 6:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I finally got to watch the Ankiel home run
he really jacked it
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 18, 2009 7:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that dong never had a chance
"Ludwick, I could kiss you on the nuts!" - the red baron 7-29-09
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
by mattyfrommo on Aug 18, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
very true
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 18, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1. Schumaker 2B2. Ryan SS3. Pujols 1B4. Hol...liday LF5. Ludwick RF6. Ankiel CF7. Greene 3B8. LaRue C9.
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 18, 2009 7:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that's a very gritty 1-2 there
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 18, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Greene LaRue and Ankiel???
Sun is getting to Tony.
by Evilfrog on Aug 18, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Greene is something like 19-20 against Billingsley
He had decided to live forever, or to die in the attempt
by slash2049 on Aug 18, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that works
plus he’s gotta play sometime, right?
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 18, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
PREDICTIVE!!!!!
SIGN JOHN SMOLTZ
by vivaelpujols on Aug 18, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if Greene really was 19-20...damn right it'd be predictive.
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 18, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alas he's 7/12 with 1 bomb and 3 Ks
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Aug 18, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So it wasn't just 'the knuckleball' excuse for Colby
Tony really is full of shit.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 18, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously
I was giving Tony the benefit of the doubt last night, but this is inexcusable. He is pretty much talking out of his ass with his lineup reasoning. Absolutely ridiculous. Ankiel hit a home run last night. Good for him. Guess he is now the “hot hand”, so there is no way we can sit him. What a hypocrite
by ChicagoRedBird on Aug 18, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't believe a word he says
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by Cards Fan in Chitown on Aug 18, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Think Stav hit one for Memphis recently. He'll be up any day now. . . . Green due for a relapse
An optimist is a man who upon discovering that a rose smells better than a cabbage concludes it will make better soup.
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by akaitori on Aug 18, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What does today have to do with yesterday?
Answer: Nothing.
There are 3 things the average man thinks he can do better than everybody else: build a fire, run a motel, and manage a baseball team.
-- Rocky Bridges
by SoonerfanTU on Aug 18, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that
is a pretty ignorant way of looking at anything. baseball lineups included
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Aug 18, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If yesterday has nothing to do with today
Then why the hell is Ankiel playing?
by ChicagoRedBird on Aug 18, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs