SHELBY MILLER IS A CARDINAL!
by tom s. on Aug 17, 2009 4:07 PM EDT
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The long awaited moment, via tweet (courtesy matt leach)
RT @JonathanMayoB3 Source tells me Shelby Miller has indeed agreed to terms with #stlards. No. 19 pick in #mlbdraft will indeed get $2.9 mil2 minutes ago from web
That's a little more than twice the slot. It's an exciting time to be a cards fan. The team had a very good draft this year. They signed a higher-ceiling pitcher than I can remember. They paid large sums for Wagner Mateo, as well.
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good news
it will be fun to follow his progress next year
apparently, he won’t be pitching for an affiliate this summer/fall
My first memory of Cardinals baseball is seeing Darrell Porter jump into Bruce Sutter's arms on October 20, 1982!
by 82Special on Aug 17, 2009 4:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is less than the reported 3 and a quarter million I was expecting
The Haze is pleased
by purple_haze on Aug 17, 2009 4:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So is the hazel
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Aug 17, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hah...
what a tool! What happened to $4 million or I’m an Aggie!? Get a new agent buddy… No one believed you were ever going to spend a year in the armpit of Texas over a few hundred grand.
Please take this comment in the spirit it was intended.
by guayzimi on Aug 17, 2009 4:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
well if he would have started with..
“$2.9 million or I’m an Aggie…” he would have only got 1.8 Million.
I’m glad Mo was able to sign the pick and pay less than I was expecting him to.
by Evilfrog on Aug 17, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We paid top 5 money for a top 5 talent (?)...
Baseball is the only major sport where you can essentially decide what number draft pick you want.
Please take this comment in the spirit it was intended.
by guayzimi on Aug 17, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If anybody ever got exactly
what they negotiated for initially, then they probably lowballed themselves. All that matters is that it got done.
Let’s hope the finished product ends up closer to his ceiling than his floor. We’ve definitely got something to dream about again at the very least.
by Merry CRasmus on Aug 17, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even Boras doesn't get the number he starts with.
$2.9M is significantly more than he was going to make as an Aggie. His value is so high now, that he and his agent both know there are a lot more ways for his value to go down between now and his junior year than go up. He signed at twice the slot value, and now he has the opportunity to start his earning power 3 years earlier. This is a smart move for him.
by etp_stl on Aug 17, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't call our new stud prospect a tool!
“Shelby, enjoy some of this delicious pie!”
Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!
by jd is legend on Aug 17, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
With Shelby in the ranks, what's our top 10?
My quick stab:
1. Jaime Garcia
2. Shelby Miller
3. Daryl Jones
4. Wagner Mateo
5. Eduardo Sanchez
6. Daniel Delasco
7. David Freese
8. Blake Hawksworth (qualify?)
9. Joe Mather (qualify?)
10. Brian Anderson (injury push him out?)
This was off the top of my head, but I think Garcia’s proximity to the Majors plus potential gives him a slight nod, imo. Also, not sure if Shelby should be 2, 3, or 4. An argument can be made either way.
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Aug 17, 2009 4:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
number 1
Because Garcia will start next year and not be a prospect?
by Evilfrog on Aug 17, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed, but I figured since he still hasn't "made it"
he deserves the top spot.
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Aug 17, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a pretty promising
prospect pool from slots one through six.
by Michael_68_1999 on Aug 17, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the "bottom" could be interchanged easily
Plus, Kozma, T. Greene, Craig…there’s lots of parts to float in and out
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Aug 17, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
shouldn't scott gorgen be included in this list?
He has been moving along quickly and he is striking out batters at a nice rate.
And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.
by CodyG on Aug 18, 2009 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gorgen ain't near the top 10 yet.
Maybe scraping into the 20.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 18, 2009 4:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Freese is also very underrated
Thanks
by vivaelpujols on Aug 22, 2009 6:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget about Stock...
Please take this comment in the spirit it was intended.
by guayzimi on Aug 17, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depending on how Garcia does in Memphis
his next few starts I think he may push himself up into the #1 discussions but right now I think Miller has that spot and probably won’t pitch the rest of the year so he won’t be “losing” it.
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
by StLHugo on Aug 17, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lance lynn belongs in the top 5.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Aug 17, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
all apologies to Lance Lynn
totally agree. I could see him anywhere from spots 4-8.
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Aug 17, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And how could I have forgotten about
Fransisco Samuel?
Stupid Sexy Flanders!!!
by timmycardinals on Aug 17, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Samuel's having a rough year and is barely marginal as a prospect IMO
dunno if his control will ever materialise.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 18, 2009 4:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Delasco=Descalso?
There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Aug 17, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that is a funny
mistake to me – because that misspelling is EXACTLY as I had pronouced the name in my head for months reading the DFRs at FR.
by cdb on Aug 17, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was spelled "Decalsco" for a long time.
Albert Pujols does not have "down" years. He has "~6 WAR" years.
by mattybobo on Aug 17, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
there's a man destined to be the cody ramos of 2010.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Aug 17, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some form of "calypso" springs to mind.
There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Aug 17, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
David D. Calypso?
Donald Dos Passos?
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Aug 17, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Mather,Hawksworth,Freese, shouldn't be on there IMO.
Mather(too old now I think)
Hawksworth (I think he won’t qualify anymore)
Freese(Too old again he’ll be 27 next year)
And now a scene from seinfeld
ELAINE: [mind] Who does this guy think he is?
KEITH: [mind] I'm Keith Hernandez.
by CodyG on Aug 17, 2009 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hawk qualifies as of today.
He’s like 1 inning off, however.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Aug 18, 2009 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd go for the following:
1: Jones (still)
2: Descalso (despite rough few weeks at AAA, I’m still a believer)
3: Garcia
4: Miller
5: Lynn
6: Craig (MLB-ready bat, probably low-ish ceiling but he’s a legit top 10er in my opinion)
7: Henley
8: Freese
9: Stock
10: Sanchez (Eduardo)
I didn’t include Boggs or Hawksworth due to the fact they’re playing significant roles with the MLB team; both would probably be around about #10 if they weren’t (I like Sanchez but relievers aren’t worth a great deal and they do have a high flame-out rate, so I’m not hugely comfortable with him at #10).
Mather shouldn’t be near any top 10 lists until he’s proven his career isn’t over, IMO. I’m also a bit antsy on Freese, given his age, but with our relative lack of minor league talent (at least until some of this year’s picks come on a bit) a guy who’s probably a 1-2 win 3B at MLB level probably makes the top 10.
I disagree with any list that includes Wagner Mateo in the top 10. Even in a talent-starved system, I’m just not sure I consider a 16 year-old who’s barely taken a hack in pro ball and who won’t be in the majors for 6+ years to be a prospect. I’d say he’s got a very good CHANCE of becoming a top prospect – a prospect-prospect if you will.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 18, 2009 4:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Craig doesn't crack your Top 10?
Really? o.O
by JWO on Aug 18, 2009 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
$2.9mn is a coup...
… the Cards have now signed every single pick, right? that, plus Mateo, equals a good season for the re-construction of the farm.
by kindred on Aug 17, 2009 4:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
not every pick
but I think all the top picks
"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."
by StLHugo on Aug 17, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1-15 - signed every one. we haven't signed 16 or 22, then another 5 or so late picks.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Aug 17, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that is AWESOME.
Exactly what we needed, especially after we jettisoned most of our top prospects.
by mopack on Aug 17, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fyi
not updated in the last hour, but otherwise accurate.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Aug 17, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, if the other 7 on that list don't sign by 12 a.m. tonight
then we won’t sign them at all, yes? Or is it just the first rounders? I kept looking for Mateo on that list, until I recalled he was a 16-year old free agent (who we signed for more than Miller).
There was Gibson in the Reds' dugout, visibly manhandling about three Reds and tossing them bodily out of the dugout and onto the field...He was the toughest athlete mentally I ever saw, and the greatest competitor. JACK BUCK
by ISawGodInGibby'sRightArm on Aug 17, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome.
In my opinion, they handled this year’s draft really well. 1-15 signed now. Awesome.
The first thing that a pitcher has to understand is that Albert is better than you.-- Jim Palmer
by il rosso on Aug 17, 2009 4:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice
Miller and Mateo help make up for losing Wallace, IMO. Have a chance to grab some guys next year with the arby picks as well.
There are 3 things the average man thinks he can do better than everybody else: build a fire, run a motel, and manage a baseball team.
-- Rocky Bridges
by SoonerfanTU on Aug 17, 2009 4:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah I can't wait for next year's draft
I’m hoping we have at least one extra first rounder and two extra supplementals, maybe plus an extra 2nd rounder. Fingers crossed…
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 18, 2009 4:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
has this been confirmed by someone who works for the Cards?
no offense to this mayo character, but the only mayo i trust is the one i put on my sammich’s
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
by gdm426 on Aug 17, 2009 4:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
WOOHOO!!!
:=8D
I hate Jason Marquis!
:=8O
by The MooCow on Aug 17, 2009 7:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
when is mateo going to be playing in the minors?
anybody know?
by Jombari on Aug 17, 2009 10:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
btw I voted "a dud"
simply because (statistically speaking) that’s by far the likeliest ultimate result of drafting a high-ceiling, low-floor, rough-around-the-edges college pitcher. The very fact that he has a CHANCE of being an ace makes him better than pretty much every pitching prospect we’ve drafted in recent years, but by far the likeliest result is that he won’t end up doing anything in the majors.
/Debbie Downer.
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 18, 2009 4:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
miller drafted out of high school
Of course, hope means being cut down on some street corner, as you run like mad, by a random bullet.
by prophetjohn on Aug 18, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry yeah
i meant high school. Typo because I was discussing a college pitcher in another thread somewhere else…. Confusing stuff, this internets….
Felonius Monk - bitching to contact since 2008
by Felonius_Monk on Aug 18, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the honest part of me said i needed to put the first two choices in there.
the optimistic/cardinal homer part made me vote “Ace.”
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Aug 18, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't vote because
there wasn’t a tempered, reasonable choice.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Aug 18, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like, "An effective big league pitcher, but not a world-beater."
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Aug 18, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, if i were doing it over again, i'd have something in there like
“a #4 starter-type, effectively wild fireballer”.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Aug 18, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
where is the "trade bait for a rental" option?
pretzels pretzels pretzels pretzels
by gdm426 on Aug 18, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
waltjocketty.com
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Aug 18, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And for that I would've voted.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Aug 18, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like,
“Todd Wellemeyer, 2008 version.”
/just threw up a little in my mouth
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 18, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's not effective.
So, there’s that.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Aug 18, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait...wasn't Corporal Welley "effective" last year?
by Willie McGee's Twin on Aug 18, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't understand what
point you’re trying to make.
The options are “Dud,” “Injury Victim,” “Reliever,” and “Ace.” I didn’t vote for those because there is no grey area (except that most pitchers end up injury victims). What’s wrong with hoping Miller is at least an effective major league pitcher?
If you want to talk about Wellemeyer, or discuss the meaning of effective, go right ahead.
"If I prepare myself, my stuff is good and I'm going to get outs. That is a fact." - Chris Carpenter
by spants on Aug 18, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't vote out of fear of jinxing
Chlorophyll? More like borophyll!
by jd is legend on Aug 18, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where's the Chris Lambert clone option?
Man, with this outfield, need to get rid of that Rasmus, no Ankiel, wait no, Rasmus wait...uhhhh
by Taskmaster on Aug 18, 2009 9:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that would be the one spelled D-U-D.
the truth can't hurt you, it's just like the dark/ it scares you witless, but in time you see things clear and stark -- macmanus
by tom s. on Aug 18, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's an entirely different situation than Lambert
or were you just trying to be funny?
by dcfcblues on Aug 19, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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